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Ewe-niversity.
I love it!! LOL
OK sheeple I saw shadows! Unfortunately the first shadow is that of the woman holding the leash of the dog. If you pause you'll see the leash is part of that shadow. The second shadow might either be L finally coming over to see the dog (you'll notice she appears in the frame right after the shadow passes by) or it might just be someone walking by. I didn't hear TFW's name at all.
I did see a couple of more shadows that the sheeple seemed to have missed....I saw the shadow of the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll and I saw the shadow of the magic lugie!
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 196
MARIE @MY_2BCOLLIES 8m
@RealZiggyFlo @Kateplusmy8 I saw the same thing. I actually caught the shadows on the first viewing.
Oh, good grief. Now it's Kate's shadow. How could she tell? The size of the shadow boobs? Are these sheeple for real? Nobody could be this stupid, could they?
You know, it's both laughable and pathetic at the same time.
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Shadow boobs LOL!
Sorry Zignut. A shadow does not proof make. Proof people, we need PROOF! No Kate in the pics or video, no proof. There was THOUSANDS of people in that park with cell phones and NOT ONE person got a picture of Kate with her kids? Never happened. #setup #friendofDeanna
I thought maybe mater degree was some sort of advanced science degree then I realized wait that's m-a-T-T-e-r.
Dmasy said... 199
Auntie, if you ever met Kate you would render her speechless!
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Only with the help of duct tape, Dmasy. lol.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/04/where-are-gosselin-children-while-kate-films-celebrity-apprentice-jon-gosselin-nannies/
I was on the fence as to whether Pug Lady just happened to stumble upon the Gosselin kids, take video and post it on social media, and now, I see it's probably not by accident.
As if we didn't have an argument to NOT post the Gosselins on social media and tweet about them over and over and over, we sure do now.
They are front and center on Radar.
I said the litmus test would be if Kate told this person to take the video down, and evidently, she has not.
So, this has Kate written all over it.
How convenient it is to show proof positive that Kate is shuttling the kids up to NYC while she tapes CA just as reports surface from dueling "insiders" about Jon refusing to have more custody while she films, thus leaving a hefty financial burden on Kate.
It just gets sicker and sicker as time goes on.
Poor kids. With all of this "he said-she said" BS, I can see that soon, at least some of the kids will begin to crack under the pressure.
NJGal51 said...
I saw the shadow of the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll and I saw the shadow of the magic lugie!
Magic lugie!! Bahahahahah! Thanks for my laugh of the day!!
That takes at least fore yeers of ewe-niversity.
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Baaaaaaa hahahahaha!
Marie
I thought maybe mater degree was some sort of advanced science degree then I realized wait that's m-a-T-T-e-r.
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lol! I thought it had something to do with a degree in parenting, specifically Motherhood!
I did see a couple of more shadows that the sheeple seemed to have missed....I saw the shadow of the 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll and I saw the shadow of the magic lugie!
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Back to Zapruder Gate and the Sheeple Commission report!
At least we can laugh about it, but the sheep are so darn dumb that they convince themselves that they are serious. Oh, well...at least they are happy. Some of them, that is.
Yep, those shadows had to be TFW. Who else could have been there? As any New Yorker knows, Central Park is a veritable ghost town on a warm, sunny, spring Sunday afternoon.
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Well, maybe Steve cleared the park just for Kate and the kids and this Sarah person and her pug. He does that with bathrooms and lunchrooms, so why not move on to bigger things for him to clear? Chief Security Officers do that, especially ones who have personally guarded and protected Presidents.
Blowing In The Wind
You know someone here could write a book and call it "Stupid Things Sheeple Say". I bet it would be bestseller in the Comedy section!
This quote from the article really made me laugh: "The only reason she's even ding Celebrity Apprentice is to make and (sic) income to help raise her kids. Having eight children isn't cheap!" Come on now, we all know that the only reason she's doing CA is to get her face on TV again. The CA pay probably isn't even enough to cover the cost of the nannies.
@ConcernedChick: WTH?!?! @Kateplusmy8 and Steve with their own reality tv show? Eww. #cheater http://m.celebdirtylaundry.com/2014/kate-gosselin-steve-neild-bodyguard-celebrity-apprentice/
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WTH indeed CC. What will they call it, "Kate Plus 8 With A Cheating Mate"?
I am feeling particularly bright this morning. I followed all the clues you brilliant ladies posted.
So -- Kate arranged a random photo op with a complete stranger. The Central Park encounter documents "well-adjusted, happy, polite and animal-loving children".
Then Kate plants a Jon-is-mean-to-me article on Radar Online.
The end result would hopefully be that I will want to watch Woe-Is-Me-Kate ... the hard working mother of eight on Celebrity Apprentice.
I will then discover her to be beautiful, spunky, funny and above all devoted to raising her family in comfort and style.
Well. Let's see just how that works for her.
THREE nannies!! Well, I am guessing this was a set up to 1. Prove Kate sees the kids while filming and 2. Throw Jon under the bus.
Regardless, Kate was not there in the park. Radar makes no mention of that, Zigcrazy.
Funny thing. Her time away and employing nannies should strengthen Jon's case to get custody time from her.
Paula said...13
You know someone here could write a book and call it "Stupid Things Sheeple Say". I bet it would be bestseller in the Comedy section!
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It would be a funny book! Just think, if Robert could write it and get it ready and put it on Amazon ebook, it would only stay on there less than 2 days because kate would get her lawyers to have it removed because she would think it was about all her and her 6 fans! haha
I went to youtube this morning and the video of Paddy and Nico, the dancers on BGT was first loaded right after the show on Saturday night. The UK is 7 hours ahead of us. As of this morning, I read in an article that the video now has 10 million views since Saturday night.
I want them to win!
Is it normal for the security guard to walk so far in front of the target? Shouldn't he be slightly behind her? Or at least beside her?
a source close to Jon exclusively tells RadarOnline.com that he’s helping out with the children, while another source close to Kate says her estranged ex isn’t helping any more than usual and she’s had to employ three nannies to help out while she tapes.
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Why am I not at ALL surprised that Jon's source is saying yes absolutely he's watching the kids more now that she's out of town, while Kate's camp says he is not watching them and even tries to make it seem like he only has one day a week instead of every other weekend as well, which would be four days a week on those weeks, actually. Gee who do ya think is lying?
Further, even if Jon were sticking to his usual visitation schedule, it could be on the advice of an attorney. Once you start just being available whenever the other parent decides to abandon their children on a whim, that parent starts to feel that it is okay to treat you like a doormat and free baby-sitter. You might not want to make it easy for Kate to do whatever. She needs to figure this out without expecting Jon to bend over backwards for her, especially when he has a real job. I wouldn't blame him for sticking to the schedule. It's a mantra every family law attorney tells their clients when there is a difficult ex: stick to the schedule, stick to the schedule, stick to the schedule. Either choice is okay, to accommodate her or not, either one is correct.
And there goes the obvious source Deanna who says Kate has eight kids to support that's the only reason she's doing it. STOP! Then why doesn't she get a full time job instead of a six week stint that's over as soon as it started and all the money goes to babysitters? And forgive me but what the fuck does Deana know about what is going on 250 miles away? Because Kate told her so? Lord knows Kate wouldn't lie.
" fore yeers of ewe-niversity"
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Best comment of the year, so far. I'm impressed. That's going to be tough to beat.
PJ
I am still curious as to why Deanna, or anyone for that matter, would attach themselves to someone as toxic as Kate Gosselin. You are known by who you associate with and that cannot be good for Deanna AT ALL. But, she is one who will have to live with consequences of that choice.
By the way the whole Simon and Tamara saga that they are playing out on twitter is exactly why it was wise for Jon to get off twitter.
If he doesn't engage with her it can't get to that point.
And that's a glimpse into the future if I ever saw one, the 15 year old daughter taking Simon's side. You can brainwash a 10 year old. You can brainwash a 13 year old. But by 15, kids know what's up and are going to draw heir own conclusions and there's nothing you can do about it. And, they're going to go on social media and say those conclusions. I wish Sidney the best.
By the way the comments on Radar are mostly pro Jon and many from people with real names who don't seem to know much about this (i.e. not sheeples or haters), saying Jon is not her whipping boy and that it's selfish and unrealistic of her to just expect him to suddenly take six weeks off from his REAL job, she is out of touch with how real jobs work, and that she is doing this for the fame not to exploit her kids. Well done, general population.
I am still curious as to why Deanna, or anyone for that matter, would attach themselves to someone as toxic as Kate Gosselin.
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Yes, and what about being Kate Gosselin's source for all things "she's a good mom I swear it!" is fulfilling to Deanna??
Does Deanna, or the source whoever it may be, see this as "helping"? Wouldn't you at some point ask yourself why Kate can't just take care of herself? Wouldn't you at some point ask yourself whether this is truly best for the kids to feed the flames by constantly running to Radar whenever the bloggers start criticizing Kate to "set the record straight?" It has to feel pathetic after awhile.
If their friends, including those who speak up for Jon, would stop being sources for Radar, they just might not have anything to write. Or on another note, if the sources would all just tell the truth there would be no he said she said, which creates more stories.
Just a matter of time. From Celeb Dirty Laundry:
It seems like the success from Celebrity Apprentice has gone to her head already, especially since sources say that she’s trying to land herself another reality show – and this time, with her bodyguard, Steve Neild. Forget that Steve is married and committed to someone else, since that didn’t stop her from starting an affair with him. Now, sources claim that Kate’s trying to convince Steve to dump his wife and marry her, and she plans for that marriage to put her back in the spotlight. In fact, she’s apparently looking for another ‘Jon and Kate Plus 8′ type show, except this time with Steve and her slightly more grown-up children.
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I actually kind of believe this.
Here's another common problem we have when dads like Jon choose to let moms like Kate dump the kids on him when it's HER time.
In her mind, she keeps score with it. Narcissists keep score of things other people do not. So later down the line, not necessarily 8 weeks from now but six months, when SHE wants something she will remind Jon of all the days he had the kids when he wasn't supposed to. She will attribute this to her generosity and kind heart, and frame it as a gigantic favor to him (when really, he was doing HER a favor to drop everything for her little whim so she wouldn't have to pay babysitters.) She will then use this to justify taking the kids from him on his time, or doing something with them he objects to, or anything along those lines because "he owes her" for her generosity.
If you never engage in changing the schedule, she can never hold it against you later. Whatever he chooses that's up to him but he should think very carefully about it and be sure to talk to his attorney. She's a raging parental alienator, so what you would be happy to do when the mother is normal is not the same with a mom like her.
I actually kind of believe this.
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Me too. She's definitely scheming for a show, I think she always has been. It's her latest throw something out there and see what sticks. She's already tried lots of other ideas, no takers. I would not put it past her whatsoever to now try the Steve angle. Hey what does it matter if you lose your self respect as long as you get your mug on TV?
It has to be killing her to see the Duggars, Little People and Little Couple all getting frequently air time. They've all be around as long as her or longer.
AS IF Kate would even ask/allow Jon to take the kids more while she's off impresing Donald Trump with her mad business skillz!! And remember, some of the kids don't even WANT to be with Jon anymore.
Puh-leeze, Radar. This is so laughable.
I wonder which sheeple is the "insider" who needs rent money since there apparently isn't going to be a big lawsuit payout now.
Dead giveaway it's just a sheeple or Deanna, marginalizing Jon's visitation schedule by incorrectly stating it as "one day a week." That is certainly not what the schedule is and they darn well know it.
It's a free country and you can take up for a pathetic ex reality star who isn't woman enough to fight her own battles all you want, however please do not LIE about the FACTS when doing so.
I just realized that Jon has been silent since Couples Therapy. So many people urged him to be quiet, and now he's done it. The press he did around that time, as we suspected, was probably a contractual obligation.
When I think about TFW missing a month of her children's lives, it amazes me that her fans can still claim she's a fantastic mother.
These are little kids. Every day is full - school, friends, hurt feelings, dreams, bullies, crushes, expectations, disappointments. Times 8.
If Supernanny Jo Frost herself was there 24/7, it still wouldn't be right.
But come 10th birthday time, TFW will turn on the waterworks and talk about how her children mean everything to her.
I will then discover her to be beautiful, spunky, funny and above all devoted to raising her family in comfort and style.
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Dmasy too funny. Yet in their sad little heads that is EXACTLY what they expect to happen. If there's one thing that's quite fun to watch it's the level of delusion that comes from Kate's camp. I've never seen anything like it. They are so hell bent on saving the world, one hater at a time. They're convinced this can be done. They are evangelists.
Admin, ITA. I cannot imagine there would be any appeal for a show like that. If Steve wanted to marry her, he would have divorced Gina years ago. I think this idea is Kate's dream: marry Steve and make it a reality show.
Great tweet from ConcernedChick
Concerned Chick @ConcernedChick 31m
So Jon is expected to take a month off of work to save @Kateplusmy8 money for nannies while she's shacking up with Steve in NY? Ha.
I would seriously have to wonder how long a 50-something year old man would put up with being treated the way Jon was. I can't imagine it being more than about 5 seconds. Maybe that's the fascination for Kreider. How many different ways can she try to get Neild under her control? She's really having to work at this!
PJ
Steve has seen Kate's good, bad and ugly. Why would he want to marry someone who can be ugly. And why in the world would he want marry a woman with eight children.
IMO given the nature of his job, he has to be away from home for long periods of time. If he were to marry Kate, why does she think Steve would be a stay-at-home father to take care of her kids. Did/does he stay home with his own two children. Nope, he's out earning a living.
I think Kate wants a trophy husband. Someone who looks good, whose in shape, knows his way around situations (cities, airports, etc.), has (maybe) money. Ten years ago Jon was the catch-of-day. Young good looking man with ties to his father's money. Kate has moved on, and kicked Jon to the curb. Kate now wants someone who is camera-ready and looks good on her arm. Oh, and don't forget, will take care of poor little Kate.
Hey all!
I just saw the ROL article and don't quite get the issue. First off it seems like BS. And secondly, I dont get why Jon would need to take off from work for six weeks (see unbelievable).
If the kids are in school all day he would only have them in the evening anyway. Hopefully he IS seeing them more. He is their dad and they need home too.
I, for one, dont believe that Steve and Kate have anything more than a working relationship.
Why would Steve do anything to harm his beautiful family for her?
I really hope Im right. Anyone that cheats on their family like that sucks as a human being.
I have no idea myself, Confused, but why would anyone leave their beautiful family for some woman? Yet it happens all the time. I don't know how men tick but I do know many of them can and will do just that, so that doesn't convince me it wouldn't happen at all.
Also restaurants are typically busiest at night so I imagine Jon would have to take a great deal of time off on short notice to watch the kids. Most working people are in no position to do such a thing. This is Kate's problem, not Jon's. He didn't ask her to leave town for six weeks. She could work a normal job like he does. That was on her and she is responsible for her custodial time just as he is responsible for his. He should not have to clean up her messes or bail her out anymore than she should him.
I wish that when Trump fires TCFW, he would point at her and say,
kate Krieder, Your Fired!
Here is how she would react: http://youtu.be/a1Y73sPHKxw
Poor Jon. Darn if you do, darn if you don't.
I am amazed at how he has dealt with all the stress from the kate machine. I am also amazed Jon hasn't gone totally off the deep end. He is like the energizer bunny. He keeps bouncing back. He keeps going and going and going.
I read a explanation of sin earlier today.
Sin is like a jail cell, all really comfy inside, cushy pillows, everything you want, do what you want, with the cell door wide open. You can leave anytime you want. But you stay. Then one day, to your surprise the cell door slams shut and locks itself. Then it is too late.
This is going to be kate one day and she is going to have to pay the piper and she won't be able to take money out of the kids accounts to pay for it either.
NJGal51 said:
and I saw the shadow of the magic lugie!
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Ohhhhhhhh hat tip for Seinfeld reference :)
Elaine: Went out to dinner with a successful attorney, had the lobster bisque, went back to my place, yada yada yada, never saw him again.
George: You yada yada'd the best part!
Elaine: No, I mentioned the lobster bisque.
LOL
Comment from Radar article:
“The only reason she’s even doing Celebrity Apprentice is to make and income to help raise her kids. Having eight children isn’t cheap!”
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How about she get a "real" everyday job. Her kids are in school all day long - she has absolutely no excuse as to why she can't be like the rest of us single moms, and get out there and work for a living. She's soooooooooooooooo lazy!
Furthermore, we've already determined that any money she earns doing CA is going straight to Steve's bank account, for his managerial services.
There is one difference between Steve and Kate: He will do many degrading things, as long as he's paid big money. Carry purses, walk ten feet behind his boss like a good little minion, play her pretend boyfriend, heck he'd probably clean her toilets for $1,600 a day. Hard work but the money is good.
What Kate wants more than money is to be on tv. She'll dip into her kid's savings accounts if it means five minutes on any lame tv show.
. In fact, she’s apparently looking for another ‘Jon and Kate Plus 8′ type show, except this time with Steve and her slightly more grown-up children.
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Wait - didn't we already see a preview or two of what that show would be like? I think those were two of the least popular of the entire series:
In one episode, Kate and her married boyfriend take the kids to Alaska, culminating in Kate threatening to disown the kids if they don't immediately stop having a good time camping.
In another episode, Kate and her cheating spouse of a bodyguard take the kids on an RV trip, wherein the bodyguard feels faint at the thought that his piece of pizza is not pristine and pure, and Kate explains he "doesn't eat salads!" Oh the humanity.
Yeah, I'm sure every network in town is lining up to sign these two losers to a show. ROFL.
Perhaps this might give us a hint of why the wanna be cop sticks around for all the humiliation, besides the money of course. It's possible he's narcissistic himself and thinks he can carry a tv show of his own.
Can you imagine what a clunker of a show it would be? Two completely unlikeable cold fish, sitting next to each other on the couch, while 8 miserable children shuffle around in the background, making sure they don't touch any of Steve's food. Oh yeah, I'm sure they'd get tens of viewers.
OT New book coming out today that looks interesting. ”Murdering My Youth” by Cady McClain. She its one of my all time favorite actresses, first on All My Children, and now she is on the Young and the Restless! She was a child actress and also endured family alcoholism, sexual abuse. Here is quote from her interview with Michael Logan on tvguide.com
”A child's innocence should never be for sale... It didn't really sink in until 2012 when I fully realized my parents had spent all of the money I made as a child actor, and it was a lot! ... I found out I had been paying the mortgage on our house and that my parents were taking salaries... Finding out the truth was essential to me.”
I don't have time to do any fun reading for few weeks. When I do, I will post report
Hummm, I guess TFW needed help paying for her, count 'em, 3 nannies and sold a story to RadarOnline - including the pug owner's pic and video, too. (that's what the sheeple would say Jon would do, right?) This whole thing stinks of a huge set-up.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/04/where-are-gosselin-children-while-kate-films-celebrity-apprentice-jon-gosselin-nannies
Also restaurants are typically busiest at night so I imagine Jon would have to take a great deal of time off on short notice to watch the kids. Most working people are in no position to do such a thing. This is Kate's problem, not Jon's.
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Playing Devil's Advocate- just recently, Jon was adamant that he wanted the tups with him, full time and insisted he could do it.
It just made me think that he's got a lot of flexibility in his schedule.
All of BW's cohosts on The View are uniting on one show. Is someone missing from this list?
http://www.scsuntimes.com/article/20140416/NEWS/304169981/10063/ENTERTAINMENT
http://www.scsuntimes.com/article/20140416/NEWS/304169981/10063/ENTERTAINMENT
LOL. If I was Gina I would keep checking my back knowing that Kate wants her out of her way. #Lifetime
Yes but Tucker that is something that would not happen over night. He would have time to arrange his schedule or childcare, even work it out with Liz, and make a viable long term plan. Kate dumping the kids on him suddenly for six weeks and expecting him to just be there during that time then disappear when she's back is not the same thing. Few employers are going to be able to be flexible to that.
Rhymes with Witch said... 40
All of BW's cohosts on The View are uniting on one show. Is someone missing from this list?
http://www.scsuntimes.com/article/20140416/NEWS/304169981/10063/ENTERTAINMENT
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Kate was never a cohost. I was always surprised that they invited her back a second and third time to cohost because she really sucked.
It was always "blah blah blah, set the record straight, throw Jon under the bus..." and then.. nothing.
Nada.
Zero contribution.
She just sat there like a lump on a log.
If Jon had access to the Children's house it would be much easier for him to provide additional parenting time and cut down on paying nannies. He could sleep there after he got off work and take them to the bus in the morning. This "drop off/pick up at the gate" thing is a huge problem in many ways.
"Chrisley Knows Best," USA's reality show, just got picked up for a second season. With every new deal, TFW slips further and further
away from the public consciousness. It seems clear she'll continue
to make a few bucks on these one-off shows, who will hire her for
the trainwreck factor. But her glory days are behind her.
I thought Jon said one of his last interviews that he doesn't work at the restaurant anymore and that he was going back to IT. I think it was when he saying he was going to take Kate back to court for custody. I truly don't follow this all that close ...perhaps thats why I'm confused. Lol
Sorry for all the typos but I'm on my phone :)
I really do hope Jon is getting to spend more time with the kiddos. They need him (not home as above. Haha) too.
I often wonder when a sheeple calls in a story to ROL and says that they have inside info, does ROL vet these people or just take their word for it? Heaven knows that the sheeple, including the Chief Ewe, has never even met her, so the assertion that they have inside info is erroneous. We know that they just make up things as they go, and that they really have no knowledge of how often he sees the kids. They can't even understand the laws of child custody.
So if these insiders just downright lie to sell stories to get back at Jon (and there are vicious Jon haters among them), isn't this a huge set-up for a libel suit? I know such things cost money, but if Jon ever got angry enough, I would think that he'd have a case. I think that it's a lawsuit just waiting to happen, and these so-called insiders better make sure they have "facts" to back up their stories. I remember when the Chief One was putting out stories that there was a restraining order against Jon and that he stole groceries from Kate's kitchen. These are pretty serious allegations and so far they've gotten away with it, but I think I'd be darn careful about what I put out there. Sheep aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. Yes, they are tools, but not exactly the ones you'd want to use to accomplish any task.
I have long believed that the gradual integration of Steve in Kate Plus 8 was deliberate, a test, and it obviously failed with drawing in viewers. But Kate is a plotter and is relentless in getting back on TV, loves the money, and does want Steve. The fact that Steve has not divorced Gina proves he has ZERO intention of marrying the bitch. In fact, I bet Kate is responsible for many of the tabloid stories about him being her boyfriend. That sure would cause stress for Gina, right? For whatever reason, money, a business alliance or a threat to expose his indiscretions with Kate, he has made the decision to stick around. But marry her? Not a chance.
I just read the InTouch article in the store today. In it, Jon says that Steve's marriage is a sham. The cast and crew of CA are positive there's something going on. At a time there was a break in filming, and a bodyguard would have been "off," Steve was still with TFW. He was approached by a reporter asking questions and said something to the effect of, "I don't have to talk to you."
CC, GKD or anyone else on twitter - Would you please point out to the sheeple on twitter that the salary that the "celebs" get on CA is minimal because they're doing it all for their charity...and to try to revive their careers. They will not get a job from Trump if they win. Their charity will benefit and all they can hope is that they may get another gig out of this. TFW did not take this to support her kids but rather to get her mug on TV again.
Now I'm really lost. Why would Jon owe rent in New York?
Lisa Adcox @poorbabi 1m
@RealZiggyFlo @Kateplusmy8 regardless if he still owes rent n NY.He still tries to cause trouble everytime Kate has something good going on.
Of course he does. He had her fired from CC; he's the one who nixed the Twist of Kate thing; he was responsible for the failure of the cookbook; he saw to it that her kids clothing line was dumped overseas, and on and on. Each time it was Jon's fault. Amazing how much power he has, isn't it?
Gosh these stupid people make me sick, and this is one of the dumbest.
If Jon had access to the Children's house it would be much easier for him to provide additional parenting time and cut down on paying nannies.
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As much as I don't like anything about Kate, I have to disagree with your post about Jon basically living in the house. Think about it, if you were divorced, would you want your ex in your house where he could go thru all your personal info,stuff, etc while you were gone. I know I would not want that. When I was in the middle of my divorce, my ex broke into my house (I say mine because I bought it and made all the payments on EVERYTHING - not just the house, plus he had already moved all of his stuff out). He and his mother made a list of everything...jewelry, lamps, sheets, pictures, etc. He went thru all my papers, etc. I felt totally violated. I can't imagine having him live there every so often doing the same thing.
How would Jon know the Neild marriage is a sham?
Maybe the CA cast and crew will reveal what they have witnessed?
RealZiggyFlo @RealZiggyFlo 5m
@poorbabi @Kateplusmy8 Exactly - if I didn't recall the correct place he lived then my mistake - but he still owes unpaid rent.
How does Zigfuss knows that he owes rent? Where did this come from?
Wait! I'm confused. TFW has to hire nannies to watch her children? A. I didn't think she used nannies (which would be a shame cuz I bet any other celebrity would say they have favored nannies that watch the kids when they are busy with work or out of town, but anyway...)
B. Don't those poor kids have grandparents? Family? Jon and Kate traveled (together even!) during Jon and Kate plus 8. (hair plugs anyone?) and were able to do that. Why? Friends and family. Huh. Friends and family stepped in to help them. To keep the children at their house. Even overnight! Even if they already had a bunch of kids themselves! Why would she be in the sad position of having no one able to help her out now? Oh, right! That show thing that was so fabulous for her children. That had no negative impact on their lives at all. Right.
And having daddy there makes it even easier! Daddy could take them when he is not at work, and family could watch them for him when he is working. Maybe even pay the family for childcare (at a discount, of course, cuz its family) or offer to help that family with some service of some sort. Trade babysitting. Cousins get to play with cousins. It's a perfect arrangement.
There'd be no reason not to break up the childcare duties during this time like that. Unless, of course, you were a manipulative evil person bent on using your children as a pawn for your family to do what you want them to do and them severing the relationship with them when they don't, and hell bent on doing whatever it takes to keep your kids from their father least the kids start talking about what really goes on in your home.
Oh, wait....yeah.
As much as I don't like anything about Kate, I have to disagree with your post about Jon basically living in the house. Think about it, if you were divorced, would you want your ex in your house where he could go thru all your personal info,stuff, etc while you were gone. I know I would not want that. When I was in the middle of my divorce, my ex broke into my house (I say mine because I bought it and made all the payments on EVERYTHING - not just the house, plus he had already moved all of his stuff out). He and his mother made a list of everything...jewelry, lamps, sheets, pictures, etc. He went thru all my papers, etc. I felt totally violated. I can't imagine having him live there every so often doing the same thing.
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She has a lock on her bedroom door. Even if the divorce had been amicable, if he were to stay with the kids at their house for any length of time, all personal info could be stored in there, I would think.
Oh puhleeze! Ratclaws is as exciting as watching paint dry. The draw was that biotch and Jon. Jon is a lot of things, but he has more camera presence than that boooring man.
CC, GKD or anyone else on twitter - Would you please point out to the sheeple on twitter that the salary that the "celebs" get on CA is minimal because they're doing it all for their charity...and to try to revive their careers. They will not get a job from Trump if they win. Their charity will benefit and all they can hope is that they may get another gig out of this. TFW did not take this to support her kids but rather to get her mug on TV again.
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Any money she makes from that show will be gone in a flash. How much better to go back to nursing where she has a regular paycheck. We know that her excuse has been that then she'd just be working to pay the sitters, and this is just not true, especially now that the kids are in school five days a week, nine hours a day. A sitter in the evening for maybe an hour or so is not, in any way, going to require the annual salary that a nurse could make.
Has anyone ever pointed this out to the sheeple, or would it be futile because they just couldn't understand the logic of it, or figure out the math?
Confused said... 36
Hey all!
I just saw the ROL article and don't quite get the issue. First off it seems like BS. And secondly, I dont get why Jon would need to take off from work for six weeks (see unbelievable).
If the kids are in school all day he would only have them in the evening anyway. Hopefully he IS seeing them more. He is their dad and they need home too.
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One of the big issues in the child custody arrangements between Jon and Kate is that early on, she was able to get primary custody, with Jon being given much less than 50% custodial time. She was allowed to make decisions and override his wishes. At the same time, she would, without warning, tell Jon she was going to be gone and basically claim he needed to take the kids. Even worse, she at times would take the kids somewhere for filming and basically thumb her nose at his custodial time.
As Admin pointed out earlier, Jon is working at a restaurant, with their primary business hours being the evening hours. So his options would be: hire a babysitter for every night he has to work, or tell his employer he won't be able to keep his work schedule for six weeks. And miss out on six weeks of pay, plus risk his employer saying "I need someone here. If you can't do it, I'll find someone who can."
Finally, there is a reason that sticking to the agreed upon custody order is so important. Consistency. Stability. For the kids. So they know where they will be each day of the week, instead of at the whim of one parent or another. Children need stability. They need a routine with only the occasional unplanned changes.
In any divorce, keeping to the custody agreement is important. But it's crucial when the divorce has been bitter, and when there are still negative feelings on one side or the other. Children have no say in whether their parents stay together or get divorced; whether their mom or dad will behave maturely; or whether they will like any new partners that come into their parents' lives. But one would hope that the children could at least count on both parents sticking to the custody arrangements, so that the children would know what was going on and what to expect.
It seems like the success from Celebrity Apprentice has gone to her head already, especially since sources say that she’s trying to land herself another reality show –
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Isn't just about everything she does because she is trying to get another show?
It was kind of interesting in the final Kate + 8 episode....Steve was doing couch interviews. How many security guards get roped into that? I always thought that was part of trying to get Steve be part of the show...gradual acceptance into the family/show kind of deal.
Isn't there a professional etiquette against being part of the story? Just guard the client, for pete's sake. Stop trying to make a name for yourself.
I still think that he and TFW thought the two of them would be the shining stars and have some kind of show together. TFW severely mis-judged how disliked she is publicly and professionally.
FYI to KK and friends:
Child Actors Who Dies Young:
http://www.ranker.com/list/30-child-actors-who-died-young/celebrity-lists?utm_source=outbrain&utm_medium=paid&utm_content=3.5&utm_campaign=DirectDesktopSSFebOngoing3.5
14 Celebrities Whose Children Committed Suicide
http://www.ranker.com/list/deaths-children-of-famous-parents-who-commited-suicide-/notable-famous-deaths?ref=rltdlsts&pos=1&a=25
Admin, I agree with your description, "she's a raging parental alienator." So true, so true. Jon should always listen to his lawyer. It doesn't matter what he does, TFW will always try to make him look like the bad parent. Does anyone ever wonder if the love disappeared when Jon's successful professional father died? It has been said that Dr. Gosselin helped them a lot financially. If the motives behind the marriage were not pure in the first place, that could explain what has happened throughout the years. First time I have expressed this, but have felt it for a long time. I have just profiled a "user."
There's a heartbreaking quote from a beautiful movie called Legends of the Fall where Brad Pitt says of his parents living separately, "I think they loved mostly the idea of each other."
I've thought that Kate liked the idea of Jon. The Asian babies, the doctor's son, someone she could push around who was willing to go along with whatever she wanted. Do I believe she truly loved him? Not really. I don't believe narcissists experience love the way normal people do. They experience agendas.
What is left for TFW? She did Dancing with the Stars a few years ago, did Celebrity Wife Swap last year and is now doing Celebrity Apprentice. I can't think of any other reality shows that cater to D-listers as most of them have already run their course and been cancelled.
The celebrity relationship genre has played out with Jessica Simpson, Flavor Flav, Christopher Knight, Whitney Houston, etc. She's much too old to be a Bachelorette. No offense, but does anyone really want to see a bunch of 45-50 year old men in the middle of their mid-life crisis trying to score with a middle-aged plastic Barbie?
The family reality TV has been done with J&K+8, the Duggars, the Little People, Family Jewels, and the Kardashians. There isn't much left and people want to be surprised. TFW isn't going to surprise anyone and hopefully the TV producers know that.
TFW is living off the earnings accumulated while her kids were working. The spots on CA, CWS, the Gosselin update show, and People Magazine aren't going to be a stable source of income. She doesn't have the talent to be a TV host. She will eventually have to do what a multitude of other one-hit wonders have done: get a real job.
I hate that her kids are the ones who have to suffer during all this by being alienated from their father and neglected by their mother during their formative years. They are not going to look back on their childhoods fondly.
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@evolutionofaman did u see kate gosselin?
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@NoMas3781 Nope...just those three. I was so confused until I realized why they were together. Lol
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RealZiggyFlo @RealZiggyFlo 5m
@poorbabi @Kateplusmy8 Exactly - if I didn't recall the correct place he lived then my mistake - but he still owes unpaid rent.
How does Zigfuss knows that he owes rent? Where did this come from?
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Court info for Pennsylvania is public and easy to find. You can check if anyone had civil cases against them, landlord tenant cases, criminal charges, non-traffic citations and traffic tickets. Jon has no landlord tenant cases on his record. In fact, his total record consists of a parking meter ticket, a ticket for expired registration and vehicle inspection out of date and *one* speeding ticket in 2009.
scales of justice said... 73
Somewhere In Time said... 60
RealZiggyFlo @RealZiggyFlo 5m
@poorbabi @Kateplusmy8 Exactly - if I didn't recall the correct place he lived then my mistake - but he still owes unpaid rent.
How does Zigfuss knows that he owes rent? Where did this come from?
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Court info for Pennsylvania is public and easy to find. You can check if anyone had civil cases against them, landlord tenant cases, criminal charges, non-traffic citations and traffic tickets. Jon has no landlord tenant cases on his record. In fact, his total record consists of a parking meter ticket, a ticket for expired registration and vehicle inspection out of date and *one* speeding ticket in 2009.
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She's not talking about PA:
RealZiggyFlo @RealZiggyFlo 3h
@realDonaldTrump @MY_2BCOLLIES @Kateplusmy8 Did Jon pay up his rent from when he lived at Trump Towers? Rumors are he didn't.
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I think I saw a shadow, and heard her being interviewed. ;)
TLC stinks said... 54
I have long believed that the gradual integration of Steve in Kate Plus 8 was deliberate, a test, and it obviously failed with drawing in viewers
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NO DOUBT it was a test balloon. WTF? A "security" person going public?
That flushing sound is the sound of your "security" career going down the turlet.
localyocul said... 74
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After getting the "Trump Towers" question wrong on her final exam, that particular Eweniversity student admitted she may have been wrong about the location.
PatK said... 75
I think I saw a shadow, and heard her being interviewed. ;)
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Ha ha, PatK! And it was stomping its cloven hoof.
CC, GKD or anyone else on twitter - Would you please point out to the sheeple on twitter that the salary that the "celebs" get on CA is minimal because they're doing it all for their charity...and to try to revive their careers. They will not get a job from Trump if they win. Their charity will benefit and all they can hope is that they may get another gig out of this. TFW did not take this to support her kids but rather to get her mug on TV again.
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From Reality Tea 12/13/2011...
"When asked about Nene’s claims of wealth via Donald, Trump Jr. told Wetpaint, “Honestly, I have no idea.” He continued, “All the celebrities on the show play for charity. She received a small appearance fee, sure, but that was it.” ...
"So just how much did Nene earn on Celebrity Apprentice? Well that exact amount is unknown but Piers Morgan, who won the 1st season of the show back in 2008, revealed he and his castmates only received about $25,000 each to do the show."
Dear Six Fans of TFW:
Happy Jon Bashing Day! It seems to
come earlier every year!
No pictures, no proof.
No proof, no story.
Kindest regards,
FlimsyFlamsy
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localyocul said... 74
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After getting the "Trump Towers" question wrong on her final exam, that particular Eweniversity student admitted she may have been wrong about the location.
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Aww, that's too baaaaaaaaaa d
Ha ha ha! Love Auntie's ewe-niversity!
After getting the "Trump Towers" question wrong on her final exam, that particular Eweniversity student admitted she may have been wrong about the location.
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LOL!! And are these the same "insider" sheeple who contact Radar and other tabs with "facts?" Didn't they contact them yet with the Shadow Proof?
You can't make this stuff up. It's better than a television soap. The thing is that it's so ridiculous but they are too dumb to know that it's hilarious. That's what is so creepy -- that these people are allowed to run loose on the internet (and probably in the outside world, too).
While I would love to jump onto twitter & beat my head against the sheeple wall to kill some time, I just don't have the time or energy to deal with the epic stupidity. LoL
anyone who reads my twitter probably already knows this, but my gramma suffers from Alzheimers & dementia. She lives with my mom & a few weeks ago while visiting my aunt (her youngest daughter) she took a fall. She's in a rehab hospital for about the next 5-6 weeks. Because her Alzheimers is getting worse & worse, my aunt (youngest daughter again) & uncle are moving in with my mom also. So mom just bought a new house. 7 bedrooms/5 baths/2 full kitchens. She closes this week, so my days have been spent helping pack at her house & nights spent trying to run my own house. Which means I'm trashing my basement to bring in new stuff from mom's house that she's not moving. Last week I got rid of a pit group (couch/loveseat/chaise) & a desk. This week I've dumped a china hutch and a table & chairs. I've also been running up to my aunt's house to help her too (I'm getting an antique black walnut desk from her!!!!!!)
And in the middle of all this, my kiddo is about to graduate from college & is starting to do job interviews. So he's a nervous wreck (translation: a moody asshole teenager! but I still love the little jerkwad!). He's traveling to Texas next week for an interview. it's his first time to fly, first time to travel alone, first REALLY big interview. Thank goodness he's staying with family in Houston & I can be a nosey mom & keep tabs on him. the little shit is going to turn 20, graduate & leave home all at once. I'm gonna need a Xanax please! lol But I remind myself, this is what I've spent the last 20 years working towards. For him to fly where HE wants to go...to do what HE wants to do. Once that is done, then my years of fun will begin. Right now, I'm still on the job making sure he's prepared to fly.
so now I'm off to finish taping off woodwork in the basement to paint an accent wall. Well, to start by repairing all the dart holes around where kiddo's dartboard was & then paint an accent wall. Anyone need a foozball table? lol
I thought Jon said one of his last interviews that he doesn't work at the restaurant anymore and that he was going back to IT.
I don't recall him saying that's something he already did, iirc, he said he 'could' always go back to IT if he needed the money/schedule re: having full custody.
Sheeple are so verhuddled (good PA Dutch word). What do they do in the case of a tabloid such as ROL when a story is printed that portrays both Jon and Kate in a negative light? Do they dismiss the story saying that it's all nasty and untrue, or is it a trashy internet publication when Kate is bashed and Jon is shown to be the good guy? How do they pick it apart? Seems they would have a dilemma because the one sheeple missing her D says 99.9 percent of everything printed is untrue, so does this mean that in a story that shows Kate to be the struggling victim in all of this is false? When Jon is bashed and thrown under the bus in a story does that likewise mean that it's not true because, according to the sheeple, 99.9 percent is false?
It appears that the Kate-lovers write their own rules for everything. Is there a sheeple handbook or guide to Perfect Sheeple-ing? If one completes the course, does that mean he/she is awarded a Mater Degree in Bleating? Is the ceremony held in the pasture or barnyard, or does it depend on the season and weather?
The thing that's quite funny is that the more they bring up Jon and make wild and irrelevant accusations about him the more it just looks like desperate deflection. Talking about someone's rent from five years ago, rent that I'm sure a landlord is well capable of taking care of? Good grief. They just don't understand this obsession with Jon does not make Kate look better. It does not "help" Kate. That's not how it works. They aren't inversely related! All it does is make them look like nut jobs and man eaters.
For him to fly where HE wants to go...to do what HE wants to do. Once that is done, then my years of fun will begin. Right now, I'm still on the job making sure he's prepared to fly.
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Don't forget to use FlightAware, thanks to the son of one of the posters here! It's been a godsend! ;-)
But isn't life really the best when you're busy? :-)
Admin, you are reading my mind. TFW had an "agenda" and still has one. Maybe she just doesn't even know she doesn't know, but through the years she has made herself look so horrible. It isn't about the physical appearance. I am speaking about the way she has used others and dropped them like hot cakes when they are used up. That garbage we have been fed about "doesn't know how to help us." I call that b.s. Who says that anyway? Help is help! One of the most disturbing things about this saga and the people in it is the total lack of appreciation and respect for all who have helped. Can we even imagine the cash from love offerings deposited (tax free) in to their bank accounts? The grifting became ugly and continues to this day. I feel sorry for the eight children because they are still not allowed to be normal kids, doing normal things. They are kept on the compound like a pack being kept behind the iron gate. How is that healthy for their future in this world? Where are the sports, scouts, music lessons, dance, etc. that children who have made millions and supported their family deserve? Those kids were the draw; not their overdone mother and sad father.
How is this any different from you and your posters talking about things that Kate did not only five, but TEN years ago?
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Jon has nothing to do with Celebrity Apprentice. He hasn't said a peep about it, and hasn't inserted himself into the public eye once about it. That quote they used from him was ancient. Do you get now why it's weird and creepy to keep bringing him up when he has shown he is not a part of this? It makes them look like man haters and obsessed.
When I talk about Kate, it's not to make Jon look "better." One has nothing to do with the other. There has not been a time when Kate has been quiet and out of the public eye. When there is, I will happily refrain from bringing her up when she has nothing to do with the conversation, just like Jon has nothing to do with Kate and CA. Nothing.
Kate was never a cohost. I was always surprised that they invited her back a second and third time to cohost because she really sucked. 49
I hope everyone realized that I was being sarcastic.
On the other hand, I'm surprised that the sheeple haven't run with the rumor that she'll be taking over BW's chair.......
How is this any different from you and your posters talking about things that Kate did not only five, but TEN years ago? 90
You mean beating the crap out of her toddlers for behaving like toddlers?
Or grifting CASH ONLY from kind Christians by telling lies about searching for coins in the couch to pay a utility bill?
I could go on but it's all been documented.
Agree Millicent with your comments on visitation.
There are many times where a very flexible visitation schedule is just fine. You might not even really specify what it is, you just work it out week to week. That's because the parents get along, work well together, and have no problem deviating from the schedule. It is give and take. It's also often when the children are much older, the late teens, and can work out for themselves when they're going to see each parent. The key is one parent can't be messing around with the visitation schedule in a manner that is selfish, unfair or manipulative.
With parents who don't get along, this kind of flexibility rarely works, because invariable one or both parents is being selfish, unfair and manipulative. And that's when you tell your client nope, no ifs ands or buts. I don't care if the children are screaming and crying for you, your job is to the follow the visitation schedule down to the minute and not permit any deviations. Even if your children are left with babysitters.
It may sound like a harsh rule, but it avoids much worse heartache later. Once you go down the path of it's okay to let my ex just dump the children on me whenever the mood strikes, problems ensue. Especially for those paying child support, but for anyone.
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Best wishes to you and your son. I.hope he soars when he spreads his wings.
What a bunch of crap! Sure blame Jon for everything, just cause he did not want to do JK8 anymore. Now because her royal a-holeness, decides to do a TV show that lasts at the most 6 weeks, Jon gets blamed for not taking the kids for the 6 weeks. Not considering that Kate does NOT tell Jon anything, about what she does, has instructed with fear to the kids, that if they tell their father what is going on, they will be punished. Just like Kate does not tell the kids anything till the last minute(the RV episode, CWS). So Jon gets blamed for something he did not know about, just heard rumors like the rest of us have.
Kate wanted to do CA, then she should fork out for nannies. Jon should not pay for any nanny. And Jon does not have to take the kids for 6 weeks either, the only thing he has to do is spend his normal custody time with his kids, no more, no less. Most ex's would not do more than, what the custody, is set up. They would tell the ex too bad, your problem.
If Kate had been nice to Jon, had a desent divorce, perhaps Jon would have agreed to take care of the kids, while she did CA or any other project/gig. But, NO! Kate had to be a bitch/a-hole! Wanting to control everything for herself, including the kids. Everything is a secret!
What does Kate say: You got what you wanted, don't complain! TS Kate! live with it! JMO
Yes I wish we would just let the child abuse go. Time to move on.
I think that's a tad bit different than blabbing on about rent from five years ago. Just a tad. Who the F cares about that? And, link please? Did the landlord go on record?
Most of Kate's behavior continues. Does Jon owe rent on his current place? Not that we know of. Then I don't care. Actually I don't care either way.
I took a glance at Jon's docket last year. He does indeed have an extensive criminal history of like two parking tickets. I never posted it because, well, I'm not interested in rubbing it in the sheeple's faces that his driving record is benign and nothing like Kate's. I just don't care what they think or care about convincing them that we're right. Yet they are hellbent, just HELLBENT, on their agenda. Their only purpose to me is my own amusement.
What a bunch of crap! Sure blame Jon for everything, just cause he did not want to do JK8 anymore
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Well that's the thing. What this really comes down to is that Kate knows deep down that the hook of the show was not Jon, not Kate, and not the cute kids. There were a dozen shows about a mom, dad and cute kids that never really made it. The hook that made this show have the "it factor" was Jon and Kate together. Jon is 50% of that. Kate was 50% of that. Kate wants to think she was 100%. She was not. She doesn't want to give him the satisfaction of knowing that the show was done for once he left. Oh it sputtered along on life support for a bit after he left but it was never the same. And she knows it deep down, and she will never, ever forgive him for it. She would never admit it, but the truth is if she could go back to that time where the two of them were on the show together, making their millions and rolling along and everything was great, she would do it in a heartbeat. An absolute heartbeat. And I think she hates that that is the fact of the matter. She wishes she didn't need Jon. She wishes she didn't need anyone but herself. But she did need him, and without him, she's nothing but an ex reality star who shows up from time to time on other shows as a gimmick, a one trick pony. And the same goes for him, he can't make much of a go on his own either, however he is normal and comfortable with that fact, and has long moved on and found new love, as most normal people would.
Sarah Allen @sarahallen143 30m
Kate Gosselin is a superhero
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Well, she does have Wonder Woman's bazoombas!
Also I should add that I got a pretty fair sense turing Couples Therapy that we were moving towards most of the posters here being quite frustrated and disappointed in Jon, especially after his stint on CT. I think it's fair to say most people don't like Jon much anymore. There will always be posters willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and more open to his choices because they feel he has earned that treatment, but that's not the same as being in a position. I kept an open mind and watched CT from beginning to end, and at the end of the show, my opinion is he shouldn't have done it. No not all moments were terrible and I liked some of the cast members, but overall I think it was not a good choice and joined the camp of those disappointed in him.
I do not believe there are true "Jon fans" here anymore, or if there are, there are just a few of them. I am no Jon fan. I respect him as their father, I believe strongly in his right to be their father and not have that disrupted by a parental alienator, and I think he is the best hope those kids have, but that doesn't make me a fan. You can respect someone's rights without liking them.
So to say people here rag on Kate to make Jon look better is pretty ludicrous. Folks here don't even like him, so why would they be doing that?
Oh anonymous, now you're the one being silly. Kate was in the public eye throughout Jon's stint in Couples Therapy. That's why she was talked about. This isn't a difficult concept.
For example at exactly the same time that Couples Therapy aired, Kate was parading the twins on the View. Kate's sister Kendra also spoke out about Kate during that time. In addition, Kate paraded the twins on People and did an entire interview. All during Couples Therapy. She was also tweeting the whole time, her usual twitter garbage. So yes, she was talked about.
Read the blog archives.
So according to you, even though Kate was prancing around in the public eye the entire time Jon was on Couple's Therapy, anything we said about Kate was just an attempt to make Jon look better? That's ridiculous especially when you read all the comments about what a fool he was being on that show.
Jon is not in the public eye when Kate is on CA. Kate was in the public eye every moment of when Jon was on CT. You cannot say the two situations are the same. They aren't.
The difference is the posters here evaluate Jon and Kate independently. We do not treat them as inverse to each other, or use one or the other to make the other look worse. That is how people who don't know how to win an argument like a gentleman play. It's called deflection, and we don't win arguments that way.
@Snotty_Girl: I wish @realDonaldTrump would buy the internet & ban all @Kateplusmy8 haters! 5mins & they'd shrink up like he threw a bucket of H2O on them========Teheheheheheheheh! Pardon my mirth. And to think she actually included DT on the tweet.
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GKD - Sorry to hear about your grandma.
I was totally in Jon's camp whTien he was on J and K +8. I wished I had a hubby who helped out as much as he did and I thought K8 treated him horrible. Then, during the divorce I was totally frustrated with his poor choices that allowed the bitch to get sympathy. THEN he was on Twitter, said he wouldn't talk about his wife or kids, seemed like a nice guy, I was back in his camp. THEN he was on CT and I was frustrated with him for the same reason I was in 2009 or so. THEN he didn't follow through (as far as we can tell) with certain things he said he would do. At this point, I can't trust either of them as far as I can throw them. And I am a 110 pound weekling.
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@Snotty_Girl: I wish @realDonaldTrump would buy the internet & ban all @Kateplusmy8 haters! 5mins & they'd shrink up like he threw a bucket of H2O on them. 101
YES! The Donald is so enamoured of Katie that he'd scour the internet to rid it of her "haters."
You really CAN'T make this stuff up.
I'm seriously amazed that people are still saying Kate could go back to nursing. That ship has sailed. She will never lower herself to doing that. Her skills, such as they were, are gone. Sure, she could make some money but it ain't happening.
Dear very dumb sheep,
The internet is not for sale. If it was, DT would have already tried to buy it. He can't shut up his haters but you all think he'd give a shit about Kate's haters? He's counting on us to watch his show and LAUGH AT HER. 6 delusional sheep don't count in the big picture.
Every time you bring up Jon you look completely desperate. It's quite pathetic.
I respect him as their father, I believe strongly in his right to be their father and not have that disrupted by a parental alienator, and I think he is the best hope those kids have, but that doesn't make me a fan.
And there you have it. Succinctly put. Agree.
Localyocal102.....agree with you, too. Exactly.
I want to be a Jon fan, but it's hard to get there sometimes.
They may just be the final 3. Leeza tweeted something the other day about letting go so my guess was that she was fired.
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It seems too soon for it to be down to the final, which would be only 2 contestants left (being helped by other fired contestants). I think they might be down to the last 5 or 6 players, with the remaining two teams the result of another Trump reshuffle. Isn't there usually a 2-person elimination to get down to the two finalists?
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Localyocal102.....agree with you, too. Exactly.
I want to be a Jon fan, but it's hard to get there sometimes.
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Thanks Mel. I think we all want at least ONE parent to put their kids first. I feel for them so much
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Dear very dumb sheep,
He's counting on us to watch his show and LAUGH AT HER. 6 delusional sheep don't count in the big picture.
Every time you bring up Jon you look completely desperate. It's quite pathetic.
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Haha, yes the Donald didn't bring Kate on board because he respects her and thinks she's a classy dame. He brought her on because she's a trainwreck hasbeen of Gary Busey stature. Today they are fawning over DT and kissing his ring, but come October when he makes a fool out of Kate they'll hate him too.
You are also correct about the sheeple being desperate. They are. The Titanic is sinking and the rats are running for high ground. When all else fails, call Radar and make up a story about Jon. So lame.
Yeah I can't wait for the sheep to see the actual show and see that she's going to look like a fool.
Most of the candidates are on for the fool factor. They only throw in four or five actual real talents who deserve to make it to the end. Kate ain't in that group.
@Snotty_Girl: I wish @realDonaldTrump would buy the internet & ban all @Kateplusmy8 haters! 5mins & they'd shrink up like he threw a bucket of H2O on them. 101======= Trump can not stand Kate he just used her for his show. These Kate fans are mental in the head they think no one can talk about Kate. She's a big mouthed bitch no one likes get over it mental fans.
I don't care if the children are screaming and crying for you, your job is to the follow the visitation schedule down to the minute and not permit any deviations. Even if your children are left with babysitters.
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I must butt in here. This is just so wrong, imo. I would never, EVER leave my children SCREAMING and CRYING for me. Nope. Would not do it. And I would hope other parents feel the same. Custody isn't a game with rules, at least not for me. I take my kids every chance I get to hell with the ex. He wants to 'dump' the kids on me? Great! Thank you very much. I take them anytime and every time. The end.
THEN he didn't follow through (as far as we can tell) with certain things he said he would do.
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Yeah, though I'm not and never will be comfortable saying he hasn't followed through. I don't know what he has or hasn't done. Especially since as a lawyer, I know there there are hundreds of conversations about what parents want as to their children and many things that are done for them to get them what they desire, that never make it to the public record or result in changes in custody. I would find it very unfair if an outsider is judging what that parent did or didn't do based on what is actually going on as to the children. In other words, just because a mother has custody in the end, does not prove a father didn't bend over backwards to fight for it and did everything he possibly could legally.
That said, I completely agree that in general, Jon is a lot of talk. I hate when he runs his mouth. He is all over the place and makes a lot of promises. I have said many times there are do-ers and talkers, and Jon is clearly a talker. Talkers like to just talk a heck of a lot about what they are going to do, want to do, how they feel and think. They might follow through with only a fraction of what they said. I think these people often just like the idea of what they are saying and not willing to buckle down and really do it when push comes to shove.
Do-ers don't talk at all or if they do they consider that a contract with themselves and if they said it, they will DO IT.
I have very few talker friends. Actually, none. I don't have the patience for it and I don't have the patience for Jon. I wish him the best though and will always support his right to parent his children free of this obsessed alienation. I don't have to like the parent to believe in their parental rights.
Off topic again, but the boardroom in Season 2 Episode 9 of Apprentice UK was the most epic boardroom I have ever seen of all the the boardrooms ever. And it was a sword fight fought like gentlemen.
I know a few bits and pieces have been posted from the piece that Penn Jillette wrote about his experience on Celebrity Apprentice, but I thought I would give the link to the entire on article. It's a very insightful and interesting perspective about the desperate nature of the celebrity ego that is well worth the long read. Maybe even worth a new post admin?
Here's a little quote to pique your interest:
" It’s venal people clawing at stupid, soulless shit in front of the modern-day Scrooge McDuck in order to stay famous."
And here's one from past CA finalist Annie Duke:
“It’s a pretend game, about pretend business, where you get pretend fired.”
You can read the entire article here:
http://www.salon.com/2012/11/17/penn_jillettes_secrets_of_celebrity_apprentice_donald_trump_is_a_whackjob/
Apologies if this link has been posted before.
Custody isn't a game with rules, at least not for me. I take my kids every chance I get to hell with the ex. He wants to 'dump' the kids on me? Great! Thank you very much. I take them anytime and every time. The end.
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Oh that absolutely works for most families, don't get me wrong. In most cases, you can take the children without issue.
But all family law attorneys I know will advise those dealing with bitter custody battles and parental alienation as here, not to do. I do the same.
It's a case of short term versus long term. Short term, the child won't cry. Long term, the child will be miserable, unhappy, confused, anxious, when you mess up their schedule like that.
Fortunately, it is not too often such advice must be given, as most families are eventually able to get along--but it happens frequently enough to say it's not rare by any means. What Jon's dealing with is not our first rodeo.
Admin, did you say, Yes I wish we would just let the child abuse go. Time to move on. Or, quoting someone else's post. It is hard to tell unless there is a line of some kind under it.
RealZiggyFlo @RealZiggyFlo 8h
@MY_2BCOLLIES @Kateplusmy8 Jon doesn't pay a dime to support the kids but tries attacks every money earning endeavor Kate does.
I want to hear the answer to this: In what way did Jon contribute to the demise of Kate's cookbook? What did he do that the sales tanked? Coupons By Kate has gone nowhere. How has Jon attacked that site?
This better be good...
Custody isn't a game with rules, at least not for me. I take my kids every chance I get to hell with the ex. He wants to 'dump' the kids on me? Great! Thank you very much. I take them anytime and every time. The end.
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AMEN. Do people actually think like that? That their kids are getting 'dumped' on them? Wouldn't any loving parent WANT their kids to be 'dumped' on them?
I, too, wouldn't ever leave my kids crying for me. I don't understand this. Kids should always come first, no matter what.
It's a case of short term versus long term. Short term, the child won't cry. Long term, the child will be miserable, unhappy, confused, anxious, when you mess up their schedule like that.
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How is the child left miserable, unhappy, confused and anxious when you take care of them over leaving them with a babysitter? Isn't it the other way around? Are you suggesting that a parent SHOULD leave them with a babysitter rather than accept the extra days because you don't want the other parent to 'win'? I'm not understanding your logic.
Who cares if they are 'dumped' on you or not? They're your KIDS. TAKE THEM and thank god your ex did 'dump' them on you. What kind of parent wouldn't want the extra time?
But all family law attorneys I know will advise those dealing with bitter custody battles and parental alienation as here, not to do. I do the same.
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This is bad advice. One should always take your kids when offered. Unless of course you're keeping score. WTH?
It's a case of short term versus long term. Short term, the child won't cry. Long term, the child will be miserable, unhappy, confused, anxious, when you mess up their schedule like that.
Are you saying to leave them with the babysitter rather than look after them? Really? And this helps the kids long term how?
Jon should be thanking his lucky stars he gets more custody time. What loving parent wouldn't want that? He has family who can help him when he works.
Are you telling Jon he should leave them with Kate's nanny?
Call Me Crazy - The only reason I think they may already be down to the final 3 is because the show is only going to be an hour this year vice two hours and they don't need as much footage. It seems like they've been doing more tasks in a shorter period of time. I probably am wrong but it was just a thought.
@S_a_r_a_h_____: @LakeRat2014 - it is really sad. I posted it bc she should really get some credit for making such sweet kids. #GoodParenting
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OK so here is Sarah's reason for posting the picture and video. I've got an English Bulldog and people of all ages flock to him because bulldogs just attract attention. When kids are patting him I have never once thought "WOW! What awesome kids these parents made." Nor have I ever thought to post anything about kids that came up to pat my bully. Total set up and now that she's been busted she's making excuses.
This is from the National Directory of Marriage and Family Counseling, it gives a pretty good corroboration of what family law attorneys would probably be telling clients like Jon and certainly what they tell clients in general. No one is trying to hurt the kids, we're just trying to advise about creating a long term situation that is best for the entire family. The one good thing about this area of law is there are a heck of a lot of mental health professionals who have a good sense of what, generally, works best for kids. It's not like there are a lot of therapists interested in the ins and outs of maritime law.
"One of the most important things you can do as a parent is to work out a specific visitation schedule and stick to it. Children need predictability. A regular routine and knowing when they will see each of you is comforting.
Each of you should inform the other of any new developments in your own life or in the life of your children. For example, you need to relay any information provided by school personnel, the outcome of doctor’s visits (if one of you is taking the child to the doctor for any reason) and any changes in your personal life (e.g. a new romantic partner, job lay-off, relative moving into the house, etc.)
Sometimes divorced spouses try to use each other for babysitting. This is a mistake. Each of you needs to establish your own support system and personal network of helpers. Continuing to be dependant upon one another can be a sign of hanging on. Also, this can create confusion for your children. Similarly, spouses should not conduct visitation in one another’s homes unless the child is very small. Again – this is confusing. It suggests that you’re an intact family which isn’t true.
It’s not uncommon for a non-custodial parent to be lackadaisical about visitation. This may occur for a variety of reasons. Sometimes non-custodial parents find it painful to see a child and then have to separate from them."
@S_a_r_a_h_____: @LakeRat2014 - it is really sad. I posted it bc she should really get some credit for making such sweet kids. #GoodParenting
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Why?
Why is it Sarah's job to ensure a mom gets credit? Why does this mom need credit in the first place? It's not a competition or a contest for a trophy.
Why don't Jon, the nannies, teachers, friends and relatives and all the helpers also get credit? They all played a major role in where these children are today. Kate is not the only person in their lives who influences them.
Are you telling Jon he should leave them with Kate's nanny?
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Exactly what attorneys tell clients who are dealing with parental alienators. Yep. Exactly what people dealing with parental alienators should do.
If you want more custody, you go to court to get it. You did not get more custody because Kate decides on a whim you can get more only to decide on a whim okay now it's over. No. That gives her power over you and fosters manipulation and dysfunction and is unhealthy and confusing for the children. (In amicable divorces, it does not usually create dysfunction and is permissible as long as all parties are happy.)
See the recommendations from the National Directory of Marriage and Family Counseling that I posted above. They agree. I'm just telling you this is the state of family law and what the therapists and attorneys are recommending to clients based on vast experience with the disaster that happens when you don't do what they recommend, and Millicent said the same.
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Actually it's not. It's what professional therapists recommend. It wasn't come up with in a vacuum. It was come up with after thousands of professionals realized that is fosters dysfunction.
Again, it's not a matter of not wanting your children or turning them a way. It's a matter of giving the parental alienator power, which is dysfunctional. You go to court to get more visitation, you don't let an obsessed parental alienator decide when, how and why. Never, or you'll regret it.
Are you suggesting that a parent SHOULD leave them with a babysitter rather than accept the extra days because you don't want the other parent to 'win'? I'm not understanding your logic.
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No! ONLY in contentious divorces and in parental alienation cases. That's all.
Sigh.
Actually this just reminded me why most people really wouldn't like family law.
It's not easy. You have to recommend things that make kids momentarily upset in the short term in order to avoid incredible dysfunction and upset in the long term. You have to rely on Phds and therapists and their recommendations even if it seems counter intuitive. You have to put a lot of trust in the experts and their vast experiences and understand that child psychology isn't as simple as "the kids is crying and missing his dad, give him his dad."
It's just not that simple. There are times it's hard but you are rewarded when your client listens to the experts, does what you recommend, and it works out well for the family.
If you want more custody, you go to court to get it. You did not get more custody because Kate decides on a whim you can get more only to decide on a whim okay now it's over. No. That gives her power over you and fosters manipulation and dysfunction and is unhealthy and confusing for the children____________________________
So wouldn't you want to stop that unhealthy confusion and take the kids when offered? I still don't understand that. Wouldn't it be MORE confusing to them by saying "Yeah, mom asked me to take you kids but, nah, not gonna do it even if you scream or cry for me. Stay with your mother's nanny." Makes no sense.
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So in the meantime, while you're fighting in the slow court system for more custody, you REFUSE to take them on extra days that you've been offered??
Talk about confusing the kids!
You have to recommend things that make kids momentarily upset in the short term in order to avoid incredible dysfunction and upset in the long term.
Again, this makes no sense. Wouldn't it upset the kids in the long term MORE by leaving them with a babysitter? Even if they're crying and screaming for you, you should say 'no' and let them stay with a babysitter? What long term damage is done to the kids by just accepting the extra days? Seems much,much worse to leave crying and screaming children with a babysitter just becaue you want to prove a point to your ex. Family law is fucked up.
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But all family law attorneys I know will advise those dealing with bitter custody battles and parental alienation as here, not to do. I do the same.
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This is bad advice. One should always take your kids when offered. Unless of course you're keeping score. WTH?
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It seems that some people forgot that we're talking about Jon and Kate, and the history of their divorce and child custody situation. Jon is dealing with a parental alienator; he lost in the first rounds; and he's learned that it will be a series of long uphill battles (some won, many lost) in family law court to try to get a fair custody order.
The worst he can do is undermine all his efforts by allowing Kate to continually violate the terms of the agreement.
I wish people would remember that we're not talking a normal situation here. It's Kate - the narcissist who purposely took fertility drugs in order to produce as many babies at once as possible, all to bring her fame and fortune. It's not a normal custody situation, and what two divorced parents who truly put their children's best interests at heart would do -- never applies here. It's Kate "worst mother in the world" Gosselin.
Jon is no doubt following the child custody order as best he can, and hopefully getting good advice from his attorney on how to handle each and every situation.
I may be wrong, but my impression is that the majority of people who post here regularly feel the Gosselin children got the short end of the stick in the parent department - and I'm talking both parents. However, when comparing Jon to Kate, there is no question in my mind that Jon is the better person and the better parent. That doesn't mean I'm a fan. He has a lot of room for improvement. However, he is human. He has feelings for his children. He loves them, and he wants them to be happy. His ex does not love the children, she does not care about their happiness, and she has no normal maternal feelings for them whatsoever. She's mean, abusive, manipulative, cruel, and bad to the bone. So side by side, Jon always is the better person to me, despite his numerous flaws.
Again, it's not a matter of not wanting your children or turning them a way. It's a matter of giving the parental alienator power, which is dysfunctional. You go to court to get more visitation, you don't let an obsessed parental alienator decide when, how and why. Never, or you'll regret it.
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Especially when that parental alienator is the one who goes on a talk show and says she sits by the phone waiting for the call because the kids want to come home early. But it's okay to leave them with him when SHE decides, not the court? WTF? I thought he was a monster?. What if they call while she's having the time of her life on CA? What then?
What you're saying makes perfect sense Admin. I've said before Kate's narcissism has dangerously metastasized. Jon absolutely has to go through the legal channels when dealing with her.
Are you telling Jon he should leave them with Kate's nanny?
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Exactly what attorneys tell clients who are dealing with parental alienators. Yep. Exactly what people dealing with parental alienators should do.
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I would think ESPECIALLY in contentious divorces and parental alienators, if one is offered more visitation = you take it. You don't say no just to teach your exspouse a 'lesson' that they're never going to get anyway. You're just cutting off your nose to spite your face. Nose - kids, face - exspouse.
It doesn't make sense in the real world. What a mess.
"—but as I sat there for hours half listening to Donald carry on, it struck me exactly what his hair looked like. It looks like cotton candy made of piss."
Bwa ha ha! I love how Penn tells it like he sees it.
Thanks for that link T.
The worst he can do is undermine all his efforts by allowing Kate to continually violate the terms of the agreement.
How is it undermining his efforts if he refuses extra visitation when offered? Please, explain this to me. I'm not seeing the logic. A parent should ALWAYS take the extra days. The 'crying and screaming' part bugs me too. So Jon should ignore his crying and screaming children because he wants to teach 'mom' a lesson? 'Cause that's just morally wrong.
"worst mother in the world" is a bit much. I vote for Susan Smith or Casey Anthony. Let's not overdramatize things like Kate's fans tend to do.
I've been reading off and on here for a while now. I haven't been commenting much, mostly because other people have already articulated what I wanted to say.
I have to agree that keeping to a schedule is very important when dealing with a parental alienator and I think the reasons Admin has given are sound.
That being said, Jon has recently made statements that Kate is violating his right of first refusal and how this is wrong and how upset it makes him. Now, please bear in mind, I have no idea if Kate asked him first, before she scheduled nannies, if he wanted to take the kids while she was away filming. But if she did, then I guess I find it hypocritical (? Not sure that's the right word to use) that he didn't take her up on the offer, after all of his complaining.
I understand that he may have difficulty with his work schedule, etc., if she sprung this on him at the last minute, but then again why couldn't he have mobilized his support system? He has family, not to mention Liz (if they're still together).
If Kate did offer him right of first refusal, then I think honestly he should have accepted, if for no other reason then to show the court that he is sincere in wanting to spend as much time as possible with his kids.
Sigh. In the end, it's all speculation and ultimately none of my business, really. I am looking forward to watching her on Celebrity Apprentice and reading the recaps here. When does it premiere again?
Did anyone ask this Sarah person if she asked Jon for permission before posting the pic & video? They're his children too. I hope he reaches out to her when he sees that she is posting pics without his permission. The children didn't ask for this. I doubt she asked them either.
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As heartbreaking as it may seem, I agree totally with admin. It's not about not loving your kids, it's about putting a complete stop to the manipulation in parental alienation situations. If Kreider can "dump" the kids on Jon whenever she wants, then in her mind, she can just not send them to Jon if she doesn't feel like it. That seems to be what is going on now in this situation, with some of the kids not seeing their father. How did it get this way? By Jon being agreeable and taking the kids when SHE felt like it. That puts her in a position of power and we all know what she does with a little bit of power.
This is a true case of lather, rinse, repeat. If Jon, EVERY TIME, just simply said, "No, that's not the agreement" she'd soon give up on this tactic. And the kids would know that come hell or high water, they'd see their Dad consistently and not be left feeling vulnerable and on pins and needles all the time.
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They may just be the final 3. Leeza tweeted something the other day about letting go so my guess was that she was fired.
It's too soon for that. They were doing task #8 or #9 when Geraldo, vivica and Kenya were caught in the video yesterday. If they started with 16 and lose 1 each task there should be about 7-8 celebs still in the competition. In Season CA season 8 there were 16 contestants and they had 12 tasks plus the finale = 13 total. They still have 1-2 more weeks of shooting, especially with the holiday mixed in.
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There's a heartbreaking quote from a beautiful movie called Legends of the Fall where Brad Pitt says of his parents living separately, "I think they loved mostly the idea of each other."
I've thought that Kate liked the idea of Jon. The Asian babies, the doctor's son, someone she could push around who was willing to go along with whatever she wanted. Do I believe she truly loved him? Not really. I don't believe narcissists experience love the way normal people do. They experience agendas.
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How true.
Sad.
I hope that through therapy and just breaking away from Kate (as much as he can), that Jon has come to know and understand this.
He was at the wrong place at the wrong time. Simple as that.
Jon was a need that Kate wanted to fill. It looked like love, probably even felt like love, but it is never real love with Kate.
She can only mimic the motions, but there are no true feelings.
That said, if Kate were to have kids, I'm glad she had them with a man like Jon, who gives them real love and acceptance, for better or worse.
Looking back, in all of those hours in all of those episodes, I never once saw Kate kvelling over her children. Never once saw wonderment in her eyes, never even close to tears of joy.
I agree, Jon should follow the custody orders to the letter..but to me, that means seeing all 8 kids as ordered, not just 5 of them. And yes, we do know he only sees 5, from his own mouth.
That said, if Kate were to have kids, I'm glad she had them with a man like Jon, who gives them real love and acceptance, for better or worse.
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Well said, Tucker's Mom. For all of his flaws (and we all have them), he loves those children.
This is a true case of lather, rinse, repeat. If Jon, EVERY TIME, just simply said, "No, that's not the agreement" she'd soon give up on this tactic.
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And then the sheeple. or one of those infamous insider sources, run to the tabs and say that Jon doesn't want the kids in spite of the fact that Kate is willing to let him see them more.
Jon can't win for love nor money. He's crucified no matter what.
Did anyone ask this Sarah person if she asked Jon for permission before posting the pic & video?
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She has legal custody. I don't believe that anyone needs his permission to post photos or videos. Kate does it all the time over Jon's objections and nothing ever comes of it.
When my niece divorced her husband the custody was set for every Wednesday evening, and every Saturday returning them on Sunday afternoon. When she had to go on business for 10 days he took the kids and vice versa. He also made repairs at the house as needed. They could not live with each other, but those 2 kids came first in their lives. They never had babysitters other than family members. Too bad everybody can't figure that out.
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It would be courteous to ask BOTH parents, not just the fame-seeking parent. I would extend the courtesy to Jon out of respect as he is their parent too. I don’t really care about the legality of whom has custody---Both are the parents of the children she is planning to post pictures on twitter, regardless. How would you feel if someone was posting pics of your children on a public forum and was not informed of it? What was her real intend of doing that? Getting her 15 minutes of fame?
As bad as it is that Jon gave up legal custody, there are still TWO parents involved. She cannot go on pretending he does not exist.
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That's what I thought Carol @138 but they seem to be losing celebs more quickly than normal. Kenya was on the other team so maybe they moved her over to Geraldo's team because his team lost more challenges (and maybe that's what threw me off). I think Trump is positioning Geraldo to win.
As much as I don't like anything about Kate, I have to disagree with your post about Jon basically living in the house
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She has a lock on her bedroom door. Even if the divorce had been amicable, if he were to stay with the kids at their house for any length of time, all personal info could be stored in there, I would think.
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It is not just the personal info. Would you honestly want your ex going thru your cabinets, drawers, garage, etc. Not to mention the damage he could do if he was vindictive. I am not saying Jon would do anything as I don't think he would; on the other hand, I believe Kate would be destructive in a heartbeat. My ex has cut splices in many lawn hoses, he throws & breaks beer bottles in my yard (I don't drink & have a really, really long driveway so I know it is not just cars going by). I had to stop letting him come in the house after the time he used the bathroom and sabotaged the toilet, I had to call a plumber as it stopped working right after he used it and was told that the water hose was loosened and re-tightened causing the flood leak valve to engage which shut off the water (he was the only one to use that bathroom in a while). Five years later, I still have to hover at the window when I know he is coming to pick up the kids to make sure he isn't alone around my house. It terrifies me to think what he could do if he were to live in it for any period of time. It just does not make sense to me for Jon to do this - much better that the kids go to his house.
Also, on the other issue about what a divorce attorney may advise, the guardian ad litem that we used in our divorce told me that it was not my job to keep him informed as to what was happening at school, etc. He made a huge deal about how involved he was (not) but then couldn't list the names of any of the kid's friends, their teachers names or even the name of our pediatrician. She told me that if he was so involved as he said, then he could find out whatever info he needed himself. I do keep him involved as these are my kids and I don't want them hurt by my actions. He, on the other hand, is like Kate in that he goes out of his way to be disagreeable and to avoid being courteous.
And zippy, zelda, ziggy...whatever your name is...seek help...now. Compulsive lying (Myothmania) is a sign of a deep mental illness.
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This is a true case of lather, rinse, repeat. If Jon, EVERY TIME, just simply said, "No, that's not the agreement" she'd soon give up on this tactic.
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And then the sheeple. or one of those infamous insider sources, run to the tabs and say that Jon doesn't want the kids in spite of the fact that Kate is willing to let him see them more.
Jon can't win for love nor money. He's crucified no matter what.
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The sheeple will do what sheeple will do. (shrugs)
Jon truly was no match for her. He thinks that most people come from a good place. It's taken him years to figure out that this is not the case with her. I'm sure, in the beginning, his heart was in the right place. She calls, he says, "Sure, I'd love to have them." Then the wheels fall off. He said that when he was younger there were times he wanted to be with his dad and times when he wanted to be with his mom. That's why he didn't enforce the twins coming to see him. But he was basing this attitude on his parents and what worked when he was younger. I'm willing to bet that their situation was nothing like what he finds himself in now. Most cases, that would be quite normal and not have lasting effects. In this situation, by the time he figured out how she operated, the precedent had already been set.
I don't think it's too late to take the advice of a good family law attorney. Lay down the law and stick to it. Better late than never.
And for those who say they would never turn away their child when they were screaming and crying, what do you think would have happened had Jon done that in the van on that video? All hell would have broken loose. What he should have done is calmed the children down and said, "This is the way it is, now please calm down." (maybe he did after the camera stopped) Using children like wishbones is disastrous for them. You reassure them that you'll see them again, soon. You be consistent, you be firm, and you never allow situations to get that far out of control. You do the best you can and take ownership of your behaviour. What the other parent does on their time, while tragic, is not something you can solve. You trust that some day your kids will understand.
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Also, can someone please explain to me why when Jon got the right of first refusal, at the time, everyone said that was a great thing. Now we are told that he should never ever deviate from the original custody order no matter what. What was the point then of getting the right of first refusal order..it makes no sense.
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They could not live with each other, but those 2 kids came first in their lives. They never had babysitters other than family members. Too bad everybody can't figure that out.
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Totally agree.
PJ
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I totally agree with your post. I love this board but sometimes you can't make a singe comment about a bad choice Jon made without people thinking you're anti-Jon and pro-Kate.
I love this board but sometimes you can't make a singe comment about a bad choice Jon made without people thinking you're anti-Jon and pro-Kate.
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I don't think that's true. I think most on this board can tell whether a post is a regular commenter posting a concern about Jon's behavior and commenter that is just trying to stir up trouble and/or deflect the conversation away from Kate's bad behavior.
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Also, can someone please explain to me why when Jon got the right of first refusal, at the time, everyone said that was a great thing. Now we are told that he should never ever deviate from the original custody order no matter what. What was the point then of getting the right of first refusal order..it makes no sense.
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I see no evidence that she ever followed the rule of "right of first refusal". I would be a good thing IF she abided by it. She only uses it when she doesn't want to be out of pocket. She can't be trusted. Period.
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So I guess if TFW had the kids last weekend Jon gets them this weekend for Easter. That will save TFW from having to stuff eleventybillion eggs and she can go enjoy a nice Easter Brunch with Steve in Manhattan. I'm told that Fig & Olive has a nice brunch and it's one of TFW's favorites.
I agree that there are few Jon fans here, but even with his flaws he is the better parent. Jon loves his kids, but as importantly, even with his limited time with them, he knows his children. Kate is all about the numbers, they are a blur of 8 to her, a grouping, not individuals. Her fame is all about having 8 kids, and she knows she has to keep them as a tight unit. Their individuality means nothing to her, never has and never will.
She only uses it when she doesn't want to be out of pocket.
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Right and that's the whole reason why these arrangements can become dysfunctional and unhealthy for children when there is a parent trying to use it to manipulate. First refusal is usually a fine thing, is a common order and works just fine for most families. When both parents abide by it in a fair manner, it's healthy. The problem is Jon says she doesn't follow it, except when she darn well pleases. She's also kept three of the children from him at various times. We've heard many other complaints both from him and others about how she handles visitation. Remember when she called the cops some years ago on his custody time, and they told her too bad so sad, it's his time? How upsetting for those poor children to know that not only was mom upset but that the cops had to come out. And that is the problem with going along with her every whim is that she has obviously become empowered to think that not only can she dump the children on him whenever she pleases, but she can also take the children from him whatever she pleases. She has been empowered to think that she has control, she has the power to dictate when he will see his kids or IF he will see his kids, and that she doesn't need to follow a custody order signed and stamped by the court of law. That is a dangerous area you never want to see someone get to or it's hell to try to pull them back down to earth.
Ultimately it is up to him to rectify this situation. But you don't fix it by continuing to play her games, whether it's giving the children to him at odd times or taking them away. Even though the video of him returning the children to Kate's when they were crying was heartbreaking, I also saw a father who was being calm, cool, and calmly following the visitation order by dropping them off anyway. I saw someone who obviously had spoken to his attorney. It must have broken his heart, but if he would like Kate to give him the children when perhaps they don't want to, he must do the same courtesy for her.
The problem is even though he has followed the court orders to a T as far as we can tell, she did not respond in a normal fashion and give him the same courtesy of following them too. This will be many more years of misery for him. I don't wish it on anyone.
Paula said... 154
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Paula, I agree with you, too. That's why I added 'sometimes." If it were not so and I did not enjoy the 'company' of the majority of posters, I would not be here! This board is usually very open to different opinions and I love the OT discussions, also. But occasionally you get a staunch defender of Jon regardless of what the issue is.But that's ok; it's an opinion board, after all, to raise awareness for the kids.
NJGal51 said... 120
@S_a_r_a_h_____: @LakeRat2014 - it is really sad. I posted it bc she should really get some credit for making such sweet kids. #GoodParenting
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OK so here is Sarah's reason for posting the picture and video
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When, of when, has Kate EVER not taken all of the credit for her kids.
What an idiot! If that's the best cover you've got, then your imagination sucks.
Kate has taken all of the credit. Always.
She regales the children about her bed rest and how much bacon she shoved in her maw, every single birthday.
She tells anyone who will listen that she is a single mom, raising her kids alone. Doing it all for the "9" of them.
Kate has never given the credit to anyone, the hundreds and hundreds of people who have helped get her where she it today, from doctors and nurses, to family, to volunteers and to the poor victims of her grifting who gave money and gifts of all kinds.
She's an ingrate of massive proportions.
Come on Sarah, admit this was a set up and not some random encounter.
You are fooling no one.
Sarah- did you get your 30 pieces of silver for selling these children?
Until all the kids are 18 and out of the home, Kate will continue to mess with Jon as punishment for ruining her chance to continue filming the kids nonstop. I am curious as to why the judge has allowed this to continue, though. Instead of sharing parenting peacefully, she would rather poke at Jon. Very vengeful. If she could cut Jon out completely, as she has done with others, she would. At least he makes the effort to stay in the kids' lives despite her messing with him.
Since nobody knows what the real story is with regard to who the eight are with while TCFW plays a "stah" in NY, let's all take a deep breath, step back and have a rumspringa. People, including sheeple, are basing information on an article in an online rag mag that we know does not verify their information.
Now, what I want to know is what the hell is up with this weather! It was in the 70s last week and now it's in the 20s at night and 40s during the day. I'm not liking that my heat is back on.
Since nobody knows what the real story is with regard to who the eight are with while TCFW plays a "stah" in NY, let's all take a deep breath, step back and have a rumspringa. People, including sheeple, are basing information on an article in an online rag mag that we know does not verify their information.
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Well the article itself had one source saying he does have the kids the other saying he doesn't have them, so who knows!
What I was driving at is that either way he chooses is correct (or in the case of the sheeple, incorrect). If he chooses to let Kate give him the kids during this six weeks, no matter how unexpected or inconvenient or manipulative, of course that's understandable. If he chooses not to play her games, that's also understandable. Either one is the right choice. We have no idea what's going on, nor do we have any idea what may or may not be going on with his family law case. He could be in the middle of a contested trial in family law, since it's confidential we wouldn't know, and I haven't seen the docket in years nor have I sought it out. Or he could be doing nothing. We have no idea. And him ultimately not getting the kids doesn't prove he didn't try. Or maybe he was just BSing, who knows. It's really not something we are ever likely to be privy to what REALLY happened unless one of us is listening to his conversations with his attorney. Since that's obviously forbidden, all we can do is wish this family the best.
Anonymous when I was no doubt happy for Jon he got first refusal, I was assuming Kate would follow it. I think we were mostly all pleased for him. As you can see, some of us have changed our minds now. It's not just me.
Silly me, I actually thought Kate would respect the court of law and honor his rights. Boy was I wrong. According to Jon, she hasn't abided by it, and used it as yet another tool to manipulate him. Therefore, what should have been a lovely victory has become a detriment. Now, it's not something I believe has benefited him. Rather, it has benefited her. And that's what sociopaths do, they are able to take things that us normal folks would count as victories for the other side and turn it completely around so it's a victory for them. It's both fascinating and frightening. God help anyone who has children with one.
It's called changing my mind based on the changing circumstances. It's allowed.
Making such sweet children? Making? This person is young. Who says "making" children? Unless this is a regional thing. Not even at birth do we say "awww, you made such a beautiful child." We would say "awww, such a beautiful child." We would use the term "raising" sweet children". Do any of you ladies use the word making in this instance???
Do any of you ladies use the word making in this instance???
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"making" is highly unusual. I took it to mean that the children turned out the way they did because of Kate. Once again, it's as if they have no father.
I think the kids looked somewhat happy in the pug video, but the boys seemed to be performing for the camera.
Making such sweet children? Making? This person is young. Who says "making" children?
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"Making" kids sounds like something TFW would say since she views them as objects.
Not only do I find it odd someone would say something like that, I still find it absolutely unbelievable that someone would even THINK that when encountering a nice child petting their dog.
Lots of nice children have pet my dog. I rarely look at a nice child and think it must have been their MOTHER! Usually I just think oh what a lovely child, it's nice to see they have been taught well about animals. If I do think about who may have played a role in it, I would think oh they must have good PARENTS, perhaps a nice FAMILY, perhaps a good HOME. Why would anyone on their own just immediately assume a nice child is attributed solely to their mother? To then take the next step of tweeting it out is absurd. I have never believed more in a Gosselin conspiracy theory than this one. I am convinced she knows Deanna, and Deanna indoctrinated her.
@S_a_r_a_h_____: @LakeRat2014 - it is really sad. I posted it bc she should really get some credit for making such sweet kids. #GoodParenting
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How did she make them sweet?
By forcing them to go on tv or by beating the s**t out of them plz do tell.
capecodmama said... 162
Since nobody knows what the real story is with regard to who the eight are with while TCFW plays a "stah" in NY, let's all take a deep breath, step back and have a rumspringa.
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If ever there was a reason to have a drink in the morning! LOL Bottoms Up!!
The Deanna theory is too far fetched. I simply believe Sarah is a Kate fan and spied the group walking through the park. Kate was not there otherwise she would have mentioned it also. Besides, check out her picture. Long blond hair, makeup, sexy photo. She likes that look.
I wonder if those poor kids are handed a filming schedule at the beginning of their week.
"Friday - Shot #1 Location: Central Park, Start time 6 am/Finish time 12 pm. Characters: Gosselin sextuplets, Female stranger. Props: Pug on leash, cellphone. Costume: Casual summer clothing."
Making such sweet children? Making? This person is young. Who says "making" children?
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Agree this person was paid and/or encouraged to tweet the photo and vid, plus her complimentary remarks about Kate. Phony baloney.
While I have heard the phrase, "making a baby" when a couple is trying to get pregnant, I've never heard it in reference to raising a child.
This woman sounds like she thinks a parent makes a 10-year old child much as one might make a ceramic bowl, or new curtains. Shades of Kate-speak indeed.
I believe a fan could bump into them in the park. What I don't believe is that the fan would then bend over backwards to say both how perfect the kids are and what a good mom Kate is. We've seen many other casual fans who have bumped into her and none of their tweets look like that. A typical celeb encounter tweet goes something like OMG just ran into the Gosselin kids so random! #puglove.
I don't buy how perfect this was.
AuntieAnn said... 134
"—but as I sat there for hours half listening to Donald carry on, it struck me exactly what his hair looked like. It looks like cotton candy made of piss."
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I missed this link the first time around (to a Penn interview after being on CA, I presume). Hilarious indeed!
Besides, check out her picture. Long blond hair, makeup, sexy photo. She likes that look.
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I find the photo in the shower particularly lovely.
All the credit to the nice children goes to their mother. That's not how a normal encounter with a nice child would be processed by most people. I just don't think that's how most people think. We do know however that's how Kate thinks.
TLC stinks said... 175
The Deanna theory is too far fetched. I simply believe Sarah is a Kate fan and spied the group walking through the park. Kate was not there otherwise she would have mentioned it also. Besides, check out her picture. Long blond hair, makeup, sexy photo. She likes that look.
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I disagree because I think Kate would be all over anyone not only taking video of her kids, but posting it on social media and moreover, getting paid by Radar to use it.
No one but Kate makes money off of her children.
Crissakes, her poor sister made a couple honest remarks about not seeing Kate and the kids, Radar ran it, and Kate went apeshit, accusing her own sister of making $$ and betraying her.
It''s amazing. Her family tries (very rarely) to tell their side of the horror story, and instead of thinking "jeez, I really should make amends with my flesh and blood", our dear Kate turns it around and says, "see, this is why we have no family in our lives".
I have no clue what Deanna the Great Enabler has to do with this, but I've no doubt it is sanctioned by Kate.
The randomness factor is for me, unlikely, given the absolute gushing of this Sarah weirdo.
At first I thought that if Kate responded by telling Sarah to take it down, I'd believe the faccaca story. Then I thought that if it didn't make it to Radar, maybe, just maybe, Sarah was for real.
No rebuke and Sarah's got 30 pieces of silver from Radar.
It's set up.
IMHO, of course ;-)
If ever there was a reason to have a drink in the morning! LOL Bottoms Up!!
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I'll drink to that. Of course, reading the sheeple shadow theories on the Grassy Knoll would drive anyone to heavily imbibe.
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Oh it's possible this gal was just walking her little companion and was asked to film 'an encounter with the G6" on her phone, but my point was that those children's lives have been scripted from day one which is why suspicions are raised when stuff like this pops up on twitter.
I've heard the expression "making" with regard to children. Usually, though, it's a couple saying they "make" beautiful children together. I don't think I've ever heard someone say that of another person.
Slightly OT -- one of my closest friends growing up, and still to some extent today, is an only child whose parents divorced when she was 7. She and her mother moved across country and she never heard from her father again. Her mother always told her that he didn't want anything to do with them and that it was just "us girls" against the world. Her mother died about a year ago, and when she was going through the house and clearing out her mother's things, she came across a box full of hundreds of unopened cards and letters to her, from her father. The last one was postmarked the year she turned 21. Her mother had lied to her and kept them from her her entire life. She was devastated and hired a PI to trace her father. Turned out he'd died shortly after the last letter was posted. She's a mess now, alternately hating her mother and being angry with her for keeping her father away from her, and feeling guilty and imagining how her father felt, thinking she wanted nothing to do with him. This is what TFMJG would do, X8, if given the opportunity.
I don't know what the truth is of the kids' living arrangements while TFMJG cavorts in NY with Skeeve and for CA. I hope, since we've heard nothing, that this means that the kids are with Jon. He normally doesn't say anything when he has the kids. Either way, though, TFMJG will find some way to use it against him -- either she'll tell the kids he didn't want them, if they are with nannies, or she'll tell him that he had them for 6 whole weeks, so he can't have them on his normal custody days. What a mess.
Flight of the Kiwi said... 170
Making such sweet children? Making? This person is young. Who says "making" children? Unless this is a regional thing. Not even at birth do we say "awww, you made such a beautiful child." We would say "awww, such a beautiful child." We would use the term "raising" sweet children". Do any of you ladies use the word making in this instance???
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Not in this instance, but I must say, making babies with your spouse can be a boatload of fun when you're planning a family.
Tucker's Mom said... 171
Do any of you ladies use the word making in this instance???
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lol! Funny you should ask that. Actually, yes. A friend had a baby a few months ago, and of course I went to visit and fuss over the newborn. My friend said to me, "You have to admit...Mike and I make beautiful babies!"
CJWhodunit @CJWhodunit 3h
@S_a_r_a_h_____ @Kateplusmy8 Thanks for sharing video of happy Gosselin kids&way cute puppy! :-) #MadeMeSmile
I wonder how many parents would allow, much less "thank," a stranger for taking videos of their kids in a park and then posting them online? Wouldn't it totally creep you out if someone approached your kids with a video camera? I would think that any normal, protective parent, would call law enforcement about it, not tweet them with a thank you.
Unless, of course, this whole thing was a set-up by Kate and Company as another publicity stunt, putting these children on display once again and using a puppy as the prop.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2014/04/desperate-housewife-tamra-barney-says-shes-lost-her-strength-links-to-photo-talking-about-wanting-to-die/
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Here I thought Kate's fans were delusional, always propping her up emotionally.
Tamara Barney's sheep take the cake and entire pasture.
Barney has been in a heated battle with her ex, Simon, and their kids are taking up sides and probably being manipulated on both ends.
Barney is looking really, really bad in all of this, and today, tweeted out some pathetic, self-pity crap in order to get sympathy and attention.
Tucker's Mom said... 182
Her family tries (very rarely) to tell their side of the horror story, and instead of thinking "jeez, I really should make amends with my flesh and blood", our dear Kate turns it around and says, "see, this is why we have no family in our lives".
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Yes, it's always someone besides Kate who is to blame. Good heavens, the woman is too perfect a mommy to ever do harm to her kids. She's piecing and patching to keep that golden platter full.
I read excerpts from the old Gosselin website where she said her mother had to come in and clean the entire hospital room with Clorex wipes before Kate would allow herself to be admitted for 864 weeks of bedrest or whatever, because she was such a freaking germaphobe. That tells me they were still getting along (if that's even possible with tfw) up until the tups were born. The fallout with the family probably came soon after when Kate decided they didn't know how to help her anymore so they got put on her shitlist toot sweet.
It could also be that her mom was the one who said enough already, I'm not going to raise your kids for you too, you lazy so and so.
Although I consider myself a Jon supporter, it doesn't mean I think everything he says and does is right. My support is based on behavior I saw on the show - a kind and loving father who was warm and attentive with his children. I remember one situation when someone asked one of the boys who he was, and he grinned and
said, "I'm Daddy's son!" It was so dear, and to me spoke volumes about how that boy was treated by his father.
As much as TFW's bad behavior drives me bananas, I absolutely do not wish ill on her, as anything that hurts her hurts her children. But
I specifically wish Jon well, as I think he is the parent who is able to provide for his children's emotional needs.
Midnight Madness said... 188
CJWhodunit @CJWhodunit 3h
@S_a_r_a_h_____ @Kateplusmy8 Thanks for sharing video of happy Gosselin kids&way cute puppy! :-) #MadeMeSmile
I wonder how many parents would allow, much less "thank," a stranger for taking videos of their kids in a park and then posting them online? Wouldn't it totally creep you out if someone approached your kids with a video camera?
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Imagine if anyone dared to take photos and video of this defective detective's kids and then post them on Twitter. Her head would spin and she'd spew pea soup while calling on her BV pals to out the demon who dared do such a thing. ISPs would be bandied about, employers would be called. Just one more case of "it's ok for others but not for me".
Bitchy Pants said... 185
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OMG, that is so sad.
I hope your friend finds support, because that is the worst.
Her mother was a selfish POS, just like Kate and "the 9 of us" BS.
Kate would cut Jon out if she could.When she snarled about someone who sees the kids 4 days a months having ANY say about how SHE raises them- well, that said it all.
It's such a shame your friend found out to late, but, the silver lining is that she now knows her father love and wanted her.
That fan's tweet to Sarah -- what if we changed the name to Affleck?
"Thanks for sharing video of happy Affleck kids!" Or "happy Jolie-Pitt
kids!" It would seem kinda creepy, no? Not only violating the kids'
privacy in the moment, but further invading it by posting that
video publicly?
Why do those celebrity kids deserve respect and privacy, but not these kids? Because the mother of these kids sold their privacy the
moment they were born, and will continue to do so as long as their is a nickel to be earned by it.
It would be courteous to ask BOTH parents, not just the fame-seeking parent. I would extend the courtesy to Jon out of respect as he is their parent too. I don’t really care about the legality of whom has custody---Both are the parents of the children she is planning to post pictures on twitter, regardless. How would you feel if someone was posting pics of your children on a public forum and was not informed of it? What was her real intend of doing that? Getting her 15 minutes of fame?
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FlimsyFlamsy said... 194
That fan's tweet to Sarah -- what if we changed the name to Affleck?
"Thanks for sharing video of happy Affleck kids!" Or "happy Jolie-Pitt
kids!" It would seem kinda creepy, no? Not only violating the kids'
privacy in the moment, but further invading it by posting that
video publicly?
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And didn't Kate crow about that new Pap law regarding not targeting children of celebs?
What a fricking hypocrite.
Suzy, 195... I would extend the courtesy to Jon out of respect as he is their parent too.
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If Kate put this Sarah person up to this (posting a picture and video), forget about respect for Jon. It ain't gonna happen.
The nut so Kate fans want to bully people off radar++++++++++ Sami713 Guest • 13 hours ago
says the person posting obsessively, I think you are the mental one in the head for what you are doing. Get over your obsession, find a treatment program for your addiction to hating Kate.
You must think it makes you feel better then others to put people down.
Does the complete opposite, says more about you then Kate.
Keep on with your mental obsession, you just make yourself look crazy.
Sami713 Chablis • 13 hours ago
You point a finger at Kate, all the while for years you have obsessively put her down and hated on her or anyone who says anything nice or good to her.
So that says more about you, then it does Kate.
Why don't you fix you instead of fixing her, you are the one being nasty all the time and critical, maybe you should check your own shortcomings and stop finger pointing at her until you fix your not so nice behavior. To obsessively hate someone for years, think about how ridiculous that is when you then finger point at her for her behavior when your own is caustic.
Making such sweet children? Making? This person is young. Who says "making" children? Unless this is a regional thing. Not even at birth do we say "awww, you made such a beautiful child." We would say "awww, such a beautiful child." We would use the term "raising" sweet children". Do any of you ladies use the word making in this instance???
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It might be regional. It's said here quite a bit and didn't strike me as being strange at all. However, I hear it more frequently among older adults, not young people as this particular tweeter appears to be.
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