In the past, other cast members have accused the show of making the children work long hours. Abby herself has admitted some things are fake, including the "pyramid" ranking the dancers, but says she likes the perks of being a star.
The filing can be read in full here.
http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/09/dance-moms-abby-lee-miller-paige-kelly-hyland-abuse-lawsuit/
634 sediments (sic) from readers:
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@Kateplusmy8: Just home from Parent Teacher conferences. Love hearing that all my kids are doing GREAT in school. I'm so proud of them! #Gr8JobKids #❤️👍
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Stop the presses! This story should kick Ebola right off the front pages.
Why didn't she load the kids up in the garage like a normal person?
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Kate was whining about getting into the van from the school bus...lined up and getting wet. I don't think she said anything about the garage, or else I missed that complaint!
Come to think of it, that's a good point. It's a detached garage. If it's raining how do they get to the garage (if the van is kept there) without getting wet? She hasn't said anything about wanting an enclosed walkway to the garage.
Was it reported that Jon might be living in West Chester? I only read that there are rumors he's going to a bar (or bars) there. He could be visiting friends.
I'm also not so sure that Jon is unemployed. Last I heard (a few weeks ago) he was back in IT work. Don't quote me on that, though.
I read somewhere that Liz moved to South Carolina with her kids. True or not who knows and who cares other than her own family.
October 17, 2014 at 9:17 AM
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Best of luck to her, wherever she goes.
Liz is lucky to have avoided the reality tv rabbit hole. I think she will be able to recover from her plunge into the cesspool, and along with her kids, live a private life.
Jon should move to Utah so that Ms. Goody and Gladys can rest assured that he's not near a "college bar" scene.
Gawd.
West Chester has a lot more to offer than bars.
Can you imagine being a kid and wondering if your dad is going to be ruined by a lawsuit and go to jail, at the hand of your mother?
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Right there is the reason that family should never have been put on display by TLC in the first place. Those kids have been tempered in publicity since day one. It's the only life they know thanks to their mother's incessant need to live a gilded celebrity lifestyle. Unfortunately their emotional health means nothing to Kate or she would have quit the show when Jon did even if they were going their separate ways.
Hopefully he talks to them truthfully about what's going on before all the crap hits the tabloids.
Radar-online has the story up about Jon..
NJGal51 said... 10
@Kateplusmy8: Just home from Parent Teacher conferences. Love hearing that all my kids are doing GREAT in school. I'm so proud of them! #Gr8JobKids #❤️��
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Stop the presses! This story should kick Ebola right off the front pages.
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Oh boy. Cue Milo
And yes, I think Jon was just at the bars in WC, he doesn't live there. He's hung out there before.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 29m29 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 NO SURPRISE THERE!!! 😄 Behind every successful kid is a vigilant mom barking "Done your homework yet"?
Good grief. Gladys, the idolatry is showing again. This person is certifiable. It's all about Kate. Kate. Kate. The kids had no part in doing great in school. Kate's done it solo. I wonder if she gets a break in tuition for herself, since she's enrolled there.
Patricia Chow @PatriciaChow1 4m4 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Still 1 yr. behind in school !
I thought this person was a fan, or is it a flipper? Sheeple one day, non-fan the next? What's up with her?
I can't figure Patricia Chow out. She really was disgusted by the book but has said she's still a fan..then she tweets this (hehe)
Patricia Chow @PatriciaChow1 8m8 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Still 1 yr. behind in school !
@Kateplusmy8: Just home from Parent Teacher conferences. Love hearing that all my kids are doing GREAT in school. I'm so proud of them! #Gr8JobKids #❤️��
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Stop the presses! This story should kick Ebola right off the front pages.
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Well, I'll give her kudos for not lying this time and saying that they are all ranked at the top of their class, since the school doesn't rank students. At least she stopped short of that.
@Kateplusmy8: Just home from Parent Teacher conferences. Love hearing that all my kids are doing GREAT in school. I'm so proud of them! #Gr8JobKids #❤️��
Well yeah, what else could she say? That they're doing lousy? Of course not. And funny how ALL of them are doing "GREAT". Whatever. She shouldn't be blabbing about it on twitter anyway.
Bitch just can't help herself.
If all of the Gosselin kids are doing GREAT in school, then kudos to them, really.
Coming back from being expelled for two of them, dealing with a public divorce of their parents, their father getting sued by their mother, and on and on and on.
That's miraculous.
Oh, I do hope that none of the teachers blew smoke up Kate's ass ;-)
Okay, I'm about to say something nice about TFW. I'm glad
she said she was proud of her kids, and said, "Great job"
Pour me a Rumspringa. Heck, just leave the bottle...
Formerly Duped said... 3
Jon must be feeling really down: lost his job, home, girlfriend, access to the children (?), maybe their respect and affection ( thanks to TFW) and has a series of 'failures' to look back upon.The stories on-line if he reads them are unflattering.He must really rue the day he met KK.I hope he's ok emotionally,meaning strong enough to rebuild his life-again.
(Some of those kids are really getting mouthy & mean like their mother in terms of respect and empathy. I know they mean everything to Jon; if he 'loses' them, he will be crushed)
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I thought I read here about a recent sighting of Jon out with at least some of the kids. So I don't think he's lost access/visitation with his children - but maybe for now he can't have overnight visits until he gets a different home.
Either way, I think Jon fully understands what those children go through living with their mother. No one else can understand better than he. I think he is just making sure he is always available to them, should they have the opportunity to call him, text him, or visit him. At this point, that's the best thing he can do - just simply "be there." And even if some of the kids choose to be estranged from him for the time being, I have a feeling that once they are adults and out on their own, they may want to bridge the gap once again with their dad. As a parent myself, I would hate to be in his position, but I think he just has to be patient and keep living one day at a time.
(Did he and Liz break up? If so, I know he's feeling lonely but I didn't think she was really a good fit for him. He may not want a mothering type of woman, but a gentle personality with a deep nurturing streak would do him a world of good.)
FlimsyFlamsy said... 22
Okay, I'm about to say something nice about TFW. I'm glad
she said she was proud of her kids, and said, "Great job"
Pour me a Rumspringa. Heck, just leave the bottle...
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Oh, heck, let's split a kegger!
It's not that I think or hope they're not doing well, but whatever she writes about them you can be sure she says it to polish HER own turd. It's a reflection of how wonderful she is, not the kids and their teachers. Kate expects the praise and sure enough good old Gladys jumps right in and crawls a little further up her arse.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 29m29 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 NO SURPRISE THERE!!! �� Behind every successful kid is a vigilant mom barking "Done your homework yet"?
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So Milo isn't completely blind - she acknowledges that Kate barks at her kids. However, in her mind, that's a good thing because it supposedly gets results.
I did help my son with his homework when he was in grade school. Sometimes it was as simple as merely sitting at the table with him as he went over his English words, or did his math work. Other times, he would need a little assistance. But by the time he hit middle school, I couldn't help much with his math anymore. Nor did I relish the thought of being homework cop. So there was a designated time for homework - after dinner and before tv watching. I would do the dishes, do laundry, etc. instead of sitting down next to him. I was available for questions, but it was his homework to do (or not, and face the consequences the next day).
Each kid is different, but I don't think barking at them to get things done is great parenting.
Oh, I do hope that none of the teachers blew smoke up Kate's ass ;-)
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Uh, no. The teachers are not smoke blowers! LOL! They'll tell it exactly like it is. Now, who knows...Kate could be the one blowing smoke! The only reason she tweeted that was to show that she's involved in the kids' education at school and actually went to the conferences. She threw in that good report because the sheeple were bound to ask how they were doing. She killed two birds with one stone there. Nothing is private.
Just one time. ONE TIME, I'd like to see Gladys say, "Good job, kids. That's wonderful. Keep up the good work."
She just can't help herself.
Pour me a Rumspringa. Heck, just leave the bottle...
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You can buy a whole barrel over here at the brewery. Would that work?
Patricia Chow @PatriciaChow1 4m4 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Still 1 yr. behind in school !
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Poor Patricia. She's been trying so hard lately to get back into TFW's good graces buy kissing her ass at every turn and then she goes and gets honest again.
I have to laugh at this Lauren sheep. What makes these people tick? She tweets...
Lauren @ljohnson2006 2h2 hours ago
Bravo to @Kateplusmy8. Proof that her kids are doing amazing in school and thriving. Don't believe the naysayers.
Then, in her TL, she tweets...
Lauren @ljohnson2006 1h1 hour ago
Robbie makes Mongo look attractive. Does Leah go husband hunting in trailer parks? #TeenMom2
Lauren @ljohnson2006 · 5h 5 hours ago
Jesus God leah! Stop cheating!
Lauren @ljohnson2006 · 5h 5 hours ago
Robbie must have Cheetos running through his veins rather than blood. What else would attract leah? 😂
Lauren @ljohnson2006 · 19h 19 hours ago
Mongo is an asshole. He's using jenelle and she's letting him #TeenMom2reunion
Lauren @ljohnson2006 · Oct 15
Someone needs to 👊 #JuanPablo. He's such a dick #CouplesTherapy
Lauren @ljohnson2006 · Oct 15
I wish I could use my culture as an excuse for being an asshole like Juan Pablo #CouplesTherapy
Lauren @ljohnson2006 · Oct 15
Of course Ariana is a diva. Her last name is Grande. She's too Grande for her britches. #ArianaGrande
That's all the farther back I went. That was enough. She calls out the non-fans for being "naysayers," when good grief, she's the champion of negativity, hating, naysaying and name-calling. What is WITH these people? The hypocrisy still amazes me.
"That's all the farther back I went. That was enough. She calls out the non-fans for being "naysayers," when good grief, she's the champion of negativity, hating, naysaying and name-calling. What is WITH these people? The hypocrisy still amazes me."
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I sometimes wonder if these people are drunk tweeting when they send these hateful tweets to celebrities...or are they like that when not under the influence? If so, that's scary.
Poor Patricia. She's been trying so hard lately to get back into TFW's good graces buy kissing her ass at every turn and then she goes and gets honest again.
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Sheeple are such an enigma. Sometimes you gotta laugh and love 'em, and sometimes they just shock the heck out of you. You never know what's going to come out of their mouths (with the exception of Kravitz, of course). She's so predictable she's no fun anymore!
So Milo isn't completely blind - she acknowledges that Kate barks at her kids. However, in her mind, that's a good thing because it supposedly gets results.
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It wouldn't surprise me if Milo is a barker, too. It takes one to know one. Those are two peas in a pod.
Jon's current job for over the past two years has been a sales consultant and energy specialist for a company according to his LinkedIn profile. His resume posted is all IT except listed as an actor for Discovery.
I think that all of us locals, as well as those visiting in the area, should get together for a Rumspringa at the brewery. What fun we could have. My treat. We'll have to have a designated driver, though. When are you coming through the area again, admin? :)
PA Dutch Mom said... 27
Oh, I do hope that none of the teachers blew smoke up Kate's ass ;-)
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Uh, no. The teachers are not smoke blowers! LOL! They'll tell it exactly like it is
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Oh, I'm sure!
I was referring to Robert's first book, in which he put forth Kate's journal and Kate was putting down a teacher, for doing just this.
Like, "duh! tell me something I don't know!!"
I was referring to Robert's first book, in which he put forth Kate's journal and Kate was putting down a teacher, for doing just this.
Like, "duh! tell me something I don't know!!"
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She has quite an attitude toward professionals. She thought the medical care in the area was backwards too because they wouldn't fill a prescription over the phone for her for one of the kids. She figured "they were just trying to make her life difficult!"
I'll bet locals cringe when she walks through their door.
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MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 · Sep 25
@Denaa_O I don't know why Jon Gosselin is in West Chester, but word on street is Jon goes to college bars bcuz he likes his women young.
What street would that be? Neither Zig nor Goody lives in PA. I doubt if either one of them even knows where West Chester is.
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Twitter street. Gossip is gossip, whether it occurs on a literal or figurative street.
localyocul said... 182 Rhymes with Witch said... 163
Thank you for your support. It means a lot to me and helps me get stronger. (:
Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said... 39
localyocul said... 182 Rhymes with Witch said... 163
Thank you for your support. It means a lot to me and helps me get stronger. (:
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XOXO
I think of the different gossip stories about Jon this isn't so bad. Yes, they would see bad internet comments about how lazy their dad is. But for this one they actually know the truth. They know where he lives. They know if he's homeless or not. They know if he is dating Liz or not. Hopefully he has age appropriate honest conversations with them. He may have moved because the house and rent were both too big without Liz's family. Lots of people move on purpose.
I don't know about Jon's job. The job market is a little tougher in Berks than in areas closer to Philly. Though in Berks the rents are cheaper. And Berks is where his kids are. I have known men like Jon before. They are not ambitious. They do not choose well in women usually. Yes, the right woman might be able to keep him more stable but he may never meet her. We are all different personalities. If Jon and Kate had stuck with only two kids and tried to live an average life, he probably would have gone to work each day and been relatively happy. For whatever reason, an average life wasn't good enough for one or both of them.
I believe that this story is a total plant from Kate's camp. Maybe if they stir up some hate for Jon, then Kate will be interesting and people will watch. I for one am waiting with bated breath for the episode where they are trapped in the rain. What to do? The whole state of PA usually shuts down in the rain. This time TLC wanted the drama.
For whatever reason, an average life wasn't good enough for one or both of them.
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But I would imagine that SHE is the one who egged him on with promises of a fabulous lifestyle. If he didn't go along with it, there would have been hell to pay. I can't imagine living with someone so controlling that you have to do exactly what the other person says. Of course, this lifestyle looked good at the time. Who wouldn't succumb to promises of fame, money rolling in, and products at your beck and call? He realized, though, that material possessions aren't everything...not at the expense of privacy, and your kids' childhood. At least he has tried to get employment, which is more than can be said about her. The sheeple, though, would never acknowledge this. She doesn't need to work. She's a celebrity, for gosh sakes. Jon is a nobody, a deadbeat and always will be; Even if he lands a lucrative position somewhere, he will forever be the scapegoat, the no-good lazy bum, while she never makes any effort to find a job other than pimping out the kids until they are eighteen.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 2h 2 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 Correct me if wrong, > school they attend is #CollegePrep curriculum..only serious, hard working attentive kids make the grade!
Gee Whiz retweeted
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 2h 2 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 You have every reason 2b so proud of the progress ALL your kids have made. All of you have been thru alot!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 8h 8 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 NO SURPRISE THERE!!! 😄 Behind every successful kid is a vigilant mom barking "Done your homework yet"?
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 · Sep 25
@Denaa_O I don't know why Jon Gosselin is in West Chester, but word on street is Jon goes to college bars bcuz he likes his women young.
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MsGoody ignores the fact that Kate was an older woman when she snatched up Jon at the picnic and then quickly convinced him to marry her. Maybe she isn't too much older than he is, but she'll still hit 40 before he will. Ouch.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 8h 8 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 NO SURPRISE THERE!!! 😄 Behind every successful kid is a vigilant mom barking "Done your homework yet"?
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It drives me crazy when nobody else gets the credit for these children doing well in school. This includes the teachers, Jon, and the children THEMSELVES.
Jen X Infinity @Jen_X_Infinity 1h1 hour ago
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 It's a private school...if you come up with the tuition $$ your kids are in. #getagip
animalabuseneverwins @bitemeaholesFU 6m6 minutes ago
@MiloandJack @Jen_X_Infinity @Kateplusmy8 BULLSHIT! If you have the money any kid can go to private school.
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Sorry, but this is one time I have to agree with Milo. Gasp. It's simply not true. You can have money coming out both ends, but if the prospective student doesn't make the cut and pass all tests, recommendations, referrals, and evaluations, he/she is not going to be accepted at the school. It might be that way in some private schools, but not this one.The admissions process is very tough. I know one student who applied four times and wasn't accepted, and his parents had money coming out the patootie and other places as well!
Well, Milo is in full defensive mode tonight. She knows everything about the tups' development and about their school.
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Correct me if wrong, > school they attend is #CollegePrep curriculum..only serious, hard working attentive kids make the grade!
@MiloandJack: @PatriciaChow1 @Kateplusmy8 Tups ARE NOT BEHIND! They were born pre-mature...had 2do some catching up! They R right where they should be! :)
And then someone mentioned that if you have the money any kid can go to private school.
@MiloandJack: @Jen_X_Infinity @Kateplusmy8 Not true! Space very limited...ur child has 2b a good fit 4the academics& having skills needed 2succeed there!
Sorry, but this is one time I have to agree with Milo. Gasp. It's simply not true. You can have money coming out both ends, but if the prospective student doesn't make the cut and pass all tests, recommendations, referrals, and evaluations, he/she is not going to be accepted at the school.
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No school admits that you can pull strings. You can though. The family I worked for pulled strings at schools that claimed it was all based on tests or whatever, and got their children in even though they weren't qualified. This happened at least three times. I think it was more their name than their money. That said I have no reason to believe any strings were pulled in this situation. They're not the brightest kids in the world but they don't seem dumb either. I'm sure they are decent enough students and capable of getting into a private school like this one.
@MiloandJack: @Jen_X_Infinity @Kateplusmy8 Not true! Space very limited...ur child has 2b a good fit 4the academics& having skills needed 2succeed there!
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There is no way anyone could know this let alone Milo. The "pulled strings" I know about occurred between about two people at the school, behind closed doors. I only know because I was told about it. Otherwise I wouldn't know that and probably would have assumed the kids got their on merit. Boy was I wrong and boy was some "donations" exchanged, big time.
She has no idea if strings were pulled or not. One family may have been unsuccessful pulling strings. Doesn't mean another one wasn't. Maybe they were and maybe they weren't but it's ridiculous for Milo to imply Milo has any idea. She doesn't know what happens behind closed doors of a private school that has generally been very protective of this family.
I think that all of us locals, as well as those visiting in the area, should get together for a Rumspringa at the brewery. What fun we could have. My treat. We'll have to have a designated driver, though. When are you coming through the area again, admin? :)
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Lol def!
I won't be back I don't think for a very long time! Too many things on my plate at the moment and I don't have any family there that would pull me back. Miss it though!
@MiloandJack: @Jen_X_Infinity @Kateplusmy8 Not true! Space very limited...ur child has 2b a good fit 4the academics& having skills needed 2succeed there!
She's correct on that one. Sheesh. I need a drink.
I remember some time ago when someone who donated quite a bit of money to the school, and who actually served in an important capacity at the school, tried the string pulling. It didn't work. I won't go into what happened after that, but suffice it to say that the donations stopped.
Boy was I wrong and boy was some "donations" exchanged, big time.
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Mrs. Gump pulled some strings to keep Forrest in school too. lol
Kid's of celebrities get strings pulled for them all the time. Ever think this is the schools way of protecting themselves? We never saw anything wrong? The kid's never ate moldy food .They never looked un-happy.
I believe the schools reputation is more important to them rather than being caught up in controversy with 8 kids who once went there.
The school's letter heading wont include " The Gosselin 8 attended here !" I'm sure they just want them ( because of their mother) to be gone. A distant memory.
Mrs. Gump pulled some strings to keep Forrest in school too. lol
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Lol yep there's more than one way to pull strings.
Didn't he say something like Boy, your Momma sure does care about your schooling!
LOL.
She donated rather generously I thought.
I imagine and hope like any school they don't hold Kate against the kids. Maybe they even feel sorry for them. I think this school is probably much of a safe haven for them.
Tests or not as long as they were comfortable the kids would do okay there I see no reason why they wouldn't let them in. I don't think the celeb children who got into schools they really shouldn't have were expected to fail. I think they just thought they'd have to stay on top of them more than usual to make sure they were able to perform as other more qualified kids do. Just because you might not meet all the requirements doesn't mean you won't succeed. I imagine even the richest most famous celeb could not pull strings on a kid who is obviously going to fail at the school no matter what was done. But the more marginal kids are worth betting on.
Reading all of Milo's tweets about the school really makes me wonder why she is so bent out of shape about it. Apparently, she DOES NOT block the haters, but seems to feel it's her duty to defend and protect Kate from them.
Any questions about the kids education should be addressed by Kate, NOT by Milo, but yet, Milo feels that she has the perfect right to jump in and state things that she really knows nothing about, although, I'm sure she has scoured the LCS web site for any and all info she can find.
I just find it so creepy that she feels the need to defend Kate in the way she does. It's like she feels that Kate has no voice and is not capable of speaking for herself, and that Milo MUST speak for her.
If you think about it, it's pretty pathetic.
PA Dutch Mom
AUG 5, 2014
Glad to see this back!
I read over at realitytvkids and I can’t help but wonder if CIB is really the twitter person at @miloandjack Milo is a die hard crazy Kate fan, but stirs up the pot something vicious on twitter which makes me wonder…
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I'm glad the kids are in a school that is most likely their safe haven. Where there is support, boundaries, and friends. However, I really have to wonder if all 8 kids were able to get through what seems to be rigorous entry requirements. One or two,kids, sure. But all 8?
I don't know who this GeeWhiz person is, but she sure gets bent out of shape when it comes to Kate.
Patricia Chow @PatriciaChow1 · 8h8 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 Still 1 yr. behind in school !
Gee Whiz @GeeWhiz__ · 5h5 hours ago
.@PatriciaChow1 @Kateplusmy8 Patricia STOP BASHING THE KIDS! You are so PATHETIC!
Patricia Chow @PatriciaChow1 · 1h1 hour ago
@GeeWhiz__ @Kateplusmy8 I'm not bashing the kid's, just stating a fact.
Gee Whiz @GeeWhiz__ · 19m19 minutes ago
@PatriciaChow1 @Kateplusmy8 Bull, u are bashing them. Many preemies start a year late.Plus, it's none of your business! Leave the kids alone
Why doesn't the person tell Milo that it's none of her business either? It seems it's only THEIR business, when they are supporting Kate. If a Kate fan or non-fan points out something negative or against Kate, right away, they are bashed by the fans and the fans make it THEIR business.
Hypocrisy at it's best.
Didn't Cara mention in the special that Mady isn't a good student? Also, I'f there's no string pulling or anything like that, why were the expelled two allowed back in? I think that once you've got your foot in the door it would be hard to get rid of you. How much academic testing can there be when you go in at the pre-K/K level? It's like legacies being accepted into a fraternity. Some people you just have to take.
Sue
Admin, congrats and enjoy the show!
Abby Lee is a nutcase. She treated her dog much better than the girls. Did anyone see the episode where she had her deceased dog STUFFED. It reminded me of the Family Guy episode where Brian finds out his mother has been turned into an end table.
I just find it so creepy that she feels the need to defend Kate in the way she does. It's like she feels that Kate has no voice and is not capable of speaking for herself, and that Milo MUST speak for her.
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If Kate would just keep her yap shut about their 'private' schooling there would be no reason for that idiot stick to keep up the defense. Kate knows this but can't stop herself. They both need their heads examined.
Even if Gladys is correct about the strict admissions policy and school academics, she's a fool to tweet that she knows exactly what happens there. She doesn't know where the school is located, she has no children there, she doesn't know any kids who attend, and she doesn't know the admissions policy or any of the faculty or administration. To tweet implications that she's among the inner circle makes her look like more of an idiot than she is.
OT, kind of. If I had Twitter, I'd tweet about the super busy, busy day that I had. This involved child-proofing a house, moving furniture, padding corners, installing child-safety locks, lowering crib rails, and everything else that goes along with parenting a baby. At barely seven months, he's started walking on his own. This is not supposed to happen this soon...at least it didn't with the other kids. I thought I had more time! LOL! Of course, he did everything early, so this shouldn't come as a surprise.
I wonder if Kate did all of that, or if she just had the "help" make sure everything was safe for the babies,.
It's times like this I'm convinced Gladys does not have a husband or
children. Really, you're a wife and mother, and you've been working
all week, and you're spending your Friday night defending someone
you don't know? Repeatedly? Declaring what's true and what's not
true about her children -- who you also don't know? Nine people
you've never met, and it's your mission to fight for them? Against
a bunch of people on Twitter, who, yep, I'll say it again, you don't know? IN CAPS? Howcha magowcha, she is a piece of work.
No need to go through the trouble of a dissertation, but could someone please give me the short form? Who is Jo Jo and what is he to BV?
Really, you're a wife and mother, and you've been working
all week, and you're spending your Friday night defending someone
you don't know?
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When you're in love, everything else is secondary.
If Kate would just keep her yap shut about their 'private' schooling there would be no reason for that idiot stick to keep up the defense. Kate knows this but can't stop herself. They both need their heads examined.
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LOM should move Milo's bedtime to 8 p.m. so there would be less of her nonsense. Come on, Hubs!
Serendipity, does kate do anything for her children's safety? Why heck no! She left those babies in the bedroom and they were wild and broke a lamp? the dresser turned over. Yes, please, bolt dressers and tvs to the walls so they won't fall over on your babies! So dangerous.
She also wanted to catch a fish in the deep ocean 25 miles from the coast line and the kids had no life jackets. She speeds in the BBB and the other cars with her children and drives like a maniac, just ask Robert. She made a boy tup go up under the BBB to retrieve a paper while she sit on her @ and played Angry Birds on her 307th iPhone. She let a twin drive the Gator wide open with siblings on the Big Present Reveal.
I could go on and on.
However, I really have to wonder if all 8 kids were able to get through what seems to be rigorous entry requirements. One or two,kids, sure. But all 8?
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No, not all of them. Some were ready for Kindergarten, some weren't, which is why they were redshirted. It's surprising how much "academic" testing is done even for pre-school. So much has changed in the last ten years or so.
That said, it is much easier to be accepted at that level than a student applying for admission at an upper grade level. It's best to start at the very beginning and continuing through graduation (a "lifer") than to expect to be accepted in 6th grade.
Patricia Chow @PatriciaChow1 24m24 minutes ago
@GeeWhiz__ @Kateplusmy8 They are 7th graders, I'm tired of this crap with you !
Ah, Patricia Chow. Unbunch your panties. Gee is right. Those kids are in 8th grade. Kate has mentioned this several times.
Patricia Chow @PatriciaChow1 38m38 minutes ago
@GeeWhiz__ @Kateplusmy8 Cara & Mady are not preemies, 14 should be in High School.
I thought the twins were preemies. Didn't they say that on the birthday special when they asked why the tups had multiple parties?
And no, Patricia, 8th grade is Middle School, not high school. Upper School begins in 9th grade. The twins are exactly where they should be. They weren't kept back.
She really is confused, isn't she? Maybe that's why she can't figure out which side of the fence (fan or non-fan) she's on at any given tweet.
That said, it is much easier to be accepted at that level than a student applying for admission at an upper grade level. It's best to start at the very beginning and continuing through graduation (a "lifer") than to expect to be accepted in 6th grade.
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This makes a heck of a lot more sense and is generally true of most schools. If you can get them in in kindergarten or grade school when it's harder to distinguish who is really going to be the best students and who isn't, then you're "in" and good to go even if you might not have been accepted had you tried to get in LATER. In fact it was trying to matriculate kids in the middle of high school or middle school that was where I saw some big time string pulling. They are going after far fewer spots at that point.
Gladys's whole idea that they're oh so smart is just nonsense. We don't know that one way or the other. The only thing we know is that they have done enough for the school to allow them to continue to attend. Some of them could be C and D students. That doesn't mean you're dumb. Some kids can't pull A grades but end up being very successful adults. For some reason it's just extremely obnoxious to me when Milo talks about their school. I guess because it's so incredibly ridiculous she knows even the tiniest thing about it.
For some reason it's just extremely obnoxious to me when Milo talks about their school. I guess because it's so incredibly ridiculous she knows even the tiniest thing about it.
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Milo is obnoxious, Period.
Oh, but she and Kate communicate in so many ways. They are best buddies, so I'm sure that she's sent Milo the parent handbook and called her with details about the conferences reports.
Seriously, does there ever come a point when you can't play the "they were preemies" card? After 10 years it's starting to get old.
OT, on the Duggars. John David who is twins with Jana, wanted to be a pilot. I believe I have posted about this before here. JB and M put their foot down and said no, that would take him away from his family. Well, there's a will, there's a way! JD saved up his money for the lessons and became a licensed pilot. He now has his own plane, I think.
But,now he wants to be a commercial pilot. JB and M has put their foot down again, NO and said that would take him far away from his FUTURE FAMILY! I wish he, Jana and Ginger, Josiah could escape that cesspool of control!
His parents are freaking nutty buddies. No offense to Little Debbie.
There are 8 kids. They can't all be equally good at every subject no matter what Kate says and no matter what Milo says. They do test them to get in but it is much easier to get in at kindergarten like others have said. I'm sure some of the tups didn't test as well as the others. But really, was the school going to say Okay we'll take 7 of them. There was influence here from TLC I'm sure. They couldn't risk the kids going to school with the unwashed masses in suburbia. They would have had to listen to Kate rant for weeks/months. Then the thing with the kids being expelled was just awful.
Whatever happened, I hope the school is a good place for the kids. I hope they are treated like they belong. I hope they are getting a good education.
Sharpen Axe @SharnaPax 22m22 minutes ago
@ConcernedChick @Pancake035 @Kateplusmy8 I cannot imagine a child graduating high school when 19.
Let's see. Graduation is usually the third week in May. The kids will turn 19 on May 10. They will be 19 for less than one week at graduation. I'm sure their classmates, teachers, parents are going to say, "OMG...you're 19!"
Here's an article about school cutoffs and red-shirting in Pennsylvania.
http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/lifestyles/family/s_737333.html#axzz3GTOSLbqd
Because the cut-off is around Sept 1 (Sept 30 in some districts), and the twins were born in October, they would be among the oldest in their grades if they started school at the "normal" time. If they turned 14 when were in grade 8, that would be expected. Using their due-date instead of their birth date wouldn't make any difference - it wouldn't push them over a cut-off line.
The tups were born on May 10, with a due date of approximately July 19. That means if they started school "at the normal time", they would be among the younger in their class. If you use July 19, and a cutoff of Sept 1, they would be among the youngest 12% of their class (43 days/365days = 12%). That can be a pretty heavy burden for a kid to bear.
My daughter was born 11 days before the school cut-off, which made her the youngest or perhaps second-youngest in her class, and even though she was very bright academically, it definitely put her at a disadvantage for many years. My son who was born about 1/4 of the way into the "school cutoff year", so was among the older, had a much easier time in many ways.
And no, Patricia, 8th grade is Middle School, not high school. Upper School begins in 9th grade. The twins are exactly where they should be. They weren't kept back.
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If a child starts kindergarten at 5, they start 9th grade at 14. Where I went to school high school started with 9th grade (14 yrs-17 yrs) = 9th through 12th. Middle school was called junior high = 7th-8th grade.
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Since the twins were born in Oct. did they have to wait until they were almost 6 to start kindergarten?
Seriously, does there ever come a point when you can't play the "they were preemies" card? After 10 years it's starting to get old. 75
I realize that everyone is different (even the 6, Katie) but I have a friend who gave birth prematurely. Lots of necessary medical intervention. Then early intervention services. He is now in second grade and excelling (really).
No filming or pics, so I'll understand if you don't believe me. :)
Paper Plates Forever! Yay! said... 39
localyocul said... 182 Rhymes with Witch said... 163
Thank you for your support. It means a lot to me and helps me get stronger. 39
You're stronger than you know.
Don't be afraid to grieve your loss. Your loss is real and deserves recognition.
Just don't get sucked into the "poor pitiful me" trap that can swallow you whole (right Katie?,)
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Correct me if wrong, > school they attend is #CollegePrep curriculum..only serious, hard working attentive kids make the grade!
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Since when do grade schools have college-prep curricula? The last I heard, kids usually don't go straight from grade-school to college. Any kid that could would've left grade-school behind by now.
Seriously, does there ever come a point when you can't play the "they were preemies" card? After 10 years it's starting to get old.
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Anyone see the Burning Love spoof on Yahoo? Just reminded me of a "contestant" who kept reminding everyone he was a preemie :)
Gotta chuckle when Gladys says, "Correct me if wrong." Like
TFW, who has ignored hundreds of this pest's questions, is
going to speak up to contradict it! Still waiting for a response
on that "set the record straight" smoking inquiry, aren't we?
All this talk about the kids' private school makes me wonder just what Kate is paying for tuition. I looked at the school's web site and it appears that it entirely depends on the parents' finances what the tuition is. Apparently you have to reveal all to the school. They seem to work with people on the cost, but Kate is such a liar that I wonder if she hid assets to get a better deal since Jon claimed she hid money from him. Whatever the tuition, I bet it's coming from the money set aside for the kids because Kate is all about draining their future savings. Could any locals here give some insight as to just how the school determines tuition?
All I know is that a friend of mine, whose daughter attended a private school in Georgia, told me he was paying $20k a year. Needless to say, he decided that although she received an excellent education, after 4th grade she went to public school and did just fine and is successfully enjoying college. Yes, that $20k figure was many years ago and this was a small town private school outside of Atlanta.
They will be 19 for less than one week at graduation. I'm sure their classmates, teachers, parents are going to say, "OMG...you're 19!"
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When I was a kid, I had JUST turned 18 when I graduated high school. My college roommate turned 18 that fall. We certainly would have said "OMG, you're 19" to anyone who was 19 or older.
But in this day in age, everybody is getting red shirted, so I doubt anyone would bat an eye. It will be much more common by the time they graduate to graduate with many other 19 year olds. Perhaps it's for the best. Being only 17 or just 18 and starting college was very young to be on our own.
All I know is that a friend of mine, whose daughter attended a private school in Georgia, told me he was paying $20k a year. Needless to say, he decided that although she received an excellent education, after 4th grade she went to public school and did just fine and is successfully enjoying college.
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I don't know if anyone likes the Freakeconomics guys but I love them. I just read one of their books, I think it's their latest, Think Like a Freak.
They've crunched the numbers and determined that your school has little to no bearing on how well you do. It's actually mostly about your home life. You could go to a terrible school but as long as you have a good home life, you'll be fine. You'll go on to a good college and get a good job and be successful. It's just that lots of kids who go to bad schools don't have a good home life, but we assume it's the "bad school". They are all about making you think about problems in a new way and not make assumptions about what is causing what, to go deeper than that.
The same thing is now being pretty widely suggested about college. Some very prominent people are now saying forget the ivy leagues, go to any school.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 14h14 hours ago
@PatriciaChow1 @Kateplusmy8 Tups ARE NOT BEHIND! They were born pre-mature...had 2do some catching up! They R right where they should be! :)
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Milo, they were 2 1/2 months premature, NOT a year premPreemies generally catch up by 1st birthday!! Also, the cut off for the school year here is 9/1. My neice was born in July, my daughter in Nov. So even though they are only 4 months apart, they are in different grades. One neice started K when she was barey 5, while mine was almost 6. So she is ridiculous.
Admin I didn't even read your last comment when I ty! Haha yes my niece just went to college when she was barely 18. Mine will be almost 19
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kate has said before that the kids have tutors working with them outside of school. She specifically mentioned (in one of her old blog posts) a summer math tutor for the twins, and she was late getting home. She says she has 16 hours a week of babysitting help, but I think it's actually tutoring. Why would she need babysitters 16 hours a week? But tutors might be necessary to keep the kids on track in school so she can brag about them.
Jon has been trending everywhere the last couple days. Where is Milo's praise for him? "Still newsworthy!" "Just mention his name and->->zipline! Right to the top!" Or is it only worthy of praise if it's Kate?
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@MiloandJack: @Jen_X_Infinity @Kateplusmy8 Not true! Space very limited...ur child has 2b a good fit 4the academics& having skills needed 2succeed there!
She's correct on that one. Sheesh. I need a drink.
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UGH I wouldn't want my kid going to such an elitist, snobby school.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Kate has said before that the kids have tutors working with them outside of school. She specifically mentioned (in one of her old blog posts) a summer math tutor for the twins, and she was late getting home. She says she has 16 hours a week of babysitting help, but I think it's actually tutoring. Why would she need babysitters 16 hours a week? But tutors might be necessary to keep the kids on track in school so she can brag about them.
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She's mentioned tutors and nannies and even admitted how many hours they are there which wouldn't you know it pretty much adds up to all the hours they are not in school besides sleeping. Jon also says she dumps them on nannies.
If the children are doing fantastically amazing in school it is likely due to all the one on one help they are getting. Most children would do very well in school if they had such individualized attention. That's one reason child actors tend to fly through school because they're being taught by a tutor or set teacher who gets to know them really well and can focus them without 25 other students to look after. Obviously one on one teaching is just not practical for most children but when you are lucky enough to get it it would be unusual if the results weren't enormous.
I think you can tell from the recent special which tups are generally brighter than the others.JMO. Academic success is just one measure of a person.Since Kate puts out all this money for tuition, hires a homework helper and has them do catch-up work in the summer, I can assume this school and maybe academics are not easy for all the kids yet they are under pressure to excel and 'all' be at the top of the class.. As for the twins, Cara, and Mady agreed, stated she was the brighter of the two and enjoyed school.
UGH I wouldn't want my kid going to such an elitist, snobby school.
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What I don't like is the air of superiority about this silly school. It's just a school like any other school and you could save your money and go to a public school and be just as much of success.
When you only let in A and B students of course they are all going to good colleges and going to do well. The only way to tell if this school is better than any other school is to admit EVERYONE including D students, but of course they won't do that. If you only looked at a public school's A and B students the stats would probably work out to be exactly the same. My public high school had plenty of children going to Cornell, Brown, Columbia and Harvard. Of course they were all in the top 10% of the class. We also had plenty of kids who did not go to college or went to trade school, and they were not in the top of the class. What does that group matter to a high achieving child's aspirations as long as they get the same end result for their own path?
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 95
UGH I wouldn't want my kid going to such an elitist, snobby school.
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What I don't like is the air of superiority about this silly school. It's just a school like any other school and you could save your money and go to a public school and be just as much of success.
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I agree. My dd goes to one of the highest ranking school districts in the area. She's lucky! It became that way over the years. I would never think anyone who goes there is so much better than others because we happen to live within the boundaries. In fact, the school has a lot of drawbacks due to the high amount of rich entitled kids who DO go there (of which we are not). It creates a lot of peer friction
Like pointed out, it's hard to tell in Kindergarten who is going to make As and Bs by middle school. Do those who fail to do so get kicked out? Or can they stay as long as they pass?
If the children are doing fantastically amazing in school it is likely due to all the one on one help they are getting.
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Then they go to college and have to fend for themselves. One of my neice's has a friend who excelled in high school but her parents were big helicopters. Actually I know two kids like this, and they went to college and couldn't think for themselves, couldn't organize their time and really floundered
If TFW's children went to a "regular" school, then she's afraid that
would make them the "M" word -- mediocre. Correction -- she's
afraid other people would see them that way, and appearances
are verrrrrry important to her. And to say how well "they" did
reminds us that she sees them as a pack. I feel sorry for the tup
who gets the lowest scores. There's got to be some pressure
to excel, if only to make Mommy happy.
Like pointed out, it's hard to tell in Kindergarten who is going to make As and Bs by middle school. Do those who fail to do so get kicked out? Or can they stay as long as they pass?
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I don't know their policies but even if they kept the kindergarten kids all along who otherwise wouldn't have gotten in, it wouldn't hurt their stats too much in the long run and it's better to promote good will with the lifers.
The bread and butter of these private schools is matriculating the older students in middle and high school, the ones they can accurately predict will give them good stats. Stringing along a few kids who aren't cutting it doesn't matter.
Then they go to college and have to fend for themselves. One of my neice's has a friend who excelled in high school but her parents were big helicopters. Actually I know two kids like this, and they went to college and couldn't think for themselves, couldn't organize their time and really floundered
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I can absolutely see how that is going to become a big problem for kids, especially the helicopter generation.
My parents purposely stayed pretty hands off from my homework, school organization and scheduling. They would inquire if I had homework but never had rules about it being done before this or that. It was not about not caring about my schooling, they were very interested in my schooling. It was about giving me the opportunity to learn how to organize my school life. It was up to me how to schedule my time, it was up to me to bow out of something or delay something if I hash homework, and after a few late nighters I learned. I never once was told I couldn't do something because homework was not done. I got to choose myself whether I should do it.
College really does leave you absolutely high and dry. Nobody says you can't do this and that until the homework is done. It's up to you to impose that upon yourself. Without practice doing so I don't know how a kid could possibly handle that.
Wonder how the kids are doing socially at school? That's an important piece of the puzzle, too.Do they stick together, or have separate friends? Do they ever see their friends out of school> I gather the twins do. I think TFW said there were 2 tups per class. How do they divide them and do they change that combo each year?
Yeah, I know it's not my business but since Kate put it out there that the kids are doing so well, just makes you think what does that really mean? All six can't be perfect at every aspect of school achievement nor should they be expected to be equal to each sibling in every way.
It amazes me that Kenny and Bobbi McCaughey can raise 8 children without a TV show and do it well. All of their children are on the honor roll accept one, and they did not disclose which one. They all speak nicely of each other, have chores around the house, etc. Bobbi is a SAHM, (no kidding) and I think they have done a very good job with all 8 of their kids. Too bad Katie did not emulate more than the free house and gifts they received when the kids were born. The oldest daughter was never left out as far as attention goes.
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It's times like this I'm convinced Gladys does not have a husband or children. Really, you're a wife and mother, and you've been working all week, and you're spending your Friday night defending someone you don't know? Repeatedly? Declaring what's true and what's not true about her children -- who you also don't know? Nine people you've never met, and it's your mission to fight for them?
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It's very creepy. I think she actually believes she's the Christof (the Truman Show) of the Gosselin 8.
"I know you better than you know yourself."
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College really does leave you absolutely high and dry. Nobody says you can't do this and that until the homework is done. It's up to you to impose that upon yourself. Without practice doing so I don't know how a kid could possibly handle that.-------
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I have several friends that are college professors. They have all commented on how difficult a time the current crop of students have taking feedback and criticism. Some of them have never heard it, because they have been coddled and praised for everything they do, and, 2) their work has been corrected by parents before it is turned in. How can a teacher assess and address weaknesses if the parents many them?
In Boy Scouts, the annual slot car races (not sure if that is correct--it is the small unmanned wooden cars that race down an inclined track) were complete tell taken over by the fathers. Each kid was given a blocky wooden race car to "decorate". The fathers whittled, sanded and added strategic weights to reduce the wind shear and increase speed. My kid just painted his in primary colors, and didn't make any improvements--and neither did we! The other kids showed up with cars that looked like they had been professionally painted, with NASCAR stickers, etc. My sones got halfway down the track, and a wheel fell off and it pitched over the side. I thought that this was one of the most insane and pointless behaviors a parent could do, because of the unfairness it generated, and it wasn't judged by what the kid even did. I wouldn't have minded if the parents had guided the kid to do his own research on ergonomics and wind-speed, and supervised making the alterations that the kid came up with on his own. That is what an involved parent would do. So, instead of a friendly competition, that event has evolved into a pissing contest between the dads. What did the kids learn from that? To exploit the system, gain an unfair advantage, win at all costs.
One more thing--
My daughter is teaching kindergarten at a highly academic private school--she is teaching a first grade curriculum. She said that all of the homework is coming back completely error free. How is she supposed to assess where the weaknesses are and children who may need extra attention? It does a disservice to the kids, and hinders my daughter in doing her job.
The cost of tuition at their school ranges from about $3500 in the early grades to $23000 in the upper grades, per year. About 25% receive some financial aid and 100% go on to college.
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Side pt...fact that U attend #ParentTeacherConf shows U are a supportive, involved parent N kids education! #ReasonTheyThrive
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As their father Jon may also have attended the conference or had his own with the teachers however he didn't post anything about it for the world to see and TFW would never give him credit for anything. From past reports from locals, Jon was the one attending school activities and not TFW.
Local to Berks @107...I find it hard to believe that 100% of the students every year from time immemorial to to college. Don't any of them ever decide to go to acting school? Not one has ever deceived to attend cordon bleu school rather than go to college? Not one has ever been a mediocre student and decided that college may not be for them and opted for a technical school? Not one has ever decided to join the Peace Corps or whatever it may be called these days? Not one has ever gotten pregnant and married directly out of high school? I'm not trying to be argumentative, it's just hard to believe that 100% always go to college.
Saw this on a Facebook post and thought it was interesting. This is from the same mom.
I remember talking with my semi-adult kids about how tough it was when they were small and how broke I was all the time... my eldest son said "wow, I always thought we were rich. We had each other and went to the park every weekend.
Well they didn't go hungry - there were a lot of macaroni and cheese with tuna/peas shared and then popcorn!
Ex Nurse said... 105
In Boy Scouts, the annual slot car races (not sure if that is correct--it is the small unmanned wooden cars that race down an inclined track) were complete tell taken over by the fathers.
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Back in the day, my brother and father were very into soap-box derby. Not only ergonomic cars, but much attention to "breaking in" the wheels, even using machines to do it. Some changed the bearings, which was illegal. What is all this teaching kids?
This was more than 50 years ago, so things may not have changed as much as some of us would like to think.
Hard to believe said... 109
Local to Berks @107...I find it hard to believe that 100% of the students every year from time immemorial to to college.
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I could almost believe that 100% start college due to intense pressure, but bet the proportion who graduate from college is much smaller.
@MiloandJack: @Kateplusmy8 Side pt...fact that U attend #ParentTeacherConf shows U are a supportive, involved parent N kids education! #ReasonTheyThrive
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Gladys is getting really bent out of shape over this. lol
Kate talked to the teachers. That's why it's called a parent/teacher conference. She's supposed to be there just like the other parents of the other students in the school.
Get over it, Milo.
This is where the upselling of schools like this can get a little bit much. They boast on their web site "seniors accepted into four year universities: 100%. But to be accepted to a four year college, you have to apply first. They don't say anything about students who chose another path and never even APPLIED in the first place. Notice they don't say 100% of their seniors go to college. They say Accepted into a four year college: 100%. The word play is a subtle, and frankly, sneaky way to disguise the statistics. No, it's not credible that every single senior since the dawn of this school has gone to a four year college, especially when there are other good options for bright kids like the peace corp or the military, a gap year, or even unexpected things that delay college like a car accident or an ill family member, which always happens year to year at my public school.
For that matter, I didn't know anyone at my public school who didn't get into a four year college who APPLIED. If you are serious about college, you make sure you have at least one or two "safety" schools where you are overqualified so you are sure to get in SOMEWHERE. Lancaster doesn't say anything about what percentage get their FIRST CHOICE of schools or what percentage gets into a really good school. For all we know half those kids are getting into safety schools, or not, they don't say, in a sneaky effort to trump up their own successes. Resume padding.
However, I knew lots of people who didn't apply to a four year college in the first place. Therefore, I suppose our acceptance rate at four year colleges at my public school was TECHNICALLY 100% too. Of those who APPLIED, 100% got in. Everyone at least got their safety school, because nobody was stupid enough not to apply to a safety school. Dollars to donuts any private school would sure as heck make sure every single student is applying to a safety school so as not to mess up their misleading "stats."
From the school Wiki:
The school has maintained a 100% acceptance rate to four year colleges/universities by its graduating seniors.[3]
That's different than 100% going on to college. That says 100% of students who applied to college got in. Well, if that includes community college....
Thanks, Local. I was curious about the tuition because Kate has many expenses and it just seems to me that her income, even with investments, could not possibly be sustaining her lifestyle. She has got to be sucking money saved from the glory days to meet her bills.
Admin, ITA regarding Ivy League colleges versus second tier schools. Studies are proving that it's not necessary to go into debt attending Harvard when you can attend a second tier school and make virtually the same salary after graduation. Also in regards to private versus public schooling, ITA it has to do with the home environment. Kate could send those kids to public school and just continue with tutors and the kids would be just fine academically. The concept of a private school, in Kate's mind, goes along with her image of being better than everyone else plus the private school does a good job of keeping info about the kids quiet. I would hope, however, that the school does not cover up any disciplinary problems with the kids because I was surprised when the two expelled tups were re-admitted. Judging by the behavior seen on TV, I'd say some of the kids are still acting out and not pleasant to be around. I guarantee that when they are in high school their classmates will not be keeping their opinions private.
My boys are in grade 3 and 4 respectively. I love both of their teachers' philosophy this year - no regular homework (only study materials for tests. Both believe that there is enough time allocated during the school day to complete all assignments. If they don't complete during the day, then they have homework. That's a pretty big motivator for them. They of course have to do 20 to 30 minutes of reading every day, but it is a book of their choice, and is part of their bedtime routine.
The other day my oldest son had a bit of homework. I looked it over and saw a couple of errors. I asked him if he checked everything, he said yes ( I know he didn't). I left it at that.
Guess my kids won't be succesful if I'm not "barking" in their ear, right Milo?
By the way they actually do have the list of colleges their seniors went to this year, and with the exception of ONE student who got into UPenn, there isn't a single other Ivy League on the list.
Most of the colleges are actually rather mediocre. Looks like a few of them are even some of those for profit schools, and half a dozen are tiny liberal arts schools no one has ever heard of. They will get a fine education at any of them I'm sure, but it's not a list you wouldn't see at any other public school. The only other ones that are super competitive that I can see are NYU, Sarah Lawrence and Boston University. Props to the three kids who got in there.
No Cornell, no Harvard, no Princeton. Those schools can be see on any halfway decent public school list.
Math Girl said... 79
Here's an article about school cutoffs and red-shirting in Pennsylvania.
http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/lifestyles/family/s_737333.html#axzz3GTOSLbqd
Because the cut-off is around Sept 1 (Sept 30 in some districts), and the twins were born in October, they would be among the oldest in their grades if they started school at the "normal" time. If they turned 14 when were in grade 8, that would be expected. Using their due-date instead of their birth date wouldn't make any difference - it wouldn't push them over a cut-off line.
The tups were born on May 10, with a due date of approximately July 19. That means if they started school "at the normal time", they would be among the younger in their class. If you use July 19, and a cutoff of Sept 1, they would be among the youngest 12% of their class (43 days/365days = 12%). That can be a pretty heavy burden for a kid to bear.
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Uh, no they wouldn't. It depends on when the other kids were born, not on the cut-off date. If, for example, the rest of their classmates were born between July 20 and Sept 1, that would make them the oldest in their class.
The only other ones that are super competitive that I can see are NYU, Sarah Lawrence and Boston University. Props to the three kids who got in there.
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I'm not sure how you are defining "super competitive," but Sarah Lawrence has an acceptance rate of over 75% and NYU and BU admit about 1 in 3, which I wouldn't put in the "super competitive" category.
Yep, Kate tweeted just to show that she's involved in the kids education, and Milo jumped right on it:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2h2 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 Side pt...fact that U attend #ParentTeacherConf shows U are a supportive, involved parent N kids education! #ReasonTheyThrive
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Good lord, Milo. That's what parents do. They show up for conferences. It's expected, and in some schools it is mandatory. Reason they thrive? Because Kate shows up for conferences? It has nothing to do about the kids working their butts off? They thrive because of Kate. This person is nuts. No question about it.
I have no idea what "numbers" your freakeconomics gurus have crunched to arrive at the conclusion that the quality of K-12 schools does not matter, but there is a plethora of research contradicting that finding.
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They explain it in great detail in their books. They are used to people being upset when they tell them this and many other things. By their extensive and very thorough research, the single biggest and dominate factor in how well a child does is their home life. Not their school, not their church, not their community, not their friends, nothing else. Their home life. They are well aware that this is a shocking and upsetting conclusion for many people who have tried to improve things outside the home. I don't think they were suggesting however that schools and other things should not be improved in light of this conclusion.
I'm not sure how you are defining "super competitive," but Sarah Lawrence has an acceptance rate of over 75% and NYU and BU admit about 1 in 3, which I wouldn't put in the "super competitive" category.
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Fair enough. So none of the schools on there are all that competitive other than perhaps UPenn.
I don't know that people aren't even applying to those schools in the first place, which would make them less competitive by virtue of people who aren't going to get in anyway not even applying in the first place.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 121
They explain it in great detail in their books. They are used to people being upset when they tell them this and many other things. By their extensive and very thorough research, the single biggest and dominate factor in how well a child does is their home life. Not their school, not their church, not their community, not their friends, nothing else. Their home life. They are well aware that this is a shocking and upsetting conclusion for many people who have tried to improve things outside the home. I don't think they were suggesting however that schools and other things should not be improved in light of this conclusion.
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If you choose to believe a conclusion drawn by one group of researchers that contradicts volumes of other research, that is your business. However, "shocking" and "accurate" are not one and the same. Luckily, these people don't have the power to stop people from working daily to improve schools. Children who come from challenging backgrounds deserve to have schools that help them overcome those challenges. To believe that schools can't make a powerful difference is woefully ignorant. Your gurus can sit behind a desk and crunch whatever "numbers" they please, but it won't change the reality that there are some amazing schools out there that are changing lives and some horrible ones that are destroying them.
Studies are proving that it's not necessary to go into debt attending Harvard when you can attend a second tier school and make virtually the same salary after graduation. Also in regards to private versus public schooling, ITA it has to do with the home environment. Kate could send those kids to public school and just continue with tutors and the kids would be just fine academically.
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Agree. Kids I nannied for, celebrity children who went to school with Pam Anderson's kids (also public school kids), did very well at their public school for years. Their dad wanted them to be "normal" in public school. Their mom pushed for posh private school for years and finally won out.
Well, as soon as they started private school things went downhill. The drinking, the drugs, and ultimately, not caring about academics, and being kicked out of school, for one of them twice. I don't know if things would have been better in public school, but private school certainly didn't help them any. And I really am not fond of the fact that one of them was doing drugs AT SCHOOL along with many other shenanigans that happened on campus at these prep schools, including massive food fights all the time in the cafeteria and other completely unacceptable behavior. Where was this wonderful private school allowing this to happen?
Both of them basically had to be bought into college, and after all that, their colleges are completely mediocre and forgetable. What a waste of money that all was. One of the private elite schools was 30,000 bucks a year. I think it would have been better to be around middle class kids, normal kids, like they were before. I loved their friends BEFORE. Sometimes the more money kids have the easier it is to get into all those things.
I think this kind of thing is for some kids, but not all kids. What's "better" for some kids may actually be worse for others.
Katie and the college funds be damned.
These children have EARNED their tuition to this island of stability that has protected their privacy to the extent that it was under the school's control.
No offense to Jon, who I'm sure loves his children but due to a variety of reasons, has an evolving lifestyle. Stability is important to children.
Why is this school being picked apart and criticized? Just because there aren't any Ivy Leagues on there last year doesn't mean that these kids consistently choose only mediocre colleges. I remember a few years ago when there were students who attended Cornell, Harvard, Princeton, three went to UPenn and each one of those (UPenn) is now in med school.
The kids seem to be happy and doing well there. Just let them be. It seems that because Kate is so disliked and she chose to send her kids to that school, then the school is guilty (and bad) by association. I think maybe this is one time in her life when she made a good decision, regardless of why that choice was made.
"I could almost believe that 100% start college due to intense pressure, but bet the proportion who graduate from college is much smaller."
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I think you'd be incorrect about that.
uckily, these people don't have the power to stop people from working daily to improve schools.
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They never said people shouldn't try to help. In fact they encourage problem solving, it's one of their biggest things. They are merely suggesting the cause and effect we think is going on may not be at all.
In fairness I think their books should be read before brushing them off. They are extremely well regarded. They are by no means the "freaks" their title suggests.
The kids seem to be happy and doing well there. Just let them be. It seems that because Kate is so disliked and she chose to send her kids to that school, then the school is guilty (and bad) by association.
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I think the kids should go there. I simply think Kate's motivations for sending them there are more about image and less about really delving into if it's TRULY "better", and that the way many people perceive some of these schools may be flat out wrong. Again, of course all the students do well. They don't let IN students who are bad students in the first place. You simply cannot compare a private school to a public school unless that private school lets everyone in, including D students and those with special needs. This school does not no more than any other private school does, they can't.
I think we're just discussing an interesting issue we've discussed before, are private schools really better. Kate often takes us down interesting roads like that. It has nothing to do with Kate or her kids, they should go wherever, it's only their money she is burning away. I've always felt this way about schools, Kate didn't change that.
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uckily, these people don't have the power to stop people from working daily to improve schools.
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They never said people shouldn't try to help. In fact they encourage problem solving, it's one of their biggest things. They are merely suggesting the cause and effect we think is going on may not be at all.
In fairness I think their books should be read before brushing them off. They are extremely well regarded. They are by no means the "freaks" their title suggests.
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Fair enough. And in turn, you should read the plethora of research about what does and doesn't make a good school before concluding that they are correct. There are all kinds of studies comparing schools with the same basic socio-demographics that have completely different outcomes for kids. If home environment were the most relevant factor, that would not be the case.
There are all kinds of studies comparing schools with the same basic socio-demographics that have completely different outcomes for kids. If home environment were the most relevant factor, that would not be the case.
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I think what they would say to that is that the good schools may attract families who are already very motivated to have a good home life in the first place, regardless of background. Two identical socio-economic families, one with a good home life one with a bad. The family with a good home life may move heaven and earth to ensure their child is attending the "good" school versus the bad one, while a family that doesn't care with a bad home life would send their kids wherever. Thus, it could still be the home life. They are not just talking about your socio-economic background. They are talking about parents who are supportive of their kids, their school, ask about school, talk to teachers, help with homework. That is not always dependent on being rich or poor. They tend to really be skeptical of when research works backwards from a conclusion. They are not discounting good schools, they are merely saying it is a much smaller factor than we want it to be.
Having done a bit of Googling and found that their entire premise is based on test scores, I am even more skeptical. Test scores are not the only measure of academic achievement.
I think the kids should go there. I simply think Kate's motivations for sending them there are more about image and less about really delving into if it's TRULY "better", 132
I agree. I think it is important to differentiate between Katie's motives (always suspect) and what benefits the kids. Unbelievably, sometimes (SOMETIMES) the two overlap.
Over In TFW's County said... 131
Why is this school being picked apart and criticized?
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Maybe because any time anyone dares to say one word that doesn't make the school seem like heaven on earth, one or two locals jump in to rush to its defense, which can be a wee bit annoying?
Someone should ask Mrs. Kravitz who was the hands-on parent involved in all of their school activities when Kate was off doing her own thing...DWTS, book signings, traveling, and whatever. It was JON! Yes, Jon...that person Milo hates with a passion. He was there for them, picnics, field trips, other events, when she was too busy to be bothered. And yes, this is fact.
From the school website:
50 percent of LCDS graduates are more likely to have studied algebra and a foreign language by 8th grade.
What do you suppose this means? Half of the students are more likely to have studied the subjects and half of them are less likely to have studied the subjects? They need a statistician, stat. Or maybe a writer. Or both.
Oops. Hit publish too soon (and I haven't had a drop to drink yet)!
I remember when Kate showed up for one field trip, a nature hike. She bitched the whole time, made the other parents and teachers feel horrible, and I think she even tweeted or blogged about it.
Statistical anomolies:
Pierre Elliott Trudeau's first two sons were both born on Christmas day, 2 years apart. His third son had a different birthdate. You might think labor indiction or caesarean section, but on Christmas?
I remember when Kate showed up for one field trip, a nature hike. She bitched the whole time, made the other parents and teachers feel horrible, and I think she even tweeted or blogged about it. 141
I remember that too. She's a mean one, Katie Grinch.
My story: I had a November birthday with a December 31 cutoff, making me young within the class. Then I skipped Grade Two when we moved ( but a lot of kids did so I had friends the same age) And, I was put in a split-grade class all through elementary school- so I was in the lower grade with classmates in the higher grade of the split, some at least a couple of years older than I was! For me this was fine; the older kids treated me like a baby sister, I had friends who also had skipped a grade, and I was proficient at my work. I hear they don't 'accelerate' kids anymore; also no one fails a grade?? I think the situation varies child to child.
Here I know the trend is to hold kids back who are close to the cutoff.
Parents think their child might be more mature and do better which is reasonable, and some even think it will give the the edge on the sports field.
Good golly, Gladys, put away your box of gold stars for a minute
and get a grip. Praising a parent for attending Parent/Teacher Night...it's practically patronizing. The woman has no day job.
Unless she was stricken with malaria, she'd better darn well haul herself in to school for that.
PA Dutch Mom (#141), I think TFW tweeted about a "boring" hike.
And didn't she also tweet in the middle of a Parents Night? Where
are our Gosselin historians to confirm?
My story: In Canada I was young within my Gr 1 class, having a November birthday with a December cutoff. Then we moved after the school year, and I was put right into Gr 3. Luckily there was a number of other students who skipped a grade with me. Then, I was placed in a split-grade class all through elementary school, so I was at least a couple of years younger than classmates in the upper grade of the split, especially those with a January birthday. It worked out ok for me since I had same-age friends and was proficient at my work. The older students treated me like a baby sister. However, I don't think this is a good idea. I hear they don't accelerate students anymore; also no one 'fails' a grade.Luckily in those days, there was Gr 13 in Canada, so I was given time to mature before university.
The trend here seems to be holding kids back, hoping they will be more mature if on the younger side of a class This is reasonable.. It also gives kids an edge on the sports fields.This is not reasonable! JMO.
Thanks, Native. Long story short, I am sure the school is quite good. I am glad the kids have the opportunity to attend there. I attended both public and private school and there just was no difference (I was middle class). Both had good and bad teachers. Both had friendly kids and bullies. I'll just come out and say it, but in many areas private school is the alternative for white families. I think that was the reason my parents sent me initially to private school, but in 7th grade we moved and suddenly public school was ok. You get my drift.
Now I would be interested to know how anyone here can vouch that the kids feel safe there, doing well academically, and are well adjusted. You cannot believe everything Kate says. She wants the world to believe she is raising "alone" eight perfect kids. I think she would go to great lengths to nip anything negative leaking out.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 143
Good golly, Gladys, put away your box of gold stars for a minute and get a grip. Praising a parent for attending Parent/Teacher Night...it's practically patronizing.
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It's so much more. It is a many splendored thing. It's love.
I'll bet she has 8X11 glossies of TFW taped to her mirror and framed photos of her on her nightstand.
Kate went to a meeting with the teachers and then tweeted that all the kids were doing great. She said nothing about the teachers, probably because she has little respect for them after two of the kids were suspended. We know how much she holds a grudge.
After the way she wrote in her not-my-journal journal about M and C's teachers, you could pretty much surmise she didn't like anyone but herself having control over her kids. I do not think for a minute anything about her has changed.
I think that perhaps instead of bashing the kids' school for their policies, stats, grads not going to prestigious universities, it should be commended for putting up with Kate's antics and attitude all of these years. That must take some tongue-biting on its part.
Maybe because any time anyone dares to say one word that doesn't make the school seem like heaven on earth, one or two locals jump in to rush to its defense, which can be a wee bit annoying?
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How can it be annoying when they're defending a school and speaking the truth from personal experience? Maybe because they ARE local, are LCDS parents or know kids in the school, have first-hand experience rather than those who sit on the sideline from far away and just criticize without really knowing anything about the school?
If it's annoying, then I'll refrain from posting. I wouldn't want to cause any aggravation here! We have enough of that with Gladys!
I like to here from the local posters. They do have more personal experience and knowledge of what's going on in the area- we others just guess from the convoluted half-truth tweets of TFW , the filmed scripted specials, various sources such as the RH book, statements from Beth, Jon etc, the media portrayal of the family and other misc. We have our own ideas, but what the locals share is extremely important if we are going to discuss TFW. Plus you are all great!
(All I know about the school is what TFW has said, its website...and info from locals!)
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Maybe because any time anyone dares to say one word that doesn't make the school seem like heaven on earth, one or two locals jump in to rush to its defense, which can be a wee bit annoying?
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How can it be annoying when they're defending a school and speaking the truth from personal experience? Maybe because they ARE local, are LCDS parents or know kids in the school, have first-hand experience rather than those who sit on the sideline from far away and just criticize without really knowing anything about the school?
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You're not speaking the "truth" based on personal experience, you are offering an opinion based on personal experience. Someone else's experience might be different. I understand wanting to defend a school to which you have a personal connection, but IMO people take it a bit far and make it seem like the school is the most revered institution in the country.
I know nothing about the school and have no opinion on it, positive or negative, but I think some of the criticism is in response to the fawning. I find it annoying but others may not.
I think that perhaps instead of bashing the kids' school for their policies, stats, grads not going to prestigious universities, it should be commended for putting up with Kate's antics and attitude all of these years.
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I haven't noticed anyone "bashing" the school. I've seen posts stating facts posted on the school's website regarding their student's college admissions, but I don't consider comparing and contrasting them to other schools to be bashing.
As for commending the school, any school, for putting up with a difficult parent? Yes, I agree TFW is a pain the the arse and less than what I consider to be an involved, supportive, and engaged in her children's education, but I don't think they deserve a star for doing their jobs - educating their students and readying them to be successful, productive citizens. Teaching and administrating the education of our children today is challenging and I'm not diminishing the hard work they do, but I don't think the LCD teachers are doing more or necessarily have it tougher because they have to deal with TFW than any other teacher anywhere else.
There is an old Beach Boys song,"Be True To Your School" (1963, so it's old!) that may explain why quite a few locals in the community are quick to defend the school! There's nothing wrong with that.
I don't think that Milo has kids. If she did, she'd know that attending conferences is something that every parent does. She seems to be so out of touch with everything...everything except Kate. What would happen if TFW would disappear from Twitter? Would Milo's life, as she knows it, end right there?
Someone asked if anyone knows if the kids are happy, well-adjusted, and thriving at school. Isn't that something that, despite what Kate claims, should be kept private? Heaven knows that there is so little in their lives that is just that. Just my opinion.
I think that perhaps instead of bashing the kids' school for their policies, stats, grads not going to prestigious universities, it should be commended for putting up with Kate's antics and attitude all of these years. That must take some tongue-biting on its part.
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Ha! Excellent point!
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 4m4 minutes ago
It was a lovely day.. simply bc SIX yrs ago, the most wonderful dog ever was born! Happy Birthday, Shoka! We ❤️ you!
When all else fails, drag out the pet pictures. Cue Milo, 3, 2, 1.
Maybe she's in the shower and can't get to her computer fast enough! It's coming, though...she won't disappoint.
Barbara Gilmer @BarbGilmer 1m1 minute ago
@Kateplusmy8 He looks scared.
LOL, Barb. Wouldn't you be if Kate were in your face? Terrified would be more like it!
A picture of Zorro on a motorcycle, a tweet about the kids parent-teacher conferences, and now Shoka's birthday. She's nothing if not predictable. BTW, I like hearing from the locals.
@Kateplusmy8: It was a lovely day.. simply bc SIX yrs ago, the most wonderful dog ever was born! Happy Birthday, Shoka! We ❤️ you! pic.twitter.com/3scyHIsuVV
@Kateplusmy8: We baked his cake and wrapped his presents (and then unwrapped them for him). Fed him his entire cake and then tucked him in fat and happy!
Funny but my bulldog can (and does) unwrap his own presents. That's half the fun! We loosely wrap only around the center so he has the joy of tearing the paper up.
Barbara Gilmer @BarbGilmer 1m1 minute ago
@Kateplusmy8 He looks scared.
He's in shock Barb. No one's paid any attention to him since the bird came to live there.
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Funny but my bulldog can (and does) unwrap his own presents. That's half the fun! We loosely wrap only around the center so he has the joy of tearing the paper up.
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That is kate's M.O. She doesn't intend for any one or any animal to have a moment of joy of anything. Even unwrapping gifts. That poor, abused and confused baby.
She has the patent on deflect, deflect, deflect.
Right on cue, Milo responded four times about the Shoka picture - in less than 30 minutes. And she's probably not done yet. There is something so wrong with this person.
My mother was so smart in school. She did not start school until 1950 at the age of 7 in first grade. No preK, or K. So she did 1st grade and 2nd grade and then when she was suppose to go in to the 3rd grade, they wanted to put her in the 6th grade. My grandparents said no. But she went from 2nd grade to 5th grade. Then she had a chance to graduate at 16 and be out on her own! She had her a job as a teller at a gas board after school and would walk about 2 miles from school to work and walk and hitchhike, miles to get back home, even in the rain. Her aunt wanted to come and pick her up one day and her father refused to let her drive his old pickup to go and get her. My mother lived with her grandparents, father and aunt.
My mother was so mature for her age and she wanted to graduate at 16, move out and get a boarding room and work at the gas board and be out on her own. But my grandfather refused to let her. I feel so bad that she wasn't able to do that.
I don't understand why some here have animosity toward the "locals." I've never considered their posts to be bragging or annoying. They seem to be close to the situation and therefore know what goes on more so than others. In fact, I like to read the opinions/facts from those who do live in Kate's area. It beats the plethora of speculation, especially on Twitter, about what's going on in Kate world. Of course, Milo lives on another planet. She and Kate walk hand in hand into the sunset together, so absolutely nothing she says is credible.
Speaking of sheeple, has the Defective ceased her rantings, or is this the calm before the storm? She really is a strange one.
BTW, I like hearing from the locals.
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Well, alrighty then. Let's break open that keg! Auntie Ann, where are you?
We've had the two most gorgeous days ever here, now that the monsoon is gone and Kate's kids are dry. What will she whine (or wine) about now? Too much sun?
It's crisp tonight, and when I let the dogs out, I could smell a bonfire down the road in the farmer's field. I thought of admin, even though I don't know her, because I remembered that she once said she misses autumn in PA. You should be here now, admin.
Milo. Ah, Milo. Wouldn't we miss her if she disappeared? I know she's predictable, annoying, obnoxious and yes, there is something seriously wrong with her, but it's interesting to see to what extreme her lusting for Kate will take her.
She needs to get a few more tweets in tonight. It's time for LOM to make his rounds. She hasn't mentioned the vanilla ice cream in quite awhile. I wonder if she's sworn off sweets (except for Kate).
Sleepless In Seattle said... 164
I don't understand why some here have animosity toward the "locals." I've never considered their posts to be bragging or annoying.
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The regulars here don't seem to find the locals annoying.... : )
There is an old Beach Boys song,"Be True To Your School" (1963, so it's old!)
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Thanks a lot, All This. The song is now stuck in my head!
OT: Upworthy has a animated video made by Sesame Street showing a mother taking her small daughter and son to go see their father in prison. What got me is they are not allowed to even touch their father. That is so sad!!!
Why can't they have it where good behavior gets you hugs with your kids.
Presents and a cake? No pictures = no proof. If this happened,
my guess is that it was filmed, to show the oh-so-loving pet mom
TFW is.
And gag me with her rainbows and unicorns remembrance of
6 years ago today. Shouldn't there be an asterisk next to that
statistic, as she actually gave the dog away? And we all heard
her say on the show how disinterested she was when she
met the dog breeder, and that when he talked, she just heard
blah-blah-blah. And the cherry on top of that episode: when
the kids thanked her for their new puppies and she said,
"You're not welcome!" So this revisionist history is a little
hard to take.
I love the locals who post on here! Sometimes they have info, sometimes not. That's ok. I think we are all glad that Milo is not a local. And hopefully, hundreds and hundreds of miles away.
AuntieAnn said... 54
Mrs. Gump pulled some strings to keep Forrest in school too. lol
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AuntieAnn said... 64
If Kate would just keep her yap shut about their 'private' schooling there would be no reason for that idiot stick to keep up the defense. Kate knows this but can't stop herself. They both need their heads examined.
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Thanks, Auntie. I just got this picture in my head of Kate's brain and Milo's brain each in a glass jar, ala Young Frankenstein. It would be very difficult to decide which one is "Abby Normal". Probably a tie.
maggie yeaman @MaggieYeaman 5m5 minutes ago
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 do you know her in person as you know so much about her .
Come on, Mrs. Gladys. Answer this one!
Pa Dutch Mom said...
If it's annoying, then I'll refrain from posting. I wouldn't want to cause any aggravation here! We have enough of that with Gladys
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I enjoy hearing your perspective! I am very mixed on my opinion of private schools. I think my biggest problem with it is that private schools drains the public schools of the most able, economically stable and functional students and families. Which puts a financial strain on the school districts, because it leaves the kids that require more services who are more expensive to educate. It is like the healthy care system needing young people to average out the older people who require more care. So, while I don't really have any objections to private schools, I do believe that they are detrimental to the public school system. Every child should have the resources and smaller class sizes that private schools can offer. But, I don't blame anyone who wants that kind of experience for their child.
Totally OT - I just watched the second episode of AHS Freak Show and I have never been afraid of clowns until now! I have never seen a clown as creepy as this in my life. I might have to start watching the recorded episodes during the day...yes, he's that bad.
HBO announced that it was completely getting off the cable systems and having it's own HBO to Go. I think you can put it on your electronic devices.
PA Dutch Mom said... 166
BTW, I like hearing from the locals.
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Well, alrighty then. Let's break open that keg! Auntie Ann, where are you?
We've had the two most gorgeous days ever here, now that the monsoon is gone and Kate's kids are dry. What will she whine (or wine) about now? Too much sun?
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I'm rolling another keg onto the veranda, PA. I agree there is nothing like the smell of an autumn bonfire. Of course they've outlawed the burning of leaves inside our city limits but I occasionally toss a few in the fire pit just to get that delicious aroma in the air. So sue me.
I have something to whine about: Our neighbors cut down a beautiful old - now I have to be careful how I type this- pinus ponderosa tree today that grew between our houses. It was gorgeous and provided a lovely scent, much needed shade, privacy and perfumed pine cones for the festive season.
I can now look out the window and peer directly into their kitchen to see what they are eating if I so desire. I was saddened by the ruthless slaughter of my green friend. It took years to grow and less than two hours for it to meet its demise. I mourn its passing.
Back to the blog... I always enjoy reading the locals' input and stories as I know others here do as well.
Bottoms up ladies and any gentlemen who share this veranda.
Did anything ever come out of that class action that BV claimed he filed on behalf of the injured sheeple? Are they still in his camp, claiming that he's the best thing since fried chicken feet?
NJ Gal said, "Totally OT - I just watched the second episode of AHS Freak Show and I have never been afraid of clowns until now! I have never seen a clown as creepy as this in my life. I might have to start watching the recorded episodes during the day...yes, he's that bad."
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As bad as "IT?" The way that thing crawled out of the sink gave me nightmares.
But how do we know who is local and who is not? I mean, I could say I'm local and work at the school but would anyone believe me?
I wonder what Milo and CJ would do if they took a road trip to Kate's neighborhood and tried to speak to Kate if they saw her out in the stores and Kate wasn't civil to them. I wonder if they would still worship her..
I too enjoy the locals posts.
Remember if tfw's mouth is moving (or her talons are tweeting) she's lying or is katespeaking. We all remember her going around and around about the 2 tups suspension don't we?
ladybug said... 181
But how do we know who is local and who is not? I mean, I could say I'm local and work at the school but would anyone believe me?
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I'm reading from the bottom up, so...
I know of about 3 locals who have been long-time posters here and I firmly believe they live in Kate's area.
They are really wonderful veranda members!!
OK, off to catch up reading again- we did a garage sale yesterday, so it was busy, and no, I didn't bitch to DH like Kate did!
It was a few neighbors who used our driveway and our neighbor's driveway and it was actually really fun!
I have something to whine about: Our neighbors cut down a beautiful old - now I have to be careful how I type this- pinus ponderosa tree today that grew between our houses. It was gorgeous and provided a lovely scent, much needed shade, privacy and perfumed pine cones for the festive season.
I can now look out the window and peer directly into their kitchen to see what they are eating if I so desire
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Ugh! You need some creative window treatments now!
I don't want to see my lovely neighbors in their "all together", if 'ya know what I mean!
Searchers believe they've found the body of Hanna Graham in Albermarle County, VA.
I hope that they've found her and can bring her back home to her family.
redbirdsings said... 177
HBO announced that it was completely getting off the cable systems and having it's own HBO to Go. I think you can put it on your electronic devices.
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It's the way of the future.
Remember the Bruce Springsteen song "57 channels and nothing on"?
Well, now add about 3000 to that and it's still true.
Streaming and On Demand is changing the tv landscape, and it's improving the quality of viewing.
I think that that when people can actively choose what they want to view, instead of passively channel surf, they will think more about what they watch.
And the cherry on top of that episode: when
the kids thanked her for their new puppies and she said,
"You're not welcome!" So this revisionist history is a little
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Kate's full of it.
She was so disgustingly glib about those puppies and the breeder.
We have many animal lovers here and we all know just how excited we are to welcome a new fur baby into our lives and homes.
Kate keeps Shoka outdoors most of the time. He is not allowed upstairs and I'm willing to bet has NEVER shared a bed with the kids.
Sorry, she can try to fool people into thinking she cares about pets, but all the evidence is to the contrary.
Shoka is lucky to be alive. Yeah, I think it's that bad.
It's crisp tonight, and when I let the dogs out, I could smell a bonfire down the road in the farmer's field. I thought of admin, even though I don't know her, because I remembered that she once said she misses autumn in PA. You should be here now, admin.
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This weekend is pure Fall.
I'm going to braise and maybe we'll make a fire. At least, I'll flick on my gas fireplace.
Maybe I'll bake too...hmm...decisions, decisions!
@Kateplusmy8: It was a lovely day.. simply bc SIX yrs ago, the most wonderful dog ever was born! Happy Birthday, Shoka! We ❤️ you! pic.twitter.com/3scyHIsuVV
@Kateplusmy8: We baked his cake and wrapped his presents (and then unwrapped them for him). Fed him his entire cake and then tucked him in fat and happy!
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Uh, Nala was born that day, too.
I'm betting Kate baked a chocolate cake for Shoka.
I bet Jon talks to the teachers, too. He just doesn't announce it to the world. I think Jon also deals with the challenges the kids have, and doesn't sugar coat things like Kate does.
I have great doubt that all 8 kids are doing perfectly. No way.
2 were expelled and were lucky to be taken back in, and the kids are violent still!
So, no, not falling for this.
Tucker's Mom (#190), I thought the same thing - it was Nala's
birthday yesterday, too. Has she scrubbed the kids' memories
of their other beloved pet? Wasn't Nala the one who swallowed
the toy, and Jon took her to the vet while TFW was away, and
TFW complained about how expensive it was? If I'm wrong,
I'm sorry -- I certainly don't want to be someone who creates
details to support my story.
AuntieAnn, Gladys is probably envious of your treeless vista of
your neighbors. If only she had such an unfettered view of her
beloved's kitchen. No more asking for meal updates -- she could
check out the menu first hand!
Hmm--last year Kate tweeted this on Oct. 19:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · Oct 19
Happy 5th birthday, Shoka..We'll be celebrating tomorrow, complete with a doggy cake&huge boxes of his favorite Merrick dog bones #LOVEHIM
5:51 PM - 19 Oct 2013
But yesterday, Oct. 18, she tweeted this:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 13h
It was a lovely day.. simply bc SIX yrs ago, the most wonderful dog ever was born! Happy Birthday, Shoka! We ❤️ you!
6:11 PM - 18 Oct 2014
Seems like she doesn't even know when his exact birthday is, except that it's in the middle of October.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 192
Tucker's Mom (#190), I thought the same thing - it was Nala's
birthday yesterday, too. Has she scrubbed the kids' memories
of their other beloved pet? Wasn't Nala the one who swallowed
the toy, and Jon took her to the vet while TFW was away, and
TFW complained about how expensive it was? If I'm wrong,
I'm sorry -- I certainly don't want to be someone who creates
details to support my story.
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Yup, it was disgusting how Kate said with disdain that the surgery cost $2K or so.
Nala nearly died and there's Kate pissing and moaning about how much living beings cost.
This, from the woman who has spent countless thousands on cosmetic procedures.
She can get her hair done in Manhattan, but God forbid ONE kid needs glasses.
I despise Kate Gosselin...there I will own it... I despise her for what she has done & is still doing to her children, I despise her for being a lying liar who lies,& I especially despise her for what she has gleefully done to Jon...
All This - Pennywise never bothered me and I just downloaded the movie to rewatch to see which clown is the worst.
Granny57 said... 195
I despise Kate Gosselin...there I will own it... I despise her for what she has done & is still doing to her children, I despise her for being a lying liar who lies,& I especially despise her for what she has gleefully done to Jon...
October 19, 2014 at 7:06 AM
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Standing ovation.
NJGal51 said... 196
All This - Pennywise never bothered me and I just downloaded the movie to rewatch to see which clown is the worst.
October 19, 2014 at 7:11 AM
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IT gives me the shivers!
My neighbor has a scary clown hanging as a Halloween decoration.
Freaks.
Me.
Out.
Yes, Kate's so full of it, saying on that special she has always been an animal lover. Hugging koalas with the Irwins. Right. We know how she treated the dogs. We saw how rough she was and heard about her animal abuse.I recall her complaining about Nala's surgery- but also how Jon did not listen to the vet's instructions. I know he does love the dogs but that was definitely wrong. The kids do all the work and she has a groomer come to the house to pick up Shoka. I am happy Nala is out of there. The disregard for the fish she bought and used for a party game. Why she seems to love Zorro is beyond me. She was callous about the pecked chicken?? on the Home Roost episode.Some animal lover.She uses them just as she uses the kids for her own gain- a few sheeple's admiration.
Seems like she doesn't even know when his exact birthday is, except that it's in the middle of October.
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Kate's word game again. She doesn't say that his birthday is "tomorrow." She says that they will be celebrating tomorrow. Maybe she didn't know the date of his birthday, or she just wasn't organized enough to buy the cake on his actual birth date.
Neither tweet says the date he was born, only that it's been six years. You're right, maybe they just celebrate in the middle of October. At least they remember it.
Yes I also do believe the regulars here who say they are locals are locals. I have off blog reasons to know it's true too I can't delve into.
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Searchers believe they've found the body of Hanna Graham in Albermarle County, VA.
I hope that they've found her and can bring her back home to her family.
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As I've mentioned before I've been limiting my news intake and this sort of story is something that I have been purposely avoiding. However for the first time last night I spent a good 15 minutes catching up reading everything about it. It sounds like Matthew could be a serial killer, we'll see how many others they link him to. How absolutely horrifying. I pray for peace for her family and justice.
2 were expelled and were lucky to be taken back in, and the kids are violent still!
So, no, not falling for this.
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Often kids are totally different at school than they are at home. They could be perfect angels there because they know they aren't going to get away with bad behavior. Some kids have outbursts and meltdowns at home as a way of getting attention from their parents. At home, any attention is good, even if it's not praise, but rather punishment.
I need to go on a media diet, too.
ISIS, Ebola etc. It's non-stop hype.
Today, I'm making boeuf bourguignon, watching football and enjoying my puppies.
Shoka is lucky to be alive. Yeah, I think it's that bad. 188
Sadly, I agree with you.
And locals, please keep posting about whatever you want to comment on.
I need to go on a media diet, too.
ISIS, Ebola etc. It's non-stop hype.
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This is a good time to try the low information diet because there is a lot of doom and gloom, fear based reporting and hype. I'm not cold turkey. I allow myself to go to my news web sites in the morning and quickly skim maybe 3 or 4 articles, but I limit it to 5 minutes then move on, no more news for the day. And no more watching the news on TV. I do listen to AM radio in the car but that is more discussion than straight news, so I allow that. I've done this for about six months now and I like things this way.
Here's the article about it that inspired me:
http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/10/01/the-low-information-diet/
But how do we know who is local and who is not? I mean, I could say I'm local and work at the school but would anyone believe me?
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I could take a picture of myself in the Rumspringa Brewery holding today's newspaper, but I don't have Twitter, Instagram, FB or anything else. Even if I did, it could be claimed that it was photoshopped!
I've been "local" all of my life. Born and raised here. When Auntie Ann finally gets over here to visit, she'll vouch for me! That is, when we sober up.
Forecast calls for frost tonight. I'm just not ready for that ditty "When the frost is on the pumpkin, now that's the time for Dickie dunkin'" or something like that.
Admin, thanks for linking that article again.
My dear Mom used to watching a lot of tv before she passed away. She really couldn't tolerate a lot of physical activity, so tv was her entertainment.
The great stuff she watched was every single Phillies game, and figure skating.
She also watched way, way, way too much news and I swear it took years off of her life!
Oh, btw, I read Gone Girl and thanks to all who weighed in on the book. It was a REALLY good read at the OBX!
I know the feeling about news media overload, especially high profile cases one right after the other. I was there from the beginning with the Lacey and Connor Peterson case. Then Caylee Anthony. Then Natalie Holloway. I got totally immersed and saturated with each case. I promised myself when new ones came up, that would be over.
But this guy in the Hannah Graham case who has been under the radar like a thick fog around UVC for years is pulling me back in. If he would of been arrested at Liberty for rape while he was playing football, maybe Morgan, Hannah, and the other women would not of been affected. If he is found guilty, I hope he gets the Death Penalty.
Someone invented a nail polish so you can stick your finger in your drink to see if it has a drug in it. It changes color. That would be the fastest drink ever to be turned over!
In total agreement with the standing ovation!
Sweet irony when she gets down and has to ask Jon for help! Steve won't help her. You don't strut in your stilettos stomping the mediocre with a smile filled with expensive veneers forever!
PA Dutch Mom, we need proof of life! After all, no photo-never happened!!!!!
Thanks for the frost warning. I have a plant or two I need to bring in.
I was thinking about that field trip Kate took, the one where she was bored and actually had the nerve to admit it. I remember a trip to Gnome Countryside, down in Kirkwood, with the adventure led by Mr. Humphreys. It was the annual tradition for the Kindergarten kids for years and years, and Jon was the one who went with the kids and enjoyed it so much. It's an interactive program with nature studies, the environment, singing, stories, all interwoven in a magical world of gnomes. Kate would have called it ridiculous and wouldn't have appreciated any of it. Once again, it was Jon sharing this with his kids.
PA Dutch Mom said... 10
I was thinking about that field trip Kate took, the one where she was bored and actually had the nerve to admit it.'
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I remember Kate tweeting from a parents/teacher function!
I'm sure Jon is at least as involved as Kate.
Unless Kate grew a conscience since the kids were younger, she had obvious disdain for her kids' teachers and thought she was so much better than them.
I couldn't believe her disrespect for teachers, and doctors, in her diary!
Apparently, she is better than everyone else in Wernersville.
I was thinking about that field trip Kate took, the one where she was bored and actually had the nerve to admit it. 10
That perfectly sums up what is so wrong with her. She didn't think it took nerve. She thought parents and other people would agree with her.
She sucks the joy out of everything, even those all expense paid vacations.
I tend to believe the locals here. However, as someone else said, aside from factual statements, their experience is seen from their personal point of view which is the result of their own unique life experiences. For example, if some of the locals have never had the experience of public schools, then their perspective would probably be different than that of someone who has had kids in both. I appreciate the locals' perspective, as I do all of the posters here. But, just like anyone else here, they speak for themselves. I have to wonder why anyone would bother to get so heated up as to go on the attack. Just give your perspective and move on. I figure that anyone who does not take the time to give a reasoned response--just attacks the poster--isn't worth getting upset about.
Auntie Ann and PA Dutch Mom--let me know if you need a designated driver! Those winding, wooded roads sound very treacherous.
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