Thursday, February 12, 2015

Recap: Kate Plus 8 "Rocking the Boat": Wrong, everyone has a soul. Yeah, science!

Last time on Kate Plus 8, Kate and the kids have never been to New England before, except when they've been before. Mady ate a lobster because Kate had a deprived childhood. Maine-ly, Kate was a hobbling harridan strapped into a corset, and she put on a shoe so stiff a dog could break its teeth on it. And, that's what she said! Coming up, rowing and fishing and Kate plays hide the bunny with the children's pet lobsters.



They've been "oowwn" their family vacation at the beach house, says the doofus from southern PA who is too darn lazy to try to sound less regional.

They have a boat ride arranged, and mercifully, Kate gives the children anti-sea sick wrist bands. Aw, poor kids. Thank goodness somebody is finally giving them a remedy for it instead of just letting it happen because it makes better T.V.

Mady first embarrasses Joel by telling the cameras all he has to do is step foot onto a plane and he's nauseous, then when he protests, tells Joel to shut up and shoves him in the face. The poor kid just takes it. As I said in the last recap, the amount of pushing, shoving, hitting and smacking going on here, quite frankly namely from the girls, is astounding. I've never seen anything like this from ten and fourteen year olds. Kate is not upset about the shove Mady just gave the kid in the face, but is upset she told him to shut up. Well, she's halfway there which is how she does just about everything, half-baked.

Ha, Hannah's right, Kate does say "mainly" a lot, which explains why none of the kids knew she was giving them hints about Maine. Lol. "Mainly," says Doofus, Cara was "hesitant" about the boat ride.

Can everyone just be quiet for a sec so I can pretend I'm alone? Kate demands.

"No!" some of the kids retort and they just talk louder. Lol. Her number. They have it.

They've arranged to have lunch on a little island called Indian Island, which greatly excites the three teenagers. Mady explains they read a book for school called And Then There Were None about an Indian Island. Nothing makes me happier than seeing a child get excited about seeing in person the things they have read or learned about. Of course this is not the real location of the book, which takes place in England, but that's no matter. I'm just happy to see kids realizing learning can be really cool. I don't read much mystery and haven't read this one, but it's pretty famous. It's an Agatha Christie novel, and apparently considered her magnum opus. Hm, I may have to add this one to the list. My library has it, and how amazing is it that a book published 80 years ago has a hold list of ten people still? Wow, what a legacy, Ms. Christie. Cara thinks this book took place in Maine. That's simply not true, it clearly takes place in the UK, but I don't know that that matters much. I suppose I'm just a bit disappointed that comment of hers was left in, because it makes her look a little silly, or perhaps not really paying attention to what she read after all.

They can't actually dock at the island, they have to be shuttled over there in small groups on the teeniest little dingy boat. I really resent when I have to agree with Kate, but I don't know why the captain didn't tell her this was going to happen, unless she wasn't listening, which is entirely possible. I think most mothers would not want to be separated from their children like this while they wait on the larger boat. Me being me I would be having Natalie Wood nightmares and all that, this is not a comfortable situation for someone as paranoid as myself.

Of course this sends her into mini crisis mode/pouting/whining instead of just trying to roll with it since there's nothing they can do about it. Most of the kids do fine with it, only a few seem uncomfortable but they survive. Kate grew up on a boat in Canada??? There's a 180 degree change in the narrative from her childhood. With her grandparents, eh? Well, sounds like she had a good time with them, that's ironic. Were they the ones to not allow her to have lobster or was that some other adult meanie? Too bad, and the one thing all our resident Canucks here on the blog had going for them is that Kate belongs to us, not them. Ha-ha, she's all yours now, girls. Her and Bieber.

Even once they are on the island Kate is still griping about the dingy. I know Kate said we are not to say shut up, but, shut up. They picnic off the beautiful Maine coast, everyone relaxes and seems happy.

The "lobstery boat" captain takes some of them off to check some traps. Kate goes into a mind-numbingly long explanation about how she's going to allow the teenagers to stay behind on the island while they go off and do this. Fine, they're old enough. She sounds very defensive. Why does she feel she needs to justify a perfectly reasonable parenting choice like this but for massive insecurity? She claims she doesn't care what people think of her parenting, but when she endlessly drones on about her parenting choices and why she makes them, it suggests otherwise.

I don't mind when Cara gets the setting of Agatha's book wrong, she's just a kid, but when doofus thinks And Then There Were None was in Maine too, she gets the #dolt hashtag. UK, Kate. It was in the UK. Read sometime. Read anything. It's good for you.

To make sure we get the message that just because she let them stay on the island alone doesn't mean she doesn't care about their safety (nobody cares about this island thing, TFW), Kate says the twins won't be allowed to drive until they are 18 just as Kate was not allowed to. Wow, Cara and Mady are having none of that. We're not you, Mady retorts. Hehe, see ya when they're 16, Kate.

Aaden looks bored to death on the couch as they explain the boring lobster stuff. He lets out a yawn so big it's audible. Wonder how long they had to sit on those couches and be made to talk about their mother. Poor guy. The younger kids enjoy the lobster fishing. Kate's playing on her phone. They are obviously not understanding these lobsters are meant to be eaten, even despite the fact that they have been instructed to only keep the big ones. The kids are petting, kissing, and naming the things.

Kate realizes maybe she didn't explain quite clearly this was dinner. The moment a child starts naming them, that should have been emphasized. I think this makes the kids look dumb, and that seems unfair to have them portrayed like this. When the reality is I would bet money Alex Forrest here intentionally didn't tell them the true nature of her intentions, for maximum drama.

Commercials. Oh, another little people family. We need more little people shows because the world is just not educated enough about exceedingly rare genetic mutations you may go through life not ever encountering once. #Snark.

We're back, and the kids are still having a lovely time catching lobsters and Kate finally clearly tells Alexis that they are going to be eating her friends for dinner. Maybe Alexis thought she was joking, I don't know.

Only people have souls, Kate says. Not animals. Joel and this entire blog of dog, cat, bird and otherwise lovers lets out a collective gasp.

Did you learn this on a game or a show, Doofus wants to know? No Kate, we just looked into the eyes of our babies and simply could not reconcile that they don't have a soul.


In fairness, I know a lot of conservative religions, including the one Kate was likely brought up in, do teach that animals don't have souls, and there seems to be some Biblical support for that. However, I once read online something from a pastor addressing this question. He said heaven is where we are perfectly happy, and if you need your fur baby to be happy, then there he will be. That made a lot of sense to me. There has also been some very recent and groundbreaking research examining MRI's from dogs that is showing that dogs do feel love and many other complex emotions scientists used to think only humans could experience. No soul? Science says you're wrong, Kate!



What I don't understand is why this point is so important to Kate. Joel can believe what he wants. He's his own person and is, gasp, developing his own views on the world, and things not of this world. Leave him alone. Joel even says rather smugly, these are "my words, and my thoughts." Ha-ha, Joel! Kate must just hate they are old enough to form their own words and have their own thoughts, and he seems to take delight in being able to hold his own when she disagrees with him or tries to tell him his opinions are incorrect. Good for him.

The teens are having silly fun with a gopro as teens tend to do. Only usually when this sort of thing happens it's posted on Youtube and gets all of 12 hits from your friends. I think Kate thought it was cute to ask the younger kids if they could choose, would they leave Mady and Cara there on the island and not pick them up. But some of them actually don't want to pick them up and that's mostly just troublesome, not cute, funny, or whatever.

They get back? And the lobsters are going to be murdered? And this will occur in the kitchen? With the candlestick? I want to give Kate a Vivica stink-eye for the constant uplift to her speech, it's infuriating. The more Kate speaks in questions the more I notice so many other Americans doing it, too, and it's become like nails on chalkboards to me. This is a pretty recent development in the American accent and it's about as bad as the Valley Girl speak that developed in the 80's if not more annoying.

The helpful captain-ish man gives Kate cooking advice. Surely he must have heard she wrote a cookbook, I'm sure she can handle this. I bet her rich not-a-boyfriend could even find her a stock photo of a nice bright red buttery lobster tail.

Kate is getting the water going in the kitchen and asks Alexis to bring the lobsters inside. Lexi refuses to do it. Why is Kate asking the kid who is most disturbed by this to help her do this? This has gone beyond even remotely cute. It's sadistic. Alexis is clearly very disturbed by what's about to happen. Good grief.

Contrary to the sort of misleading previews and the segment leading up to this part, I now am pretty sure Alexis did know the lobsters were going to be eaten. She was just in massive denial about it. Kate couldn't have been clearer earlier. Even on the couch poor Alexis is crying just thinking about the incident, oh my gosh. Poor baby!

Back in the kitchen Alexis is screaming in horror.

Kate gets in yet another slam at her childhood. She had pet rabbits and her dad killed them and made her eat them. Well, that's fucked up. If true. I suspect it's not though.  I imagine her dad very clearly told her this is our food source, not a pet, so Kate Irene please don't name them, hug them kiss them, get attached or what have you. Kate being Kate likely just wouldn't listen. It's interesting that she doesn't seem to recognize the similarities between her and Lex. Alexis was very clearly told not to make these lobsters her pets but she wouldn't listen. At the end of the day Kate can't kill them with Alexis this upset, and they are released back to the wild where they will likely weaken and die anyway.

The kids say they would rather just eat lobster in a restaurant, and I know that sounds silly because what's the difference, but I get that. Lots of people are able to eat meat and seafood as long as they don't see it alive first. The second they see the animal alive and know it will die they can't handle it. Even some of the women on this Discovery show called Alaska: The Last Frontier chow down meat like buttered popcorn but end up in sobs at the thought of having to actually gun down the poor thing. I think that's a common reaction. That said, I hope the kids do understand that animals do have to be killed to eat them. There's not some special line on meat restaurants have that skips the killing part. Aaden is still exceedingly bored, yawning and stretching away.

They free Willie and get Chinese take-out instead. Heh, no irony there or anything.


Next up, they're going to go rowing, and the kids' default seems to be to just be contrary. They constantly oppose whatever suggestions Kate has for them and basically everything out of her mouth.

Although I always appreciate good karma and to some extent being contrary is normal at this age, I really don't think that should be happening this constantly. Kate says they always act like that and she just ignores it usually. While she's explaining all this she's vigorously rubbing away at some stain on Collin's t-shirt, the t-shirt he is currently wearing, while he stands there patiently letting her manually Kenmore him for what feels like forever. It's a t-shirt that looks like it cost all of about 15 bucks at Old Navy. That can't just be sprayed with a little stain fighter and thrown in the wash?

Emily is a long-time friend of Doofus here. Kate must think there are no historians on this blog. Oh, but there are. And turns out, no, Kate, Emily certainly is not a long-time friend. She is a fan who only just a few years ago said it was her "dream" to meet Kate, she made it happen by showing up at an event the Goz-lands happened to be at, and has weaseled her way in ever since, and we have a host of her creepy and obsessed tweets to prove she is just an obsessed fan. This is the person you are allowing around your children? How many celebs need to be killed or injured or emotionally harmed by their obsessed fans before it becomes clear this is a bad idea?

I don't want to rag on Emily for too long here though I would have a lot more to say about her, but I did want to point out one thing I find the creepiest about her. And that is that she is some 18 maybe 19-year-old kid who over the past few years has morphed to be more and more like Kate. She even admits her family says she looks just like Kate. It's so Single White Female and disturbing.


The kids were thrilled to see Emily, says Kate. Huh, the kids look rather quiet and indifferent to me. They've been through a revolving door of nannies over the years and I don't really know how much time they have even really and truly spent with Em. If they have, I see no evidence of any special bond having developed with her.

The teens go off to do paddle boarding and their instructor Tim says he understands they don't like authority. Wtf? Did Kate tell him that? What a douche thing to say to girls who were just standing there listening not doing anything wrong.

Emily's right there front and center living the dream of every fan as she helps Kate carry their boat down to the water, minus the sail off into the sunset part.

Kate slams Collin saying he's not very good at hearing and following instructions (or maybe he just doesn't want to follow instructions from you, dolt). She slams the other boys too saying Aaden hesitates about things and Joel dislikes things. She never does this sort of pegging to the girls. Never. But, but, they're all wonderful, she amends. The boys did a good job with the boat and are proud of themselves.

Back to the teens, I'm sorry but Tim is being a dick. Who is this guy? Even Cara and Marly agree he's being mean to Mady. Mady strips off her lifejacket and quits. Sheesh.

Kate is freaking out on the boat, claiming she is dizzy, and overall being a damsel in distress. The teens call her out on this, saying she always says she loves boats but when she gets on them she acts like a fool. Lol. Why does Kate do this to herself anyway? She does it a lot, acts like things that terrify her are actually great. Sounds like more catfishing of herself I guess. Even when this task is all over Kate said if she lived closer to water she'd be out there after the bus stop without a doubt. Makes no sense. She's freaking out so much she's holding up the whole boat from going, which is just annoying if you are in the boat. If you are that upset, please don't hold up everybody else while you pull yourself together. It's selfish and rude.

I like how Kate thinks she's so sharp but in reality constantly uses the wrong word or says the wrong idiom or gets things slightly or a lot off. Like saying the past tense "drowned" instead of the correct present tense "drown," and her comment that "Cara was born rowing." She came out of the womb pumping her arms? Hehe. Even the instructor can't help herself and has to correct Kate, saying the idiom the right way that Cara was born to row. Lol, sometimes ya just gotta fix things like that, like scratching an itch.

Timelapse of the ocean waves, and boy can you tell the difference in production values between TLC and NBC. This time-lapse is just an amateur one, looks like a kid could have made it. They didn't even bother with an interesting composition nor did they run it for more than maybe 10 minutes. Celebrity Apprentice time-lapse crews have slow-moving dollies and 16mm lenses and apertures wide enough to take in an entire dark sky for hours. I have seen all kinds of little production mistakes or amateurs shot over the years on TLC, and not only does it make me think they throw these things together on a shoestring budget for maximum profit, but I also don't think anyone in production particularly cares about this project. Kind of sad.

The twins say Kate pays them for good grades. Not so sure Kate wanted the fact that she's bribing them for good grades to come out, given that's one of the most controversial parenting choices you can make. (For the record, Dave Ramsey doesn't think it's a problem, because he feels it's essential that children be taught to associate hard work with money.)

Kate says she handles the children's money. Heh, I bet you do. She gives them souvenir money to go shopping and actually lets the kids carry it themselves this time. Geez, I hope they will be allowed to skip their bottles and nappie time today too. Kate orders the little kids to look with their eyes not their hands. Good grief already.

The kids want the sort of silly things most kids their age want like an outhouse bank and stuffed animals they are about 7 days away from outgrowing. Kate say hey it was their money they can get what they want so I'm not going to judge anymore, but then makes a big judgey eye roll at the camera. Oh, so the kids will just feel judged later when they watch the episode. Next they head to an epic candy store. I love little places like this that have absolutely everything you could think of.

They don't shop very often? It's exhausting? Gaaah!

Kate all but admits she doesn't usually take the kid out shopping because it's just too much on her. Kate gets the various lobster tools you need to cook lobster at home. I guess she's going to try cooking at home again instead of eating out like they were talking about last night. Only this time instead of cooking Alexis's friends she will just cook friends of Alexis's friends, so she seems to think Alexis will be fine with that. Hehe.

Wait, speaking of last night, she was about to put Lex's friends in boiling water last night, she didn't have all her tools gathered then? Someone as "organized" as her didn't have all her little lobster doo-hickey things all lined up like ducks in a row? I call B.S., this is so contrived and when things are made up by producers little mistakes or things that don't make much sense like this happen.

Collin has studied his script carefully I see as he says something no 10 year old would usually think independently, something about Kate doing pretty good for just one of her and eight kids. Eight kids is all he knows, and he's simply not old enough to really realize that it would be abnormal or difficult for a mother to handle all these kids. Except if Kate constantly told him so. That's what Kate always says on Twitter and the like, and I would bet the farm he's just picked that up and parroting her. He is proud she is his mom, which is a little bit more like what someone his age says, I guess.

The only thing more boring than being dragged along on a boring shopping trip is watching a boring shopping trip. Next, they stop at a seafood market type place so Kate can pick up lobster and various sea food, except all or at least some of it is being delivered. If it's being delivered why not just have all of it delivered? I'm slightly confused, but don't care enough to rewind. Kate talks like she just survived that tank battle in Fury and not a simple souvenir shopping trip where all the kids look well-behaved to me. Good heavens.

Kate likes to cook when she is on vacation. Yuck, I do too. Damn it. Eating out is fun and it's easy to find the best places with Yelp, but it gets time consuming and expensive and sometimes disappointing, and besides it's so fun to go grocery shopping in a little store and meet some locals and get recommendations and experiment. I love it. Thanks to a wonderful web site called AirBnB, you can now get a place to stay with a full kitchen for the same price as a hotel and often much less.

There are moments now and again where it's clear the children do love each other, which is a relief. Such as this one, when Alexis helps Aaden put on his lobster bib and then gives him a big hug and says "My baby, you're my baby!" Aw. Aaden seems to be a family favorite.

This really pretty lady shows up at the door carrying a box full of lobsters.

Are you the lobster delivery person? Kate asks the woman carrying a box full of lobsters. No, that's the pool girl. The lawn boys are coming right after her, and then the lobster delivery person will arrive, followed by four calling birds three french hens and two nannies.

Lobster delivery chick is not just a delivery person but a chef who comes in and helps to clean and cook the lobsters. If Kate ever caught this young woman's name she invited into the house and around her children all night or so much as shook her hand, we didn't see it. Kate even admits she left the woman in the other room with the kids and the lobsters while Kate hung out with the twins in the kitchen and cooked scallops.

The kids all try their lobsters, some of them thought it was okay, but Collin didn't like it, it was white and spongey. I don't much like it either to be honest, it tastes spongey to me too. I'll eat it in seafood bisques but that's about it. It has the look of shrimp but none of the delicious flavor. One of the most overrated delicacies ever. I think it's sad that for all the talk Kate has been doing the past episodes about how important it is the kids have this experience with the lobsters, she leaves a stand-in-nanny they just met to actually oversee the event, and completely misses the whole thing. I've been the nanny in that situation before that's for sure, and it's shitty because I knew darn well the kids noticed who wasn't there even if they wouldn't dare speak it out loud. Kate is so much like the parent I worked for in the sense that they both seem to grasp that it would be nice to give their kids fun and interesting experiences, like say a big lobster dinner in Maine. However, what they don't get is that it's not so much the experience that the kid really wants but rather to experience it with you, their beloved parent, as you laugh and recoil and go through it together. Stop, and sit down with your kids for once, Kate.

The kids are way too old to be spewing out food they don't like back on their plate in a big honking loogie. Pick up your napkin for goodness sake and be a lady. Kate happens to be there for that, and doesn't say anything about it.

On their last day, they had a nice sunny day and headed to the beach. The kids loved it and talk excitedly about writing everyone's name in the sand. Mady and Cara for some reason really didn't like how Kate walked on the names and said they just wanted to leave. Yikes, wonder what that was about, I don't think Kate was doing anything wrong, and that's not something I usually say! Everyone was running over it, for fun. You can redraw it. I think a lot of the twins' behavior and complaints goes much deeper than the incidents they claim are upsetting them.

The kids treat Kate like their personal Judge Judy, constantly running to her with complaints and transgressions and wanting her to dole out justice. They obviously do this because Kate has not made it clear to them she won't pander to that sort of nonsense. I think she actually sometimes likes hearing about their little spats and other conflict. She likes the drama, she's bored. I can just see Judge Judy saying, Child, you were at the ocean and you got splashed by your brother. It's the ocean for pity sake! Your case is dismissed!


Kate however helplessly tries to figure out who splashes who and then tells them if they splash each other they are done. Done? Wowser.

Wow, the splashing thing really pushed Kate over the edge. Holy smokes. She freaks out to the cameras, going on and on about how it's eight against one and 56 different sides to a story and as soon as she helps one there's another one needs help. She is the little dutch boy. Oh well, shouldn't have popped out eight kids and estranged every last person who ever tried to help you with them I guess.

"Stand by the road with a free to a good home sign," she tells the girls. Kate thinks that comment is funny, I think it's freaking nasty. There's teasing, and then there's being an asshole. She is an asshole. Correct, Jon.

Waahhh, the problems of the one percent. They didn't want to leave their already ridiculously long and luxurious vacation. They wanna stay longer, waahhh.

They have icecream for dinner and make their own ice cream. That can be really fun, we used to do that. Cool. Never done it that way, with the ice cream put in these little plastic balls to "cook", you can play with them! Most of the kids liked the rope course the best, and I think somebody else reported they liked the icecream. I don't recall any of them saying they liked the lobsters the best. Sure enough, the things the kids liked the best were the things Kate actually did with them and not the epic lobster dinner that she ended up skipping. Told ya.

Collin, who is only 10 years old, liked spending "quality time" with his family. Sigh, I fear he is being made Kate's mouthpiece by her, and it's disconcerting. He should not have to bear such a burden.

My DVR again recorded this nice though quite dysfunctional Whitney chick from My Big Fat Life, without my permission. DVRs should not be your rebellious teenager who openly defies your wishes. See you next time.

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Anonymous said...

Sue_Buddy said... 200
Remona Blue said... 189
''McGibney is on the hook for $200,000 in their attorney fees and $1 million in court sanctions for violating the law in Texas.''

https://viaviewfiles.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/victory-in-texas-mcgibney-owes-big-in-court-sanctions/
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Just like we want to see proof of what TMZ wrote about Jon's million dollar judgement, I'll ask, is there proof of the above?

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Yes, there is. But you'll have to wade through https://viaviewfiles.wordpress.com/ to see the actual court documents.

PJ

Unknown said...

Sue_Buddy said... 200
''Remona Blue said... 189
''McGibney is on the hook for $200,000 in their attorney fees and $1 million in court sanctions for violating the law in Texas.''

https://viaviewfiles.wordpress.com/2014/12/11/victory-in-texas-mcgibney-owes-big-in-court-sanctions/
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''Just like we want to see proof of what TMZ wrote about Jon's million dollar judgement, I'll ask, is there proof of the above?''
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SueBuddy, did you read the information at the link above? If so, why are you asking me for ''proof''? If you didn't read the topic then do, and you will have all the information and you can decide if it is ''proof'' enough for you.

Anonymous said...

OT

Just watched Shankshaw... again. .what a great movie, thank you all for reminding me. Tim Robbins rules!!!

I needed a break since dd informed me this morning, since I am a graphic artist that she volunteered to edit a movie for her college project, since she knew I could help.

OK. So I spent the day going through movie making apps, how they work, etc, without any video or actual idea what she needed. 3 in-depth app searches later I finally downloaded one I could trust, did the tutorials, only for the camcorder she provided me to not work.

YAY! Decided a keg of rumspringa was in order..until take 2 of video due Tuesday, and DD has to work tomorrow.

Yes, KK, my dd goes to college and works her way though, there are only 2 of us, but we work together and will get through it.

no grifting anything, we work and pay our way

franky

fidosmommy said...

Rather than move into a series of jobs that are short term, Jon is supposed to sit and wait for that perfect job with a 401k and a corner office to come to his attention? I'm glad to see he took a J.O.B. of any kind to pay his way.

Where is Kate's application for McDonald's? The sheeple supported her "do what you gotta do" attitude when she swore she'd flip burgers if necessary. Jon has been figuratively flipping burgers to get a paycheck.
The kids don't need both their parents to be "set" with a big paycheck and stock portfolios. But they do need at least one parent who is emotionally there for them and who supports them in ways money can't buy. Jon is, hands down, that parent to the G kids, IMO.

I said years ago that I was on Jon's team and that has not changed. I think he might have been involved in some whistleblowing with this company, and if so, I applaud him and think even more highly of him.

Anonymous said...

OT

-22 C here with a windchill you do not even want to know., winds are blowing hard...hold on everyone!

franky

Sue_Buddy said...

Remona Blue said... 3

SueBuddy, did you read the information at the link above? If so, why are you asking me for ''proof''? If you didn't read the topic then do, and you will have all the information and you can decide if it is ''proof'' enough for you.
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Well, sort of. I'd need an attorney sitting right here next to me to explain everything stated in those documents.

I did read VII. Conclusion where it states Rauhauser

"has failed to meet his 27.005(b) burden to obtain dismissal under the TCPA of those claims. We remand this case to the trial court to enter an order of dismissal in accordance with this opinion and for further proceedings related to Rauhauser's court costs, attorney fees, expenses and sanctions under section 27.009(a)(1) and (2) of the TCPA."

Can you explain to me what that means? In my limited knowledge re the law it sounds to me like the above paragraph contradicts the headline in the article with the URL you posted and the decision has to made by the trial court.


Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
I know that lawsuits can be costly and many times it's not worth the time, energy or money that you put into them. However, if I were Jon, this is one time I really would consider suing for libel. The header on the TMZ story, "Jon Gosselin Socked with $1 MILLION Judgment
He's a Scanner Scammer!" sounds like he was found guilty in a court of law when, in fact, the plaintiffs won by default. The case was never heard and there was no defense presented.
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I don't see a problem with what TMZ reported. The article did say the following: "So Jon was a sales manager who was supposed to go out in the field and hawk the product. Instead, Securus claims he was a Benedict Arnold, convincing merchants to abandon the company for a competing company he was secretly helping.
Securus sued Jon and he didn't respond, so the judge entered a default judgment for more than a million bucks".

The article clearly says a default was entered because of a no show. I don't link this article was unfair reporting.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
All of this judgement talk against Jon makes me sad and mad. I really like Jon and to this day wish him the best. But he seems to make so many bad decisions with bad outcomes.

He wasted so much money during his "good ole times" during their seperation. He spend a lot on expensive cars and an expensive apt. in New York. Remember Ed Hardy was going to go into to business with Jon using his kids as their models. Jon said this in an interviw one time. And I believe that is why he wasn't interested in filming any more. He didn't care about the filming money because he thought he was going to make a deal using his kids with Hardy. He saw that as his big ticket. I wish I could find Jon's interview about this. And that is why I think he blew through his money while seperated. I think he wanted to stop filming because he hated the paps invading on his privacy. And he hated the idenity of "Jon Plus 8". Do not confuse this with I think he hated his kids. He even said this himself. And no doubt he 100% loves his kids. And he probably did not think the cameras were good for them. But no doubt his plans were to continue to use his kids promoting Hardy goods. And he thought he was going to make millions from this.

He is a smart guy that had a bad ground in IT. I wish he would have taken his divorce money and went back to college and got a degree in something. He could have started this degree back in 2008 when he was still married. Then he would have had a much better chance at a career with sustainability and longevity. He was in his early thirties when he was divorced with eight kids to support. It is sad all of his career hopping in low paying jobs that don't have much promise. And his reputation is just shot in the majority of the public. He is still young and needs to get a life coach or career counseling. And he needs to start paying some child support even if it is a few hundred a month if he is not.

And the worst Jon looks with his bad repeated decisions, the better Kate looks by default. She is now seen as being a great single mother who provides very well for her 8 kids even though she had a deadbeat father who pays no child support. I am not saying that is true. But I think that is the perception the majority of the country has about the Gosselins.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Remona Blue. Your link went even deeper than mine.

PJ

Anonymous said...

Sue Buddy sorta said...

I did read VII. Conclusion where it states Rauhauser

"has failed to meet his 27.005(b) burden to obtain dismissal under the TCPA of those claims. We remand this case to the trial court to enter an order of dismissal in accordance with this opinion and for further proceedings related to Rauhauser's court costs, attorney fees, expenses and sanctions under section 27.009(a)(1) and (2) of the TCPA."

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I'm pretty sure the motion for dismissal was filed by BV and crew when they saw that NR and TR fought back and were going to show up in court. The court denied BV the motion to dismiss and that sanctions were pretty much guaranteed under TX law.

At least that's what I got out of the docs and the comments on the blog by the Admins of that blog. Of course, I could be way wrong. I'm just a casual observer of that whole mess.

PJ

Anonymous said...

BTW, Admin and anyone else here who practices law: Congratulations. That stuff would make my eyes bleed. I don't know how you do it.

franky, I'm glad you're having such balmy weather. -27 here. Windchill? -40

PJ

Tucker's Mom said...

I said years ago that I was on Jon's team and that has not changed. I think he might have been involved in some whistleblowing with this company, and if so, I applaud him and think even more highly of him.
*****
That would be an audacious strategy for Securus. Bold, yet reckless.

reader said...

Have to ask what dd and dh are short for; I see them here a lot.
Franky, what a great story! From your posts here I suspected you have a creative side. Very cool.
And even better to know you and your college age daughter can work so closely together. Good stuff.

Formerly Duped said...

dd= dear daughter

ds=dear son

dh= dear husband

sil= son-in-law etc.

Mainly useful for a shortcut in typing all that out! I know they annoy some ppl, lol. Sorry. (I love your posts, reader, so I'm glad you've stuck around! :)

TLC stinks said...

http://www.realitytvworld.com/news/jon-%26-kate-jon-gosselin-launching-kids-clothing-line-with-girlfriend-9262.php

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

This was one of the tabloid stories regarding Jon and Hailey working on a clothing deal with Ed Hardy and specifically the kids also modeling a children's clothing line. ITA with the poster who stated that Jon did most likely realize that filming was not good for the kids, but he still was going to make big bucks after the divorce using those kids. Yes, a stupid decision.

At least what I've read about him, was someone who was indulged by his father and was drifting along in life. To her credit, I believe Kate realized Jon was not going to be a good provider and she hatched her plan to market the multiples to bring in the money. Personally, I like Jon but he and Kate are both guilty of marketing those kids.

As far as that judgement for the $1 million, I suppose I could give Jon the benefit of the doubt like others on this blog, but get real. This guy just keeps changing jobs. He simply does not have a work ethic. I know he loves his kids and is wonderful with them, but I have long felt he sold them out to Kate after the divorce. I think he is perfectly satisfied with whatever arrangement he has forged with Kate.

capecodmama said...

franky...stay warm

Formerly duped...are you hanging in there?

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Here is another article confirming that a deal has been signed to have the Gosselin kids model their clothes. This was dated July 2009. Below is part of the article.

"A kid's collection of clothes designed by Gosselin, Glassman and Audigier is going ahead and is slated to be in stores in the U.S. by the end of August.

"It should be [happening]," the Frenchman told E! News Tuesday.
Audigier's rep, David Weintraub, told E! News, "If Christian told you directly, then that's exactly what he's doing."

http://www.eonline.com/news/134045/jon-gosselin-s-clothing-line-ladylove-still-on

Just think if Jon had used that $60,000 on a down payment on a home near his kids instead of $5,000 per month on a New York rental for a year. He would have still have the home and all rent he has paid since 2010 could have gone to pay off this house.

Formerly Duped said...

I agree Jon loves the kids. He has used the excuse that he had no time to be young and free, as he was a father to 8 in his 20's. Well, he made that choice when he was suckered in by the charms of Katie Irene back when. He owes the kids to do the best he can in developing a stable career that can provide for them, as well as a suitable home, so if they want to leave Kate's, as Leah does, they can feasibly do so.It's not so long before some of the kids are of the age to do so; there is time to get his act together. All the talk about removing the children from Kate's custody came to nothing before; I truly hope he can salvage a rotten situation for his kids and for himself.
I wish him all the luck in the world but he needs to dig deep and work hard.

JMO said...

TLC stinks said... 16
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Thanks for the link! You are excellent at find historical data. If I recall correctly, Jon was fired from his first job (before tups were born), for doing work on the J &K website. He claimed he was fired as his employer would not provide medical benefits, which was the cause of him no longer working there. His employer said he was fired for working on his personal website during work hours.

After the tups were born, He was offered an IT job by the governor of PA, and although it was far away, it get Jon a regular source of income, paid holidays, retirement fund, and some stability. Still don't understand why he quit, unless Kate pressure him, as she was stuck with the 6 kids all day. Does anyway know the reason why he quit this job? Granted, he would not have made a ton of money but would have a steady income with benefits. Why could they not move closer to his job, since they indeed did move frequently in the first 8 years.Just wondering why that did not work out, if anyone knows.

Job with Solar Panels - maybe not enough work. Job as a waiter at 2 restaurants- "allegedly" not showing up and was fired.

Now he has recently become a DJ and not sure of the "housing issues "with having kids over." He seems a bit lost to me, and hope he can settle into a job that will sustain him, and allow his to spend time with his kids (and not saying that he isn't).

Granted he has worked without using the kids, but at his age, needs to get a job that will sustain him. This does NOT mean I approve of TFW and her choices/behavior at all. I have stated my opinion of her many times on the blog.

How long do the tups have to go until "college"? I know they were kept back by TFW so I am guessing 9 more years for the tups to finish high school . God help them!

I am not a Jon hater, or a sheeple, but some of his choices have not been that great. I think he is more well rounded in terms of dealing with his children, but some of his "flighty" factors and choices bothers me from time to time. Please do not crucify me as this is JMO.

JMO said...

Formerly Duped said... 19
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Thanks ! Stated much better than what I posted.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Fidosmommy said "Rather than move into a series of jobs that are short term, Jon is supposed to sit and wait for that perfect job with a 401k and a corner office to come to his attention? I'm glad to see he took a J.O.B. of any kind to pay his way."
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I am for Jon too but he got divorced when he was about 31. It has been around five years since. I appaud him for working hard. But he should decide what career path he wants to follow and then pursue that path. And again, why not get a college degree. He is a smart guy. Or why not go to technical school and learn a trade. He is getting too old to just grab any job in any field of work. He needs to stay on a path and follow it. And if he has to start at the bottom of the chain in his chosen field then so be it. But what I find fault with is he has not yet chosen a field of work that can sustain him for the few decades.

And if he is not paying any support other than when the kids are with him, then I think he needs to start paying some more money towards this. Maybe instead of paying Kate the money, he could directly pay for an expense the kids have. And maybe he is already doing this. I don't know. Buit a father needs to support his kids. And I think that support should be more than just the food, gas, beds, and entertainment expenses of when the kids are with him.

Winsomeone said...

"I am not a Jon hater, or a sheeple, but some of his choices have not been that great. I think he is more well rounded in terms of dealing with his children, but some of his "flighty" factors and choices bothers me from time to time. Please do not crucify me as this is JMO."

Couldn't agree with you more. His present behavior is so often blamed on his bad marriage to Kate. But, wasn't he a college drop out, and then back packed all over Europe, and then hit the sky trails heavily after that? Or are those just rumors? I doubt he even had a job when he and Kate married..if he did, I don't think it's been mentioned any where? I think Jon has never had much get up and go as far as working, or finishing anything. He did finish the 6 month IT course, but other than that, what else has he ever stuck with long term? That is just how he always was..can't blame Kate for that. He came from a wealthy family, and had opportunities to make something of him self that many others don't have. He was what he was, before Kate ever arrived in his life.

Anonymous said...

I'm on Jon's side, I do believe he is the loving parent and the children are lucky to have him in their life. I have always wondered however why he didn't stick with that IT job with the state government, complete with a steady salary and many benefits. That sounds like the kind of job many people would think of as the "jackpot".

bm

angie said...

If I remember correctly, it was JON that set up the kid's trust fund..with 80% of the money, right?
He also let Kate have the van, the house and all the furnishings. All he left with was the shirt on his back and a pittance of what they had earned from TLC. (seems that most of his earnings were put in a special account to pay Kate $20000 a MONTH for tax free child support).

It may be that the KIDS trust fund is paying for their schooling, health and dental expenses, clothing, etc. It could even be paying for the house and all its expenses.

If this is true, Jon pays more for the kids upkeep than Kate does.

Who knows what's going on, but I bet the kids are paying the most, Jon next and Kate last.

Sue_Buddy said...

Anonymous said... 11 (PJ)

I'm pretty sure the motion for dismissal was filed by BV and crew when they saw that NR and TR fought back and were going to show up in court. The court denied BV the motion to dismiss and that sanctions were pretty much guaranteed under TX law.
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That's not stated in the Dec. 11, 2015 court of appeals opinion. Some of Rauhauer's requests were sustain and some were not. His fifth issue,
"requesting that the court render judgement for him for costs, attorney's fees, expenses incurred and sanctions" was overruled.

It was overruled because, "Rauhauser has failed to meet his section 27.005(b) burden to obtain dismissal under the TCPA of those claims."

(See top page 25)

fidosmommy said...

http://www.eonline.com/news/134045/jon-gosselin-s-clothing-line-ladylove-still-on

Did I miss something? Where does this article say the Gosselin kids would be the ones modeling these children's clothes? While that would be the easy way to go, this Ed Hardy fascination came right on the heels of Jon doing everything he could to give his children the privacy they deserve. I don't see the irony or any disconnect here. Designing clothes for children is not tantamount to having your children model those clothes in ads and on runways.

Did I miss another article?

TLC stinks said...

If Jon were my son, I would be concerned about his choices and lack of direction. My actual son and daughter, younger than Jon, are well established in their careers. I doubt the DJ gigs are long term for him.
He will not make much money either.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
JMO asked, "Does anyway know the reason why he quit this job?"
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Well, nobody knows for certain. But I say it was so they could film non-stop. They filmed many, many episodes during the first several seasons of Jon & Kate Plus 8. The film company admitted they film up to three days a week. I think it was much more. If Jon had stayed at the 9 to 5 job, five days a week, they could not have filmed nearly as much. And his commute was very long too. If you think about all the episodes, Jon was in basically all of them when they were in their old home. I think one episode had him driving away to go to work.

And remember they would go away a lot on weekends during this time for paid speaking engagements at churches. So if Jon was working all week long and also speaking in another state during the weekends, there would have been no time for filming.

And I bet Kate pressured him to quit because she also wanted him home all day to tend to the kids. And of course she wanted him home so they could go places during the week to their film tv show.

Simply put, they could make tons more money filming and speaking on weekends instead of him working 9 to 5. And I think that was a mistake. Jon should have never given up that job. He should have told Kate, "NO" and just filmed on weekends. A man needs a career to feel good about himself. And both he and Kate should have realized filming was not going to be forever.

Tucker's Mom said...

Anonymous said... 9
(Leslie)
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Agree with you 100%. It doesn't make us Jon "haters", and I do think he's a good parent.
But, the dichotomy between Jon and Kate does nothing but strengthen, as far as public perception is concerned.
Kate gets tv gigs and films (the crap out of) her kids and makes bank writ large, while Jon is installing solar panels here, being a server there and loses the only decent, child-supporting dwelling he's occupied since the divorce.
Jon is sleeping around (yes, a couple longer-term monogamous relationships) while Kate reinvents herself as The Virgin Queen.

Kate is masterful at spinning press.

Formerly Duped said...

capecodmama said... 17
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Thanks, barely! There is just so much snow, it's hard to shovel, having to toss it way over your head. My dog is annoyed she only has a small patch and alley to use as a restroom. Blizzard conditions continue as more heavy snow and gusty winds, arctic temps resume. How about you?


JMO:
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Thanks. I agree with what you posted , too. You have to like Jon but he is not without fault or responsibility in all this.He has a history of job hopping but now is the time to buckle down. Time's a tickin' for the kids.

angie said...

My thoughts:

Jon wasn't able to support his family at any time. His dad bought their first house, helped with bills, and Kate was the queen of begging. They begged for their bills to be paid, they had medicaid for their children and free nurse for a yr.
Jon quit his state job because of the filming schedule and Kate being gone all the time.
TLC supported this family for years...with clothing, medical expenses, gifts, trips, appliances, food, etc.

Jon never fully supported his family ever. I know that sounds harsh,but without sufficient education how is a man supposed to support a family of 10? impossible, especially if you're married to someone like Kate. She quit her job, remember?

So fast forward a few yrs. Jon is sick of his kids being filmed almost 24/7, so he hangs a sign on the palace gate saying no more filming. TLC mans up with attys and strangles any opportunity he wants to do on his OWN in the media world so he can support his family (tlc contract).
So there he is....can't work in media to profit off his celebrity due to a contract. What's a man supposed to do, his IT credibility was questioned by Kate and her attys (hmm..stealing a computer from the trash?)...also, Jon had been out of IT work for several yrs.....

So there he was...TLC stopped him from working (wasn't he going to do a commercial?), his IT credentials were compromised, he had no college education, and the freebies finally stopped.

If he never supported his family on his own ever, how is he supposed to do it now?
It's my opinion that TLC showed no mercy-they set out to destroy him and they succeeded...and with Kate's 100% approval.

JMO said...

Anonymous said... 30
(Leslie)
JMO asked, "Does anyway know the reason why he quit this job?"
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Thanks Leslie! I agree that some poor choices were made for the sake of filming and helping TFW, without either of them having a clue how the TLC arrangement would work out.

There was a very brief mention of Jon quitting his IT state job, but I honestly believe this was the beginning of the end. As TFW wanted to film, film film, and travel for book signings, appearances, etc... (the list goes on). And coerced him to quit his IT job, to watch the kids full time. Who knows, but she chose that traveling lifestyle, and he did
not, so who knows what was said to him about quitting his job. He should have said NO as she was "packaging" her brand for unending travel for TFW was NOT a great idea.

Formerly Duped said...

...and the job with Bob Carson obviously fell through. That was when Jon's 'office' was inside an open closet with a mirror so Kate could keep tabs on him. I found that very weird!

NJGal51 said...

Well I guess since Kate is going to film the hell out of the kids until they say ENOUGH, Jon might as well team up with her again and that way all of the sheep will be satisfied that he's got a job again. I mean how can they object to Jon joining forces with Kate to film again - oh right, they'd say he's just doing it to make money off his kids while Kate's doing it to support them.

Jon has made poor choices I. Life and Jon does need to grow up. However, he does seem to love his kids and shows it much more than TFW.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
If I remember correctly, it was JON that set up the kid's trust fund..with 80% of the money, right? Angie, where did you hear that?

I will say this. It kills me when Kate says she supports the kids. The kids are really the ones supporting themselves. Does Kate really think having herself sit on a couch and running her mouth about stupid things is her "working" to support her kids. Does Kate think her going on beautiful vacations is her "working" for her kids. Does Kate think her cooking, shopping, and throwing parties is her "working" for her kids. That is a joke. And that pisses me off. The kids have always supported themselves. And the kids will put themselves through college too. They will probably all pay for their own weddings too.

And Angie said, "He also let Kate have the van, the house and all the furnishings." I don't think that is correct. Jon didn't let Kate have anything. I am certain the court divided everything up even. Jon probably got the cash for his part of the equity from the house. The money Jon got (or a portion of it) from the divorce was put into a special fund to pay Kate $20,000 per month in child support. And this was at the time Kate was earning big money from DWTS and Kate Plus 8 was starting that summer. Also Twist of Kate was suppose to start then too. Remember that show was announced on DWTS. I think one of the worst things Kate ever did was to go on the View during the time she was on DWTS and lie about Jon not paying support. Because we know from Jon's attorney on Nancy Grace about this $20,000 a month in child support. I think it was Joy that point blank asked Kate if Jon was paying child support and Kate gave a look and I think silence for that answer. Anyway, if you look at the clip, Kate was 100% implying hell no he does not pay. Shame on her. Remember she was being interviewed by every show and magazine during this time and her claim was she HAD to do DWTS to support her kids. What a freaking lie. She had millions in the bank. And she was going to be earning two huge paychecks for two tv shows that were to air very soon then-- Kate Plus 8 and Twist of Kate.

Formerly Duped said...

angie: yes, I agree with all that. But Jon can NOW get himself the credentials to work in an occupation that can support the kids and himself. He can go to school, get experience etc but he must act now.
He has life experience and should be able to figure out what career he wants to strive toward.Many people switch careers mid-life or women in their 40's start out for the fist time with a divorce or spousal death .

I have a friend who switched to real estate from an early career in insurance to be able to set her own hours, when she was in her 40s, with the break-up of her marriage and many years at home with kids.
She's doing great and her girls are in college now.

Ex Nurse said...

This website describes the sales position as being a "sales partner"--not an employee. So, this is an independent contractor position, in which every salesperson has their own company. There is a button that says "Sales Ethics". The second item on the list states that sales partners may not sell any product or service that is not offered by Securus, without written permission. So, there is clearly an agreement of exclusivity, meaning, that they will not rep for a competing product. I was contacted by a similar company because of some certifications I have in installation of software and support. The description of the service and the commission structure was very similar--as a matter of fact, I am wondering if it was a rep for that company using a "private label". He was contacting people with that certification because we work with retail clients installing accounting software, so this would be a natural addition to what we do. So this, I am guessing,would be an instance in which a company would give approval to market another service because it does not compete, and installing the software brings the potential customer in--in essence, I have generated the lead.

According to their website, Securus provides leads to the sales partners. So, what it sounds like MAY have happened is that Jon used leads generated by the company and sold, or attempted to sell, potential clients a competing product.

If Jon generates his own leads, then they may not have had a case against him, or, at least a weaker case, since independent contractors typically work for multiple companies, and are not under the same types of controls as an employee would be. As a matter of fact, Securus might be shooting themselves in the foot, because demanding exclusivity calls into question whether the sales partners are, essentially, employees--this would have serious legal implications. And, just to make it all more confusing, on the "become a sales partner" tab, there is a bullet point that says that there is no exclusivity clause. So, that argument might have had some traction, given that the company itself doesn't seem to know whether there is an exclusivity clause. Can this judgement be appealed?

I have a very hard time seeing how ignoring the summons is any kind of a strategy, unless he actually did what he was accused of and had no defense. Even if Pennsylvania doesn't garnish wages, Securus can seize current and future assets.

I do think that Securus is playing fast and loose with whether the sales partners should be classified as employees. They provide leads, training and support to supposedly independent businesses. And that statement that says that there is no exclusivity clause, when they just sued someone for selling a competing product is puzzling.

As an independent contractor, Jon could have left at any time, if he thought he was being screwed over. If he wanted to be a whistleblower, he could have notified the IRS and state agencies that he was being treated as an employee, not a contractor. Willfully violating a contract isn't an act of defiance against an oppressor--it is immature, the rules don't apply to me, behavior.
It isn't like he was bringing down the tobacco industry or a cancer-causing polluter, for god's sake!

http://www.securusagents.com/includes/php/join_us/index.php

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Angie, I strongly agree with your comments in #33. But I don't understand this, "If he never supported his family on his own ever, how is he supposed to do it now?" It has been years that TLC came after him. And you know what, I think it was terrible to go after Jon when they were a huge company and Jon was just a father of 8 kids. BUT Jon did break a contract. Jon admits he broke the contract.

But it is time for Jon to move forward. He can't use that as an excuse not to get on a career path. I think it was stated TLC did pay Jon $5,000 per month when Kate Plus 8 first started up. This was stated by his attorney on the Nancy Grace show. Jon has had numerous breaks in the fact that he did earn a hell of of lot of money from TLC and he blew most of it on stupid stuff: expensive clothes, several expensive cars, trips to Utah, $60,000 in rent for NY apartment (per his other attorney Heller). That is where his TLC and divorce settlement went. It is his fault. He needs to focus and move forward NOW. And luckily he does not need an income to support his 8 kids because TLC is supporting them. But he needs to become a role model for his kids and stop all of his foolishness with dating mutilple women, the job hopping, and the excessive moving). And stop all that excessive cursing (Phil. article and Couples Therapy) are good examples.

JMO said...

Anonymous said... 40
(Leslie)

I agree, well said!

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Here is proof from Christian Audigier himself saying the Gosselin kids were going to be the models for his clothing line. And comon sense says this to be true. Why else would Christian partner up with Jon and Hailey. They have zero experience in designing a children's clothing line. He was partnering up with Jon Gosselin because of his kids being so popular and having their own tv show.

Also I know I saw a clip of Jon stating that his kids were going to be modeling this clothing line. I am looking for the clip but can't seem to find it.

capecodmama said...

Formerly Duped...we're doing ok. Lots of snow but right now it's the wind. We're on the north side of the upper Cape and our coastline is getting hammered. Lots of erosion.

If I remember correctly, when Jon quit his job on J&K+8, TFW said she needed him at home. Jon didn't want to not work. That's when TFW said "our job is our life". IMO that's when everything started the downward spiral.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
I cannot believe how stupid Jon would have been to have gotten a contract with Christian to design children's clothes and THEN have Hailey, his 22 year old girlfriend, also on the contract. This is how it was stated when Christian said the clothing line was a sure thing. Hailey was included in this. And get this, Jon had Hailey meet with their shoe designers because she wanted to start her own shoe line.

Come on Jon, I am floored that he would have brought Hailey into this very important family decision. He barely knew her. She was 22 years old. It was going to be HIS family modeling the kids clothes.

This is just another example of Jon's very poor decision making. He is always quick to make decisions without looking to the future. He is only in the moment and that is that. Can you imagne how that would have turned out with Hailey involved in their family business of designing kids clothes. Their relationship was very short lived and turned out terribly. Heck, she called the cops on him saying he broke into her apartment. Then she claimed he owed her a huge sum of money. Then she recently posted false phone texts claiming he stole the disks for Robert. Holy cow, it was a blessing that deal with Christian fell through. It had diaster written all over it.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie) #42
Sorry, I forgot to post the clip. Read at the bottom of article.

http://www.imnotobsessed.com/2009/07/13/jon-gosselins-girlfriend-haley-glassmans-mugshot/

PA Dutch Mom said...

He simply does not have a work ethic.

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I realize that's your opinion, but that absolutely is not true.

"I'm pretty sure the motion for dismissal was filed by BV and crew when they saw that NR and TR fought back and were going to show up in court. The court denied BV the motion to dismiss and that sanctions were pretty much guaranteed under TX law."

These initials drive me crazy. Who are NR and TR?

We're having the coldest Feb. 15 in 101 years. Windchill last night was minus 25. Today we've warmed up to a balmy 9 degrees, with a windchill of minus 14. Time to break out the shorts and sandals! I think a hot rumspringa might be in order. This is insane.

Tucker's Mom said...

angie said... 26
If I remember correctly, it was JON that set up the kid's trust fund..with 80% of the money, right?
He also let Kate have the van, the house and all the furnishings. All he left with was the shirt on his back and a pittance of what they had earned from TLC. (seems that most of his earnings were put in a special account to pay Kate $20000 a MONTH for tax free child support).
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J+K have both claimed to have funded the kids' funds.
I've read that 20K a month child support, but it seems ridiculously high.
Not that it didn't happen- I think Jon might have stated this himself, but omg, why such a horrendously horrendous huge amount?

Exterior Designer said...

When Jon was on The View he stated he took 80% of his divorce settlement and put it in a trust for the kids. It was the same interview in which Babs asked the totally inappropriate "Do you support your kids?". There was some debate here whether it was 8% or 80% because it was hard to hear his answer because one of the panelists off camera was talking over him.

PA Dutch Mom said...

So, that argument might have had some traction, given that the company itself doesn't seem to know whether there is an exclusivity clause. Can this judgement be appealed?

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I haven't seen any docs on this. It depends when the order was handed down. He would have 30 days from that time to file and appeal.

Tucker's Mom said...

Designing clothes for children is not tantamount to having your children model those clothes in ads and on runways.

Did I miss another article?
*****
IIRC, the kids would have been involved, and thus, Jon said they would be set for life, or a long time, if the deal went through.
I believe they would have been involved in promoting/modeling, maybe even "input".
WTF Hailey would have been able to contribute to a kids line of clothing, other than being as close in age to the twins as she is to Jon, I do not know.

getofftwitter said...

Bet, Kate is already in NYC, for tomorrow. God forbid Kate miss a TV appearance, cause of the weather. After all her career is more important than her kids.

I swear, Kate is using Mommie Dearest as a parental guide. The similarities, are too similar. Scary/weird!

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
I've read that 20K a month child support, but it seems ridiculously high.
Not that it didn't happen- I think Jon might have stated this himself, but omg, why such a horrendously horrendous huge amount?
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I think they must have based this on the income that they earned the past few years since they seperated. It was mult-millions. But Jon's attorney said on Nancy Grace's show that yes, this money was put in a child support fund at the time of the divorce, but he also said that the money wasn't going to last that long (or something along those lines). So we don't know how many months or years Jon did pay the $20,000 per month. I guess it was until that fund was empty. Then he went to court to have it modified to his current salary at that time. I have always wondered what that total amount of those $20,000 a month payments added up to. I would love to know that. And the media never talks about that money, they only talk about about him being a deadbeat father. It is very sad.

getofftwitter said...

If I remember, Jon was paying $24,000 a month, Jon was also still under contract with TLC, Jon went back to court, and between TLC & the divorce court, that CS support was brought down to $20,000, Jon kept $4000, and TLC gave the rest directly to Kate. When Jons TLC contract finally was over, his CS was greatly reduced.

NJGal51 said...

Leslie said - Come on Jon, I am floored that he would have brought Hailey into this very important family decision. He barely knew her. She was 22 years old. It was going to be HIS family modeling the kids clothes.
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Sorry if this sounds crass, but he was thinking with his dick which is why he brought Hailey in to the equation. He thought he could trade on his celebrity and probably could have if TLC hadn't shut him down. I don't give him a pass for the poor decisions he's made but why such a hard on for Jon lately?

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Tucker's Mom, sorry I forgot to post the article stating the kids were going to be models. See my comment # 45 for the link.

Tucker's Mom said...

Anonymous said... 30
(Leslie)
JMO asked, "Does anyway know the reason why he quit this job?"
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Well, nobody knows for certain. But I say it was so they could film non-stop
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Agree- I think the decision was mutual, and they were giddy at the prospect of getting more and more filming prospects from TLC.
I think the fact is that we, the viewers (at the time, me included) were unaware of just how much traction J+K+8 was getting, nor how much revenue was coming in by the buckets-full, especially when Discovery picked them up.
So, we were believing, as we watched in delayed time, that J+K were really struggling on every level, when in fact, they weren't.
The viewers were introduced to the notion of Jon quitting his job, via the show, to "boil the frog" as it were, and have viewers come to accept and believe that somehow, Jon could quit his job and that he and Kate's lifestyle wasn't drastically changing.

We were played. Anyone still watching still is.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
I don't give him a pass for the poor decisions he's made but why such a hard on for Jon lately?
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NJGal, are you asking me this. All my comments do not imply I have a hard on for Jon. By that I assume that I am sweet for him. My comments have basically stated he needs to grow up and get on a career path. I don't understand your question.

Ingrid said...

I think Jon is looking for the easy money and fun times. He got spoiled by dad and by TLC. It is a shame because I liked him. He could be doing so much better.
My son age 36 lives in a city of 20K in the midwest with not as many big city opportunities as PA would have. He has worked his way up through computer type jobs in the last 10 years to where he is now working for a company that handles training type software world wide. His title is Software Architect. The company handles companies as big as Amazon and Walmart. He was chosen this year as one of a group of top performers and is leaving for a vacation in ARUBA this week! He travels often for work but he works right out of his home otherwise. He has a real comfortable income for his area and is working at learning the business well so he can move into management eventually. I would expect he will be over 100K in a couple years. Not a shabby income for just a kid who grew up in a 500 person town who liked computers.

capecodmama said...

Ok, now another storm is coming through on Tuesday and dumping another 6" plus. I'm officially waving the white flag. Quoting TFW, "I'm done".

JoyinVirginia said...

Random thoughts:
way back on post 200, Rhythm of life pointed out that in her area many teens shop at thrift stores. True in my area as well, thrift stores are frequented by teens and college students on a budget and looking for creative ways of showing their own style.
About careers, it's never too late to learn a new skill or try a new career path. Good friend is getting ready to retire from Teaching. This is his third or fourth career. He did banking, then insurance, then spent a few years as a peace corps volunteer after his children were grown, then started teaching. He is in his seventies and he retired twice before, then got bored and started something new. He is actually thinking about another peace Corp assignment, after he takes a few months off. Switching gears and careers is not that unusual anymore.
Another friend left a career in the business world to go to work for Parks and Recreation after retirement the first time. She has developed a career at an age when most people retire, in teaching people how to get outside and enjoy themselves and stay active and healthy and have adventures. It's never too late to make a change.

Tucker's Mom said...

So there he was...TLC stopped him from working (wasn't he going to do a commercial?), his IT credentials were compromised, he had no college education, and the freebies finally stopped.
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I have to disagree that Jon's IT credentials were compromised in and real, palpable sense.
His wife accused, sued and lost/dropped it.
It's done and over, and the fact is, that lawsuit and entire ridiculous kerfuffle came years after the marriage was over.

I just don't believe that if Jon went back to school and earned a degree, that an employer could, or would, have such a bias against him.

It's Jon track record in toto that he's cultivated, that hurts him.

IMO ;-)

Beth said...

When Jon was 6 he pulled a girl's hair. When he was 10 he stole a matchbox car. When he was 15 he got drunk. Let's crucify him now for past "crimes." The more we talk about Jon, the less we talk about the lying, child-beating, animal-abusing, husband-stealing, race-cheating, laughing- at-miscarriages, ingrate-daughter, bad-friend, inauthentic employee ---WITCH!!!

Anonymous said...

PA Dutch Mom said... 46

These initials drive me crazy. Who are NR and TR?

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My apologies, but the initials above belong to the private citizens who were sued by BV and I will not repeat them here. If you read the court docs at viaview.blogspot.com, their full names are there in those documents.

PJ (and no, I'm not telling you what that stands for ;)

JoyinVirginia said...

Cape Cod mama, no one can see your white flag against all that snow! I did watch weather channel this am and saw Jim Cantore get all excited about the thunder snow! He's in Plymouth.
You know the storm has gone on too long when most of the weather channel reporterd look like they are sick of it too! I think Cantore is the only one still excited.

AuntieAnn said...

NJGal51 said... 54

Sorry if this sounds crass, but he was thinking with his dick which is why he brought Hailey in to the equation. He thought he could trade on his celebrity and probably could have if TLC hadn't shut him down. I don't give him a pass for the poor decisions he's made but why such a hard on for Jon lately?

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lol! NJGal. I keep wondering why the hammer is coming down so hard on him too. He's not using his kids to get a job anymore. That t-shirt fiasco was five years ago.

And so what if TMZ got wind of his involvement with some unethical company that jerks people around. By the sound of it he was doing the right thing by steering potential buyers away from their business.

Meanwhile back at the ranch Kate's still riding piggyback on her kids to live her lavish lifestyle. I don't care if Jon joins the circus and becomes a trapeze artist, at least he's no longer the parasite that Kate is.

By all accounts the kids are looked after financially. I think he took part in arranging that so that greedy wench can't touch the college funds. And the law has made sure a percentage of any money made now from filming them has to be put away for them.

I think he's done what he can do for his kids seeing as though he has the ex-wife from hell who is doing all she can to alienate his kids from him.

Anonymous said...

Beth said... 62
When Jon was 6 he pulled a girl's hair. When he was 10 he stole a matchbox car. When he was 15 he got drunk. Let's crucify him now for past "crimes." The more we talk about Jon, the less we talk about the lying, child-beating, animal-abusing, husband-stealing, race-cheating, laughing- at-miscarriages, ingrate-daughter, bad-friend, inauthentic employee ---WITCH!!!

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I agree with you, up to a point but we can't be like the sheeple and not acknowledge that Jon has made some dubious decisions.

Bottom line for me? He doesn't abuse his kids and she does. He's nice, she's not.

PJ

Rainbirdie said...

Beth said... 62
The more we talk about Jon, the less we talk about the lying, child-beating, animal-abusing, husband-stealing, race-cheating, laughing- at-miscarriages, ingrate-daughter, bad-friend, inauthentic employee ---WITCH!!!
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I agree. As long as Jon isn't using his children to further a celebrity career, I couldn't care less about how he is currently living his mediocre life. Same with BV files. Neither topic has anything to do with Kate's current exploitation of her children.

Rhymes with Witch said...

I agree with you, up to a point but we can't be like the sheeple and not acknowledge that Jon has made some dubious decisions.
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I'm not disagreeing, but we've acknowledged his poor judgments and missteps many times over the years. Why the current pile on?

On a separate note, I'm very concerned about Shoka.

Formerly Duped said...

capecodmama said... 59

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I hear you! We got 16+ inches but with all the blowing of drifts, it's more like 20+ and wind chill advisory here. It's just impossible to keep up with digging out. And the window-frames in my bedroom are leaking!!! I've had enough of this and normally I love winter. It's especially hard with my dog's situation.

Hope everyone affected by Storm Neptune and the previous storms, which left us with 4 ft+ of snow, is safe and warm.

capecodmama said...

Joy...I'm standing on a very tall snowbank. Can you see me now? Good news...the suns out.

PA Dutch Mom said...

My apologies, but the initials above belong to the private citizens who were sued by BV and I will not repeat them here. If you read the court docs at viaview.blogspot.com, their full names are there in those documents

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But you are putting out their initials, which seems kind of nebulous. I went to the site and I still don't know who those people are, or why they are/were being sued by BV or why it's being discussed here if they are to be anonymous on this blog. Does this have anything to do with Kate, the Kate haters and that class action lawsuit?

Speaking of which, how is that thing coming along? Was it ever filed, was anyone ever served, and are there court documents of the complaint?

"Ok, now another storm is coming through on Tuesday and dumping another 6" plus. I'm officially waving the white flag. Quoting TFW, "I'm done""

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LOL, Capecod! We're in for the same storm. I'm done, too. Although we haven't had any significant snow here, just dustings and such, it's coming every other day and makes the morning and evening commutes just miserable. The problem is that when the sun comes out during the day, it melts somewhat and then we have a re-freeze over night, with school delays in the morning. I am so over this.

Formerly Duped said...

I agree with you ladies who think or know Jon is nice. It's the recent article in TMZ news that brought up this discussion again. To me, Jon is the alternative for these kids to get away from TFW. If he had a good job and stable home, maybe he could get more custody, which he said he wants.And when the kids can make a decision about where to live, he should be ready.

PA Dutch Mom said...

I think Jon is looking for the easy money and fun times. He got spoiled by dad and by TLC. It is a shame because I liked him. He could be doing so much better.

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You son is lucky that he found something he likes and wants to do. He's happy doing it. Not everyone is so fortunate. There are many who take positions because they really need to be employed to pay the bills, and then find out that it's really not what they want to do for the rest of their lives, and many times those positions offer no chance for advancement. The only option for those people is to move on until they do find a job that they know will be long-term for them.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Bet, Kate is already in NYC, for tomorrow. God forbid Kate miss a TV appearance, cause of the weather. After all her career is more important than her kids.

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What weather? It's sunny right now and will be tomorrow, with no snow predicted there until tomorrow night. It's cold, yes, but that's not going to necessitate an early trip to NYC unless she would use frigid temps to get there early and snuggle into bed in a nice warm suite!

Sue_Buddy said...

PA Dutch Mom said... 71

But you are putting out their initials, which seems kind of nebulous. I went to the site and I still don't know who those people are, or why they are/were being sued by BV or why it's being discussed here if they are to be anonymous on this blog. Does this have anything to do with Kate, the Kate haters and that class action lawsuit?
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They've been discussed here briefly the past couple of days because a poster asked admin if the situation with Jon's sanctions are similar to the sanctions against BV.

I asked for confirmation about sanctions being placed against BV since the court of appeals DENIED that request on Dec 11, 2014. Just like I'd like to see documentation of sanctions against Jon. Merely looking for proof.

foxy said...

Do Jon's brothers have careers? You never hear about his family. Did Katie banish them also?

capecodmama said...

Formerly Duped...you definitely have more snow than we do. My oldest daughter is on tbe South Shore and she got 26" with the last storm and another foot with his one. We got eight inches with this one. We have a large dog and he's actually quite enjoying it.

PA Dutch Mom... the upcoming storm looks like it's going to dump more snow on you guys than us.

getofftwitter said...

PA Dutch Mom: Why I say that, cause, Kate only said what the kids gave her on Valentines day. Kate posted no pics of her Valentines breakfast or dinner, or what she got the kids. Remember this is a Gosselin family tradition, Kate posts a pic every year. So far nothing.

NJGal51 said...

Rhymes With - I'm concerned about Soka as well. TFW is, no doubt, in NYC preparing for tomorrow nights show. To be fair, the other contestants are there as well. Hopefully with her gone the boys can bring Shoka in and he can spend the night in the man cave.

No Leslie I wasn't directing that at you. It just seems that there's a dog pile on the rabbit all of a sudden where Jon is concerned. I was making a general comment and probably should have been more specific since I quoted one of your posts.

NJGal51 said...

65-70ish here today. It's nice to be stationed in the SW.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Formerly Duped (#69), when you said regarding the snow, "It's
especially hard with my dog's situation," I had an inappropriate
chuckle. I watch Divorce Court, and Judge Lynn Toler uses the
word "situation" as slang for the male private parts. Many times
she calls husbands to task for taking inappropriate pictures of
their "situation" and emailing it to other women. All kidding
aside, I do hope your pup is getting better every day!

PA Dutch Mom said...

PA Dutch Mom: Why I say that, cause, Kate only said what the kids gave her on Valentines day. Kate posted no pics of her Valentines breakfast or dinner, or what she got the kids.

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You said, "cause of the weather," which really had nothing to do with Valentine's Day, did it? I'm confused:

"Bet, Kate is already in NYC, for tomorrow. God forbid Kate miss a TV appearance, cause of the weather. After all her career is more important than her kids."

Capecod -- That's what they are saying now. You can't believe them until it actually happens. I hope it changes by then!

PA Dutch Mom said...

Just like I'd like to see documentation of sanctions against Jon. Merely looking for proof.

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Thanks, Sue Buddy. Has it been reported that there were sanctions against Jon, as well as the default judgment? I haven't seen any of the rag sources provide any documentation of the court filings or judgment against him.

PA Dutch Mom said...

If he had a good job and stable home, maybe he could get more custody, which he said he wants.

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Is the job he has now not a good one, and his home isn't stable? Exactly what constitutes a "stable home?" I don't know if being a DJ and living in a small place would be a deterrent for him not to have more custody time.

PA Dutch Mom said...

On a separate note, I'm very concerned about Shoka.

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Yes, so am I. A heated dog bed isn't enough right now. I don't think I've ever been as cold as I was this morning. That dog shouldn't be outside during the day. Kate said he comes in at night, but geez, he shouldn't be outside during the day right now for anything other than to do his business.

Mine won't even go outside for that right now! Thank goodness for piddle mats!

Blowing In The Wind said...

Hole-in-her-heart's heart is broken...

MARIE ‏@MY_2BCOLLIES
@msgoody2shoes21 @RealZiggyFlo @CheaterVille @Kateplusmy8 @TMZ @radar_online Just breaks my heart that James & his family are also attacked.

MsGoody2Shoes21 ‏@msgoody2shoes21
@MY_2BCOLLIES @RealZiggyFlo @CheaterVille @Kateplusmy8 To be honest.....I wish it didn't come to this BUT somebody is gonna have to pay.

Who is going to pay for what? No more freebies? lol!

fidosmommy said...

What seems to be the right way to do things doesn't always turn out. We all have personal stories of family or friends to outline how someone else could/should be doing something.

So here's mine. My sister graduated from the University with a teaching degree. It was her dream since she was young. She was immediately hired in our hometown. By her second year, she was becoming unhappy. After 6 years she resigned and went to work in a bank drive-up lane. She LOVED her little job and worked there for years and years, until she got too sick to work. Her hard-won degree did not satisfy her, and it made her miserable. Financially her family of 6 did just fine on her banking salary. Her husband was getting his own company on its feet, yet he was fine with her smaller paycheck. Most importantly, she was happiest outside her 'career' and working a 'dead end job'. A happy wife/mother is a definite bonus.

When I hear that Jon needs to do this or that and man up to bring in a big paycheck, I think of my big sis. I miss her so much. She was smart, resourceful and outgoing. And tomorrow would be her birthday.

Math Girl said...

About Jon's spending right after the divorce:

I'm not a big spender at all (quite the contrary), but I don't think Jon's spending at this time affected his later finances at all. He got assets/money in the divorce settlement, but had to pay extortionate child support from those funds until they were gone. From his point of view, he could spend on rent, etc, or give the money to Kate. In any case, it was gone. If he'd bought assets (like a house or part of a house) with the money, he would have had to sell them to pay child support for a longer period of time. Only putting them into an irrevocable trust, that he couldn't touch, could save them from Kate's grasping claws.

There is a question of whether the G kids would have been better off if he'd given all his money to Kate instead of spending some of it. Depends what she'd do with it - blow it on luxuries for herself, blow it on luxuries for the kids, or save it. I can't begin to speculate what would have happened to it and what would have been best for the kids in the long run.

Sue_Buddy said...

PA Dutch Mom said... 83

Has it been reported that there were sanctions against Jon, as well as the default judgment?
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I'm getting confused. The sanctions against Jon that I mentioned are the ones reported in TMZ. The supposed sanctions against BV are reported on the BVFiles blog. Someone wanted to know if they were similar.

I've seen no verified proof of either, as in signed, dated copies from the courts.

Formerly Duped said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 81
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lol, never heard about the 'situation' in that context.Hard or otherwise! My dog is female, though! Thanks for the good wishes. I know she also wants to frolic but couldn't even with sound limbs. But she does enjoy sticking her head into mounds of it .Brrr, it's cold.And more Tuesday...Noooo!


PA Dutch Mom:
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My friend is also going through a custody battle and it is going in her favor because she has a full-time job she's held for years and a larger house. Her ex has a p/t job, girlfriends and lives in a duplex. The court apparently wants one bedroom for every 2 children and good work references of a long-term employment to show stability.I don't know the legal aspects exactly, but she was told her circumstances would work in her favor. That's all I meant- I don't care where Jon livesI and works as a DJ, but hasn't that job only been for a short time ? I think, sadly, Kate with her millions and that huge house 'sounds' like a better prospect if you go by the books. I just think if Jon has a more conservatively 'better' lifestyle and income he might get more custody or at least the custody he has, upheld.I don't think this is coming across well, but that's what I meant. People in many different circumstances are good parents.And bad ones a la Kate.

I didn't think of it, but the boys definitely now could have Shoka with them- wouldn't that be great for all?

Ex Nurse said...

I think that the reason some of Jon's history is coming up is because what may have looked like random events are now looking like a pattern of behavior. JMO, of course.

PatK said...

Blowing In The Wind said... 86
Hole-in-her-heart's heart is broken...

MARIE ‏@MY_2BCOLLIES
@msgoody2shoes21 @RealZiggyFlo @CheaterVille @Kateplusmy8 @TMZ @radar_online Just breaks my heart that James & his family are also attacked.

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I guess this one still doesn't realize what business McNuggets is "allegedly" involved in and needs to wake up. (Promises of a litigation windfall must still be on her mind. lol)

angie said...

I believe Jon said on the View HE took 80% of the family's $$ and put it in trust (and weren't there other reports that Kate was livid?) Of course later she said SHE put the money in trust. I think it's been said that she is the trustee, so of course she has free reign to do with the trust $$ as she pleases. She can use it for clothing, braces, schooling, food, mortgage, etc. (it's my opinion there won't be anything left by the time the kids need to go to college). Private schooling is pricey, and there's no way those kids are getting a dime of scholarship $$ since TLC rolled into town. (the twins were on scholarship in the beginning, I failed to mention that in my post about how Jon and Kate were never in a place to ever fully support their children).
I'll go a step further and say we probably would have never heard of the Gosselin's if Jon's dad was still living.

Jon got fed up with the kids being filmed. He told TLC to go away and they went after him in court. Right or wrong, contract or no contract, there's something just so WRONG in a company going after a parent who doesn't want their children working for a living.

As far as Jon spending all that money on NYC rent, ect, no, he probably shouldn't have done that. But maybe he signed a lease before realizing TLC was going to sue him and prohibit him from doing any media work. Ok, he blew some money. Kate did, too....she has two pricey cars (and has replaced each already with newer models), has had a boob job (and how much is that?), and no telling what else-botox, lipo (she made a reference in her journal about whether she should do the boob job or fix the 'dent' in her leg), hair extensions, SHOES, tanning, etc etc, I am sure she's blown through more of the money than Jon every thought about.

Tucker's Mom said...

If today's conversation doesn't show the strength of our Veranda, then nothing does. Today's posts have been bold, and truthful, and venting, and perhaps, a long time coming, and, it's like: this.

I hope we all land and go to NYC and get "On The Cover On The Rolling Stone!".

Sue_Buddy said...

I guess this one still doesn't realize what business McNuggets is "allegedly" involved in and needs to wake up. (Promises of a litigation windfall must still be on her mind. lol)
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As of yesterday, new info has been posted on BV's blog including emails and DMs allegedly from a hater who was agreeing to help BV "out" haters he couldn't identify, allegedly in an attempt to pacify him and keep him from coming down hard on her. This is supposedly to be used in a lawsuit, or THE lawsuit now pending. Don't know which.

The die-hards are dancing in the streets as they wait for justice to be served. This might be another 100 years war-Twitter version.

Tucker's Mom said...

Anonymous said... 55
(Leslie)
Tucker's Mom, sorry I forgot to post the article stating the kids were going to be models. See my comment # 45 for the link.

*******
On the same page ;-)

Formerly Duped said...

Tucker's Mom said... 94
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Perfect. Great scene :) Great Veranda

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Jon being a DJ and having a smaller home than Kate has nothing to do with custody. Lots of parents have their kids in that situation.

There are three reasons Kate made out better in family law court, IMO. One, she had better lawyers and TLC backing her, and went into the game intent on wiping the floor with Jon. She was in the driver's seat the whole time, she filed first, ensuring that this divorce would happen on her terms, and it did. Two, she is the mother in a state that favors mothers. And three, she was able to get the momentum in the case early, and it's incredibly hard to shift that momentum, especially not years later. She will now forever be able to use the argument, but this is what the kids' KNOW, it's their house and school. There is nothing Jon can do about it. Kate did not make out better because she had a mansion, which by the way was Jon's too. She did not make out better because Jon is a DJ or worked in a restaurant. He could easily go to court and explain just how little she works and just how unstable her employment history is, including being canned at several of her gigs.

Finally, I see no relation between your work ethic and a dispute with a company you were either an independent contractor with or employee, about what you were or were not allowed to say to your clients.

Unknown said...

Sue_Buddy said... 75
''I asked for confirmation about sanctions being placed against BV since the court of appeals DENIED that request on Dec 11, 2014.''
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SueBuddy, Admin made this comment about BV's million dollar judgment, and I responded to her with a question.
''Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 114
''....There really isn't a lot to be done when you can't afford a civil judgment. You just don't pay it. You're not going to jail. They could seek to garnish your wages and so on, but it depends on the state whether this is possible and it's a long and complicated and expensive process. This is why so many of us were laughing about BV's million dollar lawsuit. Nobody can pay that so what's the POINT? The law really limits what creditors can do to collect.''......
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Admin, I have a question about this comment. Since BV has assets that can be ?attached/seized?, it seems to me that there is a big difference between the judgment against BV and the judgment against Jon who appears to have zero assets. Jon has nothing, so they would be able to get nothing from him. They may not be able to get a million from BV in one fell swoop, but they could get everything he has, can't they? Am I wrong? If so what about my thinking is wrong?''
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SueBuddy, PJ and I gave you links to the site that explains everything IF you have the patience to actually read it. There were OTHER court judgments AFTER the December one. That is all I have to say to you about this subject.

My question to Admin is still the same...Jon has no assets so the million dollar judgment will mean nothing to him. However, BV does have assets, and those assets can be taken, can't they?

angie said...

As far as blowing money, Kate has multiple exercise machines in her basement, and gee, didn't she just get a new frig and a new stove/oven (and that baby alone was $9000??)

and Jon's the one spending money??

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I've pretty much said this before but it bears repeating. Just an observation and I could be wrong, but it seems to be a lot of people who congregate here, for whatever reason, are Type A personality women. Women who like to have their lives in order. Women who crave stability. Women who like to make plans, execute those plans, who enjoy looking ahead, thinking big picture and long term, and who follow through on that. Women who are very put off by not knowing what lies ahead, by instability, by plans they thought were so set not working out.

I know I am a Type A, but I have Type B poeple in my life.

I think for those so used to living like a Type A, Type B people can look very disorganized and unstable. But in a Type B's mind, they don't see the disorganization or instability. They're just living life the way they know how. That's just their life. It is not bothersome to them to change things up or just live in the moment and not think too much ahead. They may very well see a Type A's life as extremely rigid, inflexible, boring, not fun. Naturally we don't feel that way usually.

I actually think despite Kate being so uptight and claiming to be so organized, she actually has several traits of a Type B, just like Jon, in that she lives more in the moment, procrastinates, is patient to just let things play out, doesn't think ahead too much. A true Type A person would have abandoned her silly little "career" path ages ago, it's way too uncertain and is taking way too long to pan out. I cannot even begin to imagine trying to be in a relationship with someone like either of them, I'd never be able to hack it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Remona, totally depends on the state.

That said regardless your state it makes way more sense to sue someone with money than to bother suing somebody broke. Which was why I was explaining the other day the way my narcissist became the target for various lawsuits over the years, IMO only because there were deep pockets there. Somebody broke nobody would have bothered.

Formerly Duped said...

I'm definitely a Type A :) My kids are Type B and my husband A/B!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

When that fan tweeted "to be honest" she wished it hadn't come to
this, but someone's gonna have to pay, I think what she meant was,
I am so gleeful at the thought of destroying others who don't agree
with me that I don't think my heart can take the excitement.

To be honest, honestly, in all honesty...all variations on the theme:
"I am lying." From TFW and her minions.

angie said...

There are three reasons Kate made out better in family law court, IMO
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She also made out better in court because Jon loves his kids more than he hates Kate (which she hates him more than she loves her kids, imo)

He was skewered in the press for having 'an affair', which IN TRUTH the marriage was over months prior and she told him he could do whatever he pleased as long as he showed up for filming. He could have slung mud about his concerns about Steve, demanded , DEMANDED, she attend counseling (she did not), he could have refused to leave the family home and instead move into the garage apt...
there were a lot of things he could have done (heck, he knew what that journal said--he could have used that, and there would be NO WAY (hehe Kate, there's one of your catch phrases) she could have avoided being negatively affected due to their popularity at that time. It would have been all over the news and she would have been shunned. Jon could have used that journal against her AND gotten custody of the kids, gotten the house, etc, but for whatever reason, he didn't.
Perhaps he was optimistic that he and Kate could co-parent. Big mistake.

Unknown said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 102
''Remona, totally depends on the state.''....
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Thank you for your response, Admin.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


She also made out better in court because Jon loves his kids more than he hates Kate (which she hates him more than she loves her kids, imo)


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Well and that's the thing. Kate was going to fight this forever.

Jon agreed to go to mediation, and I think he may very well have agreed to the first deal he could to put an end to the turmoil. Both so he could move on and his children could move on. Their divorce settled. Does anyone honestly think that Kate was the one to give on that settlement? Please.

Whatever happened during the divorce those are his decisions, and to try to second guess or psycho analyze all of them and without being in that room and knowing exactly what happened is pretty futile, IMO. It happened the way it did, you can only make the best decision you can in that moment and hope for the best. Especially when divorcing a parental alienator and narcissist. The fact that it looks like according to recent reports all the kids are seeing him now at least somewhat regularly and are on good terms (Mady texting him requesting a song, kids seen out and about with him by various people on social media, etc), that's a victory given how much their mother has tried to turn them against him.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

We ought to have a Hawaiian Tshirt party beach theme to warm up the endless snowbound folks.

We can all show up in our bikinis and I'll host since it's 80 here today and it's a national holiday on Monday.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think it's VERY clear that Jon places an incredibly high value on both being happy at work, having fun, chasing after his ideal dream job. This seems to be more important to him than stability and even money.

It's wonderful to strive to be happy at work. That's not always realistic though. In the real world you try to check as many boxes on your lists of "musts" at a job as you can but most people realize you won't be able to check them all usually. Even one drive by said recently well if I had a boss I didn't respect I simply wouldn't put up with it. I bet that is exactly what Jon would say too!

I don't think Type A's think that way. I think Type A's see it more like, well a bad boss is a part of life sometimes, it's more important I have stability. I am willing to leave if I don't like my boss, but ONLY if I have something just as good or better lined up on the other end. A Type A is usually NOT willing to leave a job they don't like or confront someone and make waves just because they don't like it or don't feel respected. While of course they also want to love their work, other values come first, like a steady paycheck, stability, good benefits, flexibility, etc. They will put up with other bad things if they can get those things.

I just don't see Jon in that category. He wants to be passionate and love what he does. If that means switching gears several times to try to find that, so be it for him. Look at what happened at TLC. The second he wasn't "feeling" that job, he was done.

I really do think a fundamental difference in personalities is why some of his behaviors are very difficult to understand.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Talk about Type B -- does anyone have the direct quote from that
interview TFW gave recently about her next work situation? Something about waiting to seeing what's next, and finding
something "comfortable?" Does that sound focused or
goal oriented? It sounds pretty flimsy-flamsy to me.

All those platitudes about working and striving and forging ahead
have never scanned with what we've seen from TFW. If you
knew nothing about her background, her lapsed blog alone
screams her laziness to the world.

Anonymous said...

Thanks, Remona Blue ...99 I didn't really know how to respond any more. I've been reading at that site for months. It's too difficult to give the Reader's Digest version. Anyone who wants to spend the time reading the articles AND the comments AND the documents will have all of their questions answered.

As for the barnyard celebrations, well, from what I've read, that stuff was old news that everybody but the sheeple knew about. If you want proof, read the latest comments on Viaview Files.

PJ

Winsomeone said...

"and are on good terms (Mady texting him requesting a song, kids seen out and about with him by various people on social media, etc), that's a victory given how much their mother has tried to turn them against him."

I meant to comment about this when it happened, and forgot. Doesn't it seem strange, that Mady would text him at the bar/night club where he works, and request him to play a certain song for her..a song she had no way of hearing? Also, at one time, it was said that Kate controlled all of the kids' out going calls..guess that is no longer true, as I can't imagine her going along with this.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I meant to comment about this when it happened, and forgot. Doesn't it seem strange, that Mady would text him at the bar/night club where he works, and request him to play a certain song for her..a song she had no way of hearing?

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Never thought that was strange. A teen would get a thrill out of their dad DJ playing a song they requested regardless if they were there. Plus maybe she was "there", maybe they face timed and she was able to listen and see what was going on.

A grown adult would find that all so silly, but she's a teen and nothing like that is silly at that age.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Admin., why do you think this company sued Jon when they probably know he has no money? And do you think they will garnish his paycheck?

For The Bachelor fans, it is on three hours TONIGHT. Also it will be on Monday to with another episode.

Anonymous said...

About co-parenting - I thought at the time of the divorce, TFW was quoted as saying the plan was that she would remain in the house with the children and that during Jon's time with the children, she would not be on the premises. That way the children's lives would not be disrupted by having to leave to spend time with their father. Whatever happened to that 'arrangement'?

bm

getofftwitter said...

PA Dutch Mom: Kate says that Valentines day among the other holidays is family tradition, so far it's been a me tradition and no pics of what she gave her kids. The other reason why I said weather is cause that is all I'm hearing on TV is about the very cold and snowy weather coming to the NE. Kate has been preparing for NY for the last couple of days, and to miss the bad weather she is probably already in NY. Kate has posted nothing today. The last time I mentioned weather and maybe she would cancel on WW, WW canceled her show, but that did not stop Kate from going, cause Kate took a pic of herself, in NY in the street, walking (so she says) to some interview. We all know when Kate is quiet, she is either up to something or she is not home. Kate would not miss this, this is her career. I'm also thinking that maybe kids are with dad this weekend, cause they are off on monday. Kate had no pics of the kids, just a card and a mention that they got her socks?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


(Leslie)
Admin., why do you think this company sued Jon when they probably know he has no money? And do you think they will garnish his paycheck?


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They CAN'T garnish his paycheck in PA. It's illegal.

They may have THOUGHT he had money, falsely assumed because he was a celeb he must have some secret stash somewhere.

Or, they may have been trying to make an example of one person.

Or, maybe they're shady and scamming and going after everyone, in the hopes that if only a few default they'll come out in the green.

Or, they may have tried to use his celebrity to generate good press for themselves.

Or, they may have had a legitimate complaint.

Given their shady practices well documented on the web, none of those scenarios would surprise me. We will never know.

Winsomeone said...

"Never thought that was strange. A teen would get a thrill out of their dad DJ playing a song they requested regardless if they were there. Plus maybe she was "there", maybe they face timed and she was able to listen and see what was going on."

Forgot about the new iphones where you can do that sort of thing..glad Kate lets the kids phone Jon now whenever they want, too.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Wow, Admin., I am really impressed with all of those great points. I didn't know about their shady practices. I will google them. Thanks for answering. It is good to know they can't garnish his check.

Sue_Buddy said...

Remona Blue said... 98

SueBuddy, PJ and I gave you links to the site that explains everything IF you have the patience to actually read it. There were OTHER court judgments AFTER the December one. That is all I have to say to you about this subject.
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I'm sorry to see that you won't point me to the document that provides the determination of the trial court regarding the sanctions. I searched for it today and the very last mention was Jan 27, another "info coming soon" comment with no info coming yet.


Unknown said...

Winsomeone said... 114
''Forgot about the new iphones where you can do that sort of thing..glad Kate lets the kids phone Jon now whenever they want, too.''
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I'm not convinced that their mother lets the kids phone Jon whenever they want. I'm not so sure that she wouldn't have heard a song that late at night. On the building new rooms episode, I remember a conversation between the twins when one was happy to have her own room because the other was always watching tv at 2am. I suspect that TCFW has absolutely no clue what any of Jon's children are doing once she sends them to their rooms!

Montréalaise said...

I have always tried to give Jon the benefit of the doubt since he is definitely the nicer person and (much, much!) better parent than Kate, and he was in an abusive marriage which can destroy anyone's self esteem, but I finally lost the respect I used to have for him. A million dollars default judgement is no small matter, especially since it's alleged it was based on him defrauding his employer.

It's been almost six years since his divorce. If he had concentrated on rebuilding his career (or building a new one) and quietly living his life outside the limelight, there wouldn't be any tabloid stories about him. Instead, he's continuing his pattern of making bad decisions and foolish choices. Even Robert Hoffman, who likes the guy, has stated that Jon makes poor decisions and chooses the wrong people to associate with. Remember his appearance on Celebrity Couples with his foul-mouthed girlfriend? The time he gave an interview where he drove drunk and then urinated in someone's driveway, all in front of the reporter? And of course the fact that he's gone from one job to another, never staying with anything for very long.

I also can't ignore the fact that he and Kate worked as a team on their speaking tours, telling churchgoers that he had been fired because his employer didn't want to pay insurance premiums for the tups (a blatant lie) and that they were in financial need (another blatant lie). All of it point to someone who, as nice and warm-hearted as he may be, also doesn't have a work ethic or very strong morals, is a bad judge of character and is looking for easy money with minimal effort.

Anonymous said...


Forgot about the new iphones where you can do that sort of thing..glad Kate lets the kids phone Jon now whenever they want, too.
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I rather think that TFW is not as much in a position to 'let' the teens do things like this, as much as she implies she is. Unless she has taken these phones away for punishment, how does she stop them? Big house, own rooms and she travels away from them as often as she can. I think they can phone their father pretty much whenever they want to. SHE likes to imply she has more control than she probably does.

They seem to be adept at the getting what they want game from her; I think the sullen interview on the Today show was a turning point in that sad game. I also doubt she will be denying them driver's licenses until they are 18. They have too much 'on' her already.


OrangeCrusher

getofftwitter said...

Last year Kate made burnt pizza in the shape of hearts and some other stuff in a bowl or plate. How can one always burn pizza?

Sue said...

Montréalaise you forgot to begin your post with "I'm no a fan of Kate's but..."

Sue

Ex Nurse said...

Realitytvkids.com (Administrator) said... 101
Remona, totally depends on the state.

That said regardless your state it makes way more sense to sue someone with money than to bother suing somebody broke. Which was why I was explaining the other day the way my narcissist became the target for various lawsuits over the years, IMO only because there were deep pockets there. Somebody broke nobody would have bothered.
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I am having trouble following the logic here. If someone is wealthy, while it may make them a target, then they will be able to mount a defense-especially if the accusations have no merit. Not responding gives the appearance that there is no defense--ie, that he did what they claimed and it violate their agreement. You seem to be saying that the company was questionable, which should invalidate all of their agreements. I'm not trying to be argumentative--maybe it is a question of perspective. I was a business owner for 25 years, that utilized independent contractors, and, I now prepare tax returns for a living. So, I am very aware of the many gray areas that can be exploited by companies, to avoid paying payroll taxes and to not be held to the legal requirements of employment. This company does seem very suspicious, in that it provides all of the training, support and at least some business leads. This sounds more like an employee-employer contract than an independent contractor. Typically, companies higher independent contractors because they already have expertise.

This is the second contract that has been litigated against Jon. I don't think that many of our posters, if any, would break one contract, let alone two (allegedly on the second one). If Jon failed to do his due diligence before signing any contract, then that is on him. He is an adult man who is responsible for 8 children. Tough shit if he isn't happy at his job--his first responsibility is to his children. Enough is enough--it is time for him to grow up.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Remona said, "On the building new rooms episode, I remember a conversation between the twins when one was happy to have her own room because the other was always watching tv at 2am.
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You got confused about this. That comment was made in the large den when Mady and Cara were on air mattresses. It wasn't about one of them watching tv in their bedroom.

Also, BM comment #114, the arrangements you are describing happened during their seperation and ceased at the time of their divorce.

Anonymous said...

Sue, I don't know what to tell you. From what I understand (and goodness knows, that could be all wrong) the decision on what the sanctions will be hasn't been made yet, but it's coming soon? I believe one of the parties is trying to negotiate a settlement before the courts make the decision. I guess this shows that one of the parties is attempting a solution and the courts will look favorably on that effort? I can't give you direct links to this stuff because it comes from what I've read on twitter and that other blog, in the comments from the admins etc.

We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.

PJ

Rhythm Of Life said...

MARIE ‏@MY_2BCOLLIES 5h5 hours ago
Some of the people I have a great deal of respect for is @RealZiggyFlo, @CJWhodunit, @Kateplusmy8 and James McGibney. All of whom I trust.💞👏

This tweet says just about everything one needs to know about sheeple. It speaks volumes. VOLUMES. You are known by the company you keep (and the people you trust).

Sue_Buddy said...

PJ - 127
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Thanks for your reply. It's much closer to the truth than the statement made in the original article of Dec. 11th. There is no way of knowing what the court will decide with regard to the amount of the sanctions. From reading the court documents, it sounds like they will be commensurate with the amount of inconvenience to the party asking for them. Coming soon? A million dollars? I'm not holding my breath.

Have a good night.

Unknown said...

Anonymous (PJ) said... 125
As you said before, there is no Reader's Digest way to explain things to anyone that is not willing to simply read what is on the site. There is no one specific link that explains everything, since there is more than one lawsuit in two different states, multiple filings, with appeals, failure to appear for an appeal and on and on and on and on!!! In my opinion, those questions should be posted on the site in question. I see no reason for either of us to be somehow obliged to answer questions about another site.

Now back to Jon being sued by a company that called attention to their bad business practices. I find that interesting, but don't need to see the actual court documents in order to have proof that happened.

I'm much more interested in seeing how TCFW is treated when she appears on the next Celebrity Apprentice!!
PS
Thanks Leslie for the correction about the twin watching tv! I did confuse the conversation and thought it was about when they were rooming together instead of during the construction.

Rhythm Of Life said...

"A million dollars default judgement is no small matter, especially since it's alleged it was based on him defrauding his employer."

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You are assuming that the company was his employer. We don't know what contract he signed (if any) and the "position" stated therein. I would believe, though, that a good contract attorney could have found loopholes there and argued his way out of it, possibly winning that lawsuit. Because he didn't have a defense, we'll never know exactly what his defense would have been, and we can speculate until the cows come home. I bet, however, that it wouldn't have been a slam dunk for the company.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

If someone is wealthy, while it may make them a target, then they will be able to mount a defense-especially if the accusations have no merit.

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Even if you can mount a defense, the person I knew was very motivated to quickly settle the cases and pay people off to avoid bad publicity. They pride themselves on being well regarded in the press as a demure and gentle angel, despite the extreme disfunction, alcoholism, lawsuits, divorces, etc., constantly happening behind closed doors. I imagine many celebs feel the same. Make no mistake, people filing lawsuits know full well they will be able to put somebody between a rock and a hard place. We witnessed Kate doing this to Jon, she was hoping Jon wouldn't fight or couldn't fight her suit against him. She gambled and lost. But that was because Tuma stepped in and I think he may have done it pro bono or for cheap. I doubt anyone stepped up to help Jon this time, who would care? This company gambled and won this time.

I have no idea what a dispute over what you may or may not have said to your clients has to do with growing up. The fact that the company is very shady (like more than one bad yelp review shady) casts doubt on the validity of this or any claim they make. It makes one question whether this is just more shady practices from them. It doesn't prove or disprove whether their claims are true, so we're kind of going in circles now.

Rhythm Of Life said...

We can all show up in our bikinis and I'll host since it's 80 here today and it's a national holiday on Monday.

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Are we allowed to wear our muumuus as cover-ups over the bikinis? I just got a new one on sale at Target, along with matching Mickey Mouse crocs.

Mel said...

In the Maine episode I noticed that TFW, that poor single mom, not only ordered fresh lobster, but also purchased shrimp AND scallops, AND then had them delivered. AND bought a whole bunch of unnecessary plates, napkins, etc. AND hired a personal chef to come to the house to cook the stuff.

As the stay the week in a rented beach house. With a private beach. One of the kids commented how nice it was to have the beach to themselves. You know, like all regular kids have.

Sure sounds like a single mom, just piecin' and patchin'. At least all the single moms I know.
Fly themselves and all their kids and all the nannies to the nearest airport, rent a huge van, rent a beach house, buy ALL the kinds of seafood, a bunch of accessories, hire a chef to cook it, at your vacation rental house.

Makes you wonder how the rich live if this is how the poor live. Sounds like a pretty posh vacation to me.

Rhythm Of Life said...

Also, BM comment #114, the arrangements you are describing happened during their seperation and ceased at the time of their divorce.

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I thought that arrangement was supposed to continue after the divorce was final. I think we all here questioned how that was going to work out, and how long it would go on because logistically, it seemed to be complicated and not at all workable, and actually stressful for both parents, packing, finding a place to stay, etc.

Mel said...

The way those paddle boards were stacked up to be taken back home...she was talking about packing everything to go home...who wants to get that she was comped 8 paddle boards?

Which will never be used again, an will show up in a garage sale next summer?

A la the boatload of Coleman camping gear and the carts and carts of Halloween decorations?

Formerly Duped said...

Speaking of Target ( which I love) did you all notice that the boys had the Target brand of toiletries to take on the Maine trip while the girls had Neutrogena etc for theirs, which were packed in zippered pouches while the boys had baggies?

Rhymes with Witch said...

I'm sorry to see that you won't point me to the document that provides the determination of the trial court regarding the sanctions. 119

Early on, I read at viaviewfiles weekly or so. I pretty much lost interest but check it occasionally. Because of my early interest, I have some clue who the parties involved are, but there is so much posted there I could not possibly point anyone to a specific post that would answer anyone's questions. I'm fairly certain that the information is there, it just requires research if you want to find it. (not being snarky). It's convoluted and crazy.
Bottom line, as I understand it, BV is not a nice person who filed at least 2 lawsuits in TX and CA against anyone who said anything against him on the internet. His choice of attorneys is questionable and any sheeple who are waiting for their big payout are delusional - based on what I read at viaviewfiles. The preceding was descriptive, not my opinion.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Getofftwitter said, "Kate had no pics of the kids, just a card and a mention that they got her socks?"
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I don't understand the content of that statement. When was this?
Also, you said, "Kate says that Valentines day among the other holidays is family tradition, so far it's been a me tradition and no pics of what she gave her kids." Just because Kate has not tweeted about her Valentine's celebration with her kids doesn't mean she did not celebrate it with them. But I do see your point about how in the past she has made a big deal of this day by posting about it on twitter.

My thoughts are the CA finale tomorrow night is going to be live. So it seems like she would not have to be there until tomorrow. All she has to do tomorrow is sit in a big group on the stage. But knowing Kate she probably left Friday and will make it a very long weekend away from her kids. I bet if she was home on Saturday she would have posted pictures so I bet she wasn't.


Millicent said...

I look at Jon, in the present day, as a guy trying to lead a private life while having 8 children whose lives are still being filmed for the entertainment of lookie loos. As such, I don't choose to comment on his life. Just as my life is my own to live, so is his. As to the default judgment, I wonder if he was properly served with the lawsuit. If not, he may be able to get the judgment set aside. Hope he is getting sound legal advice. As to his job history, I don't feel qualified to judge. So what if he went on couple's therapy. He needed the money, it might have helped him see some patterns that should be changed, and it did not involve the children.

Jon is an easygoing, mediocre guy. While willing to try various jobs, he will never set the world on fire. But he has remained in close proximity to his kids, he loves them, and has fun with them. Unconditional love and fun are in short supply for those kids. That's his most important job.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
I didn't notice that about the different brands. I wonder if both Neutrogena and Target gave them those for promotions. You must have a great eye to notice that detail. And of course, the boys wouldn't have the name brand. What I thought was unusual was when the tup girls said they were without their lotion when they were moving from room to room and all their belongings were stripped. I didn't know ten year old girls even used lotion.

Rhymes with Witch said...

This is the second contract that has been litigated against Jon. 125

Truly, I find a million dollar judgment questionable. JMO.
I would never want to be famous, much less infamous. Mediocrity rules!

Cruisin' Just As Fast As She Can Now said...

admin said, "Even if you can mount a defense, the person I knew was very motivated to quickly settle the cases and pay people off to avoid bad publicity. They pride themselves on being well regarded in the press as a demure and gentle angel, despite the extreme disfunction, alcoholism, lawsuits, divorces, etc., constantly happening behind closed doors. I imagine many celebs feel the same."

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I know a celeb who was accused of doing something that he didn't do by a person (or persons) who schemed to get a nice chunk of money from him, or they would tell (and show) all to the media.

He knew they had nothing, and he didn't fall for it. He stood his ground. He contacted the Feds, and bottom line was that they shot themselves in the foot. Not only didn't they get a pay-out, but they found themselves in court where they were found guilty of extortion.. Last I heard they were sentenced to several years in prison. Oops. Backfired big time.

Bill said...

Anonymous said... 139

My thoughts are the CA finale tomorrow night is going to be live. So it seems like she would not have to be there until tomorrow. All she has to do tomorrow is sit in a big group on the stage. But knowing Kate she probably left Friday and will make it a very long weekend away from her kids. I bet if she was home on Saturday she would have posted pictures so I bet she wasn't.


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I tend to think she left Friday as well. The kids gave her the card before the weekend; she took and tweeted the pictures from NY.

Otherwise, there would have been heart-shaped pancakes or something on Saturday morning.

Bill said...

Formerly Duped said... 137

Speaking of Target ( which I love) did you all notice that the boys had the Target brand of toiletries to take on the Maine trip while the girls had Neutrogena etc for theirs, which were packed in zippered pouches while the boys had baggies?


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I really think the boys at their age did not notice or care.

Cruisin' Just As Fast As She Can Now said...

I didn't know ten year old girls even used lotion.

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Suntan, or just regular body lotion? Yes, they do, and girls that age are really into flavored lip balm and sparkling body wash!

Bill said...

Mel said... 136

The way those paddle boards were stacked up to be taken back home...she was talking about packing everything to go home...who wants to get that she was comped 8 paddle boards?

Which will never be used again, an will show up in a garage sale next summer?


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Unless they drove that rented Sprinter home, I cannot see them taking the paddle boards, painting supplies, lobster tools and what looked like a quantity of unused food items home on a plane. TLC either shipped it or disposed of it. Anything they took back could have already been sold at the filmed sale as the trip was in the late summer while the sale followed the room project which was around the time school started.

Cruisin' Just As Fast As She Can Now said...

(Leslie)
Getofftwitter said, "Kate had no pics of the kids, just a card and a mention that they got her socks?"
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I don't understand the content of that statement. When was this?

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Yesterday she tweeted a picture of the card they gave to her, and said that they gave her a pair of socks.

Bill said...

Mel said... 134

In the Maine episode I noticed that TFW, that poor single mom, not only ordered fresh lobster, but also purchased shrimp AND scallops, AND then had them delivered. AND bought a whole bunch of unnecessary plates, napkins, etc. AND hired a personal chef to come to the house to cook the stuff.


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Kate was shown throwing the shrimp on the barbie. The lobsters were delivered; she took the other seafood with her. I tend to think the lobsters were cooked (murdered) at the shop and the Taylor Swift clone who delivered them only showed the kids how to eat them.

Millicent said...

Romi, I do not tell you "enough with the Jon bashing", so do not try to tell me what opinion I voice on this blog. That is all.

Bill said...

Anonymous said... 122

I also doubt she will be denying them driver's licenses until they are 18. They have too much 'on' her already.


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Does Jon have the authority to sign on their license application? Most states require consent from a parent or legal guardian and Pennsylvania seems to be stricter than most. She won't unless she wants it for "currency."

Ex Nurse said...

Admin said
I have no idea what a dispute over what you may or may not have said to your clients has to do with growing up
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Sorry, I wasn't clear about that. I was addressing your comment: " I think it's VERY clear that Jon places an incredibly high value on both being happy at work, having fun, chasing after his ideal dream job. This seems to be more important to him than stability and even money. "

When you have 8 children, they come first--that is what responsible adults do.

We may not know what the company may or may not have done, but, we do know that Jon was accused by TLC of breaking his contract, and he was successfully blocked from working in media and paid dearly. It does seems he has a serious problem with keeping his agreements and sticking to his commitments--which is not the same as saying he doesn't have a work ethic. One employer has gone on the record that he was shopping for freebies on company time, and another source has said that he was fired by the restaurant for not showing up. So, it is common sense that there is a strong possibility that he violated his agreement with this crappy company. I have already said that I am suspicious that they are miscategorizing (is that a word?) the sales partners as contractors, when they are probably employers. It is a very gray area, and certainly could have been a basis for a defense. It isn't that I am taking the company's side at all. It could be that the company was out of compliance in requiring a non-compete, and that Jon broke his agreement. If there had been a trial, that would have been established.
Unless he appeals, we may never know. But it sure doesn't help his credibility to let that stand without putting up a defense.

Bill said...

getofftwitter said... 115

PA Dutch Mom: Kate says that Valentines day among the other holidays is family tradition, so far it's been a me tradition and no pics of what she gave her kids. The other reason why I said weather is cause that is all I'm hearing on TV is about the very cold and snowy weather coming to the NE. Kate has been preparing for NY for the last couple of days, and to miss the bad weather she is probably already in NY. Kate has posted nothing today. The last time I mentioned weather and maybe she would cancel on WW, WW canceled her show, but that did not stop Kate from going, cause Kate took a pic of herself, in NY in the street, walking (so she says) to some interview. We all know when Kate is quiet, she is either up to something or she is not home. Kate would not miss this, this is her career. I'm also thinking that maybe kids are with dad this weekend, cause they are off on monday. Kate had no pics of the kids, just a card and a mention that they got her socks?


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Kate appeared in person on the Today Show Tuesday morning after her CA firing as scheduled. Wendy's show was canceled that day due to weather; she appeared on the next (possibly taped Tuesday afternoon after the travel ban was lifted.)

Karen Kaufman said...

It breaks my heart to see the negative publicity re: Jon. I do wish him peace and happiness as he seems to have terrible luck. And I give him a broad leeway because, seriously, how could he EVER see this happening when he fell for (ugh...) Kate? She did fool the world because no one ever thought that anyone would risk her life and commit prescription fraud to purposely have HOMs. And then when said multiples came into the world, treated them worse than most people treat barnyard animals. Her own flesh and blood. I don't think she was this demonic when he met her. Cruelest of all, she uses his love for them against them. He has had to refrain from retaliation for their sakes. He is not perfect. He has made mistakes. But in no way does he deserve this misfortune. I hope he finds his way. At least he has he potential to, unlike his psychotic ex.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

And of course, the boys wouldn't have the name brand.

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I really doubt that ten-year-old boys know "brands" and as long as whatever they had did the job, they wouldn't care. Boys are so easy...

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Kate has been preparing for NY for the last couple of days, and to miss the bad weather she is probably already in NY. Kate has posted nothing today.

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What bad weather? It's cold. It's winter. Why would she leave early when it was just as cold yesterday as it was there today (and tomorrow)? There's no snow in the forecast until tomorrow night. If she's coming home on Tuesday, they may have problems driving home unless they took the train.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Bottom line, as I understand it, BV is not a nice person who filed at least 2 lawsuits in TX and CA against anyone who said anything against him on the internet. His choice of attorneys is questionable and any sheeple who are waiting for their big payout are delusional - based on what I read at viaviewfiles. The preceding was descriptive, not my opinion.

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Ah, but one of the slower sheeple recently tweeted that she admired him because he "single handedly" took down the haters and stopped the harassment.

I seem to recall, however, that Kate tweeted to some kid that she wanted him to help her with the haters, saying that "me and Bullyville" will provide the info." I didn't really follow too much that was going on, but it didn't take me long to realize that BV was not someone with whom I would align myself, nor call a hero or a knight in shining armor. I think he has his hands full right now, and so much on his plate that the class action lawsuit is more than likely on the back burner, if indeed it is anywhere at all.

I remember it being said here many times that he may get away with what he's doing for the time being, but the day will come when he's going to tangle with the wrong person and it's all going to come back and bite him in the rear end. It appears that perhaps that time has come.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Unless he appeals, we may never know. But it sure doesn't help his credibility to let that stand without putting up a defense.

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Depending when the default judgment was ordered, it may be too late for an appeal. He had thirty days to file one.

It may not help his credibility to let it stand, but I wonder if he really wants to lay out thousands and thousands of dollars to fight it when, in fact, they may not have a snowball's chance of having the judgment enforced.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Sue Buddy said, "As of yesterday, new info has been posted on BV's blog including emails and DMs allegedly from a hater who was agreeing to help BV "out" haters he couldn't identify, allegedly in an attempt to pacify him and keep him from coming down hard on her.
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I have not keep up with BV at all. I know it is all very confusing and detailed. But I have two simple questions. Is BV STILL trying to out Kate's haters? And did he ever file any legal action against any of Kate's haters?

Mel said...

You do have wonder how that came to the attention of TMZ.

Maybe they have staff who check for that sort of thing.
But more likely that someone called it to their attention. That someone needing a distraction from their poor performance on CA, perhaps....

Unknown said...

rainbowsandunicorns said... 159
''....It may not help his credibility to let it stand, but I wonder if he really wants to lay out thousands and thousands of dollars to fight it when, in fact, they may not have a snowball's chance of having the judgment enforced.''
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I also wondered if Jon's reasoning is that since he has nothing for them to take away there is no reason to use what little money he has to hire an attorney to take it to court. It is also possible that Jon did consult an attorney and was advised to do exactly what Jon did.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

But many people feel they cannot be the good father, companion, person unless they are happy at work, Ex Nurse.

Not everyone approaches life the same. I absolutely could NOT live like Kate and Jon have lived, gig to gig, job to job, no real discernible plan for the future. Trying this out, trying that out, well into my 30's and 40's. But as long as it doesn't result in abusing children or doing other hurtful or hateful acts, I don't really care if that's the approach to life that floats your boat. I just don't.

Unknown said...

Anonymous (Leslie) said... 160
''....Is BV STILL trying to out Kate's haters? And did he ever file any legal action against any of Kate's haters?''
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First question: Yes
Second question: Some of the 'haters' by name and Jane Doe(s) 1 through 5 were on the Texas lawsuit, but BV reached a pay settlement with one, and then dropped the others from the lawsuit.

Sue_Buddy said...

(Leslie) 159
I have not keep up with BV at all. I know it is all very confusing and detailed. But I have two simple questions. Is BV STILL trying to out Kate's haters? And did he ever file any legal action against any of Kate's haters?
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Confusing yes, however I wouldn't say detailed. It's more like distracting with all the repeated info and graphics and of course the comments which are mostly taunting and name calling.

I don't know if BV is still trying to out people. He's said he's only focusing on those who targeted him and his family and he seems focused in on certain people, and yes he's filed a lawsuit, one in Texas of which I haven't followed the status, and one in Calif. naming the two "R" people, one "hater" by name and several "DOES."

Roadblocks seem to be continuously thrown up to delay the case going to trial, a disgusting example of how to clog up the courts and waste the taxpayers dollars. But all involved and those merely watching closely seeming to be having a jolly good time threatening each other and calling names.

Bill said...

Beware the default judgment!

Maybe this is what happened to Jon - ignoring the suit because he did not believe it was real.

Formerly Duped said...

I really think the boys at their age did not notice or care.
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Of course not. And Target has very good store name products. I use them all the time. It's just an example of how the girls and boys are treated differently- she spent more $ on the girls' things and the pouches while the boys got baggies and no-name stuff. They wouldn't notice, but I think it's just indicative of her separation of girls' value from boys.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I agree, I think Kate plays a lot of "oh it's just the boys they don't care if they get FILL IN THE BLANK." Old lesser toiletries, hand-me-downs, iPads only after the girls have used them, other used items and hand me downs, the worst chores, etc.

The problem with that is that you better be sure you aren't mixing up they don't care with they don't think YOU care.

NJGal51 said...

@NaughtyNiceRob: Donald Trump Makes ‘Celebrity Apprentice’ Cast Pay for Mini Bar and Room Service! GREEDY HOUSEWIVES http://www.naughtygossip.com/?p=72311
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I guess if TFW wants Kobe beef for dinner it's going to be on her dime. I'm guessing that she'll be home sooner rather than later if she's got to foot the bill. Show's over tonight so checkout is probably tomorrow.

Formerly Duped said...

I agree, Admin. That's the unstated reasoning Kate always uses with the boys and I think it's true.She doesn't care.

I think the kids are a bit young for lotions, deodorants, all the stuff she had 'laid out' but it was for public view of 'what a good mom I am.".

As for the 'lotion,' once Kate said the kids have eczema, although I thought it was winter-induced. She put some lotion on the tups and covered it for the night with socks.This was the Philly episode iirc. Aaden I think had to use an worn sock.

And did you ever see such a mess when the room project was in progress, despite her signs? How hard would it be to keep the toiletries available to the kids/ takes an organized-ish person to do this I guess.

Andrea said...

Job jumping is more common in my generation. We are encouraged to stay in a job for a year before leaving. Leaving multiple jobs is frowned upon. I am currently working to show that I can have a stable work history after working a verity of temp jobs.

Also, it's hard to get a min wage job with a college degree. When I was unemployed, I applied at various places like coffee shops, book stores and target. I was told I was over qualified because I have a masters in chemistry. It was frustrating because I wanted the structure a job brings to every day life. I also wanted off unemployment. I did not want to use it all up. A minimum wage job is better then nothing.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

And with the toiletry situation, I start to wonder, which came first,
the chicken or the egg? Are they happy with "less than" because
that's what they always get anyway? Is it now ingrained in their
identities that they're "just the boys," therefore don't require much?
That part makes me concerned for them. And when they start
adult relationships, will they tolerate being treated poorly because
they're used to that, and maybe think they don't deserve better?

localyocul said...

Rhythm Of Life said... 128
MARIE ‏@MY_2BCOLLIES 5h5 hours ago
Some of the people I have a great deal of respect for is @RealZiggyFlo, @CJWhodunit, @Kateplusmy8 and James McGibney. All of whom I trust.����

This tweet says just about everything one needs to know about sheeple. It speaks volumes. VOLUMES. You are known by the company you keep (and the people you trust).

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And the grammar you use.

localyocul said...

” one cast member tells NAUGHTY GOSSIP. “Kate Gosselin can be greedy, so can those HOUSEWIVES.”

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I would love to know which castmate this is, and if it's the same one that told Rob that TFW was ignoring everyone and the reunion would be awkward...

Montréalaise said...

Sue - my criticism of Jon should not be construed as any kind of endorsement of Kate. I believe she is suffering from a serious personality disorder and her kids are not only suffering now but will continue to suffer lifelong severe emotional problems as a result of her toxic parenting. My disappointment in Jon stems from my hope that after the divorce, he would have learned from his mistakes, launched a real (non-showbiz-oriented) career, and then done whatever was necessary to get custody and remove the children from their vile mother. He obviously has no intention of doing any of that.

Tucker's Mom said...

Why would anyone align themselves with BV? He seems unhinged in his vigilante-motivated website.
There are true heroes and champions, and then there are people who are bent on punishing.
Judge and jury-style.

Mel said...

Just because someone doesn't care about whatever, doesn't mean that it's right for you to treat them as 'less than'.

I thought she was a high road taker. A high road taker does the right thing even if the other person doesn't care that much about whatever it is.

Anonymous said...

OT, an arrest warrant has been issued for Punxsutawney Phil.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/ski-resort-offers-asylum-punxsutawney-phil-police-issue/story?id=28972792

I hope the courts show no mercy when they finally nab him.

PJ

Mel said...

From the naughtygossip article: (bolding is mine)

“Celebs have been greedy in the past and Trump was putting a stop to that. The show covers hotel, cars, flights and even makeup and hair cost, but the cast needs to now cover incidental costs,” one cast member tells NAUGHTY GOSSIP. “Kate Gosselin can be greedy, so can those HOUSEWIVES.”

Now, why would anyone say TFW was greedy?? Whatever would give them that idea??
The fact that she grabbed ALL the swag bags? Or ate ALL the food? As in never *stopped* eating?

One classy lady, eh? Nice rep to have....greedy pig./

Mel said...

Think it sounds like Kate Gosselin ran up a big bill the first time she was on CA?

Anonymous said...

Tucker's Mom said... 173

Why would anyone align themselves with BV? He seems unhinged in his vigilante-motivated website.

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Why would the sheeple align themselves with a purveyor of revenge porn. That's the question I'd like to see answered.

PJ

redbirdsings said...

This Daily Mail article is from last July about TFW. My gosh, very detailed and whoever wrote it has her number. Big. Time. If all this stuff was written about me, I would be highly mortified and get the heck of the spotlight and the kids and I would be private. big. time.

http://www.naughtygossip.com/?p=72311

rainbowsandunicorns said...

And did you ever see such a mess when the room project was in progress, despite her signs?

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Yes, and I am organized. When we had hardwood floors installed, some built-ins constructed, and two additions put on, I thought I'd go nuts! I needed a little help from Jack Daniels!

redbirdsings said...

It must infuriated the Donald seeing TFW's room service bills, as well as the others. She and the housewives were singled out. I wonder if TFW's bills were the highest. I googled how much Kobe beef was a pound at NOBU and it was 150 to 300 dollars a pound.

150 to 300 families could have a Hamburger Helper meal with the 1 pound requirement of ground beef. Also read that the Obamas when they went to Hawaii at Christmas for their 17 day vacation, all went to NOBU in Hawaii. The meals average there for 180 dollars each.

So, POTUS, FLOTUS, and the kids dinner was around 800 dollars all on OUR dimes.

Anonymous said...

The problem with that is that you better be sure you aren't mixing up they don't care with they don't think YOU care.
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I do think that ship sailed a long time ago. She doesn't care, and they know it. Again, another subliminal message to her childhood. I am going to take an educated guess that the boys and girls were treated differently in the home KG grew up in. And she really doesn't care.

Looks like her invitation to the SNL anniversary show got lost in the mail. Her buddies Donald Trump and Sarah Palin were there.

OrangeCrusher

JoyinVirginia said...

Donald Trump was on Today show briefly this am, promoting CA tonight. He said that he has not made up his mind who will win yet. Other than Leeza and Geraldo, the only other contestants he mentioned were Brandi and Kenya and their feuding.
New thread to discuss the finale maybe please?

AuntieAnn said...

Why would the sheeple align themselves with a purveyor of revenge porn. That's the question I'd like to see answered.

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Because Kate aligned herself with the dirtbag. They didn't know the guy existed until Kate climbed into bed with him. Idiots.

AuntieAnn said...

Formerly Duped said... 34

That was when Jon's 'office' was inside an open closet with a mirror so Kate could keep tabs on him. I found that very weird!

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WTF? I must have missed that one. I guess a guy who charges lunch on his credit card and doesn't tell his wife simply cannot be trusted. Even in the closet. lol. What.A.Bitch.

Rhymes with Witch said...

Why would the sheeple align themselves with a purveyor of revenge porn. That's the question I'd like to see answered. 174

Because he is/was pro Kate. That's the only thing that matters to them.
Sad, isn't it?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Many people commented that TFW seemed coached in her CA
appearance, and was a bit more articulate and less "umm-ish."
I wonder if that coaching is provided by the show? You have
these people from disparate backgrounds, with different areas of
expertise -- you certainly can't expect them all to be well spoken.
And I don't think it would serve the show or the network or the
Donald to have a bunch of knuckleheads on camera week after
week. Just a thought!

Rhymes with Witch said...

Karen Kaufman 154 - nicely stated.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Am I the only one grinning at the prospect of TFW getting a
$27 bill for a mini-bar Milky Way?

Call Me Crazy said...

We ought to have a Hawaiian Tshirt party beach theme to warm up the endless snowbound folks.

We can all show up in our bikinis and I'll host since it's 80 here today and it's a national holiday on Monday.
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It was a balmy 1 degree here this morning, so count me in for the beach party. Not so much for the bikini, though. My days of wearing an itsy bitsy, teenie weenie, yellow polka-dot bikini are well behind me, as the current behind of me would prove!!

And Millicent (150), I'm glad you spoke up. I was thinking the very same thing.

Mel said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 176
Many people commented that TFW seemed coached in her CA
appearance, and was a bit more articulate and less "umm-ish."


There's an idea. I can't see TFW initiating that kind of coaching for herself, because she doesn't see anything wrong with the way she is. She's perfect. She needs no improvement in any way.

Math Girl said...

Since Target has been mentioned here a lot, I thought I'd update you on what has happened to Target Canada. Target came into Canada with great fanfare in 2013. They took over the leases of the Zeller's (a Canadian-based but recently US-owned alternative to WalMart) stores, closed them all, and remodeled and re-opened about half of them as Targets. Canadian consumers were really excited, only to be disappointed at the high prices and lack of merchandise. They are now closing all the Canadian stores, leaving landlords, employees, and suppliers on the hook. Target Canada was set up as a separate company, so they are going bankrupt and paying their suppliers only a portion of what they're owed. They have graciously agreed to subordinate the "debt" Target Canada owes to Target USA.

I think this whole thing stinks. They used the Target USA name and reputation, but really messed up and are walking away leaving others to pay for their mistakes. And oh, the execs responsible got severance and bonuses equal to more than the funds set aside to pay all the employees for the next two months of the liquidation process. The employees are getting nothing except that they will be paid for any work they do. How gracious.

I wonder if Target will see an impact in their US stores near the Canadian border? I certainly hope they do.

In our town, the Zeller's was closed but was replaced by a "Real Canadian Superstore" instead of Target. People are still mourning Zeller's, as the Superstore has a much smaller range of merchandise than Zeller's had (more than half of floor space is groceries), but the Superstore is booming. Wal-Mart likewise. Thank goodness we were "beneath" Target.

Mel said...

localyocul said... 173
.... I would love to know which castmate this is, and if it's the same one that told Rob that TFW was ignoring everyone and the reunion would be awkward...


Yep. We know it's not TFW saying that, and not one of the HouseWives.
I can't see Leeza saying anything negative (she being the most diplomatic person ever).
I can't see the Olympians having any interest (they both seemed over it before they even started), and the first person fired wasn't there long enough to know about TFW being greedy.

It sounds like a man talking, not a woman, anyway. It sounds like someone who was on a longer time.

Probably not Johnny, or Sig. Ian maybe, but he seemed pretty self-absorbed.

My vote is Geraldo or Lorenzo.
Probably Geraldo. He's the one I can see referring to some of the women as 'those HouseWives'.
He seemed somewhat appalled by them. Especially that boardroom fight when he was seated between them. That was just agony for him...it was written all over his face.

Mel said...

I love that the headline to the naughtygossip article says "...GREEDY HOUSEWIVES".

Nothing about Greedy Gosselin. Teehee.

Tucker's Mom said...

Mel said... 178
From the naughtygossip article: (bolding is mine)

“Celebs have been greedy in the past and Trump was putting a stop to that. The show covers hotel, cars, flights and even makeup and hair cost, but the cast needs to now cover incidental costs,” one cast member tells NAUGHTY GOSSIP. “Kate Gosselin can be greedy, so can those HOUSEWIVES.”

Now, why would anyone say TFW was greedy?? Whatever would give them that idea??
The fact that she grabbed ALL the swag bags? Or ate ALL the food? As in never *stopped* eating?

One classy lady, eh? Nice rep to have....greedy pig./
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Kate hasn't met a swag bag she didn't like. She's alllllll about the freebies.

Tucker's Mom said...

The invite also tells all guests to wear a warm coat as the entrance line is located outdoors – OUCH

*****
Quick, someone give Kate a moose hotdog to throw!

Tucker's Mom said...

AuntieAnn said... 187
Formerly Duped said... 34

That was when Jon's 'office' was inside an open closet with a mirror so Kate could keep tabs on him. I found that very weird!

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WTF? I must have missed that one. I guess a guy who charges lunch on his credit card and doesn't tell his wife simply cannot be trusted. Even in the closet. lol. What.A.Bitch.
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Yup, that's when Jon was "working from home" and enrolling for State Farm Insurance.
Cough, cough, hawk, hawk.

Tucker's Mom said...

If Kate ordered the way she does when filming, then she ran up a HUGE bill.
I'm betting that she expected Donald to pay for Steve, too.
I wonder if Donald paid for Steve "in another hotel".

Mel said...

Call Me Crazy said... 192
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And Millicent (150), I'm glad you spoke up. I was thinking the very same thing.


Yeah. Me, too. I enjoy reading all the different perspectives.

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