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Wow! This could really open the door for Robert to publish!
Tomorrow, please Admin. There will be so many more interesting comments on The View- I just watched the clip a few minutes ago and some people won't see it till later.
Mickey said..."In fact it is my belief that the reason Jon no longer pays any child support is because he had to prove to the court that he has to provide all clothing for his children during his custody times."
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Nobody knows how much was calculated for child support for eight kids, but I really doubt that buying clothing for them for one night per week and two weekends a month would come close to the amount of child support he should have paid. How much clothing could the kids need for that brief period of time? It's not like they needed an extensive wardrobe for each season.
I'm not sure what all the hoopla is over the different stories coming out of the various Gosselin mouths. In the previous thread I posted about Stockholm Syndrome. The girls, not unlike alot of kids of divorce, have learned to say what needs to be said when they are with either parent. We know the parents don't speak so there is obviously no comparing notes. I would bet my last dollar on the premise that when they are with tfw, it's all about the filming and the crew as family. With Jon, they parrot his verbage. We don't want to film. They have got it figured out.
There's a clip of Kate's view appearance on the abc website. Can anyone confirm if it's complete?
I'm geoblocked, as usual. The show should eventually appear on the CTV website. If anyone in Canada can see the view interview on CTV or somewhere else, please post the link here so all us Canucks can catch up!
(Leslie) You know when Mady answered that reality tv was not bad for them but it made their lives better on the Today show. Well, remember of the last episode of Kate Plus 8 Mady said that same thing basically. But she went on to say that if filming never happened they would have never been able to go anywhere whatsoever. That is Kate telling her that then and Kate is still at it. Here is Mady saying it: youtube.com/watch?v=6NTJi48psAA
It was scripted, but Mady didn't follow it to the letter. When they asked cara what she did to help, she started to talk, then kate interupted and cued her to say what she did to help "after dinner", which cara answered succinctly and then looked at her mother for approval. Later on Mady admitted that it's cara who takes care of the younger kids. And I doubt it's true that they all "hang out" in Kate's room every night, but even if it's true, why aren't they hanging out together in the family room, or one of the other rooms they watch tv in. Wouldn't it be more convient for such a busy mother with a never ending "to do" list,be able to get more done (i.e. fold some laundry tidy up' etc.) in a more central location?
I'm not sure which bothers me more, the lies or the glaring inconsistencies. She contradicts herself within the same sentence all the time. "I sheltered them from the divorce, so there's no limits on what we talk about". Gah? What?
If Mady saw the divorce coming then it may have been a relief to her when it was finally done. Yes, her parents still fight and that is it's own stress, but I have to believe that when Jon & Kate were together, the tension in that house could probably have been cut with a knife and the kids probably were always walking on eggshells. *********************************************************************88 I'm pretty sure those kids are still walking on eggshells. there may not be any of the same tensions at the time of the split, but there is most definitely tension. I don't imagine the weekend trade offs go smoothly. I don't imagine being dropped off and picked up at the gate is not full of stress. tfw and Jon may not be fighting in the presence of the kids, but you can bet they are aware of "fighting" They may txt their issues to one another, but she is relaying HER version of things to the kids. Also, with a mother like tfw, who can rage at the drop of a hat, things are just as stressful, if not more because she is the only adult present. She's accountable to nobody.
"In fact, Kate is completely disregarding how her kids feel by parading them around on magazine covers and morning shows. I know that Kate says her kids miss being on TV, but this cringe-worthy interview shows that isn’t true. I think these poor kids should be left alone so they can have some semblance of a normal life, especially Mady and Care, who should get to be awkward, moody teenagers without the whole world watching them."
If it's such a problem, then given that he's able to now get television work, Kate could petition the family court to re-evaluate the support based on his increased income.
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And that's the bottom line isn't it? If this is such a big freaking problem for the sheeple why don't they instruct Kate to go take care of it? It's up to her. It's really her problem. I assume she is capable of handling her own child support issues.
Carole said... 187 Did y'all catch TFW at the at the tail end of the segment after the silence when Barb asked if they saw Jon? She raised her hands in a gesture to Mady as if to say WTH, why didn't you SAY what we'd practiced?! --------------------------- Kate was also shaking her head no and told M to ANSWER
And that's the bottom line isn't it? If this is such a big freaking problem for the sheeple why don't they instruct Kate to go take care of it? It's up to her. It's really her problem. I assume she is capable of handling her own child support issues.
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Oh, geez...the Goody person has been preaching this to Kate ever since she found out that Jon isn't paying child support. I think Goody's "advice" falls on deaf ears.
Lauren @ljohnson2006 23m @Kateplusmy8 I am sorry that people can't see past the hurtful rumors and let u, cara and mady do some tv shows & bond. They believe rumors
What rumors? It was all documented on the Today show video! Is that what you call what happened on the show? Bonding? Oh.My.Gosh. Sheeple have just hit a new level of stupidity.
And I think she was truthful in saying the divorce was harder for Kate because Kate was squeezing every ounce of drama she could from the situation and Mady saw that. ********************************************************
I agree and I also am cutting Mady some slack. But she's really only repeating what she's been manipulated to FEEL. Really, the lengths a narcissist will go to further their agenda is disgusting. tfw did squeeze every inch of drama from the divorce (which if you look closely, was all orchestrated by her) but then it's on to the next saga of drama, and if there is none, well-she will create it. Just think back to the skydive episode. That was not the first time those kids have seen that kind of display. Then add impossible standards to live up to, physical abuse, random punishments, deprivation on minute, then burden them with your weaknesses, your guilt, your tears...you're right. The divorce was probably a walk in the park.
More people with a larger voice than non-fans are finally speaking out. From Andy Cohen to Wendy Williams to Dabney Porte, someone who's done graduate studies in clinical psychology, works in social media, has a talk radio show, is a life coach:
"Uh oh....She did it again! Ohhhh Kate.... when will you learn that you can NEVER control your children or anyone.
Lesson ~ If you attempt to control your children as they grow, the time will come when they will eventual think clearly on their own and leave you in the dust. Teach your children to think, speak and act appropriately via positive parenting, not a dictatorship!
The exploitation of these children is unacceptable. Not sure why the producers of such shows give her a platform to continue. I show this video (TMZ from last week) only in attempt to teach a lesson from clear adversity."
This article gets it right. An excerpt: In fact, Kate is completely disregarding how her kids feel by parading them around on magazine covers and morning shows. I know that Kate says her kids miss being on TV, but this cringe-worthy interview shows that isn’t true. I think these poor kids should be left alone so they can have some semblance of a normal life, especially Mady and Care, who should get to be awkward, moody teenagers without the whole world watching them.
If this was just hours later than Today, it was long enough to flatten Kate's hair and happy up the twins.No show is going to spring forth from this fiasco. ********************************************************************** hmmm...a rampage of stomping/sweating/spitting/swearing?? not good for the hair tfw, you might want to address that
I didn't say that *I* or anyone else is an authority on teens, anonymous. Don't put words in my mouth. I simply said that it's ridiculous for a mother to proclaim that the teen years are just fine when her kids are barely even 13 and a half. She should check in at 15 or 16 and let us know how it's going. Or better yet, 18 when they have their rights.
Pretty funny....one of the co-hosts was talking about what a good mom TFW is/was. In the background they're showing a video of a harried JON taking care of all the kids by himself.
Also interesting is that most of the videos shown both times were old videos. Pre TLC???
There was one more current video, perhaps Steve shot that. But most of them were very early videos.
Hmmmmm......TLC wouldn't allow their videos to be shown??
Are these the same kids that are up every morning getting ready for school to be at the bus stop by 6:30 a.m.? They weren't awake by the time of the Today Interview?
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Did they stay in NYC the night before the interview? If not, they would have had a very early wake-up call on Thursday for the three-hour drive to the city. Very early.
the Goody person has been preaching this to Kate ever since she found out that Jon isn't paying child support. I think Goody's "advice" falls on deaf ears.
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Yes, and I guess she got her answer. Kate's not going to do any such thing, so time for them to let it go.
It was funny Jenny going on and on about how in the world Kate cooked for eight people. What, she's never had a party with eight people or more? ********************************************************** Ah, it was just SOMETHING to say. How do you segway into her pukebook plug? EVERY time she's to talk about her book, all the interviewers say the same thing. Jenny just read the cue cards she was randomly given that morning. Besides, isn't her son on a special diet? I'm imagining her cooking is just a wee bit more involved than dumping cans/
I didn't say that *I* or anyone else is an authority on teens, anonymous. Don't put words in my mouth. I simply said that it's ridiculous for a mother to proclaim that the teen years are just fine when her kids are barely even 13 and a half. She should check in at 15 or 16 and let us know how it's going. Or better yet, 18 when they have their rights. ******************************* I agree with admin. My kids were great. Good students, good behavior until some issues with one when they were late 16yo to 17 yr old. (And ended up being very responsible successful now because of going through it.)
Yes Formerly Duped. That is exactly what that was. Blatent damage control. I'm betting we'll see that part of the interview front and centre on all the ent.news shows tonight. Just wonder which way they will sway their coverage
What's with Kate and "hanging out" with the twins in her room at night? WTF? She's supposed to be their parent not their pal. And really how many 13-year-olds "hang out" with their mother? They're usually busy doing their own thing with their friends and more times than not moms aren't let in on ALL of their business either.
Well Al W has checked in to say that the twins hate their dad. Robert, we know that you read here so what's your take on that? Also, Mickey, aren't you friends with Al and Polly and they speak only the gospel truth? What's Polly's take on this?
As for the ROL article, with a source close to Kate,(try Kate or one of her lackey friends: Jamie or Deanna) The time this article was posted was: 3 am jan 20th, well before the View, interview, even appeared on TV. Strange isn't it? How would they know what was on the View if the View had not even aired yet? Like that the girls don't see their father, if that is what Mady ment. Who is leaking info for money to the media Kate? Not Jon! Kates on quiet mood again. Probably tryin to figure out more damage control.
And Growing Up Gosselin, I agree with everyone here who thinks that was a concept for another, reality show featuring the kids only, or the twins. Really, what can they offer? We know what: the perks, but what else: how teens grow, how they fight with the younger kids, how poor Kate copes with teenagers, cause we all know Kate will get her mug in there. They have nothing to offer. There is a reality show coming on about rich LA teens, another useless show. Why would I or anyone want to watch rich people or rich kids, who have no concept about anything. In this economy, very few people want to hear about or watch or listen to rich people. With people losing jobs, hours cut, losing houses, no pay increase, be lucky if they can save enough money for 1 small vacation trip, the airfare is expensive, most people would not want to watch these people. The ones who do are nuts.
There's a clip of Kate's view appearance on the abc website. Can anyone confirm if it's complete?
It's been edited. This was reported on the previous page #195 by Formerly Duped: "Barbara's question about Jon is not there now. It was awful to hear Mady diss her siblings the way she did. They also downplayed the 52 point chore chart."
Once again the computer challenged ole lady is stumped! When I clicked on the link for abc to see today's View, something happened that hasn't before.
First, I was required to post my user name and password for my ''provider'', which is UverseAT&T. Why? Am I going to be charged for watching it? In any case, it took me to Friday's show instead of Monday's show, and I don't know how to change it.
Can anyone explain this all to me in the words you would use for a six year old? Thanks in advance!!
With people losing jobs, hours cut, losing houses, no pay increase, be lucky if they can save enough money for 1 small vacation trip, the airfare is expensive, most people would not want to watch these people. The ones who do are nuts. ****** This really grinds my nuts about the Greedy Gosselins- they've been given so much. Their cup runneth over. But, there's Kate, saying it isn't enough. Can you imagine being married to this bottomless pit?
As for the ROL article, with a source close to Kate,(try Kate or one of her lackey friends: Jamie or Deanna) The time this article was posted was: 3 am jan 20th, well before the View, interview, even appeared on TV. Strange isn't it? How would they know what was on the View if the View had not even aired yet?
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Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 42 I'm sorry to say, IMO Mady sounds just like Kate. January 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM ****** Right down the the "honestly??" Valley Girl uptalk. Kate's is raising entitled kids. I can not believe she tolerates them showing such utter disregard for their own siblings. Could it be that it's because Kate herself is the epitome of alienation? Right down to her own siblings and parents. I think the girls have learned that family and close friends are not sacred, and that relationships can dissolve in a heartbeat. Just out of sight, out of mind. Moving on like it's nothing.
Kate got what she wanted, only not exactly what she wanted. She's on the cover of People and have been on two morning shows. Only it didn't turn out exactly how she planned. She was exposed for the fraud of a mother she actually is.
It is very obvious that the twins have been coached and must toe the party line. Mady's slip about her "dramatic silence" and Kate's prompting the girls is ridiculous. The girls cannot speak for themselves. Funny how they giggled to each other when asked some questions. Nervousness?
Typical that there's a Kate "source" to Radar blasting Jon. The source alls a Jon the things they Kate cannot say publicly. She always has others do her dirty work.
The girls did a little better but I see no future until they mature and get from under Kate's manipulation. And my God, those waving talons of hers! I've seen anyone like yo show off their manicure like that woman.
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 13m @BachelorTV @Kateplusmy8 @theviewtv I find your comments hypocritical. You've used your child on the Bachelor/Bachelorette. 2 Seasons of it.
LOL!! What a dingbat! Juan Pablo, this season's Bachelor, didn't put his child on television for the sole purpose of getting a reality show for himself and his daughter, while having the child simultaneously trash her mother!
I can not believe she tolerates them showing such utter disregard for their own siblings. Could it be that it's because Kate herself is the epitome of alienation?
One trick, or aspect, of narcissistic mothers, is that they're quite often nice. This can be so confusing - part of the head-wreckingness of this whole NPD. The niceness always has strings attached though.
They master various forms of abuse, including forcing their children into the Golden Child or Scapegoat roles, and pure and simple bullying.
They're emotional vampires, feeding off yours and others' tragedies, and always dismiss or otherwise ruin your successes and celebrations. I found therefore that dealing with my narcissistic mother involved only the most banal of conversation - I could share neither my highs nor my lows. They also have the twin cruelties of parentification and infantalisation, where they get you to parent them and keep you dependant on them respectfully. A narcissistic mother could do either or both of these.
Another one of their tricks is triangulation, where they make themselves the pivotal point of the family dynamic and everything has to go through them. Add to this, many narcissistic mothers' extreme vanity, and their sometimes bizarre attitude towards sexuality, and you have quite a combination.
My goodness, Radar is leveling allegations against Jon as if they are gospel truth. They allege Jon "sold" his twin to relieve child support payments and that he hasn't seen them in 9 months. If this isn't true, I hope Jon sues them. I'm not all for being litigious, but these reports paint him as a wretched father. I'm not sure saying "my kids know the truth" cuts it here.
Did Cara say she really doesn't like One Direction? Then why that frantic...has to have tickets, on the phone for two days trying to get tickets grifting, making it sound like the both of them had to see the show?
Radar is saying that the girls' silence when asked if they see Jon is proof positive of their allegation that Jon bargained away child support so that Kate can film. Something stinks here. The timing of all of this right before The View interview is quite suspicious.
I remember being a new teenager. I needed my mom's direction because I was finding my way, and I loved her with all my heart, she loved me with unwavering motherly love, and I enjoyed her company. She was my Girl Scout leader, officiated at ALL my swimming meets and volunteered to cook and serve meals for our church youth group every Sunday. She helped me prepare after school snacks when my high school social club met at our house, which was pretty often. We baked together, singing Girl Scout songs while we mixed, and spent lots of time together in small ways.
Still, my main talking and sharing was with the friends at church, at Scouts, at school, in my social club and at swim practices. Then there was my best friend who became my freshman college roommate years later. It would have been so strange to have even my DEARLY loved mother as my chief ear for girl talk. If that is the role Kate wants to play for her teen daughters, I feel they are being deprived of too much.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 28m @steelergirl1014 @Kateplusmy8 Cara is by nature soft spoken & shy..but rest assured, she was not made 2do this. Both girls were on board! :)
This sheeple is insufferable, sick and delusional, actually believing that she knows exactly what the children want to do or do not want to do. I'm just wondering what it's going to take for Kate to shut her up once and for all and tell her not to act as her mouthpiece.
AND........once again, I've embarrassed myself. All I had to do at PatK's link was to scroll on down and click on the photo/link to WOS/Twin's spot. When will I ever learn to keep my mouth shut until I've scrolled all the way down?
Here's my guess on what is going on... If Jon has to be involved in legal decisions over filming, Kate got it in her head that if she could prove he was not involved in the twins lives, she could go to court and have his rights truncated. She could then orchestrate a television project without any input from him. She trotted the kids out and pulled some favors (i.e. Radar online with the twins hate dad story which was probably orchestrated a couple weeks ago) to try to build a case in court where her children are speaking on national tv about how they never see their dad and he plays a minor role in their lives. This is my guess as to why the twins refused to speak. They are too young and far too intimidated by their mother to fight back verbally so they shut down. However, they understood enough to not lie about their father on television. My own personal guess is Cara is shy, but if she takes care of the younger ones, was probably terrified if she screwed up, her mother may take it out on the tups to get back at her. However, things didn't go according to plan. The girls did not come off as strong, independent women who are fully capable of making mature decisions about their contact with their father. They looked like bullied and frightened children with an overbearing stage mother.
I don't think at thirteen Mady and Cara can judge the effect the divorce and all the mayhem surrounding it has had on them. Time will tell. I think it is deplorable for Kate to push these girls in the media to basically defend what Kate says...that Jon is bad and can do nothing right. I don't know how Kate thinks a new show with the twins would be anything anyone would watch. Her last show was cancelled and It featured the tups. Any show with the twins would heavily feature Kate and America doesn't like her. What producer would want to be involved in something certain to flop? The only real interest Kate would generate would be in a D list show like Couples Therapy. Nothing of value to be sure but rather people would tune in to see how despicable she is.
So Kate encouraged Mady to express her not-so-kind feelings about the tups....on tv! Kate and the twins wouldn't be on any tv show if it weren't for the tups. She is well on the way to completely alienating the tups from their big sisters and from her. She is desperate and despicable!. All of those children are going to have serious trust and relationship issues.
ROL has an article about the twins appearance on the View. It's titled "Radar Told You First! Gosselin Twins Respond With Awkward Silence When Asked If They Speak To Their Father". It was posted at 12:05pm, right after the View had finished airing.
Both that article and the previous one were both written by the same author, Amber Ryland.
So don't tell me that ROL didn't know beforehand that the twins didn't say anything when asked that question by Barbara. They post the first article earlier today, and after the View airs they post the second one, basically saying "and here's the proof our first article is correct".
Just because the twins didn't answer the question above seeing their father, doesn't mean that they don't. Kate's telling Mady to answer it, is a bigger tell that they didn't want to lie and say what their mother wanted them to.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 28m @steelergirl1014 @Kateplusmy8 Cara is by nature soft spoken & shy..but rest assured, she was not made 2do this. Both girls were on board! :) _____
Sue said... 40 Well Al W has checked in to say that the twins hate their dad. Robert, we know that you read here so what's your take on that? Also, Mickey, aren't you friends with Al and Polly and they speak only the gospel truth? What's Polly's take on this?
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"Hate their dad"? Gee, when I saw Al's tweet posted here on this blog I did NOT see it as his personal two cents but just noting a link to an article posted on ROL and the subject matter.
As for asking Robert what are his thoughts, again, what did Al tweet other than just posting a link to an ROL article?
Since you asked, on Saturday I did in fact text Polly to see whether or not she wanted to bet with me that SNL would be doing a sketch re the Today interview. When she returned my call we agreed that it was an awkward interview, we felt sorry for the twins, and then we giggled how Kate was humiliated on national TV.
FYI last year I was informed that Jon had moved back to Wernersville -- hell, I even know the history of the property where he is living (depending on your POV the advantage or disadvantage of living in a small town LOL) -- and I have to admit that I was very surprised that Jon volunteered this info that he had moved when he was interviewed on Wendy's show. But because he did tell Wendy this news I knew that Jon was going to be very open during his interview.
Now when I heard the news that he moved I figured that Jon got the down payment thanks to the CT gig and I thought good for him. Jon is on a show without the kids so no one can accuse him of exploiting his kids whereas Kate needs them to get back on TV (I agree with others that all she has done in the past few days is to eliminate any possible hope of that ever happening).
I have not read the 2,000+ comments on 15 in the past few days but I wonder if anyone has thought that the timing of the People article/Today show/The View just so happens to be around the time that Jon and Liz show up on CT?
To be more specific, that Kate must be shaking in her hooker heels as to what Jon may have said in therapy about his marriage and his ex? After all it is not as if he went on a reality show re cooking and casually mentioned while boiling water that TFW was a bitch to live with, right? No this is a show where a therapist helps the clients deal with their past relationship issues in the hope that the next relationship will be better.
Obviously Jon and Liz survive CT and while I'm at it would like to say after seeing discussion about what Liz wears or does not wear or how she talks on the previous thread, IMO I really could care less. If Jon believes that this woman can make him and his kids happy and if Liz believes that Jon and his kids can make her and her children happy, then more power to Jon and Liz as they blend their two families if that is what they want to do, either now or in the future.
Then of course Kate has to be pissed off that not only was it a paid appearance but more than one episode, all of which helped Jon move closer to his kids so he has less travel time during his weekend visitation times. See I happen to believe that not all is OK in the McMansion and if the kids can get to their dad's house on their own by riding their bikes or whatever, then Jon being in Wernersville has to be a good thing.
See I really think that if Kate cannot get another reality show then she will be OK if the kids move in with Jon full time, and if she gets it in her head that it is because of the twins not saying a word that ended her career once and for all ... the twins will be the first to move in with their dad.
Kate is hanging her hopes on Mady to bring in a new reality show. TFW is setting up a scenario by having Mady show her dislike of her siblings, thus providing the necessary tension for potential viewers. Not only was Mady allowed to diss her younger siblings, but took some pleasure in showing her "gift of gab" at her sister's expense, all while Kate was practically foaming at the mouth. My heart aches for Cara, she does not want another reality show IMO, she's the outsider who has been told to tow the line, she looks totally trapped in this lie, it is just shameful.
This was just another example of a bunch of celebrity hacks throwing out inappropriate questions while ignoring what was right there in front of them; one precocious teen, a painfully shy one, and a famewhoring mother. I will give Whoopi some credit, she tried to take Kate out of the equation, but was lapping up Mady's mean-spirited comments at the same. Every one of these adults should be ashamed of themselves.
Another reason I think Mady so easily bashes her siblings (and ALMOST her dad) because it takes the onus off of her.
"The narcissistic mother teaches her non-scapegoat children to accept and support the scapegoating of a given child by affirming and rewarding those children’s perceptions that whenever anything is wrong, it is to be the Scapegoat’s fault. Children adapt quickly to these roles, and learn readily that if they do not want to be responsible for something, they need only turn to the Scapegoat, whose case will never be sufficiently or properly heard, and whose “guilt” is so readily welcomed. Once the other family members have mastered this approach, they are much freer to do otherwise objectionable things without suffering negative
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Is she seriously making/letting their brothers and sisters watch Mady tell the whole world that EVERYONE OF THEM ARE ANNOYING? How sad is that. SHAME ON YOU KATE! And as for you allowing/making your girls bash their father in people magazine. You have caused/allowed them to brake the only commandment that has a stipulation attached to the end of it. Exodus 20:12 KJV Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy DAYS SHALL BE LONG upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee. That makes it quite an important commandment to keep for Him to attach that on the end of it. WOULDN'T YOU THINK? I hope/pray/believe that He will hold YOU responsible for that infraction of His law. I sure would not like to reap what you have to sow. I really feel so sad that YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. Galatians 6:7 BE NOT DECEIVED, God is NOT MOCKED for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 4h Watching together...the little kids are SO excited to see their big sisters on @theviewtv !!! :) #noschooltoday #MLK pic.twitter.com/BbJVMTTwI4
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They must have. Kate gleefully tweeted a pic of them all watching and it was in the middle of the interview. I thought it was terrible. At nine going on ten, the girl tups would have a few things in common with their 13 year old sisters and be crushed by this."My sisters hate ALL of us?" Why would the mother of these twins and tups allow this? Rhetorical question.
If one looks close at twitter pic from Kate this morning it looks like someone under a blanket at right side of Kate's leather sofa maybe Cara probably hiding herself so she doesn't have to watch that darn interview. Maybe Cara and the 6 will see their Dad and say "help".
I agree with Layla and Jumping In that dissing the tups was to show tension and conflict as a draw for Growing Up Gosselin. I also think that Kate says she hangs out with the twins so she can be front and center in the new show. It's all about getting people interested in Growing Up Gosselin.
gawker.com has an article about the View appearance, and also has a clip. Their clip shows the end of the interview that was cut off on the View website. At the very end is where Barbara asks if they see there Dad.
Just look how Mady responds, and Kate's prompting. Mady obviously didn't want to answer the way Kate expected her to.
US Magazine also has an article and this is how they describe that segment:
"Although most of the discussion remained lively and animated, the two became tongue-tied once again when their father Jon, 36, was mentioned Monday. "Do you see your father, too?" asked Walters.
"Um," responded Mady as she gave her mother an uncomfortable smile as she shrugged her shoulders.
"Answer," prodded Kate. Both daughters gave their mother the same uncomfortable blank stares from the Today show last week during a sit-down with Savannah Guthrie. Kate just shrugged her shoulders and made a face in response."
I just watched the segment, and I disagree with the poster who does not think the girls have "it". Mady seems to be a very pleasant combination of both parents. She has the same sense of comedy and quick thinking that served Jon well on the original show. Even if she was fed the dramatic silence line, she delivered it perfectly, and the audience and hosts loved it. Kate on her own, we, and most of the civilized world can all agree, is unwatchable. But I am afraid that the sassy teenager giving it to her uptight, controlling mother could be seen as a winning combination--just as J&K were. Cara is more of a blank slate, at least to me. A national spotlight would put her shyness front and center, but who knows how she would be in the more relaxed atmosphere on her home turf. The twins clearly have a great relationship, are co-conspirators, and, like Milo and Kate, communicate in so many different ways.
The studio audience is a much better venue, and the View ladies asked them questions that were easier to answer. Taking Kate out of the middle was a great move and paid-off in a big way because, since she was off-camera, the viewing public can't see her grimaces and coaching. All and all, I think there was, unfortunately, some damage control achieved--if for no other reason, than because they reflected well on TFW. And we know that because of she made sure we knew that they Jon has no influence via radaronline. Fair or not, she was there and Jon was not, so she will get the credit. People will be forgiving of Cara's shyness, and Mady definitely has charisma, and, IMO, "it". She proved that she could improve with a quick turnaround.
As to bashing the tups, what would be headline news would be "PA older sisters say that 6 younger siblings are NOT annoying!" The world will forgive them for saying this and the world wants child stars, regardless of potential harm to them.
So, for those reasons, IMO, if that was an audition for a new show, I think Mission Accomplished. The twins would hardly be the first media child stars shoved into the spotlight by an overbearing mother, so if we are going to criticize TFW, then it should apply to other children raised in the industry. I do take comfort in the fact that Kate says that they tell her what to do. The girls clearly have her number, and I don't think TFW can outwit two teenage girls. I think that there are many people that would enjoy watching her get her karma delivered to her on a golden platter. I hate to say that, but, I think the general viewing public will be generous in their opinion of the girls, which may be extended to TFW as well. I hate that idea, but I think it is true. The media will love reporting on this, and it will generate a lot of buzz because it follows so closely on the heels of the Today show. That is what network producers look for--not just good buzz, but any kind of buzz. And people who think that the viewing public doesn't like to see children abused by overbearing adults, I have 2 words: Dance. Moms.
TFW envisions a show where the network will spend thousands of dollars sending them on grand vacations and putting them up in 5 star hotels. She envisions them getting the red carpet treatment events as the twins give their spin on all things teenage. However, she'll never be able to keep up with the Kardashians, the Shahs or any of the housewives because she doesn't live in LA, NY, Beverly Hills or even NJ. She lives in rural PA. Judging by what I've seen on the two talk shows the twins don't have "it". They didn't sparkle or shine. Although attractive they aren't drop dead gorgeous. They're normal, every day, run of the mill teens. Just as mediocre as anyone else's teens. The only difference is that the more TFW puts them out there the more entitled they sound (sad but true). The more TFW puts them out there the more desperate she seems. TFW is teaching them to expect everything to be handed to them just because they want it. Well as my saint of a mother used to say...want in one hand and crap in the other and see which gets full first.
PatK, there is a comment I made floating out there somewhere that hasn't shown up here, where I thanked you for telling me to to not click on ''verify'' and for providing the link. So...I'm posting this again to say thank you for helping the ole lady!
Bahahaha! From the article: Mady goes, “Um…” and leaves it at that, despite her mom’s prodding. It’s only a matter of time before she takes over the household Captain Phillips style: “I’m the captain now!”
Thanks carol for posting. Here's another snarky version from Gawker that is pretty delicious too. http://gawker.com/breaking-gosselin-twins-regain-ability-to-speak-1505155347
Kids of divorce do tend to align themselves with one parent at certain stages, and I'm glad Jon knows this, because he's a child of divorce. All the same, it has to hurt him hearing and reading about what his daughter's are saying, and not saying, about him. Wendy Williams (how YOU doin'?) is evidently going through this with her 13-year old son. He's all into his dad right now, and is pushing her away, and it kills her. She just broke down on her show this morning. I wish I could show this to M+C so that they can see how much it hurts a parent that loves you, and I'm sure Jon loves them. I hope sometime soon they have the maturity and strength to not comply with Kate's demands that they publicly address any discord with either parent.
I am sure the sextuplets know full well how their older sisters feel about them. We've all see from Kate + 8 that the kids have no problem sharing how they feel with each other.
Rhymes with Witch said... 85 So after Mady disses her sibs in People, her gestational carrier (aka the Pimp) doesn't speak up when she does so on national tv? _________
I almost forgot about that awkward pause when it was mentioned that Mady liked to sing...it looked like they were waiting for her to stand up and belt one out. I thought, "Oh, no, here we go..." lol
njay, your post! I just got choked up and in tears. God will not hold those children responsible for not obeying their mother. They are innocent. Jesus also said, If anyone causes a child to stumble it is better for them to place a millstone upon their chest and throw themselves out into the deepest part of the sea than deal with Me.
Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh.
TFW: Do you have an escape plan on this?
This reminds me, I saw on a Christian show of a lady late 20's and she went to her pastor and was wanting forgiveness for either her dad molesting her or her husband beating her, can't remember that part. She didn't initiate either one. The pastor jumped up from behind the desk and pointed his finger down at the floor and hollered at her to get down on her knees and BEG for forgiveness. She got down in the floor beginning to speak and all of a sudden she saw Jesus behind the pastor telling her, You are innocent! Get up my child, You don't have to ask for forgiveness! The pastor couldn't hear Jesus. Jesus is so Awesome!
jumping in 77 I will give Whoopi some credit, she tried to take Kate out of the equation, but was lapping up Mady's mean-spirited comments at the same. Every one of these adults should be ashamed of themselves. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Oh yes, whoopie was really enjoying Kates comeuppance at the hands of her own children. At one point, in response to Mady saying the divorce was only hard on Kate and not them she was actually cackling!
I think she was also making encouraging faces at Cara at one point, but it was hard to tell due to the camera angle. No doubt she was on #teammadyandcara though, did you see the faces she made at Babs when she brought up the younger kids and Jon?
Oh, my, I just got back from the grocery store, and there on the stands at each register were the magazines. I saw the latest issue of People, with Trista and Ryan on the cover, then noticed that each rack had a plastic divider that said, "Missed Last Week's Issue of People?" and a squiggly arrow that showed that they are behind the current issue. I checked it out, and yes, copies of TFW and the twins' issue of People were behind the current ones. Sooo, being the nosy busybody I am, I walked down the line behind the registers and scoped out the situation (I wasn't digging through the magazines to count, just looking from the side as I walked along. I'm not that obvious!). In each rack, there were 1-3 copies of the Trista/Ryan issue (one was sold out of them), but behind them in each rack were 5-6 copies of the TFW and twins issue. Didn't look like TFW's issue sold very well, at least not at that store.
Oh, but the Kate's House of Horrors (In Touch) was sold out at all but 2 of the 11 registers.
Sounds like the "dog and pony shows" are not working. Aren't people too smart for this? My dh believes we are all keeping the Gosselins relevant by giving them any notice at all. He said today he read that they are just as popular now as when they had the reality show. Not sure where he saw that article.
If I am doing anything to keep TFW in the limelight, I want to know what to do differently. Using these kids is TFW's claim to fame. The kids are learning from helping their mother chase the golden platter and it is just plain ugly! What kind of people expect to be famous television stars for doing NOTHING? As stated before, there have been no lessons, gymnastics, acting classes, etc. to prepare any of them (including TFW) for a viable show. I understand they just want to be filmed like they were in former years, but there just isn't an attraction anymore. If anyone is watching TFW, I believe it is to see her making a "monkey" of herself. Sad, sad, sad.
Btw- I have been reading here for years have, but only recently begun posting because I finally figured out how to post on my iPad. For others out there with the same issue, try reading the posts in safari, but download the chrome app and post in that instead. No need to make a google account. It does allow you to make a name. I hope it helps others out there who have the same problem. It works on regular computer too. Just have Firefox or IE open in one window and post in google chrome in another.
I hope this explains my sudden wordiness and helps you to forgive me for the multiple postings. I have YEARS of thoughts pent up!
Ex-Nurse, I think I watched a different version of "The View" than you did.
Mickey, kudos to your post. I agree with what you said. It's important that Jon be as close to the children as possible now. Whenever the realization hits Kate that she has no future in front of a camera on a television show I do believe deep down she will be finished with her children. This woman exudes no warmth or motherly instincts what-so-ever...
I just got home and saw that Timex has struck again. I hope and pray that Jon takes her crazy ass to court and proves that she is intentionally alienating him and leading people to false impressions. I don't think she's human...maybe alien.
The "fun" times with my kids came at different ages. My son began his rebellion around fourteen and it's still going on to some degree. I had some very minor issues with my daughter around eighteen. So yeah, TFW ain't seen nothing yet. I also agree about the hanging out with your kids. First of all, I don't really believe it and second, almost anyone with a mental age above twelve knows that you do not attempt to be buddies with your kids. I told mine that I don't care if they liked me, I was going to do my job and be a parent. Of course there's more going on with the Gosselin saga, the main point being the parents cannot stand each other and there's an immature, crazy wench of a mother who wants to ruin her children's lives by taking their father away. You never take a loving father away from his children. NEVER. The ramifications last throughout their lives. Somebody please, please stop her and for God's sake stop giving her an audience for her lies.
Now I gotta go hit the treadmill before my head implodes.
I keep reading everyone talking about Cara being shy, but I remember things differently. As far back as Jon&Kate+8, she was refusing to cooperate. I remember many comments about her being ''sullen'' during that time when she was silent on an episode. Is my memory not correct?
I'm convinced that her ''shyness''/not speaking is her ONLY defense against WOS relentless campaign for being back on television.
I know that Jon will be approached to comment on the View show, and I really hope that people don't start bashing him for responding. Once again, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt!
Regarding Kate allowing Mady to bad-mouth the tups on the View and in People--I think she encourages that kind of behavior. The narcissist in my life (my MIL) did the same kind of thing with my Dh and his sister (my SIL). She tried to stir up trouble between them, trying to alienate them from one another. She wanted to be everyone's favorite, so driving a wedge between them was her way of doing it. My DH became the "bad kid" and my SIL was her perfect little princess. That attitude continues to this day. DH and his sister are very close, but the interesting thing is that DH has grown to be very successful and driven, while my SIL is very emotionally fragile and needs meds for stress and anxiety. It's sad to see what that vile woman did to her. Still, Dh and his sister are clue, they support each other, and as adults they talk through their troubles with my MIL. Her plan backfired, and made life very difficult for her favorite child.
Oh, my, I just got back from the grocery store, and there on the stands at each register were the magazines
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How long were the lines? Everyone here is stocking up. I just got back from the store and they had to call in more employees to help out. This storm came out of nowhere. When I checked last night, it was just some "snow flurries," and now we're in the eight inch band.
Here's the thing....as a mother of 2 "late" teens, these years are so tough, their bodies are changing, their lives are changing, they are going to be facing so many choices, good and bad. These girls (and eventually the other 6 Gosselin children) are going to need strong and loving parents to help them navigate through these next 5-8 years. Kate has neither desire nor the ability to do so. Their only hope is Jon and I believe, hope, he knows this.
I am sure the sextuplets know full well how their older sisters feel about them. We've all see from Kate + 8 that the kids have no problem sharing how they feel with each other.
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Remember when they had a birthday party for the six, and even back then the twins felt slighted, and they asked their mother why their siblings had multiple birthday parties and they got only one. I can't remember exactly what Kate mumbled, but you could tell that answer didn't sit well with the twins.
I haven't had a chance to read all the comments yet and I'm in the middle of making dinner, but I did just read an article from US Weekly. It seemed like the girls did better, but clamed up when it came to their dad. They can't lie about that at all. Kate is wanting them to, but they just can't. Hopefully after dinner I can find the video online to see what really happened and what was said. But, I don't think my opinion will change.
Listen, in my teen years I was an absolute angel. Now, now, stop shaking your heads in disbelief. It's true I tell you- an absolute ANGEL! And yet despite my squeaky clean "record", if you were to put the things that I said when I was in a good mood about my parents and siblings in the national media spotlight, I would be horrified- and I don't even want to contemplate the outcome of what I said if it occurred during a bad mood. That's why there are so many warnings about the perils of social media. People say and do things they regret all the time. Does kate actually think that this does not apply to regular media as well?
Here's a show idea Kate- it will be a motherhood contest starring you, Dina Lohan, Octomom, and Kris Jenner. The first one to look away from the $ signs and their mirrors wins.
I love the Gosselin twins but what entertainment value can they offer. They are average in looks and seemingly in talent. One is precocious but we've seen has a temper like Kate's. The other is painfully shy and wants to be left alone. I'm certain a huge part of the plot would center on the animosity between Jon and Kate because that's the only interest. Even the tups are of little interest to warrant following their lives. The main focus would be Kate, no doubt and Kate and My 8 was a flop. Again, why would a network or producer want to promote a no win situation? I think there is no show but Kate is putting it out there that there is hoping it will happen.
PADutchMom(110) The lines at the store (I went to Giant) weren't too bad, but one thing I noticed was that all the registers were open. I have never seen then all open and manned at the same time. We are expecting snow tomorrow, too, but we don't usually get hit as badly as you do up in PA (we're just north of DC). The milk and bread were pretty scarce, though. People are definitely getting ready for some snow.
Ok, so even if this is a teaser for "Growing up Gosselin," who is going to watch it? For some unknown reason, Kate thinks her 6 rabid fans translate into 8 million eyeballs. K+8 was a bonafide failure. Why would anyone take a gamble on doing this again?
This woman's relentless obsession with getting back on tv is horrifying. She has no morals, no empathy and no level that is too low to sink to in order to get her withered mug back on tv. She couldn't care less about the trauma and damage these kids already have suffered being raised in a home that was a tv set. She just doesn't care. Getting that tv paycheck and perks is more important than her own flesh and blood and their well being.
I wonder if anyone has thought that the timing of the People article/Today show/The View just so happens to be around the time that Jon and Liz show up on CT? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Of course. Not that she has ever given up her dream of any publicity and TV offers.
Silimom: I agree with you that all that vicious fighting both on the show and the recent clips reveal a rivalry and lack of cooperation and respect for siblings. But to hear it on TV while your mother encourages you to watch and be proud of your sisters!
Ex: Nurse: I disagree with you that Mady has an IT factor.To me she seems sassy and bratty and willing to put down the tups and her twin, and still loves the spotlight on her own terms. Cara was quiet, but I recall the outbursts of sheer meanness on the show to siblings and visiting children.And the first time was over a pair of sandals different from Mady's for the Dutch Wonderland, I think.Even from TFW's reports she throws fits over clothes. ( jeans, yoga pants) I think she''s a storm cloud always ready to burst.
Both those girls are IMO more affected by the divorce than Mady cheerfully stated.Neither is a good choice to work on TV or a singing career at this young age.
Kate may also be trying to make the twins her allies as she knows that she won't be able to control the tups by herself. They are already showing signs of sassiness towards her. I remember my niece who is the oldest of 5 children, telling me, at a very young age, that when she and her sibs united, they were essentially indomitable. Kate doesn't stand a chance with the tups.
GoKingDaddy88 @GoKingDaddy 4m @kateplusmy8 you should also remind Mady that if it wasn't for her younger siblings, she wouldn't be sitting on The View today.
Damn skippy. If those HOM's didn't come along, Mady would be living in a mediocre house, living a mediocre life.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx @kateplusmy8 you should also remind Mady that if it wasn't for her younger siblings, she wouldn't be sitting on The View today.
__________________ Maybe that was the issue at hand. The girls didn't want to be on Today or the View, and it was the fault of their siblings that they were there!
Remember when they had a birthday party for the six, and even back then the twins felt slighted, and they asked their mother why their siblings had multiple birthday parties and they got only one. I can't remember exactly what Kate mumbled, but you could tell that answer didn't sit well with the twins. ****** Kate lied to the twins and told them the tups had multiple birthday parties because they were premature. The REAL reason was that the parties were for filming.
What do the collective "you" think of BW's incoherent mumble about the girls maybe being on another reality show? Was she speaking from inside knowledge or Kate's dreams? Could not tell if she wasn't supposed to talk about it because show is a secret, or just didn't know what the hello, I'm Barbara Walters, she was rambling about?
Kelly (107) You're right, TFW ain't seen nothin' yet. I have 3 sons on their 20s (already through the teen years, whew), two who are teens (17 and 14), and a few more who are younger. The teen years can be a tough balancing act. You want to have a close relationship, but you have to remain the guiding force. Each child is different, too, so the teen years are different for each one of them. The moodiness, the testing of boundaries, all come in differing degrees with different kids. I don't "hang out" with my kids like I'm one of their teenage buddies, and neither does my husband. We play cards, have family activities, but back off from the buddy-buddy thing. It's always a pleasant surprise when they say, "Mom, want to go to the mall with me?" (which is actually code for, "Mom, do you and your credit card want to go to the mall with me?"), or ask us if we want go to to the movies with them.
Kate needs to let the kids have their own friends. She can't replace peers in their lives. She seems to be trying to fill their need for same-aged friends to keep them from having lives of their own, apart from the family, and that is damaging for them. This is the time in their lives when they become independent and discover who they are. They need to be given the space to do that. Having a mother as their best friend is not allowing them to form healthy relationships elsewhere.
What kind of life are the Gs living in that house? Shutting everyone out, bonding only with each other, living for some impossible dream of a reality show. Those kids are not being prepared for real life.
sparkle (122) Kate thinks that if she can get herself back on TV then whatever damage has been done to the kids will all have been worth it. 20 years from now, she will still be trying to claw her way back onto our screens.
I remember my niece who is the oldest of 5 children, telling me, at a very young age, that when she and her sibs united, they were essentially indomitable. Kate doesn't stand a chance with the tups. 124
Mady said the tups are annoying not only as a group but every.single.one.of.them.
I had an older brother I idolized. I'd have been crushed if he'd said that about me on national TV.
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My two girls are four years apart, just like the twins and sextuplets. My younger one has always adored the older one--I even have a picture of the younger one as a toddler sleeping standing up with her head on her sister's bed just to be close to her.
Fortunately, my older daughter reciprocates that love and respect. I don't think the younger one (now a teenager) would ever get over it if the older one did this to her, even now.
Kate is an evil, evil witch. She just destroys those kids constantly--always in new, creative ways.
Ex: Nurse: I disagree with you that Mady has an IT factor.To me she seems sassy and bratty and willing to put down the tups and her twin, and still loves the spotlight on her own terms.
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And when Mady said "honestly," it sent a chill up my spine!
I'm pretty sure those kids are still walking on eggshells. there may not be any of the same tensions at the time of the split, but there is most definitely tension.
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Yes, when I see the twins looking to their mother to gauge how to respond to the interviewers' questions I know they are walking on eggshells. My mother never clapped her hands, snapped her fingers or flapped her hands at me but I sure was adept at reading her face and her body language. I knew when it was safe to act "normally" and when to lie low. Those twins were watching her closely. I recognize that behavior.
Kate is an evil, evil witch. She just destroys those kids constantly--always in new, creative ways. January 20, 2014 at 3:44 PM ******* How excited did Kate look when she told Mady "You've waited your whole life to answer this". Yeah, Mady, tell the world how much you think the tups are a PITA.
Tucker's Mom said... 116 Paula said... 106 Ex-Nurse, I think I watched a different version of "The View" than you did. ****** Me too. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Me three/four/however many !! !!!!!!
I seem to recall Kate getting greatly offended a couple of years ago when someone tweeted her that she looks at her children as "commodities". If the story that she waived her right to child support in exchange for filming rights of the children is true, isn't that the very definition of a "commodity". She feels she will be better off financially with the right to film her children for monetary purposes instead of collecting child support.
I can't imagine many single mothers who are "piecing and patching" an income together would make that deal.
Also, if they are hoping for a new show based on the twins and the hassles of living with six younger siblings, good luck with that. Toddlers are cute and entertaining. As any parent with more than one child knows, there is nothing cute or entertaining about siblings bickering. It's the worst part of parenting IMO.
Paula said... 106 Ex-Nurse, I think I watched a different version of "The View" than you did. ---------- I was trying to see it the way a casual viewer sees it. Most people don't follow this story closely and isn't watching for Kate's mannerisms. They aren't backing up to see how she is holding her hands and the expression on her face at any particular moment. TFW greatly benefited because she was off-camera. I guess I didn't see the point in adding to what so many people already said. But, in case you think that my comments mean that I don't think that she is a very poor example of a mother, a human, an American, a Pennsylvanian, a Christian and a role model for her daughters, let me clear that up right now---I do. She will never stop exploiting them until the day she takes her last breath. I just can't apply words like horrific or worst--I reserve those for mass murderers and murderous dictators. As many if us have said, karma will come when she has teenagers, and she is no match for them. Teenage girls met out a unique type of punishment, and she ain't seen nothing yet. They have been learning at the feet of a master manipulator, and they are a team. Her words of "No never means no", and "you either stand with me or against me", just for starters, will be her undoing.
Sherry Baby said... 127 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx @kateplusmy8 you should also remind Mady that if it wasn't for her younger siblings, she wouldn't be sitting on The View today.
__________________ Maybe that was the issue at hand. The girls didn't want to be on Today or the View, and it was the fault of their siblings that they were there! ___
Remona Blue said... 142 Tucker's Mom said... 116 Paula said... 106 Ex-Nurse, I think I watched a different version of "The View" than you did. ****** Me too. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Me three/four/however many !! !!!!!! ________ #5 here.
I didn't know what to post 're:ex-nurse's post, but I conquer, must have been a different show. "Mady seems to be a pleasant combination of BOTH parents"?"They reflected well on tfw"? Not sure what to say
I was just flipping channels and caught the end of Family Feud. It was Cake Boss versus Honey Boo Boo Family. How long until TFW tries to get her mug on there?!
Maybe they see him, maybe they don't. Either way, their relationship with their Dad isn't anyone's business except their's. Who knows what the truth is, but I suspect that is some variation or amalgamation of both stories. I also suspect that it has changed from what it was, and most certainly will change yet again. Relationships are fluid in nature and not meant to be static.
Maybe sometimes they prefer to stay home and have a break from taking care of the little kids, or maybe they don't want to share a more cramped place. Maybe there are other times that they can't wait to escape Kate, or have a change of scenery. Maybe it's common benign issues, or maybe there are malevolent intentions and hidden agenda's involved. I can't be alone in thinking that one of the puzzle pieces involves the $? I thought I read somewhere (possibly Preesi or Robert) that she can take $ out of the kids accounts to pay for things they need such as food, clothing' shelter, etc.).
Who knows? Nor should we. I truly think that is some combination of all of the above, but I do find it highly suspicious that she has now pushed 3 times for the girls to speak about. Perhaps there's a gag order from the judge that Kate is trying to get around by using the kids as her mouthpiece? I can see Kate now- "Who me Mr. Judge Man? Why I would never! (points at twins) they said it"!
Kate Gosselin is pitting the kids against each other exactly the way her sisters/brother did to her. Most likely saying/thinking I'll show you guys these kids are mine alone and no one will change that; I laid on bed rest for 23 weeks.....................................etc and the ones that don't follow Kate's rules are gone and Kate won't even cry a tear.
Paula said... Kate has neither desire nor the ability to do so. Their only hope is Jon and I believe, hope, he knows this. ------------- Unless Jon can regain some kind of vote regarding television appearances, it will be virtually impossible. The woman is absolutely shameless, and will stop at nothing to claw her way back, including the blatant exploitation of her own children. Jon actually works, and is in a long-term relationship. He can't match her financial resources or the seemingly unlimited time to scheme her next move. Conducting this full-scale war in the public eye only ups the ante for TFW and gives her bigger and better venues to exploit her children and alienate their father. She just sinks lower and lower. I have waited for years to see if she has a bottom, but, just when I think she can't go any lower, she does! She is to the human race what a cockroach is to the insect world.
She is the type of kid who I'm sure will be very successful in school, will probably be a school art star excelling in drama, the star of the play senior year. And that's as far as she will go much like most other normal kids.
For one thing, the huge long pauses, rather curt responses at times, and lack of personality are a huge no no.
It is a rare, rare child who has it. Having it means that you often do things and like things that are very un-childlike and not typical.
SwingsandRoundabouts said... 140 ''.....Those twins were watching her closely. I recognize that behavior.'' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That comment made me gasp! I just realized that DECADES later I still am very aware of my space, and make certain that I am an arms length away from everyone. Years and years past being physically abused, I'm still watching and waiting for someone to hit me.
Thank all that is holy that Jon's children have him as their safe place to relax and not have to please him with every look and comment or fear of being ''happied up''!
Isn't speaking unkindly about your siblings "bullying?" I thought TFW had spoken to her children about that, in all the June Cleaver teachable moments she pretends to have. And yet she stood by and let her six youngest children be maligned on national television, by their own sibling, without comment. How did that make those children feel -- to have their own mother not come to their defense? And, to make it worse, be forced to watch said criticism while your picture is being taken by the aforementioned mother? It makes my head spin.
???????? Were we watching the same show Ex-Nurse? Lets see, Andy Cohen's bread and butter is the type of show you described above and judging by his earlier tweets today I think he's going to pass. Two sassy teens talking back to their parent(s)? Turn on any sitcom and you'll see just that. I still don't see that they've got anything to offer the viewing public. They don't want to work at the craft and become actresses, they want the easy money and fame of a reality show.
If she were able to con some network into giving them another show does TFMJG really think that she'd be able to command the fat paycheck and perks she got before? Ain't gonna happen. Additionally I don't think anyone wants to see her going on wonderful trips. I think they'd rather see her miserable in a broken down RV. As for watching kids talking back to mom? I'll just look to my own when they're in a pissy mood.
Formerly Duped, I'm with you. I found Mady to be a bit obnoxious. I did not like her attempts at being a ham. Mady and her mother were both loving the attention and the clapping from the audience when Mady thought she delivered a good one. It really turned me off. I preferred Cara. She wasn't basking in the adulation like her sister and mother were. I don't care that Mady is only 13. I just didn't like her delivery. Kids like that have always rubbed me the wrong way.
Michelle said... 143 If they are hoping for a new show based on the twins and the hassles of living with six younger siblings, good luck with that. Toddlers are cute and entertaining. As any parent with more than one child knows, there is nothing cute or entertaining about siblings bickering. It's the worst part of parenting IMO. &&&&&&&
Yes! No one wants to watch a bunch of kids fight & bicker. What part does she not get? Just because 6 of the kids were born at the same time, it doesn't make their fighting any more special or captivating.
It is a rare, rare child who has it. Having it means that you often do things and like things that are very un-childlike and not typical. ***** Like Chef Jack. Now, there's "it". Talent, courage and has great presence on camera.
Like Chef Jack. Now, there's "it". Talent, courage and has great presence on camera.
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Years ago, a friend of mine who is a stylist had a business meeting with Haley Joel Osment and his sister and parents. This is when he must have been 7 years old or so. I don't think it ever amounted to anything, but she said she's never seen anything like those two kids. They talked like adults. They were attentive. They had big personalities. They were funny, engaging, and out of this world smart. They were polite and did whatever they were told. They had the kind of firm and confident handshake that it would take any adult years to really master. Most seven year olds wouldn't even think to shake your hand.
That is the kind of child who has "it". No they're not all like this but most of them truly are a sort of freak of nature.
Isn't speaking unkindly about your siblings "bullying?" I thought TFW had spoken to her children about that, in all the June Cleaver teachable moments she pretends to have. And yet she stood by and let her six youngest children be maligned on national television, by their own sibling, without comment.
You know what I "didn't" hear on The View Today? I didn't hear any of the hosts mention that every audience member would be receiving a copy of The Crookbook. LOL LOL
Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said... 162 Formerly Duped, I'm with you. I found Mady to be a bit obnoxious. I did not like her attempts at being a ham. Mady and her mother were both loving the attention and the clapping from the audience when Mady thought she delivered a good one. It really turned me off. ****** I was turned off my her mouth, too. Mady has Kate's "sense of humor", which is to say, getting a laugh (or mostly not) by putting others down.
SwingsandRoundabouts said... 140 ''.....Those twins were watching her closely. I recognize that behavior.'' ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That comment made me gasp! I just realized that DECADES later I still am very aware of my space, and make certain that I am an arms length away from everyone. Years and years past being physically abused, I'm still watching and waiting for someone to hit me.
Thank all that is holy that Jon's children have him as their safe place to relax and not have to please him with every look and comment or fear of being ''happied up''!
FlimsyFlamsy said... 160 Isn't speaking unkindly about your siblings "bullying?" I thought TFW had spoken to her children about that, in all the June Cleaver teachable moments she pretends to have. And yet she stood by and let her six youngest children be maligned on national television, by their own sibling, without comment. How did that make those children feel -- to have their own mother not come to their defense? And, to make it worse, be forced to watch said criticism while your picture is being taken by the aforementioned mother? It makes my head spin. &&&&&&&&
Umm, no Flimsy Flamsy... bullying is something that is only done to Kate Gosselin. Just like only Jon has "injured" the kids. When Savannah asked Kate if putting them on tv to discuss the injury injured them even further, Kate replied "there is no injury." And there you have it! Jon's alleged injury- bad. Kate's alleged injury- "there is no injury."
When Kate is called a poo poo head, she is being bullied. When she allows her twins to trash their siblings on tv and even single them out by name- it's fabulous!! Any questions?
They allege Jon "sold" his twin to relieve child support payments and that he hasn't seen them in 9 months
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I guess the numerous tweets seeing them out and about with Jon, from accounts that show no prior history of being involved in the Gosselins, were lying. It's Radar.
Going to say this as kindly as l can. It's time to stop gasping and 'oh no she didnt' ! comments and step up to the plate and help Robert Hoffman get his book out. He has explained on his blog he's incurred massive debt from defending himself against Kate & her lawyers. He cannot afford to publish his book. Time to really have his back & show him some gratitude for his selfless work. If you want to know how, let me know. Enough of this crap!
I am One of Eight said... 149 I was just flipping channels and caught the end of Family Feud. It was Cake Boss versus Honey Boo Boo Family. How long until TFW tries to get her mug on there?!
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Well, let's see. M&C are probably old enough to know some of the common sense answers; but the tups are probably not. She would need two more team participants. Deanna and Steve? Deanna and Milo? Steve and Milo? LOL
Not sure she has many others in a pool to choose from.
I barely caught it, but Jon was on inside edition. Said he sees the twins at pick up and drop up because Kate isolates them and they seldom come to his house. So....just as I said earlier- an amalgamation of the truth.
He really should parlay this into working with Parent alienation advocates. Lemons into lemonade.....
Flimsy, I should have added that in that diseased brain of Kate's, if it's not directed at her, then it ain't bullying. Remember when she constantly dissed Mady on the show? (not to mention what she'd say about Jon when he was sitting right next to him).
The divorce didn't affect them??? That's another call for counseling. Divorce affects everyone in the family.
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I actually believe them on this and the reason is because Jon and Kate were raising them separately for so long. Kate was going out of town so much and they were often just left with Jon. Their lives ran on separate tracks and were very busy.
I think there was a lot of people in and out and a lot of instability and I really do believe it was their normal. Kids are resilient and tend to just get on with things, and they actually say that it's better to divorce when kids are young and can adapt easier.
What is concerning however is that they are very aware that Kate has had a hard time dealing with it and still to this day remarked about that. That suggests they were not protected from very adult emotions and had to shoulder her emotional burdens at a far too young age. That is going to affect them when they are older. And of course the parental alienation is the other big concern. They will have a lot of resentment built up but it won't be from the divorce itself.
It seemed like the girls did better, but clamed up when it came to their dad. They can't lie about that at all. Kate is wanting them to, but they just can't. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Yup. Of course they can't say they don't see him,( because they do), but they also don't spend a lot of time together either. No wonder they clammed up. Jon was right. A moral dilemma about who to please.
Admin (167): That is the kind of child who has "it". No they're not all like this but most of them truly are a sort of freak of nature.
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I don't know if the twins have the "it: factor or not, but Mady seems like the spunky one who would say her mind regardless of what Kate says. She's always seemed like the one child who would question her, who would speak up to her, and yes, who would even defy her. She has a kind of spontaneity that the others don't seem to have.
That said, though, would a show fly if it featured only Kate and the twins? Doubtful. If Kate couldn't make it with Kate plus her eight, viewers aren't going to be jumping with joy and anticipation for episodes featuring just the three of them. Oh, sure, the first few episodes might draw viewers who tune in just to see Kate behaving badly. That gets tiring very fast, and a Growing Up Gosselin show will go the way of Kate's last show featuring all of the kids. What network wants to go to that expense, and put up with a demanding Kate when they know darn well what she's like to work with? Only a network that has a death wish.
By those girls refusing to comment about their father shows that they have more sense than any of the adults. The questioner for asking and their mother for allowing it.
I think she was also making encouraging faces at Cara at one point, but it was hard to tell due to the camera angle. No doubt she was on #teammadyandcara though, did you see the faces she made at Babs when she brought up the younger kids and Jon?
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Haha Whoopie cackling.
As much as I think Whoopie would rejoice in Kate falling flat on her face, I really believe that woman has a good heart and doesn't want the kids to fail no matter how much she can't stand their mother. So she did her best to ask questions she knows any 13 year old could answer with ease, and tried to make them more comfortable by trying to get them to stop looking at Kate for direction, and really did one hell of a job of guiding them along so they don't look foolish.
I credit her really for keeping that interview on track and making it go as well as could be expected. Not that I'm blaming Savannah, who I think did the girls a big favor in the long run by making Kate look like the parental alienating puppet that she really is.
"What kind of life are the Gs living in that house? Shutting everyone out, bonding only with each other, living for some impossible dream of a reality show. Those kids are not being prepared for real life"
That is EXACTLY what Jon meant when he gave the interview to a tabloid, saying his kids are isolated and don't know how to interact with children other than their siblings.
Me thinks TFW will again be one of WW hot topics tomorrow. Will have to DVR the show and find out.
As far as a show called Growing Up Gosselin. They've done that twice. J&K+8 and Kate+8. Same shows. Different names. Jon bailed on the first and TFW failed on the second. This new show will not get off the ground. I agree with the posters who said everyone likes a train wreck but people do not like train wrecks when they involve children. The Today Show interview proves that.
Ex-Nurse, I think I watched a different version of "The View" than you did. ****** Me too. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Me three/four/however many !! !!!!!! ________ #5 here.
Going to say this as kindly as l can. It's time to stop gasping and 'oh no she didnt' ! comments and step up to the plate and help Robert Hoffman get his book out. Enough of this crap!
I agree with Layla and Jumping In that dissing the tups was to show tension and conflict as a draw for Growing Up Gosselin
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I didn't think of this myself but that's brilliant. Of course that could be going on here. The ladies here are so intuitive.
Somewhere Kate read that a good show has tension and drama and so the only drama she could cook up is that the Twins hate the Tups. Sort of like an idea of hitting the teen years with kid sister in your hair, hilarious antics ensue.
And if that is what is going on here, that is pretty darn sick.
Michelle, she may be covered up, but look how she's sitting! Ugh. That is a classic position of someone who is uncomfortable. For goodness sake, woman, cross your ankles or something! http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/kate-gosselin-twin-girls-speak-the-view-clam-up-about-dad-jon-recap-2014201
A few things I noticed between the today show & the view; I thought Kate was much more antimated on the View. She clapped as they walked up to the stage & looked back to the girls while clapping. I'm not sure why, maybe to motivate the girls to clap as well? She also made some odd gestures while she spoke. Why make the girls hug & kiss someone they don't know? That greeting iof each other was odd.
The other thing I noticed was less make up this time & hair was longer. She was very heavy handed on the eye make & hair on the today show. Way too primped for 8 am morning show. I thought her hairdo looked familiar then I realized it looked smiliar to the hairdo she wore at a book signing on her 2nd book tour. The one with purple dress with gray sweater & was crying in the closet? Her hair was very curled up also at that time. She doesn't pull off that style very well. It makes her face look so long.
T said... 175 I barely caught it, but Jon was on inside edition. Said he sees the twins at pick up and drop up because Kate isolates them and they seldom come to his house. So....just as I said earlier- an amalgamation of the truth.
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He should take it up with a judge then, not talk about it on television. He is legally entitled to see his children according to the custody schedule. Go to court if that's not happening, don't complain about it on Inside Edition.
PatK said... 169 You know what I "didn't" hear on The View Today? I didn't hear any of the hosts mention that every audience member would be receiving a copy of The Crookbook. LOL LOL
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lol is right! Or People magazine. Oh, that's right, according to Milo, there are no copies left!
You are so right about Kate looking so delighted when Barbara Walters asked Mady about the sextuplets. She knew the negative comments were coming, and couldn't wait! Then, to actually provide a SET-UP line for her is beyond despicable! She gave Mady permission to show an intolerance for her 6 younger siblings, how sick is that?
I don't think at thirteen Mady and Cara can judge the effect the divorce and all the mayhem surrounding it has had on them.
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That's probably true. How they feel now is they're okay with it, and that's their right to feel that way. They may feel differently at different times in their lives. Especially when they are embarking on their own adult relationships, falling in love, and thinking about marriage. Some of these old ghosts might come up. Even if they were able to roll with it as a child today at 13, that doesn't mean at a later time they might not be so easy with it.
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Wow! This could really open the door for Robert to publish!
Tomorrow, please Admin. There will be so many more interesting comments on The View- I just watched the clip a few minutes ago and some people won't see it till later.
Mickey said..."In fact it is my belief that the reason Jon no longer pays any child support is because he had to prove to the court that he has to provide all clothing for his children during his custody times."
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Nobody knows how much was calculated for child support for eight kids, but I really doubt that buying clothing for them for one night per week and two weekends a month would come close to the amount of child support he should have paid. How much clothing could the kids need for that brief period of time? It's not like they needed an extensive wardrobe for each season.
I'm not sure what all the hoopla is over the different stories coming out of the various Gosselin mouths.
In the previous thread I posted about Stockholm Syndrome.
The girls, not unlike alot of kids of divorce, have learned to say what needs to be said when they are with either parent.
We know the parents don't speak so there is obviously no comparing notes.
I would bet my last dollar on the premise that when they are with tfw, it's all about the filming and the crew as family.
With Jon, they parrot his verbage. We don't want to film.
They have got it figured out.
OPPS!
The Bachelor (on ABC) tweeted this: Juan Pablo @BachelorTV
@Kateplusmy8 Why do keep putting your children on TV?? Today on @theviewtv your girls look like deers in headlights!
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Ah, JP! Be still my heart! ;-) I knew I liked him!
There's a clip of Kate's view appearance on the abc website. Can anyone confirm if it's complete?
I'm geoblocked, as usual. The show should eventually appear on the CTV website. If anyone in Canada can see the view interview on CTV or somewhere else, please post the link here so all us Canucks can catch up!
(Leslie)
You know when Mady answered that reality tv was not bad for them but it made their lives better on the Today show. Well, remember of the last episode of Kate Plus 8 Mady said that same thing basically. But she went on to say that if filming never happened they would have never been able to go anywhere whatsoever. That is Kate telling her that then and Kate is still at it.
Here is Mady saying it: youtube.com/watch?v=6NTJi48psAA
It was scripted, but Mady didn't follow it to the letter. When they asked cara what she did to help, she started to talk, then kate interupted and cued her to say what she did to help "after dinner", which cara answered succinctly and then looked at her mother for approval. Later on Mady admitted that it's cara who takes care of the younger kids. And I doubt it's true that they all "hang out" in Kate's room every night, but even if it's true, why aren't they hanging out together in the family room, or one of the other rooms they watch tv in. Wouldn't it be more convient for such a busy mother with a never ending "to do" list,be able to get more done (i.e. fold some laundry tidy up' etc.) in a more central location?
I'm not sure which bothers me more, the lies or the glaring inconsistencies. She contradicts herself within the same sentence all the time. "I sheltered them from the divorce, so there's no limits on what we talk about". Gah? What?
If Mady saw the divorce coming then it may have been a relief to her when it was finally done. Yes, her parents still fight and that is it's own stress, but I have to believe that when Jon & Kate were together, the tension in that house could probably have been cut with a knife and the kids probably were always walking on eggshells.
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I'm pretty sure those kids are still walking on eggshells. there may not be any of the same tensions at the time of the split, but there is most definitely tension. I don't imagine the weekend trade offs go smoothly. I don't imagine being dropped off and picked up at the gate is not full of stress. tfw and Jon may not be fighting in the presence of the kids, but you can bet they are aware of "fighting" They may txt their issues to one another, but she is relaying HER version of things to the kids. Also, with a mother like tfw, who can rage at the drop of a hat, things are just as stressful, if not more because she is the only adult present. She's accountable to nobody.
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My Couples Therapy recap is done. I really had fun. Do you want it now or should I leave this new thread up and maybe post tomorrow?
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My 2 cents would be to leave this thread re the View up for today and start a new one re CT recap tomorrow.
That way as people see the episode and want to vent about it all the comments are pretty much in one thread.
Blog about last week's Today Show:
"In fact, Kate is completely disregarding how her kids feel by parading them around on magazine covers and morning shows. I know that Kate says her kids miss being on TV, but this cringe-worthy interview shows that isn’t true. I think these poor kids should be left alone so they can have some semblance of a normal life, especially Mady and Care, who should get to be awkward, moody teenagers without the whole world watching them."
http://www.canadianliving.com/moms/blog/?p=4840&preview=true
If it's such a problem, then given that he's able to now get television work, Kate could petition the family court to re-evaluate the support based on his increased income.
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And that's the bottom line isn't it? If this is such a big freaking problem for the sheeple why don't they instruct Kate to go take care of it? It's up to her. It's really her problem. I assume she is capable of handling her own child support issues.
I am live streaming TMZ LIVE and so far nothing has been said re the View episode.
BUT now that I think about it this is not exactly a surprise - The View airs at 10 am here in CA and TMZ LIVE starts at 10:30 am.
Carole said... 187
Did y'all catch TFW at the at the tail end of the segment after the silence when Barb asked if they saw Jon? She raised her hands in a gesture to Mady as if to say WTH, why didn't you SAY what we'd practiced?!
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Kate was also shaking her head no and told M to ANSWER
And that's the bottom line isn't it? If this is such a big freaking problem for the sheeple why don't they instruct Kate to go take care of it? It's up to her. It's really her problem. I assume she is capable of handling her own child support issues.
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Oh, geez...the Goody person has been preaching this to Kate ever since she found out that Jon isn't paying child support. I think Goody's "advice" falls on deaf ears.
Lauren @ljohnson2006 23m
@Kateplusmy8 I am sorry that people can't see past the hurtful rumors and let u, cara and mady do some tv shows & bond. They believe rumors
What rumors? It was all documented on the Today show video! Is that what you call what happened on the show? Bonding? Oh.My.Gosh. Sheeple have just hit a new level of stupidity.
I would love to read the recap today! I've been checking this site all morning! Love it.
(Kim)
And I think she was truthful in saying the divorce was harder for Kate because Kate was squeezing every ounce of drama she could from the situation and Mady saw that.
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I agree and I also am cutting Mady some slack. But she's really only repeating what she's been manipulated to FEEL. Really, the lengths a narcissist will go to further their agenda is disgusting. tfw did squeeze every inch of drama from the divorce (which if you look closely, was all orchestrated by her) but then it's on to the next saga of drama, and if there is none, well-she will create it. Just think back to the skydive episode. That was not the first time those kids have seen that kind of display. Then add impossible standards to live up to, physical abuse, random punishments, deprivation on minute, then burden them with your weaknesses, your guilt, your tears...you're right. The divorce was probably a walk in the park.
More people with a larger voice than non-fans are finally speaking out. From Andy Cohen to Wendy Williams to Dabney Porte, someone who's done graduate studies in clinical psychology, works in social media, has a talk radio show, is a life coach:
"Uh oh....She did it again!
Ohhhh Kate.... when will you learn that you can NEVER control your children or anyone.
Lesson ~ If you attempt to control your children as they grow, the time will come when they will eventual think clearly on their own and leave you in the dust. Teach your children to think, speak and act appropriately via positive parenting, not a dictatorship!
The exploitation of these children is unacceptable. Not sure why the producers of such shows give her a platform to continue. I show this video (TMZ from last week) only in attempt to teach a lesson from clear adversity."
https://www.facebook.com/dabney.porte
http://www.canadianliving.com/moms/blog/?p=4840&preview=true
This article gets it right. An excerpt:
In fact, Kate is completely disregarding how her kids feel by parading them around on magazine covers and morning shows. I know that Kate says her kids miss being on TV, but this cringe-worthy interview shows that isn’t true. I think these poor kids should be left alone so they can have some semblance of a normal life, especially Mady and Care, who should get to be awkward, moody teenagers without the whole world watching them.
sarah @gypsi001 27m
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 @theviewtv @ABC uggghh. I missed it.. Will it be on again today ya think??
Um, Gypsi, maybe you could check your local listings to see if it's going to be repeated, or if it's available online?
Head slapping time.
If this was just hours later than Today, it was long enough to flatten Kate's hair and happy up the twins.No show is going to spring forth from this fiasco.
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hmmm...a rampage of stomping/sweating/spitting/swearing??
not good for the hair tfw, you might want to address that
@magjd7
@feathernative2 @SchmeckyGirl2 @theviewtv the only good thing about this interview is we could see that kg didn't kill them after the last 1
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I didn't say that *I* or anyone else is an authority on teens, anonymous. Don't put words in my mouth. I simply said that it's ridiculous for a mother to proclaim that the teen years are just fine when her kids are barely even 13 and a half. She should check in at 15 or 16 and let us know how it's going. Or better yet, 18 when they have their rights.
Pretty funny....one of the co-hosts was talking about what a good mom TFW is/was.
In the background they're showing a video of a harried JON taking care of all the kids by himself.
Also interesting is that most of the videos shown both times were old videos. Pre TLC???
There was one more current video, perhaps Steve shot that. But most of them were very early videos.
Hmmmmm......TLC wouldn't allow their videos to be shown??
Are these the same kids that are up every morning getting ready for school to be at the bus stop by 6:30 a.m.? They weren't awake by the time of the Today Interview?
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Did they stay in NYC the night before the interview? If not, they would have had a very early wake-up call on Thursday for the three-hour drive to the city. Very early.
Well, surprise, surprise! Look who throws his two cents into the ring!
AlWalentis @AlWalentis 1m
Radar: Twins hate Jon. http://fb.me/6ARlJ2Tao
the Goody person has been preaching this to Kate ever since she found out that Jon isn't paying child support. I think Goody's "advice" falls on deaf ears.
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Yes, and I guess she got her answer. Kate's not going to do any such thing, so time for them to let it go.
It was funny Jenny going on and on about how in the world Kate cooked for eight people. What, she's never had a party with eight people or more?
Step one. Buy more food. Step two, put said food in a bigger pot. It's not rocket science.
It was funny Jenny going on and on about how in the world Kate cooked for eight people. What, she's never had a party with eight people or more?
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Ah, it was just SOMETHING to say. How do you segway into her pukebook plug? EVERY time she's to talk about her book, all the interviewers say the same thing. Jenny just read the cue cards she was randomly given that morning. Besides, isn't her son on a special diet? I'm imagining her cooking is just a wee bit more involved than dumping cans/
Wonder if Mady's ' dramatic silence moment' line was scripted to negate the earlier Today awkward muteness?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 21
I didn't say that *I* or anyone else is an authority on teens, anonymous. Don't put words in my mouth. I simply said that it's ridiculous for a mother to proclaim that the teen years are just fine when her kids are barely even 13 and a half. She should check in at 15 or 16 and let us know how it's going. Or better yet, 18 when they have their rights.
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I agree with admin. My kids were great. Good students, good behavior until some issues with one when they were late 16yo to 17 yr old. (And ended up being very responsible successful now because of going through it.)
Please post the CT recap closer to the next airing admin. It will be a good refresher prior to the next episode.
Formerly Duped said... 29
Wonder if Mady's ' dramatic silence moment' line was scripted to negate the earlier Today awkward muteness?
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That's exactly what I thought.
Formerly Duped said... 29
Wonder if Mady's ' dramatic silence moment' line was scripted to negate the earlier Today awkward muteness?
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Absolutely!
Al Walentis is a disgruntled man with an ax to grind. I pay him no attention whatsoever.
Yes Formerly Duped. That is exactly what that was. Blatent damage control. I'm betting we'll see that part of the interview front and centre on all the ent.news shows tonight. Just wonder which way they will sway their coverage
Auntie Ann- hahahah about the please don't feed the narcissist sign,
but c'mon she's got a ingest something- and we all know it won't be food or reality, (pun definitely intended)!
Ps. Love your snark!
What's with Kate and "hanging out" with the twins in her room at night? WTF? She's supposed to be their parent not their pal. And really how many 13-year-olds "hang out" with their mother? They're usually busy doing their own thing with their friends and more times than not moms aren't let in on ALL of their business either.
Such an asshat.
Formerly Duped said... 29
Wonder if Mady's ' dramatic silence moment' line was scripted to negate the earlier Today awkward muteness?
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Yes, I wondered that too.
I'd like to hear what the limo driver heard on the way over to the View studio.
Wonder if Mady's ' dramatic silence moment' line was scripted to negate the earlier Today awkward muteness?
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That reminded me of when Ashley to Kate "I'm sick of your dramatics"-And I bet Kate told Maddy to say yupe.
Well Al W has checked in to say that the twins hate their dad. Robert, we know that you read here so what's your take on that? Also, Mickey, aren't you friends with Al and Polly and they speak only the gospel truth? What's Polly's take on this?
As for the ROL article, with a source close to Kate,(try Kate or one of her lackey friends: Jamie or Deanna) The time this article was posted was: 3 am jan 20th, well before the View, interview, even appeared on TV. Strange isn't it? How would they know what was on the View if the View had not even aired yet? Like that the girls don't see their father, if that is what Mady ment. Who is leaking info for money to the media Kate? Not Jon!
Kates on quiet mood again. Probably tryin to figure out more damage control.
And Growing Up Gosselin, I agree with everyone here who thinks that was a concept for another, reality show featuring the kids only, or the twins. Really, what can they offer? We know what: the perks, but what else: how teens grow, how they fight with the younger kids, how poor Kate copes with teenagers, cause we all know Kate will get her mug in there. They have nothing to offer. There is a reality show coming on about rich LA teens, another useless show. Why would I or anyone want to watch rich people or rich kids, who have no concept about anything. In this economy, very few people want to hear about or watch or listen to rich people. With people losing jobs, hours cut, losing houses, no pay increase, be lucky if they can save enough money for 1 small vacation trip, the airfare is expensive, most people would not want to watch these people. The ones who do are nuts.
I'm sorry to say, IMO Mady sounds just like Kate.
There's a clip of Kate's view appearance on the abc website. Can anyone confirm if it's complete?
It's been edited. This was reported on the previous page #195 by Formerly Duped:
"Barbara's question about Jon is not there now. It was awful to hear Mady diss her siblings the way she did. They also downplayed the 52 point chore chart."
Once again the computer challenged ole lady is stumped! When I clicked on the link for abc to see today's View, something happened that hasn't before.
First, I was required to post my user name and password for my ''provider'', which is UverseAT&T. Why? Am I going to be charged for watching it? In any case, it took me to Friday's show instead of Monday's show, and I don't know how to change it.
Can anyone explain this all to me in the words you would use for a six year old? Thanks in advance!!
With people losing jobs, hours cut, losing houses, no pay increase, be lucky if they can save enough money for 1 small vacation trip, the airfare is expensive, most people would not want to watch these people. The ones who do are nuts.
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This really grinds my nuts about the Greedy Gosselins- they've been given so much. Their cup runneth over. But, there's Kate, saying it isn't enough.
Can you imagine being married to this bottomless pit?
As for the ROL article, with a source close to Kate,(try Kate or one of her lackey friends: Jamie or Deanna) The time this article was posted was: 3 am jan 20th, well before the View, interview, even appeared on TV. Strange isn't it? How would they know what was on the View if the View had not even aired yet?
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It was taped last week. Any of the sheeple or Kate's "friends" would have known after taping on Thursday what went down on The View, long before this morning.
How about "Growing up Greedy". Or "Greedy Gosselins Grow Up".
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 42
I'm sorry to say, IMO Mady sounds just like Kate.
January 20, 2014 at 12:05 PM
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Right down the the "honestly??" Valley Girl uptalk.
Kate's is raising entitled kids. I can not believe she tolerates them showing such utter disregard for their own siblings.
Could it be that it's because Kate herself is the epitome of alienation? Right down to her own siblings and parents.
I think the girls have learned that family and close friends are not sacred, and that relationships can dissolve in a heartbeat. Just out of sight, out of mind. Moving on like it's nothing.
Kate got what she wanted, only not exactly what she wanted. She's on the cover of People and have been on two morning shows. Only it didn't turn out exactly how she planned. She was exposed for the fraud of a mother she actually is.
Al Walentis is a disgruntled man with an ax to grind. I pay him no attention whatsoever.
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Does anyone?
It is very obvious that the twins have been coached and must toe the party line. Mady's slip about her "dramatic silence" and Kate's prompting the girls is ridiculous. The girls cannot speak for themselves. Funny how they giggled to each other when asked some questions. Nervousness?
Typical that there's a Kate "source" to Radar blasting Jon. The source alls a Jon the things they Kate cannot say publicly. She always has others do her dirty work.
The girls did a little better but I see no future until they mature and get from under Kate's manipulation. And my God, those waving talons of hers! I've seen anyone like yo show off their manicure like that woman.
What was said about the younger Gosselins on the View? I didn't see the show.
Remona, do not click on the "verify to watch" button. Just play the video that's on the left.
Ooops...forgot to give Remona the link:
http://abc.go.com/shows/the-view
Why doesn't she just call the show she's peddling Greedy Gosselin? Maybe you can sue her, poster Greedy.
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 13m
@BachelorTV @Kateplusmy8 @theviewtv I find your comments hypocritical. You've used your child on the Bachelor/Bachelorette. 2 Seasons of it.
LOL!! What a dingbat! Juan Pablo, this season's Bachelor, didn't put his child on television for the sole purpose of getting a reality show for himself and his daughter, while having the child simultaneously trash her mother!
Gosh, how dumb these sheeple be...
I can not believe she tolerates them showing such utter disregard for their own siblings.
Could it be that it's because Kate herself is the epitome of alienation?
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One trick, or aspect, of narcissistic mothers, is that they're quite often nice. This can be so confusing - part of the head-wreckingness of this whole NPD. The niceness always has strings attached though.
They master various forms of abuse, including forcing their children into the Golden Child or Scapegoat roles, and pure and simple bullying.
They're emotional vampires, feeding off yours and others' tragedies, and always dismiss or otherwise ruin your successes and celebrations. I found therefore that dealing with my narcissistic mother involved only the most banal of conversation - I could share neither my highs nor my lows.
They also have the twin cruelties of parentification and infantalisation, where they get you to parent them and keep you dependant on them respectfully. A narcissistic mother could do either or both of these.
Another one of their tricks is triangulation, where they make themselves the pivotal point of the family dynamic and everything has to go through them.
Add to this, many narcissistic mothers' extreme vanity, and their sometimes bizarre attitude towards sexuality, and you have quite a combination.
My goodness, Radar is leveling allegations against Jon as if they are gospel truth. They allege Jon "sold" his twin to relieve child support payments and that he hasn't seen them in 9 months.
If this isn't true, I hope Jon sues them. I'm not all for being litigious, but these reports paint him as a wretched father.
I'm not sure saying "my kids know the truth" cuts it here.
I vote wait until wed to post CT recap,
The Gosselin Twins Bring Their Publicity Tour Of Awkwardness To The View
http://www.crushable.com/2014/01/20/entertainment/mady-cara-gosselin-twins-the-view-interview-awkward/
Winsomeone said... 52
What was said about the younger Gosselins on the View? I didn't see the show.
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Mady said the tups are annoying not only as a group but every.single.one.of.them.
I had an older brother I idolized. I'd have been crushed if he'd said that about me on national TV.
So, what's next, Kate? Been staring at that pink iPhone all afternoon waiting for that production call?
Did Cara say she really doesn't like One Direction? Then why that frantic...has to have tickets, on the phone for two days trying to get tickets grifting, making it sound like the both of them had to see the show?
Radar is saying that the girls' silence when asked if they see Jon is proof positive of their allegation that Jon bargained away child support so that Kate can film.
Something stinks here. The timing of all of this right before The View interview is quite suspicious.
I remember being a new teenager. I needed my mom's direction because I was finding my way, and I loved her with all my heart, she loved me with unwavering motherly love, and I enjoyed her company. She was my Girl
Scout leader, officiated at ALL my swimming meets and volunteered to cook and serve meals for our church youth group every Sunday. She helped me prepare after school snacks when my high school social club met at our house, which was pretty often. We baked together, singing Girl Scout songs while we mixed, and spent lots of time together in small ways.
Still, my main talking and sharing was with the friends at church, at Scouts, at school, in my social club and at swim practices. Then there was my best friend who became my freshman college roommate years later. It would have been so strange to have even my DEARLY loved mother as my chief ear for girl talk. If that is the role Kate wants to play for her teen daughters, I feel they are being deprived of too much.
This is what a talented 9-year old with "it' looks like!
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20777883,00.html
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 28m
@steelergirl1014 @Kateplusmy8 Cara is by nature soft spoken & shy..but rest assured, she was not made 2do this. Both girls were on board! :)
This sheeple is insufferable, sick and delusional, actually believing that she knows exactly what the children want to do or do not want to do. I'm just wondering what it's going to take for Kate to shut her up once and for all and tell her not to act as her mouthpiece.
AND........once again, I've embarrassed myself. All I had to do at PatK's link was to scroll on down and click on the photo/link to WOS/Twin's spot. When will I ever learn to keep my mouth shut until I've scrolled all the way down?
Here's my guess on what is going on...
If Jon has to be involved in legal decisions over filming, Kate got it in her head that if she could prove he was not involved in the twins lives, she could go to court and have his rights truncated. She could then orchestrate a television project without any input from him. She trotted the kids out and pulled some favors (i.e. Radar online with the twins hate dad story which was probably orchestrated a couple weeks ago) to try to build a case in court where her children are speaking on national tv about how they never see their dad and he plays a minor role in their lives.
This is my guess as to why the twins refused to speak. They are too young and far too intimidated by their mother to fight back verbally so they shut down. However, they understood enough to not lie about their father on television. My own personal guess is Cara is shy, but if she takes care of the younger ones, was probably terrified if she screwed up, her mother may take it out on the tups to get back at her.
However, things didn't go according to plan. The girls did not come off as strong, independent women who are fully capable of making mature decisions about their contact with their father. They looked like bullied and frightened children with an overbearing stage mother.
Mel # 47
How about "Growing up Greedy". Or "Greedy Gosselins Grow Up".
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Haha. Good one. We can all help her with a better title. Let's see, how about: Kate plus Her Entitled 8, Kate Plus 8 on a Golden Plate
birthday girl 22 ♥♥ @maceywanty328 16m
@Kateplusmy8 @MiloandJack @theviewtv kate is Amazing she wont go with any people whos she don't know
Say what?
I don't think at thirteen Mady and Cara can judge the effect the divorce and all the mayhem surrounding it has had on them. Time will tell. I think it is deplorable for Kate to push these girls in the media to basically defend what Kate says...that Jon is bad and can do nothing right. I don't know how Kate thinks a new show with the twins would be anything anyone would watch. Her last show was cancelled and It featured the tups. Any show with the twins would heavily feature Kate and America doesn't like her. What producer would want to be involved in something certain to flop? The only real interest Kate would generate would be in a D list show like Couples Therapy. Nothing of value to be sure but rather people would tune in to see how despicable she is.
So Kate encouraged Mady to express her not-so-kind feelings about the tups....on tv! Kate and the twins wouldn't be on any tv show if it weren't for the tups. She is well on the way to completely alienating the tups from their big sisters and from her. She is desperate and despicable!. All of those children are going to have serious trust and relationship issues.
ROL has an article about the twins appearance on the View. It's titled "Radar Told You First! Gosselin Twins Respond With Awkward Silence When Asked If They Speak To Their Father". It was posted at 12:05pm, right after the View had finished airing.
Both that article and the previous one were both written by the same author, Amber Ryland.
So don't tell me that ROL didn't know beforehand that the twins didn't say anything when asked that question by Barbara. They post the first article earlier today, and after the View airs they post the second one, basically saying "and here's the proof our first article is correct".
Just because the twins didn't answer the question above seeing their father, doesn't mean that they don't. Kate's telling Mady to answer it, is a bigger tell that they didn't want to lie and say what their mother wanted them to.
Mady said the tups are annoying not only as a group but every.single.one.of.them.
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I miss that part and it sad wow I hope the little kids never seen this part either.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 28m
@steelergirl1014 @Kateplusmy8 Cara is by nature soft spoken & shy..but rest assured, she was not made 2do this. Both girls were on board! :)
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And you know this how?
Sue said... 40
Well Al W has checked in to say that the twins hate their dad. Robert, we know that you read here so what's your take on that? Also, Mickey, aren't you friends with Al and Polly and they speak only the gospel truth? What's Polly's take on this?
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"Hate their dad"? Gee, when I saw Al's tweet posted here on this blog I did NOT see it as his personal two cents but just noting a link to an article posted on ROL and the subject matter.
As for asking Robert what are his thoughts, again, what did Al tweet other than just posting a link to an ROL article?
Since you asked, on Saturday I did in fact text Polly to see whether or not she wanted to bet with me that SNL would be doing a sketch re the Today interview. When she returned my call we agreed that it was an awkward interview, we felt sorry for the twins, and then we giggled how Kate was humiliated on national TV.
FYI last year I was informed that Jon had moved back to Wernersville -- hell, I even know the history of the property where he is living (depending on your POV the advantage or disadvantage of living in a small town LOL) -- and I have to admit that I was very surprised that Jon volunteered this info that he had moved when he was interviewed on Wendy's show. But because he did tell Wendy this news I knew that Jon was going to be very open during his interview.
Now when I heard the news that he moved I figured that Jon got the down payment thanks to the CT gig and I thought good for him. Jon is on a show without the kids so no one can accuse him of exploiting his kids whereas Kate needs them to get back on TV (I agree with others that all she has done in the past few days is to eliminate any possible hope of that ever happening).
I have not read the 2,000+ comments on 15 in the past few days but I wonder if anyone has thought that the timing of the People article/Today show/The View just so happens to be around the time that Jon and Liz show up on CT?
To be more specific, that Kate must be shaking in her hooker heels as to what Jon may have said in therapy about his marriage and his ex? After all it is not as if he went on a reality show re cooking and casually mentioned while boiling water that TFW was a bitch to live with, right? No this is a show where a therapist helps the clients deal with their past relationship issues in the hope that the next relationship will be better.
Obviously Jon and Liz survive CT and while I'm at it would like to say after seeing discussion about what Liz wears or does not wear or how she talks on the previous thread, IMO I really could care less. If Jon believes that this woman can make him and his kids happy and if Liz believes that Jon and his kids can make her and her children happy, then more power to Jon and Liz as they blend their two families if that is what they want to do, either now or in the future.
Then of course Kate has to be pissed off that not only was it a paid appearance but more than one episode, all of which helped Jon move closer to his kids so he has less travel time during his weekend visitation times. See I happen to believe that not all is OK in the McMansion and if the kids can get to their dad's house on their own by riding their bikes or whatever, then Jon being in Wernersville has to be a good thing.
See I really think that if Kate cannot get another reality show then she will be OK if the kids move in with Jon full time, and if she gets it in her head that it is because of the twins not saying a word that ended her career once and for all ... the twins will be the first to move in with their dad.
Kate is hanging her hopes on Mady to bring in a new reality show. TFW is setting up a scenario by having Mady show her dislike of her siblings, thus providing the necessary tension for potential viewers. Not only was Mady allowed to diss her younger siblings, but took some pleasure in showing her "gift of gab" at her sister's expense, all while Kate was practically foaming at the mouth. My heart aches for Cara, she does not want another reality show IMO, she's the outsider who has been told to tow the line, she looks totally trapped in this lie, it is just shameful.
This was just another example of a bunch of celebrity hacks throwing out inappropriate questions while ignoring what was right there in front of them; one precocious teen, a painfully shy one, and a famewhoring mother. I will give Whoopi some credit, she tried to take Kate out of the equation, but was lapping up Mady's mean-spirited comments at the same. Every one of these adults should be ashamed of themselves.
Another reason I think Mady so easily bashes her siblings (and ALMOST her dad) because it takes the onus off of her.
"The narcissistic mother teaches her non-scapegoat children to accept and support the scapegoating of a given child by affirming and rewarding those children’s perceptions that whenever anything is wrong, it is to be the Scapegoat’s fault. Children adapt quickly to these roles, and learn readily that if they do not want to be responsible for something, they need only turn to the Scapegoat, whose case will never be sufficiently or properly heard, and whose “guilt” is so readily welcomed. Once the other family members have mastered this approach, they are much freer to do otherwise objectionable things without suffering negative
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Is she seriously making/letting their brothers and sisters watch Mady tell the whole world that EVERYONE OF THEM ARE ANNOYING? How sad is that. SHAME ON YOU KATE! And as for you allowing/making your girls bash their father in people magazine. You have caused/allowed them to brake the only commandment that has a stipulation attached to the end of it. Exodus 20:12 KJV Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy DAYS SHALL BE LONG upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
That makes it quite an important commandment to keep for Him to attach that on the end of it. WOULDN'T YOU THINK? I hope/pray/believe that He will hold YOU responsible for that infraction of His law. I sure would not like to reap what you have to sow. I really feel so sad that YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. Galatians 6:7 BE NOT DECEIVED, God is NOT MOCKED for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 4h
Watching together...the little kids are SO excited to see their big sisters on @theviewtv !!! :) #noschooltoday #MLK pic.twitter.com/BbJVMTTwI4
I hope the little kids never seen this part either.
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They must have. Kate gleefully tweeted a pic of them all watching and it was in the middle of the interview. I thought it was terrible. At nine going on ten, the girl tups would have a few things in common with their 13 year old sisters and be crushed by this."My sisters hate ALL of us?" Why would the mother of these twins and tups allow this? Rhetorical question.
Al Walentis is relying on the always accurate (snark) ROL and tweeting about 2 overexposed 13 year olds.
Talk about petty.
And by the way Al, yours is the first and only book I've ever thrown in the trash.
If one looks close at twitter pic from Kate this morning it looks like someone under a blanket at right side of Kate's leather sofa maybe Cara probably hiding herself so she doesn't have to watch that darn interview. Maybe Cara and the 6 will see their Dad and say "help".
chefsummer said... 74
Mady said the tups are annoying not only as a group but every.single.one.of.them.
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I miss that part and it sad wow I hope the little kids never seen this part either.
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She tweeted a pic showing the tips waiting to watch it live
WOS, you can spin your lies all you want to, but at the end of the day, YOU are pimping out your kids to earn the clothes on your back.
what kind of mother wants her kids to parade their every day lives on the computer as entertainment.
It's SICK.
So after Mady disses her sibs in People, her gestational carrier (aka the Pimp) doesn't speak up when she does so on national tv?
Formerly Duped said... 80
I hope the little kids never seen this part either.
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They must have. Kate gleefully tweeted a pic of them all watching and it was in the middle of the interview
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AH I spoke to late wishful thinking on my part.
I agree with Layla and Jumping In that dissing the tups was to show tension and conflict as a draw for Growing Up Gosselin. I also think that Kate says she hangs out with the twins so she can be front and center in the new show. It's all about getting people interested in Growing Up Gosselin.
gawker.com has an article about the View appearance, and also has a clip. Their clip shows the end of the interview that was cut off on the View website. At the very end is where Barbara asks if they see there Dad.
Just look how Mady responds, and Kate's prompting. Mady obviously didn't want to answer the way Kate expected her to.
http://gawker.com/breaking-gosselin-twins-regain-ability-to-speak-1505155347
US Magazine also has an article and this is how they describe that segment:
"Although most of the discussion remained lively and animated, the two became tongue-tied once again when their father Jon, 36, was mentioned Monday. "Do you see your father, too?" asked Walters.
"Um," responded Mady as she gave her mother an uncomfortable smile as she shrugged her shoulders.
"Answer," prodded Kate. Both daughters gave their mother the same uncomfortable blank stares from the Today show last week during a sit-down with Savannah Guthrie. Kate just shrugged her shoulders and made a face in response."
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/kate-gosselin-twin-girls-speak-the-view-clam-up-about-dad-jon-recap-2014201
I just watched the segment, and I disagree with the poster who does not think the girls have "it". Mady seems to be a very pleasant combination of both parents. She has the same sense of comedy and quick thinking that served Jon well on the original show. Even if she was fed the dramatic silence line, she delivered it perfectly, and the audience and hosts loved it. Kate on her own, we, and most of the civilized world can all agree, is unwatchable. But I am afraid that the sassy teenager giving it to her uptight, controlling mother could be seen as a winning combination--just as J&K were. Cara is more of a blank slate, at least to me. A national spotlight would put her shyness front and center, but who knows how she would be in the more relaxed atmosphere on her home turf. The twins clearly have a great relationship, are co-conspirators, and, like Milo and Kate, communicate in so many different ways.
The studio audience is a much better venue, and the View ladies asked them questions that were easier to answer. Taking Kate out of the middle was a great move and paid-off in a big way because, since she was off-camera, the viewing public can't see her grimaces and coaching. All and all, I think there was, unfortunately, some damage control achieved--if for no other reason, than because they reflected well on TFW. And we know that because of she made sure we knew that they Jon has no influence via radaronline. Fair or not, she was there and Jon was not, so she will get the credit. People will be forgiving of Cara's shyness, and Mady definitely has charisma, and, IMO, "it". She proved that she could improve with a quick turnaround.
As to bashing the tups, what would be headline news would be "PA older sisters say that 6 younger siblings are NOT annoying!" The world will forgive them for saying this and the world wants child stars, regardless of potential harm to them.
So, for those reasons, IMO, if that was an audition for a new show, I think Mission Accomplished. The twins would hardly be the first media child stars shoved into the spotlight by an overbearing mother, so if we are going to criticize TFW, then it should apply to other children raised in the industry. I do take comfort in the fact that Kate says that they tell her what to do. The girls clearly have her number, and I don't think TFW can outwit two teenage girls. I think that there are many people that would enjoy watching her get her karma delivered to her on a golden platter. I hate to say that, but, I think the general viewing public will be generous in their opinion of the girls, which may be extended to TFW as well. I hate that idea, but I think it is true. The media will love reporting on this, and it will generate a lot of buzz because it follows so closely on the heels of the Today show. That is what network producers look for--not just good buzz, but any kind of buzz. And people who think that the viewing public doesn't like to see children abused by overbearing adults, I have 2 words: Dance. Moms.
TFW envisions a show where the network will spend thousands of dollars sending them on grand vacations and putting them up in 5 star hotels. She envisions them getting the red carpet treatment events as the twins give their spin on all things teenage. However, she'll never be able to keep up with the Kardashians, the Shahs or any of the housewives because she doesn't live in LA, NY, Beverly Hills or even NJ. She lives in rural PA. Judging by what I've seen on the two talk shows the twins don't have "it". They didn't sparkle or shine. Although attractive they aren't drop dead gorgeous. They're normal, every day, run of the mill teens. Just as mediocre as anyone else's teens. The only difference is that the more TFW puts them out there the more entitled they sound (sad but true). The more TFW puts them out there the more desperate she seems. TFW is teaching them to expect everything to be handed to them just because they want it. Well as my saint of a mother used to say...want in one hand and crap in the other and see which gets full first.
I agree with Layla and Jumping In that dissing the tups was to show tension and conflict as a draw for Growing Up Gosselin 87
You may be correct but that is beyond sick- it's evil.
PatK, there is a comment I made floating out there somewhere that hasn't shown up here, where I thanked you for telling me to to not click on ''verify'' and for providing the link. So...I'm posting this again to say thank you for helping the ole lady!
Carole said... 60
The Gosselin Twins Bring Their Publicity Tour Of Awkwardness To The View
http://www.crushable.com/2014/01/20/entertainment/mady-cara-gosselin-twins-the-view-interview-awkward/
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Bahahaha! From the article:
Mady goes, “Um…” and leaves it at that, despite her mom’s prodding. It’s only a matter of time before she takes over the household Captain Phillips style: “I’m the captain now!”
Thanks carol for posting. Here's another snarky version from Gawker that is pretty delicious too.
http://gawker.com/breaking-gosselin-twins-regain-ability-to-speak-1505155347
Kids of divorce do tend to align themselves with one parent at certain stages, and I'm glad Jon knows this, because he's a child of divorce.
All the same, it has to hurt him hearing and reading about what his daughter's are saying, and not saying, about him.
Wendy Williams (how YOU doin'?) is evidently going through this with her 13-year old son. He's all into his dad right now, and is pushing her away, and it kills her. She just broke down on her show this morning.
I wish I could show this to M+C so that they can see how much it hurts a parent that loves you, and I'm sure Jon loves them. I hope sometime soon they have the maturity and strength to not comply with Kate's demands that they publicly address any discord with either parent.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/01/wendy-williams-breaks-down-sobs-her-son-hates-her/
How about "Growing up Greedy".
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Mel you nailed it. She's training her kids to do what she does. Did we not know this day was coming? The woman is a pig. A greedy sow.
I am sure the sextuplets know full well how their older sisters feel about them. We've all see from Kate + 8 that the kids have no problem sharing how they feel with each other.
Rhymes with Witch said... 85
So after Mady disses her sibs in People, her gestational carrier (aka the Pimp) doesn't speak up when she does so on national tv?
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Who do you think put them up to it.
I almost forgot about that awkward pause when it was mentioned that Mady liked to sing...it looked like they were waiting for her to stand up and belt one out. I thought, "Oh, no, here we go..." lol
njay, your post! I just got choked up and in tears. God will not hold those children responsible for not obeying their mother. They are innocent. Jesus also said, If anyone causes a child to stumble it is better for them to place a millstone upon their chest and throw themselves out into the deepest part of the sea than deal with Me.
Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh.
TFW: Do you have an escape plan on this?
This reminds me, I saw on a Christian show of a lady late 20's and she went to her pastor and was wanting forgiveness for either her dad molesting her or her husband beating her, can't remember that part. She didn't initiate either one. The pastor jumped up from behind the desk and pointed his finger down at the floor and hollered at her to get down on her knees and BEG for forgiveness. She got down in the floor beginning to speak and all of a sudden she saw Jesus behind the pastor telling her, You are innocent! Get up my child, You don't have to ask for forgiveness! The pastor couldn't hear Jesus. Jesus is so Awesome!
TFW's day is coming soonest.
jumping in 77
I will give Whoopi some credit, she tried to take Kate out of the equation, but was lapping up Mady's mean-spirited comments at the same. Every one of these adults should be ashamed of themselves.
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Oh yes, whoopie was really enjoying Kates comeuppance at the hands of her own children. At one point, in response to Mady saying the divorce was only hard on Kate and not them she was actually cackling!
I think she was also making encouraging faces at Cara at one point, but it was hard to tell due to the camera angle. No doubt she was on #teammadyandcara though, did you see the faces she made at Babs when she brought up the younger kids and Jon?
Oh, my, I just got back from the grocery store, and there on the stands at each register were the magazines. I saw the latest issue of People, with Trista and Ryan on the cover, then noticed that each rack had a plastic divider that said, "Missed Last Week's Issue of People?" and a squiggly arrow that showed that they are behind the current issue. I checked it out, and yes, copies of TFW and the twins' issue of People were behind the current ones. Sooo, being the nosy busybody I am, I walked down the line behind the registers and scoped out the situation (I wasn't digging through the magazines to count, just looking from the side as I walked along. I'm not that obvious!). In each rack, there were 1-3 copies of the Trista/Ryan issue (one was sold out of them), but behind them in each rack were 5-6 copies of the TFW and twins issue. Didn't look like TFW's issue sold very well, at least not at that store.
Oh, but the Kate's House of Horrors (In Touch) was sold out at all but 2 of the 11 registers.
How very interesting.....
Sounds like the "dog and pony shows" are not working. Aren't people too smart for this? My dh believes we are all keeping the Gosselins relevant by giving them any notice at all. He said today he read that they are just as popular now as when they had the reality show. Not sure where he saw that article.
If I am doing anything to keep TFW in the limelight, I want to know what to do differently. Using these kids is TFW's claim to fame. The kids are learning from helping their mother chase the golden platter and it is just plain ugly! What kind of people expect to be famous television stars for doing NOTHING? As stated before, there have been no lessons, gymnastics, acting classes, etc. to prepare any of them (including TFW) for a viable show. I understand they just want to be filmed like they were in former years, but there just isn't an attraction anymore. If anyone is watching TFW, I believe it is to see her making a "monkey" of herself. Sad, sad, sad.
Btw- I have been reading here for years have, but only recently begun posting because I finally figured out how to post on my iPad. For others out there with the same issue, try reading the posts in safari, but download the chrome app and post in that instead. No need to make a google account. It does allow you to make a name. I hope it helps others out there who have the same problem. It works on regular computer too. Just have Firefox or IE open in one window and post in google chrome in another.
I hope this explains my sudden wordiness and helps you to forgive me for the multiple postings. I have YEARS of thoughts pent up!
Ex-Nurse, I think I watched a different version of "The View" than you did.
Mickey, kudos to your post. I agree with what you said. It's important that Jon be as close to the children as possible now. Whenever the realization hits Kate that she has no future in front of a camera on a television show I do believe deep down she will be finished with her children. This woman exudes no warmth or motherly instincts what-so-ever...
I just got home and saw that Timex has struck again. I hope and pray that Jon takes her crazy ass to court and proves that she is intentionally alienating him and leading people to false impressions. I don't think she's human...maybe alien.
The "fun" times with my kids came at different ages. My son began his rebellion around fourteen and it's still going on to some degree. I had some very minor issues with my daughter around eighteen. So yeah, TFW ain't seen nothing yet. I also agree about the hanging out with your kids. First of all, I don't really believe it and second, almost anyone with a mental age above twelve knows that you do not attempt to be buddies with your kids. I told mine that I don't care if they liked me, I was going to do my job and be a parent. Of course there's more going on with the Gosselin saga, the main point being the parents cannot stand each other and there's an immature, crazy wench of a mother who wants to ruin her children's lives by taking their father away. You never take a loving father away from his children. NEVER. The ramifications last throughout their lives. Somebody please, please stop her and for God's sake stop giving her an audience for her lies.
Now I gotta go hit the treadmill before my head implodes.
I keep reading everyone talking about Cara being shy, but I remember things differently. As far back as Jon&Kate+8, she was refusing to cooperate. I remember many comments about her being ''sullen'' during that time when she was silent on an episode. Is my memory not correct?
I'm convinced that her ''shyness''/not speaking is her ONLY defense against WOS relentless campaign for being back on television.
I know that Jon will be approached to comment on the View show, and I really hope that people don't start bashing him for responding. Once again, I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt!
Regarding Kate allowing Mady to bad-mouth the tups on the View and in People--I think she encourages that kind of behavior. The narcissist in my life (my MIL) did the same kind of thing with my Dh and his sister (my SIL). She tried to stir up trouble between them, trying to alienate them from one another. She wanted to be everyone's favorite, so driving a wedge between them was her way of doing it. My DH became the "bad kid" and my SIL was her perfect little princess. That attitude continues to this day. DH and his sister are very close, but the interesting thing is that DH has grown to be very successful and driven, while my SIL is very emotionally fragile and needs meds for stress and anxiety. It's sad to see what that vile woman did to her. Still, Dh and his sister are clue, they support each other, and as adults they talk through their troubles with my MIL. Her plan backfired, and made life very difficult for her favorite child.
Oh, my, I just got back from the grocery store, and there on the stands at each register were the magazines
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How long were the lines? Everyone here is stocking up. I just got back from the store and they had to call in more employees to help out. This storm came out of nowhere. When I checked last night, it was just some "snow flurries," and now we're in the eight inch band.
Localyocul -- you're in for it too, I see!
Admin, I love your recaps. Can't wait.
she was there and Jon was not, so she will get the credit.
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Sure she was their minus the times she was off traveling with Steve around the glob. While the kids sat at home with a nanny or Jon.
Also her not having a full or part time job having 20+hr of help. She has all the time in the word to trash their dad and exploit the kids.
Here's the thing....as a mother of 2 "late" teens, these years are so tough, their bodies are changing, their lives are changing, they are going to be facing so many choices, good and bad. These girls (and eventually the other 6 Gosselin children) are going to need strong and loving parents to help them navigate through these next 5-8 years. Kate has neither desire nor the ability to do so. Their only hope is Jon and I believe, hope, he knows this.
I am sure the sextuplets know full well how their older sisters feel about them. We've all see from Kate + 8 that the kids have no problem sharing how they feel with each other.
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Remember when they had a birthday party for the six, and even back then the twins felt slighted, and they asked their mother why their siblings had multiple birthday parties and they got only one. I can't remember exactly what Kate mumbled, but you could tell that answer didn't sit well with the twins.
I haven't had a chance to read all the comments yet and I'm in the middle of making dinner, but I did just read an article from US Weekly. It seemed like the girls did better, but clamed up when it came to their dad. They can't lie about that at all. Kate is wanting them to, but they just can't. Hopefully after dinner I can find the video online to see what really happened and what was said. But, I don't think my opinion will change.
~LAP
Paula said... 106
Ex-Nurse, I think I watched a different version of "The View" than you did.
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Listen, in my teen years I was an absolute angel. Now, now, stop shaking your heads in disbelief. It's true I tell you- an absolute ANGEL! And yet despite my squeaky clean "record", if you were to put the things that I said when I was in a good mood about my parents and siblings in the national media spotlight, I would be horrified- and I don't even want to contemplate the outcome of what I said if it occurred during a bad mood. That's why there are so many warnings about the perils of social media. People say and do things they regret all the time. Does kate actually think that this does not apply to regular media as well?
Here's a show idea Kate- it will be a motherhood contest starring you, Dina Lohan, Octomom, and Kris Jenner. The first one to look away from the $ signs and their mirrors wins.
I love the Gosselin twins but what entertainment value can they offer. They are average in looks and seemingly in talent. One is precocious but we've seen has a temper like Kate's. The other is painfully shy and wants to be left alone. I'm certain a huge part of the plot would center on the animosity between Jon and Kate because that's the only interest. Even the tups are of little interest to warrant following their lives. The main focus would be Kate, no doubt and Kate and My 8 was a flop. Again, why would a network or producer want to promote a no win situation? I think there is no show but Kate is putting it out there that there is hoping it will happen.
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The lines at the store (I went to Giant) weren't too bad, but one thing I noticed was that all the registers were open. I have never seen then all open and manned at the same time. We are expecting snow tomorrow, too, but we don't usually get hit as badly as you do up in PA (we're just north of DC).
The milk and bread were pretty scarce, though. People are definitely getting ready for some snow.
Who do you think put them up to it.99
I know, sigh.
PA Dutch, my first read was that folks were stocking up on People.
Sorry about the storm. I think it will be hitting us tomorrow aft or eve.
Ok, so even if this is a teaser for "Growing up Gosselin," who is going to watch it? For some unknown reason, Kate thinks her 6 rabid fans translate into 8 million eyeballs. K+8 was a bonafide failure. Why would anyone take a gamble on doing this again?
This woman's relentless obsession with getting back on tv is horrifying. She has no morals, no empathy and no level that is too low to sink to in order to get her withered mug back on tv. She couldn't care less about the trauma and damage these kids already have suffered being raised in a home that was a tv set. She just doesn't care. Getting that tv paycheck and perks is more important than her own flesh and blood and their well being.
I wonder if anyone has thought that the timing of the People article/Today show/The View just so happens to be around the time that Jon and Liz show up on CT?
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Of course. Not that she has ever given up her dream of any publicity and TV offers.
Silimom: I agree with you that all that vicious fighting both on the show and the recent clips reveal a rivalry and lack of cooperation and respect for siblings. But to hear it on TV while your mother encourages you to watch and be proud of your sisters!
Ex: Nurse: I disagree with you that Mady has an IT factor.To me she seems sassy and bratty and willing to put down the tups and her twin, and still loves the spotlight on her own terms. Cara was quiet, but I recall the outbursts of sheer meanness on the show to siblings and visiting children.And the first time was over a pair of sandals different from Mady's for the Dutch Wonderland, I think.Even from TFW's reports she throws fits over clothes. ( jeans, yoga pants) I think she''s a storm cloud always ready to burst.
Both those girls are IMO more affected by the divorce than Mady cheerfully stated.Neither is a good choice to work on TV or a singing career at this young age.
Kate may also be trying to make the twins her allies as she knows that she won't be able to control the tups by herself. They are already showing signs of sassiness towards her. I remember my niece who is the oldest of 5 children, telling me, at a very young age, that when she and her sibs united, they were essentially indomitable. Kate doesn't stand a chance with the tups.
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@kateplusmy8 you should also remind Mady that if it wasn't for her younger siblings, she wouldn't be sitting on The View today.
Damn skippy. If those HOM's didn't come along, Mady would be living in a mediocre house, living a mediocre life.
Welcome T.
As i' sure you've seen, sometimes this blog just explodes ( like the past few days).
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@kateplusmy8 you should also remind Mady that if it wasn't for her younger siblings, she wouldn't be sitting on The View today.
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Maybe that was the issue at hand. The girls didn't want to be on Today or the View, and it was the fault of their siblings that they were there!
Sure she was their minus the times she was off traveling with Steve around the glob. 112
Yes, they traveled around the glob.
Perfectly stated.
Remember when they had a birthday party for the six, and even back then the twins felt slighted, and they asked their mother why their siblings had multiple birthday parties and they got only one. I can't remember exactly what Kate mumbled, but you could tell that answer didn't sit well with the twins.
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Kate lied to the twins and told them the tups had multiple birthday parties because they were premature. The REAL reason was that the parties were for filming.
What do the collective "you" think of BW's incoherent mumble about the girls maybe being on another reality show? Was she speaking from inside knowledge or Kate's dreams? Could not tell if she wasn't supposed to talk about it because show is a secret, or just didn't know what the hello, I'm Barbara Walters, she was rambling about?
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You're right, TFW ain't seen nothin' yet. I have 3 sons on their 20s (already through the teen years, whew), two who are teens (17 and 14), and a few more who are younger. The teen years can be a tough balancing act. You want to have a close relationship, but you have to remain the guiding force. Each child is different, too, so the teen years are different for each one of them. The moodiness, the testing of boundaries, all come in differing degrees with different kids. I don't "hang out" with my kids like I'm one of their teenage buddies, and neither does my husband. We play cards, have family activities, but back off from the buddy-buddy thing. It's always a pleasant surprise when they say, "Mom, want to go to the mall with me?" (which is actually code for, "Mom, do you and your credit card want to go to the mall with me?"), or ask us if we want go to to the movies with them.
Kate needs to let the kids have their own friends. She can't replace peers in their lives. She seems to be trying to fill their need for same-aged friends to keep them from having lives of their own, apart from the family, and that is damaging for them. This is the time in their lives when they become independent and discover who they are. They need to be given the space to do that. Having a mother as their best friend is not allowing them to form healthy relationships elsewhere.
What kind of life are the Gs living in that house? Shutting everyone out, bonding only with each other, living for some impossible dream of a reality show. Those kids are not being prepared for real life.
LOL Kelly! Timex. I like it.
Even from TFW's reports she throws fits over clothes. ( jeans, yoga pants) 123
Two thoughts: the Pimp is a liar and
has admitted to resorting to bribery.
sparkle (122)
Kate thinks that if she can get herself back on TV then whatever damage has been done to the kids will all have been worth it. 20 years from now, she will still be trying to claw her way back onto our screens.
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Paula said... 106
Ex-Nurse, I think I watched a different version of "The View" than you did.
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Me three.
Kate can't even sell a cruise what makes her think a TV would be different?
She could even sell her own name Twist of Kate and she had TLC backing her then.
I remember my niece who is the oldest of 5 children, telling me, at a very young age, that when she and her sibs united, they were essentially indomitable. Kate doesn't stand a chance with the tups. 124
Hence the Pimp's divide and conquer strategy
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 62
Mady said the tups are annoying not only as a group but every.single.one.of.them.
I had an older brother I idolized. I'd have been crushed if he'd said that about me on national TV.
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My two girls are four years apart, just like the twins and sextuplets. My younger one has always adored the older one--I even have a picture of the younger one as a toddler sleeping standing up with her head on her sister's bed just to be close to her.
Fortunately, my older daughter reciprocates that love and respect. I don't think the younger one (now a teenager) would ever get over it if the older one did this to her, even now.
Kate is an evil, evil witch. She just destroys those kids constantly--always in new, creative ways.
Ex: Nurse: I disagree with you that Mady has an IT factor.To me she seems sassy and bratty and willing to put down the tups and her twin, and still loves the spotlight on her own terms.
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And when Mady said "honestly," it sent a chill up my spine!
Vanessa said...
I'm pretty sure those kids are still walking on eggshells. there may not be any of the same tensions at the time of the split, but there is most definitely tension.
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Yes, when I see the twins looking to their mother to gauge how to respond to the interviewers' questions I know they are walking on eggshells. My mother never clapped her hands, snapped her fingers or flapped her hands at me but I sure was adept at reading her face and her body language. I knew when it was safe to act "normally" and when to lie low. Those twins were watching her closely. I recognize that behavior.
Kate is an evil, evil witch. She just destroys those kids constantly--always in new, creative ways.
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How excited did Kate look when she told Mady "You've waited your whole life to answer this". Yeah, Mady, tell the world how much you think the tups are a PITA.
Tucker's Mom said... 116
Paula said... 106
Ex-Nurse, I think I watched a different version of "The View" than you did.
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I seem to recall Kate getting greatly offended a couple of years ago when someone tweeted her that she looks at her children as "commodities". If the story that she waived her right to child support in exchange for filming rights of the children is true, isn't that the very definition of a "commodity". She feels she will be better off financially with the right to film her children for monetary purposes instead of collecting child support.
I can't imagine many single mothers who are "piecing and patching" an income together would make that deal.
Also, if they are hoping for a new show based on the twins and the hassles of living with six younger siblings, good luck with that. Toddlers are cute and entertaining. As any parent with more than one child knows, there is nothing cute or entertaining about siblings bickering. It's the worst part of parenting IMO.
Wow, Layla, how many kids do you have? You sure have Kate beat with her measly eight, if I read you correctly!
Paula said... 106
Ex-Nurse, I think I watched a different version of "The View" than you did.
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I was trying to see it the way a casual viewer sees it. Most people don't follow this story closely and isn't watching for Kate's mannerisms. They aren't backing up to see how she is holding her hands and the expression on her face at any particular moment. TFW greatly benefited because she was off-camera. I guess I didn't see the point in adding to what so many people already said. But, in case you think that my comments mean that I don't think that she is a very poor example of a mother, a human, an American, a Pennsylvanian, a Christian and a role model for her daughters, let me clear that up right now---I do. She will never stop exploiting them until the day she takes her last breath. I just can't apply words like horrific or worst--I reserve those for mass murderers and murderous dictators. As many if us have said, karma will come when she has teenagers, and she is no match for them. Teenage girls met out a unique type of punishment, and she ain't seen nothing yet. They have been learning at the feet of a master manipulator, and they are a team. Her words of "No never means no", and "you either stand with me or against me", just for starters, will be her undoing.
Sherry Baby said... 127
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@kateplusmy8 you should also remind Mady that if it wasn't for her younger siblings, she wouldn't be sitting on The View today.
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Maybe that was the issue at hand. The girls didn't want to be on Today or the View, and it was the fault of their siblings that they were there!
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I never thought of it like this,
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Tucker's Mom said... 116
Paula said... 106
Ex-Nurse, I think I watched a different version of "The View" than you did.
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I didn't know what to post 're:ex-nurse's post, but I conquer, must have been a different show. "Mady seems to be a pleasant combination of BOTH parents"?"They reflected well
on tfw"? Not sure what to say
I was just flipping channels and caught the end of Family Feud. It was Cake Boss versus Honey Boo Boo Family. How long until TFW tries to get her mug on there?!
Maybe they see him, maybe they don't. Either way, their relationship with their Dad isn't anyone's business except their's. Who knows what the truth is, but I suspect that is some variation or amalgamation of both stories. I also suspect that it has changed from what it was, and most certainly will change yet again. Relationships are fluid in nature and not meant to be static.
Maybe sometimes they prefer to stay home and have a break from taking care of the little kids, or maybe they don't want to share a more cramped place. Maybe there are other times that they can't wait to escape Kate, or have a change of scenery. Maybe it's common benign issues, or maybe there are malevolent intentions and hidden agenda's involved. I can't be alone in thinking that one of the puzzle pieces involves the $? I thought I read somewhere (possibly Preesi or Robert) that she can take $ out of the kids accounts to pay for things they need such as food, clothing' shelter, etc.).
Who knows? Nor should we. I truly think that is some combination of all of the above, but I do find it highly suspicious that she has now pushed 3 times for the girls to speak about. Perhaps there's a gag order from the judge that Kate is trying to get around by using the kids as her mouthpiece? I can see Kate now- "Who me Mr. Judge Man? Why I would never! (points at twins) they said it"!
chefsummer said... 136
Kate can't even sell a cruise what makes her think a TV would be different?
She could even sell her own name Twist of Kate and she had TLC backing her then.
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Or a stinking cookbook. She sure didn't dwell on that subject too long today either.
Ex Nurse said... 145
I see what you are saying as a first time viewer I liked Kate saw her as sweet and good.
However as I watched more I saw the real KG then came K+8/CWS she was even more horrid.
What Kate did to the twins on the today show opened a lot of people eyes-(just read her twitter feed) she isn't fooling anyone beside her sheep.
Kate Gosselin is pitting the kids against each other exactly the way her sisters/brother did to her. Most likely saying/thinking I'll show you guys these kids are mine alone and no one will change that; I laid on bed rest for 23 weeks.....................................etc and the ones that don't follow Kate's rules are gone and Kate won't even cry a tear.
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Kate has neither desire nor the ability to do so. Their only hope is Jon and I believe, hope, he knows this.
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Unless Jon can regain some kind of vote regarding television appearances, it will be virtually impossible. The woman is absolutely shameless, and will stop at nothing to claw her way back, including the blatant exploitation of her own children. Jon actually works, and is in a long-term relationship. He can't match her financial resources or the seemingly unlimited time to scheme her next move. Conducting this full-scale war in the public eye only ups the ante for TFW and gives her bigger and better venues to exploit her children and alienate their father. She just sinks lower and lower. I have waited for years to see if she has a bottom, but, just when I think she can't go any lower, she does! She is to the human race what a cockroach is to the insect world.
T,-- glad your here!
At least Kate was dressed more appropriately for this appearance on The View, unlike last year's teeny dress.
http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/02/26/kate-gosselin-the-view-tan-beauty-makeup/
Yeah, let her shop her frickin' growing up Gosselin show. No producer wants to go near that festering sore of a woman with a ten-foot pole.
She'd better go to Plan Q. or is it R or maybe it's at S already.
What do the collective "you" think of BW's incoherent mumble about the girls maybe being on another reality show? 130
This is the same BW that said that Kate would be a STAH.
Enough said.
Oh gosh no Mady doesn't have it at all.
She is the type of kid who I'm sure will be very successful in school, will probably be a school art star excelling in drama, the star of the play senior year. And that's as far as she will go much like most other normal kids.
For one thing, the huge long pauses, rather curt responses at times, and lack of personality are a huge no no.
It is a rare, rare child who has it. Having it means that you often do things and like things that are very un-childlike and not typical.
SwingsandRoundabouts said... 140
''.....Those twins were watching her closely. I recognize that behavior.''
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That comment made me gasp! I just realized that DECADES later I still am very aware of my space, and make certain that I am an arms length away from everyone. Years and years past being physically abused, I'm still watching and waiting for someone to hit me.
Thank all that is holy that Jon's children have him as their safe place to relax and not have to please him with every look and comment or fear of being ''happied up''!
Isn't speaking unkindly about your siblings "bullying?" I thought TFW had spoken to her children about that, in all the June Cleaver teachable moments she pretends to have. And yet she stood by and let her six youngest children be maligned on national television, by their own sibling, without comment. How did that make those children feel -- to have their own mother not come to their defense? And, to make it worse, be forced to watch said criticism while your picture is being taken by the aforementioned mother? It makes my head spin.
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Were we watching the same show Ex-Nurse? Lets see, Andy Cohen's bread and butter is the type of show you described above and judging by his earlier tweets today I think he's going to pass. Two sassy teens talking back to their parent(s)? Turn on any sitcom and you'll see just that. I still don't see that they've got anything to offer the viewing public. They don't want to work at the craft and become actresses, they want the easy money and fame of a reality show.
If she were able to con some network into giving them another show does TFMJG really think that she'd be able to command the fat paycheck and perks she got before? Ain't gonna happen. Additionally I don't think anyone wants to see her going on wonderful trips. I think they'd rather see her miserable in a broken down RV. As for watching kids talking back to mom? I'll just look to my own when they're in a pissy mood.
Formerly Duped, I'm with you. I found Mady to be a bit obnoxious. I did not like her attempts at being a ham. Mady and her mother were both loving the attention and the clapping from the audience when Mady thought she delivered a good one. It really turned me off. I preferred Cara. She wasn't basking in the adulation like her sister and mother were. I don't care that Mady is only 13. I just didn't like her delivery. Kids like that have always rubbed me the wrong way.
Michelle said... 143
If they are hoping for a new show based on the twins and the hassles of living with six younger siblings, good luck with that. Toddlers are cute and entertaining. As any parent with more than one child knows, there is nothing cute or entertaining about siblings bickering. It's the worst part of parenting IMO.
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Yes! No one wants to watch a bunch of kids fight & bicker. What part does she not get? Just because 6 of the kids were born at the same time, it doesn't make their fighting any more special or captivating.
Mady is a typical teenager ..the world revolves around..and that's just fine.
Now, when she becomes an adult, wife and mother and still thinks the world revolves around her...then that IS a problem.
I channel surfed onto Inside Edition. (ABC)
They played a clip from The View and their commentary was NOT positive.
Michelle said... 155
At least Kate was dressed more appropriately for this appearance on The View, unlike last year's teeny dress.
http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/02/26/kate-gosselin-the-view-tan-beauty-makeup/
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They did a poll do you love or loath Kate and 90% is for loathing and the comments aren't nice either.
It is a rare, rare child who has it. Having it means that you often do things and like things that are very un-childlike and not typical.
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Like Chef Jack. Now, there's "it". Talent, courage and has great presence on camera.
Ex Nurse said... 91
I just watched the segment, and I disagree with the poster who does not think the girls have "it".
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The twins clearly have a great relationship, are co-conspirators, and, like Milo and Kate, communicate in so many different ways.
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Obviously, you are a fan. Do you personally know milo?
Like Chef Jack. Now, there's "it". Talent, courage and has great presence on camera.
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Years ago, a friend of mine who is a stylist had a business meeting with Haley Joel Osment and his sister and parents. This is when he must have been 7 years old or so. I don't think it ever amounted to anything, but she said she's never seen anything like those two kids. They talked like adults. They were attentive. They had big personalities. They were funny, engaging, and out of this world smart. They were polite and did whatever they were told. They had the kind of firm and confident handshake that it would take any adult years to really master. Most seven year olds wouldn't even think to shake your hand.
That is the kind of child who has "it". No they're not all like this but most of them truly are a sort of freak of nature.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 160
Isn't speaking unkindly about your siblings "bullying?" I thought TFW had spoken to her children about that, in all the June Cleaver teachable moments she pretends to have. And yet she stood by and let her six youngest children be maligned on national television, by their own sibling, without comment.
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Excellent point FF!
You know what I "didn't" hear on The View Today? I didn't hear any of the hosts mention that every audience member would be receiving a copy of The Crookbook. LOL LOL
Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said... 162
Formerly Duped, I'm with you. I found Mady to be a bit obnoxious. I did not like her attempts at being a ham. Mady and her mother were both loving the attention and the clapping from the audience when Mady thought she delivered a good one. It really turned me off.
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I was turned off my her mouth, too. Mady has Kate's "sense of humor", which is to say, getting a laugh (or mostly not) by putting others down.
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''.....Those twins were watching her closely. I recognize that behavior.''
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That comment made me gasp! I just realized that DECADES later I still am very aware of my space, and make certain that I am an arms length away from everyone. Years and years past being physically abused, I'm still watching and waiting for someone to hit me.
Thank all that is holy that Jon's children have him as their safe place to relax and not have to please him with every look and comment or fear of being ''happied up''!
FlimsyFlamsy said... 160
Isn't speaking unkindly about your siblings "bullying?" I thought TFW had spoken to her children about that, in all the June Cleaver teachable moments she pretends to have. And yet she stood by and let her six youngest children be maligned on national television, by their own sibling, without comment. How did that make those children feel -- to have their own mother not come to their defense? And, to make it worse, be forced to watch said criticism while your picture is being taken by the aforementioned mother? It makes my head spin.
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Umm, no Flimsy Flamsy... bullying is something that is only done to Kate Gosselin. Just like only Jon has "injured" the kids. When Savannah asked Kate if putting them on tv to discuss the injury injured them even further, Kate replied "there is no injury." And there you have it! Jon's alleged injury- bad. Kate's alleged injury- "there is no injury."
When Kate is called a poo poo head, she is being bullied. When she allows her twins to trash their siblings on tv and even single them out by name- it's fabulous!! Any questions?
They allege Jon "sold" his twin to relieve child support payments and that he hasn't seen them in 9 months
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I guess the numerous tweets seeing them out and about with Jon, from accounts that show no prior history of being involved in the Gosselins, were lying. It's Radar.
Going to say this as kindly as l can. It's time to stop gasping and 'oh no she didnt' ! comments and step up to the plate and help Robert Hoffman get his book out. He has explained on his blog he's incurred massive debt from defending himself against Kate & her lawyers. He cannot afford to publish his book. Time to really have his back & show him some gratitude for his selfless work. If you want to know how, let me know. Enough of this crap!
I am One of Eight said... 149
I was just flipping channels and caught the end of Family Feud. It was Cake Boss versus Honey Boo Boo Family. How long until TFW tries to get her mug on there?!
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Well, let's see. M&C are probably old enough to know some of the common sense answers; but the tups are probably not. She would need two more team participants. Deanna and Steve? Deanna and Milo? Steve and Milo? LOL
Not sure she has many others in a pool to choose from.
I barely caught it, but Jon was on inside edition. Said he sees the twins at pick up and drop up because Kate isolates them and they seldom come to his house. So....just as I said earlier- an amalgamation of the truth.
He really should parlay this into working with Parent alienation advocates. Lemons into lemonade.....
Wasn't there a very recent Tweet about Jon and all the kids at a bowling alley, with a pic of Jon, too?
Flimsy, I should have added that in that diseased brain of Kate's, if it's not directed at her, then it ain't bullying. Remember when she constantly dissed Mady on the show? (not to mention what she'd say about Jon when he was sitting right next to him).
But she hollers bully the loudest.
The divorce didn't affect them??? That's another call for counseling. Divorce affects everyone in the family.
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I actually believe them on this and the reason is because Jon and Kate were raising them separately for so long. Kate was going out of town so much and they were often just left with Jon. Their lives ran on separate tracks and were very busy.
I think there was a lot of people in and out and a lot of instability and I really do believe it was their normal. Kids are resilient and tend to just get on with things, and they actually say that it's better to divorce when kids are young and can adapt easier.
What is concerning however is that they are very aware that Kate has had a hard time dealing with it and still to this day remarked about that. That suggests they were not protected from very adult emotions and had to shoulder her emotional burdens at a far too young age. That is going to affect them when they are older. And of course the parental alienation is the other big concern. They will have a lot of resentment built up but it won't be from the divorce itself.
It seemed like the girls did better, but clamed up when it came to their dad. They can't lie about that at all. Kate is wanting them to, but they just can't.
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Yup. Of course they can't say they don't see him,( because they do), but they also don't spend a lot of time together either. No wonder they clammed up. Jon was right. A moral dilemma about who to please.
Admin (167): That is the kind of child who has "it". No they're not all like this but most of them truly are a sort of freak of nature.
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I don't know if the twins have the "it: factor or not, but Mady seems like the spunky one who would say her mind regardless of what Kate says. She's always seemed like the one child who would question her, who would speak up to her, and yes, who would even defy her. She has a kind of spontaneity that the others don't seem to have.
That said, though, would a show fly if it featured only Kate and the twins? Doubtful. If Kate couldn't make it with Kate plus her eight, viewers aren't going to be jumping with joy and anticipation for episodes featuring just the three of them. Oh, sure, the first few episodes might draw viewers who tune in just to see Kate behaving badly. That gets tiring very fast, and a Growing Up Gosselin show will go the way of Kate's last show featuring all of the kids. What network wants to go to that expense, and put up with a demanding Kate when they know darn well what she's like to work with? Only a network that has a death wish.
By those girls refusing to comment about their father shows that they have more sense than any of the adults. The questioner for asking and their mother for allowing it.
she was actually cackling!
I think she was also making encouraging faces at Cara at one point, but it was hard to tell due to the camera angle. No doubt she was on #teammadyandcara though, did you see the faces she made at Babs when she brought up the younger kids and Jon?
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Haha Whoopie cackling.
As much as I think Whoopie would rejoice in Kate falling flat on her face, I really believe that woman has a good heart and doesn't want the kids to fail no matter how much she can't stand their mother. So she did her best to ask questions she knows any 13 year old could answer with ease, and tried to make them more comfortable by trying to get them to stop looking at Kate for direction, and really did one hell of a job of guiding them along so they don't look foolish.
I credit her really for keeping that interview on track and making it go as well as could be expected. Not that I'm blaming Savannah, who I think did the girls a big favor in the long run by making Kate look like the parental alienating puppet that she really is.
"What kind of life are the Gs living in that house? Shutting everyone out, bonding only with each other, living for some impossible dream of a reality show. Those kids are not being prepared for real life"
That is EXACTLY what Jon meant when he gave the interview to a tabloid, saying his kids are isolated and don't know how to interact with children other than their siblings.
Me thinks TFW will again be one of WW hot topics tomorrow. Will have to DVR the show and find out.
As far as a show called Growing Up Gosselin. They've done that twice. J&K+8 and Kate+8. Same shows. Different names. Jon bailed on the first and TFW failed on the second. This new show will not get off the ground. I agree with the posters who said everyone likes a train wreck but people do not like train wrecks when they involve children. The Today Show interview proves that.
I barely caught it, but Jon was on inside edition. 176
I happened to catch it. It was very brief but Jon stated that Kate keeps the twins isolated from him.
He was calm and matter of fact.
Ex-Nurse, I think I watched a different version of "The View" than you did.
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GosselinBookStTeam said... 174
Going to say this as kindly as l can. It's time to stop gasping and 'oh no she didnt' ! comments and step up to the plate and help Robert Hoffman get his book out. Enough of this crap!
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Excuse me??
I agree with Layla and Jumping In that dissing the tups was to show tension and conflict as a draw for Growing Up Gosselin
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I didn't think of this myself but that's brilliant. Of course that could be going on here. The ladies here are so intuitive.
Somewhere Kate read that a good show has tension and drama and so the only drama she could cook up is that the Twins hate the Tups. Sort of like an idea of hitting the teen years with kid sister in your hair, hilarious antics ensue.
And if that is what is going on here, that is pretty darn sick.
Not sure she has many others in a pool to choose from.
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Milo and Lauren? Lauren and Gypsi?
Michelle, she may be covered up, but look how she's sitting! Ugh. That is a classic position of someone who is uncomfortable. For goodness sake, woman, cross your ankles or something!
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-moms/news/kate-gosselin-twin-girls-speak-the-view-clam-up-about-dad-jon-recap-2014201
A few things I noticed between the today show & the view; I thought Kate was much more antimated on the View. She clapped as they walked up to the stage & looked back to the girls while clapping. I'm not sure why, maybe to motivate the girls to clap as well? She also made some odd gestures while she spoke. Why make the girls hug & kiss someone they don't know? That greeting iof each other was odd.
The other thing I noticed was less make up this time & hair was longer. She was very heavy handed on the eye make & hair on the today show. Way too primped for 8 am morning show. I thought her hairdo looked familiar then I realized it looked smiliar to the hairdo she wore at a book signing on her 2nd book tour. The one with purple dress with gray sweater & was crying in the closet? Her hair was very curled up also at that time. She doesn't pull off that style very well. It makes her face look so long.
Suzy
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I barely caught it, but Jon was on inside edition. Said he sees the twins at pick up and drop up because Kate isolates them and they seldom come to his house. So....just as I said earlier- an amalgamation of the truth.
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He should take it up with a judge then, not talk about it on television. He is legally entitled to see his children according to the custody schedule. Go to court if that's not happening, don't complain about it on Inside Edition.
PatK said... 169
You know what I "didn't" hear on The View Today? I didn't hear any of the hosts mention that every audience member would be receiving a copy of The Crookbook. LOL LOL
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lol is right! Or People magazine. Oh, that's right, according to Milo, there are no copies left!
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You are so right about Kate looking so delighted when Barbara Walters asked Mady about the sextuplets. She knew the negative comments were coming, and couldn't wait! Then, to actually provide a SET-UP line for her is beyond despicable! She gave Mady permission to show an intolerance for her 6 younger siblings, how sick is that?
I don't think at thirteen Mady and Cara can judge the effect the divorce and all the mayhem surrounding it has had on them.
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That's probably true. How they feel now is they're okay with it, and that's their right to feel that way. They may feel differently at different times in their lives. Especially when they are embarking on their own adult relationships, falling in love, and thinking about marriage. Some of these old ghosts might come up. Even if they were able to roll with it as a child today at 13, that doesn't mean at a later time they might not be so easy with it.
AuntieAnn said... 177
Flimsy, I should have added that in that diseased brain of Kate's...
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I read this as "that deceased brain of hers," which does work....
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