Funny, isn't it, how this (and other) disingenuous behaviors makes you see everything through a certain lens? I'm thinking maybe she had help in writing that Sausage Bean Bake blog entry, too. I noticed right away that she spelled "veggie" right, for a change. Not her typical spelling, before or after that.
Hummm, Other than from the photog in 2009, there are possibly no other photos of dishes TFW actually made so I wonder how many of the recipes has TFW has actually prepared or tested. Did she just re-write recipes she found somewhere like on the back of a soup can or a box of mac and cheese or get from a friend?
If the photos presented in the crookbook are inauthentic and misleading, how many of the recipes are also? See, TFW, questions and speculation like this are what you get when you are misleading and not completely authentic.
I woke up to one of our crab-apple trees full of robins this morning, so Im excited!!! Spring is in the air, woohoo! But that whole stock-photo using thing is kinda funny. And now I wonder that if she didn't cook all those foods to get photographed, if they got sampeled at all....see there is a credit in the front of the book for food styling/recipe tester :-) They even had 2 recipe testers, lol!
You got that right. Wait, 1, 2, 3...very soon! She'd say the same thing about speeding, or parking in a fire zone, or anything else that Kate does that anyone would question. "Everyone does it."
@Sassccha @A1letheia @Kateplusmy8 Wonder if @HCI_Books knew/know the photos in Kate Gosselin's crookbook were plagiarized?
Calm down, tweeters. It's not plagiarism if you pay for the use of a stock photo. It is absolutely disingenuous, inauthentic, and misleading to imply the dishes were cooked by you, but it's not illegal to use stock photos. Now, let's just hope someone at HCI did their due diligence and verified the use of ALL the photos was legit.
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I just checked Twitter, and the sleuthing has found its way over there. "Plagiarizing, perjury, criminal activities," etc. etc.
It's funny how many of them use this blog for their info and just run with it. We don't know if all of this was done within the confines of the internet law regarding stock photos, but if everything is legal, why would you distort the truth? It's amazing how many of them on Twitter use this blog as a go-to for info and disclosures, but then turn around and call posters "hags" and "pearl clutchers," when they read here religiously and post tweets about what the sleuthers here have found. Guess the "hags" are pretty darn sharp with it comes to sniffing out some of this stuff!
Kate, did you cook ANYTHING yourself that was in the book? Geez...
No of course it's not plagiarizing as long as she obtained the photo properly, which in that case meant paying istock and then removing the watermark. It's just terribly horribly unethical and misleading. Which in a way is worse. I'd rather have you just be a straight up criminal than do it so sneakily.
This book took her forever to put together. What exactly was she DOING this whole time if all she did was slap together some stock photos and call it a day?
And just for shits and giggles (and I mean that literally if you eat undercooked sausage) her famous sausage cacciatore.
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Whatever happened to those good old Menu Mondays? How are the sheeple managing without them? Let me guess. They all bought her cookbook, so there's no need for blog recipes. Right, Mlo?
She'll claim it was all HCI's doing, which it likely was. I have to believe it was cheaper for them to pay for stock photos then hire a photographer to take all those pics. Obviously they hired one for the photoshoot at home, but it looks like that was it.
Millicent said... 121 An addict or an obese person is a person who's poor choices and bad judgement just happens to be drugs and food. ***** Oh lord give me strength. Why did I waste my time posting about my own weight experience. It is pointless. Absolutely a waste of time. -------------------- Millicent, please forgive me for being so clueless. I can often be such a "duh" sometimes. Would you please enlighten me with what you are trying to say? I ask that sincerely.
The title of this blog entry is in part "Crumbs of Love" and here we are discussing yet again one of TFW's deceptions. It could also be the title of her next cook book, or should I say crock book.
So she used old photos from 2009 photographed by this Joshua guy? If so, shouldn't he be credited in her crook book?
I do not believe for one minute she cooked anything for that photo shoot. Talk about deceptive! Like I said, if a recipe photo looks appealing I will try it. The photo is very important. I would love for any sheeple who bought the crook book to come forward with their AUTHENTIC and UNBIASED reviews of what they have cooked.
But that whole stock-photo using thing is kinda funny. And now I wonder that if she didn't cook all those foods to get photographed, if they got sampeled at all....see there is a credit in the front of the book for food styling/recipe tester :-) ****************************************************
LOL! Weren't most of her "creations" pulled right off of Cook.com? She just changed 1 or 2 things? She probably poured over all the reviews and picked the ones that had the most "thumbs up!" or at least EIGHT
She'll claim it was all HCI's doing, which it likely was.
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She may say that, but when you put your name on a product, you are responsible for that product. She had a moral an ethical obligation to be honest about the photos in her product, either by forking over the money to pay a professional to shoot HER food, or to clearly label any stock photos that were NOT her food "stock photo." Anything less falls squarely on her shoulders as it is HER book and HER name, regardless what the publisher wanted to do. It was her obligation to tell her publisher that deception like that was unacceptable on HER product, and if they were not okay with that, it was her obligation to break ties with them.
That's sort of like Lance Armstrong saying well my coach was responsible for my EPO use. He helped him do it, in a way, and told him he had to do it to win, but in the end only Lance is responsible for Lance's "product."
What exactly was she DOING this whole time ****************************************************************8 Come on admin, it takes effort to get a moment's peace (in a household such as hers) to sit in your locked bedroom, in bed with your laptop and scour the net for kid approved recipes. With her being pulled away to twat something, or to catch up over here at this blog, or to have a conference call with her attorneys....there's only so many hours in a day! And then to actually COOK the recipes that made the cut? that's just asking waaay too much from poor old harried single mommie dearest.
She may say that, but when you put your name on a product, you are responsible for that product. She had a moral an ethical obligation ****************************************************************** Using the words "moral" and "ethical" will fall flat on her. She'll never see it that way. And when has she EVER taken ownership of ANYHING? Just add this to the list, starting with "society is responsible for multiples, they should be responsible in raising them" (or however she worded it) She has a freak out on the kids, it's JON's fault for not rescuing her when she's stressed. Can't wait to see if he addresses this or not.
Admin said... "This book took her forever to put together. What exactly was she DOING this whole time if all she did was slap together some stock photos and call it a day?"
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Let's not forget, all the recipes were from the 2009 failure. Maybe she had to ask Robert to email them to her from the discs he "stole". Exactly, Admin. WHAT TOOK SO LONG?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 8 This book took her forever to put together. What exactly was she DOING this whole time if all she did was slap together some stock photos and call it a day? -----------------------------
Considering how long it took her to get through all those random act emails and choose winners, the cooking and photographing for the book would have taken years. She may have used her usual excuse 'I am too busy" to get that cookbook going and done so someone offered the idea of stock photos to hurry it up because they (publisher?) didn't want it to drag it on and on and on.
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The greatest thing that I have learned from my addiction is that if I look for the lesson I'm to learn and become a better person for it, then what I've gone through becomes a good thing. There is NO ONE that can take that good away from me. NO ONE! What a great tool I have for the next trial in my life that I didn't have before.
Thank you to all who have commented about my post. There is always room for learning. Learning is NEVER bad. Hurtful sometimes, hehe, but never bad.
When Kate's book first came out, I remember thinking some of the pictures (cranberry muffin for example) actually looked pretty good. I did question whether the recipe was really Kate's recipe. But funny, I never question whether the picture was real.
I used to buy a lot of cookbooks, I probably have over 100 in my house right now. But not once did I ever question whether the picture of the recipe was not really a picture of the recipe.
I know it's not completely Kate's fault, but I have a totally different mindset now about cookbooks. What she did may be legal, but it's so misleading. And now that I've learned this is a somewhat common practice, it really bums me out.
Swings and roundabouts, that is funny! I had not connected the ”Crumbs of Love” episode title with the crook book! Plus crumbs of love is probably all the affection the children get.
I was just cleaning out some old emails and I wanted to repost this one since we were just talking about Shirley Temple:
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Margaret O'Brien and three other child stars from the Shirley Temple era were interviewed by Robert Osbourne on Turner Classic Movies awhile back. (I think Margaret can be counted as a coming through successfully).
Margaret and Jane Withers said Shirley Temple was such a hot commodity that the studio heads would not allow the less famous child stars to interact with her off the sets.
njay said... 12 Millicent said... 121 An addict or an obese person is a person who's poor choices and bad judgement just happens to be drugs and food. ***** Oh lord give me strength. Why did I waste my time posting about my own weight experience. It is pointless. Absolutely a waste of time. -------------------- Millicent, please forgive me for being so clueless. I can often be such a "duh" sometimes. Would you please enlighten me with what you are trying to say? I ask that sincerely. ------- I read over the posts on the previous page. I think what njay was saying was that if it hadn't been one addiction, it would probably be another one, because of underlying issues. I agree with that. For example, when someone uses any substance or behavior to fill some void, it can be expressed as overheating, over drinking, over spending, gambling etc. if someone has an eating addiction, then, everyone can see the evidence of it and then is free to judge them. But, since the problem involves the inability to moderate, that issue will show up in other areas. For example, people who smoke are much more likely to drink.
In the case of my husband, he drank secretly, and never appeared to be inebriated. When he went into rehab, our kids were absolutely shocked, although, as they all said, it explained a lot!
I think that njay may have used the term bad choices, etc, as a substitution for the word addiction, which may have led to misunderstanding her intentions.
That's just my opinion, of course. By the way, I heard a great description of what differentiates an addiction form a healthy dependence: a healthy dependence will always enrich your life and your relationships; an addiction will worsen your life and relationships. That was in the recent version of "Codependent No More", By Mellodie Beattie
"Once I finally decided to write this book, I certainly had no idea how much work was involved until I began the process of writing down my recipes, testing and retesting them, and then taking photos of many of the completed dishes."
Again, Katespeak. She didn't lie-she just doesn't say where the photos where taken from.
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Ex Nurse said... 148 I am sure that the fanz will claim that someone stole the pictures from her.or that all the celebrities do this.
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Marvelous find on the photos!
The great thing is that TFW or HCI cropped the photos. Someone could crop Kate's photos down but they could NOT expand them. The cropping is Kate's undoing; she can't claim someone stole her photos and used them elsewhere. It obviously went the other direction.
Let's face it, why take a photo of Cara's Sausage & Bean Bake when any cheese-smothered casserole photo will do? Just about anything could be under that thick, gloppy, greasy mess. Like what? Let's see...
#1. Shoka's rodent-dotted vomitus and his tears #2. Fabio the fish #3. The burned ashes of Kate's DWTS costumes #4. Jon's testicles (a delicacy in some cultures, btw) #5. Jimmy Hoffa
Virginia Pen Mom said... 29 Ex Nurse said... 148 I am sure that the fanz will claim that someone stole the pictures from her.or that all the celebrities do this.
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Marvelous find on the photos!
The great thing is that TFW or HCI cropped the photos. Someone could crop Kate's photos down but they could NOT expand them. The cropping is Kate's undoing; she can't claim someone stole her photos and used them elsewhere. It obviously went the other direction.
Oh, this is rich, rich, rich. ------------- I don't think that a little thing like absolute proof will stop them!
"Once I finally decided to write this book, I certainly had no idea how much work was involved until I began the process of writing down my recipes, testing and retesting them, and then taking photos of many of the completed dishes."
Again, Katespeak. She didn't lie-she just doesn't say where the photos where taken from.
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She "took" them -- right from stock photos. Cleverly worded, I might say.
Carole said... 5 @Sassccha @A1letheia @Kateplusmy8 Wonder if @HCI_Books knew/know the photos in Kate Gosselin's crookbook were plagiarized?
Calm down, tweeters. It's not plagiarism if you pay for the use of a stock photo. It is absolutely disingenuous, inauthentic, and misleading to imply the dishes were cooked by you, but it's not illegal to use stock photos. Now, let's just hope someone at HCI did their due diligence and verified the use of ALL the photos was legit.
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Calm down is right, and it's not criminal activity nor perjury, nor were the kids involved. Yes, it's deception, but if she bought these photos to use and they were properly credited, then they're not going to remove her cookbook for copyright violation. She thought nobody was going to find out. Wrong!
xxxx @ConcernedChick @A1letheia @Kateplusmy8 Out & out perjury. Her lies becoming criminal and she's involving kids. Not suitable role model IMO.
xxxx @BarbaraJean_s @A1letheia "Cara's recipe". She not only lives off kids' backs, she involves them in criminal endeavors. #kateplusmy8
I know I'm a new poster, but I have been a long time reader (like a WAY long time reader), so I want to add my "sports call" today also.
NASCAR season begins again tonight! The Unlimited/former Shootout tonight, qualifying tomorrow. I finally have something to tide me over until the NFL draft/football season starts. I don't watch basketball, baseball or hockey, but I live & die for football & racing seasons.
Anyone who has followed my twitter knows that I post a lot of pics of food I cook. And sometimes the pics don't make the food look as good as it tastes. And I've been trying out the tips from Pioneer Woman about food pics, but sometimes the pic just doesn't look appetizing. So I'm not really surprised to hear that Kate took the easy way out and bought pics to use as "her food" pics. I assumed that someone else cooked the recipes & took pics of THEIR versions, not hers. But buying pics & passing them off as her own is very much her style of doing something. Do as little as possible & get someone else to do all the real work while she takes credit for being "amazing".
This book took her forever to put together. What exactly was she DOING this whole time if all she did was slap together some stock photos and call it a day? ****** I think LIITM was in the can in 2009, and it's sat idle until Kate could figure out a way to get it published after Zondervan dropped it. It think that explains, to an extent, why the book is in parts, anachronistic- as if the kids were still toddlers and little kids, when it was written. To wit: Kate may have needed to drop Jon's name from the meatloaf, but to hell if she was going to figure out a new name for "Sloppy Joel", and forgo smearing food all over her son's face for a "cute" photo that was 5 years too late to be cute.
Did she give proper credit? I don't own the book so I can't check it out. What are stock photo's rules about publishing in a book? I do think she bought them and used them legally but to mislead everyone into thinking that they were pictures of her food is crazy. Remember when she cropped the picture of apple Halloween teeth and presented as her own in a blog? She's been doing this forever. This tweet from a non fan says it all.
@A1letheia: It isn't plagiarizing if you PAY for stock pics. it is simply lazy and misleading. And inauthentic @Kateplusmy8
I assumed that someone else cooked the recipes & took pics of THEIR versions, not hers. But buying pics & passing them off as her own is very much her style of doing something.
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But that doesn't explain why the photos don't match up with the actual recipe. If someone cooked the food for her, I would think that the dish would have the ingredients provided in the recipe. Some of the photos included (and excluded) food not in the actual recipe. Of course, the person cooking the food could have decided that Kate's recipe (or "lifted" recipe) just wasn't going to provide for a good-looking photo, and they tweaked them a bit.
Stephanie Anne @Steph_COM341 52m @Kateplusmy8 Hi! I’m writing an article for my class, would you be willing to talk to me about your experiences/advice on adult bullying?
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lololol!! Sure, that's a no-brainer! Contact BV and tell him and his minions to take down the haters! That should do it!
Why does this latest revelation not surprise me? Is there anything she CAN do that doesn't have undertones of shadyness involved?
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Right, no surprise there. Every time you peel back another layer of the Kate onion there's just more deceit. But I guess if lying to her church audiences, getting them to dig deep and help her out when she was already sitting on a pile of money doesn't bother her, a few misleading photos in her cookbook won't keep her awake at night either. She's a scam artist through and through.
I was just cleaning out some old emails and I wanted to repost this one since we were just talking about Shirley Temple:
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Margaret O'Brien and three other child stars from the Shirley Temple era were interviewed by Robert Osbourne on Turner Classic Movies awhile back. (I think Margaret can be counted as a coming through successfully).
Margaret and Jane Withers said Shirley Temple was such a hot commodity that the studio heads would not allow the less famous child stars to interact with her off the sets.
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I mentioned that again on the last thread. The 'lesser' child stars didn't hold it against Shirley though. They knew it wasn't her decision.
It could have gone to her head but thankfully she was morally incorruptible and remained so all her life.
I find it sad that I'm not surprised about the stock photos. The only thing that would truly surprise me is finding out Kate did some real work that involved effort and skill.
I'm also not surprised about Jon's overreaction on CT. He has shown consistently that he is emotionally immature. Unfortunately some people never grow up. We've all known 50 or 60 year olds who act like toddlers.
Deciding to change who you are is extremely difficult and takes long hours of therapy and lots of work. Most of us aren't up to it. After 10 years of therapy I've made tiny steps but only tiny. I thought of this with the addiction thing. Making large changes is always easier said than done.
For those poor children, it would be wonderful if at least one parent would truly work on growing and changing but it's unlikely.
If nothing else, this is proof that TFW has deceived the readers of her cookbook. If a recipe lists ingredients A, B, and C, and there's a picture beside it, the assumption is that those ingredients will create the meal in that picture. There is no other interpretation -- no matter how the sheeple will be spending their Saturday trying to defend it.
TFW's name is on that cookbook, and we heard about the hours and hours she spent working on it. She was busting her buttons with pride.
This is a biggie. Get yer popcorn! And Auntie Ann, please get to your craft table -- there should be some award-worthy spin coming from the barnyard today!
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I've got my glue gun holster buckled on and at the ready.
I know that "officially" the use of stockphoto's isn't fraud, but why and how can you sell your cookbook with the favorite recipes of your kids (what she says) not with your own photo's of those dishes. And how can you "cheat" your fans (even though its just a handful) who walk dailly through fire for you on twitter. And we know some fans are looney and rabbid but they sure are loyal to her and deserve better from their obsession! Shows how much she cares!!!!
I don't know where she bought the stock photos, but she had to sign a license agreement which spells out what is permitted and what the restrictions are that are considered copyright infringement. Just because you pay for stock photos does not give you a blanket right to publish them as your own.
I'm also not surprised about Jon's overreaction on CT. He has shown consistently that he is emotionally immature. Unfortunately some people never grow up. We've all known 50 or 60 year olds who act like toddlers. ****** I haven't watched CT on my dvr yet, but suffice to say, I'm very disappointed to hear about Jon and Liz's behavior, foul language and tantrums to boot. I know it's "reality" tv and everything is highly calculated and edited for ratings, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You can't edit behaviors in, so Jon can not blame the editing elves any more than Kate.
Here's the thing. People who have bought this cookbook don't know that it's not uncommon to use stock photos. The ones who bought this book are sheeple or just casual fans of the show. They will assume that what they are looking at are photos of the actual dish that Kate cooked. They think, wow, what an awesome cook...beautiful photos, great-looking dishes, I didn't know that bought photos are often used, but I don't buy cookbooks.
It is misleading and reeks of deception on her part. Maybe they won't care, who knows, but to imply that this is what HER finished dish looks like (sausage bake, when it may be chicken bake, or whatever) is wrong. Period.
OK so today I took my dd to visit Elizabethtown College (oh did I mention my ex, her dad came with?). Anyhow it wasn't until I saw the sign for Elizabethtown did I realize this is where J and K plus 8 was filmed. I guess since people here refer to it as E-Town LOL.
Didn't some fan tweet TFW that the dish they made from the cookbook didn't look like the pic?
Do as little as possible & get someone else to do all the real work while she takes credit for being "amazing".
You're right GKD! "Masterminding" is about as far as she takes a project - except for taking credit for it, of course. lol
As for photographing your food - I recently read a blog run by a Navy wife who said she takes her food outside every afternoon/nite to snap the pics because the light is better. I had to chuckle picturing her doing that, but also appreciate that she's so dedicated to go to that trouble.
Attention Sheeple! This is your Chief Executive Ewe! Sound the farm bell. Report to Pasture Number Eight. Wool out of eyes! This is not a drill. Repeat. This is not a drill. Set your hooves in motion. Man your barnyard. Bleat it!
I have to say that I truly don't understand the critisium and disappointment in Jon. He is not in theropy because he is doing well and is the perfect father. How is it that when he was on jk8 people critisized him for his weaknesses. Then he went private for a few years and people started to point out that he was the better person and should go rescue the kids. Now that he is willing and trying improve himself people are starting to criticize him again for his weakness. IT'S THERAPY, not miracles are us. He is the same guy, with the same weakness he had during his private life. He's the same guy that locals said he was a kind person and treated people with dignity. He's the same guy who put up with Kate for 10 years and was drug through the mud and ripped apart by TLC with out a way to defend himself. He's the same guy that has to pick his kids up at a gate, who's ex is manipulating his kids to hate him and looses almost every effort to make life at least a little better for his kids. Those wounds must be so deep and so painful for him. Who wouldn't be touchy and defensive? In my opinion, he has the right to play the victim because HE IS ONE. At least he is willing to listen to others counsel. He might pitch a fit at first but he is willing to work it out in the end.
So what that he has gone through therapy before and we don't see a change. Do you know that the statistic's are 3 out of 5 children who's parent carries the gene of addiction will also carry that gene? Do you know that 1 out of 5 people in rehab will stay sober? As long as he loves his kids, he and the woman he chooses doesn't harm them, and he is willing to self evaluate himself and work towards improving, I couldn't care less what comes out of his mouth. It will take a long time and hard work to remove the scars and scabs TLC, Kate, and the public inflicted on him.
The only wishy washy I see are the people that keep changing their mind over 10 to 15 minutes of filming and what they have read on the rag mags. There is no one who knows the final product from CT and what he has improved on. IT'S NOT OVER. I say again, cut him some slack.
Pioneer Woman does not use stock photos, I'd stake my life on it. She does a lot of the photography herself, she is very good, and I"m sure for full cookbooks she has a whole photoshoot team.
I think when they say this is common practice they're talking more about second tier books, if that's a term. Books that aren't going to make any best sellers lists or sell thousands of copies but quick vanity projects thrown together or a "content farm" type book thrown together just to make money on Amazon for a few months than on to the next ebook money maker. I'm shocked but not really that Kate has lumped herself into that group and not just forked over the money to be more professional.
I always thought that "bean bake" pic looked exactly like a chicken enchilada I used to get all the time at a local restaurant. Now the bean bake from her "blog" looks like a bean bake.
I've been watching the Jon/Kate fiasco play out on this website for several years. I am waiting for the day when Kate has to finally take responsibility for her life and accept the fact that she's really only famous for being the wife from hell. I had hopes for Jon, but with his new Kate-like partner, his unhealthy habits and horrible language, I've given up on him. I believe him when he implies that he doesn't want kids in his life. He and Kate are horrible excuses for parents.
I'm shocked but not really that Kate has lumped herself into that group and not just forked over the money to be more professional.
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Maybe she knew from the get-go that this was a last ditch attempt to stay relevant and she really didn't expect it to go anywhere, therefore she went el-cheapo on it.
I think when they say this is common practice they're talking more about second tier books, if that's a term ****** Agreed. The big Food Network names are not going to use stock photos. Thomas Keller-caliber chefs sure as hell aren't going to use stock photos. In this age of e books, one of the few remaining reasons to buy a dead tree book is if it's a tome, if it has amazing, palpable photos and if the body of the work is a progressive tool for improving your cooking prowess. The generic dump and stir and church recipe cookbooks are ubiquitous, and so yeah, I can see how someone who puts out a cookbook without having any discernible cooking talent would skip photographing yet another tuna casserole, another meatloaf, another wrap sandwich. Seen one, seen them all. None of Kate's recipes are dishes that are unique, or that you can't imagine on your own. The higher-level books, with unique recipes have to be held to a higher standard. Bottom line is that Kate's book is full of swill, and she knows it. Why go the extra mile to make it look anything more than what it is- basic can and box cooking. She should have just skipped the photos, but then, her book would be thinner than the Casey Anthony fan club's. Hell, she filled two whole pages with boxed mac and cheese and canned tuna!
localyocul said... 61 I always thought that "bean bake" pic looked exactly like a chicken enchilada I used to get all the time at a local restaurant. Now the bean bake from her "blog" looks like a bean bake. February 15, 2014 at 3:06 PM ***** Even if you do use stock photos, wouldn't you proof them and say, "hey, this photo for my bean bake? Where's the beans?? Find another photo, not this greasy gloop that could be anything.
One important thing with food photography is that you have to give the viewer a sense of what's in the dish. Braises and casseroles are tough. The former is generally brown, brown, brown, and the latter is sometimes covered with a topping, be it cheese, or breadcrumbs. You have to show what's actually in the dish- plate it, garnish it, arrange it, just show the viewer what they're eating. That stock photo of the bean casserole is just lazy and embarrassing.
njay said... 59 ''I have to say that I truly don't understand the critisium and disappointment in Jon. He is not in theropy because he is doing well and is the perfect father.'' ''..... In my opinion, he has the right to play the victim because HE IS ONE. At least he is willing to listen to others counsel. He might pitch a fit at first but he is willing to work it out in the end.'' ''.......As long as he loves his kids, he and the woman he chooses doesn't harm them, and he is willing to self evaluate himself and work towards improving, I couldn't care less what comes out of his mouth. It will take a long time and hard work to remove the scars and scabs TLC, Kate, and the public inflicted on him.'' ''....There is no one who knows the final product from CT and what he has improved on. IT'S NOT OVER. I say again, cut him some slack.'' ~~~~~~~ THANK YOU! I agree with every word you posted, but the parts I quoted are what I consider the bottom line about Jon and CT.
Also, I'm not forgetting that he made enough money doing CT to be able to get a five bedroom house near his children, and to hire an attorney to force TCFW to stop keeping his children from him. I think it is admirable that he did what he had to do to get the money he needed. How many times have many of us said that we would do ANYTHING to help our children? Jon did CT.
I looked at a couple of Ree Drummond's book, and they say "All pictures by Ree Drummond, except.." and she then lists the photos that are exceptions and credits the photographer.
I also looked at Ann Romney's cookbook, and she lists credits for each and every photo in her book. She lists them by recipe, and she did use some photos from Shutterstock. She not only credits Shutterstock but also names the photographer who took those pictures.
Kate, however, just gives a general photographic credit, without saying which pictures were taken by whom or where they came from.
Kate, on the other hand, just gives general photo credits and hopes that her fans won't find out her deception that the pictures aren't of food that she actually cooked.
Over And Out said... 58 Attention Sheeple! This is your Chief Executive Ewe! Sound the farm bell. Report to Pasture Number Eight. Wool out of eyes! This is not a drill. Repeat. This is not a drill. Set your hooves in motion. Man your barnyard. Bleat it!
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Okay, now you've got me wondering what would have happened if Michael Jackson had been a sheeple.
Just Bleat It, Bleat It, Bleat It, Bleat It Sheeple Won't Be Defeated Showin' How Funky Strong Is Your Fight It Doesn't Matter, Kate's Wrong is Right Just Bleat It, Bleat It Just Bleat It, Bleat It Just Bleat It, Bleat It Just Bleat It, Bleat It
(Sung with one gloved hoof in the air, the other hoof grabbing your crotch.)
PJ (I've got this song stuck in my head now. Thanks Over and Out)
I wonder if the prarie woman or whatever her name is (Ree?) used any stock photos. ******************************************************* Nope. I have two of her cookbooks. Her first book "Pioneer Woman Cooks", - all photographs by Ree Drummond except: Title page Ace Cuervo, page 1 Winston's Photography pages 3,6 (upper left), 240 Bill Nuygard
Her newest book "A Year of Holidays": All photographs by Ree Drummond except title page, by Marlboro Man, and the vintage family photos courtesy of Ree Drummond
I don't have any of her books, but Pioneer Woman's website always shows step-by-step directions as she puts the dish together. That should have been an indication that something was fishy in Kate's book. There was no, do this, click, do that, click. None of that. Just throw it all in a pot and look at the miracle results. And Voila! Duped 'em again.
Are you able to see the comments on ROL with no trouble? I usually can, but not for the past few days for some reason. Wonder if it's my computer maybe?I think the less people hear and see Jon on TV, the better..in bigger doses, what you get isn't always what you thought he was. Plus his management needs to tell him that sometimes, the "real" Jon, isn't really what people want to see...they like the sanitized version better.
I haven't had a problem, winsomeone. But I don't read them all, just the ones that show up before having to hit 'load more'. And I agree with you. I like Sanitized (fake?) Jon way better than Real Jon! lol
How is it that all of Kates pizza pics are so terrible &/or burnt looking? Geez, I made got a tombstone pizza, and added some onion, kale & spinach, and mushroom to the sausage delux, and I even left it in the oven an extra 10 mins and it never burned , in fact it look real good and was real good. I wonder if, why her pizza burns, cause she uses an electric oven, I've heard stories over the years, that electric ovens burn more food than gas ovens? Anyone? I have a gas oven. Even that wedding soup did not look good. Kate can manage to ruin food.
Also, I'm not forgetting that he made enough money doing CT to be able to get a five bedroom house near his children, and to hire an attorney to force TCFW to stop keeping his children from him.
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Is he renting or did he purchase the property? Did he ever say, other than that they moved?
Njay and RemonaBlue -- Exactly! It's also very, very difficult to learn to overcome trauma, and trust me, Jon experienced a lot of trauma from his dealings with TFMJG. It takes YEARS, even decades, to learn to compensate for it. Some people work for a lifetime without truly recovering. Just when you think you have it licked, a sight, a smell, a sound can throw you right back into the event. If Jon doesn't have at least mild PTSD from over 15 years of dealing with TFMJG and her tantrums and her manipulation and her abuse, then he's a lot stronger person than anyone gives him credit for.
Another thing -- people who toot the personal responsibility horn -- Yes, people need to take responsibility for their actions. However, remember that reasons are not excuses. There's always a reason for a behavior. That doesn't excuse the behavior, but it goes a long way toward explaining it, learning to deal with it, and learning to overcome it.
OK so today I took my dd to visit Elizabethtown College (oh did I mention my ex, her dad came with?). Anyhow it wasn't until I saw the sign for Elizabethtown did I realize this is where J and K plus 8 was filmed. I guess since people here refer to it as E-Town LOL.
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The old homestead is right off the E-town exit of 283. I mean right off the exit. Very easy to find. You should have gotten a close look at it!
You should have told me you were coming. We could have had a few Rumspringas in the snow/rain event today. I hear more accumulating snow in the forecast for Tuesday morning, This has got to stop.
getofftwitter said... 76 How is it that all of Kates pizza pics are so terrible &/or burnt looking? I wonder if, why her pizza burns, cause she uses an electric oven, I've heard stories over the years, that electric ovens burn more food than gas ovens?
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That's no excuse for burnt food. Electric ovens can be calibrated if they're too hot or not hot enough. So can gas ovens. It's a fairly simple operation. Check google.
I think the reason her food always looks so terrible is because she can't cook. Period.
I wonder if, why her pizza burns, cause she uses an electric oven, I've heard stories over the years, that electric ovens burn more food than gas ovens? Anyone? I have a gas oven.
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I have an electric oven, and our pizza never burns. I didn't think that it looked too burned in the last photo...at least not compared to other ones. Her pizzas usually look very dark, but the dough seems to be on the raw side.
Over And Out said... 78 ''Is he renting or did he purchase the property? Did he ever say, other than that they moved?'' ~~~~~~~~~~ I have no idea if he leased or purchased the property. If leased, just the first and last month and damage deposit would probably be more than Jon could have managed on his waiter job w/o having to save for a long time. Without CT, the cost of hiring an attorney would have been way out of sight, I'd think. Is it important if he is renting or not? If so, why do you think it matters?
O.T. but relevant to Pennsylvania's new "Gosselin law," the anxiety of children on reality TV, and child predators placed on the sets of reality TV shows:
Kelly Hyland of "Dance Moms" is suing Abby Lee Miller, Collins Avenue Entertainment and Lifetime.
I had all but stopped watching this distressing show, but I did watch a few episodes recently. It's clear that Lifetime is trying to goad as much bad behavior as possible. The lawsuit stems from a physical fight last week between Abby Lee and Kelly, which apparently was real.
A few excerpts from the article:
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Hyland, who has known Miller since childhood, had both of her daughters in the Pittsburgh dance school since before Lifetime made it famous. Hyland said it soon became clear “the children on the show were being subjected to abusive and unlawful working conditions.” She said they worked long hours without a break in violation of Pennsylvania labor laws.
She says she began to complain about the extreme burden this placed on her daughters during season two of the show. She had her attorney raise the subject but says she was told they were under contract and she would be sued for “everything she owned if she attempted to back out of the contract.”
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Daughter Paige began to suffer from anxiety and have panic attacks, according to the suit, and a counselor at her school “concluded Paige was being bullied by Miller.”
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There is also a reference to the show hiring a choreographer, who is not named, who was later charged with child sexual assault and possession of child pornography.
TFW could learn a lot of lessons on writing cooking blogs and doing cooking demonstrations just by reading other cooking blogs and watch amateur cooking shows on youtube. I have found great blogs and videos (and not so good ones). TFW is too lazy to actually do actual work. She just wants the big payday.
I thumbed through the book at a book store today. It was on clearance. The large number of servings per recpie in her cookbook are not practical for most families. It would have been better to have a chapter in the beginning on how to adjust recipes to increase or reduce serving size. There is also no real theme in the book.Small cookbooks usually have a theme or place in the market. Her book will only appeal to a small portion of fans who dont care about the content.
FYI if you want another good cooking blog then look at budget bytes. She has recipes with cost breakdowns. Its helped me slash my grocery bill in half. The author also has a book but I have not seen it in local stores.
Bitchy Pants said... 80 ''....Just when you think you have it licked, a sight, a smell, a sound can throw you right back into the event. If Jon doesn't have at least mild PTSD from over 15 years of dealing with TFMJG and her tantrums and her manipulation and her abuse, then he's a lot stronger person than anyone gives him credit for....'' ~~~~~~~~ Exactly! When I watched Jon's reaction to that ''fun test'', my first thought was that it triggered a PTSD sense memory! Jon SAID that was what he was feeling.
I know that decades later, the sound of a door slamming anywhere triggers a reaction from me. Even all these years later, I am very very aware of people in my space, and w/o realizing it, I make certain that I am an arms length away from the person, even though I'm in zero danger of being grabbed and smacked around.
This is from the "chemistry" section of Plenty of Fish, the company that gave the compatability test:
The POF Relationship Chemistry Predictor (POFCP) measures five broad dimensions of personality that are each essential for building a romantic relationship. We measure... Factor 1: Self-Confidence This dimension was created to measure the extent to which an individual feel comfortable with him or herself. The items in this dimension reflect elements of self-confidence in both private and public contexts. Factor 2: Family Orientation This dimension was developed to assess the degree to which a person possess a family orientation. Factor 3: Self-Control This dimension measures the extent to which a person exerts control over sundry aspects of their lives and the lives of others. Factor 4: Social Dependency/Openness This dimension measures the extent to which a person is open to and dependent upon other people. Factor 5: Easygoingness This dimension taps into characteristics associated with being relaxed and psychologically flexible. -We then generate matches for you from a statistical model based on thousands of successful couples who have taken our chemistry test. ------------ I am curious as to what the actual questions were that said that they were both low in family orientation. Something along the lines of," which would you rather do--go to the zoo with your family, or a night of drinking and driveway pissing?"
Anonymous said... 82 getofftwitter said... 76 How is it that all of Kates pizza pics are so terrible &/or burnt looking? I wonder if, why her pizza burns, cause she uses an electric oven, I've heard stories over the years, that electric ovens burn more food than gas ovens?
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That's no excuse for burnt food. Electric ovens can be calibrated if they're too hot or not hot enough. So can gas ovens. It's a fairly simple operation. Check google.
I think the reason her food always looks so terrible is because she can't cook. Period.
PJ ****** Electric ovens are in no way inferior to gas and do not burn food. People burn food. Kate's pizzas usually have burnt cheese. Two things. First is that she apparently drowns the dough in tomato sauce, which will make the crust take longer to cook and will also make getting nice color on the bottom difficult. Second is that Kate, being Kate, probably uses the lowest fat cheese she can. That lack of fat and moisture in the cheese will leave it prone to drying out and burning. Tip- Try topping your homemade pizza with cheese(s) first, then your pizza sauce. Give it a drizzle of olive oil before sliding it into the oven.
I have an electric oven, and our pizza never burns. I didn't think that it looked too burned in the last photo...at least not compared to other ones. Her pizzas usually look very dark, but the dough seems to be on the raw side. ****** In fact, the hotter, the better. Indoors, in my oven, we cook pizza on a stone. I preheat the oven for an hour as high as it goes, 500 degrees. If I could crank it higher, I would. Commercial pizza ovens cook at upwards of 800-900 degrees.
It would have been better to have a chapter in the beginning on how to adjust recipes to increase or reduce serving size.
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Would anyone, other than the sheeple, really need this? The recipe feeds eight. You want to feed four. You halve the amount of ingredients. The recipe feeds six. You want to feed twelve. You double the ingredients.
Remona asked..." Is it important if he is renting or not? If so, why do you think it matters?"
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It was a question, Remona. Just a question. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter. I remember it coming up on tab sites, as well as on Twitter, that he bought a new house. I didn't remember if he said somewhere that he and Liz bought a place near Kate. or if they are renting, or if he said that they moved to a new place. There was some discussion that perhaps one of this motives for doing CT was so that he had money to buy a new place near his children. I was curious, that's all
Of course, curiosity killed the cat, or so they say.
Over And Out said... 96 Remona asked..." Is it important if he is renting or not? If so, why do you think it matters?" -------------------------- It was a question, Remona. Just a question. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter. ~~~~~~~~~ As were my questions. Just questions. Thank you for the response to my questions, which answered my curiosity...almost getting us sideways w/each other!
Ex Nurse said... 27 njay said... 12 Millicent said... 121 An addict or an obese person is a person who's poor choices and bad judgement just happens to be drugs and food. Ex Nurse..... I read over the posts on the previous page. I think what njay was saying was that if it hadn't been one addiction, it would probably be another one, because of underlying issues. ------------------ Thank you Ex Nurse. That is a lot of what I was trying to say. The core meaning of what I meant was, others behavior (bad choices) can be and are just as hurtful to those around them as my (bad choices) addiction is to those around me.
What made me want to say what I did was because I was thinking about the harsh comment that gastric bypasses are just wrong. Thank God I'm far enough in my recovery to not be offended by that comment. I did think though, it was important to my recovery to educate that bad choices (speaking our mind) can be as hurtful to others as my addiction is hurtful to all those around me.
I don't know about you but I was lied to when I was little. I was told that sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me. Well, I have had many broken bones but they have never hurt as bad as some of the things people have said to me. The recovery for a wounded soul/spirit takes forever. Most of the time it's not the words that are said that hurts, it's the delivery. It can heal or it can kill.
It would be horrible to stand in the judgement and be told that not being able to control my tongue killed someones spirit. Or that someone took their life because my words made them feel less than human. Kindness is so needed these days.
I was just mentally adding up all the fake stuff Kate has done to weasel money or goods out of people and my mind froze. I can't count that high.
I think it all started with marrying Jon to get free dental work, then escalated from there. I wonder who paid for the fertility treatments, because I highly doubt it came out of her pocket.
Wherever it started, it's gone all the way to the fake photos in her uncookbook (which I will now christen it) with thousands freebies and millions of dollars in between. All gotten by duping people into handing whatever it she wants over to her. What I find incredible is that she's still at it and she still has fans.
I had hopes for Jon, but with his new Kate-like partner, his unhealthy habits and horrible language, I've given up on him. I believe him when he implies that he doesn't want kids in his life. He and Kate are horrible excuses for parents. ____________________________________
Yes, yes and yes. I hope people in the future will be kind to the G8 because they're certainly having a rough childhood/teen years.
If leased, just the first and last month and damage deposit would probably be more than Jon could have managed on his waiter job w/o having to save for a long time. _____________________
Then why not work in IT? The guy tells a different story all the time. I can't keep them all straight any longer.
It would be horrible to stand in the judgement and be told that not being able to control my tongue killed someones spirit. Or that someone took their life because my words made them feel less than human. Kindness is so needed these days. __________________________________________________
njay, it sounds like therapy is helping you. I hope you continue until you are fully healed. Being a victim isn't fun for you and everyone around you. Good luck! :)
POF? Not Plenty of Fish. That hack free dating web site that's really just a giant hook up playground for cheaters and those too cheap to go on eharmony? I still haven't seen the web site but I wouldn't put any stock in PLENTY OF FISH. How ridiculous.
My biggest criticism of Ree is that she will post literally every photo she took in the roll.
I'm a big believer in taking however many photos you need to take, but only posting one or two of the best ones. When you post the whole roll it takes away from the one or two really spectacular ones you got and makes you look like just another mediocre photographer.
I don't think she is really spending much time growing as a photographer. Her photographs have plateaued and in some cases have actually gone downhill. She's not studying, reading or practicing, but that's understandable given how busy she is now with Food Network and all her other endeavors. The shooting days she describes sound marathon.
Weirdo Watcher @Weirdo_Watcher · Feb 14 Jon Gosselin scores LOW in the family orientation category ! Good thing for the kids Kate Gosselin gets an AAAAAAA++++ #CouplesTherapy @VH1
Weirdo Watcher @Weirdo_Watcher · Feb 14 @Chablis4u @VH1 Kate Gosselin A+takes that test everday when shes home feeding clothing loving & being their only provider. Jon skipped out
LetsDanceBaby @LetsDance99 · Feb 13 Damn John has become so ------!! EWW!! @CouplesTherapyV #ShouldntHaveCheated on @Kateplusmy8 😏 #vh1
Chablis @Chablis4u · Feb 13 @LetsDance99 @CouplesTherapyV @Kateplusmy8 I think Kate cheated first. :)
LetsDanceBaby @LetsDance99 · Feb 13 @Chablis4u @CouplesTherapyV @Kateplusmy8 either way #BARF
Jon's taking a beating on twitter. *sigh* I wish he would have stayed private, like he said he would. He's only helping Kate look better now.
I also looked at Ann Romney's cookbook, and she lists credits for each and every photo in her book. She lists them by recipe, and she did use some photos from Shutterstock. She not only credits Shutterstock but also names the photographer who took those pictures.
Kate, however, just gives a general photographic credit, without saying which pictures were taken by whom or where they came from.
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This is where her M.O. reminds me SO much of Lance Armstrong. Tons of guys did exactly what he did in races, but they all came forward, owned up to it, and were remorseful. He continued the lie forever. It got to the point where so many people were saying it's not what you did, it's the lying that so much worse.
If she wants to make a cookbook on the cheap and has to use stock photos to get it off the ground, well then that's what you have to do. But be honest about it like other cooks have. The lies by omission and careful word play are not anything to be respected.
Thanks, guys for the info on electric ovens. Like I said, those were stories I had always heard. I always thought, it's the cook, who was not watching. Yes, her cheese is always on the burnt side. Even the order pizza, hardly ever comes looking like that. It looks so unedible. I also have a presto pizza cooker, I got about 10 years ago, at Walmarts end of season sale, for $20. Cooks pizza, wonderfully, never burns it. Found out it cooks other things too. Before xmas I got a toaster oven on sale,(I got that for the summer months, so I can have baked shrimp, fish, etc, so I don't heat up kitchen) and have not tried pizza yet in it. Has anyone cook pizza in a toaster oven, how does it turn out?
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Oh how I wish Jon had not gone on CT. It is such pure absolute trash, and if I knew him only by what I saw on the last show, I would not like him at all. I really don't like Liz. She is cold, hard, disgusting and I can't even imagine her being a mother. I hope she is better at mothering than I think she must be. What a step back for Jon. Shame on him.
Admin said POF? Not Plenty of Fish. That hack free dating web site that's really just a giant hook up playground for cheaters and those too cheap to go on eharmony? I still haven't seen the web site but I wouldn't put any stock in PLENTY OF FISH. How ridiculous. -------- Yeah, I kind of guessed that when they said that the fact that they both smoke and drink were important things to have in common.
Bitchy, reasons are so frequently classified by some posters as "excuses" or "a pass" that I find it frustrating to discuss reasons. Looking for reasons and explanation is not a pass or an excuse but that's not how people see it.
"TFW could learn a lot of lessons on writing cooking blogs and doing cooking demonstrations just by reading other cooking blogs and watch amateur cooking shows on youtube. I have found great blogs and videos (and not so good ones). TFW is too lazy to actually do actual work. She just wants the big payday."
I don't think she has the foggiest notion how hard somebody like Pioneer Woman has worked to learn, then strengthen and mold her craft so that she can put together a great web site, T.V. show and cookbook that thousands read and depend on and that has CREDIBILITY. PW is but one example of the many talented women out there who have done the same. It's sort of like Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 hours theory, that you need 10,000 of practice/study to truly be good at something. 100 hours won't cut it. Nor will even 1,000. I have no doubt that the Pioneer Women of the world have put in 10,000 hours at it if not 20,000, while the Kate's of the world are still plodding away at 1,000 or so.
And there's nothing wrong with that, that's fine if you don't want to dedicate yourself that much to your projects, but please don't prey upon ignorant fans who lap up anything you put out there and line your pockets with their hard earned money selling inferior and sometimes deceptive products.
Millicent, please forgive me for being so clueless. I can often be such a "duh" sometimes. Would you please enlighten me with what you are trying to say? I ask that sincerely. ***** No. I have no desire to continue the convo on this particular subject.
On the subject of Kate's cookbook photos - it's no surprise she lifted some from elsewhere and did not give credit. That fits her personality to a T.
As I read comments re Jon's appearance on CT, it makes me glad I'm not bothering to watch the show.
Gigi said... 102 Yes, yes and yes. I hope people in the future will be kind to the G8 because they're certainly having a rough childhood/teen years. -------------------- I find it sad that people well wish the G8 because of what they are going through as children. To bad we don't have a window into Jon's childhood. I wonder what he went through that is causing him to act the way he does and make the choices he is making. Every one of us are the product of what we have gone through in life. Just because we are grown doesn't mean we deserve less compassion and kindness. Jon has a good heart. That makes a strong foundation to build upon. Though the house may start to crumble, if the foundation is sound it can always be built back up.
By the way Gigi, thanks for your kind words to me.
Ulysses said... 113 I think there should be a distinction made between posters who comment here and the horrific things Kate's haters say on twitter.
I'd hate for anyone to see those disgusting tweets full of hyperbole and then judge us ALL for that behaviour.
What do the others here think? I find they hurt our cause of speaking out for the Gosselin kids instead of helping it. ? February 15, 2014 at 8:57 PM ******** The twitter haters and sites like RWA are/were in a different league than 15 minutes. A sane conversation here can turn into an insane barrage of of hyperbolic and baseless tweets that litter Kate's Twitter timeline. Just look at the accusations of plagiarizing photos because we discovered many or most of the food photos in LIITM are stock photos. We're intelligent and circumspect enough to consider that Kate paid for the rights to use the photos, but it's still deceiving and misleading on many levels. Not illegal, but amoral. Personally, I don't give a shite what the Twitter haters tweet to Kate. It's not my problem and if someone can't discern the difference between what's rigorously and respectfully discussed here and the excrement that's flung on Kate's timeline, it's just not my problem.
Let them play in their sandbox and we'll play in ours ;-)
I also have a presto pizza cooker, I got about 10 years ago, at Walmarts end of season sale, for $20. Cooks pizza, wonderfully, never burns it. Found out it cooks other things too. Before xmas I got a toaster oven on sale,(I got that for the summer months, so I can have baked shrimp, fish, etc, so I don't heat up kitchen) and have not tried pizza yet in it. Has anyone cook pizza in a toaster oven, how does it turn out? ****** I'm generally not one for single-function gadgets in the kitchen, but people seem to really like their pizza cookers! They don't take up too much room and do the job with much less energy. Preheating a 30-inch oven takes a lot more time and $. Very cool that you got it so cheap! I have a toaster oven that I kept after buying and using it for a kitchen remodel. It's great for heating slices of Ellio's pizza- a remnant of my childhood days that I just can't let go of! I also still plug the toaster oven in for baking potatoes or heating frozen apps or chicken wings. Again, it's fast and much less costly than heating a big oven cavern.
Then why not work in IT? The guy tells a different story all the time. I can't keep them all straight any longer.
Jon has explained that he enjoys working w/people in the restaurant setting, was sick of being in a cubicle, and the restaurant work allows him the flexibility to do things w/his kids. He's also stated that if/when he gets full custody and if needs more income that he'd consider going back to IT work. I don't see anything confusing about what he's said.
Needs change and he's been fortunate to be able to find employment that will allow him flexibility. I remember one job he had out of town, maybe out of state, when he was called home due to a sick child because TFW was incommunicado and it the long commute was a real problem for him. He switched to a job closer to home and that allowed him to be better available.
This is where her M.O. reminds me SO much of Lance Armstrong. Tons of guys did exactly what he did in races, but they all came forward, owned up to it, and were remorseful. He continued the lie forever. It got to the point where so many people were saying it's not what you did, it's the lying that so much worse. ****** It remind me of John Edwards, who whose duplicity and subterfuge was more disdainful than his cheating on his terminally ill wife, if that's even possible.
If she wants to make a cookbook on the cheap and has to use stock photos to get it off the ground, well then that's what you have to do. But be honest about it like other cooks have. The lies by omission and careful word play are not anything to be respected. ******* The biggest BS is Kate once again couching her need to make a book as "doing it for the children". There's no reason to sell a book, and not keep it private anymore. It's just too easy to publish a beautiful book on your own. There are many websites, like SnapFish, that allow you to make gorgeous, hard cover, glossy books, and give them to family.
Re: Dance Mom Kelly suing Abby - what a joke. I hate to admit I watch the show but y'all got me hooked a few years ago when the show was discussed here and I've continued to tune in because I wanted to see the girls' dancing progress - and boy have they!
Kelly asserted on the show that she was goaded/provoked into assaulting Abby; she pulled her hair and scratched her. Abby was her usual self and antagonistic but hey, Kelly - you are responsible for your actions - own them. Abby called the NY police while Kelly and the girls ran to a waiting car and took off. Interesting note: I thought it was kind of convenient that a car w/driver was waiting for them at the back door. They were both wrong w/their behavior but you don't assault someone whether they provoked you (pretended to be munching on your finger, lol) or not!
As for the working conditions - unless Abby owns the production company, it's not Abby's responsibility for the kids working long hours - it's the production company and parents. Unless Abby owns the production company I don't see how she'd be responsible for filming conditions. If they don't like Abby, feel she's overworking or bullying their kids then they should take their kids out of her classes! But Kelly can't/won't because of the national tv exposure they're getting from the show, especially w/Brooke's singing, ermmm, 'auto-tune' career.
UGH, I can't stand the behavior of most of the moms and I can't stand the way Abby is so rude to the girls. And, I don't know how much of what is shown on tv is real and how much is scripted.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 107 My biggest criticism of Ree is that she will post literally every photo she took in the roll. ********* I don't like when I have to scroll through macro views of every. single. step. of. the. recipe. I know how to stir, I don't need a visual of scrambling eggs etc. Just show me the recipe! Where is it? 50 barely different pictures of brownies is a bit too precious, too.
My biggest criticism of Ree at this point is that she's using her children in her episodes. Her kids aren't just incidental anymore, they're part of the story arc.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 9h Goodnight! Hoping we don't wake to 5 more inches of snow tomorrow so we can get out and about finally... #toomuchsnow #winterbegone
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For Pete's sakes, Kate, we've been out and about since Friday. All we had yesterday was a rain and snow mix that never laid on the ground. If she'd check the weather report, she'd see that they wouldn't be waking up to snow today. Looks like Milo just isn't doing her job with the weather alerts. What really gets me about TFW are the exaggerations. I guess she thinks that there are no locals who can call her out on her tall tales.
Since Plenty of Fish compatibility test is used with dating couples on a free dating website I felt the family orientation questions were more along the lines of whether you wanted to have children with the significant other. Jon and Liz are well past that and in fact I don't think that topic should have even pertained to them. Especially after seeing Jon & Liz's reaction to their score on this factor, like WTH, we love our families and being parents, we just don't want more children together. I don't think it meant at all that they didn't want to be parents, nor that they were not oriented to being a family unit.
***Since I wrote the above, I set up a fake POF profile to take a look at their relationship chemistry test. Yeah, I know I should get a life. lol (I was waiting for DH to get ready for church and had 10 min)
Out of 73 questions I only found 2 that in any way looked relevant to 'family orientation'. #7 I would much rather eat dinner at a restaurant than at home #22 I would like to have children in the near future
Some of the other questions were: I want my children to speak English Most of my ex-partners would take me back I tend to work too long and hard My religion is very important to me I like to take care of all the details when doing things Money is extremely important in my life I am sensitive to other people's feelings I tend to avoid questions about my personal life When I'm in a relationship, I can be critical of my partner
The user ranks the question's importance from agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, or disagree.
The Q about smoking and drinking was in the profile section and all it asked was did you smoke or drink and then whether you ONLY dated someone who did the same, was a deal breaker, etc.
POF said they base their results on statistics and I can't even pretend to know what those might be, but the only thing I can assume from CT is that Jon and Liz test results didn't reveal anything controversial about their relationship, so they took ONE question's results and made a big deal about it. It's much ado about nothing, IMO. I can see where Jon was coming from though -- he felt the producers were manipulating something inconsequential and making it into something it wasn't and since I believe family is important to Jon, I can see why he'd be upset. It appears the show took one question and applied the results to suit their purposes. An all to familiar reality tv occurrence.
Just reminds me of an interview Jay Leno did with Charlie Sheen (they were discussing Lance Armstrong). He said "Americans will accept almost anything except hypocrisy." If you are honest about who you are and what you did people will forgive you much faster for your mistakes. They had mentioned how creepy it was that Armstrong not only lied about what he was doing but viciously went after and ruined the lives of those who spoke out against him.
What really gets me about TFW are the exaggerations. I guess she thinks that there are no locals who can call her out on her tall tales. ****** It was fascinating to read Polly's (Small Town Gosselins) account of filming at the corn maze for Kate +8, and seeing Kate and TLC's version, edited for maximum effect. Kate crowed about being glad they ate a big meal before going to the corn maze, because, wow! It was hard! As if they spent hours there. In reality, they spend a whopping 20 minutes, with Kate stomping through the field in her 4" spiked heel boots, screaming at the kids to not walk through the corn, then walking through the corn to get out and do her cameo with the one of the boys.
Regarding the haters. You summed it up perfectly, better than I could have said it. There are one or two on there who tweet the most disgusting things to Kate...things that are just not acceptable, no matter how you look at it. They are so fast to jump on things they read here, and then twist and turn them to suit their purposes. They accuse Kate of lying, but what they do is exactly the same thing. Knowing Kate's penchant for suing, I think I'd be extremely careful of tweeting to her that she's involved in criminal activity.
I look at some of those tweets and think that they have some serious mental issues going on in their own lives that cause them to live on Twitter for the purpose of lashing out with such anger and vile tweets. There's no other explanation.
Formerly Duped said... 131 What's with all these RTs of love from various states and regions- even world-wide, lol on TFW's twitter. ===============
It all started with this tweet:
Amber Kenney @Prettybowes · 14h @Kateplusmy8 RT for super fans in Iowa! :) Thanks!
Kate retweeted it, and then some more fans asked the same thing(for a different area). Kate retweeted 6 more. So now, of course, more are jumping on the bandwagon and are trying to get Kate to retweet their tweet, because you know they will all just die if they get a retweet from their idol.
What's with all these RTs of love from various states and regions- even world-wide, lol on TFW's twitter.
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They are bots. What's making them show up now is anyone's guess. You can always tell because most of the bots, but not all, use photos of "real" people, rather than avatars of flowers, landscapes, etc.
I can see where Jon was coming from though -- he felt the producers were manipulating something inconsequential and making it into something it wasn't and since I believe family is important to Jon, I can see why he'd be upset. It appears the show took one question and applied the results to suit their purposes. An all to familiar reality tv occurrence.
See, this is the sort of thing that irks me about Jon. He repeatedly places himself in the role of victim, and then cries foul.
Why would he get upset by this, when he knows full well the nature of celeb-reality TV, in which CT is known for being a "player"? He knows, from a depth and breadth of experience, how story lines get skewed and exaggerated for maximum effect, so why did the test results bother him so much? And to the larger point, why oh why did he sign up for this CT gig, knowing, as he must have, that he might at some point be manipulated, yet again? Money's a consideration, I get that, but where do you draw the line? Sad to say, the truth is that he pimped himself out, yet again, to the highest bidder. And his kids, too, by proxy.
For anyone who wants to read the lawsuit that Kelly Hyland of Dance Moms is filing against Abby Lee Miller and the production company. The behind-the-scenes details of children in reality TV are very revealing. One interesting tidbit is that the children work 60 hours a week for each 42-minute episode, meaning the children work more than an hour for every minute shown on TV. People like Milo who think filming reality TV is all fun and games and big bucks for children really need to open their eyes.
Isn't it interesting that another sexual predator showed up on this reality TV set, too? These creeps must flock to these situations because of the lack of background checks (right?) and regulations, the long hours with children, and in this case the skimpy costumes.
Also, it's clear that the "stars" (used loosely) of these shows--the Kate Gosselins and Abby Lee Millers--become raging megalomaniacs due to the adulation and money.
Then some of the children--Gosselins and Paige Hyland--show stress, anxiety, depression, withdrawal.
Page 21-23 is a contractual letter giving the amounts the Hylands were paid per episode, for bonuses, etc. If you sell your soul to the devil, what will you be paid? There it is.
Personally, I don't give a shite what the Twitter haters tweet to Kate. It's not my problem and if someone can't discern the difference between what's rigorously and respectfully discussed here and the excrement that's flung on Kate's timeline, it's just not my problem.
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That's how I feel about it. There has been this small group of over the top "haters" for years now. I don't think they make us look bad, why would they? That's not what goes on here. Like you said, if someone can't tell the difference between that and a rational conversation, that's really their problem, nor should we really care. The people here are rational and fair by and large, which is why I let the comments through and continue to engage with you. I like this sandbox and don't much care about other sandboxes and what they're up to, never have.
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Thanks for the pdf link.I have watched Dance Moms and again wondered how much was staged, even this last fight. I did see terrified looks on the girls' faces, tears and panic attacks ( Kendall) Paige seems like a sweet child who was always the first one criticized. Why on earth did these mothers put the girls on this show to be treated a like dirt, humiliated and abused by Miller? How long is this binding contract? The show seems to be continuing with a new cast plus her favorite student,Maddie, anyhow. I don't watch it now but find this scandal heart-breaking.
I don't like when I have to scroll through macro views of every. single. step. of. the. recipe. I know how to stir, I don't need a visual of scrambling eggs etc. Just show me the recipe! Where is it? 50 barely different pictures of brownies is a bit too precious, too.
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I don't mind the food photo steps as much since I usually just scroll to the bottom for the actual recipe, as I mind 50 pictures from the cattle drive at 5am that morning where none of them are that spectacular. Take your time, take one or two really phenomenal shots, and post those.
I still know next to nothing about her kids personally, which I appreciate. I couldn't tell you anything about their personalities, they're just random kids. And the kid they feature the most is Alex who's 17 if not 18 already, so I figure she's well old enough to have a pretty good idea what she's consenting to. Plus all they do is show them eating, riding horses, or watching movies. Her baby, who really isn't even a baby anymore (he must be 9?) is barely shown. I just don't get a red flag uncomfortable feeling about it.
As for photographing your food - I recently read a blog run by a Navy wife who said she takes her food outside every afternoon/nite to snap the pics because the light is better. I had to chuckle picturing her doing that, but also appreciate that she's so dedicated to go to that trouble.
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The moment when you realize that you should only be shooting outside at dawn and dusk (unless of course you have reflectors and lighting set ups to manipulate the light, which few people do) is the moment where you elevate yourself from just a good photographer to a potential to be really great. That's a good sign that she has an in-depth understanding of photography beyond just "that's a pretty picture." This is what I'm talking about, people like that Navy wife have obviously spent a great deal of time learning about photography to understand why dawn and dusk are so important. I don't believe that very many photographers just fall into it and are great. An aptitude for it may be in your DNA, but until you really take the time to study it, few people will come up with anything really amazing. This goes for cooking and writing a cookbook. Kate thought she could just throw a few things together and call it today. The result is that monstrosity. She still hasn't bothered to learn a darn thing about photography when she posts pics. For every lazy pic she posts of her crappy food, who knows how many people lose interest or how many people she failed to snag in the first place who may have seen it. Her laziness finally caught up big time.
I don't understand Jon's upset either. Jon knows he loves his children and he should know there is nothing wrong with deciding not to have anymore after having eight. I don't know why some hack test from a hack web site with a terrible reputation for just being a hook-up spot for cheaters and losers (that's not to say there may be many decent people on the site and healthy relationships, but there's no denying its shady reputation) would upset him. HE knows how he feels about his kids, so why be upset about what someone else says. Maybe it felt like the final straw for him after putting up with Kate insulting him as a father for the past five years. Maybe it just felt like he can't take it anymore.
What I have learned about men is that they take their role as father and husband and provider very seriously and when you insult that they seem to get far more bent out of shape than most women do.
I don't have any of her books, but Pioneer Woman's website always shows step-by-step directions as she puts the dish together. That should have been an indication that something was fishy in Kate's book. There was no, do this, click, do that, click. None of that. Just throw it all in a pot and look at the miracle results. And Voila! Duped 'em again!
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Funny, Auntie Ann! I would say, talking about all the cans she uses for cooking, Dumped and Duped them again! lol
Thanks for the link Virginia Penn Mom. I happened to see the episode last week and it looked to me like it went down just as Kelly said in the lawsuit. Kelly did ask ALM to get her finger out of her face (multiple times) and the manner in which ALM was going towards her was very threatening. And what was up with the snapping jaws? It's all there on tape.
Did I hear this Dr Jenn person correctly? She wanted to do a compatibility test "just for fun" and so "looked for a company that had one." And then she goes all DramaRama Queen defending her integrity when Jon overreacts?? Quack Quack.
It makes me so sad to see Jon smoking and cussing up a storm. And I wish that he had made no mention of his career in TV.
And Liz reminds me of my cousins up north. Enough said.
I can see why Jon would suspect that he was being set up, add the fact that his compatibility results were revealed last. All the other couples were deemed compatible (I could be wrong on the others' results), so some drama was needed for the tv cameras. Quack Quack.
I expect more maturity from Jon, yet, for the duration of his marriage Jon (like his 8 children) was like an orphan in Oliver Twist. Jon's maturation got frozen in time (I believe that he started the marriage out immature to begin with - that's why TCFW selected him). Jon worked day and night for his family, yet without a whiff of physical or emotional affection from the Orphanage Matron, TCFW. Jon got nothing but beat down.
I pray that Jon addresses his dependency issues (smoking, alcohol, food, relationships). Doing so often jump-starts the maturation process.
Jon was TCFW's dupe in her grandiose scheme to get rich and famous. I pray he can work to leave his role as dupe behind (think - a dupe in CT as well, in my opinion) and become the mature, stable father that the G8 so desperately need.
What's with all these RTs of love from various states and regions- even world-wide, lol on TFW's twitter.
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They are bots.
The people asking for RT from TFW aren't bots. Bots are automated response/replies/spam. The RT's from yesterday and today are real people. As someone upthread posted, a couple fans asked for RT, TFW was kind enough to reply and so the rest are following suit.
When Jon gets his act together (knock wood), he won't need to rely on external validation so much anymore. And he won't cry victim when he's been played for a fool, because, well, he'll stop acting the part. I hope it happens for him soon, for his own good and the sake of his kids.
He spoke in one interview about having come to the point where he realized he could do all the Post-it Note tasks Kate set out for him, for days and years on end, but the truth was: he'd never please her. And TLC played that up, big time. That's when he decided to bail.Not in the most illustrious ways, lol, but he said he learned a great deal about himself from having gone though all of that. But from all appearances, some of the most important lessons didn't stick.
Cue, Couples Therapy. Jon apparently had a similar lightbulb moment about ticky-boxes on a compatibility test having revealed unpleasant truths about himself & his current partner. Whoa, and woe is me, who would've thought that a reality show would seize upon juicy tidbits like that, and blow them up for effect?!? In that teachable moment, when the light dawned yet again over Jon's beleaguered head, he didn't sit up straight and take notice. Nope, he yelped like a whipped puppy, tucked his tail between his legs, whined about calling his manager so he could cut and run. And then--to neither his credit nor credibility's sake--he conflated the reasons he left his first reality show with his reason for wanting to "exit, stage left" on this one. Was it for the sake of the kids, Jon, or to assuage your own bruised ego? You muddied the waters about that.
Reality TV isn't the problem. Your lack of awareness is. Sure, producers can and do take advantage of your situation and persona (real and imagined). But you knew that, right? You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. (All apologies to dog-lovers here. I'm not talking about our four-legged friends.)
Therapy's hard work, I know that. And change is nigh unto impossible, until and unless the right motivation kicks in. I hope Jon found it in CT, still and all. I'm still rooting for him--and for those beautiful children of his. I hope he can put aside whatever it was that happened in his near and distant past, and that he'll find a way to look instead (with clear eyes) to his future.
Fix your gaze, Jon, on your darling but very impressionable kids, who are watching (and learning from) every single move you make….We'll cheer you on, from the sidelines.
She still hasn't bothered to learn a darn thing about photography when she posts pics. For every lazy pic she posts of her crappy food, who knows how many people lose interest or how many people she failed to snag in the first place who may have seen it.
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She just can't move past that aerial shot of her finished product plopped on a plate on the granite countertop or the occassional snapped photo of a child's plate on the table. That's the extent of her imagination. In all the years she's been taking pics with her iphone, she's had one fairly nice one and it was probably by accident. It was a bowl of vegetables in the sink and the sunlight hit it just right IIRC. ONE PHOTO of the thousands she's taken. lol!
She refuses to educate herself before she jumps into all her scatterbrain projects. Then when they fall flat she blames everyone else.
AuntieAnn, do you mean the one with beans or peas, I forget which. I remember I liked that one, although wondered why she didn't use a colander to rinse them. There were 8 little birds or something on the window sill, too.
For anyone who wants to read the lawsuit that Kelly Hyland of Dance Moms is filing against Abby Lee Miller and the production company.
Thanks Virginia Pen Mom for the link. If Kelly and the other moms didn't like what they experienced then why did they continue to sign up for this? "If you sell your soul to the devil, what will you be paid? There it is." I guess they didn't learn ANYTHING from J&K+8! And, where the heck has PA DOL been for 4 seasons of Dance Moms????
While the production company may be wrong and Abby also, I can't place all of the blame on them when the parents, with open eyes agreed to put their children in these situations - over and over. And especially the moms, who've played along with the ridiculous baiting of each other and fighting continuously. They don't have to take the bait and engage with each other in such nasty ways. UGHGHGHHHH A couple of moms have played it pretty cool since I've been watching and have stayed out of the battles for the most part. I didn't read anything in the suit that said they were required to yell, scream, swear, or accuse each other of things or else they were in violation of their contract if they didn't.
Re the hours Kelly is complaining about - I wonder if the kids would have been putting in the same number of hours whether they were on tv or not. They still have classes, rehearsal time, travel and competition time, etc.
Soo, #50 "she remains willing to participate in" the show??? WHY??? If her children are being abused and bullied why would she subject her children to more??? Is it about the exposure and the "contractual weekly compensation for each episode" that she wants? I don't get it.
Bwahahaha "attempted to strip Plaintiff of her dignity and reputation among her peers and through the dance and entertainment industry." (I kinda think Kelly's own behavior did that for her.) "... the statements expose Hyland to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or obloquy, to cause her to be shunned or avoided." Well, I'd avoid someone who behaved that way, too! Provoked or not, there are other ways to respond than yelling, screaming, pulling someone's hair and scratching their face/head. Just because Abby behaves badly is no reason for the moms to do the same. UGHHHHH
Ah ha, there's the pesky non-compete clause #66.
I wonder how many contracts have been signed? The suit reads like there were at least 2, maybe 3?
I'm all for personal responsibility. I disagree completely w/the way Abby treats the dancers and their mothers, but the mothers aren't without blame and responsibility @ their treatment of Abby and each other, including this past episode when Kelly accused one of the girls of lying. I'd never put my children in any situation close to what the Dance Moms do, whether it's scripted drama or not, and I'd certainly never sign such contracts knowing what they did about J&K's history (well, I'd never sign my children up for ANY reality tv!)
Carole, sorry but a lot of them are bots and their key phrase is RT to your fans. You can buy bots to retweet to make you look popular. Most of them have never tweeted Kate and will never tweet her again (until she pays for them). This is just to deflect from #stockphotogate and show the world how really popular she still is. Too bad they didn't all buy books.
I also was surprised at Jon's reaction to the compatibility test. He had to know that it was based upon how he/they answered certain questions and fed into a computer, and if and Liz were to retake the quiz and answer the same questions differently, the results would of course change.
Recently I helped a 67 year old woman fill out a questionnaire for an online dating web site and I was surprised at some of the questions. In re smoking her choices about a possible mate were along the lines of a) full time smoker, b) part time smoker, c) social smoker, d) occasional smoker, e) does smoke but only smokes outside, f) less than a pack a week smoker, and g) never smokes.
Not hard to see how a response to one of these questions would change the outcome of a test.
The kicker is pretty much the same responses were under the category of what my friend was looking for in terms of a mate who drinks alcohol.
So what we learned is that Jon and Liz both smoke and drink. Big deal. That is something they have in common confirmed by a computer. But there are other things that is not covered and yet they have been together for two years, and they are still together.
It comes down to only Jon and Liz are going to decide if they are compatible no matter what the computer said a few months ago. Sure they can retake compatibility tests and even see if they are compatible based upon their zodiac signs, but again, only Jon and Liz can decide if they stay together or not.
The people asking for RT from TFW aren't bots. Bots are automated response/replies/spam. The RT's from yesterday and today are real people. As someone upthread posted, a couple fans asked for RT, TFW was kind enough to reply and so the rest are following suit.
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Oops. Sorry. I made a mistake. I know what bots are, at least I think I do! Ten lashes with a wet noodle, or five with a wooden spoon. I was trying to figure out what the keyword was in those tweets and couldn't find one. Kate has so many people who love her, as Young Emily pointed out:
Emily Creighton @EmCr68 48m @Kateplusmy8 is on a "retweeting roll!" Just shows all the love there is for mamaG!
So much love, sure. She should read the comments on all of the blogs, and negative remarks made about her on websites and compare them with the handful of people asking for retweets. Em needs to grow up and stop with this obsession with her "MamaG," or at least spell it correctly. "Mama" is a Spanish-Canadian horror film. It's "Momma." Why would a college freshman refer to an almost 40 divorced woman as Mama? Something's not right there.
Evelyn @Magicalyn 2h lol watching Say Yes to the Dress and Kate Gosselin is on for a vow renewal … #oops kinda funny in hindsight
Yes, real funny. Promising children that their parents would be together forever when they know that the whole wedding vow renewal was a farce and nothing more than to grab a free trip to Hawaii. Quite amusing.
Sure they can retake compatibility tests and even see if they are compatible based upon their zodiac signs, but again, only Jon and Liz can decide if they stay together or not.
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Isn't that the way it's usually done? In the end, the couple decides whether to stay together or split up. How many people actually rely on internet test results to determine if they are compatible?
Carole, sorry but a lot of them are bots and their key phrase is RT to your fans. You can buy bots to retweet to make you look popular. Most of them have never tweeted Kate and will never tweet her again (until she pays for them). This is just to deflect from #stockphotogate and show the world how really popular she still is. Too bad they didn't all buy books.
To bot or not to bot? That's the question! Perhaps the sheeple meeting last night might have been to come up with the best strategy to deflect from the fake picture debacle. I haven't read all of the tweets. How are the sheeple handling stock foodgate?
I agree, they are bots. I bet Kate even has it set up to auto retweet. It is a ploy to make her appear popular. Not going to work. However, I am waiting for her to pull something else out of her bag of tricks. Surely there will be a big twitter buildup to her birthday in March and what big plans the kids have for her. Let's guess it: a cake baked by Cara and Mady and homemade "I Love You" cards and maybe even breakfast in bed! Those kids sure do adore their mom, don't they?
Sure they can retake compatibility tests and even see if they are compatible based upon their zodiac signs, but again, only Jon and Liz can decide if they stay together or not. 156
I agree. Also, I did not see the episode, but I wonder if Jon exaggerated for the camera.
"Most of them have never tweeted Kate and will never tweet her again (until she pays for them)."
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That's what I was wondering about when I read all the pleas for RTs. I never saw their names before. They certainly aren't die-hard sheep who have popped up on her TL at the same time. That makes no sense. If you look at the time that they tweeted, you can see that most of them asked for the RT at the same time. What are the chances that these all are fans who have showed up at the very same time (14-15 hours ago) especially since these tweeters never were there before?
So if many of them indeed are bots, then Kate is retweeting fake fans that she bought and they will never see the retweets? How stupid is that?
Speaking of compatibility ~ my BF and I have been together for over 5 years. What surprises everyone who knew us before we became a couple is that we have nothing in common. We are polar opposites about everything. It is to the point that the subject of politics and religion cannot even be brought up anymore because we agree to disagree on both the little issues and big ones.
FTR I am the daughter/sister/niece/cousin of alcoholics so not a surprise I do not drink. I also have never taken a hit off of a joint (in 7th grade we had an addict speak to our class about just saying no and it stuck with me). I don't care about what other people do as long they don't do it around me.
My BF is a former drug addict, you name it he has done it, and he was on meth for over 25 years. Two years before we met he did voluntarily go to rehab but when he got out his wife purposefully sabotaged him to get him back on meth so he left her (she is still on meth).
Eventually I wound up hiring my BF to work on my ranch, we got to talking about life, he wanted to hook up with me but I told him the last alcoholic I tried to help I failed, and I knew nothing about drug addicts and I didn't want to know. Well the BF decided I was worth it so he went cold turkey off the drugs and has been off them ever since.
Because I have been around 12 step programs for decades - Alateen, Alanon, Overeaters Anonymous (due to growing up in an alcoholic home I turned to food when I was a teenager) -- I am aware that anyone in recovery can slip.
Unfortunately with Philip Seymour Hoffman's recent overdose after 23 years of sobriety was just a reminder of this fact, and yes it scares the hell out of me. This is why I won't marry the BF -- if he slips and goes back to his old ways -- I'm leaving this relationship and he knows I'm serious.
Based on the above info, how did we wind up together? Divine Intervention. He and I realized it at the time and that is all that matters. However, as if we needed another "sign", two years after we hooked up he showed me the ranch where he grew up in CA. Geez, what are the chances that 20 years ago when his father died and the CA ranch was sold that the buyer worked for my uncle at my grandfather's dairy 50 years ago in PA? Further that the buyer remembers meeting my mother and me when I was 6 years old in the early 1960s? FTR it is 2,500 miles from the PA dairy to the CA ranch.
Bottom Line: People who have nothing in common can in fact have a healthy and happy relationship as long as they work through (or around) their issues, especially when they are polar opposites and I'm speaking from personal experience.
DENISE @Mydmaxx 2h @Kateplusmy8 are u still snowed in? Cabin fever yet?
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NO, Denise, NO! Kate is not snowed in. She had her friendly neighbor plow her driveway. The roads have been clear since Friday. You and Milo really have some kind of weird obsession with Kate's weather and being snowed in. We really do have snow plows here. They open roads and this time they did a decent job getting them cleared and everyone back to business as usual. Honest.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 144 I don't understand Jon's upset either. Jon knows he loves his children and he should know there is nothing wrong with deciding not to have anymore after having eight. I don't know why some hack test from a hack web site with a terrible reputation for just being a hook-up spot for cheaters and losers (that's not to say there may be many decent people on the site and healthy relationships, but there's no denying its shady reputation) would upset him. HE knows how he feels about his kids, so why be upset about what someone else says. Maybe it felt like the final straw for him after putting up with Kate insulting him as a father for the past five years. Maybe it just felt like he can't take it anymore.
What I have learned about men is that they take their role as father and husband and provider very seriously and when you insult that they seem to get far more bent out of shape than most women do.
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He didn't seem upset about the finding that neither was family oriented, he was upset about the incompatibility result. I don't think "taking his role as father and provider very seriously" had anything to do with his little hissy fit.
We'll cheer you on, from the sidelines. -------------------- WHAT! You just called him out for his weaknesses and slapped him verbally, opening the door for anyone to take you words and jump on the bandwagon of criticism. Remember the saying, "there is strength in numbers?" How is that cheering him on?
Those who are seeking healing and change WILL NOT open up if they don't feel it's safe. They need a support group who will say, "yeah, that probably wasn't the best choice but lets look for what you can learn and grow from." I GUARANTEE YOU, they will come to you next time they feel unsure about their choice. Not only that, they will more than likely take your advice and be forever grateful for it.
Oh great, now I'm starting to cry. What a trigger to remind me of the loneliness and fear I had when it came time for me to leave the safety of my rehab group. Jon, if you or anyone you know read here, please know that I am praying for you. Hang in there. I support you unconditionally. I wish there was away to contact you and let you know that you could feel safe sharing with me.
Serendipity said... 159 How are the sheeple handling stock foodgate?
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I don't read their blogs and I haven't seen any of them comment about picturegate on Kate's TL. Actually, I think they're too busy high-fiving each other over the latest BV lawsuit.
Rhymes with Witch said... 162 Sure they can retake compatibility tests and even see if they are compatible based upon their zodiac signs, but again, only Jon and Liz can decide if they stay together or not. 156
I agree. Also, I did not see the episode, but I wonder if Jon exaggerated for the camera.
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IMO Jon's reaction to hearing that he and Liz would not last was a surprise to him but overall his reaction was most definitely "over the top" as others have noted above.
This is especially true from someone who works with computers and no doubt knows how computer programs are written in the first place. But for him to want to call his manager because he felt he was set up and once again he is being played as a fool ...
Do I think Jon has a lot of baggage when it comes to his experience working with TLC and how a reality TV is not always based in reality? YES.
Do I think that CT is a reality show that is primarily based in reality? YES -- but these are real couples that have some real issues, and whether or not they are there to get help, have a "free" vacation or earn extra income we will never know.
My POV is that I think Farrah is there for the TV exposure, as well as Taylor since they both don't need the money. As for the other three couples I think they have relationship issues so they are there for the therapy and the paycheck is an added bonus. Now as for Jon and Liz, not only are they there for the therapy and paycheck, but an all expenses paid vacation to California.
Serendipity said... 157 Em needs to grow up and stop with this obsession with her "MamaG," or at least spell it correctly. "Mama" is a Spanish-Canadian horror film. It's "Momma."
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I guess Merriam-Webster better get to work correcting the dictionary, because they define "mama" as "mother."
Carole said... 127 Re: Dance Mom Kelly suing Abby - what a joke. **********
I think you will feel differently once you read the complaint/suit. v Penn Mom at 139 provided the link.
I used to feel the same way about one point: if ALM was so detrimental to the kids' self-confidence, and if the working hours exceeded the moms' expectations, then why didn't they just quit?? Well, according to one detail in the suit, the production company would retaliate by "suing them for everything they have". Sound familiar??
Apparently, you sign a contract for a reality show and even when it goes sour, you have zero clout to get out (unless you want to be driven into poverty). There appears to be no escape clause for the 'hired'.
I don't think "taking his role as father and provider very seriously" had anything to do with his little hissy fit.
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After five years of putting up with Kate insulting him as a father, I think that he's entitled to a little hissy fit...or for that matter, even a big hissy fit.
Serendipity said... 160 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LOL I have no idea what the second plate of food is either, dessert or main course. There are peas to the side, so I thought maybe heart- shaped fries, but what is that...mass? It looked a bit like pie crust at one side, but not pizza? Ham? I really have NO clue. Hope this is not suggested in her ''traditional typical holiday 10 star rated meals 'in the crookbook.
I don't have the pink bra game, but I have been getting the pink ad for Fingerhut, whatever that is. I've learned not to click on any of these things because when I did, I kept getting the Asian girls who wanted to chat. I didn't want one of them. I miss Stephanie.
He didn't seem upset about the finding that neither was family oriented, That part didn't upset them because it's true.
he was upset about the incompatibility result. This part seemed to upset them both terribly. I wonder why that is. It really hit a hot button with both of them.
Maybe because they both know that they're not all that compatible? But are heavily invested in that not being true?
Reminds me of a kid strenuously denying having done something when you are 99.9% sure that he did do it.
My other thought is that it upset them so much because they *know* how deceitful and manipupative TLC was. Although why he would think that CT would be any different is odd.
Tells us perhaps the depth of TLC lies is far more than we have any idea?
lukebandit @lukebandit 16m @Kateplusmy8 Heard there was snow but it didn't stick 2 ground, YdoU hyperbole abt the WX? ALL big trees N driveway destroyed? Still there!
lukebandit, I think you misunderstood what I said. We did have snow...close to 18 inches and believe me, it did stick to the ground. The plows were out in full force. It's still on the ground, and unless we get a good thaw, it will be there for some time. The roads, however, did get cleared from that storm.
What we had yesterday was a very wet snow, and that is what didn't stick to the roads. They were just wet. We're getting snow every couple of days. Kate didn't lie about our Thursday storm. That one was a big one. By Friday, however, people were able to get out, and yesterday's snow didn't amount to anything.
Luke bandit, thanks for your parody song! Very funny! Mickey McKean, thanks for your personal story. And thanks to others here who have shared personal experiences and perspectives. Why I love this blog! We can discuss so many things!
kate, we know you read here. Here is some advice for your upcoming birthday.
For the last 6 birthdays I always wanted to take my 3 sons out to eat. But, I haven't been able to. Why for once don't talk about your birthday on twitter until that day AFTER you celebrate. TAKE ALL the kids to a nice restaurant, NOT CHIPOLTE, and let them order anything they want. China plates, real silverware, real glasses. They deserve it. Don't take Steve. If Jon can take all the kids out by himself, so can you.
This will go a long way in showing people that for once you didn't think about yourself and did something nice for your kids. kate, they are getting older. You need help to control your anger. You will regret later in life that you didn't and that pain is very hurtful and will eat you alive.
Also, a great deflector of the recipe pictures gate. A win-win!
I was very good to all my sons. They got muddy outside, who cares, hose them off with the water hose, get them in the mud room, let them take a shower, call it a day. It makes many people sad that you call your precious sons, the icky boys, and refused them to eat their cupcakes, lifted one boy by the hair of his head and beat him in his crib, laid one son on the laundry room floor and turned the light off with a male, female camera person in there with him. No wonder Jon went ballistic.
I would tuck my son's in bed every night and kiss them on the head, or cheek. They loved it. I remember one of the RARE times I was so tired and sick and barely move and my oldest said, Mom, come tuck me in. I said, D, I can't, too tired, I love you. Then he said, Mom, he was in HS at the time, one day when I go to college and move on, you will regret not kissing me and tucking me in. He was already in bed. I said, ok. Here I come, it took a little while but I made it. I am so glad I did.
When the boys dad left and I came out of the hospital and recovering from my stroke and coma, the boys and I were sitting in the living room talking and one of them said, Mom, if you start dating, and he hits you? We have it planned to get in D's truck with baseball bats and hunt him down and beat him with an inch of his life! They said No. 2 son would drive his truck and No. 1 and No. 3 would ride in the truck bed! lol
I said, Now hold on, I am not going to date ever. But, I really appreciate you thinking of me like this, but I would really prefer you not do this because I don't own enough property in the city limits to bond you out. But, lol your grandpa does! lol We were all laughing. That is how much they love me and I love them.
So glad I don't have to regret those precious memories!
sorry but a lot of them are bots and their key phrase is RT to your fans.
Some of them may be bots but I've checked more than a dozen RT profiles since the question came up and all of the ones I checked are either TFW fans w/other tweets to her or they're just regular people tweeting about life, other celebs, babysitting, etc. Maybe I just haven't checked the bots profiles. idk
He didn't seem upset about the finding that neither was family oriented, he was upset about the incompatibility result. 167
Hopd the phone. Jon is obviously family oriented and LOVES his children. I have no reason to think otherwise of Liz. If the "test" was wrong about that, why would you think it's "correct" about anything else?
I think Jon and Liz were honest about the eleven kids. Liz was very clear that they are both very family oriented and adore their kids but that of course eleven kids is a lot on their plates. It would overwhelm anyone. Kate herself complains about all the responsibility of the kids ALL THE TIME. I'd prefer that as opposed to happy happy joy joy everything is just fine. That's not realistic. And Liz made a HUGE face of disbelief when they said she wasn't family oriented, as in that's total B.S. what are you TALKING about? They got over that ridiculous statement because they knew it was nonsense. Like Whitney being honest that she is tempted (by ICECREAM) they were honest 11 kids is a lot.
I think the reason he reacted to being incompatible is because he knew there was a grain of truth to it, whereas the other stuff he was more confident about so didn't care so much if they wanted to say inaccurate things.
Bottom Line: People who have nothing in common can in fact have a healthy and happy relationship as long as they work through (or around) their issues, especially when they are polar opposites and I'm speaking from personal experience.
Mickey, wishing you and your BF another happy and healthy 5x10 years together! It's a small world isn't it?
To Carole : sorry for my earlier referral to reading the Dance Moms suit, I see that you did (mis-timed responses here, I thnk).
I do believe strongly, though, that getting *out* of the production's contract is not without devastating consequences, and that's why the moms have stayed. According to the Complaint/Suit that KH filed, she has tried more than once to get out of it (apparently, it is not as simple as not "re-signing" each season, and I can see now how trapped these moms have become if their daughters say they want to continue so that they can dance with their friends).
No, I am not absolving the moms of their poor behavior, but I can see how e *unintended* behaviors accelerated and by the time it became clear they should get out, all the cards were in the producers and ALM's hands.
[no, I wouldn't have signed my child up for this either, but all of the moms knew a somewhat different ALM and, perhaps, felt that it wouldn't turn out the way this way]
Who here first cracked this story? Because it IS a story. Let me raise a double rumspringa to you!!! Come on, ladies, pick up your frosty mugs and allll togetherrrr now:
*Roll out the barrel, we'll have a barrel of fun Roll out the barrel, we've got the LIAR on the run Zing boom tararrel, ring out a song of good cheer Now's the time to roll the barrel, for 15 MINUTES IS here!*
She refuses to educate herself before she jumps into all her scatterbrain projects. Then when they fall flat she blames everyone else.
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Aww, sweet Auntie. Here, have another mug. You forgot the most important thing:KATE ALREADY KNOWS EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW AND HER KNOWLEDGE IS PERFECT IN EVERY WAY. Perhaps you are too mediocre to comprehend that, really, in the magnificence that is Katie Irene. It's ok, I luv ya anyway. <3
Carole said... 184 Bottom Line: People who have nothing in common can in fact have a healthy and happy relationship as long as they work through (or around) their issues, especially when they are polar opposites and I'm speaking from personal experience.
Mickey, wishing you and your BF another happy and healthy 5x10 years together! It's a small world isn't it?
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Carole, thank you for your kind thoughts and yes it is a small world.
What I did not mention is that the town my grandfather and uncle lived in had a population of 310, so for two of them to move out to CA and find my BF's family ranch in 1992 ... it still is unreal to me.
Another "sign" is that my realtor in Sacramento who is a cowboy, when he learned I was looking for property up north, was teasing me that I was only moving in the hopes of being closer to his best friend (who I knew from years ago but we never dated).
Now I have not seen hide nor hair of my realtor's best friend but it just so happens that my BF is my realtor's best friend cousin!!!
Njay, please don't twist or parse my words. I can't and won't give high-fives to Jon for the way he's behaving on CT thus far. But what I said about his potential for the future holds true: "I hope he can put aside whatever it was that happened in his near and distant past, and that he'll find a way to look instead (with clear eyes) to his future. … Fix your gaze, Jon, on your darling but very impressionable kids, who are watching (and learning from) every single move you make….We'll cheer you on, from the sidelines." I meant that. It comes from that imperfect place in myself, where truth resides and comes to light when we're courageous enough to venture there. I'm equally supportive of you…of anyone brave enough to do the same.
Watched PW this morning followed by Trisha Yearwood.
PW's episode was about Ladd's grandmother, Edna Mae. I noticed that she did not call him Marlboro Man once in the show, she called him Ladd. Respect for Edna Mae.
Made a Lemon Roast Chicken, Cauliflower Soup with Toasted Crackers and a stunning Blueberry Italian Cream Cake. PW said that EM taught her how to toast saltine crackers and that was a memory.
PW said that instead of buying gifts because she has everything she needs, the kids made beautiful heartfelt cards. The daughter put buttons on the cover and PW said, there are buttons on the card in case you lose a button! lol
She loved it. It was special. It was just PW, Edna Mae, 2 older women and the kids. That cake looked beautiful.
On TY's show, Trisha had her sister help her, but TY also invited for Sunday lunch the preacher and his wife that married TY and GB. Made a roast, spoon rolls, fresh green beans aka, Tom Cruise beans and Lizzie's Old Fashioned Cocoa Cake with Caramel icing.
The reason why TY calls the green beans Tom Cruise is because they were on a cruise and the kids thought the chef looked exactly like Tom Cruise. The when they were winding up eating, the preacher asked TY if she would sing a song and she said, yes, I will.
Here we go again with the conjecture, guesses, theories and hunches about what Jon shoulda, woulda, coulda done about everything. We saw maybe 10 minutes, TOPS, of he and Liz on CT on Thursday. We don't know what happened before or after taping or what landed on the editing floor. I'm giving the guy a chance. He's been the only one to show his kids any kind of affection, any kind of real world experiences and a sense of family. He's been trying very hard to correct the mistakes Kate has been making on a daily basis.
Do I agree with everything I've seen where Jon is concerned? No. I wish he'd clean up his mouth a bit. But I'm also not going to try and guess what is really going on. TLC and Kate tried to destroy and bury him. You don't come out of something like that with the same outlook on the world. Or the same trust.
I have no theories about why or what is going on. It's not my place. I'm not going to guess or make assumptions because I. Don't. Know. Neither does anyone else.
Sorry if I'm sounding snippy. I don't mean to but I don't have an edit button and nothing I've said will magically be erased, soon to be found on my living room floor.
, opening the door for anyone to take you words and jump on the bandwagon of criticism))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
njay, EVERYONE is allowed to state their own opinion. And some of us clearly think Jon's not what he made us think he was. This is not a personal attack on you, ok?
I watched the episode finally for the recap and I didn't take Jon's hissy fit as coming across as dramatic as described here. He got mad, yes, but he didn't yell, scream, throw things or others behave inappropriately. He sat there calmly on the couch outside and discussed some of his frustrations, including his past experience with reality T.V. which are still very real to him. A short time later Dr. Jenn came out and talked to him and almost immediately Jon calmed down and agreed he was overreacting.
He never called his manager or walked off the show, he simply calmly said he would LIKE to call his manager. He never picked up the phone. Saying you want to do something but never actually going through with it is very different than actually doing it.
He also apologized to Dr. Jenn and thanked her in what looked like almost immediately. It was all in the same conversation on the couch anyway. Much ado about nothing.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 194 ''I watched the episode finally for the recap and I didn't take Jon's hissy fit as coming across as dramatic as described here.'' ''...He also apologized to Dr. Jenn and thanked her in what looked like almost immediately. It was all in the same conversation on the couch anyway. Much ado about nothing.'' ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thank you. It is tiresome to read over and over and over comments that are determined to put Jon in the worst possible light, seeing things that just flat aren't there.
There are peas to the side, so I thought maybe heart- shaped fries, but what is that...mass?
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Peas with pizza? Maybe so. She did put green beans in her chicken cacciatore mess, so why not peas and pizza?
I'm watching Dark Obsessions and the episode is about an opera singer who is the victim of cyber stalker fan. I keep thinking about the sheeple, and one fan in particular/
I guess Merriam-Webster better get to work correcting the dictionary, because they define "mama" as "mother."
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Emily usually spells it "mamma." This is the first time I've seen iher spell it Mama. According to the MW dictionary, the first definition of "mamma" is "a mammary gland and its accessory parts" LOL!
Another one whose user name was created to fit the subject matter. Didn't admin ask that posters please not do that?
To add to that, Dr. Jenn told him there was no need to apologize. You don't say that if the behavior was serious.
Given how firm and harsh she is with Wu-Tang, I think if Dr. Jenn felt his behavior had risen to the level where he needed to apologize she would have said so. I don't agree with all of her methods but overall I think she's been right about Jon and Liz.
Today I looked up CT on the Internet and noted that the past two seasons there were 10 episodes each.
This season so far we have seen 7 episodes and if history is any indictaion, there are probably 3 episodes left to be televised.
I am assuming that Taylor and her fiancé's issues are going to be addressed soon in an episode, especially now that Ghostface and his GF -- OK, both GFs -- are pretty much a done deal.
Yes I'm watching CT because of Jon and Liz but the fact is I'm really just spinning my wheels because last year I watched MARRIAGE BOOT CAMP: BRIDEZILLAS on WE and season 2 is starting on March 7th.
I watched maybe 10 BRIDEZILLA episodes over the years and each time I could not believe that their grooms showed up to marry them. So now there is a show where counselors are trying to help Brideizllas save their marriages, and not just by group and individual counseling but they also have the couples go through interesting exercises.
My hope is that because these couples are young that other young couples are watching and learning. It is just so easy to give up and get a divorce these days, even if there are children involved.
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Funny, isn't it, how this (and other) disingenuous behaviors makes you see everything through a certain lens? I'm thinking maybe she had help in writing that Sausage Bean Bake blog entry, too. I noticed right away that she spelled "veggie" right, for a change. Not her typical spelling, before or after that.
Hummm, Other than from the photog in 2009, there are possibly no other photos of dishes TFW actually made so I wonder how many of the recipes has TFW has actually prepared or tested. Did she just re-write recipes she found somewhere like on the back of a soup can or a box of mac and cheese or get from a friend?
If the photos presented in the crookbook are inauthentic and misleading, how many of the recipes are also? See, TFW, questions and speculation like this are what you get when you are misleading and not completely authentic.
I woke up to one of our crab-apple trees full of robins this morning, so Im excited!!! Spring is in the air, woohoo!
But that whole stock-photo using thing is kinda funny. And now I wonder that if she didn't cook all those foods to get photographed, if they got sampeled at all....see there is a credit in the front of the book for food styling/recipe tester :-)
They even had 2 recipe testers, lol!
3,2,1...Cue Milo...."well, everybody does it!"
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You got that right. Wait, 1, 2, 3...very soon! She'd say the same thing about speeding, or parking in a fire zone, or anything else that Kate does that anyone would question. "Everyone does it."
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@A1letheia @Kateplusmy8 Wonder if @HCI_Books knew/know the photos in Kate Gosselin's crookbook were plagiarized?
Calm down, tweeters. It's not plagiarism if you pay for the use of a stock photo. It is absolutely disingenuous, inauthentic, and misleading to imply the dishes were cooked by you, but it's not illegal to use stock photos. Now, let's just hope someone at HCI did their due diligence and verified the use of ALL the photos was legit.
OT Olympics, the HOCKEY GAME!!!!!!!! The Russian and American hockey teams! we watched live. If you get chance to watch the entire game, do it! Even if you already know outcome!
Commentators say it was one of best hockey games ever. it is not a medal game even, there are lots more games to come.
I just checked Twitter, and the sleuthing has found its way over there. "Plagiarizing, perjury, criminal activities," etc. etc.
It's funny how many of them use this blog for their info and just run with it. We don't know if all of this was done within the confines of the internet law regarding stock photos, but if everything is legal, why would you distort the truth? It's amazing how many of them on Twitter use this blog as a go-to for info and disclosures, but then turn around and call posters "hags" and "pearl clutchers," when they read here religiously and post tweets about what the sleuthers here have found. Guess the "hags" are pretty darn sharp with it comes to sniffing out some of this stuff!
Kate, did you cook ANYTHING yourself that was in the book? Geez...
No of course it's not plagiarizing as long as she obtained the photo properly, which in that case meant paying istock and then removing the watermark. It's just terribly horribly unethical and misleading. Which in a way is worse. I'd rather have you just be a straight up criminal than do it so sneakily.
This book took her forever to put together. What exactly was she DOING this whole time if all she did was slap together some stock photos and call it a day?
And just for shits and giggles (and I mean that literally if you eat undercooked sausage) her famous sausage cacciatore.
http://www.kateplusmy8.com/menu-monday-5/
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Whatever happened to those good old Menu Mondays? How are the sheeple managing without them? Let me guess. They all bought her cookbook, so there's no need for blog recipes. Right, Mlo?
he real sausage bean bake as posted on TCFW's blog. Not quite the same as what was pictured in the book.
http://www.kateplusmy8.com/menu-monday-on-thursday/
How can anyone even think that a food photo with a background of empty cans crusted with their remains can looks appetizing?
She'll claim it was all HCI's doing, which it likely was. I have to believe it was cheaper for them to pay for stock photos then hire a photographer to take all those pics. Obviously they hired one for the photoshoot at home, but it looks like that was it.
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An addict or an obese person is a person who's poor choices and bad judgement just happens to be drugs and food.
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Oh lord give me strength. Why did I waste my time posting about my own weight experience. It is pointless. Absolutely a waste of time.
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Millicent, please forgive me for being so clueless. I can often be such a "duh" sometimes. Would you please enlighten me with what you are trying to say? I ask that sincerely.
The title of this blog entry is in part "Crumbs of Love" and here we are discussing yet again one of TFW's deceptions. It could also be the title of her next cook book, or should I say crock book.
So she used old photos from 2009 photographed by this Joshua guy? If so, shouldn't he be credited in her crook book?
I do not believe for one minute she cooked anything for that photo shoot. Talk about deceptive! Like I said, if a recipe photo looks appealing I will try it. The photo is very important. I would love for any sheeple who bought the crook book to come forward with their AUTHENTIC and UNBIASED reviews of what they have cooked.
But that whole stock-photo using thing is kinda funny. And now I wonder that if she didn't cook all those foods to get photographed, if they got sampeled at all....see there is a credit in the front of the book for food styling/recipe tester :-)
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LOL! Weren't most of her "creations" pulled right off of Cook.com? She just changed 1 or 2 things? She probably poured over all the reviews and picked the ones that had the most "thumbs up!" or at least EIGHT
She'll claim it was all HCI's doing, which it likely was.
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She may say that, but when you put your name on a product, you are responsible for that product. She had a moral an ethical obligation to be honest about the photos in her product, either by forking over the money to pay a professional to shoot HER food, or to clearly label any stock photos that were NOT her food "stock photo." Anything less falls squarely on her shoulders as it is HER book and HER name, regardless what the publisher wanted to do. It was her obligation to tell her publisher that deception like that was unacceptable on HER product, and if they were not okay with that, it was her obligation to break ties with them.
That's sort of like Lance Armstrong saying well my coach was responsible for my EPO use. He helped him do it, in a way, and told him he had to do it to win, but in the end only Lance is responsible for Lance's "product."
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Come on admin, it takes effort to get a moment's peace (in a household such as hers) to sit in your locked bedroom, in bed with your laptop and scour the net for kid approved recipes. With her being pulled away to twat something, or to catch up over here at this blog, or to have a conference call with her attorneys....there's only so many hours in a day! And then to actually COOK the recipes that made the cut? that's just asking waaay too much from poor old harried single mommie dearest.
She may say that, but when you put your name on a product, you are responsible for that product. She had a moral an ethical obligation
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Using the words "moral" and "ethical" will fall flat on her. She'll never see it that way. And when has she EVER taken ownership of ANYHING? Just add this to the list, starting with "society is responsible for multiples, they should be responsible in raising them" (or however she worded it) She has a freak out on the kids, it's JON's fault for not rescuing her when she's stressed. Can't wait to see if he addresses this or not.
http://thinklikeablackbelt.com/blog/signs-and-traits-of-emotional-predators/
Can't wait to see if he addresses this or not.
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SHE not HE. sounded like I wanted Jon to chime in
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"This book took her forever to put together. What exactly was she DOING this whole time if all she did was slap together some stock photos and call it a day?"
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Let's not forget, all the recipes were from the 2009 failure. Maybe she had to ask Robert to email them to her from the discs he "stole".
Exactly, Admin. WHAT TOOK SO LONG?
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This book took her forever to put together. What exactly was she DOING this whole time if all she did was slap together some stock photos and call it a day?
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Considering how long it took her to get through all those random act emails and choose winners, the cooking and photographing for the book would have taken years. She may have used her usual excuse 'I am too busy" to get that cookbook going and done so someone offered the idea of stock photos to hurry it up because they (publisher?) didn't want it to drag it on and on and on.
Ex Nurse, your testimony has brought me to tears. You have been given a great gift that very few people are willing to receive. That gift is understanding from your heart that freedom comes from within and that it is our responsibility to embrace that freedom. Greater still, you are willing to share that which you have learned and have become a better person because of what you have, and are, still going through.
The greatest thing that I have learned from my addiction is that if I look for the lesson I'm to learn and become a better person for it, then what I've gone through becomes a good thing. There is NO ONE that can take that good away from me. NO ONE! What a great tool I have for the next trial in my life that I didn't have before.
Thank you to all who have commented about my post. There is always room for learning. Learning is NEVER bad. Hurtful sometimes, hehe, but never bad.
When Kate's book first came out, I remember thinking some of the pictures (cranberry muffin for example) actually looked pretty good. I did question whether the recipe was really Kate's recipe. But funny, I never question whether the picture was real.
I used to buy a lot of cookbooks, I probably have over 100 in my house right now. But not once did I ever question whether the picture of the recipe was not really a picture of the recipe.
I know it's not completely Kate's fault, but I have a totally different mindset now about cookbooks. What she did may be legal, but it's so misleading. And now that I've learned this is a somewhat common practice, it really bums me out.
Swings and roundabouts, that is funny! I had not connected the ”Crumbs of Love” episode title with the crook book!
Plus crumbs of love is probably all the affection the children get.
I was just cleaning out some old emails and I wanted to repost this one since we were just talking about Shirley Temple:
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Margaret O'Brien and three other child stars from the Shirley Temple era were interviewed by Robert Osbourne on Turner Classic Movies awhile back. (I think Margaret can be counted as a coming through successfully).
Margaret and Jane Withers said Shirley Temple was such a hot commodity that the studio heads would not allow the less famous child stars to interact with her off the sets.
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Millicent said... 121
An addict or an obese person is a person who's poor choices and bad judgement just happens to be drugs and food.
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Oh lord give me strength. Why did I waste my time posting about my own weight experience. It is pointless. Absolutely a waste of time.
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Millicent, please forgive me for being so clueless. I can often be such a "duh" sometimes. Would you please enlighten me with what you are trying to say? I ask that sincerely.
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I read over the posts on the previous page. I think what njay was saying was that if it hadn't been one addiction, it would probably be another one, because of underlying issues. I agree with that. For example, when someone uses any substance or behavior to fill some void, it can be expressed as overheating, over drinking, over spending, gambling etc. if someone has an eating addiction, then, everyone can see the evidence of it and then is free to judge them. But, since the problem involves the inability to moderate, that issue will show up in other areas. For example, people who smoke are much more likely to drink.
In the case of my husband, he drank secretly, and never appeared to be inebriated. When he went into rehab, our kids were absolutely shocked, although, as they all said, it explained a lot!
I think that njay may have used the term bad choices, etc, as a substitution for the word addiction, which may have led to misunderstanding her intentions.
That's just my opinion, of course. By the way, I heard a great description of what differentiates an addiction form a healthy dependence: a healthy dependence will always enrich your life and your relationships; an addiction will worsen your life and relationships. That was in the recent version of "Codependent No More", By Mellodie Beattie
From the acknowledgements page of the cookbook:
"Once I finally decided to write this book, I certainly had no idea how much work was involved until I began the process of writing down my recipes, testing and retesting them, and then taking photos of many of the completed dishes."
Again, Katespeak. She didn't lie-she just doesn't say where the photos where taken from.
This is great day for sports, especially basketball fans! Just watched University of Virginia beat Clemson AT Clemson, great game! UConn beat Memphis at home in overtime. Now the vcu rams are playing the Saint Louis Billikens at saint Louis, another great game! (Hyatt what is a billiken anyway?)
The days started with that great hockey game between the USA and Russia. Wow!
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I am sure that the fanz will claim that someone stole the pictures from her.or that all the celebrities do this.
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Marvelous find on the photos!
The great thing is that TFW or HCI cropped the photos. Someone could crop Kate's photos down but they could NOT expand them. The cropping is Kate's undoing; she can't claim someone stole her photos and used them elsewhere. It obviously went the other direction.
Oh, this is rich, rich, rich.
Let's face it, why take a photo of Cara's Sausage & Bean Bake when any cheese-smothered casserole photo will do?
Just about anything could be under that thick, gloppy, greasy mess.
Like what? Let's see...
#1. Shoka's rodent-dotted vomitus and his tears
#2. Fabio the fish
#3. The burned ashes of Kate's DWTS costumes
#4. Jon's testicles (a delicacy in some cultures, btw)
#5. Jimmy Hoffa
Why does this latest revelation not surprise me? Is there anything she CAN do that doesn't have undertones of shadyness involved?
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Ex Nurse said... 148
I am sure that the fanz will claim that someone stole the pictures from her.or that all the celebrities do this.
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Marvelous find on the photos!
The great thing is that TFW or HCI cropped the photos. Someone could crop Kate's photos down but they could NOT expand them. The cropping is Kate's undoing; she can't claim someone stole her photos and used them elsewhere. It obviously went the other direction.
Oh, this is rich, rich, rich.
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I don't think that a little thing like absolute proof will stop them!
Boy! You guys are GOOD! I bet Kate never thought this was be uncovered. Posters here can't be called defective detectives! Mr. Monk would be proud.
"Once I finally decided to write this book, I certainly had no idea how much work was involved until I began the process of writing down my recipes, testing and retesting them, and then taking photos of many of the completed dishes."
Again, Katespeak. She didn't lie-she just doesn't say where the photos where taken from.
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She "took" them -- right from stock photos. Cleverly worded, I might say.
Tucker's Mom said... 30
Just about anything could be under that thick, gloppy, greasy mess.
Like what? Let's see...
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TM - Your list of ingredients made me feel sick to my stomach and amused at the same time!!
Carole said... 5
@Sassccha
@A1letheia @Kateplusmy8 Wonder if @HCI_Books knew/know the photos in Kate Gosselin's crookbook were plagiarized?
Calm down, tweeters. It's not plagiarism if you pay for the use of a stock photo. It is absolutely disingenuous, inauthentic, and misleading to imply the dishes were cooked by you, but it's not illegal to use stock photos. Now, let's just hope someone at HCI did their due diligence and verified the use of ALL the photos was legit.
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Calm down is right, and it's not criminal activity nor perjury, nor were the kids involved. Yes, it's deception, but if she bought these photos to use and they were properly credited, then they're not going to remove her cookbook for copyright violation. She thought nobody was going to find out. Wrong!
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@ConcernedChick @A1letheia @Kateplusmy8 Out & out perjury. Her lies becoming criminal and she's involving kids. Not suitable role model IMO.
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@BarbaraJean_s @A1letheia "Cara's recipe". She not only lives off kids' backs, she involves them in criminal endeavors. #kateplusmy8
I know I'm a new poster, but I have been a long time reader (like a WAY long time reader), so I want to add my "sports call" today also.
NASCAR season begins again tonight! The Unlimited/former Shootout tonight, qualifying tomorrow. I finally have something to tide me over until the NFL draft/football season starts. I don't watch basketball, baseball or hockey, but I live & die for football & racing seasons.
Anyone who has followed my twitter knows that I post a lot of pics of food I cook. And sometimes the pics don't make the food look as good as it tastes. And I've been trying out the tips from Pioneer Woman about food pics, but sometimes the pic just doesn't look appetizing. So I'm not really surprised to hear that Kate took the easy way out and bought pics to use as "her food" pics. I assumed that someone else cooked the recipes & took pics of THEIR versions, not hers. But buying pics & passing them off as her own is very much her style of doing something. Do as little as possible & get someone else to do all the real work while she takes credit for being "amazing".
This book took her forever to put together. What exactly was she DOING this whole time if all she did was slap together some stock photos and call it a day?
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I think LIITM was in the can in 2009, and it's sat idle until Kate could figure out a way to get it published after Zondervan dropped it.
It think that explains, to an extent, why the book is in parts, anachronistic- as if the kids were still toddlers and little kids, when it was written.
To wit: Kate may have needed to drop Jon's name from the meatloaf, but to hell if she was going to figure out a new name for "Sloppy Joel", and forgo smearing food all over her son's face for a "cute" photo that was 5 years too late to be cute.
To Tucker's Mom (#31): You are a hoot. Never laughed so hard. Poor Jon's testicles :( !
To Tucker's Mom (#31): You are a hoot.
Did she give proper credit? I don't own the book so I can't check it out. What are stock photo's rules about publishing in a book? I do think she bought them and used them legally but to mislead everyone into thinking that they were pictures of her food is crazy. Remember when she cropped the picture of apple Halloween teeth and presented as her own in a blog? She's been doing this forever. This tweet from a non fan says it all.
@A1letheia: It isn't plagiarizing if you PAY for stock pics. it is simply lazy and misleading. And inauthentic @Kateplusmy8
I assumed that someone else cooked the recipes & took pics of THEIR versions, not hers. But buying pics & passing them off as her own is very much her style of doing something.
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But that doesn't explain why the photos don't match up with the actual recipe. If someone cooked the food for her, I would think that the dish would have the ingredients provided in the recipe. Some of the photos included (and excluded) food not in the actual recipe. Of course, the person cooking the food could have decided that Kate's recipe (or "lifted" recipe) just wasn't going to provide for a good-looking photo, and they tweaked them a bit.
Stephanie Anne @Steph_COM341 52m
@Kateplusmy8 Hi! I’m writing an article for my class, would you be willing to talk to me about your experiences/advice on adult bullying?
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lololol!! Sure, that's a no-brainer! Contact BV and tell him and his minions to take down the haters! That should do it!
PatK said... 32
Why does this latest revelation not surprise me? Is there anything she CAN do that doesn't have undertones of shadyness involved?
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Right, no surprise there. Every time you peel back another layer of the Kate onion there's just more deceit. But I guess if lying to her church audiences, getting them to dig deep and help her out when she was already sitting on a pile of money doesn't bother her, a few misleading photos in her cookbook won't keep her awake at night either. She's a scam artist through and through.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 26
I was just cleaning out some old emails and I wanted to repost this one since we were just talking about Shirley Temple:
AuntieAnn has left a new comment on your post "'Home Improvement' child star arrested on DUI char...":
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 78
...the studio invited a bunch of kids she did't know to her birthday party.
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Margaret O'Brien and three other child stars from the Shirley Temple era were interviewed by Robert Osbourne on Turner Classic Movies awhile back. (I think Margaret can be counted as a coming through successfully).
Margaret and Jane Withers said Shirley Temple was such a hot commodity that the studio heads would not allow the less famous child stars to interact with her off the sets.
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I mentioned that again on the last thread. The 'lesser' child stars didn't hold it against Shirley though. They knew it wasn't her decision.
It could have gone to her head but thankfully she was morally incorruptible and remained so all her life.
I find it sad that I'm not surprised about the stock photos. The only thing that would truly surprise me is finding out Kate did some real work that involved effort and skill.
I'm also not surprised about Jon's overreaction on CT. He has shown consistently that he is emotionally immature. Unfortunately some people never grow up. We've all known 50 or 60 year olds who act like toddlers.
Deciding to change who you are is extremely difficult and takes long hours of therapy and lots of work. Most of us aren't up to it. After 10 years of therapy I've made tiny steps but only tiny. I thought of this with the addiction thing. Making large changes is always easier said than done.
For those poor children, it would be wonderful if at least one parent would truly work on growing and changing but it's unlikely.
More proof of Kate's 'inauthentic' self.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 200
Wow, this is a lot to digest - pun intended!
If nothing else, this is proof that TFW has deceived the readers of her cookbook. If a recipe lists ingredients A, B, and C, and there's a picture beside it, the assumption is that those ingredients will create the meal in that picture. There is no other interpretation -- no matter how the sheeple will be spending their Saturday trying to defend it.
TFW's name is on that cookbook, and we heard about the hours and hours she spent working on it. She was busting her buttons with pride.
This is a biggie. Get yer popcorn! And Auntie Ann, please get to your craft table -- there should be some award-worthy spin coming from the barnyard today!
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I've got my glue gun holster buckled on and at the ready.
Let me know when they get started.
I know that "officially" the use of stockphoto's isn't fraud, but why and how can you sell your cookbook with the favorite recipes of your kids (what she says) not with your own photo's of those dishes. And how can you "cheat" your fans (even though its just a handful) who walk dailly through fire for you on twitter. And we know some fans are looney and rabbid but they sure are loyal to her and deserve better from their obsession!
Shows how much she cares!!!!
I don't know where she bought the stock photos, but she had to sign a license agreement which spells out what is permitted and what the restrictions are that are considered copyright infringement. Just because you pay for stock photos does not give you a blanket right to publish them as your own.
I'm also not surprised about Jon's overreaction on CT. He has shown consistently that he is emotionally immature. Unfortunately some people never grow up. We've all known 50 or 60 year olds who act like toddlers.
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I haven't watched CT on my dvr yet, but suffice to say, I'm very disappointed to hear about Jon and Liz's behavior, foul language and tantrums to boot.
I know it's "reality" tv and everything is highly calculated and edited for ratings, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
You can't edit behaviors in, so Jon can not blame the editing elves any more than Kate.
Here's the thing. People who have bought this cookbook don't know that it's not uncommon to use stock photos. The ones who bought this book are sheeple or just casual fans of the show. They will assume that what they are looking at are photos of the actual dish that Kate cooked. They think, wow, what an awesome cook...beautiful photos, great-looking dishes, I didn't know that bought photos are often used, but I don't buy cookbooks.
It is misleading and reeks of deception on her part. Maybe they won't care, who knows, but to imply that this is what HER finished dish looks like (sausage bake, when it may be chicken bake, or whatever) is wrong. Period.
I've got my glue gun holster buckled on and at the ready.
Let me know when they get started.
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Any guesses as to whom will get the blue ribbon? :-)
OK so today I took my dd to visit Elizabethtown College (oh did I mention my ex, her dad came with?). Anyhow it wasn't until I saw the sign for Elizabethtown did I realize this is where J and K plus 8 was filmed. I guess since people here refer to it as E-Town LOL.
Didn't some fan tweet TFW that the dish they made from the cookbook didn't look like the pic?
Do as little as possible & get someone else to do all the real work while she takes credit for being "amazing".
You're right GKD! "Masterminding" is about as far as she takes a project - except for taking credit for it, of course. lol
As for photographing your food - I recently read a blog run by a Navy wife who said she takes her food outside every afternoon/nite to snap the pics because the light is better. I had to chuckle picturing her doing that, but also appreciate that she's so dedicated to go to that trouble.
I wonder if the prarie woman or whatever her name is (Ree?) used any stock photos.
Attention Sheeple! This is your Chief Executive Ewe! Sound the farm bell. Report to Pasture Number Eight. Wool out of eyes! This is not a drill. Repeat. This is not a drill. Set your hooves in motion. Man your barnyard. Bleat it!
I have to say that I truly don't understand the critisium and disappointment in Jon. He is not in theropy because he is doing well and is the perfect father. How is it that when he was on jk8 people critisized him for his weaknesses. Then he went private for a few years and people started to point out that he was the better person and should go rescue the kids. Now that he is willing and trying improve himself people are starting to criticize him again for his weakness. IT'S THERAPY, not miracles are us. He is the same guy, with the same weakness he had during his private life. He's the same guy that locals said he was a kind person and treated people with dignity. He's the same guy who put up with Kate for 10 years and was drug through the mud and ripped apart by TLC with out a way to defend himself. He's the same guy that has to pick his kids up at a gate, who's ex is manipulating his kids to hate him and looses almost every effort to make life at least a little better for his kids. Those wounds must be so deep and so painful for him. Who wouldn't be touchy and defensive? In my opinion, he has the right to play the victim because HE IS ONE. At least he is willing to listen to others counsel. He might pitch a fit at first but he is willing to work it out in the end.
So what that he has gone through therapy before and we don't see a change. Do you know that the statistic's are 3 out of 5 children who's parent carries the gene of addiction will also carry that gene? Do you know that 1 out of 5 people in rehab will stay sober? As long as he loves his kids, he and the woman he chooses doesn't harm them, and he is willing to self evaluate himself and work towards improving, I couldn't care less what comes out of his mouth. It will take a long time and hard work to remove the scars and scabs TLC, Kate, and the public inflicted on him.
The only wishy washy I see are the people that keep changing their mind over 10 to 15 minutes of filming and what they have read on the rag mags. There is no one who knows the final product from CT and what he has improved on. IT'S NOT OVER. I say again, cut him some slack.
Pioneer Woman does not use stock photos, I'd stake my life on it. She does a lot of the photography herself, she is very good, and I"m sure for full cookbooks she has a whole photoshoot team.
I think when they say this is common practice they're talking more about second tier books, if that's a term. Books that aren't going to make any best sellers lists or sell thousands of copies but quick vanity projects thrown together or a "content farm" type book thrown together just to make money on Amazon for a few months than on to the next ebook money maker. I'm shocked but not really that Kate has lumped herself into that group and not just forked over the money to be more professional.
I always thought that "bean bake" pic looked exactly like a chicken enchilada I used to get all the time at a local restaurant. Now the bean bake from her "blog" looks like a bean bake.
I've been watching the Jon/Kate fiasco play out on this website for several years. I am waiting for the day when Kate has to finally take responsibility for her life and accept the fact that she's really only famous for being the wife from hell. I had hopes for Jon, but with his new Kate-like partner, his unhealthy habits and horrible language, I've given up on him. I believe him when he implies that he doesn't want kids in his life. He and Kate are horrible excuses for parents.
I'm shocked but not really that Kate has lumped herself into that group and not just forked over the money to be more professional.
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Maybe she knew from the get-go that this was a last ditch attempt to stay relevant and she really didn't expect it to go anywhere, therefore she went el-cheapo on it.
I think when they say this is common practice they're talking more about second tier books, if that's a term
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Agreed.
The big Food Network names are not going to use stock photos. Thomas Keller-caliber chefs sure as hell aren't going to use stock photos.
In this age of e books, one of the few remaining reasons to buy a dead tree book is if it's a tome, if it has amazing, palpable photos and if the body of the work is a progressive tool for improving your cooking prowess.
The generic dump and stir and church recipe cookbooks are ubiquitous, and so yeah, I can see how someone who puts out a cookbook without having any discernible cooking talent would skip photographing yet another tuna casserole, another meatloaf, another wrap sandwich.
Seen one, seen them all.
None of Kate's recipes are dishes that are unique, or that you can't imagine on your own.
The higher-level books, with unique recipes have to be held to a higher standard.
Bottom line is that Kate's book is full of swill, and she knows it.
Why go the extra mile to make it look anything more than what it is- basic can and box cooking.
She should have just skipped the photos, but then, her book would be thinner than the Casey Anthony fan club's.
Hell, she filled two whole pages with boxed mac and cheese and canned tuna!
Pioneer Woman's blog and book recipe visuals are a bit diarrhea of the lens for me, but her style is uniquely her own and her talent undeniable.
I don' t think CT can be considered real therapy. JMO.
I think Jon's the better parent but he's far from perfect. But then, how many parents are? Some are just exceptionally nasty, like TFW.
localyocul said... 61
I always thought that "bean bake" pic looked exactly like a chicken enchilada I used to get all the time at a local restaurant. Now the bean bake from her "blog" looks like a bean bake.
February 15, 2014 at 3:06 PM
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Even if you do use stock photos, wouldn't you proof them and say, "hey, this photo for my bean bake? Where's the beans?? Find another photo, not this greasy gloop that could be anything.
One important thing with food photography is that you have to give the viewer a sense of what's in the dish.
Braises and casseroles are tough. The former is generally brown, brown, brown, and the latter is sometimes covered with a topping, be it cheese, or breadcrumbs.
You have to show what's actually in the dish- plate it, garnish it, arrange it, just show the viewer what they're eating.
That stock photo of the bean casserole is just lazy and embarrassing.
Hi GKD! NASCAR is big around these parts! I didn't realize the season was starting now. Enjoy your race watching!
njay said... 59
''I have to say that I truly don't understand the critisium and disappointment in Jon. He is not in theropy because he is doing well and is the perfect father.''
''..... In my opinion, he has the right to play the victim because HE IS ONE. At least he is willing to listen to others counsel. He might pitch a fit at first but he is willing to work it out in the end.''
''.......As long as he loves his kids, he and the woman he chooses doesn't harm them, and he is willing to self evaluate himself and work towards improving, I couldn't care less what comes out of his mouth. It will take a long time and hard work to remove the scars and scabs TLC, Kate, and the public inflicted on him.''
''....There is no one who knows the final product from CT and what he has improved on. IT'S NOT OVER. I say again, cut him some slack.''
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THANK YOU! I agree with every word you posted, but the parts I quoted are what I consider the bottom line about Jon and CT.
Also, I'm not forgetting that he made enough money doing CT to be able to get a five bedroom house near his children, and to hire an attorney to force TCFW to stop keeping his children from him. I think it is admirable that he did what he had to do to get the money he needed. How many times have many of us said that we would do ANYTHING to help our children? Jon did CT.
I looked at a couple of Ree Drummond's book, and they say "All pictures by Ree Drummond, except.." and she then lists the photos that are exceptions and credits the photographer.
I also looked at Ann Romney's cookbook, and she lists credits for each and every photo in her book. She lists them by recipe, and she did use some photos from Shutterstock. She not only credits Shutterstock but also names the photographer who took those pictures.
Kate, however, just gives a general photographic credit, without saying which pictures were taken by whom or where they came from.
Kate, on the other hand, just gives general photo credits and hopes that her fans won't find out her deception that the pictures aren't of food that she actually cooked.
Over And Out said... 58
Attention Sheeple! This is your Chief Executive Ewe! Sound the farm bell. Report to Pasture Number Eight. Wool out of eyes! This is not a drill. Repeat. This is not a drill. Set your hooves in motion. Man your barnyard. Bleat it!
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Okay, now you've got me wondering what would have happened if Michael Jackson had been a sheeple.
Just Bleat It, Bleat It, Bleat It, Bleat It
Sheeple Won't Be Defeated
Showin' How Funky Strong Is Your Fight
It Doesn't Matter, Kate's Wrong is Right
Just Bleat It, Bleat It
Just Bleat It, Bleat It
Just Bleat It, Bleat It
Just Bleat It, Bleat It
(Sung with one gloved hoof in the air, the other hoof grabbing your crotch.)
PJ (I've got this song stuck in my head now. Thanks Over and Out)
Over And Out said... 54
Any guesses as to whom will get the blue ribbon? :-)
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This could be anyone's race, but I'll bet they're all huddled at the fence waiting for the Deceitful One to speak.
She'd better come up with a good one this time.
localyocul said... 57
I wonder if the prarie woman or whatever her name is (Ree?) used any stock photos.
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Nope. I have two of her cookbooks.
Her first book "Pioneer Woman Cooks", - all photographs by Ree Drummond except: Title page Ace Cuervo, page 1 Winston's Photography pages 3,6 (upper left), 240 Bill Nuygard
Her newest book "A Year of Holidays": All photographs by Ree Drummond except title page, by Marlboro Man, and the vintage family photos courtesy of Ree Drummond
I don't have any of her books, but Pioneer Woman's website always shows step-by-step directions as she puts the dish together. That should have been an indication that something was fishy in Kate's book. There was no, do this, click, do that, click. None of that. Just throw it all in a pot and look at the miracle results. And Voila! Duped 'em again.
Are you able to see the comments on ROL with no trouble? I usually can, but not for the past few days for some reason. Wonder if it's my computer maybe?I think the less people hear and see Jon on TV, the better..in bigger doses, what you get isn't always what you thought he was. Plus his management needs to tell him that sometimes, the "real" Jon, isn't really what people want to see...they like the sanitized version better.
I haven't had a problem, winsomeone. But I don't read them all, just the ones that show up before having to hit 'load more'. And I agree with you. I like Sanitized (fake?) Jon way better than Real Jon! lol
How is it that all of Kates pizza pics are so terrible &/or burnt looking? Geez, I made got a tombstone pizza, and added some onion, kale & spinach, and mushroom to the sausage delux, and I even left it in the oven an extra 10 mins and it never burned , in fact it look real good and was real good. I wonder if, why her pizza burns, cause she uses an electric oven, I've heard stories over the years, that electric ovens burn more food than gas ovens? Anyone? I have a gas oven.
Even that wedding soup did not look good. Kate can manage to ruin food.
(Sung with one gloved hoof in the air, the other hoof grabbing your crotch.)
PJ (I've got this song stuck in my head now. Thanks Over and Out)
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LOL...you are most welcome. Do sheeple have crotches?
Also, I'm not forgetting that he made enough money doing CT to be able to get a five bedroom house near his children, and to hire an attorney to force TCFW to stop keeping his children from him.
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Is he renting or did he purchase the property? Did he ever say, other than that they moved?
Well that's good to know about Ree. I think what TFW is very disingenuous and deceiptful so it's good to know that not ALL cookbooks do this.
Njay and RemonaBlue -- Exactly! It's also very, very difficult to learn to overcome trauma, and trust me, Jon experienced a lot of trauma from his dealings with TFMJG. It takes YEARS, even decades, to learn to compensate for it. Some people work for a lifetime without truly recovering. Just when you think you have it licked, a sight, a smell, a sound can throw you right back into the event. If Jon doesn't have at least mild PTSD from over 15 years of dealing with TFMJG and her tantrums and her manipulation and her abuse, then he's a lot stronger person than anyone gives him credit for.
Another thing -- people who toot the personal responsibility horn -- Yes, people need to take responsibility for their actions. However, remember that reasons are not excuses. There's always a reason for a behavior. That doesn't excuse the behavior, but it goes a long way toward explaining it, learning to deal with it, and learning to overcome it.
OK so today I took my dd to visit Elizabethtown College (oh did I mention my ex, her dad came with?). Anyhow it wasn't until I saw the sign for Elizabethtown did I realize this is where J and K plus 8 was filmed. I guess since people here refer to it as E-Town LOL.
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The old homestead is right off the E-town exit of 283. I mean right off the exit. Very easy to find. You should have gotten a close look at it!
You should have told me you were coming. We could have had a few Rumspringas in the snow/rain event today. I hear more accumulating snow in the forecast for Tuesday morning, This has got to stop.
getofftwitter said... 76
How is it that all of Kates pizza pics are so terrible &/or burnt looking?
I wonder if, why her pizza burns, cause she uses an electric oven, I've heard stories over the years, that electric ovens burn more food than gas ovens?
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That's no excuse for burnt food. Electric ovens can be calibrated if they're too hot or not hot enough. So can gas ovens. It's a fairly simple operation. Check google.
I think the reason her food always looks so terrible is because she can't cook. Period.
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I wonder if, why her pizza burns, cause she uses an electric oven, I've heard stories over the years, that electric ovens burn more food than gas ovens? Anyone? I have a gas oven.
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I have an electric oven, and our pizza never burns. I didn't think that it looked too burned in the last photo...at least not compared to other ones. Her pizzas usually look very dark, but the dough seems to be on the raw side.
The sheeple seem to be unusually quiet tonight. Maybe they haven't read all of the tweets yet, or are still at their pasture muster stations.
Over And Out said... 78
''Is he renting or did he purchase the property? Did he ever say, other than that they moved?''
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I have no idea if he leased or purchased the property. If leased, just the first and last month and damage deposit would probably be more than Jon could have managed on his waiter job w/o having to save for a long time. Without CT, the cost of hiring an attorney would have been way out of sight, I'd think. Is it important if he is renting or not? If so, why do you think it matters?
O.T. but relevant to Pennsylvania's new "Gosselin law," the anxiety of children on reality TV, and child predators placed on the sets of reality TV shows:
Kelly Hyland of "Dance Moms" is suing Abby Lee Miller, Collins Avenue Entertainment and Lifetime.
I had all but stopped watching this distressing show, but I did watch a few episodes recently. It's clear that Lifetime is trying to goad as much bad behavior as possible. The lawsuit stems from a physical fight last week between Abby Lee and Kelly, which apparently was real.
A few excerpts from the article:
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Hyland, who has known Miller since childhood, had both of her daughters in the Pittsburgh dance school since before Lifetime made it famous. Hyland said it soon became clear “the children on the show were being subjected to abusive and unlawful working conditions.” She said they worked long hours without a break in violation of Pennsylvania labor laws.
She says she began to complain about the extreme burden this placed on her daughters during season two of the show. She had her attorney raise the subject but says she was told they were under contract and she would be sued for “everything she owned if she attempted to back out of the contract.”
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Daughter Paige began to suffer from anxiety and have panic attacks, according to the suit, and a counselor at her school “concluded Paige was being bullied by Miller.”
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There is also a reference to the show hiring a choreographer, who is not named, who was later charged with child sexual assault and possession of child pornography.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/dance-moms-star-abby-lee-680542
TFW could learn a lot of lessons on writing cooking blogs and doing cooking demonstrations just by reading other cooking blogs and watch amateur cooking shows on youtube. I have found great blogs and videos (and not so good ones). TFW is too lazy to actually do actual work. She just wants the big payday.
I thumbed through the book at a book store today. It was on clearance. The large number of servings per recpie in her cookbook are not practical for most families. It would have been better to have a chapter in the beginning on how to adjust recipes to increase or reduce serving size. There is also no real theme in the book.Small cookbooks usually have a theme or place in the market. Her book will only appeal to a small portion of fans who dont care about the content.
FYI if you want another good cooking blog then look at budget bytes. She has recipes with cost breakdowns. Its helped me slash my grocery bill in half. The author also has a book but I have not seen it in local stores.
Bitchy Pants said... 80
''....Just when you think you have it licked, a sight, a smell, a sound can throw you right back into the event. If Jon doesn't have at least mild PTSD from over 15 years of dealing with TFMJG and her tantrums and her manipulation and her abuse, then he's a lot stronger person than anyone gives him credit for....''
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Exactly! When I watched Jon's reaction to that ''fun test'', my first thought was that it triggered a PTSD sense memory! Jon SAID that was what he was feeling.
I know that decades later, the sound of a door slamming anywhere triggers a reaction from me. Even all these years later, I am very very aware of people in my space, and w/o realizing it, I make certain that I am an arms length away from the person, even though I'm in zero danger of being grabbed and smacked around.
This is from the "chemistry" section of Plenty of Fish, the company that gave the compatability test:
The POF Relationship Chemistry Predictor (POFCP) measures five broad dimensions of personality that are each essential for building a romantic relationship.
We measure...
Factor 1: Self-Confidence This dimension was created to measure the extent to which an individual feel comfortable with him or herself. The items in this dimension reflect elements of self-confidence in both private and public contexts.
Factor 2: Family Orientation This dimension was developed to assess the degree to which a person possess a family orientation.
Factor 3: Self-Control This dimension measures the extent to which a person exerts control over sundry aspects of their lives and the lives of others.
Factor 4: Social Dependency/Openness This dimension measures the extent to which a person is open to and dependent upon other people.
Factor 5: Easygoingness This dimension taps into characteristics associated with being relaxed and psychologically flexible. -We then generate matches for you from a statistical model based on thousands of successful couples who have taken our chemistry test.
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I am curious as to what the actual questions were that said that they were both low in family orientation. Something along the lines of," which would you rather do--go to the zoo with your family, or a night of drinking and driveway pissing?"
I think the reason her food always looks so terrible is because she can't cook. Period.
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Yep. That's the bottom line. Even photoshopping her food pix wouldn't help.
The girl.can't.cook.
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getofftwitter said... 76
How is it that all of Kates pizza pics are so terrible &/or burnt looking?
I wonder if, why her pizza burns, cause she uses an electric oven, I've heard stories over the years, that electric ovens burn more food than gas ovens?
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That's no excuse for burnt food. Electric ovens can be calibrated if they're too hot or not hot enough. So can gas ovens. It's a fairly simple operation. Check google.
I think the reason her food always looks so terrible is because she can't cook. Period.
PJ
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Electric ovens are in no way inferior to gas and do not burn food. People burn food.
Kate's pizzas usually have burnt cheese. Two things. First is that she apparently drowns the dough in tomato sauce, which will make the crust take longer to cook and will also make getting nice color on the bottom difficult.
Second is that Kate, being Kate, probably uses the lowest fat cheese she can. That lack of fat and moisture in the cheese will leave it prone to drying out and burning.
Tip- Try topping your homemade pizza with cheese(s) first, then your pizza sauce. Give it a drizzle of olive oil before sliding it into the oven.
I have an electric oven, and our pizza never burns. I didn't think that it looked too burned in the last photo...at least not compared to other ones. Her pizzas usually look very dark, but the dough seems to be on the raw side.
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In fact, the hotter, the better.
Indoors, in my oven, we cook pizza on a stone. I preheat the oven for an hour as high as it goes, 500 degrees. If I could crank it higher, I would.
Commercial pizza ovens cook at upwards of 800-900 degrees.
It could also be the 2-3 CUPS of bench flour that Kate uses!
It would have been better to have a chapter in the beginning on how to adjust recipes to increase or reduce serving size.
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Would anyone, other than the sheeple, really need this? The recipe feeds eight. You want to feed four. You halve the amount of ingredients. The recipe feeds six. You want to feed twelve. You double the ingredients.
Have I been doing it wrong all along? :)
Just caught the end of photo discussion...I think you can do image searches, I think that's what the guys on Catfish do.
Are there links on her photos?
So the "realest of shows"....not even a cook book is real?
Remona asked..." Is it important if he is renting or not? If so, why do you think it matters?"
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It was a question, Remona. Just a question. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter. I remember it coming up on tab sites, as well as on Twitter, that he bought a new house. I didn't remember if he said somewhere that he and Liz bought a place near Kate. or if they are renting, or if he said that they moved to a new place. There was some discussion that perhaps one of this motives for doing CT was so that he had money to buy a new place near his children. I was curious, that's all
Of course, curiosity killed the cat, or so they say.
Over And Out said... 96
Remona asked..." Is it important if he is renting or not? If so, why do you think it matters?"
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It was a question, Remona. Just a question. In the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter.
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As were my questions. Just questions. Thank you for the response to my questions, which answered my curiosity...almost getting us sideways w/each other!
Admin - what was she doing this whole time? Surely ( I know, I know ) you jest. Do you think it's easy to do an entire book on an iPhone? LOL
Ex Nurse said... 27
njay said... 12
Millicent said... 121
An addict or an obese person is a person who's poor choices and bad judgement just happens to be drugs and food.
Ex Nurse.....
I read over the posts on the previous page. I think what njay was saying was that if it hadn't been one addiction, it would probably be another one, because of underlying issues.
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Thank you Ex Nurse. That is a lot of what I was trying to say. The core meaning of what I meant was, others behavior (bad choices) can be and are just as hurtful to those around them as my (bad choices) addiction is to those around me.
What made me want to say what I did was because I was thinking about the harsh comment that gastric bypasses are just wrong. Thank God I'm far enough in my recovery to not be offended by that comment. I did think though, it was important to my recovery to educate that bad choices (speaking our mind) can be as hurtful to others as my addiction is hurtful to all those around me.
I don't know about you but I was lied to when I was little. I was told that sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me. Well, I have had many broken bones but they have never hurt as bad as some of the things people have said to me. The recovery for a wounded soul/spirit takes forever. Most of the time it's not the words that are said that hurts, it's the delivery. It can heal or it can kill.
It would be horrible to stand in the judgement and be told that not being able to control my tongue killed someones spirit. Or that someone took their life because my words made them feel less than human. Kindness is so needed these days.
gabby (95): So the "realest of shows"....not even a cook book is real?
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Au contraire. It IS real. Real amateurish.
I was just mentally adding up all the fake stuff Kate has done to weasel money or goods out of people and my mind froze. I can't count that high.
I think it all started with marrying Jon to get free dental work, then escalated from there. I wonder who paid for the fertility treatments, because I highly doubt it came out of her pocket.
Wherever it started, it's gone all the way to the fake photos in her uncookbook (which I will now christen it) with thousands freebies and millions of dollars in between. All gotten by duping people into handing whatever it she wants over to her. What I find incredible is that she's still at it and she still has fans.
I had hopes for Jon, but with his new Kate-like partner, his unhealthy habits and horrible language, I've given up on him. I believe him when he implies that he doesn't want kids in his life. He and Kate are horrible excuses for parents.
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Yes, yes and yes. I hope people in the future will be kind to the G8 because they're certainly having a rough childhood/teen years.
If leased, just the first and last month and damage deposit would probably be more than Jon could have managed on his waiter job w/o having to save for a long time. _____________________
Then why not work in IT? The guy tells a different story all the time. I can't keep them all straight any longer.
I believe him when he implies that he doesn't want kids in his life.
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Where and when did he imply this? On CT? I missed the show this week. Exactly what did he say?
It would be horrible to stand in the judgement and be told that not being able to control my tongue killed someones spirit. Or that someone took their life because my words made them feel less than human. Kindness is so needed these days.
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njay, it sounds like therapy is helping you. I hope you continue until you are fully healed. Being a victim isn't fun for you and everyone around you. Good luck! :)
POF Relationship Chemistry Predictor
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POF? Not Plenty of Fish. That hack free dating web site that's really just a giant hook up playground for cheaters and those too cheap to go on eharmony? I still haven't seen the web site but I wouldn't put any stock in PLENTY OF FISH. How ridiculous.
My biggest criticism of Ree is that she will post literally every photo she took in the roll.
I'm a big believer in taking however many photos you need to take, but only posting one or two of the best ones. When you post the whole roll it takes away from the one or two really spectacular ones you got and makes you look like just another mediocre photographer.
I don't think she is really spending much time growing as a photographer. Her photographs have plateaued and in some cases have actually gone downhill. She's not studying, reading or practicing, but that's understandable given how busy she is now with Food Network and all her other endeavors. The shooting days she describes sound marathon.
Just about anything could be under that thick, gloppy, greasy mess.
Like what? Let's see. .............
#5. Jimmy Hoffa 31
Now Tucker's, here is where we part ways.
To this day I believe that Jimmy Hoffa is buried in the Meadowlands.
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Weirdo Watcher @Weirdo_Watcher · Feb 14
Jon Gosselin scores LOW in the family orientation category ! Good thing for the kids Kate Gosselin gets an AAAAAAA++++ #CouplesTherapy @VH1
Weirdo Watcher @Weirdo_Watcher · Feb 14
@Chablis4u @VH1 Kate Gosselin A+takes that test everday when shes home feeding clothing loving & being their only provider. Jon skipped out
LetsDanceBaby @LetsDance99 · Feb 13
Damn John has become so ------!! EWW!! @CouplesTherapyV #ShouldntHaveCheated on @Kateplusmy8 😏 #vh1
Chablis @Chablis4u · Feb 13
@LetsDance99 @CouplesTherapyV @Kateplusmy8 I think Kate cheated first. :)
LetsDanceBaby @LetsDance99 · Feb 13
@Chablis4u @CouplesTherapyV @Kateplusmy8 either way #BARF
Jon's taking a beating on twitter. *sigh* I wish he would have stayed private, like he said he would. He's only helping Kate look better now.
I also looked at Ann Romney's cookbook, and she lists credits for each and every photo in her book. She lists them by recipe, and she did use some photos from Shutterstock. She not only credits Shutterstock but also names the photographer who took those pictures.
Kate, however, just gives a general photographic credit, without saying which pictures were taken by whom or where they came from.
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This is where her M.O. reminds me SO much of Lance Armstrong. Tons of guys did exactly what he did in races, but they all came forward, owned up to it, and were remorseful. He continued the lie forever. It got to the point where so many people were saying it's not what you did, it's the lying that so much worse.
If she wants to make a cookbook on the cheap and has to use stock photos to get it off the ground, well then that's what you have to do. But be honest about it like other cooks have. The lies by omission and careful word play are not anything to be respected.
But be honest about it like other cooks have. The lies by omission and careful word play are not anything to be respected. 110
True, but let's look at the bigger picture. When has Kate given anyone but Kate credit for anything?
Thanks, guys for the info on electric ovens. Like I said, those were stories I had always heard. I always thought, it's the cook, who was not watching. Yes, her cheese is always on the burnt side. Even the order pizza, hardly ever comes looking like that. It looks so unedible. I also have a presto pizza cooker, I got about 10 years ago, at Walmarts end of season sale, for $20. Cooks pizza, wonderfully, never burns it. Found out it cooks other things too. Before xmas I got a toaster oven on sale,(I got that for the summer months, so I can have baked shrimp, fish, etc, so I don't heat up kitchen) and have not tried pizza yet in it. Has anyone cook pizza in a toaster oven, how does it turn out?
I think there should be a distinction made between posters who comment here and the horrific things Kate's haters say on twitter.
I'd hate for anyone to see those disgusting tweets full of hyperbole and then judge us ALL for that behaviour.
What do the others here think? I find they hurt our cause of speaking out for the Gosselin kids instead of helping it. ?
Ad here are the latest twitterbots' tweets. Name your state or big city and just change it in the tweet below. Many foreign countries represented as well. I wonder what the buzz word was that set them off.
@moinuddin_hana: @Kateplusmy8 can I get a RT for your fans In Chicago?? c:
Rhymes with Witch said... 108
Just about anything could be under that thick, gloppy, greasy mess.
Like what? Let's see. .............
#5. Jimmy Hoffa 31
Now Tucker's, here is where we part ways.
To this day I believe that Jimmy Hoffa is buried in the Meadowlands.
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Which is exactly where Kate's food should be buried too.
Oh how I wish Jon had not gone on CT. It is such pure absolute trash, and if I knew him only by what I saw on the last show, I would not like him at all. I really don't like Liz. She is cold, hard, disgusting and I can't even imagine her being a mother. I hope she is better at mothering than I think she must be. What a step back for Jon. Shame on him.
Admin said POF? Not Plenty of Fish. That hack free dating web site that's really just a giant hook up playground for cheaters and those too cheap to go on eharmony? I still haven't seen the web site but I wouldn't put any stock in PLENTY OF FISH. How ridiculous.
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Yeah, I kind of guessed that when they said that the fact that they both smoke and drink were important things to have in common.
Bitchy, reasons are so frequently classified by some posters as "excuses" or "a pass" that I find it frustrating to discuss reasons. Looking for reasons and explanation is not a pass or an excuse but that's not how people see it.
"TFW could learn a lot of lessons on writing cooking blogs and doing cooking demonstrations just by reading other cooking blogs and watch amateur cooking shows on youtube. I have found great blogs and videos (and not so good ones). TFW is too lazy to actually do actual work. She just wants the big payday."
I don't think she has the foggiest notion how hard somebody like Pioneer Woman has worked to learn, then strengthen and mold her craft so that she can put together a great web site, T.V. show and cookbook that thousands read and depend on and that has CREDIBILITY. PW is but one example of the many talented women out there who have done the same. It's sort of like Malcolm Gladwell's 10,000 hours theory, that you need 10,000 of practice/study to truly be good at something. 100 hours won't cut it. Nor will even 1,000. I have no doubt that the Pioneer Women of the world have put in 10,000 hours at it if not 20,000, while the Kate's of the world are still plodding away at 1,000 or so.
And there's nothing wrong with that, that's fine if you don't want to dedicate yourself that much to your projects, but please don't prey upon ignorant fans who lap up anything you put out there and line your pockets with their hard earned money selling inferior and sometimes deceptive products.
Millicent, please forgive me for being so clueless. I can often be such a "duh" sometimes. Would you please enlighten me with what you are trying to say? I ask that sincerely.
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No. I have no desire to continue the convo on this particular subject.
On the subject of Kate's cookbook photos - it's no surprise she lifted some from elsewhere and did not give credit. That fits her personality to a T.
As I read comments re Jon's appearance on CT, it makes me glad I'm not bothering to watch the show.
Gigi said... 102
Yes, yes and yes. I hope people in the future will be kind to the G8 because they're certainly having a rough childhood/teen years.
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I find it sad that people well wish the G8 because of what they are going through as children. To bad we don't have a window into Jon's childhood. I wonder what he went through that is causing him to act the way he does and make the choices he is making. Every one of us are the product of what we have gone through in life. Just because we are grown doesn't mean we deserve less compassion and kindness. Jon has a good heart. That makes a strong foundation to build upon. Though the house may start to crumble, if the foundation is sound it can always be built back up.
By the way Gigi, thanks for your kind words to me.
Ulysses said... 113
I think there should be a distinction made between posters who comment here and the horrific things Kate's haters say on twitter.
I'd hate for anyone to see those disgusting tweets full of hyperbole and then judge us ALL for that behaviour.
What do the others here think? I find they hurt our cause of speaking out for the Gosselin kids instead of helping it. ?
February 15, 2014 at 8:57 PM
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The twitter haters and sites like RWA are/were in a different league than 15 minutes.
A sane conversation here can turn into an insane barrage of of hyperbolic and baseless tweets that litter Kate's Twitter timeline.
Just look at the accusations of plagiarizing photos because we discovered many or most of the food photos in LIITM are stock photos.
We're intelligent and circumspect enough to consider that Kate paid for the rights to use the photos, but it's still deceiving and misleading on many levels.
Not illegal, but amoral.
Personally, I don't give a shite what the Twitter haters tweet to Kate. It's not my problem and if someone can't discern the difference between what's rigorously and respectfully discussed here and the excrement that's flung on Kate's timeline, it's just not my problem.
Let them play in their sandbox and we'll play in ours ;-)
@elsmummy
@Kateplusmy8 missed your q&a (was working) can I have my $20 back? Donated 2 u unaware that u were buying a mansion #fleecingthehardworking
I also have a presto pizza cooker, I got about 10 years ago, at Walmarts end of season sale, for $20. Cooks pizza, wonderfully, never burns it. Found out it cooks other things too. Before xmas I got a toaster oven on sale,(I got that for the summer months, so I can have baked shrimp, fish, etc, so I don't heat up kitchen) and have not tried pizza yet in it. Has anyone cook pizza in a toaster oven, how does it turn out?
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I'm generally not one for single-function gadgets in the kitchen, but people seem to really like their pizza cookers!
They don't take up too much room and do the job with much less energy. Preheating a 30-inch oven takes a lot more time and $.
Very cool that you got it so cheap!
I have a toaster oven that I kept after buying and using it for a kitchen remodel. It's great for heating slices of Ellio's pizza- a remnant of my childhood days that I just can't let go of!
I also still plug the toaster oven in for baking potatoes or heating frozen apps or chicken wings. Again, it's fast and much less costly than heating a big oven cavern.
Then why not work in IT? The guy tells a different story all the time. I can't keep them all straight any longer.
Jon has explained that he enjoys working w/people in the restaurant setting, was sick of being in a cubicle, and the restaurant work allows him the flexibility to do things w/his kids. He's also stated that if/when he gets full custody and if needs more income that he'd consider going back to IT work. I don't see anything confusing about what he's said.
Needs change and he's been fortunate to be able to find employment that will allow him flexibility. I remember one job he had out of town, maybe out of state, when he was called home due to a sick child because TFW was incommunicado and it the long commute was a real problem for him. He switched to a job closer to home and that allowed him to be better available.
This is where her M.O. reminds me SO much of Lance Armstrong. Tons of guys did exactly what he did in races, but they all came forward, owned up to it, and were remorseful. He continued the lie forever. It got to the point where so many people were saying it's not what you did, it's the lying that so much worse.
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It remind me of John Edwards, who whose duplicity and subterfuge was more disdainful than his cheating on his terminally ill wife, if that's even possible.
If she wants to make a cookbook on the cheap and has to use stock photos to get it off the ground, well then that's what you have to do. But be honest about it like other cooks have. The lies by omission and careful word play are not anything to be respected.
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The biggest BS is Kate once again couching her need to make a book as "doing it for the children".
There's no reason to sell a book, and not keep it private anymore. It's just too easy to publish a beautiful book on your own.
There are many websites, like SnapFish, that allow you to make gorgeous, hard cover, glossy books, and give them to family.
Re: Dance Mom Kelly suing Abby - what a joke.
I hate to admit I watch the show but y'all got me hooked a few years ago when the show was discussed here and I've continued to tune in because I wanted to see the girls' dancing progress - and boy have they!
Kelly asserted on the show that she was goaded/provoked into assaulting Abby; she pulled her hair and scratched her. Abby was her usual self and antagonistic but hey, Kelly - you are responsible for your actions - own them. Abby called the NY police while Kelly and the girls ran to a waiting car and took off.
Interesting note: I thought it was kind of convenient that a car w/driver was waiting for them at the back door. They were both wrong w/their behavior but you don't assault someone whether they provoked you (pretended to be munching on your finger, lol) or not!
As for the working conditions - unless Abby owns the production company, it's not Abby's responsibility for the kids working long hours - it's the production company and parents. Unless Abby owns the production company I don't see how she'd be responsible for filming conditions. If they don't like Abby, feel she's overworking or bullying their kids then they should take their kids out of her classes! But Kelly can't/won't because of the national tv exposure they're getting from the show, especially w/Brooke's singing, ermmm, 'auto-tune' career.
UGH, I can't stand the behavior of most of the moms and I can't stand the way Abby is so rude to the girls. And, I don't know how much of what is shown on tv is real and how much is scripted.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 107
My biggest criticism of Ree is that she will post literally every photo she took in the roll.
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I don't like when I have to scroll through macro views of every. single. step. of. the. recipe.
I know how to stir, I don't need a visual of scrambling eggs etc.
Just show me the recipe! Where is it?
50 barely different pictures of brownies is a bit too precious, too.
My biggest criticism of Ree at this point is that she's using her children in her episodes. Her kids aren't just incidental anymore, they're part of the story arc.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 9h
Goodnight! Hoping we don't wake to 5 more inches of snow tomorrow so we can get out and about finally... #toomuchsnow #winterbegone
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For Pete's sakes, Kate, we've been out and about since Friday. All we had yesterday was a rain and snow mix that never laid on the ground. If she'd check the weather report, she'd see that they wouldn't be waking up to snow today. Looks like Milo just isn't doing her job with the weather alerts. What really gets me about TFW are the exaggerations. I guess she thinks that there are no locals who can call her out on her tall tales.
Since Plenty of Fish compatibility test is used with dating couples on a free dating website I felt the family orientation questions were more along the lines of whether you wanted to have children with the significant other. Jon and Liz are well past that and in fact I don't think that topic should have even pertained to them. Especially after seeing Jon & Liz's reaction to their score on this factor, like WTH, we love our families and being parents, we just don't want more children together. I don't think it meant at all that they didn't want to be parents, nor that they were not oriented to being a family unit.
***Since I wrote the above, I set up a fake POF profile to take a look at their relationship chemistry test. Yeah, I know I should get a life. lol (I was waiting for DH to get ready for church and had 10 min)
Out of 73 questions I only found 2 that in any way looked relevant to 'family orientation'.
#7 I would much rather eat dinner at a restaurant than at home
#22 I would like to have children in the near future
Some of the other questions were:
I want my children to speak English
Most of my ex-partners would take me back
I tend to work too long and hard
My religion is very important to me
I like to take care of all the details when doing things
Money is extremely important in my life
I am sensitive to other people's feelings
I tend to avoid questions about my personal life
When I'm in a relationship, I can be critical of my partner
The user ranks the question's importance from agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree, or disagree.
The Q about smoking and drinking was in the profile section and all it asked was did you smoke or drink and then whether you ONLY dated someone who did the same, was a deal breaker, etc.
POF said they base their results on statistics and I can't even pretend to know what those might be, but the only thing I can assume from CT is that Jon and Liz test results didn't reveal anything controversial about their relationship, so they took ONE question's results and made a big deal about it. It's much ado about nothing, IMO. I can see where Jon was coming from though -- he felt the producers were manipulating something inconsequential and making it into something it wasn't and since I believe family is important to Jon, I can see why he'd be upset. It appears the show took one question and applied the results to suit their purposes. An all to familiar reality tv occurrence.
What's with all these RTs of love from various states and regions- even world-wide, lol on TFW's twitter.
Just reminds me of an interview Jay Leno did with Charlie Sheen (they were discussing Lance Armstrong). He said "Americans will accept almost anything except hypocrisy." If you are honest about who you are and what you did people will forgive you much faster for your mistakes. They had mentioned how creepy it was that Armstrong not only lied about what he was doing but viciously went after and ruined the lives of those who spoke out against him.
Sound familiar????
What really gets me about TFW are the exaggerations. I guess she thinks that there are no locals who can call her out on her tall tales.
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It was fascinating to read Polly's (Small Town Gosselins) account of filming at the corn maze for Kate +8, and seeing Kate and TLC's version, edited for maximum effect.
Kate crowed about being glad they ate a big meal before going to the corn maze, because, wow! It was hard! As if they spent hours there.
In reality, they spend a whopping 20 minutes, with Kate stomping through the field in her 4" spiked heel boots, screaming at the kids to not walk through the corn, then walking through the corn to get out and do her cameo with the one of the boys.
Tucker's Mom (126)...
Regarding the haters. You summed it up perfectly, better than I could have said it. There are one or two on there who tweet the most disgusting things to Kate...things that are just not acceptable, no matter how you look at it. They are so fast to jump on things they read here, and then twist and turn them to suit their purposes. They accuse Kate of lying, but what they do is exactly the same thing. Knowing Kate's penchant for suing, I think I'd be extremely careful of tweeting to her that she's involved in criminal activity.
I look at some of those tweets and think that they have some serious mental issues going on in their own lives that cause them to live on Twitter for the purpose of lashing out with such anger and vile tweets. There's no other explanation.
Formerly Duped said... 131
What's with all these RTs of love from various states and regions- even world-wide, lol on TFW's twitter.
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It all started with this tweet:
Amber Kenney @Prettybowes · 14h
@Kateplusmy8 RT for super fans in Iowa! :) Thanks!
Kate retweeted it, and then some more fans asked the same thing(for a different area). Kate retweeted 6 more. So now, of course, more are jumping on the bandwagon and are trying to get Kate to retweet their tweet, because you know they will all just die if they get a retweet from their idol.
I have a weird ad on the bottom- a pink bra that says Play Free?? Did Stephanie leave it behind?
What's with all these RTs of love from various states and regions- even world-wide, lol on TFW's twitter.
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They are bots. What's making them show up now is anyone's guess. You can always tell because most of the bots, but not all, use photos of "real" people, rather than avatars of flowers, landscapes, etc.
I can see where Jon was coming from though -- he felt the producers were manipulating something inconsequential and making it into something it wasn't and since I believe family is important to Jon, I can see why he'd be upset. It appears the show took one question and applied the results to suit their purposes. An all to familiar reality tv occurrence.
See, this is the sort of thing that irks me about Jon. He repeatedly places himself in the role of victim, and then cries foul.
Why would he get upset by this, when he knows full well the nature of celeb-reality TV, in which CT is known for being a "player"? He knows, from a depth and breadth of experience, how story lines get skewed and exaggerated for maximum effect, so why did the test results bother him so much? And to the larger point, why oh why did he sign up for this CT gig, knowing, as he must have, that he might at some point be manipulated, yet again? Money's a consideration, I get that, but where do you draw the line? Sad to say, the truth is that he pimped himself out, yet again, to the highest bidder. And his kids, too, by proxy.
http://www-deadline-com.vimg.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Dance-Moms-Assault-Suit-WM__140215022006.pdf
For anyone who wants to read the lawsuit that Kelly Hyland of Dance Moms is filing against Abby Lee Miller and the production company. The behind-the-scenes details of children in reality TV are very revealing. One interesting tidbit is that the children work 60 hours a week for each 42-minute episode, meaning the children work more than an hour for every minute shown on TV. People like Milo who think filming reality TV is all fun and games and big bucks for children really need to open their eyes.
Isn't it interesting that another sexual predator showed up on this reality TV set, too? These creeps must flock to these situations because of the lack of background checks (right?) and regulations, the long hours with children, and in this case the skimpy costumes.
Also, it's clear that the "stars" (used loosely) of these shows--the Kate Gosselins and Abby Lee Millers--become raging megalomaniacs due to the adulation and money.
Then some of the children--Gosselins and Paige Hyland--show stress, anxiety, depression, withdrawal.
Page 21-23 is a contractual letter giving the amounts the Hylands were paid per episode, for bonuses, etc. If you sell your soul to the devil, what will you be paid? There it is.
Personally, I don't give a shite what the Twitter haters tweet to Kate. It's not my problem and if someone can't discern the difference between what's rigorously and respectfully discussed here and the excrement that's flung on Kate's timeline, it's just not my problem.
Let them play in their sandbox and we'll play in ours ;-)
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That's how I feel about it. There has been this small group of over the top "haters" for years now. I don't think they make us look bad, why would they? That's not what goes on here. Like you said, if someone can't tell the difference between that and a rational conversation, that's really their problem, nor should we really care. The people here are rational and fair by and large, which is why I let the comments through and continue to engage with you. I like this sandbox and don't much care about other sandboxes and what they're up to, never have.
Virginia Pen Mom said... 139
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Thanks for the pdf link.I have watched Dance Moms and again wondered how much was staged, even this last fight. I did see terrified looks on the girls' faces, tears and panic attacks ( Kendall) Paige seems like a sweet child who was always the first one criticized. Why on earth did these mothers put the girls on this show to be treated a like dirt, humiliated and abused by Miller? How long is this binding contract? The show seems to be continuing with a new cast plus her favorite student,Maddie, anyhow. I don't watch it now but find this scandal heart-breaking.
I don't like when I have to scroll through macro views of every. single. step. of. the. recipe.
I know how to stir, I don't need a visual of scrambling eggs etc.
Just show me the recipe! Where is it?
50 barely different pictures of brownies is a bit too precious, too.
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I don't mind the food photo steps as much since I usually just scroll to the bottom for the actual recipe, as I mind 50 pictures from the cattle drive at 5am that morning where none of them are that spectacular. Take your time, take one or two really phenomenal shots, and post those.
I still know next to nothing about her kids personally, which I appreciate. I couldn't tell you anything about their personalities, they're just random kids. And the kid they feature the most is Alex who's 17 if not 18 already, so I figure she's well old enough to have a pretty good idea what she's consenting to. Plus all they do is show them eating, riding horses, or watching movies. Her baby, who really isn't even a baby anymore (he must be 9?) is barely shown. I just don't get a red flag uncomfortable feeling about it.
As for photographing your food - I recently read a blog run by a Navy wife who said she takes her food outside every afternoon/nite to snap the pics because the light is better. I had to chuckle picturing her doing that, but also appreciate that she's so dedicated to go to that trouble.
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The moment when you realize that you should only be shooting outside at dawn and dusk (unless of course you have reflectors and lighting set ups to manipulate the light, which few people do) is the moment where you elevate yourself from just a good photographer to a potential to be really great. That's a good sign that she has an in-depth understanding of photography beyond just "that's a pretty picture." This is what I'm talking about, people like that Navy wife have obviously spent a great deal of time learning about photography to understand why dawn and dusk are so important. I don't believe that very many photographers just fall into it and are great. An aptitude for it may be in your DNA, but until you really take the time to study it, few people will come up with anything really amazing. This goes for cooking and writing a cookbook. Kate thought she could just throw a few things together and call it today. The result is that monstrosity. She still hasn't bothered to learn a darn thing about photography when she posts pics. For every lazy pic she posts of her crappy food, who knows how many people lose interest or how many people she failed to snag in the first place who may have seen it. Her laziness finally caught up big time.
I don't understand Jon's upset either. Jon knows he loves his children and he should know there is nothing wrong with deciding not to have anymore after having eight. I don't know why some hack test from a hack web site with a terrible reputation for just being a hook-up spot for cheaters and losers (that's not to say there may be many decent people on the site and healthy relationships, but there's no denying its shady reputation) would upset him. HE knows how he feels about his kids, so why be upset about what someone else says. Maybe it felt like the final straw for him after putting up with Kate insulting him as a father for the past five years. Maybe it just felt like he can't take it anymore.
What I have learned about men is that they take their role as father and husband and provider very seriously and when you insult that they seem to get far more bent out of shape than most women do.
AuntieAnn said... 74
I don't have any of her books, but Pioneer Woman's website always shows step-by-step directions as she puts the dish together. That should have been an indication that something was fishy in Kate's book. There was no, do this, click, do that, click. None of that. Just throw it all in a pot and look at the miracle results. And Voila! Duped 'em again!
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Funny, Auntie Ann! I would say, talking about all the cans she uses for cooking, Dumped and Duped them again! lol
Thanks for the link Virginia Penn Mom. I happened to see the episode last week and it looked to me like it went down just as Kelly said in the lawsuit. Kelly did ask ALM to get her finger out of her face (multiple times) and the manner in which ALM was going towards her was very threatening. And what was up with the snapping jaws? It's all there on tape.
Jo
Did I hear this Dr Jenn person correctly? She wanted to do a compatibility test "just for fun" and so "looked for a company that had one." And then she goes all DramaRama Queen defending her integrity when Jon overreacts?? Quack Quack.
It makes me so sad to see Jon smoking and cussing up a storm. And I wish that he had made no mention of his career in TV.
And Liz reminds me of my cousins up north. Enough said.
I can see why Jon would suspect that he was being set up, add the fact that his compatibility results were revealed last. All the other couples were deemed compatible (I could be wrong on the others' results), so some drama was needed for the tv cameras. Quack Quack.
I expect more maturity from Jon, yet, for the duration of his marriage Jon (like his 8 children) was like an orphan in Oliver Twist. Jon's maturation got frozen in time (I believe that he started the marriage out immature to begin with - that's why TCFW selected him). Jon worked day and night for his family, yet without a whiff of physical or emotional affection from the Orphanage Matron, TCFW. Jon got nothing but beat down.
I pray that Jon addresses his dependency issues (smoking, alcohol, food, relationships). Doing so often jump-starts the maturation process.
Jon was TCFW's dupe in her grandiose scheme to get rich and famous. I pray he can work to leave his role as dupe behind (think - a dupe in CT as well, in my opinion) and become the mature, stable father that the G8 so desperately need.
Based on her cans in cooking. Rudolf the Red Nosed Reindeer. This no way implies that the photographer was in on anything. Just purely SNARK!
Katie the Recipe Can Opener
Had a very shiny tin can
CHOPPED never let poor Katie
Get CHOPPED on their show! (darn!)
All of the other real chefs
Laugh and call her names
They never let poor Katie
Do the pilot with Paula Deen!
Then one foggy photographer's eve
The photographer came to say,
Katie, with your cooking so bad
Katie buy some iStock
That is the new fad
Now all the sheeple love her
As they bleated with gleam
Katie the Recipe Can Dumper
Her deception and amoral are now printed History!
What's with all these RTs of love from various states and regions- even world-wide, lol on TFW's twitter.
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They are bots.
The people asking for RT from TFW aren't bots. Bots are automated response/replies/spam. The RT's from yesterday and today are real people. As someone upthread posted, a couple fans asked for RT, TFW was kind enough to reply and so the rest are following suit.
When Jon gets his act together (knock wood), he won't need to rely on external validation so much anymore. And he won't cry victim when he's been played for a fool, because, well, he'll stop acting the part. I hope it happens for him soon, for his own good and the sake of his kids.
He spoke in one interview about having come to the point where he realized he could do all the Post-it Note tasks Kate set out for him, for days and years on end, but the truth was: he'd never please her. And TLC played that up, big time. That's when he decided to bail.Not in the most illustrious ways, lol, but he said he learned a great deal about himself from having gone though all of that. But from all appearances, some of the most important lessons didn't stick.
Cue, Couples Therapy. Jon apparently had a similar lightbulb moment about ticky-boxes on a compatibility test having revealed unpleasant truths about himself & his current partner. Whoa, and woe is me, who would've thought that a reality show would seize upon juicy tidbits like that, and blow them up for effect?!? In that teachable moment, when the light dawned yet again over Jon's beleaguered head, he didn't sit up straight and take notice. Nope, he yelped like a whipped puppy, tucked his tail between his legs, whined about calling his manager so he could cut and run. And then--to neither his credit nor credibility's sake--he conflated the reasons he left his first reality show with his reason for wanting to "exit, stage left" on this one. Was it for the sake of the kids, Jon, or to assuage your own bruised ego? You muddied the waters about that.
Reality TV isn't the problem. Your lack of awareness is. Sure, producers can and do take advantage of your situation and persona (real and imagined). But you knew that, right? You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas. (All apologies to dog-lovers here. I'm not talking about our four-legged friends.)
Therapy's hard work, I know that. And change is nigh unto impossible, until and unless the right motivation kicks in. I hope Jon found it in CT, still and all. I'm still rooting for him--and for those beautiful children of his. I hope he can put aside whatever it was that happened in his near and distant past, and that he'll find a way to look instead (with clear eyes) to his future.
Fix your gaze, Jon, on your darling but very impressionable kids, who are watching (and learning from) every single move you make….We'll cheer you on, from the sidelines.
She still hasn't bothered to learn a darn thing about photography when she posts pics. For every lazy pic she posts of her crappy food, who knows how many people lose interest or how many people she failed to snag in the first place who may have seen it.
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She just can't move past that aerial shot of her finished product plopped on a plate on the granite countertop or the occassional snapped photo of a child's plate on the table. That's the extent of her imagination. In all the years she's been taking pics with her iphone, she's had one fairly nice one and it was probably by accident. It was a bowl of vegetables in the sink and the sunlight hit it just right IIRC. ONE PHOTO of the thousands she's taken. lol!
She refuses to educate herself before she jumps into all her scatterbrain projects. Then when they fall flat she blames everyone else.
AuntieAnn, do you mean the one with beans or peas, I forget which. I remember I liked that one, although wondered why she didn't use a colander to rinse them. There were 8 little birds or something on the window sill, too.
So, no cutesy tweets and pics for Valentine's Day this year?
For anyone who wants to read the lawsuit that Kelly Hyland of Dance Moms is filing against Abby Lee Miller and the production company.
Thanks Virginia Pen Mom for the link.
If Kelly and the other moms didn't like what they experienced then why did they continue to sign up for this? "If you sell your soul to the devil, what will you be paid? There it is." I guess they didn't learn ANYTHING from J&K+8! And, where the heck has PA DOL been for 4 seasons of Dance Moms????
While the production company may be wrong and Abby also, I can't place all of the blame on them when the parents, with open eyes agreed to put their children in these situations - over and over. And especially the moms, who've played along with the ridiculous baiting of each other and fighting continuously. They don't have to take the bait and engage with each other in such nasty ways. UGHGHGHHHH
A couple of moms have played it pretty cool since I've been watching and have stayed out of the battles for the most part. I didn't read anything in the suit that said they were required to yell, scream, swear, or accuse each other of things or else they were in violation of their contract if they didn't.
Re the hours Kelly is complaining about - I wonder if the kids would have been putting in the same number of hours whether they were on tv or not. They still have classes, rehearsal time, travel and competition time, etc.
Soo, #50 "she remains willing to participate in" the show??? WHY??? If her children are being abused and bullied why would she subject her children to more??? Is it about the exposure and the "contractual weekly compensation for each episode" that she wants? I don't get it.
Bwahahaha "attempted to strip Plaintiff of her dignity and reputation among her peers and through the dance and entertainment industry." (I kinda think Kelly's own behavior did that for her.) "... the statements expose Hyland to hatred, contempt, ridicule, or obloquy, to cause her to be shunned or avoided." Well, I'd avoid someone who behaved that way, too! Provoked or not, there are other ways to respond than yelling, screaming, pulling someone's hair and scratching their face/head. Just because Abby behaves badly is no reason for the moms to do the same. UGHHHHH
Ah ha, there's the pesky non-compete clause #66.
I wonder how many contracts have been signed? The suit reads like there were at least 2, maybe 3?
I'm all for personal responsibility. I disagree completely w/the way Abby treats the dancers and their mothers, but the mothers aren't without blame and responsibility @ their treatment of Abby and each other, including this past episode when Kelly accused one of the girls of lying. I'd never put my children in any situation close to what the Dance Moms do, whether it's scripted drama or not, and I'd certainly never sign such contracts knowing what they did about J&K's history (well, I'd never sign my children up for ANY reality tv!)
Carole, sorry but a lot of them are bots and their key phrase is RT to your fans. You can buy bots to retweet to make you look popular. Most of them have never tweeted Kate and will never tweet her again (until she pays for them). This is just to deflect from #stockphotogate and show the world how really popular she still is. Too bad they didn't all buy books.
Jo
I also was surprised at Jon's reaction to the compatibility test. He had to know that it was based upon how he/they answered certain questions and fed into a computer, and if and Liz were to retake the quiz and answer the same questions differently, the results would of course change.
Recently I helped a 67 year old woman fill out a questionnaire for an online dating web site and I was surprised at some of the questions. In re smoking her choices about a possible mate were along the lines of a) full time smoker, b) part time smoker, c) social smoker, d) occasional smoker, e) does smoke but only smokes outside, f) less than a pack a week smoker, and g) never smokes.
Not hard to see how a response to one of these questions would change the outcome of a test.
The kicker is pretty much the same responses were under the category of what my friend was looking for in terms of a mate who drinks alcohol.
So what we learned is that Jon and Liz both smoke and drink. Big deal. That is something they have in common confirmed by a computer. But there are other things that is not covered and yet they have been together for two years, and they are still together.
It comes down to only Jon and Liz are going to decide if they are compatible no matter what the computer said a few months ago. Sure they can retake compatibility tests and even see if they are compatible based upon their zodiac signs, but again, only Jon and Liz can decide if they stay together or not.
The people asking for RT from TFW aren't bots. Bots are automated response/replies/spam. The RT's from yesterday and today are real people. As someone upthread posted, a couple fans asked for RT, TFW was kind enough to reply and so the rest are following suit.
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Oops. Sorry. I made a mistake. I know what bots are, at least I think I do! Ten lashes with a wet noodle, or five with a wooden spoon. I was trying to figure out what the keyword was in those tweets and couldn't find one. Kate has so many people who love her, as Young Emily pointed out:
Emily Creighton @EmCr68 48m
@Kateplusmy8 is on a "retweeting roll!" Just shows all the love there is for mamaG!
So much love, sure. She should read the comments on all of the blogs, and negative remarks made about her on websites and compare them with the handful of people asking for retweets. Em needs to grow up and stop with this obsession with her "MamaG," or at least spell it correctly. "Mama" is a Spanish-Canadian horror film. It's "Momma." Why would a college freshman refer to an almost 40 divorced woman as Mama? Something's not right there.
Evelyn @Magicalyn 2h
lol watching Say Yes to the Dress and Kate Gosselin is on for a vow renewal … #oops kinda funny in hindsight
Yes, real funny. Promising children that their parents would be together forever when they know that the whole wedding vow renewal was a farce and nothing more than to grab a free trip to Hawaii. Quite amusing.
Sure they can retake compatibility tests and even see if they are compatible based upon their zodiac signs, but again, only Jon and Liz can decide if they stay together or not.
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Isn't that the way it's usually done? In the end, the couple decides whether to stay together or split up. How many people actually rely on internet test results to determine if they are compatible?
Carole, sorry but a lot of them are bots and their key phrase is RT to your fans. You can buy bots to retweet to make you look popular. Most of them have never tweeted Kate and will never tweet her again (until she pays for them). This is just to deflect from #stockphotogate and show the world how really popular she still is. Too bad they didn't all buy books.
To bot or not to bot? That's the question! Perhaps the sheeple meeting last night might have been to come up with the best strategy to deflect from the fake picture debacle. I haven't read all of the tweets. How are the sheeple handling stock foodgate?
So, no cutesy tweets and pics for Valentine's Day this year?
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Yes. Pic of well-done heart-shaped pizza (same old, same old) and something on the side...don't know what that was.
I agree, they are bots. I bet Kate even has it set up to auto retweet. It is a ploy to make her appear popular. Not going to work. However, I am waiting for her to pull something else out of her bag of tricks. Surely there will be a big twitter buildup to her birthday in March and what big plans the kids have for her. Let's guess it: a cake baked by Cara and Mady and homemade "I Love You" cards and maybe even breakfast in bed! Those kids sure do adore their mom, don't they?
Sure they can retake compatibility tests and even see if they are compatible based upon their zodiac signs, but again, only Jon and Liz can decide if they stay together or not. 156
I agree.
Also, I did not see the episode, but I wonder if Jon exaggerated for the camera.
Jo said,
"Most of them have never tweeted Kate and will never tweet her again (until she pays for them)."
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That's what I was wondering about when I read all the pleas for RTs. I never saw their names before. They certainly aren't die-hard sheep who have popped up on her TL at the same time. That makes no sense. If you look at the time that they tweeted, you can see that most of them asked for the RT at the same time. What are the chances that these all are fans who have showed up at the very same time (14-15 hours ago) especially since these tweeters never were there before?
So if many of them indeed are bots, then Kate is retweeting fake fans that she bought and they will never see the retweets? How stupid is that?
Speaking of compatibility ~ my BF and I have been together for over 5 years. What surprises everyone who knew us before we became a couple is that we have nothing in common. We are polar opposites about everything. It is to the point that the subject of politics and religion cannot even be brought up anymore because we agree to disagree on both the little issues and big ones.
FTR I am the daughter/sister/niece/cousin of alcoholics so not a surprise I do not drink. I also have never taken a hit off of a joint (in 7th grade we had an addict speak to our class about just saying no and it stuck with me). I don't care about what other people do as long they don't do it around me.
My BF is a former drug addict, you name it he has done it, and he was on meth for over 25 years. Two years before we met he did voluntarily go to rehab but when he got out his wife purposefully sabotaged him to get him back on meth so he left her (she is still on meth).
Eventually I wound up hiring my BF to work on my ranch, we got to talking about life, he wanted to hook up with me but I told him the last alcoholic I tried to help I failed, and I knew nothing about drug addicts and I didn't want to know. Well the BF decided I was worth it so he went cold turkey off the drugs and has been off them ever since.
Because I have been around 12 step programs for decades - Alateen, Alanon, Overeaters Anonymous (due to growing up in an alcoholic home I turned to food when I was a teenager) -- I am aware that anyone in recovery can slip.
Unfortunately with Philip Seymour Hoffman's recent overdose after 23 years of sobriety was just a reminder of this fact, and yes it scares the hell out of me. This is why I won't marry the BF -- if he slips and goes back to his old ways -- I'm leaving this relationship and he knows I'm serious.
Based on the above info, how did we wind up together? Divine Intervention. He and I realized it at the time and that is all that matters. However, as if we needed another "sign", two years after we hooked up he showed me the ranch where he grew up in CA. Geez, what are the chances that 20 years ago when his father died and the CA ranch was sold that the buyer worked for my uncle at my grandfather's dairy 50 years ago in PA? Further that the buyer remembers meeting my mother and me when I was 6 years old in the early 1960s? FTR it is 2,500 miles from the PA dairy to the CA ranch.
Bottom Line: People who have nothing in common can in fact have a healthy and happy relationship as long as they work through (or around) their issues, especially when they are polar opposites and I'm speaking from personal experience.
DENISE @Mydmaxx 2h
@Kateplusmy8 are u still snowed in? Cabin fever yet?
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NO, Denise, NO! Kate is not snowed in. She had her friendly neighbor plow her driveway. The roads have been clear since Friday. You and Milo really have some kind of weird obsession with Kate's weather and being snowed in. We really do have snow plows here. They open roads and this time they did a decent job getting them cleared and everyone back to business as usual. Honest.
Sorry, should of said, As they bleat OUT with gleam! lol
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 144
I don't understand Jon's upset either. Jon knows he loves his children and he should know there is nothing wrong with deciding not to have anymore after having eight. I don't know why some hack test from a hack web site with a terrible reputation for just being a hook-up spot for cheaters and losers (that's not to say there may be many decent people on the site and healthy relationships, but there's no denying its shady reputation) would upset him. HE knows how he feels about his kids, so why be upset about what someone else says. Maybe it felt like the final straw for him after putting up with Kate insulting him as a father for the past five years. Maybe it just felt like he can't take it anymore.
What I have learned about men is that they take their role as father and husband and provider very seriously and when you insult that they seem to get far more bent out of shape than most women do.
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He didn't seem upset about the finding that neither was family oriented, he was upset about the incompatibility result. I don't think "taking his role as father and provider very seriously" had anything to do with his little hissy fit.
We'll cheer you on, from the sidelines.
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WHAT! You just called him out for his weaknesses and slapped him verbally, opening the door for anyone to take you words and jump on the bandwagon of criticism. Remember the saying, "there is strength in numbers?" How is that cheering him on?
Those who are seeking healing and change WILL NOT open up if they don't feel it's safe. They need a support group who will say, "yeah, that probably wasn't the best choice but lets look for what you can learn and grow from." I GUARANTEE YOU, they will come to you next time they feel unsure about their choice. Not only that, they will more than likely take your advice and be forever grateful for it.
Oh great, now I'm starting to cry. What a trigger to remind me of the loneliness and fear I had when it came time for me to leave the safety of my rehab group. Jon, if you or anyone you know read here, please know that I am praying for you. Hang in there. I support you unconditionally. I wish there was away to contact you and let you know that you could feel safe sharing with me.
Serendipity said... 159
How are the sheeple handling stock foodgate?
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I don't read their blogs and I haven't seen any of them comment about picturegate on Kate's TL. Actually, I think they're too busy high-fiving each other over the latest BV lawsuit.
Rhymes with Witch said... 162
Sure they can retake compatibility tests and even see if they are compatible based upon their zodiac signs, but again, only Jon and Liz can decide if they stay together or not. 156
I agree.
Also, I did not see the episode, but I wonder if Jon exaggerated for the camera.
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IMO Jon's reaction to hearing that he and Liz would not last was a surprise to him but overall his reaction was most definitely "over the top" as others have noted above.
This is especially true from someone who works with computers and no doubt knows how computer programs are written in the first place. But for him to want to call his manager because he felt he was set up and once again he is being played as a fool ...
Do I think Jon has a lot of baggage when it comes to his experience working with TLC and how a reality TV is not always based in reality? YES.
Do I think that CT is a reality show that is primarily based in reality? YES -- but these are real couples that have some real issues, and whether or not they are there to get help, have a "free" vacation or earn extra income we will never know.
My POV is that I think Farrah is there for the TV exposure, as well as Taylor since they both don't need the money. As for the other three couples I think they have relationship issues so they are there for the therapy and the paycheck is an added bonus. Now as for Jon and Liz, not only are they there for the therapy and paycheck, but an all expenses paid vacation to California.
Serendipity said... 157
Em needs to grow up and stop with this obsession with her "MamaG," or at least spell it correctly. "Mama" is a Spanish-Canadian horror film. It's "Momma."
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I guess Merriam-Webster better get to work correcting the dictionary, because they define "mama" as "mother."
Carole said... 127
Re: Dance Mom Kelly suing Abby - what a joke.
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I think you will feel differently once you read the complaint/suit. v Penn Mom at 139 provided the link.
I used to feel the same way about one point: if ALM was so detrimental to the kids' self-confidence, and if the working hours exceeded the moms' expectations, then why didn't they just quit?? Well, according to one detail in the suit, the production company would retaliate by "suing them for everything they have". Sound familiar??
Apparently, you sign a contract for a reality show and even when it goes sour, you have zero clout to get out (unless you want to be driven into poverty). There appears to be no escape clause for the 'hired'.
I don't think "taking his role as father and provider very seriously" had anything to do with his little hissy fit.
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After five years of putting up with Kate insulting him as a father, I think that he's entitled to a little hissy fit...or for that matter, even a big hissy fit.
Serendipity said... 160
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LOL I have no idea what the second plate of food is either, dessert or main course. There are peas to the side, so I thought maybe heart- shaped fries, but what is that...mass? It looked a bit like pie crust at one side, but not pizza? Ham? I really have NO clue. Hope this is not suggested in her ''traditional typical holiday 10 star rated meals 'in the crookbook.
I don't have the pink bra game, but I have been getting the pink ad for Fingerhut, whatever that is. I've learned not to click on any of these things because when I did, I kept getting the Asian girls who wanted to chat. I didn't want one of them. I miss Stephanie.
He didn't seem upset about the finding that neither was family oriented,
That part didn't upset them because it's true.
he was upset about the incompatibility result.
This part seemed to upset them both terribly. I wonder why that is. It really hit a hot button with both of them.
Maybe because they both know that they're not all that compatible? But are heavily invested in that not being true?
Reminds me of a kid strenuously denying having done something when you are 99.9% sure that he did do it.
My other thought is that it upset them so much because they *know* how deceitful and manipupative TLC was. Although why he would think that CT would be any different is odd.
Tells us perhaps the depth of TLC lies is far more than we have any idea?
lukebandit @lukebandit 16m
@Kateplusmy8 Heard there was snow but it didn't stick 2 ground, YdoU hyperbole abt the WX? ALL big trees N driveway destroyed? Still there!
lukebandit, I think you misunderstood what I said. We did have snow...close to 18 inches and believe me, it did stick to the ground. The plows were out in full force. It's still on the ground, and unless we get a good thaw, it will be there for some time. The roads, however, did get cleared from that storm.
What we had yesterday was a very wet snow, and that is what didn't stick to the roads. They were just wet. We're getting snow every couple of days. Kate didn't lie about our Thursday storm. That one was a big one. By Friday, however, people were able to get out, and yesterday's snow didn't amount to anything.
...when you have nothing to say....talk (tweet) about the weather. LOL
Luke bandit, thanks for your parody song! Very funny!
Mickey McKean, thanks for your personal story. And thanks to others here who have shared personal experiences and perspectives. Why I love this blog! We can discuss so many things!
kate, we know you read here. Here is some advice for your upcoming birthday.
For the last 6 birthdays I always wanted to take my 3 sons out to eat. But, I haven't been able to. Why for once don't talk about your birthday on twitter until that day AFTER you celebrate. TAKE ALL the kids to a nice restaurant, NOT CHIPOLTE, and let them order anything they want. China plates, real silverware, real glasses. They deserve it. Don't take Steve. If Jon can take all the kids out by himself, so can you.
This will go a long way in showing people that for once you didn't think about yourself and did something nice for your kids. kate, they are getting older. You need help to control your anger. You will regret later in life that you didn't and that pain is very hurtful and will eat you alive.
Also, a great deflector of the recipe pictures gate. A win-win!
I was very good to all my sons. They got muddy outside, who cares, hose them off with the water hose, get them in the mud room, let them take a shower, call it a day. It makes many people sad that you call your precious sons, the icky boys, and refused them to eat their cupcakes, lifted one boy by the hair of his head and beat him in his crib, laid one son on the laundry room floor and turned the light off with a male, female camera person in there with him. No wonder Jon went ballistic.
I would tuck my son's in bed every night and kiss them on the head, or cheek. They loved it. I remember one of the RARE times I was so tired and sick and barely move and my oldest said, Mom, come tuck me in. I said, D, I can't, too tired, I love you. Then he said, Mom, he was in HS at the time, one day when I go to college and move on, you will regret not kissing me and tucking me in. He was already in bed. I said, ok. Here I come, it took a little while but I made it. I am so glad I did.
When the boys dad left and I came out of the hospital and recovering from my stroke and coma, the boys and I were sitting in the living room talking and one of them said, Mom, if you start dating, and he hits you? We have it planned to get in D's truck with baseball bats and hunt him down and beat him with an inch of his life! They said No. 2 son would drive his truck and No. 1 and No. 3 would ride in the truck bed! lol
I said, Now hold on, I am not going to date ever. But, I really appreciate you thinking of me like this, but I would really prefer you not do this because I don't own enough property in the city limits to bond you out. But, lol your grandpa does! lol We were all laughing. That is how much they love me and I love them.
So glad I don't have to regret those precious memories!
sorry but a lot of them are bots and their key phrase is RT to your fans.
Some of them may be bots but I've checked more than a dozen RT profiles since the question came up and all of the ones I checked are either TFW fans w/other tweets to her or they're just regular people tweeting about life, other celebs, babysitting, etc. Maybe I just haven't checked the bots profiles. idk
He didn't seem upset about the finding that neither was family oriented, he was upset about the incompatibility result. 167
Hopd the phone. Jon is obviously family oriented and LOVES his children. I have no reason to think otherwise of Liz.
If the "test" was wrong about that, why would you think it's "correct" about anything else?
I think Jon and Liz were honest about the eleven kids. Liz was very clear that they are both very family oriented and adore their kids but that of course eleven kids is a lot on their plates. It would overwhelm anyone. Kate herself complains about all the responsibility of the kids ALL THE TIME. I'd prefer that as opposed to happy happy joy joy everything is just fine. That's not realistic. And Liz made a HUGE face of disbelief when they said she wasn't family oriented, as in that's total B.S. what are you TALKING about? They got over that ridiculous statement because they knew it was nonsense. Like Whitney being honest that she is tempted (by ICECREAM) they were honest 11 kids is a lot.
I think the reason he reacted to being incompatible is because he knew there was a grain of truth to it, whereas the other stuff he was more confident about so didn't care so much if they wanted to say inaccurate things.
Bottom Line: People who have nothing in common can in fact have a healthy and happy relationship as long as they work through (or around) their issues, especially when they are polar opposites and I'm speaking from personal experience.
Mickey, wishing you and your BF another happy and healthy 5x10 years together!
It's a small world isn't it?
To Carole : sorry for my earlier referral to reading the Dance Moms suit, I see that you did (mis-timed responses here, I thnk).
I do believe strongly, though, that getting *out* of the production's contract is not without devastating consequences, and that's why the moms have stayed. According to the Complaint/Suit that KH filed, she has tried more than once to get out of it (apparently, it is not as simple as not "re-signing" each season, and I can see now how trapped these moms have become if their daughters say they want to continue so that they can dance with their friends).
No, I am not absolving the moms of their poor behavior, but I can see how e *unintended* behaviors accelerated and by the time it became clear they should get out, all the cards were in the producers and ALM's hands.
[no, I wouldn't have signed my child up for this either, but all of the moms knew a somewhat different ALM and, perhaps, felt that it wouldn't turn out the way this way]
Who here first cracked this story? Because it IS a story. Let me raise a double rumspringa to you!!! Come on, ladies, pick up your frosty mugs and allll togetherrrr now:
*Roll out the barrel, we'll have a barrel of fun
Roll out the barrel, we've got the LIAR on the run
Zing boom tararrel, ring out a song of good cheer
Now's the time to roll the barrel, for 15 MINUTES IS here!*
AuntieAnn said... 151
She refuses to educate herself before she jumps into all her scatterbrain projects. Then when they fall flat she blames everyone else.
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Aww, sweet Auntie. Here, have another mug. You forgot the most important thing:KATE ALREADY KNOWS EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW AND HER KNOWLEDGE IS PERFECT IN EVERY WAY. Perhaps you are too mediocre to comprehend that, really, in the magnificence that is Katie Irene. It's ok, I luv ya anyway. <3
Carole said... 184
Bottom Line: People who have nothing in common can in fact have a healthy and happy relationship as long as they work through (or around) their issues, especially when they are polar opposites and I'm speaking from personal experience.
Mickey, wishing you and your BF another happy and healthy 5x10 years together!
It's a small world isn't it?
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Carole, thank you for your kind thoughts and yes it is a small world.
What I did not mention is that the town my grandfather and uncle lived in had a population of 310, so for two of them to move out to CA and find my BF's family ranch in 1992 ... it still is unreal to me.
Another "sign" is that my realtor in Sacramento who is a cowboy, when he learned I was looking for property up north, was teasing me that I was only moving in the hopes of being closer to his best friend (who I knew from years ago but we never dated).
Now I have not seen hide nor hair of my realtor's best friend but it just so happens that my BF is my realtor's best friend cousin!!!
Njay, please don't twist or parse my words. I can't and won't give high-fives to Jon for the way he's behaving on CT thus far. But what I said about his potential for the future holds true: "I hope he can put aside whatever it was that happened in his near and distant past, and that he'll find a way to look instead (with clear eyes) to his future. … Fix your gaze, Jon, on your darling but very impressionable kids, who are watching (and learning from) every single move you make….We'll cheer you on, from the sidelines." I meant that. It comes from that imperfect place in myself, where truth resides and comes to light when we're courageous enough to venture there. I'm equally supportive of you…of anyone brave enough to do the same.
njay said... 168
You're a sweetheart, please don't cry, I get what you're saying and good for you, big hug,X
Watched PW this morning followed by Trisha Yearwood.
PW's episode was about Ladd's grandmother, Edna Mae. I noticed that she did not call him Marlboro Man once in the show, she called him Ladd. Respect for Edna Mae.
Made a Lemon Roast Chicken, Cauliflower Soup with Toasted Crackers and a stunning Blueberry Italian Cream Cake. PW said that EM taught her how to toast saltine crackers and that was a memory.
PW said that instead of buying gifts because she has everything she needs, the kids made beautiful heartfelt cards. The daughter put buttons on the cover and PW said, there are buttons on the card in case you lose a button! lol
She loved it. It was special. It was just PW, Edna Mae, 2 older women and the kids. That cake looked beautiful.
On TY's show, Trisha had her sister help her, but TY also invited for Sunday lunch the preacher and his wife that married TY and GB. Made a roast, spoon rolls, fresh green beans aka, Tom Cruise beans and Lizzie's Old Fashioned Cocoa Cake with Caramel icing.
The reason why TY calls the green beans Tom Cruise is because they were on a cruise and the kids thought the chef looked exactly like Tom Cruise. The when they were winding up eating, the preacher asked TY if she would sing a song and she said, yes, I will.
She sang Amazing Grace, a cappella. Beautiful.
Here we go again with the conjecture, guesses, theories and hunches about what Jon shoulda, woulda, coulda done about everything. We saw maybe 10 minutes, TOPS, of he and Liz on CT on Thursday. We don't know what happened before or after taping or what landed on the editing floor. I'm giving the guy a chance. He's been the only one to show his kids any kind of affection, any kind of real world experiences and a sense of family. He's been trying very hard to correct the mistakes Kate has been making on a daily basis.
Do I agree with everything I've seen where Jon is concerned? No. I wish he'd clean up his mouth a bit. But I'm also not going to try and guess what is really going on. TLC and Kate tried to destroy and bury him. You don't come out of something like that with the same outlook on the world. Or the same trust.
I have no theories about why or what is going on. It's not my place. I'm not going to guess or make assumptions because I. Don't. Know. Neither does anyone else.
Sorry if I'm sounding snippy. I don't mean to but I don't have an edit button and nothing I've said will magically be erased, soon to be found on my living room floor.
Cheers to everyone :)
, opening the door for anyone to take you words and jump on the bandwagon of criticism))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
njay, EVERYONE is allowed to state their own opinion. And some of us clearly think Jon's not what he made us think he was. This is not a personal attack on you, ok?
I watched the episode finally for the recap and I didn't take Jon's hissy fit as coming across as dramatic as described here. He got mad, yes, but he didn't yell, scream, throw things or others behave inappropriately. He sat there calmly on the couch outside and discussed some of his frustrations, including his past experience with reality T.V. which are still very real to him. A short time later Dr. Jenn came out and talked to him and almost immediately Jon calmed down and agreed he was overreacting.
He never called his manager or walked off the show, he simply calmly said he would LIKE to call his manager. He never picked up the phone. Saying you want to do something but never actually going through with it is very different than actually doing it.
He also apologized to Dr. Jenn and thanked her in what looked like almost immediately. It was all in the same conversation on the couch anyway. Much ado about nothing.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 194
''I watched the episode finally for the recap and I didn't take Jon's hissy fit as coming across as dramatic as described here.''
''...He also apologized to Dr. Jenn and thanked her in what looked like almost immediately. It was all in the same conversation on the couch anyway. Much ado about nothing.''
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Thank you. It is tiresome to read over and over and over comments that are determined to put Jon in the worst possible light, seeing things that just flat aren't there.
There are peas to the side, so I thought maybe heart- shaped fries, but what is that...mass?
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Peas with pizza? Maybe so. She did put green beans in her chicken cacciatore mess, so why not peas and pizza?
I'm watching Dark Obsessions and the episode is about an opera singer who is the victim of cyber stalker fan. I keep thinking about the sheeple, and one fan in particular/
Mama Knows said... 171
I guess Merriam-Webster better get to work correcting the dictionary, because they define "mama" as "mother."
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Emily usually spells it "mamma." This is the first time I've seen iher spell it Mama. According to the MW dictionary, the first definition of "mamma" is "a mammary gland and its accessory parts" LOL!
Another one whose user name was created to fit the subject matter. Didn't admin ask that posters please not do that?
To add to that, Dr. Jenn told him there was no need to apologize. You don't say that if the behavior was serious.
Given how firm and harsh she is with Wu-Tang, I think if Dr. Jenn felt his behavior had risen to the level where he needed to apologize she would have said so. I don't agree with all of her methods but overall I think she's been right about Jon and Liz.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 194
Much ado about nothing
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Thank you Admin. You are awesome.
Today I looked up CT on the Internet and noted that the past two seasons there were 10 episodes each.
This season so far we have seen 7 episodes and if history is any indictaion, there are probably 3 episodes left to be televised.
I am assuming that Taylor and her fiancé's issues are going to be addressed soon in an episode, especially now that Ghostface and his GF -- OK, both GFs -- are pretty much a done deal.
Yes I'm watching CT because of Jon and Liz but the fact is I'm really just spinning my wheels because last year I watched MARRIAGE BOOT CAMP: BRIDEZILLAS on WE and season 2 is starting on March 7th.
I watched maybe 10 BRIDEZILLA episodes over the years and each time I could not believe that their grooms showed up to marry them. So now there is a show where counselors are trying to help Brideizllas save their marriages, and not just by group and individual counseling but they also have the couples go through interesting exercises.
My hope is that because these couples are young that other young couples are watching and learning. It is just so easy to give up and get a divorce these days, even if there are children involved.
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