I tried that out with my IP address, and was surprised to learn that I live in the parking lot of a school blocks away from me! No name at all was exposed.
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lol!! I tried that awhile back and found that I lived several states away, in a rural location that I couldn't even find on a map. All I could find was a swamp by the same name. I guess I don't get out much.
If your balls are that itchy that they require direct fingernail scratching, might want to go see a doctor.
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Maybe some guys just like to scratch their balls whether they itch or not, kind of like once you start scratching your head, you just keep on going, after the itch is gone. It feels good. We had a prof in college who used to do that in class. A very bold student asked him why he did it, and he said that it just felt good. Of course, years later we noticed that he was bald. He was also very weird.
getofftwiitter said, "Ten years of being married to Kate, really did a number on him. I'm sure Jon took those marriage vows, when he got married seriously,"
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I wonder if Kate got married seriously, or not seriously.
Jon told the Philly reporter he turned down a dozen or so TV offers. Why he chose this rather than one of the other offers is a mystery to me. I mean, I get the money thing or the timing thing but really, he made it sound like he turns things down right and left. Yet he selected this?
NJGal51; I've tried Musher's Secret. Win (bully) did well with it but the boneheaded Boxer continually tried to lick it off! lol I broke down and bought Ty (Boxer) booties this year. He looks so ridiculous that I won't take him outside. He highsteps - like a horse - and I swear the neighbor dog laughs and both of us ;)
Anyone that would leave any domestic pet outside in the brutal cold a lot of us are having now, should be reported. Not only is our Boxer in the house, on the tempurpedic, tucked under the blankets and has his own feather pillow. I kid you not, I tell my husband that we're sick! LOL
Jon is never going to find someone without issues. I think it's like what Admin said, he'll have to wait til his late forties before he'll find someone truly compatible and able to handle the situation he got himself into. It's sad but there's far worse in life and now he needs to concentrate on helping his children. As I said before, TFW is beyond help.
How would Liz feel if Jon threw a fit because she was masturbating. Or reading a steamy romance novel or taking a warm bath or whatever. I know men are more into that but some of the things women do are really the same idea. We're sexual creatures and it's nothing to be ashamed of.
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 4h @UseCmmonSense @radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Because Hoffman's journal is a FAKE! She copyrighted the real one she wrote, not Jon and Hoffman's
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I guess that's one way to spin it. I wonder if they had a conference call in the barnyard to come up with that one.
Formerly Duped said... 192 What a weird thing for CT to set up, if that's what it is ( the private moment) What does that prove- that he and Liz are not compatible in the sack? *************************************************************** Because it's salacious, they go for the "shock" factor. It's VH1, just a smidge above TLC on the "trash" meter. It's lazy easy"scripted" reality. Go for the "what did he/she just say/do?" This is a little different because it's a one time deal for these guys, but If you look at the Real Housewives, they outdo themselves. The crazier, more violent or "sexy" you behave, chances are they'll keep you on. Theresa's infamous table flip set the standard.
It is actually somewhat funny the mess that TFW has gotten herself into by pimping the twins on the talk shows. Who is her advisor nowadays or PR person? Is it purse boy? If so, what a hoot! Its almost like whoever it is hates her.
I agree with the above poster that Liz was the one set up by the producer and Jon. Makes perfect sense in order to get a genuine reaction, therefore I believe those who watched are seeing the real Liz. The reality shows are scripted but the "talent" are not actors, therefore situations are contrived for reaction. Good insight from above poster. ITA it was set up.
I sincerely hope we are coming to the end of this 'did he or did he not' conversation. For me the only relevance CT has is that it apparently provided JG with the funds to move closer to his children and get his ex back in court (hopefully). I honestly do not care what Liz wears, how she looks, talks or even how she and Jon get along. The kids seem to like her, and that's all I need to know. My two cents, that's all.
This is an interesting article from Tom Green. Isn't he Canadian?? ;)
"It used to be if you were 16 and pregnant you would get in trouble. Now you get a reality show. You get arrested on TV after a drunken binge and become an instant millionaire. Compromise your morals and make a sex tape and it may get you enough attention to land a lucrative fragrance deal. What kind of message does this send to young people? Why is it that television networks today feel the need to reward bad behavior? The simple answer is increased competition for ratings and money. But celebrating stupidity by mainstream media is not morally justified.
Now hold on a second here? I know some people may think that I, Tom Green, should be the last guy to write a diatribe against reality TV. Isn't Tom Green the guy who humped a dead moose? Isn't he the guy who painted pornography on his parent's car? Yes, I worked hard to put together an experimental show on a budget of zero. But I was not being exploited by anyone. I was in charge."
Jeremy Bieber ✔ @JeremyBieber Follow I can protect my kids, but I can't protect them from you and your lies. Believe in the truth not in the lies of the enemy. #reallife
9:28 AM - 24 Jan 2014 ********************************************************************** So says Justin Bieber's father.
That man's son has a serious problem with drugs. He is 19 years old and is apparently allowed to roll into whatever club he wants to, as long as he flashes enough $100 bills.
He was arrested for DUI and attempting to illegally drag race. In fact, Daddy was parking cars with the rest of the posse to block the road. There are photographs to support all this.
I read that Justin's manager had a private plane on standby all day yesterday, ready to take Justin to rehab. Justin won't go and has been holed up with his father.
I would love to know what lies the elder Bieber is referring to and who exactly the enemy is? The people who want to help this young man and see him get well?
Another case of a parent sticking their head in the sand and putting money before being A PARENT. I hate when that happens. Mr. Bieber seems to be more interested in being his son's bestie, rather than making sure this kid doesn't end up in a "Stars We Lost in 2014" montage.
Maybe some guys just like to scratch their balls whether they itch or not, kind of like once you start scratching your head, you just keep on going, after the itch is gone. It feels good.
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 4h @UseCmmonSense @radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Because Hoffman's journal is a FAKE! She copyrighted the real one she wrote, not Jon and Hoffman's
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Just the other week Milo mentioned FreeConferenceCall.com. I never knew such a thing existed. I totally believe they use it regularly to create their spin when Kate is in the news.
I think Jon is too tired of Reality set up crap to act for the cameras. I think it was edited in such a way that it would drum up drama. With all these people and the issues they carry, there is enough drama happening that they don't need to act. A little editing and you have the perfect scene you wanted. We have to remember that therapy lasted all day everyday. Not just the short hours worth we see.
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 4h @UseCmmonSense @radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Because Hoffman's journal is a FAKE! She copyrighted the real one she wrote, not Jon and Hoffman's
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Well then, when is Kate going to publish "real" Mommy's Journal?
I hope the CT controversy does not overshadows Kate's shenanigans with the twins on the talk shows. Jon's interviews about the plight of the kids would be taken more seriously IMO if he were not on the show. But then, he needs the money...catch 22.
I wanted to weigh in on the privacy issues re: Jon's interviews with In Touch magazine and his appearance on CT.
I'm firmly Team Jon, but by no means think he is perfect. I've skimmed his In Touch interviews in the check-out lane and will give him/In Touch kudos re: pictures of the children as except for one (the twins on the Today Show) all of the pictures appear to be older/originally put out there by TFMJG or from her show. I don't see much wrong with Jon's recent interviews and speaking out in the media as he's been muzzled for years and TFMJG always used the media for her agenda of the moment. It must feel strange and upsetting to TFMJG to know that the balance in the public's perception of her has shifted so much. But she brought it on herself with those two interviews last week. I've also scanned some of this week's rag magazines and with the exception of The Star, where she only rated a picture of her and the twins on one of the shows with a small write-up, there was nothing. So I'm thinking the dueling magazine covers won't happen again. She's stuck with feeding stories to ROL as no magazine with a good reputation will touch her right now. However, I do agree with a lot of other posters that he should stop with the interviews and save it for the court hearings.
As for Couples Therapy, it's just a reality show and everyone knows how real they are vs. the amount of scripting that goes into it. I don't know if he and Liz will end up together, but hopefully he has learned enough to take time to reflect on what he does want and change some of his previous behaviors in relationships.
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 4h @UseCmmonSense @radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Because Hoffman's journal is a FAKE! She copyrighted the real one she wrote, not Jon and Hoffman's
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WTH? (smacks forehead) Do they REALLY think Robert (and Jon) would go to the extremes of writing a "fake journal"?
Is this the Ewe with the massive alleged medical problems? (I get them confused sometimes.) Because if it is, I think she might also have received a head injury somewhere along the line. Good grief, how dumb.
How would Liz feel if Jon threw a fit because she was masturbating. Or reading a steamy romance novel or taking a warm bath or whatever. I know men are more into that but some of the things women do are really the same idea. We're sexual creatures and it's nothing to be ashamed of.
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Careful Admin. You're going to get Milo all worked up into lusty hallucinations of Kate again.
I thought the same thing, AuntieAnn -- let's see this "real" journal! Slap a cover on that sucker, and let the printing of 50,000 start rolling! I bet it says things like, "XXXXX had an accident this afternoon. Poor sweet boy. I got him cleaned up and said, 'Better luck next time, buddy,' and gave him some extra M&M's. He hugged me so tightly that it made me cry. I'm so lucky to have been blessed with 8 healthy babies."
I guess TFW's fans forgot to do a headcount when they came up with the latest company line that the journal printed was fake. Because one of the biggest fans not long ago tweeted that it may very well be true, but that it didn't matter, because it was about things TFW did years ago. Get your stories straight, guys - it's hard to keep up with the spin.
I'm confused about what is happening with Colin. Someone on the last page mentioned he wasn't seen coloring. We are told that Jon hasn't seen Colin in a long time. Why is he being singled out to stay home? Why isn't he going on visitation? It doesn't make any sense to me. Kate certainly didn't seem to favor him. But if there's a visitation schedule, can he be kept home as "punishment"? Why is he the separate one?
Jeanne, I think Kate's least favorite tups are Colin and Alexis. She mentioned Colllin's challenging her during the aftermath of the divorce and had Alexis labelled as a 'wild child' on the show J&K+8's opening. When A was sent to sleep all alone in the basement, she referred to her as a 'bat." Those two happened to be the ones with behavior problems at school and were expelled. She separates Alexis from Leah and Hannah, and Collin was the one who received the brunt of the abuse as a baby/toddler, possibly now. Collin has changed from a high-spirited little boy to a skinny shadow of his former self, as seen in photos and CWS etc. Jon mentions he hasn't seen Collin for months. I noticed in her recent twit pic of the tups coloring, Collin was not there. Just curious. I worry most about him now.
Maybe some guys just like to scratch their balls whether they itch or not, kind of like once you start scratching your head, you just keep on going, after the itch is gone. It feels good.
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I know, it would be -3 but, I had to get it to rhyme somehow!
How could TFW copyright the journal if she didn't have the hard drive? Didn't she say that Jon/Robert stole it? Robert had the copy discs. And for the sheeple to say that she copyrighted the real journal then sheeple ask her to to publish it.
PatK said... 22 MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 4h @UseCmmonSense @radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Because Hoffman's journal is a FAKE! She copyrighted the real one she wrote, not Jon and Hoffman's
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What a dullard. The so called "real journal" this confused sheeple speaks of was already long copyrighted and published over 6 years ago. It is a book full of unicorn farts and rainbows called Multiple Blessin8s.
Kate copyrighted the sinister "mommy's journal" the journal she wants no one to ever see again, in April of 2013. That's the one with the unaltered digital footprint.
M.B. is "mommy's journal" with all the spankings, overt greed and appearances of neglect swiffered out.
Until and unless Kate sues Jon & Robert for defamation and wins- wins I say (not drop the suit)--- the journal Kate copyrighted last April IS the real journal. I thought they all understood that, but I guess not.
I know that this may have been discussed, but I was just watching WWHL (thank you TiVo) and Andy asked Matt Lauer about not liking to interview reality show people and Matt answered that he preferred to interview people who EARNED their place in front of the camera and that he likes people who bring a lot to the party and aren't there just because of the party. This brought on of course after talking to Savannah about the twins interview and then saying "in a galaxy of appearing unlikeable has Kate Gosselin ever appeared more unlikeable". Savannah played it off by saying "Is this the I plead the 5th segment" and then they all allowed as to how awkward it was.
Andy does not appear to like TFW at all. As the Bravo senior vice-president of original programming and development I don't think he's going to be developing a Growing Up Gosselin show for her any time in the near future.
The funniest thing VH1 ever did was document the "romance" between FlavAFlav Brigette Neillson. It was actually gross to watch. Surreal Life was BAD, can't-turn-away TV. Remember Mini-Me peeing in the corner and so drunk that Peter Brady had to rock him to sleep?
They are trying to recreate those days and they just can't.
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Yes, the silly sheep with the hole in her heart is the one that claims the journal is FAKE. If it was, I doubt Kate would have dropped the lawsuit.
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VH1 might give Jon other opportunities, such as Best Week Ever or other shows that are not so controversial. I believe he took this gig because it was only for 2 weeks and he wouldn't be away from his kids for too long. Supposedly, that was why he refused DWTS.
WTH? (smacks forehead) Do they REALLY think Robert (and Jon) would go to the extremes of writing a "fake journal"?
Is this the Ewe with the massive alleged medical problems? (I get them confused sometimes.) Because if it is, I think she might also have received a head injury somewhere along the line. Good grief, how dumb.
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Yes, it is. The one with the blood pressure of 400/300 and a half dozen holes in her heart. The one to whom the doctor told her to just watch it...kind of like sitting by and waiting for Godot.
Jon and Robert faked the journals. They are both so good imitating Kate's writing style. I guess they took months of courses in forgery to be able to duplicate sentence structure, wording, punctuation, to be able to pull this off successfully.
I wonder if they are so dumb that they actually believe this, or if their stupidity supersedes everything else -- that they pull this out of heaven-knows-where just because they don't know how else to spin it. Either way, it shows that they really don't have too much upstairs to work with.
Is this the Ewe with the massive alleged medical problems? (I get them confused sometimes.) Because if it is, I think she might also have received a head injury somewhere along the line. Good grief, how dumb.
_________________ lol! I think she's already received some blows and is ducking!
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 18m @KellyJeanturner @BarbGilmer @MiloandJack @Mydmaxx @Kateplusmy8 Happy Friday Kelly. It's 72 degrees here (ducking my head before u bop me:)
Oh, my, I just read about Savannah Guthrie on WWHL. We know Andy Cohen isn't a Kate fan, and it seems that SG wasn't too taken with her, either. Of course, SG was tactful about it.
I wonder if Kate is sitting around scratching her head (since she's a girl and therefore can't scratch...oh, never mind), wondering how her grand plan to get her new super-duper reality show Growing UP Gosselin on the air failed so miserably. She and the girls did the People cover shoot, stirred up some talk by trashing Jon and Alexis ('cause every reality show needs some conflict!). Check. Then the talk shows, which were supposed to show the world what fun, bubbly, talkative girls she and the twins are, and what a great relationship they have, and what a jerk Jon is--all the while showing that GUG logo in the background to plant a subliminal message in some network bigwig's brain that these fun, interesting girls need a show. Oops, that didn't go off so well. It all backfired, but she figured that if she waits a bit, then it will all blow over and she can try again. But...then Jon gave those interviews to point out that she's a crappy mother, that the kids are being exploited, and then he files for custody. What network is going to come knocking if it's not for sure that she will even have custody? And now the whole world is talking about the kids being manipulated and exploited, and that doesn't bode well for a show. Who wants to sign them when it looks so obvious that the girls have no screen presence and they're being forced to work? Next comes court, and she will have to answer to the contempt charges --what's she going to say--"Yes, yer honor, I did it, but it was for a good cause--to get me a new show! Who cares about Jon's rights when I could get back on TV?". And then a custody battle, which is sure to bring out some skeletons that she thought were buried in the back of her closets. Even if she doesn't lose custody, it won't help her image in the least.
Well, darn it all, she had the perfect, foolproof plan, and Jon and the twins had to go and ruin it.
Until and unless Kate sues Jon & Robert for defamation and wins- wins I say (not drop the suit)--- the journal Kate copyrighted last April IS the real journal. I thought they all understood that, but I guess not.
_______________ They don't get it, just like they don't understand the child support issues. It is no use trying to explain it to them. They're just too darn dense, and even if they weren't, they don't WANT to understand it. So you just let them go and shake your head. It's much less painful than banging your head against a brick wall.
But....didn't Kate sue Jon for stealing her 'journals?' She implied he collaborated with Robert to provide info for the book. Why didn't she sue Robert or even Jon for slander? Here is a quote from her attorney back when the suit was announced: "Jon violated a federal anti-hacking statute in order to publish salacious, scandalous and defamatory information about Kate," said her lawyer A. Jordan Rushie. "It's damaged her reputation." Nowhere does he say it's untrue; he says she was hacked which implies it was her own information. How would they hack fake information and even if they did, why would she care enough to sue? There are none so blind as those who will not see.
The View had Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt on today and Barbara practically hounded them about getting "real jobs". Why on earth doesn't she ask TFW that question?!
Tucker & TLC Completely agree with your assessments! Well said.
Jon really needs to concentrate on himself, his mental health and well being and his children before he engages in another relationship. I have a friend very much like him. Very needy and can never be alone. It makes me sad, but it's up to each of us to get the help we need to heal ourselves. I still think he is the better parent of the two. He really loves his kids, even while he makes questionable choices, and I do not see that from Kate. The children are her possessions, IMO. I was fascinated when Dr. Berman said in her blog that Jon's issues stem from his relationship with his mom. He re-enacted that with Kate and seems to be doing the same with Liz.
The View had Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt on today and Barbara practically hounded them about getting "real jobs". Why on earth doesn't she ask TFW that question?!
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She probably thinks that Kate still has a position as a nurse.
handinhand said... 5 ''Jon told the Philly reporter he turned down a dozen or so TV offers. Why he chose this rather than one of the other offers is a mystery to me. I mean, I get the money thing or the timing thing but really, he made it sound like he turns things down right and left. Yet he selected this?'' ~~~~~~~~~~~~ I just can't force myself to question every single thing Jon does. I will always give Jon the benefit of the doubt. I suspect that CT had the biggest paycheck, and then Jon rationalized doing it because he and Liz really DID need couples therapy.
Q said... 42 The View had Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt on today and Barbara practically hounded them about getting "real jobs". Why on earth doesn't she ask TFW that question?! ---------------------------------
Who wants to sign them when it looks so obvious that the girls have no screen presence and they're being forced to work? ****** Also, what about Rep. Murt's law in PA? It hadn't occurred to me until today that perhaps the media blitz with the twins has something to do with age restrictions that the twins may not have, but the "littles" would??? I'm trying to think back about the specifics regarding age, and it's just bugging me that the twins might be able to film with less restrictions.
I think it was money he picked this one, I'm convinced he was in a good bargaining position because they were looking to replace Farrah. He was in the driver's seat and could say if you want me pay up. Also it was a very short timing schedule, just a couple weeks of his time and he's done.
Most other reality shows would have required much longer. He can hardly take off for months at a time to LA or elsewhere when he's trying to tell the court he wants custody. Only Kate is allowed to do that. Because she is a mother, and family law courts are biased in favor of mothers. Some of them anyway.
The View had Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt on today and Barbara practically hounded them about getting "real jobs".
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Don't get me wrong those too are pathetic, but who cares if consenting adults don't have a real job? As long as they are not hurting anyone it's really none of anyone's business how they wish to make money. My issue with Kate was never get a real job. It was, SUPPORT YOUR KIDS AND STOP MAKING THEM WORK. I mean do you go haze a homeless person about why they don't have a "real job", Barbara?
handinhand said... 48 Q said... 42 The View had Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt on today and Barbara practically hounded them about getting "real jobs". Why on earth doesn't she ask TFW that question?! ---------------------------------
Really good question, Q. ***** A few years ago, Speidi did an interview on the Today show and Al Roker interviewed them. First time I saw a professional host demeanor crack. Al could not contain his contempt for them, their antics, and their RTV life. 8 kids make for a pretty thick shield against criticism, and provide a coating of respectability even for the most fame and money hungry of mothers. 88
I can only guess based on what little we've seen of her, but Liz definitely seems to me to be hiding behind a tough exterior. Almost like the tougher, rougher, more defensive she is, the less likely she'll break down and be vulnerable and feminine on T.V., which I think she sees as a weakness. I bet she prides herself on getting through her divorce and raising three kids at such a young age. I think she prides herself on not being like Jon and at handling him. I think it scares her to death that maybe she's not what she thinks she is, that she is vulnerable and flawed, and so the only way to handle those fears is to overcompensate, which includes lashing out at Jon over nothing.
Ghost is acting similar, though he has much more experience with T.V. Truly, his lashing out at Kelsey over the ex prostitute stuff is getting really silly.
You know I'm not sure I understand the odd destain for these Heidi and Spencer people in the first place. What did they do? They are a joke. So just ignore them. Again, they're not hurting anyone.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 54 You know I'm not sure I understand the odd destain for these Heidi and Spencer people in the first place. What did they do? They are a joke. So just ignore them. Again, they're not hurting anyone. January 24, 2014 at 5:39 PM ***** IIRC, I think it was because Spencer's "brand/persona" that he tried to make work was as a really aggressive prick. The two were on a couple RTV shows where he was so outrageous and entitled that people just hated him. Actually, I think they softened their image after that, so perhaps that's not who he really is. But, I agree that they are adults, albeit famewhores, but that's not the deal breaker it is when you have kids on tv.
Since Jon and his privates have been talked about here, I have to relay this story. When my grandson (he'll be six in April) was a couple of months old, his Nan (paternal grandmother), asked my daughter if he had found his penis. My daughter looked at her and said "what are you talking about?" His Nan smiled and said "you'll find out." Now having raised two girls, I had no idea what she was talking about with regards to a baby. When he was about four months old my daughter called me and said, "Mom. He found his penis." She was changing his diaper and his hand went to his penis and he wouldn't let go. From then on for a long time, whenever she changed his diaper or gave him a bath, his hand would go to his penis. When I told my husband about this several months later he just looked at me, smirked and said, "Honey, when a boy finds his penis he never lets go. Doesn't matter how old he is."
Rhymes with Witch said... 57 Just a question about Jon finding a woman with no issues. Does anyone know any adult women with NO issues? I don't and I include myself.
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I don't have any issues. It's everyone around me who has the problem. LOL
When I told my husband about this several months later he just looked at me, smirked and said, "Honey, when a boy finds his penis he never lets go. Doesn't matter how old he is."
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Too funny, and yet so true! Then, of course, you have John Bobbitt, who couldn't hold on to his. It was the "cut heard 'round the world."
Capecodmama: lol!!!! My mom told me the exact same thing when my first born was a boy....she said boys are born attached to it, they don't let go til they die, it's the first place rigor mortis sets in, and you prop the casket with it when they die!! Lol. I still have a hard time (no pun intended!) NOT looking inside when I go to wakes sometimes. It makes me chuckle anyway. Lol
Too funny, and yet so true! Then, of course, you have John Bobbitt, who couldn't hold on to his. It was the "cut heard 'round the world."
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I've always wondered how they found that penis so fast. It was the middle of the night and she tossed it out of a car window into a field while she was driving. Amazing police work. lol!
I just can't force myself to question every single thing Jon does. I will always give Jon the benefit of the doubt.________
Maybe you can't but I sure can. Why Jon would participate in this show, when he said he was offered 'dozens' of shows, is beyond me. Surely there had to be some other reality show he could have appeared on that wouldn't do this much damage to his reputation.
Jon, forget about your selfish desire to find a suitable mate. Concentrate on your kids! For once!! Argh! He drives me batty because I want him to do the right thing and be the dad many think he is.
The entire gosselin situation is so out of control and way off track. And they divorced years ago!
Admin, I'm pretty sure you're about sick of the alzheimer tips but I had a colleague just email this link http://blogs.mcgill.ca/oss/?s=coconut+oil They thought it would be of interest to me because I'm known for being coconut oil crazy and am constantly on the hunt for good Alzheimer's and glucose metabolism studies. This post is on one of my favorite no bullshit science blogs. I do not buy the organic coconut oil at this time because I'm too lazy to drive to the health food store. Mine comes from the baking aisle at Wally World and runs just under $6 for 30 ounces. I've just slathered a ton of my seriously dried out hide. If you live in a cold environment and have dry skin, this stuff will change your life. Really :) I use it in my smoothies too and to fry or saute with. Amazing stuff. Hope this gives you some ideas.
I think it was money he picked this one, I'm convinced he was in a good bargaining position because they were looking to replace Farrah. He was in the driver's seat and could say if you want me pay up. Also it was a very short timing schedule, just a couple weeks of his time and he's done. ____________________________________
I disagree. Do you know how many D list 'celebs' are out there that would sell their soul to be on a VH1 reality show?
I stand by my statement that there HAD to be another show that Jon could have done that wasn't so....disgusting.
You mean Andy Cohen (WWHL) doesn't adore Kate? But..but...she said that appearing on his show gave her a chance to show her "fun side". And don't forget, after the show, Milo told Kate, "You rocked it!". And we all know that everyone who actually meets Kate just loves her! Milo said so!
Greedy Gosselins said... 69 ''...I disagree. Do you know how many D list 'celebs' are out there that would sell their soul to be on a VH1 reality show?'' ~~~~~~~~ Well, those other 'celebs' have to be asked...they weren't. Jon and Liz were. (And no, I'm NOT insinuating that Jon and Liz sold their souls!)
Jon, forget about your selfish desire to find a suitable mate
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I don't think that it's selfish for one to try to find a person with whom to share his/her life. Sometimes coming home to an empty house day after day can be quite the lonely existence.
Some, though, may look for love in all the wrong places. I don't know if this is true in Jon's case, but I hope that he does find the love for whom he is looking.
I've always wondered how they found that penis so fast. It was the middle of the night and she tossed it out of a car window into a field while she was driving. Amazing police work. lol!
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I don't know, Auntie. I think it was just a matter of a few hours. Wasn't it found on the side of the road? It's not like it had a GPS tracker attached to it, nor was it glow-in-the-dark fluorescent.
cherier - No I don't have one. This guy is Bernie, our virtual 15 minutes rescue pup who brings his keg of rumspringa to anyone who can't get out in the freezing temps of winter.
You are so fortunate to have a big cuddly bear to hug. They're gorgeous. Do they have an appetite to match their size?
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It's selfish if you have 8 children that are being abused by your ex spouse. THEY should come first. Jon needs to get it together, though after all these years, it's doubtful.
It's not like it had a GPS tracker attached to it, nor was it glow-in-the-dark fluorescent.
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I wonder how many officers were called in from other important work to find that thing. I guess they all thought it was high priority before the trail got cold.
Michelle said: Google Jon Gosselin $22,000 therapy bill and you will find numerous articles quoting Jon talking about the $22,000 he spent on therapy for himself in 2009. What he got out of it is anyone's guess. Y *****************888 I would think (and hope) that a big part of that therapy was how to deal with his crazy, narcissistic ex, and figuring out how he got into the mess in the first place. Jon was a battered spouse and suffered psychological damage. He is probably still dealing with the fall out of all those years living under TFW's rule.
All of the children need therapy and tons of it too.
Layla said... 70 You mean Andy Cohen (WWHL) doesn't adore Kate? But..but...she said that appearing on his show gave her a chance to show her "fun side". And don't forget, after the show, Milo told Kate, "You rocked it!". And we all know that everyone who actually meets Kate just loves her! Milo said so!
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Remember Andy and the other guest...I can picture her but can't place her name...an actress...talking about the presidential debates. Then he said to Kate I see you were watching Real Housewives in the green room instead LOL
I wonder how many officers were called in from other important work to find that thing. I guess they all thought it was high priority before the trail got cold.
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Yes, and don't you wish you could have seen an officer's face when the call went out to the cruiser? Did a sketch artist release the description?
It's selfish if you have 8 children that are being abused by your ex spouse. THEY should come first. Jon needs to get it together, though after all these years, it's doubtful.
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Gosh, I don't know. I think he's trying to "get it together" on behalf of the kids now by taking her back to court.
THEY should come first. Jon needs to get it together, though after all these years, it's doubtful.
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Perhaps they do come first, which is why he is trying to be in a relationship with someone who loves his children. He appears to be concerned with what is best for them as far as the custody issue goes, even if he's going to amass more legal fees to do it. We don't know what he is doing for his kids, what is happening with the legal issues, nor if his relationship with a woman takes priority over the welfare of his kids. I really kind of doubt it, though.
When TFW was on WWHL she told Andy- ""I am probably one of the rare few who de-age". Now we know why he mentioned the plastic surgery when he said 3 nice things about her on MLK Jr. day (as in the new head looks good). I'd forgotten that she uttered that little gem on his show. Andy rocks!
I don't think that it's selfish for one to try to find a person with whom to share his/her life. Sometimes coming home to an empty house day after day can be quite the lonely existence.
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It's selfish if you have 8 children that are being abused by your ex spouse. THEY should come first. Jon needs to get it together, though after all these years, it's doubtful. THEY should come first. Jon needs to get it together, though after all these years, it's doubtful.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what he's trying to do now? He wants to seek custody of his kids, or at least the sextuplets. He's well aware of the abuse. Gaining custody isn't as easy as snapping your fingers on a talk show.
Maybe Liz isn't the soul mate he's looking for or maybe she is, that's between them. He was and probably still is pretty screwed up because he's been so screwed over. He was kicked to the curb, then he was sued, muzzled, and left broke and he's made some bonehead mistakes. Who hasn't? At least he recognized them as such. Now he wants a REAL wife and his family around him. That's not selfishness and it IS putting his kids first. Kate always made sure she came first when they were married.
AuntieAnn said... 75 cherier - No I don't have one. This guy is Bernie, our virtual 15 minutes rescue pup . ****
Not sure how I missed that as a longtime reader!
Yes, she eats a lot: about 40lbs of dog food per month plus she gets Greek yogurt, a boiled egg, organic chix breast or whatever healthy lowfat protein we are having for dinner 1x each day as well. She is spoiled :) A gentle giant and a lap dog seemingly having no idea how big she is. We all adore her. If I knew how to do it I would post a picture of her. She's my baby.
Even tho she is a cold weather dog, she's inside other than a quick trip to do her business. It's -20 with windchill here and she comes right back in. I think about Shoka out there at night and I get so upset!
Auntie Ann I've always wondered how they found that penis so fast. It was the middle of the night and she tossed it out of a car window into a field while she was driving. Amazing police work. lol ------------------------ Oh Auntie Ann, why did you have to go and say that. I can't hold back. The answer to your question Is that the cops drove up and down the field with a hay wagon full of beautiful women. If you know what I mean?
It's selfish if you have 8 children that are being abused by your ex spouse. THEY should come first.
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I don't assume everyone in a relationship doesn't put their kids first. Maybe they do maybe they don't, it depends.
By that logic why wouldn't a mom and dad who are married not put their kids first? They are also in a relationship. By that logic, we should all just be single moms and single dads because it's the only way to ensure the kids are put first. Of course a good many of us would be miserable but what does that matter as long as the kids are first.
We are human beings and human beings are social and sexual, and human beings seek companionship. I have no problem if someone wants to seek that companionship even if they have kids. When it's the right person and you are happy and in love sometimes that can be the best thing for your kids. Kids are intuitive, and most of all they want to see their Mom and Dad happy. You can give kids great peace of mind to settle down and be happy. We know the Gosselin kids are apparently preoccupied with Kate's love life. I think that's about happiness too, they want Kate happy. Maybe they even see Dad happy and want the same for her. The idea that being with a man will help make her happy came from somewhere. As for Jon, he is without his kids at times and it may reassure them to know Liz is around when they are not.
I've always felt that line from Jerry McGuire about you make me want to be a better man describes how I feel about relationships. I knew it was right when I want to be a better woman. If a relationship makes you a better person, then that will only help your kids, not hurt them.
"The View had Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt on today and Barbara practically hounded them about getting "real jobs". Why on earth doesn't she ask TFW that question?!"
Because the world is tired of hearing her trot out that same line about how if she were a nurse, she'd be handing her entire paycheck over to babysitters.
It's not like it had a GPS tracker attached to it, nor was it glow-in-the-dark fluorescent.
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I wonder how many officers were called in from other important work to find that thing. I guess they all thought it was high priority before the trail got cold. ****************************************************************************888
Very funny! But seriously, the whole police squad must have been male, they were probably never SO motivated!
NJGal51 said... 84 When TFW was on WWHL she told Andy- ""I am probably one of the rare few who de-age". Now we know why he mentioned the plastic surgery when he said 3 nice things about her on MLK Jr. day (as in the new head looks good). I'd forgotten that she uttered that little gem on his show. Andy rocks! ******* Andy knows plastic surgery like no one knows plastic surgery. Well, except Jocelyn Wildenbeast. Andy has the Real Housewives franchise, so he's seen it all. You have to be really stupid, lack savvy, or be so entrenched in your lies that you don't know how to tell the truth, to sit in front of this man, 3 feet away, and deny plastic surgery. Andy is like a human lie detector when it comes to that. I have to go back to find that clip to see if you can see Andy's face when Kate announces that she de-ages.
"Jon explains that it’s no longer just Kate who makes the kids miserable at home, Kate has turned the twins into mini-me enforcers with full rein to discipline the younger ones."
abby said... 90 But Jon is NOT a better man with Liz.
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If CT is scripted to show the bad and the ugly, how could anyone make that statement as fact? We don't know the nitty gritty of their relationship, nor whether he is a better or worse man since he's been with her. We're not there with them, and only making that speculation from what we've seen on the show.
Dude's not a war victim for god's sake. 5 years later, he needs to pull himself together. It's ridiculous.
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No, he's not a war victim, but unless anyone has been in his position and has no idea what he's been through on the homefront with her, we can't say exactly how bad his emotional scarring is. Depending on the person and his psychological makeup, this could leave damage that might come darn close to that sustained in any other traumatic event.
I disagree. I don't think the old Jon would have tried for custody of his kids in the past. I think you're basing your opinion on seeing highly edited footage of Jon with Liz in their first 24-36 hours after arriving. I'm hoping Jon and Liz acknowledge their relationship issues during therapy and leave CT better than they arrived. I hope taking legal action is a result of Jon receiving therapy and support from Liz.
I really don't know anything about Bieber, but heard on the news yesterday ... His dad apparently wasn't around when he was growing up and only showed up in his life when Bieber started making money.
The father was seen two hours after his son bailed out of jail - hanging out with him with bottles of booze in tow. Sounds like they both need rehab.
Probably no one cares ... but I kind of feel bad that I lumped both his mother and father into the 'crappy parents' post the other day.
I keep reading comments like, "for once, why won't Jon do such-and-such?" Well, he's made a huge step towards making a change for his children's future. There's no easy answer here -- no door he can open which will magically heal his family. As most of us have realized, Jon can't unring that bell. But he has at least admitted his part in all this. If only for that reason, he is lightyears ahead of TFW in his maturity.
I believe if Jon got full custody of all 8 children tomorrow, and got a full-time job in IT, and pledged to be celibate for the rest of his life, there would still be people out there saying that's not enough. I guess that's the price he's paying for having chosen to be on reality TV. But I wish him luck, because I think he's the only chance those children have for a happy and relatively sane life.
I got the feeling that Liz (on CT) does not want a lot of kids living with them. What if Jon does get the tups? Will she be upset? She has been good with them on visits as far as we know. With her own, that'll make 9 kids!
Jon was a battered spouse and suffered psychological damage.
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Dude's not a war victim for god's sake. 5 years later, he needs to pull himself together. It's ridiculous. **** I didn't say he was a victim of war. I said he was an abused spouse. I was also replying to a comment that was discussing therapy he received following his divorce. Perhaps you've never dealt with an abusive partner or known anyone else who has gone through such a situation. I have known several people in my life who have dealt with abuse and it's not something you merely "pull yourself together" and get over. Often, counseling is vital to help see how you ended up with an abuser, and to avoid the same situation again.
katie cry-duh (82 said... Kate has finally screwed herself. She now has the choice of having her lies exposed in court OR giving up custody of the tups. *************** Oh, yes! What was she thinking? I wanted to see what the (very quiet) sheep were saying about this, so I read one of their blogs and their take on it all is just like Kate's must be. They said that Jon will lose because...get this...Kate neglects to give him the right of first refusal ALL THE TIME! According to them, the judge will look at it as, "She does this all the time. Why are you just now complaining?". So, they admit that she violates his rights, as spelled out in a court order, but it's okay...because she does it all the time. WTH? IF you rob 30 banks, does that mean it's okay because you rob banks all the time? This is serial behavior to her. She does not give a hoot about his rights, and tramples on them every chance she gets. Now she (like her sheeple) is stunned that he dared to call her on it. And the fact that she does it all the time does not excuse it--it makes it worse. It shows complete contempt for him and for the court order. No, I don't think the judge will toss it out. It's pretty darn clear-cut what she's done. Oh, and they think he's an idiot for hiring Heller again. They don't even know yet that even though Heller made a statement, that doesn't mean he's Jon's lawyer. He's not. Sheeple need to keep up! Oh, and since he made the comment "when I have the money", that means he will never file. It's going to be fun watching them cover up their own wrong assumptions as this unfolds.
Kate is probably in a complete tizzy right now. You'd think that after her lawsuit, she'd have figured out that Jon is ready to fight back. No, she had to just keep pushing and pushing. And now she's faced, once again, with having her behavior exposed in open court. And with losing her "brand" once and for all. She should have known better.
Kate neglects to give him the right of first refusal ALL THE TIME! According to them, the judge will look at it as, "She does this all the time. Why are you just now complaining?"
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Wow. I can't imagine any judge in all of America who would think such a thing.
Judges understand that it costs time, money and stress to bring the other parent back to court and that sometimes you can't get in the door the second something goes wrong. There really isn't a judge in the land that doesn't understand that. What's going to happen is most if not all judges are going to be LIVID that their court orders have not been respected all this time.
If anything, a judge might get annoyed if you come whining the first time something happens. They're not going to want you to waste their time unless serious and consistent violations are going on.
I got the feeling that Liz (on CT) does not want a lot of kids living with them
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Really? I got the opposite feeling. She absolutely beamed when they were talking about Aaden. And her photographs of the kids with her beautiful pit bull are very sweet.
I disagree. Do you know how many D list 'celebs' are out there that would sell their soul to be on a VH1 reality show?
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Sure, plenty, but they can't get just any D lister. It has to be someone in a relationship with someone also willing to go on T.V. and it has to be someone who is not committed to something else for the next two weeks. If it was so last minute, they may have made many other phone calls without success until they hit upon Jon. They may have been panicking at this point. The proof is in the pudding. It was apparently enough to get himself set up with a 5 bedroom home and hire the excellent law firm Blank Rome again.
In any case it is really not our decision to make. He went on it, and he didn't take his kids on it, so it's none of our business why or how he got on.
CT was heavily edited, agree. But they can't edit in what you don't give them. Just like TFW.
Who knows what Jon gave them re that one scene, or how Liz was manipulated into thinking what she saw. Whatever.
But it certainly pushed her buttons into behaving like TFW, which was perhaps the point. The way she was mocking him as she lay on the settee really turned me off.
If she was angry with him, hurt, or whatever, I could see her wanting to avoid Jon for a while as he accused her of, that part's fine.
It was that mocking thing that was so wrong. And him just hunched over with that stupid hang dog look.
Yes, I know he was, and still is, abused by TFW. It takes heavy duty therapy to get over that, to learn how to handle it. She is truly an evil person who isn't ever going to change. All he can do is change how he handles it.
I soooo wanted Jon to stand up, make himself tall, and say to Liz, "Enough! You've expressed your displeasure. Enough! If you want to talk about this we can, but not in anger and not like this. I'm going for a one hour walk. When I get back, if you're ready, we can talk."
But it takes heavy duty therapy to get to where you can do that instead of having the body reaction he did of the hang dog thing. That's instinctive, and hard to overcome in the face of someone else's strong emotions.
He needs to overcome that reaction for the sake of his children. He can't be modeling that kind of behavior in front of them. He just can't. It's just as bad as TFW's behavior, but in the opposite direction.
I have tremendous compassion for him. It's gotta be impossible having to deal with TFW. And he'll be paying for that for the rest of his life. She will always find a way to interfere in his relationship with the kids. Her top priority isn't that she win, it's that he lose.
"It's selfish if you have 8 children that are being abused by your ex spouse. THEY should come first. Jon needs to get it together, though after all these years, it's doubtful."
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Let's see. Jon is filing for custody of the kids and that's selfish? On what planet? Jon needs to get it together but it's doubtful he can do that? Seems like that's exactly what he is trying to do. No matter what he does (or doesn't do), some will still criticize and he's going to be perceived as not doing enough. Is it selfish to want custody of your children, having realized that they are not being raised in a nurturing environment? Not from where I sit...
Jon was a battered spouse and suffered psychological damage.
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Dude's not a war victim for god's sake. 5 years later, he needs to pull himself together. It's ridiculous. **** I didn't say he was a victim of war. I said he was an abused spouse. I was also replying to a comment that was discussing therapy he received following his divorce. Perhaps you've never dealt with an abusive partner or known anyone else who has gone through such a situation. I have known several people in my life who have dealt with abuse and it's not something you merely "pull yourself together" and get over. Often, counseling is vital to help see how you ended up with an abuser, and to avoid the same situation again. ------------
Milicent- Great post. Without going in to too much detail, Jon has huge dependency issues, and this has become an issue as he chooses partners. I do believe at this point, his intentions, as a parent, are very good, But he does need to deal some more in therapy (independantly) regarding his dependency (Off camera, where he can be real).and spend time with his kids alone.
On the other hand, WOS has no partner, has delegated the twins to "Inspector Gadget' or whatever, as she delegates her parenting duties, and puts the tups at the mercy of 13 year olds.
I don't think Cara wants to be part of a show, and Mady probably wants to be a "star," whatever that means, but encouraging the twins to speak badly about Jon or the tups was just wrong on so may levels.
WOS needs serious intervention, but she will never seek it out, as she clearly thinks she is a great parent. (She believes the former fan show hype). When you have no family or friends left, you are probably not doing something right. Get a clue Kate,
I'm not one to write off a show or bad behavior as scripted however this show really is obviously heavily scripted. I mean we even have proof of it in the emails the show sent Farrah's boyfriend and his tweets about what they wanted him to do.
It's not even so much the stuff with Jon that is the smoking gun it's scripted. It's the lesbians and making such a big issue of that sex tape. The girls although good people aren't the best actresses. Sometimes you can see them sort of snickering. I mean they know this is just good fun and that they aren't really SERIOUS about confronting Farrah. They are so laid back about everything why would this suddenly bother them? Doesn't really make sense.
I have to sort of take what I will of it when I write the recap but this time around especially (I'm 20 minutes into the recap) I'm sitting here definitely feeling like everything is a set up.
Without going in to too much detail, Jon has huge dependency issues, and this has become an issue as he chooses partners. I do believe at this point, his intentions, as a parent, are very good, But he does need to deal some more in therapy (independantly) regarding his dependency (Off camera, where he can be real).and spend time with his kids alone.
Yes, yes, yes!!!!! Just what I was trying to say but didn't articulate nearly as well.
Sorry but additional to prior post. I did not watch CT BUT whatever stupid thing Jon may or may not have done, clearly does not compare to a mother who was marketing her sextuplets before they were even born, and who uses her 2 oldest to keep herself on TV, allows the twins to berate the tups on national TV, and to discipline them (as opposed to herself being a parent) speak volumes.
This is a 101 course on how to use your 13 year old kids to do your job and to try to get a show with them, by taking them on national TV. Disgusting and disgraceful.
Yes that's it. Most of his issues are dependency issues. Everything is stemming from that I believe.
And that's the thing, lots of people have those issues. I just cannot get worked up about it. I'm sorry he has those issues and this show isn't half bad watching him address some of them, but the outrage I see from a few people here I simply cannot feel. Lots of adults have issues. But goodness if I had to add up all the women and some men I've represented with dependency or codependency issues there would be plenty to fill 10 volumes of books.
The good thing about dependency, as opposed to narcissism, is that you CAN work through it in therapy and get better. In fact it's one of the easiest issues to treat. The fact that Jon even recognizes it is huge. I noticed everything he says about therapy is very positive. He is so open to it. After the group session he told the cameras that was really good I feel like this is really helping me. GOOD. Whatever works.
JMO (111) Yes, Kate is using the twins to take care of their younger siblings, as well as using all the kids to do the housework and--even worse--using them to support her. Can you imagine the pressure she puts on those kids to get another show and work? They are kids.They should be playing, not worrying about making money so they don't lose their home.
Here is the untold Bobbit story. When Mrs. Bobbit flung Mr. Bobbit's penis out of the car window it fell across the road. The police were able to find it easily due to many complaints referring to "a large speed bump appearing on the road"
Really? I got the opposite feeling. She absolutely beamed when they were talking about Aaden. And her photographs of the kids with her beautiful pit bull are very sweet. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes. I think she is very fond of the kids, but she shook her head emphatically when Dr Jenn asked if all the kids lived with them and said NO. I think it would be overwhelming. Am I right in assuming she and Jon would live together in this new house? She said she did not want marriage atm but Jon said he did, complete with white picket fence. I agree the pics with the pitbulls were very sweet and I think Liz treats the G kids like her own, but doesn't think a house with 11 kids would be feasible.JMO.
Kate neglects to give him the right of first refusal ALL THE TIME! According to them, the judge will look at it as, "She does this all the time. Why are you just now complaining?". So, they admit that she violates his rights, as spelled out in a court order, but it's okay...because she does it all the time. WTH? IF you rob 30 banks, does that mean it's okay because you rob banks all the time?
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I guess that's why she is never going to get another speeding ticket. The officer will look at her past history and say, "Well, Ms. Gosselin, I see that you've been cited on previous occasions for going 20 miles an hour over the limit, so there's no fine. Just don't exceed that amount." Of course she has her parking space reserved in the fire lane because she parks there all the time. No worries. It's her space, and nobody should complain about it.
Sheeple have never been known for keeping up. They probably still think that the lawsuit is moving forward in federal court. Slow to understand, slow to learn the facts, slow to think logically. Just plain slow.
2 cents: I hope Jon gets a HUGE paycheck. I hope Liz makes him happy, and they get it together, and he files for custody. And someday makes millions with a tell all book and splits the money with his kids.
Even though the show is scripted I will watch it, and some day when Jon's kids are grown, I would love to see him in a reality show like Survivor, bet he would be entertaining.
At the point, no one wants to hear what KK has to say.....but, plenty of people are waiting for Jon to finally open up.
Just a thought about when Jon said he would file for custody when he has the money to do so.
What if Jon is saying that just to throw Kate off? Perhaps, he has the money now but doesn't want to play his hand yet. Kate(and her sheeple) will be thinking that it's never going to happen, that he can't afford it and that she is safe.
Jon, I'm sure got blindsided when Kate filed her lawsuit against him and Robert. I wouldn't blame him for doing the same to Kate.
There's something going on with Collin. Why hasn't he seen his dad since August? He is one of the tups who was acting out and expelled. He is the one Robert said he was writing the book for. Why him, in particular? All the kids were--and are--at risk. All have been abused. But he singled out Collin, without exactly explaining why. Now hearing that he,out of all the tups, is being isolated from his father, is alarming. What is going on with that little boy?
Kate is probably in a complete tizzy right now. You'd think that after her lawsuit, she'd have figured out that Jon is ready to fight back. No, she had to just keep pushing and pushing. And now she's faced, once again, with having her behavior exposed in open court. And with losing her "brand" once and for all. She should have known better. _________________________________________________________
Layla, ITA. While Kate and 6 other individuals still blindly think that she is an important, respected and highly sought after stah, the rest of the country thinks she's a trainwreck. A joke and a trainwreck. We were right all along. Yay us.
The irony here is that Kate did this to herself. She continues to thrust herself into a limelight that she no longer has a place in.
For 7 years, all we've heard from her is how she lives for the kids and they come first, she's only ever wanted to be a mom... blahblah. 2 1/2 yrs. after the show was canceled, she has been unable to get another show. That should be her signal to retire and dedicate her life to making the most of her children's fleeting childhoods. You know, put her money where her mouth is and actually put them first. Instead, we see the exact opposite and poor Mady and Cara were trotted out twice on national tv, the purpose being to trash their father. That is not the actions of someone who puts their children first. That is the actions of someone who is desperately desperate. Kate is so desperate and frustrated with her inability to get another show, she has resorted to creating drama so she can at least keep her name in the tabloids, dragging the twins down with her. These are not the actions of a stable person or a rationally thinking person. She needs help. Jon also needs the family courts to step up and reign her in once and for all. These kids still have a shot at normalcy.
There's something going on with Collin. Why hasn't he seen his dad since August? He is one of the tups who was acting out and expelled. He is the one Robert said he was writing the book for. Why him, in particular? All the kids were--and are--at risk. All have been abused. But he singled out Collin, without exactly explaining why. Now hearing that he,out of all the tups, is being isolated from his father, is alarming. What is going on with that little boy? &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
YES, this bothers me most. Collin was always the one she was trying to "break".....to "happy up", or whatever the stupid term was.
Collin is probably the one she identifies most with Jon, and I can only imagine how many beatings the poor boy has had to endure. It's just outrageous she keeps him hidden.
Kate is a Twit - I thought earlier, either in this thread or the last, Admin had shared that she knows the firm that is representing Jon and she was quite pleased about it.
I suppose just because he consulted with them doesn't mean he can afford to move forward yet, but I had the impression this was a done deal.
Admin - could Jon sue for full custody and have Kate be responsible for picking up the tab?
sparkle (122) I agree with everything you said. I just don't comprehend her desperation. What is so wrong in her life that she is so driven to get another show? Why was she so desperate to get a show in the first place? Normal people are perfectly happy to live their lives without cameras. She had to create this unusual family so she could get attention, then she got that attention and it became more important than anything in the world to her. More important than the people (her children) who get her in that position in the first place. How in the world can anything be more important to a mother than her children?
What happens as more time passes without a show? She will become more desperate, more unhinged, and it's frightening to even think of what she will become. We couldn't have imagined that she would do what she did to Cara and Mady. And yet, she did. She took a huge risk, but she wanted to be on Tv so badly that the risk, for whatever reason, was worth it to her.How big are the risks going to become? How far will she go? And what is going to happen to the kids as a result.
Greetings from Pure Crappy Michigan with too much snow, too cold temps and too much wind. Now on to the other things I wanted to comment about; #1 as the daughter and wife of narcissists I think it is very easy to choose toxic relationships if therapy isn't used. And I think wanting better for your children is a huge reason many people end the relationship, seek therapy and try to move ahead. I did, and still am terrified to seek dating because I don't trust myself mostly, to be able to recognize what I ran from. #2 You can move ahead and away from the abusive behavior but it is always there, tucked away in the back of your mind, and can spring out to terrify you without warning. If you haven't experienced that kind of stress, don't speak badly of us who have.
#3 In regard to Kate; just one thought; " To do the same thing over and over expecting different results is the meaning of insanity" I think this if why Kate never changes her methods.
Adm. my heart goes out to you and Dad, I find myself in the same place with my Mom, only more advanced stage.
To all who post so wittily here, stay warm and remember that old hymn,"Brighten the corner where you are, Someone far from harbor you may guide across the bar, if you brighten the corner where you are."
Layla said... 121 There's something going on with Collin. Why hasn't he seen his dad since August? He is one of the tups who was acting out and expelled. He is the one Robert said he was writing the book for. Why him, in particular? All the kids were--and are--at risk. All have been abused. But he singled out Collin, without exactly explaining why. Now hearing that he,out of all the tups, is being isolated from his father, is alarming. What is going on with that little boy? +++++
I have really been disturbed about Collin.
My parents had a terrible relationship, although they remain married to this day. Yeah, don't ask me how, although they have mellowed with age.
They would have fights and not speak for up to a month at a time. My mother would tell me how horrible he was and my Dad would take me out to dinner at nice restaurants to show her that we were not suffering because she refused to cook. One night when we got home and he went up to his room, she lost it and told me that I was a disloyal little bitch. She said to get my buddy to take me back to school shopping because she wasn't taking me. I knew my father would rather die than take me shopping, so I knew I wasn't getting new school clothes or shoes. And I didn't get any, until late November and only because my father demanded she take me because my previous winter clothes didn't fit. My pants were way over my ankles and the kids laughed at me.
That was her M.O. If I made her angry by associating with the enemy, she'd withhold basic needs or refuse to buy supplies I needed for a school project or to let me go to a birthday party I was looking forward to. If asked my Dad for anything, that would make her angrier. I couldn't win.
Do you know how many people knew that I was being used as a human pawn? Over 20 family members, teachers and friends/neighbors. Do you know how many people reached out to help me? One. My 4th grade teacher. I could cry just thinking about the kindness shown to a terrified and neglected 9 year old. She gave me lunch money, she paid for my school supplies, field trips and often bought me little trinkets and treats. Most importantly, she showed me love and concern. She would keep me after school and tutor me. She tried to get outside intervention for me but at the time, if I wasn't being beaten I wasn't considered to be abused (it was the 70s) Sadly, she retired at the end of the year, I so wish she had still been there for my 5th and 6th grade years. They were brutal. I tried talking to relatives about my plight, but they and everyone else didn't want to get involved in 'family matters.' Everyone looked away.
I had a nervous breakdown in my mid 20s and spent the next 3 years in therapy. I still take medication to this day.
To BV and the Minions: you all seem to think that people just randomly decided one day to "bully" Kate Gosselin for nothing more than shits & giggles. Not true. Actually, many people became involved and wanted to be a voice for the kids because they have a story like mine. More often than not, no one spoke up for them or believed them and the abuse was allowed to continue for years, often with lifelong, devastating effects. Maybe you didn't care for some of the tone and tenor used to defend the kids, but everyone's heart was and is in the right place. People tend to speak out with the intensity that they wish someone had for them when they were suffering. If you can watch those twins on the Today show and say that there is NOTHING wrong with seeing those girls squirm and look miserable and in pain, with their snapping and hissing mother sitting beside them, then God help you. I don't know what else to say.
OMG, there's a shooting at a mall about 30 minutes from my house. Feels like nobody's safe to go anywhere these days! 3 people dead. We have several friends in that town. Too close to home.
gabby2 said... 124 In the simplest of forms, all 3 boys need to see their father regularly. The 3 girl tups as well. ---------------------- Not sure what is going on with the twins, and what Kate is saying, but they will regret this later. I am purely guessing sharing a house with Liz and Jon and her 3 kids is a bit much for the twins. Especially if there is another alpha female on board, living in the home.
On the other hand, I am betting the tups enjoy their time with Jon and that M & C choose not to be around Jon with Liz there. Jon really should do separate activities with his kids, if at all possible. More so with this blended family, but also because Kate will never do it.
Didn't Jon file for custody of the kids when Kate was on DWTS? That is one of the reasons she "practiced" in her basement if I remember correctly. He was not totally free from TLC at the time so he had a hard time getting results.
Lauren @ljohnson2006 15m I hope that @Kateplusmy8 and her kids are able to do another show. So many great opportunities came from it.
Other than traveling, what great opportunities came from it? They can't travel without having a reality television show? Why not? Other kids travel and go on vacations, probably not as extensively as those children did, but did they really need to be dragged on filming expeditions? Opportunities such as luxury hotels, being first in line at amusement parks, getting free gifts from fans, receiving freebies from various persons that Kate decided to grift? Seems like along with opportunities also came entitlement. Is that a good thing?
Do they really NEED those things, or are those the perks they would expect to receive just because they WANT them? Amazing how other kids have opportunities presented to them without cameras shoved in their faces.
I got the feeling that Liz (on CT) does not want a lot of kids living with them. What if Jon does get the tups? Will she be upset? She has been good with them on visits as far as we know. With her own, that'll make 9 kids!
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You know, for all we know Liz could be the one who told Jon he'd better get those kids away from Kate. From what I've read about Liz, she recognizes a shrew when she sees one.
So, that Lauren person hopes that Kate and the get another show because it gave them great opportunities. Kate and the kids had their chance. They got plenty of opportunities. Why not let another family experience them? Why only Kate's family? These "opportunities" they got are things that Kate can pay for herself. She has millions. She simply refuses to pay for these things herself. If the opportunities are real important to her, then why doesn't she pay for them so the kids don't have to go without? Millions of families each year pay for their own vacations, without having the kind of money that Kate has, because it is important to them. If travel is important to Kate, she has the money for it. She already has the house, the cars, and the heated pool, not to mention the private schools for 8. Let her pay for the rest for once.
When I start getting upset at what I read here, I am learning that it is because my point of view is not being respected or validated, which simply raises my emotional temperature.
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I think that if it gets to the point where someone is upset and their emotional temperature starts rising, then they need to take a break, stop reading and commenting. I would hope that if one is in that situation that they know enough about themselves to just step back, rather than telling posters to dial it down a bit.
But that's just me and what I would do.
Admin and the blog gals do an excellent job in monitoring here, not letting the discussions get out of control to the point where posters are insulted and opinions are quashed.
Sparkle, that's horrible. Thank goodness for that one special teacher. A shame no one else would intervene, even in your family, your own relatives. Your school did not do too much for you, I gather, seeing your neglect, but doing nothing officially.
Re; The twins visiting Jon. Possibly they 'look down" on Liz re: her lack of designer clothes and materialism, so unlike their dear Mommy. A little brainwashing and bribing works wonders at that age. JMO.
Re: Collin. I think maybe he tells Jon 'too much." I also thinks TFW likes to punish him, and has since babyhood.Poor little guy. I wish a teacher would intervene for him.Yes, he has the material trappings, but surely professionals working with children can see something's wrong here.
I think Kate has been on twitter silence because Jon announced getting an emergency court order to deal with kate violating the rules of the custody agreement.
Either she herself or her law team have told her to stop tweeting.
>>>or, Kate is a basket case as seen on Kate's World, in the back seat of the limo, unable to make a decision for herself, and Stevio having to plan her day for her, because Kate wasnt able to cope with Jon filing for custody of the kids during her DWTS stint.
Without going back and researching, I think things got a bit better after that court dealings, that maybe even though Jon might know he wont win, it might at least shake the girl up to realize she cant get away with this crap.
As awful as Kate is, I think the longer you let her go doing things her way, the more tyrant she becomes, but I cant help but wonder if deep down, in her original foundation, there is a part of her morality that once stirred, tells her she isnt being a very nice person .
This may have been the part that was stirred when kate was doing her " I've changed tour, I've matured, I am not that person you saw in J&K+8, I know I was not nice, and have to control my tongue"
It lasted for but a brief period of time, until panic set in adn her "piecing and patching" did not work out the way she thought it would.
It is starting to sound like things began to unravel in the summer:
1. Kate was adamant the Hate on the world wide web was being fueled by her ex and his journalist friend.. She enlisted the help of BV and that didnt do anything but stir up negative publicity which I believe fueled even further Kate's vile hatred for her ex, and began to cloud her vision of being a good parent.
2. Kate's blog with The Stir ended. Kate had thought the interest in " The year of the teenager" was going to jump start the family career back into the spotlight.
3. Kates dream with her crookbook, began to unravel as it did not have the pre-sales, she thought they would have. Even the Book tour didnt drum up enough of anything.
4. Kate files the lawsuit certain this was going to be her ah ha moment in shutting down the haters, and proving to the world how insidious her ex and that journalist were. Little did she know, that the ex and that journalist would be bullied by kate and BV amd had some of the attourneys in the land step to fight their cause.
5. Jon gets interviewed with the Round Table. Whaaa??? Kate cant believe it!!!!
This is about the time Collin apparantly stops seeing dad. Kate tried to piece n patch some $$ by blogging about a couple of business's out there , but that was undermined for a variety of reasons ( haters contacting companies, further explotiing of her kids, and Kates inability to write a good review and follow the law of blogging with compensation)
6. Kates twins turn 13. Something tells me this is a magical age when in divorce they have more say about what they want to do, so the brainwashing becomes easier.
7. Remember Jon? He has that powerful lawyer, and gains confidence to get his voice back. I think they know long before announcing it publicly that they have Kate. She has backed herself into a corner where her lies are about to be exposed.
In November Jon says publically that he feels some of the kids have developmental concerns, and this turns Kate into a freaking tizzy! She gives Her Response on November 4, 2013.
8. On November 19, Kate drops her lawsuit, as she knows she has no case, and does not want to go through discovery in court.
Kates does damage control by posting the day before the lawsuit announcment being dropped, a blog with pictures of her kids for halloween. Almost 3 weeks late.
A few days after her announcement of dropping the lawsuit...Zorro arrives! Another major deflection. It works, it gives her sheeple something to talk about rather then baaing about the lawsuit.
Conveniently, there is no blog response about why she had to drop her lawsuit but Kate does tweet " Dont stress about the doors closed behind you. New doors will open if you keep moving forwards".
9. During the month of November, Jon begins to get all kinds of publicity, and low and behold, its positive. Oprah... and a few others, and also Jon is seen on a flight to LA. Why does He get to go to LA. Kate's blood begins to boil.
10. Kate begins to mastermind....
11. Kate tweets " Mady to me: Its not your fault you are so fabulous" so now we know where the fabulous is coming from. Perhaps a saying Kate and Mady have to each other... Kate is making a minime
12. Interesting tweet on Dec 5: Kate says all 8 will have braces in next 9 months. Thats by Aug 14. Lets see if she can keep that fact a truth.
13: Interesting Tweet on Dec 12: after earlier saying that they will def see 1direction in '14 if mady Gosselin has her way, Kate tweets an insinuation that even if they run ou of tickets it may not be a problem anyways. Is this the beginning of ' Growing Up Gosselin" and Kates hope of a reality tv show for them. Then the gates will open to any and all venues they want to go to? #wishfulthinking?
Kate wonders why people think she is grifting something, and Kate responds with .. I havent announced anything, but cant reveal the final result... #seerightthruyou
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Dec 8
@XXXXXXX oh no! Was quite a challenge.... But can't reveal outcome yet!
14: The start of encouraging the great division between her kids?
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Dec 12
Leah:what's a pet peeve? Me:things that bother a person a lot Leah: oh..well, I have a lot of pet peeves then...Lexi ur my pet peeve
masterminded The Growing Up Gosselin Tour? Kate's happied up in December. Kate knows whats coming beginning of jan 2014 ....
16. Jan 16, the Today Show... Kate is seen GIDDY before the live taping. Live interview BOMBS!!! Kate goes to twitter to do DAMAGE CONTROL. Retweets every posiive comment supporting the twins on the Today show. #notmanypositivetweets
Feels redeemed by The View # kategottheupperhandhappiedthetwinsup
Even the littles LOVE watchingt the View where Kate encouraged one big sister are to say #notsonicethingsabout them
Meagler says #sosad
17. Kate continues deflection strategies up till Jan 22, when Jon announces his plan to sue for custody of the younger 6.
Kate goes silent on twitter. Kates mania turns into...
And I envision the backseat of that limo, bact in the DWTS days, when kate has fallen apart.....
Sparkle @ 128, what a great post. Bravo. It takes courage to tell your story and I too believe that many of us are here to bear witness to what is happening to the G kids and to call out the abuse.
Ex-Nurse: I always appreciate your well thought out posts and whether we all agree or not it is good to have a discussion approaching issues from different viewpoints. Please continue to give your opinions. Differing opinions give some of us food for thought and can challenge our own stances and allow us to alter what we think or make us firm up our positions. It is imo all good.
To Sparkle! {{hugs}} thanks for sharing your story. It is hard for some to imagine what might go on behind some closed doors, and how adults sometimes do not do the right things.
I wanted to see what the (very quiet) sheep were saying about this, so I read one of their blogs and their take on it all is just like Kate's must be. They said that Jon will lose because...get this...Kate neglects to give him the right of first refusal ALL THE TIME! --------------- Layla, can you give a source for this? I couldn't find it using my friend google or looking through the tweets and blogs of "the usual suspects". I want to read it to see who is really that stupid (not real name, of course, but which persona). And find out what else they're saying!
Ex nurse, I think everyone is here because we have strong emotions and opinions about everything that is happening. We all come from different backgrounds and points of view and some of the lively back and forth I have seen has been eye opening (and I mean in a good way). I always respect your input although I don't always agree. For instance I do agree that Jon with his flaws and shortcomings is not well equipped to sort out this mess. But who is? The status quo is a disaster and only getting worse. What other hope is there?
I know Jon didn't have a good experience with Dr. Phil but now that there is so much evidence, I wonder if we could write Dr. Phil and ask him to interview on Jon's behalf. He always offer the best help to anyone who will take it. It's a thought. Especially after seeing the clip I just posted. Everyone please watch it.
Math Girl (152) It is on the Ziggyflo blog. It was dead for a long time, but since the sheple aren't tweeting much, I thought they must be discussing it somewhere. And they are! Of course, 99% of what they are saying is wrong, but that's why they don't want to tweet. They don't want anyone to set the record straight. It's kind of funny and scary at the same time to see how delusional they really are.
Meagler, Great timeline! We had all the puzzle pieces, but when you put them all together, the big picture is so clear. And I love all your hashtags! Way to show #hashhags TFW and Milo that they're not the only ones who can use them! #hashhags
I know Jon didn't have a good experience with Dr. Phil but now that there is so much evidence, I wonder if we could write Dr. Phil and ask him to intervene on Jon's behalf.155
Jon and those children need professional assistance from someone with the expertise to help.them, not from an unlicensed Industrial/Organizational psychologist who has a public forum thanks to Oprah.
Ex-Nurse wrote...For whatever reason he is like that, he is hardly emotionally equipped to handle a full-time, very flawed and troubled, relationship, hold down a job and take on full-time custody of 5 abused children
Wow, and you know this how? Are you a therapist now? The reason many get so exasperated with you is that no matter what, you constantly and continually criticize Jon, even when he's done something positive.
Ex Nurse said... 136 Pressed publish too soon... I respect everyone's viewpoint and I wish that dissent with the majority was appreciated, because I think that many people have left, or really filter their responses because they don't want their own personal experiences jumped on. Sorry for the run-on sentence--for nice, the sun is shining and I am off to take my labradoodles to the dog park! ****** I don't think I'm alone in appreciating your responses. I know it's the "Minority Report"! at times. Labradoodle? OMG! So cute We took our Beardie out to the farmers market first thing this a.m. and he came back and huddled in his bed for an hour! Too brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Dogs are much better now, what with the smell of peanut butter kisses and sauerbraten in the air. The temps have been brutal. I hope our friend out in Kate's country has her outdoor cats indoors listening to music!
Ex-Nurse said: When I start getting upset at what I read here, I am learning that it is because my point of view is not being respected or validated, which simply raises my emotional temperature.
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I'm not sure it's the responsibility of other posters here to validate anyone's point of view, or perhaps I'm not understanding the comment. Are you saying that it causes anxiety because when you state an opinion, nobody rushes to agree with that opinion, or give respect even though they don't agree with it? I'm confused, as always.
Thank you all for your kind words! It wasn't easy to write about that dark time. My parents are fully aware that their treatment of me led to my mental illness. They actually seemed shocked, like "oh, that?" "I didn't do that, did I?" Ever since they have really tried to make amends, almost to the point of over compensating. They were married very young, both 17 (they "had" to get married) they were immature and they are two of the most stubborn people I know. I give them some credit for not having any more children. One was always going to file for divorce the next day, they knew they didn't need more kids.
It's hard to watch the obvious alienation Kate inflicts on her children. She hates Jon more than she loves the kids, she has to win, even it's at the expense of their futures. They are pawns, bargaining chips and collateral to her.
I know the sheeple all read here and salivate over every post. I know they feel that Kate has the full right to exploit her children and use them to earn her a living, we should just let her alone. I'm saying it's not right and this is why. I ask them to please look past today's tweeted picture or K+8 twittersode and look 10 years into the future. Please pray that the isolated fishbowl they've grown up in doesn't affect their adult mental health or personal relationships.
It is on the Ziggyflo blog. It was dead for a long time, but since the sheple aren't tweeting much, I thought they must be discussing it somewhere. And they are! --------------- Thanks Layla. I saw piggy's post but hadn't clicked through to the comments. I'm sure they will provide hours of amusement and frustration.
Ex-Nurse, I'm wondering if you are seeing Jon through the filter of your husband. A lot of us don't have that same filter, so we don't view his actions the same way you do. Then you get frustrated because we don't have the same reaction.
I hope our friend out in Kate's country has her outdoor cats indoors listening to music!
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Checking in here. My house guests have been inside for a week. I check the temperature every day, thinking that one of these afternoons they will be fine to spend some time outside in the sun. It hasn't happened yet. It looks like they'll be enjoying their breakfast in bed for at least the next week or so.
I've never seen anything like this. The temperatures are nasty, even during the day, it's just too cold for them outside, I bought them some toys, and catnip, and they seem content for now, with no litter box accidents. Thank goodness.
Math Girl (168), Don't worry, "Piggy" works just fine when you're talking about her. What's really fun is reading back through some of the past threads (her recent threads got only a handful of comments, if any) and seeing how very wrong and idiotic they are. I especially loved when they talked about Kate's lawsuit and kept saying, "When Kate wins this case (and she WILL win)". Oh, that one just cracks me up.
So, now we know why they're so quiet on Twitter. They are posting there instead, and the Truthers can't set them straight when they're wrong. That way they can stick their fingers in their ears and yell "lalalala" instead of hearing the truth.
I obviously have too much time on my hands and doing some procrastinating..LOL...
Kids writing exams so there is a quiet lull in the home front. Kind of good timing since activities are curtailed till we speak with surgeon early next week.
Taking a mental health break as we know the next emotional round will be when daughter is given her activity restrictions. There will be enough to deal with then, so am trying really hard to not dwell on it now.
Off to do some organizing/cleaning while I have a chance. Will keep popping in. :)
So, now we know why they're so quiet on Twitter. They are posting there instead, and the Truthers can't set them straight when they're wrong. That way they can stick their fingers in their ears and yell "lalalala" instead of hearing the truth.
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But that kind of defeats their whole purpose, doesn't it? There's no controversy, no sniping back and forth at the haters. What kind of satisfaction do they get out of that -- with everyone agreeing with each other? Does Milo post there? I've never been to that site.
"Thanks Layla. I saw piggy's post but hadn't clicked through to the comments. I'm sure they will provide hours of amusement and frustration.
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I laughed out loud when I read that. Sometimes autocorrect knows exactly what it's doing!
Paula (162) said..."The reason many get so exasperated with you is that no matter what, you constantly and continually criticize Jon, even when he's done something positive."
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I risk getting flamed for saying this, but I think that the reason some get frustrated with this person's posts is because of the tone of the posts -- kind of like this person is right and everyone else is wrong, and when there is no disagreement or comment, another post such as the recent one appears. It's almost like an attempt to stir things up by playing the victim card.
Paula 168 Wow, and you know this how? Are you a therapist now? The reason many get so exasperated with you is that no matter what, you constantly and continually criticize Jon, even when he's done something positive. ----------------------- Ouch..that hurts my heart. I often get frustrated at Ex Nurse's comments and, to my shame, have posted sometimes not using diplomacy. I do, more often than not, get angry at her posts and I have to remind myself that people form and speak their opinions according to what they have experienced and how they have processed what they have been through. It rarely means that they a good or bad person.
EVERYONE seeks validation in one form or another. How many of us go back to make sure their post went through and if anyone has commented on it. That in it's self is looking for validation of some sort. I know that I often get my feelings hurt when I have taken time and have spoken from my heart and no one comments. I have also experienced being attacked for not agreeing, not much now days but I think that most here have realized that error and have worked very hard on changing how they word their comments. If not! HEY...at least they read and commented on my post and have not just thrown my comment to the wind.
Ex Nurse, I am very sorry for my part in not allowing you to voice your opinion without fear of being JUDGED or ATTACKED. It hurts and it sucks. From this point on I will do my very best to not do it again. To you or anyone else here. Sorry that you have felt uncomfortable. It can be a lonely place.
I can understand what you're going through. I had a partner of a few years who was very clingy and quite he would put up with a lot of crap from people.
I basically had to tell him to man up and stick up for himself. We're still working on his issues.
Everyone here has their opinion, obviously as that is why we post here and what makes this place so special. I love a good debate and back and forth. It's is when someone puts forth their opinion and assumes that everyone else should agree with her/him. It's highly disrespectful to keep going on and on trying to force people to agree with you and then playing the victim when they don't.
Big hug to sparkle. I went through some bad things too and I know how you feel. 2 teachers saw my whelps on my back when I was about 9 and they asked me what happened and I told them my 5 year old brother had jumped all over my back. I knew if I told them my dad did it, it would be worse.
I totally agree. Colin is TFW's whipping boy.
Just like a dr. that owns a local ambulance co. (not the one I use) every month puts a small amount of money in the bank to cover the employees checks. Whoever is lucky enough to get to the bank and get their check cashed is very lucky. Many employee checks are bounced and they go weeks and weeks without pay. People that don't deserve this. Paramedics, ambulance drivers, EMT's. They work hard and they SAVE LIVES!
He's ponyied up with a law team that gets him around the loopholes. Also, they are charged overdrafts and it is a mess. Shameful, just shameful.
I was on Facebook yesterday and someone I know said while she was at the dr.s office with her dh doing an MRI, posted, Guess what? Just found out that my check bounced! I posted, I am so sorry. You know what? He won't keep doing that forever. Just like TFW. She won't keep on mentally and physically abuse the kids and the pets forever. Her gold and silver will turn to canker just like the dr.'s. It won't last forever the abuse, but the memories will haunt and torment them for the rest of their lives. And I pray that it will be none or minimal.
Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Matthew 5:9 KJV
Thanks for the tip about Ziggy's blog. She's busily putting Jon down, then writes: "The ewe factor is running around 200%." I think she means "ew," but for her, I'd say "ewe" works just fine!
About finding John Bobbitts, you know, I wonder if they called in the "Bloodhounds"? lol
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I'm remembering the joke that went around during that time. His wife went to get a haircut, and when they asked her how she wants it styled/cut, she replied, "Just bob-it."
Ouch..that hurts my heart. I often get frustrated at Ex Nurse's comments and, to my shame, have posted sometimes not using diplomacy. I do, more often than not, get angry at her posts and I have to remind myself that people form and speak their opinions according to what they have experienced and how they have processed what they have been through. It rarely means that they a good or bad person.
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Very true, but I'm not sure exactly what ex-nurse wants from the posters here. An apology for not agreeing with her? Agreeing with her even though they don't? Allowing her criticism of Jon to continue without responding or discussing their own opinions? What are her expectations of the posters here?
Good observation from SCgal (169) regarding her seeing Jon through the filter of her husband, but isn't that what Goody does? She has issues with Jon because of what she apparently has been through in a nasty divorce. Problem is, she won't let it go, and she gets called out on it because everything Jon does is wrong. From her, it gets tiring after awhile.
Speaking of which...where is Goody? Flocking to the other blog with the rest of the sheep?
Njay said... 177 Ex Nurse, I am very sorry for my part in not allowing you to voice your opinion without fear of being JUDGED or ATTACKED. It hurts and it sucks. From this point on I will do my very best to not do it again. To you or anyone else here. Sorry that you have felt uncomfortable. It can be a lonely place.
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Ditto. I was attacked for saying "Man Up". I have a right to my opinion about Jon which tend to waver based on his behavior LOL. RIght now I feel much the way I did when he acted out when they were getting divorced. I just wanted him to continue to be the good guy and he kept giving ammunition to the people who said otherwise. If we all agreed we would be a sheeple blog.
@Meagler said... I enjoyed you long post! You made TFW sound so Bi-Polar. I don't have twitter but sounds like it has gotten very quiet...the wine must be working. I wouldn't want to be around TFW right now and do fear for the kids and verbal abuse that I am sure is happening now.
Wow, and you know this how? Are you a therapist now?
That doesn't seem like a very respectful response. I would much prefer to see us debate the topic at hand, rather than being disrespectful to other posters.
You don't have to like what they say, but everyone's entitled to their opinion, no?
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 56s @Paula__M__B @Kateplusmy8 Gave granddaughter Kate's cookbook a gift & she is now learning to cook with Kate's book & loves the recipes:)
I hope she gave her an electric can opener as well. What more would she need?
I think there is a very small number of very outspoken Team Jon posters who seem to want to completely quell and control the conversation
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Stuff like this is a violation of rule 3 and is why I firmly believe you are here to derail this blog. Intentional or unintentional I don't know, but this is pretty much what, your fourth or fifth warning?
Enough. Stop derailing my blog, stop going on and on and on and on about the same things, stop accusing the posters here of this that and the other thing. We're just not this blog.
Local is one who is not very happy with Jon right now, if she doesn't mind my saying so. Read her posts to learn how to express displeasure with whatever it is without DERAILING. Otherwise I'm going to delete your posts, and that I really don't want to do to someone who has never been a problem before until recently.
Admin: I too would not want to deal with any ex who is like Kate. I would be running the other way asap.
Can we say in extreme big letters: KATE YOUR PLAN TO USE YOUR TWINS TO GET BACK ON TV BACKED FIRED! BIG TIME!!!!!
I just can back from shopping, and there are 3 mag rags with articles of the Gosselin kids, wanting to go & live with Daddy, and Jon taking Kate to court to get custody, and how the kids are treated by Kate, one article even did a comparision, between Jon & Kates parenting, it was day to night. Kate has been quiet for 2 1/2 days, now, must be on phone with lawyer, and planning her next move, since this blew up in her face. You know even thought the twins went on the View, and did a normal/mediocre interview, the Today show one is the one people are remembering & talking about.
SwingsandRoundabouts said... 150 Ex-Nurse: I always appreciate your well thought out posts and whether we all agree or not it is good to have a discussion approaching issues from different viewpoints. <---me, too.
Ex-Nurse....I was hoping you would weigh in. I was interested to see what your take on this would be.
I don't always agree with you, but you often provide an interesting perspective. I think where you sometimes run into trouble is that you keep posting a perspective over and over when it's obvious that no one is going to agree with you. Time to drop it, then (no offense intended). And I do think, as someone above suggested, that you run your opinion of Jon’s behavior thru the filter of your husband’s behavior. But we all do that….run it thru our personal filter. It’s just that for most of us our personal filter is TFW, not Jon.
To address some of your points… For what it is worth, IMO we are seeing the real Jon on CT… That’s my impression, too. He can appear well-spoken, articulate, clean-cut, but I really wonder if what we saw on CT is the ‘real’ Jon. Maybe. Sometimes I think that he doesn’t really know who he is. He just mirrors whichever woman he is with at the time.
he is hardly emotionally equipped to handle a full-time, very flawed and troubled, relationship, hold down a job and take on full-time custody of 5 abused children. …. If he is with someone who is nurturing and patient, then I might feel differently. However, Jon does not seem to attract, or be attracted to, that type of person.….. True enough. He does seem to be attracted to women who are dominant. Something to work on, I guess. But it’s not any different than TFW, who is mean/evil and obviously has a lot to work on. She isn’t in a position to handle the kids any better than he is, IMO.
I just don't think that we can lay all of his obvious character flaws at TFW's feet. …. some of it, he brought with him True. Thus the need for some heavy duty therapy.
Ziggy was the first sheeple to really viciously attack me. She accused me of begging for donations to pay back student loans, which anyone who has been here since the beginning knows never happened. It was literally a lie out of thin air. But even if someone did do that, and many people have, if you don't want to give someone money you don't have to. Geez, no one is pulling your arm. Such a big deal out of nothing. I don't understand why anyone finds such things amusing or interesting.
ARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 7m @SpinoWino @Paula__M__B @Kateplusmy8 Stop fool you can't steal someone's recipe's. Do some research on that & you'll find out. ROFL #troll
Oh. My. Word. Is it just me, or are the sheeple getting dumber as time goes on?
Rhymes with Witch said... 160 Jon and those children need professional assistance from someone with the expertise to help.them, not from an unlicensed Industrial/Organizational psychologist who has a public forum thanks to Oprah. ---------------------- Rhymes, I agree with you for the most part. I'm looking at the big picture. I think what he would get while they film is definitely not enough to benefit him. But if you watched the clip I posted and saw his strong view about parental alienation he and his team would find a way to help Jon. He always offers help with getting the best help there is around where they live. With the conviction he showed about removing the children from the one who is using the kids and alienating from the other parent. I really think he would help Jon get the kids.
When he did what he did with Kate, there wasn't any proof that she was the problem and that she abused the kids. There is so much proof lately that there is no way he can dispute that it is not happining. I also believe he would get Jon help with removing them. His views were pretty strong against children being turned against the other parent.
To BV and the Minions: you all seem to think that people just randomly decided one day to "bully" Kate Gosselin for nothing more than shits & giggles. Not true.
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You know how Jon says the biggest misconception is that he cheated on Kate?
I think the biggest misconception about the "haters" is that they just one day decided to pick on Kate. It's funny how similar most people's stories were. Most of us liked this show. It was usually for most of us a very slow process until Kate did so many bad deeds we couldn't take it anymore and turned on her. She ran out of "benefit of the doubts."
Sparkle...my heart is sad for the little girl that you once were.
I am in the same predicament with my granddaughter. There's stuff, not enough that anyone in authority is going to do anything about. But still stuff that is very ala TFW.
I can't offer much in the way of support, because then I'm denied all access to her. The best I can do is limited support, and try to maintain what contact I can with her. I really struggle with what is the right thing to do, and have shed many, many tears over this situation and prayed many prayers.
My hope was that when she's over 18 we can talk and I can tell her how much I tried to help but was denied. Unfortunately, at age 10, she is starting to become her mother. It's just sad.
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lol!! I tried that awhile back and found that I lived several states away, in a rural location that I couldn't even find on a map. All I could find was a swamp by the same name. I guess I don't get out much.
If your balls are that itchy that they require direct fingernail scratching, might want to go see a doctor.
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Maybe some guys just like to scratch their balls whether they itch or not, kind of like once you start scratching your head, you just keep on going, after the itch is gone. It feels good. We had a prof in college who used to do that in class. A very bold student asked him why he did it, and he said that it just felt good. Of course, years later we noticed that he was bald. He was also very weird.
Sounds like she made a mountain out of a molehill.
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I'll bet it went from a mountain to a molehill after her hissyfit.
getofftwiitter said, "Ten years of being married to Kate, really did a number on him. I'm sure Jon took those marriage vows, when he got married seriously,"
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I wonder if Kate got married seriously, or not seriously.
Jon told the Philly reporter he turned down a dozen or so TV offers. Why he chose this rather than one of the other offers is a mystery to me. I mean, I get the money thing or the timing thing but really, he made it sound like he turns things down right and left. Yet he selected this?
NJGal51; I've tried Musher's Secret. Win (bully) did well with it but the boneheaded Boxer continually tried to lick it off! lol I broke down and bought Ty (Boxer) booties this year. He looks so ridiculous that I won't take him outside. He highsteps - like a horse - and I swear the neighbor dog laughs and both of us ;)
Anyone that would leave any domestic pet outside in the brutal cold a lot of us are having now, should be reported. Not only is our Boxer in the house, on the tempurpedic, tucked under the blankets and has his own feather pillow. I kid you not, I tell my husband that we're sick! LOL
Jon is never going to find someone without issues. I think it's like what Admin said, he'll have to wait til his late forties before he'll find someone truly compatible and able to handle the situation he got himself into. It's sad but there's far worse in life and now he needs to concentrate on helping his children. As I said before, TFW is beyond help.
How would Liz feel if Jon threw a fit because she was masturbating. Or reading a steamy romance novel or taking a warm bath or whatever. I know men are more into that but some of the things women do are really the same idea. We're sexual creatures and it's nothing to be ashamed of.
A sheeple tweeted:
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 4h
@UseCmmonSense @radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Because Hoffman's journal is a FAKE! She copyrighted the real one she wrote, not Jon and Hoffman's
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I guess that's one way to spin it. I wonder if they had a conference call in the barnyard to come up with that one.
Formerly Duped said... 192
What a weird thing for CT to set up, if that's what it is ( the private moment) What does that prove- that he and Liz are not compatible in the sack?
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Because it's salacious, they go for the "shock" factor. It's VH1, just a smidge above TLC on the "trash" meter. It's lazy
easy"scripted" reality. Go for the "what did he/she just say/do?"
This is a little different because it's a one time deal for these guys, but If you look at the Real Housewives, they outdo themselves. The crazier, more violent or "sexy" you behave, chances are they'll keep you on.
Theresa's infamous table flip set the standard.
It is actually somewhat funny the mess that TFW has gotten herself into by pimping the twins on the talk shows. Who is her advisor nowadays or PR person? Is it purse boy? If so, what a hoot! Its almost like whoever it is hates her.
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I agree with the above poster that Liz was the one set up by the producer and Jon. Makes perfect sense in order to get a genuine reaction, therefore I believe those who watched are seeing the real Liz. The reality shows are scripted but the "talent" are not actors, therefore situations are contrived for reaction. Good insight from above poster. ITA it was set up.
I sincerely hope we are coming to the end of this 'did he or did he not' conversation. For me the only relevance CT has is that it apparently provided JG with the funds to move closer to his children and get his ex back in court (hopefully). I honestly do not care what Liz wears, how she looks, talks or even how she and Jon get along. The kids seem to like her, and that's all I need to know. My two cents, that's all.
This is an interesting article from Tom Green. Isn't he Canadian?? ;)
"It used to be if you were 16 and pregnant you would get in trouble. Now you get a reality show. You get arrested on TV after a drunken binge and become an instant millionaire. Compromise your morals and make a sex tape and it may get you enough attention to land a lucrative fragrance deal. What kind of message does this send to young people? Why is it that television networks today feel the need to reward bad behavior? The simple answer is increased competition for ratings and money. But celebrating stupidity by mainstream media is not morally justified.
Now hold on a second here? I know some people may think that I, Tom Green, should be the last guy to write a diatribe against reality TV. Isn't Tom Green the guy who humped a dead moose? Isn't he the guy who painted pornography on his parent's car? Yes, I worked hard to put together an experimental show on a budget of zero. But I was not being exploited by anyone. I was in charge."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-green/reality-tv-rewarding-bad-_b_3606641.html
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So says Justin Bieber's father.
That man's son has a serious problem with drugs. He is 19 years old and is apparently allowed to roll into whatever club he wants to, as long as he flashes enough $100 bills.
He was arrested for DUI and attempting to illegally drag race. In fact, Daddy was parking cars with the rest of the posse to block the road. There are photographs to support all this.
I read that Justin's manager had a private plane on standby all day yesterday, ready to take Justin to rehab. Justin won't go and has been holed up with his father.
I would love to know what lies the elder Bieber is referring to and who exactly the enemy is? The people who want to help this young man and see him get well?
Another case of a parent sticking their head in the sand and putting money before being A PARENT. I hate when that happens. Mr. Bieber seems to be more interested in being his son's bestie, rather than making sure this kid doesn't end up in a "Stars We Lost in 2014" montage.
Maybe some guys just like to scratch their balls whether they itch or not, kind of like once you start scratching your head, you just keep on going, after the itch is gone. It feels good.
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Lol:)
And why do women rub their eyes in the morning? Because they don't have balls to scratch
badabum!
And the rest of the women to them were weird examples of what women should not look like.
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You lost me! LOL!
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A sheeple tweeted:
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 4h
@UseCmmonSense @radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Because Hoffman's journal is a FAKE! She copyrighted the real one she wrote, not Jon and Hoffman's
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I guess that's one way to spin it. I wonder if they had a conference call in the barnyard to come up with that one.
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Just the other week Milo mentioned FreeConferenceCall.com. I never knew such a thing existed. I totally believe they use it regularly to create their spin when Kate is in the news.
I think Jon is too tired of Reality set up crap to act for the cameras. I think it was edited in such a way that it would drum up drama. With all these people and the issues they carry, there is enough drama happening that they don't need to act. A little editing and you have the perfect scene you wanted. We have to remember that therapy lasted all day everyday. Not just the short hours worth we see.
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 4h
@UseCmmonSense @radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Because Hoffman's journal is a FAKE! She copyrighted the real one she wrote, not Jon and Hoffman's
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Well then, when is Kate going to publish "real" Mommy's Journal?
I hope the CT controversy does not overshadows Kate's shenanigans with the twins on the talk shows. Jon's interviews about the plight of the kids would be taken more seriously IMO if he were not on the show. But then, he needs the money...catch 22.
I wanted to weigh in on the privacy issues re: Jon's interviews with In Touch magazine and his appearance on CT.
I'm firmly Team Jon, but by no means think he is perfect. I've skimmed his In Touch interviews in the check-out lane and will give him/In Touch kudos re: pictures of the children as except for one (the twins on the Today Show) all of the pictures appear to be older/originally put out there by TFMJG or from her show. I don't see much wrong with Jon's recent interviews and speaking out in the media as he's been muzzled for years and TFMJG always used the media for her agenda of the moment. It must feel strange and upsetting to TFMJG to know that the balance in the public's perception of her has shifted so much. But she brought it on herself with those two interviews last week. I've also scanned some of this week's rag magazines and with the exception of The Star, where she only rated a picture of her and the twins on one of the shows with a small write-up, there was nothing. So I'm thinking the dueling magazine covers won't happen again. She's stuck with feeding stories to ROL as no magazine with a good reputation will touch her right now. However, I do agree with a lot of other posters that he should stop with the interviews and save it for the court hearings.
As for Couples Therapy, it's just a reality show and everyone knows how real they are vs. the amount of scripting that goes into it. I don't know if he and Liz will end up together, but hopefully he has learned enough to take time to reflect on what he does want and change some of his previous behaviors in relationships.
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 4h
@UseCmmonSense @radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Because Hoffman's journal is a FAKE! She copyrighted the real one she wrote, not Jon and Hoffman's
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WTH? (smacks forehead) Do they REALLY think Robert (and Jon) would go to the extremes of writing a "fake journal"?
Is this the Ewe with the massive alleged medical problems? (I get them confused sometimes.) Because if it is, I think she might also have received a head injury somewhere along the line. Good grief, how dumb.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 7
How would Liz feel if Jon threw a fit because she was masturbating. Or reading a steamy romance novel or taking a warm bath or whatever. I know men are more into that but some of the things women do are really the same idea. We're sexual creatures and it's nothing to be ashamed of.
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Careful Admin. You're going to get Milo all worked up into lusty hallucinations of Kate again.
I thought the same thing, AuntieAnn -- let's see this "real" journal! Slap a cover on that sucker, and let the printing of 50,000 start rolling!
I bet it says things like, "XXXXX had an accident this afternoon. Poor sweet boy. I got him cleaned up and said, 'Better luck next time, buddy,' and gave him some extra M&M's. He hugged me so tightly
that it made me cry. I'm so lucky to have been blessed with 8 healthy babies."
I guess TFW's fans forgot to do a headcount when they came up with
the latest company line that the journal printed was fake. Because
one of the biggest fans not long ago tweeted that it may very well be true, but that it didn't matter, because it was about things TFW did years ago. Get your stories straight, guys - it's hard to keep up
with the spin.
I'm confused about what is happening with Colin. Someone on the last page mentioned he wasn't seen coloring. We are told that Jon hasn't seen Colin in a long time. Why is he being singled out to stay home? Why isn't he going on visitation? It doesn't make any sense to me. Kate certainly didn't seem to favor him. But if there's a visitation schedule, can he be kept home as "punishment"? Why is he the separate one?
Jeanne, I think Kate's least favorite tups are Colin and Alexis. She mentioned Colllin's challenging her during the aftermath of the divorce and had Alexis labelled as a 'wild child' on the show J&K+8's opening. When A was sent to sleep all alone in the basement, she referred to her as a 'bat." Those two happened to be the ones with behavior problems at school and were expelled. She separates Alexis from Leah and Hannah, and Collin was the one who received the brunt of the abuse as a baby/toddler, possibly now. Collin has changed from a high-spirited little boy to a skinny shadow of his former self, as seen in photos and CWS etc. Jon mentions he hasn't seen Collin for months. I noticed in her recent twit pic of the tups coloring, Collin was not there. Just curious. I worry most about him now.
FF - yep, that would explain the delay in publishing. It'll take her years to rewrite history, or I should say to 'set the record straight'.
Maybe some guys just like to scratch their balls whether they itch or not, kind of like once you start scratching your head, you just keep on going, after the itch is gone. It feels good.
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Lol:)
And why do women rub their eyes in the morning? Because they don't have balls to scratch
badabum!
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LMAO :)
Let me try that title over again.
Six minus Nine and We're Just Fine!
I know, it would be -3 but, I had to get it to rhyme somehow!
How could TFW copyright the journal if she didn't have the hard drive? Didn't she say that Jon/Robert stole it? Robert had the copy discs. And for the sheeple to say that she copyrighted the real journal then sheeple ask her to to publish it.
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MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 4h
@UseCmmonSense @radar_online @Kateplusmy8 Because Hoffman's journal is a FAKE! She copyrighted the real one she wrote, not Jon and Hoffman's
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WTH? (smacks forehead) Do they REALLY think Robert (and Jon) would go to the extremes of writing a "fake journal"?
Is this the Ewe with the massive alleged medical problems? (I get them confused sometimes.) Because if it is, I think she might also have received a head injury somewhere along the line. Good grief, how dumb.
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What a dullard. The so called "real journal" this confused sheeple speaks of was already long copyrighted and published over 6 years ago. It is a book full of unicorn farts and rainbows called Multiple Blessin8s.
Kate copyrighted the sinister "mommy's journal" the journal she wants no one to ever see again, in April of 2013. That's the one with the unaltered digital footprint.
M.B. is "mommy's journal" with all the spankings, overt greed and appearances of neglect swiffered out.
Until and unless Kate sues Jon & Robert for defamation and wins- wins I say (not drop the suit)--- the journal Kate copyrighted last April IS the real journal. I thought they all understood that, but I guess not.
I know that this may have been discussed, but I was just watching WWHL (thank you TiVo) and Andy asked Matt Lauer about not liking to interview reality show people and Matt answered that he preferred to interview people who EARNED their place in front of the camera and that he likes people who bring a lot to the party and aren't there just because of the party. This brought on of course after talking to Savannah about the twins interview and then saying "in a galaxy of appearing unlikeable has Kate Gosselin ever appeared more unlikeable". Savannah played it off by saying "Is this the I plead the 5th segment" and then they all allowed as to how awkward it was.
Andy does not appear to like TFW at all. As the Bravo senior vice-president of original programming and development I don't think he's going to be developing a Growing Up Gosselin show for her any time in the near future.
The funniest thing VH1 ever did was document the "romance" between FlavAFlav Brigette Neillson. It was actually gross to watch. Surreal Life was BAD, can't-turn-away TV. Remember Mini-Me peeing in the corner and so drunk that Peter Brady had to rock him to sleep?
They are trying to recreate those days and they just can't.
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Yes, the silly sheep with the hole in her heart is the one that claims the journal is FAKE. If it was, I doubt Kate would have dropped the lawsuit.
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VH1 might give Jon other opportunities, such as Best Week Ever or other shows that are not so controversial. I believe he took this gig because it was only for 2 weeks and he wouldn't be away from his kids for too long. Supposedly, that was why he refused DWTS.
WTH? (smacks forehead) Do they REALLY think Robert (and Jon) would go to the extremes of writing a "fake journal"?
Is this the Ewe with the massive alleged medical problems? (I get them confused sometimes.) Because if it is, I think she might also have received a head injury somewhere along the line. Good grief, how dumb.
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Yes, it is. The one with the blood pressure of 400/300 and a half dozen holes in her heart. The one to whom the doctor told her to just watch it...kind of like sitting by and waiting for Godot.
Jon and Robert faked the journals. They are both so good imitating Kate's writing style. I guess they took months of courses in forgery to be able to duplicate sentence structure, wording, punctuation, to be able to pull this off successfully.
I wonder if they are so dumb that they actually believe this, or if their stupidity supersedes everything else -- that they pull this out of heaven-knows-where just because they don't know how else to spin it. Either way, it shows that they really don't have too much upstairs to work with.
My oh my, so many of the people on CT look like low-life thugs -- even Jon and Liz. Disgusting show, disgusting people. Ugh!
Is this the Ewe with the massive alleged medical problems? (I get them confused sometimes.) Because if it is, I think she might also have received a head injury somewhere along the line. Good grief, how dumb.
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lol! I think she's already received some blows and is ducking!
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 18m
@KellyJeanturner @BarbGilmer @MiloandJack @Mydmaxx @Kateplusmy8 Happy Friday Kelly. It's 72 degrees here (ducking my head before u bop me:)
Why do dogs lick their balls?
Because they can.
They can't stop supporting TFW because then they would have to admit they were WRONG. Like Fonzie, they can't say the word.
They heart holes are increasing? Pretty soon that black heart will just be all holes. Bless her holey heart.
Oh, my, I just read about Savannah Guthrie on WWHL. We know Andy Cohen isn't a Kate fan, and it seems that SG wasn't too taken with her, either. Of course, SG was tactful about it.
I wonder if Kate is sitting around scratching her head (since she's a girl and therefore can't scratch...oh, never mind), wondering how her grand plan to get her new super-duper reality show Growing UP Gosselin on the air failed so miserably. She and the girls did the People cover shoot, stirred up some talk by trashing Jon and Alexis ('cause every reality show needs some conflict!). Check. Then the talk shows, which were supposed to show the world what fun, bubbly, talkative girls she and the twins are, and what a great relationship they have, and what a jerk Jon is--all the while showing that GUG logo in the background to plant a subliminal message in some network bigwig's brain that these fun, interesting girls need a show. Oops, that didn't go off so well. It all backfired, but she figured that if she waits a bit, then it will all blow over and she can try again.
But...then Jon gave those interviews to point out that she's a crappy mother, that the kids are being exploited, and then he files for custody. What network is going to come knocking if it's not for sure that she will even have custody? And now the whole world is talking about the kids being manipulated and exploited, and that doesn't bode well for a show. Who wants to sign them when it looks so obvious that the girls have no screen presence and they're being forced to work?
Next comes court, and she will have to answer to the contempt charges --what's she going to say--"Yes, yer honor, I did it, but it was for a good cause--to get me a new show! Who cares about Jon's rights when I could get back on TV?". And then a custody battle, which is sure to bring out some skeletons that she thought were buried in the back of her closets. Even if she doesn't lose custody, it won't help her image in the least.
Well, darn it all, she had the perfect, foolproof plan, and Jon and the twins had to go and ruin it.
Until and unless Kate sues Jon & Robert for defamation and wins- wins I say (not drop the suit)--- the journal Kate copyrighted last April IS the real journal. I thought they all understood that, but I guess not.
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They don't get it, just like they don't understand the child support issues. It is no use trying to explain it to them. They're just too darn dense, and even if they weren't, they don't WANT to understand it. So you just let them go and shake your head. It's much less painful than banging your head against a brick wall.
Auntie Ann,
Leave it to you to come up with the perfect mountain/molehill one liner.
I so appreciate your wit.
But....didn't Kate sue Jon for stealing her 'journals?' She implied he collaborated with Robert to provide info for the book. Why didn't she sue Robert or even Jon for slander? Here is a quote from her attorney back when the suit was announced: "Jon violated a federal anti-hacking statute in order to publish salacious, scandalous and defamatory information about Kate," said her lawyer A. Jordan Rushie. "It's damaged her reputation." Nowhere does he say it's untrue; he says she was hacked which implies it was her own information. How would they hack fake information and even if they did, why would she care enough to sue?
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/hunter-moore-arrested_n_4653733.html
Could Mr. Bullyvilleman be far behind?
The View had Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt on today and Barbara practically hounded them about getting "real jobs". Why on earth doesn't she ask TFW that question?!
Tucker & TLC
Completely agree with your assessments! Well said.
Jon really needs to concentrate on himself, his mental health and well being and his children before he engages in another relationship. I have a friend very much like him. Very needy and can never be alone. It makes me sad, but it's up to each of us to get the help we need to heal ourselves. I still think he is the better parent of the two. He really loves his kids, even while he makes questionable choices, and I do not see that from Kate. The children are her possessions, IMO. I was fascinated when Dr. Berman said in her blog that Jon's issues stem from his relationship with his mom. He re-enacted that with Kate and seems to be doing the same with Liz.
Cesspool of Hate said... 36
They can't stop supporting TFW because then they would have to admit they were WRONG.
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There it is. I notice most have just gone away like PPie. The ones who have stayed will never give it up.
The View had Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt on today and Barbara practically hounded them about getting "real jobs". Why on earth doesn't she ask TFW that question?!
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She probably thinks that Kate still has a position as a nurse.
handinhand said... 5
''Jon told the Philly reporter he turned down a dozen or so TV offers. Why he chose this rather than one of the other offers is a mystery to me. I mean, I get the money thing or the timing thing but really, he made it sound like he turns things down right and left. Yet he selected this?''
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I just can't force myself to question every single thing Jon does. I will always give Jon the benefit of the doubt. I suspect that CT had the biggest paycheck, and then Jon rationalized doing it because he and Liz really DID need couples therapy.
I wonder if Kate is sitting around scratching her head (since she's a girl and therefore can't scratch...oh, never mind),
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I thought she had Jon's in a jar. When did she give them back to him so that he could scratch them?
Q said... 42
The View had Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt on today and Barbara practically hounded them about getting "real jobs". Why on earth doesn't she ask TFW that question?!
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Really good question, Q.
Who wants to sign them when it looks so obvious that the girls have no screen presence and they're being forced to work?
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Also, what about Rep. Murt's law in PA? It hadn't occurred to me until today that perhaps the media blitz with the twins has something to do with age restrictions that the twins may not have, but the "littles" would???
I'm trying to think back about the specifics regarding age, and it's just bugging me that the twins might be able to film with less restrictions.
I think it was money he picked this one, I'm convinced he was in a good bargaining position because they were looking to replace Farrah. He was in the driver's seat and could say if you want me pay up. Also it was a very short timing schedule, just a couple weeks of his time and he's done.
Most other reality shows would have required much longer. He can hardly take off for months at a time to LA or elsewhere when he's trying to tell the court he wants custody. Only Kate is allowed to do that. Because she is a mother, and family law courts are biased in favor of mothers. Some of them anyway.
The View had Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt on today and Barbara practically hounded them about getting "real jobs".
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Don't get me wrong those too are pathetic, but who cares if consenting adults don't have a real job? As long as they are not hurting anyone it's really none of anyone's business how they wish to make money. My issue with Kate was never get a real job. It was, SUPPORT YOUR KIDS AND STOP MAKING THEM WORK. I mean do you go haze a homeless person about why they don't have a "real job", Barbara?
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Q said... 42
The View had Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt on today and Barbara practically hounded them about getting "real jobs". Why on earth doesn't she ask TFW that question?!
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Really good question, Q.
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A few years ago, Speidi did an interview on the Today show and Al Roker interviewed them. First time I saw a professional host demeanor crack. Al could not contain his contempt for them, their antics, and their RTV life.
8 kids make for a pretty thick shield against criticism, and provide a coating of respectability even for the most fame and money hungry of mothers.
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I can only guess based on what little we've seen of her, but Liz definitely seems to me to be hiding behind a tough exterior. Almost like the tougher, rougher, more defensive she is, the less likely she'll break down and be vulnerable and feminine on T.V., which I think she sees as a weakness. I bet she prides herself on getting through her divorce and raising three kids at such a young age. I think she prides herself on not being like Jon and at handling him. I think it scares her to death that maybe she's not what she thinks she is, that she is vulnerable and flawed, and so the only way to handle those fears is to overcompensate, which includes lashing out at Jon over nothing.
Ghost is acting similar, though he has much more experience with T.V. Truly, his lashing out at Kelsey over the ex prostitute stuff is getting really silly.
You know I'm not sure I understand the odd destain for these Heidi and Spencer people in the first place. What did they do? They are a joke. So just ignore them. Again, they're not hurting anyone.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 54
You know I'm not sure I understand the odd destain for these Heidi and Spencer people in the first place. What did they do? They are a joke. So just ignore them. Again, they're not hurting anyone.
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IIRC, I think it was because Spencer's "brand/persona" that he tried to make work was as a really aggressive prick. The two were on a couple RTV shows where he was so outrageous and entitled that people just hated him.
Actually, I think they softened their image after that, so perhaps that's not who he really is. But, I agree that they are adults, albeit famewhores, but that's not the deal breaker it is when you have kids on tv.
Just a question about Jon finding a woman with no issues.
Does anyone know any adult women with NO issues? I don't and I include myself.
Here's a link to the WWHL interview:
Watch what happens Live
I thought she had Jon's in a jar. When did she give them back to him so that he could scratch them?
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I think that's it! He'd just realized he got his balls back and was making sure they were still there. Can't blame him for that.
Interesting said... 41
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/hunter-moore-arrested_n_4653733.html
Could Mr. Bullyvilleman be far behind?
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"Oh, wouldn't that be lover-ly?"
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Since Jon and his privates have been talked about here, I have to relay this story. When my grandson (he'll be six in April) was a couple of months old, his Nan (paternal grandmother), asked my daughter if he had found his penis. My daughter looked at her and said "what are you talking about?" His Nan smiled and said "you'll find out." Now having raised two girls, I had no idea what she was talking about with regards to a baby. When he was about four months old my daughter called me and said, "Mom. He found his penis." She was changing his diaper and his hand went to his penis and he wouldn't let go. From then on for a long time, whenever she changed his diaper or gave him a bath, his hand would go to his penis. When I told my husband about this several months later he just looked at me, smirked and said, "Honey, when a boy finds his penis he never lets go. Doesn't matter how old he is."
This was posted just last Monday on this blog. Who knows if it's true?
Interesting though, non? Jimmer were you in LA 2 or 3 weeks ago?
http://butlertrash.wordpress.com/2014/01/20/james-mcgibney-owner-of-bullyville-com-is-a-cheater-himself/
Rhymes with Witch said... 57
Just a question about Jon finding a woman with no issues.
Does anyone know any adult women with NO issues? I don't and I include myself.
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I don't have any issues. It's everyone around me who has the problem. LOL
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LOL capecodmama! Funny story! (and so true)
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handinhand @ 40. Aw shucks. Thanks for that::o)
When I told my husband about this several months later he just looked at me, smirked and said, "Honey, when a boy finds his penis he never lets go. Doesn't matter how old he is."
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Too funny, and yet so true! Then, of course, you have John Bobbitt, who couldn't hold on to his. It was the "cut heard 'round the world."
Capecodmama: lol!!!! My mom told me the exact same thing when my first born was a boy....she said boys are born attached to it, they don't let go til they die, it's the first place rigor mortis sets in, and you prop the casket with it when they die!! Lol. I still have a hard time (no pun intended!) NOT looking inside when I go to wakes sometimes. It makes me chuckle anyway. Lol
Fleecing the Sheeple said... 64
Too funny, and yet so true! Then, of course, you have John Bobbitt, who couldn't hold on to his. It was the "cut heard 'round the world."
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I've always wondered how they found that penis so fast. It was the middle of the night and she tossed it out of a car window into a field while she was driving. Amazing police work. lol!
I just can't force myself to question every single thing Jon does. I will always give Jon the benefit of the doubt.________
Maybe you can't but I sure can. Why Jon would participate in this show, when he said he was offered 'dozens' of shows, is beyond me. Surely there had to be some other reality show he could have appeared on that wouldn't do this much damage to his reputation.
Jon, forget about your selfish desire to find a suitable mate. Concentrate on your kids! For once!! Argh! He drives me batty because I want him to do the right thing and be the dad many think he is.
The entire gosselin situation is so out of control and way off track. And they divorced years ago!
Admin, I'm pretty sure you're about sick of the alzheimer tips but I had a colleague just email this link http://blogs.mcgill.ca/oss/?s=coconut+oil
They thought it would be of interest to me because I'm known for being coconut oil crazy and am constantly on the hunt for good Alzheimer's and glucose metabolism studies. This post is on one of my favorite no bullshit science blogs. I do not buy the organic coconut oil at this time because I'm too lazy to drive to the health food store. Mine comes from the baking aisle at Wally World and runs just under $6 for 30 ounces. I've just slathered a ton of my seriously dried out hide. If you live in a cold environment and have dry skin, this stuff will change your life. Really :) I use it in my smoothies too and to fry or saute with. Amazing stuff. Hope this gives you some ideas.
I think it was money he picked this one, I'm convinced he was in a good bargaining position because they were looking to replace Farrah. He was in the driver's seat and could say if you want me pay up. Also it was a very short timing schedule, just a couple weeks of his time and he's done.
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I disagree. Do you know how many D list 'celebs' are out there that would sell their soul to be on a VH1 reality show?
I stand by my statement that there HAD to be another show that Jon could have done that wasn't so....disgusting.
You mean Andy Cohen (WWHL) doesn't adore Kate? But..but...she said that appearing on his show gave her a chance to show her "fun side". And don't forget, after the show, Milo told Kate, "You rocked it!". And we all know that everyone who actually meets Kate just loves her! Milo said so!
Greedy Gosselins said... 69
''...I disagree. Do you know how many D list 'celebs' are out there that would sell their soul to be on a VH1 reality show?''
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Well, those other 'celebs' have to be asked...they weren't. Jon and Liz were. (And no, I'm NOT insinuating that Jon and Liz sold their souls!)
Jon, forget about your selfish desire to find a suitable mate
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I don't think that it's selfish for one to try to find a person with whom to share his/her life. Sometimes coming home to an empty house day after day can be quite the lonely existence.
Some, though, may look for love in all the wrong places. I don't know if this is true in Jon's case, but I hope that he does find the love for whom he is looking.
Auntie Ann do you have a St Bernard? I just noticed your avi. We have a one year Saint - a big bear of a dog that we love.
I've always wondered how they found that penis so fast. It was the middle of the night and she tossed it out of a car window into a field while she was driving. Amazing police work. lol!
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I don't know, Auntie. I think it was just a matter of a few hours. Wasn't it found on the side of the road? It's not like it had a GPS tracker attached to it, nor was it glow-in-the-dark fluorescent.
cherier - No I don't have one. This guy is Bernie, our virtual 15 minutes rescue pup who brings his keg of rumspringa to anyone who can't get out in the freezing temps of winter.
You are so fortunate to have a big cuddly bear to hug. They're gorgeous. Do they have an appetite to match their size?
I don't think that it's selfish for one to try to find a person with whom to share his/her life. Sometimes coming home to an empty house day after day can be quite the lonely existence.
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It's selfish if you have 8 children that are being abused by your ex spouse. THEY should come first. Jon needs to get it together, though after all these years, it's doubtful.
It's not like it had a GPS tracker attached to it, nor was it glow-in-the-dark fluorescent.
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HAHAHA!!!
I wonder how many officers were called in from other important work to find that thing. I guess they all thought it was high priority before the trail got cold.
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Google Jon Gosselin $22,000 therapy bill and you will find numerous articles quoting Jon talking about the $22,000 he spent on therapy for himself in 2009. What he got out of it is anyone's guess. Y
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I would think (and hope) that a big part of that therapy was how to deal with his crazy, narcissistic ex, and figuring out how he got into the mess in the first place. Jon was a battered spouse and suffered psychological damage. He is probably still dealing with the fall out of all those years living under TFW's rule.
All of the children need therapy and tons of it too.
Layla said... 70
You mean Andy Cohen (WWHL) doesn't adore Kate? But..but...she said that appearing on his show gave her a chance to show her "fun side". And don't forget, after the show, Milo told Kate, "You rocked it!". And we all know that everyone who actually meets Kate just loves her! Milo said so!
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Remember Andy and the other guest...I can picture her but can't place her name...an actress...talking about the presidential debates. Then he said to Kate I see you were watching Real Housewives in the green room instead LOL
I wonder how many officers were called in from other important work to find that thing. I guess they all thought it was high priority before the trail got cold.
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Yes, and don't you wish you could have seen an officer's face when the call went out to the cruiser? Did a sketch artist release the description?
Time for one of Auntie's rumspringas.
abby said... 76
It's selfish if you have 8 children that are being abused by your ex spouse. THEY should come first. Jon needs to get it together, though after all these years, it's doubtful.
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Gosh, I don't know. I think he's trying to "get it together" on behalf of the kids now by taking her back to court.
Kate has finally screwed herself. She now has the choice of having her lies exposed in court OR giving up custody of the tups
THEY should come first. Jon needs to get it together, though after all these years, it's doubtful.
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Perhaps they do come first, which is why he is trying to be in a relationship with someone who loves his children. He appears to be concerned with what is best for them as far as the custody issue goes, even if he's going to amass more legal fees to do it. We don't know what he is doing for his kids, what is happening with the legal issues, nor if his relationship with a woman takes priority over the welfare of his kids. I really kind of doubt it, though.
When TFW was on WWHL she told Andy- ""I am probably one of the rare few who de-age". Now we know why he mentioned the plastic surgery when he said 3 nice things about her on MLK Jr. day (as in the new head looks good). I'd forgotten that she uttered that little gem on his show. Andy rocks!
Jon was a battered spouse and suffered psychological damage.
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Dude's not a war victim for god's sake. 5 years later, he needs to pull himself together. It's ridiculous.
abby said... 76
I don't think that it's selfish for one to try to find a person with whom to share his/her life. Sometimes coming home to an empty house day after day can be quite the lonely existence.
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It's selfish if you have 8 children that are being abused by your ex spouse. THEY should come first. Jon needs to get it together, though after all these years, it's doubtful. THEY should come first. Jon needs to get it together, though after all these years, it's doubtful.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what he's trying to do now? He wants to seek custody of his kids, or at least the sextuplets. He's well aware of the abuse. Gaining custody isn't as easy as snapping your fingers on a talk show.
Maybe Liz isn't the soul mate he's looking for or maybe she is, that's between them. He was and probably still is pretty screwed up because he's been so screwed over. He was kicked to the curb, then he was sued, muzzled, and left broke and he's made some bonehead mistakes. Who hasn't? At least he recognized them as such. Now he wants a REAL wife and his family around him. That's not selfishness and it IS putting his kids first. Kate always made sure she came first when they were married.
Jon should sue all his past therapists as they obviously didn't help much. So much for rabbi Schmuley.
AuntieAnn said... 75
cherier - No I don't have one. This guy is Bernie, our virtual 15 minutes rescue pup .
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Not sure how I missed that as a longtime reader!
Yes, she eats a lot: about 40lbs of dog food per month plus she gets Greek yogurt, a boiled egg, organic chix breast or whatever healthy lowfat protein we are having for dinner 1x each day as well. She is spoiled :) A gentle giant and a lap dog seemingly having no idea how big she is. We all adore her. If I knew how to do it I would post a picture of her. She's my baby.
Even tho she is a cold weather dog, she's inside other than a quick trip to do her business. It's -20 with windchill here and she comes right back in. I think about Shoka out there at night and I get so upset!
Auntie Ann
I've always wondered how they found that penis so fast. It was the middle of the night and she tossed it out of a car window into a field while she was driving. Amazing police work. lol
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Oh Auntie Ann, why did you have to go and say that. I can't hold back.
The answer to your question Is that the cops drove up and down the field with a hay wagon full of beautiful women. If you know what I mean?
Oh wow, shame on me. It's all your fault Auntie.
It's selfish if you have 8 children that are being abused by your ex spouse. THEY should come first.
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I don't assume everyone in a relationship doesn't put their kids first. Maybe they do maybe they don't, it depends.
By that logic why wouldn't a mom and dad who are married not put their kids first? They are also in a relationship. By that logic, we should all just be single moms and single dads because it's the only way to ensure the kids are put first. Of course a good many of us would be miserable but what does that matter as long as the kids are first.
We are human beings and human beings are social and sexual, and human beings seek companionship. I have no problem if someone wants to seek that companionship even if they have kids. When it's the right person and you are happy and in love sometimes that can be the best thing for your kids. Kids are intuitive, and most of all they want to see their Mom and Dad happy. You can give kids great peace of mind to settle down and be happy. We know the Gosselin kids are apparently preoccupied with Kate's love life. I think that's about happiness too, they want Kate happy. Maybe they even see Dad happy and want the same for her. The idea that being with a man will help make her happy came from somewhere. As for Jon, he is without his kids at times and it may reassure them to know Liz is around when they are not.
I've always felt that line from Jerry McGuire about you make me want to be a better man describes how I feel about relationships. I knew it was right when I want to be a better woman. If a relationship makes you a better person, then that will only help your kids, not hurt them.
But Jon is NOT a better man with Liz.
"The View had Heidi Montag and Spencer Pratt on today and Barbara practically hounded them about getting "real jobs". Why on earth doesn't she ask TFW that question?!"
Because the world is tired of hearing her trot out that same line about how if she were a nurse, she'd be handing her entire paycheck over to babysitters.
It's not like it had a GPS tracker attached to it, nor was it glow-in-the-dark fluorescent.
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HAHAHA!!!
I wonder how many officers were called in from other important work to find that thing. I guess they all thought it was high priority before the trail got cold.
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Very funny!
But seriously, the whole police squad must have been male, they were probably never SO motivated!
NJGal51 said... 84
When TFW was on WWHL she told Andy- ""I am probably one of the rare few who de-age". Now we know why he mentioned the plastic surgery when he said 3 nice things about her on MLK Jr. day (as in the new head looks good). I'd forgotten that she uttered that little gem on his show. Andy rocks!
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Andy knows plastic surgery like no one knows plastic surgery. Well, except Jocelyn Wildenbeast.
Andy has the Real Housewives franchise, so he's seen it all.
You have to be really stupid, lack savvy, or be so entrenched in your lies that you don't know how to tell the truth, to sit in front of this man, 3 feet away, and deny plastic surgery.
Andy is like a human lie detector when it comes to that.
I have to go back to find that clip to see if you can see Andy's face when Kate announces that she de-ages.
"Jon explains that it’s no longer just Kate who makes the kids miserable at home, Kate has turned the twins into mini-me enforcers with full rein to discipline the younger ones."
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This is beginning to sound like the Stanford Prison Experiment all over again.
abby said... 90
But Jon is NOT a better man with Liz.
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If CT is scripted to show the bad and the ugly, how could anyone make that statement as fact? We don't know the nitty gritty of their relationship, nor whether he is a better or worse man since he's been with her. We're not there with them, and only making that speculation from what we've seen on the show.
Dude's not a war victim for god's sake. 5 years later, he needs to pull himself together. It's ridiculous.
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No, he's not a war victim, but unless anyone has been in his position and has no idea what he's been through on the homefront with her, we can't say exactly how bad his emotional scarring is. Depending on the person and his psychological makeup, this could leave damage that might come darn close to that sustained in any other traumatic event.
But Jon is NOT a better man with Liz.
I disagree. I don't think the old Jon would have tried for custody of his kids in the past. I think you're basing your opinion on seeing highly edited footage of Jon with Liz in their first 24-36 hours after arriving. I'm hoping Jon and Liz acknowledge their relationship issues during therapy and leave CT better than they arrived. I hope taking legal action is a result of Jon receiving therapy and support from Liz.
I really don't know anything about Bieber, but heard on the news yesterday ... His dad apparently wasn't around when he was growing up and only showed up in his life when Bieber started making money.
The father was seen two hours after his son bailed out of jail - hanging out with him with bottles of booze in tow. Sounds like they both need rehab.
Probably no one cares ... but I kind of feel bad that I lumped both his mother and father into the 'crappy parents' post the other day.
I keep reading comments like, "for once, why won't Jon do such-and-such?" Well, he's made a huge step towards making a change for his children's future. There's no easy answer here -- no door he can open which will magically heal his family. As most of us have realized, Jon can't unring that bell. But he has at least admitted his part in all this.
If only for that reason, he is lightyears ahead of TFW in his maturity.
I believe if Jon got full custody of all 8 children tomorrow, and got
a full-time job in IT, and pledged to be celibate for the rest of his life, there would still be people out there saying that's not enough. I guess that's the price he's paying for having chosen to be on reality TV. But I wish him luck, because I think he's the only chance those children have for a happy and relatively sane life.
I got the feeling that Liz (on CT) does not want a lot of kids living with them. What if Jon does get the tups? Will she be upset? She has been good with them on visits as far as we know. With her own, that'll make 9 kids!
Gail said... 85
Jon was a battered spouse and suffered psychological damage.
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Dude's not a war victim for god's sake. 5 years later, he needs to pull himself together. It's ridiculous.
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I didn't say he was a victim of war. I said he was an abused spouse. I was also replying to a comment that was discussing therapy he received following his divorce. Perhaps you've never dealt with an abusive partner or known anyone else who has gone through such a situation. I have known several people in my life who have dealt with abuse and it's not something you merely "pull yourself together" and get over. Often, counseling is vital to help see how you ended up with an abuser, and to avoid the same situation again.
abby said... 90
But Jon is NOT a better man with Liz.
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That's your opinion, but his life is actually his to live, not yours to decide for him.
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Kate has finally screwed herself. She now has the choice of having her lies exposed in court OR giving up custody of the tups.
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Oh, yes! What was she thinking? I wanted to see what the (very quiet) sheep were saying about this, so I read one of their blogs and their take on it all is just like Kate's must be. They said that Jon will lose because...get this...Kate neglects to give him the right of first refusal ALL THE TIME! According to them, the judge will look at it as, "She does this all the time. Why are you just now complaining?". So, they admit that she violates his rights, as spelled out in a court order, but it's okay...because she does it all the time. WTH? IF you rob 30 banks, does that mean it's okay because you rob banks all the time?
This is serial behavior to her. She does not give a hoot about his rights, and tramples on them every chance she gets. Now she (like her sheeple) is stunned that he dared to call her on it. And the fact that she does it all the time does not excuse it--it makes it worse. It shows complete contempt for him and for the court order. No, I don't think the judge will toss it out. It's pretty darn clear-cut what she's done.
Oh, and they think he's an idiot for hiring Heller again. They don't even know yet that even though Heller made a statement, that doesn't mean he's Jon's lawyer. He's not. Sheeple need to keep up! Oh, and since he made the comment "when I have the money", that means he will never file. It's going to be fun watching them cover up their own wrong assumptions as this unfolds.
Kate is probably in a complete tizzy right now. You'd think that after her lawsuit, she'd have figured out that Jon is ready to fight back. No, she had to just keep pushing and pushing. And now she's faced, once again, with having her behavior exposed in open court. And with losing her "brand" once and for all. She should have known better.
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 80
Did a sketch artist release the description?
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Hahahahahahahaha!
Would that have been pre- or post-severing?
Kate neglects to give him the right of first refusal ALL THE TIME! According to them, the judge will look at it as, "She does this all the time. Why are you just now complaining?"
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Wow. I can't imagine any judge in all of America who would think such a thing.
Judges understand that it costs time, money and stress to bring the other parent back to court and that sometimes you can't get in the door the second something goes wrong. There really isn't a judge in the land that doesn't understand that. What's going to happen is most if not all judges are going to be LIVID that their court orders have not been respected all this time.
If anything, a judge might get annoyed if you come whining the first time something happens. They're not going to want you to waste their time unless serious and consistent violations are going on.
I got the feeling that Liz (on CT) does not want a lot of kids living with them
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Really? I got the opposite feeling. She absolutely beamed when they were talking about Aaden. And her photographs of the kids with her beautiful pit bull are very sweet.
I disagree. Do you know how many D list 'celebs' are out there that would sell their soul to be on a VH1 reality show?
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Sure, plenty, but they can't get just any D lister. It has to be someone in a relationship with someone also willing to go on T.V. and it has to be someone who is not committed to something else for the next two weeks. If it was so last minute, they may have made many other phone calls without success until they hit upon Jon. They may have been panicking at this point. The proof is in the pudding. It was apparently enough to get himself set up with a 5 bedroom home and hire the excellent law firm Blank Rome again.
In any case it is really not our decision to make. He went on it, and he didn't take his kids on it, so it's none of our business why or how he got on.
CT was heavily edited, agree. But they can't edit in what you don't give them. Just like TFW.
Who knows what Jon gave them re that one scene, or how Liz was manipulated into thinking what she saw. Whatever.
But it certainly pushed her buttons into behaving like TFW, which was perhaps the point. The way she was mocking him as she lay on the settee really turned me off.
If she was angry with him, hurt, or whatever, I could see her wanting to avoid Jon for a while as he accused her of, that part's fine.
It was that mocking thing that was so wrong. And him just hunched over with that stupid hang dog look.
Yes, I know he was, and still is, abused by TFW. It takes heavy duty therapy to get over that, to learn how to handle it. She is truly an evil person who isn't ever going to change. All he can do is change how he handles it.
I soooo wanted Jon to stand up, make himself tall, and say to Liz, "Enough! You've expressed your displeasure. Enough! If you want to talk about this we can, but not in anger and not like this. I'm going for a one hour walk. When I get back, if you're ready, we can talk."
But it takes heavy duty therapy to get to where you can do that instead of having the body reaction he did of the hang dog thing. That's instinctive, and hard to overcome in the face of someone else's strong emotions.
He needs to overcome that reaction for the sake of his children. He can't be modeling that kind of behavior in front of them. He just can't. It's just as bad as TFW's behavior, but in the opposite direction.
I have tremendous compassion for him. It's gotta be impossible having to deal with TFW. And he'll be paying for that for the rest of his life. She will always find a way to interfere in his relationship with the kids. Her top priority isn't that she win, it's that he lose.
Ok, end of rant. Sigh.
"It's selfish if you have 8 children that are being abused by your ex spouse. THEY should come first. Jon needs to get it together, though after all these years, it's doubtful."
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Let's see. Jon is filing for custody of the kids and that's selfish? On what planet? Jon needs to get it together but it's doubtful he can do that? Seems like that's exactly what he is trying to do. No matter what he does (or doesn't do), some will still criticize and he's going to be perceived as not doing enough. Is it selfish to want custody of your children, having realized that they are not being raised in a nurturing environment? Not from where I sit...
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Gail said... 85
Jon was a battered spouse and suffered psychological damage.
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Dude's not a war victim for god's sake. 5 years later, he needs to pull himself together. It's ridiculous.
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I didn't say he was a victim of war. I said he was an abused spouse. I was also replying to a comment that was discussing therapy he received following his divorce. Perhaps you've never dealt with an abusive partner or known anyone else who has gone through such a situation. I have known several people in my life who have dealt with abuse and it's not something you merely "pull yourself together" and get over. Often, counseling is vital to help see how you ended up with an abuser, and to avoid the same situation again.
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Milicent- Great post. Without going in to too much detail, Jon has huge dependency issues, and this has become an issue as he chooses partners. I do believe at this point, his intentions, as a parent, are very good, But he does need to deal some more in therapy (independantly) regarding his dependency (Off camera, where he can be real).and spend time with his kids alone.
On the other hand, WOS has no partner, has delegated the twins to "Inspector Gadget' or whatever, as she delegates her parenting duties, and puts the tups at the mercy of 13 year olds.
I don't think Cara wants to be part of a show, and Mady probably wants to be a "star," whatever that means, but encouraging the twins to speak badly about Jon or the tups was just wrong on so may levels.
WOS needs serious intervention, but she will never seek it out, as she clearly thinks she is a great parent. (She believes the former fan show hype). When you have no family or friends left, you are probably not doing something right. Get a clue Kate,
I'm not one to write off a show or bad behavior as scripted however this show really is obviously heavily scripted. I mean we even have proof of it in the emails the show sent Farrah's boyfriend and his tweets about what they wanted him to do.
It's not even so much the stuff with Jon that is the smoking gun it's scripted. It's the lesbians and making such a big issue of that sex tape. The girls although good people aren't the best actresses. Sometimes you can see them sort of snickering. I mean they know this is just good fun and that they aren't really SERIOUS about confronting Farrah. They are so laid back about everything why would this suddenly bother them? Doesn't really make sense.
I have to sort of take what I will of it when I write the recap but this time around especially (I'm 20 minutes into the recap) I'm sitting here definitely feeling like everything is a set up.
Without going in to too much detail, Jon has huge dependency issues, and this has become an issue as he chooses partners. I do believe at this point, his intentions, as a parent, are very good, But he does need to deal some more in therapy (independantly) regarding his dependency (Off camera, where he can be real).and spend time with his kids alone.
Yes, yes, yes!!!!! Just what I was trying to say but didn't articulate nearly as well.
Sorry but additional to prior post. I did not watch CT BUT whatever stupid thing Jon may or may not have done, clearly does not compare to a mother who was marketing her sextuplets before they were even born, and who uses her 2 oldest to keep herself on TV, allows the twins to berate the tups on national TV, and to discipline them (as opposed to herself being a parent) speak volumes.
This is a 101 course on how to use your 13 year old kids to do your job and to try to get a show with them, by taking them on national TV. Disgusting and disgraceful.
Yes that's it. Most of his issues are dependency issues. Everything is stemming from that I believe.
And that's the thing, lots of people have those issues. I just cannot get worked up about it. I'm sorry he has those issues and this show isn't half bad watching him address some of them, but the outrage I see from a few people here I simply cannot feel. Lots of adults have issues. But goodness if I had to add up all the women and some men I've represented with dependency or codependency issues there would be plenty to fill 10 volumes of books.
The good thing about dependency, as opposed to narcissism, is that you CAN work through it in therapy and get better. In fact it's one of the easiest issues to treat. The fact that Jon even recognizes it is huge. I noticed everything he says about therapy is very positive. He is so open to it. After the group session he told the cameras that was really good I feel like this is really helping me. GOOD. Whatever works.
JMO (111)
Yes, Kate is using the twins to take care of their younger siblings, as well as using all the kids to do the housework and--even worse--using them to support her. Can you imagine the pressure she puts on those kids to get another show and work? They are kids.They should be playing, not worrying about making money so they don't lose their home.
Here is the untold Bobbit story. When Mrs. Bobbit flung Mr. Bobbit's penis out of the car window it fell across the road. The police were able to find it easily due to many complaints referring to "a large speed bump appearing on the road"
Really? I got the opposite feeling. She absolutely beamed when they were talking about Aaden. And her photographs of the kids with her beautiful pit bull are very sweet.
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Yes. I think she is very fond of the kids, but she shook her head emphatically when Dr Jenn asked if all the kids lived with them and said NO. I think it would be overwhelming. Am I right in assuming she and Jon would live together in this new house? She said she did not want marriage atm but Jon said he did, complete with white picket fence.
I agree the pics with the pitbulls were very sweet and I think Liz treats the G kids like her own, but doesn't think a house with 11 kids would be feasible.JMO.
Kate neglects to give him the right of first refusal ALL THE TIME! According to them, the judge will look at it as, "She does this all the time. Why are you just now complaining?". So, they admit that she violates his rights, as spelled out in a court order, but it's okay...because she does it all the time. WTH? IF you rob 30 banks, does that mean it's okay because you rob banks all the time?
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I guess that's why she is never going to get another speeding ticket. The officer will look at her past history and say, "Well, Ms. Gosselin, I see that you've been cited on previous occasions for going 20 miles an hour over the limit, so there's no fine. Just don't exceed that amount." Of course she has her parking space reserved in the fire lane because she parks there all the time. No worries. It's her space, and nobody should complain about it.
Sheeple have never been known for keeping up. They probably still think that the lawsuit is moving forward in federal court. Slow to understand, slow to learn the facts, slow to think logically. Just plain slow.
Paula B. @Paula__M__B 8m
Think I will buy @Kateplusmy8 's new cookbook. The food looks really good in the pictures that she tweets.
It doesn't take much to impress them, does it? :)
2 cents: I hope Jon gets a HUGE paycheck. I hope Liz makes him happy, and they get it together, and he files for custody. And someday makes millions with a tell all book and splits the money with his kids.
Even though the show is scripted I will watch it, and some day when Jon's kids are grown, I would love to see him in a reality show like Survivor, bet he would be entertaining.
At the point, no one wants to hear what KK has to say.....but, plenty of people are waiting for Jon to finally open up.
Just a thought about when Jon said he would file for custody when he has the money to do so.
What if Jon is saying that just to throw Kate off? Perhaps, he has the money now but doesn't want to play his hand yet. Kate(and her sheeple) will be thinking that it's never going to happen, that he can't afford it and that she is safe.
Jon, I'm sure got blindsided when Kate filed her lawsuit against him and Robert. I wouldn't blame him for doing the same to Kate.
There's something going on with Collin. Why hasn't he seen his dad since August? He is one of the tups who was acting out and expelled. He is the one Robert said he was writing the book for. Why him, in particular? All the kids were--and are--at risk. All have been abused. But he singled out Collin, without exactly explaining why. Now hearing that he,out of all the tups, is being isolated from his father, is alarming. What is going on with that little boy?
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Kate is probably in a complete tizzy right now. You'd think that after her lawsuit, she'd have figured out that Jon is ready to fight back. No, she had to just keep pushing and pushing. And now she's faced, once again, with having her behavior exposed in open court. And with losing her "brand" once and for all. She should have known better.
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Layla, ITA. While Kate and 6 other individuals still blindly think that she is an important, respected and highly sought after stah, the rest of the country thinks she's a trainwreck. A joke and a trainwreck. We were right all along. Yay us.
The irony here is that Kate did this to herself. She continues to thrust herself into a limelight that she no longer has a place in.
For 7 years, all we've heard from her is how she lives for the kids and they come first, she's only ever wanted to be a mom... blahblah. 2 1/2 yrs. after the show was canceled, she has been unable to get another show. That should be her signal to retire and dedicate her life to making the most of her children's fleeting childhoods. You know, put her money where her mouth is and actually put them first. Instead, we see the exact opposite and poor Mady and Cara were trotted out twice on national tv, the purpose being to trash their father. That is not the actions of someone who puts their children first. That is the actions of someone who is desperately desperate. Kate is so desperate and frustrated with her inability to get another show, she has resorted to creating drama so she can at least keep her name in the tabloids, dragging the twins down with her. These are not the actions of a stable person or a rationally thinking person. She needs help. Jon also needs the family courts to step up and reign her in once and for all. These kids still have a shot at normalcy.
Just a thought about when Jon said he would file for custody when he has the money to do so.
What if Jon is saying that just to throw Kate off?
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If that's the strategy, why mention it at all?
Layla said... 121
There's something going on with Collin. Why hasn't he seen his dad since August? He is one of the tups who was acting out and expelled. He is the one Robert said he was writing the book for. Why him, in particular? All the kids were--and are--at risk. All have been abused. But he singled out Collin, without exactly explaining why. Now hearing that he,out of all the tups, is being isolated from his father, is alarming. What is going on with that little boy?
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YES, this bothers me most. Collin was always the one she was trying to "break".....to "happy up", or whatever the stupid term was.
Collin is probably the one she identifies most with Jon, and I can only imagine how many beatings the poor boy has had to endure. It's just outrageous she keeps him hidden.
Kate is a Twit - I thought earlier, either in this thread or the last, Admin had shared that she knows the firm that is representing Jon and she was quite pleased about it.
I suppose just because he consulted with them doesn't mean he can afford to move forward yet, but I had the impression this was a done deal.
Admin - could Jon sue for full custody and have Kate be responsible for picking up the tab?
sparkle (122)
I agree with everything you said. I just don't comprehend her desperation. What is so wrong in her life that she is so driven to get another show? Why was she so desperate to get a show in the first place? Normal people are perfectly happy to live their lives without cameras. She had to create this unusual family so she could get attention, then she got that attention and it became more important than anything in the world to her. More important than the people (her children) who get her in that position in the first place. How in the world can anything be more important to a mother than her children?
What happens as more time passes without a show? She will become more desperate, more unhinged, and it's frightening to even think of what she will become. We couldn't have imagined that she would do what she did to Cara and Mady. And yet, she did. She took a huge risk, but she wanted to be on Tv so badly that the risk, for whatever reason, was worth it to her.How big are the risks going to become? How far will she go? And what is going to happen to the kids as a result.
Greetings from Pure Crappy Michigan with too much snow, too cold temps and too much wind. Now on to the other things I wanted to comment about;
#1 as the daughter and wife of narcissists I think it is very easy to choose toxic relationships if therapy isn't used. And I think wanting better for your children is a huge reason many people end the relationship, seek therapy and try to move ahead. I did, and still am terrified to seek dating because I don't trust myself mostly, to be able to recognize what I ran from.
#2 You can move ahead and away from the abusive behavior but it is always there, tucked away in the back of your mind, and can spring out to terrify you without warning. If you haven't experienced that kind of stress, don't speak badly of us who have.
#3 In regard to Kate; just one thought; " To do the same thing over and over expecting different results is the meaning of insanity"
I think this if why Kate never changes her methods.
Adm. my heart goes out to you and Dad, I find myself in the same place with my Mom, only more advanced stage.
To all who post so wittily here, stay warm and remember that old hymn,"Brighten the corner where you are, Someone far from harbor you may guide across the bar, if you brighten the corner where you are."
Layla said... 121
There's something going on with Collin. Why hasn't he seen his dad since August? He is one of the tups who was acting out and expelled. He is the one Robert said he was writing the book for. Why him, in particular? All the kids were--and are--at risk. All have been abused. But he singled out Collin, without exactly explaining why. Now hearing that he,out of all the tups, is being isolated from his father, is alarming. What is going on with that little boy?
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I have really been disturbed about Collin.
My parents had a terrible relationship, although they remain married to this day. Yeah, don't ask me how, although they have mellowed with age.
They would have fights and not speak for up to a month at a time. My mother would tell me how horrible he was and my Dad would take me out to dinner at nice restaurants to show her that we were not suffering because she refused to cook. One night when we got home and he went up to his room, she lost it and told me that I was a disloyal little bitch. She said to get my buddy to take me back to school shopping because she wasn't taking me. I knew my father would rather die than take me shopping, so I knew I wasn't getting new school clothes or shoes. And I didn't get any, until late November and only because my father demanded she take me because my previous winter clothes didn't fit. My pants were way over my ankles and the kids laughed at me.
That was her M.O. If I made her angry by associating with the enemy, she'd withhold basic needs or refuse to buy supplies I needed for a school project or to let me go to a birthday party I was looking forward to. If asked my Dad for anything, that would make her angrier. I couldn't win.
Do you know how many people knew that I was being used as a human pawn? Over 20 family members, teachers and friends/neighbors. Do you know how many people reached out to help me? One. My 4th grade teacher. I could cry just thinking about the kindness shown to a terrified and neglected 9 year old. She gave me lunch money, she paid for my school supplies, field trips and often bought me little trinkets and treats. Most importantly, she showed me love and concern. She would keep me after school and tutor me. She tried to get outside intervention for me but at the time, if I wasn't being beaten I wasn't considered to be abused (it was the 70s) Sadly, she retired at the end of the year, I so wish she had still been there for my 5th and 6th grade years. They were brutal. I tried talking to relatives about my plight, but they and everyone else didn't want to get involved in 'family matters.' Everyone looked away.
I had a nervous breakdown in my mid 20s and spent the next 3 years in therapy. I still take medication to this day.
To BV and the Minions: you all seem to think that people just randomly decided one day to "bully" Kate Gosselin for nothing more than shits & giggles. Not true. Actually, many people became involved and wanted to be a voice for the kids because they have a story like mine. More often than not, no one spoke up for them or believed them and the abuse was allowed to continue for years, often with lifelong, devastating effects. Maybe you didn't care for some of the tone and tenor used to defend the kids, but everyone's heart was and is in the right place. People tend to speak out with the intensity that they wish someone had for them when they were suffering. If you can watch those twins on the Today show and say that there is NOTHING wrong with seeing those girls squirm and look miserable and in pain, with their snapping and hissing mother sitting beside them, then God help you. I don't know what else to say.
OMG, there's a shooting at a mall about 30 minutes from my house. Feels like nobody's safe to go anywhere these days! 3 people dead. We have several friends in that town. Too close to home.
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In the simplest of forms, all 3 boys need to see their father regularly. The 3 girl tups as well.
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Not sure what is going on with the twins, and what Kate is saying, but they will regret this later. I am purely guessing sharing a house with Liz and Jon and her 3 kids is a bit much for the twins. Especially if there is another alpha female on board, living in the home.
On the other hand, I am betting the tups enjoy their time with Jon and that M & C choose not to be around Jon with Liz there. Jon really should do separate activities with his kids, if at all possible. More so with this blended family, but also because Kate will never do it.
The kids deserve better.
Didn't Jon file for custody of the kids when Kate was on DWTS? That is one of the reasons she "practiced" in her basement if I remember correctly. He was not totally free from TLC at the time so he had a hard time getting results.
Off topic but does anyone know what is going on with the sheeple love site IW? I see they are EVERYWHERE on fb.
Lauren @ljohnson2006 15m
I hope that @Kateplusmy8 and her kids are able to do another show. So many great opportunities came from it.
Other than traveling, what great opportunities came from it? They can't travel without having a reality television show? Why not? Other kids travel and go on vacations, probably not as extensively as those children did, but did they really need to be dragged on filming expeditions? Opportunities such as luxury hotels, being first in line at amusement parks, getting free gifts from fans, receiving freebies from various persons that Kate decided to grift? Seems like along with opportunities also came entitlement. Is that a good thing?
Do they really NEED those things, or are those the perks they would expect to receive just because they WANT them? Amazing how other kids have opportunities presented to them without cameras shoved in their faces.
Formerly Duped said... 99
I got the feeling that Liz (on CT) does not want a lot of kids living with them. What if Jon does get the tups? Will she be upset? She has been good with them on visits as far as we know. With her own, that'll make 9 kids!
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You know, for all we know Liz could be the one who told Jon he'd better get those kids away from Kate. From what I've read about Liz, she recognizes a shrew when she sees one.
njay said... 88
The answer to your question Is that the cops drove up and down the field with a hay wagon full of beautiful women. If you know what I mean?
Oh wow, shame on me. It's all your fault Auntie.
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No, blame Fleecing. She brought up Bobbitt's penis. (now, now. I meant the subject)
I think get what you mean tho. Kind of like running a magnet over a sheet of iron shavings? lol
Thanks njay. I've always wondered. Now I know.
Sparkle, my heart goes out to the little girl you described. I hope your wonderful teacher remembers you with the same warmth you have toward her.
So, that Lauren person hopes that Kate and the get another show because it gave them great opportunities. Kate and the kids had their chance. They got plenty of opportunities. Why not let another family experience them? Why only Kate's family?
These "opportunities" they got are things that Kate can pay for herself. She has millions. She simply refuses to pay for these things herself. If the opportunities are real important to her, then why doesn't she pay for them so the kids don't have to go without? Millions of families each year pay for their own vacations, without having the kind of money that Kate has, because it is important to them. If travel is important to Kate, she has the money for it. She already has the house, the cars, and the heated pool, not to mention the private schools for 8. Let her pay for the rest for once.
When I start getting upset at what I read here, I am learning that it is because my point of view is not being respected or validated, which simply raises my emotional temperature.
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I think that if it gets to the point where someone is upset and their emotional temperature starts rising, then they need to take a break, stop reading and commenting. I would hope that if one is in that situation that they know enough about themselves to just step back, rather than telling posters to dial it down a bit.
But that's just me and what I would do.
Admin and the blog gals do an excellent job in monitoring here, not letting the discussions get out of control to the point where posters are insulted and opinions are quashed.
Sparkle, that's horrible. Thank goodness for that one special teacher. A shame no one else would intervene, even in your family, your own relatives. Your school did not do too much for you, I gather, seeing your neglect, but doing nothing officially.
Re; The twins visiting Jon. Possibly they 'look down" on Liz re: her lack of designer clothes and materialism, so unlike their dear Mommy.
A little brainwashing and bribing works wonders at that age. JMO.
Re: Collin. I think maybe he tells Jon 'too much." I also thinks TFW likes to punish him, and has since babyhood.Poor little guy. I wish a teacher would intervene for him.Yes, he has the material trappings, but surely professionals working with children can see something's wrong here.
I think Kate has been on twitter silence because Jon announced getting an emergency court order to deal with kate violating the rules of the custody agreement.
Either she herself or her law team have told her to stop tweeting.
>>>or, Kate is a basket case as seen on Kate's World, in the back seat of the limo, unable to make a decision for herself, and Stevio having to plan her day for her, because Kate wasnt able to cope with Jon filing for custody of the kids during her DWTS stint.
Without going back and researching, I think things got a bit better after that court dealings, that maybe even though Jon might know he wont win, it might at least shake the girl up to realize she cant get away with this crap.
As awful as Kate is, I think the longer you let her go doing things her way, the more tyrant she becomes, but I cant help but wonder if deep down, in her original foundation, there is a part of her morality that once stirred, tells her she isnt being a very nice person .
This may have been the part that was stirred when kate was doing her " I've changed tour, I've matured, I am not that person you saw in J&K+8, I know I was not nice, and have to control my tongue"
It lasted for but a brief period of time, until panic set in adn her "piecing and patching" did not work out the way she thought it would.
It is starting to sound like things began to unravel in the summer:
1. Kate was adamant the Hate on the world wide web was being fueled by her ex and his journalist friend.. She enlisted the help of BV and that didnt do anything but stir up negative publicity which I believe fueled even further Kate's vile hatred for her ex, and began to cloud her vision of being a good parent.
2. Kate's blog with The Stir ended. Kate had thought the interest in " The year of the teenager" was going to jump start the family career back into the spotlight.
3. Kates dream with her crookbook, began to unravel as it did not have the pre-sales, she thought they would have. Even the Book tour didnt drum up enough of anything.
4. Kate files the lawsuit certain this was going to be her ah ha moment in shutting down the haters, and proving to the world how insidious her ex and that journalist were. Little did she know, that the ex and that journalist would be bullied by kate and BV amd had some of the attourneys in the land step to fight their cause.
5. Jon gets interviewed with the Round Table. Whaaa??? Kate cant believe it!!!!
This is about the time Collin apparantly stops seeing dad. Kate tried to piece n patch some $$ by blogging about a couple of business's out there , but that was undermined for a variety of reasons ( haters contacting companies, further explotiing of her kids, and Kates inability to write a good review and follow the law of blogging with compensation)
6. Kates twins turn 13. Something tells me this is a magical age when in divorce they have more say about what they want to do, so the brainwashing becomes easier.
7. Remember Jon? He has that powerful lawyer, and gains confidence to get his voice back. I think they know long before announcing it publicly that they have Kate. She has backed herself into a corner where her lies are about to be exposed.
In November Jon says publically that he feels some of the kids have developmental concerns, and this turns Kate into a freaking tizzy! She gives Her Response on November 4, 2013.
8. On November 19, Kate drops her lawsuit, as she knows she has no case, and does not want to go through discovery in court.
Kates does damage control by posting the day before the lawsuit announcment being dropped, a blog with pictures of her kids for halloween. Almost 3 weeks late.
A few days after her announcement of dropping the lawsuit...Zorro arrives! Another major deflection. It works, it gives her sheeple something to talk about rather then baaing about the lawsuit.
Conveniently, there is no blog response about why she had to drop her lawsuit but Kate does tweet " Dont stress about the doors closed behind you. New doors will open if you keep moving forwards".
9. During the month of November, Jon begins to get all kinds of publicity, and low and behold, its positive. Oprah... and a few others, and also Jon is seen on a flight to LA. Why does He get to go to LA. Kate's blood begins to boil.
10. Kate begins to mastermind....
11. Kate tweets " Mady to me: Its not your fault you are so fabulous" so now we know where the fabulous is coming from. Perhaps a saying Kate and Mady have to each other... Kate is making a minime
12. Interesting tweet on Dec 5: Kate says all 8 will have braces in next 9 months. Thats by Aug 14. Lets see if she can keep that fact a truth.
13: Interesting Tweet on Dec 12: after earlier saying that they will def see 1direction in '14 if mady Gosselin has her way, Kate tweets an insinuation that even if they run ou of tickets it may not be a problem anyways. Is this the beginning of ' Growing Up Gosselin" and Kates hope of a reality tv show for them. Then the gates will open to any and all venues they want to go to? #wishfulthinking?
Kate wonders why people think she is grifting something, and Kate responds with .. I havent announced anything, but cant reveal the final result... #seerightthruyou
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Dec 8
@XXXXXXX oh no! Was quite a challenge.... But can't reveal outcome yet!
14: The start of encouraging the great division between her kids?
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Dec 12
Leah:what's a pet peeve? Me:things that bother a person a lot Leah: oh..well, I have a lot of pet peeves then...Lexi ur my pet peeve
Meaglers take #sosad
15. Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Dec 31
2014:I'm ready:Kindness Happiness,Hardwork, Lotsa Love,Positive example4my kids,Wise Decisions-->See My Dreams Materialize! #SameGoal #NewYr
masterminded The Growing Up Gosselin Tour? Kate's happied up in December. Kate knows whats coming beginning of jan 2014 ....
16. Jan 16, the Today Show... Kate is seen GIDDY before the live taping. Live interview BOMBS!!! Kate goes to twitter to do DAMAGE CONTROL. Retweets every posiive comment supporting the twins on the Today show. #notmanypositivetweets
Feels redeemed by The View
# kategottheupperhandhappiedthetwinsup
Even the littles LOVE watchingt the View where Kate encouraged one big sister are to say #notsonicethingsabout them
Meagler says #sosad
17. Kate continues deflection strategies up till Jan 22, when Jon announces his plan to sue for custody of the younger 6.
Kate goes silent on twitter. Kates mania turns into...
And I envision the backseat of that limo, bact in the DWTS days, when kate has fallen apart.....
Wow those were 2 of my longest posts.
Just thought it would be neat to have a look at tiem timeline of kates life since June of 2013.
The beginning of the Gosselin Crash!
Wow, sparkle that was a powerful and courageous post.
Sparkle @ 128, what a great post. Bravo. It takes courage to tell your story and I too believe that many of us are here to bear witness to what is happening to the G kids and to call out the abuse.
Ex-Nurse: I always appreciate your well thought out posts and whether we all agree or not it is good to have a discussion approaching issues from different viewpoints. Please continue to give your opinions. Differing opinions give some of us food for thought and can challenge our own stances and allow us to alter what we think or make us firm up our positions. It is imo all good.
To Sparkle! {{hugs}} thanks for sharing your story. It is hard for some to imagine what might go on behind some closed doors, and how adults sometimes do not do the right things.
Layla said... 102
I wanted to see what the (very quiet) sheep were saying about this, so I read one of their blogs and their take on it all is just like Kate's must be. They said that Jon will lose because...get this...Kate neglects to give him the right of first refusal ALL THE TIME!
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Layla, can you give a source for this? I couldn't find it using my friend google or looking through the tweets and blogs of "the usual suspects". I want to read it to see who is really that stupid (not real name, of course, but which persona). And find out what else they're saying!
Wow, check out this Dr. Phil on parental alienation. It's crazy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr6v-o-yKBM&list=PLVLhtPWy88R413z5DpyUBnu5GlHh_1VFd
Ex nurse, I think everyone is here because we have strong emotions and opinions about everything that is happening. We all come from different backgrounds and points of view and some of the lively back and forth I have seen has been eye opening (and I mean in a good way). I always respect your input although I don't always agree. For instance I do agree that Jon with his flaws and shortcomings is not well equipped to sort out this mess. But who is? The status quo is a disaster and only getting worse. What other hope is there?
I know Jon didn't have a good experience with Dr. Phil but now that there is so much evidence, I wonder if we could write Dr. Phil and ask him to interview on Jon's behalf. He always offer the best help to anyone who will take it. It's a thought. Especially after seeing the clip I just posted. Everyone please watch it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr6v-o-yKBM&list=PLVLhtPWy88R413z5DpyUBnu5GlHh_1VFd
Oops I meant intervene.
Math Girl (152)
It is on the Ziggyflo blog. It was dead for a long time, but since the sheple aren't tweeting much, I thought they must be discussing it somewhere. And they are! Of course, 99% of what they are saying is wrong, but that's why they don't want to tweet. They don't want anyone to set the record straight. It's kind of funny and scary at the same time to see how delusional they really are.
Meagler,
Great timeline! We had all the puzzle pieces, but when you put them all together, the big picture is so clear. And I love all your hashtags! Way to show #hashhags TFW and Milo that they're not the only ones who can use them!
#hashhags
Nice timeline you set out there, Meagler! Well done!
I know Jon didn't have a good experience with Dr. Phil but now that there is so much evidence, I wonder if we could write Dr. Phil and ask him to intervene on Jon's behalf.155
Jon and those children need professional assistance from someone with the expertise to help.them, not from an unlicensed Industrial/Organizational psychologist who has a public forum thanks to Oprah.
Meagler, hilarious and sad at the same time. Noticed the Lexi pet peeve again. She and Collin are really on the bottom of the ladder, aren't they?
Hope things going well for your family, Meagler.
Ex-Nurse wrote...For whatever reason he is like that, he is hardly emotionally equipped to handle a full-time, very flawed and troubled, relationship, hold down a job and take on full-time custody of 5 abused children
Wow, and you know this how? Are you a therapist now? The reason many get so exasperated with you is that no matter what, you constantly and continually criticize Jon, even when he's done something positive.
Ex Nurse said... 136
Pressed publish too soon... I respect everyone's viewpoint and I wish that dissent with the majority was appreciated, because I think that many people have left, or really filter their responses because they don't want their own personal experiences jumped on. Sorry for the run-on sentence--for nice, the sun is shining and I am off to take my labradoodles to the dog park!
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I don't think I'm alone in appreciating your responses. I know it's the "Minority Report"! at times.
Labradoodle? OMG! So cute
We took our Beardie out to the farmers market first thing this a.m. and he came back and huddled in his bed for an hour! Too brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Dogs are much better now, what with the smell of peanut butter kisses and sauerbraten in the air.
The temps have been brutal.
I hope our friend out in Kate's country has her outdoor cats indoors listening to music!
SPARKLE...
wow...we need a movie called, Sparkle, Based On The Novel "Push" By Sapphire"
You've been through a whole lot. Thank you for sharing.
Ex-Nurse said: When I start getting upset at what I read here, I am learning that it is because my point of view is not being respected or validated, which simply raises my emotional temperature.
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I'm not sure it's the responsibility of other posters here to validate anyone's point of view, or perhaps I'm not understanding the comment. Are you saying that it causes anxiety because when you state an opinion, nobody rushes to agree with that opinion, or give respect even though they don't agree with it?
I'm confused, as always.
Thank you all for your kind words! It wasn't easy to write about that dark time. My parents are fully aware that their treatment of me led to my mental illness. They actually seemed shocked, like "oh, that?" "I didn't do that, did I?" Ever since they have really tried to make amends, almost to the point of over compensating. They were married very young, both 17 (they "had" to get married) they were immature and they are two of the most stubborn people I know. I give them some credit for not having any more children. One was always going to file for divorce the next day, they knew they didn't need more kids.
It's hard to watch the obvious alienation Kate inflicts on her children. She hates Jon more than she loves the kids, she has to win, even it's at the expense of their futures. They are pawns, bargaining chips and collateral to her.
I know the sheeple all read here and salivate over every post. I know they feel that Kate has the full right to exploit her children and use them to earn her a living, we should just let her alone. I'm saying it's not right and this is why. I ask them to please look past today's tweeted picture or K+8 twittersode and look 10 years into the future. Please pray that the isolated fishbowl they've grown up in doesn't affect their adult mental health or personal relationships.
Meagler, love your timeline! Thank you for posting, sure gives a good perspective of everything.
Layla said... 157
It is on the Ziggyflo blog. It was dead for a long time, but since the sheple aren't tweeting much, I thought they must be discussing it somewhere. And they are!
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Thanks Layla. I saw piggy's post but hadn't clicked through to the comments. I'm sure they will provide hours of amusement and frustration.
Oops, ziggy's, not piggy's. Thanks autocorrect!
Ex-Nurse, I'm wondering if you are seeing Jon through the filter of your husband. A lot of us don't have that same filter, so we don't view his actions the same way you do. Then you get frustrated because we don't have the same reaction.
I hope our friend out in Kate's country has her outdoor cats indoors listening to music!
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Checking in here. My house guests have been inside for a week. I check the temperature every day, thinking that one of these afternoons they will be fine to spend some time outside in the sun. It hasn't happened yet. It looks like they'll be enjoying their breakfast in bed for at least the next week or so.
I've never seen anything like this. The temperatures are nasty, even during the day, it's just too cold for them outside, I bought them some toys, and catnip, and they seem content for now, with no litter box accidents. Thank goodness.
Math Girl (168),
Don't worry, "Piggy" works just fine when you're talking about her. What's really fun is reading back through some of the past threads (her recent threads got only a handful of comments, if any) and seeing how very wrong and idiotic they are. I especially loved when they talked about Kate's lawsuit and kept saying, "When Kate wins this case (and she WILL win)". Oh, that one just cracks me up.
So, now we know why they're so quiet on Twitter. They are posting there instead, and the Truthers can't set them straight when they're wrong. That way they can stick their fingers in their ears and yell "lalalala" instead of hearing the truth.
Meagler said.
I'm sorry for what you have went through my God bless and heal you. -)
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Now on a funny note.
You forgot to say How Milo stay by KK's side wishing and hoping to take her away to a warm beach so she/he could star a KK's rockin plastic body.
I obviously have too much time on my hands and doing some procrastinating..LOL...
Kids writing exams so there is a quiet lull in the home front. Kind of good timing since activities are curtailed till we speak with surgeon early next week.
Taking a mental health break as we know the next emotional round will be when daughter is given her activity restrictions. There will be enough to deal with then, so am trying really hard to not dwell on it now.
Off to do some organizing/cleaning while I have a chance. Will keep popping in. :)
Looks like Kate went from pimping the twins to pimping Hannah & Zorro-(on her twitter) And on tweet in 3 days. Lets see how long she'll go be for.
Farting rainbows and happy joy-joy hashtags,
So, now we know why they're so quiet on Twitter. They are posting there instead, and the Truthers can't set them straight when they're wrong. That way they can stick their fingers in their ears and yell "lalalala" instead of hearing the truth.
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But that kind of defeats their whole purpose, doesn't it? There's no controversy, no sniping back and forth at the haters. What kind of satisfaction do they get out of that -- with everyone agreeing with each other? Does Milo post there? I've never been to that site.
"Thanks Layla. I saw piggy's post but hadn't clicked through to the comments. I'm sure they will provide hours of amusement and frustration.
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I laughed out loud when I read that. Sometimes autocorrect knows exactly what it's doing!
Paula (162) said..."The reason many get so exasperated with you is that no matter what, you constantly and continually criticize Jon, even when he's done something positive."
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I risk getting flamed for saying this, but I think that the reason some get frustrated with this person's posts is because of the tone of the posts -- kind of like this person is right and everyone else is wrong, and when there is no disagreement or comment, another post such as the recent one appears. It's almost like an attempt to stir things up by playing the victim card.
Hey Kate I got something you can re-tweet and it's from your old pal Dr.Phil.
Dr. Phil @DrPhil Jan 24
If you choose the behavior, you choose the consequences. #DrPhil
Paula 168
Wow, and you know this how? Are you a therapist now? The reason many get so exasperated with you is that no matter what, you constantly and continually criticize Jon, even when he's done something positive.
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Ouch..that hurts my heart. I often get frustrated at Ex Nurse's comments and, to my shame, have posted sometimes not using diplomacy. I do, more often than not, get angry at her posts and I have to remind myself that people form and speak their opinions according to what they have experienced and how they have processed what they have been through. It rarely means that they a good or bad person.
EVERYONE seeks validation in one form or another. How many of us go back to make sure their post went through and if anyone has commented on it. That in it's self is looking for validation of some sort. I know that I often get my feelings hurt when I have taken time and have spoken from my heart and no one comments. I have also experienced being attacked for not agreeing, not much now days but I think that most here have realized that error and have worked very hard on changing how they word their comments. If not! HEY...at least they read and commented on my post and have not just thrown my comment to the wind.
Ex Nurse, I am very sorry for my part in not allowing you to voice your opinion without fear of being JUDGED or ATTACKED. It hurts and it sucks. From this point on I will do my very best to not do it again. To you or anyone else here. Sorry that you have felt uncomfortable. It can be a lonely place.
Meagler....great timeline. KK is so obviously when you look closely.
As for people still equating Jon's issues with KK's issues.....let me remind people:
IT was twisted KK and KK alone that planned the multiples.
Jon greatest fault has always been his inability to tell KK: "STFU"...and the word "NO"!
Ex-Nurse
I can understand what you're going through. I had a partner of a few years who was very clingy and quite he would put up with a lot of crap from people.
I basically had to tell him to man up and stick up for himself. We're still working on his issues.
Everyone here has their opinion, obviously as that is why we post here and what makes this place so special. I love a good debate and back and forth. It's is when someone puts forth their opinion and assumes that everyone else should agree with her/him. It's highly disrespectful to keep going on and on trying to force people to agree with you and then playing the victim when they don't.
Big hug to sparkle. I went through some bad things too and I know how you feel. 2 teachers saw my whelps on my back when I was about 9 and they asked me what happened and I told them my 5 year old brother had jumped all over my back. I knew if I told them my dad did it, it would be worse.
I totally agree. Colin is TFW's whipping boy.
Just like a dr. that owns a local ambulance co. (not the one I use) every month puts a small amount of money in the bank to cover the employees checks. Whoever is lucky enough to get to the bank and get their check cashed is very lucky. Many employee checks are bounced and they go weeks and weeks without pay. People that don't deserve this. Paramedics, ambulance drivers, EMT's. They work hard and they SAVE LIVES!
He's ponyied up with a law team that gets him around the loopholes. Also, they are charged overdrafts and it is a mess. Shameful, just shameful.
I was on Facebook yesterday and someone I know said while she was at the dr.s office with her dh doing an MRI, posted, Guess what? Just found out that my check bounced! I posted, I am so sorry. You know what? He won't keep doing that forever. Just like TFW. She won't keep on mentally and physically abuse the kids and the pets forever. Her gold and silver will turn to canker just like the dr.'s. It won't last forever the abuse, but the memories will haunt and torment them for the rest of their lives. And I pray that it will be none or minimal.
Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. Matthew 5:9 KJV
About finding John Bobbitts, you know, I wonder if they called in the "Bloodhounds"? lol
Thanks for the tip about Ziggy's blog. She's busily putting Jon down, then writes: "The ewe factor is running around 200%." I think she means "ew," but for her, I'd say "ewe" works just fine!
Jon greatest fault has always been his inability to tell KK: "STFU"...and the word "NO"!
True. I think Jon going after Kate for custody violations and then possible custody is a sign he is taking a 1st step in telling Kate to STFU!
About finding John Bobbitts, you know, I wonder if they called in the "Bloodhounds"? lol
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I'm remembering the joke that went around during that time. His wife went to get a haircut, and when they asked her how she wants it styled/cut, she replied, "Just bob-it."
Ouch..that hurts my heart. I often get frustrated at Ex Nurse's comments and, to my shame, have posted sometimes not using diplomacy. I do, more often than not, get angry at her posts and I have to remind myself that people form and speak their opinions according to what they have experienced and how they have processed what they have been through. It rarely means that they a good or bad person.
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Very true, but I'm not sure exactly what ex-nurse wants from the posters here. An apology for not agreeing with her? Agreeing with her even though they don't? Allowing her criticism of Jon to continue without responding or discussing their own opinions? What are her expectations of the posters here?
Good observation from SCgal (169) regarding her seeing Jon through the filter of her husband, but isn't that what Goody does? She has issues with Jon because of what she apparently has been through in a nasty divorce. Problem is, she won't let it go, and she gets called out on it because everything Jon does is wrong. From her, it gets tiring after awhile.
Speaking of which...where is Goody? Flocking to the other blog with the rest of the sheep?
Njay said... 177
Ex Nurse, I am very sorry for my part in not allowing you to voice your opinion without fear of being JUDGED or ATTACKED. It hurts and it sucks. From this point on I will do my very best to not do it again. To you or anyone else here. Sorry that you have felt uncomfortable. It can be a lonely place.
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Ditto. I was attacked for saying "Man Up". I have a right to my opinion about Jon which tend to waver based on his behavior LOL. RIght now I feel much the way I did when he acted out when they were getting divorced. I just wanted him to continue to be the good guy and he kept giving ammunition to the people who said otherwise. If we all agreed we would be a sheeple blog.
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I love Andy more every day.
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@xxxxxxxx: @Andy can you have kate gosselin on the show with her twins???
@Andy: @xxxxxxxx lol NO! Poor kids!
lukebandit said... 182
About finding John Bobbitts, you know, I wonder if they called in the "Bloodhounds"? lol
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Maybe they did...or cadaver dogs.
@Meagler said... I enjoyed you long post! You made TFW sound so Bi-Polar. I don't have twitter but sounds like it has gotten very quiet...the wine must be working. I wouldn't want to be around TFW right now and do fear for the kids and verbal abuse that I am sure is happening now.
Wow, and you know this how? Are you a therapist now?
That doesn't seem like a very respectful response. I would much prefer to see us debate the topic at hand, rather than being disrespectful to other posters.
You don't have to like what they say, but everyone's entitled to their opinion, no?
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 56s
@Paula__M__B @Kateplusmy8 Gave granddaughter Kate's cookbook a gift & she is now learning to cook with Kate's book & loves the recipes:)
I hope she gave her an electric can opener as well. What more would she need?
I think there is a very small number of very outspoken Team Jon posters who seem to want to completely quell and control the conversation
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Stuff like this is a violation of rule 3 and is why I firmly believe you are here to derail this blog. Intentional or unintentional I don't know, but this is pretty much what, your fourth or fifth warning?
Enough. Stop derailing my blog, stop going on and on and on and on about the same things, stop accusing the posters here of this that and the other thing. We're just not this blog.
Local is one who is not very happy with Jon right now, if she doesn't mind my saying so. Read her posts to learn how to express displeasure with whatever it is without DERAILING. Otherwise I'm going to delete your posts, and that I really don't want to do to someone who has never been a problem before until recently.
Admin: I too would not want to deal with any ex who is like Kate. I would be running the other way asap.
Can we say in extreme big letters: KATE YOUR PLAN TO USE YOUR TWINS TO GET BACK ON TV BACKED FIRED! BIG TIME!!!!!
I just can back from shopping, and there are 3 mag rags with articles of the Gosselin kids, wanting to go & live with Daddy, and Jon taking Kate to court to get custody, and how the kids are treated by Kate, one article even did a comparision, between Jon & Kates parenting, it was day to night.
Kate has been quiet for 2 1/2 days, now, must be on phone with lawyer, and planning her next move, since this blew up in her face. You know even thought the twins went on the View, and did a normal/mediocre interview, the Today show one is the one people are remembering & talking about.
YOU BLEW IT KATE! LOLOLOL
SwingsandRoundabouts said... 150
Ex-Nurse: I always appreciate your well thought out posts and whether we all agree or not it is good to have a discussion approaching issues from different viewpoints. <---me, too.
Ex-Nurse....I was hoping you would weigh in. I was interested to see what your take on this would be.
I don't always agree with you, but you often provide an interesting perspective. I think where you sometimes run into trouble is that you keep posting a perspective over and over when it's obvious that no one is going to agree with you. Time to drop it, then (no offense intended).
And I do think, as someone above suggested, that you run your opinion of Jon’s behavior thru the filter of your husband’s behavior. But we all do that….run it thru our personal filter. It’s just that for most of us our personal filter is TFW, not Jon.
To address some of your points…
For what it is worth, IMO we are seeing the real Jon on CT… That’s my impression, too. He can appear well-spoken, articulate, clean-cut, but I really wonder if what we saw on CT is the ‘real’ Jon. Maybe. Sometimes I think that he doesn’t really know who he is. He just mirrors whichever woman he is with at the time.
he is hardly emotionally equipped to handle a full-time, very flawed and troubled, relationship, hold down a job and take on full-time custody of 5 abused children. ….
If he is with someone who is nurturing and patient, then I might feel differently. However, Jon does not seem to attract, or be attracted to, that type of person.….. True enough. He does seem to be attracted to women who are dominant. Something to work on, I guess.
But it’s not any different than TFW, who is mean/evil and obviously has a lot to work on. She isn’t in a position to handle the kids any better than he is, IMO.
I just don't think that we can lay all of his obvious character flaws at TFW's feet. …. some of it, he brought with him
True. Thus the need for some heavy duty therapy.
Ziggy was the first sheeple to really viciously attack me. She accused me of begging for donations to pay back student loans, which anyone who has been here since the beginning knows never happened. It was literally a lie out of thin air. But even if someone did do that, and many people have, if you don't want to give someone money you don't have to. Geez, no one is pulling your arm. Such a big deal out of nothing. I don't understand why anyone finds such things amusing or interesting.
ARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 7m
@SpinoWino @Paula__M__B @Kateplusmy8 Stop fool you can't steal someone's recipe's. Do some research on that & you'll find out. ROFL #troll
Oh. My. Word. Is it just me, or are the sheeple getting dumber as time goes on?
Rhymes with Witch said... 160
Jon and those children need professional assistance from someone with the expertise to help.them, not from an unlicensed Industrial/Organizational psychologist who has a public forum thanks to Oprah.
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Rhymes, I agree with you for the most part. I'm looking at the big picture. I think what he would get while they film is definitely not enough to benefit
him. But if you watched the clip I posted and saw his strong view about parental alienation he and his team would find a way to help Jon. He always offers help with getting the best help there is around where they live. With the conviction he showed about removing the children from the one who is using the kids and alienating from the other parent. I really think he would help Jon get the kids.
When he did what he did with Kate, there wasn't any proof that she was the problem and that she abused the kids. There is so much proof lately that there is no way he can dispute that it is not happining. I also believe he would get Jon help with removing them. His views were pretty strong against children being turned against the other parent.
To BV and the Minions: you all seem to think that people just randomly decided one day to "bully" Kate Gosselin for nothing more than shits & giggles. Not true.
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You know how Jon says the biggest misconception is that he cheated on Kate?
I think the biggest misconception about the "haters" is that they just one day decided to pick on Kate. It's funny how similar most people's stories were. Most of us liked this show. It was usually for most of us a very slow process until Kate did so many bad deeds we couldn't take it anymore and turned on her. She ran out of "benefit of the doubts."
Ziggy IS vicious ITA. She is really really mean and like Admin says makes stuff out of thin air. Birds of a feather I guess...
Meagler....loved your timeline. Very interesting.
Sparkle...my heart is sad for the little girl that you once were.
I am in the same predicament with my granddaughter. There's stuff, not enough that anyone in authority is going to do anything about. But still stuff that is very ala TFW.
I can't offer much in the way of support, because then I'm denied all access to her. The best I can do is limited support, and try to maintain what contact I can with her. I really struggle with what is the right thing to do, and have shed many, many tears over this situation and prayed many prayers.
My hope was that when she's over 18 we can talk and I can tell her how much I tried to help but was denied. Unfortunately, at age 10, she is starting to become her mother. It's just sad.
Aww shucks.
I think Andy must be the first journalist to take a stand and say NO I will not have the children on my show NO.
Good for him. I just adore him. Move over Anderson Cooper.
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