"It's the only way I can protect the younger six."
Jon tells InTouch that Kate is in violation of their custody agreement because he has "right of first refusal" (Kate is required to offer the kids to him first before getting a babysitter). Kate did not inform him she was leaving the sextuplets behind with a caregiver in Pennsylvania when she took the twins to New York City to go on Today and The View. Had Jon known, Jon could have exercised his right of first refusal and had the sextuplets stay with him during the twins' media tour. He said this stunt was the last straw.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/stars/news/jon-gosselin-plans-to-fight-for-custody-of-his-sextuplets
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I imagine Jon has feelings and it hurts him to hear about people saying he needs to man up and do something about this situation when he IS doing something. Men don't take insults to their fatherhood or manhood as well as women do to their womanhood. It is WHO THEY ARE.
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I was being snarky about myself. It was a Mea Culpa. Paula was vindicated.
Even if he doesn't win the simple fact that Kate violated a clear provision in their custody order and someone is taking her to task for it is a good thing.
And all this public opinion has been great for his case. The judge is going to see that most people feel she has gone too far. For him to keep letting her go about her nonsense is to go against public opinion, and if he is an elected official, that is something he will need to think twice about. America has spoken. She exploits her children. And America does not like it.
The timing for Jon couldnt be better.
I think Jon's main goal for right now obviously is this contempt charge, since he stated going for custody would be down the road when he has the money. And really, what Judge would hand him full custody in his current situation when you look at where they live now.
I'm just happy he's not backing down from this b*tch and is going to try and nail her for these slimy moves she's making against the current court orders.
Admin:
Can Jon bring in the testimony of the tups' educators/teachers and the 'not-a-nanny's' in his quest to bring the tups into his home? I would venture to say that their opinion is just as formidable as TFWs might be.
This all rings true: TFW constantly tweeting about the twins hanging in her room, playing games on the iPad, texting each other, etc. Barely a mention of the tups except in passing. And we can't rule out how she lets her twin daughter(s) malign the younger siblings on national tv and in a magazine without a blink of the eye. - in fact on the view she ENCOURAGED IT: "Come on "M" you've waited your whole life to say this..."
As for Jon's new place having enough room: The tups' rooms are small at the Konpound and they are three to a room, so I don't imagine that the size of the bedrooms and the amount of kids in each room would be too much of a concern. Jon had a 3 bedroom house in the woods when he had all his kids with him.
Even if Kate doesn't want to 6 she will fight Jon cause she can't let him win anything.
PatK.
I don't think 'where they live now' as in the physical property of the house is going to be favorable for TFW. Jon has shown he's more concerned about the welfare of the children. TFW just wants the fame and fortune and anything else she can get as she climbs over the backs of her children.
The judge will definitely look at that over the size of the home the children live in now.
After watching the View video....I can just imagine Krazy and her mini-mes locked up in her bedroom hiding from the littler ones. (Left alone)
And we all know how KK feels about "boys"...I can only imagine the hell they have been through.
I can't wait for the expose written by her children: "Raised by Strangers".
I think I'm in the minority here. I think going for custody of the tups is a terrible idea -- the children should not be separated from their sisters. I also think it's ridiculous to say that Mady and Cara hate the tups or said "hateful" things about them. They said they're "annoying." Kate shouldn't have allowed it, but it is far from "hateful." I don't know what the answer is to this mess, but attempting to take the six away is not it. A gag order preventing any public discussion by either parent of custody, support, etc. should have been entered a long time ago. More custody time for Jon, a ban on filming/media appearances -- all much better options, in my view.
At what age can kids just tell the judge which parent they want to live with and the judge will respect their opinion?
Admin, thanks for the confirmation.
Kate is a Twit, I agree I wish both parents would just STFU, but I got to hope Jon does a media blitz on this one. It's not like he's lining his pockets or exploiting the kids; he is drumming up public support for divorced dads, publicly proclaiming what his kids want, and hopefully will raise funds through his appearances or get an attorney to take up his fight pro bono. This all makes sense and must have been brewing for a while. Kate taking those girls to NYC secretly (remember her foreboding tweet about a warning) and not letting him watch the tups proves she is out to push Jon out of the family dynamics.
I hope Jon gets help financially from his family and any of Kate's estranged family. I hope Cara has the strength to get away from her mom also. That child is depressed, IMO.
Interesting observation regarding Kate copyrighting her journal. She has now admitted everything in there is true. She can be labeled an abuser.
Just checked Milo's TL, and she just tweeted out a link to the In Touch story (but not to Kate). I'm sure Milo will be taking some time to prepare her official PR statement on behalf of Kate.
All I see is another media frenzy ala 2009 and it's sickening. Khate should be held accountable for contempt- no doubt about that. Khate should also be held accountable for parental alienation. I wish Kevin and Jodi could step in and raise these kids!
From the In Touch article online:
"First, I’m going to file for an emergency petition for contempt ... The next step is to fight for custody,” says Jon, who adds that he will file as soon as he saves enough money for lawyers and paperwork fees.
I wish someone could help him out here....it's going to take forever to save up enough money on a waiter's salary, if he ever does.
No wonder she's so hell-bent on preventing him from working, with all of her sly innuendoes.
The financial situation forces him into less than savory earning situations like CT if he ever is going to get enough cash to fight her.
And she has enough cash to fight him on every/anything. And she will drum up things for the sole purpose of bleeding him dry.
She also I'm sure encouraged or at least didn't dissuade m from telling People that I wasn't filming that affected them negatively; it was the 6 being born, and calling A a rabid animal
TLC Stinks...you've pointed out something...Now that Kate has "copyrighted" her journals, she is, in effect, saying they are true. I would imagine those journals could be used as well - Admin?
Admin said...
We can't have it both ways. We can't trash him for "not doing anything" and then turn around and be upset when he makes a statement to the press explaining, excuse me I DO care about my children and I AM trying to stop this and I AM doing something for your information.
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I was just about to post the same thing.
And this applies to Robert too. We bitch when he says something and we bitch when he doesn't. Robert and Jon have their reasons for doing what they do, and a washed-up wannabe may not be their highest priority. We can speculate, but we shouldn't be griping about it.
boo, I agree. Separating the kids would break my heart.
PJ
Looks like I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.
PJ
PatK said... 11
Just checked Milo's TL, and she just tweeted out a link to the In Touch story (but not to Kate). I'm sure Milo will be taking some time to prepare her official PR statement on behalf of Kate.
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Of course it's a pro k8 article
boo, when my mother was 12 in the 1930's, her mother died suddenly. As the oldest girl, she was forced to drop out of school and take care of the home. There were many younger siblings who went to live with relatives. Everyone remained close over the years. I see no issue with Jon having custody of the tups and them maintaining a relationship with the twins. The only interference would be from Kate.
Kate must be cruel to the tups for them to want to leave their mother.
Mel said... 13
From the In Touch article online:
"First, I’m going to file for an emergency petition for contempt ... The next step is to fight for custody,” says Jon, who adds that he will file as soon as he saves enough money for lawyers and paperwork fees.
I wish someone could help him out here....it's going to take forever to save up enough money on a waiter's salary, if he ever does.
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Now if there was a "Gofundme" account for this, I'd consider donating provided the money was actually going to be used for attorney fees for custody.
With Kate and the twins holed up in her bedroom every night by her own admission, the tups are secluded and excluded. They must feel it. I think Jon should have them for now. I wish they could arrange proper visitation, though ( Kate's fault the twins are alienated if it's true) if the kids' relationships in the family are to be salvaged.
Transferring from previous post...
When Robert posted about another lawsuit coming, do you think he knew what Jon was planning ?" (111)
I don't know, but I can't help wondering if Robert's relentless provocations toward TFW weren't to push her to get that copyright on her diaries. And she did. And now that she more or less admits that she did abuse those babies, Jon has a very strong case, non?
White Organza said... 146
"When Robert posted about another lawsuit coming, do you think he knew what Jon was planning ?" (111)
I don't know, but I can't help wondering if Robert's relentless provocations toward TFW weren't to push her to get that copyright on her diaries. And she did. And now that she more or less admits that she did abuse those babies, Jon has a very strong case.
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Just throwing it out there... but I think Robert meant he was going to sue Kate. I believe he could sue her for malicious prosecution. Her suit had no merit and no standing, never did. I'm sure he had legal bills before this, but her filing and dropping this suit surely cost him big time.
The suits were filed a few weeks before the crookbook came out. Not an accident. On her lame, sad crookbook tour, she used almost all her airtime to discuss the suits. Conveniently, after she was done promoting the crookbook, the suits were dropped without comment. I don't think she ever intended to go through with them. Why would she want to go through discovery? Look at the hardballs Robert was throwing out- his commentary on the book advising parents to hit kids with pvc pipe, his implication that Kate has fake, paid fans (Milo?) and fake twitter followers.
I realize that Kate may have assumed she was too special and rare to be subjected to discovery, but someone must have told her otherwise. Tom Cruise wasn't too rare for it. After a few weeks of finding that out, he quickly settled and made it all go far, far away.
It's JMO, but I think the suits were nothing more than a publicity stunt for the book. I don't think she wants Radar getting a hold of court documents from discovery. She copyrighted the journal, but I don't think she wants to call further attention to it.
PatK said... 11
Just checked Milo's TL, and she just tweeted out a link to the In Touch story (but not to Kate). I'm sure Milo will be taking some time to prepare her official PR statement on behalf of Kate.
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Don't forget Ms.Goody is Milo's side kick.
I'm sickened at the idea of splitting up the children. But I'm also sickened at the thought of how those poor little boys must be treated. And C's heart-wrenching depression.
The whole thing just plain sucks.
What the heck is wrong with this judge, anyway??? TFW blows his orders off, and gives him the big fu, and he just takes it???
Think the judge is just as afraid of TFW as everybody else?
Still want to know if the kids have any "say so" in the decision of picking which parent to live with??
The problem I see with the journal is that it is not current. Now, wouldn't it be interesting of some of the kids kept a journal?
Didn't Robert imply that he *wanted* to go do discovery and was disappointed it didn't happen?
Well it looks like Jenny and Sherri from The View just turned on Kate. They were discussing Jon suing for custody and Jenny said parents shouldn't do reality tv with their kids and Sherri agreed. Now I know why the north east got hit with that storm. Never thought I'd see the day when Sherri said anything bad about Kate.
Omg she is so stupid
@MiloandJack: http://t.co/CMEpvSWAw4 via @ETonlineAlert LOL There is no custody agreement...U have visitation. This has to stop!
without reading the comments, if Jon thinks a custody change is warranted, God knows what else the public doesn't know....WOS has said enough crap on tv, and now the twins have as well, that Jon has more than enough evidence to prove parental alienation.
She needs an intervention.
I hope that whatever happens, it is in the best interest of the children.
as far as her house vs Jon's house, I am sure his house is adequate.
Oh, yes, Ms. Goody...That recent ROL article re: Jon and child support had Ms. Goody written all over it. I still it was written by sheeple.
If there were a PayPal account directly linked to his lawyer for her fees I'd gladly donate. I would't donate to "gofundme".
Can Jon request another judge?
how can you copyright material you've thrown in the trash? Robert can prove he obtained the material on such and such date....then how can she, after that fact, copyright her journal?
Good for you Jon. And I strongly agree that even if he fails to win custody, some day the children will know that he tried, that he did abandon them to their evil mother.
My SIL has a stepdaughter, who was the victim of a mother not like Kate. Parents married young, very unsuitable for each other and her father filed for divorce, after finishing his medical residency. Mother greatly resented him for taking away her Mrs. Dr., even though she was equally miserable. And even though she remarried and had more children, she treated her daughter, who resembled her father, like Cinderella. We all wondered why he did not go to court and fight for her, but 30 years ago it was even harder to get prove emotional child abuse. Finally, around the time she turned 12, father offered ex a financial deal; he would pay her child support until daughter turned 18 if she would allow her to live with him and his new family. Funny how quickly my niece had a new life. But it was a very turbulent teen hood for her, fitting into another family, loving as it was. In her mid 20's she turned her life around, finished college, married, divorced, remarried and is expecting her first child in the spring. She has a close relationship with dad, stepmom and their children, NO contact with her birth mom and sibs from that marriage by her choice.
Kate Gosselin has dug her own deep pit of delusional horrors, and I hope Jon can get some of his children out from under her control while they are young enough to benefit. Sadly, the twins may have to grow up before they can see what she has done. Her fiasco talk show tour has shown what control she has over them, conflicted feelings and all.
Exactly, Mel. No way did Kate want to go through Discovery, thus the suit was nothing more than to squeeze Robert financially.
Intouch magazine...
“They live in fear of Kate,” Jon says in the new issue of In Touch, on newsstands now. “Every time I see them, they tell me they want to live with me.”
What scares me is the treatment the 6 will receive after Kate reads these two lines. So, you would rather live with your father huh.....so, you live in FEAR of me.....I'll give you something to be fearful of!! Their lives will be miserable during this process. Even if the kids want to live with their father, don't you think she will have ways to change their minds. Happy them up...etc. I also think Cara is caught in the middle, between her father and sticking with her twin.
The sheeple are very predictable.
One of them will say that Jon is broke and the only reason that he wants custody of the kids is so that he can collect child support from TFW and won't have to work any more becasue he'll spend it all on himself. Wait for it.
is there documented proof that she documented the journal? If there is, I'd like to see a link.
JR, I think it depends on state law, so if someone here from PA knows the custody laws, it would help to clarify. I would think a child could meet with a judge but probably there is an age limit; otherwise, the petitioning parent would have to convince the judge it's in the child's best interest to live full time with him/her. I do wonder if a child could be called as a witness under oath, though. Anyone?
I don't know that Cara is depressed.She's just quiet compared to Mady. She sounds like she's involved with school and sports and close to Mady. She was going on a school trip (yoga pants) and does not seem to be locking herself in isolation her bedroom in a depressed state, but rather joining in with her sister and 'BFF mom' nightly.. I think her personality is just shy with those tantrums/ outbreaks now and then. But sure, she may have problems, who knows.
Jon has momentum right now. That should help him a lot with his petition.
CQ
Will Jon also control the $ in the trusts that are set aside for their needs if he has custody? I'll tell you what, after the Today and View fiascos, everyone, but about 6 sheeple will understand why he did it.
Jon. Why, why, why are you saying this publically. Just keep it private. And if you have to wait to save up enough money before you can file, you should've never opened your mouth. Oy.
Admin,
I don't know how this all works because thankfully I've never had to experience anything like it. But so many questions:
If it comes down to Jon seeking full custody of the younger six, do the kids have a say about it, and if they do, are they questioned in the presence of both their parents, or are they asked questions without either parent being present?
Ok, hate admit it but The Today Show and The View need to give equal time to Jon. Strike while the iron is hot. It is tit for tat but if it means those kids can be removed from Kate's House of Horrors, then it must be.
Formerly Duped, I had a depressed child. Cara has that look. That's all I can base it on. JMO.
Does anyone know Penn. law as far as age limits on choosing a parent?
Why can't either parent keep anything private? My goodness, it feels like we've all entered a time warp and it's 2009 all over again.
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My feelings exactly. Poor kids. I feel like I say that a lot.
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boo said... 8
I think I'm in the minority here. I think going for custody of the tups is a terrible idea
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I get what you are saying and at this point it is hard to figure what would be best for all of them.
I do wonder though if it might not be a good idea if the older girls get a break from the younger ones and the younger ones get a break from their mother for a while. Also, if the six are telling their Dad they are scared of their Mother or she is doing things to upset them (which we don't know if this is happening) but it might help them to get away from her even if just temporarily.
What a mess these children are going through.
As usual, Radar doesn't favor Jon in their story.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/01/jon-gosselin-kate-suing-custody-younger-sextuplets-children-cant-afford-hire-lawyers/
And there would be no In Touch article if that biotch had not trotted the twins out on her miserable redemption tour. I seriously believe most of what Jon does is a reaction to her continuing awful behaviors. But now, having breached the right of refusal, it's not just her emotional blackmail, it is a clear legal issue. And even tho it is sad to think of the chlldren being split up, does anyone really want to see the tups continue to live with their awful mother, who admits to having the twins in her room as bff's on a regular basis. If she did not make her preferences blatantly clear over the past two weeks, not sure what else she did. Those boys so clearly need a father figure in their lives.
I've wondered who controls the trust. No, the trust will not change 'hands' due to a possible custody change.
I wonder who the trustee is, is it WOS? Steve? a bank trust dept? anyone can be put in charge of a trust. Anyone.
If Jon does obtain custody, yes he sure can go after child support.
If warranted, the judge or a child advocate appointed by the court will talk with each child about their feelings regarding who they want to live with and why.
Yes, teachers/counselors/ etc can be asked to testify.
You can be depressed and still be involved with things. I have severe depression and PTSD, and I hold down a job, have friends and a good marriage--it doesn't always look like the person curled up on their bed in a dark room crying all the time or staring at nothing. Believe me, it was a hell of a shock when I got that diagnosis because I don't look like that. None of us do. I thought I was just tired. Turns out I was losing my grip on myself and my life.
It manifests in so, so many different ways. I wouldn't be surprised if the whole lot of the G Kids ping a minimum of five symptoms on the depression list.
angie said... 36
how can you copyright material you've thrown in the trash? Robert can prove he obtained the material on such and such date....then how can she, after that fact, copyright her journal?
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Somehow, she managed to do it. A few weeks ago someone here provided the link to the copyright info. This was the result of a hint from Robert's 1/9 post that Kate has admitted she wrote the journals.. he said Google is our friend. Whomever found the info found it from Googling it.
CAK
"The sextuplets go to bed at 7:30. Thank God!" Kate the child abuser's letter to Kendra, read aloud on national TV.
Is he just going for custody of the sextuplets because the twins are old enough to choose who they want to live with?
There is a reason that emotional abuse is referred to as the "silent scar". There are not outward signs of this type of abuse, but it the damages that are done to the soul of a victim of emotional abuse can be forever.
TLC stinks said... 49
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Sorry to hear that...I understand because I have one too.I guess it manifests itself differently in people .
Based on the RV episodes, C's behavior towards "outside" kids and some of her reactions, I think C was totally overwhelmed by having to deal with filming, and clearly showed signs of same. How many times were Jamie's kids the "victim's" of all G kids, C,M,H etc for no good reason? And Kate's refusal to intervene spoke VOLUMES.
Mady has said all she has ever know is work, and I do find it highly likely that Kate deals with the "littles" (except maybe Hannah) as little as possible, as she was simply never cut out to deal with 8 kids Rather she delegates to the twins, which explains their resentment.
Mel said... 13
I wish someone could help him out here....it's going to take forever to save up enough money on a waiter's salary, if he ever does.
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There must be attorneys out there who would jump at the chance to represent Jon pro bono. Kate has earned herself a reputation equal to that of Alex Forrest.
Does anyone know Penn. law as far as age limits on choosing a parent?
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There is no set age. At almost ten the judge will talk to them privately (if a trial the lawyers can be present). The weight of what the child has to say increases as the child gets older.
Well, this is an interesting development and one that I can't say I saw coming, at least for a few years yet anyway.
Michelle said...(9)
At what age can kids just tell the judge which parent they want to live with and the judge will respect their opinion?
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I don't think there's a specific age or even circumstance where a judge will make a custody decision based solely on where the child says they want to live.
I'm sure taking such a thing into account is part of the process but I doubt very much it's that cut and dry.
It is really too bad that thoughtful and dedicated co-parenting is not a viable option and that it's come to Jon having to fight for custody. It's incredibly sad that Kate puts her pursuit of fame ahead of her children's well being.
It's not going to be easy for anyone involved.
Admin when your source verified this did they mention that he didn't have the money yet? Is he planning on demanding a trial?
I haven't read the comments on this thread yet,
Localyokul-- Montgomery sockets = courts right? Grr, autocorrect! I already posted about this, but I really wish they would underline changed text.
Meagler--your family is in my thoughts. I wish strength and hope to face whatever news to come your way.
If the custody lawsuit has been in the works for a while, then it is even more puzzling that Jon was so rough in the late December article. He needs to remember that his public behavior is also evidence.
As far as child support, I think that much of the kids' support may be paid from investment income. Jon already said that their school is paid from an educational trust. However, if Kate is using
When I went through this I asked for a custody modification. At this level a master hears both sides in a conference. Then he talks to the child alone. My ex then demanded a trial for custody. The judge talked to dd in chambers. At this level lawyers are allowe in, here's the kicker with me. My ex is a lawyer who represented himself so he got to be there.
It should be pretty simple to prove Kate wrote those journals. Doesn't matter who found what and where, doesn't matter if it's copyrighted....those journals were written in 2006 and 2007 for the sole purpose of keeping notes for a book being written. Beth read those journals. She may even have a copy of them.....you never know...best of luck to Jon....
Hit publish too soon!
If Kate is using any of the kids' funds to pay for her house, it will shift the financial responsibility to her, except for any custody days she gets. All of the mortgage payments, maintenance, taxes, repairs and utilities.
I wish Jon luck with getting full custody of the tups. I wonder if the twins would be called as witnesses? I wish this was not in the public arena, but I understand why Jon is speaking out. In this case, she took it to the public. I think the world will breathe a sigh of release.
TFW is really very lucky, because, down the road, when she is alone, there is a complete record of just how she got there. She can spend her lonely days, when the kids stop seeing or talking to her, sitting in her mansion on her leather couch, sipping a box of wine, watching DVD's of herself evolving into the monster she became.
What the heck is wrong with this judge, anyway??? TFW blows his orders off, and gives him the big fu, and he just takes it???
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No one can do anything until/unless a petition for contempt is filed.
They don't have one single judge at least in my county. It's not like child support where you are assigned an enforcement officer who is yours unless they quit or caseloads get shuffled. Each time they go for a modification or trial the case will be scheduled to one of the judges masters
Why did Leah say on KC that chores they do are dusting and vacuuming? Can that be true? What happened to the housekeeper?
There is something just so "off" about TFW's relationship with the tups. The twins get to participate in extracurricular activities, but the tups do not. She hangs out with the twins in her room at night, but the tups are not included. Tha statement she made, I think in People mag, that it's the three of them (meaning her and the twins) against the world. So, since the tups were not included, does that mean they are part of the world that she and the twins are united against? She encouraged Mady to badmouth the tups on the View (C'mon, Mady, you've been waiting to say this your whole life). She didn't ask People to not print the comments Mady made about Alexis being "rabid" and "like a wild animal". There is no instinct to nurture or protect the tups. It's like she and the twins are united and the 6 are left out.
I don't like the idea of dividing up the kids, but I don't think it's good to leave the tups in that kind of environment just so they can be in the same house as their sisters. Remember the video of Jon dropping them off, and they ae screaming and crying for him to please not go? That breaks my heart. They need a home where they are loved.
It just seems like TFW had the tups to get famous, and once the novelty wore off and she wasn't making money off them, she started to resent them.
I would contribute to a gofundme account or legal fund for Jon. In a heartbeat.
Localyokul-- Montgomery sockets = courts right? Grr, autocorrect! I already posted about this, but I really wish they would underline changed text.
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Sorry. Sockets=dockets
Layla said... 73
.....I would contribute to a gofundme account or legal fund for Jon. In a heartbeat.
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Amen. Jon, just do it while Kate's performance on the View and Today is fresh and reviled in people's minds. At this point, who cares what people think. Can it get any worse?
I do wonder about this New York trip with the twins and how Jon was so far out of the loop. What lengths does TFW go to in order to keep these operations covert?
Did she demand the twins not tell their 6 siblings so that their father would not be tipped-off? Are these evening bedroom get-together's with the twins all about strategies? If indeed they slipped off to New York without telling the 6 anything, this is the worst kind of parental alienation indeed.
If I was any one of those 6 children I would have picked up the phone and called my dad. I would have said; "dad, mom took Mady and Cara somewhere and didn't tell us, and we are here with the babysitter, why can't we be with you?" IMO, these kids have been told they cannot contact their father from home under any circumstances. Either they knew and were told not to tell their father, or were left not knowing anything about their mother's whereabouts. As a child, this would foster both fear and anxiety, no matter what the situation was. I know this is pure speculation on my part, but why didn't one of the sextuplets call their dad when they were left with the babysitter, even just to say hi. I think they do live in fear of their mother.
White Organza said...
And now that she more or less admits that she did abuse those babies, Jon has a very strong case, non?
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A copyright only verifies that she authored it, not that it was true. I know that is a nit-picky comment, but she did give a title of Mommy's Journal", or something like that. Maybe she will say she was working on a factionalized version of her life.
I wish the parents could just share custody, but I think it's become pretty clear to most of us the only way for the parental alienation to stop is if custody switches to him. I wish him the best with an uphill battle.
You cry parental alienation every time Kate opens her mouth in public (because you actually don't KNOW what she says to her children in private), but you don't do the same with Jon. He has called the children's mother an asshole in a public forum. He has accused the mother of his children of isolating them and hindering their social development. He has accused her of being a dictator in her home. Gosh, one might guess that what he says directly to his children about their mother is as bad or worse...
Jon has a lot to work with but I hope he has his ducks in a row.
All those children deserve better than life with the pimp.
Admin said ... (from previous thread)
She has been nuts to violate court orders so much, one of these days she'll violate one too many and the judge will have had enough with her, so keep pushing it lady.
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I'm not a big fan of speculation, but I am beginning to suspect something far more sinister in TFW's motivations for her "Me and My Shadows" tour with the twins. In pinning her hopes for a new TV show on the twins, maybe she has realized that there is no more money to be made off of the tups. If she is finding that the young ones are behaving in ways that are just not marketable, she might very well be looking to relieve herself of their day-to-day care.
So is it possible that TFW has violated the custody agreement intentionally to orchestrate their removal? She has certainly forced Jon's hand. And while she has a "marshmallow" brain, she is still very cunning. She can make a big show of protesting any change in custody while secretly welcoming it. It certainly would be much less work and trouble for her if the 6 lived with Jon. We know how lazy she is, so it is just a matter of what she wants more: to be in control of the kids or to be rid of the daily work involved with caring for them?
I said long ago that she would hand them over to Jon the moment they no longer served her purposes and were no longer of monetary value to her. Maybe that time has arrived. But if this is her intention, she will still make Jon jump through hoops just because that is her vindictive nature.
It just seems like TFW had the tups to get famous, and once the novelty wore off and she wasn't making money off them, she started to resent them. 73
On the show, when she referred to the sextuplets as her "china dolls" I remember wondering if she didn't realize that they would grow up
Layla said... 73
It just seems like TFW had the tups to get famous, and once the novelty wore off and she wasn't making money off them, she started to resent them.
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I and many others said this years ago. I wouldn't be surprised if she gave them up without much of a battle. To her way of thinking, if they can't be of any use to her, why keep them? On the other hand she may fight hard to keep them just so Jon can't have them, not because it's what is best for them.
It's a sad situation but she is so toxic that I don't think it's healthy for any of the kids to live with her after seeing what she's done to the twins recently.
Jumping In said... 76
I do wonder about this New York trip with the twins and how Jon was so far out of the loop. What lengths does TFW go to in order to keep these operations covert?
Did she demand the twins not tell their 6 siblings so that their father would not be tipped-off? Are these evening bedroom get-together's with the twins all about strategies? If indeed they slipped off to New York without telling the 6 anything, this is the worst kind of parental alienation indeed.
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If, as Kate claims, Jon gave up his right to object to the kids being on TV, then why does she feel the need to keep their appearances secret from him? She did this with CWS, too. That tells us that he does still have the right to intervene, otherwise there would be no need to keep it secret.
Dear sheeple @ 78....there is no proof that Jon ever said those things directly to his children. There is ACTUAL proof that Kate alienates her children from their father and her children from each other.
Localyocul said... 66
Admin when your source verified this did they mention that he didn't have the money yet?
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Didn't he just get a nice pay-out for CT?
Jon needs to nail down a good income earning job (hopefully go to school if need be) so he can support his kids and not rely on tv or tabloids to take care of his kids. Likewise with the TFW.
http://www.barstoolsports.com/m/chicago/super-page/i-dare-you-to-try-and-watch-this-interview-with-that-psycho-kate-gosselin-and-her-twin-daughters-without-cringing-to-death/
Yikes, what will this do to TFW's plan to shove more TV cameras in the kids' faces to fund her lifestyle? She doesn't seem to like raising the tups, but she knows she needs them to sell her family on TV. They are the only reason anyone was interested in the Gosselins in the first place.
angie said... 36
how can you copyright material you've thrown in the trash? Robert can prove he obtained the material on such and such date....then how can she, after that fact, copyright her journal?
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An original work is automatically copyrighted by virtue of and upon its creation. The author or creator of the work owns the copyright unless they assign or transfer ownership to another party.
In order to protect that copyright securely, the work needs to be registered with the U.S. Copyright Office. It is a very simple process to file a registration claim. You can fill out the forms and pay the fee online (the fee is cheaper online) using the Electronic Copyright Office (ECO) System. You can either upload or mail the material you are registering.
So it doesn't matter that she threw the physical repository of her words in the trash; the words are still hers.
Hope this helps.
Jon Is A Parental Alienator Too! said... 78
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So you admit Kate is one? She admits "informing" the kids of stuff. We've seen her isolate her kids and everything else jon has claimed. And if you could shear around the eyes you could see all the posts saying jon needs to stop running to the media.
I said long ago that she would hand them over to Jon the moment they no longer served her purposes and were no longer of monetary value to her. Maybe that time has arrived. But if this is her intention, she will still make Jon jump through hoops just because that is her vindictive nature. 80
She may not have a "use" for the six any longer but she will go through hell and high water to keep Jon from "winning."
Can someone with legal expertise explain to me how it's possible for Kate to "keep the twins isolated" from Jon? They are minors, and a custody order is a custody order, no? I'd guess this has been going on for years now (judging from the drop-off video where the tups are screaming in the van and the twins walk up to the gate and give Jon a hug). They clearly love him, so I don't understand why Kate can't be made to comply with the order for visitation, which I assume is the same for the twins and the tups.
Interesting comments from Jenny and Sherri at the end of The View today.
Every week they do a little commentary on the tabloids - this week they did it on celebrity tweets. They brought up TFW's "we're all watching...", and said that they got the most comments about Barbara's last question to Mady about Jon.
Both Jenny and Sherri said it was VERY uncomfortable, and they felt sorry for the girls.
At the end, Jenny says "...and parents, this is why you DON'T put your kids on a reality show!"
I see some people wondering at what age a child must be before a family law judge will take their wishes into consideration (re custody). I am no expert, but I don't think there is any specific age set in stone. Each judge probably uses his or her own discretion. However, the older the child, the more weight is given to their desire. I would think that because the younger ones are only 9, they probably wouldn't be personally involved (speaking to the judge, giving a deposition, etc.)
I have long felt that the family law judge in the Gosselin matter has done an overall poor job. But at some point, wouldn't you think he'd get fed up with TFW spitting in his eye, so to speak? She has violated court orders on numerous occasions; she has clearly demonstrated that she does not put the best interests of the children first; and she's demonstrated that she is an unbalanced parent.
I think Jon is taking this step by step. The first step is to file against TFW for contempt of the existing custody order. After that, if she violates the custody order again and he goes back for a further finding of contempt, then he'd have a much stronger case when he seeks custody of the younger children. I wish him success in this endeavor, and I wish him much luck, as he's going to need that too.
As to breaking up the children - yes, if it happens, it will be sad. But their current situation is equally as sad. There is no good solution here; but there is a better solution. And that solution would be to remove the younger six from the toxic world in which they must live now, with their cruel, abusive and neglectful mother. It would be better for them to be out of that situation, even if it means they won't live with their older siblings for awhile. And perhaps having some time living apart from their younger six siblings will give Mady some space to a) enjoy not having them around every day; and b) to actually miss their presence and realize that even though they stole her thunder, she misses them and loves them all the same.
Well google isn't my friend, I can't find a link concerning WOS copyrighting her journal.
Pool boys, that would be a great link to pin on the main wall.
Call Me Crazy #88
thanks for the explanation. I'd still like to see documented proof that WOS says the journal is hers...
how much longer is the drama going to go on?
Paula said... 84
Dear sheeple @ 78....there is no proof that Jon ever said those things directly to his children. There is ACTUAL proof that Kate alienates her children from their father and her children from each other.
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Dear Great Defender of All Things Jon: By all means, share your "proof" that she is alienating the children from their father. (Jon's claim that Kate is isolating the twins from him does not constitute "proof.") I'm all ears.
I have always believed and have expressed my belief that there was a purpose to TFW giving birth to two sets of multiples. If we remember, some of her extended family reported that TFW was enthralled with the family in Iowa (7) and carried around the book that mother wrote. This was a plan to get famous, rich, and plenty of attention. TFW will not go quietly into the night on this custody battle if there is in fact one to come. She will never willingly give up control of any part of her "brand." TFW touts them as the "nine of us." And we must never forget, "Mine, all mine."
Good for Jon if he is truly trying. Uphill battle to come for him I fear.
Rhymes with Witch said... 81
It just seems like TFW had the tups to get famous, and once the novelty wore off and she wasn't making money off them, she started to resent them. 73
On the show, when she referred to the sextuplets as her "china dolls" I remember wondering if she didn't realize that they would grow up
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I couldn't agree more.I remember her saying the China Doll thing and ''the more Asian the better' which I thought was odd. She definitely treated the tups as commodities and was looking for the Asian angle to sell. The talent agency woman even said there was a high demand for Asian kids...
Jon needs to submit copies of the interviews from the Today and View shows, copy of the blog post from Dr. Glass and comments from any other experts to the court. The parents can bash each other all they want but when she involves the kids and goes so far as to take them on national tv that crosses the line. Someone needs to intervene on behalf of those kids.
With all the 'quotes' recently attributed to both these parents, I wouldn't be surprised if the judge rules all the children should be taken into child protective custody until the parents grow up. By that time the children will be adults.
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Jon Is A Parental Alienator Too! said... 78
You cry parental alienation every time Kate opens her mouth in public (because you actually don't KNOW what she says to her children in private), but you don't do the same with Jon. He has called the children's mother an asshole in a public forum. He has accused the mother of his children of isolating them and hindering their social development. He has accused her of being a dictator in her home. Gosh, one might guess that what he says directly to his children about their mother is as bad or worse...
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Did Kate delete her twitter? No, but Jon did. Kate has always used her twitter to poke Jon.
Did Kate stop talking about Jon for close to 3-4 years? No, but Jon did. When he did speak, he was often complementary. Kate has never stopped getting digs at Jon, telling lies about him and publicly trashing him every chance she could for the last almost five years. Name one complement she ever gave him. Give me a break, when Kate trashes Jon, the sheeple wildly applaud. When Jon does the same, you all cry that he should be more respectful to the mother of his children. And you accuse us of giving Jon a free pass? Puhleeze.
Do Kate's fans EVER call Kate out when she acts like a total jerk? No, but there's never been a shortage of people here to tell it like it is when Jon makes poor decisions. See: two weeks ago when it was discovered that he and Liz discuss his alleged masturbating on CT. Eww. My heart breaks for the twins. Why is he speaking out now? Because the definition of insanity is repeating the same behavior, expecting a different result. He tried to take the good guy route. Kate did not follow his lead. I realize though, you'd all prefer he'd continue to keep quiet while she publicly makes a fool out of him.
Kate has crossed the line and has made a major fool of herself, possibly ruining what slender chance she had of getting herself back on tv. Discuss amongst yourselves. Examine her many flaws and ask yourselves why does she do this to herself, then cries the blues? Why does she never learn? We do that here when it comes to Jon. Until you are able to do the same with Kate, don't come around here anymore crying about fairness.
But, but, but.....if she loses custody..how will she ever justify that big house she lives in for all "9 of us"...you know as they all "decide as a family"...It will blow her whole "its all for my kids" bullshit...OMG..she must be in a panic. She better come up with some new phrases..
Dear Great Defender of All Things Jon: By all means, share your "proof" that she is alienating the children from their father. (Jon's claim that Kate is isolating the twins from him does not constitute "proof.") I'm all ears.
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Kate is an a$$-hole she does seem to have the kids isolated. Did you not see how Kate spoke to the twins during the Today show?
Did you not see how Kate spoke to Cara-(I believe) during the RV trip telling her to "hurry up" while snapping her fingers.
How she told Maddy her nasty hands touched her bodyguards pizza?
How she talks to the kids about adult issues and put them in adult
situation?
Kate also said the kids don't see Jon a lot.
Also Kate is still using her kids to get a show she hasn't stopped since K+8 was cancelled or since J+K was cancelled.
She still uses them on her website her twitter she says she doesn't want to talk 4 them-(her words) But when Maddy was to nervous to "Speak up"-(her words) Kate talked for them again.
She won't say that she didn't beat her kids and dogs on TV but she will deny deny she had a sexual relationship with a bodyguard who's clearly playing her.
Millicent...93
Excellent post.
Sorry thirdly we don't know what Jon does behind closed doors cause he doesn't tell us unlike. Kate who can't keep her trap shut or fingers from tweeting.
Alberta Girl said... 92
Interesting comments from Jenny and Sherri at the end of The View today.
Every week they do a little commentary on the tabloids - this week they did it on celebrity tweets. They brought up TFW's "we're all watching...", and said that they got the most comments about Barbara's last question to Mady about Jon.
Both Jenny and Sherri said it was VERY uncomfortable, and they felt sorry for the girls.
At the end, Jenny says "...and parents, this is why you DON'T put your kids on a reality show!"
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Oh, thank you! I thought they just made a general reference to kids on reality tv, not Kate specifically or her appearance. Haha
Here's the link to Katie Gosselin's "Mommy's Journal" copyright. (Sorry it's so long!)
http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=3&ti=1,3&SAB1=katie%20gosselin&BOOL1=all%20of%20these&FLD1=Keyword%20Anywhere%20%28GKEY%29%20%28GKEY%29&GRP1=OR%20with%20next%20set&SAB2=&BOOL2=as%20a%20phrase&FLD2=Keyword%20Anywhere%20%28GKEY%29%20%28GKEY%29&CNT=25&PID=9CthpQBRSwpLdvP6JCthPg0oznF&SEQ=20140122142731&SID=4
The sheep are claiming J blew through his money from CT. He may have spent it on a downpayment for a house that would be acceptable for custody...step 1.
Most telling, and sad, for me, is TFW encouraging the twins to use their words and really describe how they feel about their younger siblings. Who does that, whether on tv or not? Does she think this is cute? Horrible woman. Go Jon, get the court to really rip her one. Rules, what rules?
I haven't yet read all the comments, so forgive me if this has been said. IMO, I don't think Jon is serious about full custody--of ANY of his kids. I think he's hoping that a guardian ad litem will be appointed to represent his kids and ensure that they're not being taken advantage of by their mother. And, hopefully, such a person would also oversee that the terms of whatever custody arrangement is in place would be FOLLOWED by Kate. If he only succeeds in getting official "oversight" from the courts, then I believe he'll feel he's won.
Both parents have said some horrible things about each other publicly and I'm sure privately and in front of the kids. Someone needs to put their foot down in regard to using the kids for financial gain. Sounds like Jon is doing just that. I hope a judge can take all recent events into acct when making a decision.
Marie
Jon, please stop talking to rag mags and just do what you have to do. The tide has turned for and against, for and against, so many times that it is hard to keep track. But for the record, it is now 'against' again with this latest interview, based on comments I'm seeing (even if half of them are from the same person). Please be quiet.
About that copyright entry--
Interestingly it shows Kate applied for copyright on April 16, 2013, with "previous registration" in 2010.
Every week they do a little commentary on the tabloids - this week they did it on celebrity tweets. They brought up TFW's "we're all watching...", and said that they got the most comments about Barbara's last question to Mady about Jon.
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I would like to know WHY Barbara asked the twins that question. Did TFW ask her to? Why would she put them in that position? It was totally uncalled for. I would also like to know how the other View members felt about the question.
The Daily Mail has an article about the In Touch interview with Jon which includes more quotes from Jon. Here is more of what he said:
"The 36-year-old went on to make shocking claims about his 38-year-old ex’s parenting, and said: ‘When they break her rules, they tell me she still spanks them – and she does it in front of the others to scare them into behaving.’
Jon claims he takes a very different approach, and said: ‘When I punish them, I usually take something away, like an iPod. I don’t spank them because it doesn’t work! I also hold them and talk to them.’
The reality TV star says the children ‘have a lot of freedom with me,’ but alleges that Kate makes them help her pick weeds from the garden.
‘Alexis doesn’t know the difference between poison ivy and weeds, so she had poison ivy all summer long. She was sweating and itchy … It was disgusting, poor kid,’ he said.
Jon branded Kate ‘so selfish’ as he claimed the eight children are not allowed to do after-school activities.
‘The boys always say they want to do things and the girls want to do gymnastics, but she says no,’ he claimed. ‘Kate doesn’t want to waste her time.’
He added: ‘They are not allowed to talk to anyone. Not even counsellors at school.’
However Jon told In Touch of the twins: ‘They get rewarded with special treatment. She’s trained them to mirror her.
‘Kate guilts them into staying home. They say, “Mommy said when we leave her, she gets so sad and lonely.”’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2544073/They-live-fear-Kate-Jon-Gosselin-reveals-plans-sue-ex-wife-primary-custody-sextuplets.html
Okay, wait. Her 2010 copyright registration (following the ID number) was for "I Just Want You to Know."
Wow, if TFW thought the People mag cover and then the talk show rounds with the twins were going to get her a new reality show--she could not have been more wrong. The world saw clearly the extent of her manipulation of the twins, saw her coax Mady to throw both Jon and the tups under the bus, and saw how uncomfortable the twins were in front of the cameras. The View ladies (oh, she soooo wants to be one of them!) turned on her and said that kids shouldn't be on reality TV, Jon had grounds to file a contempt order, and now she has to fight to keep her 6 youngest. What network will want her now? Her entire "brand"--the overworked mom of 8--was destroyed, the networks have a boatload of new excuses to keep her away, and even if one was thinking of giving her a chance--well, she may not even have 3/4 of her kdids for a show, so what's left? TFW, Cara, and Mady? No way they will sell a show on their own.
She destroyed her brand, she destroyed her dream, and she may lose some of her kids. And she did all of it to herself. Talk about bad choices!
#dontsayididntwarnyou indeed!
Don't forget...Kate brags about "masterminding". I swear she does nothing by chance. So yes, for whatever reason, she is up to something.
I believe Kate keeps the tups out of the loop because they repeat things to Jon. I would bet money those kids had no idea that Mady and Cara were going to appear on TV.
I have to say, my personal preference would be for Jon to be filing his contempt charge behind the scenes. I realize he may be selling it to In Touch in order to raise money for such a move, but it really just make him look petty, imo. He shouldn't have even mentioned filing for custody until he's able to do it and frankly not including the twins in his proposed lawsuit make him look like he doesn't care but maybe he addressed that in the article.
As for the contempt charge, she'll likely get hit with a fine and a warning that if this happens again the court will revisit giving Jon joint legal custody as well as physical. It really depends on how much she's down this type of thing before. If I were Jon, frankly this is what I would sue for in addition to increased visitation. I think that is a more likely scenario then full custody, but again just my opinion.
Virginia Pen Mom said... 114
About that copyright entry--
Interestingly it shows Kate applied for copyright on April 16, 2013, with "previous registration" in 2010.
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If WOS copyrighted her journal, then Robert's book is blank pages.
WOS wins again.
Kids lose. again.
Sorry to be a board hog, but I can find "Mommy's Journal," "Eight Little Faces," and "Multiple Blessings" (two filed under "Katie" and one under "Kate") but NO record of "Love is in the Mix," even when searching by title. Beth Carson is also listed on the copyright for "Love is in the Mix," but Jon is not.
I guess neither HCI nor Kate ever formally registered the crookbook. Technically, as I understand it, placing "copyright" on a work automatically copyrights it -- but filing it makes it official to protect the work formally in case someone else claims it. Years ago, I heard of "the poor man's copyright" where you can mail the work to yourself and keep it sealed. The postmark acts as a copyright date stamp. I don't know if that still works.
if the tups go to live with Jon, the "Kate plus 8" goes away.
pam
(Leslie)
Admin., is it legal for a judge to put a ban to prevent both Jon and Kate from talking or leaking any info about any of their 9 kids to any media source? Or is this against freedom of speech?
Is In Touch a very credible news magazine? I just hope that the 6 kids really said to him repeatedly that they want to live with him full-time. And I don't think Jon should have said WHEN he has enough money he will sue for custody. He may never have enough money. What will the 9 years old think when they hear that they MAY go live with their Dad IF he gets enough money. I would think that would cause much anxiety in them. And what will life be for them when Kate hears what they have been telling their father about wanting to live with them?
I do think the time has come for both Jon and Kate to quit going to the media to bash each other and inform the public of intimate family matters. That is why a judge should ban both of them. Yes, Kate is the initiator but I think the public is very weary and leery of Jon's moves
And if Jon accepted money for this In Touch article and his last In Touch article then he is guilty too of exploiting his children. Of course, not on the same level as Kate though. The judge will not look favorably on him collecting money to bash his wife and talk about his kids.
(Leslie)
I always read SchmeckyGirl2 tweets. She is the best. But as of today her tweets are protected. I know she reads here so I wonder if she could tell us why she protected them. Is BV or someone pressuring her? Thanks!
I would like to know WHY Barbara asked the twins that question. ...It was totally uncalled for.
Remember how Barbara did that when Jon was on, also? The group was talking about something else altogether and Barbara just loudly, out of nowhere, bellows, "Do you pay child support?"
It's kind of like her brain is just now catching up with the conversation from 10 minutes ago.
That's what she did with the twins. Out of nowhere, just bellows out whatever question she had been assigned to ask. No matter if it doesn't fit in with the current conversation.
Lets wait for Kate to respond through the media via mag or TV.
She also copywrited:
Bendiciones Multiples.
Type of Work: Entry Not Found
Registration Number / Date: TX0007137398 / 2009-01-27
Application Title: Bendiciones Multiples.
Title: Bendiciones Multiples.
Description: Book, 207 p.
Copyright Claimant: Katie Irene Gosselin, Transfer: Written agreement. Address: 2669 Shillington Road, Sinking Spring, PA, 19608, United States.
Beth Ann Carson, Transfer: Written agreement. Address: 1081 Grange Road, Leesport, PA, 19533, United States.
Date of Creation: 2008
Date of Publication: 2009-01-16
Nation of First Publication: United States
Authorship on Application: Vida Publishers, employer for hire; Domicile: United States. Authorship: Text, Spanish translation of an English title.
Alternative Title on Application: Multiple Blessings
Pre-existing Material: text.
Basis of Claim: Spanish translation of an English title.
Rights and Permissions: Vida Publishers, 8410 NW 53rd Terrace, Suite 103, Miami, FL, 33166, United States
Names: Gosselin, Katie Irene
Carson, Beth Ann
Vida Publishers
Names: Gosselin, Katie Irene
Carson, Beth Ann
Vida Publishers
‘When they break her rules, they tell me she still spanks them – and she does it in front of the others to scare them into behaving.’
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I hope too God that this isn't true but if it is true. It only means that Kate hasn't stopped hitting/beating the children.
If this is true she needs to be stopped now be for she hurts them beyond repair.
Her book "I Just Want You to Know" is filled with exerpts from her journal. A lot of what was in Robert's book was in IJWYTK with the abusive parts edited out.
What is the point of Jon speaking to a ragmag about going to court when he can save enough money?
gee, Jon, give WOS warning about what you are planning.
smart.
not.
Kate may not want the tups but she would NEVER give them up without a fight because her whole mantra has been "I do everything for my kids...they are my life....I am the best mommy in the world"...she would NEVER tarnish her brand as "the mother everyone aspires to be" ok....I just threw up in my mouth a little even typing it.
While I believe Kate spanks the kids and curtails extracurricular activities, the Daily Mail is a tabloid, and the weeds and gymnastics examples have been written about many times before.
Why doesn't TFW punish them for screaming and fighting? I don't understand her indifference to this behavior yet' severeness penalty' for other minor things.
angie said... 36
''how can you copyright material you've thrown in the trash? Robert can prove he obtained the material on such and such date....then how can she, after that fact, copyright her journal?''
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Oh my goodness...still trying to catch up!! I have the same question about her late decision to copyright the journal.
All the good I can see that has done is to PROVE that she did write the journal, and that everything in it is truly her own words, and in that case, every word could be used in a court of law....especially by Jon in his custody battle.
Oh dear, see, those quotes that Kate is a Twit posted (thank you) from the article are another reason I wish Jon would be quiet. If the kids are telling him those things, it should remain private, save for the courts. He is betraying the kids' confidence by spewing that stuff in an interview. Let the judge handle it. Oh boy. How sad.
We know a few year's ago Kate will spanking the tups. Remember the picture of her wailing away on one of the children in the driveway?
(Leslie)
Robert said that the media was only interested in the mommy journals and asked him if they were truly written by Kate. Well, now there is proof that Kate wrote the journal because she copyrighted it. And there is proof that she copyrighted it. Robert should put a big permanent banner across his website about this copyright by Kate. The media seems not to know anything about this. So why hasn't Robert broadcasted (at the very least) on his website about the copyright? Then having proof, the media may talk about the journal. Come on Robert, let the media know the journal is true because Kate copyrighted it.
Here's the problem with Jon's latest revelations to In Touch about filing for custody of the younger kids. It appears as though he's not quite ready to sue immediately and in the meantime, he appears to have disclosed publicly some of the things the youngsters have confided to him (spankings, etc.). If true, I shudder to think how much brainwashing, coercion, punishment and manipulation those six little kids will be subjected to by Kate between now and whenever Jon is able to get enough money together to head back to court. We should all be very concerned about the level of stress and backlash those kids will be exposed to, especially since all of this comes immediately on the heels of Kate's public humiliation and exposure as an abusive parent (by her own stupid, egotistical actions). I am genuinely concerned about these kids more than I ever have been. They will surely feel the brunt of her frustration now as she tries to convince them Daddy Bad, Mommie Good. They should both keep their faces and words out of the public arena. Neither is good. Both are bad.
Jon needs to submit copies of the interviews from the Today and View shows, copy of the blog post from Dr. Glass
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I really don't think a blog post from Dr. Glass would hold up in court. Body language isn't proof of anything; it's conjecture, subject to the interpretation of the person doing the analysis, and I'd be embarrassed to submit a blog written like that. It makes Glass look like an amateur.
She still spanks them???!!! WTF...
I'm not Schmecky but I can tell you why some people lock up their Twitter accounts at various times and sometimes nightly. Kate's fans and BV's thugs are constantly trying to get people suspended. You're only supposed to be suspended if you aggressively tweet people who have you blocked, for spam, and for buying followers. Since we don't aggressively tweet them (thus nicknames) and aren't spam, the "free speech crusaders" like to silence us by buying followers for us when we're not paying attention, then report us to Twitter. So if anyone is going to be away from Twitter for a day or two, or even overnight, they lock up their account to prevent the new fake followers.
They can't compete intellectually or with reason so suspensions have been their favorite tool for silencing us.
So you admit Kate is one? She admits "informing" the kids of stuff. We've seen her isolate her kids and everything else jon has claimed. And if you could shear around the eyes you could see all the posts saying jon needs to stop running to the media.
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Sadly, it isn't early spring yet, and in most climates, especially where it's cold, sheep shearing season hasn't yet arrived.
If the six go to bed at 7:30, then I could see the twins hanging out in Kate's room until they have to go to bed which I would guess would be a bit later. I don't take any issue with them hanging out with her in her room if the other kids have already gone to bed. I really don't. And I can't stand the woman. And remember that scene from J & K + 8 where she started to cry after getting that nice family portrait of all 10 of them? She wistfully said something about how great it was when it was just the 4 of them and her eyes started to well up. Anyone else recall that? I thought that scene was very telling.
Again, be careful what you wish for biatch. You wanted those six for fame and look where it's taking you now.
I just can not imagine how Kate would react if she lost custody of the younger kids. I think though, she would react even more badly if she actually had to pay Jon child support for them. God, nothing or no one would be safe from her wrath. If that would happen, and I were Jon, I think I would be fearful for my life.
White Organza said...
And now that she more or less admits that she did abuse those babies, Jon has a very strong case, non?
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Ex-Nurse: A copyright only verifies that she authored it, not that it was true. I know that is a nit-picky comment, but she did give a title of Mommy's Journal", or something like that. Maybe she will say she was working on a factionalized version of her life.
Yeah, I know...We are talking about TFW here, after all. But, then again, who writes stuff like that when working on a "fictionalized version" of one's own life? Especially when the brand you're trying to sell is one of a super mom. That alone would be a red flag for me if I were a judge. Because that would be crazy. Fact or fiction, a sane person just don't write about beating her babies during their first week of potty training...
I'm only speaking for.myself, by I never thought she stopped using physical punishment on those children.
On the view, why didn't Barbara Walters ask Kate if she sees her own father?
(pm)
I thought the Big House was own by the children. If that is true wouldn't that have to be sold or Jon would be entitled to live their if he were to receive custody of the 6? I do believe their is more to this story then we will ever know for now. I don't think it is Jon's motives to get the house and trust fund, only to protect his children. This is a father that does love them. If the only way he can get something done is through the media, then so be it. TFW is doing it, why can't he?
If WOS copyrighted her journal, then Robert's book is blank pages.
Oh, I don't know about that. I have a copy still on my Kindle.
nope, WOS is the sole and legal owner of the konpound. If it truly belonged to the children, she would have placed the property in a trust. She did not.
The only good thing to come out of this is that production companies will be on alert: TFMJG full legal custody and ability to sign contacts involving filming children will be in question until they are old enough to sign contracts themselves. Their father is capable of going back to court any time to request this be changed. I doubt any production company will want to get involved in custody dispute and put their business at risk of being tabloid fodder. TFMJG has achieved getting her name back in the tabloids, good job!
(Leslie)
Kate was granted the house in the divorce. It is not in the name of the children.
Thanks Tweetie for the info about protecting tweets. It was enlightening and frightening.
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Kate is a twit 116 - thanks for that post and link to the article. Wow. Just wow. Kate wants attention? She's got it.
Sheeple... Man your battle stations.
Admin - Kudo's for starting this blog and keeping it current.
Jon branded Kate ‘so selfish’ as he claimed the eight children are not allowed to do after-school activities.
Just as we suspected.
‘The boys always say they want to do things and the girls want to do gymnastics, but she says no,’ he claimed. ‘Kate doesn’t want to waste her time.’
Thought so.
However Jon told In Touch of the twins: ‘They get rewarded with special treatment. She’s trained them to mirror her.
Obviously.
‘Kate guilts them into staying home. They say, “Mommy said when we leave her, she gets so sad and lonely.”’
One of the many tactics a narcissist loves to use..
It doesn't even feel good to read that Jon is confirming what we've been saying/suspecting all along. Those kids are living with a very sick woman.
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I don't think that it is productive to engage in an argument about this, but please be rest assured that most of us have formulated our opinions about Kate, Jon, and the kids based upon our own observations, (with our very own eyes and ears) of what the adults in this situation have allowed to be shown on film. If what you too have observed, isn't enough to satisfy your demand for proof- then nothing any of us say here will.
Then she can always go with Shrew + 2
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That's pretty much what she just showed the world.
Oops. Meant to say
Sheeple... Man your ba aa attle stations.
I want to help this guy.
I know he will be a better parent to these kids. He isn't without flaws, but I think it would be a healthier situation for all.
I don't think an abused spouse should have to pay support to someone living in an enormous home with heated pool and 3 luxury vehicles. Especially when he has equal time. In Pennsylvania, primary custody pretty much means the decision maker.
side note ~I am fairly certain the children receive dental care at a very reduced cost, as their dentist was an associate of Jon's father.
It doesn't even feel good to read that Jon is confirming what we've been saying/suspecting all along. Those kids are living with a very sick woman. 154
This is one occasion that I would have loved have to be proven wrong.
Yes sheeple, I believe Jon.
Call Me Crazy said... 80
''......I said long ago that she would hand them over to Jon the moment they no longer served her purposes and were no longer of monetary value to her. Maybe that time has arrived. But if this is her intention, she will still make Jon jump through hoops just because that is her vindictive nature.''
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AMEN!
I would also donate to a go fund me for Jon's attorney! I wish Gloria Allred would step up for Jon!!
Count me with the others that have believed that WOS never stopped spanking Jon's children. His comment about her doing in front of the others in order to scare/keep them in line has the ring of truth to me, because that is exactly what MY abusive parents did to me and my siblings. Force everyone to sit on the couch and watch as the 'chosen one' (usually me, as the oldest) get the snot beat out of them!!
Thank all that is holy that Jon's children have him, I would have given a leg or an arm to have had ANYONE to take up for us!I
Hit publish too soon!
I hope that Jon's children FINALLY have an attorney ad litem appointed for them...something that should have been done YEARS ago!
Rhymes with Witch said...(140)
"I'm only speaking for.myself, by I never thought she stopped using physical punishment on those children."
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Me either Rhymes. My personal experience suggests that unless counseling is received and/or parenting classes are taken, physical punishment continues to be the go to response.
Parents who routinely use physical punishment as discipline do not wake up one day and just decide that they are going to stop. Way more often than not it takes some kind of outside intervention.
And in the case of "spanking", Kate does have the law on her side because, as far as I know, it's not illegal to use corporal punishment in PA.
Another point about physical punishment speaks to parental laziness, it's alot easier to haul off a few whacks to a child than it is to sit them down, explain the problem, conceive an appropriate (non-violent) consequence and then follow through.
Who has time for all that when there is tweeting to be done, a cookbook to write, contests to manufacture, a website to neglect and hair and teeth that need bleaching?
It kills me to think that those kids are still subjected to her intimidation, threats and violent reactions. As if being exploited to line her pockets and make her famous wasn't bad enough.
And as far as Jon speaking to the media about this, and this is just my personal opinion, I think Kate has gotten so out of control that he's just choosing to fight fire with fire.
Kind of like how fire fighters start controlled fires to reign in out of control forest fires. I know there's a name for it but it escapes me at the moment.
Again, just my opinion.
Anonymous said... 125
(Leslie)
I always read SchmeckyGirl2 tweets. She is the best. But as of today her tweets are protected. I know she reads here so I wonder if she could tell us why she protected them. Is BV or someone pressuring her? Thanks!
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Me too! Love her tweets
Just a thought. When Jon takes the pimp to court, she would/will take it to the rag mags and put her spin on it (hell, she'll take it to tv given an opportunity).
Maybe Jon put it out so that he's not on the defensive for once.
I just want to remind everyone, that KK never had patience with the 6. That's why Jon was the primary care giver and KK got to hide in kitchen 24/7 and make schedules for OTHER people to follow.
Remember when TFW blogged about the kids doing yard work all day then the got to pick out toys? I remember her saying that M had been in the house doing homework all day. BS. Either Kate excused her to alienate the 6, or M refused ("I don't help around the house" (Kate: "They tell ME what to do."))
Oh no! Goody AND Milo will be stroking out! Really, I think if Kate had to pay Jon child support, Goody would go over the edge.
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I think that happened a long, long time ago! She's so far over the edge now that it's not going to make any difference!
Milo, however, needs to sit down for a few days and figure out how she's going to spin this, with whom she's going to have conference calls to blab dirt about Jon, and her plans to comfort the object of her lust. She has an insurmountable amount of work ahead of her. It will keep her busy for months to come. If Robert doesn't publish his book, I hope he will at least give us some hints as to the identity of this catfisher!
@ T said... 155 :
Thank you - that was very well said, and I agree.
Of course Kate won't let them talk to a school counselor. Her secrets would be out.
admin -- question...
If the journal is copyrighted, and thus in this manner Kate has admitted to being physically abusive to the kids when they were babies, would that come into play in custody court? How far back do they look? That was years ago. Would this come into evidence at all, or would all of that be water under the bridge? I would think that what is admitted into evidence is NOW, not what happened seven or eight years ago.
In Touch really isn't the most accurate of magazines to be honest. Is here proof anywhere else of this?
I love that Jon is going for custody for the tups, they are too much work for tfw, so sad but I believe it is the truth. If he does get custody, watch her pack up her and the twins, and buy a one-way to California, asap.
Now if Jon is going to fight for custody, he may need to be on another reality show, just for the money he needs. If that happens, then I hope that everyone will STOP judging him from being on one! He needs big money, and soon. What else would you expect him to do to get it? We can all sit back and say 'go Jon', but unless we have gone thru a legal fight, we have no idea how much money it really takes. So if he does another show or two, PLEASE leave him alone, and let him do what he needs to do. Unless someone out there wants to pay the legal bills themselves.
Will this now open up another opportunity for a Poor Me, Jon's a Bastard and Trying to Take My Livelihood Away Tour?
Or better yet, she parades the 9-year-olds onto tv to use their own words to say they don't want to live with their dad? *snap, snap*
(Leslie)
Dr. Drew is having a new series on his tv program on HLN about narcissist mothers. He named Madonna last night because of her tweet about her son. I wonder if Kate will be named.
Blowing in the Wind said:
I really don't think a blog post from Dr. Glass would hold up in court. Body language isn't proof of anything; it's conjecture, subject to the interpretation of the person doing the analysis, and I'd be embarrassed to submit a blog written like that. It makes Glass look like an amateur.
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Agree - unless Dr. Glass is considered an expert in the field of child psychology, or perhaps somehow an expert in custodial rights and responsibilities, then her opinions would have no bearing on any dispute re child custody. To proffer her blog posts would not be a good idea.
I hope Jon can find or already has a very sharp divorce/family law attorney. They will know how family law is practiced in their area, and what sorts of evidence they can introduce to support Jon's eventual request for change in custody.
I am so conflicted, because I want NONE of this talked about or written about in the public eye. OTOH that nasty piece of work TFW really did taunt her ex with hashtags, denial of visitation, breaking custodial agreements and finally taking his daughters out on a publicity tour where she encouraged them to talk smack about their father and their siblings. How much more is a person supposed to take, how long do you sit on the high road. Enough is enough is enough.
So Alexis had poison ivy all summer, and the kids want to take lessons and do activities, yet mommy can't be bothered. Sadly, I feel vindicated by this confirmation of everything long suspected. I also imagine the twins have pulled back from seeing their father because they are so threatened by their mother. So if you are pushed so far into a corner, and finally say things that may have to be said publically in order to get judicial authorities to notice, it may be sad and wrong, but someone has to speak for the children. Their mother has stifled their voice. Enough is enough.
Now if there was a "Gofundme" account for this, I'd consider donating provided the money was actually going to be used for attorney fees for custody.
Me too Michelle. This is truly worthy of a gofundme account. Jon's also doing exactly what I wanted him to do. Hopefully there will be some sympathetic lawyer who will take on this case pro bono.
Mel said... 126
I would like to know WHY Barbara asked the twins that question. ...It was totally uncalled for.
Remember how Barbara did that when Jon was on, also? The group was talking about something else altogether and Barbara just loudly, out of nowhere, bellows, "Do you pay child support?"
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When I was an adolescent girl growing up, the name Barbara Walters conjured up a ground breaking female in journalism. She was an example of what a girl could grow up to accomplish. She opened doors for women in journalism. To think what she has now become is sad. I can still respect her determination as a young woman to succeed in a male dominated career. But the Barbara Walters of today seems an entirely different person, and I have no respect for her present self.
It's incredibly unfair and frustrating, but the sad truth about child custody it that it usually (yes I know not "always") comes down to two things 1. money and 2. gender bias. Society seldom disapproves when a father is given a common custody arrangement (such as every other weekend or shared) with the children residing primarily with the mother. However, if the tables are turned, the mother (who to be fair may actually recognize that this is the best arrangement for her family), is often vilified or assumed to be a bad parent when this occurs.
Kate has occasionally admitted that she worries if she is a good mother, and is on the defensive (setting the record straight media tour) far too much for me to doubt that (somewhere deep inside), she may think that the kids may be better off with a different custody split. Unfortunately, she does not have to courage to ever willingly let this happen, and she also has the financial means to ensure that it does not.
What is especially sad is the entire thing could have been avoided if they had both been willing to compromise on some variation of the agreement they declared on the show. If Kate had been willing to let go of some of her control and anger, there is no doubt that Jon would be willing to work with her. Heck, maybe she could even have had that 1 week with and 1 week away from the kids that she claims to prefer. They could even have been one of those "happily divorced" couples and made some $ advising others on how to achieve it. Sadly, I still think that she has not learned that she not equate her with her level of "happiness" with the number of digits in her bank balance.
Since we don't aggressively tweet them (thus nicknames) and aren't spam, the "free speech crusaders" like to silence us by buying followers for us when we're not paying attention, then report us to Twitter. 141
They actually spend money on this crap?
Rhymes, yes they spend money to harm us, even for extensive background checks. They're obsessed.
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I nominate this for comment of the day!
WOS is the sole and legal owner of the konpound. If it truly belonged to the children, she would have placed the property in a trust. She did not.
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Kate was granted the house in the divorce. It is not in the name of the children.
This in incorrect. The property is owned/deeded to a trust. TFW is the trustee. The important distinctions are who are the beneficiaries and what are the terms. Kate is not 'the owner'. Sure, TFW could change the trust, but for now, the property is 'owned' by the trust. The terms of the trust are not public record.
If you want to verify, the info is available online @ the Berks Co. Register of Deed website.
Will Jon also control the $ in the trusts that are set aside for their needs if he has custody?
The trustee of the trust controls the how the monies are used. Whomever has custody has to go to the trustee for funds to be disbursed. Now, if the trustee is TFW and she needs funds for herself - to provide for the kids, then there is no middleman.
I've wondered who controls the trust.
Kate is the trustee for the house and property and whatever else is covered by that particular trust. I've got a feeling that she's probably a trustee for the others also.
Formerly Duped said... 133
Why doesn't TFW punish them for screaming and fighting? I don't understand her indifference to this behavior yet' severeness penalty' for other minor things.
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Hmmmmmm interesting comment. We do see them fighting and 'shrieking' a lot, but you know where we saw them fairly quiet? Celebrity wife swap! Nope not much "shrieking there". But since we do know that they do fight scream. Could it be that the missing factor was Kate?
Also- I agree that she will never let the kids go willingly, but she never really seems to want them around. Even when she had plenty of help and they were at their most innocent & adorable, she would banish them to their cribs, rooms, and basement. Whichever room was the furthest from her is where she seemed to send them. This was often also her solution to fighting. I don't like to even imagine what is going on now that she "does it all alone"...
White Organza said...
And now that she more or less admits that she did abuse those babies, Jon has a very strong case, non?
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Ex-Nurse: A copyright only verifies that she authored it, not that it was true. I know that is a nit-picky comment, but she did give a title of Mommy's Journal", or something like that. Maybe she will say she was working on a factionalized version of her life.
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White Organza said... 145
Yeah, I know...We are talking about TFW here, after all. But, then again, who writes stuff like that when working on a "fictionalized version" of one's own life? Especially when the brand you're trying to sell is one of a super mom. That alone would be a red flag for me if I were a judge. Because that would be crazy. Fact or fiction, a sane person just don't write about beating her babies during their first week of potty training..
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Yes, I agree with Organza. Put yourself in the judge's shoes. A case comes to him where the man claims the children are being abused and are afraid of their mother. He presents her writings (presumably a journal) which she verified she wrote by filing for copyright. The judge sees either a woman who by her own hand admits abusing her toddlers OR a woman who fantasized about abusing toddlers with the same names and ages as her own children .
It reminds me of how people will examine the fictional writings of certain killers (the Sandy Hook shooter being one) and say, "Look, you can see that he was a psychopath even at a young age because he was fantasizing about something most people would not."
Bottom line for me--if I were the judge--I would find the argument that she were fantasizing about abuse highly unlikely, but even on the outside chance that were the case, it would be damaging. Particularly if Jon testifies to the abuse he has witnessed. Heck, Jon, pull out the DVDs...
Of course Kate won't let them talk to a school counselor. Her secrets would be ou
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I think Jon is 'quoted' in the rag mag article as saying the kids aren't allowed to speak to the school counselor.
I say BULL to that....all kids are free to speak to the counselor. Gee, all they have to do is walk up to their teacher and say. 'I want to talk to the counselor'.
done.
it would take courage, but they do have the right. WOS cannot stipulate that the kids can't talk to the counselor...if she did that, red flags would go up every school flagpole.
Okay, Jon and Kate, listen up. Your constant battling in the press is not good for your children. You both chose each other to be the parents of your children and you made a conscious decision to proceed with the fertility treatments, despite your doctor's recommendation that you skip a cycle and wait for one where there were fewer follicles to minimize the chance of multiples (that's all per Multiple Blessings, i.e. Kate's own words).
Your children frankly deserve better parents then what they were given, and while I am confident that they will survive the both of you (although not without some battle scars), you need to ask yourselves if being right (right parenting style, right lifestyle, right opinions, right neighborhood, etc.) is more important than raising 8 children who know that despite their differences, Mom and Dad decided to amicably co-parent for the sake of their children.
You both need to sit down with a mediator and hammer out a new custody arrangement wherein you alternate weeks. Jon apparently lives something like 4 minutes from your house now, Kate, so it's not going to be a big issue swapping kids and if they forget something, it can easily retrieved.
During Kate's week, Jon will do what he needs to do with his life and during Jon's week, Kate will do what she needs to do with her life. You are both the parents in this family, not your twin daughters, so please stop putting them there. Lots of families divorce and they manage to share custody and co-parent just fine. You need to learn from them. Frankly, it should have been the both of you on Couple's Therapy just so you could learn how to grow up, put other people's needs ahead of your own, and co-parent.
One last bit of advice - STOP GOING TO THE FLIPPING MEDIA TO TALK TO EACH OTHER!!! You both have phones. Use them.
I am doubtful either of you will be mature enough to accept this advice and apply it, but hope springs eternal.
You both have exactly five more years with your twins and nine more with your sextuplets. Will they be spent running to the View, the Today Show, Radaronline, In Touch, and the like complaining about how each of you is screwing the kids over, or will you both finally see reason and the effect such behaviors have on your kids. Neither one of you is better then the other, frankly. You've both exploited and continue to exploit your children. If either one of you wants to work in the entertainment industry, do it on your own merits. Don't get hired simply because you gave birth to six kids all at once. Frankly, I have more pride in myself than to let that one fact be all that defines me.
I've said my peace.
Can someone with legal expertise explain to me how it's possible for Kate to "keep the twins isolated" from Jon? They are minors, and a custody order is a custody order, no?
There were various opinions given when we discussed this a day or so ago also, with some saying that visitation schedules should be enforced despite a child resisting with others saying that it might make the problem worse forcing a child to visit a parent when they don't want to. This is something that co-parents work out with each other and the children and if there is a dispute then they take it to the court for help. I'm guessing that Jon feels it's better, at least now, to not push the issue and to just keep reminding the girls that he loves them unconditionally and will always be there for him when they want to visit.
Milo just tweeted that Kate can't breath right for us......lol.
Poor memory? It was Kate that said that about Jon.
I guess she is still getting her talking points from KK.
Why did Leah say on KC that chores they do are dusting and vacuuming? Can that be true? What happened to the housekeeper?
The kids may still be dusting and vacuuming between housekeeper visits. I have one and I still vacuum (don't dust or do windows, lol) in between her visits.
If Jon does get as far as getting to speak to a judge, I don't think "public opinion" is going to mean a thing. Judges rule on the law and evidence, not what the public "thinks", unfortunately. It does not go well in Kate's quest for a life on TV, if she' can follow a simple court order though. I want each child (8) to get their own court appointed representation. Someone needs to speak for them. The twins need to be told about their financial situation (not exact details). They need to know they have money for their private school and college and that they do not have to do Kate's bidding in order to live their current "lifestyle". I think she threatens all of them with "we will have nothing, have to move, change schools" if we don't get a show now.
I resent Jon stirring the pot in public, especially when he is just threatening.
Kate has occasionally admitted that she worries if she is a good mother, and is on the defensive (setting the record straight media tour) far too much for me to doubt that (somewhere deep inside), she may think that the kids may be better off with a different custody split.
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It all makes sense now...her need for her Twitter account. Yes, she needs the adoration, the gushing from her beloved tweeties when she says how much the kids love her, the "you're the best mommy in the world," "you're fabulous," "we love you," ad nauseam. Regardless if any of that is true, and the kids constantly praise her for being their mommy, she is doing this for herself. She is so insecure as a mother that she has to convince HERSELF that all of them love her beyond belief.
There are so very many deep psychological issues going on there, and I wonder what it takes to get a court order for an evaluation. The emotional (and perhaps physical) well-being of her kids depends on it. This can't continue, and Jon knows it. Putting her kids on those two shows, and doing the People interview, was the straw that broke the camel's back. She didn't think before she did that, and it was a high price to pay to try to get a network show while at the same time making a desperate attempt to trash Jon. She thought she was killing two birds with one stone, but sometimes the best laid plans of mice and men will come back and haunt you.
If she's wise, she will take that Twitter down. We all know that she doesn't think before she tweets, and all of this fawning over herself is just going to show how deep her mental issues really are. Mothers don't need constant reassurance that their children love them, and yet, she seems to believe that she does. The emotional tug-of-war that those kids are going through will leave scarring. No question about it.
It's times like these that I really miss Preesi and sue buddy. Preesi for her encyclopedic recall and sleuthing, and I would love to read some sue buddy snark about those interviews.
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I nominate this for comment of the day!
January 22, 2014 at 2:01 PM
I second that Virginia Mom! LOVE IT and so fitting.
A warning to the good people of PA: Coming soon to a nursing home, dialysis center, nursing home, or home healthcare agency - Nurse Ratched 2.0. She'll be even uglier after losing her bodyguard and star status.
Weed pulling?? Isn't that what Joan Crawford used to make her kids do? Sounds like Kate and Joan have a lot in common.
I also imagine the twins have pulled back from seeing their father because they are so threatened by their mother.
I agree but I also think that the BFF bond that TFW has built with them is strong and and she has great influence over them because of the way she manipulates them. I can also see how they could possibly rebel against a father who might not put up with any entitled behavior. The decision of whether to spend time without their annoying younger siblings being BFF's with TFW, going out to dinner, shopping, getting gifts, etc, vs. visiting Dad where the sibs will be and I'll bet the decision is simple especially w/TFW reinforcing their choice. I don't doubt they love Jon very much but I think they're conflicted - the alienation has been too effective.
It's only a matter of time now before TFW starts tweeting pictures of the kids hugging each other (or her) and she'll start in with the "cute" sayings by the tups and more declaring that she's the bestest mommy in the whoe wide world (said in Shirley Temple voices while gearing up to sing and dance). Wait for it!
I agree with all of you who say both parents need to stop speaking in public about these private issues. Please, please stop this!
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