Celebrity Apprentice contestant Kenya Moore gave an interview this week where she had some interesting information to share about Kate and Steve.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/kenya-moore-kate-gosselin-bodyguard-hotel-room-20141711
879 sediments (sic) from readers:
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Redbirdsings said, " It got so bad, violent, perverted, mean and frightening my guys from the crew and band members jumped to my defense saying to him is your career worth this, for gods sake she's a little girl!"
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What violence did Crosby do to you. I am sorry he got in your face and screamed at you but you didn't state what was violent about this.
She has to know that there is a lot of truth of all of these. And she did nothing about them.
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How would she know if, back then, these women never came forward? Was she present when these assaults took place? What could she have done if she was unaware this was happening? The thing is that there is probably more to these stories than we will ever know...where did they occur, was his wife in the same house/hotel?
If these allegations are true, then yes, he should have been charged with rape and gone to trial. Is it too late for that now?
Can you imagine when BC when APE on that poor young crew girl if someone back then had whipped out a cell phone camera and filmed ALL of it? Sold it to TMZ? Wowza.
Even though cell phone cameras and TMZ didn't exist back then, I wonder since cameras were in the studio, I wonder if someone did tape it. Wouldn't that be something. If it were to come out, I wonder how Shirley would spin that?
She must of been terrified out of her mind! He is 6'1 and treating her like that. Flippity Bully!
Insane Nut. Job.
On facebook, sometimes someone would post stupid posts and I would get the 6 second clip of BC yelling at Theo "That's the dumbest thing I have ever heard of in my life". Really Funny.
But, never. ever. again.
I suppose his head is so bloated from superstardom that he thinks he's beyond reproach. He and his media reps and lawyers have more than likely decided that he should continue with his tours and whatever else is planned and ignore all this bad press in the hope it will somehow disappear or be forgotten. He's banking on that I would guess.
That might have been the thing to do 10 years ago and before but now with all the social media it isn't that easy anymore. The stories that are coming out will more than likely ruin him now even though he'll still have his diehard fans AKA sheeple who refuse to believe what a sicko he is.
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Of course his wife knew for many years about this:
Fox and CNN reported:
The stories of Cosby’s purported misdeeds have been around for about a decade, but they recently got new life when a comedian took aim at him and a social media stunt inviting fans to meme the comic went awry.
Vulture Magazine
March 8, 2005
Constand files a civil complaint against Cosby. The five-count lawsuit charges Cosby with battery and assault, and asks for at least $150,000 in damages. Thirteen women who allege similar experiences as Constand and Green are mentioned in court papers as Jane Doe witnesses.
March 8, 2005Constand files a civil complaint against Cosby. The five-count lawsuit charges Cosby with battery and assault, and asks for at least $150,000 in damages. Thirteen women who allege similar experiences as Constand and Green are mentioned in court papers as Jane Doe witnesses.
May 2005
In Constand’s civil lawsuit, she alleges the comedian gave her three blue pills, which he said was herbal medication. Cosby’s lawyers, however, issue a court filing and attempt to clarify that the comedian merely gave Constand one and a half tablets of Benadryl.
June 2005
Jane Doe 5 goes public. Beth Ferrier claims she was in a relationship with Cosby in the mid-1980s, one that ended when he allegedly drugged her coffee and Ferrier woke in a car. was so out of it. It was just awful."
February 2006
While in the midst of her civil suit, Constand sues one of Cosby’s lawyers — and the National Enquirer — for defamation. Cosby had spoken to the tabloid the year before, and Constand claimed the interview defamed her as it “[intended] to or knowing it would injure” her.
June 2006*
Philadelphia magazine interviews another witness in Constand’s lawsuit, Barbara Bowman. “Cosby threw me on the bed and braced his forearm against my neck and attempted to disrobe me and himself,” she said. “I can still remember him messing with his belt. And I was screaming and crying and yelling and begging him to stop.”
November 2006
Cosby settles with Constand. Terms are not disclosed, and none of the 13 other women testify.
December 2006
The following month, People magazine publishes Bowman's account of several assaults:
That same People article reports that three of the Jane Does from the March 2005 case accepted cash from Cosby for years, and two others began consensual sexual relationships with Cosby.
That same People article reports that three of the Jane Does from the March 2005 case accepted cash from Cosby for years, and two others began consensual sexual relationships with Cosby.
(Leslie)
More proof that his wife knew:
NewRepublic:
Over the course of the past decade, charges that Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted more than a dozen women have been reported in plenty of splashy venues: in Newsweek and Gawker, on-camera on "The Today Show" in 2005; in People magazine in 2006. During the same years, esteemed journalists including Kevin Merida and Ta-Nehisi Coates have dissected the racial messages that Cosby has been delivering around the country. Scholar Michael Eric Dyson even wrote a book about it.
I believe that I heard in one incident that BC was on a date-(don't know u could date while married) with a young lady and his wife was in the next room-(so she wasn't scared) BC's driver brought the lady to his room/hotel then the driver left and BC attempted to assault her but she escaped.
I watched the Dr.Phil interview with the grand-ma from hell to me she was just as bad as her sick husband and she needed to be locked away.
chefsummer, she was horrible wasn't she? Evil. And that friend of hers in the audience in part 2 was even worse. My heart goes out to those granddaughters and their 3 friends. I am so glad he is in jail forever!
That friend said that she guessed her daughters or granddaughters, can't remember which, must of not been good enough (to molest) but the granddaughters were. DP told the nutjob, Thank God that they weren't molested. People are getting more mentally ill by the minute!
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(Leslie)
More proof that his wife knew:
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That he was a rapist? No, there isn't. That he was a philandering scum-of-the-earth husband, most likely, but what about rape? There is no proof there that she knew he was a serial rapist (not saying none of this is true; if so, he should be hung out to dry), but I wonder that if the allegations are true, did she actually know to what extent his "misdeeds" went.
"That same People article reports that three of the Jane Does from the March 2005 case accepted cash from Cosby for years, and two others began consensual sexual relationships with Cosby."
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Why? You allege a man sexually assaults you, file a complaint against him for battery, and then you have a consensual sexual relationship with him? Makes no sense whatsoever.
Can someone's "art" be separate from who they are? I don't know the answer. I do know that thinking about BC makes my stomach churn.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2014/11/20/can-we-save-cliff-huxtable-from-bill-cosby/
I think we must divorce the good things from the bad. I didn't watch Cosby's TV shows but I sure laughed my butt off at his shows. I loved the comedy, still do, and yes, it's a talent and not easy to do. The women who were paid for their services fit another category.
I was so disappointed to hear all the things about Jack Kennedy, that the press knew about and didn't report thankfully, after being inspired by the man. I don't know what it is about these people but I wish I didn't know. Same with Clinton. I lose respect and feel cheated. Lied to. But I wasn't cheated, wasn't lied to, and it wasn't directly my business.
I just read in an article that Bill Cosby is worth $400 million and is the second richest black actor (I presume only Oprah is richer). $400 million! I knew Cosby was wealthy & influential, but I really had no idea it was on such a large scale. I can imagine that some of the victims might not want to come forward against such a powerful man.
I agree that BC isn't a sex fiend or horn dog. He's a predator. He'll probably eventually claim to be a sex addict but he's a power addict. He could have had all the sex he wanted but he needed to DRUG young woman to get his fix. I have a few of his books, I think I'll burn them.
Just saw that another TLC show is having problems. "My 5 Wives" (another polygamy family) has a grown daughter claiming her father raped her when she was 12. TLC really needs to be dismantled.
This is an excellent opinion piece on the BC situation.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/20/opinion/hill-bill-cosby-case-rape-culture/?cid=ob_articlesidebarall&iref=obnetwork
PJ
Here is a pertinent part of that editorial:
"Blaming the victim
Rather than offering criticism of Cosby's alleged actions, many have chosen to focus on the behavior of the accusers. Why were they alone with him in the first place? What were they wearing? How can they cry rape if they had consensual sex with him in the past? Why didn't they do more to physically fight him off?
This sensibility can be seen in my colleague Don Lemon's interview with Joan Tarshis, when he asked her why she didn't use her teeth to defend herself from Cosby's alleged sexual assault. Lemon responded to discussion of the interview Wednesday with an apology, saying "As I am a victim myself I would never want to suggest that any victim could have prevented a rape." Still, when such questions are raised, even by victims of sexual assault, we reinforce one of the dominant narratives of rape culture: "If you get raped, it's at least partially your own fault."
PJ
Fleecing the Sheeple said...
Why? You allege a man sexually assaults you, file a complaint against him for battery, and then you have a consensual sexual relationship with him? Makes no sense whatsoever.
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I don't think that's what happened. I think the assaults took place and the women weren't even mature enough to realize they had been raped. They went on to a consensual affair. Then as they matured they realized that what happened was wrong and they came forward.
PJ
Rhymes with Witch said... 12
Can someone's "art" be separate from who they are? I don't know the answer. I do know that thinking about BC makes my stomach churn.
Beth said...
I have a few of his books, I think I'll burn them.
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It is a moral dilemma. I'm on the side of burning the books. I will also never watch anything he is in. I couldn't look at his "art" without remembering this stuff, but he's not the artist. But if he owned the Mona Lisa would you even consider not seeing it?
PJ
Border Collie said... 13
But I wasn't cheated, wasn't lied to, and it wasn't directly my business.
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Yes, you were. You were lied to by the press, whose job is to report the facts. They were public figures and held positions of quite a bit of authority. And a lot of their misdeeds, if you will, took place while they were in office. Those breeches could have affected the security of a nation.
This also speaks to why this blog exists. Kate Gosselin is a public figure whose behaviour and lies affect the lives of children. They're not our kids, right? It's not our business. Why should we care? But we do. We've all chosen to speak up.
PJ
redbirdsings said... 10
chefsummer, she was horrible wasn't she?
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Horrible is putting it nicely and OMB I couldn't believe her friend said her girls weren't good enough to be molested and she was mad about it WTF.
I'm sorry I find it hard to believe that Ms. BC didn't know that her husband was a damn freak-(sorry) especially if he was paying someone his victims.
She's not better then the grand-witch from DP or Dottie Sandusky or Mama June.
Craziness said... 155
Lisa Bonet actually posted this tweet earlier today. Food for thought, eh?
According to the karma of past actions, one’s destiny unfolds, even though everyone wants to be so lucky... Nothing stays in the dark 4ever!
9:31 PM - 21 Nov 2014
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It seems this tweet was from a fake account. One site that reported about the tweet has now updated it with a disclaimer:
"Update: According to Lisa Bonet’s manager, the actress is not on Twitter and the following message in not authentic."
http://thegrio.com/2014/11/22/lisa-bonet-bill-cosby-rape-allegations/
The twitter account, @Lilakoi_Moon, which was not a verified account, has also been suspended.
Looks like BC got Shirley to squash that fake twitter account like a bug.
I HOPE BC didn't do anything to LB, but IMO the vibe is there that it is a possibility. I always wondered why she left, the 8 x 10 picture he holds on the Apollo Theater show intro. These women, their stories coming in so fast and furious, it is so sad and awful.
I read that his oldest daughter is not allowed to come to his house, because she can't be trusted, (drugs). What a BASS! Well, when you have drawers full of drugs, briefcases filled with drugs, and your children see the drugs, what do you expect? Have you put her in rehab? I think when he gave the lady who was a Playboy of the Month in 1963 and the young and upcoming actress MEG FOSTER those pills and he had 3, he said, this is going to make us ALL feel good. I think that he didn't take his, he pretended he did (IMO) because he wouldn't of been so incapacitated to do what he was doing when the PBBunny came out of unconsciousness and saw BC trying to rape Meg Foster. She jumped up and grabbed at him and got him off of her.
Meg Foster declined an interview. She has to be scared.
I wish Jello would drop him and ban him from talking about Jello in his comedy routines. It is a brand and he is turning it into a laughing stock.
The New York Daily News is reporting: "Ex-NBC employee Frank Scotti claims Bill Cosby paid off women, invited young models to dressing room as he stood guard......"
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The lawyer that represents Stephen Collins was arrest for DUI on Friday night. He was taken in, cited and released. Surely, they didn't let him drive home.
http://www.tmz.com/2014/11/22/mark-vincent-kaplan-dui-drunk-driving-stephen-collins-kevin-federline/
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The New York Daily News is reporting: "Ex-NBC employee Frank Scotti claims Bill Cosby paid off women, invited young models to dressing room as he stood guard......"
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It was also said that BC had a diver who would bring girl/woman to his hotel room and then leave he was also paid.
I don't think that's what happened. I think the assaults took place and the women weren't even mature enough to realize they had been raped. They went on to a consensual affair. Then as they matured they realized that what happened was wrong and they came forward.
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What? They filed assault charges against him, but didn't realize what he had done? If they didn't realize what happened, how could they file charges against him? If it were so bad that they sued him and accepted cash, then they knew darn well what he had done. It has nothing to do with being mature to know they were raped. How could they not...they obviously knew what he did was wrong or they wouldn't have sued him. Then they go on to have consensual sex with him? Who does that? You'd want that person out of your life forever, not continue a relationship with him.
https://soundcloud.com/howardstern/janice-dickinson-talks-to-howard-stern-about-bill-cosby-in-2006?utm_source=soundcloud&utm_campaign=wtshare&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_content=https://soundcloud.com/howardstern/janice-dickinson-talks-to-howard-stern-about-bill-cosby-in-2006
An ex-NBC employee has released a video stating that he personally arranged payoffs to many women, and has the proof in the form of copies of the money orders. He said that Cosby would pay him in cash, and he would purchase the money orders. He said he left because of his conscience, and he is coming forward now to help corroborate the women's stories.
Pretty convincing. I guess the Confidentiality Agreements weren't so strong back then!
In addition to paying off women, he also was responsible for arranging show tickets for, and, delivering young models to BC, who were provided through an arrangement with a modeling agencies.
He also was tasked with finding an apartement for a 16 year old woman. The employee describes how, although he had growing concerns about what BC was doing, as well as his own participation, he enjoyed be part of that world and found it very exciting.
Should be interesting to see how this guy gets spun. I suppose BC was running a benevolent nonprofit geared to helping young women succeeding the entertainment field?
This guy met BC when he was getting his start in show business. He worked in a coffee shop, and gave BC free coffee because he didn't have the money to pay. When he told him he was quitting, BC threw him out on the spot. So, in addition to be a rapist and a predator, he was not a very nice guy either!
So, here is my brush with BC. When I was sixteen, I went on a family vacation to LA--around 2970. We saw BC just standing out on the street, kind of leaning on a building--like he was on display. He has that signature smirk on his face, and looked like he was enjoying the attention. Didn't think anything of it at the time, other than the excitement of seeing a star up close. But, it wasn't that he was just on the street, getting from one place to another--it was more of a lounge lizard kind of effect, especially because he had that signature mishievous smirk on his face.
Not sure if I said what year it was, because it hasn't published. It was the summer of 1970.
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What? They filed assault charges against him, but didn't realize what he had done? If they didn't realize what happened, how could they file charges against him?
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I guess I'm not making myself clear. My understanding, from the previous comment about the 2006? lawsuit, was that witnesses came forward in 2006 to testify as to the assaults against them that happened back in the 80s and 90s. Some of these victims went on to have a consensual affairs with BC, not realizing that what had happened to them was, in fact, rape and against the law. That's why they came forward in 2006 to testify. I'm not saying they had sex with him after the 2006 court case.
PJ
Any confidentiality agreements mean nothing. You can't confidentiality agree away a crime.
. I'm not saying they had sex with him after the 2006 court case.
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"That same People article reports that three of the Jane Does from the March 2005 case accepted cash from Cosby for years, and two others began consensual sexual relationships with Cosby."
Unless I am reading this incorrectly. it says they accepted cash for YEARS and the two others began consensual relationships with him. It doesn't matter if they realized it was rape or not; the fact is that if he assaulted these women, they certainly knew they were assaulted in some form or fashion. Nobody is that stupid. My question is,that after an assault, why would anyone go on to have consensual sex with that person? I'd stay away from him...not crawl into the sack with him if he's dangerous and totally off his rocker.
I don't know. I can't figure out any of this, other than if these acts took place, he should be done in the entertainment industry, and I don't care how big a celeb he is or how much power he has in the business; how many fans follow him, or the amount of money in his nest egg.
This reinforces my belief that TLC knew what was going on with Katie and mama June.
"It was an open secret,"
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/bill-cosby-scandal/mtp-panel-bill-cosby-american-icon-under-fire-n254481
Abbey Kirkendoll @ablk402 18m18 minutes ago
Tbh I'm still really emotionally scarred from Jon & Kate Gosselin's divorce #5yrs #NeverForget
Good grief. If she's "emotionally scarred" from that, what's going to happen to her if she experiences a real traumatic event in her life?
Any confidentiality agreements mean nothing. You can't confidentiality agree away a crime. 34
But you might believe in the power of a CA if you are young, naive, scared or intimidated.
Blowing In The Wind said... 35
Abbey Kirkendoll @ablk402 18m18 minutes ago
Tbh I'm still really emotionally scarred from Jon & Kate Gosselin's divorce #5yrs #NeverForget
Good grief. If she's "emotionally scarred" from that, what's going to happen to her if she experiences a real traumatic event in her life?
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If something happened traumatic in the twitterer's life, it wouldn't matter. Jon and kates divorce, Jon and kate plus 8 cancelation, kate plus 8 cancelation, all the jobs she has been fired from supersedes above and beyond ANY AND ALL other traumatic events in peoples lives!
Victoria Valentino. In September 1963, at the age of just 19, Victoria Valentino was picked as Playboy’s Playmate of the Month. Years later, battling depression after the drowning death of her young son in 1969, a friend introduced Valentino to Bill Cosby. In early 1970, Valentino had dinner with Cosby, and an aspiring actress named Meg Foster, when Valentino says Cosby offered them red pills. All three took a pill and went back to Cosby’s house. Valentino, now 71, recalled pulling Cosby off of Foster as he tried to rape her. “The room was spinning, and Valentino said she remembered feeling as if she was going to throw up,” she told the Washington Post. “[Cosby] came over to me and sat down on the love seat and opened his fly and grabbed my head and pushed my head down. And then he turned me over. It was like a waking nightmare. She protested but could not stop him, she said.”
BC is just a lousy, evil SOB! He targeted her even though she had just lost her very young son and was still grieving. He needs to be punished. How, HOW does this man sleep at night? It makes it worse with his wife, just smiling, not saying a word.
An ex-NBC employee has released a video stating that he personally arranged payoffs to many women, and has the proof in the form of copies of the money orders. He said that Cosby would pay him in cash, and he would purchase the money orders. He said he left because of his conscience, and he is coming forward now to help corroborate the women's stories.
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Here's Singer's response:
“What evidence does he have of Mr. Cosby’s involvement?” Singer said. “How would Scotti know if a woman was a model or a secretary? It appears that his story is pure speculation so that he can get his 15 minutes of fame.”
This reinforces my belief that TLC knew what was going on with Katie and mama June.
"It was an open secret,"
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What was going on with Katie? The spankings and abuse? Her "involvement" with the FM? Everything under the sun?
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Totally OT: I knew about Irish twins, but not Irish triplets. Irish twins are 2 babies born within a year. Irish triplets are 3 babies born within 3 years. I figured it up, dms and dys missed it by 17 days. Then all of the ds's missed being Irish triplets by FOUR DAYS!
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I assume you're using "Irish twins" as born within a year of each other, not in the same calendar year. And Irish triplets as been born with 2 years of each other not 3. (I do see 3, but that doesn't make sense. If it's 2 born within 1 year, then it should be 3 born within 3 years).
Were first two sons "Irish twins"? Or was gap between oldest and youngest actually 3 years + 4 days (instead of 2 years + 4 days)? Otherwise the situation you're describing seems to be mathematically impossible. Inquiring minds want to know!
You state third son was born 2 years and 4 days after first sone ("miss Irish trippets by 4 days. But then the only
So it seems the Twitter account attributed to Lisa Bonet wasn't really hers. This is from a NY paper.
Update: The Twitter account attributed to Lisa Bonet has since been suspended and her manager said Sunday that she was not responsible for the account or the tweets.
Math Girl to the rescue! I am horrible at math. Thank you. haha
I googled and found this. http://multiples.about.com/od/glossary/g/irishtwins.htm
It says that Irish triplets are 3 babies born within 3 years.
The 3rd son was born 36 months and 8 days after the 1st.
2nd son was born 23 months and 18 days after the 1st.
3rd son was born 13 months and 8 days after the 2nd.
Interesting blog article about the Duggar controversy.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2014/11/on-the-duggars-and-the-locus-of-outrage.html
PJ
“How would Scotti know if a woman was a model or a secretary?
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Um, maybe he ASKED them or Cosby what they did for a living? Or maybe he knew of them because he had seen their work?
***It appears that his story is pure speculation so that he can get his 15 minutes of fame.
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It appears this story is a brave account of the truth released because the person felt such guilt about all the women Cosby raped, they felt the only moral thing to do was be honest about their role and come clean. There is at least one other woman who reported that Cosby may have had other people helping him with his scam. They all corroborate each other and there's nothing Marty can do about it but act like an idiot.
Not everyone's motive is "fame."
I wouldn't be too confused about some of the women who later had a relationship with BC. You have to understand that this kind of treatment is extremely psychologically damaging, and if you don't address it through therapy or other means, you're left on your own to deal with it in sometimes unhealthy ways. For some women that could mean taking up with the perpetrator, perhaps in some kind of attempt to convince themselves he's not REALLY a bad person and that this is all actually consensual after all. It's a way to justify or reason away the abuse. If I'm with him now and want to be in this, then he couldn't possibly have hurt me. Problem solved.
Not every victim's first instinct is to run away. It really isn't. Everyone deals with rape and abuse differently and some reactions may make no sense to others, but they are those people's legitimate reactions. The reactions to abuse are as diverse as snowflakes.
What was going on with Katie? The spankings and abuse? Her "involvement" with the FM? Everything under the sun? 40
I was referring to the abuse and neglect.
We really are living in a rape culture when we blame the victim and don't even see that we're doing it.
PJ
They all corroborate each other and there's nothing Marty can do about it but act like an idiot.
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He sounds like a total jerk. He just doesn't know when to shut up. The more he says, the more he sticks his foot in his mouth. Kind of like some of the sheeple we know and love.
I'm not sure why Marty is saying anything at all. It's not going to make people stop canceling his appearances. Cosby's not on trial, yet. There's no benefit other than making him sound even worse. Why do these celebs hire such a show-boating sleezeball? It's so stereotypical. There are plenty of other attorneys out there who are just as good and experienced who wouldn't be so cartoony.
And in response to his question: “What evidence does he have of Mr. Cosby’s involvement?”
I would in turn ask Marty, what evidence do you have that Mr. Cosby is NOT involved?
We really are living in a rape culture when we blame the victim and don't even see that we're doing it.
PJ
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I don't think that's true anymore. At one time, absolutely, but there has been a considerable amount of attention given to the crime itself (and putting the criminal behind bars). In addition, there are programs (and counseling) that are available to help the victim deal with the psychological aspect of the crime and because of this heightened awareness, in recent years more and more victims are coming forward. This definitely wasn't the case when Cosby was allegedly committing these acts.
I don't think that's true anymore. At one time, absolutely, but there has been a considerable amount of attention given to the crime itself (and putting the criminal behind bars)
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Without a doubt we have come a long way. But we're not there yet. You need only look at the discussions around the media about these incidents as well as comments from Marty to see that people are really questioning the victims here.
I'm thinking of questions like: What was she wearing!!??? Why was she wearing PJs??? Why did they take those pills? What were they doing THERE by themselves? Why did they consent to him later? What's in her own criminal history record?
Some of them may be just questions to gather more information about the situation. But some of them suggest a conscious or subconscious blaming of the victim. Such as if only she had not been so dumb as to put THAT on, this never would have happened.
You wouldn't ask someone whose house was robbed why they were wearing "that" or bring up some ancient rap sheet from the victim. When you think of it that way, the questions are really uncalled for.
Admin, what a wonderful response to Singer's comments about What evidence does he have? Yes, What evidence does your client, BC have? Does BC have the proof that he was not involved in each one of these events, the women's accusations, police reports, filing lawsuits for the past 50 years?
The elderly man who has proof, hope he stays safe and the proof doesn't comes up missing. Just like Dorothy Kilgalen. She was found dead in bed, fully clothed and her papers promising exploding news about the JFK assassination, her papers were missing. She had given them to her trusted maid and right after that, the maid was found dead at her house and the papers missing.
Isn't it soon time that she starts her holiday baking frenzy, cooking up homemade bread for the garbage collectors; homemade cookies for the UPS people; homemade muffins for the teachers; homemade whoopie pies for the dog groomers; homemade fruit tarts for the nannies; homemade loaves sliced during the baking process, and on and on? Don't forget to tweet some photos of Zorro cracking open the walnuts.
Kate, if this is all so overwhelmingly exhaustionish as you've tweeted in the past, since you're in Lancaster attending school functions so often, hop over to Stauffers and check out the homemade baked goods, or stop by Darrenkamps. Their sand tarts are to die for. You can buy something for everyone on your list and pass them off as homemade by you. All you will need to do is slap some flour on your face and tweet the photos.
But some of them suggest a conscious or subconscious blaming of the victim. Such as if only she had not been so dumb as to put THAT on, this never would have happened.
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I don't think that's entirely true across the board. I, too, was wondering why she was in her pajamas to meet with him and discuss job opportunities. It just seemed very strange, as if pieces of the story are missing. Just because someone wonders about this doesn't mean that they believe that this person asked to be assaulted, drugged or raped. Blaming the victim, either consciously or subconsciously, never crossed my mind.
Now, Singer...he's being a dweeb about the whole thing, and his statements are laughable.
Just because someone wonders about this doesn't mean that they believe that this person asked to be assaulted, drugged or raped.
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Yes, which is why I said some people were asking just because they wanted more information about the situation, wanting all the details because that's just what some people want.
However I do think there is something to be said for the preoccupation with the circumstances of the individual women. You don't usually tend to see these sort of questions when say, someone is murdered or robbed. It's more accepted by society that a murder or robbery is not your fault regardless of what PJs you had on.
On a different article, I made a comment about Mrs Cosby. I asked how you can get up every morning and have breakfast in your own house with a man you believe or know is a rapist. Someone responded that he is a pariah in his own house, has a seperate life. I have no way of knowing if that's true.
To me, if it is true I understand it even less why Mrs Cosby is still there. That would mean she decided for herself that he is guilty of some range of activities from infidelity to rape. Yet she stayed. For the money? For the status? The children are grown up for years now. I just don't know how you live with yourself, let alone with him. Does she only care about herself and not those women? Or is it possible he has victimized her also for years in some way? It's so confusing.
Just like Dorothy Kilgalen. She was found dead in bed, fully clothed and her papers promising exploding news about the JFK assassination, her papers were missing. She had given them to her trusted maid and right after that, the maid was found dead at her house and the papers missing.
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Interesting. Do you have a link to this? I thought Kilgallen died from an (accidental) overdose of alcohol and barbiturates. I saw a documentary some time ago about this, and no evidence of homicide was found, and there was no mention of missing papers or a maid. She had claimed that she was about to expose details on the assassination (she had interviewed Ruby in Dallas), but the ME didn't find the manner of death to be suicide or homicide, and the cause was a heart attack brought on by a lethal combination of the alcohol and drugs. Apparently she has an addiction problem for quite some time.
The reasons Mrs. Cosby stayed could be anything.
Fear of change. Fear of being alone. The devil you know is better than the devil you don't. Denial. Staying together for the kids. For appearances. Embarrassment and humiliation if she left. Fear of him and what he might do if she left. Fear the lifestyle she is used to could be wiped clean. Inertia.
It may not make much sense but women stay with very bad man every day.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/03/17/the-reckoning
A little subjective piece to go with the objective official report.
There's so much talk about her being in her PJs but you have to remember that back in the day "lounging pajamas" were all the rage and people entertained in them regularly (at least they did on TV shows). Maybe that's what she was in. I think we're all thinking about cozy jammies that we wear.
Don't forget to tweet some photos of Zorro cracking open the walnuts
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I'm sure when it's time to drag him out again, we'll see some holiday photos of him, or even a video of him singing Chestnuts Roasting On An Open Fire, while sitting on the kitchen counter cracking his nuts.
You have to laugh when Singer accuses a 90-year-old man of
wanting his "15 minute of fame." Oh, yeah -- I'm sure this dude
is lookin' for a reality show, and can't wait for the media to
descend upon his home. Sounds like most 90-year-olds I know...
Admin (#46), your comment about how victims can react in
unexpected ways really got me thinking. This guy was America's
Dad, for eff's sake! How did they reconcile what was happening to
them with what the world thought of him? And if he allegedly
preyed upon women with low self esteem, perhaps they thought
they deserved it -- they had it coming, for whatever their
shortcomings might be. Under those circumstances...yeah,
Marty, I bet a lot of them have a crapload of issues and baggage
and rap sheets and whatever else you'd like to dredge up. No
surprise there.
Why did Cosby hire an attorney, and one who is making a complete fool of himself with these inane statements?
The Cosbys lost their son Ennis many years ago. I believe he was shot on his way to university. Parents grieve for a lifetime, and too often they indulge in unhealthy coping methods. Mrs Cosby might be fearful of more loss, such as the end of her marriage and facing the future without the two most important men in her life.
I vaguely recall a time when the Cosbys were said to be estranged, but it was so long ago I have no substantiation.
And if he allegedly
preyed upon women with low self esteem, perhaps they thought
they deserved it -- they had it coming, for whatever their
shortcomings might be. Under those circumstances...yeah,
Marty, I bet a lot of them have a crapload of issues and baggage
and rap sheets and whatever else you'd like to dredge up. No
surprise there.
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Yes. This is a very smart man. Brilliant even. He's going to target women with low self esteem, young and immature women, women with issues, women with backgrounds. He had a type. And that was someone he knew he could influence.
He's not going to go after a mature woman who knows her own mind, body and spirit. You can't keep a scam going 30 years that way.
In fact it sounds like what happened is when these women got older and BECAME the women they are and developed some maturity and confidence, only then did this really start to be reported. The flaw in his plan is that the 20 year old girl in front of him who doesn't know anything about the world and would go along with him.....would someday grow up and no longer be that 20 year old girl.
Interesting account from one of the victims. If you click on the small picture of her in the upper left, there is more information.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/13/bill-cosby-raped-me-why-did-it-take-30-years-for-people-to-believe-my-story/
She was a minor at the time, only 17 years old. Where were her parents? Wouldn't they question why their teenager was meeting with this man and even spending the night in an Atlantic City hotel room with him? I guess things were different in the Hollywood scene back then, but still...
KyPastor (#65), nice to see you posting. And thank you for your
sensitive and compassionate comment.
When I read Ky. Pastors post about Ennis Cosby, I remember when that happened and something about a tire. Here is what I found:
http://lubbockonline.com/news/011797/bill.htm
You have to laugh when Singer accuses a 90-year-old man of
wanting his "15 minute of fame." Oh, yeah -- I'm sure this dude
is lookin' for a reality show, and can't wait for the media to
descend upon his home. Sounds like most 90-year-olds I know...
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Lol I know really. Look at all the 90 year olds lined up to audition for reality shows. Marty is such a tool.
Guy probably wants to spend time with his grandkids and have a nice turkey dinner on Thursday. 90 year olds have a way of prioritizing what's really important in life.
The BC news and discussion are all new to me. I was never a huge fan, watched the Cosby show some back in the day and do remember when Lisa Bonet left suddenly and it all makes sense that something happened.
locally there is news about the university of Virginia and three Rolling Stone article about a rape of a freshman that took place at a frat house. The university is taking it seriously enough that all Greek activities are suspended until next year, and there are discussions going on with admin, students, professors, student leaders, victim advocates, more to address this issue. UVA has always had reputation of a big party school, with lots of alcohol flowing, and for school administrators to ignore it is just naive.
Did anyone see the Buzz Feed article about how Marty Singer replied to the story they published about Janice Dickinson? They published the entire letter that Singer sent them, even though Singer put in the letter that it was a "confidential legal notice".
The end of the letter states:
"You proceed at your peril."
Hmm, where have we seen that statement before? Wasn't that how he ended his letter to Robert?
http://www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/bill-cosbys-lawyer-is-trying-to-discredit-janice-dickinson
I guess that BuzzFeed decided to proceed at their own peril by publishing the letter from Singer.
The University of VA, is that where Hannah Graham went to school?
She was a minor at the time, only 17 years old. Where were her parents? Wouldn't they question why their teenager was meeting with this man and even spending the night in an Atlantic City hotel room with him? I guess things were different in the Hollywood scene back then, but still...
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Yes. I don't get it either. An account from a victim:
"Bill Cosby was at the height of his power with NBC's “The Cosby Show” when he encountered Hill. His “Picture Pages” segments filmed in Pittsburgh — the shorts started on a local Pittsburgh children's show — and he was looking for local talent. Hill, a 15-year-old model and aspiring actress, was recommended by her modeling agency.
The Pittsburgh native spoke to local CBS news station KDKA about the alleged attacks late last week. She told KDKA reporter Ralph Iannotti that Cosby flew her to various cities, from New York to Atlanta.
She said she wouldn't see him during the day, but would go to his hotel room at night. She then detailed a similar story to the other alleged victims, claiming the comedian gave her drinks she now believes were drugged.
“One time, I remember just before I passed out, I remember him kissing and touching me and I remember the taste of his cigar on his breath, and I didn't like it,” Hill told KDKA. “I remember another time when I woke up in my bed the next day and he was leaving. He mentioned you should probably lose a little weight. I thought that odd, how would he know that?”
Hill did say that she can't know for sure if she was raped because she was unconscious. “It just felt weird to me, and I remember being in high school saying to him, ‘I'll come see you, but I don't want to drink because it makes me feel funny,'” Hill said. “And he would tell me that if I didn't drink, I couldn't come see him.”
By the time she was 19, Hill claims Cosby was paying her college tuition and her family saw him as a father-figure in her life. Nevertheless, she decided to cut off all contact and gave up her dream of being an actress."
She doesn't see him during the day but goes to his hotel room at night? For what purpose? To read Shakespeare together? She was in high school! Wouldn't her parents think it's a little strange for their daughter, age 15, to spend evenings in a hotel room with a man? Wouldn't they think it's a little strange for him to fly her to various cities, to pay tuition...for what reason, out of the goodness of his heart? A father figure? Good heavens.
I know things are quite different in the entertainment field with aspiring models and actresses, but good grief, wouldn't your parenting skills kick in and say that something is very wrong here?
And, no I am not saying she "asked" for it and that she wasn't a victim of rape or assault. But where were the parents?
The BC news and discussion are all new to me. I was never a huge fan, watched the Cosby show some back in the day and do remember when Lisa Bonet left suddenly and it all makes sense that something happened.
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Joy, according to her spokesperson, that tweet by Lisa was a hoax and that account was suspended.
Good article in the NY Times in which a journalist calls out the media(including himself) for protecting BC in the past.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/25/business/media/calling-out-bill-cosbys-media-enablers-including-myself.html?_r=0
Some excerpts:
"Amid the public revulsion at the news that Bill Cosby, a trailblazing black entertainer, allegedly victimized women in serial fashion throughout his career, the response from those in the know has been: What took so long?
What took so long is that those in the know kept it mostly to themselves. No one wanted to disturb the Natural Order of Things, which was that Mr. Cosby was beloved; he was as generous and paternal as his public image; and that his approach to life and work represented a bracing corrective to the coarse, self-defeating urban black ethos.
Only the first of those things was actually true.
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"And those in the know also included me. In 2011, I did a Q. and A. with Mr. Cosby for Hemispheres magazine, the in-flight magazine of United Airlines, and never found the space or the time to ask him why so many women accused him of drugging and then assaulting them.
We all have our excuses, but in doing so, we let down the women who were brave enough to speak out publicly against a very powerful entertainer."
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"My job as a journalist was to turn that assignment down. If I was not going to do the work to tell the truth about the guy, I should not have let him prattle on about his new book at the time.
But I did not turn it down. I did the interview and took the money.
I paid for that in other ways. The interview was deeply unpleasant, with a windy, obstreperous subject who answered almost every question in 15-minute soliloquies, many of which were not particularly useful.
After an hour of this, I mentioned that the interview was turning out to be all A. and no Q. He paused, finally.
“Young man, are you interested in hearing what I have to say or not?” he said. “If not, we can end this interview right now.”
She doesn't see him during the day but goes to his hotel room at night? For what purpose? To read Shakespeare together? She was in high school! Wouldn't her parents think it's a little strange for their daughter, age 15, to spend evenings in a hotel room with a man? Wouldn't they think it's a little strange for him to fly her to various cities, to pay tuition...for what reason, out of the goodness of his heart? A father figure? Good heavens.
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Agree. I'm also not blaming the victim here, and I believe her.
I noted this case the other day and wonder wtf the parents were thinking, even back then.
It's like those parents who used to let their little kids sleep over Michael Jackson's house.
Um, yeah, he's famous, but you don't know them from Adam.
“Young man, are you interested in hearing what I have to say or not?” he said. “If not, we can end this interview right now.”
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This. This is why BC could get away with his ill temper and predation for so long.
He was, until now, untouchable, and he knew it.
He used his power for bad, to rule over people and make them bend to his will. He knew he could ruin people or make them, and he took advantage of that.
It's just evil.
I don't think it's a stretch to put Kate in this same category. Kate obviously thought NOTHING of suing anyone at her whim.
We're talking about ruining people!
I'm sorry, but you do not do that unless you have no other recourse.
Kate used the money her children earned by filming them, as well as TLC's deep pockets to control people through fear and threats.
Can we sue?!
Ugh- her complete and utter disregard for other's welfare and their very livelihoods is disgusting. She would ruin someone and act like she just picked gum off her shoe.
“Young man, are you interested in hearing what I have to say or not?” he said. “If not, we can end this interview right now.”
November 24, 2014 at 7:49 AM
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I wanted to add- one word comes to mind; Bully!
BC is a bully, and as much as Kate is prone to crying victim all the time, she is one of the biggest bullies I've ever seen.
She goes nuclear, scorched Earth, carpet bombing when she doesn't like you.
Just ask her "life long" friend, Beth.
He was, until now, untouchable, and he knew it. ...
I don't think it's a stretch to put Kate in this same category.
Agree so much. I hate the way TFW goes with the scorched earth policy. Annoy her in any way and she'll burn your house down and torch your car.
even though Singer put in the letter that it was a "confidential legal notice".
The end of the letter states:
"You proceed at your peril."
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He really is a tool and a half, using cheap threats and innuendo to accomplish his goals. He makes me sick. Great choice there Kate to defend your interests.
He can whine about it being confidential all he wants but it doesn't make it so. Confidentiality is between the attorney and client, not the attorney and OTHER people, unless a judge has deemed it so. Whatever he sends out, they are free to publish it if they darn well want to.
I don't like attorneys who don't play by the civilized rules of combat.
Camille Cosby has probably been well aware of her husband's penchant for sex with younger women all these years. I would not doubt if he's given her the same dictum as the women he raped i.e. 'do you know who I am and what I can do to you if you tell?'.
Judging by what he's told people in these interviews, it sounds like BC is another narcissistic elitist who thinks he's untouchable.
"You proceed at your peril."
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He really is a tool and a half, using cheap threats and innuendo to accomplish his goals
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Oh, Marty. Janice has snorting enough cocaine to fill a Hummer-the big one- so really?
Peril?
It's like those parents who used to let their little kids sleep over Michael Jackson's house.
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Oh my gosh I was so going to mention this.
I think this is a very similar example of a celeb preying on those they can easily influence. So one of my friends who grew up in Santa Barbara was invited to his house once. His mother knew MJ from some kind of event they both attended I think, but was not friends with him.
His mother said no, absolutely not, this sounds funny and off, and I'm not letting you go over. My friend was devastated at the time because he heard how cool his place was. In hindsight she called it exactly right. And WTF why wasn't her daughter invited too? She was right to think this was off.
Of course my friend grew up wealthy and had a mother and father who could not be influenced by a benefactor. Other parents did not have the luxury of being in that position, so I see how it could have happened.
By the way my friend looked similar to McCauley Caulkin as a kid, blond, blue eyed, pale. I think MJ had a "type."
Yes, redbird songs, UVA is where Hannah Graham went to school, also place where Morgan Harrington disappeared from a concert years ago and was apparently murdered by same person charged with Hannah s murder. The town is already reeling from that. And a couple years ago a female lacrosse player Yeardley Love, was beaten and murdered by her violent drunken boyfriend, also a lacrosse player. they were both UVA students.
Blown in the wind, I read the tweet was fake. I was referring to the fact that Lisa Bonet left the Cosby show never to return. She may not say anything, and to me her lack of a statement says much more than that fake tweet.
I think it's also significant that Mrs. Huxtable was the only one who made at least one cross-over appearance on A Different World (at least that is my memory from the episodes I watched--maybe the next oldest daughter or Theo did too?).
I just got home from volunteering at one of the local shelters, packing Thanksgiving food donations. I stopped at the grocery store to pick up a few things. Everyone is out and about in short-sleeved tee shirts and sandals, stocking up on food in preparation for the winter storm on Wednesday. It is so bizarre. It's 72 degrees, bright sunshine, and the forecast is calling for 6-10 inches all day Wednesday. Maintenance snow crews are getting the plows ready. My air conditioner just kicked on. If all goes as they think it will, it will be the most snow to fall in mid November since the 1800s.It's going to be a mess for those with Thanksgiving travel plans. We're in the heaviest band of snow zone.
Kate will be tweeting about using her new snow blower, lamenting about being snowed in, shoveling, and the damage to her trees. Get ready for it!
She may not say anything, and to me her lack of a statement says much more than that fake tweet.
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Not necessarily. Maybe she's one of those who know when it's best to remain silent. Have any of the other stars of the show, Phylicia, Keshia, Jamal, Tempesst, Sondra, made any statements, either in support of him, or anything about what they saw when filming?
Regarding Laverne and Shirley's letter. Does Cosby intend to sue Dickinson and Buzzfeed for libel/defamation? Did Shirley send letters to all of the victims coming forward? I could see that one person coming out might call into question the credibility of her story, but old Shirley is going to have his hands full if he has to deal with more than a dozen of these.
Regarding Laverne and Shirley's letter. Does Cosby intend to sue Dickinson and Buzzfeed for libel/defamation?
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Well that's exactly it. Put your money where you mouth is and sue for defamation. He knows how to do it and has the money for it. What's stopping him?
admin (85) "His mother said no, absolutely not, this sounds funny and off, and I'm not letting you go over."
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Right. At least the maternal instinct kicked in there. I'm not blaming the victims in Cosby's case. If anyone is to blame it's the parents for not using common sense in all of this. What mother (or father) wouldn't have red flags if the daughter is spending evenings in a hotel room with a 30-something married man? A father figure? Sure! Even "fathers" can have a penchant for lusting after young teens, and I don't care if this was the All-American Dad, Cosby, or who it was. Wouldn't you say...something is just not right here, regardless if this was last year or 50 years ago?
admin (91) "He knows how to do it and has the money for it. What's stopping him?"
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Maybe the same thing that stopped Kate. He knows it's true and he'd have to prove otherwise.
admin (71)"Lol I know really. Look at all the 90 year olds lined up to audition for reality shows. Marty is such a tool."
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Maybe TLC is planning a new reality show featuring a nonagenarian who is addicted to eating his Depends. If anyone is creepy enough to watch such a show, I wouldn't put it past the network to do it. Aren't they looking for a new series after the demise of the HBB show?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2h2 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 @peoplemag LOL Showboatin' N the snow! I predict ur tups will be rolling around "playing panda" this afternoon! :)
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What is Gladys talking about? It's beach weather right now, no snow for the "tups" (I hate that) this afternoon to "play panda." Keep up, Milo. The snow is coming on Wednesday!
That lawyer sounds like a real idiot. Why do people keep hiring him? But I guess if you can get results from a threatening letter you might as well try that first. I still think he sounds pretty stupid to think that an online tabloid would keep his letter confidential.
Mel said... 81
He was, until now, untouchable, and he knew it. ...
I don't think it's a stretch to put Kate in this same category.
Agree so much. I hate the way TFW goes with the scorched earth policy. Annoy her in any way and she'll burn your house down and torch your car.
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Yes, and her big supporter, Sheri Shepard would be right by her side, burning, scorching and blowing up his car!
When kate dumps you, she takes no prisoners. When she feels like she is done with you, you are burned, scorched, chewed up and spit out of that dragon ladys mouth!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 17m17 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 @peoplemag So did you get some squeals...giggling and smiles of delight from kids watching playful panda? #AlexisWillWantHim
Good lord, Kravtiz. These kids are 10 1/2 years old, not squealing toddlers. What in the world is wrong with her...does anyone know? LOL!
Shirley must have that threat letter pre-printed in his software and can add or delete what he wants. You proceed at your own peril.
Thanks, JoyinVirginia. I always worried about Morgan Harrington because she went to that concert and had to go to the restroom and couldn't get back into the venue. Wish she would of called her parents to come and get her. She couldn't call a cab, that bass was driving a freaking cab! I think he will cut a deal to name more victims or tell all he knows to avoid the Death Penalty. When it first hit that they had Matthews as a suspect, I googled to see if Virginia had the DP.
Over In TFW's County said... 95
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2h2 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 @peoplemag LOL Showboatin' N the snow! I predict ur tups will be rolling around "playing panda" this afternoon! :)
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What is Gladys talking about? It's beach weather right now, no snow for the "tups" (I hate that) this afternoon to "play panda." Keep up, Milo. The snow is coming on Wednesday!
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Kate retweeted this from People. It is pretty cute ...
Panda Tumbling in Snow Makes Winter Almost Bearable
http://www.peoplepets.com/people/pets/article/0,,20874970,00.html?xid=socialflow_twitter_peoplemag
Somewhere In Time said... 98
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 17m17 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 @peoplemag So did you get some squeals...giggling and smiles of delight from kids watching playful panda? #AlexisWillWantHim
Good lord, Kravtiz. These kids are 10 1/2 years old, not squealing toddlers. What in the world is wrong with her...does anyone know? LOL!
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Right, they aren't squealing over animals or any more! Kravitz is bizarre. And what's with the comment about Kate's "DNA" being all over the kitchen? Did I miss something? I mean, we've seen some of what Kate has cooked. It DID look like a crime scene ...
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 8h 8 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 Will ur cooking marathon begin soon? Ur kitchen certainly has ur DNA...LOL U live there! :)
I haven't posted much since Kate's inane lawsuit, though I still come here to read.
The growing number.of accusations against Crosby has my attention. I've enjoyed reading the discussion here. I think back to when I was just out of college and my first job working for a large company, back in the day when suits/skirts and heels were the uniform. My boss convinced me to speak to HR and the powers that be concerning sexual harassment. I had tolerated another manager's bad behavior. I was young, didn't want to rock the boat, I had also convinced myself I had encouraged it by being nice to this person. It took my older more experienced boss to convince me it was not my fault. Soon after others came forward. Had I not been guided to stand up for myself, I wonder if the others would have spoken up. I believe men who take advantage of such professional relationships do it repeatedly.
Well, Milo's on a roll. Kate actually responded to her panda tweet, and since she hit on something that Kate notices, she'll keep them coming!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 3m3 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8. Remember you need one of these too! #CuteAlert #GosselinZoo
Me at #103 oops!
Cosby...not Crosby.
I am convinced Kate and her bodyguard, (I thought he was hired to protect the chldren) have been intimate for years. I wonder what Gina believes.
I was just thinking, what will Kate do when he leaves her? The day will come.
Reader (#103), thanks for sharing your work experience. Sounds
like speaking up for yourself made a positive difference for others.
Maybe Gladys shouldn't bring up cooking -- what if it's Jon's turn
to have the kids for Thanksgiving? But I think in Gladys' fantasy,
as in Kate's, Jon doesn't exist -- the kids suddenly appeared in
the magic womb via immacul8 conception.
Thank you Flimsy. I forgot to make my point...I think I understand in some of the claims anyway, as to why they came forward years later. 1. They are different women then they were back then,
2. Strength in learning they aren't alone.
3. The power shift.
I am convinced Kate and her bodyguard, (I thought he was hired to protect the chldren) have been intimate for years. I wonder what Gina believes.
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I could be wrong because it's been so long ago, but I think that Steve said in an interview that he was hired because of a female stalking fanatical fan who would show up at Kate's appearances and Kate was the one who needed protection from this obsessed fan, and probably other fans...not the kids.
I don't know if the identify of this fan was ever disclosed.
Sleepless in Seattle, I have always thought that a fanatic female stalker would show up at kate's appearances was a fabrication so TFM could be included with kate and her travels. If it were true, the paps would have pictures to show, I would think. We would know what she looked like at least.
By having a fabricated story benefited kate and TFM. It could of been true in the very beginning a few times, but the fan moved on and then they kept sticking to that story because maybe they had real proof it did happen, but hadn't happened in ages.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 32m32 minutes ago
@Pumpkinbottom3 @Mydmaxx omg Jamie. Kisa is cracking me up.... She loves Christmas....I can tell .... Give her a kiss from me!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 21m21 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 @Pumpkinbottom3 @Mydmaxx From one dog lover to another....Shoka and Kisa...as well as my spoiled crew got the best of us! :)
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 18m18 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 @Pumpkinbottom3 Kate you need 2pull up that pic of you and Kisa together! I can't find it rt now....was so sweet! #BigDogLove
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 7m7 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 @Pumpkinbottom3 Ha...had 2find it and I DID...here it is >>
http://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrity_moms/157134/unlikely_friendship_photo … LOL at Kisa "snarfeled at me" #KateSpeak
Kate did not include Milo in her original tweet, and not to disappoint, there was Milo inserting herself into it. You know, I wonder if Gladys really is a very lonely person who has to insert herself into the lives of others because it's all she has in this life. Either she has no friends, or she has a family who wants nothing to do with her.
But, she is still nuts. Milo, I hate to tell you this, Gladys, but "snarfled" is not cute "Kate speak" of your idol. It's actually a variation of a Pennsylvania Dutch word that I've heard many times. Kate did not invent it. In fact, I may be guilty of having said it myself.
Why did LOM allow Milo to be tweeting past her curfew?
I don't have Twitter. When someone tweets about a "mentions" page is that the same thing as a timeline, or is it a private page to which only the account holder has access?
Sleepless In Seattle said... 109
I could be wrong because it's been so long ago, but I think that Steve said in an interview that he was hired because of a female stalking fanatical fan who would show up at Kate's appearances and Kate was the one who needed protection from this obsessed fan, and probably other fans...not the kids.
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I remember two versions from K:
- people wanted to hold the kids on their laps (hello Em in Connecticut!)
- the kids totally depend on K, so protecting her is for their benefit
This is just from memory, so I could be wrong. The second reason sounds very "Kate - I am the center of the universe" to me.
I have to shake my head at how desperate Milo is to be "one of the girls." The whole tweets about Kisa sound like a conversation girlfriends would have. Only she doesn't know and has never met Kate OR Jamie. It's so strange.
Did Jamie reply to her? I think she's private now so I can't tell.
I remember two versions from K:
- people wanted to hold the kids on their laps (hello Em in Connecticut!)
- the kids totally depend on K, so protecting her is for their benefit
That's what I remember, too. Wasn't there something also about their car tires being slashed at their first house? And it was about that time that Steve was brought in?
From an Access Hollywood article. They're referencing TFW's interview with Billy Bush.
In her book, Kate also revealed the wrath she has endured from viewers, some of which have gotten frighteningly close to her family.
“There was a moment where there was vandalism, your tires were slashed outside of your twin’s, Maddy and Cara’s, window,” Billy said.
“That was a moment that you ask yourself, ‘Really? Is this really happening?’” Kate said. “The tire slashing was probably the third, at least, incident of vandalism we had in a short period of time.”
“What else happened?” Billy asked.
“Our mailbox was smashed twice, our house was egged,” Kate said.
“Death threats?” Billy asked.
“Never directly brought to our doorstep, but there were things out there on the Internet that I chose not to pay attention to,” she said.
She makes the tire slashing sound so ominous. Like the vandals deliberately moved the car beneath the twin's bedroom window so that they could slash the tires in front of the twins just to terrorize them. When it probably only happened in the driveway...which the bedroom window happened to face.
I don't know...with TFW you have to wonder if any of those things even happened. Or if they did, it wasn't particularly targeting the Gosselins. Or maybe it happened to all the houses in the neighborhood that night, not just the Gosselins.
But TFW in all of her narcissism assumes that she was the target of it all.
Mel (#115), thanks for finding that interview!
TFW, my goodness, if it's such a drag being a famous person,
and feeling like your home isn't even a sanctuary, and people
are vandalizing the house when the kids are around...why in the
holy heck have you chosen to stick your children in the limelight
once again? And exposing them to potential harm -- physical
or emotional? That little victim speech she gave to Billy Bush
doesn't make being famous sound like such great shakes.
Especially for 8 children who never asked to be.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 114
I have to shake my head at how desperate Milo is to be "one of the girls." The whole tweets about Kisa sound like a conversation girlfriends would have. Only she doesn't know and has never met Kate OR Jamie. It's so strange.
Did Jamie reply to her? I think she's private now so I can't tell.
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Jamie went private, smartly. Milo is trying to get to Pumpkinpanties any which way she can.
Yeah, acting like buds is weird.
“That was a moment that you ask yourself, ‘Really? Is this really happening?’” Kate said. “The tire slashing was probably the third, at least, incident of vandalism we had in a short period of time.”
“What else happened?” Billy asked.
“Our mailbox was smashed twice, our house was egged,” Kate said.
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How did Steve being sutured to Kate's side mitigate any of this stuff?
As far as I can tell, Kate has minimal security, with a gate and an intercom.
I don't think she even has an alarm system installed, since she said Shoka gets in and out of the lower floor.
You can't do that with a secure alarm system.
Again, I've never seen her monitor her home or property, which is what I'd do with 8 kids and legions of haters and fanatical fans.
Again, I've never seen her monitor her home or property, which is what I'd do with 8 kids and legions of haters and fanatical fans.
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I wish Billy would ask the obvious question. Why not just take yourself off TV? No amount of money is worth death threats and no place for the postman to put your mail.
I mean come on, this isn't worth it. Yet no one asks her this.
I think as others have speculated Milo is desperate to be one of the girls. She probably watches a lot of TV and sees what bestie girlfriends look like, but doesn't have that in her own life. Thus she chimes in with the besties she invented, Kate and Jamie, as if this is her crew. Hey girl, awww what a cute puppy puppy! Let's get Starbucks!
It's just sad. The reality is Kate and Jamie don't exist. Not in the form she imagines. They are not her besties, her friends, or anything to her. They're nothing.
I have to shake my head at how desperate Milo is to be "one of the girls." The whole tweets about Kisa sound like a conversation girlfriends would have. Only she doesn't know and has never met Kate OR Jamie. It's so strange.
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I don't know if she responded. I wondered about that. I'm not on twitter. But Milo has discovered that if she tweets animal photos, Kate will often respond. She's probably giddy right now. Watch for more to come
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 21m21 minutes ago
@MiloandJack @Pumpkinbottom3 aww thanks 4 finding this! I just re read it 2 & it made me smile & laugh again...&now I miss Kisa even MORE!
If Milo weren't such a buttinsky and so in-your-face obnoxious, I'd almost feel sorry for her. She has this desperate need to belong, and it's really pathetic. You're right -- she's never met Kate or Jamie and I wonder if the only "relationship" she can have is with strangers because in real life she's so annoying.
TFW, my goodness, if it's such a drag being a famous person,
and feeling like your home isn't even a sanctuary, and people
are vandalizing the house when the kids are around...why in the
holy heck have you chosen to stick your children in the limelight
once again?
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AND, they have been more or less out of the spotlight, with a few minor exceptions, for like three years now. And in that three years they have kept their nice home, stayed in their nice school, and lead a very privileged, elite lifestyle. Obviously, they don't NEED T.V. if they are somehow able to maintain all this without a problem for three years. Maybe the silver haired fox helped TFW pick some wise investments, but however she is doing it she's doing. Why do they NEED to be back on TV if they were able to maintain all this without it? The fact is they don't.
Why no one calls her out on this is just beyond me.
By having a fabricated story benefited kate and TFM. It could of been true in the very beginning a few times, but the fan moved on and then they kept sticking to that story because maybe they had real proof it did happen, but hadn't happened in ages.
I don't know what Kate has said recently. but Steve spoke out very early, right after he was hired. I also remember him saying that there was one particular fan who followed her around and it started to freak out Kate. That's why he said he was hired.
Redbirdsings...Someone was at Kate's cooking demonstration not too long ago and reported that a fan kept hanging around, wanting to talk to her, walked away and showed up numerous times. I'm sorry, but I don't remember which poster it was here who went to that event. So, yes, I would imagine those crazy fans are still in the picture.
“Never directly brought to our doorstep, but there were things out there on the Internet that I chose not to pay attention to,” she said.
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So, if she chose not to pay attention to it, it must be pretty trivial, right? Or if she chose not to pay attention to it, she wasn't aware of it?
Katespeak for I want to feel important so I'll lie about why I need a bodyguard.
PJ
Sorry...I wasn't clear.. that was an interview that TFW did with Billy Bush around the time one of her books came out. Apr 2010.
What I was trying to get at was that Steve was brought on board to protect the family from tire slashing in front of the twin's bedroom, but instead spends most of his time traveling alone with TFW. Leaving the kids home alone with a nanny. Sounds perfectly safe to me.
Another BC victim comes forward.
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/bill-cosby-rape-allegations-former-playmate-victoria-valentino-161500018-us-weekly.html
Up to 16.
PJ
Blowing (#122), I think it was Layla who gave us the "play by play"
that day -- which I enjoyed reading! And the business with fans...
lots of blurring of lines there. Are just the pretty young college
girls trustworthy (read: go ahead and put my child on your lap)?
What's the difference between loyal and obsessed? Patient
and hovering? Persistent and just plain nuts?
Mel (#124), I understand the point you're making. Remember
when TFW sued Jon, saying he endangered her children's safety,
and then left town with the bodyguard?
People mag has an article about how BC manipulated a 17 yr old AND her parents.
http://www.people.com/article/bill-cosby-jena-t-accuser-says-pressured-for-sex-act
An excerpt:
"In 1987, Jena took the train from suburban Washington, D.C., to New York City for a day without her parents' knowledge, met with a modeling agency and that same day was sent to meet Cosby at a TV studio, she says. Cosby was expecting her when she arrived. At that first meeting, Cosby got on the phone to Jena's startled mom, encouraged the family to support Jena's move to New York City, and offered his assurance that he would step up to help her, Jena says.
About two weeks later, her parents drove her to New York, where they met Cosby after he invited all three to his home for dinner. Says Jena's mother, Judy: "Everything he said was reassuring. There was nothing that made me think we were sending her up there to be alone. New York would have been a definite 'no' had it not been for the reassurance of this particular individual."
I wish Billy would ask the obvious question. Why not just take yourself off TV? No amount of money is worth death threats and no place for the postman to put your mail.
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He, sort of, did ask her, and she gave her typical response.
“When you signed up for the TLC show, you know, they paid you. You sold the privacy. Do you ever have a hard time reconciling that?” Billy asked.
“In that situation, you could shut it down and say, ‘Oh my gosh. Our privacy is gone,’ but at that point we’d still have the paparazzi, we’d still have the fan and viewer inundation when we went out in public and we’d have all of that stuff without the paycheck and to us… It didn’t make sense,” Kate said.
“But I’ve bet you’ve done pretty well,” Billy commented. “Could you, if you had to, retire right now and have the kids be OK?”
“Sadly the answer to that question is no because I have major, major, major, major legal debt. That’s the truth,” Kate said. “I mean, honestly if I could disappear tomorrow because I was financially set and could do so, I love you, Billy, but you would never see me again.”
http://www.accesshollywood.com/kate-gosselin-on-her-secret-family-tragedy-and-why-shes-staying-in-the-spotlight_article_31250
That interview was in 2010, and four years laters, she said almost the exact same thing:
"Hear me very clearly," the star of the TLC special Kate Plus 8: Sextuples Turn 10 said in an interview with E! News this week. "If there was another way to singly support eight children, you would not know this name and I would be on an island, and so would they. You would never hear from us again."
http://www.eonline.com/news/552830/kate-gosselin-if-i-didn-t-need-to-support-my-family-you-d-never-hear-from-us-again
By having a fabricated story benefited kate and TFM. It could of been true in the very beginning a few times, but the fan moved on and then they kept sticking to that story because maybe they had real proof it did happen, but hadn't happened in ages.
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Yes. And even if it happened, she should have called law enforcement. If someone is making threats or vandalizing your property, you call the cops, not some two bit manager/security guard who feels important because he has a private security badge that his wife sewed onto his shirt. Lots of celebs have a looney tunes or two on the internet. Very few can seriously justify a bodyguard in their day to day life.
Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 128
And if she was so concerned about her children safety she should have let Steve with the kids or gotten them a bodyguard as well.
But she's the only one with "protection" while the kids are left w/nannies.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 127
Mel (#124), I understand the point you're making. Remember
when TFW sued Jon, saying he endangered her children's safety,
and then left town with the bodyguard?
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Yep, it has always been about a TFW's comfort, and not at all about the kids. I also think TLC appointed TFM to protect her image as she was out of control , claiming she was doing it all alone, when that was clearly not the case.
As the kids get older and wiser, my guess is the kids will NOT want to film. I have no idea how Kate makes this a mandate for the kids. Who knows what she tells them?? She really is a FREAK trying to continue to film these kids as much as possible for her to meet her own needs,
TFW is never going to change as her show will always be ALL about TFW. Lots of help available to her yet she continues to pretend she does it "ALL ALONE."
This show needs to hit the bricks. Get a job Kate -your kids are 10 and 13 years old.
I knew TFM was for KK when she said on WWHL that she needed a boobguard for herself because she's the priority you causes she's the sole provider bs bs and more bs..
And that's why TFM is always around with her and not the kids.
But oh how exciting to be SO famous that you'll need a bodyguard!!! Look at ME! Look what I got!
Gag me.
I'll bet she never even thought of getting one when she originally mapped out the whole HOM plan. Getting a silver-haired security guy hovering over her was an added bonus thrown in courtesy of TLC.
♫¸¸.•* If they could see me now, my little dusty group
Traipsin' round this million dollar chicken coop *¨*•♫
Kate is a twit said... 129
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Thank you so much for the research and juxtaposing years-later interviews.
It just goes to show that the answer is "no, we're never going to stop as long as I'm breathing".
Plain as that.
Kate's spin may change, but the bottom line is that she's never going to take the children out of the spotlight, as long as filming them and selling them makes her money.
I also don't believe she had huge legal bills when TLC was taking care of suing Jon's pants off.
♫¸¸.•* If they could see me now, my little dusty group
Traipsin' round this million dollar chicken coop *¨*•♫
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LOL!! I just watched that the other night on an old movie channel. It's been some time since they've aired it. One of my favorites, as you can tell from my sign-in name!
Why would she have "major, major, major, major" legal debt in 2010?
bm
My guess is TFW may start to get chatty on Twitter pretty soon.
To drum up interest in the show, of course. But also because
there are possible Christmas gifts x 8 she's going to need to
start hinting for. And don't forget one their for hardworking
mama, who does it all alone. I'm cynical enough to think that's
why she finally responded to Gladys yesterday. When Gladys
refers to the "communicating" they do that we don't know about,
I have a feeling she means that she sends gifts to TFW and
the kids that they DM about, but don't mention on Twitter.
I think the problem is that no one in the media wants to do "gotcha" journalism on Kate, for fear of losing their jobs or incurring some sanctions for not playing the game.
Most of the media is in bed together, and when Kate is a guest on a show, she will never get put on the spot to the point that anyone points out the glaring false dichotomies she's so carefully crafted over the years.
Not filming her children is simply not now nor has it ever been tantamount to not being able to pay the bills, feed the kids and send them to school.
It simply does not follow.
The problem is that even though you and I can easily follow this simple logic, the fact is that Kate and her drama generate lots of money for lots of people, from magazines to talk shows to TLC and the very crew that films the children and wipes up their remaining privacy and dignity with celluloid.
"Hear me very clearly," the star of the TLC special Kate Plus 8: Sextuples Turn 10 said in an interview with E! News this week. "If there was another way to singly support eight children, you would not know this name and I would be on an island, and so would they. You would never hear from us again."
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Maybe Kate is jealous of Celine Dion's $72.5M house on Jupiter Island. She'd better start taking singing lessons if she wants to live like this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/27/celine-dion-house_n_3822689.html
N.E. Psychologist said... 162
Rape is about power; not so much about sex.
Given his stature and looks, BC could have seduced many if not all of these women.
He chose to drug them and rape them instead.
His reputation is no longer protecting him.
Karma is a bitch.
(still reading - love this veranda)
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Thank you for making this important point. I think we would all agree that Bill Cosby, especially in his 30's and 40's, was incredibly successful, wealthy, and powerful. That means he could have had his choice of willing women. (Look at Tiger Woods and how many girlfriends he had -- all of whom were apparently willing and happy to be with him.) But it appears that was not what he wanted. It appears he hurt a large number of women, purposely.
I read one article where Carla Ferrigno describes what happened to her. She was young and single at the time, and a friend of Bill Cosby's took her on a double date with Bill and his wife. After the date, all four returned to BC's home to play pool in the basement. Suddenly, she finds herself alone with BC and he begins to kiss her very forcefully. She was able to break away and leave the house without it going further. The most distressing part is that not only does she think her "date" was in on the plan, she also thinks Cosby's wife was aware of it too. It is all very, very sordid.
I think there are just too many women coming forward, with very specific stories that demonstrate a pattern of behavior by BC, to say it's all fabricated. Too much smoke -- has to be a fire. I am sorry to say it, because I liked BC as a comedian and have done so since a child. But something is very wrong with this man. He has a likeable facade; he's clearly very intelligent; he clearly had to overcome racism to make a success of himself. It's such a shame that underneath all that -- he's a monster. But now the world is learning the truth. He can forget about having a great legacy now, and he deserves to lose every bit of respect, admiration and fan-love he worked so hard to obtain.
Dmasy said... 6
halp?!, you have a very good memory. Yes. We re-located. We retired and downsized and moved 1,100 miles from a big, old, memory-filled home.
It isn't easy. You will agonize and feel all kinds of anxiety. For awhile.
Change can make us bolder. Possessions can become burdens.
Keep only the most important pieces of your past. The new home will give you a sense of freedom. A smaller place will reduce your responsibilities and with that you get extra time. Extra time translates into experiences -- meeting new neighbors, expanding hobbies, and exploring interests you didn't have time for.
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Dmasy - I don't have a great memory, so I had forgotten that you were moving and downsizing. I am going through the same process, although I only moved one town over. Great advice and insights. I went from a 3 BR, 2BA home to a 1BR, 1BA apartment! Early on in the process, I did a big dump run and got rid of a number of larger items. Then I went through all the closets and dressers and cleaned out a bunch of clothes that my son had long outgrown, clothes I hadn't worn in a year or more, etc. That ended up filling up several large garbage bags full, and I dropped them off to Salvation Army.
Then I looked at the remaining furniture and goods and had to decide what to let go of, even though I might still find those items beautiful or useful; and what to keep in storage.
I had to remind myself that these things are just possessions, and the most important things I need would be photo albums, not the old side table that had been in my grandmother's room. (The side table that has just been sitting in my back bedroom basically ignored and usually un-dusted for years.)
Hope you are all settled in your new home.
Why would she have "major, major, major, major" legal debt in 2010?
bm
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The attorney's fees from the divorce that was finalized in 2009?
OT: DWTS finale is tonight! All the finalists are incredibly talented and hard working. NO SPOILERS
Sadie Robertson of the Duck Dynasty family is really talented, she and Mark have a LOT of fun together. Parents are there every week, and Mom or grandma have been on set since she is under 18.
Alfonso is my favorite, he puts on a show! Derek and Bethany have come up with so many fun routines. Janel and Val are just adorable together and so romantic in their dancing.
Who will win? Someone who has worked hard and worked well with their pro partner, which is all of them!
I do hope the G8 will have some fun time, the next couple of days and not film. But, we all know Kate, the kids are off, and they are probably filming Xmas. Cause, in a week, K8 will be on, sometime in December. I was watching Extreme Cheapstakes & Extreme couponers, and TLC mention the Little people and most of the curent shows, except HHB, and not one mention of K8 or when it will be on. Let's hope they don't run K8 for a week, would ruin December, not that it is going to ruin it now.
“Sadly the answer to that question is no because I have major, major, major, major legal debt. That’s the truth,” Kate said. “I mean, honestly
if I could disappear tomorrow, blah blah blah..."
Four "majors," followed by "that's the truth," and then "honestly?"
Must be one of the biggest lies she's ever told.
Leif Adams @adams1339 44m44 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 You are the most beautiful woman I have ever seen.
Another 20-something guy who likes older women. I guess he doesn't get out much!
"Let's hope they don't run K8 for a week, would ruin December, not that it is going to ruin it now."
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How can they ruin December if you don't watch the show? Ignore it!
JoyinVirginia said... 144
OT: DWTS finale is tonight! All the finalists are incredibly talented and hard working. NO SPOILERS
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I'm looking forward to the finale. Alfonso is my favorite, also. I just loved his and Whitney's freestyle. All the freestyles were great and I just adored Sadie's and Mark's, which was very unique and fun.
If you thought BC was a selfish, self-centered pile of shitake, already, be prepared. The pile just got more dumped on. He actually threw his own oldest daughter under the bus. What a JERK!
Johnson said the story comes from a tabloid journalist he's known for years, who was working for the National Enquirer in 1989, when Cosby was at the height of his fame. Johnson said his fried was working on a story to run in the Enquirer about Cosby “swinging with Sammy Davis Jr. and some showgirls in Las Vegas.”
When the paper contacted Cosby for comment on the story, the reporter says the comedian offered them another one as a trade. That story was about Cosby's 23-year-old daughter daughter Erinn's battles with drugs and alcohol.
“My editor told me that daddy Cosby was the source," the source told Johnson. "He ratted out his flesh and blood.”
Cosby himself was also quoted in the Enquirer’s item about his daughter, saying: “Deep down inside, she knows we love her.”
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/11/25/members-press-issue-mea-culpas-on-botched-bill-cosby-coverage/
"Four "majors," followed by "that's the truth," and then "honestly?"
Must be one of the biggest lies she's ever told."
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Look at it this way. At least it wasn't EIGHT "majors."
Speaking of "majors", did you read the Kate Major and Michael Lohan got married? And they are bringing a second child into the world?
God help those children.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2848645/Lindsay-Lohan-s-father-Michael-marries-Kate-Major-initimate-beach-ceremony-doesn-t-invite-famous-daughter.html
Rhythm Of Life said... 136
LOL!! I just watched that the other night on an old movie channel. It's been some time since they've aired it. One of my favorites, as you can tell from my sign-in name!
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That song has lines in it that are so Kate-ish. She thinks mighty highly of herself but she's really nothing but a small town scam artist who made it to the big-times, if TLC can be called 'big-time' lol.
I've been getting caught up on comments, since I was without internet access for several days. Nice to see some comments from KYPastor and NE Psychologist here.
This "breaking" story about BC just floors me. I don't want to get into the specifics of the situation, but I do want to make a couple of comments.
One reason Mrs. C may stay with him is fear. She's a woman in her mid 70's. She may be afraid of starting over and being on her own at that age.
Several commenters have made reference to Lisa Bonet abruptly being gone from "The Cosby Show", never to appear again. I watched the show regularly back in the day and I didn't remember it that way, so I looked it up. She originally left the show in 1987, to star in a spin-off, "A Different World" about her character's college life. Around the same time, she married Lennie Kravitz and had a child. She left "A Different World" in 1989 and made frequent appearances on "The Cosby Show" through 1991 (the show ended in 1992). BTW -- Phylicia Rashad (Claire Huxtable) made 4 guest appearances on ADW, BC made 3, Keshia Knight Pulliam made 3, and Malcolm-Jamal Warner made 2. Source is imdb.com .
I'm touched by the posts by rape survivors here. Thank you for trusting us with your memories and emotions and bless you for coming out on the other side.
That song has lines in it that are so Kate-ish. She thinks mighty highly of herself but she's really nothing but a small town scam artist who made it to the big-times, if TLC can be called 'big-time' lol.
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Yes, especially "million dollar chicken coop" and "So, let me get right to the point, I don't pop my cork for every guy I see." (only Flying Monkeys)! But, you know that Rhythm of Life is a powerful beat...rhythm in the bedroom, rhythm in the street...!
Interesting read at The Daily Profiler by Pat Brown about what she experienced as a 19 year old in Hollywood. patbrownprofiling.blogspot.com
bm
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2014/11/25/members-press-issue-mea-culpas-on-botched-bill-cosby-coverage/
I wonder if Singer is pulling his hair out right now.
Cause, in a week, K8 will be on, sometime in December.
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The show will be on in a week? Was the date announced?
I am really surprised and glad that some of the members of the media are saying I woulda shoulda coulda about Cosby. It's so rare they admit they are wrong. If there is any time to do so it's for this.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 7m7 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Ha....your new blower is abt 2get a workout! Hope it has electric starter! �� Me & leafblower battled 2get going.. #PullChord
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Whoa! I've read Milo's tweets. She recently said that she uses correct grammar and punctuation when she tweets. "Me & leafblower" -- really, Milo?
Rhythm Of Life (#159), yes, Gladys recently patted herself on the
back about her mad grammar and spelling skillz! And, oops...
I think she meant "pull cord," not "pull chord," unless her blower
starts by some musical mechanism.
Rymthm of Life: December begins next week, I looked at the TLC schedule and K8 is not on it yet. TLC has Dec 1 & half of Dec 2nd's listing. TLC also has not announced on TV or put any commercial of any kind for K8, they did for about 2 weeks now for the Little Couple, and the other current shows. Perhaps, TLC does not want to get negative e-mail, if they put K8 commercial on now. TLC is doing a December preview tonight, from the commercials, no K8.
I'm pretty mystified myself over why we don't have a release date yet for the new "season" they were so giddy over a few months back.
TLC really plugs their other shows like crazy, and runs reruns of every single one of their current shows constantly. I can't wrap my head around why Kate Plus 8 is rarely if ever in reruns, or why there is no release date when December is less than a week away. I have wondered if it might be because there is some kind of financial dispute over the payouts for the reruns, but that's just my own wild speculations.
Rymthm of Life: December begins next week,
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LOL. Yes, I know! I was asking if there was a date yet because you said, "Cause, in a week, K8 will be on..."
That sounded to me like in a week, the show will be on. I didn't know how else to interpret it! I thought it was rather clear! :)
Jessa Duggars marriage proposal was on this afternoon. I couldn't believe that the whole family was involved to the point of insanity. Ben wanted to propose to Jessa in this beautiful church out in the woods in the Ozarks, with candles and roses on the floor everywhere. Jinger was her accountability buddy and Ben wasn't even around.
He sent her out on a scavenger hunt all day with Jinger and they finally got to the church. Jessa got out and THEN Jinger and I said, you've got to be kidding, Jessa can't walk down this little path up to the church??? Then as Jessa walks in, I thought, oh, Jinger is outside. No such luck. Jessa walks in and Jinger is right behind her walking beside her and then Jinger sits down in a pew and finally Jessa was allowed to walk the 15 feet by herself to Ben.
No privacy, at all. This is a big hurdle for these older kids, who are way over 18 who want to leave. So sickening to see Jim Bob and Michelle talking a JB doing a dip kiss with Michelle while Jana stood behind them. It's like they love rubbing it in her face that THEY can do this, but she can't. It embarrassed her and she said, OK. Like, Dang! You could see and feel the tension, but, she was smiling. Bless her heart.
I think it's even stranger that TLC hasn't announced the air dates
yet when you consider they yanked Honey Boo Boo. You'd think
they would be scrambling to get new shows on the air, and surely
at least one or two of the new K+8 episodes are edited and ready
to air. Hmmm...
This had me thinking so I checked their web site and you have to REALLY search for Kate Plus 8 to find it anywhere. It's basically on a holding page you can only get to on like page three of their shows. They are plugging dozens of other shows before this one.
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/kate-plus-8
And the holding site is old, old, old. Nothing about the new series. No clips from the new series even though they were filming this summer and have plenty of time to put clips up. Nothing current. In fact some of the clips are so old the kids are practically toddlers. Kate's blogs are ANCIENT.
I suppose it's possible they MAY be rethinking this. I mean, this show is controversial, the little stunt she pulled with the twins on the Today show sparked universal outrage, and maybe they're thinking they really don't need another PR disaster right now. They have a ton of shows they could plug and fill the airwaves with instead.
I am told the labor department is watching TLC like hawks this time around. I wonder if that's playing any kind of role too. Maybe that is annoying to TLC. So annoying they don't want to do this anymore?
You'd think
they would be scrambling to get new shows on the air,
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And scrambling to change the subject.
They have to know though that this show is controversial too, for different reasons. Maybe their PR team has advised them to just stay away from all controversy whatsoever right now while things cool down. Don't replace one controversy with another controversy, even a smaller controversy. Frankly that's what I would say.
Maybe Kate irritated them when she called them asking to replace Honey Boo Boo before the paint was even dry. Allegedly!
Totally off topic, has anyone ever cooked with hominy before? I found a great recipe for chicken soup that includes it. I've eaten it and like it, but never cooked with it. I'm not sure whether to just get it from the can or actually cook it from scratch. I'd prefer from scratch.
The older the G kids get, the more controversial filming them gets. At this point, it looks forced to make 8 kids film like they're still 5 and 8-year olds.
To herd them together and make them do the same things is forced and fake, and it shows.
Just look how awkward the tups carnival party was.
The twins didn't care, so why were they forced to be there?
For filming, obviously.
The tups looked to be on the cusp of having had enough of the damn group couch interviews, and the twins were beyond over it.
Very uncomfortable to watch.
Of course, K+8 continues to be tinged with controversy with a father who has not changed his tune about wanting his 8 kids off of tv.
Admin, I have eaten posole my entire life, made from hominy. I suspect it may be a popular dish where you live. We used frozen hominy, but it is packed in lye so you have to rinse and rinse and rinse. Canned doesn't really taste much different, believe it or not!
The older the G kids get, the more controversial filming them gets. At this point, it looks forced to make 8 kids film like they're still 5 and 8-year olds.
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Yes. It's not cute to watch Cara not speak. It's uncomfortable. It's not adorable the way the kids walk all over their mother and act immature and wild. It's awkward.
I think TLC darn well knows this, but they just sort of looked the other way before. The HBB issue may have caused them to rethink their position on this and many other shows. It will be interesting to see how December shakes out.
getoff, 161: Perhaps, TLC does not want to get negative e-mail, if they put K8 commercial on now.
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Has negative e-mail or criticism ever stopped them from doing anything?
Blowing In The Wind said... 122
I don't know what Kate has said recently. but Steve spoke out very early, right after he was hired. I also remember him saying that there was one particular fan who followed her around and it started to freak out Kate. That's why he said he was hired.
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Your memory is faulty. You are recalling the speculation that he was hired because of Baby Mama, not what he actually said. Here is what he said:
"I've had threats left in her mailbox, threats left on the front doorstep -- so there's a lot of stuff that members of the public don't know. There's stuff Kate doesn't even know, the contents of these emails, that haven't been shared with her. From a security perspective, we look at all that.
People either love her to bits or they hate her. Sometimes it's almost just as tricky to deal with an overzealous fan who loves her as it is to deal with somebody that doesn't like her so much."
http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/bodyguard-kate-plus-8-star-kate-gosselin-has-received-threats-11106.php
I'm remembering a particular fan who was crazy about Alexis way back then, who was constantly saying how much she loved her, wanted to "mother" her, etc. etc. I thought at the time when Steve spoke about overzealous fans he had that one in mind.
Of course, when you've been really hitting the Rumspringa, it does strange things to the mind and one's memory is often faulty, so I guess your comment applies to me, too!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 3h3 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 I really would frame & treasure seeing U out there in the snow w/that #SnowBlower just a going! Remember U & the shovel...CAR!
She'd "frame and treasure" her? Oh, brother!
chloeberk @chloeberk 5h5 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 You should put Tom in a salt water brine until Thurs and have the most delicious, moist bird ever.
Can't you see Master Chef Kate, the cookbook author, googling directions on brining a turkey!
Of course, when you've been really hitting the Rumspringa, it does strange things to the mind and one's memory is often faulty, so I guess your comment applies to me, too!
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lol!! BIOTB (blame it on the booze)! Works for me every time!
I am told the labor department is watching TLC like hawks this time around. 166
Oh, I hope so!
Re: hominy. It is corn treated in lye as PJ's said; nothing "fresh" about it. We always use canned and rinsed. I love posole.
On an OT note, this east coast storm has seriously messed up my Thanksgiving plans. It's going to be just Roo and me.
Roo was rescued from a shelter in GA and has never seen snow. This should be interesting.........
I'm remembering a particular fan who was crazy about Alexis way back then, who was constantly saying how much she loved her, wanted to "mother" her, etc. etc. I thought at the time when Steve spoke about overzealous fans he had that one in mind.
Of course, when you've been really hitting the Rumspringa, it does strange things to the mind and one's memory is often faulty, so I guess your comment applies to me, too!
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Wasn't there a woman in the Food Bank episode who had ALEXIS tattooed on her arm? She actually said it was for Alexis Gosselin
Your memory is faulty. You are recalling the speculation that he was hired because of Baby Mama, not what he actually said. Here is what he said:
"I've had threats left in her mailbox, threats left on the front doorstep -- so there's a lot of stuff that members of the public don't know. There's stuff Kate doesn't even know, the contents of these emails, that haven't been shared with her. From a security perspective, we look at all that.
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I absolutely believe she (the family!) had death threats and that Flying Monkey was hired. I'm sure it was all on the up and up at the beginning, but then love blossomed! Her very own Kevin Costner...♪♪and IIIIIII willll always love youuuuuuuu♪♪
She would surely claim she invented brining!
Tucker's Mom said... 169
The older the G kids get, the more controversial filming them gets. At this point, it looks forced to make 8 kids film like they're still 5 and 8-year olds.
To herd them together and make them do the same things is forced and fake, and it shows.
Just look how awkward the tups carnival party was.
The twins didn't care, so why were they forced to be there?
For filming, obviously.
The tups looked to be on the cusp of having had enough of the damn group couch interviews, and the twins were beyond over it.
Very uncomfortable to watch.
Of course, K+8 continues to be tinged with controversy with a father who has not changed his tune about wanting his 8 kids off of tv.
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I agree. Twins= done. Boy tups- wooden soldiers. Girl tups- Sassy and aggressive towards boys. TLC buys the tups a birthday present the boys will not be able to use, as they do their "chicken duties," which they must sign off on. She bought it for her own convenience to pick up chicken feed. Sad and disturbing that she once again thinks of no one other than herself, while milking TLC.
Her last show of the tups birthday was nothing other than a narcissists' wet dream. All about HER. Her acting like she "did it all," what a joke. The only work she probably did was filmed and probably not completed by her, but rather TLC crew.
If she is still claiming all kids want to film, it is a complete lie, as if the kids have any say in this decision. They are old enough now to have an opinion, and TFW probably fills their heads with threatening ideas, such as they will not be able to go to same school, will need to sell house, etc... all of which are clearly not an issue, based on the pile of money she is sitting on.
She is clearly manipulative, and some of the kids are getting this.I am guessing the money she earned on DWTS and CA is hers, all hers. She really is a selfish, self-absorbed parent, who believes that unless the kids film, they have no right to money SHE earned solo. That is Kate's money. This is not going to end well. These kids are not babies any more, and clearly are rebelling and it is not going to get better. JMO
Your memory is faulty.
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It wouldn't be the first time, and I'm sure it's not the last time. Thanks for finding that quote for me. I'm not familiar with Baby Mama, so I don't remember any speculation that it was that person. But, as you say, my memory is faulty!
Has negative e-mail or criticism ever stopped them from doing anything?
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No, but they've never had a scandal like HBB before.
I really don't think they've ever had anything come close to this before, and this may have been the proverbial tipping point for them where they reassess things.
I still think it's strange they've been so tight lipped about Kate.
I was reading in the paper today how one of the victims was saying that BC tried to assault her, but she got away.
Then she said that she agreed to go to an event with him 3 weeks later, where he drugged her, and possibly assaulted her while she was drugged.
I realize that she was young, 19 or so, but still...why would you agree to go to an event later with a man who tried to assault you? This is the part I don't get in this story.
It's not that I don't believe their stories. I do believe them. I do think he drugged them for the purpose of assaulting them. And I believe the story that others were a part of arranging young girls to be made available to him, with his wife's full knowledge and complicity.
The part I don't get is why any of them would continue any contact whatsoever with him after he assaulted them. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around that part. I'm having a hard time reconciling their story (which I believe is true) with their subsequent actions.
The first assault is completely on him; he caught them completely unaware. The second one....I don't know...why take the chance that it's going to happen again? Is the chance for fame or whatever they were seeking worth the chance of being assaulted (again)?
No flaming...I'm just puzzled about this. There must be a psychology part of this that I'm missing.
No, but they've never had a scandal like HBB before.
I really don't think they've ever had anything come close to this before, and this may have been the proverbial tipping point for them where they reassess things.
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It's highly suspect that TLC is feigning utter shock at the recent revelations about Mama June and her penchant for pedophiles.
How could they not know?
Now this is two incidents involving TLC shows and pedophiles.
Convicted sex offenders- might they be worried that the Bill Blankenship story will be revisited after the HCHBB scandal?
After all, that pervert was an editor on multiple episodes of 3 of their shows that film minor children (in unguarded, unprotected and vulnerable moments) as the mainstay of the storyline.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 3h3 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 I really would frame & treasure seeing U out there in the snow w/that #SnowBlower just a going! Remember U & the shovel...CAR!
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Milo plz stop being a creep.
Your memory is faulty. You are recalling the speculation that he was hired because of Baby Mama, not what he actually said. Here is what he said:
"I've had threats left in her mailbox, threats left on the front doorstep -- so there's a lot of stuff that members of the public don't know. There's stuff Kate doesn't even know, the contents of these emails, that haven't been shared with her. From a security perspective, we look at all that.
People either love her to bits or they hate her. Sometimes it's almost just as tricky to deal with an overzealous fan who loves her as it is to deal with somebody that doesn't like her so much."
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It might have been speculation as to the identity of the fan, but it was not rumors or gossip that there was an overzealous fan obsessed with her and following her around. I don't know who the person was, but there absolutely was such a fan, and whether this is the sole reason Steve was hired, I'm not sure. Steve even mentioned "zealous fans" in his statement.
They were correct about the snow forecast, right down to the hour. We are getting hammered here. I wonder if Kate's out with her snowblower and who is pulling her "chord."
The part I don't get is why any of them would continue any contact whatsoever with him after he assaulted them. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around that part. I'm having a hard time reconciling their story (which I believe is true) with their subsequent actions.
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I agree. Totally. I have been questioning this (and the parenting) since all of this came out. You don't go back for more. You don't have consensual sex after you've been assaulted. You just don't, and I don't care how young or naive you are. I don't think we're getting the whole story in many of these accounts.
Kate will snow blow her driveway the same way she power washed her house.
Hold item, screech and scream, waive nails around, pose for footage and photos, and hand it back to Mr. Handy Man.
PA Dutch Mom said... 188
It might have been speculation as to the identity of the fan, but it was not rumors or gossip that there was an overzealous fan obsessed with her and following her around. I don't know who the person was, but there absolutely was such a fan, and whether this is the sole reason Steve was hired, I'm not sure. Steve even mentioned "zealous fans" in his statement.
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Multiple people here stated that Steve said he was hired because of a specific fan. That is not what he said. He mentioned overzealous fans generally in his statement; he did not refer to a specific fan. He also talked about all the threats, but folks forgot about that part of the equation and were stating that Steve was hired because of a fan. There is no basis for jumping to that conclusion from his statement.
Some of these BC stories reminded me of an old Saturday Night
Live skit with Burt Reynolds. He comes to this family's house and
charms everyone, and then says he wants to take their 2 teenage daughters out. The parents are giddy with excitement, and don't
give it a second thought. The girls leave with him and the mom quickly calls a friend do brag about it. She says something into
the phone like, "Yes, he's going to sleep with them!" -- like, duh,
it's Burt Reynolds!
It sounds as if some of these parents maybe had their heads
turned by Cosby's fame and prestige and wealth, and it
clouded their judgment -- with allegedly horrific consequences.
I realize that she was young, 19 or so, but still...why would you agree to go to an event later with a man who tried to assault you? This is the part I don't get in this story.
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I get it. It happens. Psychology is complicated. Just like people ask why would someone have a relationship with someone who previously assaulted them.
Well, it could be any number of things, but i think one of the main reasons is that they are in such denial about the abuse and trying to compartmentalize it that they think well if I just make the perp my best friend or even lover, then this bad thing in the past couldn't have happened all along because we get along great. Humans have an uncanny ability to play complicated tricks on their own mind to deal with bad things. Stockholm syndrome is on the same spectrum.
Here we go... Kate and Snowmageddon.
Oh, unless I see footage of Kate snow blowing the entire driveway in its entirety, it didn't happen.
Hold item, screech and scream, waive nails around, pose for footage
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This is Milo's wet dream come true.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 15m15 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Hubs still LOLs over ur tweet abt the snow shovel and ur #BlondeMoment #BodyShop #PaintJob
Hubs must be as weird as Gladys!
Milo is on butt-kissing overkill today. "Heaven, she's in heaven, and her heart beats so that she can hardly speak,. and she seems to find the happiness she seeks, when she and Kate are kissing tweet to tweet."
Aside from the Bill Blankenship incident, how many people, who were close to/involved in filming, have come out to protest the filming of the Gosselin kids???
I know Kate had many helpers for quite a while, as well as nannys /babysitters/help, etc.. but not sure why her insanity with the kids has not been called out other than Jody and Kevin.
I know about the Confidentiality Agreements but there is a duty to report and there was a nanny who did report Kate's monitoring Jon's phone calls as well as requiring that of the nannies. Who does this, if they have nothing to hide. So many people and filming staff have left her life, and it is not for NO reason. Other than Jamie (who was fed up with her but getting paid with Kate treating her kids like crap) and Stevo, also getting paid to "guard TFW," who is even around anymore? I know Milo is but there is something clearly wrong there as she has never even met TFW.
Pretty sad state of affairs that she has no one close to her, other than paid help, and a nut bag. I am sure the CA folks will eat her alive for the fake and phony person that she is.
Maybe we can make a 2015 calendar for Milo as a Christmas gift, each month featuring a different Kate.
January Kate can be out there a-snow blowin', booty in the air. Spring cleaning in April she can wear that pink toolbelt. And of course in July she can rock that bikini.
Seriously, why is Kate even talking to this woman/man/thing.
I think the overzealous fans has become a thing of the past with the exception of a few, but most of them will not travel to see her. Her fans will twitter, but her book signings and appearances are not that well attended and received, except for a few celebrity nuts.
PA Dutch Mom said... 189
I agree. Totally. I have been questioning this (and the parenting) since all of this came out. You don't go back for more. You don't have consensual sex after you've been assaulted. You just don't, and I don't care how young or naive you are. I don't think we're getting the whole story in many of these accounts.
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Yes, people do. I had a college roommate who was raped by her drunk ex-boyfriend one night. A few weeks later, they got back together. You (and I) might not understand why someone would do that, but it happens all the time.
Why is it that the behavior of rape VICTIMS is constantly questioned? In the BC case, you have woman after woman coming forward with similar stories over a 50 year period. Some have been telling their stories for YEARS but nobody listened. And yet, your take away is that an actual rape victim wouldn't behave in the way some of these women reacted, so they must be liars. Why? What do these women have to gain by coming forward at this point? Suddenly there's a giant conspiracy against a beloved American icon?
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