I'm not sure it's the responsibility of other posters here to validate anyone's point of view, or perhaps I'm not understanding the comment.
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No, it certainly is not. If that is what you want then I would suggest therapy. It's a celebrity blog. We post what we post and sometimes people agree or disagree but please do not come here for "validation." That is not fair to expect of the posters here. This is not RealitytvKids therapy. It's a BLOG. And please do not accuse disagreement with disrespect. Two different things.
It is on the Ziggyflo blog. It was dead for a long time, but since the sheple aren't tweeting much, I thought they must be discussing it somewhere. And they are! ---------- They are, but there sure aren't many of them. Of the 92 comments, 51 were by the Zigster herself, 30 were by 4 other names, and the remaining 11 were by 6 other names. Talk about talking to yourself!
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I agree the pics with the pitbulls were very sweet and I think Liz treats the G kids like her own, but doesn't think a house with 11 kids would be feasible.JMO.
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Maybe so, and it wouldn't be an unreasonable opinion. Eleven kids is a lot. I have no idea whose idea it was to try to get custody, Jon's, Liz's, or both. But knowing Liz, I can see her saying honey, I know you want all the kids but why don't we START with the sextuplets and see if you can get more time with them in the first place and then if you DO get more time, see how it goes? Prove you can maintain a job and maintain a home big enough so they are comfortable. Then we can talk about custody of all of them.
Just a hunch. She seems a bit more rational than Jon at times.
They are, but there sure aren't many of them. Of the 92 comments, 51 were by the Zigster herself, 30 were by 4 other names, and the remaining 11 were by 6 other names. Talk about talking to yourself!
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LOL. Thanks Math girl. Maybe they should have focused more on creating and maintaining a high quality blog and less on attacking me and others. They wouldn't be talking to themselves today.
IF that's ever me someday here....feel free to say something. :)
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 194 I think Andy must be the first journalist to take a stand and say NO I will not have the children on my show NO. _____
Lets hops more people follow him say-(the view/today/GMA/Hallmark ect ect..) #teamandy
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 199 I think Andy must be the first journalist to take a stand and say NO I will not have the children on my show NO.
Good for him. I just adore him. Move over Anderson Cooper.
And let's not forget, this is the woman that knowing the danger to babies born as high order multiples, INTENTIONALLY, with no regard to the health of her babies, lied to doctors and her husband in order to create them. (AND SHE IS A NURSE)
She does not even "like" children, that is obviously by watching the show that she aggressively pursued. She was always more concerned about what they looked like, than the emotional health of her children. We all saw it.
And I remember Jon saying that how they disciplined the children was very different. And a point of contention.
And Jon just said recently how Aiden is beginning to talk more....as if the poor boy was silenced by his mother I am sure.
Thanks for the tip about Ziggy's blog. She's busily putting Jon down, then writes: "The ewe factor is running around 200%." I think she means "ew," but for her, I'd say "ewe" works just fine!
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LOL!! That sheeple has never been known for her spelling and grammar skills! Sometimes those mistakes are just so darn funny, and in that case, fits right in with sheep speak.
All The enablersOfKatesExploitationOf8Kids: Are we ALL wrong? ALL of us? Get urhead outa your ass.
(Major credit to Preesi for compilation)
Jodi & Kevin, Judy, kids favorite nanny. Julie, Beth & Bob Carson Kids aunts and uncles, cousins, grandparents (both sides) The 2 hundred Volunteers, The 20+ Nannies that got fired..The private nurse 'Angela' who said publically Kate treated volunteers like shit. Thousands of bloggers. . The Housekeepers, Kates Dads Church, J&Ks first Church Who remodelled their Dauphin Ave Home. ALL the Westbrooke neighbors, including the Minister.All the mean store owners that refused to give all 10 people plus the crew FREEBIES who got their store name blurred out and not mentioned on the show.
All the many bloggers from GWOP, 15 Mins , Jibberjabbers, SmallTownGosselins, RWA, MOON and Cafemom etc
All the MILLIONS of commenters on said blogs from across the world, Kates Dialysis Nurse Mates The patient Kate worked on in the Clinic, Kates ex fiance, Kates ex BF
Philadelphia Magazine and Jessica Remo, All the FORMER Fans that met Kate in person and said she was rude to them. All the event cooordinators who said Kate was snobby and entitled and acted unchristian.
The people at the stores and supermarkets that wait on her and say shes mean and nasty. The woman whose car she hit and ran from. All the Churches that spoke out. All the venues Kate pulled out of to get a higher paying asking price.
Christianity Today. Whoopi Goldberg. Johnny Weir. Tony Dovolani. The DWTS people Wendy Williams. Anderson Cooper. Andy who called her a jackhole. The Momlogic show that she fucked up & fired her. Coupon Cabin who fired her. TLC who fired her. Zondervan for cancelling the cookbook. Healthtex for dropping her name from the kids clothing line. Rene Syler. The Today show crew. Sylvia Lafair. Jons Father who warned Jon not to marry her. Dr Lillian Glass (the foremost EXPERT on Body Language in the USA)
All the respected journalists who wrote well researched and written stories about Kate's evil & diva behavior. TLC crew who said she treated everyone like shit. All the respected Psychologists who wrote well researched and written essays. Nina Frye. Paul Peterson and Janet. Alison Ingram. Their father, Jon who she is alienating the kids from. On and on and on.....want more ? .
To those who checked out Piggy's/Ziggy's blog, it's fun to go back and read some of the stuff in the archives. Two years ago, when Kate announced the cruise (remember that fiasco?) they were all wishing the "haters" would just come out and admit that they're all just soooo jealous of Kate for having that cruise. Looking back at the humiliation Kate got out of that one-- I mean really, seeing it announced on every news site that your cruise was cancelled because nobody wants to be around you, ouch!. Or reading their predictions right when K+8 was cancelled that Kate MUST have something big in the works. Or their opinions that TLC didn't fire Kate--it was a mutual decision, that Kate put her foot down and said no more drama. And now she doesn't have a show because she's being choosy about what she'll get involved with. Oh, it's a laugh a minute.
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Hahaha! So funny, thanks for the out loud laugh! I'd bet my last dollar that many of those names are socks, either from Zippy or her sheep. If she'd spent some time upgrading that blog - it's so outdated - and was welcoming to other ideas and opinions, it might have stood a chance. Now, it's just another slowly dying fan blog. The one positive thing is that it shows just how wrong the fans were about so so so many things.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx @Kateplusmy8 Another story of Kate abusing her children. Pa CPS TAKE NOTE! http://www.hollywoodheartbreaker.com/2010/01/24/another-story-of-kate-gosselin-hitting-her-kids/ …
I don't understand why PA child services should take note of an incident that happened in 2010. Maybe I'm missing something?
Susie Cincinnati said... 13 Thanks for the tip about Ziggy's blog. She's busily putting Jon down, then writes: "The ewe factor is running around 200%." I think she means "ew," but for her, I'd say "ewe" works just fine!
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LOL!! That sheeple has never been known for her spelling and grammar skills! Sometimes those mistakes are just so darn funny, and in that case, fits right in with sheep speak. __________________
And to think that Zigmeister's blog was the main source of BV's "intel." Gotta laugh.
Her paid twitter bots are turning on her. She made Kendra cry. She parked in fire lanes got speeding tickets. Andy met her 2x and still doesn't like her. Her last two book bombed badly. Katie Couric W Andy made her slam on KK. Inside Edition slammed KK. Jane Velez-Mitchell and her panel slammed KK.
Her roots look horrible looks like Jason and Ted Gibson stopped doing her or taking her calls.
C&M stood up to their mother not once but twice and on TV. And they wouldn't run dad over with a bus.
Susie Cincinnati said: Very true, but I'm not sure exactly what ex-nurse wants from the posters here. An apology for not agreeing with her? Agreeing with her even though they don't? Allowing her criticism of Jon to continue without responding or discussing their own opinions? What are her expectations of the posters here? ******* What I see on this blog is that posters are rarely rude or abusive to other posters. We all feel free to voice our opinions and our differences of opinion. It is not disrespectful to disagree, per se.
I think if it's hard to accept that your viewpoint might be in the minority, and if you will repeatedly get your feelings hurt when not enough posters agree with you to your satisfaction, then you might choose to step away from this blog.
However, it is unfair to say that this blog is run by a sort of mob mentality, and that we chase people off who don't agree with the majority rule. I post on any number of online sites, from other blogs, to bulletin boards, to news sites. Of all the places I visit regularly, this blog is one of the most civil, and one that also allows opinions of all kinds.
So I again say - if you are getting your feelings hurt repeatedly here, you may want to examine what it is you are expecting from the rest of us posters. It may not be reasonable.
Sparkle - your childhood story hurt my heart. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Thank goodness for the one teacher, but how sad she retired after the 4th grade. I hope that more people nowadays will intercede on behalf of children, but sadly many still feel uncertain as to the proper protocol and of course, feel they may have no right to interfere. I'm glad you made it through and I wish you every happiness in life :)
I've not read all the comments yet, but am going to comment now..... This is an interesting discussion about differing opinions on this blog. I don't believe that having a different opinion than a comment means that I'm jumping on to that person...it's is simply stating my disagreement with the comment. There is really no reason to be so offended that someone has a different opinion than you do.
Some of the responses are seen as not respectful by others, but to me they are comments that are simply saying what they are thinking, just not using so-called 'proper' words. This blog has never seemed to me to be one where everyone must walk on eggshells and agonize about their comments in order please everyone. To quote WOS, ''I just don't get it''.
While I am happy that Jon is seeking custody of the 6 I fear for the mental health of the 2. I am 50 and still suffer from the emotional pain inflicted on me by my mom. She made me my brothers keeper. Only years later did I apologize for the way I treated him. I didn't know better. As for the disrespect towards my father she taught me it mirrors Kate's. She would even drive me to his girlfriends house so I could see his car and her the vile names she called both him and her. Like many school was my refuge.
I know there are some posters here who are very anti-Jon. Most of us are ambiguous about him. I was pretty ticked off at him a couple weeks ago and I said so. He is no saint, and I don't think there is anyone here who thinks he is. He has made some stupid mistakes. He has made bad choices. He has said some things that make us all want to tell him to shut up. But I think we can all agree that he is the best chance these kids have for a normal life. Kate sees them as commodities--objects to be sold for whatever money she can get out of them. Jon is against pimping out the kids for money. Kate is abusive. Jon is not. It would be nice if there was one person in this mess who is without flaws, who hasn't made an a@@ of him/herself way too many times, and who can step in and be everything the G kids need in a parent. But there's not. There's just Jon and Kate. We tend to root for Jon because we are rooting for the kids. We want them to live without exploitation and abuse. Their best chance for that is Jon. If he can make good choices, that benefits the kids. We are hopeful for him because if he can pull himself together, then the kids win. Kate will never change--we know that by now. There's no hope for her. But there is for Jon.
On twitter, I saw a link to an article on Renee Syler's Good Enough Mother blog. The title of the article is "The GEM Debate: Kate Gosselin: Narcissism Or Setting The Record Straight?". It was written after the twins and Kate appeared on Today. It was not written by Renee but it had a lot of valid points. An excerpt:
"Here’s a news flash for Kate: Just because magazines and TV shows want to interview you and your kids doesn’t mean you have to do it! No matter what they tell you when they call, the media doesn’t care about you or your wonderful children. They care about grabbing the public’s attention. You probably made a little money and you might make a little more when all is said and done. It’s completely understandable that you’d want to. After all, you’re raising a small army. But what is it costing your children? It’s okay if you choose not to allow a nation of strangers to ogle your children, especially if it means that they will reach adulthood relatively unscathed. No matter how much you insist that the kids are all right, it’s hard to believe. I’m sure you love and care for your children, but right now all we can see is how much Kate cares about Kate."
When I started reading A Tweetie's list of people who didn't know how to help Kate, I started thinking "Johnny Weir, Johnny Weir, Johnny Weir".
Tweetie did include him in her list, and I was reminded that he has a new gig - figure skating commentator for a major US network. He and Tara Lipinski will be doing the Olympics.
I saw/heard their coverage of the European Figure Skating championships, and they were really good. Often in figure skating coverage there is one commentator who makes remarks like "and he goes down", and I just want to leap through the screen and strangle them. Yes, we saw it, now shut up and let us enjoy the skating. At Europeans, the commentary was just right, informative but not obtrusive. The commentators were never shown, and I didn't recognize Johnny Weir's voice, so I looked up who it was.
So kudos to Johnny Weir. I may have to watch some Olympic coverage on a US network, if we Canadians get Rod Black the vacuous blatherer.
Funny, but I recall many a post from you accusing Kate of stealing from church ladies. They didn't have to give money either, but you sure as hell made a deal out of that. The usual hypocrisy many of us have come to expect...
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You're missing the point of why people were ticked at Kate for taking church ladies' money. The point was not begging for money. The point was that Kate begged for money while at the same time being very wealthy. Signing multi thousands and pushing millions contracts (Lane furniture, TLC), closing on a million dollar house, and the like. The point was the FRAUD, misrepresenting their situation. And Jon was part of it to for that matter.
At the time this sheeple person accused ME of begging, I don't think I had more than 100 bucks in savings and was living paycheck to paycheck. Had I asked for money, which I did not, there would be nothing hypocritical about it, as I was not secretly signing multi million dollar contracts at the same time. And I would have happily disclosed my complete financial picture if anyone had asked, I am not uptight about that stuff. There would be nothing fraudulent whatsoever about me saying I'm really hard up for cash care to donate? That would be the TRUTH. This is all a moot point anyway since it was a flat out lie I ever did that.
I guess it is for ex Nurse. Her posts repeatedly insult and take to task the people here, and I for one am sick and tired of it. No one else here talks that way other than drive bys.
I have gotten jumped on for speaking my mind about Jon and Kate, and it usually doesn't bother me. The ones that bother me are the ones who can't stick with the facts so resort to either name calling or calling out your spelling errors! LOL.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 37 Funny, but I recall many a post from you accusing Kate of stealing from church ladies. They didn't have to give money either, but you sure as hell made a deal out of that. The usual hypocrisy many of us have come to expect...
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You're missing the point of why people were ticked at Kate for taking church ladies' money. The point was not begging for money. The point was that Kate begged for money while at the same time being very wealthy.
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Absolutely! I saw this for myself! My friend invited me to a talk in the summer of 2008. I remember because my daughter was gone for the summer with my dad. My friend dragged me there. At the time I was pretty neutral on the show. Anyway, when they got to the plate passin my friend was going to donate. I told her she was crazy, they just got back from Hawaii ( I had no idea about the house). She said "but it's for the kids college (which is what was touted).
The interesting thing is at this point Jon said NOTHING during the talk. Kate explained that she was better at talking. I think he just had guilt.
Was EM Tanner on that list? If not, she should be. She did a lot for that family and it seemed never to be enough, and then she got dragged into a pissing match on Twitter.
So very tired of hearing people bitch about Jon being on CT. For what ever reason he picked this one to be on. The kid's are not on it....the kid's are not being forced on shows to promote it...the kid's are NOT the draw or focus of the show. OMG the kid's might see it one day...So what. He might talk about TFW....duuhhhh....past relationships affect current relationships. What you won't hear from him on this show or any other show is how much he resents his kids for taking his time and or his money.
Jon got a job without using the kids. Jon is speaking out and is finally being seen for more than just a dead beat douche bag. When you had the world seeing you as a piece of shit and being the butt of a million jokes...then you might have the right to feel like he does. How it finally feels to be validated.
When TFW gets a gig on HER own...so be it. As long as she's still trying to sell the kid's and putting her needs and wants before them...I will call her out for the piece of shit that she is.
Greedy Gosselins said... 48 Jon got a job without using the kids._______________________
I disagree. Jon wouldn't even be on CT if he hadn't had 8 kids.
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I think what that statement means is, Jon didn't parade the kids in front of TV cameras, use them in cookbooks or a blog continually, tweet that he does everything for his kids, post pictures of his kids constantly, appear with the kids on national TV with scripted lines for them to say and embarrass the bejezus out of them.....
A fly on the wall in Kate's house these past few days probably met it's fate at the end of a wooden spoon. Kids, or most kids, are with Jon, so she has no need to tweet. Tweeting is her distraction from being a mother. After her shenanigans of the recent past, it is entirely possible that ALL the kids are with their father (alienation your honor? I have no idea what you mean), so she's 5 sheets into the bedroom wine collection. POS.
Was EM Tanner on that list? If not, she should be. She did a lot for that family and it seemed never to be enough, and then she got dragged into a pissing match on Twitter.
-------------- Didn't that guy who saw her at the Red Cross event also get into some kind of a pi$$ing match with her? What was that all about? She's alienated herself from so many people that I forget what those matches were all about!
I guess it is for ex Nurse. Her posts repeatedly insult and take to task the people here, and I for one am sick and tired of it. No one else here talks that way other than drive bys.
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I think the thing is that most posters here are respectful of other people's opinions and know how to use their words in a way that they can disagree without insults; they've said what's on their minds, and then go on to another discussion.
However, when you give someone multiple warnings, but it continues like it went in one ear and out the other, then it starts to wear thin after awhile and you just wonder why someone can't move on.
Didn't that guy who saw her at the Red Cross event also get into some kind of a pi$$ing match with her? What was that all about? She's alienated herself from so many people that I forget what those matches were all about! ______
Don't forget the Red-cross it self they no-like KK sexy bare foot wrapped in their blanket photo.
Well, I found this blog a few years ago when I googled "Kate Gosselin is a bitch". LOL!
As hard as I try to understand the sheeple, I just can't. I watched the show in the beginning, mostly because my oldest was around the same age as the 6, so it piqued my interest.
The major shopping spree at the discount store was captivating at the time, but I remember thinking one thing: why the hell are they having a nap for 3 to 4 hours a day?? And then going to sleep so early? And sleeping so late?
Sheeple, that among many other things, is what prompted me to investigate what the hell was going on. Not because I was jealous, or wished I had a reality show, but I really wanted to know if I was the crazy one that couldn't get my 2 year old to nap for longer than 45 minutes, or have a spotless house, or sleep more than 8 hours.
I don't comment much, but I have read practically daily for years.
The Gosselins would not be world known if they didn't have 8 kids...yes 1 set of twins then a 6 pack more. We get this. BUT they are here and have been here for the last what 7 years? Get the hell over it! Yes the kids got them the fame they were/wanting hoping for. The Jon and kate +8 or kate +8 is long gone. They both are looking for easy money still. The difference is...Jon is NOT using the kids to get it. YES no one would know who he was without the kids,but like I said....thats done and over with. Every time TFW gets on a show is due to the kids...they are the main topic...So Jon finally got on a show...he's not using the kids to get it SO what is your problem????
Sparkle...thanks for sharing your story. I know it wasn't easy but it's hard not to scream it out when we know exactly how the Gosselin children feel and what their futures hold because we were through our own versions of it. It's such a terrible feeling to know, as children, we weren't protected by our parents. It's very hard to trust people even decades later. Best of luck to you.
Let's add Brad the skyjump attendant, Steve Thomas from "This old house" ( she was very rude to him) Sarah Palin, and last but not least the radio guy Carlos.
The major shopping spree at the discount store was captivating at the time, but I remember thinking one thing: why the hell are they having a nap for 3 to 4 hours a day?? And then going to sleep so early? And sleeping so late?
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I think that major shopping spree was the first big freebie Kate and Jon were handed and that's when the lightbulbs went off in Kate's head. If we can score this many free groceries from putting the kids out there for one special, think what we can get if we keep putting them out there. And the rest is history.
And I don't believe for one minute those babies were sleeping that long. They were just in lockdown until mommie dearest got her 'me' time out of the way. Kate has never really wanted to be around them, except if they can make money for her.
If this "Growing Up Gosselin" thing with the twins doesn't pan out, Jon better get a bigger house.
Got a huge kick out of you comment. Why'd you remove it?
The Hailey and The Potted Plant is definitely one of my faves. If I think I've said or done something stupid, I just look up that pic and I instantly feel better.
Let's add Brad the skyjump attendant, Steve Thomas from "This old house" ( she was very rude to him) Sarah Palin, and last but not least the radio guy Carlos.
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Gosh, that's quite a list. Remember, though, that Milo claims that everyone who meets Kate just loves her. She walks on water. The sun rises and sets on her. Kate, not Milo! :-)
Wasn't Kate also dismissive of one of her fan's who posted the sign contest on her blog? Kate told her it was only for HER twitter followers or something? In any case, she was rude to her.
I just scroll by the conversations I dont want to be in. We dont get Couples Therapy up here in The Great White North, so I am not really getting into the conversation too much.
Jon aint lily white that is for sure, but he is the best chance those kids have for a typical childhood. ( pls note I did NOT say normal!)
I was just wasting some time with that time line, wasnt even sure how good, or interesting it would be for others, glad you enjoyed it, and if it helps someone out, then I am really glad I did it.
Just back from the movie Gravity...uhhh...what can I say about it??? uhhh, I like Sandra Bullock with short hair.
Kate's off Twitter and so is Milo. I dont know what the connection there is, but there is one, I am positive. When kate does come back..Ta Daaaaaa there will be Milo!!!
Kate will always only be known as the woman with 8 kids. Any potential future tv jobs would have to promote her that way. However, it seems to me that Jon is really now better known for being the guy that used to be married to the horrible woman with 8 kids. IMO CT's viewing audience isn't the demographic who would be interested at all in the kids. However, hearing Jon spill dirt on the ex-from-hell would be interesting. Guessing that's why he was recruited for the show.
Wow!! What a comprehensive list. Add on the Palin family camping episode where things got so bad, TLC reps had to come to Alaska; Jamie and Ashley- Camping trip which made it crystal clear that the "friends" were hired help, as noted by WOS, which led to Ashley leaving; consigning clothes that were freebees (no shame); and her recent faux paux of using the twins to speak for her about their father on national tv............
The list goes on and on but with recent lawsuit against Jon and Robert, which was dismissed, and then trying to get the twins to speak out against their father went way too far. WOS clearly miscalculated this ploy.. badly.
You would think that anyone who has this many serious failures in her life, might step back and think what am I doing wrong? But WOS has the attitude that everyone else is the problem, jealous, wrong, etc.. so she will never take the steps to evaluate herself and her ridiculous choices. Narcissism is a bi$%h!
Can't imagine what the kids go through on a day to day basis, but C & M clearly are "managing" her as she makes more demands on them. I hope the six follow suit, especially Colin, and that they get to spend more time with their father, as they have paid a huge price with having their childhood sold out from under them.
Jon does need to step up to the plate and find a job that will allow for his kids to do normal events - gymnastics, baseball, scouts, etc...and be there for these events to show support. WOS will never do this because it will ruin her "schedule." The tups have more than earned their right to have a somewhat normal childhood. And both parents should make that happen. These kids are not "characters," rather normal human beings that should have interests outside of the "clan mentality." I don't think WOS will ever get it. Ever. It's all about her convenience.
Sparkle (love your name:) Yours is a sad story , but with a great ending. You sound like a very healthy, articulate contributing "survivor". Proof positive that nightmare childhoods don't all have to end tragically. You came through!! Inspiring. At least the G8 have ONE parent who IS NOT using and abusing them, there's hope for them yet. Those of us who had TWO abusing parents, WE survived and REFUSE to continue the cycle.
Ex-Nurse, I don't know what you posted that has got some people here all ruffled, again :) has it been deleted? I find that you hold Jon up to a higher standard than you do yourself. You admit to being married to an alcoholic abusive narcissist. I can't for the life of me understand why you expect so much from him and dissect his every move. I sense a bit of projection (therapy lingo:) there, almost like the faults you find in him you feel are YOUR faults . no disrespect. I just wonder if you've asked yourself why there is an overwhelming majority of us here that you can't seem to sway? Sometimes you have to ask yourself "Is it me?"
This has happened before: Kate goes off Twitter and Milo goes off Twitter at the same time. Milo exists to respond to Kate's tweets (obviously has a tweet alert signaling the queen has tweeted). Or maybe there is silence because there is masterminding underway.
Too bad neither of them took the money they earned to get advanced degrees that would help them get good paying jobs to support their kids. Jon could have gotten a BS and MBA and Kate a BSN and even CRNP. They had enough to live on AND pay for school.
Layla said: We tend to root for Jon because we are rooting for the kids. We want them to live without exploitation and abuse. Their best chance for that is Jon. If he can make good choices, that benefits the kids. We are hopeful for him because if he can pull himself together, then the kids win. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Exactly. that's it in a nutshell.I think Jon has plenty of issues but cares for the welfare of his kids. Yes, he's made and is making mistakes, but he has obviously always been the better and more loving parent. His biggest error was marrying Kate and agreeing to and enabling her multiple baby scheme.I hope it works out for him and at least some of the kids.
May I add to the list of FOK's? (Friends Of Kate) I think we've left off the dog breeder. Remember TFW saying something like, he was talking, and I was just hearing blah blah blah. She admitted she wasn't listening or paying attention. And I thought, wow, how haughty and obnoxious to admit that she behaved that way with another adult. Is absolutely everyone beneath her, except for the View Girls and someone from whom she can grift a freebie?
Speaking of the View, I think TFW's latest on-air escapades with her daughters finally pulled that "chair of my dreams" right out from under her.
When your father is on another reality show talking about all the women he has gone to bed with and his current ex girlfriend also talks about all the men she slept with during their separations (she said I only slept with him twice) what would I think if I was 13? I would be humiliated. If my father could only complain about my mother and blame her for his laziness,. Blame my mother for his feelings of a lack of confidence, I would not want to visit with my father. I would run the other way to get away from him and this woman he is on TV with. 13 yr old girls do not want to know what their parents do sexually. No they do not. Nor does a preteen want to hear their father defending himself about being "found" masturbating while this woman call him a Pus*y over and over. Why is this woman saying "man up you P"............why did he do what he did on camera? It was obvious he was in that bed and the blankets were moving, no mistaking that. The camera even showed him pulling his pjs down. So I think Jon should just admit that most of his anger is not at Kate but with the fact that he made so many adolescent decisions many, many times. Jon has been following other women for years. When he thought he was in demand as the Gosselin Father,he was receiving fan mail via Twitter, e mails, US Mail and it went to his head. If he father told him not to marry it was because he was not a mature man at that time. Remember the film footage of them on their real honeymoon, J & K,? They were happy newlyweds. But Jon was never cut out to be a person with responsibilities and his father saw that.
Has anyone else read that J&K have the same judge for all family court matters? ************* I thought that was the case also, that for some reason the Gosselins were assigned a particular judge. Although maybe that was for the divorce stuff?
Is the latest stuff family court? And not a violation of divorce settlement stuff?
But Jon was never cut out to be a person with responsibilities and his father saw that.
LOL.....another sheeple has found its way out of the pen.... . Jon has totally responsible for those kids even as he was holding down a full time job and after when Kate went on her world-wide, I'm such a great Mom tour with a man who was not her husband. Sheesh...
I think she has been treating the twins like golden children for a very long time. A lot of little clues along the way, this from 2011: "This year, due to schedule and the unexpected Halloween blizzard, only Mady and Cara got to go Trick or Treating."
What? What does a blizzard have to do with anything? Everyone local says it was over by Halloween and everyone could go out. And if the blizzard was a problem why doesn't that mean ALL kids didn't go instead of just some of them?
For those who can't get Couples Therapy I'm not sure if this will work bu the full episode is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muosRPJBqdM
May I add the woman who drove many miles to pick Kate up for an ice skating appearance, but Kate would only go in a limo.
I would hazard a guess that while all her children love her, several don't like her very much. And I think it goes far beyond "You make me eat too many vegetables and spoil all my fun when I want to shave my sister's head." I'm talking about not liking HER.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 84 I think she has been treating the twins like golden children for a very long time. A lot of little clues along the way, this from 2011: "This year, due to schedule and the unexpected Halloween blizzard, only Mady and Cara got to go Trick or Treating." ------------------------------
Let's not forget, that Kate also appeared on the View on Halloween 2011. She was in NYC that morning, and apparently the kids going trick or treating was the least of her priorities. It had nothing to do with the "blizzard". It had more to with her "schedule".
I certainly hope, if Jon can get WOS back in court, that a Psych evaluation is required of her. Maybe a drug screen also. It is well documented that she drinks.
Maybe they should both have a Psych evaluation and drug screen.
The things I am reading about these kids are their parents makes me believe they are victims of an alcoholic parent.
I don't have any personal experience as a child of an alcoholic but I did work for a Psych Clinic that dealt with substance abuse. Saw a lot of kids come in for family therapy and their body language was exactly like what we saw on Today and The View.
Mady is Kate's keeper and Cara shields the little kids from Kate's abuse. Just my observation.
Maybe TFW is closeting the twins in her bedroom with her to avoid their watching of CT. But they could easily watch it online or sneak downstairs like Mady did for Kendra's The Girls Next Door. If their father was on television and possibly their friends watch it, I bet they would want to see what Jon or Liz was saying...or possibly Kate wants them to watch and to point out the negatives to them, to further their alienation. After all, she made the tups watch their sisters trash them on The View. We just don't know.
Maybe Milo, Kate and the rest of sheeple are off concoting their next tale for ROL...I mean the last one was so laughingly bad that no other outlets picked up the story that I was able to find.
Is thiis the new narrative? It's Jon's fault because his Dad told him not to marry Kate. Oh, lordy, as my late grandmother used to say.
If Kate wants to have these teenagers then it's really her responsibility to make sure they don't see Couples Therapy or at least make reasonable efforts to try to prevent them from seeing it, at least make it hard for them. She could block VH1 from her channel lineup, almost all cable providers allow parental controls. She could sit right with them when they are on the internet, as Jon does. She could block Youtube from the internet. She could get them a simple flip phone that could dial mom, dad and 911, instead of a 450 dollar smartphone that can look up things like Couples Therapy on Youtube. She wants these teens, then she's going to have to do the work.
The things I am reading about these kids are their parents makes me believe they are victims of an alcoholic parent.
I don't have any personal experience as a child of an alcoholic _______
I do my father has been a abusive absent alcoholic since I and my brother were children he was very abusive towards my mom and us as toddlers.
23yrs later my father refuse to get help or help my brother who had a brief drinking problems.
What really pissed me off about my father was one night my brother called him in tears asking for help and my father basically told him that he was a grown men and to take reason-ability for being a drunk.
The post at 80 is the second one that's this Angie has done that sounds like "oh yes she did". I think she even used the term "oh yes she, they, he, did/do" in the other one. JMO of course.
Grandee, Jon is also a drinker, so I don't know how useful Kate's alleged drinking would be in helping Jon make his case.
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The court does not care if parents drink. The court doesn't even care if parents abuse alcohol. What the court cares about is if you are abusing alcohol, are you putting your kids at risk? For instance are you passed out on the couch unable to care for them? Are you drinking so much that you're not working and making money to raise them? There was even a recent case in CA about a father driving drunk with his kids in the car and I think hit a light post, that was DISMISSED on appeal because they said it was a one-time mistake and was not ever likely to happen again (Dad was remorseful, checked himself into rehab and did well, didn't have a long history of drinking to excess, etc).
In CA you usually get the same judge. The idea is the judge gets to know the family. But in practice it can be bad because some judges don't like to change their minds or change original orders, they see it as admitting they were wrong before. They can get entrenched in only one way to see the case and won't change no matter what the other parent does to reform. Sometimes there are opportunities to petition for a new judge but it's rare. I thought though I remember someone saying that in PA when you petition for a modification it goes to some other panel? Which would mean a different judge.
Why are some assuming that the twins are watching their father on Couple's Therapy? I highly doubt that they are. @@@@@@ Since TFW treats the twins like her BFF's instead of daughters, I would bet that she sits right there and watches it with them and discusses how horrible Jon and Liz are. And I am only basing this on what I have see her do with the twins on the morning talk shows.
I am guessing CT is pre taped, so is Jon home? Does anyone think he got an order to have ALL the kids this weekend, thus Kate's silence? I do hope he gets a chance to see the twins and Collin.
I am guessing CT is pre taped, so is Jon home? Does anyone think he got an order to have ALL the kids this weekend, thus Kate's silence? I do hope he gets a chance to see the twins and Collin.
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Yes it was filmed way back in October and he did mention the other week he would have the kids this weekend and said he would be giving the twins a hug and asking how their day is (I assume he meant when he picked up the Tups he would see them and do that).
What I'm guessing may very well happened is that Jon's what I believe to be calculated announcement that he's going to take Kate to court over this shook her up, she freaked and said okay fine fine here's the kids this weekend happy?
Kate's M.O. is to push and push and push until somebody actually CALLS HER on it and pushes back. Then she caves faster than you can say lickity split. She really is quite a coward. If it's so bad at Jon's why cave (if that's what she did)? Same with the lawsuit, if you are so adamant this happened why drop it? I'd actually respect her more if she stuck to her guns. If you believe something, see it through. Don't play games seeing if someone will call you on your crap and holding out unless they do. That's sick, childish, sociopathic behavior.
Angie, please share how you know what Jon's father saw about Jon. Have I missed something?
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I was wondering this, also. I'm a local, and I never heard any scuttlebutt that something was amiss between Jon and his father, nor that his father had doubts about Jon's maturity. Jon wasn't a responsible person? In what universe? Apparently this person never watched the episodes.
"I would not want to visit with my father. I would run the other way to get away from him and this woman he is on TV with. 13 yr old girls do not want to know what their parents do sexually. No they do not."
Well, well, well..this sounds so much like the "oh, yes she does" person. Same writing style, same thoughts, same everything! I wondered what happened to her! I've noticed this before but didn't say anything.
"When he thought he was in demand as the Gosselin Father,he was receiving fan mail via Twitter, e mails, US Mail and it went to his head."
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Then why did he close his Twitter account? US mail? I'm not so sure very many people use snail mail anymore, especially when they don't have an address. Jon kept his residence private.
Let's see. Milo's missing. Kate is missing. Hasn't this been the story all along? Milo said she wanted to pack them up and take a vacation. Maybe she wasn't kidding!
FlimsyFlamsy (79) I don't think the "chair of her dreams" has ever been even a remote possibility. Wasn't it in the Sept. People interview where she said that "Something like The Talk would be ideal"? Why The Talk, which films in CA, and not The View, which films in NYC? Has she ever even been on The Talk before? I think she knew for certain that The View did not want her--ever---as a host, so she threw out The Talk because she thought maybe that could be a possibility. Of course, The Talk doesn't want her. I've heard that Sharon Osbourne despises Kate. So, now what? The cookbook bombed, her lawsuit failed, and she pretty much killed off any possibility of ever using the kids to work on TV and support her. Blogging failed, running failed, her cruise failed, nobody wants her for any public speaking engagements, and no companies want her to promote their products. No talk show or dating show or travel show or fitness show has dropped into her lap, and People Magazine (everyone there but Kate Coyne) has to be cringing at the thought that this whole fiasco with the twins started with them. She is holed up with Steve, trying to figure out how to spin all this. The twins' TV fiasco and Jon filing for custody, all within a week, has to have her enraged. She is getting nothing but bad press, the InTouch covers are in every checkout line, calling her out for being a bad mom, all her precious talk shows have come out against her. Andy Cohen and Chelsea Handler are making fun of her, and all she can do is tweet a picture of Zorro in Leah's hair. Just last September she said that people are dying for her to fail, and they'll just have to keep waiting. Oh, no, Kate, we've been watching you fail over and over and over again for a very long time. What's a fame whore to do now?
Ex-Nurse, I don't know what you posted that has got some people here all ruffled, again :) has it been deleted? I find that you hold Jon up to a higher standard than you do yourself. You admit to being married to an alcoholic abusive narcissist. I can't for the life of me understand why you expect so much from him and dissect his every move. I sense a bit of projection (therapy lingo:) there, almost like the faults you find in him you feel are YOUR faults . no disrespect. I just wonder if you've asked yourself why there is an overwhelming majority of us here that you can't seem to sway? Sometimes you have to ask yourself "Is it me?"
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I must have missed the post, too, but it seems like she wants validation/agreement on her comments about Jon. I've made many posts to which nobody responded. I don't expect a response. Posters here have no obligation to comment if the spirit doesn't move them. That doesn't mean, however, that because a post holds a minority opinion that it's not respected. Nobody is out to "get" ex-nurse, and I think that's the problem here. She's been very defensive, expecting that her opinion needs a comment that agrees with her own views. I hope she isn't offended by anything said here because as someone pointed out, posters don't walk on eggshells...but they are, for the most part, respectful about differing opinions.
...he did mention the other week he would have the kids this weekend and said he would be giving the twins a hug and asking how their day is (I assume he meant when he picked up the Tups he would see them and do that). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Oh...I took it to mean if he had a chance after the flop on the Today Show, to show he loves them regardless of their 'performance' unlike Kate who said they embarrassed her. I didn't take it to mean they would agree to visit him. There's something very fishy about their rejection of him. I think it's a combo of TFW's brainwashing, their age, and interests, and maybe Liz- was there a mention if they had a good relationship with her? I know she is rooting for them.
Just visited the Grand Canyon yesterday for the first time! It was awe inspiring! No pictures can do it justice. For TFW to call it a WOS just confirms her shallow existence.
Is there anything Jon could do this weekend with all the kids present to boost his case for custody? Could he introduce them to a therapist, for example? Could his attorney speak to them off the record? If he discovered abuse, say with Collin, could he refuse to return them to Kate?
Admin said - I'm just glad I'm not missing too or then the conspiracy theories really would fly! ======== An, but you were missing at one time when TFW and Milo were both missing and it was mentioned sooooooooo, you've learned from that and are only posting here to keep the suspicion off of you.
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Not only that, it's a distraction for her and it's her "script" of how she wants her household to be portrayed. When the kids are with her, she does not want to bother with them or have to engage. And you can bet if they dare interrupt her twitter fingers, there will be hell to pay. Remember the whistle
Angie said: But Jon was never cut out to be a person with responsibilities and his father saw that. ****************** I agree Jon seems to have been a young man who was spoiled by his dad and got to live a footloose and carefree life longer than most. And I would also agree that he got thrust into the role of "father of 8" pretty quickly and probably before he was ready and mature enough to handle it. But like many people who've had life unexpectedly demand things of them, he did the best he could. Did you watch the show? Do you remember how Jon did the lion's share of caring for the children when he was at home, and this usually after working a full day outside the home? He stepped up and handled his responsibilities, and shouldered most of his wife's as well.
Do you remember how he would fix TFW's coffee in the morning, go to work (commute), work all day, then come home and be told "they are all yours!" by his lazy wife? Do you then remember how he didn't say, "hey, that's your job not mine!" and go lay on the couch and ignore the kids? Remember how he didn't do that? Perhaps you might also recall how he would give the youngest six their baths, wash their hair, comb out the girls' hair, help them brush their teeth, get them tucked into bed each night? That doesn't sound irresponsible to me.
Do you remember how he and Kevin helped make a bedroom for the older two girls? Remember how he was the parent who picked up his sick son off the laundry room floor and placed him lovingly in his own bed and cared for him? That doesn't sound irresponsible to me.
Jon is flawed. But I have never doubted his love for his children, and when he is with them, he is happy and they are happy. In a way, his childlike joy in life is a benefit, because he would happily participate in bike riding, skate boarding, skiing, ice skating, and even dress up with the kids. That's called being an active, involved parent - and it's the responsible thing to do.
I think when all the children are grown and have had a chance to lead adult lives, see normal parental relationship, and hopefully heal somewhat from their childhoods - they will realize that there was one parent who gave them unconditional love and did his best.
Marie " Just visited the Grand Canyon yesterday for the first time! It was awe inspiring! No pictures can do it justice. For TFW to call it a WOS just confirms her shallow existence."
Admin said: Kate's M.O. is to push and push and push until somebody actually CALLS HER on it and pushes back. Then she caves faster than you can say lickity split. She really is quite a coward. ************************ And this is a typical bully M.O. Push, intimidate, and walk all over people until someone has the nerve to push back. Then turn and look for an easier victim. I have run into a couple in my working life and if you stand your ground, they always back down. That's why I hope Jon is continuing with counseling and learning how to keep standing up to Kate. (I think from recent events that this is likely.)
Just visited the Grand Canyon yesterday for the first time! It was awe inspiring! No pictures can do it justice. For TFW to call it a WOS just confirms her shallow existence. ******************************************************* I am so jealous, would love to see it
There are many times when I return to this blog after a day and there have been so many comments made between the last time I was here and the present time, that I can't read them all, much less respond. I skim through posts and if there is one that particularly catches my eye, I will respond. Then it's back to skimming quickly to catch up.
Sometimes a poster will respond to one of my comments, and that's nice. But if no one responds, I don't think it's personal. I figure everyone is busy with their lives, and might be like me - stopping by for 20 minutes to catch up, offer a few comments, and then off again.
Thanks for the YouTube link, I also don't get VH1 here in Canada. At first glimpse, Liz seems to be a rough girl who looks awkward and nervous in this staged environment. There is no doubt there is scripting and story lines being given to these participants. Her attire played no part in my observation of her.
The masturbation seemed like a set-up to me, based in complete fiction to create and continue the "trust issue" storyline that the show has determined they need to develop for the public consumption of this particular couple.
I do not see these two as a match. Jon needs time to sort out his issues on his own before he can engage in a healthy relationship with Liz or anyone else. He is indeed needy, Liz knows it and resents him for it. It's time for Jon is discover who he is and that would best be achieved on his own.
I would have been far more embarrassed for Jon if I thought any of this nonsense had not been scripted. Integrity seems to go out the window on these so-called reality shows. Jon needs the money and followed the script he was given, at least that is what I saw. If it puts him I a financial position to get custody of his children, then so be it, but I still believe he needs to stand alone while doing it.
"Maybe Milo, Kate and the rest of sheeple are off concoting their next tale for ROL...I mean the last one was so laughingly bad that no other outlets picked up the story that I was able to find."
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Is that the one with Milo's hand print all over it...after she tweeted the ghost writer that she wanted to dish out the dirt on Jon, but didn't want to blab it on Twitter? I can't keep up with the stuff ROL puts out.
"Is thiis the new narrative? It's Jon's fault because his Dad told him not to marry Kate. Oh, lordy, as my late grandmother used to say."
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LOL! I certainly hope not! That's really stretching it. Of course, you could say that it's all Jon's mother's fault because she gave birth to Jon in the first place! If she hadn't gotten pregnant, there would be no Jon, no Jon marrying Kate, no birth of their children, no Jon and Liz on CT.
People are saying Jon has the twins. Is that known for sure? What about Collin? Why would he suddenly see the missing kids now? I hope so, though! Did I miss something? I know he intends to apply for custody of the tups but I thought he was giving the twins their space?
Could he introduce them to a therapist, for example? Could his attorney speak to them off the record? If he discovered abuse, say with Collin, could he refuse to return them to Kate?
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I certainly wouldn't think so. Kate has legal custody. What would an attorney do? This isn't family court. An attorney isn't a therapist and isn't associated with CPS. That's why protective services are set up. Procedure must be followed. An attorney, especially one who has nothing to do with child psychological evaluation, isn't a mandated reporter. Why would Jon refuse to return them to Kate and defy court orders? That certainly wouldn't help his case when seeking custody.
She wants these teens, then she's going to have to do the work. ********************************************** Oh she wants those teens, absoulutely! The only purpose you serve a narcissist is being their "supply". Seems like they give it to her because it soothes the beast. They are human and they are children. They will need to grow up to finally figure all this out. When they themselves are having mental health issues, when they may be making poor choices I know JON, yes JON will be there.
From growing up with 2 abusive parents, you would think that I'd be all over Jon too, seeing as he's "male". But it's the opposite. I see a victim, I see a man (with MANY faults) trying TRYING to do good by his kids. For "me", he's just a human being, warts and all, trying to navigate under these extremely bizarre and UNIQUE circumstances (yes, he's responsible for the circumstances too). You'd think I'd be on the side of the Goodies etc. who hate men, but that's not the case. I hate tfw because she is the perpetrator and she continues and continues and CONTINUES to abuse, manipulate, us, isolate those kids. He's the only one trying to fix/change that, even if some of his actions are questionable and not anything I personally would do.
Simple, because he announced he was serious about getting her found in contempt of their custody order and has Blank Rome on his side to do it, and like any good bully she caved the moment the rubber meets the road. Like others have said bullies are all about puffing their chests out but if you poke that chest with a pin they deflate and run away like a coward to find somebody else to push around.
Like others have said bullies are all about puffing their chests out but if you poke that chest with a pin they deflate and run away like a coward to find somebody else to push around. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hmm, maybe. TFW usually tries some stupid scheme to stop things from not going her way. What if the twins refused to go? I'd love to be a fly on the wall of the compound ...well, maybe not.
I'm forbidden from speaking with any children involved in a case unless I am appointed to represent that child and have no prior affiliation with any other party. And unless it's in front of all the other attorneys and the judge. And I wouldn't want to anyway, too much potential for things I may say to be misconstrued.
Well, well, well..this sounds so much like the "oh, yes she does" person. Same writing style, same thoughts, same everything! I wondered what happened to her! I've noticed this before but didn't say anything.
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Yes! Exactly! The writing style, but particularly the comments that imply that the person knows what's going on in the house, with the family, with Jon. I remember that person would comment on the nanny, the relationship between Jon and the kids, Jon's father...kind of like there was insider information.
However, it's the style, semantics, syntax that is exactly the same as the "oh, yes" person. If I recall, though, the one I am thinking about was not a sheeple. She (he?) disliked both Jon and Kate equally. It's also the person who had 24 jobs at the same time, traveling all over the East Coast, wife of pap, flight attendant, child psychologist, museum curator, claiming to live everywhere Jon and Kate lived, and in Philadelphia as well.
Angie, Jon had a good job and was happy with the twins.
It was KK that insisted on more kids, and lied to Jon and her doctors to create the multiples.
As a nurse that knows the complications for multiples, I equate her actions the same as for a woman that gets pregnant and drinks herself silly everyday not caring one bit about the health of her child.
KK wanted multiples, and cared less about there health, emotionally or physically of her children.
KK did not care that the babies would not go into the arms of a caring mother and be snuggled after birth....but instead be put in a machine for weeks or months with tubes down their throats, and metal needles in their arms....no she did not care one bit.
All she wanted was the accolades and attention she got, and then later all the power it gave her.
I've thought the same thing about this poster. I think you all are right and "oh, yes she does" is back! I always got a good laugh out of her posts. Oh yes I did!
Lauren @ljohnson2006 2h They only have two seasons of Jon and Kate Plus 8 on @netflix now. This makes me sad. @Kateplusmy8 please come back to tv soon _____
I am very sad about the twins not seeing Jon, but even more troubled about the situation with Collin. What has happened in that house, or what has TFW said, to make a little boy not want to see his dad, or feel like he can't go see his dad?
I think about TFW saying that she and the twins are together in her room every night. If that is the truth, where is Collin during that time? Do they just totally ignore him? Is he all alone, having to entertain himself? I guess it's possible that he enjoys the quiet time, but something is just not right.
So much of this story is heartbreaking, but what is happening with that little boy is really distressing.
chefsummer said... 138 Lauren @ljohnson2006 2h They only have two seasons of Jon and Kate Plus 8 on @netflix now. This makes me sad. @Kateplusmy8 please come back to tv soon
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This fan, and others like her, make me wonder what is lacking in their lives that all they do for a better portion of their free time is to send out tweets to reality stars and celebrities.
I just wanted to comment on the twins seeing Jon's unfortunate performance on CT. I would be surprised if they hadn't. Kate, being the parental alienator, would be sure that the girls saw what an awful person their father was...and how right they are to not want to bother with him. I don't think Kate would miss a golden opportunity like that.
I am very sad about the twins not seeing Jon, but even more troubled about the situation with Collin. What has happened in that house, or what has TFW said, to make a little boy not want to see his dad, or feel like he can't go see his dad?
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I am worried, too. Is this woman waging psychological warfare on her young son as a substitute for getting to Jon???
We all know she is capable. She has a mean strike a mile long.
And if any of the children have problems common to multiples, why wouldn't a CARING mother not want to handle it in private instead of forcing them onto the public stage?
Between being born multiples and being raised by Nurse Ratched, and being aliened from their loving father....what more damage is left to inflict on her own children????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurse_Ratched
Jon, please wake up...this woman will never change....NEVER.
Like others have said bullies are all about puffing their chests out but if you poke that chest with a pin they deflate and run away like a coward to find somebody else to push around.
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When TFW ran away after she had been deflated this week by Jon, she is now getting that pinhole pieced and patched by holing up with Steve and twitter silence.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall of the compound ...well, maybe not.
I would think not too, Formely. A FLY on the walls of that germaphobic nutcase? You would be smashed to smithereens, then boiled in Purel, then purified by barbecue fire to get rid of any leftovers"saminella" germs ; the ashes would then be salted in that salted water pool of hers, and fed to Shoka... because, well, that's he deserves. He doesn't mind. He's a dog.
I've thought the same thing about this poster. I think you all are right and "oh, yes she does" is back! I always got a good laugh out of her posts. Oh yes I did!
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Good times! I always was impressed about how many jobs she held down at the same time. Such stamina and the ability to multitask! Every week it was a different job from a different location, but she always seemed to know exactly what was going on in Kate's home, having insider information about those around Kate. I think she was also at the Kentucky Derby and sat next to Kate in the VIP area.
The funniest thing was when she posted that she was on the steps of the art museum and heard the conversation between Kate and the kids inside the limo. Loved it! Yes, indeed, she did!
For who asked about the Grand Canyon being snow covered . . . No it isn't. No snow there at all. They said it is unusual for this time of year. It was 50 degrees. Just beautiful!
I don't like how Liz laughed at Jon after she reamed him out for what she thought he was doing. Aside from that little scene, which didn't have to be turned into a big deal, Jon hasn't said anything that he needs to be embarrassed about or that his kids shouldn't see. He's just been describing how he feels. Good for him.
And the discussion Dr. Jen had with Farrah irritated the heck out of me. Dr. Jen keeps saying no one is being judged, but when Farrah said she dated three months after having a baby, the good doctor sure sounded judgmental by the tone of her voice. I think there's a lot of judgement going on in this show.
Oh well. I'm off to practice Farrah's.dry-eyed crying technique. What a great idea. No mess.
I agree kate is usually silent when she does not have all the kids, but these past 6 months hse has been trying to make out like she has the kids every weekend. Now we know why, because she did have some of the kids every weekend.
I read somewhere that Jon was going to family court for an emergency injunction ( I may not be using the correct legal speak) to stop Kate from breaking the rules, of not giving him "first right of refusal" and maybe about not allowing him to see his kids, and THEN h would go for custody of the 6 at a later date.
Is there a possibility, that Jon did indeed do this, and the Family Court Judge told them to both stop airing their families dirty laundry in the courts of public opinion???
It just seems odd that Kate and Jon were building this huge pre-climatic frenzy and then when Jon said the custody word, boom all media interviewes were stopped. Purposely or......?
Hmmm, Admin , nay insight? or the Locals??
Speaking of climatic ( wink, wink) I havent watched the CT, and ont think I will but here is my thought..
We all know that reality tv isnt reality. They may not set up every scene, but I think when something happens, they ( the producers) imply or make suggestions that something might be more then it seems to other players in the show.
So, is it a possibility that Jon was scratching the male parts, this was viewed through the camera in theri room ( who knows it could be a live stream?) Liz was eating breakfast, and a producer goes to her and says.. ya best be getting back in there it looks like your partners is pleasuring himself..
Remember, drama makes money, and this CT show sounds like it is looking for WAY OVER THE TOP drama. It addresses all kinds of topics that would be considered shocking to many.
I also believe that Jon is niave.. and he may have truly believed that he and Liz were going to actually get therapy. None of this dramatization of stuff.
While I hope Jon would be spending time with all of the kids this weekend, I didn't interpret him saying that he'd give the twins a big hug and ask them how school was going to mean anything more than what he'd do when he saw them during pick-up of the other kids at the bus stop. I'd love for TFW to follow the custody agreement and let/push all the kids to spend time with him, but I just don't think it'll happen w/o court intervention. I hope I'm wrong about this, though.
White Organza said... 145 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ lol,That's why I changed my mind; you put it very well. One flying creature is enough- Zorro. But how long will HE last? Something suspicious about TFW acquiring a bird and allowing him free flight about the sterile walls. A bribe- but would the twins really want a bird? Not more expensive jeans or boots?
"I don't like how Liz laughed at Jon after she reamed him out for what she thought he was doing."
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I didn't either, Auntie. It was uncalled for, and just seemed snippy and condescending. Maybe she was just nervous and wasn't sure how she was supposed to react (according to the scripting). My overall feeling is that I'm just not impressed with her. Of course, maybe it was the filming environment and she's completely different in their home.
silimom said... 128 Kate is a Twit - I thought earlier, either in this thread or the last, Admin had shared that she knows the firm that is representing Jon and she was quite pleased about it.
I suppose just because he consulted with them doesn't mean he can afford to move forward yet, but I had the impression this was a done deal.
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Jon may have consulted with the law firm, waiting on the paperwork to be drawn up, etc. before actually filing. Administrator, isn't the timing of the filing of a lawsuit or motion actually part of the overall strategy?
At the very least, I would think Jon and his law team would want to factor in how fast TFMJG would be served once the lawsuit is filed and file on a day close to his custodial weekend to spare most of the kids from TFMJG's initial wrath. At least the twins have cell phones and can call someone is she's too out of control.
Why can't Kate talk to Deanna or Jamie about adult issues? Why does she need to talk to her teen girls about adult issues? *****************************************************************
Like others have said bullies are all about puffing their chests out but if you poke that chest with a pin they deflate and run away like a coward to find somebody else to push around. ***************************************************************** "puffing out chests" "poking chests with pins" "deflating" Oh gosh, so many ways to respond to this :) Auntie Ann??
This is the first comment I've read on my way to catching up, so I hope this has been settled by the time I get to the end of the comments. BUT...... angie said... 82 ''....... It was obvious he was in that bed and the blankets were moving, no mistaking that. The camera even showed him pulling his pjs down.'' ~~~~~~~~~~ WHAT? What on earth are you talking about? I did not see Jon pulling his pjs down. I'd love to know the spot on the show where you saw Jon pulling down his pjs.
❄️D A N I E L❄️ @DannyCakes1998 10m @Kateplusmy8 Who the hell does John think he is trying to have the kids he wasn't even there to help you and now he wants them like no
Wasn't there to help her? Good grief. I sometimes wonder if these tweeters are just jumping on the yapping train because they have nothing else to do. Then I look at their profiles, which explains everything!
I bet TFW's twitter silence is because she is either meeting with her attorney or her PR agent. Either way, she's probably scheming her next media blast to set the record straight for the 1,345th time. But I think that this time is going to be the hardest. She really doesn't have much left to work with nor many that would side with her anymore. Speaking of attorneys, would hers be likely to "scold" her for breaking the child custody agreement by taking the twins to New York or just ignore it?
Thanks everyone for all the tips about my dad. I am going to look into those for sure.
The recap is almost done and I will post soon. You know on balance Jon and Liz weren't in this episode much. Most of the storyline was about Farrah so that's what most of the recap is about.
Hey, AuntieAnn, don't give Farrah credit for inventing dry-eyed crying. That's TFW's specialty! She's probably reading this right now and asking, "Can we sue?" #dontsayididn'twarnyou
AuntieAnn said... 148 I'm off to practice Farrah's.dry-eyed crying technique. What a great idea. No mess. ---- I've been trying to figure out the trick to her whispery voice in the middle of a sentence.
AuntieAnn said... 148 I'm off to practice Farrah's.dry-eyed crying technique. What a great idea. No mess. ---- I've been trying to figure out the trick to her whispery voice in the middle of a sentence.
May said... 142 I just wanted to comment on the twins seeing Jon's unfortunate performance on CT. I would be surprised if they hadn't. Kate, being the parental alienator, would be sure that the girls saw what an awful person their father was.. ___ Amen
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I am very sad about the twins not seeing Jon, but even more troubled about the situation with Collin. What has happened in that house, or what has TFW said, to make a little boy not want to see his dad, or feel like he can't go see his dad? ______ Amen. Amen.
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And listen sheep - Kate has been alone for a long time according to you ... so she's either pleasing herself or a frigid ice queen ... take your pick!
Vanessa said... 126 ''....From growing up with 2 abusive parents, you would think that I'd be all over Jon too, seeing as he's "male". But it's the opposite. I see a victim, I see a man (with MANY faults) trying TRYING to do good by his kids.'' ''.......I hate tfw because she is the perpetrator and she continues and continues and CONTINUES to abuse, manipulate, us, isolate those kids. He's the only one trying to fix/change that, even if some of his actions are questionable and not anything I personally would do. '' ~~~~~~~~~~~~ As another one who had 2 abusive parents, I think exactly the same as you. In another comment you said that some of us made it through our childhood/teens with the absolute determination to break the cycle and NEVER EVER treat our children the way we were treated. There are quite a few of us on this blog that have said/done the same thing.
KK did not care that the babies would not go into the arms of a caring mother and be snuggled after birth....but instead be put in a machine for weeks or months with tubes down their throats, and metal needles in their arms....no she did not care one bit.
All she wanted was the accolades and attention she got, and then later all the power it gave her. ____ I've often wondered what would have happened had Kate not had 6 healthy babies. I think it's safe to say she's ill-equipped to deal with any special needs children. Makes me shudder.
I know Kate thanks God for giving her kids. I think Kate (and modern science) gave herself kids ... God stepped in to make them healthy because he knew what kind of person she was/is.
Dr. Jen keeps saying no one is being judged, but when Farrah said she dated three months after having a baby, the good doctor sure sounded judgmental by the tone of her voice.
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You know I have a laundry list of issues with Farrah but it doesn't remotely bother me she wanted to date after having a baby. The baby was three months old, not three days old, and she had decent grandparents who ADORE her and happily watched her.
I don't think it's fair to expect any mother not to have a little fun whether they are a teen or not. As long as your child is well cared for there's no harm there. If anything I would worry about expecting Farrah to always be home such that she starts resenting her child. Grandparents like time alone with the baby anyway! Some mothers don't like to go out at all and that's fine but it's a fine line there putting your whole life on hold. Suddenly your kid has plans and your parents have no friends or plans to occupy themselves while the kid is gone.
Now in Farrah's case she took it too far but Jenn didn't really explain that from what I remember Farrah was apparently out all the time and neglecting her child. That's different. But coming down hard on a mother for going out with a baby at home, standing alone, is harsh.
I watched some of Teen Mom with my daughter when Farrah's parents were concerned she was out clubbing every night and not taking care of the baby at all, expecting her mom to do everything. She bitched that her mother was denying her her teenage years. Her mother pointed out that by having a baby she had responsibility that most teenage girls do not. While Farrah was lucky- very, but tends to forget it- that she had her parents helping her- and she took advantage of them and did neglect her daughter and school.
Yes she took it too far with all the clubbing but I felt like Dr. Jenn wasn't aware of that. She just made this blanket judgment implying no one should date when they have a baby. I think that's nonsense. I have no idea where these arbitrary rules came from and I think it results in over simplification.
Like anything with kids, there are appropriate and inappropriate ways to go about having a social life and it doesn't automatically mean neglecting your child. A parent who is present but not emotionally paying attention to their kid isn't much better, like Kate home but on twitter all the time.
Well, apparently Sophia is 'living her own life' now at age 4. Farrah thinks that's healthy. She says that Sophia is very intelligent and more mature than most 4 year olds and knows what she wants. I assume this means her parents have the child. Greta mom. What happened to her career as a chef?
If the show is scripted ( duh) why wouldn't Jon say he didn't want to do the masturbation scene? They could have discussed the same issues about another more palatable, less demeaning topic.Honesty, who would play out this scene willingly when all it does is make you look foolish?
Add to the list Piper Palin. Real nice. She bullied a 10 year old. Who was just innocently standing there. --------------- I second that one. It's definitely one of her worst.
577 sediments (sic) from readers:
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No, it certainly is not. If that is what you want then I would suggest therapy. It's a celebrity blog. We post what we post and sometimes people agree or disagree but please do not come here for "validation." That is not fair to expect of the posters here. This is not RealitytvKids therapy. It's a BLOG. And please do not accuse disagreement with disrespect. Two different things.
Layla said... 154
It is on the Ziggyflo blog. It was dead for a long time, but since the sheple aren't tweeting much, I thought they must be discussing it somewhere. And they are!
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They are, but there sure aren't many of them. Of the 92 comments, 51 were by the Zigster herself, 30 were by 4 other names, and the remaining 11 were by 6 other names. Talk about talking to yourself!
These statistics proudly brought to you by ... Math Girl. I come by my handle honestly!
I agree the pics with the pitbulls were very sweet and I think Liz treats the G kids like her own, but doesn't think a house with 11 kids would be feasible.JMO.
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Maybe so, and it wouldn't be an unreasonable opinion. Eleven kids is a lot. I have no idea whose idea it was to try to get custody, Jon's, Liz's, or both. But knowing Liz, I can see her saying honey, I know you want all the kids but why don't we START with the sextuplets and see if you can get more time with them in the first place and then if you DO get more time, see how it goes? Prove you can maintain a job and maintain a home big enough so they are comfortable. Then we can talk about custody of all of them.
Just a hunch. She seems a bit more rational than Jon at times.
They are, but there sure aren't many of them. Of the 92 comments, 51 were by the Zigster herself, 30 were by 4 other names, and the remaining 11 were by 6 other names. Talk about talking to yourself!
These statistics proudly brought to you by ... Math Girl. I come by my handle honestly!
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LOL. Thanks Math girl. Maybe they should have focused more on creating and maintaining a high quality blog and less on attacking me and others. They wouldn't be talking to themselves today.
IF that's ever me someday here....feel free to say something. :)
I hope she gave her an electric can opener as well. What more would she need?
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18 table spoons.
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8 kids.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 194
I think Andy must be the first journalist to take a stand and say NO I will not have the children on my show NO.
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Lets hops more people follow him say-(the view/today/GMA/Hallmark ect ect..) #teamandy
Admin...IF that's ever me someday here....feel free to say something. :)
I don't think that will ever happen here....this blog has lively and meaninful conversation even when not discussion the Gosselin saga.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 199
I think Andy must be the first journalist to take a stand and say NO I will not have the children on my show NO.
Good for him. I just adore him. Move over Anderson Cooper.
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Pssst. I don't think you're their type
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"IF that's ever me someday here....feel free to say something. :)"
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Don't worry, admin. We'll just keep the Rumspringa flowing, and you won't even know that you're talking to yourself. We'll all be in the same boat.
Meagler, thanks for that great timeline. It could be more helpful to those who need an accurate rundown of the last six months than you realize.....
I see even Hailey Glassman is trying to take a shot at Jon now as well on her Twitter. Oh, the irony of that.
And let's not forget, this is the woman that knowing the danger to babies born as high order multiples, INTENTIONALLY, with no regard to the health of her babies, lied to doctors and her husband in order to create them. (AND SHE IS A NURSE)
She does not even "like" children, that is obviously by watching the show that she aggressively pursued. She was always more concerned about what they looked like, than the emotional health of her children. We all saw it.
And I remember Jon saying that how they disciplined the children was very different. And a point of contention.
And Jon just said recently how Aiden is beginning to talk more....as if the poor boy was silenced by his mother I am sure.
Thanks for the tip about Ziggy's blog. She's busily putting Jon down, then writes: "The ewe factor is running around 200%." I think she means "ew," but for her, I'd say "ewe" works just fine!
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LOL!! That sheeple has never been known for her spelling and grammar skills! Sometimes those mistakes are just so darn funny, and in that case, fits right in with sheep speak.
A reminder.
All The enablersOfKatesExploitationOf8Kids: Are we ALL wrong? ALL of us? Get urhead outa your ass.
(Major credit to Preesi for compilation)
Jodi & Kevin, Judy, kids favorite nanny. Julie, Beth & Bob Carson Kids aunts and uncles, cousins, grandparents (both sides) The 2 hundred Volunteers, The 20+ Nannies that got fired..The private nurse 'Angela' who said publically Kate treated volunteers like shit. Thousands of bloggers.
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The Housekeepers, Kates Dads Church, J&Ks first Church Who remodelled their Dauphin Ave Home.
ALL the Westbrooke neighbors, including the Minister.All the mean store owners that refused to give all 10 people plus the
crew FREEBIES who got their store name blurred out and not mentioned on the show.
All the many bloggers from GWOP, 15 Mins , Jibberjabbers, SmallTownGosselins, RWA, MOON and Cafemom etc
All the MILLIONS of commenters on said blogs from across the world, Kates Dialysis Nurse Mates
The patient Kate worked on in the Clinic, Kates ex fiance, Kates ex BF
Philadelphia Magazine and Jessica Remo, All the FORMER Fans that met Kate in person and said she was rude to
them. All the event cooordinators who said Kate was snobby and entitled and acted unchristian.
The people at the stores and supermarkets that wait on her and say shes mean and nasty. The woman whose car she hit and ran from. All the Churches that spoke out. All the venues Kate pulled out of to get a higher paying asking price.
Christianity Today. Whoopi Goldberg. Johnny Weir. Tony Dovolani. The DWTS people Wendy Williams. Anderson Cooper. Andy who called her a jackhole. The Momlogic show that she fucked up & fired her. Coupon Cabin who fired her. TLC who fired her. Zondervan for cancelling the cookbook. Healthtex for dropping her name from the kids clothing line. Rene Syler. The Today show crew. Sylvia Lafair. Jons Father who warned Jon not to marry her. Dr Lillian Glass (the foremost EXPERT on Body Language in the USA)
All the respected journalists who wrote well researched and written stories about Kate's evil & diva behavior. TLC crew who said she treated everyone like shit. All the respected Psychologists who wrote well researched and written essays. Nina Frye. Paul Peterson and Janet. Alison Ingram. Their father, Jon who she is alienating the kids from. On and on and on.....want more ? .
To those who checked out Piggy's/Ziggy's blog, it's fun to go back and read some of the stuff in the archives. Two years ago, when Kate announced the cruise (remember that fiasco?) they were all wishing the "haters" would just come out and admit that they're all just soooo jealous of Kate for having that cruise. Looking back at the humiliation Kate got out of that one-- I mean really, seeing it announced on every news site that your cruise was cancelled because nobody wants to be around you, ouch!. Or reading their predictions right when K+8 was cancelled that Kate MUST have something big in the works. Or their opinions that TLC didn't fire Kate--it was a mutual decision, that Kate put her foot down and said no more drama. And now she doesn't have a show because she's being choosy about what she'll get involved with. Oh, it's a laugh a minute.
Math Girl said... 2
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They are, but there sure aren't many of them. Of the 92 comments, 51 were by the Zigster herself, 30 were by 4 other names, and the remaining 11 were by 6 other names. Talk about talking to yourself!
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Hahaha! So funny, thanks for the out loud laugh! I'd bet my last dollar that many of those names are socks, either from Zippy or her sheep. If she'd spent some time upgrading that blog - it's so outdated - and was welcoming to other ideas and opinions, it might have stood a chance. Now, it's just another slowly dying fan blog. The one positive thing is that it shows just how wrong the fans were about so so so many things.
Meagler - your timeline is superb! Nice to have you back with us :)
Craziness said... 11
I see even Hailey Glassman is trying to take a shot at Jon now as well on her Twitter. Oh, the irony of that.
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Whenever I see her name, I remember that picture of her falling drunkenly into a tree. Her poor parents.
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@Kateplusmy8 Another story of Kate abusing her children. Pa CPS TAKE NOTE! http://www.hollywoodheartbreaker.com/2010/01/24/another-story-of-kate-gosselin-hitting-her-kids/ …
I don't understand why PA child services should take note of an incident that happened in 2010. Maybe I'm missing something?
Whenever I see her name, I remember that picture of her falling drunkenly into a tree. Her poor parents.
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Yeah -- those who fall into trees have no business pulling another person apart, limb by limb.
Susie Cincinnati said... 13
Thanks for the tip about Ziggy's blog. She's busily putting Jon down, then writes: "The ewe factor is running around 200%." I think she means "ew," but for her, I'd say "ewe" works just fine!
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LOL!! That sheeple has never been known for her spelling and grammar skills! Sometimes those mistakes are just so darn funny, and in that case, fits right in with sheep speak.
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And to think that Zigmeister's blog was the main source of BV's "intel." Gotta laugh.
.....want more ? .
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Her paid twitter bots are turning on her.
She made Kendra cry.
She parked in fire lanes got speeding tickets.
Andy met her 2x and still doesn't like her.
Her last two book bombed badly.
Katie Couric W Andy made her slam on KK.
Inside Edition slammed KK.
Jane Velez-Mitchell and her panel slammed KK.
Her roots look horrible looks like Jason and Ted Gibson stopped doing her or taking her calls.
C&M stood up to their mother not once but twice and on TV. And they wouldn't run dad over with a bus.
ah.....Jon's dad told him not to marry her?? (did'in know that)
Wise old man.
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 22
And to think that Zigmeister's blog was the main source of BV's "intel." Gotta laugh.
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And probably still is. Along with a few of the other blogs that (barely) exist. Boy, did he get taken.
10 never-to-be-forgotten pictures of Kate's "smoking gun, Hailey Glassman:
http://www.celebuzz.com/photos/jon-gosselins-girlfriend-gives-good-facebook/passed-out-in-a-potted-plant-2/
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 26
10 never-to-be-forgotten pictures of Kate's "smoking gun, Hailey Glassman:
http://www.celebuzz.com/photos/jon-gosselins-girlfriend-gives-good-facebook/passed-out-in-a-potted-plant-2/
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Just the kind of girl you want to bring home to the family.
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Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 22
And to think that Zigmeister's blog was the main source of BV's "intel." Gotta laugh.
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And probably still is. Along with a few of the other blogs that (barely) exist. Boy, did he get taken.
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BIG Time!! I think Marie's 5000 word letter of grievances even made him cry like a baby.
weet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 22
And to think that Zigmeister's blog was the main source of BV's "intel." Gotta laugh.
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That was really setting the bar low, wasn't it?
Susie Cincinnati said:
Very true, but I'm not sure exactly what ex-nurse wants from the posters here. An apology for not agreeing with her? Agreeing with her even though they don't? Allowing her criticism of Jon to continue without responding or discussing their own opinions? What are her expectations of the posters here?
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What I see on this blog is that posters are rarely rude or abusive to other posters. We all feel free to voice our opinions and our differences of opinion. It is not disrespectful to disagree, per se.
I think if it's hard to accept that your viewpoint might be in the minority, and if you will repeatedly get your feelings hurt when not enough posters agree with you to your satisfaction, then you might choose to step away from this blog.
However, it is unfair to say that this blog is run by a sort of mob mentality, and that we chase people off who don't agree with the majority rule. I post on any number of online sites, from other blogs, to bulletin boards, to news sites. Of all the places I visit regularly, this blog is one of the most civil, and one that also allows opinions of all kinds.
So I again say - if you are getting your feelings hurt repeatedly here, you may want to examine what it is you are expecting from the rest of us posters. It may not be reasonable.
Sparkle - your childhood story hurt my heart. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Thank goodness for the one teacher, but how sad she retired after the 4th grade. I hope that more people nowadays will intercede on behalf of children, but sadly many still feel uncertain as to the proper protocol and of course, feel they may have no right to interfere. I'm glad you made it through and I wish you every happiness in life :)
I've not read all the comments yet, but am going to comment now.....
This is an interesting discussion about differing opinions on this blog. I don't believe that having a different opinion than a comment means that I'm jumping on to that person...it's is simply stating my disagreement with the comment. There is really no reason to be so offended that someone has a different opinion than you do.
Some of the responses are seen as not respectful by others, but to me they are comments that are simply saying what they are thinking, just not using so-called 'proper' words. This blog has never seemed to me to be one where everyone must walk on eggshells and agonize about their comments in order please everyone. To quote WOS, ''I just don't get it''.
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weet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 22
And to think that Zigmeister's blog was the main source of BV's "intel." Gotta laugh.
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That was really setting the bar low, wasn't it?
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Yep, it was laying on the ground, it was so low.
While I am happy that Jon is seeking custody of the 6 I fear for the mental health of the 2. I am 50 and still suffer from the emotional pain inflicted on me by my mom. She made me my brothers keeper. Only years later did I apologize for the way I treated him. I didn't know better. As for the disrespect towards my father she taught me it mirrors Kate's. She would even drive me to his girlfriends house so I could see his car and her the vile names she called both him and her. Like many school was my refuge.
I know there are some posters here who are very anti-Jon. Most of us are ambiguous about him. I was pretty ticked off at him a couple weeks ago and I said so. He is no saint, and I don't think there is anyone here who thinks he is. He has made some stupid mistakes. He has made bad choices. He has said some things that make us all want to tell him to shut up. But I think we can all agree that he is the best chance these kids have for a normal life. Kate sees them as commodities--objects to be sold for whatever money she can get out of them. Jon is against pimping out the kids for money. Kate is abusive. Jon is not.
It would be nice if there was one person in this mess who is without flaws, who hasn't made an a@@ of him/herself way too many times, and who can step in and be everything the G kids need in a parent. But there's not. There's just Jon and Kate.
We tend to root for Jon because we are rooting for the kids. We want them to live without exploitation and abuse. Their best chance for that is Jon. If he can make good choices, that benefits the kids. We are hopeful for him because if he can pull himself together, then the kids win. Kate will never change--we know that by now. There's no hope for her. But there is for Jon.
On twitter, I saw a link to an article on Renee Syler's Good Enough Mother blog. The title of the article is "The GEM Debate: Kate Gosselin: Narcissism Or Setting The Record Straight?". It was written after the twins and Kate appeared on Today. It was not written by Renee but it had a lot of valid points. An excerpt:
"Here’s a news flash for Kate: Just because magazines and TV shows want to interview you and your kids doesn’t mean you have to do it! No matter what they tell you when they call, the media doesn’t care about you or your wonderful children. They care about grabbing the public’s attention. You probably made a little money and you might make a little more when all is said and done. It’s completely understandable that you’d want to. After all, you’re raising a small army. But what is it costing your children? It’s okay if you choose not to allow a nation of strangers to ogle your children, especially if it means that they will reach adulthood relatively unscathed. No matter how much you insist that the kids are all right, it’s hard to believe. I’m sure you love and care for your children, but right now all we can see is how much Kate cares about Kate."
http://www.goodenoughmother.com/2014/01/gem-debate-kate-gosselin-narcissism-setting-record-straight-poll-video/
Renee Syler is another one to add to the list of those who have met Kate and who obviously didn't like her.
When I started reading A Tweetie's list of people who didn't know how to help Kate, I started thinking "Johnny Weir, Johnny Weir, Johnny Weir".
Tweetie did include him in her list, and I was reminded that he has a new gig - figure skating commentator for a major US network. He and Tara Lipinski will be doing the Olympics.
I saw/heard their coverage of the European Figure Skating championships, and they were really good. Often in figure skating coverage there is one commentator who makes remarks like "and he goes down", and I just want to leap through the screen and strangle them. Yes, we saw it, now shut up and let us enjoy the skating. At Europeans, the commentary was just right, informative but not obtrusive. The commentators were never shown, and I didn't recognize Johnny Weir's voice, so I looked up who it was.
So kudos to Johnny Weir. I may have to watch some Olympic coverage on a US network, if we Canadians get Rod Black the vacuous blatherer.
Funny, but I recall many a post from you accusing Kate of stealing from church ladies. They didn't have to give money either, but you sure as hell made a deal out of that. The usual hypocrisy many of us have come to expect...
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You're missing the point of why people were ticked at Kate for taking church ladies' money. The point was not begging for money. The point was that Kate begged for money while at the same time being very wealthy. Signing multi thousands and pushing millions contracts (Lane furniture, TLC), closing on a million dollar house, and the like. The point was the FRAUD, misrepresenting their situation. And Jon was part of it to for that matter.
At the time this sheeple person accused ME of begging, I don't think I had more than 100 bucks in savings and was living paycheck to paycheck. Had I asked for money, which I did not, there would be nothing hypocritical about it, as I was not secretly signing multi million dollar contracts at the same time. And I would have happily disclosed my complete financial picture if anyone had asked, I am not uptight about that stuff. There would be nothing fraudulent whatsoever about me saying I'm really hard up for cash care to donate? That would be the TRUTH. This is all a moot point anyway since it was a flat out lie I ever did that.
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I agree.
Kindness isn't difficult.
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I guess it is for ex Nurse. Her posts repeatedly insult and take to task the people here, and I for one am sick and tired of it. No one else here talks that way other than drive bys.
A Tweetie said... 14
A reminder.
All The enablersOfKatesExploitationOf8Kids: Are we ALL wrong? ALL of us? Get urhead outa your ass.
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Me, who say them grift for $$ from my friend's church in the summer of 2008.
My sister's friend who stayed next to them in OBX when they first went, and she came back to report what a bitch K8 was.
I have gotten jumped on for speaking my mind about Jon and Kate, and it usually doesn't bother me. The ones that bother me are the ones who can't stick with the facts so resort to either name calling or calling out your spelling errors! LOL.
Milo hasn't been on twitter for 2 days and KK hasn't been on for three days...
Maybe Milo finally took her queen on vacation.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 37
Funny, but I recall many a post from you accusing Kate of stealing from church ladies. They didn't have to give money either, but you sure as hell made a deal out of that. The usual hypocrisy many of us have come to expect...
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You're missing the point of why people were ticked at Kate for taking church ladies' money. The point was not begging for money. The point was that Kate begged for money while at the same time being very wealthy.
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Absolutely! I saw this for myself! My friend invited me to a talk in the summer of 2008. I remember because my daughter was gone for the summer with my dad. My friend dragged me there. At the time I was pretty neutral on the show. Anyway, when they got to the plate passin my friend was going to donate. I told her she was crazy, they just got back from Hawaii ( I had no idea about the house). She said "but it's for the kids college (which is what was touted).
The interesting thing is at this point Jon said NOTHING during the talk. Kate explained that she was better at talking. I think he just had guilt.
Was EM Tanner on that list? If not, she should be. She did a lot for that family and it seemed never to be enough, and then she got dragged into a pissing match on Twitter.
I stopped being a fan of Kate when I saw her lying on the today show with her purse full of bills.
I found out how much the Gosselins were worth and thought Hmm KG is and f-ing liar and she thinks America is stupid.
Then I found his blog by accident I first got here I was called a sheep by someone lol.
So very tired of hearing people bitch about Jon being on CT. For what ever reason he picked this one to be on. The kid's are not on it....the kid's are not being forced on shows to promote it...the kid's are NOT the draw or focus of the show. OMG the kid's might see it one day...So what.
He might talk about TFW....duuhhhh....past relationships affect current relationships.
What you won't hear from him on this show or any other show is how much he resents his kids for taking his time and or his money.
Jon got a job without using the kids. Jon is speaking out and is finally being seen for more than just a dead beat douche bag. When you had the world seeing you as a piece of shit and being the butt of a million jokes...then you might have the right to feel like he does. How it finally feels to be validated.
When TFW gets a gig on HER own...so be it. As long as she's still trying to sell the kid's and putting her needs and wants before them...I will call her out for the piece of shit that she is.
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Excellent post! I agree 100%. You always say what I want to say but you say it much better.
Jon got a job without using the kids._______________________
I disagree. Jon wouldn't even be on CT if he hadn't had 8 kids.
Is exnurse now 'she who should not be named'? LOL
Greedy Gosselins said... 48
Jon got a job without using the kids._______________________
I disagree. Jon wouldn't even be on CT if he hadn't had 8 kids.
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I think what that statement means is, Jon didn't parade the kids in front of TV cameras, use them in cookbooks or a blog continually, tweet that he does everything for his kids, post pictures of his kids constantly, appear with the kids on national TV with scripted lines for them to say and embarrass the bejezus out of them.....
Get the picture? :)
Ok, Tweet-le, I see your point. Still...we wouldn't know who Jon was if he hadn't had all those kids.
To be a fly on the wall in Kate's house the last few days...
Also, I didn't mean to dis exnurse. I respect her opinion.
A fly on the wall in Kate's house these past few days probably met it's fate at the end of a wooden spoon. Kids, or most kids, are with Jon, so she has no need to tweet. Tweeting is her distraction from being a mother. After her shenanigans of the recent past, it is entirely possible that ALL the kids are with their father (alienation your honor? I have no idea what you mean), so she's 5 sheets into the bedroom wine collection. POS.
Was EM Tanner on that list? If not, she should be. She did a lot for that family and it seemed never to be enough, and then she got dragged into a pissing match on Twitter.
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Didn't that guy who saw her at the Red Cross event also get into some kind of a pi$$ing match with her? What was that all about? She's alienated herself from so many people that I forget what those matches were all about!
I guess it is for ex Nurse. Her posts repeatedly insult and take to task the people here, and I for one am sick and tired of it. No one else here talks that way other than drive bys.
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I think the thing is that most posters here are respectful of other people's opinions and know how to use their words in a way that they can disagree without insults; they've said what's on their minds, and then go on to another discussion.
However, when you give someone multiple warnings, but it continues like it went in one ear and out the other, then it starts to wear thin after awhile and you just wonder why someone can't move on.
Didn't that guy who saw her at the Red Cross event also get into some kind of a pi$$ing match with her? What was that all about? She's alienated herself from so many people that I forget what those matches were all about!
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Don't forget the Red-cross it self they no-like KK sexy bare foot wrapped in their blanket photo.
Also don't forget Ashley being sick of KK dramatics. An the river rafting guy.
Well, I found this blog a few years ago when I googled "Kate Gosselin is a bitch". LOL!
As hard as I try to understand the sheeple, I just can't. I watched the show in the beginning, mostly because my oldest was around the same age as the 6, so it piqued my interest.
The major shopping spree at the discount store was captivating at the time, but I remember thinking one thing: why the hell are they having a nap for 3 to 4 hours a day?? And then going to sleep so early? And sleeping so late?
Sheeple, that among many other things, is what prompted me to investigate what the hell was going on. Not because I was jealous, or wished I had a reality show, but I really wanted to know if I was the crazy one that couldn't get my 2 year old to nap for longer than 45 minutes, or have a spotless house, or sleep more than 8 hours.
I don't comment much, but I have read practically daily for years.
Love it here!
To refresh your memory about the Red Cross Gala controversy: http://www.phillychitchat.com/2012/03/kate-gosselin-good-bad-and-ugly.html
Greedy Gosslins #48
The Gosselins would not be world known if they didn't have 8 kids...yes 1 set of twins then a 6 pack more. We get this. BUT they are here and have been here for the last what 7 years?
Get the hell over it! Yes the kids got them the fame they were/wanting hoping for. The Jon and kate +8 or kate +8 is long gone.
They both are looking for easy money still.
The difference is...Jon is NOT using the kids to get it. YES no one would know who he was without the kids,but like I said....thats done and over with.
Every time TFW gets on a show is due to the kids...they are the main topic...So Jon finally got on a show...he's not using the kids to get it SO what is your problem????
Sparkle...thanks for sharing your story. I know it wasn't easy but it's hard not to scream it out when we know exactly how the Gosselin children feel and what their futures hold because we were through our own versions of it. It's such a terrible feeling to know, as children, we weren't protected by our parents. It's very hard to trust people even decades later. Best of luck to you.
Let's add Brad the skyjump attendant, Steve Thomas from "This old house" ( she was very rude to him) Sarah Palin, and last but not least the radio guy Carlos.
Alberta Girl said... 56
The major shopping spree at the discount store was captivating at the time, but I remember thinking one thing: why the hell are they having a nap for 3 to 4 hours a day?? And then going to sleep so early? And sleeping so late?
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I think that major shopping spree was the first big freebie Kate and Jon were handed and that's when the lightbulbs went off in Kate's head. If we can score this many free groceries from putting the kids out there for one special, think what we can get if we keep putting them out there. And the rest is history.
And I don't believe for one minute those babies were sleeping that long. They were just in lockdown until mommie dearest got her 'me' time out of the way. Kate has never really wanted to be around them, except if they can make money for her.
If this "Growing Up Gosselin" thing with the twins doesn't pan out, Jon better get a bigger house.
So Jon finally got on a show...he's not using the kids to get it SO what is your problem????
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To whom are you speaking? Who is "you?"
Kellee Hilton said... 60
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Got a huge kick out of you comment. Why'd you remove it?
The Hailey and The Potted Plant is definitely one of my faves. If I think I've said or done something stupid, I just look up that pic and I instantly feel better.
http://www.phillychitchat.com/2012/03/kate-gosselin-good-bad-and-ugly.html
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Thanks, PJ's...it's all coming back to me now! One question. With all of Kate's money, wouldn't you think she could afford a pair of shoes that fit?
Let's not forget Emeril.
Wow, what a Saturday night!
Maybe that list of folks who have stated their opinion of Kreider should be sent to BV. LOL!
BTW, there seems to be a lot of Rule #4 violatin' goin' on here tonight. Just sayin'... ;>)
PJ
Let's add Brad the skyjump attendant, Steve Thomas from "This old house" ( she was very rude to him) Sarah Palin, and last but not least the radio guy Carlos.
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Gosh, that's quite a list. Remember, though, that Milo claims that everyone who meets Kate just loves her. She walks on water. The sun rises and sets on her. Kate, not Milo! :-)
Don't forget the lovely train conductor giving the Gosselin's history of the train car they were in. Kate was bored and disrespected the man.
What about the crew that put in the free solar panel into McMansion. That one talked back, how refreshing.
And the guy who cooked at their home? She hit with a kitchen utensil.
...he's not using the kids to get it SO what is your problem????
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Well that response totally fosters a mature discussion. As I like to remain somewhat polite, I don't think I'll answer this time. ;)
I'll take exnurse's posts any day over yours Starsz. You sound like fun IRL. LOL
Wasn't Kate also dismissive of one of her fan's who posted the sign contest on her blog? Kate told her it was only for HER twitter followers or something? In any case, she was rude to her.
Starz22, why so hostile?
Layla 34 ...Here here!!
I just scroll by the conversations I dont want to be in. We dont get Couples Therapy up here in The Great White North, so I am not really getting into the conversation too much.
Jon aint lily white that is for sure, but he is the best chance those kids have for a typical childhood. ( pls note I did NOT say normal!)
I was just wasting some time with that time line, wasnt even sure how good, or interesting it would be for others, glad you enjoyed it, and if it helps someone out, then I am really glad I did it.
Just back from the movie Gravity...uhhh...what can I say about it??? uhhh, I like Sandra Bullock with short hair.
Kate's off Twitter and so is Milo. I dont know what the connection there is, but there is one, I am positive. When kate does come back..Ta Daaaaaa there will be Milo!!!
Have a great night everyone!
Kate will always only be known as the woman with 8 kids. Any potential future tv jobs would have to promote her that way. However, it seems to me that Jon is really now better known for being the guy that used to be married to the horrible woman with 8 kids. IMO CT's viewing audience isn't the demographic who would be interested at all in the kids. However, hearing Jon spill dirt on the ex-from-hell would be interesting. Guessing that's why he was recruited for the show.
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Wow!! What a comprehensive list. Add on the Palin family camping episode where things got so bad, TLC reps had to come to Alaska; Jamie and Ashley- Camping trip which made it crystal clear that the "friends" were hired help, as noted by WOS, which led to Ashley leaving; consigning clothes that were freebees (no shame); and her recent faux paux of using the twins to speak for her about their father on national tv............
The list goes on and on but with recent lawsuit against Jon and Robert, which was dismissed, and then trying to get the twins to speak out against their father went way too far. WOS clearly miscalculated this ploy.. badly.
You would think that anyone who has this many serious failures in her life, might step back and think what am I doing wrong?
But WOS has the attitude that everyone else is the problem, jealous, wrong, etc.. so she will never take the steps to evaluate herself and her ridiculous choices. Narcissism is a bi$%h!
Can't imagine what the kids go through on a day to day basis, but C & M clearly are "managing" her as she makes more demands on them. I hope the six follow suit, especially Colin, and that they get to spend more time with their father, as they have paid a huge price with having their childhood sold out from under them.
Jon does need to step up to the plate and find a job that will allow for his kids to do normal events - gymnastics, baseball, scouts, etc...and be there for these events to show support. WOS will never do this because it will ruin her "schedule." The tups have more than earned their right to have a somewhat normal childhood. And both parents should make that happen. These kids are not "characters," rather normal human beings that should have interests outside of the "clan mentality." I don't think WOS will ever get it. Ever. It's all about her convenience.
With all the speculation that goes around, it's often difficult to tell a fact from someone's brain fart, so I'll ask...
Has anyone else read that J&K have the same judge for all family court matters?
Sparkle (love your name:)
Yours is a sad story , but with a great ending. You sound like a very healthy, articulate contributing "survivor". Proof positive that nightmare childhoods don't all have to end tragically. You came through!! Inspiring. At least the G8 have ONE parent who IS NOT using and abusing them, there's hope for them yet. Those of us who had TWO abusing parents, WE survived and REFUSE to continue the cycle.
Ex-Nurse, I don't know what you posted that has got some people here all ruffled, again :) has it been deleted?
I find that you hold Jon up to a higher standard than you do yourself. You admit to being married to an alcoholic abusive narcissist. I can't for the life of me understand why you expect so much from him and dissect his every move. I sense a bit of projection (therapy lingo:) there, almost like the faults you find in him you feel are YOUR faults . no disrespect. I just wonder if you've asked yourself why there is an overwhelming majority of us here that you can't seem to sway? Sometimes you have to ask yourself "Is it me?"
This has happened before: Kate goes off Twitter and Milo goes off Twitter at the same time. Milo exists to respond to Kate's tweets (obviously has a tweet alert signaling the queen has tweeted). Or maybe there is silence because there is masterminding underway.
Too bad neither of them took the money they earned to get advanced degrees that would help them get good paying jobs to support their kids. Jon could have gotten a BS and MBA and Kate a BSN and even CRNP. They had enough to live on AND pay for school.
Layla said: We tend to root for Jon because we are rooting for the kids. We want them to live without exploitation and abuse. Their best chance for that is Jon. If he can make good choices, that benefits the kids. We are hopeful for him because if he can pull himself together, then the kids win.
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Exactly. that's it in a nutshell.I think Jon has plenty of issues but cares for the welfare of his kids. Yes, he's made and is making mistakes, but he has obviously always been the better and more loving parent. His biggest error was marrying Kate and agreeing to and enabling her multiple baby scheme.I hope it works out for him and at least some of the kids.
May I add to the list of FOK's? (Friends Of Kate) I think we've left off the dog breeder. Remember TFW saying something like, he was talking, and I was just hearing blah blah blah. She admitted she wasn't listening or paying attention. And I thought, wow, how haughty and obnoxious to admit that she behaved that way with another adult.
Is absolutely everyone beneath her, except for the View Girls and someone from whom she can grift a freebie?
Speaking of the View, I think TFW's latest on-air escapades with her daughters finally pulled that "chair of my dreams" right out from under her.
When your father is on another reality show talking about all the women he has gone to bed with and his current ex girlfriend also talks about all the men she slept with during their separations (she said I only slept with him twice) what would I think if I was 13? I would be humiliated. If my father could only complain about my mother and blame her for his laziness,. Blame my mother for his feelings of a lack of confidence, I would not want to visit with my father. I would run the other way to get away from him and this woman he is on TV with. 13 yr old girls do not want to know what their parents do sexually. No they do not. Nor does a preteen want to hear their father defending himself about being "found" masturbating while this woman call him a Pus*y over and over. Why is this woman saying "man up you P"............why did he do what he did on camera? It was obvious he was in that bed and the blankets were moving, no mistaking that. The camera even showed him pulling his pjs down. So I think Jon should just admit that most of his anger is not at Kate but with the fact that he made so many adolescent decisions many, many times. Jon has been following other women for years. When he thought he was in demand as the Gosselin Father,he was receiving fan mail via Twitter, e mails, US Mail and it went to his head. If he father told him not to marry it was because he was not a mature man at that time. Remember the film footage of them on their real honeymoon, J & K,? They were happy newlyweds. But Jon was never cut out to be a person with responsibilities and his father saw that.
Add to the list Piper Palin.
Real nice. She bullied a 10 year old. Who was just innocently standing there.
Has anyone else read that J&K have the same judge for all family court matters?
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I thought that was the case also, that for some reason the Gosselins were assigned a particular judge. Although maybe that was for the divorce stuff?
Is the latest stuff family court? And not a violation of divorce settlement stuff?
But Jon was never cut out to be a person with responsibilities and his father saw that.
LOL.....another sheeple has found its way out of the pen....
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Jon has totally responsible for those kids even as he was holding down a full time job and after when Kate went on her world-wide, I'm such a great Mom tour with a man who was not her husband. Sheesh...
I think she has been treating the twins like golden children for a very long time. A lot of little clues along the way, this from 2011:
"This year, due to schedule and the unexpected Halloween blizzard, only Mady and Cara got to go Trick or Treating."
What? What does a blizzard have to do with anything? Everyone local says it was over by Halloween and everyone could go out. And if the blizzard was a problem why doesn't that mean ALL kids didn't go instead of just some of them?
For those who can't get Couples Therapy I'm not sure if this will work bu the full episode is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muosRPJBqdM
Terrific list, a Tweetie!
May I add the woman who drove many miles to pick Kate up for an ice skating appearance, but Kate would only go in a limo.
I would hazard a guess that while all her children love her, several don't like her very much. And I think it goes far beyond "You make me eat too many vegetables and spoil all my fun when I want to shave my sister's head." I'm talking about not liking HER.
Why are some assuming that the twins are watching their father on Couple's Therapy? I highly doubt that they are.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 84
I think she has been treating the twins like golden children for a very long time. A lot of little clues along the way, this from 2011:
"This year, due to schedule and the unexpected Halloween blizzard, only Mady and Cara got to go Trick or Treating."
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Let's not forget, that Kate also appeared on the View on Halloween 2011. She was in NYC that morning, and apparently the kids going trick or treating was the least of her priorities. It had nothing to do with the "blizzard". It had more to with her "schedule".
Wait wait Kate did give the kids old discount candy hunt in the basement and took photos of it & put it on twitter...
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But Kate controls every thing the girls see and hear.
I certainly hope, if Jon can get WOS back in court, that a Psych evaluation is required of her. Maybe a drug screen also. It is well documented that she drinks.
Maybe they should both have a Psych evaluation and drug screen.
The things I am reading about these kids are their parents makes me believe they are victims of an alcoholic parent.
I don't have any personal experience as a child of an alcoholic but I did work for a Psych Clinic that dealt with substance abuse. Saw a lot of kids come in for family therapy and their body language was exactly like what we saw on Today and The View.
Mady is Kate's keeper and Cara shields the little kids from Kate's abuse. Just my observation.
Perhaps Milo and Kate have been communicatin' in those other ways the past couple of days...which would be a blessing for the rest of us.
Mel, as far as I'm aware, any violations of divorce-related matters falls under the auspices of Family Court.
Angie, please share how you know what Jon's father saw about Jon. Have I missed something?
Maybe TFW is closeting the twins in her bedroom with her to avoid their watching of CT. But they could easily watch it online or sneak downstairs like Mady did for Kendra's The Girls Next Door. If their father was on television and possibly their friends watch it, I bet they would want to see what Jon or Liz was saying...or possibly Kate wants them to watch and to point out the negatives to them, to further their alienation. After all, she made the tups watch their sisters trash them on The View. We just don't know.
Maybe Milo, Kate and the rest of sheeple are off concoting their next tale for ROL...I mean the last one was so laughingly bad that no other outlets picked up the story that I was able to find.
Is thiis the new narrative? It's Jon's fault because his Dad told him not to marry Kate. Oh, lordy, as my late grandmother used to say.
Grandee, Jon is also a drinker, so I don't know how useful Kate's alleged drinking would be in helping Jon make his case.
And in this mess, I'm definitely pulling for Jon. Always have been.
If Kate wants to have these teenagers then it's really her responsibility to make sure they don't see Couples Therapy or at least make reasonable efforts to try to prevent them from seeing it, at least make it hard for them. She could block VH1 from her channel lineup, almost all cable providers allow parental controls. She could sit right with them when they are on the internet, as Jon does. She could block Youtube from the internet. She could get them a simple flip phone that could dial mom, dad and 911, instead of a 450 dollar smartphone that can look up things like Couples Therapy on Youtube. She wants these teens, then she's going to have to do the work.
The things I am reading about these kids are their parents makes me believe they are victims of an alcoholic parent.
I don't have any personal experience as a child of an alcoholic
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I do my father has been a abusive absent alcoholic since I and my brother were children he was very abusive towards my mom and us as toddlers.
23yrs later my father refuse to get help or help my brother who had a brief drinking problems.
What really pissed me off about my father was one night my brother called him in tears asking for help and my father basically told him that he was a grown men and to take reason-ability for being a drunk.
The post at 80 is the second one that's this Angie has done that sounds like "oh yes she did". I think she even used the term "oh yes she, they, he, did/do" in the other one. JMO of course.
Grandee, Jon is also a drinker, so I don't know how useful Kate's alleged drinking would be in helping Jon make his case.
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The court does not care if parents drink. The court doesn't even care if parents abuse alcohol. What the court cares about is if you are abusing alcohol, are you putting your kids at risk? For instance are you passed out on the couch unable to care for them? Are you drinking so much that you're not working and making money to raise them? There was even a recent case in CA about a father driving drunk with his kids in the car and I think hit a light post, that was DISMISSED on appeal because they said it was a one-time mistake and was not ever likely to happen again (Dad was remorseful, checked himself into rehab and did well, didn't have a long history of drinking to excess, etc).
In CA you usually get the same judge. The idea is the judge gets to know the family. But in practice it can be bad because some judges don't like to change their minds or change original orders, they see it as admitting they were wrong before. They can get entrenched in only one way to see the case and won't change no matter what the other parent does to reform. Sometimes there are opportunities to petition for a new judge but it's rare. I thought though I remember someone saying that in PA when you petition for a modification it goes to some other panel? Which would mean a different judge.
Why are some assuming that the twins are watching their father on Couple's Therapy? I highly doubt that they are.
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Since TFW treats the twins like her BFF's instead of daughters, I would bet that she sits right there and watches it with them and discusses how horrible Jon and Liz are. And I am only basing this on what I have see her do with the twins on the morning talk shows.
Marie
I am guessing CT is pre taped, so is Jon home? Does anyone think he got an order to have ALL the kids this weekend, thus Kate's silence? I do hope he gets a chance to see the twins and Collin.
I am guessing CT is pre taped, so is Jon home? Does anyone think he got an order to have ALL the kids this weekend, thus Kate's silence? I do hope he gets a chance to see the twins and Collin.
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Yes it was filmed way back in October and he did mention the other week he would have the kids this weekend and said he would be giving the twins a hug and asking how their day is (I assume he meant when he picked up the Tups he would see them and do that).
What I'm guessing may very well happened is that Jon's what I believe to be calculated announcement that he's going to take Kate to court over this shook her up, she freaked and said okay fine fine here's the kids this weekend happy?
Kate's M.O. is to push and push and push until somebody actually CALLS HER on it and pushes back. Then she caves faster than you can say lickity split. She really is quite a coward. If it's so bad at Jon's why cave (if that's what she did)? Same with the lawsuit, if you are so adamant this happened why drop it? I'd actually respect her more if she stuck to her guns. If you believe something, see it through. Don't play games seeing if someone will call you on your crap and holding out unless they do. That's sick, childish, sociopathic behavior.
Well, I found this blog a few years ago when I googled "Kate Gosselin is a bitch". LOL!
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LOL . . . Same here!
Marie
Angie, please share how you know what Jon's father saw about Jon. Have I missed something?
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I was wondering this, also. I'm a local, and I never heard any scuttlebutt that something was amiss between Jon and his father, nor that his father had doubts about Jon's maturity. Jon wasn't a responsible person? In what universe? Apparently this person never watched the episodes.
"I would not want to visit with my father. I would run the other way to get away from him and this woman he is on TV with. 13 yr old girls do not want to know what their parents do sexually. No they do not."
Well, well, well..this sounds so much like the "oh, yes she does" person. Same writing style, same thoughts, same everything! I wondered what happened to her! I've noticed this before but didn't say anything.
"When he thought he was in demand as the Gosselin Father,he was receiving fan mail via Twitter, e mails, US Mail and it went to his head."
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Then why did he close his Twitter account? US mail? I'm not so sure very many people use snail mail anymore, especially when they don't have an address. Jon kept his residence private.
Let's see. Milo's missing. Kate is missing. Hasn't this been the story all along? Milo said she wanted to pack them up and take a vacation. Maybe she wasn't kidding!
Let's see. Milo's missing. Kate is missing.
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I'm just glad I'm not missing too or then the conspiracy theories really would fly!
FlimsyFlamsy (79)
I don't think the "chair of her dreams" has ever been even a remote possibility. Wasn't it in the Sept. People interview where she said that "Something like The Talk would be ideal"? Why The Talk, which films in CA, and not The View, which films in NYC? Has she ever even been on The Talk before? I think she knew for certain that The View did not want her--ever---as a host, so she threw out The Talk because she thought maybe that could be a possibility. Of course, The Talk doesn't want her. I've heard that Sharon Osbourne despises Kate.
So, now what? The cookbook bombed, her lawsuit failed, and she pretty much killed off any possibility of ever using the kids to work on TV and support her. Blogging failed, running failed, her cruise failed, nobody wants her for any public speaking engagements, and no companies want her to promote their products. No talk show or dating show or travel show or fitness show has dropped into her lap, and People Magazine (everyone there but Kate Coyne) has to be cringing at the thought that this whole fiasco with the twins started with them.
She is holed up with Steve, trying to figure out how to spin all this. The twins' TV fiasco and Jon filing for custody, all within a week, has to have her enraged. She is getting nothing but bad press, the InTouch covers are in every checkout line, calling her out for being a bad mom, all her precious talk shows have come out against her. Andy Cohen and Chelsea Handler are making fun of her, and all she can do is tweet a picture of Zorro in Leah's hair.
Just last September she said that people are dying for her to fail, and they'll just have to keep waiting. Oh, no, Kate, we've been watching you fail over and over and over again for a very long time.
What's a fame whore to do now?
Being a child of a drunk isn't fun my father is one. I'm just glad that my mother got away from him.
I wouldn't put it pass Kate to let the twins watch Jon on is own interview. I bet she used that to "turn" the girls against dad.
Ex-Nurse, I don't know what you posted that has got some people here all ruffled, again :) has it been deleted?
I find that you hold Jon up to a higher standard than you do yourself. You admit to being married to an alcoholic abusive narcissist. I can't for the life of me understand why you expect so much from him and dissect his every move. I sense a bit of projection (therapy lingo:) there, almost like the faults you find in him you feel are YOUR faults . no disrespect. I just wonder if you've asked yourself why there is an overwhelming majority of us here that you can't seem to sway? Sometimes you have to ask yourself "Is it me?"
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I must have missed the post, too, but it seems like she wants validation/agreement on her comments about Jon. I've made many posts to which nobody responded. I don't expect a response. Posters here have no obligation to comment if the spirit doesn't move them. That doesn't mean, however, that because a post holds a minority opinion that it's not respected. Nobody is out to "get" ex-nurse, and I think that's the problem here. She's been very defensive, expecting that her opinion needs a comment that agrees with her own views. I hope she isn't offended by anything said here because as someone pointed out, posters don't walk on eggshells...but they are, for the most part, respectful about differing opinions.
Oh shoot, Milo is probably just so flummoxed about TFW"s fall from grace that she's sittin' in the corner somewhere scratchin'' her balls.
Marie
...he did mention the other week he would have the kids this weekend and said he would be giving the twins a hug and asking how their day is (I assume he meant when he picked up the Tups he would see them and do that).
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Oh...I took it to mean if he had a chance after the flop on the Today Show, to show he loves them regardless of their 'performance' unlike Kate who said they embarrassed her. I didn't take it to mean they would agree to visit him. There's something very fishy about their rejection of him. I think it's a combo of TFW's brainwashing, their age, and interests, and maybe Liz- was there a mention if they had a good relationship with her? I know she is rooting for them.
Just visited the Grand Canyon yesterday for the first time! It was awe inspiring! No pictures can do it justice. For TFW to call it a WOS just confirms her shallow existence.
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Is there anything Jon could do this weekend with all the kids present to boost his case for custody? Could he introduce them to a therapist, for example? Could his attorney speak to them off the record? If he discovered abuse, say with Collin, could he refuse to return them to Kate?
TLC Stinks (97)
If Jon has all the kids, then that would explain Kate's silence. She really has nothing o talk about except the kids. Nothing.
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I'm just glad I'm not missing too or then the conspiracy theories really would fly!
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An, but you were missing at one time when TFW and Milo were both missing and it was mentioned sooooooooo, you've learned from that and are only posting here to keep the suspicion off of you.
How's that for a conspiracy theory!
If Jon has all the kids, then that would explain Kate's silence. She really has nothing o talk about except the kids. Nothing.
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Not only that, it's a distraction for her and it's her "script" of how she wants her household to be portrayed. When the kids are with her, she does not want to bother with them or have to engage.
And you can bet if they dare interrupt her twitter fingers, there will be hell to pay. Remember the whistle
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But Jon was never cut out to be a person with responsibilities and his father saw that.
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I agree Jon seems to have been a young man who was spoiled by his dad and got to live a footloose and carefree life longer than most. And I would also agree that he got thrust into the role of "father of 8" pretty quickly and probably before he was ready and mature enough to handle it. But like many people who've had life unexpectedly demand things of them, he did the best he could. Did you watch the show? Do you remember how Jon did the lion's share of caring for the children when he was at home, and this usually after working a full day outside the home? He stepped up and handled his responsibilities, and shouldered most of his wife's as well.
Do you remember how he would fix TFW's coffee in the morning, go to work (commute), work all day, then come home and be told "they are all yours!" by his lazy wife? Do you then remember how he didn't say, "hey, that's your job not mine!" and go lay on the couch and ignore the kids? Remember how he didn't do that? Perhaps you might also recall how he would give the youngest six their baths, wash their hair, comb out the girls' hair, help them brush their teeth, get them tucked into bed each night? That doesn't sound irresponsible to me.
Do you remember how he and Kevin helped make a bedroom for the older two girls? Remember how he was the parent who picked up his sick son off the laundry room floor and placed him lovingly in his own bed and cared for him? That doesn't sound irresponsible to me.
Jon is flawed. But I have never doubted his love for his children, and when he is with them, he is happy and they are happy. In a way, his childlike joy in life is a benefit, because he would happily participate in bike riding, skate boarding, skiing, ice skating, and even dress up with the kids. That's called being an active, involved parent - and it's the responsible thing to do.
I think when all the children are grown and have had a chance to lead adult lives, see normal parental relationship, and hopefully heal somewhat from their childhoods - they will realize that there was one parent who gave them unconditional love and did his best.
Marie "
Just visited the Grand Canyon yesterday for the first time! It was awe inspiring! No pictures can do it justice. For TFW to call it a WOS just confirms her shallow existence."
Is it snow covered?
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Kate's M.O. is to push and push and push until somebody actually CALLS HER on it and pushes back. Then she caves faster than you can say lickity split. She really is quite a coward.
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And this is a typical bully M.O. Push, intimidate, and walk all over people until someone has the nerve to push back. Then turn and look for an easier victim. I have run into a couple in my working life and if you stand your ground, they always back down. That's why I hope Jon is continuing with counseling and learning how to keep standing up to Kate. (I think from recent events that this is likely.)
Just visited the Grand Canyon yesterday for the first time! It was awe inspiring! No pictures can do it justice. For TFW to call it a WOS just confirms her shallow existence.
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I am so jealous, would love to see it
There are many times when I return to this blog after a day and there have been so many comments made between the last time I was here and the present time, that I can't read them all, much less respond. I skim through posts and if there is one that particularly catches my eye, I will respond. Then it's back to skimming quickly to catch up.
Sometimes a poster will respond to one of my comments, and that's nice. But if no one responds, I don't think it's personal. I figure everyone is busy with their lives, and might be like me - stopping by for 20 minutes to catch up, offer a few comments, and then off again.
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Thanks for the YouTube link, I also don't get VH1 here in Canada. At first glimpse, Liz seems to be a rough girl who looks awkward and nervous in this staged environment. There is no doubt there is scripting and story lines being given to these participants. Her attire played no part in my observation of her.
The masturbation seemed like a set-up to me, based in complete fiction to create and continue the "trust issue" storyline that the show has determined they need to develop for the public consumption of this particular couple.
I do not see these two as a match. Jon needs time to sort out his issues on his own before he can engage in a healthy relationship with Liz or anyone else. He is indeed needy, Liz knows it and resents him for it. It's time for Jon is discover who he is and that would best be achieved on his own.
I would have been far more embarrassed for Jon if I thought any of this nonsense had not been scripted. Integrity seems to go out the window on these so-called reality shows. Jon needs the money and followed the script he was given, at least that is what I saw. If it puts him I a financial position to get custody of his children, then so be it, but I still believe he needs to stand alone while doing it.
"Maybe Milo, Kate and the rest of sheeple are off concoting their next tale for ROL...I mean the last one was so laughingly bad that no other outlets picked up the story that I was able to find."
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Is that the one with Milo's hand print all over it...after she tweeted the ghost writer that she wanted to dish out the dirt on Jon, but didn't want to blab it on Twitter? I can't keep up with the stuff ROL puts out.
"Is thiis the new narrative? It's Jon's fault because his Dad told him not to marry Kate. Oh, lordy, as my late grandmother used to say."
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LOL! I certainly hope not! That's really stretching it. Of course, you could say that it's all Jon's mother's fault because she gave birth to Jon in the first place! If she hadn't gotten pregnant, there would be no Jon, no Jon marrying Kate, no birth of their children, no Jon and Liz on CT.
People are saying Jon has the twins. Is that known for sure? What about Collin? Why would he suddenly see the missing kids now? I hope so, though! Did I miss something? I know he intends to apply for custody of the tups but I thought he was giving the twins their space?
Could he introduce them to a therapist, for example? Could his attorney speak to them off the record? If he discovered abuse, say with Collin, could he refuse to return them to Kate?
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I certainly wouldn't think so. Kate has legal custody. What would an attorney do? This isn't family court. An attorney isn't a therapist and isn't associated with CPS. That's why protective services are set up. Procedure must be followed. An attorney, especially one who has nothing to do with child psychological evaluation, isn't a mandated reporter. Why would Jon refuse to return them to Kate and defy court orders? That certainly wouldn't help his case when seeking custody.
She wants these teens, then she's going to have to do the work.
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Oh she wants those teens, absoulutely! The only purpose you serve a narcissist is being their "supply". Seems like they give it to her because it soothes the beast. They are human and they are children. They will need to grow up to finally figure all this out. When they themselves are having mental health issues, when they may be making poor choices I know JON, yes JON will be there.
From growing up with 2 abusive parents, you would think that I'd be all over Jon too, seeing as he's "male". But it's the opposite. I see a victim, I see a man (with MANY faults) trying TRYING to do good by his kids. For "me", he's just a human being, warts and all, trying to navigate under these extremely bizarre and UNIQUE circumstances (yes, he's responsible for the circumstances too). You'd think I'd be on the side of the Goodies etc. who hate men, but that's not the case. I hate tfw because she is the perpetrator and she continues and continues and CONTINUES to abuse, manipulate, us, isolate those kids. He's the only one trying to fix/change that, even if some of his actions are questionable and not anything I personally would do.
Why would he suddenly see the missing kids now?
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Simple, because he announced he was serious about getting her found in contempt of their custody order and has Blank Rome on his side to do it, and like any good bully she caved the moment the rubber meets the road. Like others have said bullies are all about puffing their chests out but if you poke that chest with a pin they deflate and run away like a coward to find somebody else to push around.
Oh shoot, Milo is probably just so flummoxed about TFW"s fall from grace that she's sittin' in the corner somewhere scratchin'' her balls.
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Unless Kate is in possession of them.
Like others have said bullies are all about puffing their chests out but if you poke that chest with a pin they deflate and run away like a coward to find somebody else to push around.
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Hmm, maybe. TFW usually tries some stupid scheme to stop things from not going her way. What if the twins refused to go? I'd love to be a fly on the wall of the compound ...well, maybe not.
I'm forbidden from speaking with any children involved in a case unless I am appointed to represent that child and have no prior affiliation with any other party. And unless it's in front of all the other attorneys and the judge. And I wouldn't want to anyway, too much potential for things I may say to be misconstrued.
Why can't Kate talk to Deanna or Jamie about adult issues? Why does she need to talk to her teen girls about adult issues?
Well, well, well..this sounds so much like the "oh, yes she does" person. Same writing style, same thoughts, same everything! I wondered what happened to her! I've noticed this before but didn't say anything.
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Yes! Exactly! The writing style, but particularly the comments that imply that the person knows what's going on in the house, with the family, with Jon. I remember that person would comment on the nanny, the relationship between Jon and the kids, Jon's father...kind of like there was insider information.
However, it's the style, semantics, syntax that is exactly the same as the "oh, yes" person. If I recall, though, the one I am thinking about was not a sheeple. She (he?) disliked both Jon and Kate equally. It's also the person who had 24 jobs at the same time, traveling all over the East Coast, wife of pap, flight attendant, child psychologist, museum curator, claiming to live everywhere Jon and Kate lived, and in Philadelphia as well.
She was a hoot.
Thanks for the reply and thoughts. I guess if it was really bad CPS would be called. I am particularly worried about Collin.
Angie, Jon had a good job and was happy with the twins.
It was KK that insisted on more kids, and lied to Jon and her doctors to create the multiples.
As a nurse that knows the complications for multiples, I equate her actions the same as for a woman that gets pregnant and drinks herself silly everyday not caring one bit about the health of her child.
KK wanted multiples, and cared less about there health, emotionally or physically of her children.
There are ethical issues for having multiples.
http://www.climb-support.org/pdf/ethicalissuesHOMarticle.pdf
KK did not care that the babies would not go into the arms of a caring mother and be snuggled after birth....but instead be put in a machine for weeks or months with tubes down their throats, and metal needles in their arms....no she did not care one bit.
All she wanted was the accolades and attention she got, and then later all the power it gave her.
Maybe Kate working on her book winners contest-(lol) and that's why she's been so busy.
I've thought the same thing about this poster. I think you all are right and "oh, yes she does" is back! I always got a good laugh out of her posts. Oh yes I did!
Lauren @ljohnson2006 2h
They only have two seasons of Jon and Kate Plus 8 on @netflix now. This makes me sad. @Kateplusmy8 please come back to tv soon
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Looks like Netflix got tired of KK as well.
I am very sad about the twins not seeing Jon, but even more troubled about the situation with Collin. What has happened in that house, or what has TFW said, to make a little boy not want to see his dad, or feel like he can't go see his dad?
I think about TFW saying that she and the twins are together in her room every night. If that is the truth, where is Collin during that time? Do they just totally ignore him? Is he all alone, having to entertain himself? I guess it's possible that he enjoys the quiet time, but something is just not right.
So much of this story is heartbreaking, but what is happening with that little boy is really distressing.
I thought that maybe this had finally died down but it's still a story & people are still commenting.
http://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/savannah-guthrie-talks-awkward-kate-gosselin-twin-daughters-182000074-us-weekly.html
chefsummer said... 138
Lauren @ljohnson2006 2h
They only have two seasons of Jon and Kate Plus 8 on @netflix now. This makes me sad. @Kateplusmy8 please come back to tv soon
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This fan, and others like her, make me wonder what is lacking in their lives that all they do for a better portion of their free time is to send out tweets to reality stars and celebrities.
What a world.
I just wanted to comment on the twins seeing Jon's unfortunate performance on CT. I would be surprised if they hadn't. Kate, being the parental alienator, would be sure that the girls saw what an awful person their father was...and how right they are to not want to bother with him. I don't think Kate would miss a golden opportunity like that.
Call Me Crazy said... 139
I am very sad about the twins not seeing Jon, but even more troubled about the situation with Collin. What has happened in that house, or what has TFW said, to make a little boy not want to see his dad, or feel like he can't go see his dad?
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I am worried, too. Is this woman waging psychological warfare on her young son as a substitute for getting to Jon???
We all know she is capable. She has a mean strike a mile long.
And if any of the children have problems common to multiples, why wouldn't a CARING mother not want to handle it in private instead of forcing them onto the public stage?
Between being born multiples and being raised by Nurse Ratched, and being aliened from their loving father....what more damage is left to inflict on her own children????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurse_Ratched
Jon, please wake up...this woman will never change....NEVER.
Admin said...127
Like others have said bullies are all about puffing their chests out but if you poke that chest with a pin they deflate and run away like a coward to find somebody else to push around.
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When TFW ran away after she had been deflated this week by Jon, she is now getting that pinhole pieced and patched by holing up with Steve and twitter silence.
I'd love to be a fly on the wall of the compound ...well, maybe not.
I would think not too, Formely. A FLY on the walls of that germaphobic nutcase? You would be smashed to smithereens, then boiled in Purel, then purified by barbecue fire to get rid of any leftovers"saminella" germs ; the ashes would then be salted in that salted water pool of hers, and fed to Shoka... because, well, that's he deserves. He doesn't mind. He's a dog.
I've thought the same thing about this poster. I think you all are right and "oh, yes she does" is back! I always got a good laugh out of her posts. Oh yes I did!
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Good times! I always was impressed about how many jobs she held down at the same time. Such stamina and the ability to multitask! Every week it was a different job from a different location, but she always seemed to know exactly what was going on in Kate's home, having insider information about those around Kate. I think she was also at the Kentucky Derby and sat next to Kate in the VIP area.
The funniest thing was when she posted that she was on the steps of the art museum and heard the conversation between Kate and the kids inside the limo. Loved it! Yes, indeed, she did!
For who asked about the Grand Canyon being snow covered . . . No it isn't. No snow there at all. They said it is unusual for this time of year. It was 50 degrees. Just beautiful!
Marie
Thanks for the youtube link, Admin.
I don't like how Liz laughed at Jon after she reamed him out for what she thought he was doing. Aside from that little scene, which didn't have to be turned into a big deal, Jon hasn't said anything that he needs to be embarrassed about or that his kids shouldn't see. He's just been describing how he feels. Good for him.
And the discussion Dr. Jen had with Farrah irritated the heck out of me. Dr. Jen keeps saying no one is being judged, but when Farrah said she dated three months after having a baby, the good doctor sure sounded judgmental by the tone of her voice. I think there's a lot of judgement going on in this show.
Oh well. I'm off to practice Farrah's.dry-eyed crying technique. What a great idea. No mess.
for admin:
Check out coconut oil on line for your dad.
(you tube has some good ones)
Wonder if horse face still feels the same way now!?! Lol
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gILyhYvW6tQ&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DgILyhYvW6tQ
I agree kate is usually silent when she does not have all the kids, but these past 6 months hse has been trying to make out like she has the kids every weekend. Now we know why, because she did have some of the kids every weekend.
I read somewhere that Jon was going to family court for an emergency injunction ( I may not be using the correct legal speak) to stop Kate from breaking the rules, of not giving him "first right of refusal" and maybe about not allowing him to see his kids, and THEN h would go for custody of the 6 at a later date.
Is there a possibility, that Jon did indeed do this, and the Family Court Judge told them to both stop airing their families dirty laundry in the courts of public opinion???
It just seems odd that Kate and Jon were building this huge pre-climatic frenzy and then when Jon said the custody word, boom all media interviewes were stopped. Purposely or......?
Hmmm, Admin , nay insight? or the Locals??
Speaking of climatic ( wink, wink) I havent watched the CT, and ont think I will but here is my thought..
We all know that reality tv isnt reality. They may not set up every scene, but I think when something happens, they ( the producers) imply or make suggestions that something might be more then it seems to other players in the show.
So, is it a possibility that Jon was scratching the male parts, this was viewed through the camera in theri room ( who knows it could be a live stream?) Liz was eating breakfast, and a producer goes to her and says.. ya best be getting back in there it looks like your partners is pleasuring himself..
Remember, drama makes money, and this CT show sounds like it is looking for WAY OVER THE TOP drama. It addresses all kinds of topics that would be considered shocking to many.
I also believe that Jon is niave.. and he may have truly believed that he and Liz were going to actually get therapy. None of this dramatization of stuff.
Just my 2 cents :)
While I hope Jon would be spending time with all of the kids this weekend, I didn't interpret him saying that he'd give the twins a big hug and ask them how school was going to mean anything more than what he'd do when he saw them during pick-up of the other kids at the bus stop. I'd love for TFW to follow the custody agreement and let/push all the kids to spend time with him, but I just don't think it'll happen w/o court intervention.
I hope I'm wrong about this, though.
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lol,That's why I changed my mind; you put it very well. One flying creature is enough- Zorro. But how long will HE last? Something suspicious about TFW acquiring a bird and allowing him free flight about the sterile walls. A bribe- but would the twins really want a bird? Not more expensive jeans or boots?
AuntieAnn (148)
"I don't like how Liz laughed at Jon after she reamed him out for what she thought he was doing."
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I didn't either, Auntie. It was uncalled for, and just seemed snippy and condescending. Maybe she was just nervous and wasn't sure how she was supposed to react (according to the scripting). My overall feeling is that I'm just not impressed with her. Of course, maybe it was the filming environment and she's completely different in their home.
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Kate is a Twit - I thought earlier, either in this thread or the last, Admin had shared that she knows the firm that is representing Jon and she was quite pleased about it.
I suppose just because he consulted with them doesn't mean he can afford to move forward yet, but I had the impression this was a done deal.
Admin - could Jon sue for full custody and have Kate be responsible for picking up the tab?
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Jon may have consulted with the law firm, waiting on the paperwork to be drawn up, etc. before actually filing. Administrator, isn't the timing of the filing of a lawsuit or motion actually part of the overall strategy?
At the very least, I would think Jon and his law team would want to factor in how fast TFMJG would be served once the lawsuit is filed and file on a day close to his custodial weekend to spare most of the kids from TFMJG's initial wrath. At least the twins have cell phones and can call someone is she's too out of control.
Why can't Kate talk to Deanna or Jamie about adult issues? Why does she need to talk to her teen girls about adult issues?
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Because she's grooming them, like all abusers
Like others have said bullies are all about puffing their chests out but if you poke that chest with a pin they deflate and run away like a coward to find somebody else to push around.
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"puffing out chests" "poking chests with pins" "deflating"
Oh gosh, so many ways to respond to this :)
Auntie Ann??
This is the first comment I've read on my way to catching up, so I hope this has been settled by the time I get to the end of the comments. BUT......
angie said... 82
''....... It was obvious he was in that bed and the blankets were moving, no mistaking that. The camera even showed him pulling his pjs down.''
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WHAT? What on earth are you talking about? I did not see Jon pulling his pjs down. I'd love to know the spot on the show where you saw Jon pulling down his pjs.
❄️D A N I E L❄️ @DannyCakes1998 10m
@Kateplusmy8 Who the hell does John think he is trying to have the kids he wasn't even there to help you and now he wants them like no
Wasn't there to help her? Good grief. I sometimes wonder if these tweeters are just jumping on the yapping train because they have nothing else to do. Then I look at their profiles, which explains everything!
I bet TFW's twitter silence is because she is either meeting with her attorney or her PR agent. Either way, she's probably scheming her next media blast to set the record straight for the 1,345th time. But I think that this time is going to be the hardest. She really doesn't have much left to work with nor many that would side with her anymore. Speaking of attorneys, would hers be likely to "scold" her for breaking the child custody agreement by taking the twins to New York or just ignore it?
Thanks everyone for all the tips about my dad. I am going to look into those for sure.
The recap is almost done and I will post soon. You know on balance Jon and Liz weren't in this episode much. Most of the storyline was about Farrah so that's what most of the recap is about.
Hey, AuntieAnn, don't give Farrah credit for inventing dry-eyed crying.
That's TFW's specialty! She's probably reading this right now
and asking, "Can we sue?" #dontsayididn'twarnyou
AuntieAnn said... 148
I'm off to practice Farrah's.dry-eyed crying technique. What a great idea. No mess.
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I've been trying to figure out the trick to her whispery voice in the middle of a sentence.
AuntieAnn said... 148
I'm off to practice Farrah's.dry-eyed crying technique. What a great idea. No mess.
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I've been trying to figure out the trick to her whispery voice in the middle of a sentence.
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She is just one weird duck.
May said... 142
I just wanted to comment on the twins seeing Jon's unfortunate performance on CT. I would be surprised if they hadn't. Kate, being the parental alienator, would be sure that the girls saw what an awful person their father was..
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Amen
and ...
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Call Me Crazy said... 139
I am very sad about the twins not seeing Jon, but even more troubled about the situation with Collin. What has happened in that house, or what has TFW said, to make a little boy not want to see his dad, or feel like he can't go see his dad?
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Amen. Amen.
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All the arguments about Jon ... who and how often he's dated, what and how often he has jobs, does he or doesn't he want to be on TV ... HE DOESN'T USE HIS KIDS TO GAIN ATTENTION!! HE DOESN'T USE HIS KIDS TO FIGHT HIS EX-WIFE!!
And listen sheep - Kate has been alone for a long time according to you ... so she's either pleasing herself or a frigid ice queen ... take your pick!
Vanessa said... 126
''....From growing up with 2 abusive parents, you would think that I'd be all over Jon too, seeing as he's "male". But it's the opposite. I see a victim, I see a man (with MANY faults) trying TRYING to do good by his kids.''
''.......I hate tfw because she is the perpetrator and she continues and continues and CONTINUES to abuse, manipulate, us, isolate those kids. He's the only one trying to fix/change that, even if some of his actions are questionable and not anything I personally would do. ''
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As another one who had 2 abusive parents, I think exactly the same as you. In another comment you said that some of us made it through our childhood/teens with the absolute determination to break the cycle and NEVER EVER treat our children the way we were treated. There are quite a few of us on this blog that have said/done the same thing.
...angie, 82: Remember the film footage of them on their real honeymoon, J & K,? They were happy newlyweds.
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As my grandmother always said, "What does that have to with the price of tea in China?"
I'm not sure what you are inferring here.
gabby2 said... 135
There are ethical issues for having multiples.
http://www.climb-support.org/pdf/ethicalissuesHOMarticle.pdf
KK did not care that the babies would not go into the arms of a caring mother and be snuggled after birth....but instead be put in a machine for weeks or months with tubes down their throats, and metal needles in their arms....no she did not care one bit.
All she wanted was the accolades and attention she got, and then later all the power it gave her.
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I've often wondered what would have happened had Kate not had 6 healthy babies. I think it's safe to say she's ill-equipped to deal with any special needs children. Makes me shudder.
I know Kate thanks God for giving her kids. I think Kate (and modern science) gave herself kids ... God stepped in to make them healthy because he knew what kind of person she was/is.
Apparently 'reality TV actress" Farrah is attending a swanky pre-Grammy party, and I guess attending the event.
Okay, was the 'oh yes' person before me? I'm not remembering!
All the 'inside' info sounds like Milo! Maybe her 'lights out man' or 'children' moonlighting while 'mom' is fixated at 'her' computer! :-)
Dr. Jen keeps saying no one is being judged, but when Farrah said she dated three months after having a baby, the good doctor sure sounded judgmental by the tone of her voice.
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You know I have a laundry list of issues with Farrah but it doesn't remotely bother me she wanted to date after having a baby. The baby was three months old, not three days old, and she had decent grandparents who ADORE her and happily watched her.
I don't think it's fair to expect any mother not to have a little fun whether they are a teen or not. As long as your child is well cared for there's no harm there. If anything I would worry about expecting Farrah to always be home such that she starts resenting her child. Grandparents like time alone with the baby anyway! Some mothers don't like to go out at all and that's fine but it's a fine line there putting your whole life on hold. Suddenly your kid has plans and your parents have no friends or plans to occupy themselves while the kid is gone.
Now in Farrah's case she took it too far but Jenn didn't really explain that from what I remember Farrah was apparently out all the time and neglecting her child. That's different. But coming down hard on a mother for going out with a baby at home, standing alone, is harsh.
I watched some of Teen Mom with my daughter when Farrah's parents were concerned she was out clubbing every night and not taking care of the baby at all, expecting her mom to do everything. She bitched that her mother was denying her her teenage years. Her mother pointed out that by having a baby she had responsibility that most teenage girls do not. While Farrah was lucky- very, but tends to forget it- that she had her parents helping her- and she took advantage of them and did neglect her daughter and school.
Yes she took it too far with all the clubbing but I felt like Dr. Jenn wasn't aware of that. She just made this blanket judgment implying no one should date when they have a baby. I think that's nonsense. I have no idea where these arbitrary rules came from and I think it results in over simplification.
Like anything with kids, there are appropriate and inappropriate ways to go about having a social life and it doesn't automatically mean neglecting your child. A parent who is present but not emotionally paying attention to their kid isn't much better, like Kate home but on twitter all the time.
Well, apparently Sophia is 'living her own life' now at age 4. Farrah thinks that's healthy. She says that Sophia is very intelligent and more mature than most 4 year olds and knows what she wants. I assume this means her parents have the child. Greta mom. What happened to her career as a chef?
If the show is scripted ( duh) why wouldn't Jon say he didn't want to do the masturbation scene? They could have discussed the same issues about another more palatable, less demeaning topic.Honesty, who would play out this scene willingly when all it does is make you look foolish?
Mel said... 83
Add to the list Piper Palin. Real nice. She bullied a 10 year old. Who was just innocently standing there.
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I second that one. It's definitely one of her worst.
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