The endless nasty tweets, which have gone on for weeks now, include ones calling her a "retarded Maria" and a "bimbo," tweets blasting her acting ("she can't act her way out of a brown paper package tied up with string"), and photos comparing her acting coach to a wooden board. One tweet even asked for a moment of silence for the children whose first experience with The Sound of Music is with Underwood. Some tweets are funny, while others sound frightening. Underwood has even reportedly received death threats.
Underwood's response to all the hate? A mature and matter-of-fact, "I know I'm not Julie. I know my place."
Carrie is no Julie Andrews that's for sure, but she is a mature adult who knows how to deal with Twitter hate in an appropriate manner. Refreshing.
As for Julie Andrews, she gave her blessing to Underwood, but indicated a live show would be difficult. "She's lovely and I'm a fan," Andrews said.
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Here it is, lots of information, honestly I found it exciting.
http://wesa.fm/post/making-child-abuse-easier-define-pennsylvania
Have a great day.
PA Dutch, local, and County, hope you're staying in today! Although today's snow looks much prettier and less treacherous, I'm not taking any chances!
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The Pennsylvania Senate will be voting on legislation this week to overhaul the state's child abuse laws. It is firmly believed after debate on wording only, these bills will pass. Truly a good feeling.
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Glad to see PA is tightening the state's child abuse laws. They need to be tightened if hitting your child with a wooden spoon, throwing your child into is crib and literally picking up a 2-year old by the hair does not result in some sort of action involving the offending parent.
Was it lukebandit that brought up Alaska and Mady??
I really wonder about the veracity of these reports because I tend to think there's some merit.
I remember the Nat. Enquirer reported on Kate's diva behavior in Alaska, including her storming off due to the camping conditions and lack of facilities.
That, as it turns out, was completely true. Kate's behavior- what was shown on film- was jaw dropping to say the least.
There were also reports of Mady acting up and Kate becoming physical with her. I didn't know whether or not to believe it was *that* bad until I saw Mady in the photos, obviously crying really hard.
Then, I read Robert's account of accompanying Jon to the compound the evening before Kate was to take the kids to film in Alaska, to get Mady and have her stay with him because she really, really, really did not want to go.
Kate told Jon to leave and that Mady was just in a mood, and she'd get over it. Kate further told Jon that if he showed up the next morning to get Mady, she'd have him arrested.
But, of course, if anyone at any time doesn't want to film, they don't film, right??
I also remember reading reports about Kate and Steve taking off for a couple days while in Alaska, leaving the kids with the babysitter and "Mr. Chocolate".
I don't know... something tells me Mady was aware of Kate's and Steve's relationship, and experienced first hand, their taking off to be together when filming away, over days and days.
I think she knew what was coming in Alaska and didn't want to go through it.
Mady also accompanied Kate and Steve to San Diego years ago, under the guise that this was all about Mady time, but there were reports of Kate and Steve being way to close for comfort.
My guess is that taking Mady was a ruse.
The girl has turned out to be wiser than her years.
Admin-Keiko was held for a number of years at the Newport Aquarium in Oregon. We took our children to see him.
They built a special tank for him. It was a below the water line viewing situation, like an aquarium shark tank. No above water contact with humans except for his handlers as I recall.
Obviously not the ideal situation, which would have been to leave him in the wild in the first place. His history was a sad one for sure (shades of The Dionne girls?)but I recall being fascinated watching him.
They are truly spectacularly beautiful animals.
I also remember reading reports about Kate and Steve taking off for a couple days while in Alaska, leaving the kids with the babysitter and "Mr. Chocolate".
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I tend to believe most of the Alaska reports were true because of the corroboration of most of them. I do believe the reports the kids were left with the nanny for a few days, because I remember there were even pap photos of the kids and nanny with no Kate or Steve in sight.
Totally off topic, but wanted to share that my 24 yr daughter competed and completed her first 13.1 mile marathon this past weekend with a time of 2:26! Of course her doing this prompted me to ask how she felt immediately afterwards... And her response? She could hardly stand upright, her hips and joints were killing her. She said the night of the marathon she was sitting on a couch and her friends had to help her move. She is still experiencing joint pain, especially in the ankles and hips. Her training for almost one yr was to run 3-5 miles a day. No mind you, she is young and super skinny, and as she lost weight we were shocked her boobs didn't inflate to triple d's but instead virtually disappeared! I share all this to further disapprove wos's claim of being a marathon runner. If my healthy 24 yr daughter that has been training all this time has suffered this much afterwards, there ain't no way kk ran a marathon. I would have asked my daughter if she wore heels after the run but she would have thought i was nuts. Lol
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy836m
A wonderful snow day 2day!I enjoy watching it from my kitchen windows while I cook up my own storm! #kidsloveit2 pic.twitter.com/fGCvwOQYJ9
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Might have been a lovely picture had she not taken it through the screen.
And she's shared another bird pic--because, you know, you can never see too many pics of her bird. She'll be tweeting up a storm today since the kids have a snow day from school.
Thanks for the info about the Pennsylvania child abuse law revisions. I hope when TFMJG thinks twice before trying to happy up anyone in the future.
I did not watch the Alaska episode. How awful to abuse that child, then for TFMJG to act like a spoiled baby herself. They should have lost TFMJG in the wilderness for a couple days!
Tho since she seemed to hate the whole Alaska experience, where in the great beautiful outdoors would she have gone? A spa? Or was she holed up in a hotel room having a major meltdown while Steve was talking her down from the ledge? I just cannot think they were off sightseeing, and nothing about them makes me think this was a romantic getaway. Forever a mystery.
So why not ease up a bit on cooking today and enjoy having the kids home? Take them sledding or play games together or cozy up with hot chocolate and a movie? It's okay to just have sandwiches for lunch and throw together some pasta for dinner. Done.
Trust me, a kid will remember that a parent was always in the kitchen. And not fondly.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 11
So why not ease up a bit on cooking today and enjoy having the kids home? Take them sledding or play games together or cozy up with hot chocolate and a movie? It's okay to just have sandwiches for lunch and throw together some pasta for dinner. Done.
Trust me, a kid will remember that a parent was always in the kitchen. And not fondly.
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Holing up in the kitchen once again. No talk about sledding or building snowmen or playing with the dog outside.
Angie, congratulations to your daughter, that is awesome! No offense, but if she didn't do any distance training beyond 3-5 (which is great) miles, it is part of the reason she is so sore. My first half, I trained for a few months and was running 6, 8, 10 miles toward the end. You gradually build up your endurance with long distance. Finished in 2:04 and had a weird thing where lactic acid shot to my feet when I sat down and was very stiff. But it didn't last long. After a shower, my husband and I walked about 1/2 mile to my favorite crepe place and I felt pretty good! If she wants to do it again, she might want to google a training plan that helps with distance endurance and it'll probably be very different. VERY impressive that she made it in that time if she didn't do endurance training! Ah, to be young again!
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Angie, congratulations to your daughter! My oldest daughter runs marathons as well, and there was never a doubt in MY mind that Kate did not run that full marathon all the way.
Cooking up a storm is code for "my kids are home and I need to hide" - no parental supervision or engagement, so of course they bicker amongst themselves. At least at school there are adults in charge. Snow day and mom (and her bird) are in the kitchen, opening cans in a cooking frenzy. Don't even want to think where the dog is on this snow day.
Thanks guys for the internet interview thing.
Admin: why Kate does nothing with kids home, cause this is a "normal" day, the kids home, when they should be in school, ruins Kate routine(whatever that is). The fact that Kate does not know what to do with her kids, when they are home, and then having them home cause of bad weather, this just ruins her day. So she retreats to the kitchen as her sanctuary from her kids. Remember all the episodes where, Kate kicks everyone out of the kitchen. Kate has made her kitchen as her sanctuary. Even on CWS, the twins were up early, and wanted to come in the kitchen and Kate told them to go to there room, until it was 6:03 am. Totally nuts! Yes, I agree that Kate should put the baking aside and have fun with her kids(if I had kids, that is what I would do) Kate can do baking anytime, it's not like she goes to a job. I don't know how she spends her time, but I can do laundry, while I, say cook or clean another part of the house. I don't just stay in the laundry room and wait for the laundry to finish. (my laundry room is in my basement, so up/down stairs, good exercise) Your washer runs about a 20 min cycle, one can get a lot of other cleaning or cooking or whatever done in 20 mins. What ever her schedule, and it sounds like she is a stick to the schedule type, even if bad weather, her day is ruin cause the kids are home. Her schedule is all messed up. Poor baby, welcome to the normal/real/mediocre/mundane world.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 11
So why not ease up a bit on cooking today and enjoy having the kids home? Take them sledding or play games together or cozy up with hot chocolate and a movie? It's okay to just have sandwiches for lunch and throw together some pasta for dinner. Done.
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I was thinking that too! Why always always cooking? That's the only way she knows how to show "love" plus it's here excuse to not have to engage. Grilled cheese and tomato soup would be a great dinner on a day like this. Can't be anymore sodium than her usual cooking
Angie said... 7
Totally off topic, but wanted to share that my 24 yr daughter competed and completed her first 13.1 mile marathon this past weekend with a time of 2:26! Of course her doing this prompted me to ask how she felt immediately afterwards... And her response? She could hardly stand upright, her hips and joints were killing her.
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A facebook friend also ran a half this weekend and she had a party to go to the next day. She posted about what a mistake it was to wear heels and that she was in agony.
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy836m
A wonderful snow day 2day!I enjoy watching it from my kitchen windows while I cook up my own storm! #kidsloveit2 pic.twitter.com/fGCvwOQYJ9
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What's Shoka doing while she flutters around her kitchen and fawns over the birdie all day? There's hardly been a mention of him since she got the new toy. Bet he feels loved. Not.
Yes y'all are correct, when FRP said to run longer distances, I recall her saying something about adding miles here and there to the 3-5mike runs, and something about 'super runs", but didn't get a chance to ask her what exactly those were she was talking so fast, lol! She has lost a tremendous amt of weight, is say she's somewhat thinner than wish, but she's young, hasn't had kids, ect. She said the weather played a factor, is was super chilly. She said at mile 12 runners were having their muscles rubbed down. She almost quit at that pt but pushed on. She said it will be a very long time before she dies another marathon, it was harder than what she imagined.
Again, hiding in the kitchen. And given her heavy use of canned goods, and pizzas, I imagine cooking up a storm IS just that anyways. What a good day to be baking WITH your children, not hiding from them. Or reading here :-).
Angie, tell her to do the next one in summer. Rock-n-Roll events are very fun, especially in warmer months. Cold weather definitely makes for a different race, as your entire body seems to pull into itself to warm up, and then you start sweating and feel even colder. She got her finisher medal - that's what counts! She should be very, very proud! I know her mama is!
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Back to when Kate and Steve "disappeared" for a couple of days in Alaska--wasn't that mystery cleared up when the episodes were aired? Wasn't that when Kate, Steve, the twins (oh, sorry, the two big girls--Kate doesn't say twins), the camera crew, the helicopter pilot and probably the director and assorted other necessary film people, all went to the glacier and had such a good time? (By had such a good time, I, of course, mean Kate posed, shrieked and got as much sun on her teeth as she could, Steve tried to remain off camera as much as he could and the two girls frolicked madly while remaining pretty much motionless.) I may be remembering incorrectly but I cannot remember joy in this little side trip. I do remember thinking, Ah, that is where they were when the pap shots and rag mag story came out.
That may not be correct, but in my mind that mystery was solved.
She says she is cooking, but why believe that? For someone who claims to cook as much as she does, she ought to be able to sell that cookbook she continues to hawk. And those stupid Gather.com freelance writers will pick up on that tweet and Kate knows it.
Did it occur to you guys that her nanny/housekeeper is probably there? Why assume Kate is alone watching the kids. She hates to be around them all day.
Freezing mojave denizen said... 23
Back to when Kate and Steve "disappeared" for a couple of days in Alaska--wasn't that mystery cleared up when the episodes were aired? Wasn't that when Kate, Steve, the twins (oh, sorry, the two big girls--Kate doesn't say twins), the camera crew, the helicopter pilot and probably the director and assorted other necessary film people, all went to the glacier and had such a good time?
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Ah, yes. I remember Kate trying to really ham it up with Mady.
I just don't get taking little kids (what, 6 yrs old at the time?) so very far away, and leaving them to do filming for days.
I think Kate's just very used to leaving her kids with the babysitter that it doesn't phase her. No matter what their ages and no matter how far away from home they are.
I do remember seeing pics of the little kids looking really sullen, loading or unloading from a van.
So, what did Kate do with the little kids in Alaska? I'm trying to remember. They went to Wasilla, where Kate took off with Sarah to do a bear class and shoot rifles. Then there was the glacier. Oh, there was Kate shrieking on the boat and 2 whole hours of camping.
Must have been a lot of down time, a lot of travel and a lot of waiting around doing nothing.
I apologize for the spelling errors in my posts, my computer is in the shop and doing this on a phone is quite the trick! Lol
I am happy she accomplished her goal, but her siblings and I think she's nuts to think running is fun-lol!
Is imply shared what she told me to compare with what wos reported, and her wearing heels the next day is an insult to all real runners out there.
Carry on! 😄
Back to when Kate and Steve "disappeared" for a couple of days in Alaska--wasn't that mystery cleared up when the episodes were aired? Wasn't that when Kate, Steve, the twins (oh, sorry, the two big girls--Kate doesn't say twins), the camera crew, the helicopter pilot and probably the director and assorted other necessary film people, all went to the glacier and had such a good time?
Which was fine to go do, I guess. But why wouldn't TFW have explained to the sextuplets what was going on?
Wouldn't a normal mother take great care to explain to her children where she was going to be for a few days? Especially when they're traveling?
Unless you're hardly ever home/with the kids, and they wouldn't think anything of it??
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Admin-Keiko was held for a number of years at the Newport Aquarium in Oregon. We took our children to see him
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I also took my children to see Keiko in Newport. It was truly awesome to see him eye to eye (literally because of the underground viewing). It was an experience my daughters and I talked about quite a lot. And, I agree, he did have a sad ending.
P.S. I'm also on the west coast.
Here is a picture of kate, M and C at the air taxi company.
But look at the link and whose names are on it. Hmmmm....
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http://tinyurl.com/pk9pjxz
Also these photos for Throwback Tuesday.
/Kate-Gosselin-reveals-shes-ready-love-Is-shes-visiting-bed-store.
http://tinyurl.com/owog9kn
http://tinyurl.com/ohhnmdx
reader - thanks for the update re PA legislature voting on child protection law.
Angie - congrats to your daughter on accomplishing such a feat!
As to Kate "cooking up a storm," sounds like more hooey to me. If she is in the kitchen, she's picking away at a salad and considering whether to open a box of wine.
Even here in usually mild northern CA, we've been experiencing days of quite cold weather. Drops into freezing temps at night, and it was 24 degrees when I took my son to school around 7:45 this morning. I put a beef roast in the crock pot, so that when we get home, we'll be welcomed by that wonderful smell. Mashed potates and some steamed carrots on the side, mmmmmmmmm, easy peasy dinner. And I didn't have to "cook up a storm" either.
I have always been puzzled by TFW's behavior while camping with the Palins. She was so determined to be miserable. She threw a fit about making sandwiches for the kids, but the kids were eating moose burgers and hot dogs and s'mores. They didn't need sandwiches. TFW refused to even try a moose hot dog, but threw things on the ground and wailed that she was hungry. And when she was in the midst of her tantrum about being cold, Sarah P's father told her to come over by the fire to warm up. She refused and said, "I'm beyond help". All her drama was self-created. There was no reason to refuse to warm up by the fire when she was cold. There was no reason to insist upon making sandwich for kids who were already eating. And there was no reason to refuse to eat something new (something that her kids seemed to like) when she was hungry. When you are miserable and a solution presents itself, you go with the solution. She simply didn't want to be happy.
I think she may have been a little surprised that TLC put all that footage of her bad behavior in the show. That was the beginning of the end between TLC and TFW, in my opinion. And in the RV episodes, when they showed TFW saying, "This is so over", and "I'm really done here". Foreshadowing, perhaps? I imagine the folks at TLC chuckling over those scenes, thinking, "She has no idea...". It really was over. She just didn't know it yet.
Wow! Celebrity Laundry has Kate's number. See article below
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You know you’re dealing with a show mom when she claims everything she does, from the child exploitation to always being the one in front of the camera, is for her kids. Kate Gosselin is that mother. She had eight kids and once upon a time a husband who cared. Was she satisfied with that? No, sir! There’s only two things in this world that makes her happy – control and fame. As long as he gets to pretend to be the perfect mother who’s struggling then she thinks she can control how the media see her. Good luck with that Kate.
Well, guess what. Many have already woken up to this manipulative woman’s claims. They know she should have retired her kids right out of the limelight long ago. Even back before her ex Jon Gosselin started to complain none of his kids were at the appropriate school level. They should have went back to normal during their parents’ divorce. That way they could have been saved from the constant articles and videos of each parent expressing their disgust for the other. Divorce is bitter enough on its own but when 8 kids had to watch their father express his happy escape from mommy then it’s time to call it a wrap. Instead they saw her ‘Dancing With the Stars’ fiasco and Jon’s partying with notorious lowlife and world’s worst parent Michael Lohan. Look how well that turned out for Jon. Michael fathered a baby with one of Jon’s exes and Jon is broke.
According to Gather.com, “The former reality TV star says that she is ‘just a regular mom’ trying to make her kids dreams come true.” Kate came out with that statement when she explained she’s been trying to score One Direction tickets for the kids. It seems she (and I quote) “don’t mind” having to be normal and buy the overpriced tickets like everyone else. If it truly didn’t matter then why complain on Twitter. Odds are this ploy of hers was supposed to drum up sympathy and hopefully get someone to offer her the tickets for free.
Here's the link: http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2013/kate-gosselin-jon-normal-mom-famewhore-children-kids-twitter-1210/
I put a beef roast in the crock pot, so that when we get home, we'll be welcomed by that wonderful smell. Mashed potates and some steamed carrots on the side, mmmmmmmmm, easy peasy dinner. And I didn't have to "cook up a storm" either.
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Yum!
I made a Coca Cola brisket this weekend that we enjoyed last night with polenta and brussel sprout gratin.
I didn't "cook up a storm" this morning, but I did make a baked ziti with a bolognese sauce and had that put away by 9am.
Done.
Will bake for dinner tonight.
As The Barefoot Contessa says, "how easy it that?".
Totally off topic here, but I wonder if any of you or your families have been affected by the Affordable Care Act? My daughter says her insurance now has an out-of pocket at $10,000. Sounds impossible. Is it?
http://www.petinsurance.com/healthzone/pet-articles/pet-health-toxins/Teflon-Poisoning-in-Birds.aspx
http://www.ewg.org/research/canaries-kitchen/teflon-kills-birds
http://theexoticvet.com/care-sheets/the-dangers-of-teflon-pans/
Kate, you read here. Milo reads here. Your fans read here. The non-fans read here. Please read the above articles. You spend so much time cooking, and I'm willing to bet that you use Teflon cookware. This is something that should not be ignored.
I'm going to grab a rotisserie chicken on my way home and throw together a white chicken chili. Quick and easy.
That particular freelance writer has Kate's number, not Gather.com. Each writer has their own opinion.
Can someone explain something to me? I’ve seen the hater vs fan war on twitter and blogs over the last couple of years. The haters and non-fans continue to disparage Kate and her fans. Yet, the fans also disparage the haters and the non-fans. What’s the point? What does each side get out of it? Is the only way that you can feel better about your opinion is to attack the opposite side?
The pro-Kate blogs pick on the haters, the anti-Kate blogs pick on the fans. How does attacking the opposite side show your support or non-support? I never understood that. It’s seems to be a never ending battle. I don’t understand why people need to disparage anyone’s opinion. People are entitled to their opinions. So if people don’t like Kate, the fans pick them apart. If people do like Kate, the haters pick them apart.
It seems in many instances, the only way some people can support Kate is by attacking her detractors. Same goes for the other side-the only way some of them can show their dislike of Kate is by attacking her supporters.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that people will like Kate, or people will not like her. Attacking those who do like her, or attacking those who don’t like her, seems like a waste of time, because it will never change anyone’s opinion. Kate will have her supporters and she will have her non-supporters. I don’t understand why people on both sides feel it’s necessary to attack each other. What does it accomplish? I hope someone will answer this, because I truly don’t understand why each side feels there is a need to attack opposite opinions. I just don’t understand why each side can’t just totally ignore each other.
Give your reasons for supporting or not supporting Kate, but if your reasons are based on what the “other side” says, than IMO your reasons are not valid at all.
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I think both sides just love the drama. The conversations are like a hamster on a wheel. The same things are said over and over and over and nothing gets accomplished..if there is something to be accomplished. Kate really needs to shut that ridiculous Twitter down. It serves no purpose and has done a lot to ruin her already tarnished reputation.
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Can someone explain something to me? I’ve seen the hater vs fan war on twitter and blogs over the last couple of years. The haters and non-fans continue to disparage Kate and her fans. Yet, the fans also disparage the haters and the non-fans. What’s the point? What does each side get out of it? Is the only way that you can feel better about your opinion is to attack the opposite side?
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I think most of us here dislike Kate for Kate, not based on her fans. Sure Milo makes me roll my eyes but only because she is so over-the-top. I never heard of RWA until around the time BV came along, checked it out, and found it boring because it was mostly about the haterz, not Kate. There is another fan blog out there who focuses on the haters (and this blog). They are IMO haters. That's why I prefer this blog to one like RWA. I don't like Kate because I think she's a bitch, was mean to her kids and husband, and I saw her in person ask for money while she was buying a mansion. I also have family friends who vacationed near her at OBX and said she was a bitch. Sure, now that BV came along I look at some of the rabid fans and I can't stand them because they are liars, shit stirrers who then sit back and cry bully. But I don't comment on that or anything. In fact there are some fans like Barb and Sandie that I like. I'm not sure why you are asking that question here? Do you get the feeling that we are more about hating the fans then criticizing Kate? Because I don't see that.
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@TheHankBaskett @Kateplusmy8 Naysayers always do this 2Kate....can't accept FACT she is a nice lady & a gr8 mother & folks do like her! :)
Hey, Milo. How about making a little holiday trip up here and talk to the folks in her old neighborhood. I'll even spring for your plane ticket. You might have a very rude awakening.
An Observer, have you also posted and asked this on the fan blogs?
Just curious.
PatK said... 42
An Observer, have you also posted and asked this on the fan blogs?
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Yes, I posted the same thing on one of the fan blogs. I would just like to know why the fan blogs think the haters are the reason why Kate can't get jobs,etc. Are the haters that powerful?
I would also like to know why the non-fan blogs(like this one) jump on the fans who like Kate.
Nobody will ever change anyone's opinion, so what is the purpose? You either like Kate or you don't. To criticize other's opinions regarding Kate Gosselin, IMO, is wrong. Own your opinion--but don't disparage other people for not agreeing with you.
I agree, some people just like drama. This is not unique to Kate. I've been surprised but not really to discover lots of celebrities experience similar twitter "wars." I mean this very post is about how nasty people got about Carrie Uunderwood. There was a definite hater-sheeple battle although short lived.
The internet in general has pretty limited accountability. However there is SOME accountability most places around the web. For instance here if someone is being disruptive, rude, insulting, whatever, I can delete their comments or not publish them in the first place. They either alter their behavior or never see their comments published. Since there is little to no reward for these people when their comments go unpublished, this behavior is pretty limited here. But if I published every single comment I wouldn't be surprised to see this place get pretty nasty.
Twitter rarely bans people or restricts people. It's sort of a rather scary psychological look at what happens when there are no rules or accountability. Some people, quite a few actually, get absolutely vile. It's sad, but I still think most people don't behave that way even given no accountability. There are plenty of pleasant people on Twitter.
I don't think the fans are "jumped on" here. I think there are a few very vocal fans who constantly tweet Kate, about Kate, or tweet Kate's fans, and as far as I'm concerned their tweets are fair game. Those fans also attack the "haters" too so they get as good as they give. They are hardly innocent. Milo is obviously one of those as is Goody. The rest of them are rarely mentioned or if they are it's often out of pity. For example, why won't Kate respond to that poor sap about her book, her birthday, etc? Hardly jumping on anyone. Even Em has said some pretty nasty things about the fans but the comments about her are mostly positive. What's a bright, young, pretty, wealthy girl with the world her oyster DOING there? I can only recall the handles of maybe 5 of her fans tops, maybe 6.
"Do you get the feeling that we are more about hating the fans then criticizing Kate? Because I don't see that."
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I don't see it, either. In fact, in the little I read on the other blog that was shut down, it seems that was all they did. It was all about the fans and poking at them, and they poked back in return...very little about Kate or the kids.
Sure we laugh at Milo and sometimes bang our heads at what she comes up with, but only because she's such an over-the-top Gladys and is an entity onto herself. It's also amusing trying to guess who or what she is. We comment on the most rabid Jon-hater on Twitter, but not on a regular basis. We also mention that quite a few of the sheeple belong to the Double Digit Club, but only when some really far-out statements are made ("stupid things sheeple say"), like do you freeze a turkey carcass, or does your bread maker slice the bread...only because this is quite funny.
I don't hate fans, or follow fans or haters (don't have Twitter). However, from a psychological perspective, it's interesting to take a look at the relationship between Kate and her fans, and the fans and the haters. The sociological aspect is fascinating when you think about how she uses these fans, they get nothing in return, and yet keep following her (and "supporting" her)...for what reason, I have no idea. Milo's profile says that she (or he) is a "happily married female supporting Kate Gosselin." Why does she need support? She needs to be held up?She can't "support" herself on her own?
The fans seem to have a sense of entitlement because they continue to praise her, and that's their fault. They're in over their heads with their worship and I think that right now, for them to give that up would mean defeat. The haters would have won, and they can't have that. It's become a Hatfields-McCoy scenario. She wouldn't even let them know where she would be on her book tour (even though they begged her), and yet she continues her grifting in hopes that they send her gifts. Some textbook cases of celebrity worship going on there, and the love isn't reciprocated. Look at Milo.
Local I like some of her fans too. Not all fans are bad. In particular there were some rather nice ones who signed up for her cruise. I truly felt awful for them. That was so terrible not only that they went through the vetting but that then they got screwed when the cruise was cancelled and the whole lunch Kate promised never happened. They were NOT rabid fans or haters, yet they were caught in the crossfire. They were just trying to plan a nice trip for their family.
I actually ended up being friends with one of the fans of the celeb I worked for who did some work for us. Like really close friends for over a decade now. She's normal and lovely and would bend over backwards for anyone. She has even helped out with this blog some time back, one of the blog girls. And yet, I encountered a fair share of fans who I found creepy and obnoxious.
There's fans and then there are people who take it to the next level. They are not one in the same.
PA Dutch Mom said... 41
Hey, Milo. How about making a little holiday trip up here and talk to the folks in her old neighborhood. I'll even spring for your plane ticket. You might have a very rude awakening.
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Hey, PA Dutch Mom - Set up a PayPal account and I'll gladly donate to buying that plane ticket!
I also have long had an interest in the psychological aspect of fandom.
Even as a child I was fascinated with cases like John Lennon and Jodi Foster and their fans. But even the less zealous fans I think are interesting. And especially when they take up for someone like Kate who is just not a nice person, I am even more intrigued.
There was a British documentary made not too long ago about crazy fans. It was hard to watch. I think fandom is just one way that issues are manifested for many people, just like overeating or drinking or drugs is.
There's fans and then there are people who take it to the next level. They are not one in the same.
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Then there's Milo, who actually believes she's intimately involved in the life of the Gosselin family. There's also a fan who hates Jon with a passion, and on the other hand, calls for a Twitter end to hate, but at the same time tweets haters with obscenities. The hypocrisy is astounding, and I guess we'll never be able to figure it out, and so we just watch it happen, commenting occasionally, shaking our heads all the while.
By the way, the latest of Mlio's little ditties:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 21m
@Kateplusmy8 Miss seeing my boy ShokaJoe? How is he? He & ZorroJay share same sleeping quarters?? :) #Update
HER boy ShokaJoe? Is she asking if Shoka is sleeping in the bird cage, or if the bird is outside in the doghouse?
I was thinking about what the fans get out of their undying love and admiration of Kate. There are a few on Twitter who are obsessed with HLN anchors; one considers herself a bestie with a comedian I never heard of; another met Kate at a book signing and wants her to read her book; and another tweets various celebrities and believes that they actually care that she changed the color of her nail polish and went to McDonalds for breakfast. I guess what they get out of this one-sided "relationship" is that they can say they know a celebrity and regularly talk to them. It makes them feel important in some kind of strange way. Sometimes if they get lucky, the person will tweet them back or re-tweet. Perhaps that's all they need to fill up some empty space, just the thrill of being "close" to an important person, or at least being able to say that they are.
An Observer said... 43
PatK said... 42
An Observer, have you also posted and asked this on the fan blogs?
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Yes, I posted the same thing on one of the fan blogs. I would just like to know why the fan blogs think the haters are the reason why Kate can't get jobs,etc. Are the haters that powerful?
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It's amazing to me. Yes, they think that. I guess it justifies the fact that she doesn't have a job yet. I even saw where a fan surmised that a hater was selling negative stories to the tabloid (the one where she is stealing from the kids). WTF? Anyone can just "sell" a story to a tabloid? If that were true I could be making up shit left and right about anyone and I wouldn't need a second job.
Nobody will ever change anyone's opinion, so what is the purpose? You either like Kate or you don't. To criticize other's opinions regarding Kate Gosselin, IMO, is wrong. Own your opinion--but don't disparage other people for not agreeing with you.
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I agree but that statement is best directed toward the Twitter players who go back and forth than with this blog.
Sleepless In Seattle said... 50
HER boy ShokaJoe? Is she asking if Shoka is sleeping in the bird cage, or if the bird is outside in the doghouse?
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Just doin' her job. She reads here and noticed a couple of us were concerned about him today.
Expect a 'happy, happy Shoka' report from Kate any minute now.
I think TFW has a LOT of free time and simply is so used to staying home and living off the money her children made, she will likely never return to work. Her tweets are like those of a self involved teen.
The constant "look at me, see what I have," while normal for a teenager seem sort of sad for a woman approaching 40.
I just don't understand why each side can’t just totally ignore each other.
Give your reasons for supporting or not supporting Kate, but if your
reasons are based on what the “other side” says, than IMO your reasons
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I don't disagree. My reasons for disliking kate's actions are exactly that. Kate's actions, as seen on tv- in her realist of reality shows.
Don't tweet; don't read twitter except what gets posted here, but that seems to be the slimepit, jmo.
Just doin' her job. She reads here and noticed a couple of us were concerned about him today.
Expect a 'happy, happy Shoka' report from Kate any minute now.
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Our dogs live with us, in the house, so it's not like cold or rainy weather will draw them nearer, since they hang around with us and even sleep on our bed.
But, this weather, with the snow and the cold, really makes me happy when we can hunker down and cook all day, smell the amazing aromas from the kitchen, build a fire (lab gets a little nervous!) or binge watch tv.
I don't imagine Shoka gets to enjoy any of that. I just hope he gets to be indoors...
Soon this package of bills will be passed by the senate and on their way to be signed by the Governor. A lot of hard work and open honest conversation to get to this point.
And TFW will be taking photos of her bird to fill the day. And tweeting about what she is cooking! How does she do it?
An Observer said... 43
PatK said... 42
An Observer, have you also posted and asked this on the fan blogs?
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I would also like to know why the non-fan blogs(like this one) jump on the fans who like Kate.
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I have no problem with anyone admiring or supporting a celebrity. What I do not understand, whether it be a fan or a politician or anyone, is outright lying and twisting facts to suit your own agenda. I don't think any of Kate's fans are "jumped" on for liking her. More often than not we admire them and have sympathy for folks like Austin Martin who patiently ask year after year to meet with her and get nothing but BS from Kate in return. Or worse, the ones who send gifts and then ask again and again if she got them, and she never responds. The fans who constantly lie in the face of pure fact make themselves targets. I think many of them are living vicariously through her, and are unwilling to ruin their own fantasies by accepting her many defeats, deceptions and dark past. They wan't to be winners, therefore Kate always has to be a winner, even though she rarely is. So they lie through their teeth to make her appear to be a winner and a desired, sought after celebrity. It's sad, really.
But, this weather, with the snow and the cold, really makes me happy when we can hunker down and cook all day, smell the amazing aromas from the kitchen, build a fire (lab gets a little nervous!) or binge watch tv.
I don't imagine Shoka gets to enjoy any of that. I just hope he gets to be indoors...
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Tucker's - We don't have a dog(s), we have two cats or rather, they have us, but if we did that's how they'd be treated - as companions and part of the family. Shoka keeps drawing the short straw. The first time when he and Nala arrived in Gosselinland and when he returned alone. Now with this new bird in the house we all know darn well he's just been pushed aside even farther.
Kate is not an animal lover. Sure she likes to hold puppies and koalas and someone else's baby, but that doesn't mean anything. Who doesn't fall in love with that? But with her that's as far as it goes. She has no nurturing instincts whatsoever, no compassion for other living creatures. She doesn't know that animals have emotions but even if she did she wouldn't care. I feel so bad that Shoka has been forced to live in that labyrinth of the beast.
I think it's just cruel to restrict a dog from being with his pack. My heart breaks for that poor pup.
Yes, it's very cruel. We all know Kate's record for fairness and playing favorites. If that parrot is allowed to be out of his cage as often as she'd have us believe, then Shoka is outside most of the time.
Observer, the twidiots make twitter a cesspool I don't want to play in. the twitter wars have a life of their own, and have more to do with the egos of the fans and anti-fans and each side wanting to be right. Its not bad compared to political fighting on discussion boards.
I post here because I like remembrances of A Christmas Story, recipes, books, gardening, pop culture info, all that discussion I really like.
Or: I know there are a few Amazing Race fans on here. What did you think of the finale? The only pair that I could tolerate actually won, so that was good. The Japanese game show challenge was load of fun to watch.
Way off topic, but SOA season finale tonight? WOW!
Add me to the other 3 posters on here who was a teen-ager in the 70's! I just turned 55 yesterday. It was definitely a great time to grow up, though perhaps at the time I didn't think so (you know, the whole "who am I?" stage teen-agers can go through).
Wallabee shoes, Dittos pants, mood rings, 8 track cassettes, Simon & Garfunkel, Cat Stevens, The Carpenters, Barry Manilow, Farrah Fawcett hairstyle, The Brady Bunch, American Bandstand, Little House On The Prairie, The Osmond Brothers (Donny Osmond mania! I know, I was one of them and thought I'd died and gone to heaven when I met him in 1973 and thought it was even more "groovy" that we shared the same birthday!), Hamburger Helper, maxi (long) dresses, "going steady", rotary phones, pre-VCR's, car phones, cell phones, answering machines...geez I can on and on...sorry, got carried away!
You know an animal lover when you see it. Kate talks a big talk about being an animal lover but she doesn't do and say things that real animal lovers do and say. Even her pics of her animals have an impersonal ring to them. There is a disconnect between her and the animals that is not unlike the odd disconnect between her and the children.
Lisa from Real Housewives is a true animal lover. She can't even go away from the weekend without missing her Gigster. The way she holds and loves on her animals (and kids) is how true animal lovers and mothers behave.
It does baffle me the way she talks about and treats her fans and yet they stick by her.
In this interview she called the fans "silly" and "ridiculous." It's about at 230. And the next question after that is about another family of multiples born just a few months after hers and if they are in contact. You could tell that pissed Kate off there was another family of multiples brought up, and she gave a harsh answer about how she doesn't typically comment on other families.
The hell? Why? What's wrong with answering such a reasonable question? What's wrong with saying something kind like I wish them the best I've been there! "No comment" is so dumb and ego-driven. It's a question about multiples, not your sex tape. Sheesh.
I read today that Carrie Underwood had finally tweeted a response to the hate. She said that her haters don't know Jesus and she would be praying for them tonight.
I am really disappointed. I thought she had handled this so maturely up until now. Just because you think a production of The Sound of Music was terrible (which, it was) doesn't mean you deserve to be accused of not having religion and told so smugly that you're going to be prayed for. WTF! With the exception of that tweet she handled it well but I really had hoped that this 30 year old was going to be a shining example of how to handle such "hate" like a grown up. I'm sorry she couldn't hold out on this, it really wasn't going to last much longer.
Admin, Carrie was probably just doing what she was taught in Sunday School: when you are slapped in the face, turn the other cheek rather than fire back. Speak words of peace. Pray for those who persecute you. People who create turmoil for others are doing the devil's work.
Do not return evil for evil, but treat evil with good.
Whether her twitter reply measures up to the Biblical teachings or not is open for discussion I guess, but the point is that Carrie most likely believes it does. I bet she was taught all this before she was out of Kindergarten. It's a common teaching.
Just because you think a production of The Sound of Music was terrible (which, it was) doesn't mean you deserve to be accused of not having religion and told so smugly that you're going to be prayed for. WTF!
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I watched The Big Lebowski instead and missed the entire production with Carrie, only because I really never cared for the SOM. That alone might be considered sacrilegious. ha!
(Leslie)
This is off topic but I watched yesterday early morning a re-run (2010) of Q&A session of "Little People, Big World". Guess how many vehicles the Roloffs had then. 33. Thirty three cars, vans, mules, backhoes, bulldozer, etc. Yes, that includes a several beat up cars but it also includes 2 Mercedes too. To me that just proves that TLC pays well. And they built a near mansion in the past years too. That house has been renovated so many times it is now HUGE. And that doesn't include all the many, many expensive projects that Matt builds all over the farm. And their ratings were never that great either. Amy was a school teacher and I don't think Matt really worked outside of the farm in the past many, many years. Yes, he sold step stools to hotels but I really doubt that made them much or any money. And with all the tremendous overhead of pumpkin season I doubt they made much profit from that.
I am 100% certain that Kate earned $250,000 per episode for Kate Plus 8. She was advertising TLC all over Dancing With The Stars and had already earned hundred of millions for "Jon and Kate Plus 8". And for that TV series, they were not paid that well. Kate was at her peak with all the People covers and DWTS when she signed up for Kate Plus 8. That is why she is not working now and living large. Plus TV Guide reported this figure and I believe they are a solid source.
I just wanted to say at this point I think the rabid fans are the ones keeping this going. The "haters" are calling TFW out. The "fans" sicced BV on them. The "fans" bait and cry bully and the haterz defend themselves.
Carrie Underwood wasn't turning the other cheek. In fact, quite the opposite. In suggesting that her critics needed Jesus (calling them "mean people" and saying that she'd pray for them), she was jabbing a judgmental finger in their faces.
The actual tweet: Plain and simple: Mean people need Jesus. They will be in my prayers tonight... 1 Peter 2:1-25
5:06 PM - 6 Dec 2013
NJ gal, Sons of Anarchy, always surprises, never boring! Kurt Sutter is an amazing writer.
Also, the "fans" accuse some "haters" of actions against certain fans' families. Maybe true, maybe not, but if so that was one person who did that, and they and BV went after "haters" who had nothing to do with it, knew nothing about it, and never heard of some of those people. Observer, you are right, it is crazy. We are a blog that discusses the actions of public figures, Jon and Kate, but the rabid fans are all about revenge and attacking and they attack people who have nothing to do with it. Why don't they talk about how wonderful Kate is? They are her fans aren't they? KWIM?
As a nice southern small town Christian, when someone is mean to you and you really want to tell them off, or hit them upside the head, it is more ladylike to tell them you will pray for them, that the love of Jesus might come into their hearts.
Its several degrees past saying ” bless your heart.”
Its makes the other person look bad to complain about someone else blessing them and praying for them.
I think TFW is luring the kids in to bake since she said even a year ago I think, that getting them dressed for playing in the snow took hours ( lol, my exaggeration, but I think she said one hour or something!) even at their ages.
Joy I love ya but I respectfully disagree, and I'm Christian. I think in that context, telling someone you will pray for them and that they need to find Jesus is immature and condescending. It was not said in the context of someone who had come to her for help. In that context, it's fine.
Local I agree. The entire BV thing was started by and encouraged by Kate. While all sides may have come aboard at some point, there is no disputing which "side" started the attacks.
malice and all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and slander of every kind."
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But she's calling *legitimate* criticism of her just people being hypocritical, envious, having malice and being slanderous. That's immature, I'm sorry.
I find nothing wrong with Carrie's tweet. She didn't say her critics. She said mean people. That's open to interpretation but I don't think she means people who have legitimate complaints about her performance.
I think she should just ignore the hate whether she thinks it's "mean" or not. What happened to what she was saying before about how she knew she couldn't measure up to Julie and knew her place?
Ignoring it is the most mature response. Ordering people to get religion is sort of a cop out. I think my point is now she has engaged with the "haters" much like Kate does, and that just turns it into a war. She's an instigator now, just another person slinging insults, instead of a mature young woman who rose above it and dealt with it well.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 80
But she's calling *legitimate* criticism of her just people being hypocritical, envious, having malice and being slanderous. That's immature, I'm sorry.
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I don't think she is talking about legitimate criticism. I think she's addressing the vile people who are just saying things to be mean. It's twitter. You really think she's addressing people who nicely and politely say, "Your acting could have been better?".
I don't think it was immature. I think it was sincere. I bet she really did pray for them that night.
JoyinVirginia said... 76
As a nice southern small town Christian, when someone is mean to you and you really want to tell them off, or hit them upside the head, it is more ladylike to tell them you will pray for them, that the love of Jesus might come into their hearts.
Its several degrees past saying ” bless your heart.”
Its makes the other person look bad to complain about someone else blessing them and praying for them.
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This is a great way to put it.
The bottom line is still a finger-waggling "shame on you".
Eh, if that's all the push back Carrie Underwood is going to give on Twitter, I'm OK with it. Yes, it does use religion to cast aspersions on others, but it's still pretty tame.
I don't think CU's response wades into victim territory. Plus she could have been very, VERY boastful as her headlining TSOM Live drew in what? 18 million pairs of eyeballs?
That is stunning.
This is why she shouldn't have done that. She's just made it worse. When you expand that tweet, you can see that it has TEN THOUSAND replies. Ten thousand!!!
I can't possibly read them all. But predictably, it is a hater-sheeple war. With some people saying how wonderful she is, while others saying she needs to get over herself, is an "impostor", a moron, ignorant, and a privileged brat.
She just made it worse.
Insert Creative Username Here said... 81
I find nothing wrong with Carrie's tweet. She didn't say her critics. She said mean people. That's open to interpretation but I don't think she means people who have legitimate complaints about her performance.
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That's my take as well.
I came here to say that while I applaud Carrie's guts and gusto in taking on this iconic role, I think her acting fell short. Particularly in comparison to some of her cast mates.
I like her! She's talented! However, if she wants to play to her strengths, truth to power is going to say one of those many strengths is not acting.
No one is master of everything. You know what they say- "jack of all trades, master of none".
I know some here disagreed with my take on CU's performance, although I gave credit to her vocals and how she could convey the character when singing. That's ok. I don't know how to make any clearer that my take is purely critical, not personal.
To compare, I think most of the actors who starred in Le Miserable the movie with Anne Hathaway are among the best in their generations. But some, let's just say, singing is not their forte and they should stick to their day jobs!
Bringing religion into most anything, especially when you're a celeb and on Twitter, just isn't a good idea. She's ostracized her fans of other religions, or those who have no religion. As someone who's Jewish and slightly agnostic, and with a Catholic sister and Buddhist nephew, the minute someone tells me I have to pray to Jesus (or any religious symbol) I start to get twitchy.
Jane said... 87
Bringing religion into most anything, especially when you're a celeb and on Twitter, just isn't a good idea. She's ostracized her fans of other religions, or those who have no religion. As someone who's Jewish and slightly agnostic, and with a Catholic sister and Buddhist nephew, the minute someone tells me I have to pray to Jesus (or any religious symbol) I start to get twitchy.
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If your goal is to sell as many records as possible, be bland (no religion, politics, etc...). If your goal is to sell records while being yourself, be yourself and hope for the best, but know that not everyone's going to like you.
Being in my mid 40's I am an 80's girl myself. That's why I'm enjoying watching "The Goldbergs" on Hulu Plus. It's a "Wonder Years" format, but it's still a sweet show.
I didn't watch SoM because I wasn't all that interested but I agree her response was condescending and immature. I can empathize with her frustration but she has to realize that the twhaters just like to make loud noises and hear themselves speak. The vitriol is pure herd mentality at it's best and next week they'll move on to someone else.
I've been observing the infighting between fans and "haters." It's mostly taking place behind the scenes now. The tweeters on both sides aren't including Kate's name in their tweets so they're not being seen on Kate's T/L like they used to be. Many of the haters have been suspended and the nastiest of the fans, who admit they don't much like Kate, are taunting the haters who cannot reply since they're suspended. I think this may go on forever.
I just read that the owner of a revenge-porn site (people would post pictures and videos of an ex or enemy, and the owner would charge the person in the video to have it removed) was charged with conspiracy, extortion, and a few other things. Hmmm, posting negative things about others and charging them money to take it down... sounds like...McGibney! I hope there's similar charges in the works for him. He is doing the same thing (without the porn).
As someone who's Jewish and slightly agnostic, and with a Catholic sister and Buddhist nephew,
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Wow, very cool!
To me, people who throw religion out there use it as a crutch. Much like tfw uses being a "mom" as her way to justify herself, it can be used to try to manipulate and even shame you.
I agree with Joy, Tucker's Mom and Insert Creative Username. I didn't see anything wrong with CU's tweet and thought it was pretty benign. I didn't take it as her accusing anyone of not being a Christian nor did I detect a superior/smug attitude in the tweet.
Admin said: "I think she should just ignore the hate whether she thinks it's "mean" or not." In a perfect world with perfect people we'd all ignore, ignore, ignore. Unfortunately none of us is perfect and it probably just got to be too much for her. I agree with Insert Creative Username and think that she probably did say a prayer about it that night.
And here we have the latest list of the most-hated celebs:
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-hated-celebrities-of-2012-2013-5?op=1
Jon is #10. Kate is #6. last time the sheep claimed the list was faked or altered or something. But--take a look for yourselves, sheep! She's there, and she's more hated than Jon, Kris Jenner, Kim Kardashian, Chris Brown, Kanye....
I just read about the two boys (fifth graders) who were suspended from a Fawn Grove PA school for pointing imaginary weapons at each other. They were both given a weapons charge. Good grief. That's taking it too far.
The fifth grader was disciplined at South Eastern Middle School-West, in Fawn Grove, in October, where Principal Jon Horton categorized Johnny’s actions as threatening: playfully using his hands to draw the bowstring on an imaginary bow to “shoot” an arrow at his friend, who had pretended to shoot him with a pencil, according to Whitehead. Horton then suspended both boys for violating the school’s code of conduct, which bans weapons, including any “replica” or “look-alike.”
Full article at:
http://ca.shine.yahoo.com/blogs/parenting/fifth-grader-suspended-for-aiming-imaginary-weapon-in-class-190850517.html
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I just read about the two boys (fifth graders) who were suspended from a Fawn Grove PA school for pointing imaginary weapons at each other. They were both given a weapons charge. Good grief. That's taking it too far.
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And I read that a 5 or 6 yr old boy was suspended for "sexual harassment" for kissing a girl classmate's hand.
Between the Kardasians and stupid sh*t like this, sometimes I think this country is bound to go the way of the Roman Empire.
On a brighter note, I *love* the Goldberg's too!
I hope the numbers are strong and it gets picked up again. The iconic cultural touchstones keep coming every single episode.
I think I even wrote about it here once. One episode, the mom kept on finding ways to make her youngest need to cling to her and hug her, because he was growing up too fast.
I kept thinking that I never once saw that kind of affection and longing from TFW, especially towards any of the boys.
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Hank seems to search for exactly how to address his experience with Kate (starts with "interesting" which means he had nothing good to say), but falls back on the fact that she's got 8 kids and is raising them all alone. Blah, blah, lather, rinse, repeat.
When did Jon pass away again?
How's that Kool-Aid taste, Hank?
For NJGal and any other Sons of Anarchy.fans. NO SPOILERS
Ew.com has interviews with cast and writer talking about this.season and esp the finale.
Jimmy Smits, Katey Sagal, Charlie Hunnam, CCH Pounder, the entire cast is so fabulous and talented.
Kurt had always said SOA is based on or inspired by Hamlet. He wasn't kidding! All we need now are a few ghosts.
In a strange way I always thought Hank was kind of sweet about Kate. Until Kate insulted Kendra's mothering he tried so hard to be diplomatic. He wasn't a sheeple he was more just trying to be a gentleman, I felt.
Where's that new lawsuit against Robert that the BV minions were crowing about last week?
I sure hope Robert didn't have to make a deal with TFW for the dismissed case. He's been awfully quiet about her. Makes one wonder.
This is why she shouldn't have done that. She's just made it worse. When you expand that tweet, you can see that it has TEN THOUSAND replies. Ten thousand!
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That is the difference between disengaging and escalating. Had CU disengaged all would have soon faded away. However she chose to escalate the drama and feed the fire. That is also the difference between a secure and mature adult and one who is not yet there.
If someone ever told me that they would pray to Jesus for me concerning my behavior I would be hugely offended.
I think one of the issues with celebrity wife swap was that Kate could never in a million years admit that a more laid back approach to parenting could work just as effectively as her concentration camp approach because then what does that say about Kate? That she was wrong. And Kate can never be wrong.
I hated the "confrontation" because it became, yet again, all about Kate. Did Kendra get to dispense any constructive criticism? I truly can't remember if she did.
Was Kate trying to sell herself as the next nanny reality show candidate? "Watch this week as Kate helps a family of quads learn how to set appropriate boundaries, cook all organically and sell their children to reality television?" I'll take Jo Frost of Supernanny fame over Kate any day.
While it is ridiculous to charge a 6 year or any child under 16 for bringing weapons or weapon like things to school, or kissing a girl, there are rules. If some of these parents would get off the phone, with their needy friends and spend about 20 mins reading the rules of their child school(which most are available on the net), then maybe we as a society would not have 6 years or older kids arrested/suspended for breaking the rules. If your school says don't bring weapons or weapon like things to school, then don't bring them. It's as simple as that. Just as it is simple to read the notices that go home with your kid, and since people love to talk on their phones, they can easily call the school and question the polices. People just make life hard for themselves. Just like not reading the instructions on how something works, then getting mad, when you can't get it to work, or it works wrong. It's a common sense thing.
When Kendra tried to explain where Kate could improve Deanna jumped in and said what Kate needs to change is to allow time for herself. I about fell off my chair since Kate should have learned anything but that. Nothing about the chores or not enough time to just be kids or locked treehouse or regimented schedule. Not a thing learned and Kendra didn't push the issue.
Not a thing learned and Kendra didn't push the issue.
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For fear that Kate would unhinge her jaw and eat her for breakfast.
Kate goes to the spa without exception.
Kate goes on trips, well padded trips so that she has her "me" time.
Kate travels 3 hours away to get her hair done.
Kate's got a plethora of hired help.
Kate's children have a father whom they see and stay with weekly.
I also noticed on CWS, they showed Cara and Mady's extracurricular activities schedule-- violin and soccer. But, nothing for the tups.
Why would kate tack on Hank Basketts twitter name on her tweets? Is she crazy? When kate was there and HB was listening to her and her rambling, he kept looking at her like, there is something off here, I just can't put my finger on it.
I couldn't believe kate thought she could go into that home and bulldoze Hank Jr., make him drink the Kool-Aid, (kates brainwashing)and put him under submission. Didn't work kate. The lies that came out of her mouth in that home.
kate was soooo jealous of Kendra's life she couldn't stand it. I am worried that she really took it out on the kids when Deanna tattle taled on the kids when kate back home. Take names, seriously.
On CNN today, the music group Cheap Trick has canceled their concert that was scheduled at Sea World in Orlando because of a Change.org petition that was started to get them to cancel because of all the abuse. Also canceling shows are Heart, (Ann and Nancy Wilson), Willie Nelson and Bare Naked Ladies. Sea World must of asked Willie Nelson to play and he said no. They must of begged because he said he would not change his mind and he Refuses to play at Sea World. And he said I. Mean. It.
Yea! Happy Dance! The whale shows should be shut down and only used for rescue, rehab and getting them back out into the ocean.
Layla said... 92
I just read that the owner of a revenge-porn site (people would post pictures and videos of an ex or enemy, and the owner would charge the person in the video to have it removed) was charged with conspiracy, extortion, and a few other things. Hmmm, posting negative things about others and charging them money to take it down... sounds like...McGibney! I hope there's similar charges in the works for him. He is doing the same thing (without the porn).
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I thought BV did catch some heat recently regarding a couple from CA who were allegedly going to sue him. Long story short, some unknown person posted on CheaterVille that the husband was cheating on his wife with a man. The couple vehemently denied this and asked CheaterVille to remove it. Of course, CheaterVille wanted $350.00 to remove it. Google the article to read the whole thing, I don't want to give BV any more attention. If I'm not mistaken, CA just passed a law making it illegal to charge people to remove slander from their websites, while hiding behind the DMCA. Other states need to step up and quickly. This is a really shi**y loophole that is being exploited to the fullest.
Getofftwitter - yes, parents should be involved in their children's lives, including reading the district student handbook.
At the same time, is it rational to have these zero tolerance policies in place when at the same time we tolerate violence in the cartoons and movies our children regularly watch? It's a mixed message, in my opinion.
Now don't get me wrong. I am not saying children should be allowed access to weapons at school or to bring Dad's hunting rifle or knife for show and tell.
However, children play "Batman", they play "G.I. Joe" or "Star Wars" and unless you are going to ban imaginative play, then the adult administrators at the school need to use common sense as well. Zero tolerance should never equate to zero thought. That is my opinion and I know others will disagree with it, which is fine.
I do want to add that in the case of the kissing hand boy, this wasn't a first time incident, but rather his parents had been spoken to before about this and other incidents of not respecting personal space. While again I think the consequence is a bit extreme, I can understand the frustration an administrator might feel that would lead them to respond this way. I'm not saying it's the best or right way to respond, just that I understand it.
getofftwitter said... 104
If your school says don't bring weapons or weapon like things to school, then don't bring them. It's as simple as that.
...and since people love to talk on their phones, they can easily call the school and question the polices.
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Did you read the article? One kid used a pencil to 'pretend' he was shooting it at a classmate and he returned fire with an 'imaginary' bow and arrow. So let's take away pencils and tell them to leave their imaginations at home, too? That's George Orwell's Thought Police in full dress uniform for crying out loud.
The parents of the boy who shot the imaginary arrow did get on the phone...to an attorney.
According to the article about the boy suspended, one boy pretended to shoot him with a pencil, and the boy used an imaginary bow to shoot back. Will pencils have to be taken out of classrooms now?
Not sure how the schools can make rules against using one's imagination. Boys have been playing cops/robbers and cowboys/indians forever. Maybe we should just have their adrenal glands removed at birth in hopes of preventing the flow of testosterone?
The real heartbreak is that society cannot come up with a way to deal with troubled children like ones who perpetrate these school shooting horrors upon us. They're troubled and many times need psychological counseling at the very least. Private care is so expensive that insurance companies won't handle it long term. State provided care is atrocious because there are not enough people in the system to handle all the red tape, reams of ever-changing rules and regulations and bureaucracy created by any government run agency.
Reading up from bottom, but had to say...
My dd started karate at 4, to be able to physically defend herself.
i always banned even shooting gestures, and she knew why.
When en ;darling nefews born of military family started " shooting", I put my foot down.
Dat's it. period.
bro and sil supported me, and mine, saw it was cool.
We stood together for Mandela yesterday, in different provinces.
BTW, the boys realise guns kill, it is NOT LIKE THE GAME.
Peace out
franky
PS, dd is a Brownbelt in Kyocushin Karate, registered with the authorities, Kudos to her.
9 years training, 8-12 hours a week.
Now, she has self-confidence, and stands for her friends.
Couldn't be prouder=)
franky
AuntieAnn said... 111
getofftwitter said... 104
The parents of the boy who shot the imaginary arrow did get on the phone...to an attorney.
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Speed. Dial. Shawn. Tuma. !!!
Lukebndit? really?
omg, may fave groups denied to play?..
YES!!!!!!!!!!
Think that ws 8...
YEAH!! happy dance.
ps, smart android phones are stoopid, and too blame for typos! =)
franky
I was just in line at the grocery store and Kate is on the December 16 cover of Star magazine. It's a 2 page article (one page of text one page of photos with captions) about how she is spending the kids money on her plastic surgery, hair, travel and help. Their "source" states that her claim that she personally put the bulk away into college funds for the kids is a lie because she had the trust worded so that she can access the money for family expenses. Also, they pointed out that when Kate says Steve is no longer her bodyguard what she is omitting is that he's her road manager at a cost of (I think it was) $800 a day plus expenses. It goes on to say that she had about 10 million when the show ended and she's down to $200,000. It also discusses how Kate had wanted to make Steve trustee of the kids' trust but Jon complained.
Not a flattering article.
If your school says don't bring weapons or weapon like things to school, then don't bring them. It's as simple as that.
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A pencil is a weapon? Mass destruction? How much ammo does a pencil hold? I'm clueless about these things. What if the child used his finger and aimed it at the wall? Is the school going to ban fingers?
Regarding Carrie Underwood's tweet, I think there is a big difference between tweets critical of her performance and tweets that are just nasty. We see it in the tweets to Kate, as well. People should be held accountable for their words. It is NOT ok to say ugly things to people. If you wouldn't tell the person those words in person, don't tweet them. Some of those people need help, and I'm not talking about prayer.
Holly @Hollybm78 58m
What to do at the end of a bad day....watch Kate plus 8 on Netflix. @Kateplusmy8 I luv ya girlie ❤
Oh, yes. That's what we all need. When we have a bad day, what better way to make everything right in the world than to listen to Kate whine and fuss at Jon, throw down moose hotdogs and act like a spoiled child. Such joy she would bring into our lives when we have bad days. Geez...
silimom said that she saw Kate Gosselin on cover of Star magazine at grocery store December 16. Question is "it's only December 11" Wonder if she's talking about 2012?????????
silimom said... 117
I was just in line at the grocery store and Kate is on the December 16 cover of Star magazine. It's a 2 page article (one page of text one page of photos with captions) about how she is spending the kids money
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So, why isn't Kate suing Star magazine? Hmm... could it be because they're not in possession of her journals etc.?
Those are some serious allegations. Yet, some are not, like Steve being road manager. Kate's copped to that.
If there's any truth that she's blown through over 9 million, then that's astonishing.
I don't buy it personally.
If she's down to $200K, she'd have creditors calling and Mr. Repo man knocking at her door.
Layla said... 95
And here we have the latest list of the most-hated celebs:
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-hated-celebrities-of-2012-2013-5?op=1
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Layla, I think this speaks volumes. Long after Kate's show was cancelled, she's still thought of negatively by most who even bother to think about her. Why would anyone give her a tv show or even a spot on a decent talk show? She has nothing to offer.
About the fans/non-fan stuff. I had some time today while waiting for an appointment and did a quick tour of the fan blogs. These days, they really aren't fan blogs - they're more of a 'let's see which haters we can discuss and malign today" and one of the blogs does little but copy/paste discussions from here. Nice to know we're so interesting! : )
What's so great about this blog is that when the Gosselin stuff is quiet (and even when it's not) we can have intelligent discussions about all kinds of things. I didn't see that on any of the so-called fan blogs.
silimom said... 117
It goes on to say that she had about 10 million when the show ended and she's down to $200,000.
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I find this part very hard to believe. The show only ended two years ago. Is it even possible for her to have spent over nine and a half million in two years? lol
Other than that, it sounds as if The Star's "source" is nothing more than what can be found online. We already knew all that other stuff.
$200,000- don't know if it's true, but that's not a whole lot of do-re-mi anymore!
And here we have the latest list of the most-hated celebs:
http://www.businessinsider.com/most-hated-celebrities-of-2012-2013-5?op=1
Jon is #10. Kate is #6. 495
Other than that, it sounds as if The Star's "source" is nothing more
than what can be found online. We already knew all that other stuff.
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But how the mighty have fallen. I wonder how many of kate's "haters" they surveyed to get these results The following quote is about stars
losing likeability (a separate list), but I imagine the first list was
compiled in a similar manner.
Oops, the quote from business insider got cut off. Here it is:
E-pool crunched the numbers based on responses to 1,100 surveys
to tell us which stars lost the most likeability.
Anonymous said... 113
Reading up from bottom, but had to say...
My dd started karate at 4, to be able to physically defend herself.
i always banned even shooting gestures, and she knew why.
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franky, kudos to your dd for pursuing the very disciplined art of karate. However, I respectfully submit that the only bullet a karate strike will stop is an imaginary one.
I don't believe she spent all of those millions already, either. I don't think she would be that dumb when it comes to her money, because if it is gone, then she won't be able to live her 'star' lifestyle anymore. And we know how important that kind of life is to her. I just can't see it.
Her lifestyle suggests the money has not run out yet but it has to run out eventually right? She has no steady income and it can't be true she possibly saved enough just to live off the interest. That would be surprising. She's so mediocre at everything else, what are the chances that the one thing she's actually good at are finances??
It goes on to say that she had about 10 million when the show ended and she's down to $200,000.
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I wouldn't believe anything they put out. I looked up a few people I know, and had to laugh. It was more than just a few million dollars off.
Zach Poldoian @ZachPoldoian 6m
@kateplusmy8 sent you a heartfelt email on a memior book am writing of my life & about who am as person. Need help on book publishing.
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While you're tweeting for advice, why not ask the best way to promote the book and schedule book signings? :)
Don't worry about Kate. Even if she never finds another good-paying gig on reality tv she'll latch on to some rich dumb idiot whom she'll use to finance her high-maintenance lifestyle. For some reason women like her always find a way and a man to pave it. She might call it being resourceful but in reality she's called a gold digger.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 130
''....She's so mediocre at everything else, what are the chances that the one thing she's actually good at are finances?''
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I think that the revelation the other day after a poster googled Steve's wife and discovered where she works is a possible answer to your question. The other possibility is that TFMJG is indeed using the money from the children's ''college funds'' to maintain her current life style. There have been way too many times when TFW has made it clear that the $$$ from the shows are HER money. In MY opinion, she has used financial advice to protect HER money, and is using the college funds to support them all now.
If she is dipping into their trusts, it may shock her how quickly those will deplete.
This is exactly what Missy Francis's mom did. A little here a little there from Missy's trust. By the time Missy was old enough to understand enough about her money to investigate what was going on, the trust was significantly reduced. She then chose to open her own secret account and quietly deposited checks into it. The image of a CHILD secretly going to the bank and secretly maintaining an account just so her mother won't mess with it is heartbreaking. A child should be able to put their money in the bank without fear an adult will mess with it.
Missy had an unusual interest in finances and ended up pursuing a career in financial journalism. Even as a child she was interested in stocks. Had she not had an interest in investigating her own finances, she might have lost everything instead of just some of it.
Remona, good to see you! I think one possibility is that Steve advised her well on money. He is one of the few people she would listen to. Plus, he has a vested interest in making sure she is rich as possible. He wants his paycheck when she needs a boobyguard. If she is out of money Steve will have to go.
Kate Gosselin@Kateplusmy829m
Joel&Hannah were playing w Zorro.Hannah called Z 'friend'
Me,kidding:He's like ur brother
Joel:But what if he's an 'only bird(child)'?
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Today's daily cute kid quotes.
Oh, and possibly grifting.
I googled Gina's occupation and it looks like she's an admin assistant and processes insurance applications. It doesn't look like she's a financial advisor or involved in investments. Perhaps she pulled TFW in as a client for her company?
TFW's spending choices do not make sense to me. The kids don't get vacations, but she pays Steve to go on vacations with her. For the amount of money it would cost to pay Steve and pay a babysitter, she could afford to do something with the kids. She made such a big deal about the places they were able to go because of the show, but now it seems like she's more interested in making sure that she and Steve get to go places than the children. She spends on a new Audi and frivolous lawsuits, yet the kids look like ragamuffins in their too-big clothes. She hoards cheap butter and cheese, but still goes to NYC to have her hair done. She pays for private school for 8 kids, but won't pay for lessons or extracurricular activities. She pays a thousand dollars on a bird (and accessories) but complains about the cost of organic milk for the kids. She feeds the kids pizza and canned beans with cheese, but shells out for fish in paper for herself.
She comes off as a cheapskate in some areas (milk, kids' clothes and food) but the areas where she does spend (herself) far outstrip what she saves by cutting corners where the kids are concerned. She doesn't save enough using coupons to pay for the Audi. She can't possibly save enough on the kids' clothes to pay for Steve's "companionship". She saves small amounts and spends large amounts. That is not financially healthy, no matter how much she made from the show.
TFW is not working and has a lot of free time, a lot. She is still spending.
During her bootleg legal stunt she needed to appear the victim. So once again she was crying the "single mom supporting 8" line. And I loved her remark about how reality tv doesn't pay what people think. For years she has said that is the only way this family can survive financially.
Great PR campaign.
I think she still has plenty of money, money those children brought in. But maybe not enough for her to live the lifestyle she wants for the rest of her life.
TFW has no plans of doing anything work related but being a celebrity. Her focus is not having a steady stream of income, her focus is to be on television, it has always been.
A Mom 121 -- Magazines are usually dated a week ahead of their release date. So a magazine published on 12/9/2013 would be dated 12/16/2013. Next time you're in the store, check out the covers. Unless it's an old magazine, the publication dates will be in the future.
Layla, penny wise and pound foolish.
She did not need the Audi. She had the Mercedes van and the SUV. The Audi in no way shape or form saves money. How many decent vacations could they have gone on with the money she spent on the Audi? At least four, probably. I'm not sure how she drives that guilt free given what the money could have bought for her children.
How many decent vacations could they have gone on with the money she spent on the Audi?
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That was a selfish decision. Part of being a parent is putting your children's needs certainly, but even their wants, ahead of your own.
I don't have a problem if a grown adult wants to buy themselves an expensive toy. It's their money to do what they want with it. BUT if you have kids it's not fair to say you are piecing and patching it together and complain about how you need your television show to go on all the trips, and deprive your kids of things like gymnastics. Those sort of things need to also be covered for you to be able to "afford" a sports car. You cannot "afford" a sports car if it means that the kids aren't getting equal treatment.
I agree, it was selfish. I have believed since nearly the beginning that this entire thing was about KATE and KATE wanting a certain lifestyle. The kids were simply a means to an end. It was never about giving the KIDS certain things or that sports car would never have been purchased, not to mention everything else she's pampered herself with, starting with the house.
Another expense for her ego this year, suing the children's father with allegations she later backed down on completely. If a normal adult is patching and piecing, and unemployed, does she spend the money to enter into a lawsuit only to back out of in under 3 months?
How many decent vacations could they have gone on with the money she spent on the Audi?
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Do we know that she's not leasing those three vehicles? Regardless, she didn't need three cars.
Zach Poldoian @ZachPoldoian 6m
@kateplusmy8 sent you a heartfelt email on a memior book am writing of my life & about who am as person. Need help on book publishing.
Well, that didn't take long. Gladys couldn't keep her nose out of it, and now the prospective author is her bestie. She befriended him. Good gawd.
Maybe she rationalizes that she was deprived as a child and wants material things to make up for it. But the years are slipping by. It is their time now. Maybe she doesn't realize she really is "MAKING memories" now for her own children. What will they grow up missing and wanting, perhaps feeling cheated out of?
There is a time when it hits you as an adult, a parent, that "it's about someone else now..." For some it is an easy transition, and doing for your children, providing for them, experiences and things, takes the very place of wanting an expensive sports car.
Layla said... 138
''I googled Gina's occupation and it looks like she's an admin assistant and processes insurance applications. It doesn't look like she's a financial advisor or involved in investments.''
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Layla, look at the name of the firm where she is listed as an admin assistant. She works for/at XML Financial Group. Do you believe that she doesn't know any of the financial advisors at her work place? I rest my case.
A Mom said... 121
silimom said that she saw Kate Gosselin on cover of Star magazine at grocery store December 16. Question is "it's only December 11" Wonder if she's talking about 2012?????????
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Nope, what she said is true. I saw it yesterday at the grocery store. Today's date is 11 December 2013. Seems easy to understand to me.
Sleepless In Seattle said... 145
How many decent vacations could they have gone on with the money she spent on the Audi?
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Do we know that she's not leasing those three vehicles? Regardless, she didn't need three cars.
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Well, even if she WAS leasing all three of them, that doesn't make them free. Leasing a car takes money.
Leasing would be worse. You usually end up spending more. There are no financial advisors that recommend leasing if you want to save money. They are only for people who can 1. afford it and 2. like always driving a new car without the hassle of ownership. A car like that leased would be 450-600 a month, easily. Probably more. Except the payments never end. They go on and on forever until you decide to lease your next car. So how many vacations would a LEASE be? Probably even more than buying a car.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 135
If she is dipping into their trusts, it may shock her how quickly those will deplete.
This is exactly what Missy Francis's mom did. A little here a little there from Missy's trust. By the time Missy was old enough to understand enough about her money to investigate what was going on, the trust was significantly reduced. She then chose to open her own secret account and quietly deposited checks into it. The image of a CHILD secretly going to the bank and secretly maintaining an account just so her mother won't mess with it is heartbreaking. A child should be able to put their money in the bank without fear an adult will mess with it.
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I read this book. As a child, Missy landed many job and continued to receive residual checks. (I wonder if she still receives for her time on Little House). The mom spent huge amounts - buying horses for her and her sister. private school and an expensive car for her birthday. Also, Missy and her sister were sent for skating lessons and allowed to shop for clothes ( such as furs). Missy describes one Christmas where the entire living room is full of 100 presents for her and her sister.
Its a pity some sort of savings plan was not in place so that the majority of funds was available when Missy really needed it - college.
The mom should have been given a small salary for assisting Missy and they should have tried to live within a lifestyle the dad and mom's salary could provide and then save the rest.
The dad owned his own company and seemed well off.
Well, even if she WAS leasing all three of them, that doesn't make them free. Leasing a car takes money.
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Ah, but she may not think like that. A few hundred a month would seem like a lot less than laying out forty grand at one shot.
She works for/at XML Financial Group.
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Thanks Remona. I tried googling it but kept coming up with diddly.
So Steve saw what kind of $$ she was making from exploiting her family (thank you Bethanny for calling her on that, btw) and advised her, or referred to her to Gina for advice on money matters since his wife was formerly employed at a personal wealth investment firm in NZ and now another like firm in the US. It all makes sense now. No wonder Kate holds on to Uncle Steve and Auntie Gina.
Well, she tweeted twice tonight and then her third tweet was that she was going to bed because she was sooo tired from having done a little running in the basement with the kids (guess that toe is all better) and had done "hot yoga" today. (I have no idea what hot yoga is.) She tweeted just enough to get her responses up on her timeline.
She really needs to find something to do with her life.
getofftwitter said,
"silimom said that she saw Kate Gosselin on cover of Star magazine at grocery store December 16. Question is "it's only December 11" Wonder if she's talking about 2012?????????
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The current issue of Star is dated December 16...and there she is on the cover.
http://www.pdfmagaz.in/02061212-star-magazine-16-december-2013/
Hot yoga is where it's like a sauna and you sweat. It can be very dangerous. It is also so 2010. Try to keep up Kate.
Here's the post on Missy. The quotes are pretty disturbing. She estranged her mom after her mom stole from her for years and her sister ODed. History tends to repeat itself.
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2013/05/diary-of-stage-mothers-daughter-you.html?m=0
Besides her way of eating (or not eating rather) I think this applies to her too. Anorexia athletica (exercise anorexia)
Symptoms of anorexia athletica include:
Exercising more than is good for our health.
Being fanatical about our weight and diet.
Taking time off work, school and relationships to exercise.
Focusing on the challenge exercise poses and forgetting that it can be fun.
Believing that our self-worth depends on our physical performance.
Rarely being satisfied by what we achieve physically.
Saying that this exercise is okay because we are athletes, or insisting that the behaviour is healthy.
Re finances of celebrities, made me think about some stories I heard about members of the Ramones rock band. Joey Ramone, who dies from leukemia I think, wrote a song about financial reporter Maria Bartiromo. He watched her every day to check out how his stocks were doing. And Johnny Ramone was noted to be very frugal. I once read an interview with a local musician who talked about meeting the Ramones after a show in Richmond VA. And the guy, who was a teen fan then, asked where they were staying. And the guys in the band told him they didn't spend money on hotels if they could drive back home to NYC . They would take turns driving their own van. No tour buses or fancy hotels for those guys. They saved their money and invested it.
I have been reading interviews and articles about Saving Mr Banks, the new movie coming out son about the making of Mary Poppins. Ew.com had an interview with Karen Dotrice who was the Banks daughter in Mary Poppins. The article is titled ”Mary Poppins Star Talks 50th Anniversary and Saving Mr Banks”. Here is an interesting quote:
”I was always wondering why Walt, who I was allowed to call Uncle Walt, was so nice to me. He brought my mother, two sisters over to America, put us up in this gorgeous house in the Hollywood Hills, I had a car and driver, and I wondered why. It took fifty years to find out... When he was eight he was given such a horrible childhood by his parents. So I guess he looked at and right year old child such as myself and thought 'ok if she's going to work its going to be a magical experience and something she'll never forget.' And now it makes sense to me... He gave me everything he obviously didn't have.”
I really want to see Saving Mr Banks, it sounds like a very interesting exploration of the creative process. Richard Sherman, one of the songwriters for Poppins, is still living and helped with the authenticity of the sessions with Mrs. Travers, the author portrayed by Emma Thompson.
Is it possible she went from 10 million to $200,000 in just two years? I'd have to agree, I doubt it. But then I don't think she necessarily had 10 million in the bank. I think at the time, wasn't the number being bandied about something like $5 million? I could be wrong, but I remember several of us did the math and figured that, living within her means, she could comfortably live off the interest and work part time as a nurse. That was of course with giving up the current house and putting the kids in public school.
Anyone care to do the math on what her monthly/yearly expenses look like? She's probably spending around $60,000 a year on the kids school (that's assuming it's $5000 per kid for tuition. But please correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not sure how much LCD school runs). The mortgage runs her I think someone said $6,000 a month (but before anyone jumps on me, please know I acknowledge that these are only based on heresay and there's been a lot of different numbers thrown out over the years, so this could be way off) at one point? Plus there's insurance, maintenance, and property taxes, not to mention income taxes. Food, clothing, payments for three cars (if she's leasing), auto insurance on those vehicles, her traveling expenses, plastic surgeries, Steve's salary, the book printing, etc. So could she have gone through 5 million? It's possible, but I think she's probably got 2-3 more years if she's solely living off her capital in the trust(s).
I think the bottom line is that unless she starts working, whether it be in nursing or tv, she will eventually run out, especially if she keeps her current standard of living.
It's just a sad, sad situation.
(Leslie)
Admin. why don't you think Kate has tried to sue Star magazine and the other really low level trash magazines when they make blanant lies about her. I doubt she "steals" from her kids. Yes, she probably uses the trust money for their living but she is allowed to do that. We all know that she loves to sue, and Star magazine and such probably have big money bags.
A Mom said:
silimom said that she saw Kate Gosselin on cover of Star magazine at grocery store December 16. Question is "it's only December 11" Wonder if she's talking about 2012?????????
"In the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom, the standard practice is to display on magazine covers a date which is some weeks or months in the future from the actual publishing/release date. There are two reasons for this discrepancy: first, to allow magazines to continue appearing "current" to consumers even after they have been on sale for some time (since not all magazines will be sold immediately), and second, to inform newsstands when an unsold magazine can be removed from the stands and returned to the publisher or be destroyed (in this case, the cover date is also the pull date).[1]"
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Another expense for her ego this year, suing the children's father with allegations she later backed down on completely. If a normal adult is patching and piecing, and unemployed, does she spend the money to enter into a lawsuit only to back out of in under 3 months?
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"Money stands for love in the narcissist's emotional vocabulary. Having been deprived of love early on in his childhood, the narcissist constantly seeks for love substitutes. To him, money is THE love substitute. All the qualities of the narcissist are manifest in his relationship with money, and in his attitude towards it. Due to his sense of entitlement - he feels that he is entitled to other people's money. His grandiosity leads him to believe that he should have, or does have more money than he actually has. This leads to reckless spending, to pathological gambling, to substance abuse, or to compulsive shopping. Their magical thinking leads narcissists to irresponsible and short-sighted behavior, the results of which they believe themselves to be immune from. So, they descend to debt, they commit financial crimes, they hassle people, including their closest relatives. Their fantasies lead them to believe in financial (fabricated) "facts" (achievements) - incommensurate with their talents, qualifications, jobs, and resources. They pretend to be richer than they are, or capable of becoming rich, if they so resolve. They have a love-hate ambivalent relationship with money. They are mean, stingy, and calculating with their own money - and spendthrift with OPM (other people's money). They live lavishly, well above their means. The often go bankrupt and ruin their businesses. Reality very rarely matches their grandiose fantasies. Nowhere is the grandiosity gap more evident than where money is involved.
Holly @Hollybm78 58m
What to do at the end of a bad day....watch Kate plus 8 on Netflix. @Kateplusmy8 I luv ya girlie ❤
Oh, yes. That's what we all need. When we have a bad day, what better way to make everything right in the world than to listen to Kate whine and fuss at Jon, throw down moose hotdogs and act like a spoiled child. Such joy she would bring into our lives when we have bad days. Geez
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It would make my day better because I would be grateful for the wonderful life I have. Show me how to not treat my family and friends. Make me appreciate the people in my life that have been in it forever...
basically be and do the exact opposite of tfw
Somehow, I just don't see how TFW had 10M after her show ended. Robert wrote that TFW and Jon made a little under 2M in 2008. In 2009, she wasn't doing as many speaking engagements and the show was halted for awhile (due to the divorce). So if they were lucky they made the same amount in 2009. And then K+8. I agree with Robert that TLC didn't pay her 250K an episode, when they were only paying her and Jon $22,500. That's just too big a leap. But she didn't even make 10M before taxes in all those years, so how did she end up with more money than she made? Julie C May got 15% of everything she helped set up--negotiating salaries for the show, speaking engagements, etc.(Her contract stipulating the 15% is in Robert's book). Then taxes, and the family's living expenses. It just doesn't add up. Oh, she had plenty, by normal peoples' standards, but she has spent wildly on herself. The one thing she spends a lot for, for the kids, is tuition. LCDS's lower school is $14K per child, per year. Times 8 kids! Plus fees for busing them to school. That's a lot, but I think it's a vanity/prestige thing for her. It all comes back to her.
So, I don't agree with the 10M number, but I also don't think she's broke. She is still spending pretty freely on herself. The book and the lawsuit and the Audi are all frivolous, unnecessary, and expensive. I'd like to think she wouldn't spend so foolishly if she were running out of money. Or maybe she has convinced herself that a new show will pop up and save her from ruin. After all, she's God's favorite, right? God provides for her and only her (in her delusional little mind, at least).
I can't figure out why she doesn't sue Star either except she may figure bad publicity is good publicity or she wants the world to think she is close to broke and needs a tv show.
I do believe she has spent a good deal of the money but I doubt she is down to $200k. If that was the case, the house would be on the market. I will say that she is paying more than $5k per kid at that school. I had a friend who was paying $23k a year for his daughter at a similar school. However, I bet she is getting a discounted tuition but still big expense and she has many years to go.
I found out months ago about where Gina worked just by Googling her. I suspect she and Steve talked Kate into using an investment advisor from her company. I also remember Kate did indeed name Steve as trustee but Jon got that removed. Now how odd is that for her to name Steve over Jon as the kids' trustee? Tells you something there doesn't it? That man has plenty of control over Kate and you have to ask why. This guy morphed from TLC bodyguard into an intimate, trusted advisor and companion. Sounds manipulative to me and taking advantage of someone who doesn't have all their marbles. Of course, Kate had delusions of grandeur and everyone was feeding the monster so I guess Steve, and perhaps Gina, were just jumping in on the gravy train too.
Silimom - I think if someone is anyone wants to do the math they have to figure that insurance and property taxes are rolled into the mortgage. However, she's probably got to pay health insurance. Also, and this is just speculation, if she's got legal custody (or whatever they're calling it) she might get to take all 8 off her taxes. That might give her a big break come April 15th. Who knows what other tax breaks she gets.
getofftwitter said... 104
While it is ridiculous to charge a 6 year or any child under 16 for bringing weapons or weapon like things to school, or kissing a girl, there are rules. If some of these parents would get off the phone, with their needy friends and spend about 20 mins reading the rules of their child school(which most are available on the net), then maybe we as a society would not have 6 years or older kids arrested/suspended for breaking the rules. If your school says don't bring weapons or weapon like things to school, then don't bring them. It's as simple as that. Just as it is simple to read the notices that go home with your kid, and since people love to talk on their phones, they can easily call the school and question the polices. People just make life hard for themselves. Just like not reading the instructions on how something works, then getting mad, when you can't get it to work, or it works wrong. It's a common sense thing.
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I guess when the 6 year returns to school he'll have to leave his arms at home, since all he did was mimic shooting an arrow. Same for the child who kissed a girl's hand, he should leave his lips at home during school hours.
School administrators need to concentrate on providing an unbiased education to kids nowadays rather than worrying about pc crap and suspending kids for innocent actions.
I am guessing based upon her yearly expenses with no job but some investment income she will be completely broke in 3 to 5 years.
I think she could have easily blown through the money, but not until she's blown through the kids' money first. If TFW has any access at all to spend money that is not "hers" she will do it, and do it first. Then she will spend "her" money. All her talk about trust funds is a joke, because if she set up a trust fund for the kids, she set it up with a clause where she has access to it and can spend it.
Although there's no use speculating, because we will all know for sure when she has no money left. That's an awfully expensive house to maintain with no money. Either she will sell it under the guise of "it's better for the kids to live in a more modest home", or the bank will take it away when she refuses to come to grips with the fact that she can't afford it.
Another really silly tweet about two of the kids and Zorro. She's really milking this bird for all he's worth! I didn't even 'get' what the cute comments meant. She really paints a poor picture of her supposedly intelligent kids!
Yeah, Insert, it must really irk her that Jin set up money for the kids that she cannot touch. I agree she us using the kids' money first to pay for the mortgage ( she says it is their house), school tuition, clothing, food, health insurance, etc. In other words, the kids will have nothing except for what Jon set aside.
LisaNH said... 170
School administrators need to concentrate on providing an unbiased education to kids nowadays rather than worrying about pc crap and suspending kids for innocent actions.
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Unfortunately that's not going to happen until parents stop suing (or threatening to sue) schools for apparent offenses. I'm not saying that all parents who sue schools due so for frivolous reasons, but those that do are the reason schools walk on eggshells.
TLC stinks said... 174
Yeah, Insert, it must really irk her that Jin set up money for the kids that she cannot touch. I agree she us using the kids' money first to pay for the mortgage ( she says it is their house), school tuition, clothing, food, health insurance, etc. In other words, the kids will have nothing except for what Jon set aside.
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Agree that Jon's trusts probably drive her crazy. I wouldn't be surprised if, when she runs out of money, she sues Jon/Trustee to get access to the trust. These are her kids so that's her money. They wouldn't be here without her! She deserves it!
Other 'celebs' have gone broke; why not Kate? She is very foolish to keep spending the way she does and maintaining her lavish lifestyle. It's a pity she is dragging eight children along with her for the crash.
getofftwitter said... 104
While it is ridiculous to charge a 6 year or any child under 16 for bringing weapons or weapon like things to school, or kissing a girl, there are rules.
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I don't think it's ridiculous to charge any child under 16 with bringing a weapon to school. If a 15 year-old brings a gun to school, there should be consequences. That's fundamentally different than middle school kids having a weapons charge filed for pointing "imaginary" weapons at each other.
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getofftwitter said... 104
While it is ridiculous to charge a 6 year or any child under 16 for bringing weapons or weapon like things to school, or kissing a girl, there are rules. If some of these parents would get off the phone, with their needy friends and spend about 20 mins reading the rules of their child school(which most are available on the net), then maybe we as a society would not have 6 years or older kids arrested/suspended for breaking the rules. If your school says don't bring weapons or weapon like things to school, then don't bring them. It's as simple as that. Just as it is simple to read the notices that go home with your kid, and since people love to talk on their phones, they can easily call the school and question the polices. People just make life hard for themselves. Just like not reading the instructions on how something works, then getting mad, when you can't get it to work, or it works wrong. It's a common sense thing.
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I guess when the 6 year returns to school he'll have to leave his arms at home, since all he did was mimic shooting an arrow. Same for the child who kissed a girl's hand, he should leave his lips at home during school hours.
School administrators need to concentrate on providing an unbiased education to kids nowadays rather than worrying about pc crap and suspending kids for innocent actions.
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This is what's wrong with zero tolerance policies and why they don't work.
You can not compare innocent imaginary play with a genuine act of violence. Had the kid pretending to shoot a pencil actually stabbed the other child with said pencil, fine...act of violence.
But two boys pretending to have a row in the schoolyard is most definitely not an act of violence, it's called PLAYING!
I really believe that all zero tolerance policies do is dumb down our society. Let's not think about and analyze each situation and get to the bottom of it but instead let's charge 6 year olds for playing. It's beyond the pale.
Another aspect of zero tolerance policies that I find abhorrent is when children are punished for defending themselves against bullies.
Victims are treated like the aggressor and the aggressor like the victim.
Don't you think that screws with our children's heads? Don't you think that completely greys the area between right and wrong?
Not to mention that it makes our children unable to think for themselves. Always having to turn to some authority figure to determine their next course of action turns capable thinking people into sheep.
No sir, zero tolerance policies are not at all a benefit to our society. IMO.
And Getofftwitter, I would think that yes, it is completely fair to charge a child for bringing a weapon to school...at least by the time they are 11 or 12, they should definitely know better by then, but especially at 16.
The thing is that is not what happened here or what is happening all over North America. Kids are being charged for freakin' PLAYING.
George Orwell was so far ahead of his time.
Sometimes I think Steve may at the end of the day be worse than Kate.
I don't see any evidence he ever tried to help her do the right thing, such as to stop filming the kids and not make stupid financial decisions, like hiring him for thousands of dollars when she could just use the provided store security. The pizza incident tells me everything I need to know about who comes first for both him and for her. I also get the sense from Jon that he was not very respectful of Jon's needs.
If he's helping her out with financial advisors you can bet he's getting his cut. And at the end of the day I do believe he's taken advantage of her stupidity and naivety to make buckets of money for himself. He has no incentive to gently try to encourage and steer her away from bad behavior and public nonsense, as I have heard from reliable sources that other friends of hers have tried to do.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 130
Admin, I still stand by my position that Kate is extremely skilled at being CHEAP. How could we ever forget coupongate? That said it all to me. She may be mediocre at most things, but being a skinflint is not one of them. She's always trying to find ways to skimp and save (meat slicer, baking 1000 cookies every few months, taking clothes to consignment store, stockpiling butter when it's on sale, I could go on for ever....) It's interesting though that she has no problem letting the world know how thrifty she is but she never lets the world know how/when that applies to herself. It's always about saving on the kids. This is just another reason why I can't stand this woman.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 130
Admin, I still stand by my position that Kate is extremely skilled at being CHEAP. How could we ever forget coupongate? That said it all to me. She may be mediocre at most things, but being a skinflint is not one of them. She's always trying to find ways to skimp and save (meat slicer, baking 1000 cookies every few months, taking clothes to consignment store, stockpiling butter when it's on sale, I could go on for ever....) It's interesting though that she has no problem letting the world know how thrifty she is but she never lets the world know how/when that applies to herself. It's always about saving on the kids. This is just another reason why I can't stand this woman.
I think sometimes I forget that financially speaking, it really has not been THAT long since she was swimming in buckets of money. It's only been a year and a half since the show was cancelled, right? Anyone should be able to live off all that money from six years of work for a year and a half.
I think the 3-5 year estimate is a lot more realistic. Talk to us in 3-5 years. How she is living now just a short time away from the show, versus how she will possibly be able to maintain this in 3-5 years could very well be shocking.
I think she knows deep down eventually she will be at a crossroads, but she may be in denial about what ultimately she will need to do to try to maintain a nice lifestyle, which includes a job away from the public eye. I think she is petrified to take a normal job, because she sees it as giving up and that it will take her off the market for media jobs. And yet the longer she stays out of the work force the harder it will be.
The ironic thing too is that Kate Gosselin returning to a normal job and life might be just as good of an idea for another reality show as any. She wants a reality show about trips and a lavish lifestyle, but I am certain there is no market left for that. BUT there COULD be a market left for something like a "return to normal" reality show. She just wouldn't lower herself.
Kate Plus 8 was cancelled in Sept. 2011.
Not to mention that it makes our children unable to think for themselves. Always having to turn to some authority figure to determine their next course of action turns capable thinking people into sheep.
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Agree. I can't stand it. This goes for so many adults in kids' lives. This is the kind of parent Kate is and it will not serve the children well. We've stripped kids of their independence. They can't even dip a toe in a puddle before some adult swoops in to whisk them away. Let them get muddy and wet. How else will they learn that it's cold and uncomfortable and that next time you shouldn't do that?
Little boys and some girls have been play acting "violence" since the beginning of time. What I find absurd is in those same schools senior year so many of them have Army recruiters come in and talk to the kids! So let me get this straight, no play acting battles but we'll let an Army officer come in and recruit you fresh out of high school to go kill real people, that's okay?
Unless we are prepared to be a society where violence and wars never occur, it is absurd to expect our young people not to have some innocent thoughts about that. And little kids act out their innocent thoughts all the time, that's how they express themselves. Leave them be.
Paper yes. I also wouldn't be surprised if she's still sending out 100 emails a day begging for freebies. If she gets even one response out of 100 that's still money saved.
We do know she just got some swimsuits free this summer. There have been other things recently that i can't recall that seemed like it was probably a freebie.
I mean swimsuits times eight, that is a major expense to check off your list. Lots of money saved.
Does anyone else remember when a boy was suspended from school for bringing a plastic picnic-type knife to school? It was packed in his lunch bag so he could spread something on crackers. No knives policy kicked in and he got suspended. He had the reputation of being a great kid, but there was this plastic knife thing on his record...
Ridiculous.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said...(186)
"Little boys and some girls have been play acting "violence" since the beginning of time. What I find absurd is in those same schools senior year so many of them have Army recruiters come in and talk to the kids! So let me get this straight, no play acting battles but we'll let an Army officer come in and recruit you fresh out of high school to go kill real people, that's okay?
Unless we are prepared to be a society where violence and wars never occur, it is absurd to expect our young people not to have some innocent thoughts about that. And little kids act out their innocent thoughts all the time, that's how they express themselves. Leave them be."
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Exactly!
And let's be real here, kids today are exposed to constant violence in t.v. shows (even cartoons), movies and video games. Even the news is rife with violence.
Children "play" what they know, it's how they process their environment.
To start punishing children for merely trying make sense of the violence that surrounds them is hypocritical at best and cruel at worst.
Adults are the ones starting the wars, making the movies, developing the video games etc... Adults are the ones allowing all this exposure to violent themes and content.
It's ridiculous that we should suddenly become indignant and outraged that a child bit his pop-tart into the shape of a gun and pretended to fire it.
Yeah right, the kids are the problem. SHM
tammy inslee @InsleeTammy 14h
Does hot yoga really work?@Kateplusmy8
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 2m
@InsleeTammy it's a serious work out. My teacher makes me work til I'm shaking and sweating profusely! Great for building core muscles!
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Yikes! Kate's going to weight 80 lbs before she's done.
Admin said: Little boys and some girls have been play acting "violence" since the beginning of time. What I find absurd is in those same schools senior year so many of them have Army recruiters come in and talk to the kids! So let me get this straight, no play acting battles but we'll let an Army officer come in and recruit you fresh out of high school to go kill real people, that's okay?
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Many schools have JROTC programs and as an army wife I kind of take exception to your statement that the recruiters come in to recruit the kids to go and kill "real" people. That's not what the army is about. There are many, many job opportunities that the military services offer. My husband, as a career officer, has never killed anyone (and I don't wan't to start the officer vs enlisted debate). Your statement is like saying that the police recruiters come in and recruit kids to kill real bad guys. Sorry admin, have to disagree on this.
I saw an online channel with twin boys, they are an entertaining pair. They dedicate some videos to opening fan mail and packaging. They are obviously from a well off family. People from around the world send them candy and fun souvenir toys. On one video they thanked everyone but then gently explained that they enjoy the letters, photos, candy and toys, but could not believe that strangers were sending them money and even cameras.
In another popular channel, the young woman and her husband are expecting a baby. There must have been over 10 videos of them opening and thanking fans from around the world for gifts sent. They received piles and piles of baby clothes and baby equipment.
I have to wonder how much fan mail the G's received.
I would bet gifts would have been sent x8. K's response to the "eyes" photo stated that the garage was often full of fan mail.
It would have made for a very interesting episode to see what fans from around the world sent them, especially as they were first portrayed as a normal family, with budgets, coupons and sales and 8 kids. Interesting in that, people/fans are usually creative with their packaging, often send gifts made from their favourite hobby, or random items that are actually good ideas or something new parents would not realise they would need.
So I am guessing from her tweet that she probably has a "private" instructor?
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 189
tammy inslee @InsleeTammy 14h
Does hot yoga really work?@Kateplusmy8
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 2m
@InsleeTammy it's a serious work out. My teacher makes me work til I'm shaking and sweating profusely! Great for building core muscles!
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Yikes! Kate's going to weight 80 lbs before she's done
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MY teacher makes ME work until I...does she have a private class? What am I saying, of COURSE she does
Admin said:
I think she knows deep down eventually she will be at a crossroads, but she may be in denial about what ultimately she will need to do to try to maintain a nice lifestyle, which includes a job away from the public eye. I think she is petrified to take a normal job, because she sees it as giving up and that it will take her off the market for media jobs. And yet the longer she stays out of the work force the harder it will be.
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I agree that Kate won't consider taking a job in the normal workplace, because to her, that would be conceding that she will not get another television gig. I also think there is an underlying and maybe unconscious reason she doesn't want to be in a "normal" workplace - she would have to deal with other people on an equal footing.
She was able to hold down at least a part-time job prior to landing the show, but we also know from former co-workers that she was universally disliked and unpleasant to work with. Imagine how much worse she is now! If she actually did apply for a job in the work place, and made it past the interview stage and was hired, she would probably have a melt down on her very first day, when people didn't jump to obey her orders. She is supremely unqualified to hold down any job whatsoever.
For her sake, she had better rein in her spending ways. I don't care how much those children earned for her while the show was on the air, money does not last forever. Wealthier people than Kate have gone bankrupt over the years, and sooner or later, it's going to happen to her too.
I hope Jon has some accounts for the children that cannot be accessed by Kate for any reason.
I believe she is convinced she will strike it big again. It's the ol' pray for it and God will grant it mentality we read in her journal. She truly believes she is special.
Sheri said:
I really believe that all zero tolerance policies do is dumb down our society. Let's not think about and analyze each situation and get to the bottom of it but instead let's charge 6 year olds for playing. It's beyond the pale.
Another aspect of zero tolerance policies that I find abhorrent is when children are punished for defending themselves against bullies.
Victims are treated like the aggressor and the aggressor like the victim.
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I could not agree more! This exact thing happened to my son when he was in middle school (6th grade) and it was a very traumatic experience. Another kid kept pushing him while they were outside and finally he pushed back. The kid started crying! The aggressor never though the picked-on kid might actually push back. So the school, instead of getting to the bottom of what happened, blamed them both equally. That was bad enough, but then a teacher he really liked said to him, in front of the whole class, "do you think you can behave yourself?" It humiliated him, and he dreaded going to her class the rest of the year.
I was soooooooooooooooooooooooo angry. I had to wait a couple of days before I e-mailed the teacher because I was afraid I'd go off on her. I did e-mail the principal, the counselor and the teacher and politely but in great detail explained exactly why I felt the situation had been poorly handled and that I did not appreciate it one whit. I also explained that my son would continue to defend himself if necessary and if they didn't like that concept, to please explain to me why my kid should allow himself to be picked on. Of course, it did no good because they must all have a handbook on how to respond without actually addressing the concerns.
I have zero tolerance for zero tolerance policies. All it does is give the school officials an excuse for abdicating their responsibilities. Ugh! (Can you tell I'm still mad over this experience?)
BTW, I really liked the principal at that school and still do. In hindsight, I think sometimes teachers and administrators are probably stuck with some policies they don't like much either.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
@InsleeTammy it's a serious work out. My teacher makes me work til I'm shaking and sweating profusely! Great for building core muscles!
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It would be nice if Kate put as much effort into building her personality as she does into building her body. Of course it would take a LOT of hard work but that's the part of her that needs it most.
Admin, I see Steve as an opportunist who saw a situation that he could exploit to his advantage. And he has done so at every opportunity. If it was just Kate involved, then I'd say she's getting exactly what she deserves. Unfortunately, his scheming ways are a financial detriment to the children.
Skeeve has ice running through his veins. I really don't think the man has a conscience.
Children "play" what they know, it's how they process their environment.
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Agree. The real issue is that there is something seriously wrong with the system when kids are punished for playing with imaginary weapons.
I also don't get the suspension thing. I would have loved to be suspended from school when I was kid. We had to go sit in the detention room for an alloted time depending on the infraction. And we had to sit with our hands clasped behind our heads. Sometimes we got the strap along with it, depending again on what we did. Staying at home for a day or two would have been a welcome alternative.
Nj, of course many people in the military will never kill. But some will and many will learn to use a weapon. My point being that if we are a society that even has to have a military in the first place and we ask out young people to join, it's unfair and hypocritical to ask those same kids never to think about or act out wars and violence.
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