Tuesday, January 21, 2014

Recap: Couples Therapy episode 3, The Ghost of TFW Past (and present, and future)

Last time on Couples Therapy, Taylor and Farrah ended their short-lived (and certainly entertaining) infatuation with each other. Aw. Apparently the straw that broke the camel's collagen back was when Farrah insulted Taylor by explaining that she, Farrah, was an entrepreneur, and Taylor was not. Oh, snap! The fact that Farrah can even pronounce entrepreneur correctly is pretty impressive. There is something so hysterical about Duck Lips, arguably one of the most malevolent reality T.V. personalities ever (D.V. my ass, Taylor--there I said it now I can get on with this), being this ticked off at Teen Duck Lips, her baby-eyebrow-plucking lady-in-waiting. Whoever had the divine inspiration to cast these two fools together deserves an award. These sort of brilliant ideas usually only come to producers Sunday mornings at places like the Santa Monica Stairs. Some other stuff happened with the other less-interesting cast that's not nearly as fun as this, but I think I heard something about a prostitute. Coming up, Dr. Jenn (that's the therapist running this whole shebang who sort of looks like a very pretty skeleton) is calling Duck Lips out on her positively mental behavior, and Duck Lips actually takes it to heart and decides from here on out she is going to be a better person and mother. Heh, just kidding, she's pissed as hell.

Day Three in the Couples Therapy pad, and the fallout continues from something that happened last week when we last left them. I think it was over Duck Lips being mad her room was too hot. I'm serious. Some 20-something production assistant sort of rolls her eyes, as if she's been dealing with this diva and her demands for weeks now. I guess Duck Lips hasn't considered maybe that gal or someone else in production cranked up the heat in her room on purpose.

It is soon revealed Duck Lips is also upset because the vast Los Angeles mansion (it's so huge it echoes) is not big enough. Oh, and they gave her pea green towels. Pea green towels, people. Duck Lips says she wants her homemade lattes and filet minon and bigger mansion. I like Dr. Jenn already even though I didn't want to. She is basically like eh, this is really about Duck Lips's other issues going on and don't worry Duck Lips won't get her way. Oh, good.

One of the girls from the nice (and normal) lesbian couple tries to talk Duck Lips back down from outer space as if Duck Lips were a normal person too. That was nice lesbian couple's first mistake. Dr. Jenn soon reveals that this all went down at 3 a.m. Oh, Jehoshaphat.

Dr. Jenn says in 20 years doing therapy in Beverly Hills of all places she's never seen anyone throw a tantrum like Duck Lips just did. Nor has anyone ever complained about the accommodations in the three seasons they've been doing Couples Therapy. Wow, haha. That's embarrassing. And also, that's it, I officially love Dr. Jenn. Tell us more!

I like how Dr. Jenn often prefaces explanations she's about to give with "and here's why." It makes it sound like she really believes what she's saying is important so listen up. She explains that Duck Lips is stronger than the tool she was last night.

Duck Lips misses the whole point and prattles on some more about the food and the heat. Wow, her boyfriend/fiancé/whatever, really does not like being hot. Hm, maybe that's why he lives in Colorado. That's smart. Duck Lips starts blubbering about how she already lost one loved one to reality T.V. (as we recall, her ex husband committed suicide in 2011 after saying that reality T.V. had pushed him to the limit) and she's not going to lose another! Goodness, I've heard some awful things about reality T.V. but I've never heard of death by a heater set too high.

Dr. Jenn tries to explain to Duck Lips that her career did not kill her husband. I hate to tell her another doctor, Dr. Phil, disagrees. ("Exposing the difficulties of your marriage" led to his death, says the good doc.) I mean, it's Dr. Phil. I think he knows what he's talking about. Dueling media doctors!


This third doctor doesn't know what to make of the lot of them:



Actually that third doctor wasn't on the show at all but I stumbled upon his picture looking for the other one and thought it was funny.

Taylor reluctantly admits that chaos and not being in control are what really is upsetting her. Dr. Jenn says we'll have to address what's going on inside to be able to help her. Dr. Jenn, you are assuming she even has an inside and that is some assumption when it comes to this vortex!

Kelsey, Wu-Tang Clan's ex-prostitute girlfriend, is desperately trying to convince Wu-Tang that not all strippers are the same, but he's not having any of it.  Now if it's so hot, why is Wu-Tang Clan wearing a thick beanie on his head and all those layers, huh?



The best part of all this is Teen Duck Lips sitting over there all by her lonesome, making various shocked and appalled faces. Like she's such an authority on relationships.

If you missed how Teen Duck Lips ended up on this show single, you missed quite a treat. There really isn't time to explain the whole fiasco now, but let's just say it involved a fake boyfriend and how contrived this show is, of course, and it was all exposed in all its glory. Heh, good job, Teen Duck Lips.

Dr. Jenn gets the whole room teary-eyed when she tells Kelsey that no man can define who she is. Kelsey walks out, and when Dr. Jenn shoots him daggers Wu-Tang says nope, he won't follow after her. He's completely sunk into the massive couch and is practically reclined by now so I'm not sure he means he just doesn't want to go after her or he physically can't get up. Or maybe he's just comfy and not too hot. Anyway, the Book of Girlfriend Rules say Go after her, you idiot. I'm pretty sure it's in chapter one if not the preface. There have been no proven exceptions to this rule, ever, in the history of girlfriends. Just a little friendly tip from a lady, Wu-Tang.

Commercials (Why do the Mob Wives look more like somebody straight out of 50 Shades of Grey? Not your mother's mob wives.), and when we get back Wu-Tang is still stuck on the couch stubbornly refusing to go after Kelsey, even with Dr. Jenn giving him an even worse look than before the commercials. Wu-Tang, how many looks do you need before you get it? Another therapist, I guess Dr. Jenn's assistant, chats with Kelsey. What I take away from this conversation is it seems like Kelsey certainly loves Wu-Tang, but isn't getting a lot of respect and trust in return. Well, she has some weird hair going on there but she seems pretty nice. Seems like she could do better.

Teen Duck Lips launches into something or other about how she always changes her schedule to accommodate the guy, which Dr. Jenn calls giving up her power. Teen Duck Lips has powers? God help us. There's nothing wrong with changing your schedule for someone you love as long as he does it once in awhile too. Maybe I'm too simple about relationships, but if you don't like giving up your schedule to accommodate someone....then stop doing that. Problem solved. Next?

The nice lesbian couple is being awfully quiet during all this. I didn't even realize they were here until now. The look on their faces is classic. Basically like, "shiiiiit, and we thought we had issues?"

Duck Lips starts tearfully psychoanalyzing Teen Duck Lips. If that's not the blind leading the blind I don't know what is. Duck Lips says Teen Duck Lips trying to be a writer, restauranteur, make sex tapes, and some other endeavors, means she wants the world to love her.  Well, there's some projection if I ever saw it. Or maybe, Duck Lips, Teen Duck Lips just has a lot of interests: food, sex, the great American novel. Duck Lips says she does not want Teen Duck Lips to end up like her. It is hard to pick a side here, they both have marshmallows for brains. There really is no discernible side.

Dr. Jenn says Teen Duck Lips lives in a bubble and does not connect to people. Cut to the chase, isn't that basically narcissism? Or in Teen Duck Lips's case, a true sociopath. Naturally Farrah is in tearless tears by now. Why does her voice sound like someone cut off her vocal chords whenever she fake cries? It's creepy and rather villainous. I'm not uncaring I swear, I care about everything, she sobs.

Well, I'm glad we had this little talk, Dr. Jenn says, and she cuts them loose to enjoy the rest of their day. Ha.

Commercials, and we're back. Nice pool. God help production though if the water's too warm.

Poor Kelsey, she isn't asking much from Wu-Tang other than love and a solid relationship. She sounds like a great girlfriend who does not make unreasonable demands on her man like say, Farrah would. How can he sit there next to both the Duck Lips and not be appreciative of Kelsey? I don't like him. The lesbians and Teen Duck lips are having lunch with Kelsey outside and the gist of the girl talk is that Kelsey is a good person and Wu-Tang is full of it. Yep, pretty much.

Day Five dawns. Aw, the nice lesbians are rousing in bed, giving each other soft little kisses. I love sleepy little good morning kisses. This couple seems so healthy and normal compared to everyone else in the house. I was raised in a very conservative somewhat intolerant part of the country, but things have changed for me and even for much of the people I grew up with. It's hard to watch a nice couple like this, or say the absolutely heartbreaking documentary Bridegroom, and be able to say with a straight face these couples shouldn't have all the rights and protections that the other much less-likable f-ed up heterosexual couples in the house have. Do put in the effort to watch Bridegroom. It is an emotional ride but worth it.

So where are Jon and Liz you say? We know their flight was delayed due to a domestic terrorist attack at LAX. But it was only delayed by a day, maybe two. Jon alluded before to this gig being a sudden thing. I have a theory that after the fiasco with Farrah's not-a-boyfriend, Jon was who they scrounged up to replace them. Then they decided because Teen Duck Lips and her tearless tears are just so darn entertaining to watch even without not-a-boyfriend, they would keep her on. The show calls the delay "logistical issues" but I like my theory better.

Predictably, Wu-Tang is the type of guy who when he hugs his girl, has to go straight for the ass cheeks and squeeze them. Sigh, I've never met a woman who liked a hug like that. Hello, up here, my face is up here! I mean, at least caress her cheek or kiss her first before making a beeline for the rear.

Teen Duck Lips over breakfast says oh my God of course not I would never do porn, bite your tongues! The lesbians are like, well, that's cool, we're just saying we heard on good authority there is a pornographic film out there.

Ohhhh, you mean the sex tape? Well, yeah, she did that.

The lesbians tell the cameras in a nutshell Teen Duck Lips is a Kim Kardashian wanna-be. Ha, the lesbians so have her number, but are just brilliant at playing all nicey-nice with her. I love them. I know Duck Lips works herself all into a tizzy over the stupid things that come out of Farrah's mouth, but I think the lesbians are having a heck of a lot more fun keeping their cool and just playing along with her.

The housemates find out a new couple is coming in. For what feels like five minutes, which is like five hours in T.V. years, most of them lament how anxious they are about someone new coming into the group. Well, they're coming, so all this is a moot point. But that's reality T.V. for you. Drama.

Jon gives a quick summary of who he is in case you've been blessed not to know about this family, and I swear to God my ears heard him say that the family's show documented their "lies," though I think he more than likely said "lives." Same difference. He admits the household was militant and Kate emasculated him. If by emasculate he means she strung up his balls to the Christmas tree and everyone gathered around and sang Jingle bells, Batman smells, Robin laid an egg, then yes, I guess he was "emasculated."

Jon says he was lonely until he met Liz. I like how they describe what they saw in each other when they first met. Jon was drawn to Liz's honesty. She certainly is bleeping honest, I'll give her that. Bleepedly bleep. I can see how that would be refreshing after being married to The Former Wife, as The Former Wife could very well be a clinical compulsive liar and is now, the very morning this episode aired, even making her own kids tell her lies. Liz liked how happy and genuine Jon is. They show a never before seen recent photo of all the kids with Liz and her three really cute blondie children. They look like they're in a park and they have bags like maybe they were on a Easter egg or peanut hunt, or perhaps collecting candy at a parade. Half the kids are sticking their tongues out playfully and everyone else is happy and smiling. The photo is strangely sad in that it shows that all eight do have such lovely normal moments with their dad and the woman in his life, but Kate can't just let it go and let them be when they are with him. This is exactly what we mean by the lies. TFW and her sheeple try to paint a picture of how terribly detrimental it is at Jon's, so bad why the twins are practically estranged from him. The photos show otherwise: happy and relaxed children who seem to get along just fine with Liz and her children and certainly their beloved father. I should be happy to see kids happy. Yet, I feel sad because until the parental alienation stops from both Kate and everyone left who supports her, they will not be free to love their father as they have a right to be able to.

Jon says he wants to move past the way he typically handles problems: passive aggressiveness. Well, that's a start, wanting to change.

Farrah is kind of giddy to meet Jon. She immediately recognizes him. People that want to be celebrities so badly themselves usually are pretty goofy around other celebs.  She and Kelsey scurry off to confer. Kelsey slowly remembers who he is. "Was he, like, the good person in the relationship?" Farrah asks. Well, Teen Duck Lips is not as dumb as we thought after all. Yes, Teen Duck Lips, he was the good one in the relationship. Which means Kate would be the bad one. We'll try to keep it simple for you.

Wu-Tang is basically like hell, I know that dude, and shh&&&t, he was going through some big sh&&t there. Yes, that is also true. Even Duck Lips admits Jon has really been through it, which surprises me in light of her issues with her husband really hating reality T.V. and she in turn hating him. But then she snootily remarks that she doesn't like their choice of rather frumpy hoodies and torn jeans to wear. I doubt she listened or cared if anyone told her about the terrorist attack and that they just spent the past two days in airports. It should be noted that it is was also late at night when they arrived; everyone is gathered by the outdoor fire, winding down for the night. I'm sorry for Duck Lips they did not drag out the cummerbund and panty hose for her. Is at least the temperature more to her liking now?


I know some folks weren't crazy about their outfits, and I don't claim myself to feel any desire to run out to the store to get my own knockoffs, but the fact is "frumpy" really is the style a lot of celebs are dressing in now. You can see the same exact style in countless recent pap photos of A-listers wearing ripped jeans and hoodies or other baggy tops, including January Jones and Rihanna, whose outfits in their respective pap photos look almost identical to Liz's, and even Gwyneth Paltrow, the Goopster herself, who apparently loves to wear her ripped jeans when she gets the hankering for strawberries. To prove my point, you know something has gone Hollywood A-lister when suddenly the price makes no sense whatsoever. Elliott Boyfriend Jean in Super Love Destroyed, the ones all the celebs are wearing, will set you back $229! For ripped jeans. Insane.

Anyway, Liz and Jon meet the rest of the cast, and everyone is more or less friendly. Except Duck Lips, who is obviously livid that she the world-famous and revered Duck Lips has to actually share a little screen time with such a D-lister. Heh. Jon remarks in an amiable tone he remembers meeting Duck Lips at some event awhile back. Mel said it best about this one, "Taylor was snooty in response. Like, omg, if we were at the same event it was a fluke....I am sooo much better than you scum types." Ha, exactly. The funniest thing is the event was "Night of a Million Reality Stars." Which from the name alone sounds like one of those L.A. autograph trade shows for has-beens and other D-lister mediocre types like Ted McGinley. Nothing wrong with that, but it's funny that Duck Lips, big as her head is, lowered herself to show up at something like that.

The lesbians watched the show and felt for Jon, which is exactly the reaction I would expect from good women like these two. They like Aaden (who doesn't?), and Jon and Liz just light up. Jon calls him "Chicken Little," and beams with pride. Aw, cute.

Jon says he and Kate are not civil because, well, Kate is suing him. Liz snickers, along with the rest of America. Liz also says she, Liz, needs therapy, which is good to hear. Truly, half of therapy is accepting you need therapy. Liz says she has to be the tough guy in the relationship. She also says it's hard to talk about herself. Jon was right, she is very different from Kate. Liz sort of reminds me of a young Jodi Foster, kinda rough around the edges. Similar voice and mannerisms too.



The house Duck Lips said was too small, Jon is overwhelmed by. It's huge. He says he could fit his whole family in the bedroom alone. Funny how two people from similar T.V. backgrounds could view the same thing so differently.

Liz and Jon get something quick to eat and talk about how Kate judges Jon and that he can't win. She never likes anyone he is with, which pretty much says it all. If I could play Dr. Jenn for a moment, it is not the women that bother Kate--it's Jon being happy, and that is pretty sociopathic. Liz said she tried to be open minded when meeting Kate but that didn't last long. Heh, you mean when you tweeted she rolled her car window up in your face? However Liz also says Jon plays victim about the situation, which is a fair comment.

They head straight into therapy with Dr. Jenn. Well, they wasted no time here. They first met when Jon noticed Liz in a parking lot and later picked her up at the bar. Romantic. Liz thought this was going to be some kind of one-night stand thing, but instead Jon just wanted to be held. Oh, sheesh, that's sad.

Liz said she didn't expect "Jon Gosselin" to be on her couch that night, and Jon gets all strung out because he hates when she calls him that. I'm with Liz on this one, she's just saying it was a little surreal to have a persona you've seen on T.V. suddenly be in your real life. Her initial reaction is a normal one, like how you might be taken aback if you actually saw Santa Claus come down your chimney and eat the cookies you left out you were planning to eat yourself. I see what she means about Jon playing victim, he is sort of being a big baby about some fair points she is making, but Dr. Jenn says she is diminishing his feelings and needs more compassion. I guess, but Jon throwing a fit about her being a little thrown off by a celebrity on her couch is pretty silly.

Jon is haunted by Kate and his past, he says. Normally I would say this is a little dramatic, but when you consider this .... globule.... is his ex:



 it's actually quite understandable. God, can you imagine being haunted by Kate Gosselin? And what sort of medium or ghost hunter would you call who would be willing to get rid of it?

Jon wants to get married, Liz does not because she's concerned that she's interchangeable to Jon. Jon shakes his head in disbelief saying that's just nonsense.

Well, after all that heaviness, coming up next the lesbians are googling Teen Duck Lips and are horrified. Yes!

We're back, and Teen Duck Lips is really looking forward to tomorrow so she can wake up and do her hair. And that is why Teen Duck Lips is such fun to watch. Hey, is anyone else missing Debra right about now? If you watched Farrah's show you know who I'm talking about. Why couldn't she come in and be Farrah's other half? Those two have enough issues to keep Dr. Jenn busy until retirement.

The lesbians are having a pow-wow and decide that Teen Duck Lips is lying about her sex tape because they've heard it was not just some random accidental sex tape but a heavily produced and planned pornography film put together by a camera crew. Ha, they're like let's Google it and decide for ourselves! This gives a whole new meaning to Google is your friend. It will even help you clarify what's porn and what's not, it's that awesome of a friendship. Do folks like Farrah honestly think, when they spout off all these lies, that no one knows how to use a computer? The lesbians find it, and they watch it. And they're horrified, of course. Their conclusion: Oh, full-on porn star, for sure. Baw-haha!

Coming up next week, the lesbians call out Teen Duck Lips on her heavily produced pornographic film. I don't know what this has to do with couples therapy and growing as a couple but this showdown sure looks great. In other news, Jon is still playing victim and Liz calls him a pussy for it.

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Sleepless In Seattle said...

I recently saw this on Facebook: An outside dog is an inside dog without a home.

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Oh, admin, that is so sad, but so true.

Has anyone noticed that all of those television commercials for homeless dogs and cats have resurfaced again after a brief respite? I can't change the channel fast enough.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

According to this article and hundreds upon hundreds of others like it, dogs roam for three main reasons: looking for sex, boredom, or FEAR.

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Not much different than the human male.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Has TFW ever said Shoka slept inside at night? (I accidentally typed that as Milo sleeping inside at night, lol.)
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Well just wait KK will magically tweet a photo of a happy Shoka inside with a nice warm bed and Milo will tweet seee I told ya so.
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So Kate Andy has met you 2x didn't you say once you meet me you like me??

So what Andy deal and what's KC deal and Wendy's deal they don't like you.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

That's how it looks to me. Yours posted at 7:26 (EST) and Milo's at 7:38. Just long enough for Milo to read it and tweet: "I cannot stand two-faced disloyal people!"--linked to a drawing of a man with two faces and a forked tongue and no particular reference as to whom she means.

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Thanks, Virginia. Not a coincidence, I wouldn't think. Too funny. Hi, Milo! Tell Kate to bring Shoka inside. You don't need to do it in a tweet because we'd know that you read here. Just DM her, or e-mail her, or however else you do your communicatin. Shoka will love you for it.

Greedy Gosselins said...

Nobody has to agree with the criticism of Jon, but to object to it on grounds that the criticism is "derogatory" or "don't judge because you haven't lived it" is incredibly hypocritical when that is done to Kate every day here. There shouldn't be one set of "rules" for the side you like and a different set for the side you don't.
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Amen, Daria. And the name calling is rather juvenile as well.

I think if Jon were doing anything involving a court and a judge, we'd be hearing about it. Wouldn't we? Someone would have discovered the motion(s).

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

She was complaining that he was playing the victim. Is there any difference? I don't know...

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Due to the recap I had to watch this show quite slowly and carefully over a few hours. I found myself taking sides in most of the couple's disagreements. I.e. who I thought was right and who was wrong in their various disagreements. I guess that's just what makes the show fun for many viewers, picking sides. Except Duck Lips squared I could not find a side anywhere there in that mess.

I was very surprised to find myself genuinely siding with Liz. First of all, she had every right to be taken aback that a celebrity was interested in her and suddenly in her life. Come on, Jon wouldn't be the same way before he spent a lot of time in LA and got used to bumping into people like Duck Lips all the time? She also I think was pretty spot on when she said he plays victim. Isn't that what so many of us have been saying? Yes it sucks that Kate is his ex heck yes he was dealt one awful hand in all this and this parental alienation is some of the worst, but you know what, lots of people are dealt shitty hands. At a certain point you have to buck up and get on with life, how long is he going to whine about her? If she does something that is in violation of their court orders, you're going to have to pay the money and get yourself to court. Anything else is not all that productive and perpetuates the victim black hole he's created. I can see how Liz is kind of tired of it.

And I think her interchangeable comment was completely fair. Jon is obviously not doing enough to make her feel like he doesn't just want a warm body to snuggle with, that he doesn't just want a reasonably nice woman, any reasonably nice woman, around--rather he needs to show her that he really loves HER for who she is regardless of what his "needs" are emotionally or whatever.

Anyway I felt for Liz in this relationship, and I think she really needs to do some soul searching and decide if this is really what she wants. Jon is Jon, and has a long way to go, and in many ways she seems far less dysfunctional emotionally than him. She knows who she is and what she wants, no question, and she's several years younger than him. She also does not have big baggage or drama in her life. Jon and HIS issues are her only drama that I can tell.

I like her honesty and her sort of ability to freely call Jon out is exactly what he needs right now. Other than to just be single for awhile to really seek some closure with his past, which is what other people suggested.

In light of the many negative comments about her, I wasn't expecting to end up taking her side over Jon's.

Just watched Andy's Mazel of the day!!! HAHHAHA this guy is great. They DON'T hate her--***They do!**

Sleepless In Seattle said...

I was looking at Kate's endorsement for the Butterfly sheets, @bflydreams sheets. I guess that's my problem. I don't have luxury sheets, hence, insomnia. Then I could change my name to "Lunesta In Seattle." Butterflies would be circling my bed. What fun.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I think if Jon were doing anything involving a court and a judge, we'd be hearing about it. Wouldn't we? Someone would have discovered the motion(s).

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We did hear about it. I just told you my reliable source told me Kate's in numerous violations and if I wasn't clear Jon does intend to take these complaints to the judge but court dates don't happen overnight. If he were wise, he's contacted his attorney and having her prepare a full contempt motion detailing every violation that has occurred since he was last in court. That takes time.

In any case, we actually won't hear about it in any other way but people leaking it. There is no way to post documents from it other than general court dockets which don't tell us much. Their family law case was officially sealed ages ago, nothing has been public since. The briefs WE saw were about Jon's lawsuit with TLC, that was DIFFERENT. We never saw a single brief dealing with the divorce itself since it's been sealed.

Family law cases are often confidential for the sake of the children's protection and best interest, especially for high profile families, as they should be.

sparkle said...

Virginia Pen Mom said.....
Has TFW ever said Shoka slept inside at night? (I accidentally typed that as Milo sleeping inside at night, lol.)
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Oh don't you remember? Shoka blogged extensively about how his humans wanted him to come inside when it was cold, but he longed to be outside. Since Shoka seems to call the shots there, outside he is.

My dog would like to be left alone with a roomful of cats for 5 minutes. He would like to permanently attach his nose to the butt of the pretty lady dog next store. He also would like full access to our couches and for us to leave the snack cuboard open at all times. BUT WE DON'T LET HIM! 'CAUSE HE'S A DOG! It's our job to make safe, sound decisions for minor children and animals. Kate never got that memo. This is why her kids will be on Youtube forever sitting on potty seats on a driveway, and why Shoka is outside in -15 wind chill weather with only a heated dogmat. With Milo fibbin' up a storm to cover for Kate's negligence.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

One more thought about Jon and Liz as I've said about Kate, Kate picked Jon. So too did Jon pick Kate. So all this whining about each other-- BUT YOU PICKED EACH OTHER! Kate did not get this way overnight. He should have been aware of her personality from the beginning, he should have noticed her short fuse, her problems socially, her clear mental health issues. If he chose to ignore that and go for her anyway that was on him. So too should Kate have thought long and hard about the kind of person Jon was and whether that is someone she would want to deal with if she ever fell out of love with him. The fact that they refused to even consider the possibility and maybe reevaluate whether they should REALLY tie the knot is really their problem.

Once you marry and then have children with someone, you bind yourself to that person for the next 18 years and usually much longer. That was a choice he made and he should have been prepared that if it ever went to hell someday he would still have to deal with her only now she wouldn't like him anymore.

I've been very vocal that I really DO feel for the guy and I think he's the only real hope these kids have at a normal life, and I think he's tried his hardest to do what's right for them even if I don't always agree, but there is a big part of me that completely understood Liz's attitude and frustrations. Sort of like but Jon, YOU made this bed! Maybe it wasn't the exact sheets and pillows he expected to put on it but it's still the same bed at the end of the day now lie in it.

Paula said...

I guess I missed the name-calling...Very little name-calling occurs on this blog. Disagreeing and believing that telling someone to "man-up" is disrespectul and derogatory is not "name calling" - it is speaking to what I believe. Or, do you consider that "bullying" as well?

njay said...

Gladys just can't keep her nose out of anything!
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I know Gladys is used as a parody of the nosy lady across the street from Samantha but has anyone noticed the irony of Samantha being a WITCH? lol I'm sure you have but I just got it. lol

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Case in point apparently Kate recently took him to court over the gun probably asking that he get rid of it and the judge made a fair ruling and comprise by saying no he does not have to get rid of it but he should get a safe.

We had NO IDEA about that. None. The ONLY reason we knew about it is because Jon chose to disclose that. Had he not said anything we'd have no clue that happened to this day.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Heyyy wait a second.

Who won the CHRISTMAS GIVEAWAY she had??

My god Kate it's almost February.

LOL we should start a pool. I don't have a billion dollars to give away but I'm going with we will NEVER hear the results of this not-a contest. Submit your dates you think we'll hear!

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Gladys just can't keep her nose out of anything!
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njay said... 12

I know Gladys is used as a parody of the nosy lady across the street from Samantha but has anyone noticed the irony of Samantha being a WITCH? lol I'm sure you have but I just got it. lol

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hahahaha, njay! I never caught it.

chefsummer #Leh said...

I bet Kate will tweet a photo of Shoka inside or she make a lame woof blog about how he joins in on the fun inside.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

a parody of the nosy lady across the street from Samantha but has anyone noticed the irony of Samantha being a WITCH? lol I'm sure you have but I just got it. lol

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hahahaha, njay! I never caught it.


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How about the irony of Samantha not really being what Gladys thought too? I mean she was a witch but Gladys suspected something sinister or bad when really she was just a nice wife and mother who happened to have some powers.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Who won the CHRISTMAS GIVEAWAY she had??
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Um she had more important things to do like appearing on the today show and the view her sheep can/will wait.

Over In TFW's County said...

Here's what pi$$es me off about Kate and the dog, if it's true that she makes him stay outside with only a heated pad.

I monitor temperatures here on a daily basis. If I think it's too cold for the stray cats to be outside, I bring them in where they have their own room, food, water, litter box, toys, night light, fur blanket and elevator music at night. I even put a television in their room so they have something to listen to during the day. I know...it's a little bit crazy.

If someone such as myself can do that for cats that aren't even mine, why does Kate, who has said how much Shoka is loved, spoiled, and is part of her family. allow her dog to be outside in freezing temperatures? I just don't get it.

Marie said...

I find it really distasteful to even THINK that it is even any of our business anyway. When did it become our right to know any of the details that are private family matters?

Marie

Paula said...

I have no doubt "Milo" reads here and loves the attention he/she gets - perhaps that's why some of her tweets are so over the top, he/she knows it brings attention.. I also believe he/she/it posts here as well.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

sparkle said... 9
Virginia Pen Mom said.....
Has TFW ever said Shoka slept inside at night? (I accidentally typed that as Milo sleeping inside at night, lol.)
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Oh don't you remember? Shoka blogged extensively about how his humans wanted him to come inside when it was cold, but he longed to be outside. Since Shoka seems to call the shots there, outside he is.

.... BUT WE DON'T LET HIM! 'CAUSE HE'S A DOG! It's our job to make safe, sound decisions for minor children and animals. Kate never got that memo. This is why her kids will be on Youtube forever sitting on potty seats on a driveway, and why Shoka is outside in -15 wind chill weather with only a heated dogmat. With Milo fibbin' up a storm to cover for Kate's negligence.

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Now I do remember. Amen, and you're right on every point. TFW is a dog-abusing idiot, and Milo should be ashamed for defending it.

I really worry about Shoka. There was a photo collage on Facebook during the previous freezing weather... It showed dogs attempting to sleep outside in the snow with a caption like "How would you like to sleep like this?" I was going to post it here at the time, but it was SO pitiful, so sad, I couldn't bring myself to.

Nala is fortunate she was taken elsewhere. Shoka is nothing but a prop to the witch. Of course, if her children are props, there's no hope for the dog.

Over In TFW's County said...

LOL we should start a pool. I don't have a billion dollars to give away but I'm going with we will NEVER hear the results of this not-a contest. Submit your dates you think we'll hear!

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February 14 (which year, I'm not sure)...a Valentine's Day sweetheart gift, along with one scrambled egg, a mini blueberry muffin, and a strip of turkey bacon.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I find it really distasteful to even THINK that it is even any of our business anyway. When did it become our right to know any of the details that are private family matters?

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I suppose when so many people started accusing Jon of "not doing anything in court." That said, I'm just happy to hear it's being taken to court and I don't need to know anything more.

He is doing something. Just because someone does things in court doesn't mean the parental alienator FOLLOWS the court orders requested and put in place. And just because someone has been to court or is planning to go to court doesn't mean we'll hear about it.

It's a false assumption to assume that because Kate took the twins to NY, left the tups with a nanny, and Jon didn't know, means she had a RIGHT to do such a thing. She did not. Among other things.

Over In TFW's County said...

YOU made this bed! Maybe it wasn't the exact sheets and pillows he expected to put on it but it's still the same bed at the end of the day now lie in it.

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He should have bought the $165 luxury butterfly queen set. She probably would have been a much happier camper.

Over In TFW's County said...

My dog would like to be left alone with a roomful of cats for 5 minutes.

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Well, come on over here. I have the cats! They'd probably enjoy an overnight visitor.

Marie said...

Seriously, if you REALLY believe Ashoka is being abused, then CALL ANIMAL CONTROL! Put your money where your mouth is. I did it with a neighbor who I thought was abusing a horse. They came out and investigated. The animal was taken away. End of story. Though they hated me ever since but that doesn't matter.

Marie

sparkle said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 14
Heyyy wait a second.

Who won the CHRISTMAS GIVEAWAY she had??

My god Kate it's almost February.
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Out of her core herd of ewes, they already have a crookbook. I guess maybe a few of them entered anyway. She may have gotten 20 entries total. She's pretending that she has to (sigh) sort through thousands of entries, there's just so many!!!!!!!!

Sadie said...

I've been watching last night's WWHL but I can't find his Mazel of the day. Can someone help me out?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think it's a "shitty hand" to be dealing with a network that does not respect the fact that any good parent would not want to put on TV their divorce on TV and their children going through that, among some other things. It was also a shitty hand to not be in front of some of the fine judges I've seen who understand and appreciate parental alienators like Kate and treat them with the contempt they deserve. Oh well that's the hand he was dealt. Anyone with morals and a conscience, even a network, should respect that he didn't want to film the divorce. Any judge who has done their research on alienation should have recognized Kate for what she is. But this didn't happen, and that's shitty for him, bad luck, whatever you want to call it. Make no mistake, in this case and many others, get a different judge and suddenly your case makes a complete turn around. It is still a rather arbitrary system based largely on good luck and who you land in front of.

There have been countless examples of networks opting out of filming certain scenarios. A recent case in point is Bravo heavily reediting Russell Armstrong after his death because it was not MORAL to air some of the things they were going to do and no other reason. Now yes they still did air some things and the family was not fully happy but the point is they DID make some changes based on morality alone. Maybe other networks would not have done this for the Armstrong family, and that would be a shitty hand.

I stand by that comment. He was dealt a shitty hand. I was not talking about Kate. I was talking about the situation and the various things that happened to him that led to this point. Some he had control of, some were good luck, and others were some pretty bad luck. That's how life goes.

Over In TFW's County said...

Amen, Daria. And the name calling is rather juvenile as well.

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Name calling of Kate, or name calling of other posters? Although I haven't read all of the comments the past few days, I haven't seen name calling of posters for quite awhile. I would think that admin deletes those posts.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I've been watching last night's WWHL but I can't find his Mazel of the day. Can someone help me out?

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It was at the very end. Although am I mistaken that there are actually TWO Andy Cohen shows each night? He was referring to some other show he was going to do in what I saw.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

And let's not forget that she also takes them out of school at her whim, which is probably not part of a custodial agreement. I imagine she has plenty to answer to, just hoping she is taken to task for her parental alienation. Someone really needs a timeout.

Nothing wrong with spending $165 on a set of sheets, but when you tell the media you are 'piecing and patching', when your boys only wear clothes 2 sizes too large, when you grift Chipotle gift cards, well, that is when you should watch what you say on Twitter.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I don't usually allow what I consider name calling and I usually will just cut off a back and forth if it starts getting to be a tit for tat personal thing.

This is not really a blog where I appreciate a lot of personal one on one back and forth bickering. Unless I see a lot of other people chiming in and interested, I will end it quickly. It's just sort of something I've learned along the way with this blog, end it earlier rather than later. There is a big difference between debate and disagreement, and bickering like an old married couple who should have gotten divorced decades ago.

chefsummer #Leh said...

She probably would have been a much happier camper.
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Um Kate doesn't like camping remember I mean pretend to be homeless when you have a mcmansion.

Paula said...

I would have to believe that taking the kids out of school just to appear on a television show in NYC would hardly be considered an excused absence. I guess those rules could be different with a Private School. In my area, if a student is absent X number of days without a valid excuse, i.e. death, illness, the student is turned over to a social worker.

Norma said...

Paula, maybe you should *woman up* and use your words! LOL
(as Kate would say) ;)

Greedy Gosselins said...

When did it become our right to know any of the details that are private family matters?

I guess when Kate and Jon put their private family matters out there for our consumption.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Andy has his normal show which airs on TV then he follows up with his on-line edition of what happens after the show with the same guests.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Nothing wrong with spending $165 on a set of sheets, but when you tell the media you are 'piecing and patching', when your boys only wear clothes 2 sizes too large, when you grift Chipotle gift cards, well, that is when you should watch what you say on Twitter.

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Yes, indeed. Flaunting your "obsession" with $165 sheets is not a good idea, especially when you have fans who wish they could afford such nice linens. There are some things you just don't brag about, and that's one of them.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie) Sleepless in Seattle wrote:
Then I could change my name to "Lunesta In Seattle." Butterflies would be circling my bed. What fun.
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That is very funny. Also, do you remember that Kate wrote in her copyrighted Mommy blog that she use to take Lunesta when she had the tups and still had to go to work as a nurse. I wonder if she still takes any sleep meds. Oh heck, I forget, no need to because she can go back to bed and sleep all day until the kids have to be picked up around 3pm or so.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Seriously, if you REALLY believe Ashoka is being abused, then CALL ANIMAL CONTROL! Put your money where your mouth is

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There is no proof that he is being abused, other than Kate saying that he "likes" to be outside. In freezing cold temperatures, and that would be neglect. It's a tough call. You were a neighbor. You saw proof of abuse. Anyone who dislikes Kate can call the shelter and say that the dog is being abused...just to make things miserable for her. I would imagine that the employees would get pretty darn sick of that. How do you know what's true and isn't true? You can't keep running those people to her house with false reports. It would turn into the boy who cried wolf.

If it is true, I would hope that the neighbors have seen it and reported it so that dog can be brought inside and someone can read the facts of life to her.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

There a time a sheeple decided to pull a prank and posted here that the dog was left outside with no food or water. Someone here or on Twitter erred on the side of caution, called the local humane organization and apparently they sent a person out to check. It apparently wasn't true. The dog was fine.

The sheeple sat back and laughed about it, if I remember correctly.

chefsummer #Leh said...

My dogs like the snow here in Chicago. They love running and jumping and eating it. Would I leave them out side in the snow??-(No way)

Marie said...

here is no proof that he is being abused,
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Then why keep talking about it like she IS being abused?

Marie said...

If Shaka was being abused, I'm betting Jon would have reported it by now and I bet it would get more attention than if he said the children were getting abused. That's how our society works. It sucks.

Marie said...

rainbowsandunicorns said... 43
There a time a sheeple decided to pull a prank and posted here that the dog was left outside with no food or water. Someone here or on Twitter erred on the side of caution, called the local humane organization and apparently they sent a person out to check. It apparently wasn't true. The dog was fine.
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There you go.

Marie said...

I guess when Kate and Jon put their private family matters out there for our consumption.
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I believe the court papers were sealed so that we COULDN'T know.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


This is the trouble with divorce-it gives the children options that they shouldn't have. As in, if they don't like what one parent is doing they can always threaten to go live with the other parent.

In a marriage, the kids don't have the choice of saying, oh, I'm going to go live with xxxx. There isn't that option. They gotta deal with the parents they have.




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This is a great comment from Mel this morning I wanted to respond to.

We're getting a sense here the twins are calling a lot of the shots, and that's not necessarily a good thing. It sounds to me like Kate's priority is using them to help alienate Jon and if that means ponying up to them, buying things, and letting them get their way, that's what she'll do. I really got the sense they walk all over her, despite her very dominant personality.

While it is good to respect a child's wishes, on the flip side, you are also asking a child to make decisions they are not emotionally ready for. A 13 year old is not emotionally ready to decide whether their parents will or will not be in their lives and how often. That is a decision an adult makes once childhood is over. And yet because of broken families, we impose that very adult decision or at least some input on young children all the time. And when you add in the mix the twins being well aware of how Kate feels about Jon, it becomes an even more dysfunctional situation. They may even feel like Kate emotionally could not handle them seeing and having a great relationship with their dad (Mady even said she was well aware Kate has been upset about the divorce), and so they've gradually conformed to what she wants. What I saw on Today was two kids very torn between loyalty to mom or dad, and that is shameful they should ever feel that. Who knows what's going on, but I think whatever it is, it doesn't sound healthy.

California case law says you need to drag a child kicking and screaming to his visitation unless you can show true "detriment" ON the visits (like abusing the kid during the visits either emotionally or physically), not just abuse in the parent's history. Even child molesters are sometimes allowed to see their kids if the judge can't make that detriment finding (after all no one is getting molested on a monitored visit). I'm not sure if I agree with that in all situations, but it is the law here.

AuntieAnn said...

Paula said... 36

I would have to believe that taking the kids out of school just to appear on a television show in NYC would hardly be considered an excused absence.

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Sorry, I disagree. The poor woman has eight kids to support, with probably only a few million left in the bank and some savvy investments to tide her over if things get a little rough. She should be able to pull her kids out of school to be on tv. They've GOT to find work. She's struggling. Why doesn't anyone get it?!

(how am I doing, Milo? Pretty good, huh? )

Starz22 said...

I'm sorry but I have to ask again. Maybe Admin can give me a clearer answer...

TFW took Robert to court for "stealing" her personal property. She later dropped the suit. So did TFW admit that the information that Robert put in his book was true? Does she now own the "rights" to it? If he no longer puts confidential information containing TLC contracts in it, why cant he post his book on his own website?
There should be no cost to him if he puts the book on his own website and charges people whatever he wants...1 dollar or 8 to download it and read it right?
And if TFW sues him again, and he didn't break any laws...he can get the money he spent defending himself back as damages from her correct?

Localyocul said...

PA Dutch Mom said... 188
Milo is defenssing Kate leaving Shoka outside sayin he's spoiled with a heated dog house. That dog better be inside it's 14 going down to 2 with a windchill advisory. We have at least 5 inches I snow since this morning and due to get 5-6 more.

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It's still coming down here, Local, and it looks like you'll be the last to see it exit! More forecast for Thursday, Saturday and Monday. I hate this. That dog has no business being outside except to do his 'business.'
January 21, 2014 at 5:29 PM

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Ugh I haven't seen that forecast. I was caught off guard by this snow. First I heard was at 3am yesterday when my phone alerts went off.

Get this I was at my second job tonight...retail. We had 2 customers in 5 hours so I was bored and alphabetizing furniture orders and a few days ago a "Kate Gosslin" (no e) had ordered baby furniture. Very strange

Localyocul said...

Now Chelsey lately is talking about a guy whose bird ratted the owner out bro cops and Chelsey is mocking bird owners

Localyocul said...

The Soup commercial just came on and they mentioned Couples Therapy.

abby said...

I believe the court papers were sealed so that we COULDN'T know.
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Well, it appears someone WANTS us to know.

Meagler said...

Thanks Tucker's mom and everyone else for their well wishes and prayers and positive thoughts. We are all trying to stay pretty positive here waiting to see what the treatment plan will be, and in the mean time both are studying for exams.


I vote that NB will select her not a contest winner at the same time she tells us what happened to her car that broke down. NB likes to start projects but she doesnt like to finish them...

Has anyone found a l;ink to the View that we can watch in Canada?

njay said...

Just a FYI about Farrah and CT. Maybe your interested or maybe not. Here is some info if you are.

http://jezebel.com/couples-therapy-cast-calls-bullshit-on-farrah-abraham-1503417956/@tracie

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jenelle-evans-calls-out-farrah-abraham-for-allegedly-faking-her-relationship-on-couples-therapy-201431

T said...

Aww, 'Beauty&the Beast'!
At this time, our family is still discussing 'who is who' but Zorro says he's the beauty! pic.twitter.com/N4QRWKw3tY
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Am I interpreting this right? If Zorro is the 'beauty', is Kate implying that Mady is the 'beast'? I hope not, because to quote Liz- that's bleeped up!

Anonymous said...

Here you go, Meagler. I posted it earlier this morning.

http://www.ctv.ca/TheView/video.aspx

Liz needs to understand that if she wants to be with Jon, she's got a lot of years ahead of her that will have this drama with TFW. She'd better think long and hard on whether or not it's what she wants. They can have all the therapy they want and really work on their relationship, but TFW is not going away. All she can change is the way she/they respond to it.

PJ

Mel said...

If TFW is encouraging all of the kids to have a good relationship with their dad like she said she is...why is she allowing the twins to skip seeing him?
That's not fair to him or the kids. She needs to be the adult and say to the twins, it's important to see your dad, you can't build a relationship with him if you never see him. Go on. I'll be waiting for you, fresh baked cookies in hand and a smile on my face.

But I think she's secretly delighted if the kids don't want to see Jon. I think she encourages that kind of thinking.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

If Shaka was being abused, I'm betting Jon would have reported it by now and I bet it would get more attention than if he said the children were getting abused. That's how our society works. It sucks.

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The dog's name is Shoka. Not Ashoka, not Shaka, and Shoka is a male, Nala is his sister, who is no longer there. How would Jon know if Shoka were abused if he's not allowed on the property? Do you think that the kids would tell him that their mother is neglecting the dog? they'd be subjected to the Wrath of Kate.

Who said the dog is abused? The comments have been "if" the dog is abused. Nobody here has claimed that he is...on Twitter, yes, here, no. Kate tweeted that she got a heated pad for the dog, and the comments I read were that a heated pad isn't enough to keep the dog warm in frigid temperatures.

Enough...movin' on.

AuntieAnn -- you're doin great! Gotta drop those g's though!

AnnieD said...

Now here's a child with both talent and a big personality. He upstaged Ellen...and he's only 7. He's Elias!
http://www.ellentv.com/episodes/the-fabulous-kim-kardashian/elias/
Kate....take note. Nurture your children's talents.

DanielleB said...

T said... 58
Aww, 'Beauty&the Beast'!
At this time, our family is still discussing 'who is who' but Zorro says he's the beauty! pic.twitter.com/N4QRWKw3tY
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Am I interpreting this right? If Zorro is the 'beauty', is Kate implying that Mady is the 'beast'? I hope not, because to quote Liz- that's bleeped up!

In my family, that's called teasing. I remember going to a park one day when I was probably around 12, and all of a sudden my dad stopped and said "Looks like we have to leave". When I asked why, he pointed to a sign that said "All pets must be on a leash" and said that since he forgot my leash, we couldn't stay. I knew he was teasing, we both got a little laugh, and went on with our day.
There were a lot of times he "picked on" me and my brothers and sisters, and we just learned to give it back. We knew it was all in fun.

Have we become so afraid of hurting feelings that a little ribbing isn't even allowed anymore?
Everyone cries bullying over every little thing and coddles their kids way too much. There's a difference between picking on someone and just having a little fun.

Anonymous said...

I have not walked a mile, or even an inch, in TFW's shoes. I wear a smaller size than she. She has not walked a mile in mine either. For gosh sake, I've lived 38+ years with a man who travels to Mars for stress relief, in a recliner. She has no idea what hard work really is...

capecodmama said...

Have missed your recaps Admin. That was hilarious. I have a question though. In the first paragraph you said (D.V. my ass, Taylor...). What does D.V.stand for?

TFW can have her $165 sheets. I love my Ralph Lauren sheets that I picked up at Homegoods for only $49.99 for the set. Suck it TFW. Piecing and patching my ass.

We're getting up to 15 inches of snow. Hope everyone in the path of this storm stays safe.

Meagler said...

T...is kind of sounds like that is what NB is insinuating! How passive aggressive is THAT!?!?

I found the link for the Canadian CTV View video from the previous thread, but it wont work for me :(

As for Kate errr NB I do believe she is the type of parental alientator that does not even listen to the courts.

Those young 6, sound more and more like they will experience the same lifestyle as the dionne quints ( who were believed to be sextuplets with the 6th being miscarried at 3 months).

The following is an exert about them...... sounds eerily similar to what we are hearing today!

"the parents often treated them at home as a five-part unit, and frequently lectured them about the trouble they had caused the family by existing. They were sometimes denied privileges the other children received, and were more strictly disciplined and punished. They also received a heavier share of the housework and farmwork. They were unaware for many years that the lavish house, the expensive food and the series of cars the family enjoyed were paid for with money they themselves had earned. "

Excerpts from their letter to the McCaughey parents:

"Multiple births should not be confused with entertainment, nor should they be an opportunity to sell products........Our lives have been ruined by the exploitation we suffered "

Kate said herself she never bonded with the 6. She bonded with the TV cameras better then she bonded with her own flesh and blood.

Meagler said...

Thanks PJ....Not sure why I cant get it to load...will try again tomorrow!

Gnite everyone!

JoyinVirginia said...

We have gotten a dusting here in central Virginia, local news folks are trying to make it seem like Blizzard of Century. we curled up on the couch to watch TV and the dogs curled up on top of us. They are Not Impressed with the snow.
Njay, I had not caught that comparison of Samantha the witch and neighbor Gladys. I'm thinking more and more that Milo has some connection to Rat Claws.
Finally watched my recording of SNL tonight. Antics of Justin Bieber, Chris Christie, A Rod, Golden Globes winners, took precedence over a today show interview with two average teens and their wanna be stage mother.
TFMJG should have had them in singing, acting, dance classes for years if she really wanted to develop their talent, our give them a chance to find their talent.

MickeyMcKean said...

Formerly Duped said... 4

With regard to the previous thread, I would caution people NOT to send Robert any money. ***We do not know enough about the truth of his intentions and so far he has not lived up to his promises.***

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I have to say that I totally agree and thanks to Kate and her grifting ways where she is not totally honest about her true circumstances, I am very leery of sending anyone any money unless I know them personally or they are local and I can confirm what is really going on.

As for the web sites that solicit donations such as GOFUNDME, I know someone who recently requested funds in adopting a 4th child. The kicker is that I knew about the private adoption because I know the family history, but boy it totally threw me for a loop and pissed me off when I saw a request on GOFUNDME asking for money to help pay for the adoption costs because I know what job the adoptive father has and the very high income that goes along with it!!!

Then of course is the recent attempt by Katherine Jackson, Michael's mother, who was busted by TMZ when she set up a site requesting money from fans. She was saying she wanted to do a documentary re MJ but needed money to do so. Per TMZ Katherine did not approach the estate administrators and if she had they would probably say no to the project, but in the meantime any money that came in from fans she would be allowed to keep whether or not she ever did the documentary. Anyway a day or two after this story broke Katherine took down her web site asking for donations.

So in regards to Robert's book, if you want to support him buy the book when it is published. At this point in time I don't really care if it comes out or not -- if it is meant to be published I'm sure he will find a way and if not, then Kate will not have a reason to do yet another PR tour.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Kate said herself she never bonded with the 6. She bonded with the TV cameras better then she bonded with her own flesh and blood.

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I thought she said she bonded with Hannah. Oh, heck, she's said so many different things I don't know what she said!

NJGal51 said...

Admin - Andy Cohen sorta has 2 shows. The one on TV and the after show which is on the Internet.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

For gosh sake, I've lived 38+ years with a man who travels to Mars for stress relief, in a recliner. She has no idea what hard work really is...

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For you or for him?

Greedy Gosselins said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqBnKbpl454&feature=player_embedded

Here it is meagler!! A poor copy but the full clip.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

Does she now own the "rights" to it? If he no longer puts confidential information containing TLC contracts in it, why cant he post his book on his own website?

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It's the copyright issue. If she copyrighted it, then no, he can't put the copyrighted journal on his website and profit from it, even if he omits the contracts. Fair use is a gray area, and she'd probably scream "sue" even if he used just one sentence of the copyrighted material.
At least that's the way I understand it.

Jeanne said...

I have a question about the dog. If someone did call the Humane Society or whatever, does TFW actually HAVE to let them on the property? I didn't think they had the kind of legal pull as cops and child protective services. I guess I don't know much about it because I have no pets. I don't want dogs or cats in my house. So of course I don't own any. Seems more logical to me than what TFW is doing.

I do want to say though that working farm dogs are not usually brought into the house. It tends to be better to keep them with their animals. My grandfather had a working farm and he had a sheep dog to herd the sheep. They were in a northern state. The dog was always able to sleep in the barn which was kept warm by the presence of the sheep and the cattle. This does not apply to Shoka though as he cannot sleep in a chicken coop and he has not been trained to work with farm animals.

prairiemary said...

Dear Meagler, so sorry your kids are having health issues, 1 is bad enough, but 2 must be very draining, I hope for nothing but the best for all of you.
I am Canadian, and watched TFW on The View on CTV at the same time as it usually comes on. In fact, I have satelite t.v, so it was available at different times throughout the morning. I did not want to watch it, so just caught a few seconds to see if the twins were with her. I never do watch when she is on t.v.,just watch it later on any of the websites it is on. She makes my blood boil, she has so much, and cares so little. Those of us who have lost children to cancer or other ways, and then those that are going thru health issues, with not just 1, but 2,as Meagler is facing, perhaps dislike her more than most. Entitled
old, spoiled battle-axe, prima-donna, etc.,I could go on and on, as most of us can. She needs to get a big kick in the aZZ, and grow up! She will never know how good she has it until something drastic happens. I don't wish ill on the children, they have enough to carry. But I do wish her to have some calamity, something to make her think about something other than herself, being on t.v.,and tweeting about 'the good life'. There is so much sorrow in this world, yet she can only see herself. I do hope, that very soon, she will stumble and fall, and see that she has to change the way she looks at life.Throw eggs at me if you must, like I say,I do not wish harm on the children. But I do hope something will change and cause her to grow up. Sorry for the rant, but tfw is very 'rantable'. When you lose someone so precious as a child, you see life differently than those who have not. The haters call us jealous? I do admitt that yes, I am jealous of kate gosselin-jealous that she has all of the children she gave birth to. I just wish she realises what she has someday soon, because the clock is ticking. Those kids will be leaving home before too long, and she may end up sitting on her leather couch, with her phone and box of wine, all alone. Goodnight:)

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Most everywhere has some kind of animal welfare system and the government can take your dog or horse or snake as long as they follow procedure. Just like they can take your kids.

Anonymous said...

Kate is a lot of things, but I really don't think she is abusing Shoka. He looks well cared for in the pics I've seen. Our climate is a lot like Pennsylvania. I had a dog (part Golden Retriever/Shepherd) that would stay in the house for 5 minutes before wanting to be let out no matter how cold or snowy. No amount of coaxing could get him back in. He would lay on the covered porch and at some point would retreat to his house. I had another dog that, during the winter or rainy season, would go outside only to take care of business and if you didn't open the door the second she came up to it, would cry like she had been there for hours. She was a Black Lab/Rottweiler mix. I have friends that have had numerous German Shepherds and they preferred to be outside. I would caution anyone that wants to call the Humane Society or Animal Services to have proof positive as they usually have limited funds and too many erroneous reports will eat away the funds that could be used for animals that are really being abused. Bottom line, not all dog are the same and some truly want to be outside no matter if we think it's too cold or nasty.

Carmen

Starz22 said...

Why cant anyone answer me? #51 post...
Awaiting an answer...I just don't see what's so hard about Robert posting his "book" or whatever on his own website.

Paula said...

Auntie Ann..(how am I doing, Milo? Pretty good, huh? )
__________________________________________________

Perfect!!!

TLC stinks said...

If she copyrighted the journal, she is admitting everything in it is true. Not a copyright legal eagle, but can't you use copyrighted material as long as you give credit to the source? I sure remember writing papers in college with a zillion footnotes. Why can't he do that?

TLC stinks said...

Ok, now I get it. After I wrote that post I wanted to figure out what is the legal issue.

"Footnotes and copyrights (permissions) are two very different things. A footnote is a reference, usually placed at the bottom of a page of text, to comment on or to explain the text. A permission is a legal document granting you permission to use copyrighted material in your text. The permission may be granted for free or a fee may be charged. While a footnote may or may not identify the source of the material, there is no legal agreement involved with a footnote; it is simply a note added to the text."

So I guess Kate has a legal document that deny's permission to publish her copyrighted material.

Still, someone could still publish a narrative, from witnesses, about what went on during the TLC filming and interview close anonymous sources. Although she may have that blocked with confidentiality agreements, as a final resort I still think a fictional work would be the way to go or Jon could write his own story. Frankly, Robert should drop the whole thing because a handful of us have his book and the damage to her reputation is already out there. Robert gave away the prize he had by releasing that self-published book. He could have made plenty of money by selling his info as an anonymous source to the tabloids. I suspect he never consulted an attorney before publishing.

Anonymous said...

@Kateplusmy8: Kept this roll of backdrop paper (from our last fam @peoplemag shoot) for the PERFECT day...Today is it! #Snowydayfun pic.twitter.com/zUMrPBkcOT

Well we know that at 9 they're not artists.

Anonymous said...

Sorry if this is long, Admin, but it's part of a transcript from Dr. Drew's show that I happened to catch while channel surfing last night. It seems Madonna has Kreideritis:

PINSKY: Back with my co-host, Jenny Hutt. All this week, we`re taking a look at celebrity narcissism, stars who become self-preoccupied and lose empathy for others. Take a look at what Madonna posted on Instagram. It`s a picture of her son, Rocco, in a boxing ring. What got her in trouble was the hashtag which uses the "N" word.

And when her followers responded with outrage, Madonna said this, quote, "It was not meant as a racial slur. It was used as a term of endearment towards my son. I appreciate it`s a provocative word and I apologize if it gave people the wrong impression." Jenny, wow! Talk about -- failure.

PINSKY: WELL, hold on, Greg, but hold on. Judy, help me out with this because this is what narcissistic parenting is about, when you`re the cool person and the child is an extension of you and the child needs to be there to reflect perfectly back to you. Help people understand, because I`m the only published ad (ph) on celebrities and narcissism.
I was able to prove that people that seek celebrity are trying to solve an internal problem where they feel less-than and the celebrity status pumps them up, and where the liabilities come back out is in the relationships and their parenting.
HO: You`re absolutely right, Dr. Drew. And here, we see Madonna using her kids as tools for her self-promotion. I think that`s part of what you`re talking about narcissism.
And she should be thinking about this now that she has to think about her children and the impact that she has on young people everywhere. And she`s really not considering that, because it`s really about self- glorifying, and that`s the problem that I see here. I give her an F, Dr. Drew.
UTT: Dr. Drew, isn`t your book, "The Mirror Effect" all about celebrity narcissism.
TWEEDEN: You`re supposed to be a mother. You`re supposed to be a parent. Not somebody`s cool friend, especially your young child.
PINSKY: Exactly right. That`s exactly right. And it`s how she got herself into trouble, and I agree with all of you, she should have had enough self-awareness to understand the impact this would have.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1401/21/ddhln.01.html

Sorry, I can't find the video.

PJ

Anonymous said...

Sleepless In Seattle:

Given the noises he makes, the stress relief is definitely NOT for me :)

JMO said...

An oldie but good article about TFW which clearly had her number over 3 years ago.

http://www.examiner.com/article/review-sarah-palin-s-alaska-reveals-that-kate-gosselin-is-pure-evil-annoying

Carole said...

Flight of the Kiwi,
Good to see you! How are you and that recliner lovin', Mars traveling man doing?

Carole said...

And if TFW sues him again, and he didn't break any laws...he can get the money he spent defending himself back as damages from her correct?

No, not necessarily. If he counter-sued and asked for reimbursement of attorney fees and court costs if he won and IF the judge or jury awarded it, then yes. Otherwise, he's out those costs. And, if it's anything like when Dr. LaFair sued TFW and won but didn't receive her fees, he'd not see a cent from TFW.

Carole said...

when Jon goes to court, does he have to pay his attorney fees? Seems like Kate should have to pay since she violated the agreement, therefore initiating the action.

It would be nice if the person who violated a law or court order was the one to suffer the financial burden but that's generally not the way it works. If Jon wants to take a problem to the court he pays his own attorney fees and court costs.

Anonymous said...

Copyright law is complex: Under fair use for instance:

for illustration or clarification of the author’s observations; use in a parody of some of the content of the work parodied.

Also:
Copyright protects the particular way authors have expressed themselves. It does not extend to any ideas, systems, or factual information conveyed in a work.

Thus Robert potentially could quote from her journal to illustrate his observation of the abuse. Allegedly. Maybe.

Sweet of TFW to copyright her journal. She didn't give two hoots about copyright laws when she copied, in full, those workbooks for summer school for the 8. Entitled *itch.


Carole said...

PJ,
Thank you for the Dr. Drew show transcript about narcissism and celebrity. You could substitute TFW's name anywhere in the text since the examples fit perfectly.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1401/21/ddhln.01.html

Localyocul said...

@JohnLaurich: Parental alienation is abuse.
http://t.co/XZlLQrMXaH

JMO said...

It's pretty pathetic that a mother, who has had every opportunity in the world to sell HERSELF, is still selling her kids 9 and 13 years later.

Kate could start a business (as she noted on one of blogs), try for QVC (where she could talk for hours) with no one listening, yet she continues to use her kids non-stop, and to diss their father non-stop (now trying to use her kids to do the "dirty work.") Hell will come, and she will not get it, as usual.

This says a lot about her character (as family and friends are disposable) so I have no doubt one day she will have conflict with the kids when they don't tow her "company line." And once they turn 18 and have their own voice- look out. Pay backs are a -itch.. In some strange, and sad way, all of the kids have most likely learned how to "manage" her selfishness, but at 18, I imagine all of the kids, especially the boys, will say FU and get away from her as quickly as they can.

Midnight Madness said...

Starz22 said... 79
Why cant anyone answer me? #51 post...

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You asked admin. I would guess that she and the blog girls and pool boys do take a break every now and then, and with the high number of posts, admin most likely didn't get a chance to go through all of them. I think that she did, previously, respond to the copyright question. I would think that it's not an uncomplicated issue and there may not be an answer set in stone.

JoyinVirginia said...

Hi Flight of Kiwi! Glad to hear Rocket Man is still taking trips in the magic recliner!

Dwindle said...

"Oh, Jehoshaphat."

One of your best lines ever. I cant stop laughing.

capecodmama said...

TFW's Today show interview and the outrage that ensued was on my homepage for three days. The View interview, no so much. It was only there for about two hours. Sorry TFW. The Today show interview is what is burned in people's minds. Your damage control did not work. Ha!

Dmasy said...

I always wondered how you spell "Jehoshaphat".

Carole said...

OMG,
In Touch cover story is "We Want to Live With Daddy"
"according to the new issue of In Touch, Jon is taking his ex to court, seeking custody of their children — something they want, he says. “They live in fear of Kate,” he says."

http://gossipdavid.com/2014/01/22/kate-gosselin-jon-gosselin-kids-custody-fight/

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

"according to the new issue of In Touch, Jon is taking his ex to court, seeking custody of their children — something they want, he says. “They live in fear of Kate,” he says.

***
Told you he was going to court, just what I was told the other day.

I wish the parents could just share custody, but I think it's become pretty clear to most of us the only way for the parental alienation to stop is if custody switches to him. I wish him the best with an uphill battle.

PatK said...

For the third week in a row, the Gosselins are on the new In Touch cover again. Now Jon says the kids want to live with him and he's taking Kate to court for custody.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

They interviewed Jon himself apparently, it's not just a source. From the horse's mouth he is going to seek full custody of the sextuplets.

It's really the only thing he can do or they'll get brainwashed just like the twins. Besides Kate's banking everything on the twins now anyway, what does she care. And the twins seem to hate them anyway.

The really sad thing though is this is just going to create division and bad blood between the tups and the twins, not that I don't think that's not happening anyway. That is tragic. A sibling is a special thing and it is a real shame that it's become so bitter between them.

TLC stinks said...

Perhaps Jon will marry Liz so that a judge will be most likely to grant him custody.

Localyocul said...

When I think of how loving mady was during fumigate it breaks my heart that she resents them so much. I hope the six really do want to live with him. I wonder how big his new place is. Really 3 bedrooms would be plenty. Don't the three girls share a room anyway?

Localyocul said...

I remember they got divorced in Montgomery county instead of Berks since the sockets were more private or something. I guess custody is too?

Milo's going to have a stroke

TLC stinks said...

I believe the tips do want to live with Jon; otherwise, Kate would have trotted them out before the cameras too. She must be afraid of what they would say. I believe she has the twins under her thumb, although Cara is obviously unhappy, but is close to Mady and probably would not want to leave her. This explains his moving to another house and raising money for attorney fees. Ok, now that I have the big picture, I will give him a pass on appearing on CT.

Localyocul said...

Sheesh fumigate=gumgate

Paula said...

Admin, does the fact that Kate has violated the custody agreement help Jon's case for custody?

TLC stinks said...

With Mady's hateful comments on TV about the tups, it gives, I think more ammunition for Jon. I've always thought that Kate favored the twins since the tups were no longer babies. I think she will really pressure Mady now.

Formerly Duped said...

I wonder if they could arrange custody and split it up so Jon has the tup one weekend while twins are with Kate; or even sometimes boys only for one parent, and vice versa. Different combinations may make their sibling and parent relationships better. Just an idea. For example Collin and Cara seem to get along; maybe a combo like that? And something to let Alexis into the group.

TLC stinks said...

When Robert posted about another lawsuit coming, do you think he knew what Jon was planning ?

Localyocul said...

And she's have to pay child support

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I was able to prove that people that seek celebrity are trying to solve an internal problem where they feel less-than and the celebrity status pumps them up, and where the liabilities come back out is in the relationships and their parenting.


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Wow this is so true of Kate and many other celebs. Can be a grand success in the media but when it comes to caring for children and having healthy relationships they're failures. Look at Martha Stewart, Joan Crawford, so many others.

I think Kate may have shot herself in the foot with this latest stunt with the twins. The sextuplets are old enough to feel really left out from that and definitely old enough to notice she's trying to market the twins over the tups, and that can make a child feel confused and less-than. The twins are getting One Direction tickets, lavish trips to NYC..... It's perfectly naturally they would prefer Jon right now if they feel like yesterday's news. Jon should strike while the iron is hot if he ever wants to change things here.

Call Me Crazy said...

Starz22 said... 79

Why cant anyone answer me? #51 post...

Awaiting an answer...I just don't see what's so hard about Robert posting his "book" or whatever on his own website
__________________________

Hi Starz. Of course Robert could make his book available for download from his website and set up a PayPal system for people to purchase it. HOWEVER, the physical act of Robert posting his book on his website is NOT the issue. The issue preventing him from releasing the book to the public in any way is the copyright infringement action that Kate will surely take against him.

The only way he can protect himself is to remove the copied journal entries (or enough of them to pass fair use muster), paraphrase the journal entries (not really an option), or have a publisher (with a great legal team) agree to publish the book. The publisher would have to be ready to defend the publication in court, and they would probably only be willing to do that if they believed they would make a ton of money from the book. Since that probably won't happen, it is far more trouble than it is worth.

So Robert is back to square one, unless he finds an attorney who is eager to take on a fair use issue and is willing to represent him pro bono.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Admin, does the fact that Kate has violated the custody agreement help Jon's case for custody?


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Yes, very much so. A parent who wants more custody has to prove that they will honor and respect court orders when it comes to the other parent who does not have as much custody. If they can't do that, they could very well lose the privileges they have. I've seen it. She thinks the rules don't apply to her. She has been nuts to violate court orders so much, one of these days she'll violate one too many and the judge will have had enough with her, so keep pushing it lady. Most people would have a heart attack to know they violated an order made by the court of law and immediately try to make amends. She does it without a care in the world, just like parking in fire lanes and speeding and everything else. A true sociopath.

Localyocul said...

When Robert posted about another lawsuit coming, do you think he knew what Jon was planning ?

....

Ooh good catch! Didn't he say he hopes more things come out in the next lawsuit? Because she IS being sued. She will get a letter telling her she is being sued for custody.

sparkle said...

Localyocul said... 112
And she's have to pay child support
__________________________________________________________

Oh no! Goody AND Milo will be stroking out! Really, I think if Kate had to pay Jon child support, Goody would go over the edge.

Should this happen, I wonder how it would be calculated since Kate has no regular income. Would it be based on her investment income?

Localyocul said...

Not to reopen a firestorm but I guess he manned up. Ducking. Good for him

Gayle said...

So, if Jon were to get custody of the tups (or even just the boys) would TFW have to pay him child support? I really fear for the kids if in fact they've made it known that they want to live with Jon. TFW is vindictive.

I think that Robert should either write an unauthorized biography or write a novel (or pass the info to someone who can do either). In the beginning he can state that TFW copywrited the journal thereby admitting that they are her words. He could then say "by Kate's own admission..." and then paraphrase the journal. For example..."By Kate's own admission she spanked a child for having an accident during potty training because she felt that after 5 days he should have been able to "control himself" (or whatever term she used).

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Couples Therapy makes perfect sense now. Things with the twins had been going downhill and the lawsuit was the final straw. The tups have been saying they want to live with him and he'd had it at that point with Kate. I wonder if she was getting a whiff he would go for custody and so she sued the pants off him to try to bankrupt him and make him look bad. Pretty evil right? Otherwise why do that NOW when the book fiasco was done and over with ages ago? He went on CT to get some fast cash and get himself a place close to Kate, hopefully with a bedroom for the girl tups and another for the boy tups (agree, three is all he needs), and now that she's really isolated out the twins and her parental alienation has been exposed, time to strike while the iron is hot.

It really does make perfect sense. Even if it doesn't work out, he gets all the credit in the world from me for trying to do something here, trying to make it better for his little ones.

Mel said...

Some quotes from the link above. Whoever that writer is, they're almost as hysterical as admin here. Bolding is mine.

Kate Gosselin loves making ugly faces about things that bring other people happiness

Kate Gosselin appears disgusted with everything, so maybe that's how she expresses happiness?

Or maybe it's just God punishing Gosselin for being one of the planet's worst human beings

Kate Gosselin reveals the "real" Kate Gosselin: the one who will bully children when she doesn't get her way, or when she's even remotely uncomfortable.


And from one of the comments on the article:
It is now obvious she has forgotten what made her original show a success. It was not about her being a diva or glamourous, there are a lot of those, whom she evidently wants to be identified with, like Brittany or Kendra. That is not what people enjoyed about her show. Originally, what sold the show was her trying to be a good mother to that many children, <------hahahahaha, laugh snort, good mother?????? TFW???? hahahahaha So NOT!

terri said...

I hope if this is true about Jon seeking custody that the judge in the case finally issues a gag order not to discuss ANY aspects of the case. That would certainly put the brakes on Kate doing her usual feel sorry for me media tour.

OrangeCrusher1 said...

The really sad thing though is this is just going to create division and bad blood between the tups and the twins, not that I don't think that's not happening anyway. That is tragic. A sibling is a special thing and it is a real shame that it's become so bitter between them.
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I think a lot of the damage has been done. The biotch admits to never bonding with the six she had for fame and fortune. The twins are very aware of being bounced to the side of the road after the birth of the sextuplets, they were only 3, and then losing the contact that they remember with grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins. They remember the focus of the film crews on the cute babies. And since the divorce, with their mother seeking to be bff's and alienating them from their father, the division is even deeper. The damage has been done.

And what does TFW know, or care, about the bonds that siblings have. She has little or no contact with hers. Frankly, the tups, boys especially, would be better off living with their much warmer and caring father. Big houses, cold big houses, are not all that and a day.

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop taking amphetamines.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

That is not what people enjoyed about her show. Originally, what sold the show was her trying to be a good mother to that many children,

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Nah. The cute babies were what made you pause on that channel but what HOOKED you was the dynamic between Kate and Jon. Hands down. And she resents Jon for that too, because deep in her heart of hearts he knows he had such a huge role in the success they are. She wants to swifter him from the narrative but she knows he was so crucial to the success and that ticks her off.

And yes she could have to pay Jon support if he has the kids a large percentage of the time. Karma. She sure is a bitch. I cannot even imagine the sheeple if SHE has to exercise her visitation rights with her children. Every time they dissed Jon for that? It's going to come back to haunt them. Haunting is the theme this week I guess!

PatK said...

Nothing yet from ROL.

In 3,2,1...

localyocul said...

TLC stinks said... 109
With Mady's hateful comments on TV about the tups, it gives, I think more ammunition for Jon. I've always thought that Kate favored the twins since the tups were no longer babies. I think she will really pressure Mady now.

((((((((((

I'm sure he's been gathering his evidence. Not only did M do that, THere is video evidence of Khate ENCOURAGING it not once but twice! Speak! Now's your chance! You've been waiting your whole life to say this! AND she tweeted a pic showing that she had the six all ready to watch M say that. Despicable. This is all evidence.

Jane said...

LOL Tweet- le. Here we go again ! Nice to see you

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I know we talk a lot about how it's awful that their relationship with their father is being damaged. But I don't think it's emphasized enough how awful it is now she is trying to damage their relationship with their siblings.

It's hard to think about because they're so young, but the reality is the kids will be 30, 40, 50-something someday. And Jon and Kate will be long gone at some point during that time. Everyone's parents pass away at some point, that is part of life.

And after that, all they will have is EACH OTHER. They will be the only eight people in the world who truly understand what they've been through together. And it is TRAGIC, just TRAGIC, if their relationships among each other is as damaged as it is being set up to be. At least the Dionne girls could cling to each other. It's obvious they feel like no one else really understands, and I think that's a fair assessment.

FYI said...

Although I agree that Jon trying to get custody of the tups may be a good thing, I don't think he should be going to a tabloid to discuss it.

From the In Touch article online:

"“First, I’m going to file for an emergency petition for contempt ... The next step is to fight for custody,” says Jon, who adds that he will file as soon as he saves enough money for lawyers and paperwork fees. “It’s the only way I can protect the younger six.”

http://www.intouchweekly.com/stars/news/jon-gosselin-plans-to-fight-for-custody-of-his-sextuplets

Why can't either parent keep anything private? My goodness, it feels like we've all entered a time warp and it's 2009 all over again.

JR said...

Have a question....If he is trying to get custody...do the tups get to voice who they want to live with and does that carry any weight?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I just confirmed with my source this is true.

The answer, a resounding "yes." He's going for custody. Good luck Jon.

Dmasy said...

She has torn down her life brick by brick, stone by stone.

Each time she had a decision to make for the well being of her family, she seems to have chosen the wrong option.

I don't know if she will ever have the insight to realize what a disaster she has created.

So wasteful. So destructive.

She is hellion, fueled by fury. Jon will be scalded by her vengefulness.

Paula said...

Good luck Jon! We're praying for you and those children.

sparkle said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 120

It really does make perfect sense. Even if it doesn't work out, he gets all the credit in the world from me for trying to do something here, trying to make it better for his little ones.
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I used the link to the new InTouch cover. Kate looks positively scary (no photoshop there!)

Looking at the faces of the tups.... they are just precious. I really hope there can be some positive intervention for them. At the end of the day, it is a miracle that they were all born healthy and with no lingering mental or physical effects from their HOM birth. They should be nurtured and encouraged to be whatever they want to be, the future is theirs for the taking.

JR said...

YEAH JON...Finally SHES the one getting sued...Karmas a beautiful thing!!

Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said...

Thanks, Jane.

Did some catch up reading early this am. I want to thank all you nice people who wished me well on the post back a few. Such nice sediments. :) And, look, the Gosselin machine has pulled me back. UGH!

JR said...

Also had a question about how long it would take this case to get to court?

Paula said...

What happens to Cara and Mady when Kate realizes they are not HER path to a new show?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I imagine Jon has feelings and it hurts him to hear about people saying he needs to man up and do something about this situation when he IS doing something. Men don't take insults to their fatherhood or manhood as well as women do to their womanhood. It is WHO THEY ARE.

We can't have it both ways. We can't trash him for "not doing anything" and then turn around and be upset when he makes a statement to the press explaining, excuse me I DO care about my children and I AM trying to stop this and I AM doing something for your information.

Even if this doesn't work out, I think more importantly this is something he needs to do so that someday 15 years from now when the kids are getting therapy at least they can say "our dad tried." Kate is probably already coaching the six against this move of his.

Terri said...

Is it possible that Kate knew somehow that Jon was considering taking her to court for custody and that's why the People article and the interviews about how wonderful everything is at home. Just seems like that all came out of the blue, or was it just because Jon was on CT and she just had to one-up him.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Ugh I wish both of the Gosselin parents would STFU and go away and let the kids be in peace.

Katykat said...

OMG...she will truly be seen World Wide as the Worst Mother In the World if she is forced to give up custody of the younger kids and continues to pursue fame and fortune w/ the twins.

JMO said...

I truly hope Jon does pursue custody of the tups, and possibly Cara, because this wreckless mother- ME,ME, ME, Film my kids, etc... is old. It has gotten to the point now that, if he is a good father to the kids, leaves them out of filming, and can support them, go for it!!
I think Jon would actually do this. As long as he does not get too full of himself,and use the kids, like TFW. Jon is erratic and will need to get some real counseling if he takes this on. No shame, but everything to gain.

Lalalalala said...

The twins behavior on the Today Show and The View makes a lot more sense now. My heart just aches for all the Gosselin kids.

White Organza said...

"When Robert posted about another lawsuit coming, do you think he knew what Jon was planning ?" (111)

I don't know, but I can't help wondering if Robert's relentless provocations toward TFW weren't to push her to get that copyright on her diaries. And she did. And now that she more or less admits that she did abuse those babies, Jon has a very strong case.

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