The Armstrong Lie is a documentary chronicling Lance Armstrong's comeback tour. The documentary had completed most of its filming when Lance's lies were exposed and he was subsequently banned from the sporting world. The filmmaker then went back to the cutting room floor and re-edited the film to incorporate the story of a dramatic fall from grace.
Here are five lessons to be learned from his powerful work:
1. Lying catches up eventually.
This is an obvious one. Lance was described by many as a gifted storyteller, able to craft a careful and compelling lie to sell products, and himself. If anyone was equipped to deceive, it was him. Lies piled up upon lies so effortlessly for the star that some friends said they didn't think he even knew he was lying. But a house built on sand will eventually fall, and so too did Lance's deceitful empire.
2. Suing can't always make your problems go away.
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Lance used his incredible wealth and power to try to make his critics shut up, often suing or threatening lawsuits, and for many people it worked and they crawled into a black hole and disappeared. But Lance's former teammate, Frankie Andreu, and Frankie's wife Betsy, were determined to get the truth out there. They had nothing to lose. Frankie had already confessed his own wrongdoing, admitting he used performance enhancing drugs during several races, and he was too old to get back into the sport anyway. The Andreus also felt very burned by Lance. They felt that Lance's continued insistence on sticking to his lies when Frankie and many others had long ago owned up to what they did wrong, was perpetuating a dark cloud over the cycling world. Lance also used to be their close friend, and they felt betrayed that he would contradict their story and smear their names when they knew they were telling the truth (Betsy once accidentally found a cooler filled with banned substances in Lance's bus). Betsy especially was a woman of principles who deeply resented cheaters and liars. Lance didn't understand someone caring more about their principles than their money, because Lance is, quite obviously, without principles.
When Armstrong realized the Andreus weren't going to back down, he upped the ante by having some of his people threaten them. Even that didn't work. Lance also orchestrated campaigns to shut others up, like his former friend Jonathan Vaughters. Lance eventually apologized to Betsy, and whether it was sincere (many viewers will think it's not) it was an apology she accepted graciously. Betsy, with all her courage and determination, as well as her penchant for forgiveness, emerges from the documentary a key reason the house of cards fell, and the voice of morality. She is a modern day hero and whistleblower.
3. Your haters may have a point.
Armstrong chose to frame his critics as haters and liars, and tried to get rid of them through intimidation and lawsuits. Much of the media was reluctant, and scared, to believe the critics. However in the end the critics were right. If a bunch of people are jumping up and down trying to explain that something is just not the way it seems, they just may be on to something.
4. Quitting while you're ahead is often a good thing.
Quite simply, Lance got greedy. Three or four first place finishes weren't enough, he wanted more. Most Lance historians agree that had he simple stopped at the top of his game, none of this ever would have come out.
5. Journalists should never be fans too
This reminded us so much of Kate Coyne and her odd defense of all things Kate Gosselin. The filmmaker admitted he was a fan of Lance, and set about to make a documentary about his hero. The fi
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lm was almost complete before the filmmaker finally got a clue that the house of cards was falling. Perhaps being so enamored with the guy prevented him from seeing the truth. As a result, he had to tell the story in hindsight. Had he been willing to open his eyes to his hero, he could have become the greatest whistleblower of them all and a hero himself. He was too busy being a fan to realize he had a Pulitzer story within his grasp. A journalist should never become so captivated by their famous subjects or the story they are telling that they miss the truth.
The Armstrong Lie is available on Netflix, Redbox, and many other outlets.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 1446 Newer› Newest»I'd been married for only about a year and we were stationed in Germany. I'd just learned to drive because I'd always taken public transportation in NY & NJ. We'd had a friend come to visit and I had to take her to the Frankfurt airport by myself because my husband was in the field. I got her there without a problem but took a wrong turn when leaving the airport and missed the autobahn exit back where I needed to be. So there I was, lost in Germany in the age before cell phones and speaking/reading very little German. Suck it up buttercup is right! I found my way to a grocery store and explained as best I could to a store employee while trying not to cry. Another employee came out and his English was much better than my German so I explained again. He told me to follow him and he got in his car and showed me the way back. A true angel on earth. I'm still not good with driving directions but plop me in the middle if a city and I can walk anywhere without a problem. Go figure.
TFW needs to suck it up and learn to do it on her own. When the money runs out so will Steve.
No, but as people grow up into adulthood, they learn how to be adults. At least, most people do. No one can do everything, but most people can cope with everyday life and its demands.
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Agreed. I think being able to do something like take a small business trip is just downright elementary. Elementary. Book a flight, book a hotel, pack, get yourself on the flight, get yourself to the hotel, get yourself around and your basic needs attended to, like food. This is not New Delhi, it's NEW YORK. I wonder what message that is sending her five young daughters. I wish they could see a woman take charge of something so simple, organize the trip herself, go on the trip without incident, and come back feeling like can-do Kate. Toss Steve and do something on her own for once.
I suppose Kate's excuse is I was sheltered as a child. That's nonsense. You do not have to have traveled the world in order to deal with such basics like booking services you need and finding your way around an unfamiliar place. Lots of us young people came from modest families but we adapted just fine to globalization. That's because it's not a matter of how many flights you've been on or how many stamps are in your passport. It's a matter of learning how to be an independent woman regardless of your background, which you can do right in your home town. As well as knowing what to do when you get lost or things are not falling into place. All skills that can be required at home, be it as simple as helping mom and dad pump the gas or learning how to balance a checkbook in 9th grade.
Granted, it used to be we stayed in our own little corner of the world. It was more accepted to be uncomfortable with sticking your neck out. That's not how the world is today. She will see more of the world than her parents, and her children will see more of the world than she will. Society is global now. Because of how much more common it is to have to hit the road especially via your job, it really is a life skill and there is no reason Kate should not know how to do it other than laziness or unreasonable resistance. And this is really easier than a business trip someone like me would take, since we know they have many things taken care of for them like craft services and hotels. Goodness, how would she handle it when the hotel can't find the company credit card on file or the price they quoted you for parking isn't what your boss thought it was? I have no Steven to turn to. You have to be a grown woman and just deal with such things like an adult.
It's easier to understand someone nervous about traveling to a foreign country I suppose (although, even that is done all the time by business women), but she's spent a great deal of time in NYC, it's only a few hours away, she should be more than comfortable with this by now.
Why is this such a big deal to the fans ?
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I don't know. Weird huh! Who cares who they look like?? And isn't bringing such things up all the time rather insensitive to adopted kids or kids conceived with donors? I wouldn't bring something up like that so much in this day in age. Especially when you really don't know for sure the circumstances of a child's conception.
I actually see quite a bit of Kate in every single one of them, as well as Jon. I think they all look like a combination of both, as kids tend to. But it doesn't bother me nor do I think about it.
When they were small, I saw the Gosselin children as looking Asian. Not so much any more
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Up close and personal, you can definitely see Asian in the boys. Alexis and Cara are the least looking Asian among the girls. Mady, Hannah and Leah seem to be a nice mix of both races.
They're very nice-looking kids. They really are.
Beth yes. They have made it very easy now.
I've gotten more lost in rural PA with not a sign to be had for miles and two separate freeways called the same number (gaaa what's up with that!!), than I ever have abroad. I remember thinking when I went to Egypt in my early 20's, with just a few of my friends and no "parents" or other help, this was really going to be a challenge. Turns out, it was one of the easiest places I've been to. Everyone spoke English, everyone bent over backwards to be kind and gracious. It really is just like the most successful teams on Amazing Race, a show I love. The teams that slow down, focus, don't freak out, read things carefully, and keep their eyes peeled, do just fine. These are all skills anyone, anyone could learn, and be very successful outside their comfort zone. That show brings on pairs all the time with very little travel experience, and they excel. That's because the people who sign up are usually can-do people willing to tackle challenges head on, be deliberate and smart, and not cower away and cry about it.
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I've gotten more lost in rural PA with not a sign to be had for miles and two separate freeways called the same number (gaaa what's up with that!!), than I ever have abroad
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Does it make the GPS woman swear? "Oh, shit, I mean turn right at..."
I really don't think Kate knows what reality means to most people.
I also have a feeling there's something else going on in her development such that this is the only way she can manage to negotiate her way through life, because she never has had what it takes to reach that sort of "self-acutalization" level.
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There is such a mental health condition known as dependent personality disorder. I'm trying to remember from psych classes, but two of the symptoms are the inability to accept criticism (Kate's cry of bullying) and being extremely immature, naive and living in a fantasy world, unable to accept things as they are. Not doing an armchair diagnosis here, but this really does sound like Kate, especially when one considers that she honestly believes that she still is a celebrity who deserves to be treated as such. Even though it's a fantasy, it's her reality.
I didn't realize how much Kan-Do-Kate really CAN'T DO.
Yes, she can twitter. BFD. Too bad she uses it to grift and lift her fragile ego and not to promote upcoming TV or Live appearances. She really doesn't even use Twitter correctly.
What else Kan't she do?
Keep a blog updated
Write a coherent blog post
Keep not-a-nannies
Sustain long-term friendships (don't most of us still have friends from childhood? Especially if you didn't move around as a child?)
Get along with siblings, parents
Get along with co-workers
Hold down a job
Dress like a lady
Show love for her own children (others, no problem)
Show sincere love for an animal
Public Speaking
Dancing
Cooking Demonstrations
Writing a cookbook, recipes
Taking appetizing photos
Driving the speed limit
Parking in designated spots
Checking the content on discs before tossing in the trash ("If Jon touched it, I don't want it.")
Choosing "Knights-in-shining-armor" -- Revenge Porn King is not somebody I would want as a friend
oh man ... the list goes on and on.
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@Kateplusmy8 Well, U know it wouldn't be ME if I didn't bug U & ask U ...what's next? :) #EmbracingThePositivesInLife #EverGoingForward
If I had a doofus like Gladys up my butt all the time, it would drive me nuts. The more she would pester, the more I would ignore her. I wouldn't deal with her nonsense, and I wouldn't blame Kate at all if she just blew her off. Nobody needs that.
I don't care if she's the most caring, gentle, loving, kind person on the face of the earth. There's no reason for being this nosy and demanding to know what's going on. None whatsoever. If they communicate in other ways as Milo says they do, then let them communicate, but my word, you don't keep bugging someone about it. If Kate wants to respond, she will. If not, you just let it go and don't make a nuisance of yourself.
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I also appreciate the OT discussions, because as much as I remain concerned about the eight, I agree with Joy - Kate is beyond boring. She is a botoxed, anorexic, plastic, bleached blonde, who, as Tucker's said, is a fame whore.
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Rhymes, I know you meant no offense, but it was difficult to read how you included "anorexic" in your description of TFW as a botoxed, plastic, bleached blonde. Unlike the cosmetic procedures you listed, anorexia is not a choice. It is a horrific mental illness, with the worst mortality rate of any mental illness.
No one starts out with the goal of developing anorexia. It is an insidious, extremely complicated disease that is caused by a combination of factors, including a genetic predisposition to it, and is triggered by any number of different circumstances.
There are countless foolish people like Kate who engage in disordered eating behaviors, and whose lack of proper nutrition is obvious, but it doesn't mean they are anorexic.
I hope I have not hurt you in any way with this post. It is just that I am extremely sensitive about this subject because I have experienced first-hand the agony of watching a loved one descend into the hell that is this terrible disease. It is always difficult to hear people dismiss it as some kind of vainglorious action.
Thanks for listening.
That's interesting. She just seems generally stunted to me, stuck at about age 15. In everything she does, she is the emotional age of 15. I don't know what is the cause of that although I suppose as suggested it could actually be a developmental issue. Many people with those issues can seem pretty presentable on the outside but when you really delve into their day to day lives the delay becomes more apparent. DD can have and maintain custody of their children as long as they have a good support system.
She's not a baby. She's a teenager. And like a 15 year old. she can do a lot of things, but she still really needs an adult there to help. In fact many times in mental health evaluations it seems that the doctor will assign an emotional age to the person with DD. Nine, 14, whatever it is. Obviously the higher the better.
Well, U know it wouldn't be ME if I didn't bug U & ask U ...what's next? :)
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What's next is WHATEVER SHE CAN GET, Gladys. She waits for whatever reality show crap will fall into her lap then snatches it up. That is all she does and apparently all she will ever do.
It's laughable the way they act like she has any control whatsoever over the direction of her so called career.
If she were a nurse she could actually have dreams and goals and a long term career plan. You can't really do that when you're life's ambition is reality T.V. has been.
I think Kate believes she 'can-do' it all, or at least is trying to dupe her 'fans' and children into thinking she 'does it all' as she tells reporters and talk show hosts. It comes out in her military style running of the home and strange sets of rules. In fact, she doesn't DO anything without help or services and has come to the stage where the children are doing more than she ever did around the house.By being bossy and rude she thinks people will bow down to her demands and do things for her, and feels entitled to this.She's a sham, all round.
Does it make the GPS woman swear? "Oh, shit, I mean turn right at..."
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Honey, these are "no service" areas we're talking about! I'm not joking around here!
I'm catching up with my DWTS viewing tonight. Derek s partner is Amy Purdy, a paralympic snow boarder who had double Bertie the knee amputations after bacterial meningitis. They are fabulous! Absolutely positively fabulous and inspiring and amazing and I don't have enough superlatives
Kate seems incapable of even the most basic of life's demands.
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I've always thought that Kate had some kind of anxiety disorder. She freaks out at the smallest things.
I think the dependent personality disorder also sounds plausible.
What's next is WHATEVER SHE CAN GET, Gladys. She waits for whatever reality show crap will fall into her lap then snatches it up. That is all she does and apparently all she will ever do.
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Kate seems incapable of even the most basic of life's demands.
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I've always thought that Kate had some kind of anxiety disorder. She freaks out at the smallest things.
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I would like to see Kate go on that show dirty jobs LOL.
I think Kate's an entitled bitch that wants everything handed to her on a silver platter.
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Hahaha - that sums it up!
@JustTheQTip: Up at 3AM to fly back to NY to go right to work to work a full day...
Ohh finale. You are a bitch...
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And that's a wrap!
Honey, these are "no service" areas we're talking about! I'm not joking around here!
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I guess that explains why the poor thing needs the police to guide her to a radio station a few miles from the konpound. If there's the slightest reason for her to call on help she'll ask for it. 'Can-do Kate' my rosy ass.
No wonder she won't leave PA, there's no other place that would give her that kind of special attention. Can you imagine her trying to make her way around a city like Los Angeles?
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I would like to see Kate go on that show dirty jobs LOL.
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It's too late for that. The show ended two years ago. It would have been fun to watch her collect forensic evidence from maggot-infested pigs. Of course, Mike did make yarn from fleece, so maybe the sheeple would have volunteered to be sheared.
Interesting comments today. (cue Twilight Zone Theme Song)
I believe she simply feels that dealing with the minutiae is beneath her. She Masterminds, everyone else executes. She's the Stah! I'm sticking with narcissism. She's too full of herself to be dependent personality disorder.
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I suppose Kate's excuse is I was sheltered as a child. That's nonsense.
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It is nonsense. I was pretty sheltered as a child - not spoiled, but sheltered. My mom is a wonderful, loving sweet lady who probably did more for us kids than she should have, such that when I went to college, I had to learn how to properly do a load of wash! LOL.
Point being, I learned how to do that and many other things. And I like being able to figure out how to do things. I'm gearing up to put my home on the market, but first I need to spruce it up a bit. So my son and I will do some interior painting, we'll purchase and install new smoke and carbon monoxide detectors, and I'll install new window shades. Being self sufficient saves money and it feels good.
As to taking trips - I love going online and planning trips. Checking airfares, reading up on various hotels, mapping out routes. I've driven my son and I to Arizona 3 years in a row, for spring training. We've gone panning for gold. We've gone to the beach and pitched a tent in the wind, figured out how to light a fire, and survived our camp out. It would have been nice to have a big strong man along - but that wasn't the case, and we made it an adventure no matter what.
You learn by doing. That's why Kate doesn't know much at all.
I believe she simply feels that dealing with the minutiae is beneath her.
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Yes could be though I think if that's really why she won't get her hands dirty, I think she's been avoiding it for so long it's built and built up this anxiety about it such that she's rather helpless even if she wanted to be more independent.
I think this same thing has happened with the kids. There were times when she had the kids on her own when they were very little. Now, from what we've been told by Jon, she has nannies there almost all the time. It's ridiculous to spend money on a full time nanny at this stage when she's home so much and the kids are much older. She has created irrational fears and anxiety by avoiding things for so long.
Seven years ago, maybe she would have been much better equipped to go to NYC on her own on business. She would have figured it out like we all figured it out the first time we were faced with such a challenge. Seven years ago, I bet she could handle eight kids ages 13 and 10. Today, I think the idea probably petrifies her.
As to taking trips - I love going online and planning trips.
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YES LOL me too and the internet makes it so EASY now!! I am very much an off season off the beaten path traveler and I've found such cool stuff over the years. You can really find those hidden bed and breakfast places that have been both more bang for your buck and much more of an immersion into the culture. I'm planning a 30th bday trip right now for a special someone and it's been a blast. I have all these ideas for what to do on the special day, much of it a surprise. I'm trying to see right now if I can arrange a dance lessons of the traditional dance of the place we're going, haha!
This stuff is fun, not something to be feared. And I find it so much more rewarding. We've done the whole group tours thing, Intrepid is a fantastic company, but I just don't get the same satisfaction out of it as when we choose our own adventures.
I guess what I've noticed is that most strong and independent women get a great deal of satisfaction out of taking control of their own lives, holding the reins. I know I do. I cannot imagine living a life of dependence or co-dependence. Having a handler around all the time would both annoy and embarrass me. It sounds stifling. It is a wonderful time to be a woman, why spit in its face?
I don't think Kate's lack of independence is related to anything but immaturity. I was brought up sheltered in Berks County. I was also born without a sense of direction. After I got my first apartment, I figured that as an independent woman I had to learn to do things on my own.
It took practice. I learned to eat alone in restaurants. I learned to drive to new places. I studied maps (no GPS) to get there. If I got lost coming home, I figured all roads lead somewhere. I went to concerts, movies, and on vacation alone. I didn't do everything alone. I went places with friends too. But if no friend was available, I would try to go. Sometimes I chickened out, sometimes I felt embarrassed, but with practice and growing up it got easier.
That's where Kan Do Kate comes up short. She won't try. All those platitudes about how strong she is but she is not strong enough to get lost and take an extra hour to get home. She is not strong enough to call a customer service agent and say I need help. Even sadder, her kids aren't learning any of those skills either.
I know a woman who was over 70 and had never pumped gas. Suddenly her husband was very ill. For a couple months she had her son pump her gas. Then one day she asked her son to show her how and she did it! I was so impressed. It's ok to grow up sheltered. It's not ok to stay that way. This is how people get taken advantage of. I wouldn't be surprised if she has all her money under Steve's management. That's a great way to end up penniless.
Good luck with your trip planning. It bemuses me that you are planning a 30th birthday adventure, only because I often forget that you are the same age as my youngest child. For many years I enjoyed the thrill of the planning chase almost as much as I enjoyed the actual trip. Now I like to mix it up a bit: our upcoming trip to Italy is going to be one week with a small culinary tour in Puglia, and then a week on our own at an agriturismo in Tuscany. One week was planned, one week plus a few nights in Rome I planned.
It is a huge shame that TFW is so stunted that she cannot get herself from A to B if it involves anything more complicated than a drive in her neighborhood. But it's not just developmental immaturity - my children, in their teens, were far more independent and mature. And I bet TFW's siblings can get themselves through an airport and to a hotel without a handler/manager. I have given up trying to figure her out, just hope the kids survive a life with her.
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I respect your opinion about there are worse things that she has done.
After reading this, it has been on my conscience to say something about my belief. I am extremely pro-life and I know there are pro-choice in here too. In my opinion, if anyone has an abortion, I think that is the ultimate worse thing you can do to a child.
Let's just agree to disagree.
Orange, Casa Fabrini. It's run by two pediatricians. They have like five dachshunds who are their babies. It was unforgettable.
After reading this, it has been on my conscience to say something about my belief. I am extremely pro-life and I know there are pro-choice in here too. In my opinion, if anyone has an abortion, I think that is the ultimate worse thing you can do to a child.
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I think you're missing the point of so many posts. You commented on Kate's pregnancy, which you assume she terminated. It has never been proven that she was pregnant. It came from an unnamed source, never confirmed, and of course, Kate never spoke about it. To assume that it's true and to present it as fact, is wrong, and as someone pointed out, it's hurtful. It doesn't matter if you are pro-life or pro-choice. Regardless of what you think about a person, or how much you dislike someone, there are some things that should be off-limits when it's just a rumor, especially when there are children involved who could very well read those accusations against their mother.
Thank you, it looks wonderful; we actually are leaving tomorrow and are booked at Sant'Antonio, near Montepulciano.
I read backwards so this has probably been said. According to TT the final two plus 6 helpers were in Orlando so TFW want picked as a helper. Do the final two hand pick their helpers?
My daughter flew to HI by herself when her dad was stationed there when she was 12, I got to go wig her to the gate but she had to transfer flights in CA. Oh an she flew back by herself at the end I the summer
That's where Kan Do Kate comes up short. She won't try. All those platitudes about how strong she is but she is not strong enough to get lost and take an extra hour to get home. She is not strong enough to call a customer service agent and say I need help. Even sadder, her kids aren't learning any of those skills either.
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Oh no, wait!
Kate did an entire blog post about getting lost, in her own neck of the woods, for over an hour (will have to find post to confirm deets), with her kids and their friends in the car, all the while running on FUMES.
GPS and phone apps were apparently too complicated, and she (reportedly) almost ran out of gas trying to drive kids home.
Can you imagine Kate trying to negotiate her way around when we had to use paper maps? Or a AAA TripTik?
Or... going to the library or book store to buy travel guide books to plan?
No interwebs?
Those were the days!
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Crazy, it is I who.should apologize for being flip. Anorexia is indeed a terrible disease.
I do however, think that Kate may have body dysmorphic disorder and is either unaware or purposely ignores the need for proper nutrition.
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Admin said:
I suppose Kate's excuse is I was sheltered as a child. That's nonsense.
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It is nonsense. I was pretty sheltered as a child - not spoiled, but sheltered. My mom is a wonderful, loving sweet lady who probably did more for us kids than she should have, such that when I went to college, I had to learn how to properly do a load of wash! LOL.
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Way to go!
It doesn't take an Act of Congress or God to be able to take on life's challenges. It seems to happen organically for most people.
You just do it.
I have to say, I do wish that when I was schlepping through airports, at some point, I had the opportunity to get pissed off because someone handed me a bonus check for $750.
I think I could endure that tragedy.
I haven't finished reading all the comments but just wanted to add, regarding Robert's writings in his book, Kate did not sue Robert for libel. She sued him for publishing HER writings and private info, etc. Kate filed for copyright of her journal and then sued Robert for copyright. If Robert had published lies about her (abortion, cheating, child abuse, etc) she would have sued him for libel. She didn't.
OrangeCrusher - Your travel to Italy sounds fabulous. Have a wonderful, safe trip. Please come back with lots of descriptions so I can live vicariously through you!
Orange, I just googled your agriturismo. It looks fantastic. Enjoy every moment of it. What a beautiful time of year to go.
I remember all our head scratching over that blog post about almost running out of gas and how she saved the day by finding a station just in time. Um, no, she narrowly avoided disaster by pure chance. Um, no, she actually sounds helpless and disorganized.
We had simple questions like why on earth did she let her gas tank get so low in the first place. Why on earth doesn't she have a general working knowledge of where a gas station is along the major points of your route in a place you have lived in for most of your life? (Hint, there are gas stations at almost every exit, look for the picture) Why on earth didn't she PLAN AHEAD? Why on earth would other parents trust someone so stunted with their children?
By the way, early Easter morning a woman ran out of gas on the 405 freeway in Los Angeles. While she and the other passenger were trying to push the car off the middle of the freeway, another car clipped her, causing her to fly into the air and land in front of another car, which ran her over and killed her. May she RIP.
It's not a laughing matter or blog fodder to screw around with running out of gas, Kate Gosselin. It could mean your life.
I just want to point out to TFW that this is how you win friends and influence people.
@lorenzolamas: The best people in my business! The ones that make folks in front of the camera look their best. Here's to the crew! pic.twitter.com/p94Lthp3by
No, Kate was not anymore sheltered than the rest of us. There are plenty of pap photos of her pumping gas and she apparently is able to navigate quite well to Target, Giant, UPS Store, etc. alone. Without the "entourage" of Steve she is nobody special. I mean, that time she had the cop get her to the local radio station proves she believes herself an entitled celebrity who does not want to be approached on any level. Steve is her wall because, frankly, she does not like people which is totally ironic if you want to be a celebrity. Throw in some basic laziness and the need to control and you end up with Kate and her man servant. And as a bonus, she uses Steve to literally "push ahead" of the mediocre masses, for example, at the concert when they broke in line. I would be willing to bet they are the first to board airplanes too, because, you know, she's special. I am not dismissing she may have some additional disorder as nothing would surprise at this point, though.
In my opinion, if anyone has an abortion, I think that is the ultimate worse thing you can do to a child.
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One reason the topic has always made me uncomfortable is because from what I understand, if she did have an abortion, it was when she was very young. Perhaps even underage. We don't know the pressure she may have been under from her parents. I would never fault a teenager for choosing an abortion either to hide it from parents they are petrified will "kill them" or because a parent insisted on it because you will shame the family or whatever reason. Or if a parent wants to kick them out or make them go off and live with a relative out of town or something. They are just a child themselves, and parents can be very cruel sometimes when their child is pregnant. Just look at Teen Mom. I always felt that Caitlynn's parents were just evil to her about her very mature decision to give her child up for adoption. They made her feel about two feet tall about it, and a nice girl like herself did not deserve such a thing. I have no idea what exactly happened here or IF anything happened, but not knowing even 1% of the facts, I don't think we are in any place to make sweeping statements about right and wrong.
There are plenty of pap photos of her pumping gas and she apparently is able to navigate quite well to Target, Giant, UPS Store, etc. alone.
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It's amazing how quickly those life skills come back to you when there is a gift card burning a hole in your pocket!
Admin, I think that whole story about almost running out of gas was total BS to fill her blog. She has GPS in her car. It will tell you where the nearest gas stations are or her precious iphone. Total BS. That's why CC canned her.
Let's just say that if Kate was indeed pregnant, and not even going there about an abortion, that would prove she fabricated the PCOS.
Admin, I think that whole story about almost running out of gas was total BS to fill her blog. She has GPS in her car. It will tell you where the nearest gas stations are or her precious iphone. Total BS. That's why CC canned her.
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It could have been made up and if that's the case, if you're going to make up a story, at least try to make it interesting. It was like listening to a 15 year old tell a really boring and rambling story that only their other 15 year old friends would care about.
Does it really prove it? Can't fertility problems develop at different stages of your life?
Or what about those people who have been infertile for years and then they stop trying and suddenly get pregnant with a miracle baby, the natural way?
That doesn't prove they were lying about the fertility. That kind of thing just sometimes happens.
Or people who have no problem getting pregnant with their first then just can't get pregnant again. My friend and her brother are adopted after their mom had no problem getting pregnant with their older sister.
I'm not really convinced it proves much of anything other than she was able, at that moment in time, to get pregnant the natural way.
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SCgal said... 16
Kate seems incapable of even the most basic of life's demands.
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I've always thought that Kate had some kind of anxiety disorder. She freaks out at the smallest things.
I think the dependent personality disorder also sounds plausible. ==== I think Kate's an entitled bitch that wants everything handed to her on a silver platter.
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Make that a GOLDEN platter. Kate would never settle for silver. She's special, dontchaknow.
Yesterday I posted some comments from women on a PCOS forum and naturally Kate comes up. Some have been puzzled by her lack of symptoms. Here's what's interesting. A TV producer, with PCOS chimes in about interviewing Kate. Kate admitted she did not have "full-blown" PCOS, thus not all the symptoms. She goes to a fertility doctor and says she does not ovulate so he diagnoses her with PCOS, kind of a catch-all. Sounds to me like Kate went into that fertility doctor's office with an agenda, you know, being a nurse and all. JMO.
Thank you, Rhymes. You are a kind soul.
I agree that Kate is ignorant about proper nutrition. She is completely focused on her quest to attain that cookie-cutter bombshell look. It is pitiable, really, how her unhealthy diet has aged her so dramatically. She just looks haggard now.
Does it really prove it? Can't fertility problems develop at different stages of your life?
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My husband the OB/GYN would say yes. IMHO TFW's fertility 'problems', whatever they were, were greatly exaggerated and somehow she manipulated health care professionals into unwarranted early intervention. Whatever she is, or is not, manipulation is a big part of her persona.
LOL,Kate DID get lost going to Target as related in one of 'her' books! She had to call Jon for directions. She claimed it was because she hadn't been out in 100 years due to the babies, felt disoriented even though she was about a mile from home, and the roads had been redone.
NJGal51 said... 43
I just want to point out to TFW that this is how you win friends and influence people.
@lorenzolamas: The best people in my business! The ones that make folks in front of the camera look their best. Here's to the crew! pic.twitter.com/p94Lthp3by
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It's not a laughing matter or blog fodder to screw around with running out of gas, Kate Gosselin. It could mean your life.
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I ran out of gas on the DC Beltway when I first moved to the area.
I'm lucky to be alive.
I took a different route home as suggested by a co worker. The GW Parkway sounded like a major road- surely there would be gas stations.
Uh, no.
No GPS, no Gas Buddy, no smart phone and I was screwed. I had no idea it's a 8-10 mile stretch of scenic overlook along the Potomac.
The worst thing anyone can do is stay in your car on the shoulder of the road, let alone a major highway.
Get out of your car and seek somewhere, anywhere safer until help arrives.
If Robert had published lies about her (abortion, cheating, child abuse, etc) she would have sued him for libel. She didn't.
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When you think about all of the tabloids that print rumors which may be libel, why didn't she sue all of them for libel if she had proof that they weren't true? She certainly would have had the opportunity. Just because she didn't bring the libel thing into that lawsuit with Robert does not mean that everything in the book was based on fact. I think that she was told she had a much better case with the copyright/hacking complaint than she would have pulling out each thing Robert wrote and then trying to disprove it.
I'm not saying that what Robert wrote wasn't true and based on her journals and e-mails. I'm just thinking that on the advice of her attorneys, she had a much better chance of winning on the other basis of her lawsuit.
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Admin, I think that whole story about almost running out of gas was total BS to fill her blog. She has GPS in her car. It will tell you where the nearest gas stations are or her precious iphone. Total BS. That's why CC canned her.
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I tend to agree- either fabricated or exaggerated.
Now the "Mr. Tow Truck Man" story I believe to have been a cover for buying another luxury car.
Makes sense when you consider the main thrust of Scott's public missive about firing Kate from CC was lack of authenticity.
Concerned Chick said... 39
I haven't finished reading all the comments but just wanted to add, regarding Robert's writings in his book, Kate did not sue Robert for libel. She sued him for publishing HER writings and private info, etc. Kate filed for copyright of her journal and then sued Robert for copyright. If Robert had published lies about her (abortion, cheating, child abuse, etc) she would have sued him for libel. She didn't.
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Kate sued Robert and of course Jon and various DOES for violations of 18U.S.C. 1030, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, concerted tortious actions and invasion of privacy.
http://media.nbcphiladelphia.com/documents/Gosselin+Lawsuit.pdf
That lawsuit was dropped, dismissed, settled, depends on who you ask. Kate then copyrighted her journals and word was (from various unreliable sources) that Kate would sue for copyright infringement which hasn't happened.
One reason the topic has always made me uncomfortable is because from what I understand, if she did have an abortion, it was when she was very young. Perhaps even underage. We don't know the pressure she may have been under from her parents.
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Exactly, admin. I've always been uncomfortable with it, too. It serves no purpose, even if one is calling her out on lying about being infertile. Just because she may have been pregnant, doesn't mean that physical conditions change over time. Moreover, the pregnancy contention has never been proven, and no matter how pro-life one is, or how much one dislikes Kate, to bring this up as a fact is just wrong...and cruel. It serves no purpose. Not only do we not know what the circumstances might have been back then if indeed it did happen (as you pointed out), but we don't even know if the rumor has any basis in fact.
Did she not also write a piece for CC about apps she loved? CC's mobile app was 3rd on the list I believe (I mean, seriously Kate? That was your EMPLOYER'S app for gosh sakes, couldn't make that one your number one favorite app?) That piece I believe included an app that located gas stations. I say piece, not blog, so as to avoid insulting real bloggers.
I tend to believe that the lack of authenticity came down to three things - 1) Someone at CC found that coupon site of hers which had a blog entry on it dated while she was still employed by CC. That's direct competition. Say Wha? She's a doofus. 2) She led them to believe she had all these followers and could raise big bucks for CC's particular charity, especially in one of her marathons. Come the Chicago 1/2 marathon, Kate raised "0" dollars. CC had a whole campaign. She sent maybe one tweet. The rest came from CC. 3) When sent on a blitz tour to sell the new mobile CC app, she barely spoke about it. On the Today Show, Ann Curry even had to remind her.
Any one of these three things would have done it for me as an employer (and I have been one) - whether she was a "consultant" (oh, hahahahah) or actual, on the books, employee. She completely misrepresented herself and her abilities. CC gave her enough rope and she hung her self with it . (not a death reference, a common saying). It was not "haters" that sunk the CC ship for her, it, like always, was she, herself.
Hey, you guys remember when Kate was a guest on that Broadmind Sirrus radio show? Well, there's a comment on Facebook to the shiw's hosts:
Kate, PCOS does not mean you have to use alternative means to get pregnant! I thought you were a nurse!PCOS makes it more difficult to get pregnant, because your body does not always ovulate if the insulin is too high. I have PCOS and was able to get pregnant 3 times, without using Metformin or any medical help. It can be controlled by diet in most cases. It only gets worse as you get older if you do not control your diet. PCOS is a result of your body using insulin in an improper manner(Insulin Resistance). I would hate to be a patient of yours if you were still nursing. I have worked with many women who have PCOS and none of them had to go to extreme measures to get pregnant. Please do not give information out to women who may have PCOS that would make them think they need to go to extreme measures to get pregnant. You have a responsibility to give correct information. I don't know a doctor who would recommend those measure for anyone with PCOS to get pregnant! http://www.
My dad taught me to always keep the tank at 1/2 full (or empty depending on how you look at it). ALWAYS. Of course, I had a ready gas source as a teen - my grandmother owned a small deli with 2 pumps out front :) AND I knew how to turn them on.
When I married, my husband said the same thing. 1/2 tank. (my free gas source was long gone by then). He explained that running out of gas did very bad things to your engine, very bad. IF TFW has a habit of doing this (and I do not know if she does) no wonder little used Audi died on the side of the road. Buried in a tweet somewhere she indicated she needed a 4 door. That a new car was NECESSARY. It wasn't. It was a WANT. If you can afford it, why not. Just freakin' OWN it as a want.
My DD and her family live in a major big city with wonderful public transportation. Buses, trains and lots and lots of taxis. My DD walks everywhere, including work. Would they like a car? Sure. Can they afford one including parking expenses? Sure. It's a want. Do they need a car? No. TWF has two vehicles that fit her needs. The sports car is fun extra vehicle. Pure and simple.
I'll lay odds her "friend" in that piece was Steve.
Oh, and I live on the edge and wait until I have 1/4 tank. Unless it's spring/summer then I really live dangerously and wait until the little light comes on.
Tucker's Mom, I have to disagree with your statement about getting out of the car. I carry a "Call police" sign that I would put in my rear window if I had car trouble. Staying in your car, doors locked and seat belt on is what I've heard law enforcement recommend. Out of your car and you're exposed to the elements, wildlife, other drivers (while you vacate the vehicle) not to mention potential rapists, psychos etc. Not meaning to be paranoid, but stuff happens. I've seen too many cases, one just recent and local, where someone died because they exited their vehicle. I'd be interested in what others thought of this topic. I'm sure we all have stories to tell.
PJ
Here's a thought: I hope Steve has been snipped if they are having an affair.
http://www.examiner.com/article/jon-and-kate-plus-8-have-we-been-sold-a-bill-of-goods
The rumors are that Kate refused to wait the standard amount of time before seeking out such invasive fertility methods. I know my OB-GYN would not intervene with fertility medication until after 6 months of trying and only used prescription Clomid (taken orally) after that 6 months. Invasive infertility methods such as invitro and IUI, like Kate Gosselin had, would not even be entertained by most OBs for at least a year, a year and half. Furthermore, not everyone with PCOS, a condition Kate claimed to have, is unable to conceive. She has admited on the show that she wanted children now and wasn't going to wait and even admits to rapidly speeding up the process.
It would be interesting to find out if Kate took birth control at all between after her sextuplets. If she took birth control anytime during her marriage to Jon Gosselin, we might have the evidence we need to break this rumor wide open.
I agree that Kate is ignorant about proper nutrition. She is completely focused on her quest to attain that cookie-cutter bombshell look.
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this comment reminded me of this funny commentary that struck a chord with me.
http://diaryofadomesticgoddess.wordpress.com/2010/11/25/gillian-mckeith-vs-nigella-lawson/
I've always thought that Kate had some kind of anxiety disorder. She freaks out at the smallest things.
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I don't think she has anxiety - my youngest is diagnosed with generalized anxiety, and while he does tend to get worked up over "small " things, it becomes terrifying for him. TFW gets worked up over small things because she wants things her way - very different.
People with anxiety truly fear for their well being when it hits.
Tucker's Mom said:
The worst thing anyone can do is stay in your car on the shoulder of the road, let alone a major highway.
Get out of your car and seek somewhere, anywhere safer until help arrives.
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I would definitely hate to break down on the side of a busy highway. I had a friend who was seriously injured when she and her husband stopped because they saw another vehicle on the side of the road. They pulled off onto the shoulder and her husband got out of the car to go offer assistance. In the meantime, some other driver on the road, possibly looking to see what was going on, swerved off the roadway and sideswiped my friend's vehicle, causing her to be fairly seriously injured.
I think it's always risky when you break down, whether it be a quiet country road or a busy highway. If I were on a busy highway, I would probably get out of my car and try to get as far up onto the shoulder and away from traffic as possible, and use my cell phone to call for help.
On a quiet or deserted road - that is where I would have to weigh my options more carefully. Stay seated and obviously alone in my vehicle while waiting for assistance to arrive? Or get out and start walking, also alone and perhaps in an area that is unknown to me? Tough call. Even sitting in my locked car - all anyone has to do is pick up a rock and bust my window. It gives the illusion of safety but not the reality. The good news (that gets forgotten sometimes because bad news gets more airtime) is that most people who would stop to help have good intentions. I might not get out of my vehicle and accept a ride, but I would ask them to wait with me while help arrived.
I have been fortunate to own vehicles that were very reliable and I kept them maintained. But anyone can have a flat tire or unexpected mechanical difficulty. Now that I am older, one thing I do much less often is drive alone at night.
TLC Stinks, bite your tongue. Ewwwwww...
I personally believe that TFW made up the whole PCOS thing because she wanted multiples. Unfortunately, I think she wanted multiples because they're just so cute, as she would screech. I don't think she thought much beyond they'll be so cute. She didn't think that kids take work and have needs and wants. Ever hear those stories about teenagers who have babies because they don't feel loved and a baby will always love them? That's her.
Here's what's interesting. A TV producer, with PCOS chimes in about interviewing Kate. Kate admitted she did not have "full-blown" PCOS, thus not all the symptoms. She goes to a fertility doctor and says she does not ovulate so he diagnoses her with PCOS, kind of a catch-all. Sounds to me like Kate went into that fertility doctor's office with an agenda, you know, being a nurse and all. JMO.
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What stuck out like a sore thumb, to me anyways is how she pretty much backpedalled when the interviewer said she ALSO had PCOS.
In all the years we've been following tfw, how many times was PCOS a topic of discussion for her? Bed rest, diapers, tired, meal prep, laundry, travel etc., but she didn't milk that particular sympathy card? Seems like that would be right up her alley? no? Wonder why that is?
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Agreed. Furthermore, that decision is a very personal one and I would never judge another woman for making that decision. I can only know what is in my own heart and what my own health and life situation may say is for the best, for me. I would never presume to tell another woman what is the right decision for her in this regard.
April 22, 2014 at 10:11 PM
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Thank you, it looks wonderful; we actually are leaving tomorrow and are booked at Sant'Antonio, near Montepulciano.
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OC - you are already off on your trip, so I'm wishing you a belated "Happy Trip!" It sounds wonderful :)
PJ, we have to agree to disagree on this one.
I've seen too many stories of people killed, kids and all, because they remained in the vehicle.
Oh, btw, while I sat on the shoulder of the freaking Beltway, with cars whizzing by, shaking my car one by one, with my BLINKERS ON, not ONE cop stopped.
Many, many passed.
Nice.
I mean no disrespect, but this is what I would do and would recommend.
That, and maybe a gun?
TLC stinks said... 67
Here's a thought: I hope Steve has been snipped if they are having an affair.
April 23, 2014 at 9:34 AM
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Huh? No way!
And miss the Holy Grail of media tours?
The Miraculous Conception Tour.
Coming soon to a church near you.
Movie and book options pending.
I like that, "dependent personality disorder." Sounds like a medical term for "user." TFW has used many people in her quest for fame. The worse group she has "depended" upon are her children.
I've always thought that Kate had some kind of anxiety disorder. She freaks out at the smallest things.
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I also don't believe it's an anxiety disorder. She does it for attention.
Well, I have scoured the forums for info on PCOS and it's been quite informative. I can't even remember why I got so involved, but the internet is a gold mine. Anyway, a reproductive endocrinologist (RE) would in the majority of cases when using Clomid and IUI, skip IUI if, there were four mature follicles considering selective reduction was totally off the table. HOM's were a high possibility considering she already had twins proving the procedure works for her. I mean these were not cysts that formed but follicles with eggs and here's a couple who say they only want one more. This is why it's been such a topic on these boards by women who have struggled with infertility and know the routine. And when you read Kate's book, it's actually murky. She says they proceeded with the IUI (insemination); everything I have read said the doctor cancelled the IUI, which is what any responsible physician would have done if you are opposed to selective reduction and only want ONE child. But Jon and Kate had sex anyway. I mean, that sounds like a Kate demand, you know, it's in God's hands so let's go for it. What's the truth? We'll never know from the doctor, but I bet my bottom dollar there was some type of review of what happened.
Sounds like a medical term for "user."
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lol, exactly
Guess there just aren't any plain old a**holes anymore, they've got a disorder of some sort.
Happy Administrator's Day, to Admin and staff!
We had a few fatalities here over the winter when drivers got out of their vehicles to help others during bad weather. One man was killed on an embankment when he got out of his car to wait for help to arrive. Another was afraid that if he waited in his car, another vehicle would have crashed into him, so he figured he'd get out of his car and wait by the side of the road. A truck hit him there and killed him.
It's a tough call. Each situation is different. Sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Lanc Native said:
It's a tough call. Each situation is different. Sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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Yup. I guess there is no one best choice - only the best choice a person can make in the individual circumstances. And it might not hurt to cross your fingers for good luck!
Vanessa said... 69
this comment reminded me of this funny commentary that struck a chord with me.
http://diaryofadomesticgoddess.wordpress.com/2010/11/25/gillian-mckeith-vs-nigella-lawson/
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Thanks for sharing this, Vanessa. Nigella it is!!
But Jon and Kate had sex anyway. I mean, that sounds like a Kate demand, you know, it's in God's hands so let's go for it. What's the truth? We'll never know from the doctor, but I bet my bottom dollar there was some type of review of what happened.
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If the doctor is on hospital staff, you bet there was an M&M, because this is was unsuccessful outcome.
If he practices independently, probably no peer review.
I was reading about the times some posted about getting out of cars after accidents etc. It reminded me of one in our area. There are 2 high bridges 2 lanes each over a railroad track in a near by city. There was an accident on it. A guy was out of his car and jumped over the guard rail to get out of the way. He was not local and didn't know that there was nothing there and fell 70 ft to tracks below. He did live but I am sure it took a long time for recovery.
Kate's possible pregnancy and termination has been discussed her many, many times.
By and large, there has been no judgement on Kate IF she terminated a pregnancy.
There has, to my recollection, which goes way back, no tsk-tsking, no shaming, no finger waggling and no condemnation to Hell.
No.
What we have been saying is that if this is true, it's the LIE that we do all of the above, and then some.
The LIE, the MANIPULATION and the invoking of Kate's very transient Christian values to defraud thousands.
In fact, I can give a hoot if she did or didn't terminate a pregnancy.
It happens and we shouldn't stand in judgement as we were never in her shoes.
I do give a hoot if she manipulated her way into multiples, and then used them to fool people for fame and money.
This is why I believe, this question is still salient.
I have a strong feeling that someday, we will know the truth, because Kate's ability to suppress the voices of people who know the truth about her will not last forever.
The Miraculous Conception Tour.
Coming soon to a church near you.
Movie and book options pending. 77
I get where you're coming from, but I don't think she'd allow her "perfect body" to undergo another pregnancy.
Ingrid said... 87
I was reading about the times some posted about getting out of cars after accidents etc. It reminded me of one in our area. There are 2 high bridges 2 lanes each over a railroad track in a near by city. There was an accident on it. A guy was out of his car and jumped over the guard rail to get out of the way. He was not local and didn't know that there was nothing there and fell 70 ft to tracks below. He did live but I am sure it took a long time for recovery.
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Reminds me of the Chesapeake Bay Bridge- gives me the willies on so many levels!
Rhymes with Witch said... 89
I get where you're coming from, but I don't think she'd allow her "perfect body" to undergo another pregnancy.
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However, another surgery...well, that might be another story.
@TamaraTattles: Celebrity Apprentice Filming is over! http://tamaratattles.com/2014/04/22/celebrity-apprentice-spoilers-2014-through-the-final-task/ And I have an update changing the final two !
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Here's the latest on CA and still no mention of TFW being on either team for the final challenge. LMAO!
I get where you're coming from, but I don't think she'd allow her "perfect body" to undergo another pregnancy.
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That is a very good point. Where would her belly button go from there?
http://diaryofadomesticgoddess.wordpress.com/2010/11/25/gillian-mckeith-vs-nigella-lawson/ 69
This reminded me.of Julia Child, who said something to the effect of if people are afraid of butter, tell them to use cream
Oh my goodness! President Obama had a meal at Jiro's Sochi restaurant in Tokyo, and I knew about Jiro from watching the documentary I read about here! jiro dreams of sushi!
This blog is so informative and educational! Thank you admin!
Frankly, I don't think Kate ever had any intention of winning CA nor do I think Burnett and Trump planned on her being the winner. She got what she wanted - a paycheck to keep her going for a year or two, the chance to be on talk shows to promote CA when it airs and a paid trip away from her kids and mundane life and time with Steve.
So frankly, Kate got exactly what she wanted. So the fact that she didn't win CA and wasn't asked to come back and help on the finale isn't just desserts, at least in my book.
I have to agree, I don't see Kate wanting to have another baby, even if it was Steve's. She's spent too much money to make herself look the way she wants (or the way he wantsh to look. And she's 39. In 8 more years the kids will be off to college or whatever and she'll only be 47. Plenty of time to be with Steve, provided he hasn't traded her in for a younger model.
What a sweet little boy!
http://whnt.com/2014/04/22/boy-8-spends-300-saved-for-ps4-to-buy-smoke-detectors-instead/
Ha,ha. Maybe Steve is fertile and that's what she really wants: a show about them trying to have "just one more". Run, Steve, run as fast as you can.
I agree Tucker's Mom, she can't suppress people's voices forever.
kate can suppress all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but kate cannot suppress all of the people all the time.
You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
P.T. Barnum
She got what she wanted - a paycheck to keep her going for a year or two...----I don't think the paycheck she got from CA will keep her going for a year or two. They pay between $16 and $25K for the entire time (not per episode). It's supposed to be about their charity and getting their face out there again (which is why the pay is so little).
Lukebandit, I was thinking some of the early confidentially agreements have got to be running out by now. I am not an attorney and I do realize that end of the agreement terms depend on how the CA was written. But, still, there has to be some people who are no longer restrained by the agreements and are willing to spill the beans.
One thing that has stuck me in my travels to the U.S. is that you don't seem to have much in the way of shoulders on roads. In my area, there are usually really wide shoulders to pull off the road, most of the time. I've done some driving in PA and NY, among other states and sometimes there's only a little bit of grass for a shoulder on major highways. I guess I hope I never have to make the decision as to whether to stay in my car or get away from it. I'm glad this subject came up. I think I could use a refresher. Here's what AAA has to say:
http://exchange.aaa.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/AAA-What-To-Do-When-Your-Vehicle-Breaks-Down.pdf
PJ
I had PCOD and it was discovered at age 21. I had to have a Wedge Resection which was considered major surgery . They cut me from one hip bone to the other and removed the middle of each ovary and stitching the ends together with hopes that they had left enough for me to get pregnant down the road. I was told PCOD is not about ovulation. I was ovulating every month but the eggs were attaching themselves to my ovaries instead of traveling down the fallopian tube to be fertilized, or not fertilized. Each egg that attached itself to my ovary instead of traveling down the fallopian tube resulted in a missed period. Missed periods was the only symptom I had. That's why when they discovered my PCOD, my ovaries that should have been the size of almonds, were the size of grapefruits.
When I got married years later and wanted children I tried unsuccessfully for two years before they put me on Clomid which resulted in a pregnancy 3 months later. Just one exceptionally large baby for me. My doctor told me IUI would be considered after a year of treatment with the drug Clomid. I don't think Kate's telling the whole story.
If tfw did win the Wedding Dress challenge, then was her Charity mentioned anywhere?
I have read that TFW wanted multiples after she read about the ones in Iowa (7). Also read that TFW carried around the book written by the mom in Iowa all the time. Her idea was not original. The Gosselins are just so very lucky that all of the six are in great shape. The ones in Iowa were not so fortunate. Two of the seven have cp. It is true that the family in Iowa did receive handouts at first that included a large new home, but it didn't take long for Dad to need to go to a real job and I have read that Mom works a real job at least part-time. Real people in Iowa; want to be a star person in PA!
kate can suppress all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but kate cannot suppress all of the people all the time.
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Depending on how some of those CAs were written, then yes, she could. I've seen some of them that never expire -- the ones who sign them are under the agreement for the duration of their lifetime. We don't know how they were written, but knowing her, nothing would surprise me. If they are broken, I have no doubt with her "can we sue" attitude, she'd hop right on there and do just that.
That is a very good point. Where would her belly button go from there?
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lol!! A third nipple, maybe? The more the merrier.
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She got what she wanted - a paycheck to keep her going for a year or two...----I don't think the paycheck she got from CA will keep her going for a year or two. They pay between $16 and $25K for the entire time (not per episode). It's supposed to be about their charity and getting their face out there again (which is why the pay is so little). +++++++++++ I think Kate has big bucks saved she just cry's poor. Kate wants to be a big star not going to happen for an ex reality star that had her show canceled 3 years ago.
The woman shows up on a real television show maybe once or twice a year. If this is the only real show she gets this year, her 16,000 salary or 25k or whatever it is (by all accounts it's low), will actually be BELOW the poverty line. I find that so ironic, since she said she needed to do t.v. to support her family. She could actually support them much better with just a regular job. Many people on T.V. just make normal salaries. Jon and Kate certainly weren't making much in the beginning. It's only the big stars who are able to make and keep making the big bucks. It's ridiculous to bank on this lifestyle for support of eight children. Jon was right, it is not a career. He wasn't trying to insult actors or people in the business, he was just saying this is not realistic for their situation. Just getting the job in the first place is an issue, and once you do, there's no guarantee you'll make what you need to make to support your family. Apparently she has never heard of starving actors.
My narcissist would work for next to nothing sometimes just to keep her resume current. Is Kate prepared to do that, and how does that help her children? N could afford to do it because there were millions sitting in the bank carefully saved over four decades. Can Kate?
The woman shows up on a real television show maybe once or twice a year. If this is the only real show she gets this year, her 16,000 salary or 25k or whatever it is (by all accounts it's low), will actually be BELOW the poverty line
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True, but don't you think that she figures that each of these "small" gigs will lead to better and bigger things? This is just a stepping stone to another job, then to another one, and I guess she thinks that every little bit counts. She can't plan ahead...never could. She'll be getting after her team to hunt down another "job" that pays another 16 grand or so, and I would believe for her anything on television that puts her face out there and brings in some money is certainly better than going back to a mediocre nursing career. She is convinced that there always will be something coming her way. Just so she doesn't get the lame idea to write another cookbook!
Kim said, "She got what she wanted - a paycheck to keep her going for a year or two...----I don't think the paycheck she got from CA will keep her going for a year or two. They pay between $16 and $25K for the entire time (not per episode). It's supposed to be about their charity and getting their face out there again (which is why the pay is so little). +++++++++++ I think Kate has big bucks saved she just cry's poor. Kate wants to be a big star not going to happen for an ex reality star that had her show canceled 3 years ago."
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Question from a tech dummy:
I noticed in this post, as well in a few others (KL, Meg) that the "spacer" or separator is in the middle of the paragraph, either in the +++++ form or the ===== form -------or whatever. Is this due to the device used to post, or does blogger get kind of buggy sometimes? It's just kind of hard to read...
Of course, after a few Rumspringas or Rumrunners, I get a bit discombobulated sometimes.
London 104. I had the exact same PCOD and surgery. To complicate matters I have negative blood and my husband has positive blood so after the second miscarriage my new OB/GYN gave me a RhoGam injection. After that, a year later we had success with the delivery of a son. Doctors are not that eager to go the route Kate went right off the bat without trying other avenues first. She is so full of it.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 110
My narcissist would work for next to nothing sometimes just to keep her resume current. Is Kate prepared to do that, and how does that help her children? N could afford to do it because there were millions sitting in the bank carefully saved over four decades. Can Kate?
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Jon said she was sitting on a pile of money and I believe him. My guess is when Steve took over as her manager he had her contract renegotiated for even bigger bucks. J&K+8 brought in millions for TLC so they probably took a chance on Kate Plus 8 postulating it might do the same. Idiots that they are.
These ocassional tv appearances she does are what she likes to call piecing and patching, but I'm sure it just goes into her petty cash or fun money account. Like your narcissist, Kate also just loves to see her stinking face on tv.
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Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 110
My narcissist would work for next to nothing sometimes just to keep her resume current. Is Kate prepared to do that, and how does that help her children? N could afford to do it because there were millions sitting in the bank carefully saved over four decades. Can Kate?
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radar online reported Kate was sitting on 5 million big ones...
radar online reported Kate was sitting on 5 million big ones...
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Yeah cause Radar has it right so much! :)
I believe that when the show was said and done she probably had a few million in the bank. Five million, no, don't buy it.
What is plausible is that she made good investments at a time when the market was down, and capitalized on the stock market boom of the past few years. I think she also had TLC taking care of all her legal fees. There's no dispute she has plenty of money to be able to go in there and buy fancy cars, pay a fancy mortgage, and send her children to fancy schools, and hire fancy attorneys to file frivolous lawsuits. But with all the constant expenses she has, it can't go like this forever and I think some of the things she has lowered herself to participate in is evidence the money situation is starting to dwindle now.
I think we can pretty mcuh say her nursing career is a wash. She'll never go back to it and you know, it might be a blessing. Knowing what we know about her now, would anyone really want her to be their nurse? With my last breath I would fight to keep her at bay with a ten-foot IV pole.
So the consensus by the ladies who suffer from PCOS is that most doctors would never start such aggressive treatment for such a young woman as Kate in such a short period of time of trying to conceive. Someone suggested, and it makes sense to me, that Jon's father could have called in a favor. We'll never know, and it never occurred to me except that the medical community is tight. Years ago I worked at a hospital (administrative) and I could call in a favor very easily for an appointment, test, whatever. I think she bulldozed her way into some aggressive fertility treatments for both pregnancies. She went through three doctors until she hit pay dirt. Literally.
Oh another thing. Those who suffer from PCOS have wondered why Kate never became a spokesperson about it. I think she has been vague because the devil is in the details. Or maybe there's no money in it for her.
TLC stinks said... 118
Someone suggested, and it makes sense to me, that Jon's father could have called in a favor. We'll never know, and it never occurred to me except that the medical community is tight.
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That certainly isn't beyond the realm of possibilities. If Kate can snag a favor or a freebie she will. I'm sure the lightbulb went off over her head when someone told her Jon was a dentist's son that's why the push to be introduced to him so quickly. Visions of dollars signs and free dental must have danced in her head on the spot. Then later on she literally hatched her HOM plan. I just don't doubt anything about her scheming ways.
Someone suggested, and it makes sense to me, that Jon's father could have called in a favor.
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Where is this coming from? Was there something mentioned about it in Robert's book, or is this just something that someone threw out there for whatever reason?
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lol!! A third nipple, maybe? The more the merrier!
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Hahahaha! But, Blowing, she must get the approval of the Mr. Breast Implant Size Man, first! It will compete with the others, and will have to be placed in the perfect place for maximum affect to please the over THE TOP ADVISOR! BWAAHHAHAWHAHA!
Blowing, Amy2, I know the CA agreements. Unless she went rogue, Scientology rogue, they make them sign CA agreements for not only life, but for 1 Billion years! I wouldn't put it past the CA clown to make it forever.
What I don't understand if people signed a CA agreement and then saw abuse of the kids by her, they are void and null and you can be protected and not bound by them, IIRC. They would have whistleblower protection, also, IIRC. I wonder if people who signed them wanted to speak up and she found out and really threatened to sue them for every penny they had, they just kept quiet, if this happened and still happens.
I remember the Warren Commission Report on JFK's assassination is locked up from 1963 for 75 years. The 50th anniversary was last year. We have 25 years to go. Jackie locked up the dress that she had on that day with Jacks blood on it and it will not be shown until 2103? 140 years, family wishes.
Why would Jon's father need to call in a favor? They already had twins. I think that theory is just more throw it against the wall and see if it sticks. I'm sure some will run with it as if it is the gospel truth though.
Awww qtip I will miss you:
@JustTheQTip: Just got home. Been up since 3am. I can't believe I was in Florida this morning. Passing out and alarm set for 5AM for the last day of this!
Doesn't a patient have a lot of say in their treatment? If a doctor says these are the treatment options but I recommend a less invasive method, can't a patient say no I want the most aggressive treatment plan?
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Doesn't a patient have a lot of say in their treatment? If a doctor says these are the treatment options but I recommend a less invasive method, can't a patient say no I want the most aggressive treatment plan?
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Patients always have a say in their treatment plan and should be the most important member of their own medical team. Ultimately, it's the patient's right to choose their own plan of care, HOWEVER, they can not force a provider to give more aggressive treatment then the provider recommends or feels is safe. If the patient doesn't like any of the options that the provider offers, they can always choose to seek care someplace. Think of it like this- just because a patient demands that his doctor give him morphine for the pain from a paper cut, doesn't mean that the doctor has to give it to him.
Very upset at Joan Rivers.
CLEVELAND, Ohio – A defiant Joan Rivers, when reached by The Plain Dealer Wednesday, refused to apologize for statements comparing her reality show with her daughter to the captivity of three women held for a decade in the Seymour Avenue home of Ariel Castro.
On The Today Show on Tuesday, Rivers talked with hosts about the WEtv series “Joan and Melissa: Joan Knows Best?’’ They discussed their living arrangements.
“Those women in the basement in Cleveland had more room,’’ Rivers said.
The comment prompted a sharp response from the attorneys of Gina DeJesus and Amanda Berry, who escaped last year from the home where Castro tortured them and a third woman, Michelle Knight. Berry and DeJesus’ attorneys said Rivers had hit “a new low’’ and sought an apology. An attorney for Knight could not be reached.
Rivers, in a phone interview with The Plain Dealer, refused to take back the words.
“I’m a comedienne,’’ she said. “I know what those girls went through. It was a little, stupid joke. There is nothing to apologize for. I made a joke. That’s what I do. Calm down. Calm f------ down. I’m a comedienne. They’re free, so let’s move on.’’
How evil, cruel, vile, sad and hurtful! She doesn't deserve the job description of a comedienne. She was talking about the size of Castro's house compared to her daughter, Melissa. Now, she refuses to apologize. Unbelievable.
When kate was hospitalized for her ovaries being overstimulated, when she got out, didn't her fertility doctor TELL her NOT to have relations? He knew she would make a lot of babies right then and she wouldn't reduce. She took care of that right away and had 6 babies.
There would be no way she would be my nurse. She was a dialysis nurse. Everyone I talk to at the clinic can't stand her. Her rep is ruined as a dialysis nurse. The FA (Facility Admin) where I go, me and him are like this: fingers crossed! haha She would be gone.
There is a nurse now that I have just got about fired. Don't worry, very good reasons. Hateful, belittling, nosy, placed orders about me she wasn't suppose to with out FA's approval, blew my HIPPA out of the water 2 times. I am not the only one who is complaining. She will have to go back to the hospital to diaz people and I will not have her do mine! What makes it worse is that she dresses like the old school Church of God, with old school RN, she is COG. All she needs is the cap with the gold pin on it. White stockings, white ortho shoes. When I see her when I get there, I say oh Lord, the COG is here. One of the girls that takes me calls her MT. Mother Teresa's here.
Foxy 113 ... We must have been separated at birth. I have O-neg blood along with a positive husband. I had the shot too. It's like injecting peanut butter and takes forever. Never had a shot so painful. Also had to have a blood transfusion after my first . Yes ... Doctors have a protocol they follow for almost everyone. One would also think that having already given birth to twins they would have more reason to follow the usual standard of care regarding clomid and IUI.
Didn't I read somewhere that Kate's ovaries were overstimulated and she was to told to abstain from sex but went home and sex anyway resulting in her birth of multiples. Not sure if that's an accurate fact or not.
Joan Rivers has reached that age in life where all the filters are gone. She doesn't know where to draw the line anymore.
Joan Rivers has been thru hell and back. She's paid her dues, granted she was never kidnapped and held in a basement. I would suggest if you are offended by her, change the channel. She has TONS of fans, most of them of the LGBTQ group. Offensive is her schtick. She's not going anywhere.
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I'm thinking she found a doctor who complied with her agenda. Look at Cat Woman, Michael Jackson, Elvis, Anna Nicole Smith, Octomom.
The comment about Jon's dad calling in a favor was just something someone threw out there on a PCOS forum. When you're in a small medical community, everyone knows everyone and their reputation. I took the comment in regards to first pregnancy. Highly unusual for such quick deep dive into fertility treatment for a young couple like Jon and Kate.
Joan Rivers is not now, nor has she ever been funny. Probably why she is stuck hurling insults on a "fashion" show on E. Her comments concerning the Ohio kidnapping victims was vile and beyond disgusting.
I am curious and it's not my business, about Kate's finances. If CA pays $16-25K, that would merely graze her expenses of tuition and home maintenance for a short while. I guess she still has a lot in savings/investments. I get the feeling she got good financial advice (the spending her own bad idea) because she seems to have done ok without really working all this time.No piecing and patching or purse full of bills.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 40m
Good spring morning.... Alls well here... And warming up! Yay! #LoveSpringtime
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It's all's, Kate. Because you're saying "all is" well.
This sounds like the tweet of someone who got fired from CA and now has to just sit around twiddling their thumbs until it's over and they can tweet again for real. Baw-haha.
This was the timeline in Multiple Blessings. She hammered away at Jon for months to undergo fertility treatments and have another baby. Jon finally caved and agreed to a try of three cycles. When he agreed she immediately made an appointment with a different fertility specialist in Wyomissing instead of her previous doctor. Apparently she must have planned and checked this new doctor out before Jon agreed. Odd that she would not return to the original doctor although in the book she says it's because he was in Allentown.
That first cycle treatment failed. No explanation as to whether there were no mature follicles or there were two many. She does not say this in the book, but in an interview says they then changed doctors after the unsuccessful cycle. HMMM.
She makes it sound in the book that she went through three cycles with the same doctor. She says she was injected with HCG and then artificially inseminated. She says a home pregnacy test confirmed she was pregnant.
She continued working and attended her sister's wedding in pain. She ended up in the hospital with overstimulated ovaries (they swelled and fluid had to be drained). She says in the book the doctors knew she had a positive pregnancy test. Her HCG levels were very high. They did an ultrasound. There were seven embryonic sacs and they detected four fetuses. The doctor recommended selective reduction.
So all I have read is that excerpt online. Questions: you would think the selective reduction question would have already been addressed before starting treatment? The ovarian hyper stimulation occurred after she was pregnant. How often was she monitored with ultrasounds? She had four mature follicles but nonetheless they opted to proceed to have her ovulate and get pregnant knowing there was the great chance of HOM's.
Here's what I think. I do not know if the story is true that she and Jon ignored the doctor about cancelling the cycle with the four mature follicles and had sex ( you are supposed to wait). The vast, vast majority if doctors would cancel, particularly if selective reduction was not an option. I believe Kate shopped around for a doctor to get her pregnant with multiples. I believe she nagged, lied and bullied Jon into returning to fertility treatments. I believe she was incorrectly diagnosed with PCOS or at the very least has a very mild form of it and could have conceived naturally by controlling her diet. And I suspect Beth Carson figured out the truth while working on the book, a pack of lies, so she let Kate take all the glory and credit and just walked away rather than have to endure media interviews.
Someone just tweeted that Kate was on her TSA line...Is she just getting back from CA. I thought she got fired? Maybe she went on a vaca with steve and shacked up. Shes not home at all. Shes at the airport....if this girl is correct.
Hey, TFW, you know where it's already warm? Orlando.
So now will she pick up where she left off with the tweeties as if nothing ever happened? Of course she will, because she can get away with it. And any fan who mistakes that for a friendship deserves the lousy treatment they get.
Ha, ha. I knew she was not home. I vote for vacay with Steve.
Re CA , IIRC, all of the contestants come back for the finale show where a winner is selected. It provides for filler, they chat a little about each contestant and each one has chance to say a few words.
Re Joan Rivers, I have great admiration for her. She made a joke in bad taste. She makes lots of jokes in bad taste! I saw a documentary about her couple years ago, she works hard, she has supported a charity that provides meals and food to people with HIV and has for years. I really like her. You don't have to like everything she says.
Kate's in a TSA line? To go to/from NYC? Makes no sense.
Do all the CA cast come back at the end?
Poor kids, either way.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 40m
Good spring morning.... Alls well here... And warming up! Yay! #LoveSpringtime
Huh? It was in the low 30s last night and early this morning. We're supposed to have a "real feel" of 22 tonight. It's in the 40s right now. Is she at home? I haven't seen her out and about, but who knows?
"If CA pays $16-25K, that would merely graze her expenses of tuition and home maintenance for a short while."
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That $16,000 might cover some taxes, pool service and landscaping costs for a year, but that's about it.
Someone just tweeted that Kate was on her TSA line...Is she just getting back from CA. I thought she got fired? Maybe she went on a vaca with steve and shacked up. Shes not home at all. Shes at the airport....if this girl is correct.
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The person who wrote that is an NPR reporter and is at one of the airports in the D.C. region (where she lives) preparing to fly out west. I'm sure she was correct.
She also had to pay a full time nanny and other people to run the house during that time, so that's going to take a huge chunk out of that 16,000. Quite frankly if she is paying fairly, all or almost all of it. She broke even.
The person who wrote that is an NPR reporter and is at one of the airports in the D.C. region (where she lives) preparing to fly out west. I'm sure she was correct.
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REALLY. Well that's to be trusted. D.C. eh? Maybe she relaxed at Steve's for the past couple weeks? There it's spring.
When kate was hospitalized for her ovaries being overstimulated, when she got out, didn't her fertility doctor TELL her NOT to have relations?
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Was she hospitalized for that, and for what reason?
maybe after she was fired she didn't come directly home and went somewhere because she's been too quiet on twitter the last few days. Or who knows if shes home NOW. She is the biggest freakin liar on planet earth. I hope Steve got......Oh forget it...
Maybe she's flying from NYC to her long weekend vacay with Steve or she and Steve have been on a vacay and flew into NYC? There is no way she'd fly from her home to or from NYC. You're right.
Re Joan Rivers, I have great admiration for her. She made a joke in bad taste. She makes lots of jokes in bad taste! I saw a documentary about her couple years ago, she works hard, she has supported a charity that provides meals and food to people with HIV and has for years
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So? Doesn't give her a free pass to make a life out of insulting and degrading others.
The person who wrote that is an NPR reporter and is at one of the airports in the D.C. region (where she lives) preparing to fly out west. I'm sure she was correct.
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D.C. going to Cali?
Holy shit.
Unless she's got all 8 kids in tow and is taking them on vacation.
Otherwise, holy shit.
D.C.? WTF.....I thought she wasn't home. And now shes going out west??? Wheres her kids? Did she abandon them? She certainly IS mother of the year...
Joan said... 130
Joan Rivers has been thru hell and back. She's paid her dues,
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Dues to whom? Her family? The entertainment industry? And that gives her an excuse to be offensive? Who thinks like that?
Comedienne or not, when you find the tragedy of others as being funny and make a "little joke" about it, there's something really wrong. You need to look at the situation and see it for what it is. There's a difference between being sarcastic in the name of comedy and being insensitive. I don't think that she's ever matured enough to know the difference. She's washed up, a has-been, and it seems like she's grasping at straws right now to stay relevant, even if it means throwing out insulting and controversial jabs.
If Kate's going to California from D.C., she's most likely at Dulles.
That is not convenient from her home in PA.
She's so with Steve.
Maybe she starts her promotion of her TLC "special" in June. She must be in seventh heaven.
Oh, geez...another foot fetish person. I looked at the TL. Why do Kate's feet attract these people? :)
Shoeshiner @_shoeshiner 11m
@Kateplusmy8 do you like high heels?????
I'm starting to think maybe Kate was not home for Easter and someone else took the photos.
No bragging about her cooking or billion Easter egg hunt?
I'm starting to think maybe Kate was not home for Easter and someone else took the photos.
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I thought that when I saw them, but I couldn't prove anything. It was one of those gut feelings.
The NPR person said she was in the TSA line AT the airport in DC, which means she was going out of DC, not in, unless you're flying internationally. I'm guessing she's been putting her feet up at Steve's the past few weeks, now it's off for her vacation to recover from her hard work. She had to plan it for now in case she made it to the end of filming. Can you imagine getting a nice little getaway vacation after every four week job at work?
Over In TFW's County said... 153
Joan said... 130
Joan Rivers has been thru hell and back. She's paid her dues,
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Dues to whom? Her family? The entertainment industry? And that gives her an excuse to be offensive? Who thinks like that?
Comedienne or not, when you find the tragedy of others as being funny and make a "little joke" about it, there's something really wrong
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I agree.
Joan is a strong woman and I admire her for pulling herself up by the boot straps after her husband committed suicide.
It's not, however, a free ride to ridicule, and make a joke at the expense of, these women who suffered beyond what I could ever, ever possibly comprehend.
It's mean.
It's glib.
Most of all, it re-victimizes these women.
Rivers committed a horribly act of cruelty, which I highly doubt, anyone with a soul, thought funny.
I think if Rivers doesn't apologize, she is done.
Even suicide survivors have lines they shouldn't cross.
Surviving suicide is a lot of things, but one of them is not, and should not be, entitlement.
It wouldn't surprise me whatsoever if Kate thought she deserved a vacation after working (I use that term loosely) on CA.
She had to have a vacation in Vegas at the Four Season or Ritz Carlton dangled in front of her to get her on that RV trip.
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Someone just tweeted that Kate was on her TSA line...Is she just getting back from CA. I thought she got fired? Maybe she went on a vaca with steve and shacked up. Shes not home at all. Shes at the airport....if this girl is correct.
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Can you provide a link to the tweet please? Thanks
Who said she's going out west? Being in the same TSA line as someone heading out west doesn't mean you're also heading west.
No need for the tweet link. Just saw it on Kate's T/L. I try not to go over there anymore.
FOX 7 Austin @foxaustin · 2h
@elisewho Are there 8 others with her?
Elise Hu @elisewho · 1h
@foxaustin nope, appears she left the 8 at home
Joy In VA - I was basically going to post the same thing that you did about Joan Rivers. Was the joke inappropriate and in bad taste? Yes. However, many comedians before her and many after her will continue to make inappropriate jokes. I just can't get all worked up and indignant about it and I don't think that Joan Rivers is a vile human being because of this.
Wait...is the NPR reporter flying out west or Kate?
If she had the kids..she would be tweeting about them. Period. I don't think shes been home since she left for CA . She doesn't want anyone to know that shes not there. Easter pictures were tweeted by the nannys. You know..she has to keep the "good mother" bullshit. We know you're not there Kate. You snake in the grass....someone always gives you away. Why can't she just be honest? Why? Because that would blow her cover and make her look like the monster that she is. All of that "I do it for my kids".....These poor kids...what a nightmare.
I wonder if Stevie is supporting her in some way. She never seems to be worried about money....
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When kate was hospitalized for her ovaries being overstimulated, when she got out, didn't her fertility doctor TELL her NOT to have relations?
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In Multiple Blessings Kate says she was already pregnant when her ovaries hyperstimulated. They blew up and filled with fluid. The hyper stimulation occurs when the ovaries react to the fertility drug. If you are not pregnant and due to have IUI, they will not do the IUI. So who knows what the truth is. The doctor knows but he cannot speak and Jon knows. I have no idea where the rumor started that Kate and Jon had sex against doctor's orders other than I did read it on a PCOS forum and the person who who posted it said it was a fact, but no proof offered.
Tucker's Mom @157 - I'm starting to think maybe Kate was not home for Easter and someone else took the photos.
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Maybe the not-a-nanny took the pictures and sent them to TFW to show how happy the kids were with their Easter baskets and TFW turned around and tweeted those pictures. If the not-a-nanny took the pictures then C &M probably flatly refused to let her take their pictures.
Tucker's mom, I suspect the same. I think Mady took the photos. Kate was not home, IMO.
What if this wasn't even Kate in the TSA line, but just another cookie-cutter Barbie/Kate look-alike? Someone needs to tweet this NPR reporter and ask if "Kate" was accompanied by a silver-haired companion.
Tweet-le De Tweet-le DUMB said... 164
FOX 7 Austin @foxaustin · 2h
@elisewho Are there 8 others with her?
Elise Hu @elisewho · 1h
@foxaustin nope, appears she left the 8 at home
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I didn't think I could feel more sorry for the kids, but this is really sad.
I don't think being on the same TSA line means you're going to the same place as that person...does it. Shes just getting screen for her trip...wherever that may be. So ...shes not with her kids. Theres a shocker. She doesn't want to come home to that hum drum life. She's been treated like a stah these last couple of weeks. You think she wants to do laundry and cook for 8 kids after THAT treatment. Haven't heard her once say she misses them...Maybe she IS going to Florida for the finally. Hey Kate..I'll be there over this weekend too.....It makes me sick that I'll be in the same state as her. I'll try to get over it while I'm basking in the sun on the gulf of Mexico....Ha (that brag was meant for Kate)
The hosts on the Today show were apologizing profusely for what Rivers said and seemed at a loss as to why Rivers won't apologize.
I get that comedians are edgy, but getting a laugh at someone else's profound suffering, that continues to this day and for the rest of their lives, is really hard for me to understand, let alone get a laugh out of.
I do find it rather unbelievable she did not recognize the symptoms of the hyperstimulated ovaries and waited so long to seek medical help, particularly since she had taken a home pregnancy test and it was positive (so she says). Either the doctor was not monitoring her, she's an imbecile, or she was attempting to make sure there were HOM's.
I think you're spot on NJGal....Just what I was thinking..We should be detectives...
Yes, if it's Kate, Steve was with her.
Maybe the NPR person can confirm.
Guys, if she is at a DC airport in the TSA line, it doesn't mean she is going to the same destination as the twitter person. They are just in the same line for airport security, not the same boarding gate. Maybe back to NYC to film final episode or something.
JR said:
I wonder if Stevie is supporting her in some way. She never seems to be worried about money....
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I'm very conservative with money, but I would be willing to bet $1,000 that Steve takes money from Kate, and it never the other way around :)
Remember too, that "Kate's money" is really the money earned by the children during the length of the show, plus whatever was earned when they had to participate in CWS. The only money I would say is 100% Kate's might be the income from DWTS, and the very modest income from CA (which we calculate has all gone right back out for handler's fees).
This reply to the TSA tweeter cracked me up
@k_mccasland: @elisewho Oh wow. I'm sorry.
After seeing various comments here about Joan Rivers making a cruel joke, I had to Google to find out what it was about. And I say that Joan Rivers ought to time her retirement to match with Barbara Walters, because she has clearly gone round the bend. Crass, distasteful, offensive, and most of all, not funny in the slightest. Joan - retire before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.
silimom said... 96
Frankly, I don't think Kate ever had any intention of winning CA nor do I think Burnett and Trump planned on her being the winner. She got what she wanted - a paycheck to keep her going for a year or two, the chance to be on talk shows to promote CA when it airs and a paid trip away from her kids and mundane life and time with Steve.
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I agree with you that Kate never stood a chance of winning CA, but from what we can glean, she did last longer than I expected. However, I really doubt she got much money and certainly not enough to cover her expenses for a year or two. I think it's been discussed that celebs do this show to raise funds for the charity of their choice and of course, for the free publicity of being on national tv. Their paycheck is estimated to be between $16,000 to $25,000. (If someone has more accurate knowledge, I'm happy to learn about it.) Even if Kate was paid $25K, she in turn has to be paying Steve his daily rate to act as her manager/handler/guy who follows her around. Plus she has to pay taxes.
But for her, the big bonuses are a paid vacation away from her kids, who annoy her, time with Steve, the chance to be on tv again and live her fantasy that she's a celebrity, and the delusion that this lifestyle will go on and on and on.
PJ's momma said... 178
Guys, if she is at a DC airport in the TSA line, it doesn't mean she is going to the same destination as the twitter person. They are just in the same line for airport security, not the same boarding gate. Maybe back to NYC to film final episode or something.
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Right, we don't know where she's going.
We do know that once again, she's not home being a mother to her children.
Didn't Kate tweet something about being home with her kids for Easter, and how satisfying that was...or something like that?
I think she WAS home and took those pictures. Doesn't mean she was there the day before or day after...
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 4h
Good spring morning.... Alls well here... And warming up! Yay! #LoveSpringtime
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First of all, where is "here"?
Second, I bet her 6 fans are over the moon that she took 8 seconds of her time to tweet to them.
Maybe the not-a-nanny took the pictures and sent them to TFW to show how happy the kids were with their Easter baskets and TFW turned around and tweeted those pictures. If the not-a-nanny took the pictures then C &M probably flatly refused to let her take their pictures.
Wasn't there a scenario like this once before? Maybe last year Easter? Where we speculated that the babysitter took the photo and emailed it to TFW who then tweeted it, implying that she was home?
TFW is sooo predictable.
I wouldn't think she would fly home from DC it would be quicker to drive than waiting in line and getting there early so wherever she's going I'm betting it's not to home
I believe the NPR reporter. I've seen my share of Kate clones, but it would be nice to get a confirmation the sly silver fox was with her. Frankly, that's the real giveaway. Those two definitely stand out in a crowd. I thought CA was a wrap already. And if she needed to return to NYC for some additional filming she'd just take a car to NYC from home and vice versa. This sighting is veeeery interesting. The only other thing I can think is that she had some meeting with TLC/Discovery and then she and Steve flew to NYC out of BWI.
Having worked in hospitals, I cannot see the remotest a possibility that someone violated protocol and ethics as a favor to Jon's father. Favors are more along the line of adjusting fees or getting an appointment. It just doesn't happen, without a whole lot of money changing hands--e.g. Michael Jackson. Not risking a medical license, hospital privileges and reputation. There are lots easier ways to get rich than spending all those years in medical school. If anything, I think that she probably lied about missing her periods and /or how long she had tried to get pregnant. I can also buy that she didn't tell Jon that her follicles were overstimulated. The story that she ordered additional stimulating hormones and injected them seems pretty ridiculous. But, if there really is a box, as Robert claimed (that's what he said, right), then I guess it is plausible. Even if she did, there is no proof that it worked. But, she has demonstrated over and over that she is in charge, no doesn't mean no and that the rules that we mediocre live by do not apply to her. But, I can't buy that a doctor incurred all sorts of potential liability to do a colleague a favor. And, really, a dentist and a fertility specialist are not typically colleagues.
It was a case of right time and right place--that was her lightening strike. I doubt it was anything more than that. If she did mastermind this, dating back to enrolling in nursing school to set her evil plan in motion, then you would also have to believe that a goat herder from Kenya and an anthropologist falsified a birth certificate and planted a birth announcement in the local paper because they knew that their son, Barak Obama, was destined for the presidency.
I haven't worked as a nurse in years, but the values and ethics instilled in my profession are very much a part of me, today. To violate them would be to commit an act of betrayal on myself. Would any of the attorneys here risk their license to help out a friend. Knowingly commit perjury or plant evidence? Because, that would be the same thing. Licensed professionals sign their name to uphold a code of ethics. Very few do not take this pledge seriously.
But, I can't buy that a doctor incurred all sorts of potential liability to do a colleague a favor. And, really, a dentist and a fertility specialist are not typically colleagues.
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Was it implied that somehow, Jon's father influenced the fertility doctor?
I inferred that maybe Dr. Gosselin hooked Kate up with a specialist, that's all.
I think the doctor did not know the whole story with Kate.
He must have been mortified when she got pregnant with 7.
That is a horrible outcome- potentially damaging to his career and he's very, very lucky those kids were born pretty darn healthy.
He could have lost his shirt and I don''t believe he's in the same category as Octomom's quack.
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Joy In VA - I was basically going to post the same thing that you did about Joan Rivers. Was the joke inappropriate and in bad taste? Yes. However, many comedians before her and many after her will continue to make inappropriate jokes. I just can't get all worked up and indignant about it and I don't think that Joan Rivers is a vile human being because of this
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I have always thought that her particular brand of humor is very mean-spirited. But, I have noticed that she has tempered her comment on appearances. I was surprised to hear her compliment a full-figured star on the red carpet, saying that her dress was flattering to her body type. So, I think that she has become more PC in her humor over the years. That joke is tasteless and inappropriate--what's new about that? She has managed to reinvent herself and keep herself actively employed using her acerbic wit. She is loving the attention, and will keep it going. IF she apologizes, the story will be over. Yawn...
I'm no birther, but I believe that Kate wanted multiple multiples and never wanted "just one more".
She bugged Jon to try again and eventually, he capitulated. I believe that Jon wanted just one more, on the other hand.
So yes, I believe Kate had a plan, maybe not going back to nursing school, but nursing gave her knowledge such that she knew how a PCOS patient would present.
I could fake many, many things, truth be told.
FTR, I do believe that hormone box exists. Robert gave way too many details to have pulled it out of thin air.
I'm going to join the group that thinks TFW was not home Easter.
The wording of her tweets was certainly vague -- something like, "happy kids, even happier Mom." She didn't say she was there, did she? And I agree that we would've been treated to dinner pictures if any such meal had taken place.
Two weeks until the tups turn 10, and TFW will be boo-hooing all over
the place about time flying. But how many months of their young lives has she missed, chasing fame and fortune?
Licensed professionals sign their name to uphold a code of ethics. Very few do not take this pledge seriously.
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Very few, although, they exist.
It cracks me up and makes me angry at the same time when people go off about this huge medical conspiracy, whereby the healthcare community gives misinformation on obesity, or heart disease, just so they won't go out of business because, you know, everyone would be healthy.
*eye roll*
Here is an example of the kind of favor a doctor does for a nurse:
My mother-in-law had developed what she described as a rash, after having radiation for metastatic breast cancer. She had a visiting nurse come in to dress and clean the area. When I saw it, it was the equivalent of a third degree burn. She was hospitalized for other reasons, and I asked the burn specialist on my burn unit to stop in and look at it--which he did. He then became part of her treatment team. The favor he did was in the course of the work that he would do for anyone--it just facilitated her treatment and got it underway sooner. He didn't violate his oath, he just took a few extra minutes to do a colleague a favor.
Re: Kate at the airport- I thought CA wrapped Tues or Wed at latest.
The guy who was working on it and tweeting about it said he'd be home at the end of the day and done Wed.
I think.
The favor he did was in the course of the work that he would do for anyone--it just facilitated her treatment and got it underway sooner.
That's the kind of thing I've run into also. Just a little extra TLC.
When I called 911 for my mom, when the ambulance crew realized it was my mom, they were all over it.
I heard the cop radio back that it was John's mom...send more guys. (My brother is a long-time, well-respected EMT crew chief.)
I was astounded at all the people that showed up, wanting to help. How all those men so carefully and lovingly lifted her onto the gurney, all of them being so careful not to hurt her and trying to calm her.
When we got to the hospital there were lots of dr's and nurses on hand wanting to help....word had spread quickly that John's mom was coming in.
I remember being so appreciative of the support offered to us. Payback I guess, for all the extra things John has done ....he's always the one going the extra mile for patients.
Well, an anonymous post doesn't mean it's true and the person just thought maybe Jon's dad called in a favor. I took it to mean he could have contacted a fertility specialist about his daughter-in-law who was desperate to get pregnant right away. From what I've read, Dr. Gosselin was a good guy and put up with Kate's shit because of Jon.
First of all, where is "here"?
Second, I bet her 6 fans are over the moon that she took 8 seconds of her time to tweet to them.
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She deserted them the whole time when she was gone, and then she throws them a bone and they are giddy with excitement. If they can't see that they are being used, then darn it, I don't feel sorry for them for being so dang stupid. Let them hang on every tweet and continue fawning over her. It just shows that sheeple easily have the wool pulled over their eyes and they don't even know it. What will be, will be.
A few weeks ago, a long time acquaintance died from a chronic illness. he had been receiving hospice services, so it was not a surprise. I visited shortly before. He was dying, and knew it, and was not fully comfortable. We had a very touching yet very funny visit. He had an acid wit, was very particular about everything, and we joked and laughed about how he would be hoping out of the casket if the mortician didn't have everything arranged just so, to rearrange it. And joking about the Monty Python ” bring out your dead” sketch. it was really a fun visit. And I cried because I knew it was probably the last time I would see him. But we laughed so much about so many inappropriate things. One persons insult can be another persons compliment. Humor is a funny thing.
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