Coming up, Latrice and Kelsey bond over what a pig their mutual boyfriend is. Sada and Duck Lips tell it like it is to Jon. God, I hate that I agree with Duck Lips. I thought the world would turn round the other way on its axis before that would ever happen but here we are.
As I remarked last time, I had just noticed that Kelsey's earrings are giant safety pins. Now that I see them up close, I see they even have diamonds on them. It's a little hard to take her seriously when those safety pins are swinging back and forth.
Kelsey storms out of therapy and you know who immediately gets up and goes to comfort her? Duck Lips of all people. She even leaves the side of her fiancé, you know the one who's always too hot, to go tend to the poor girl.
You know for many former stars, trying to do a comeback on reality T.V. just hurts them. In particular, I had had all good ideas about Dionne Warwick, I would even sometimes hum "That's What Friends are For" in the shower, that is until she went on Celebrity Apprentice. She was just mean. A real bully. And lazy. All in all I would not want to be her friend. And then there are people who go on reality T.V. and they end up being super cool, likable, and hard-working, and their stint on reality T.V. only serves to boost their image. I'm thinking Kelly Osbourne or Nancy Grace on Dancing With the Stars, both of whom were really hard to hate when they went on that show. Well, Duck Lips is doing some pretty darn fine rehabilitation the past several episodes. Before, I thought she was a fool and a duck. Now I think she's still a fool and a duck, but a nice fool and a friendly duck.
Dr. Jenn goes to her too and basically implies that Kelsey needs to leave Wu-Tang, it's over at this point. This is why Kelsey has a beautiful heart. She says she feels bad for Latrice sort of being in the same position she is in. Who, when they are faced with such a terrible situation, is concerned with how the other woman feels about it? Kelsey, that's who.
Latrice and Wu-Tang are still back in the therapy room. The look on Latrice's face suggests she's a pretty sharp tool in the shed. She says given Kelsey's emotional reaction, you, Wu-Tang, must have said some pretty deep stuff to her.
"I tell her what I tell her," Wu-Tang says. "She got caught up." Pig. Tool. Pig with tools.
Dr. Jenn comes back. She's so pissed. When she's this pissed, she tends to suck her collagen lips in all the way and purses them. It's quite interesting to watch, it looks like she has a giant wad of cotton in her mouth. She tells Wu-Tang that Kelsey is very hurt, and that Kelsey and Latrice need to talk alone.
Kelsey says she wants Latrice to understand that Wu-Tang lead her to believe that he was very serious about her, and that this is some real bullshit. Latrice agrees. Ha. Women will claw each other's eyes out one moment but the second they realize that they both got played by the same man, they're thicker than thieves. The ex-girlfriends club is always fun.
Kelsey, you are someone to admire. She actually wants to apologize to Latrice because she's sure Latrice is hurt. Even though none of this was Kelsey's fault. Wu-Tang should be apologizing, but I'm guessing Kelsey knows he probably won't or if he does it won't be sincere. And this is why that old adage don't judge someone by how they look often rings so true. Kelsey has some kind of bleached out mohawk, a tattoo behind her ear, some other purple spear-like thing stuck through her ear, and giant safety pin earrings. I'm sure our grandmothers would cringe and lead us in the other direction if we encountered her on the street, praying for her as we go. Yet she has one of the kindest, most empathetic souls I've ever seen. You think you're praying for her when really she was praying for you and wishing you health, happiness and prosperity long before you ever thought to do the same for her.
It's important to Kelsey to point out that if she had any inclination Latrice was around she would not have been with him, period. Latrice is upset in her own right. Kelsey tells her that just like she's been learning, crumbs of his love are not enough, you deserve better. Latrice is not sure she can get past this and trust him.
"You ain't gotta worry about me and him no more, that's for damn sure," Kelsey says. Oh thank God for that.
Wu-Tang is outside, head in hands. The future is grim for his relationship with Kelsey. Look, she just fell for me too quick and before he knew it he had some kind of emotionally invested in-love woman on his hands, he explains. What the hell? Why does he keep acting like this was some kind of whirlwind romance Danny Bonaduce style? It wasn't at all. They've been dating a year! And it's not like Kelsey is talking his ear off about marriage or having kids. Geez, a year of dating is a lifetime in Hollywood. In a year the rest of folks like him have already been engaged, broken off the engagement, and now gotten back together and are pregnant due this summer.
Commercials, we're back and Duck Lips is checking in on Kelsey again. Aw, she's very sad for her. Duck Lips is in general an emotional basket case, but I wouldn't say this is behavior typical of a narcissist. It's actually quite selfless. Kelsey reiterates that she's not going to sit around waiting for Wu-Tang to choose, she's done.
Kelsey takes the very wise step of sleeping on the couch that night.
The next day, Wu-Tang sits down with Sarah, one of the resident counselors Dr. Jenn always passes off the work she doesn't want to do, like when Duck Lips and her fiancé were hot.
He says he's never had issues with women like this before. Yeah because you kept it all a big secret from everyone so no one knew they should be upset! Wu-Tang says this blew up in his face like a cigar. Like a cigar? Cigars explode? What kind of cigars is he smoking?
In the evening Dr. Jenn sits down with the group for a "fun activity." Oh, potato sack racing? Hula hooping? She says Teen Duck Lips was oh so very "brave" to do therapy by herself. Oh good grief, this kind of coddling and endless pats on the back is not what Teen Duck Lips needs. I like Duck Lips's no-nonsense approach, basically telling Teen Duck Lips she's f--ed up and that's all there is to it. Ha.
Sarah Gooding and Dr. Steve Oldridge of the online dating site Plenty of Fish are there.
Now, before you are fooled into thinking this is some kind of legitimate endeavor, let's talk about Plenty of Fish. Plenty of Fish was started by a recent college grad and computer nerd named Markus Frind from Canada. He was bored with his day job and thought he could make a boatload of money off an online dating site by making it free but just supporting it with Google's Adsense ads (the same ads we use here on realitytvkids.com). His plan worked. He made millions. He is one of Adsense's greatest "success stories." He boasts that he only really has to work an hour a day on the site. But because it's free, you get what you pay for, and the site has an absolutely terrible reputation for attracting cheaters (a cheater can't have his wife finding Eharmony.com on the family credit card), losers and freaks, and even being so dangerous law enforcement has issued warnings about it. Anyone who finds their future husband or wife on there usually makes up a story about how they met at the gym or reaching for the same jar of pickles at Safeway.
This so-called doctor, Steve Oldridge, is not a doctor in psychology, or sociology, or anthropology, you know something that might remotely qualify him to dissect a stranger's relationship. His doctorate is in electrical and computer engineering, which is probably why Plenty of Fish hired him, because they needed an egghead and statistician to run a web site and make them more money, not Dr. Drew to hold someone's hand. Sarah Gooding just does public relations for the site, so she's no expert. This is just a cross promotion endeavor that has some serious ethical implications that I doubt anyone considered.
Point being, Plenty of Fish is not qualified to analyze a relationship, are not qualified to offer therapeutic type services or understand the ethical obligations of such things, and in my opinion should not present themselves as so qualified. They are qualified to make money off people's need for companionship or sex, nothing more. At least Dr. Jenn said this is just supposed to be a fun game, but in what follows obviously Jon did not take it that way. I wish he knew more about Plenty of Fish before going in.
They pass out tablets for everyone to fill out Plenty of Fish's compatibility survey. Jon already is annoyed by this "game," saying he doesn't need to fill out a dating profile when he already is with his girlfriend. Fair point. The lesbians and Duck Lips just see it as something fun as women tend to see surveys like this. Most of us grew up with Seventeen and know that relationship surveys are just a part of a healthy lifestyle! I think it's mean to make Kelsey and Wu-Tang fill this out when she already said their relationship is over.
Obviously Teen Duck Lips can't fill out a compatibility quiz with a nonexistent boyfriend, LOLOL, so Dr. Jenn has the brilliant idea to make her set up an online profile and go on a date so Dr. Jenn can analyze the date. Oh that's great, I love it and cannot wait. Can they bring her parents in too? The music they are playing is by Switchfoot, which is absolutely one of the greatest most under appreciated bands of the past ten years. They sound like Third Eye Blind only more talented. If you've missed them they have nine albums out, so you can binge listen.
Commercials, and I flip to the Olympics. I'm worried about Bob Costas. If Russia's medical care is anything like their hotel rooms I'd be nervous. Now his infection has spread to both eyes, and it's so bad he's been off the past several nights and that stupid Meredith Vieira "reporter" is filling in. Remember her infamous interview with Kate Gosselin years ago, where Kate cried tearless tears as she explained she had a purse full of bills, Jon took all her money, and that she couldn't even sleep at night?, poor thing. Meredith couldn't ask a follow up question if her life depended on it, like if Jon took all your money why are you in the McMansion and kids in an elite private school, and you fluttering off to NYC for hair extensions every three weeks leaving the kids with a nanny? Is that the behavior of someone whose husband stole all their money and can't even sleep at night? And shouldn't this be a dispute that should be settled by a judge in private, not the court of public opinion?
Day 14, and the Plenty of Fish hacks analyze the compatibility quizzes. Duck Lips and her fiancé are compatible. I think if you are both hot or cold at the same time, that's a good sign you can have a long and happy marriage. There's really nothing worse than fighting over the thermostat every evening.
Kelsey and Wu-Tang are incompatible. Ha, thanks for the reminder, says Kelsey.
The Plenty of Fish hack Gooding says that Teen Duck Lips shouldn't say she wants to get married on her profile because that comes on too strong. I think that's rubbish and that they don't know what they're talking about. I don't buy this crap about that scaring guys off. If a man is scared off because you simply say that you'd like to get married someday, then you don't need him in the first place. A good man will appreciate your honesty and prefer knowing where you'd like to go in the relationship before you're head over heels in love but he was never interested in settling down. Besides, I think Teen Duck Lips has a moral obligation to disclose that she is looking to put a ring on it because any man who does will also be signing up for this woman as their mother-in-law.
The lesbians are compatible, obviously. They're great together. The only reason Whitney rated high in avoiding temptations is because she thought the question meant are you good at saying no to a nice big delicious bowl of melting ice cream. Ha.
Note: This is a stock photo of ice cream. I did not make it or photograph it!
The egghead is very cute for an egghead.
On to Jon and Liz. Egghead says being divorced and having kids can make it less likely to form a successful relationship. What's he basing that on? As the folks here would say, "link please!" Statistics/links actually show the majority of people who get divorced end up getting married successfully again, some pegging it as high as 80%. Of those who do remarry most report high levels of satisfaction in the new marriage as opposed to those who don't remarry. Regardless who he is talking about, so much out of these POF people's mouths seems just flat out made up out of nowhere and it's really getting annoying. You can't just say whatever about something as personal as someone's relationship without knowing what you're talking about, at least I don't think it's right that you should.
Liz and Jon rated low in "family orientation" whatever that means, and that suggests they may feels constrained by their kids. Liz makes a big face and says that's nonsense, what the f-ity f, dude! While they have eleven kids between them and of course that's hard at times, family is huge to them, they're both family oriented, she explains. I wonder if the "family orientation" questions were like the question Whitney thought was about ice cream, like if you were a tree what tree would you be? And if you say willow that means you aren't "family oriented" because it blows around in the breeze a lot.
The have drinking and smoking in common, which actually is a good thing because it's hard for those who choose to abstain to be with someone who does not. This annoys Liz that this is the only positive thing they said about them. Ultimately the POF people say they're incompatible.
Gooding and Egghead admit that the test can't measure chemistry and that some couples like them on their site do just fine, but it's more rare. Jon says he doesn't need a computer to tell him how he feels about Liz. Heck, if he can hack as good as Kate thinks, he should be working for Plenty of Fish, fire Egghead there and put Jon in his spot.
Jon and Liz talk about the test afterward. Liz seems upset too but tries to remind Jon it was just a game. I think Jon hits the nail on the head when he says this reminds him of being on T.V. before, where he would sort of be "set up." I think that is a very fair statement, as I firmly believe that TLC manipulated the situation to an incredible degree, especially financially, to paint Kate as the long-suffering wife and he the bad guy, and ensure that the person who had no problem with filming the crap out of the little money makers just coincidentally happened to get awarded custody, wouldn't ya know it! There is no question about this to me. After finally seeing this scene myself, I think the crux of why Jon is upset is because it's bringing up demons in his past he has never dealt with in a healthy manner. I doubt TLC ever apologized to him for what they did, and I doubt he's really confronted them about it so he could sort of get some closure with it. The POF folks touched a nerve, and his gut reaction is to just call his manager, leave the show and be done with it (although to be fair, he never does call his manager or leave the show, he simply said that's what he felt like doing. There's a difference). I don't, however, think this POF test was a set up. Designed to cause conflict, yes. Deliberately manipulating test results, no. It was a dumb test given by people who are not qualified to give it and Jon and Liz happened to flunk and that's it.
Dr. Jenn comes out to talk to Jon. He says Dr. Jenn was endorsing something bogus. Dr. Jenn said it wasn't a set up, it was just supposed to be fun, scout's honor. She would go "ballistic" if such a thing ever happened, goodness me. She would never allow anything "fake" on her show!
Why do I get a feeling this is also her version of a "rebuttal" to Teen Duck Lip's friend? How sneaky of her. Teen Duck Lips's friend said the whole show was prepared to bring him on and "pretend" he was Teen Duck Lips's boyfriend when he was not, and he even has the emails from them to prove it. This is pretty much what a fake set up is, so I think the lady doth protest too much.
Liz is so upset she's in tears. Duck Lips and the lesbians all admit regardless of the silly test, forget the test, their own personal observations are that Jon and Liz aren't right for each other. This is not unlike what many viewers here have said, and obviously we're not trying to set anyone up, so I don't think anyone is saying this just to screw with them. I think for most people this sort of thing is being said out of concern for Jon and wanting what's best for a guy we've come to sort of "know" through the years via our T.V. sets and wanting what's best for the parents of children we've also come to care about.
Dr. Jenn actually does a pretty good job talking Jon back down. She says hey let's focus on the many areas you are compatible, and we'll give time to the areas you're not compatible, and you both have come so far already. That seems to reassure Jon and he calms down almost immediately. He admits he overreacted, and he says he does feel he's in a safe environment and is comfortable talking to Dr. Jenn. He apologizes to Dr. Jenn and thanks her, and Dr. Jenn is gracious enough to tell him no apology is necessary. That was nice. I give her credit for being patient but persistent with him.
Commercials, and I never thought a Dominos commercial would make me cry. It's about how you might think your pizza maker is just a punk kid but a lot of them are doing really great things when they're not making pizzas, like working on beautiful artwork. It's a commercial about not looking down on someone based on just what you see or where they work, which society seems to need constant reminders about.
We're back, and I guess now this is couples therapy for Wu-Tang and Latrice? Heh. Dr. Jenn meets with the couple.
Kelsey says she can't be mad at Latrice because Latrice is in the same shoes that Kelsey is in. This woman has more insight that most women twice her age. This made me curious who she is and how she could possibly be so introspective at such a young age. There isn't much about her since she's a relative unknown talent, but I did find this interview with her where she talks about her childhood growing up in Indiana:
"I grew up a middle child of 10 kids we moved around a lot, I was a girl that came from a small city with a huge imagination. Growing up at first was a little challenging. I was bullied pretty badly in 5th grade which changed me a lot. So by the time I got to middle school and high school. I was already making a name for myself. I was a cheerleader and a pretty good student with a 3.0 GPA. I was very popular. However I still had my troubles and challenges here and there like being pregnant in high school but I didnt let that stop me it only made me go harder."
So we know she came from a big family with lots of kids in small town America, which explains her genuine personality, ability to work so well with others and her empathy for Jon and Liz's big family. We also know she was fairly smart, maintaining good grades while doing sports, too. She also from a young age turned challenges into opportunities, like not giving up her dreams just because she got pregnant. Hands down, she is the most interesting and admirable cast member of the whole lot of them.
Wu-Tang says he's sorry and he still loves her. Latrice says sorry, sucker, but it's over. I'm not your wallpaper to pick for the guest room. Oh, I love this. He deserves every bit of it. In the course of his quest to choose which ice cream flavor was best for him, he was too arrogant to think that maybe one or both of the girls might decide they don't want to be in his cone in the first place. Ha, Daddy wants a hug from his baby but she won't do it, so Dr. Jenn does the honors. Good luck to you, Latrice, you too seem like you deserve better.
Wu-Tang tells Kelsey what happened and she seems as sorry as one possibly could be about that given the situation. She says she's going to stay on the show for the therapy and to try to be a better person. Kelsey, you're a fine person, and I really don't think there is all that much to work on here, except for a few denial issues which anyone would have in your shoes. I think you were duped by a very good con-artist. It could happen to anyone. I have every reason to believe you will move on from this and find a great man who treats you like you should, and probably soon.
The lesbians ask Teen Duck Lips what is going on with her POF date. Haha, I was wondering that just as much, lesbians! Pop the popcorn, I want to see Dr. Jenn psycho analyze Teen Duck Lips's dates. Teen Duck Lips said she got a few messages saying she was cute but that they didn't want to go on a T.V. show.
Noooo, somebody turned down an opportunity to be on reality T.V.? Can't be. Even guys in Los Angeles don't want to be on T.V.? I thought everyone would do it too.
"Well, I'm just like whatever, if you're not going to be okay with T.V. than f--it you're not ever going to be in my life," Teen Duck Lips says defiantly as she goes off to probably eat another chopped salad. Ha, like she thinks she's going to be on T.V. forever. Too funny.
The lesbians, Duck Lips and her fiancé and Jon are hanging out in the back. You can tell Whitney is trying to be very respectful when she brings up Jon being upset about POF. Duck Lips says that she does not like the way Liz called him a pussy. She says it's very "unfair" to him. Sada says Liz is dominating and belittling. Duck Lips' fiancé says he needs to demand respect from her. I know Jon feels attacked here, but I get the strong sense that every single person who is confronting him about this is doing it because they genuinely care about the guy and don't like what they see.
Jon goes off to tell Liz they're talking about her. Liz comes out to talk to the group. Duck Lips admits they were talking about the relationship, and says look he just needs you to love him. "This demeaning thing you do to him, you [Jon] don't deserve that," Duck Lips says.
When did Duck Lips emerge as such an authority on functional relationships? Color me surprised to be in agreement with her.
Liz's defensive idea on this is that they don't know her well enough and haven't observed them enough. She says these people are horrendous and terrible. Not really. The ones horrendous and terrible aren't even sitting here right now. I like most of the ones here. I'm all for believing that many reality shows encourage conflict, fighting, and drama, but I think these people are actually just trying to help. Just because Liz doesn't want to hear what their observations are doesn't make the observations themselves wrong.
Next time on Couples Therapy, some other stuff happens I don't care about and oh my God oh my God oh my God Debra is here Debra is here Debra is here!!! And she's standing up for herself and saying I never did the things Teen Duck Lips says I did, Dr. Jenn!!! Woo-hoo!!!
Noooo, somebody turned down an opportunity to be on reality T.V.? Can't be. Even guys in Los Angeles don't want to be on T.V.? I thought everyone would do it too.
"Well, I'm just like whatever, if you're not going to be okay with T.V. than f--it you're not ever going to be in my life," Teen Duck Lips says defiantly as she goes off to probably eat another chopped salad. Ha, like she thinks she's going to be on T.V. forever. Too funny.
The lesbians, Duck Lips and her fiancé and Jon are hanging out in the back. You can tell Whitney is trying to be very respectful when she brings up Jon being upset about POF. Duck Lips says that she does not like the way Liz called him a pussy. She says it's very "unfair" to him. Sada says Liz is dominating and belittling. Duck Lips' fiancé says he needs to demand respect from her. I know Jon feels attacked here, but I get the strong sense that every single person who is confronting him about this is doing it because they genuinely care about the guy and don't like what they see.
Jon goes off to tell Liz they're talking about her. Liz comes out to talk to the group. Duck Lips admits they were talking about the relationship, and says look he just needs you to love him. "This demeaning thing you do to him, you [Jon] don't deserve that," Duck Lips says.
When did Duck Lips emerge as such an authority on functional relationships? Color me surprised to be in agreement with her.
Liz's defensive idea on this is that they don't know her well enough and haven't observed them enough. She says these people are horrendous and terrible. Not really. The ones horrendous and terrible aren't even sitting here right now. I like most of the ones here. I'm all for believing that many reality shows encourage conflict, fighting, and drama, but I think these people are actually just trying to help. Just because Liz doesn't want to hear what their observations are doesn't make the observations themselves wrong.
Next time on Couples Therapy, some other stuff happens I don't care about and oh my God oh my God oh my God Debra is here Debra is here Debra is here!!! And she's standing up for herself and saying I never did the things Teen Duck Lips says I did, Dr. Jenn!!! Woo-hoo!!!
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Does that include rumspringas? Kate and her stupid tweets are driving me to drink.
And surely, others go home and play with their dolls.
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Welcome! It's interesting you say you think the kids surely must go home and play with dolls--yet something seems to be holding them back from doing so at school, where they do more mature play like music videos and making jewelry. How do you know what they do at home if they don't do so in school? I'm not being contentious I'm just curious why you think they do something when they don't do it at school. If they're hiding it, maybe it's because they know they'd be ridiculed? That means they KNOW they are doing something "babyish." I think if any mother tweeted such a picture most 10 year olds would be mortified and lambasted at school. That said, they go to school with significantly younger children in their class and so may be more influenced by what the younger kids are into whereas if they were actually in a class with children their own ages, where they might be torn apart for such a thing.
I also think there is huge a difference between dressing an American girl for display, putting on a play with dolls/Barbies, and other more "serious" doll play at older ages, and diapering your baby doll like a five year old.
Cup of Soup sounds great.
Just think in all this time the sheeple wasted trying to imagine a class action agains the haters, they could have been looking for REAL class actions they could actually be a part of and signed on. I've gotten money from Kodak, am about to get some from Barbri, Apple iTunes, got some from Playstation, the Los Angeles Times, and now good ole Bank of America. I know there's been others I can't think of now. The Kodak one was a hundred bucks, which was several tanks of gas!
I think a 10 year old's preoccupation with their mother is creepy indeed. What the heck. Their lives should not revolve around their mother.
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Speaking of which...I just spent a few days sitting beside my son's bed in the hospital during an unrelenting ketoacidosis episode. I have a question for nurses out there: Are hospitals profiling patients now? They wanted to know if he had a tattoo. I understand the need for that query, but not this one: What is it of? WTF? What difference does it make what it's of? I was gobsmacked. The doctor wrote it down on his chart for crying out loud. I'm getting a little paranoid about the medical world when they start wanting to know what a tattoo is about.
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auntie ann- it depends on the protocol of the facility, but mainly it's to see if he is at risk for anything else (for example: hep c or an infection if the tattoo is more recent). Also, if your son is a diabetic, is at higher risk for skin infections, so they may want to assess any areas where a tattoo may have compromised his skin. Another (more grim) reason is that tattoo's may serve as body identifiers for surgery and in emergencies.
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@Kateplusmy8 Too cute! Those dolls look like a baby....even the fat creases on their leg!
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Sheeple -- you gotta love 'em. What are they supposed to look like? Monster High Werecat sisters? Baby dolls look like, well, baby dolls.
NJGal51 - he is, thanks. He's up and around today and removed from his girlfriend, Ivy Poll. It amazes me how he comes out of those episodes. They are terrifying.
That twitter of Kate's is also terrifying. Who but a tyrannical narcissistic mother would make her sons rub their back? Ewwww. I'm sure she thinks they're thrilled and shrieking with joy to do it, too.
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Thank you T. That makes sense. I couldn't think of why they'd need that information.
Welcome! It's interesting you say you think the kids surely must go home and play with dolls--yet something seems to be holding them back from doing so at school, where they do more mature play like music videos and making jewelry. How do you know what they do at home if they don't do so in school? I'm not being contentious I'm just curious why you think they do something when they don't do it at school. If they're hiding it, maybe it's because they know they'd be ridiculed? That means they KNOW they are doing something "babyish." I think if any mother tweeted such a picture most 10 year olds would be mortified and lambasted at school. That said, they go to school with significantly younger children in their class and so may be more influenced by what the younger kids are into whereas if they were actually in a class with children their own ages, where they might be torn apart for such a thing.
I also think there is huge a difference between dressing an American girl for display, putting on a play with dolls/Barbies, and other more "serious" doll play at older ages, and diapering your baby doll like a five year old.
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Thanks! Ha! I only truly know because of those parent-teacher conferences that go beyond the academics chat. Moms and grandmas love to dish about what the kids do at home.
But yes, you are 100% right. Kids know this would be seen as babyish by that age, and those with any sense of that, keep that aspect of their private life at home to themselves. I only wanted to point out that it's not abnormal, per se, for a child of their ages to play with dolls.
I've taught 5th grade for 4 years now, and it still strikes me as a very interesting age. It's a time at which kids develop (emotionally) at such extremely different paces. Some are 30 year olds trapped in a child's body, and some need to constantly be reminded that they aren't in kindergarten anymore. I think it's part of what makes prepubescence such a trying time for many. Sometimes, even more so than the teen years!
All the more I reason I feel for these kids, whose private lives are still anything but private. Like I said, playing with dolls at that age is perfectly normal. But I doubt ANY kid that age would be pleased to know mom just posted a picture of their doll play for the world to see.
But yes, you are 100% right. Kids know this would be seen as babyish by that age, and those with any sense of that, keep that aspect of their private life at home to themselves. I only wanted to point out that it's not abnormal, per se, for a child of their ages to play with dolls.
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Yes I see what you're saying and I think if their mother were normal and encouraged appropriate interests it would be another matter and probably would be "normal". Kate has proven herself to have a very long history of babying the children and holding these children back from growing up--from the sippy cups to the high chairs long into the school years, to even what they watch on TV, like the Roma Downey videos recommended for PRESCHOOLERS. Or the babyish things they say that she encourages and praises. It is not cute when a 10 year old constantly says something babyish, yet she thinks it's just adorable. I think if this were the only example you would have a point. I could list a dozen things she has done that keep her children in a perpetual bubble of five years old.
I think the point some of us are driving at here is I believe she goes out of her way to encourage babyish behavior and tries to paint them as young and cute as possible because I believe she understands the simple concept that the younger they were the more money they made for her. To their detriment. Hence making an effort to post photos playing with dollies when they are minutes away from TEN. Like I said, if a kid had a normal parent and the only babyish thing they did was keep their dolly around into the pre-teen years, that wouldn't be nearly as concerning as the laundry list of babying things Kate does and says they do.
So your kid decides to get one--it's not the end of the world, they could be doing a lot worse things, and most of them are covered by clothes most of the time anyway.
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I told my kids they couldn't get a tattoo until they were of age, then they could get a bone put through their nose and there would be nothing I could do about it, as long as they were paying for it themselves. Thank God they opted for tattoos and not the bones.
Personally I wouldn't get one. One time I saw an old lady at the fresh/organic produce market who had tattoos all over herself. They were hideously wrinkled. And I mean hideous.
Auntie Ann--they probably want to know if he should be screened for hepatitis or other pathogen that may otherwise be missed.
My DIL went in to be induced --she is overdue and there is concern for her fluid levels. So, just having to wait to hear, and trying to keep my anxiety down. Would appreciate any thoughts and prayers. Not necessary to respond--I am trying to decide whether I should head over to the hospital.
Question for you tweeter experts. I don't have Twitter, but I can figure out some of the things (timelines, retweets, etc.!) I don't, however, know what "mentions" are. What is the difference between a timeline and a mentions? Just the brief Mentions 101 would suffice. Thanks!
A least they're not diapering dolls!
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Or stuffed animals!
Kate's back to talking up the tups...I guess the great Cara and Mady media tour has come to a quick and blessed end?
Tucker's Mom said... 199
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 3m
Hanging out by the fireplace ..Joel is entertaining me & making me laugh while Collin & Aaden rub my back #lovemyboys pic.twitter.com/jYyieLqiZs
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OK, that's officially creepy.
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Something is so wrong with this woman!!!!
I wouldn't be surprised if someone had a talking to her about Mady and Cara that made her back off. Like a school counselor, teacher, or a friend or even her lawyer. Whatever the reason she's abandoned this whole Mady and Cara year of the teenager schtick as quickly as it began.
Either that or it's her usual M.O. Ohhh shiny! For a hot minute and then she gets bored.
Mady and Cara used to give her massages. Did they wise up?
PA Dutch Mom said... 11
Question for you tweeter experts. I don't have Twitter, but I can figure out some of the things (timelines, retweets, etc.!) I don't, however, know what "mentions" are. What is the difference between a timeline and a mentions? Just the brief Mentions 101 would suffice. Thanks!
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I don't have twitter either, but this is from the twitter help page:
What is a mention?
◦A mention is any Twitter update that contains "@username" anywhere in the body of the Tweet. (Yes, this means that @replies are also considered mentions.)
◦We collect these messages, as well as all your @replies, in the Mentions tab on the Connect page.
◦If you include more than one person's name in your Tweet and you use the @username format, all of those people will see the Tweet in their Mentions tab.
@Kateplusmy8: Hanging out by the fireplace ..Joel is entertaining me & making me laugh while Collin & Aaden rub my back #lovemyboys pic.twitter.com/jYyieLqiZs
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What next? Will they trim her toenails? Shades of Howard Wolowitz!
I wonder if Kate ever rubbed their backs when they were younger, such as when they were sad, feeling unwell, or just to help them fall asleep. (I think we all know the answer to that - a resounding no!)
GKD,
Coincidence, just today I talked with someone who grew potatoes in a laundry basket last year.
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This sentence begged me to Google for more information. This is just one link: http://www.vegetablegardener.com/item/5215/growing-potatoes-in-a-laundry-basket
This looks like fun and I'm going to give it a try. Have I said lately how much I enjoy this blog?
She's talking up the tups because her EX said he was going for custody of them.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 14
I wouldn't be surprised if someone had a talking to her about Mady and Cara that made her back off. Like a school counselor, teacher, or a friend or even her lawyer.
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I think she shutup about M&C because they failed to diss their dad on the tv interviews as per her plan. They're probably still locked in solitary for that one. How dare they not follow the script. They're going to pay for that one for a long time.
Not necessary to respond--I am trying to decide whether I should head over to the hospital.
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Depends if they broke her water and are giving her Pitocin. Sometimes you can go very fast with that. Have they stripped the membranes or used the cervical gel? Sometimes the latter must be in there for at least twelve hours before it works. Many docs will give the gel a chance before they go on to the Pitocin.
How close is the hospital? ;-)
25 copies of TFW's cookbook.
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Can we have them signed if we pay the postage? Or should we give them to those who entered the not-a-contest? It's fairly clear at this point that nobody is going to win that darn thing. It's been two months.
Creepy hardly begins to describe the image of this witch stretched out by the fireplace being massaged by her almost 10 year old boys. Notice once again it's one for all and all for one. But of course this is also just a set up for her twittering of the experience. It's really a creeper. Me, me, me.
OMG....
@Kateplusmy8: Hanging out by the fireplace ..Joel is entertaining me & making me laugh while Collin & Aaden rub my back #lovemyboys pic.twitter.com/jYyieLqiZs
WHY does it ALWAYS have to be about her. She just does not get it. Milo should jump in and help with the manual labor.
It's NOT about you Kate.
GKD,
I'm getting so antsy for good weather and warmer temps and to finally put some of your great suggestions to work. TY for the wire cage details!
I don't know any mother who expects so many massages from her kids. She used to boast about the twins rubbing her back and now it's the boys. She is disgusting. Mothers are supposed to take care of their kids not the other way around. I wonder why Joel is entertaining her. Is he too "icky" to touch her? Did he refuse?
Kids don't think about giving parents a massage. She has to be making them do it. Ewww.
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Auntie Ann--they probably want to know if he should be screened for hepatitis or other pathogen that may otherwise be missed.
My DIL went in to be induced --she is overdue and there is concern for her fluid levels. So, just having to wait to hear, and trying to keep my anxiety down. Would appreciate any thoughts and prayers. Not necessary to respond--I am trying to decide whether I should head over to the hospital.
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Sometimes a lot of knowledge is not a good thing!
I'm sure DIL and baby will be fine, so hang in there and share your good news soon.
Blessings!
I told my kids they couldn't get a tattoo until they were of age, then they could get a bone put through their nose and there would be nothing I could do about it, as long as they were paying for it themselves. Thank God they opted for tattoos and not the bones.
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I remember my brother getting a tattoo on his leg/calf in H.S.
He wore tube socks everyday, IN JULY, and eventually, my mom was like, "uh, what's up with that?"!
I mean, the calf isn't exactly a stealthy place for a tattoo!
Well people, my siblings and I used to have to massage my mother's back! We also had to put her shoes on because she couldn't bend down (big eye roll) or her feet were ALWAYS swollen and sore. You just did it, it was never questioned. But God forbid any one of us got sick?? "How did you get sick?! Who were you hanging around with?! You're always taking off your hat/mitts!! etc. etc."
NOW looking back I see how truly effed up that was. I have never, nor will I ever ever rely on my kids to pamper me, baby me, or feel any burden for me. I rarely get sick, but the times that I do, I NEVER have the kids "take care" of me. It just feels soooo wrong to me.
WHY does it ALWAYS have to be about her. She just does not get it. Milo should jump in and help with the manual labor.
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lol! MIlo has other things in mind to do with Kate. Manual labor is the last thing she's thinking about.
I'm going to tell you what MY almost 10 yearolds (although the tups aren't yet ten - they will be in May I think) used to do at that age - as it was only a few years ago.
1st off...they made videos. They would get together with friends and sometimes their cousins and come up with crazy ideas. Once they took their bunk beds and added strings of Christmas lights and made it look like the inside of a submarine - or spaceship - can't remember which one right now.
Another time they wrote a simple script, went through my collection of 'to be donated clothing' and did a 10 minute version of a book they read about the Orphan Train.
- They were (and I might add still are) BIG Doctor Who fans. So they collected all information they could about the show (even the oldies)
- They were involved in Community Theater from around age 7.
- They took gymnastics (although I would have preferred dance classes, we supported their interests and encouraged their successes).
- They took piano lessons
- They had sleep overs nearly every weekend or so at one house or another, sometimes it was just one friend hanging out for the night so that the parents could go out on a date and not have to worry about babysitters, etc.
- They found a 'hidden forest grove' in our neighborhood (which was just a small grove of trees in our neighbors' backyard) and they gathered a bunch of old stuff like ropes, boards/hammer nails, and made their own little clearing where they would play for hours.
- We played with the Wii and we played Rock band (as a family)
- One of my kids bought a used DLR when they were 10 and started doing photography.
THIS is what nearly 10 year olds do (and this was only a few years ago for me). They did not Diaper their doll babies, nor sit by the fire and massage mommies back.
And my daughter was MORTIFIED that I would post her 10th birthday party pictures on my private facebook (where I have less then 100 friends). For far-away family to see.
God forbid I ever post the pictures or videos that they made at that age. And they would have been horribly embarrassed to have me tell the world that they were 'entertaining mommy' and rubbing her back. <--- Which by the way gave me serious 'creeped-out' vibes. *shaking the heebie-jeebies off of me now*
The pre-teen years are tough, and I'm furious at how TFW continues to infanticize the younger 6. They are not babies. They are growing children who are much more astute and creative than she gives them credit for.
The pre-teen years are tough, and I'm furious at how TFW continues to infanticize the younger 6. They are not babies. They are growing children who are much more astute and creative than she gives them credit for.
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But see the thing is, in one breath she's keeping them "babies" and in the other she expects so much adult responsibility from them. She is inconsistent, she keeps them guessing as to what is really (or what is appropriate) to be expected of them. She has no emotion or feelings for those kids, everything and anything they do is what SHE needs or wants. One moment she wants little babies, she makes them little babies. The next she wants servants, she makes them servants. She wants a mouthpiece for her hatred, she makes them her mouthpiece. They are TRULY extensions of herself. When they steer off course, she'll forcibly put them back on course. Until you've lived it, you don't know the real control she has over those kids.
I don't think 10 year old boys should be rubbing anything on their mother's body..just does not sound healthy to me...especially if she is lying prone.
Who thinks that "hanging out by the fireplace" means there's actually a fire in it?
Bueller? Bueller? Anyone? Bueller?
Vanessa said... 33
Well people, my siblings and I used to have to massage my mother's back! We also had to put her shoes on because she couldn't bend down (big eye roll) or her feet were ALWAYS swollen and sore. You just did it, it was never questioned. But God forbid any one of us got sick?? "How did you get sick?! Who were you hanging around with?! You're always taking off your hat/mitts!! etc. etc."
NOW looking back I see how truly effed up that was
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Vanessa, I'm always amazed (and educated!) by your posts. Your childhood with your narc mom sounds really unfortunate.
I can't imagine my mother ever complaining as she nursed me through colds, flus, sore throats, Strep throats (so effing painful, I can not imagine Kate's girl suffering for days with it) and mono.
Oh, not to mention upset stomachs and puking.
My "treat" when I was sick and stayed home from school was being in my MY BED, not on a freaking floor, and my mom wheeling in her B+W tv into my room.
TV in my room!!!!!!!!!!
What a treat!
It gives us the creeped-out vibes because, well, it IS creepy!
Imagine the uproar /outrage, if Jon posted a similar tweet about having one 10-year-old daughter entertain him by the fire while the other two rubbed his back. See what I mean? CREEPY.
Winsomeone said... 37
I don't think 10 year old boys should be rubbing anything on their mother's body..just does not sound healthy to me...especially if she is lying prone.
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I agree. Very inappropriate.
I was watching the clip of tonight's CT episode preview. It was interesting how Jon seemed more interested in defending his position than hearing what the dr. had to say. I didn't like how he raised his voice to talk over hef, instead of listening to her.
I'd noticed that pn earlier episodes...that he raises his voice to talk over someone when he doesn't want to hear what they were saying. It seems to happen mostly when they're saying something he is taking as anti-Liz.
He surely seems heavily invested in 'Liz can do no wrong.' lalalala. I can'tc*hear* you!
Which reads as I'm not going to stand up to her and you can't make me. Cuz I don't stand up to her. I'll stand up to you, but not her.
Yes, TFW is back to tweeting about the tups and Shoka- he's always good for a tweet or two to show what a good pet owner Kate is. I agree the boys rubbing her back is odd and certainly not to be shared on twitter. Kids are so easily embarrassed by parents at that age, first the girls and the dolls, now the boys and back-rubs. Wonder why TFW was not locked in her bedroom with her BFFs the twins? Maybe they are shunning her for a while after the 'media tour."
Maybe she's angling for a People cover/article with the Tups and Shoka??? LOL..
Of course, you know the boys rubbing her back didn't happen...Boys are "icky" and I doubt she would let them put a hand on her.
Didn't someone here mention how Shoka and Zorro hadn't been mentioned in a while? Cue the pics/mentions of Zorro now. She is so predictable it is pathetic. And of course she doesn't read here.....
Joy in Virginia.....did you catch St. Tony on The Exes last night? Leah Rimini volunteered to teach him to dance. It was very funny.
Berk's Neighbor, I just read Orphan Train. I am so impressed that your 10-year-old and her friends read it. Sad history and excellent lessons! Your list of activity sounds so stimulating and memory-making. I think every child would enjoy living in your home!
Why does she need her back rubbed so much anyway?
It seems a little yuck to have your kids always rubbing your back, especially the boys. Besides which, it's kinda all about you, and not about them.
No recognition of boundaries there....you're the parent, they're the kid. At the kids' ages, it's hard to establish your authority when needed if they've been giving you back rubs all the time.
It definitely has the eeewww factor. It has a sexual undertone. Not good.
Mel said... 48
Why does she need her back rubbed so much anyway?
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Because she works so, so very hard for her 8! countem 8! kids
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Winsomeone said... 37
I don't think 10 year old boys should be rubbing anything on their mother's body..just does not sound healthy to me...especially if she is lying prone.
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I agree. Very inappropriate.
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yes, just like the pic of Mady and the high heels
Funny how the creepy massages are so symbolic of stroking an ego.
This is interesting, from a forum:
"I've lived with a female narcissist for seven years now, and have one five year old child. Looking back, all the signs were there from day one. She was instantly irritated when I speak, cared more about what was happening at the next table, non sexual unless it served a purpose. Any attempt at intimacy is met by distraction, discomfort or avoidance. This narcissist requires a complex procedure before sex is allowed (massage, back scratching, etc.). It's a "what can you do for me first" or "day/week hasn't gone well, doesn't feel I've adequately earned it," etc. Of course, if I get angry or question anything, everything will be turned around as not her fault."
Can you imagine if one of the kids dared complain or whine about doing allll they have to do for her? Imagine if they said "eww, rubbing your back is just icky"
Vanessa, I'm always amazed (and educated!) by your posts. Your childhood with your narc mom sounds really unfortunate.
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Thanks Tucker. It is what it is.
If anything, she's really setting herself up for those kids to have proof positive of theIR dysfunction and that their mother is mentally ill, NOT THEM.
It's all on film and twitter, I don't have that kind proof and believe me, they can make you really doubt yourself. At least there's something positive about her big mouth! :)
And I do believe they rubbed her back. Tomorrow, or maybe even half an hour after she tweeted, those boys were back to being icky, or lazy, or dirty, or loud...they are whatever she says they are, at any given moment. and yes CREEPY! I agree, if it was Jon and the girls? She has no boundaries.
Dmasy....
I cannot take any credit for my kids' creativity. I embrace it, but they did a lot of this stuff on their own. My husband and I just supplied the tools or whatever supplies they needed.
My kids are still very creative, and involved in everything they can get their hands on. I'd share more, but I don't want to be cyberstalked by the sheeple. Thanks for the glowing praise though. I'll bank it for when I truly deserve it. ;-)
I think this applies to an intimate back rub by the fireplace too:
"Many narcissistic parents exhibit a disturbing disregard for sexual boundaries in their growing children. They are naked in front of their pubescent child of the opposite sex or walk in on them when they are changing. They bathe their children until a late age or shower with them. I don't believe family members being naked in front of each other is a bad thing at all provided it makes no one uncomfortable.
That appears to be the point for narcissistic parents. It's like they want to push the boundaries and make their growing children uncomfortable and get a protest from them ("Dad, I'm naked in here!") because they want to reply to that protest ("Oh, come on, you're my child, I changed you when you were a baby!") in a way that shows that the narcissist's child always remains the narcissist's child.
His CHILD. Not a budding, soon-to-be adult developing healthy boundaries.
HIS child. His property, an extension of his body."
Dmasy...I'm thinking you are probably talking about the novel that was released last year. My kids read one written by Verla Kay (it's more a kids book written about 10 years ago). Now I'm intrigued about the novel you read. . . going to look it up again on my kindle.
I think she shutup about M&C because they failed to diss their dad on the tv interviews as per her plan.
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I wonder if in her sick mind this is her way of getting back at them. Won't do my bidding on national T.V., FINE, you're dead to me. Now it's all about your little brothers and sisters, the dog and the bird. Have a nice life.
Obviously I'm exaggerating but she is a person who holds grudges for a very long time.
His CHILD. Not a budding, soon-to-be adult developing healthy boundaries.
HIS child. His property, an extension of his body
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Yes, I don't think there is anything "sexual" to the narc, they just don't SEE the child as a person. They cannot feel their embarrassment or read their child's cues that something is uncomfortable. And even if they DO see it? They don't care. They let camera crews/men film their nude children. Who HERE would ever ever EVER allow that? They are just things to her.
Sleepless in Seattle said....
How close is the hospital?
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The hospital is on the Eastside (I am in Greenlake area). I did go last night, and they tried the cervical gel, which produced very weak contractions. They decided to let her sleep, and will be starting the Pitocin drip soon. Baby is doing fine, though. When I wen there, they were just eating Taco Time and playing games on their devices. Kind of wish I had my iPad when I had my marathon 36 hour labor with my son! Would have been a good distraction.
Just to keep it interesting, my hot water and heat went out last night!
I wonder if in her sick mind this is her way of getting back at them
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Classic. Pits them against each other. Whoever is kissing her ass, towing the line is in her good graces. You dare "go against" her (even if you are a child!) you will pay.
Any attempt at intimacy is met by distraction, discomfort or avoidance
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I am sure most remember one of the earlier episodes, when TLC paid for a surprise (to Jon, allegedly) for Jon and Kate - a romantic getaway for a week-end. Remember that Kate spent the whole day in the sun without sunscreen and got a pretty bad sunburn? So it was "awww, poor Kate, can't do anything but lie here on the boat." I'm sure that also meant, no nooky for Jon on their romantic getaway.
I feel sure she did that on purpose.
However, I also recall Jon sitting there smiling contentedly, happy to have a week-end off together, just the two of them. Poor guy, still hadn't clued in.
Vanessa said... 33
Well people, my siblings and I used to have to massage my mother's back! We also had to put her shoes on because she couldn't bend down (big eye roll) or her feet were ALWAYS swollen and sore. You just did it, it was never questioned. But God forbid any one of us got sick?? ...
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Vanessa, I'm always amazed (and educated!) by your posts. Your childhood with your narc mom sounds really unfortunate.
I can't imagine my mother ever complaining as she nursed me through colds, flus, sore throats ...
My "treat" when I was sick and stayed home from school was being in my MY BED, not on a freaking floor, and my mom wheeling in her B+W tv into my room.
TV in my room!!!!!!!!!! What a treat!
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Vanessa - you and other posters here who grew up with a narcisstic parent provide such valuable insight. Thank you for sharing. And of course, as a kid, you don't question things because that's just the way it is in your house.
Tucker's Mom - I can't imagine letting my child suffer with any illness and acting as if they are just doing it to cause me trouble. Even though my son is 6 inches taller than me and pretty independent as a teenager, whenever he's sick, my mom protectiveness comes roaring back and he gets nursed back to health.
Female narcissists seem to lack the normal instinct of a mother to protect her young, and if it were up to them, our species probably would have died out long ago!
Yesterday, Barb Gilmer tweeted the following to Kate and Kate only:
Barbara Gilmer @BarbGilmer · 19h
@Kateplusmy8 2day is Geoffrey official 15th bday.&he's taller then me, so not fair!! He wants 2go2 outback stake house. I'll make it happen!
Of course, Milo, jumps right in and starts tweeting to Barb:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 17h
@BarbGilmer @Kateplusmy8 Oh my! Your young teen has a #MansAppetite I see...@Outback steak house is 4the big hearty hungries! Enjoy! :)
Barbara Gilmer @BarbGilmer · 15h
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 @Outback He ordered prime rib, baked potato, veggies, but he didn't have dessert, said he was stuffed lol! :)
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 15h
@BarbGilmer @Kateplusmy8 @Outback OMGoodness...the young man knows WHAT is best I see! That set U back $$ a bit! LOL
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 15h
Okay @Kateplusmy8 Imagine taking out all 8 there 2 @Outback!! @BarbGilmer just took her BD boy there! Yo Mate...clean yer plate! :)
So this morning, Sandie(gotta love her), tweets the following to Milo:
Sandie @SandieBellz · 6h
@MiloandJack This was Barb’s son’s day! Maybe @Kateplusmy8 can say Happy Birthday. @BarbGilmer
Barbara Gilmer @BarbGilmer · 4h
@SandieBellz @Kateplusmy8 Lol...yeah right! But any who...we had a blast! :)
Sandie and a few others seems to be sick of Milo always jumping into conversations that don't involve her. Milo should have just wished Barb's son a HB and called it a day, but she just has to insinuate herself into a conversation that doesn't include her.
I don't think Barb has had a tweet from Kate in a long, long time, and if I were her, I'd be terribly pissed at Milo. Barb seems too nice to tell Milo to buzz off or just ignore her. I do give props to Sandie for saying something to her.
Lauren apparently doesn't like Farrah Abraham:
Lauren @ljohnson2006 · 1h
@F1abraham yeah right. What about being a mom to Sophia? I guess fame is more important than she is
Lauren @ljohnson2006 · 1h
How do celebs with young children have so much time to tweet? I guess nannies are raising their kids
Apparently, Lauren has 2 sets of standards. One for celebrities she likes and one for those she doesn't. Doesn't she see that what she tweeted to Farrah, also applies to Kate?
SMH
I found the remark about the boys massaging an adult woman's back odd and icky too. They are about to start the pre-teenager years--I doubt they would be comfortable with touching their mother in that way. They are going to be 10 in three months. I didn't do that with my parents.
Milo is gushing about it, of course. But not rambling on as usual. Only 4 tweets about it last night. The last one had my smacking my head. I bet she will mention it again today and praise her mothering skills to death! Is that all she ever talk about? HOW WONDERFUL SHE IS AS A MOTHER OR HOW DOWN SHE IS AND ALWAYS NEEDING SUPPORT? RAINBOWS, UNICORNS, FAIRIES!!!
Ur a GOOD MOM @Kateplusmy8 I see how U spent extra time w/little girls..2nite quality time w/ur boys& late nite chats w/C&M! #Communication
6:49 PM - 19 Feb 2014 · Details
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@Kate is a Twit #63 You missed one from Gladys to Barb...heh heh
"@BarbGilmer @Kateplusmy8 @Outback HaHa...I bet! So what does he order? Do U all get the #BloominOnion as well 4 appetizer? We love those!"
@ljohnson2006: If only @Kateplusmy8 could tell the bullies how to live their lives like they tell her.
@ljohnson2006: All of the TM girls are major drama queens. Be happy that MTV gave you fame and you're set for life
@ljohnson2006: How do celebs with young children have so much time to tweet? I guess nannies are raising their kids
@ljohnson2006: We don't need to see being farrah catelynn or amber. The tabloids tell us what we need to know
@ljohnson2006: Is @F1abraham's "boyfriend" ever going to appear on @CouplesTherapyV or is everyone just going to believe her bs? I hope vh1 sues her
This one's hypocrisy and blindness is stunning
When I was about 17, my parents unintentionally did something that made me never ever want to get a tattoo. We were staying at a hotel on vacation which was holding a WWII reunion. I wound up having to walk through the reception area of the reunion and got a close up look at 40-50 year old blurry wrinkled and gross looking tattoos. Every one I was was hideous. I pretty much decided on the spot I was never going to get a tattoo if that's what they will eventually look like when you are 80. Still do t have one 20+ years later. I think fewer kids would get tattoos if their parents took them to veterans homes and looked at how they all become Rorschach blots eventually.
Has WOS tossed Barb Gilmer aside? I believe Barb once was the go between when WOS was receiving requests from fans to have their books autographed. Fans needed to contact Barb to get the addy where to send book plus pre paid postage in order to have their book signed. KATE is a POS for not sending BD wishes to Barbs son. Milo go suck an egg!!!
All I can say is that TFW needs a boyfriend to give her back massages or since TLC is obviously not paying for her Spa treatments anymore, TFW needs to pay for a local massage and not use her sons or daughters for massage and to entertain her. I do hope Jon will get custody of his sons sooner than later. If anything, TFW should be giving her sons and daughters a massage from being overworked and doing endless chores during their school week and weekend custody with her. They probably need a good back rub more than TFW does.
Yeah, Farrah is getting another MTV special ( along with the other original teen moms) called Being Farrah....OY.....she's making a lot of money in her dubious endeavors.
Please don't spoil Olympic results for those of us who can't see it until later. Most of the events air in the middle of the night or during business hours.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 5h
Hey guys! I finally found my CHICKEN!! It's been lost in all the snow! pic.twitter.com/zSfFLmhfNP
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Shoka's talking again. The Zorro novelty must have worn off.
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If anything, TFW should be giving her sons and daughters a massage from being overworked and doing endless chores during their school week and weekend custody with her. They probably need a good back rub more than TFW does.
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Boy, no kidding. I thought that too. What has that lazy sack of nothingness done to deserve a backrub from her sons, or from anyone for that matter? She really thinks she's royalty. The sad part of it is they can't say 'no' to her, can they. They must "honor her requests" or else.
The woman is demented.
Didn't Barb disappear when the Blankenship story broke?
Admin wrote...
In the evening Dr. Jenn sits down with the group for a "fun activity." Oh, potato sack racing? Hula hooping? She says Teen Duck Lips was oh so very "brave" to do therapy by herself. Oh good grief, this kind of coddling and endless pats on the back is not what Teen Duck Lips needs.
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I lost track of the CT circus but last time I watched it on Youtube a couple of weeks ago, I was annoyed at Dr Jenn for sitting there with a trembling chin, feeling sorry for Farrah. I don't know what tall tale she was told when the cameras were removed, but it must have been a doozy for Jenn to feel that way. She obviously fell for TDL's story hook, line and sinker. It's odd behavior for a therapist to show so much emotion about a client. I think it's wiser for an analyst to offer empathy rather than sympathy.
Not only that, but Farrah and Jenn were starting to look alike to me, almost as if they were sisters. Better that I not watch the show anymore and just stick to reading your hilariously entertaining recaps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFeY5TEVHaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFeY5TEVHaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f1GhAWUbOU
Just a little reminder of how she REALLY treats people, ESPECIALLY the ones who are "supposed" to be closest to her.
Shoka's talking again. The Zorro novelty must have worn off.
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Or else he bit someone and he's dead.
All I can say is that TFW needs a boyfriend to give her back massages or since TLC is obviously not paying for her Spa treatments anymore, TFW needs to pay for a local massage and not use her sons or daughters for massage and to entertain her.
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Betcha any money that Milo would do it for free.
@ljohnson2006: We don't need to see being farrah catelynn or amber. The tabloids tell us what we need to know
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I saw that earlier and thought it was hilarious. When the tabloids print negative things about Kate, the Lauren person says you can't believe anything they say and they are all trash. When they print something about someone she doesn't like, then the tabs are gospel.
She's nuts.
Lol remember when Shoka was writing his own blogs?.... WOOF! Dumb bitch.....
Apparently, Lauren has 2 sets of standards. One for celebrities she likes and one for those she doesn't. Doesn't she see that what she tweeted to Farrah, also applies to Kate?
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I don't think Lauren can see anywhere beyond her girl crush for the HLN gals.
The back rubbing is incredibly inappropriate. What is she doing that hurts her back anyway? The back rubbing by the boys has sexual connotations. It just does. Creepy.
Paula said... 44
Maybe she's angling for a People cover/article with the Tups and Shoka??? LOL..
Of course, you know the boys rubbing her back didn't happen...Boys are "icky" and I doubt she would let them put a hand on her.
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Speaking of People, in my area that People tv commercial runs a lot. Hundreds of covers are flashed and as noted here before, Kate is not on one of them.
Every time Kate gets the cover of People (why God, why?) the sheeple hold that up as the holy grail of Kate's relevance and stahdom. That commercial confirms what we already knew. People will put Kate on the cover occasionally for the controversy and the trainwreck factor. For their tv ad, they stick to the real celebrities and inspiring people. Kate is neither.
Ever since Jon announced that he's seeking custody, she's been on a perpetual gushing binge about these kids, including the boys. I wonder if she knows how transparent she really is.
She's worried...probably more about the psyc evaluation than anything else.
What activities have the tups been involved in since they were born, off camera? I hope I am wrong, but there is no indication any of the 6 have any other activities outside of the compound.
Where is the social interaction for the kids with anyone, including their immediate family and friends? Seriously?
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@ljohnson2006: We don't need to see being farrah catelynn or amber. The tabloids tell us what we need to know
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So. Confused.
The tabloids tell Lauren all she needs to know about Catelynn and Amber. When the tabloids tell us about Kate though, it's all lies, the source was paid off (and also jellus) Is that how that works?
I used to babysit occasionally for my friend's two children. While the baby was napping, the 6 year old boy had my full attention. He wanted to play with his building blocks and cars. So, I would lie down on the floor, on my stomach, and we'd build ramps and run cars. One day he stood up, picked up a car, sat on the floor next to me and started rolling the car up my hands, arms then on my back and then down the other arm to the floor. He did that several times during our car play. I have to tell you, it felt great. When his mom got home I told her about it. She told me he did that to her all the time and he considered arms as ramps to the back.
It was incredibly relaxing.
He was 6. It was his idea. He thought of it as a continuation of the car game. There was nothing creepy about it. And I never asked him to do it. He did it on his own. About a year or so later he quit on his own.
Kate's "massage" tweet is, on the other hand, creepy.
Found this interesting article about Mothers/Sons crossing boundaries.
Most intriguing is how the son is becoming the stand in for a 'nurturing spouse'. This is a boundary that should not be crossed. Even though the article discusses 'foot massaging', it can be cross referenced to son's who are now standing in for the spouse that their mother doesn't have.
It could be brought on by guilt or a need to feel appreciated.
Read article here
Of course, you know the boys rubbing her back didn't happen...Boys are "icky" and I doubt she would let them put a hand on her. 44
I HOPE it's not true, but the fact that she thinks it's a sign of good mothering is truly frightening. Not to mention icky.
So, the girls get a 'request honored' then the next day the boys have to entertain and pamper TFW?
And I agree that massaging a parent takes a creepy vibe. If Jon mentioned one of the girls doing that, you bet people would be outraged. I do remember as a kid my dad periodically asked me to walk on his back if it was sore. It was actually kind of fun to walk all over him and I got pretty good at it! But an actual massage? No. That disturbs me to even think of doing that to either one of my parents and we are very close. Ick.
The boys probably do it because it's loving, physical contact that they can give their mother and get a positive response from. Children need to be held, hugged, etc. and I just don't see Kate being affectionate with ANY of her children. While it is incredibly ass-backwards that they're massaging her instead of her lovingly scratching their little backs, it is a physical interaction w/ their mother that they probably crave. JMO. :)
That back rubbing tweet is yet even more ammo for Jon's attorneys.
When Kate first tweeted about the chicken, I thought she meant one of the real ones. Does she still have the chickens? Are they buried under the snow?
Jtn said... 68
When I was about 17, my parents unintentionally did something that made me never ever want to get a tattoo. We were staying at a hotel on vacation which was holding a WWII reunion. I wound up having to walk through the reception area of the reunion and got a close up look at 40-50 year old blurry wrinkled and gross looking tattoos. Every one I was was hideous. I pretty much decided on the spot I was never going to get a tattoo if that's what they will eventually look like when you are 80. Still do t have one 20+ years later. I think fewer kids would get tattoos if their parents took them to veterans homes and looked at how they all become Rorschach blots eventually.
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And those of us that have worked in nursing homes are also grossed out at young folks getting tattoos, we just pretty much guffaw now along with it. Do you all have any idea on this blue/green planet what that butterfly on your boob is going to look like when your nursing assistant bathes you at age 80? Good heavens!
As far as Kate bragging that her nearly 10 year olds are diapering dollies and the boys are massaging their trampy dressed mother laying by the fireplace... Kate may be more infantile and mentally ill than I thought. As so are her sheeple. If JON were boasting these activities, they would SEE it as ill and wrong and raking him over the coals. They would SEE that the parent is damaging the child in permanent, serious ways that will not be undone with 6 quick happy sessions of psuedo TV therapy. But because it is the mother harming her daughters and damaging her sons, it is all ok because children are the chattel of the female parent. They will think it is fine too, when The Gestational Carrier starts pimping them out like Kardashians.
Mentally ill women all, who found their patron saint. They worship the checkbook she floats on.
Oh I am sure the neck rubbing did indeed happen. Narcissistic parents use their children to suit their needs.
I had to rub my mother's forearms for years...I guess from the time I was 11 until 16. She'd call me in her room, make me rub her forearms...she'd sit there and either watch tv, read a book, or close her eyes. I'd sit there mute on the side of the bed and star at the wall.
Didn't TFMJG have one of the boys rubbing her feet in one of the earlier episodes? Maybe the one with Joelgate?
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Amy and her husband from ABC Baking, of Kitchen Nightmares fame, are scheduled to be on Dr. Phil on 2/26. I can't stand Phil, but I might tune in to see what the couple is upset about now.
Bitchy Pants said... 95
Didn't TFMJG have one of the boys rubbing her feet in one of the earlier episodes? Maybe the one with Joelgate?
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Yes! I remember thinking at the time that it was so weird.
Bitchy Pants said... 95
Didn't TFMJG have one of the boys rubbing her feet in one of the earlier episodes? Maybe the one with Joelgate?
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If she makes them pamper her when she's not sick just what does she get them to do for her when she is? I shudder to think. They must run their butts off trying to please her. Oh those poor kids.
Carole said... 96
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Amy and her husband from ABC Baking, of Kitchen Nightmares fame, are scheduled to be on Dr. Phil on 2/26. I can't stand Phil, but I might tune in to see what the couple is upset about now.
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He's still with her? The man must be a masochist.
So. Confused.
The tabloids tell Lauren all she needs to know about Catelynn and Amber. When the tabloids tell us about Kate though, it's all lies, the source was paid off (and also jellus) Is that how that works?
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Apparently so is Lauren. Confused...and messed up.
@ljohnson2006: We don't need to see being farrah catelynn or amber. The tabloids tell us what we need to know
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Bite your tongue about Teen Duck Lips!
She is a wonderful addition to Couples Therapy and I for one cannot wait until DEBRA shows up tonight. Woo hoo!
OT for those who are interested. The live Decorah Eagle cam is back up for the season. Last I read it was mama eagle on the nest and possibly working on laying first egg. Poor thing is coated in snow because of the storm.
http://www.ustream.tv/decoraheagles
I agree it is sort of creepy for 10 year old boys to be massaging mama. 10 year old girls playing w/ baby dolls, not the end of the world. Don't see a need for it to be made public. It's odd if all 3 are at the exact same level of play interests. I'd rather have my 10 year old interested in a doll than trying to sneak out of the house and meet up with a 16 year old boy. It is sad the kids are all lumped together into one group with no options to explore their individuality. I googled 10 year olds playing w/ dolls. http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111015204421AAzWk0b
It would be in the kids' best interests to each get to pick something to do for the spring season, based on what they want to do, not based on what's easy for Kate, as in all 3 girls or boys do this or do nothing, which seems to be her current and only option. Wonder if Mady is in the current school play - no tweets about attending or the extra pick ups after rehearsals. I'd say there is no way they are currently in any kind of counseling - it would be highly recommended that they be allowed to pursue INDIVIDUAL activities and interests, and that isn't happening - per Kate's tweets. She should be running around like a crazy person every afternoon/evening full of activities. But again, it's all based on Kate's laziness. she is one of the laziest/self centered people I've even seen.
Guess this was the ONLY time ate showed any appreciation to Em Tanner!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f1GhAWUbOU
Jtn said... 68
When I was about 17, my parents unintentionally did something that made me never ever want to get a tattoo. We were staying at a hotel on vacation which was holding a WWII reunion. I wound up having to walk through the reception area of the reunion and got a close up look at 40-50 year old blurry wrinkled and gross looking tattoos. Every one I was was hideous. I pretty much decided on the spot I was never going to get a tattoo if that's what they will eventually look like when you are 80. Still do t have one 20+ years later. I think fewer kids would get tattoos if their parents took them to veterans homes and looked at how they all become Rorschach blots eventually.
What a shame that all you took away from a visit to a veterans home was that their tattoos faded and their skin was saggy. If that left an indelible imprint on your life that affected your adult decisions, just think what you could have taken with you through life had you stopped and talked to them and asked for the stories behind the tattoos. I don't care what my vet's tattoo looks like in 40 years. I know the sacrifice it represents and the impact his service had on this country.
I'd rather have my 10 year old interested in a doll than trying to sneak out of the house and meet up with a 16 year old boy.
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Yikes, there are quite a broad variety of more mature and intellectual stimulating activities a 10 year old could do before making the leap from baby dolls to going out with boys! It doesn't have to be one or the other. Scouts, art, musical instruments, soccer, basketball, chess, sewing, building things, cooking, baking, are all fine activities for a 10 year old that are more mature and don't involved taking up with boys or encouraging a kid to "grow up too fast." Jon has expressed concern about their development, which makes this all the more concerning. Are they being encouraged to do activities that will stimulate development and help them progress through these challenges, or are they being constantly praised when they act more like babies? Has Kate played a role in the developmental issues he noticed? It's one thing to just let a child play with what they want and not say anything, it's quite another level to overly praise babyish behavior both in their activities and things they say, and never praise more mature things they do and say and lament it when they act older. Of that Kate does FOR SURE, we've SEEN IT. Hence the kids have learned that being a baby makes mommy happy, growing up makes mommy unhappy, so I guess I will stay a baby because I love mom and want her to be happy.
Like I said the other day, if it were the only babyish activity they ever did it wouldn't be in issue but it's but one of many things Kate claims they do and Kate praises them for that strike a casual viewer as very immature and not very age appropriate.
I do however find the massages creepier because of the sexual nature of it. A child should not be charged with stroking their mother for her pleasure, either her back or her ego, even if it never goes any further than that. I can't imagine how confused that would make a child.
Wowser, did you notice she said KOO-pon in that video (several times), but later said KEW-pon when talking about her skills on various talk shows? Weird.
I see nothing wrong with being a bit taken aback by a wrinkled tattoo. However I tend to agree that it's not really important. My cousin's Navy tattoo means the world to him and represents so much, including all he sacrificed to keep us safe post 9-11, for almost ten years. I don't think he is going to care when it's wrinkled someday, his time in the service means more than a few wrinkles or that it doesn't look like it does now. It's kind of symbolic of who he will be anyway. He may look older and different but what he gave to this country doesn't fade. I think most people are well aware it will wrinkle some day, they're not stupid, maybe they just don't care.
I wanted to add, that it is a shame that nothing Kate says can be taken just at face value. Like the kids playing w/ dolls or a dog picture, or enjoying a simple night in front of the fireplace. Her motives are always deemed as suspicious, garnering attention for herself, or plotting for a new show because they're lil and cute. News is that they aren't little anymore and being immature for their age is not cute. It's fine if they are immature for their age, but the twitter world doesn't need to know what their development is.
Admin - I agree. It would be great if Kate got off her lazy ass and allowed the kids to be involved in all the world has to offer. Winter doesn't have to mean being stuck inside the house every weekend or evening. There must be plenty of activities offered w/in the town, winter basketball, indoor soccer, gymnastics, various dance glasses, art glasses, scouting. I don't really believe they are as babyish as she makes them out to be. I never heard of kids screetching w/ glee about such mundane daily interactions.
Starting to Wonder said... 105
What a shame that all you took away from a visit to a veterans home was that their tattoos faded and their skin was saggy.
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The point of that particular discussion was what tatts look like on the skin of elderly and the personal decision of getting one, that's all. I didn't see where Jtn had an opinion of the veterans aside from that.
I think the same way about flesh tunnels a lot of younger people are putting in their earlobes these days. Good lord 40 or 50 years from now they may be the nicest person in the world but they'll look like bloodhounds.
Starting To Wonder, what are you starting to wonder?
Jon is soooo immature! Come one dude, you need to get it together for those 8 kids of yours. Please? You are pretty much their only hope.
AuntieAnn said... 111
Starting to Wonder said... 105
What a shame that all you took away from a visit to a veterans home was that their tattoos faded and their skin was saggy.
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The point of that particular discussion was what tatts look like on the skin of elderly and the personal decision of getting one, that's all. I didn't see where Jtn had an opinion of the veterans aside from that.
I think the same way about flesh tunnels a lot of younger people are putting in their earlobes these days. Good lord 40 or 50 years from now they may be the nicest person in the world but they'll look like bloodhounds.
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Thank you, AuntieAnn. I was about to make the same comment. I wonder what a boob job looks like by the time it gets to a nursing home.
PJ
Baby update--Beautiful, healthy boy born this morning! Her mom and I were both at the birth. My daughter-in-law had a very tough, long labor, but came through like a champion. My son--not so much. He was very happy to have both grandmothers there. Baby is perfect, and already nursing.
Paula said... 112
Starting To Wonder, what are you starting to wonder?
Starting to Wonder summed up my feelings about several areas of curiosity in the Gosselin saga. I wonder about Jon and his ability to positively impact the kids' lives. I wonder if he is capable, financially, of fighting to do the right thing for the kids. I wonder if he has the emotional strength to go through a prolonged battle with his ex.
I wonder about Robert and the book and whether it will ever see the light of day again. I wonder how the first publication was so overlooked by the mainstream media. I wonder why so many people saw so much but still don't come forward, CAs be damned.
I wonder why Kate isn't held accountable for her behavior. I wonder how she can hold herself up as a stellar example of parenting when anyone with a brain can see she isn't. I wonder how the kids will turn out having missed out on so many fundamental joys of childhood.
And I wonder who/what Milo really is.
That's why I read here daily, although I seldom post, because all of you wonder the same things and provide some great answers to my wondering.
Ex-Nurse, congratulations! What a wonderful day for your family.
Starting to Wonder said... 105
What a shame that all you took away from a visit to a veterans home was that their tattoos faded and their skin was saggy.
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The point of that particular discussion was what tatts look like on the skin of elderly and the personal decision of getting one, that's all. I didn't see where Jtn had an opinion of the veterans aside from that.
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I'm Wondering why the harsh retort and the sanctimony?
One can objectively note that tattoos, any tattoos, can be unsightly on saggy skin without being accused of dissing vets.
Sheesh, chill.
I watched Jon and Liz's portions of CT.
Liz seems introspective and open to fedback, so that's good.
Jon is taking her shit because of 2 things- his penis and the fact that Liz is great to his kids and already has her own, and doesn't want more.
I think Liz knows this and that's how she gets away with treating him like crap. It's abusive. She speaks to Jon with utter disregard for his feelings, and frankly, his dignity, and Jon just takes it because Liz also can be loving and affectionate.
Jon is still acting like a victim of abuse from Kate.
He can say that he doesn't deserve to be treated like that, but he won't back it up with any consequences.
Ex Nurse, congratulations!
So, are you Grandma, Nanna... or....?
Thank you, AuntieAnn. I was about to make the same comment. I wonder what a boob job looks like by the time it gets to a nursing home.
PJ
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lol!
Maybe like this? (pause at 2:48)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1kOlWkjEHo
Congratulations on the new addition to your family Ex Nurse.
(hope you have hot water now, too!)
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