The lesbians play detective about Teen Duck Lips, growing increasingly suspicious her accidental unexpected unplanned "oops" sex tape was no mistake at all. They think it might actually have been produced. The lesbians crack me up. They are as serious as Jessica Chastain in Zero Dark Thirty, getting to the bottom of this.
There they are laptop out horrifying video keyed up, ready to solve some equations, calculate sunrises and sunsets and wind speeds, memorize some blueprints inch by inch and eventually save first-world civilization from Teen Duck Lips's evil reign. I for one salute them as true American heroes.
Coming up, Liz thinks Jon was masturbating, and Jon says um, what? I wasn't doing any such thing.
Liz, come on.
My bad mood is lifted immediately when I see Dr. Jenn has Teen Duck Lips talking about Debra! Yes! If they won't physically bring Debra on this show (please pretty please?), at least we should be able to talk about her. If you don't know the joy that is Teen Duck Lips's gestational carrier Debra Danielson, you need to marathon watch Teen Mom. She's remarkably well put together for such a nut. She even apparently is quite successful in the real estate business.
She looks a little like she could be Farrah Fawcett's sister, even styles her hair like her sometimes, but she's Howard Hughes crazy, maybe crazier.
Unfortunately that fantastic series was part of the big swiffer Netflix did on January 1 and is now gone from our streaming queues along with Braveheart, Mr. Bean, and a bunch of other great stuff (B.S., Netflix! What will I do without my Scotts, my Brits, and my dysfunctional Iowans?), but I'm sure you can find it somewhere. It's worth blowing a whole weekend to watch, I promise.
Credits roll, and then the lesbians rat out Teen Duck Lips to Duck Lips and her douchebag fiancé who's always too hot, letting them know the "sex tape" is actually produced pornography. Oh, it's totally backdoor, too, they say.
Backdoor? I'll have to consult Urban Dictionary again for that, stand by ...... Oh, my word.
Well, that's "entrepreneurial" of her, says Duck Lips. Ha, good one, Duck Lips!
One of the lesbians explains look have I done sexual things on T.V.? Yes I have, and I will not stand in judgment of others doing that, too. My issue is that she lied to me about it. Just don't lie, that's not too much to ask. I really like these girls. They're just so rational and full of common sense, and it's refreshing.
They go in for group therapy. Is this all the same day as last episode? Jon and Liz are still wearing the same clothes and it's still dark out. That must have been some marathon night of filming, but as long as it's consenting adults, who cares?
Kelsey is upset that Wu-Tang has cheated on her in the past. He did? What right does he have then to judge her for being an ex-prostitute? Unclean hands! Good grief.
Wu-Tang sits there having a lightbulb moment for awhile, and for a second I think maybe he's going to tell Kelsey he's so sorry for being such a hypocritical tool, she's a great girlfriend and he loves her. But instead Wu-Tang is finally like, hold up, am I being cast as the "bad guy" in all this? Heh, it's like it just hit him how this is all going to be spun on our T.V. screens. Yes, Wu-Tang, you are indeed the bad guy. Too late. Not much progress made there, so Dr. Jenn switches to the lesbians.
Their biggest issue really is not being ready to settle down and one of them doesn't like to hug much. Seems kinda trite sitting among the likes of Duck Lips and Teen Duck Lips. Come back when you have real problems, you're not ready for prime time yet. Liz says she relates to that, since she needs her space sometimes. She sure makes Jon sound overbearing. Jon says sure he likes that closeness because his marriage didn't have a lot of affection and was more like a business transaction. That was one lucrative business transaction! This month, for the first time Jon publicly called Kate a narcissist, after she put the twins on T.V. on Today and they choked. I wonder if Jon has read about how narcissists withhold affection. Sounds like exactly what happened to him.
Is this a reality show or a press release? Jon says it's not true that he had affairs which ended the marriage. You see, the marriage actually ended because of post it notes. Wow, never knew that. I assume he must have been so smothered by Kate's to do lists he had to end it or suffocate.
Jon had a girlfriend when he met Liz, and when they took a break recently he slept with other women and even moved someone in. I guess I should be shocked, but I'm too distracted by the fact that Liz referred to her boyfriend during the split as "a dude." Yeah, she's totally that girl. The lesbians are literally covering their eyes, LOL!
I can't help but like Dr. Jenn, whose hair today is so straight it could be pick up sticks, because I think she understands this situation to an impressive degree, and is saying things that Jon desperately needs to hear. The doc says Jon is still rebelling against Kate (it's TFW, Dr. Jenn, but no matter) with Liz.
Duck Lips's fiancé, who if I didn't mention is Duck Lips's lawyer, also sometimes has trust issues because he gets jealous when Duck Lips talks to her fans. I keep picturing this couple like Joan Crawford and her boyfriend Greg Savitt (also her lawyer) in Mommie Dearest, where she tells him "You expect me to ignore my fans? They're life and death to me, baby! They're the ones who really made me!" And Greg says, "I expect you to walk in with me and sit down at your table with me!"
For some reason Duck Lips's troubles are deeply upsetting to Teen Duck Lips, who is in silent tears again over by her lonesome on the couch. She's even clutching a tissue for maximum effect. Teen Duck Lips uses props when she fake cries, she is really dedicated to this craft.
There goes those vocal chords again. Teen Duck Lips is upset about her sex tape. The lesbians are looking at her like, "Uh-huh .... Go on." Heh. She goes on. The lesbians finally can't help themselves, they're like, So, about this so-called sex tape, Teen Duck Lips. Ha, the lesbians are cracking up now. They can't keep it together anymore.
Oh dear, when even Duck Lips is resting her forehead on her hand in dismay you know it's going to be good. The lesbians calmly confront Teen Duck Lips, skillfully trapping Teen Duck Lips in a lie when she accidentally admits there was a camera person. Not that this actually took a lot of skill at all, they just basically let her talk and the lies spewed forth.
We're not judging you, we're not judging, they assure Teen Duck Lips. No, they're just having fun. That's not judgment. That's just a good time. Dr. Jenn interjects to make a useless comment that it's good Teen Duck Lips is talking about this. Good for our entertainment she must mean.
In a wide angle shot of the couples, you can catch Liz just quietly rubbing Jon's knee, almost subconsciously. Like when you're watching a movie and find yourself playing with your man's hair without realizing it. We never saw TFW make such a gentle gesture toward him and it's strangely kind of touching because clearly he is craving something tangible like that. I believe them that they love each other, I think they both just have a great deal of issues that need to be worked out first and they probably both would benefit from being truly single for awhile. No dating at all. Heck, a year from now they could get back together and be a completely different, and much healthier couple.
Coming up! Jon and Liz are a little behind about what the big deal is about this so-called sex tape, but don't worry Kelsey happily fills them in. Teen Duck Lips feels left out from the group, and trust her she can tell when she's being excluded. Is that because it happens to her all the time?
I can't wait to see Labor Day. I think Kate Winslett has emerged as one of the greatest actresses of her generation. Way better than jokes like Goopy here. Thank goodness Winslett didn't jump off that ship back in 1997.
We're back. Day 6, 12:21 p.m. Ha, this really is starting to feel like Zero Dark Thirty.
Kelsey is apologizing to Wu-Tang? What the...
Wu-Tang can't even bring himself to roll out of bed for her. Rather he acknowledges this heart to heart with a fist bump. Free Kelsey.
Over lunch, Kelsey tells Jon and Liz about sex tape gate, and their reaction is pretty much the same as everybody else's in the house. Yep, sounds like full on porn to us. Jon says just own up to it, sheesh, even Kim Kardashian owned up to hers. I just love how all the housemates love to rub it in that Teen Duck Lips is nothing more than a poor man's Kim Kardashian. Somehow it's just so insulting and clearly drives Teen Duck Lips crazy.
You know I haven't seen this sex tape, but I'll take Catelynn's word that Farrah sounds like a dying horse in it (ha-ha!). I can just see Cate and her sweet boyfriend Tyler pulling this up on their laptop and busting an absolute gut laughing. Teen Mom's Catelynn and Tyler have always been rather mature and trustworthy. Of all the teen parents equipped to raise a child, they were it. And yet they were the ones who gave their kid up for adoption, go figure. (By the way when Catelynn made that comment, Teen Duck Lips accused her of being jealous. Sound familiar?)
To settle any further debate about Jon and Liz's wardrobe, it looks like yesterday they were indeed just wearing frumpy airplane clothes. This afternoon, Jon has on a clean starched Navy polo, undershirt, and nice jeans, and Liz is wearing a conservative black shirt and pressed skirt. They look completely appropriate and professional. Which is kind of funny for a show as salacious as this.
Predictably, that awkward moment arrives where someone you've just been talking about walks into the room. Teen Duck Lips sashays in with her chopped salad, her usual unsettling lack of eye contact, and leaves as quickly as she arrived.
Aw, Teen Duck Lips. Everyone is having fun out by the fire and Teen Duck Lips is inside by herself being left out. Poor thing. "These people" don't include her, she would never be friends with "these people," she tells a counselor.
Oh, Teen Duck Lips. For starters, you might stop addressing them as "these people" if you're serious about being included. She makes them sound so proletariat.
Aw, Teen Duck Lips has no friends because she's a sociopath and no one likes her, not even other sociopaths like Duck Lips. Wow, that's embarrassing. Usually most deviants can at least find a few friends in other similar deviants. Not Teen Duck Lips. This is all very boring, so while I wait for this sequence to be over I browse Urban Dictionary. I really want to know what Wu-Tang meant by meeting Kelsey on his grind, and I have an idea. Instead of searching for just "grind" I'm going to search for "on my grind."
Bingo, here it is! And now I know. Thanks, Urban Dictionary.
Coming up, finally we get to talk about Debra.
We're back, and Teen Duck Lips goes into a one-on-one session with Dr. Jenn. Dr. Jenn says at this point it's obvious Teen Duck Lips's boyfriend is not gonna show up. Ha, ya think? Teen Duck Lips whines that the housemates don't like her. I swear Dr. Jenn's eyes are drooping, she seems as bored with this as I am. That or the fake eyelashes make her eyes look half closed.
Most of Teen Duck Lips's boyfriends last five to six months. Sounds like it must take just about five or six months to get a complete picture of the depths of her insanity and hightail it out of there.
Dr. Jenn says the problem here is Teen Duck Lips doesn't have enough compassion for herself. For herself? No, that can't be. I skip back and listen to it again. Yes, for herself. Dr. Jenn! Teen Duck Lips has no compassion for others. This is why she is a sociopath. I'm no psychologist, but way off base!
Teen Duck Lips judges herself too much. And three, two, one the vocal chords are gone. I can feel like this is about to take a long-awaited turn to her Mommy issues; I'm on the edge of my seat. And here it is: "whose voice is that in your head, where'd you learn that, who taught you that?" Dr. Jenn asks.
Oh, me, me. Can I answer?! This woman's voice?
Ding, ding, ding. Correct. Debra Danielson allegedly called Teen Duck Lips names, didn't love Teen Duck Lips, and tried to manipulate her out of her money. Now, Debra is no picnic no question, but I'm pretty sure she would have a different perspective on the situation. Debra owns more than one home and is a successful businesswoman, she really doesn't need Teen Duck Lips's thousands. I also don't believe she doesn't love her, though I do think she is too impatient and has a hard time expressing her love appropriately. As for the name calling, well, maybe she just didn't know what to do with a sociopathic child who went off and got herself pregnant at 16. I wonder if she felt like the mother in We Need to Talk about Kevin, who noticed something was wrong with her sociopath son from almost the moment he was born, but never really knew how to handle it. Who would? And the way Teen Duck Lips verbally abused her mother while her mother just took it, was outrageous--it's all on film. I think Teen Duck Lips is pretty much saying they're estranged now. Big surprise there. So many of Teen Duck Lips's issues remind me of TFW's issues, and I also have my strong suspicions that Kate's version of her parents may not be reality. Maybe they were just as frustrated with their narcissistic child as Debra is. Any parent trying to raise someone like this must feel like they can't do anything right, and the thing is, sometimes for people like Teen Duck Lips that's probably true. Shout out to Dmasy on this blog who recommended We Need to Talk about Kevin, and to all the other great literary and film recommendations over the years from the folks here.
I love how loosely tied this all is to the original concept of the show, "couples" therapy. This is more like, "why you can't find yourself in a couple to begin with" therapy. But since Teen Duck Lips is just so darn addicting, the producers are rolling with it. Oh noes, Debra nagged Teen Duck Lips too. Dr. Jenn just cocks her head to the side at that, like pups do.
"You know we're going to need to bring them in here at some point" to resolve this, Dr. Jenn says.
Commercials. I really cannot wait to see Dr. Jenn psychoanalyze the Abrahams all in the same room. This is like I'm eight years old waiting for Christmas morning and it just feels like it will never get here, the anticipation is that great. I hope she comes out on Debra's side.
It's the birthday of one of the lesbians, so they throw a party with a bunch of their friends from the outside. They've even got some people dressed up as mermaids for the pool, which is fun. Teen Duck Lips says she's actually having a good time. I think Teen Duck Lips doesn't have a clue why a statement like that is offensive and certainly obnoxious, and that that attitude is probably why no one likes her. On the remote chance she ever cruises by here, I'll spell it out for her. Saying you are surprised to be having fun implies that you did not expect you could have a good time with the people you are with. And that is mean and hurts those people's feelings. There. I kind of feel like the experts are right, it's probably true that you can't change a narcissist. No amount of explaining over the years seems to help Teen Duck Lips understand, or for that matter TFW. I almost wonder if the only possible way to change them is to have them memorize what is appropriate to say and what is not, like you would middle school flash cards. They wouldn't understand why something is the way it is but they may be able to memorize not to do it.
The lesbians really have buckets and buckets of friends, and they all seem to really love them. That says a lot about the lesbians. You don't need to necessarily have a lot of friends to prove you're a good person, but the friends you have do need to be sincere, and these people were very sincere tonight. In some ways I feel sad for the Duck Lips girls because I doubt they know or understand anything like this.
Later that night, the other lesbian is upset because the birthday girl was flirting with Wu-Tang. Because she laughed and gave him a hug? And Wu-Tang, really? He's such an ogre and is mean to Kelsey. This feels so fake. Just as I predicted the birthday girl is like oh my God even if I were straight I wouldn't be attracted to him! Haha. I really don't believe any of this.
Day 7, and the lesbians quickly make up from their fake fight and are back to being normal and likable. Speaking of suspending disbelief, here goes. Jon is in bed, and Liz walks in and thinks he's masturbating. Jon says he was just scratching. Since they don't really show much, much less anyone masturbating, it's kind of pointless to debate what really happened. What is obvious is this is a heavily edited scene with more than the usual cuts, splices and dialogue occurring off camera. Something doesn't add up. Um, no pun intended.
Later in the day, Jon explains that he was hurt and embarrassed that Liz didn't believe him, and withdrew from her.
This is the moment where I stopped liking Liz, when before I felt like, even though she's rough around the edges, Jon needed someone like her to call him out. But I meant call him out on the big things, not on silliness like this. Liz is way over the top strung out about this. Has she known a man before? Any man. Or boy. Or anyone with a Mr. Happy, who apparently, according to that sex, always wants you to come out and play, worse than even the most annoying kid on the block growing up. Liz even admits she's withholding sex from him. So, it's okay for her to withhold sex from him, but not okay for him to relieve some tension from that in a perfectly normal and harmless way? Would she rather he have affairs? She can't be pleased. Now Liz is cackling and making fun of him, and Jon really looks crushed. What a jerk she is being, what the heck?
Liz claims Jon is being victim and needs to man up. Jon's eye contact and deep hurt make me think he is telling the truth about this, that he wasn't masturbating. Telling the truth is not being a victim, and I don't see what manning up has to do with anything.
Jon says when Liz laughs at him and walks away it reminds him of how his marriage was. Oh, dear, that's sad. But not surprising. The extent of Kate Gosselin's humor is picking on others. She is a bully of the worst kind, and I don't know how he could have missed that before he put a ring on it. It is shocking the way Jon has found himself in yet another relationship where he is so deeply disrespected. No one should have to endure being cackled at except Disney princesses.
Next time, thank goodness Dr. Jenn gets it and is accusing Liz of shaming and emasculating Jon. Exactly. Now Wu-Tang wants a threesome? Oh good grief, this guy. Kelsey finally snaps and throws juice in his face, cheers!!!
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Re the Daily Mail article. I'm glad to see someone from Kate's family coming forward and saying that they continue to try and reach out to her.
While it may, at the moment, be to no avail, at least it's some evidence for the kids that they were not merely abandoned by their extended family.
Those kids are going to have enough issues trying to discern the difference between the reality of their childhoods and Kate's version of events. The more proof that exists showing that people tried to intervene on their behalf the better for them in the long run.
I have a hard time believing that even her most ardent fans will be able to spin this as Kate's family looking for a payout. There is nothing in that article that would suggest such a thing.
The concern and heart break of Kate's family appears completely genuine and I can't help feel for them.
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angie not in blue said...(154)
"Why hasn't Jon allowed the family to see the kids? that doesn't make sense."
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Actually, knowing what we do about Kate, I think Jon is perhaps just lucky to get the kids at all. As it is, the situation could hardly be any more contentious.
I think it's totally understandable that he might want to avoid making further waves by interfering with Kate's family issues. In an ironic twist, it could be seen as parental alienation to go behind her back and set up visits with her family.
I'm not saying it's right or wrong but divorce is messy, messy business and affects way more than just the immediate family.
The "celebrity" circumstances notwithstanding, the situation is not really atypical of a divorcing couple with kids and a large extended family.
All I'm saying is that I don't think it's as simple as saying Jon should just get the kids together with his ex in-laws.
As always, just my opinion.
Jumping In said... 186
I also wonder why Jon hasn't reached out to Kate's family members to ensure they know their aunts, uncles and cousins.
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Maybe he did try but then again that's Kate's side of the family so it's her job to do it.
Greedy Gosselins said... 199
Jon has 5 girls, and what does this tell them?
Will the boys view women as easy and not to be honored?
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Tucker's mom, it's crazy isn't it?
Disgusting behaviour on Jon's part.
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He needs to not be such a horn dog. But hell if he hasn't seen the twins or Collin in a long time then how is it affecting them.
Did anyone see Sister Wives last night? Could Christine and Kody be any more dumber than a big pile of manure about how they handled that precious little girl, Truly when she got so bad sick that she very easily could have died???
She was sick with the flu the dr. said and this went on for five days. She got dehydrated so bad that on the 5th night her eyes started crossing together. The older sister that was taking care of her never mentioned it to Christina the mother. This little girl Truly is 3 years old! The next day, the older sis told Christine that her eyes were crossing and Christine seemed to think that wasn't that bad. It took her hours for Truly laying on the couch, lethargic and no energy and then finally taking her to the dr. She called the dr. and just happened to mention crossing of her eyes.
He told her to go to the ER, NOW! So, she took her, Kody was at Robins, no surprise there and he was taking a nap during the day. The man doesn't work, just like TFW. Robin told him and then he got up, but someone said he took a nap.
She went into Acute Renal Failure. They tried everything. Meds weren't working, dialysis wasn't working. I was bawling my eyes out. She looked really bad. Meri, Robin and Janelle wasn't really upset about it either. I think that well, now Christine will get Kody quality time instead of with me and my kids. Believe me this is how messed up this family is. Meri and Mariah especially ticked me off. Mariah and Meri were on their way to Utah so Mariah could go to a expensive private college, Westminister? They were severely ticked off that Kody chose to stay with Christine and Truly. M and M are both spoiled entitled get my wet bar at all costs narcissists.
They say on Sister Wives without pity that Mariah is going to college just to get a MRS degree. I finally found out what that was. She is going to college only to find a husband. She is like TFW. Hateful, spiteful, narcissist, bad attitude. Who would put up with that?
I think she was in the hospital for about 3 weeks. They finally had to do an abdominal dialysis for 24 hours to kick start her kidneys back. So scary for that baby! I could just start over crying just thinking about it because I am on dialysis.
Tucker's mom, it's crazy isn't it?
Disgusting behaviour on Jon's part.
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I think children are game changers. No, he doesn't have to become celibate by any means, but this very public airing of all the women he's bedded concerns me.
Date, have sex, have lots of sex. But keep it private. Don't bring women into your home so that you've got a warm body in your bed.
It's confusing to children. Instead of witnessing a stable, committed relationship, the children are witnessing divorce, cavorting with a married man and lots of sleeping around.
This is just not a good thing for children to witness and model after.
I'd love to ask Jon what he'd think of men wantonly sleeping with his daughter, and his daughters offering up their bodies, the most private, precious and spiritual thing one has, for one night stands.
What father can fathom that?
Millicent said... 91
What do you guys think? This isn't acceptable behaviour, is it? I don't like that Kate flirted with a married man and I hold her accountable but shouldn't we hold Jon accountable??
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Here is the difference between the two scenarios you outlined:
1. TFW and Steve traveled together and were in close contact while TFW and Jon were still married to each other. It was inappropriate because Kate was married to Jon, while Steve was (and still is) married to Gina.
2. Jon may be serial dating women, but he is a single man, so as long as he dates single women - it's perfectly fine. I'm not a fan of dating a string of people, one right after the other - but so what? He is not married, he supposedly dated several women during a point when he and Liz had "taken a break" and agreed it would be okay to see other people - so no harm, no foul.
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Jon is not just a serial dater, he is a serial cheater. He had a girlfriend when he met Kate. He cheated on Ellen with Liz. It is unclear whether he cheated on Liz.
As for claiming that Kate's behavior is worse, sorry, but the appearance of impropriety (there is zero evidence that there actually was anything going on between Kate and Steve) is not worse than actual cheating.
I find it sad that not sleeping around is 'antiquated'. How sad. Not only that, it's dangerous to your health.
I hope my kids aren't sleeping with someone on the 'third' date.
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I agree with you that is sad. What I find sadder is criticizing and posing judgement on others for their faults, and as some will say sins, brings judgement of the same to those judging. It would be sad to learn that your kids did have sex on the third date if you still hold someone else's choice so lacking of compassion and forgiveness. Is that how you would hold them? I hope not. Often we have to take the beam out of our own eye to see clear enough to remove the mote out of our neighbors.
I'm starting to believe that this is not really about Jon as much as it is just wanting to argue about it. Am I correct? Your comments about Jon are to harsh to believe you really care about what he is doing.
Carole said... 95
I can't fathom moving someone in with you that you've known a week or two. Especially when you have 8 young kids coming in and out of the house.
And then that person moves back out when he re-connects with Liz.
Far too much chaos to inflict on your children, who already have a chaotic life due to the divorce and their nut case mother.
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But Jon dragging his kids in to flavor of the week, or "in between" girlfriends in the house while the kids are there shows no growth on his part either.
I agree, but depending on the visitation schedule, timing, etc, it's very possible the kids never knew about, let alone met or spent any time with Liz's temp replacement. Jon definitely seems to have some serious dependency issues but I'd hope he has more respect for his kids than to introduce them to someone he's known for such a short period of time.
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So ideally he moved a new woman in and out of his home during the two week period in between weekends with his children? If he respects his children so much, he can show it by not having a revolving door for the women in his life.
I still think the former friend is Beth. In the DM article, the friend says "I lived nearby and when the sextuplets were born I went round and volunteered to babysit. We became very close."
In an article in the Reading Eagle, published in 2008, shortly after Multiple Blessings was released, it says "Carson's love of children and desire to want to help out a neighbor led her to the Gosselins just a couple of weeks after their sextuplets arrived home from the hospital.
"I didn't know Kate at all, I just knocked on their door," said Carson, who had read in the newspaper that the babies were born."
Perhaps, Beth got tired of hearing Kate call herself the author of 4 books, when in actuality Beth authored MB.
I'm sure the fiasco of Kate using the twins to promote herself, has not only her family upset, but also former friends who saw what those kids had to endure, and they probably think now that enough is enough and feel a need to speak out.
So where are all the sheeple on twitter? Are they now going to go into attack mode against Kendra, like they did with Jodi and Kevin?
Or are they going to think that there may just be some truth to the story and just not say anything?
But hell if he hasn't seen the twins or Collin in a long time then how is it affecting them.
That's my question. Some people are taking this Jon having "sex" to some wild extremes.
I see the sheeple got out of the pen again.....Mary P. you are spouting facts that in evidence. You are using your own views and opinions as fact.
The fact that you don't anything with Kate traveling around with a married man, DESPITE the fact that Jon was troubled by this fact is very telling.
Jumping In said... 186
''I also wonder why Jon hasn't reached out to Kate's family members to ensure they know their aunts, uncles and cousins.''
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Maybe Jon has, and WOS got all mashed out of shape. Maybe Jon picked his battles. For the last year, Jon has had to fight to see his children, and that requires all his energy?
Wow, it must be pretty bad for Kate's sister to finally come out and speak publicly. Things must be rough. I, too, would hope Jon would have reached out and allowed her family to see the kids during his visitation time, but it may be a clause written into their divorce agreement that he can't.
As for Steve, I don't think he's completely out of the picture. It could be a case of he helps her when his free time allows but if he has been hired for a job (remember, he's still working for TLC), then she's on her own. It's rather sad, considering how dependent she was on him and I have to believe he encouraged that, but then again I guess it would be just desserts for her. given how she's treated other people in her life.
Paula said... 11
''That's my question. Some people are taking this Jon having "sex" to some wild extremes.''
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Amen! Then again, I believe that the ones that don't like Jon are taking advantage of the chance to bash him, cloaking themselves in 'moral values'.
I'm starting to believe that this is not really about Jon as much as it is just wanting to argue about it. Am I correct? Your comments about Jon are to harsh to believe you really care about what he is doing.
January 27, 2014 at 4:17 PM
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I used to post here all the time, under another name.
I am not trying to argue. It's just that my opinion is in the minority. Thus the dog-piling.
Goodbye.
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WOW! That article with Kate's sister is explosive! But, I'm not too surprised by it, and I don't think too many here are surprised by it either.
It is sad!
One question, if Kate does not let the kids see her family, why, does Jon not take the kids to see them? Or is this part of the custody agreement? Admin?
Kate on quiet mood again!
Bitzer Law Firm @BitzerLawFirm 1h
Kate Gosselin to defend child custody suit raised by Jon Gosselin http://bit.ly/1cnbhSy
Who is this? A law firm in Illinois, with practice areas in child custody is Kate's newest attorney?
I hope parents these days aren't naive enough to think that kids AREN'T doing this.
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angie said, "feel better for insulting my parenting skills and my relationship with my kids?
and why was that comment necessary?"
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I don't feel better or worse because it was a general statement. It was not directed at you. I quoted your post because you brought it up. Neither you nor your parenting skills were mentioned. I think that some parents would be shocked to know what kids are doing in today's world. Sleeping with someone after a few dates is as common now as "making out" was when we were teens. Things have changed...not that parents condone it or think it's morally right, but on the dating scene it's a far different world than it was years ago.
Based on the recap... Can we get the lesbians to interview TFW? Sounds like maybe they could get the truth out of her. (If she even knows the truth anymore.)
Or are they going to think that there may just be some truth to the story and just not say anything?
Nope, they're just going to put it all down to jealousy. That's the fall back position, isn't it?
Kate and Steve) is not worse than actual cheating.
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Didn't Kate have a man as well when she met Jon? and did her ex-boy say she cheated on him.
IF K&S had an affair during their marriage then she's bad as well. If that affair kept on after K&J div then Kate is still bad.
But then again who care we're not in a relationship with either Jon or Kate they arent cheating on us or with us soo.
If Steve is actually out of the picture, perhaps that explains TFW's behavior with the twins on live TV? We all know the "bodyguard" was more of a "handler." I never saw that special with him calming TFW down in the limo, but it sounded like he was the only human being permitted to give her any sort of counsel. If he's gone, and with no other friends in the picture (I don't count anyone on the payroll), then perhaps she's running amok. And with her behavior unchecked, she's bound to cause more trouble before all is said and done.
That's my question. Some people are taking this Jon having "sex" to some wild extremes.
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Yupe.
People are acting as if Jon cheated on them or with them.
Well, if this article is true, then Kate lied about being in contact with one of her sisters, I think it is the one who lives out of state in maybe Ohio? This was either a rumor or some truth by a close friend had said many times over the years. But Kate did cut off the rest. Foolish woman, all for fame & fortune & greed. Was it worth it Kate?
As for claiming that Kate's behavior is worse, sorry, but the appearance of impropriety (there is zero evidence that there actually was anything going on between Kate and Steve) is not worse than actual cheating.
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But here's the thing. Whether or not Steve and Kate were intimately involved, is it appropriate for two people who are married to other people to be traveling together, putting themselves out there for rumors to fly? Jon apparently didn't like what was happening and expressed concern about it, but Kate did as Kate wanted to do, not caring about his feelings or the stories that were surfacing. I wonder how Jon felt about this...reading the headlines about his wife and the handsome bodyguard. At that point, whether hanky panky was going on or not, out of respect for her husband she should have hired another "bodyguard." Heaven knows someone would have been available.
Re the article in the Daily Mail - I have to wonder if TFW's sister and friend were ever required to sign a confidentiality agreement.
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FlimsyFlamsy said... 22
If Steve is actually out of the picture, perhaps that explains TFW's behavior with the twins on live TV?
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And no mention of Steve backstage then a photo of him in a nice family photo pops up makes you go hmm?
If this is true why would Kate hire-(or grift) a lawyer in another state?
http://www.bitzerlawfirm.com/blog/2014/01/kate-gosselin-to-defend-child-custody-suit-raised-by-jon-gosselin.shtml
There is no normal relationship behavior being exhibited to the kids on Jon's custodial time. It's just one big cluster f%^&.
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How does anyone here know what kind of behavior Jon exhibits on his custodial time? Criticizing him for something that may not even be happening is very unfair and harsh. It's what the sheeple do -- set themselves up as judge and executioner without knowing any facts or having any proof.
It's what the sheeple do -- set themselves up as judge and executioner without knowing any facts or having any proof.
Yep....they take one fact and create all sorts of storylines that fit their "Jon must be destroyed at all costs" storylines.
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''....I am not trying to argue. It's just that my opinion is in the minority. Thus the dog-piling.''
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You voiced your opinion. There is one of you. There are many of us, who also voiced our opinion. That is NOT ''dog-piling''
Been gone for a couple of day, so have lots to check up on. But I need to say this after I posted that Liz was such a naturally beautiful woman. After reading this last re-cap(I do not get this channel) I just have to say that I have changed that opinion. You can't be that beautiful on the outside, when you talk/act so damn ugly on the outside. And that is some ugly on her outside, her behaviour to Jon. She is not 'the one'. I totally get how lonely Jon gets on his own, without a partner, because I am exactly the same way. My husband and I seperated, and I could not go a month before I was so lonely without a man. I did find an awesome guy, who treated me the way a man should treat a woman, but I could not be in a relationship that normal. My 'normal' was abnormal. I ended up going back to my husband, because my daughters begged me to. I could not ignore their wishes, they wanted us to be together again. We are still together today, even though he does not treat me the way he should. But I have a roof over my head, and food in my belly, and we somehow have made it work. Maybe it is too easy to get a divorce these days, instead of trying hard to make it work. I do get Jon's loneliness, but I do agree with the ones who say Liz is not for him.
Angie in Blue -- nobody insulted your parenting skills, but yet you've unmercifully insulted Jon's by making judgment calls on him for the women with whom he may or may not have been involved. It seems like you are here for an argument or to get things stirred up on this blog.
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If someone is having affairs that's really between the husband and wife.
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One of my good friends and her husband were "swingers". They joined websites where you can search for hotels or bars that have events you can go to and meet other couples to hook up with.
They have two sons, and one of them, who was probably 15 or 16 at the time,went to use the computer and found some of the information. Not sure if dad didn't log off, or didn't delete his browsing history, but regardless, he found out about it and he was devastated. He was so scared his parents were going to get divorced, couldn't understand how they could claim to love each other but still want to have sex with other people.
The whole family ended up in counseling and my friend and her husband no longer dally in that little hobby. It was a huge wake up call for them.
So unless you don't have children, it is not just between the husband and wife. It affects the whole family.
Another thing I'm going to share... About two years after I got divorced, when my daughter was about 13, I started seeing a guy who I really fell for. His name was the same as what my daughter said she really liked for a boy, and what she would name her son if she ever had one.
She never met this guy, but I did tell her that he had her favorite name.
The reason she never met him is because it turns out he was married. He lied to me and said he was divorced, then after a few weeks and some things that raised red flags for me, he said he was married but planning on filing for divorce.
I would only go out with him when my kids were with their dad, but they did know I was seeing him. They also knew when I stopped seeing him, and when they asked me why, I told them.
He would text or call me once in a while, and I'm ashamed to say that sometimes I would meet him at a bar or restaurant. I did this thinking my kids wouldn't know, but they are paying a lot more attention than you think!
One night when my daughter was with her dad, I went into the bathroom to get ready to go see this married guy, and there was a note from my daughter on the mirror. It said "Mom, I don't know if you're planning on going out tonight, but if you are, please don't meet up with XXX. I love you, and you deserve better than to waste your time with someone who can't be with you completely." I was utterly shocked!! Nothing like getting put in your place by a 13 year old.
My point is, you may think kids aren't paying attention but they are.
They may not say anything, but they are watching whether you realize it or not.
I think what Kate is teaching them about discarding all the family and friends who loves you the most is going to give them far more emotional scars than some dating issues that they may not know hardly anything about.
I think as much as the kids should have family in their lives it's probably best for the peace for Jon to not try to undermine Kate's decision to estrange certain family members. He can only fight so much.
I'm not sure the sheep even know that Kendra spilled the beans. Is there Internet down in the bunker? I heard they're only communicating with the outside through two way radio. If she stays silent for another week ill do a new Hitler video.
Just an FYI - I get organic coconut oil at Costco.
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Well, if this article is true, then Kate lied about being in contact with one of her sisters, I think it is the one who lives out of state in maybe Ohio?
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Last June, there was speculation that Kate was visiting her sister, Christen, because someone on twitter tweeted that they had seen Kate and the twins at a mall in Toledo. Kate never said she saw her sister, and there's no proof that she did.
That was also around the time that Kate wrote the bog on the Stir about Jamie's dog. So many surmised that she went to see her sister and then went on to visit Jamie. But we actually don't know if that is fact or not.
She's b-a-a-a-a-ck
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"An optimist sees an opportunity in every calamity; a pessimist sees a calamity in every opportunity." ~W Churchill
Amen! Then again, I believe that the ones that don't like Jon are taking advantage of the chance to bash him, cloaking themselves in 'moral values'.
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Great way to put it, Remona. You're right on...
I didn't say it might not be damaging I'm just saying it's a family matter. Lots of things can cause dysfunction in families other than sexual matters. That is but one of many. Where is the outrage over the many other parenting mistakes. Heck staying together in an unhappy marriage could be just as damaging.
I think affairs and sleeping around have been going on for centuries, we are only just more open about it now. Didn't Thomas Jefferson have an affair? This is not new, it should not be shocking, and it's not our place to judge. It is a sexual choice that people have been making forever no different than any other choice you make to get in bed with someone. Some people like one partner some people like several and neither one can claim their kids are perfect for it.
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So ideally he moved a new woman in and out of his home during the two week period in between weekends with his children? If he respects his children so much, he can show it by not having a revolving door for the women in his life.
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I know, right? He should have had the good taste to just keep them at a motel.
Milo's back. Will WOS be far behind?
They're trashing Kendra on Milo's timeline. Knew they couldn't ignore it.
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Well..if things don't get even weirder...now supposed sis comes 4ward & talks to a rag tag mag from the UK? Caring family doesn't do that...
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@MiloandJack Agreed-Especially since I personally know that this reporter was offering $$$ 4 salacious info. As if her bro/ex wasn't enough.
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@deannatweeting Sad indeed...$$$ does corrupt. I guess if the #PriceIsRight ur expendable! Can't imagine family adding fuel 2media fires!!
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@deannatweeting I'm sure U have been approached ovr the yrs 2sell ur friend out! Good 2know U have morals/principles/& loyalty N friendship!
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@Paula__M__B If there is ANY VALIDITY in it...this sis needs 2come 4ward & do some explaining! Who does something like that 2family?
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@MiloandJack It is awful, especially since Kate misses her and has asked for this sister's number multiple times.
So there ya go. Milo states that "you don't do this to family", yet what about what Kate has done to her family? And there's Deanna, backing up everything she says.
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Another Hitler video? Yes, please! I loved the last one. "No more boobyguard..." Classic. Please stay hidden, TFW and sheeple.
Steve seems to be under some kind of contract with TLC. He has been seen with some of the other TLC families, so he must work for them steadily. I think TFW hires him to work for her whenever she can find an excuse to have him around. He was on the book tour (I saw him). Maybe she got HCI to pay for him (ya know, for security with all those dozens of fans around). Or maybe she paid him herself, thinking that she'd make enough money off the cookbook to cover all her costs. If so, then the joke's on her.
But there was no sign of him in any of the NYC pics with TFW and the twins. There were pictures of them getting out of a van, posing for pictures, plus video through the Today Show window--and no sign of him. Maybe TFW's finally feeling a little financial stress. She went to NYC without Steve, she didn't get her roots done while she was there, and she came right back home rather than stay a few days to sightsee and shop with the twins. And she certainly reeked of desperation, even more than usual. She needs a new show so she can afford to have Steve spend time with her.
I think the friend is Beth.
I thought Kate said Jamie lived in Michigan not Ohio???
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Well..if things don't get even weirder...now supposed sis comes 4ward & talks to a rag tag mag from the UK? Caring family doesn't do that...
LOL! Now it's Kendra and Kate's family's fault for the alienation. I've never seen anything like Milo.
OT. I've mentioned my Brazilian friend's malaprops. Here's one from today that might give you a laugh. It sort of goes with the Jon and Liz theme!
My friend is the housekeeping manager of a fairly nice hotel in a large chain. She was telling me about all the oddities people leave behind in the rooms. "So someone leave this big box of pennies! Pennies of all colors and all shapes, big pennies, small pennies...."
I was puzzling this one out. She could tell, so she started gesturing to just below her waist and said, "You know! Pennies! Pen-is!" Um, artificial, all colors and shapes and sizes, well, you get the idea. "A box of pen-is! What I gonna do? The maids want me to put them in lost and found!"
Fortunately, I caught on before I commented that my son collects pennies...
Maybe they sent Milo out to peek out of the bunker and report back.
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Maybe they sent Milo out to peek out of the bunker and report back.
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Or Mr. LOM is off duty lol.
Milo is ranting and raving about this latest story. How can that be, though? Milo doesn't surround herself with negativity, nor does she read what she calls trash magazines.
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Supposed? So that woman who looks just like Kate is a fake? Geez you would think Kate should sue for that.
I think Kate is the one who is uncaring here, Milo. It is criminal to keep cousins from each other. That was Kendra's point.
Five days in the bunker and all they could come up with is a crummy Winston Churchill quote?
I'm not really buying Kate's sister coming out of the woodwork after all this time. How would she know Steve's out of the picture if she hasn't been part of the inner circle for 6 years? Just because he wasn't in any recent pictures?
I do think every family member, teacher, neighbor, needs to speak out. But speak out with Jon and/or his lawyer or state officials that are investigating Kate. Conflicted about the twins. Are they going along with Kate because it keeps her temper in line, and are protecting the little kids or are they benefiting big time because they do remember all the past abuse and are holding it over Kate's head? If I were Jon, I'd almost want to say, it's my custody time, they're all coming with me. The twins don't like it, tough shit, they can sit in a corner and pout all weekend, all phones in the car trunk for the weekend. Maybe they do need some loving discipline, not just the I'll kiss your butt they are getting from Kate. Did Jon actually say he hasn't seen the little boy in months? If he hasn't, he should be on the phone or in the school finding out what the hell is going on.
All this hanging with the twins in her bedroom, I call total BS. If they are home, most likely they're talking/texting with friends or working on school project, because it's supposedly such a demanding school, or they're out of the house all together with friends.
Kate may not have any of the kids over the weekend. She usually tweets about their great Chipolte dinner out with the twins. Gee if one of the little boys is usually home, what does she do, isolate him even further and hire a babysitter just for him?
There is something very not normal going on in that house. It is not normal for a woman with that many kids to have no interaction with their friends families. They are very isolated. They go to school - period. That is not healthy.
Does seem Kate requires some intervention. She's probably in twitter jail by her lawyer. Oh where or where is Milo, must be in the same jail. Something is very "off" in the house in Wernersville.
Doesn't Jamie live in Michigan.
Hmmm. Kate does a retweet a few hours ago and magically Milo pops up. She and Deanna are bitching about Kendra, Kate's sister. You can't tell me there's no coordination.
I think the friend is Beth.
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I wish she would be okay with just saying who she is. It would have a lot of pull. I don't really think she has much to fear at this point, after the fiasco of suing Robert I doubt Kate would sue Beth. What's she going to do stop her from seeing the kids? Too late.
I have to say the quotes just "sounded" like Beth. She was a restrained woman, but spoke very clearly, succinctly, and intelligently, just like those quotes. Perfectly rational statements from what we came to know as a very rational woman.
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@deannatweeting Oh wow...now that is heart breaking 2hear! Families go thru stuff...but if one reaches out...family should run 2each other!
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How can they run 2 Kate when she locked the mcmansion gates??
Milo and Deanna apparently feel that Kate can't speak for herself so they're doing all the talking for her.
I guess this was planned at a strategy meeting earlier today, with Dm's back and forth.
Come on, Kate. What's the matter, cat got your tongue. Why can't you speak for yourself--or is it easier to get your "friends" to do that?
I'm not really buying Kate's sister coming out of the woodwork after all this time.
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I'm really not buying a publication like this one would post a picture and make up quotes if they didn't really belong to that person. That would be legal suicide. It's her. I just think she may be basing some of her info on what is going on on hearsay, that's all. By her own admission she hasn't been around in years. And maybe when Kate visited her sister in Toledo her Toledo sister didn't tell her for fear it would hurt her feelings. Perfectly reasonable explanation.
All I know from my source is that Jon liked Kendra and Jeff. I don't know what's going on as far is if he can do anything so the kids can see her. I think he needs to focus on his own problems.
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I think the friend is Beth.
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I wish she would be okay with just saying who she is.
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This is why I think it could be Jamie but who knows could be Beth or Jodi or Gina.
Last June, there was speculation that Kate was visiting her sister, Christen, because someone on twitter tweeted that they had seen Kate and the twins at a mall in Toledo. Kate never said she saw her sister, and there's no proof that she did.
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Yes or maybe that. If I recall my geography right they'd have to pass right through there on their way to Michigan to see Jamie. We know they saw Jamie because she tweeted a photo of Jamie's dog.
Maybe since she somewhat knew Toledo because of her sister, that's why they stopped there. It's always easier to make a pit stop at a place you know.
I'm really not buying a publication like this one would post a picture and make up quotes if they didn't really belong to that person. That would be legal suicide
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Exactly. No matter how trashy magazines are (not that this one is), you don't set yourself up for a libel suit, and you don't use a photo and quotes. I was thinking the same thing about Kate visiting Christen in Ohio...she very well could have done that without Kendra's knowledge. However, if the family is close, wouldn't you think that Kendra would have asked Christen about this BEFORE she made those statements to the magazine?
Kate's asked WHO for her sister's number, Deanna? Why is she without her own sister's number in the first place? If anyone spoke about my relationship with me sister I'd pummel them. No one speaks for us not even my BFF.
Also Deanna just because you are paid does not automatically make you a liar. You're paid to work with Kate, should we assume you lie about her? Maybe she's donating any money she received if any to a German shepherd charity, you have no idea. Try again.
But speak out with Jon and/or his lawyer or state officials that are investigating Kate.
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What state officials are investigating Kate?
I think her family is probably coming to the same conclusion Jon is. The ONLY way to reach Kate is to get her in the press. We can debate endlessly whether that is right, I'm just saying I think this is what it's come to, them feeling like nothing, nothing they have tried helps and the ONLY way to make her listen is go public because if there's one thing she can't ignore it's a good story about her. I mean, she did disappear after the press exploded on her the past few weeks. I think it does get to her more than an email, phone call, private intervention she could just blow off.
I give them credit for holding out SIX YEARS.
Cue the violins.......
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@deannatweeting My heart goes out 2Kate! Been so much tough/negative stuff going on...needlessly! She sure didn't expect this I'm sure!
Needlessly? Really Milo? Kate was the one using the twins for interviews in People, and on Today and the View. Perhaps, if she hadn't have done that, perhaps she wouldn't be getting all the flak she is getting now.
She and she alone made that decision, and now it's coming back to bite her. So, just remember, it was Kate that started it all.
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Maybe they sent Milo out to peek out of the bunker and report back.
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She has to come out for air. I imagine the sheep manure smell gets kind of bad down there!
A lot of disgusting information about Jon has come out because of that sleazy TV show. I hate that he decided to be in it, and the garbage that is coming out makes him sound like he has the morals of a wart hog. I am really disappointed in Jon. I have really, really liked him and empathized with him over the awful life Kate put him through and for the turmoil that continues between the kids and the parents. It is just wrong that all this crap is coming out, now that he has made a bit of headway in the popularity war. It is sickening. Now what?
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Maybe they sent Milo out to peek out of the bunker and report back.
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She has to come out for air. I imagine the sheep manure smell gets kind of bad down there!
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Since I'm watching The Walking Dead now I'm going to tie it in and say Milo volunteered to leave the prison and go "do a run" for water, supplies and baby formula. But the Zombies (the truth) are overwhelming and she has to spend all her time trying to get rid of them. So sad.
So cut him a break for being human and making mistakes or look in the mirror and tell yourself that your perfect and make every wise decision. All this "he and they are so bad" is getting old.
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Yes, njay, everyone makes mistakes. Normally, though, we LEARN from them and try to NOT continue repeating them years later.
Also, Jon knows the drill. You appear on a reality show, you're up for discussion. No excuses for him and I'm glad to see some people are holding him responsible.
We hold Kate responsible for all her mistakes so why is Jon getting a pass?
I wouldn't be surprised to hear Kate has entered a rehab facility of some sort. That's pretty much all she CAN do to save her reputation now.
When I see a tabloid using an anonymous source, a friend, a babysitter, a relative, I give it a more skeptical read. But when someone goes on record with exactly who they are, how they tie to the subject matter, even providing a picture of themselves, I don't believe for one second the publication made it up--too risky.
Forget Kate, KENDRA could sue if they made it up. She's a private figure and wouldn't have to prove malice. Open and shut. They just wouldn't do that, it would be insane. I would stake everything on that being Kendra and all those quotes straight from her. I just think Kendra herself is a bit out of the loop, and that's perfectly understandable given the situation. The point of what she was saying still rung true.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear Kate has entered a rehab facility of some sort. That's pretty much all she CAN do to save her reputation now.
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Never thought of that. I don't think narcissists ever seek treatment.
But you gave me an idea that maybe she whined that she really just needs to get away from this all and took off for a weekend at one of the private spas rich people go to that would be discreet. Arizona or New Mexico somewhere. I can totally see that. She's been able to travel much more covertly lately because no one cares and she looks like every other aging barbie doll out there. She almost got away with going to the Kentucky Derby in secret this year but one person out of the thousands there posted a pic. But for that person we'd never know.
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I didn't say it might not be damaging I'm just saying it's a family matter. Lots of things can cause dysfunction in families other than sexual matters. That is but one of many. Where is the outrage over the many other parenting mistakes. Heck staying together in an unhappy marriage could be just as damaging.
I totally agree that staying together in an unhappy marriage is just as damaging- I lived it! The last few years of my marriage, my husband and I were more like roommates and acquaintances. After the divorce, we are actually on friendly terms, and I feel that he became a better father. He spent more quality, relaxed time with the kids. Unlike when we would do something as a family, and there was always that tension in the air.
I am really bad at articulating my point sometimes. What I meant in my other post is that Jon needs to remember that he has eight sets of eyes watching him. When you become a parent, your life isn't just about you anymore. Sometimes you have to make sacrifices based on the best interest of your children. And I'm not just talking about whether or not you date. It holds true even if you're married. Of course you want to nurture your marriage and have alone time, etc.
(So I say in hindsight)
I really like Jon, but I am sort of let down right now. (I know, he really doesn't care what I think.) But he's got three little boys that are looking up to him and depending on him for guidance.
I just keep thinking of the Rodney Atkins song Watching You.
"I've been watching you dad, ain't that cool. I'm your buckaroo, I wanna be like you. And eat all my food and grow as tall as you are. We got cowboy boots and camo pants Yeah we're just alike hey ain't we dad. I wanna do everything you do, so I've been watching you." :)
Kate and Jon used to have a relationship with Kendra and Jeff. Wasn't it Jeff who helped with the twins' room in the old house? It would seem that they had a relationship with them for years, so...why would Kate need to ask for Kendra's phone number? Wouldn't she have it memorized? And--just for fun--let's assume Kendra changed her number. And it's unlisted. And Kate also forgot where her sister lives. Or maybe the sister moved and Kate doesn't know how to use the internet to find addresses/phone numbers...yeah, right. Anyway, wouldn't the person/people Kate asked for the number give it to her? It's her sister, so why would anyone refuse to give her the number? Deanna's full of crap.
Hey, Milo? Family doesn't cut each other out of their lives for expressing concern over the well-being of children.
Nobody is giving Jon a pass, but there are posters who are taking all of this CT and really carrying it too far...it's called deflection...it's what the sheeple do to turn the conversation away from Kate.
I understand Danielle. Neither Kate nor Jon's sexual escapades ever gave me much of anything but a passing interest. The reason Kate's foot licking was a bit shocking to me was because she left the kids when they were crying for her to stay, and how hypocritical it was since she has always presented herself as so Christian and moral. Steve only interests me to the extent it's funny and it was so disrespectful of Jon and his wishes at the time. I couldn't care less if she wants to bang a married man or whatever was going on, that's up to them. I don't get the same hypocritical feeling about Jon. I get that it's on T.V. and fair game, sure., but I can't fake interest in it. None of these couples therapy or celebrity rehab or any similar shows ever interested me. Even some of the stuff with Farrah I was nearly falling asleep, I don't care much about any of their silly problems.
I'm more interested in the Gosselin kids and how fame, fortune, and reality T.V. will affect them later, which is a topic I've been interested in even before I saw this family on T.V. I just have a hard time seeing them on the therapist's couch concerned about two girlfriends they met in the grand scheme of everything that has happened to them. For every negative sample of a parent and dating I can provide a positive example of kids being just fine about it. Obviously others feel differently, that's fine.
I am however really enjoying the recaps, because writing does interest me and I love a good snark, and this show provides it.
I wish Gina would come out of the closet, but I suppose if she wants her husband to ever see work again she has to stay mum.
I agree, admin, the only way to get to KK is publicly. At least the kids will finally understand that it was not family and friends that abandoned them....it was mommy dearest chasing everyone away.
Also, I think KK holds kids back from visits to their father.........so she won't be ALONE. She has no one now. And the holidays that were suppose to be spent with Jon....did she wreck that, too???
I also have a hard time believing Kate couldn't get her number too. If someone isn't giving you her number, ask someone else. Or email her. Or mail her a letter. Or look her up on Facebook. Or look up public voting records in PA and knock on her door. Give me a break. It's impossible not to find someone these days. And if she was trying to contact her why did Kendra just say she has reached out to her multiple times and been rejected? I'm sure Kendra can prove that with emails she sent, letters returned, phone records for the calls she made, etc. That would be easy to prove.
And why was Kate telling all this to Deanna in the first place? That's a rather random topic of conversation I have a hard time believing even came up in the first place. They seem like the type of girls who talk about the Real Housewives and the best sushi places to go to, not some sister she never sees.
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"There are friends who pretend 2b friends, but there is a real friend who sticks closer than a brother." Prov.18:24 >> @deannatweeting :)
I wonder if Milo would still think the same way if for some reason Deanna every turned on Kate. If Deanna ever said anything disparaging about Kate, what would Milo do then?
I agree, admin, the only way to get to KK is publicly. At least the kids will finally understand that it was not family and friends that abandoned them....it was mommy dearest chasing everyone away.
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Yes. I also firmly believe, and actually sort of know, that there are some people of their family and friends who wish to make a public record that they did try to do something in case the kids ever question them about it when they are adults and get upset thinking they didn't try. I don't disagree with them. It's probably important that record is made for posterity.
Some people are taking this Jon having "sex" to some wild extremes.
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Actually, I'm just repeating what Jon told us himself. Straight from the horse's mouth.
I do the same with Kate. She's easier because she gives us so much more material to work with. lol
I wouldn't be surprised to hear Kate has entered a rehab facility of some sort. That's pretty much all she CAN do to save her reputation now.
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If she did, then she's retweeting from there.
Marley @MarlJust 3h
Look what arrived! And look who's hungry! http://instagram.com/p/jsSGZmAAWe/ #LoveIsInTheMix @Kateplusmy8 pic.twitter.com/S2k8l6zj1h
Retweeted by Kate Gosselin
Oh no it's only Monday and we're Bible thumping already? Sure the Bible says friends are good. The Bible also has a lot to say about enablers like Deanna:
Ephesians 5:11
Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
Deanna Bell @deannatweeting 1m
@MiloandJack It is awful, especially since Kate misses her and has asked for this sister's number multiple times.
Oh this is the one that actually has me laughing. Raise your hand if you believe any part of this. I am starting to think that good ol' @deanna does know who Milo is, because engaging that fool in conversation makes no sense otherwise.
And again, she asked WHO for their number, Deanna? Who?
And if that's the case why can't Kate say so herself?
That retweet of Kate's.. Is the original tweeter a sheeple or a hater?
She says she got TFW Crookbook, and look who is hungry? and its a dog!!
BWAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAA
Yep kate, the food in your book looks good enough fro a dog to eat...it looks like dog food!! And Kate retweets it. ha ha
Radar has picked up the story and the comments are brutal. Again!
FRP
I think that article with Blitzer law firm is just some legal blogger writing an article about custody battles. The titel is a bit odd, since it makes it sound like they know something. There is a Bitzer law firm in York Pennsylvania tho.....
Deanna Bell @deannatweeting 1m
@MiloandJack It is awful, especially since Kate misses her and has asked for this sister's number multiple times.
Kate has three cars. Use one of them to drive to Kendra's house if she misses her so much and doesn't have a phone number.
Yep. They live in the same town. Ask around, find out where she lives. Drive to her house with flowers and a heartfelt letter begging for forgiveness.
You'd be surprised how hard it is to truly estrange a sister. I bet Kendra would welcome her with open arms.
How incredibly dumb are Deanna and Milo? Kate's been asking for Kendra's number? Kate has a mother. Kate's mother is Kendra's mother. I would think that if Kendra is not estranged from her mother, Mrs. Kreider could give Kendra's number to Kate. It's not rocket science,
Steve's a "security" expert. Certainly with all of his expertise in sniffing people out, he could have come up with Kendra's number for Kate. Geez...
Heck, even the defective detective and/or BV could have figured out a way to get Kendra's number for Kate!
The fact that Deanna is even chatting with Milo is insane. Milo is a nut. Objectively, she is a nut. Why is Deanna talking to her?? I can see it being okay sort of to talk to fans like Em or Barb but come on even the sheeple admit Milo is off her rocker.
ROL has now picked up the story. Kate sure has lost control of the narrative since that Today Show debacle hasn't she?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
"An optimist sees an opportunity in every calamity; a pessimist sees a calamity in every opportunity." ~W Churchill
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Wanna go there Milo? Really?
I may be drunk, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly. ~~ Winston Churchill
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 85
And again, she asked WHO for their number, Deanna? Who?
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Exactly who did she ask?
Kate is a twit said... 80
I wonder if Milo would still think the same way if for some reason Deanna every turned on Kate. If Deanna ever said anything disparaging about Kate, what would Milo do then?
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HA if Deanna turned on Kate Milo would turn on Deanna so fast it wouldn't be funny.
chefsummer, Jamie DOES live in Michigan. Kate's sister currently lives near Toledo. It's just a hop and a skip between where sis and Jamie live.
As for Milo and Deanna doing the deflecting work, I say "SHUTUPSHUTUPSHUTUP". I knew Milo wouldn't miss this opportunity to come out of HER hidey-hole. And let's not forget, Deanna only knows what Kate tells her for the most part.
(This boils down to Kendra needing rent money, right?? lol)
In the article, Kendra says that she sends Christmas cards to Kate every year. I'm sure her return address must be on the envelope, yet Kate doesn't know where she lives or can't get her phone number?
Deanna's spin doesn't wash, but Milo and the sheeple are lapping up every bit of it.
If Kate or Deanna say it, it must be true!
(Leslie)
Kate said in an interview with Natalie Morales in 2009/2010 that she did e-mail with her parents. If she wanted Kendra's phone number I am sure she could have asked her parents. Maybe she does not even e-mail her parents anymore. Who knows! Deanna's statement about Kate wanting to call Kendra had to be approved by Kate. And as usual it sounds totally ridiculous and untrue. There are many ways to get a phone # of a sister that lives in a near by town. How about Steve finding the number...easy peasey for him.
Deanna Bell @deannatweeting 1m
@MiloandJack It is awful, especially since Kate misses her and has asked for this sister's number multiple times.
If anyone believes this stuff then they are crazier than Deanna and Milo put together. Both of them need to stop talking such nonsense because it makes them look like total jerks. Kate wants Kendra's number, and if Kate is as resourceful as some say she is, then she knows darn well how to get Kendra's number and/or address.
Head banging time!
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 85
And again, she asked WHO for their number, Deanna? Who? And if that's the case why can't Kate say so herself?
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She's on bedrest in the back bunker. Dr. Milo has given strict orders that she not be disturbed.
If anything it's so hysterical Deanna going on about someone making money. Um, Deanna has made thousands off Kate. She even went on CWS with Kate and I'm sure was paid for her appearance per the law. Kate helps keep her employed as a make up artist. She even advertises the work she did with Kate on her web site. She uses Kate to make money.
Why would she say something bad about her client and get herself fired? Kate's her meal ticket.
Isn't it soon time for Milo to go to bed, or is LOM making an exception tonight since there is so much damage control to be done?
Point acknowledged Admin. It must have been on another site where I read more details about the adoption fund. Let's hope big sister didn't attempt to copy little sister in this adventure, because she's public now and the wolf pack that guards TFW will be hell bent on uncovering it.
Layla, I LOVED Gilda. I just introduced my daughter to Roseanne Roseannadanna. Curiously enough, she did a fabulous impersonation of Baba Wawa.
I typed in Kendra Wilber into Facebook and in two seconds flat I found her and Jeff, using the same photo in the article and listing herself as from Lititz, just a hop skip and a jump from Kate.
Message her Kate. Here:
https://www.facebook.com/kendra.wilber.35?ref=br_rs&fref=browse_search
This has got to be the stupidest tweet of the day(other than those by Milo and Deanna). This is from a Kate fan who lives in Australia. Is she really serious? SMH
jellybean @nswru1 21m
@deannatweeting @MiloandJack I hope Kate and her family get a reality show to work through their issues so the kids and kate have support.
Yeah, just what they need a reality show to work out their issues. What are they going to call it-Growing Up Kreider?
with Radar picking up Kate's sister's story...........does anyone think that Jon's lawyers are questioning Kate's family to find out about Kate
keeping children away from them too. Does one remember when Kate took kids to see Jon's Aunt/Uncle when on a each trip or some TCL trip? Kate not seeing her family, but needed someone to visit probably
to show Jon. Just weird!
Deanna and Milo are Kate's CEs,(Chief Enablers). Deanna gets paid. What does Milo get out of this? Attention? Her ego gets boosted because she's an "insider?" She feels important because she's as close as she's ever going to get to someone who is a "celebrity?"
I was wondering if her family knows the extent to which Milo inserts herself into Kate's family. Something must be terribly lacking in her own family relationship for her to turn to another family for recognition. Then I remembered that when Milo had surgery during the time Kate's show was cancelled, it was reported that Milo's husband (if there really is one) asked that Milo not be informed of the cancellation because it would hinder her rehabilitation.
So they must know, and they either ignore it, or they just go along with it, knowing that there is absolutely nothing they can do.
The whole thing is just so twisted and so bizarre that if this were written into a book of non-fiction nobody would ever believe it. The psychology of it all is just so fascinating.
White pages.com, a site anyone should know how to use, has Kendra Wilber's address and phone number. This came up like third on google. Found her in 6 seconds. I'd be happy to pass it along to Kate. It's her, has Jeff M. Wilber as her husband. Street name is the name of a bird. Area code is 717. No excuses not to call now.
Geez once you know an address you can find SOO much about a person.
This person like many people is ALL over the internet, photos, contact info, records, etc. I won't say much for her own protection but even a second rate security person like Steve could find her. Anything Kate needs to contact her is available within seconds of looking for it. If she can't figure this out she's dumber than I thought.
I typed in Kendra Wilber into Facebook and in two seconds flat I found her and Jeff, using the same photo in the article and listing herself as from Lititz, just a hop skip and a jump from Kate.
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It's about 45 minutes from her home to Lititz, but only 20 minutes from the kids' school to Lititz. Kate drops off the kids at school and drives to her sister's house. How difficult is that?
She's on bedrest in the back bunker. Dr. Milo has given strict orders that she not be disturbed.
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But only by Dr. Milo herself. She's the exception to the Do Not Disturb order.
It's about 45 minutes from her home to Lititz, but only 20 minutes from the kids' school to Lititz. Kate drops off the kids at school and drives to her sister's house. How difficult is that?
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PA is like Texas. 45 minute drives are "close." :) She really lives plenty close enough to see her on weekends and spend holidays with her. It's just tragic these kids can't see their cousins.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 109
IDK if it the same in PA but here in Chicago you can call 411 and ask for someones # all you need is an address and name.
"IF" KK want to contact her sister she could opted word here is "IF",
Did a search on Robert's Book. (love that I can do that with Kindle). TFW mentions Kendra (in journal entries) and all the stuff Kendra did for them at least 7 times. Kendra brought me my tomatoes, Kendra came to watch the kids while I shopped. Kendra (and Jodi) helped with the Christmas dinner in the garage...
Boy, Kendra did a lot for TFW and the kids, but in the end all she got was the shaft.
Nice going TFW you freakin' WOS. Way to show your gratefulness. Gawd you make me sick.
In this day and age of the internet, to say that Kate couldn't get Kendra's phone number is absolutely insane. Deanna must be dumber than we thought. We already knew about Milo. Is this the best they could come up with on short notice? Maybe these sheep need to stay in the bunker and work on their deflection spin, because their last minute garbage just doesn't hold water no matter how you look at it.
I refuse to believe all these people have done her wrong. What I think happened was she went Hollywood and thought she didn't need these mediocre types anymore. She wanted to hang out with "cool" people like Deanna and Ted Gibson who paint the town red in NYC. She wanted to hang out with people with accents and loads of money. She wanted to be besties with people like Roma Downey and Kendra Wilkinson and Taylor Swift. She wanted to be a jet setter always on a plane off to some sunny place, screw PA.
She'll regret forgetting her roots because when the Romas of the world stop caring for the more than one second they might have cared, your roots are what will be left.
Nothing against Kendra she sounds like a woman with a beautiful heart, but she lives a mediocre life in a mediocre town in a mediocre house and she looks as un-Hollywood as they come (and I bet she's much happier than most of Hollywood too). She's just not good enough for Kate.
What is tragic is that these people DID spend a lot of time with the kids and did form bonds and did love this family and then they were all tossed aside with the trash. It's a terrible, shameful, criminal way to treat those who gave so much of their time, energy and hearts to you. This is not your normal situation. This is a situation in which they needed massive help and an army of volunteers to care for tiny vulnerable babies and they owed these people better than how they've treated them. And what did Kate do? Made a recent statement it was just her and Jon for the first several years!!!
IDK if it the same in PA but here in Chicago you can call 411 and ask for someones # all you need is an address and name.
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You can do that if it's a land line or is not an unlisted number. Cell phone numbers aren't given out, and some people don't use land lines anymore. I didn't check to see if she's listed in the phone book.
White pages.com, a site anyone should know how to use, has Kendra Wilber's address and phone number. This came up like third on google. Found her in 6 seconds. I'd be happy to pass it along to Kate. It's her, has Jeff M. Wilber as her husband. Street name is the name of a bird. Area code is 717. No excuses not to call now.
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Are Deanna and Milo this stupid that they couldn't figure out that someone would look this up? I mean, why would you even say anything as dumb as Kate's been trying to get her number? I just don't get it. It would appear that all three of them are intellectually challenged.
Nothing against Kendra she sounds like a woman with a beautiful heart, but she lives a mediocre life in a mediocre town in a mediocre house and she looks as un-Hollywood as they come (and I bet she's much happier than most of Hollywood too).
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Hey! It's not mediocre. Last year it was voted #1 America's coolest small town!! But I know what you mean. It's mediocre compared to the glitz and glamour of Hollywood and the beautiful people she's tried to emulate.
http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2013/05/01/america-coolest-small-towns-2013/
It would appear that all three of them are intellectually challenged. 118
I'm sorry, but I find this insulting to those who are actually intellectually challenged.
They are not stupid.
These people (D & M) have other issues and/or motives.
Did anyone notice that the author of the UKMail article is a PA resident?
January
Are Deanna and Milo this stupid that they couldn't figure out that someone would look this up? I mean, why would you even say anything as dumb as Kate's been trying to get her number? I just don't get it. It would appear that all three of them are intellectually challenged.
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Yep. After all the years of touching elbows with actual celebrities and given every opportunity to make it in the business it's come down to a little flock of dummkopfs who can't come up with even a hint of a believable rebuttal.
#sheddingfarrahtearsforkate
Claiming Kate cannot get her sister's telephone number is beyond ridiculous! Milo defending Kate's inability to find said number proves Milo lives in a bubble, along with her dilusions.
This is TFW's sister speaking out after years of being frozen out, and she is immediately trounced by Milo as an interloper, an outsider, an uncaring sister!
Yes, Milo, that's it, poor Kate can't manage to find her sister's phone number, even after YEARS of trying. You'd think Kendra had gone into the Witness Protection Program for heaven's sake!
Katie, meet karma.
Karma, meet Katie.
What goes around, comes around.
If I were Kate I would say there are good reasons that Kendra is no longer in my life but it's not appropriate or productive to share them publicly. This is a family matter and thank you for respecting our privacy.
Turn it around on her in a way that can't be refuted.
The whole thing is just so twisted and so bizarre that if this were written into a book of non-fiction nobody would ever believe it 108
No kidding. I think would have a hard time passing as fiction, too.
I'm sure people tried, really tried hard, to educate Kate about public relations. Their paychecks might even still be coming in if she would have learned HOW to talk to the press. But alas, no one knew how to teach her. :(
Wait a second. I think I know what happened. Kate was phoning the other Kendra but she wasn't answering.
Actually, I'm just repeating what Jon told us himself. Straight from the horse's mouth.
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NO!!!! You are picking and choosing what to believe that comes from Jon's mouth. You apparently don't believe Jon saying he only dated two women in the beginning, yet you want to grab on to his saying he slept with the women he mentioned on CT. You can't have it both ways. You either believe both or you don't. You can't pick and choose, that is stupid.You are really starting to sound like the sheeple that have two peanuts for a brain. They are like an ostrich that will peck a person hard and then run to bury their head in the sand. Their logic, excuses and denial is off the chart and they remain clueless at how ignorant they are sounding. I would like to believe that since you have posted here and I don't recall hearing you speak so in your face like you are now, that you are really as ignorant as you are sounding. At least a few of you anyway.
It all seems a little fishy to me. Is there any hijacking going on here? Have the sheeple conspired to leave twitter and try to make this blog a masquerade party? Like I said before, IT'S GETTING OLD.
I think Liz must be exaggerating the "moved a new woman in" when their relationship was on a two-week break. She pulled up with a moving van and a load of furniture, but was gone in less than two weeks?
Because my children are geographically scattered, we often have inter-generational visits that last a month or more. In no sense has anyone "moved in" with anyone else. Yes, the visitors cook and clean and make themselves "at home", but everyone understands that it is a visit and not "moving in". And though the luggage may seem overwhelming, no one brings all their worldly possessions on these visits.
Jon may have had a woman stay overnight a night or two, but I really doubt if she "moved in" in any real sense in that time frame.
The know how to find IP's, full names and dresses but can't figure out how to find a number. Maybe we should order some coconut oil for Milo from of Kate's coupon web site.
Deanna and Milo are the type that if there was an emergency and someone yelled out "call 911" they would yell back "OK, what's the number".
Jon says he's talked to Kendra and Jeff before. He called Jodi and Kevin today after the article and intends to call Kendra tomorrow. He said Kendra has his number and is free to call him too (well, Im glad somebody has someone's number). Nonetheless, he said he has to really focus on the kids seeing his side of the family, they have cousins on that side too and he spends a lot of his time with them making sure they make a connection to his side of the family. He feels it's not his place to reach out to Kate's side like that. He says that you'll see he and Liz make a lot of progress on the CT show and they were grateful for the paycheck but also for the help.
I understand him not getting too tangled up in the various estranged relatives. He has to stay focused.
Also he says that person is not Beth and has no idea who it could be except Jamie, but I think for various reasons we had ruled out Jamie especially since Kate saw Jamie as recently as last summer.
That kind of makes me wonder if the "friend" is a bad source. I do believe Kendra though.
My own thoughts is that I imagine Kendra might feel awkward asking Jon to give up his visitation time and time with his own family so the kids could see her. Jon is right seeing Kendra really needs to happen mostly on Kate's time.
njay said... 127
''.....It all seems a little fishy to me. Is there any hijacking going on here? Have the sheeple conspired to leave twitter and try to make this blog a masquerade party? Like I said before, IT'S GETTING OLD. ''
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BINGO! There have been comments about the sheeple hiding on twitter, and wondering where they are posting. Like you, I think it is this blog that they are hijacking and using Jon/Liz appearance on CT to deflect from the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad press that WOS has been getting from all directions!
So according to the sychophant Deanna, Kate asked someone multiple times for her sister Kendra's telephone number. The person being asked? No idea. But apparently no one could find this public information because it was simply TOO EASILY ACCESSIBLE. Not to mention, the telephone number is probably the same one Kendra had when Kate would still deign to have anything to do with her own sister.
It does seem as if Kate has been set adrift by the powers that be. Kate Coyne better take note - the higher ups have had enough of Kate and are allowing her to be thrown to the wolves. I wonder if Kate has been making urgent telephone calls to any attorney she can think of, asking "can we sue!?"
I think it's very telling that the only people she asked to defend her is some stranger on twitter (milo) and a weak minded little make up artist. She really has no one left in her life. Also it must be killing her that jon lets the kids see his side of the family. The sad thing is as soon as the kids start turning on her she will cast them aside also.....if they're not totally brainwashed by then..
I thought for sure the sheep would go the 'poo poo the whole article as being fabrication' route! Especially since towards the end it says the kids go to Catholic school.
Interesting that they chose to go with 'can't get her number' 'she's a bad sister' 'she got paid' defense ...
Parading those kids out and about has certainly awoken the sleeping giant. Kudos to the twins. They may have done more to help this family than they know.
-13 heating up to a balmy 1 today. Everyone snuggle in and stay warm!
We have lost a gentle and powerful voice.RIP Pete Seeger. He has said "the world will change by many small acts and small leaders." I am so grateful for his activism by voice and music. It helped to shape my social consciousness.
Jon says he's talked to Kendra and Jeff before. He called Jodi and Kevin today after the article and intends to call Kendra tomorrow.
Admin, where is this info? Did Jon do an interview? I've obviously missed something.
Deanna is paid by Kate to do her makeup. Yes, they could be friends but basically, money is exchanged thru the course of their friendship and to quote the great Milo "$$$ does corrupt" Would I go nationally & speak out against my boss? Of course not, I'd lose my 'job'. So Kate can tell her that she's asked for Kendra's # multiple times but that doesn't mean it's true.
Also, if you check out Deanna's website, she's got about 20 pics and 7 of them are Kate! Ray Liotta, Hillary Duff (in an advertisement) & some of the TLC folks. I don't know, it doesn't look like she's some major player in the makeup biz...so of course she's going to crow for her Queen.
Most of you may have seen this....but WOW! TFW has the WORST speaking skills I have ever heard! How many ways can you say the word "dice"? She makes NO sense at all...I was embarrassed for her. She really needs help if she truly thinks she has something to offer on television. I think this last debacle with the twins, Jon suing her and her sister speaking out about all of the alienation TFW has done with family and friends just assured he demise on television. I think she will go if the deep end at some point. #shereallyisnuts
I understand him not getting too tangled up in the various estranged relatives. He has to stay focused.
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Agree Jon has limited time with the kids and being able to connect them to his side of the family is so huge. He can't reconnect every bridge Kate has burned, but hopefully he can manage a meeting with the aunts, uncles and cousins on Kate's side, just so that the kids don't think they're monsters or that they are not loved, and certainly not forgotten.
It might be a case of not wanting to put the kids into a tough position of "betraying" Kate by seeing Uncle Kevin, etc.
I wouldn't be surprised if the kids would suffer consequences.
Tough call.
I don't understand Deanna's defense of Kate, saying that Kate's asked for Kendra's # several times.
It makes no sense at all. It's not logical in this day and age.
Has Deanna actually met Kate's mom? Witnessed a visit? A phone call?
If this contact between Kate and her mother is true, how can she possible NOT get Kendra's contact info? How can she not get in her car and drive over to her house which is nearby?
Again, this doesn't hold water.
But, Kate's still got a strong defender in Deanna. Then again, Deanna makes money off of Kate, and the Kate show, which involves using her children.
Deanna ought to think her accusation through before slamming anyone for making money off of Kate and her kids, when she's been doing it for years.
Filed under Hypocrisy
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@deannatweeting Good grief..siblings make choices N life..it was Kate's call. She's done nothing illegal or immoral...why such judgement?
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Good grief..neighbors make choices N life..In fact, some neighbors make the choice to pack up and leave in the middle of the night without telling you..it was the neighbor's call. They did nothing illegal or immoral ... why such judgement?
Or I could substitute the driver who didn't acknowledge your good deed ... or the bloggers and tweeters you so gleefully wanted outed and prosecuted for not liking Kate Gosselin. ... They did nothing illegal or immoral .. why such judgement Milo?
Does anyone remember this clip of the View ladies throwing TFW under the bus?? Clearly Baba Walters doesn't either after watching her with the twins recently.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc6IXabernk
Berks Neighbor said... 116
Did a search on Robert's Book. (love that I can do that with Kindle). TFW mentions Kendra (in journal entries) and all the stuff Kendra did for them at least 7 times.
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I also recall that Robert made a point of including an email letter from one of Kate's sisters to Kate. I don't recall if he specified which sister it was-- but I'll try to skim through again to find it.
The letter was deeply heart felt and respectful, asking, nay, pleading with Kate to reconnect. I got the feeling the sister was swallowing anything she had to in order to come across as non confrontational.
The sister genuinely missed Kate and wanted to let her know that.
Hoosier Girl said... 139
I thought for sure the sheep would go the 'poo poo the whole article as being fabrication' route! Especially since towards the end it says the kids go to Catholic school.
Interesting that they chose to go with 'can't get her number' 'she's a bad sister' 'she got paid' defense ...
Parading those kids out and about has certainly awoken the sleeping giant. Kudos to the twins. They may have done more to help this family than they know.
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Hoosier, you're right. The dead air silence heard 'round the world has bitten Kate in her ass so badly, she's soon going to need to see Dr. Glassman for a new one. She crossed the line.
Kendra's comment that Steve isn't around anymore gave me the impression that she was confirming that Steve and Kate were having an affair. I mean seriously, the woman used to draw hearts around her book tour dates for Multiple Blessings. If they just had an employer/employee relationship, why would it be mentioned that he is back living in MD. Hmmmmm... I think it was kept very secret so as to protect Mrs. Neild and her sons, as well as Kate's image. Apparently, it's over... although I wonder if he will still be her bodyguard? Was he seen in any of the recent pictures from NYC?
I can't figure out Deanna. Why would a young, single girl in NYC attach herself to a former D-Lister whose name and reputation is becoming more and more toxic? Makes no sense to me...This can only end badly for Deanna.
Too funny that Deanna mentions that the magazine paid $$$ when she earned $$$ for Kate's makeup, appearing on the show, getting a vacay.
Kate was obviously aware of the article because it mentions that they reached out for comment. Kind of explains the Twitter silence. I guess she, Milo and Deanna brainstormed and then waited until the article was released.
I hope more family members speak out. It's about time. I believe we can trace her downfall to the Today Show fiasco. People are not blind to what she has done to those girls.
I'm not sure where you are getting your info, Admin, as to what Jon's reaction is to the article. If the "friend" is not Beth, then Beth should come out from under her rock also. Kendra may have passed on the magazine writer a few names to contact, so it could be any one of the past baby helpers. Geez, there have been so many Kate has shunned.
Was stunned to learn, if true, that Steve is no longer employed by Kate. I find this hard to believe, because she always travels with him. I'm sure she made him sign a CA, but what a book he could write!
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I don't understand Deanna's defense of Kate, saying that Kate's asked for Kendra's # several times.
It makes no sense at all. It's not logical in this day and age.
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Tucker's mom, IMO Kate is tweeting under Deanna's twitter handle (with Deanna's blessing.) Since Deanna has a job, I don't think Deanna has the time or inclination to be bothered to sit and defend Kate all day. Just like that day a few years back where 'Deanna' sat all day and defended Kate (I've seen her carry in and put away 20 bags of groceries) That's crap that only Kate would say or think of.
sparkle, I did find the wording odd in the article that Steve is living back in MD. Sounds like he and Gina separated? Didn't catch the heart thing in Robert's book. Sounds like she had a crush on him, like a high school girl. Jon felt the vibes.
Hoosier Girl said... 146
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@deannatweeting Good grief..siblings make choices N life..it was Kate's call. She's done nothing illegal or immoral...why such judgement?
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Good grief..neighbors make choices N life..In fact, some neighbors make the choice to pack up and leave in the middle of the night without telling you..it was the neighbor's call. They did nothing illegal or immoral ... why such judgement?
Or I could substitute the driver who didn't acknowledge your good deed ... or the bloggers and tweeters you so gleefully wanted outed and prosecuted for not liking Kate Gosselin. ... They did nothing illegal or immoral .. why such judgement Milo?
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Hoosier, your post is perfect and spot on! Yesssss! All Milo does is judge people, then whine and complain about them... why in the WORLD is SHE acting like Kate should get to make any "call" she wants and not be judged? Put your money where your mouth is, Milo. You are looking more desperate, hypocritical and ridiculous than usual.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4619389
Well, there goes her dream of another show. No one will touch her now. She's no longer the wholesome mom she tried so hard to play. No one wants a mom who cut out her own family from the children's lives. Just wow.
Suzy
Vanessa, your link does not work.
It did not occur to me that Kate could be using Deanna's handle. If you follow that logic, Kate could be using Milo's handle and is conversing with herself, LOL.
TLC stinks said... 151
Too funny that Deanna mentions that the magazine paid $$$ when she earned $$$ for Kate's makeup, appearing on the show, getting a vacay.
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She's a hypocrite. I know darn well that Deanna is paid to be Kate's makeup artist. The more Kate films, does media, gets magazine covers, the more money Deanna makes.
She's got major skin in the game, so right there, her motives are suspect.
The kicker is this pot calling the kettle black. Who is Deanna to accuse ANYONE of making money off those kids, when they are the very reason that Kate needs (or not) Deanna.
By the way, anyone with Twitter, please ask Deanna if she got paid to be on CWS. Please. Inquiring minds want to know. Salary, expenses, transportation, free lunch?
I'm betting she did get compensated. She'd be a fool not to. Plus, that's how those things work.
Think Jamie got paid? Yes, Kate said so (Ashley too)- now, why wouldn't Deanna?
Your trying to come off holier than thou when you've got dirty hands just doesn't wash.
TLC stinks said... 153
sparkle, I did find the wording odd in the article that Steve is living back in MD. Sounds like he and Gina separated? Didn't catch the heart thing in Robert's book. Sounds like she had a crush on him, like a high school girl. Jon felt the vibes.
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She did the heart thing a lot for occasions where Steve would be traveling with her. Like we say.... she's emotionally arrested at age 13.
Kate also put a heart on her calendar around the first day of the 2 week Outer Banks vacay in 2008. On that trip, Kate took hundreds of pictures of Steve. Not one of Jon.
If they were together and that info were to get out, Kate would have been done, done, done. Homewrecker is not a good brand. From Philly ChitChit to Kate's family, I think it's been well known that they were a couple. IF that was the case, glad to see Steve came to his senses and went back to his family.
Who is this? A law firm in Illinois, with practice areas in child custody is Kate's newest attorney?
If this is true why would Kate hire-(or grift) a lawyer in another state?
It's a law firm (more are jumping on the bandwagon daily) that uses an automated service to spot hot legal topics and then write their own blog giving related advice. They blast misleading tweets w/the celeb's name, basically trolling for hits to their site. You can find similar tweets on other TS w/celebs in legal trouble.
Vanessa said... 155
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4619389
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Coincidence? 8 Ways?
PJ
Just like that day a few years back where 'Deanna' sat all day and defended Kate (I've seen her carry in and put away 20 bags of groceries) That's crap that only Kate would say or think of.
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Not sure that Kate would Tweet as Deanna, but would she use Deanna as her mouthpiece? You bet.
As far as this groceries story goes- Sure Kate carried groceries and put them away, but did she actually go out and buy it? Nah!
I've read Kate's tweet(s) about putting away $700 worth of groceries, but haven't seen one photo of her hauling 2 cart's filled with groceries, not even at the height of the circus.
The vast majority of photos show Kate with a couple bags-- nothing that would come near enough to feed 8 kids.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 133
Jon says he's talked to Kendra and Jeff before. He called Jodi and Kevin today after the article and intends to call Kendra tomorrow.
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How will he ever get her number? Oh yeah, 411.com
While The Daily Mail is known to be a tabloid, it was a good article. The tweets following it between Deanna and Milo were ridiculous. I feel for Kate's family and estranged friends. They are certainly loyal and willing to forgive- and there's a lot to forgive.For the sake of the children I hope someone breaks through to them.
The link to Kendra's FB page says that the page is own for now. I wonder if she started to get hate on her FB. There's just no speaking out, trying to reach Kate and her kids, without retribution.
Carole I simply emailed Jon yesterday and asked about Kendra. He actually hadn't seen the article until I pointed it out. He was kind enough to reply.
Good grief..siblings make choices N life..it was Kate's call. She's done nothing illegal or immoral...why such judgement?
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Wait a second, Milo just got over saying that Kate HAS tried to reach out but she just had a problem getting her contact information. Now she's saying the estrangement was Kate's call to make? Which is it, she wants to estrange her or wants to contact her? Maybe she slept on it and realized how idiotic it was to pretend she doesn't have her phone number?
And she's right siblings can make whatever choices they want but it doesn't mean the choices they do make aren't terribly tragic for their kids.
Was stunned to learn, if true, that Steve is no longer employed by Kate. I find this hard to believe, because she always travels with him.
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I had a thought. I think Steve was there all the time as security and on payroll as a company employee. I think eventually that was no longer necessary and certainly too expensive but he did agree to do contract work for her as gigs came up. Because he does pop up from time to time when she goes to events.
So maybe they mean Steve is just not on payroll anymore. It doesn't mean Steve is not around for a gig once in awhile.
Maybe she slept on it and realized how idiotic it was to pretend she doesn't have her phone number?
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Her theory has more holes than a fine Swiss Cheese.
C'mon! Common sense will tell a 6-year old that they can use the interwebs to find Kendra.
I would assume that Steve has some modicum of investigative skills that would enable him to find Kate's sister who lives 45 minutes away.
Steve has said that part of his job is to investigate threats to Kate, etc. So, how is he to do that when he apparently can't find a woman a few wing flaps away as the crow flies??
Well, Robert got a hold of Kate's computer discs and a boat load of other stuff, discarded like old cans of beans, on Steve's watch, so there's that.
Lol PJ You got it.
She's the poster girl! For so much actually.
Is this the same sister who used to run that FB page with their mother called "I'm Voting for Kate Gosselin in Life"? (Just checked, the page is no longer searchable on FB)
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Amen Hoosier Girl!
"Is this the same sister who used to run that FB page with their mother called "I'm Voting for Kate Gosselin in Life"? (Just checked, the page is no longer searchable on FB)"
No, that was Clairissa (and mom Charlene).
Tucker's Mom said... 148
I also recall that Robert made a point of including an email letter from one of Kate's sisters to Kate. I don't recall if he specified which sister it was-- but I'll try to skim through again to find it.
The letter was deeply heart felt and respectful, asking, nay, pleading with Kate to reconnect. I got the feeling the sister was swallowing anything she had to in order to come across as non confrontational.
The sister genuinely missed Kate and wanted to let her know that.
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I went back and looked in the book. That email is from Clairissa. She was apologizing to Kate about some blog that her and her husband had, and somehow people found out she was Kate's sister. Most of the email was trying to convince Kate that she hadn't given out any private info or made derogatory comments about Kate on her blog.
The email is dated June 19, 2008 and in at location 12308 in Robert's book.
This is what she said at the end of the email:
I love you, Kate, and I pray for you everyday. I miss you terribly, and I often think of the memories of our childhood together… watching “Rescue 911” together, baking together, playing in our rooms together, etc. I hope all 10 of you are doing great, and I’d love to hear from you… but I know how busy you are! Hug my dear nieces and nephews for me!!
Konspiracytheory said... 172
Is this the same sister who used to run that FB page with their mother called "I'm Voting for Kate Gosselin in Life"? (Just checked, the page is no longer searchable on FB)
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No, that was her sister, Clarissa.
All the evidence suggests this family bent over backwards to show their sister and child love, compassion, understanding, support and most of all PATIENCE. Really, the whole family is bad. All of them. Every single one. Uh huh.
Just wanted to welcome any new readers who might have found this
blog after yesterday's Daily Mail story. Warning: it is addictive!
Now that several people have noted how easy-peasy it was to locate Kendra, I wouldn't be surprised if the next bleating from the barnyard
is that Kendra purposely re-listed her unlisted info right after the story was released, to make a liar out of TFW.
They are not stupid.
These people (D & M) have other issues and/or motives.
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I agree that they have other issues and/or motives. But I also think they are just really, really stupid.
“Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.”
― Euripides, Bacchae
That email says it all. Her whole family is estranged (thrown to the curb) because for one thing narcs are paranoid. Look at clarissa trying to prove she didn't give out any "private" info. Secondly because they are jealous to their very core, they think EVERYONE is jealous of them, more so their siblings. Thirdly once you are of no use to them, why have anything to do with you? Volunteers, neighbors, friends, family? She replaced them all with TLC, AND she got paid to use them. And lastly if you finally stand up, call them out or DEFY them? Well Jon? Jodi? Kevin? ....And she will justify her choices or deflect til her dying day
OT: I just started watching "Say Yes To the Dress" on Netflix while on my treadmill and there in Season 2 was WOS getting her freebie dress for the fake vow renewal. Two thoughts: 1. HUGE BOOB JOB so evident.
2. Marriage was SO over. I've seen women more excited about having a root canal done than she was about getting remarried.
Ya'll many have seen that episode, but I never have. Oh, and she was very standoffish and barely civil to the staff at Kleinfeld's.
Clarissa's behavior sounds she was a bad sister as well. I think Kendra is the innocent party in this in additional to Kevin. I'm wondering if Clarissa tried to insert Kate's name in that fundraising thing that she was supposeiously adopting overseas. I guess both are the bad seeds out of that family.
Suzy
Suzy what did Clarissa do? I haven't followed it too closely. If she revealed anything on her blog I'm sure it was an innocent mistake. I mean even Ashley's mom spilled the beans on a few things on her blog, I doubt it was malicious. None of these people I don't think saw her as a celeb they had to be so careful about. To them she's just her sister and friend.
I firmly believe Kate's family (and probably the friends and locals too) will suddenly be able to help her again - once she runs out of media appearances and money.
Her handful of fans and the occasional gift card aren't going to keep Kate in the style to which she's become accustomed.
My mom told me, once a user always a user ... and I've yet to find the exception to that rule.
She's darn lucky her family seems so forgiving.
Yep, your ass really does hit every single rung on the ladder on the way down. (from my dad)
Footnote: It's just amazing how smart your parents seem when you get older! :-) Glad I kept mine around.
Admin, thank you for sharing Jon's comments. I know there are people here who need PROOF of your contact with him, but I certainly do not. Given his limited contact with the kids and respecting boundary issues, he is doing the right thing by assuring the children see his side of the family. Given his crazy ex, it would not bode well for the children under her roof if he were initiating family visits with her siblings, as wrong and sad as that is. I really think the awful exposure that Kate forced on the twins last week made Kendra rethink her silence. I am sure that she and Kevin, if not the others, feel just awful about the life the kids are forced to lead, all the isolation, the secrets, the wall of silence, no family, etc.
Perhaps this will be the real reckoning of karma for Kate Gosselin - all these people cannot be wrong.
Kate tweeted the following on New Year's Eve:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Dec 31
2014:I'm ready:Kindness Happiness,Hardwork, Lotsa Love,Positive example4my kids,Wise Decisions-->See My Dreams Materialize! #SameGoal #NewYr
6:45 PM - 31 Dec 2013
Gee, Kate, how are those "wise decisions", like dragging the twins on TV, working out for you? Also, I wouldn't say that snapping your fingers at Mady and telling her to "spit it out", is being a "positive example for your kids".
Seems like your "dreams" are turning into nightmares.
I’m not sure what exactly but I’m getting the sense that Clariaissa leads a more public life on social media than Kendra. I mean, she was using social media to solicit donations and then that’s thing on FB defending Kate. I’ve never read her blog or seen that FB post. I’ve never read Ashley’s mother’s blog either so I don’t know what she was disclosing to the public. But I’m reading what people are saying about Clariaissa and her mother; the FB campaign, the fundraising and it just makes me think she is maybe like Kate. She is using social media to get what she wants and basically opened her life to the public to get $$. It may have been innocent idea on her part. Who knows, but I cannot find one bad thing said about Kendra, oddly.
Suzy
TLC stinks said... 151
Too funny that Deanna mentions that the magazine paid $$$ when she earned $$$ for Kate's makeup, appearing on the show, getting a vacay.
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There is a wee difference between getting paid for a professional service and being paid to air your family's dirty laundry.
There is a wee difference between getting paid for a professional service and being paid to air your family's dirty laundry.
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Deanna was saying because Kendra may have been paid it must be lies.
The same goes for her. Because she's getting paid to work with Kate and depends on Kate for income, she has every incentive to say only good things about Kate. It IS the same thing. One may be motivated to say bad things, the other may be motivated to say good things, it's just different sides of the coin but the same coin.
It's clear Kate is one of her biggest clients. She uses her by splashing her AND the kids all of her web site. She is highly motivated to keep Kate on her client roster and not ever expose anything negative if she happened to see something negative. I'm sure she name drops her when she lines up gigs. Kate was her foot in the door to her respectable career in NY.
The point being that money certainly can and does influence what you say or don't say about someone and Deanna is ridiculous to imply this doesn't apply to her and her monetary relationship with Kate too. If she were just a BFF not getting paid and Kate wasn't her client, that would be different.
Dang, what does Kate's extended family have to do in order to be above suspicion? Go into the witness protection program?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 6m
"There are friends who pretend 2b friends, but there is a real friend who sticks closer than a brother." Prov.18:24
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Irony of irony......closer than a brother? That platitude implies that there is some closeness between brothers and sisters....in KK's case, there is NO closeness.....none.
Zero plus zero equals ZERO!!
Forgive me here....but I hate platitudes, they are are the hypocrisy of an uncreative mind, and people that repeatedly use them generally never live by them.
IMO.
Gabby i hate platitudes too, I think people that rely on them as extensively as Milo does do so because they aren't smart enough to come up with their own original thoughts and outlooks on life.
Ivan Peters @SpinoWino 2h
@realitytvkids #kateplusmy8 Admin has a loud mouth 4 a lawyer. First thing a good lawyer should know is not to disclose confidential info.
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Yikes Admi looks like this person don't like you.
Hm, who knows, I just never got the impression she was anywhere near as bad as Kate.
She was raising money for an adoption, tons of people ask for help for that, nothing unusual there. Not like she was raising money for a convertible or big screen T.V. Isn't she the baby of the family? She's younger and likely much more adept at social media. She strikes me like the type that overuses FB but there's nothing sinister about it.
@SpinoWino is a sheeple. Just like at the profile and tweets.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 167
Good grief..siblings make choices N life..it was Kate's call. She's done nothing illegal or immoral...why such judgement?
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Wait a second, Milo just got over saying that Kate HAS tried to reach out but she just had a problem getting her contact information. Now she's saying the estrangement was Kate's call to make? Which is it, she wants to estrange her or wants to contact her? Maybe she slept on it and realized how idiotic it was to pretend she doesn't have her phone number?
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I think K8s call was in regards to doing the show. Deanna said that Kendra did not approve of the show.
I remember seeing a picture taken at some event with Kate, one of Kate's sisters (not Kendra) and I think Jamie years ago. At least the photographer ID'd the other woman as Kate's sister.
OT -- well sort of...
I couldn't sleep last night and was flipping through channels and landed on an oldie, "Dear Heart," (1964) with Glenn Ford and Geraldine Page. I recognized a voice. I did a double take. There was Gladys Kravitz (Alice Pearce) in the role of Miss Moore. I thought..wow...just can't escape old Gladys! The scene was a postman's convention, and ironically enough, she was center stage telling everyone that it was time to go to bed, and she was rather insistent about it, yelling, "Go to bed. Everyone go to bed!" It must have been 11:00.
I googled Gladys Kravitz Syndrome and came up with this, and it's actually amusing. Fits Milo perfectly:
http://cigrp.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-gladys-kravitz-syndrome.html
I say Deanna & Milo are talking out of their a-hole. Yes, Deanna is not the sharpest pencil in the box. Milo is just an a-hole, period! Both turn a blind eye to what Kate does. One gets paid, the other, has nothing better to do. Remember the phrase: "do as I say not as I do", this phrase fits Kate like a glove.
As for Kates TL, is that all she has to post is a RT? After, 6 days? Why is that? Could it be cause, twins appearance on TV & mag, viaing for new reality show, backfired! Or was it that Jon's interview & WW, spoke some truth, just as Jon's CT is also bring out truth about what their marriage was like. Or Cookbook flopped. Or Jon to sue for custody or custody violations and now a family member speaks out, and its not a rainbows & candy.
WOW backfired & blown up, what will Kate do next! The saga continues!
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