"It's the only way I can protect the younger six."
Jon tells InTouch that Kate is in violation of their custody agreement because he has "right of first refusal" (Kate is required to offer the kids to him first before getting a babysitter). Kate did not inform him she was leaving the sextuplets behind with a caregiver in Pennsylvania when she took the twins to New York City to go on Today and The View. Had Jon known, Jon could have exercised his right of first refusal and had the sextuplets stay with him during the twins' media tour. He said this stunt was the last straw.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/stars/news/jon-gosselin-plans-to-fight-for-custody-of-his-sextuplets
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I think Kate is "bonding" with the twins by buying them expensive things. Giving them what they want. As for the other six children, they are of "no value" to Kate now. No longer cute toddlers. Just six children who need to be raised. Kate can't use the six to make money, so she turns her attention to the twins. Well, Kate, how is that working out for you?
Jumping In said... 76 I know this is pure speculation on my part, but why didn't one of the sextuplets call their dad when they were left with the babysitter, even just to say hi. I think they do live in fear of their mother.
Perhaps things have changed, but it used to be there was no landline phone in that house, only Kate's cell phone. The kids were caught a couple of times using the cell phones of the hired help to call their dad but when Kate found out she made it clear that no hired person is to let a kid use their phone. The twins have cell phones now, but do the 9 year olds? I guess what I am trying to say is that without a landline phone in the house, a nine year old has to get pretty desperate, sneaky, and conniving in order to find a way to make a call behind the back of an adult.
Jon shouldn't be tipping his hand. Never show you opponent your next move or they might just out maneuver you.
Silimom you need to send that open letter to Jon & Kate to all the magazines. Both of them need to read it.
A warning to the good people of PA: Coming soon to a nursing home, dialysis center, nursing home, or home healthcare agency - Nurse Ratched 2.0. She'll be even uglier after losing her bodyguard and star status.
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What's that old Hollywood saying? "You'll never work in this town again"
I think Kate is going to have a tough time finding a job at McDonalds. This Set the Record Straight Tour really blew up in her face. She may have to start all over with husband number 2 if she can find one.
TFW needs to hold on to the six because they'll be teens in another four years and then she'll really be able to pitch a show.
Filing Paperwork to the Courts is expensive but I I know someone who couldn't afford the paperwork so the Courts waved all paperwork fees and she only paid lawyer fees. The lawyer gave her a break too. Jon should be eligible for waved paperwork fees if PA Courts have this type of program. No lawyer will tell him about this but if anyone knows how to reach Jon please please pass on the waved court paperwork fees. If they wave fees in PA then he can approach his lawyer with this information which can help him.
Love your site RealitykidsTV Admin. Your information is so helpful. Thanks for having this site.
JR said... 197
Weed pulling?? Isn't that what Joan Crawford used to make her kids do? Sounds like Kate and Joan have a lot in common
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Didn't KK joke that she was mommy dearest once?
I say BULL to that....all kids are free to speak to the counselor. Gee, all they have to do is walk up to their teacher and say. 'I want to talk to the counselor'.
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Not if you're scared S**tless of your parent, Also what if they did tell and they weren't believe?
The kids would be even more scared afterword they told and got home and had to face their mother.
Here's the clip from the View where Jenny and Sherry discussed Kate's appearance and Jon's In Touch interview. The discussion starts about the 1:20 mark.
http://abc.go.com/shows/the-view/video/PL5554876/_m_VDKA0_bg2ydthl
NJGal51 said... 199
It's only a matter of time now before TFW starts tweeting pictures of the kids hugging each other (or her) and she'll start in with the "cute" sayings by the tups and more declaring that she's the bestest mommy in the whoe wide world
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Yup. And I bet she's real pissed about the snow throwing a wrench into her planned paparazzi opportunities. I wonder which we will see first- happy happy bus stop pickup or happy happy target shopping?
Then she can always go with Shrew + 2
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Don't Kiss Me, Kate, or the Untaming of the Shrew + 2 (with apologies to the Bard of Avon).
I resent Jon stirring the pot in public, especially when he is just threatening.
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I have a feeling that this isn't just a threat. This time she pushed him too far.
WOS cannot stipulate that the kids can't talk to the counselor...if she did that, red flags would go up every school flagpole.
Morally she shouldn't be able to tell the kids this, but it doesn't mean she didn't. Intimidation and fear are very powerful and effective behavior tools. If the kids kept secrets from friends about traveling for the show even when they were very young and kept the secret about CWS from Jon, who knows what else she's told them to keep to themselves.
I feel like I did when Robert's book came out.
Sometimes being right is terrible.
I resent Jon stirring the pot in public, especially when he is just threatening.
Wow. How about resenting Kate for beating the crap out of her babies or having the twins trash their dad on national TV?
Why do YOU resent it? Maybe you need to step back and look at the whole picture. He was quiet for years and things just got worse. He has to play HER game, which is going public. I also wish they'd BOTH STFU but since they can't, I'm glad he's finally doing what is right.
Oh, wait, an anonymous person resents it. BFD
Does anyone think that Kate realizes how bad she is viewed now by the public? Or has she isolated herself so deeply in the mcmansion that she is clueless?
Perhaps a little research on abuse will educate you as to why the children will not talk to counselors:
Children who have been, or are being, abused will often be very confused and uncertain about what to do and who to tell. Some children may not even realize that what has been going on or has been done to them is abuse.
Abusers are likely to go to great lengths to keep their behavior a secret. They may use threats to the child, or to other family members, if the child tells. They also play on guilt, and may persuade the child that it was all his/her fault and that he/she really wanted it to happen. Some abusers may pretend that the abuse is normal and a way of showing love in families.
Only a percentage of children who are being abused find the courage to tell someone. These disclosures can be as painful as the abuse itself; the child believing he/she is telling on someone he/she loves and reliving the horrible experiences. They don't want to cause problems; they just want it to stop. No one really knows what makes one child disclose and another not. We do know that it is incredibly important for a disclosure to be heard respectfully and to be believed.
Of course Kate won't let them talk to a school counselor. Her secrets would be ou
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I think Jon is 'quoted' in the rag mag article as saying the kids aren't allowed to speak to the school counselor.
I say BULL to that....all kids are free to speak to the counselor. Gee, all they have to do is walk up to their teacher and say. 'I want to talk to the counselor'.
done.
it would take courage, but they do have the right. WOS cannot stipulate that the kids can't talk to the counselor...if she did that, red flags would go up every school flagpole.
January 22, 2014 at 2:16 PM
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Of course. But maybe that happened and the kid got spanked or worse and she has forbidden THEM not to go
Blowing In The Wind said... 13
Then she can always go with Shrew + 2
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Don't Kiss Me, Kate, or the Untaming of the Shrew + 2 (with apologies to the Bard of Avon).
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Hahaha! Good one. I've never seen Kiss Me, Kate and didn't realize it was based on Taming of the Shrew. PERFECT.
Does anyone think that Kate realizes how bad she is viewed now by the public? Or has she isolated herself so deeply in the mcmansion that she is clueless?
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She's a narcissist. She sees what she wants to see, makes up the rest. It's not her so it must be them. She's wonderful, they're jelluz haters. There is no reality in Kateworld.
If my kid got prison ivy weeding she wouldn't be weeding again til she was over it and then if it were a family chore like we did I would take the time to show her how to tell. Actually I would have gone out and sprayed all the poison ivy. What the heck are they weeding?
WOS cannot stipulate that the kids can't talk to the counselor...if she did that, red flags would go up every school flagpole.
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Of course she can. She has legal custody. Unless CPS or an another agency is involved, there is no mandated order that they need to talk to a therapist or anyone else.
"Yup. And I bet she's real pissed about the snow throwing a wrench into her planned paparazzi opportunities. I wonder which we will see first- happy happy bus stop pickup or happy happy target shopping?"
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Well, the kids have been home with her for five days now -- no school again today, so she should enjoy having them with her for as long as she can.
Gayle. said... 6
TFW needs to hold on to the six because they'll be teens in another four years and then she'll really be able to pitch a show.
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But by that time, Kate will be getting ready to leak one of the twins' sex tapes.
They have been told by Kate, apparently, not to talk to the school counselors, if I understand what Jon is saying; not that Kate told the counselors they were not to talk to the kids.
Here's how Kate works their minds: scare them, bribe them to keep their mouths SHUT. Her plan has gone wrong because the tups feel comfortable enough to speak to their father. They are probably not treated well by Kate or the twins.
The twins, well if you have raised a young female teenager, you get how self-involved and materialistic they can be. Easy for Kate to control although she got her rear end on a platter because they are also unpredictable and think they are smarter than adults. But hey, that fiasco proves the girls have zero TV charisma and what will mommy do now?
It is true. We have guessed correctly what their life is like. I see no issue with Jon speaking out because he is not promoting himself. Of course it would be an ideal situation if both parents could handle this quietly, but Kate brought this on publicly. I was totally angry with Jon doing CT but I get it now. You do what you have to do for your kids.
I was just watching "Divorce Court," and here were some wise words from Judge Lynn Toller: "Self-involved people make bad parents." If ever there was a poster child for self involvement, it's TFW.
Hoping and praying this all proceeds with positive results for those
8 kids. Sadly, I foresee a long, protracted, and ugly battle ahead.
But a few messy months might lead to many, many happier and healthier years for them.
Maybe they haven't been able to talk to a school counselor up to now but they should get some counseling/therapy and their own legal rep/guardian if this goes to court. The twins should too.
If Kate has legal control can she stop Jon from taking any of the kids to counseling if he is paying for it?
She must be just flabbergasted. She's been throwing him under the bus for years with no reply from him and he's not taking it anymore
I wonder if Jon's association with Mr. Tuma has given him a whole lot more confidence in using the legal system.
Sorry about all my autocorrect errors I left my laptop at work
If it kid got prison ivy weeding she wouldn't be weeding again til she was over it and then if it were a family chore like we did I would take the time to show her how to tell. Actually I would have gone out and sprayed all the poison ivy. What the heck are they weeding? 23
That presumes that the pimp can identify pi and cares that one of her children is miserable.
But by that time, Kate will be getting ready to leak one of the twins' sex tapes 26
The sheeple will never get that this is a slam on Kate the pimp.
NJGal51 said... 199
It's only a matter of time now before TFW starts tweeting pictures of the kids hugging each other (or her) and she'll start in with the "cute" sayings by the tups and more declaring that she's the bestest mommy in the whoe wide world (said in Shirley Temple voices while gearing up to sing and dance). Wait for it!
@Kateplusmy8: Family dinner clean up....and Leah's SO 'dressed up' (is that a 'barrette' in her hair?!) #maybeitsZorro? http://t.co/davfMhTJZI
Haha
@23susanna: @Kateplusmy8 aww thats cute I don't care what anyone says i think u r a wounderfull mom @Kateplusmy8
Yep, another picture of one of the kids (this time Leah) with the bird on her head. Place your bets as to who it will be tomorrow.
...wonders what the TFW will try next too one up Jon?
Localyocul said... 23
If my kid got prison ivy weeding she wouldn't be weeding again til she was over it
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Prison ivy is right! There's no better description, lol. It probably grows all around the perimeter of the spiked gates where guards shine their spotlights watching for escaping children. Life in the Konpound.
I read the comments on the Daily Mail website about Jon getting custody and so many of them were brutal against Jon. One of the main issues in their comments was how is he going to support them. This makes me so angry. How is Kate supporting them? Kate's supporting them with their own money and by exploiting them. Why is this ok? Why don't they expect Kate to have a real job?
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 16m
Family dinner clean up....and Leah's SO 'dressed up' (is that a 'barrette' in her hair?!) #maybeitsZorro? pic.twitter.com/davfMhTJZI
This crazy woman is thumbing her nose at everyone telling her to NOT let the birds sit on the shoulders or head. Good lord. I bet we don't hear about the stitches.
Um wow.
@BarbGilmer: @feathernative2 @SaidByJeannie @Kateplusmy8 Both parents just need to stop trashing one another and get along even if only 4 kids sake!!
@kittyFitz50: Totally agree Barbara. Kids need independent council, IMO @BarbGilmer @feathernative2 @SaidByJeannie @Kateplusmy8
@BarbGilmer: @Sarelya23 @feathernative2 @SaidByJeannie It just needs to stop, every1 famous or not need 2 treat others how they want 2 b treated! RESPECT
LOL! Good to see you Dwindle!
Gayle. said... 6
TFW needs to hold on to the six because they'll be teens in another four years and then she'll really be able to pitch a show.
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But by that time, Kate will be getting ready to leak one of the twins' sex tapes.
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Dwindle said... 26
I sadly think you're right, Dwindle. How very Kardashian it will be of her!
Truther @Sarelya23 2m
@Sassccha #Kateplusmy8 Poor Leah -- and Kate only lets them bathe once a week!
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Uh, what?? Where does this info come from?
@Kateplusmy8: Family dinner clean up....and Leah's SO 'dressed up' (is that a 'barrette' in her hair?!) #maybeitsZorro? pic.twitter.com/davfMhTJZI
@Kateplusmy8: @MiloandJack he loves all of us! He goes from one to the next to the next etc #rarelyinhiscage
@Kateplusmy8: @JeanneKaye we say ALL the X: I forget what life was like b4 Zorro! I was SO nervous2make the commitment, but we r all SO glad we did!
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And so it begins. Nothing going on here. Look at the pretty bird. He loves us and we love him. Jon who?
WOS cannot stipulate that the kids can't talk to the counselor...if she did that, red flags would go up every school flagpole.
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Of course she can. She has legal custody. Unless CPS or an another agency is involved, there is no mandated order that they need to talk to a therapist or anyone else.
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I guess I didn't make it clear, but I was referring to the SCHOOL counselor.
WOS cannot prohibit the kids from talking to the school counselor.
Localyocul said... 42
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Yet isn't it strange that Barb never said anything to Kate all those times Kate threw Jon under the bus, up to and including this recent tv round. I tell ya....these sheep.
WOS cannot prohibit the kids from talking to the school counselor. 47
But she can scare them out of it.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 16m
Family dinner clean up....and Leah's SO 'dressed up' (is that a 'barrette' in her hair?!) #maybeitsZorro? pic.twitter.com/davfMhTJZI
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And we now return to our regularly scheduled program.
I guess I didn't make it clear, but I was referring to the SCHOOL counselor.
WOS cannot prohibit the kids from talking to the school counselor.
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Physically and/or emotionally abused children are often afraid to go to counselors, often because the abusing parent has threatened them. I would a large percentage of abused kids never tell a counselor or another adult. It can also be out of shame sometimes, not only fear.
silimom...Great letter to J&K. Unfortunately, we know the advice will not be taken.
Dwindle...Good to hear from you. I've missed your sense of humor. Hope all is well. Hope all is well with LoveMyGrandsons and AggieMom too.
I would imagine those kids have been threatened within an inch of their lives if they talk to a counselor after the suspension (or expulsion or whatever it was) fiasco that made the tabloids.
He'll support them by working a job. Good grief how do the sheeple support their kids? A job I presume.
And we now return to our regularly scheduled program. 50
Surprise!
(not).
Just saw a piece on this custody story on E news & they said Jon's attorney is Mark Heller. -LIN-
PatK said... 48
Localyocul said... 42
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Yet isn't it strange that Barb never said anything to Kate all those times Kate threw Jon under the bus, up to and including this recent tv round. I tell ya....these sheep.
Baby steps
A part of me wonders if Jon is putting this out there as a fair warning to Kate to shape up and knock it off. His very own version of don't say I didn't warn you.
UM. My hubby talked to the school counselor one time about the way his step dad treated him. He got "beat" that night and was told NEVER to talk about family things like that at school ever again. You can be sure he never did. Wasn't worth it.
Pam
(ps, the earlier pam was not me)
"I guess I didn't make it clear, but I was referring to the SCHOOL counselor.
WOS cannot prohibit the kids from talking to the school counselor."
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In PA, yes, she can. According to the legal guidelines in PA, if one of the kids wanted to talk to a school counselor, they could do so IF Kate didn't specifically say not to do so. These children are minors, and the law applies to them:
"A parent can specifically forbid a minor student to see the school counselor, or specifically forbid the counselor to work with a minor student. But as long as the parent hasn’t stated that
specifically, school counseling is considered a regular educational service provided by the school, so legally the counselor can see a minor student without parent consent."
He'llpport them by working a job. Good grief how do the sheeple support their kids? A job I presume. 52
But where is the golden platter?
Better he support his children with honest labor than they support her.
January
Uh, what?? Where does this info come from?
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Probably the same place so much of it comes from -- in their minds. Sometimes it drives me crazy to see some of the things that are said on Twitter because I know for a fact that it's just not true.
A part of me wonders if Jon is putting this out there as a fair warning to Kate to shape up and knock it off. His very own version of don't say I didn't warn you. 58
Maybe. Just thank God he isn't doing it on twitter.
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''Just saw a piece on this custody story on E news & they said Jon's attorney is Mark Heller. -LIN- ''
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Mark Heller WAS Jon's attorney, but I sure hope that he still isn't!!
I was also wondering if Jon's success w/Tuma has given Jon more confidence in legal system.
I like the idea that Jon's public comment about custody is his own #don'tsayIdidn'twarnyou
So in Milo's version, the new show and catch phrase is "Growin" Up Gosselin. #Youaresoannoyin
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 58m
@Kateplusmy8 What a socially adept bird U will have/so many there 2interact with! Can't wait til he starts really talking! #GrowinUpGosselin
The bird on the head...
For the love of all that's holy, Kate, don't let that bird anywhere around the face, head, or shoulders. Please!
Milo and the sheep -- we know you read here, and we know you don't like us and call this a "cesspool of hate." This is not said out of hate, nor am I out to get Kate. This is said out of concern. Tell her to listen to advice on this. I have been around parrots for decades, and I'm not going to list my credentials, but for the safety of the kids, don't do this. I have had all sizes of parrots, from tiny finches to Hyacinth macaws, and a conure bite can be the deepest and most severe among parrot bites. Even the friendliest and most loving bird can become spooked at any little thing and will turn on you. It only takes a moment. Don't take that chance.
Carole (183)
I'm still confused about the house and the trust. Wasn't there a lawyer for the kids' trusts on the original deed, and his name was removed before Kate refinanced it? If the trust owns the property, then how was Kate able to refinance it? And how can she ban Jon from entering a piece of property that belongs to the kids, even when he is returning the kids to their own home?
There is just something fishy about the house. Kate is treating it like an asset that belongs to her, not to the kids.
PA Dutch Mom said... 62
Uh, what?? Where does this info come from?
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Probably the same place so much of it comes from -- in their minds. Sometimes it drives me crazy to see some of the things that are said on Twitter because I know for a fact that it's just not true.
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The comment about the children bathing once a week, I believe came from one of Kate's blog posts about how she saves money. Same post, I THINK, where she talked about them wearing the same clothes all week, using the same towels, etc so she can save on water and work.
But HI! back to everyone! After all this time, it is so fun to see familiar names and get such nice greetings! Hi to Admin and The Blog Girls and Pool Boys.
UM. My hubby talked to the school counselor one time about the way his step dad treated him. He got "beat" that night and was told NEVER to talk about family things like that at school ever again. You can be sure he never did. Wasn't worth it.
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Informed consent and right to privacy is a separate legal issue...when does counselor-client (student) privilege apply, and when is the counselor permitted to speak to the parent about what the student has disclosed? It's a whole other area in school counseling.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 58m
@Kateplusmy8 What a socially adept bird U will have/so many there 2interact with! Can't wait til he starts really talking! #GrowinUpGosselin
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How would you here the bird talk? Are you going to be in the house with the bird?
The new article on Eonline says that Mark Heller is his attorney and Heller has made statements to E. Heller does say that Jon has been consulting him, but that doesn't mean he is going to be the attorney for the court case.
http://www.eonline.com/news/502500/jon-gosselin-will-most-likely-take-legal-action-against-ex-kate-gosselin-over-custody-issues-attorney-says?
An excerpt:
"Heller explained to E! that a privision in Jon and Kate's arrangement states that, when Kate goes out of town or needs to leave the kids with a babysitter or nanny, Jon has first right of refusal on whomever she picks to do the care-taking, and he can opt to have the children stay with him instead.
Kate has never given Jon that privilege, Heller says, "and from his point of view that has violated the custodial agreement. She always places them with the babysitter instead of the father, to his disdain."
And, Heller continues, Jon has also found that he hasn't been able to spend as much time with the twins as is provided him in the custody agreement due to Kate's "reluctance to abide by that provision for over 12 months."
"In addition, [Jon] hasn't had privileges with his son Collin [one of the sextuplets] since August," Heller adds. "It is his belief that [Kate] has violated the custodial agreement and is actually in contempt of the court order...She has clearly breached those very extensive provisions to the extent he has been deprived very serious parental rights. It is his position that such conduct, and I agree, is not only contemptuous but there have also been attempts by her to alienate him the affections of his children."
Heller says Jon has been consulting with him and it's "most likely that he is going to proceed" in court."
I just hope that Jon is only consulting with Heller due to the fact that Heller was his attorney during the divorce. I truly hope that Jon isn't considering using Heller to be his lawyer for this if it does proceed to court. IMO, that would be one huge mistake.
Per Mark Heller, Jon hasn't had Collin since August and she's been interfering with his visits with the twins for twelve months!
(Leslie)
I think it was even written about that Kate received the house in the divorce settlement in December 2009. Even when they were married the house was in the name of a trust but Jon and Kate still owned the home. So if the house today is still in a Trust, I think Kate stills owns it herself.
Um wow.
@BarbGilmer: @feathernative2 @SaidByJeannie @Kateplusmy8 Both parents just need to stop trashing one another and get along even if only 4 kids sake!!
@BarbGilmer: @Sarelya23 @feathernative2 @SaidByJeannie It just needs to stop, every1 famous or not need 2 treat others how they want 2 b treated! RESPECT
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Good for Barb. I respect any sheeple who thinks independently. It's not team Kate. It's not team Jon. It's team Kids and more than that it's team WHAT'S RIGHT. Jon shouldn't have revealed all the details of what is going on, bad as it is, and should not use the public forum to air his grievances with Kate. I understand his frustration, but I think court is the better place. He should save it for the judge. So too Kate had no right to encourage the children to trash him, exploit them and contradict his wishes for them on live T.V. We are all human beings, many of us women and mothers, all of us you would hope with hearts. Put morality FIRST. Even if that means you might not support every single thing the person you generally support does. It doesn't mean you can't still support the good things the ydo. It doesn't mean you're losing your pride or unable to save face. It just means you are a person with a heart.
And good for the View ladies admitting Barbara's question about their dad was totally inappropriate. Of course it was, and loyalty to her does not come over what is RIGHT. That is a question that only a therapist has a right to ask. Shame on you Barbara.
I trust nothing Kate does/says. As for the house, even if it is not a trust but in her will that they get it, does she get to keep any profit from selling it for herself (if there would be any profit), I would hope it would have to go to the kids in an untouchable acct.
I can picture those kids as adults having a bad time in their life where they are struggling and could use some of that money they made (and she kept) and Kate saying no "I" worked hard for it so go get it somewhere else because it is MINE ALL MINE.
(Leslie)
I googled it and there are numerous articles about Kate getting the house. CBS news said, " The no-fault divorce settlement gave Kate Gosselin primary custody of the children and the family home."
I clicked on that bird picture and Milo has already responded to it FIVE times! I just have no words.
How does this happens that Jon has not seen Colin since August? He stays home when the others go to their fatjer's house? She can do this? Unless I read this wrong, something is terribly not kosher in PA. I understand that the twins. In response to Kate's victim act, have stepped back from time with their father, and while he probably does not want to force them, that is still beyond wrong. He needs to take her to court as soon as he can.
OMG, Jon is presently on a show Couples therapy with this girlfriend Liz?
I watched this week, by accident, I could not believe he does not stop talking about Kate. Plus Liz is cursing like a trucker (excuse me truckers) but she then finds him masturbating and she says to him "you could lock the door when you M......ating, then I don't have to watch"...........what is that about? This is good for the kids? OMG this is all out of control. Maybe she didn't give the opportunity to babysit so he could earn some money and be able to take the 6 to a movie or something. Can't imagine he has much money as he spent a ton of money when he got his share. He was living in that expensive bldg up in NY that my daughter's boss lives in, very narrow blg and very popular. Well the rent is enormous like a year's pay and that is for a month. He sounds crazied and Liz keeps biting her nails with a hoody on and a baseball cap on top of that (doesn't she have 3 kids herself?) well they are a mess and she keeps telling him to stop, stop talking about Kate, stop with that "victim look on your face".........OMG. This is horrible.
And I do not find anything wrong with the 2 oldest girls in their mother's bedroom at night having their girl talks or watching a movie. I miss those days with my own mother, even when she was in a nursing home so sick, we watched TV together, Lawrence Welk, Perry Como on PBS, wonderful times. Nothing wrong with those girls being in Kate's room, no men in there. Mother and daughter relationships are wonderful. Well thanks for letting me post, I hope.
Per Mark Heller, Jon hasn't had Collin since August and she's been interfering with his visits with the twins for twelve months!
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That is outrageous. It's worse than we thought.
Sillimom explained it well though this is a tough spot for any parent to be in. On the one hand you don't want to force a child to visit because it could make it worse, on the other hand you have a right to see your child, it's your CHILD.
However, when the reason they don't want to visit has more to do with parental alienation than true abuse, I tend to air more on the side of forcing them. I can see not making a child who was molested see their parent if they are adamant they don't want to. But unless Mady, Cara and Collin have specific reasons that relate to abuse, which I'm sure they don't or Kate would have filed to stop his visitation by now, I think they need to be dragged to the visits. Enough is enough.
Oh no mark heller is really his lawyer?
Greedy Gosselins, thanks for a link so I could watch the view.
I wish I hadnt.
It made me feel just like what prairiemary said.
I have no strong thougths about Cara. I think she is along for a ride, not sure where to go, and so intraverted doesnt maybe know how to speak up. Says what mom wants to hear and then what dad wants to hear. She may not even know what she wants.
Kate, has created a mini me in Mady. I still can not and will not blame Mady because she is still so young and vulnerable. However Kate has her hooks in Mady deep. It will take a miracle for Mady to see the way , until perhaps she is an adult.
Whether or not what Mady said about those tups is her deep down true feelings , I have no idea. What I did hear is someone who wants to portray that she doesnt look after the littles and she does no housework. Mady appeared to want people to believe that Cara did it all.
I have no idea what the hidden agenda is behind all this , but what worries me most is that 6 vulnerable 9 year old who are treated like kindergartners were lined up to watch their mom lead their big sisters in trash talking them.
It takes a pretty thick skinned 9 year old to toss that remark to the side and never alllow it to alter their thoughts.
This is how they behave on national TV, and typically we put our BEST face forward! I dont even want to imagine what it is like for the 6 behind doors.
Jon, you do what you have to do. This will not be an easy battle. But as Admin said above, you cuurently have the support of the majority of the Americans!
and as far as house size....doesnt that house belong to the 6?
Let Kate and Mady + Cara if she wants, go and do what filming they want. There is no one coming forward publicly saying they are willing to have them on their network. let Jon tak the 6 and live on.
If Mady and Cara ever change their minds, they can text their dad and he can get back to the judge.
Thanks you everyone for your ongoing support. and prairiemary {{hugs}} I cant even imagine the loss of a child.
This is the kind of the thing that makes those poor girls the laughing stock amongst their peers. So sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNosKouneUU
A local here recently posted they wish they could say all they knew and all Kate put jon through just to see his kids. Who was that?
If I recall correctly, Heller didn't do such a good job for Jon before. Jon really should have hired/consulted a different attorney. I don't see things ending well for Jon given he is involving Heller.
Carmen
(Leslie)
Oh sh*t, Heller again. The media is going to refer back to 2009 and think how Jon acted then when they think of Heller. He is a terrible lawyer. And I hope Jon does not take up with him.
The whole family situation is beyond terrible. Those kids are NOT O.K. And this b*tch wants a a third reality show to showcase this bizarre family dysfunction.
Jon has put out a formal statement and now he needs to stop. Just because Kate is worse than him doesn't make it right. They both look and sound very bad in the press. The world is sick of both of them. I am so mad about the treatment of these 8 little pawns. It is disgusting.
And Jon once before said he was going to ask for custody and nothing ever came of that. This is very serious business that does not belong in a tabloid magazine or Enews. Watch Kate go on E to set the record straight. I feel like in a different way this is going to be 2009 all over again where their faces are plastered on every tabloid magazine again. I think both Jon and Kate love the fame. I really do.
Is it a coincidence the child labelled TFW's "helper boy" is the one staying behind? Someone's gotta feed those chickens.
Dwindle, I'm glad to see you're back. We need some extra virtual hands to hold through this mess.
This is the first time I've ever heard someone from the inner circle of this mess refer to the real parental alienation that is going on here. Heller called it "alienation of affection", which is just a different but very common term for the same thing. We've been saying it for years:
Heller explained to E! that a provision in Jon and Kate's arrangement states that, when Kate goes out of town or needs to leave the kids with a babysitter or nanny, Jon has first right of refusal on whomever she picks to do the care-taking, and he can opt to have the children stay with him instead.
Kate has never given Jon that privilege, Heller says, "and from his point of view that has violated the custodial agreement. She always places them with the babysitter instead of the father, to his disdain."
And, Heller continues, Jon has also found that he hasn't been able to spend as much time with the twins as is provided him in the custody agreement due to Kate's "reluctance to abide by that provision for over 12 months."
"In addition, [Jon] hasn't had privileges with his son Collin [one of the sextuplets] since August," Heller adds. "It is his belief that [Kate] has violated the custodial agreement and is actually in contempt of the court order...She has clearly breached those very extensive provisions to the extent he has been deprived very serious parental rights. It is his position that such conduct, and I agree, is not only contemptuous but there have also been attempts by her to alienate him the affections of his children."
Why is anyone of these gosselin parents on TV, why do people continue to watch them? I will say though that the twins are beautiful girls, very healthy looking and one is very athletic my sister in law says...she has a niece on one of the school teams. No I won't say which one. Both have bracers, that is expensive stuff today. Not being paid by daddy though? Just saying......she is providing necessitites and most kids today don't even get bracers due to the expense and lack of dental insurance with employers.
As I posted earlier that my exes wife alienated my dd against me. She manipulated my ex who always cops rented fine with me before her. She would play games with custody..wait til dd was there then have her call me and say they are having a party and would be late. Refusing to bring her to soccer practice or games. I will try to go into more detail tomorrow when I have my laptop. No way did k8 write books on an iPhone
Remember how she would so proudly brag that three of the kids were with her on weekends? The twins and Colin.
Bitch will eat her words bragging about that. Karma.
Hahaha! Good one. I've never seen Kiss Me, Kate and didn't realize it was based on Taming of the Shrew. PERFECT.
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One of my favorite Broadway shows. There's a song in the musical, "Where is the life that late I led?" and I have to think of Jon when I hear it:
"Where is the life that late I led?
Where is it now? Totally dead.
Where is the fun I used to find?
Where has it gone? Gone with the wind.
I've oft been told of nuptial bliss,
But what do you do,
A quarter to two,
With only a shrew to kiss?
So I repeat what first I said,
Where is the life that late I led?"
(Leslie)
The court needs to ban all talks about the kids in the media. And the court needs to mandate joint parental counseling/mediator. And then once that is done, the whole family (the 10 of ten) need to meet extensively with a counselor. This whole dilemma is way off the track.
Dr. Drew is going to talk about celebrity mothers' narcissism tonight. I wish he would blast Kate.I
Maybe she is trying to punish Collin? Or, she has said he defies her; maybe he is adamant about wanting to live with Jon and saying why.That's how Jon knows about the spankings etc? JMO
''In addition, [Jon] hasn't had privileges with his son Collin [one of the sextuplets] since August," Heller adds. "It is his belief that [Kate] has violated the custodial agreement and is actually in contempt of the court order...She has clearly breached those very extensive provisions to the extent he has been deprived very serious parental rights.''
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Oh dear Gussie! Remember a while back when I wondered if the reason Collin was often w/WOS was that she was punishing Collin by keeping him away from his father? I have to stop typing before Admin sends me to timeout for cursing that waste of skin out !! !!!!!!
Sadie said... 72
Per Mark Heller, Jon hasn't had Collin since August and she's been interfering with his visits with the twins for twelve months!
Where did you see/hear that?
How could anyone keep a little boy from his father?
He's not abusive or he wouldn't have frequent unmonitored contact with his children.
How many statistics are there about kids without fathers and here is a father right there willing to be in their lives and SHE STOPS IT. It's just unbelievable.
I wonder if this is her projection about her own daddy issues. She is using this because maybe she wanted to not see her dad because of the alleged abuse she and Jon have both alluded to. Now she's sort of living vicariously through kids willing to not see Jon. Maybe they need to do their visitation in therapy together in a neutral setting but it's got to start back up immediately.
I've been doing all this since even before law school and I can count on two hands the number of situations I've seen out of thousands in which no visitation was ordered. The easiest way to get a case overturned on appeal is to deny a parent visits. It's so rare and it's almost always because of sexual abuse. Sexual abuse, Kate. Get a grip.
Can anyone post on an iPad? When I click publish my post disappears and nothing gets posted. That's why I'm stuck on my phone and you're stuck with my autocorrect
Kate Gosselin....put a fork in her....She's done....this time, I believe, for good.
Can anyone post on an iPad? When I click publish my post disappears and nothing gets posted. That's why I'm stuck on my phone and you're stuck with my autocorrect
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I had this problem on my iPad and I think I figured it out. Sometimes I'm not signed in and then if I try to post, the post disappears and it never prompts me to sign in, which is what it should do. Make sure you are signed in before posting. That was my issue.
Orange, I imagine he was erring on the side of not forcing him and hoping that it would blow over in a month or too and he would come around. Why force him kicking in screaming, he might resent him more. I bet he figured it's better to be patient with Colin and respect his wishes for now.
Six months later when it hasn't "come around" and then Kate starts pushing it more by violating his right of first refusal and exploiting his twins out of state without telling him, and now she's gone too far.
This has always been Kate's problem. She never knows when to quit while she's ahead. Not her reality show, not her time in the media, not exploiting her children, anything. She pushes it until she is screwing her own self over. Everyone has a breaking point and everyone is going to say enough is enough at some point. If she had been more calculated she could probably quietly turn these kids against him over the years, one kid at a time. But she pushed it too much too quick gets greedy, and now she could lose custody of the six. Whoops.
That's what she is, GREEDY. About EVERYTHING she is greedy, not just money.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 85
Bitch will eat her words bragging about that. Karma.
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Dang looks like Kate is pissing you off. I know she pissed me off with the today show stunt.
Layla #73: There is something just so "off" about TFW's relationship with the tups.
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You are right, there is. The tups are a commodity to kate. She knows she must bathe and dress them, and put a roof over their head and ensure nothing sinister happens to them.....she may even confuse care for with love. She may find some of the things they say and do as cute.
But for Kate, those 6 really were really only a narcisstic supply for her and they are no longer providing that supply, so kate is moving on to what she thinks might be her next "fix".
And Ms.Goody has the nerve to say Jon is the ex-from hell then what is Kate?
Re: mark heller is known as kinda a publicity whore, so he may be willing to be Jon's attorney for free or a reduction in fees in return for publicity. HOWEVER- even if heller is paying Jon instead, he should not let him represent him, because he isn't exactly a very good attorney. See his representation of Lindsay & Dina Lohan as an example. Sometimes you really do get what you pay for...
I wonder if there is some kind of parental alienation advocacy group that can advise Jon?
We've long predicted that Kate's next step would be alienate him from Colin- (she does need someone to be on chicken duty). She has also stated that Colin and Cara have a very close relationship, and we have certainly seen cara care for him far more often than Kate has. Perhaps he is uncomfortable without her.
By all means, share your "proof" that she is alienating the children from their father.
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Among other things, going on TV and forcing them to discuss, undermine, and contradict their father, including discussing very private and personal information about their contact with him (Kate encouraged them to answer Barbara's question about contact--we found out today the rest of the View ladies were rightly horrified by the question) is parent alienation. The proof was all there right on screen. If you don't understand why that's parental alienation pure and simple, start googling the concept. Parental alienation is much more sinister, complicated, and manipulative than just, "I don't like your father you don't too right?" That's parental alienation for amateurs.
''In addition, [Jon] hasn't had privileges with his son Collin [one of the sextuplets] since August," Heller adds. "It is his belief that [Kate] has violated the custodial agreement and is actually in contempt of the court order...She has clearly breached those very extensive provisions to the extent he has been deprived very serious parental rights.''
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Oh dear Gussie! Remember a while back when I wondered if the reason Collin was often w/WOS was that she was punishing Collin by keeping him away from his father? I have to stop typing before Admin sends me to timeout for cursing that waste of skin out !! !!!!!!
It's always been obvious that Collin loves his daddy. The only reason I can think of for him not going to Jon's is that he's been so emotionally traumatized that he only feels safe with his emotional 'mother' Cara. So wherever Cara is, so is Collin, even if it means not seeing his dad.
Each of those kids needs therapy so badly it would practically be malpractice for a judge not to order it
Yet isn't it strange that Barb never said anything to Kate all those times Kate threw Jon under the bus, up to and including this recent tv round. I tell ya....these sheep.
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I know, but I want to just support anyone who has decided to switch to Team Kids even if they've been a dolt in the past.
I think public opinion is going to play a role here however small (or maybe big), and I think as many people who speak up and say wait a second this is not good for the kids, the better. The judge does not live in a bubble. For him to continue to give custody and control to Kate over massive public opinion to the contrary is going to weigh on his mind. It's not just random people, it's respected people saying they take issue with this now like PhD's and journalists who have been on the bench for 30 years. This is not your normal family law case. The judge has to get elected, and to go against the tide on this is something any judge would think long and hard about. To provide a smaller scale example, if you look at comments about Halley Berry, the consensus seems to be she's a nut who alienates her child's father. Well sure enough, no judge is going along with the crap she pulls, none, and it's hard to imagine that didn't play a role. I really have a hard time believing that she wouldn't have been more successful in court had every comment and commentary about the situation been more along the lines of what a great mother she is and how terrible a father the other guy is.
All I can say is Jon should have pushed to see Colin much much sooner than this. He of all people know how his ex treats males, and he should have insisted. Mind boggling that he didn't. Jon, you need to get over your passiveness when it comes to your children, and somehow awaken the "mama bear" that will not meekly just take it.
There is no way on this green earth that I would ever, and I mean ever, allow my son's father to keep me from seeing my child. I cannot believe JOn allowed this since August. Take the bitch to court, yesterday. DEMAND that the custody order be followed TO THE LETTER. Honestly, of all things I've heard about Jon, this is something that I find the most appalling.
And I don't want to hear "Well, I didn't want to force him." BALONEY JON. That's you not wanting to be confrontational with your ex. Shame on you. Now, make it right.
I can almost bet money on what Milo will say about this: "Rest assured, it was the KIDS who made the decision. Kate always does her best to encourage a loving and warm relationship with their father it just didn't work out that way. #supportivemom"
In other words she'll blame the kids and act like parental alienation, what's that? Poor innocent Kate she tries so hard to foster harmony it's not her fault if the kids resist it.
OMG, Jon is presently on a show Couples therapy with this girlfriend Liz?
I watched this week, by accident, I could not believe he does not stop talking about Kate. Plus Liz is cursing like a trucker (excuse me truckers) but she then finds him masturbating and she says to him "you could lock the door when you M......ating, then I don't have to watch"...........what is that about? This is good for the kids? OMG this is all out of control. Maybe she didn't give the opportunity to babysit so he could earn some money and be able to take the 6 to a movie or something. Can't imagine he has much money as he spent a ton of money when he got his share. He was living in that expensive bldg up in NY that my daughter's boss lives in, very narrow blg and very popular. Well the rent is enormous like a year's pay and that is for a month. He sounds crazied and Liz keeps biting her nails with a hoody on and a baseball cap on top of that (doesn't she have 3 kids herself?) well they are a mess and she keeps telling him to stop, stop talking about Kate, stop with that "victim look on your face".........OMG. This is horrible.
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Angie, go back to previous threads here and read posts about the CT shows, especially admin's recap.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 86
How could anyone keep a little boy from his father?
He's not abusive or he wouldn't have frequent unmonitored contact with his children.
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I agree he should be allowed to see his kids, but we can't use the abuse argument above, because we have all witnessed Kate verbally and emotionally abuse the kids on National tv, and she has unmonitored visits.
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Ding ding! We have a winner! In Kate's sad little demented mind, if she can't have a healthy relationship with her parents and siblings, then neither than can her kids. Her madness has no bounds.
Can anyone post on an iPad? When I click publish my post disappears and nothing gets posted. That's why I'm stuck on my phone and you're stuck with my autocorrect
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I had this problem on my iPad and I think I figured it out. Sometimes I'm not signed in and then if I try to post, the post disappears and it never prompts me to sign in, which is what it should do. Make sure you are signed in before posting. That was my issue.
Thanks but I don't sign in (maybe that's the issue) I choose name/URL and type Localyocul .
I think a lot of Jon's problem was financial. The only thing I could do free and on my own was child support modification. All custody stuff required a lawyer
And I don't want to hear "Well, I didn't want to force him." BALONEY JON. That's you not wanting to be confrontational with your ex. Shame on you. Now, make it right.
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I know but from my perspective I'd advised a lot of parents not to force it. It almost always works out. Kids often need 6 weeks or so and then they get over it. Truly you can on one day see a 13 year old who wants to kill their dad, and then 6 weeks later dad is showing you photos of how they all went out to ice-cream at the beach, everybody thrilled, everything fine again.
Now that said, if I feel that parental alienation is going on my advice usually changes and I tell them do it. Force them. Kicking and screaming, force them, and CA law will back you up on it. Even then I will still get parents who love their children more than they love their visitation rights and don't want to make a child they love upset by making them do something they loathe. It's tough.
I GET not wanting to force him, I get it. IT's such a fine line. I don't envy any parent put in a position of whether to force a child or not.
But since we are at the six month mark now yes, it's too long so go for it. Not tomorrow, not two weeks from now. TODAY.
And yes I suspect Heller is free for Jon. If it's all he can afford, I think it's better than nothing. Heler I'm sure is seeing the family is hot again and has popped up. The good thing is in his statement he is describing this case correctly, IMO. That's a start.
The soup is on in 5!
angie said... 89
she is providing necessitites and most kids today don't even get bracers due to the expense and lack of dental insurance with employers.
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No she's not Angie. those necessities are being paid for out of the trust that the kids worked for. Those kids have been providing for their own necessities and their mothers for years.
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Here is an article that is interesting. In May 2012, Kate went on the Today Show, Dr. Drew, and others and this is part of what she said. The purpose of all these media appearances was to announce that she and Jon now get along and have made peace with each other. Note this comment in May 2012, "The kids are now okay going there." I don't think the video works in the below clip but you can read the article that sums up what she says. Interesting Kate did nothing to "make peace". It was Jon who had to do all the changing in the relationship to "make peace". Amazing! And don't forget in August 2011, she went on Regis and Kelley with Anderson and said the kids don't like going to Jon's and call her to be picked up. This has been going on for years folks...years!
"http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/kate-gosselin-divorce_n_1294264.html
T said... 105
''.......We've long predicted that Kate's next step would be alienate him from Colin- (she does need someone to be on chicken duty). She has also stated that Colin and Cara have a very close relationship, and we have certainly seen cara care for him far more often than Kate has. Perhaps he is uncomfortable without her.''
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T, I so hope that your theory is correct. Colin being uncomfortable w/o Cara is SO much better than what I feared: that WOS was punishing Colin (and Jon) by keeping from his father!
#superfunparentaleralienator,
When I was an adolescent girl growing up, the name Barbara Walters conjured up a ground breaking female in journalism. She was an example of what a girl could grow up to accomplish. She opened doors for women in journalism. To think what she has now become is sad. I can still respect her determination as a young woman to succeed in a male dominated career. But the Barbara Walters of today seems an entirely different person, and I have no respect for her present self.
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Yes she was revered when I was a kid too.
She built a legacy for herself. I think if you've built a legacy, you have a duty to yourself, your memory, and your ancestors to honor that legacy. That often means bowing out when on top, saying goodbye at a reasonable time. It's not always because of old age, sometimes it's because you just don't have "it" anymore or have lost the fight or interest you used to have, or what have you. Sports stars face this all the time, and many are able to put their self respect first and bow out before it gets sad. And sometimes that can be hard because change is hard and accepting that it's over is hard, and that's understandable, but you owe it to yourself. Countless celebs before her have done it. Johnny Carson comes to mind, as well as Elizabeth Taylor and Michael Landon. Countless sports stars of course. Michael Phelps has retired. All gave very dignified final goodbyes and then most retreated to private life or other endeavors.
I do find it quite sad what she's become and it really is the talk of the internet at this point. When your obit comes up someday do you honestly want the public to be thinking.....oh gosh those final years sure were sad?
Ding ding! We have a winner! In Kate's sad little demented mind, if she can't have a healthy relationship with her parents and siblings, then neither than can her kids. Her madness has no bounds.
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That's sort of what I'm thinking but what I'm more thinking is not so much that but rather she is sort of "imaging" herself having the power to not see her dad. She imagines herself as young Kate, their age, being able to say nope dad not visiting you.
When she sees her kids not seeing their dad she takes that feeling and projects it to herself thinking yes this feels so good because I so badly did not want to see MY dad, how good this feels to pretend this is me not seeing my dad. Just a guess. We know there's major daddy issues.
She really needs a lot of therapy. I sometimes feel sorry for her then I remember how evil she is. Lots and lots of therapy to help her.
Sadie said... 108
It's always been obvious that Collin loves his daddy. The only reason I can think of for him not going to Jon's is that he's been so emotionally traumatized that he only feels safe with his emotional 'mother' Cara. So wherever Cara is, so is Collin, even if it means not seeing his dad.
Each of those kids needs therapy so badly it would practically be malpractice for a judge not to order it
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This is a chilling, and probably true, thought. "His emotional mother--Cara." Wow. It could well be. I can't imagine why a little boy treated so badly by his mother (we've seen it on the show, sheeple) would not want to go with his father. This scenario makes sense to me.
Regarding the issue of whether a non-custodial parent should force a child to visit him even when the child refuses: one of my friends was in a situation similar to Jon's. He and his wife were divorced when their kids were 10 and 12 and his ex - a classic obsessed alienator - brainwashed the kids against their father to the point where they didn't want to have anything to do with him.
He decided not to force the issue, fearing that they would just resent him more.
Fast forward ten years: the kids were in college, and life with their mother (who has never moved on from the divorce) was hell. She was clingy and controlling: every time they tried to assert their independence, say by wanting to spend a weekend with their friends, she would throw a huge drama fit, accuse them of abandoning her and being ungrateful after "all she had done" for them.
At college, the kids met a professor who was a friend of their father's and urged them to reconnect with him. They did - and discovered their dad was a warm, loving person - not at all the monster their mother had made him out to be.
When life with their mother became too unbearable, the kids moved out of her home and went to live with their dad. They now have a wonderful relationship with him, and he and they regret all the precious years they did not see one another.
And the mother's response to the kids reconnecting with their father? She immediately cut off all contact with them. Now, three years later, she refuses to see them or talk to them.
So there is hope for the victims of parental alienation.
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"I guess I didn't make it clear, but I was referring to the SCHOOL counselor.
WOS cannot prohibit the kids from talking to the school counselor."
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In PA, yes, she can. According to the legal guidelines in PA, if one of the kids wanted to talk to a school counselor, they could do so IF Kate didn't specifically say not to do so. These children are minors, and the law applies to them:
"A parent can specifically forbid a minor student to see the school counselor, or specifically forbid the counselor to work with a minor student. But as long as the parent hasn’t stated that
specifically, school counseling is considered a regular educational service provided by the school, so legally the counselor can see a minor student without parent consent."
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I almost don't know what to say to that.
dang, what is wrong with PA schools!!
shaking my head in another state....
I can't even imagine a parent informing the school to NOT let their child speak to a counselor.....
what is the child is being abused and doesn't want to tell their parent?
to me, if a parent forbids a child to speak to a counselor, there's something wrong in the parent/child relationship. something VERY wrong.
shudder.
Please remember Robert's post on his blog that he did it for Collin. Of course she's going to punish innocent Collin.
To quote the sheeple: "that's how she rolls."
That poor little boy.
My other thoughts are unprintable
Jon - start by getting close to Cara again. Buy a ski ticket for you and her and go skiing/board on Saturday. If she's involved with the Friday ski group at school, bet your ass there and be a chaperone. You get to hang with your kid and their friends. Something mama dearest doesn't do.
I almost don't know what to say to that.
dang, what is wrong with PA schools!!
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For starters, the woman who Victim Number 1 in the Penn State scandal disclosed the abuse to, and did NOTHING, is still teaching. Parents even protested her as I recall.
Yet the people who did do something, whether you think it's enough or not, got skewered.
(Leslie)
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Go to Kate's twitterfeed now. The three above woman have the SAME EXACT picture. Is this an example of her fake twitterbots being bought?
I have a question. Can Jon claim that his right to first refusal was violated when Kate did Celebrity Wife Swap?
I have mixed feelings about this. I think its great that Jon is finally fighting. I am however concerned that this will further strain his relationship with the kids. I have no doubt that Kate will guilt trip the tups every day from here on out this. They will be under a great deal of pressure from Mom to be perfect kids who are perfect in their current home situation.
just watched........Joel on The Soup does not disappoint!
I have a question. Can Jon claim that his right to first refusal was violated when Kate did Celebrity Wife Swap?
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Funny I had the same question. These are questions lawyers argue over for days.
On the one hand, following the plain meaning of the order Kate is out of town and leaving the children with a caregiver, so Jon has his right to intervene and have the kids stay with him.
But obviously she can't leave the kids with Jon or that defeats the whole purpose of the kids being with Kendra.
Any ideas why she has kept Collin from Jon?
You it sad My former sister in law does the same with my brother. She will make up lies and all kinds of fake s**t on me or my mother when we babysit.
She'll lie to my brother in trying to separate us from him in hopes he'll take her side so she can have to all to herself.
I can only imagine what Jon is going through. I was once told a parent can be very jealous of their child. Perhaps Kate is jealous of the kids love for Jon.
d most kids today don't even get bracers due to the expense and lack of dental insurance with employers.
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I disagree. Most parents no matter how tight money is will find a way to pay for necessary ortho work even if they have to take a second job because that's what good parents do.
You do not get an award for giving your child braces. That is part of the expensive of children. Especially no trophy when you use their money to pay for it.
Keeping Collin from seeing Jon may be part of dividing and conquering. For whatever reason he was the easiest to persuade to stay with her. This helps create division among the tups and may eventually lead to more tups wanting to stay with Colin. Especially when he gets rewarded with Chipotle or whatever.
She alienated Collin specifically because robert specifically talked about Collin in his book
Hmmm....It struck me as odd when kate wrote in her blog they saw that stupid bird one day when her, Cara, Mady and Colin were at the pet store. I thought that was an odd combinatin of kids.
Kate has played the "poor Me' card more then once. Collin , as much as he loved his daddy, is a caretaker.
I you are familiar with the roles kids take on in toxic environnttns that might be his. He has become the man of the house , and if Kate has been playing the "poor me" cad saying, I get lonely, I have no one to help me, then Collin will have guilt that will make him feel so awful , he will stay home with Kate rather then be with his daddy.
That or he has been the one to "speak out" a few too many times to his dad, so Kate put a plug in that and stopped his visits!
This is sinister, and sickening.
I am glad that Barb Gilmer has seen the light. Barb, if ever you read here, congratulations! You have come towards the light!
But obviously she can't leave the kids with Jon or that defeats the whole purpose of the kids being with Kendra.
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And a week away from the kids, her mug on tv, a night at the bar. This was all about Kate.
She has this Scarlett O'Hara mindset "I won't think about that today. I'll think about it tomorrow". . . as she flips the bird at the law.
This is just speculation. Colin has always seemed to want to please Kate. According to a tweet, he was helping her when one of her appliances was acting up. Of course it could be his bond with Cara too.
I also have respect for the semi reformed sheep. I imagine it would be similar to AA and the 12 steps.
Of course Milo will be there when the bird talks - hiding under Kate's bed like the Creeper she is.
It's been bugging me who Wawa resembles these days and I now know the answer! She's a dead ringer for Lady Elaine Fairchilde , and Wawa too resides in Neighborhood Of Make-Believe.
I hope you're right AuntieAnn and no employer would touch her but aI gotta tell you that there's a crazy need for nurses and they will literally take anyone with a current license, care giver CPR card and beating heart. Oh wait, she has no heart so no worries for the vulnerable sick of PA.
This is so, so sad. Evidently, Jon didn't see Colin or the twins at Christmas even?
It's incredibly unfair and frustrating, but the sad truth about child custody it that it usually (yes I know not "always") comes down to two things 1. money and 2. gender bias.
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Yes it does. Now would be a great time to check local movie times and go see Divorce Corp. It explains all that and more.
I know it's Dr. Drew and I am not his biggest fan either, but he did a decent job with this. No not everything I agreed with. He made some broad generalizations about attorneys and judges and child custody evaluators that I have seen first hand is not true. There are bad ones out there. Yes, no question. There are also some judges who really care about kids and doing the right thing, and same goes for attorneys. Who REALLY want to listen to the child and all the parties and do what is RIGHT for the family. There are many professionals who are very passionate about helping families and many of them do NOT make the big bucks and even if they did have so much law school debt it doesn't mater anyway.
But the overall sentiment about the "system" was the correct one. It is not a fair system. Other countries do it better. Child support is corrupt with little accountability. It's ancient and perpetuates things that are antiquated that should make any feminist furious. It will frustrate you yet really help to organize and explain all the problems with the family law system and why we should be outraged.
Barbara is starting to remind me of the Feed the Birds lady from Mary Poppins. Just a sad, sad thing but no one will take her in and give her a comfortable place to hang out out of the public eye in her last years.
She has this Scarlett O'Hara mindset "I won't think about that today. I'll think about it tomorrow". . . as she flips the bird at the law.
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Oh does she EVER live day to day. I've never seen anything like it. She never thinks ahead, not once.
Like the not-a-contest. I mean who cares if it's almost February, no one's asking about it today so what does it matter.
She takes live in the moment to a whole other level.
There is no way on this green earth that I would ever, and I mean ever, allow my son's father to keep me from seeing my child. I cannot believe JOn allowed this since August. Take the bitch to court, yesterday. DEMAND that the custody order be followed TO THE LETTER. Honestly, of all things I've heard about Jon, this is something that I find the most appalling.
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But Millicent, that's you. Not every situation is the same. I would suspect that Jon knows exactly how much of a witch she is, and it most likely hurt him beyond belief not to see his son. However, knowing that if he forced the issue, all hell would break loose on Kate's home front; the kids (especially Collin) would be caught in the crossfire, making it even worse for the children at home. He lived with her; he knows what she is capable of doing, and perhaps he thought that even though he wanted more visitation, for the sake of the children, he just let her have her way.
This time, though, with her latest shenanigans, she pushed him too far.
But Millicent, that's you. Not every situation is the same.
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Exactly.
I mean, what if you had the ability to see the future and knew that if you just gave your son a break of a few months, he would come around and see you again and everything would be great and would tell you thank you for giving me that time to sort things out. What if you knew however if you dragged him kicking and screaming NOW he'd hate you for years afterward? Truly, kids usually do come around.
That is really almost a Sophie's Choice type awful decision how to handle it.
Divide and conquer for sure.... it is a strategy often used.
I dont feel like searching for it, but I am absolutely CERTAIN that on one of the episodes when the kids went to the Dentist/ortho it was said that Jon's dad had made certain that ALL of the dental care the kids required would be given to them for free.
Jon's dad's dental partner had agreed to honor that, and it was that practice they would go to.
Sorry, but when I see kate letting her 6 wear clothes that are too big for them, not being able to participate in unfilmed activites.... and being heard saying she cant afford the extr activities... I highly doubt she would pay for any of them to have braces. ( and I am talking about the 6)
Also, isnt it only Cara and Mady, plus her fav tup Hannah that have the braces, and none of the others?
Kate did tweet the others would be getting them too over Christmas.. and if they did, she sure didnt have any brace on party for them.
In fact, I would want to go back and read that tweet and she what play of words she used to lead us to THINK the others were getting braces.
Oh she's a mastermind all right! I hope she masterminds herself right into jail! Just like Martha Stewart! Eventually even Martha's perceived invincibility turned and bit her in the butt!
In Touch really isn't the most accurate of magazines to be honest. Is here proof anywhere else of this?
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They have actual quotes. There is no way they would make up a quote, that is a lawsuit waiting to happen. If they were just going by a source they would say Jon said this, no quotes.
Plus I posted here last night this was about to happen.
Admin, I have to agree with you in that it may be time for Jon to petition the court to enforce his custody agreement. I hadn't realized it was as bad as it was.
I really hope Mark Heller is not representing him. The man couldn't practice law if his life depended on it. I had the impression from the Philly Mag article that they had called him for his opinion, not that he was representing Jon anymore.
I'm surprised that, given his income, Jon hasn't taken advantage of some of the resources listed on the Berks County Family Court website. There's a link to Mid Penn Legal Services http://www.midpenn.org. That might be a place for him to start. He could also access the Family Guidance Center http://www.familyguidancecenter.com/site/ for counseling services. This page from the Family Court website also mentions what one other commenter posted, that is the fee waivers.
http://www.co.berks.pa.us/Dept/Courts/FamCourt/Pages/Education.aspx
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 16m
http://eonli.ne/1g25XHx Heller rides again.... #JokeAttorney
Milo thinks this whole thing is one big joke. Mentally, she's about 10, with no hope of ever maturing.
I thought she doesn't read any negativity; platitudes abound, she has the haters blocked, but yet she always seems to be current with the latest happenings and what each tabloid has to report.
Hi, Milo! Enjoy your read here today? Learn anything?
#JokeAttorney
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Even joke attorneys get their way in court when there are clear violations of clear orders, Milo.
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 148
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 16m
http://eonli.ne/1g25XHx Heller rides again.... #JokeAttorney
Milo thinks this whole thing is one big joke. Mentally, she's about 10, with no hope of ever maturing.
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And she is a supposed mother as well. Now that scary to me.
We also need to remember the the 9yrs old are just children and us in this group are adult and we're some what confused.
Can you just imagine how confused these 9yrs and 12yrs old are?
I almost don't know what to say to that.
dang, what is wrong with PA schools!!
shaking my head in another state...
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I just had time to check that out, Angie, and that's not just the law in PA; the journal of school counselors in other states follow it as well. ,
Localyocul said... 137
She alienated Collin specifically because robert specifically talked about Collin in his book
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Oh dear. You're right. I had forgotten about that one.
And after Sadie's comment about Cara being the "emotional mother" to C, my heart literally now breaks when I think of that child.
Thanks for your comment Remona, but unfortunately, even if Colin is staying for comfort from Cara, any of the children who are being kept from their father are most definitely being punished.
The other thing that I wonder, is that maybe they stay with Kate because it's easier to adhere to Kate's agenda then to have to lie directly to their father's face. The twins instinct is to avoid hurting their father directly, as evidenced by using their silence on national tv and unwillingness to cooperate with their mother. Maybe they think the best way to avoid the lies and secrets from Jon is to not see him at all?
It's one thing to use and manipulate your children to alienate them from their father, but to actually use them as an instrument to destroy their love for him on national television is horror on a whole other level. There is no doubt in my mind that she plotted and scripted those kids to disparage Jon for her, but I do think there is hope to be found in their refusal to go through with it.
Lily @LilyatIW 33m
@Melon_Monroe @Kateplusmy8 Yes, google is your friend. http://www.nowfoundation.org/issues/family/pad.html … No such thing as Parental Alienation Syndrome #childabuse
Please tell me these sheeple aren't this vacuous. I googled the term and came up with pages and pages of hits, including scholarly articles and legal cases.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 58m
@Kateplusmy8 What a socially adept bird U will have/so many there 2interact with! Can't wait til he starts really talking! #GrowinUpGosselin
Milo, get this through that thick head of yours. Conures are not great talkers. It may take months or even years for the bird to learn to say a few words, and even then, the speech isn't clear like it is with Greys or Amazons. It sounds more like a low, demonic growl. In fact, I had one little Jenday whose "voice" was like something out of the Exorcist. It was very creepy.
Concern yourself less with this bird talking and more with the dangers of having Zorro make his home on the shoulders and heads of these children.
Ha Andy Cohen just referred to episode 12 of Little House on the Prairie where Miss Beadle let the kids out of school in a blizzard.
That is one of the most talked about episodes ever for the teacher's stupid decision. He has Melissa Gilbert on. She actually knows how to twitter and instagram in a manner that is normal and interesting.
I love that Andy Cohen.
I'm sad to learn that Collin hasn't been spending time with his dad either. I had always thought the one who would want to stay home with mommy and the twins was The Golden Child.
And gosh, I sure hope Jon's not hooking back up with Heller. Sigh.
Like the not-a-contest. I mean who cares if it's almost February, no one's asking about it today so what does it matter.
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By the way, what HAS become of the not-a-contest? If I had gone to the trouble of writing her with enclosed photos of randomly acting kind (eye roll) I'd want to know if I was the recipient of her not-a-cookbook.. Why aren't her fans jacking her up about it?
Kate? Milo?
Beuller?
If he does get custody, it will sure be interesting how Kate will handle her visitation with the six. It's hard to tell. At one point I think she will want nothing to do with them because she may feel betrayed by them. On the other hand I think she will see them and do all she can to brainwash and punish them.
I was the same age as the tups when my dad tried to take us away from my mother. The judge did take me and my sibs into chambers separately to ask us who we wanted to live with and why. That is all I remember about the legal battle but I do remember the battle of emotions between mom, dad and my stepmother.
Long story short, at moms house we were latchkey kids with a filthy house and not always enough to eat. Well, let me say, not good healthy meals. There are six and I am the youngest. During the trial we had to live with dad and my stepmother. I lived in fear there. I can't say I was abused, either psychically or emotionally. It was just a scary environment. We new my stepmother really didn't like us but I can't put my finger on anything except maybe the verbal battle between them and mom.
The final decision of the court was my mom won. The judge said, "I would rather have these kids in a dirty home with love than a clean house with no love". Though I have had to battle issues from how mom raised us I wouldn't change his decision. All six of us have show kindness and have great hearts and deeply love each other.
As for Jon not trying for the twins, Kate has already alienated them to where they don't want to even visit him. The damage is already done. All Jon can do for now with them is let them know he is there if they ever want him to be. Goodness, she has always pushed away and separate the tups and twins. The twins have always had special treatment after the show ended. Halloween, twins went trick or treating, the tups stayed home. They just had all kinds of special perks the tups didn't get. At least sense the show ended. And for Mady, she clung to Kate's side every chance she got. Especially when Jon left. She protects her mommy!
I truly believe that if the twins showed any interest of living with him, he wouldn't even consider separating them. I've never seen any type of favoritism come from Jon with any of his children.
One of WOS twitter fans insisted that there was no such thing as Parental Alienation! Another twitter posted this article, which starts with: ''Did You Know That...Parental Alienation is a form of Child Abuse?''
''Parental alienation (or Hostile Aggressive Parenting) is a group of behaviors that are damaging to children's mental and emotional well-being, and can interfere with a relationship of a child and either parent.''
http://www.paawareness.org/
I really wonder if Barbara Walters isn't quite far into a dementia of some kind. She seems unable to track with the conversation and says inappropriate things, at inappropriate times.
One of the first clues that dementia is happening. By the time that it's this noticable the person is actually quite far into it, further than anyone has any idea.
Considering how on top of things she used to be, I think there is something going on there.
Mel I've wondered the same thing. I haven't announced this on the blog yet, I wasn't looking for sympathy and just felt it wasn't the right time, but my dad has Alzheimer's. He is a very young guy, was diagnosed over a year ago. He was not even 60 when he was diagnosed.
He still does quite well, can drive, go work out, go on vacation, enjoy life. But we see the signs. For instance he's become extremely honest to a point where it's not socially acceptable. Like if someone takes him out to eat at his favorite place and goes out of her way, he will say I didn't really like that meal at all. That can hurt people's feelings. Stuff like that. We know he can't help it. He acts like Barbara, he would blurt out something inappropriate like that. The difference is he retired when he found out.
In Washington state, all teachers, principals and counselors are mandatory reporters if there is ANY suspicion of abuse. So are physicians and nurses. Regardless of how that information was obtained-- even if it came from a third party. Is that not the case in PA?
Of course Milo will be there when the bird talks - hiding under Kate's bed like the Creeper she is.
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Speaking of the Creeper. Where is Irish? Did he give it up as a lost cause?
This is from PA statute § 42.42. Suspected child abuse—mandated reporting requirements.
(a) General rule. Under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6311 (relating to persons required to report suspected child abuse), licensees who, in the course of the employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall report or cause a report to be made to the Department of Public Welfare when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse.
(b) Staff members of public or private agencies, institutions and facilities. Licensees who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the licensee, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), (c) and (d).
(c) Reporting procedure. Reports of suspected child abuse shall be made by telephone and by written report.
(1) Oral reports. Oral reports of suspected child abuse shall be made immediately by telephone to ChildLine, (800) 932-0313.
(2) Written reports. Written reports shall be made within 48 hours after the oral report is made by telephone. Written reports shall be made on forms available from a county children and youth social service agency.
(d) Written reports. Written reports shall be made in the manner and on forms prescribed by the Department of Public Welfare. The following information shall be included in the written reports, if available:
(1) The names and addresses of the child and the parents or other person responsible for the care of the child, if known.
(2) Where the suspected abuse occurred.
(3) The age and sex of the subjects of the report.
(4) The nature and extent of the suspected child abuse including any evidence of prior abuse to the child or siblings of the child.
(5) The name and relationship of the persons responsible for causing the suspected abuse, if known, and any evidence of prior abuse by those persons.
(6) Family composition.
(7) The source of the report.
(8) The person making the report and where that person can be reached.
(9) The actions taken by the reporting source, including the taking of photographs and X-rays, removal or keeping of the child or notifying the medical examiner or coroner.
(10) Other information which the Department of Public Welfare may require by regulation.
Authority
The provisions of this § 42.42 issued under the Child Protective Services Law, 23 Pa.C.S. § 6383(b)(2); and section 5 of the Occupational Therapists Practice Act (63 P. S. § 1505); amended under sections 5(b) and 6(a)(2) of the Occupational Therapy Practice Act (63 P. S. § § 1505(b) and 1506(a)(2)).
Source
The provisions of this § 42.42 adopted November 8, 1996, effective November 9, 1996, 26 Pa.B. 5425; amended December 7, 2001, effective December 8, 2001, 31 Pa.B. 6663. Immediately preceding text appears at serial pages (223111) to (223113).
Cross References
This section cited in 49 Pa. Code § 42.41 (relating to definitions relating to child abuse reporting requirements); 49 Pa. Code § 42.46 (relating to confidentiality—waived); and 49 Pa. Code § 42.47 (relating to noncompliance).
Mel said... 159
I really wonder if Barbara Walters isn't quite far into a dementia of some kind.
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I was thinking the same. My mom is alittle younger than Barbara (80) fbut does say things sometimes she shouldn't. She isn't diagnosed with anything but had a stroke that has made her do it more I think.
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So sorry about your dad Admin. I hope it progresses slow so he can enjoy life for a long time.
My empathy, and heart, go out to you and your family, Admin. I have no other words.
From PA statute § 42.42. Suspected child abuse—mandated reporting requirements.
(a) General rule. Under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6311 (relating to persons required to report suspected child abuse), licensees who, in the course of the employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall report or cause a report to be made to the Department of Public Welfare when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse.
(b) Staff members of public or private agencies, institutions and facilities. Licensees who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the licensee, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), (c) and (d).
(c) Reporting procedure. Reports of suspected child abuse shall be made by telephone and by written report.
(1) Oral reports. Oral reports of suspected child abuse shall be made immediately by telephone to ChildLine, (800) 932-0313.
(2) Written reports. Written reports shall be made within 48 hours after the oral report is made by telephone. Written reports shall be made on forms available from a county children and youth social service agency.
(d) Written reports. Written reports shall be made in the manner and on forms prescribed by the Department of Public Welfare. The following information shall be included in the written reports, if available:
(1) The names and addresses of the child and the parents or other person responsible for the care of the child, if known.
(2) Where the suspected abuse occurred.
(3) The age and sex of the subjects of the report.
(4) The nature and extent of the suspected child abuse including any evidence of prior abuse to the child or siblings of the child.
(5) The name and relationship of the persons responsible for causing the suspected abuse, if known, and any evidence of prior abuse by those persons.
(6) Family composition.
(7) The source of the report.
(8) The person making the report and where that person can be reached.
(9) The actions taken by the reporting source, including the taking of photographs and X-rays, removal or keeping of the child or notifying the medical examiner or coroner.
(10) Other information which the Department of Public Welfare may require by regulation.
Authority
The provisions of this § 42.42 issued under the Child Protective Services Law, 23 Pa.C.S. § 6383(b)(2); and section 5 of the Occupational Therapists Practice Act (63 P. S. § 1505); amended under sections 5(b) and 6(a)(2) of the Occupational Therapy Practice Act (63 P. S. § § 1505(b) and 1506(a)(2)).
Source
The provisions of this § 42.42 adopted November 8, 1996, effective November 9, 1996, 26 Pa.B. 5425; amended December 7, 2001, effective December 8, 2001, 31 Pa.B. 6663. Immediately preceding text appears at serial pages (223111) to (223113).
Cross References
This section cited in 49 Pa. Code § 42.41 (relating to definitions relating to child abuse reporting requirements); 49 Pa. Code § 42.46 (relating to confidentiality—waived); and 49 Pa. Code § 42.47 (relating to noncompliance).
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Go to Kate's twitterfeed now. The three above woman have the SAME EXACT picture. Is this an example of her fake twitterbots being bought
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They must be. They not only have the same photos but the exact same descriptions: "Single Mom of two wonderful kids who keep me busy 24/7!
Bergen County, NJ." Roughly the same number of tweets, same number of followers and following and all have a formula for their twitter names: First name +3 letters of last name followed by 21.
That is SO blatant. How fortunate for Kate that all three of those bots are linking to the unflattering E online article!
Admin, I'm so sorry about your dad. It's a terrible disease.
Treasure the moments you have left with him. Even at the end, they remember kernels of reality, especially your voice and your touch. Sing to him, gently rub his hand.
We struggled with dementia with my mom who had 3 kinds of dementia. Barbara's behavior reminds me very much of mom before we knew that she had dementia.
I will always regret that I didn't recognize it earlier, but how was I to know? I had no experience with it then. Now I recognize it in a heartbeat.
I cry often about it... that I didn't know with mom; I would have stepped in earlier if I had known; I could have spared her some of the distress. It just breaks my heart that I didn't know what was happening until late in the game.
One of WOS twitter fans insisted that there was no such thing as Parental Alienation!
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What if you've actually SEEN parental alienation like I have? You can't tell me what I saw wasn't real.
I'm sorry what I'm seeing was not fake or imagined. It was really freaking sick too, and as I've said all week now, the only way to make it stop is to switch custody to the other parent.
Thank you Mel. Right now we are just living life to the fullest. Going on the trips we always talked about, going to the football games we always said we would, having the parties we always said we'd throw. Even just going out to eat at the places we always said we wanted to try. And having lots of conversations about his childhood, Vietnam, things that a kid just doesn't think to ask their dad until it's too late. Just enjoying life and our time together.
Having iPad issues, sorry if multiple posts:
From PA statute § 42.42. Suspected child abuse—mandated reporting requirements.
(a) General rule. Under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6311 (relating to persons required to report suspected child abuse), licensees who, in the course of the employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall report or cause a report to be made to the Department of Public Welfare when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse.
(b) Staff members of public or private agencies, institutions and facilities. Licensees who are staff members of a medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency, and who, in the course of their employment, occupation or practice of their profession, come into contact with children shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution, school facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge when they have reasonable cause to suspect on the basis of their professional or other training or experience, that a child coming before them in their professional or official capacity is a victim of child abuse. Upon notification by the licensee, the person in charge or the designated agent shall assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a report to be made in accordance with subsections (a), (c) and (d).
(c) Reporting procedure. Reports of suspected child abuse shall be made by telephone and by written report.
(1) Oral reports. Oral reports of suspected child abuse shall be made immediately by telephone to ChildLine, (800) 932-0313.
(2) Written reports. Written reports shall be made within 48 hours after the oral report is made by telephone. Written reports shall be made on forms available from a county children and youth social service agency.
(d) Written reports. Written reports shall be made in the manner and on forms prescribed by the Department of Public Welfare. The following information shall be included in the written reports, if available:
(1) The names and addresses of the child and the parents or other person responsible for the care of the child, if known.
(2) Where the suspected abuse occurred.
(3) The age and sex of the subjects of the report.
(4) The nature and extent of the suspected child abuse including any evidence of prior abuse to the child or siblings of the child.
(5) The name and relationship of the persons responsible for causing the suspected abuse, if known, and any evidence of prior abuse by those persons.
(6) Family composition.
(7) The source of the report.
(8) The person making the report and where that person can be reached.
(9) The actions taken by the reporting source, including the taking of photographs and X-rays, removal or keeping of the child or notifying the medical examiner or coroner.
(10) Other information which the Department of Public Welfare may require by regulation.
Authority
The provisions of this § 42.42 issued under the Child Protective Services Law, 23 Pa.C.S. § 6383(b)(2); and section 5 of the Occupational Therapists Practice Act (63 P. S. § 1505); amended under sections 5(b) and 6(a)(2) of the Occupational Therapy Practice Act (63 P. S. § § 1505(b) and 1506(a)(2)).
Source
The provisions of this § 42.42 adopted November 8, 1996, effective November 9, 1996, 26 Pa.B. 5425; amended December 7, 2001, effective December 8, 2001, 31 Pa.B. 6663. Immediately preceding text appears at serial pages (223111) to (223113).
Cross References
This section cited in 49 Pa. Code § 42.41 (relating to definitions relating to child abuse reporting requirements); 49 Pa. Code § 42.46 (relating to confidentiality—waived); and 49 Pa. Code § 42.47 (relating to noncompliance).
But the overall sentiment about the "system" was the correct one. It is not a fair system. Other countries do it better. Child support is corrupt with little accountability. It's ancient and perpetuates things that are antiquated that should make any feminist furious. It will frustrate you yet really help to organize and explain all the problems with the family law system and why we should be outraged.
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Well, I don't know much about child support except in my own California case, and I am thankful to be dealing with these issues in California. The child support program (computer program) takes into account both parents' income, the percentage of time the child is with each parent, and certain expenses and obligations each parent might have (for example, child support they already pay for another child). Then it comes up with a number. It didn't feel unfair to me. My child's father could have asked for more custody, but he instead chose the absolute minimum. Therefore, his support payments are somewhat higher than they might have been.
I'm not sure what you mean by "child support is corrupt and antiquated." Do you think that there should be no payment of child support to the primary care giver by the other parent? What aspects of child support are corrupt?
As I read about how other states handle these issues, I can see where there is unfairness and certainly little uniformity between states.
Historically, the legal system has been grossly unfair to women. While I can feel somewhat sympathetic toward men who think the system has treated them unfairly, I also think, "Hey men, now you might understand a little bit how women feel in the world. We get paid less for doing the same jobs as you; we are penalized for taking a maternity leave (passed over for promotion), often get taken advantage of by mechanics, electricians other other businesses. We are expected to pay more for health insurance because we've got all these women parts. The list goes on and on." Not to mention what happens when a woman gets raped and then must face her accuser. Oh boy, the legal system is stacked against her.
So I can't feel all weepy over some men having to deal with disparity in family law court. Child support and custody issues should be more uniform and both parents should be treated equally. However, men in this world still mostly have it better than women so I can't get too overworked about a little disparity that goes the other way once in a while.
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''One of WOS twitter fans insisted that there was no such thing as Parental Alienation!''
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''What if you've actually SEEN parental alienation like I have? You can't tell me what I saw wasn't real.''
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Admin...once again you've quoted part of a comment I made, yet I don't see the actual comment anywhere! How does that happen?
Admin - I'm sure you are not looking for sympathy but still, it's not easy for the family to watch their loved ones gradually succumb to it and I'm sorry to hear this. I think it's more difficult for the family than it is for the person who has been dx'd.
A friend of the family has recently been diagnosed (unbeknown to us) and we asked her the other day why she had quit the choir? She very frankly said, she didn't know she had quit, so she'd take our word for it and then told us she has Alzheimer's. It shocked us that she so easily said told us.
I have no idea whether BW has it or not but when she asks these inappropriate questions, I think she does it out of habit since she's been making her living doing that very thing for the last few decades.
Mel I have a problem with requiring a parent to keep a child in the lifestyle in which they are accustomed to. What happens is that a lot of parents use that as an excuse to not work. It does not take into account that just because a kid may have a posh lifestyle one year doesn't mean things change for their parents and there need to be more frugal years. This is the trap Jon fell into with the 22,500 in support. That's ridiculous. Downsize and live within your means and don't expect a million dollar lifestyle all the time. I also have a problem with the loose accounting. A mother can take support and use it for hair, nails and makeup, and no one can stop her. Also, because it is based on the amount of time with your children, it sets up a system where a bad parent who isn't REALLY interested in really being there for their children will fight tooth and nail to get the kid 100% of the time or close to it so they can get as much support as possible. I have my suspicions this is partly why Kate forced the custody issue herself, to screw Jon over on support she doesn't really need anyway due to their millions. It does not encourage a more fair sharing of children 50-50 with no support. It also encourages the idea that the "man" supports the family and the woman cashes the checks when most women are perfectly capable of getting a decent job and support them too. I think support is fair for those trying to walk away from their responsibilities. I do not think it is fair for those who are trying their hardest to be a good parent and share their children but have to worry so much about making support each month their hands get tied because they can't afford anything else to make life comfortable for their kids on their visitation time--a vicious cycle.
So those are some of my issues.
I know many mothers use it properly to support their children and are paid a fair number, and my issue is not with them. I think CA has one of the most fair systems, and I like Dissomaster overall.
In Washington state, all teachers, principals and counselors are mandatory reporters if there is ANY suspicion of abuse. So are physicians and nurses.
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Are you referring to the discussion about school counseling? What Jon said is that the kids were instructed by Kate not to talk to a therapist; i.e., if something were bothering them, they keep quiet. If a parent has specifically informed the school that their child may not talk to a counselor, then the child may not talk to the counselor. This is not the same as mandatory reporting. If that child came to school with bruises, or any other symptoms of child abuse is present then yes, educators are mandatory reporters.
PA does have mandatory reporting laws:
"Any person who, in the course of employment, occupation or practice of a profession, comes into contact with children is required to report, if they have cause to suspect, on the basis of medical professional or other training and experience, that a child under the care supervision, guidance or training of that person or of an agency, institution, organization or other entity with which that person is affiliated is a victim of child abuse. Prior to Act 179 of 2006, a person was only required to report if the child suspected of being abused came before them in their official capacity.
The law also provides a non-exclusive list of professions that are required to report suspected child abuse (doctors, dentists, teachers, school administrators, nurses, social workers, clergy, law enforcement, mental health workers, etc.).
A person required to report, who is part of a medical or other public or private institution, school facility or agency is required to notify the person in charge of their organization, or their designee. Upon notification, the person in charge or the designee is required to report and assumes responsibility for the failure to do so.
If a mandated reporter is discharged from employment or otherwise discriminated against with regard to their employment as the result of making a child abuse report, the person may file an action in the Court of Common Pleas for the appropriate relief."
I guess I get worked up because I really don't care how much women may have been oppressed, it doesn't mean it's okay to implement reverse sexism.
I get upset because I had a wonderful dad, he is still a great dad, and had anyone ever tried to take him away from me and screw him over financially in the process, I'm not sure what that would have done to me.
I think a child has a right to both their mom and dad and whatever we can do to encourage as much involvement of both is better for the child. The countless stories I've read and seen of guys who truly just want to be a good dad but the courts won't let them, really break my heart.
Admin, so sorry to hear about your dad. Dementia is such a cruel disease.
By the way, what HAS become of the not-a-contest? If I had gone to the trouble of writing her with enclosed photos of randomly acting kind (eye roll) I'd want to know if I was the recipient of her not-a-cookbook.. Why aren't her fans jacking her up about it?
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Yeah really. I demand answers! :)
I think most of the fans are so hesitant to make demands on her when things like this happen (i.e. they won't ask WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE CONTEST WTF?) for fear she'll block them or the other fans like Milo will give them a hard time about Kate being busy and they'll be shunned.
That's why when I see people like Barb and what's her face, Sandy? Standing up to her, I feel sort of proud of them. Good for them.
Meagler #82, hugs back to you:) And you stay strong now, you have to for your children. And ALWAYS get a second medical opinion, because my daughter may still be alive if I had taken her for a second opinion. Let us know how things go:)
Historically, the legal system has been grossly unfair to women. While I can feel somewhat sympathetic toward men who think the system has treated them unfairly, I also think, "Hey men, now you might understand a little bit how women feel in the world. We get paid less for doing the same jobs as you; we are penalized for taking a maternity leave (passed over for promotion), often get taken advantage of by mechanics, electricians other other businesses. We are expected to pay more for health insurance because we've got all these women parts. The list goes on and on." Not to mention what happens when a woman gets raped and then must face her accuser. Oh boy, the legal system is stacked against her."
Standing O for 99% of what you wrote!
While it's tempting to enjoy the shoe being on the other foot for a change, like Admin, I just want a fair system - for everyone: men and women, and especially the children.
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“@wisenheimer69: @byebyebaby143 LMAO Look 👀 http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4646248?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003 …” I hate 2 say this but I think it's a publicity stunt.
Does anyone remember when a poster here swore up and down on a stack of Bibles that the whole divorce thing was nothing more than a publicity stunt and the two of them were going to get back together? The poster claimed insider info.
Uh, don't think that's going to happen.
Cheri, exactly.
Plus it's not JON's fault that historically women have had it rough in family law courts. What did he have to do with it? He never oppressed women or was responsible for a system where men called the shots. It's not his fault that men before him did. This is not a reparations thing.
A "publicity sunt" for WHAT?
No sheep, it's not a publicity stunt. It's in response to Kate going too far and exploiting her kids on the talk show circuit and the disaster that resulted. He got pushed too far, it's really not that hard to understand. The media has been calling HIM, not the other way around.
Had he done this out of the blue with no provocation, I might understand the publicity stunt argument.
OT VCU beat Dayton tonight, and University of Richmond beat UMass! Gotta celebrate!
I can't do anything about Jon or TFMJG or the poor children.
I can vote for Coach Shaka Smart in the espn coaches challenge and help a local Childrens service agency get some badly needed funds. #voteshaka.com #shameless begging #GoVCU
As far as why the kids don't just go talk to teachers or counselors at school. THEY LOVE BOTH PARENTS. Just like they didn't bash Jon in the two shows, they don't want to bash Kate either. Kids have a fear that if they say something they will be taken from them. And regardless of how they are treated, they want to be loved by their parents and will do anything they have to to get if from the one they feel loves them the least. Why fight for love when you are already getting it. So they put their energy into winning over the one that makes it harder.
So sorry about your Dad, Admin.. You are so doing the right thing by spending the time doing all of the things he ever wanted to do, while he can still enjoy them. Be strong for him, and for yourself. Love him like you have never loved him before, and when you think things have gotten there worst, he will remember that love you gave him in his heart:)
Watch and see what you think.
"Jon Gosselin has lived his life under a microscope for the past several years, and finally this week on Couples Therapy, one of the biggest rumors about his personal life will get cleared up. Did he actually have an affair and step out on his marriage with Kate?
The answer is no, although he’s well aware that that’s what most of America believes. In this sneak peek, Jon addresses the rumor and explains where it came from, but he later admits that he did sleep with other women while he was “on a break” from his current love, Liz Jannetta. Check out the sneak peek and tune in to Couples Therapy this Thursday at 9PM ET/PT."
http://blog.vh1.com/2014-01-22/couples-therapy-episode-4-sneak-peek-jon-gosselin/
Another sad day in GosselinLand. All those salacious details that Jon (through his lawyer) so kindly provided the world about his kids makes me sick inside. I only wonder if Jon is fully aware of the repercussions his kids are likely receiving from their mother tonite.
He kind've 'outed' them, didn't he? Outed them to their mother that they want to live with him. While perhaps true, I wonder if he's going to lose his children's trust over time with all these secrets they've told him, now being sold to a tabloid magazine. I tend to think they wouldn't want their mother to know they want to live with their dad. As Jon said 'they live in fear of her'.
So what does Jon think is going to happen now? Does he think Kate won't be screeching from high heaven at his kids for revealing that trusted information? Jon, shut. up. Just do what you have to do and TRY, please, TRY to limit the information your kids tell you to the public. You are their only hope right now and I have a feeling this is not going to end well.
I sincerely wish you luck in your endeavour and hope that you'll stop betraying your kids' trust.
I think it is time for a music break! Please bare with me, this was done on short notice. lol
(sing to Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer) My apologizes to Rudolph.
You know Aaden and Joel and
Hannah and Cara
Collin and Mady and Alexis
And Leah
But do you recall?
The most famous mother dearest of them all?
Katie the wine box drinker
Had a very shiny nose
And if you ever saw it
You would even say it glows
All of the Gosselin children
Used to get happy'ed up with a veneer smile
They will never let poor Katie
Choose her own nursing home
Then one foggy Christmas Eve
Dad came with the gate code to say
Katie with your nose so bright
Won’t you let me have custody with this court order tonight?
Then all the Gosselin children loved him
As they shouted out with glee
Katie the wine box drinker
Now your freaking history!!!
#TeamJonTeamG8
RAOK... random acts of kindness.
I did one today, top of my head. I gave twenty bucks to the homeless guy who holds the metro doors open when go to work, five am.
he was so happy to be able to spend time in a warm Mickey d's.
forgot to take a picture...ooops.
On subject, Collin is the engineer, right? Joel the model ,and Aaden, defective because he needs glasses.I can so see what is happenning there.
franky
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previous post was by
franky
danged phone
Excellent blog about parental alienation:
Limited Definition of Parental Alienation Syndrome Included in DSM-V
https://nationalparentsorganization.org/blog/20972-limited-definition-of-parental-alienation-syndrome-included-in-dsm-v
We don't know why Jon has allowed Kate to keep his children from him for so long, and it could just simply be he had many irons in the fire, so to speak, and needed to secure a regular job and save money to fight her. Remember, she sued him and perhaps that suit was punishment for complaining about not seeing the twins and Collin. I would not put it past her. Make him spend money defending himself rather than using that money to take her to family court. Could she be any more evil?
Admin, sorry about your dad. Same situation but farther along with my mom. Terrible disease. And scary, almost an epidemic.
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