Friday, March 13, 2015

Recap: Celebrity Apprentice top moments and Episode 7: They think that we're through, but, baby, you'll be swell! You'll be great!

Before kicking off the final episodes of The Celebrity Apprentice, they treat us to a little clip show featuring, in short, their most "OMG!" momentsI could just skip this. But since watching this show is such a delicious guilty pleasure and these top moments helped make it so, it deserves a recap.

You would think Celebrity Apprentice is I-an what with how impressed they are with how wonderfully amazing they have been over the years. Look at all the celebrities, look at all the drama, look at all the crazy. Look at....Gary Busey. Just a warning, people like Gary Busey make the likes of Kate look like Dorothy Gale. Trump has never hesitated to put the true mentally ill on his cast, and predictably, antics always ensue.

We start with the top five feuds, and first up is none other than Geraldo getting into it with that chump of a Jonas brother Kevin. Lol, that was a good one indeed. Geraldo is ranting to Jonas about something or other and Jonas tells him there is a "five-second rule," you should wait five seconds before jumping into a conversation you just walked into. I thought the "five-second rule" is for when you drop your pizza, I think he's mixing this up. In any case, Geraldo feels lectured at, and storms out of the room still ranting and cursing. Hehe.


Next up, Nene, who surprisingly, I rather liked, and that idiot tool Star Jones. When Star Jones tried to tell Nene that Nene was going to be PM, Nene flipped out on her, accusing her of "playing her." Haha, I'd forgotten about Ivanka's face, which is basically like "ehhhh!"

At number three is Latoya Jackson and Omarosa, the original Apprentice villain and proof positive even the White House can make a hiring mistake. Things were going along just like a normal fight when Latoya made the fatal error of telling Omarosa to be quiet. Latoya's voice sounds the way I think a Precious Moments figurine's voice would sound. If they could speak.


I think what really made the fight so good was fellow contestant Lil John's commentary on it, explaining that when a black woman cocks her head to the side and puts her hand on her hip, which both women did almost simultaneously, you know there's trouble. Hehe.

Number two is Meatloaf vs. Garey Busey. I vividly remember this fight, and as I recall it was more frightening than funny, with Meatloaf about to burst a ventricle over this. The fight was over who moved my cheese, by the way. Or art supplies. Ultimately Meatloaf shed some man tears and the two hugged it out.

The number one fight was Omarosa again, this time versus Piers Morgan. When Piers said if Omarosa worked at the White House she must have been a cleaner, Omarosa walked over to him and calmly dumped an entire glass of champagne on his head. Hey, I have all the respect in the world for those who clean that particular house, that looks like hard work. The feud continued over the course of the season and even beyond, with Omarosa taking pot shots at his kids and making "your mama" jokes, and Piers calling her a tramp and making some snide remark about her natural habitat. Oy vey.

You know for all its trashiness, I don't think this is the worst reality show an older kid could watch. At least if your child watches one of these trashy feuds, you can say, now what do you think Jonas brother could do differently to collaborate with Geraldo? Or was Omarosa's reaction helpful or not helpful? Surprisingly, there's some lessons in teamwork to be found here. There's not much sex on this show or at least when there is it's all innuendo, and all of the swearing is bleeped out. Plus, consequences are shown for outrageous behavior. As in it often gets you fired, like Kenya. Those who keep it together, like Leeza, do well. It's one of those shows where the villain ultimately never wins, and that's good.

Next, we're going to look at some of Trump's favorite "fails." Hehe, hashtag failing!

Number four is our very own Kenya and her stupid King's Hawaiian buns on your buns campaign. The baby aspect of their campaign was super creepy and creeped out all the executives. While that was a really bad idea, I'm kind of surprised it made the top four. I know I've seen much worse on this show.

Number three deserves its spot. It's when Dennis Rodman signed off on misspelling Trump's wife's name, Melania, on all their graphics for a perfume campaign. He had it as Milania. Poor Brande Roderick had to present the screwed-up graphics to the panel, which included Melania herself. Funny how Brande acted like nothing was wrong nothing to see here, folks, yet you could practically watch the little bead of sweat dripping down her temple. I like the little "what-what???" double take Melania did when she saw the error, lol. Dennis must be joking trying not to get fired in this situation, not with Melania's husband in charge of who goes. He was toast from the moment he approved that little "i."

Number two is Clint Black's totally disgusting idea for a laundry detergent commercial. His video makes the suggestion that two parents would use the product as lube during sex. It's sort of a long story to get there that you don't need to know. Even Joan Rivers, who would not hesitate to make fun of pretty much anything, like even the deaf, thought the whole thing was "a disgrace." When Joan Rivers thinks you've gone too far, guess what, you've gone too far. Clint starred in the video, too. Ewww. The executives thought it was almost like porn, yuck. Which, it totally was.

The number one fail was Gary Busey's mechanical dog idea for an LG campaign, culminating in him barking at Trump in the boardroom. The biggest problem with this was it simply didn't make any sense. "I don't understand," poor Penn Jillette said, unable to control his giggles. Penn and Lisa Rinna, who are much smarter than the average contestant, tried their best to salvage this clusterfuck, but there was no turning back.

By the way introducing all these segments is Trump himself, looking less orange than usual, sitting on that silly leather red throne.

Next are the top four earners on this show. Ian vs. Geraldo collectively raised $600,000 on a wedding dress challenge. Ian lost by only $2,000, and because Braveheart and Mr. Peanut are gentlemen, they agreed to split the cash.

Out of the blue, Paul Teutul Sr.'s team raised over $332,000 selling sandwiches, with over $304,000 coming from Paul himself. Total dark horse. Paul gave the money to Make-a-Wish, and simultaneously put other reality stars to shame, proving even a D-lister can fundraise.

Number two is Trace Adkins's radical, though rather brilliant, idea to close their meatball shop to the general public and only open it to their big check donors. It makes so much sense I'm shocked no one else has done it since, although Geraldo has come close on his fundraising tasks. Don't waste anyone's time trying to schmooze and serve the general public, who may only bring in a few hundred dollars each tops. Everyone's efforts should be on working the phones and chasing down the high rollers. If the same amount of effort (or in some cases, less) is needed to collect $10,000 versus $100, it makes perfect sense to completely forget the $100's and only expend effort on the $10,000's. The plan worked, and over $400,000 was raised for the American Red Cross. By the way, that's what Brandi was trying to say when she complained about Kate spending so much energy schmoozing the general public at their pie shop. It doesn't help anything. In fact, it's a complete waste of time. The task was not to create the best pie shop restaurant, in which case what she did would be beneficial. The task was raise money, period. Unfortunately Kate skated by again that time, but Trace just proved that Brandi was spot owwwn. This was back in the days of two-hour episodes where they had time to actually show Trace presenting the check to the Red Cross right in the field, which was nice.

Number one is John Rich and my all-time favorite contestant of all, Marlee Matlin! For those who like to brush this show off as just a bunch of D-listers, stop right there. Yes, there are plenty of D listers filling in the gaps, but Trump's managed to book some real legends like Marlee, a brilliant actress and Oscar winner. Without a doubt Marlee is one of the greatest actresses of our generation, and certainly the greatest deaf actress there probably ever was. There are A-list celebs like Marlee out there who are not above doing this because it's for charity, any publicity is good publicity, and their ego isn't so inflated that they care about showing their face on a dumb T.V. show. (You can tell some people on this show are mortified they had to resort to this.)  Not only was Marlee sharp as a tack, but she was downright hysterical too, full of one-liners and zingers about her fellow contestants or the situations she found herself in, all delivered through her trusty interpreter and business partner, Jack Jason. As Stephen Hawking has an American accent that just seems to fit him, so too does Jack's clearly masculine voice somehow fit Marlee like a glove. Apparently, Marlee has been known to tell people, through Jack of course, that she can hear on Tuesdays. You know, just because she feels like messing with them. And who could forget her brilliant guest appearance on Seinfeld, in which George and Jerry ask her to use her talent for lip reading to spy on George's ex. "Sure, I'll do it!" Lol. For a deaf woman to have such a firm grasp of comedic timing without ever having "heard" a comedian deliver a joke, is really astounding.

Also, her face when that idiot Star Jones tried to whisper over her shoulder to her? Lol.
Rich proved he is a celeb who is sincerely interested in their charity by inviting a St. Jude patient to stop by. Little Collin was cute as a button. Together, Rich and Marlee raised 1.6 million dollars, with Marlee edging him out raising almost a million. With that, she became the celebrity who holds the record as most money ever raised by a celebrity in one sitting not just on this show, but any show. A lot of deaf children have state of the art hearing aids thanks to her. And that's a television legacy worth putting in the history books.

Next up is the top five boardroom backstabs, hehe. 

Naturally Joan Rivers's epic duel with Annie Duke is on the list at number five. Joan's insults were colorful as usual, stuff like, "this woman will spit and drown her mother in it" to get ahead. Heh. When Trump suggested Annie is nice, Joan retorted, "so was Hitler." Yipe! They don't show the best part of this feud that happened some time later, when Melissa eventually gets fired instead of Annie, and hobbles around in her walker boot because I guess she broke her ankle at some point, ranting and raving things like "whore" and such. Then Joan grabs her fur coat and gigantic purse and storms out in some kind of furious Mama bear rage. Joan Rivers had actually transformed into Rose Hovick right then. Good ole Joan, thanks for the best guilty pleasure cat fight ever and may you rest in peace.

Number four is Vincent Pastore vs. Piers Morgan. Wow, Piers is showing up a lot on these lists. I think he's quite good at getting under peoples' skin. He knows exactly what he's doing. Vincent was very upset that Piers made him spy on the women's team. It insulted his honor I suppose. And also it didn't help that Piers called him a fat Italian. This all ended with Vincent practically threatening to see to it Piers was offed, and I don't mean just off the show. I mean offed-offed. Well, that was a bit scary. I'd hate to see Piers have to be skirted away to Norway or something for his own protection!

Number three, Richard Hatch vs. David Cassidy. Well that alone is quite funny. I hope no one breaks a nail. It's a little confusing what this was about, but Richard says something about how he has been accused of picking on little people. What? Lol! That sends Nene, Lisa Rinna, and the rest of the women's team into absolute hysterics. Little people, lol! Hehe, that was funny. I think Richard meant picking on people more vulnerable, but little people is so synonymous with dwarfism these days I think that's the first thing most people think. Even Marlee can't help giggling. In other news, it's crazy how much that "I just wanna fly" guy Mark McGrath looks like Ethan Hawke. I bet he gets confused for him a lot in public, which I imagine is a blow to the ego.


Number two is from Kate's season, Kenya vs. Vivica. Yeah, that deserves a spot. Cell phone-gate, of course. Kenya took, sorry stole, Vivica's phone, tweeted about menopause, and then tried to pretend she had nothing to do with it. It took Vivica way too long to figure this out, especially given, you know, her phone was missing. When she finally solved the oh-so-complicated puzzle, boy was she ticked off at that "dirty-ass bitch" and "low-down dirty bird." Hehe, I guess Vivica really thinks Kenya needs a bath. Hard to imagine what will top this one, but here it is.

Piers Morgan vs. Omarosa again, of course. Omarosa said he was a terrible father, and Piers said she was trash. That fight was low I guess, but not nearly as interesting as say Rose Hovick vs. the Queen of Hearts or Vincent threatening to stick Whitey Bulger on Piers. Wow, Carol Alt is sheer elegance. I don't even think she's had much work done. She looks so out of place among these doofuses. Or doofi. She looks like how I imagine Duchess Kate will look at her age. You know, keeping it classy.


All these clips make me want to rewatch some of these seasons. I haven't seen them since they aired and some of them were so good!

Trump tries to explain he hates firing people. Please Trump, you love it. This show found its success on the "you're fired" tag line, remember when that was as popular as "hashtag winning!"?

The top five most memorable firings are:

Number five, firing that doofus Kevin Jonas. He made the absolutely suicidal choice of bringing a strong player into the boardroom, I-an, instead of who he should have brought back, the weaker Lorenzo. Except he made a huge mistake in assuming he was as strong as Ian. Oopsie. I guess this would have been an amazing strategic power play had he actually pulled it off, but since he didn't, it's nothing but a flat whoopee cushion.  This cherry-cheeked little doughboy couldn't have a bigger ego, and actually thought he could out-think Trump. You're fired!

Number four is what I consider an absolutely classic Apprentice firing. If you don't know why Celebrity Apprentice is the best bad show on television, this is the clip to watch. It's amazing how far Ivanka has come in just a few short years. What the hell is Ivanka rocking here? She's got her hair parted in these weird chunks on either side of her head, huge rectangle white earrings that look more like that missing piece to your blinds you've been looking for that fell behind the desk, and some sort of cape-like dark purple regal kind of ensemble. She's so much classier now, much simpler yet stylish. Girls, there is such a big difference in our styles between 25 and 30, can I get an Amen? Conversely, Trump looked much better back then, his hair a sort of brown shade the color a human might actually be able to grow on their own in the natural world.  Anyway, the crux of this is Trump practically told Gene Simmons who to bring back into the boardroom so that he could fire someone other than Gene, who for some odd reason Trump loves. Trump always loves the strangest people. But since Gene is Gene, instead he brought back two people who did nothing wrong on the task. Trump was so annoyed at the way Gene tied Trump's hands, you would think his eyes were going to squint right out of his head. Gene, I have no choice, you're fired.

The number three firing is kind of sad, in which Dennis Rodman admits he has a drinking problem which seems to be interfering with the game. The other contestants were rather supportive, which was nice. Hey, an Ed Hardy hat! Those were the days. Trump says Dennis let him down and lets him go. I quite like how Trump handled that situation, because I think it's usually better for addicts to hear that you really screwed up and I'm disappointed, as opposed to things like "I don't mind, don't worry, it's going to be okay."

Lol, number two is Ian's firing. Trump's reaction to his jingle was so funny just because it had to have been everyone's reaction at home too. Wtf, that's La Cucaracha! Lol. Ian gaslights so hard that you can smell it. I still laugh when Eric tells his dad yes Dad you're right, and Trump just replies, "Good son." You're fired!

Oh, number one is Melissa getting fired instead of Annie Duke, and hobbling around in her boot while Mom storms out behind her. No wonder they didn't include this epic clip earlier, that explains it. They were saving it for now! At one point there is so much cursing/bleeping going on all I can make out is ----- lying ----- horse------. They think that you're through, baby, but you'll be swell! In honor of Rose Hovick here, I give you the greatest stage mother of them all, Rosalind Russell as Rose singing "Everything's Coming up Roses."

Finally we do an overview of the winners, which are Piers Morgan, who was a high roller with no shame whose tactics were pretty aggressive. That's generally a sure way to get to the end on this show. The next winner was Joan Rivers. She didn't quit for good after all, she came back with an incredible focus and drive and used her wits and experience in all things showbiz to beat out her nemesis Annie Duke. I think Joan Rivers is just a classic example of how you don't need to be the prettiest girl in the room, or the smartest, or the tallest, or the most stylish.  But, you do need to be the hardest working if you don't have that. Fill up your calendar all day every day with work. And if you work damn hard at it, I mean writing-down-and-cataloguing-every-single-joke-you-ever-thought-of hard, you can get good at anything. In fact, better than everyone else eventually when it all shakes out. Malcolm Gladwell agrees.

Brett Michaels was the next winner. He was a bit softer spoken than most other winners, but he was darn determined. He beat Holly Robinson Peete, who is as sharp as they come. Apparently, she's a gem. I know one of her son's teachers, and she says Holly once invited the entire class all over to their mansion for a pool party, teachers and all. They're good people.

John Rich was the next winner. I was disappointed Marlee Matlin didn't win, but there's no denying that John was a tough, smart, work horse type player. It was quite possibly the hardest choice Trump ever had to make, given John and Marlee were easily the best players to ever, ever grace this show then and now. But for John on that season, it would have been Marlee.

Arsenio Hall won his season next, which I was pleased with for the simple fact that I didn't really like Clay Aiken that much. As I recall, Clay was very patronizing and not as good as he thought he was.

Trace Atkins won next, another softer-spoken winner but work horse and good fundraiser. He was willing to try some pretty risky ideas, and they paid off. He played the game to win, which is generally how you win, wouldn't you know it. See, good guy always wins. 

We're finally up to this current season, here we go! Last time on Celebrity Apprentice, Ian's nuttiness finally caught up, and their jingle absolutely sucked. Leeza and Vivica came up with a much better jingle, with a few lines from Geraldo that actually worked, the executives couldn't even find anything wrong with their jingle, and Team Vortex finally wins after five straight losses.

Trump fired the entire other team, Brandi, Ian and Johnny, which was bullshit, but I'm over it.

Vivica, Leeza and Geraldo are waiting in the suite to find out who got fired, and nobody is coming back. Leeza says it's been hours now.  I completely forgot about the fact that if everybody gets fired, no one will come back to tell them what happened. So they're sitting here thinking this must be the most agonizing decision of Trump's life, hehe! I guess a producer will have to tell them at some point.

Finally the phone rings. Leeza approaches it like she's about to dismantle a bomb, lol, she's so scared. "Team Vortex?" she says as she picks it up. Hehe, that's just adorable. If you're going to play this game, you might as well just get into it.

Trump's receptionist says he wants them in the boardroom. "At least it's not Vladimir Putin," Geraldo says. Heh, current events jokes. Welcome to the nerds club.

Poor things, they must be wondering if he's going to fire them too or something. They all seem pretty happy the other team got offed, which surprises me. I thought they all liked Brandi and Johnny and would at least miss them.

Trump puts them on the spot right there and then and says he's going to pick the final two now, and starts asking them questions like why they should be the next Apprentice. So in essence, four people will get fired in one sitting. I have a feeling this has far more to do with Trump being ordered by NBC to tighten up this season so they can streamline it into just a few short weeks, rather than Trump seriously wanting to off four people at once. A mass firing is a quick and easy way to cut things down without any fuss, done.

Can I just say that I hate this aspect of reality shows when it happens? You know, the interview. It's like watching a senior in college meet the boss for the first time at a real job. It's always so awkward and amateur. British Apprentice devotes an entire episode to the interview each season, and it's like nails on a chalkboard to me. Something awful or awkward always happens, always. Even if someone can interview well, they're so darn nervous and put on the spot it never ends well. I don't think I've ever seen a single interview under these circumstances go well.

Vivica says lame stuff like she has more to learn from Trump, and since Geraldo and Leeza are the smartest on this cast, they very slyly team up against Vivica to try to get her fired. Very sharp to team up after the weaker player.

Then Vivica does something completely nuts and says that Leeza is a better player than her, she can't lie. What is with this season? I've never seen so many contestants fall on the sword for each other, from Lorenzo to Brandi to now Vivica. There was clearly some kind of bizarre and intense bonding going on in the suites during production, with some of these people absolutely adamant they've come out of it friends for life. I've never seen anything like it on this show.

Even Leeza looks shocked and is like, what, no, don't do it!

Trump seems to accept Vivica's letter of resignation and even sort of respects her for it, and fires her. Sigh, I don't get that. There is so much more money to potentially win for your charity. It's one thing to quit when Lorenzo did, but you made it to the top three! Why quit now? That's crazy. I definitely put the odds that this was completely set up and scripted as just a quick way to get rid of Vivica, at about 60-40. It's that blatantly scripted. It's so hard to imagine Vivica doing that out of the blue, especially when she had no idea two minutes ago why they were even in the boardroom in the first place. She just thought of this as she was sitting there? Odd. Even if she truly did just decide to do this, this should not be something you decide in two minutes. It's too big of a decision to quit, and too much is at stake for your charity. She didn't think about this carefully, there's no way she did, and for that she disappoints.

For the final task Trump is sending them to Florida on his private jet (ha-ha, suck it, Kate) to make a commercial about Univeral. Okay, I am now convinced Geraldo thinks autistic is pronounced "artistic." He's said it that way about five times now. Malaprop confirmed. What a doofus.

Note that Trump said they should invite all of their celebrity friends. All! Aw, think somebody will invite Doofus?

Trump says the money raised is just going to be one factor, he will judge them on a bunch of other things too. I like that so much, it's so much more fair. Being a good fundraiser is a nice skill but an Apprentice should be much more well-rounded than that. Plus Leeza is screwed if it's only about money, and perhaps this was set up from the get-go for her to win, so they can't have that.

Leeza and Geraldo have sort of a journalist's code going on between them. Leeza emphasizes that they've known each other forever, which doesn't surprise me. They may both report on a lot of entertainment news and pop culture and perhaps aren't taken that seriously, but they are both among the pioneers of modern television journalism, and that's a small world. This is a gentleman's duel to them, and even if you end up shot you will still shake your opponent's hand and say good fight. Since when did this show get so darn civil?

All right, I'll allow myself to be "just jelluz" of this jet. Airplanes have become such disgusting cattle cars these days, how nice it must be to be the only two passengers on your own little shuttle. Leeza and Geraldo board and set off in style to Orlando. I find Geraldo's mustache really gross up close. It looks like a brillo pad. Ew, stop twisting it.

Geraldo seems to think his charity is the only one to have the idea of getting the mentally disabled out of institutions. He acts like everybody else must stay in a giant 800-bed hospital in the polluted part of town. That's not the case at all, not in 2015. There are group homes everywhere now. In certain communities like mine where zoning allows for it, you can find one on every corner and they often just look like someone's house. And in fact many autistic people live at home with family. I don't think it's that he doesn't realize this, or is deliberately lying. I think it's that he is one of those who just says things and lives his own truth without really being concerned with whether it's really factual or not. He's rather like a politician, actually. Only what is he running for? To be "the best," I suppose.

Woo-hoo, some of the fired contestants are back to help and it's not Kate, baw-hahhaha! I absolutely love that Kate is not included in this. Brandi, Johnny and Jonas brother will be on Leeza's team. Of course Jonas brother feels he has so much more to show and give. Well, we've definitely seen all sides of that silly little ego of his, I wonder what else he could possibly have in there.

Leeza has a good idea to do a "memories" theme, which ties in nicely with her Alzheimer's charity. She is going to try to get Olivia Newton John to come sing for her. Okay, Olivia Newton John is totally in the same group of friends I know who know Leeza. See, they really are true friends, and have been so for decades. I never met Olivia or Leeza, but I heard so much about them I felt like I had. Olivia was the type who preferred to have people over at her house instead of going to somebody else's, so people were always flocking over there. Of course since I was mostly friends with the "kids" in this family not the adults, us kids would end up staying behind while the old folks had all the fun off with the celebs. Olivia's daughter who is my age was trying to build her own music career. Some of my college friends who had videography experience helped her out with making some music videos and things like that. Chloe was a nice girl, I don't think she ever made it though like she wanted to. Like many children of celebrities, she doesn't have that same unexplainable spark her mom does. She is pretty and talented, but so are lots of people. It takes something more than that. It is tough to be in the shadow of someone like Olivia. Anyway, my two degrees of separation to Leeza is turning out to be good fun.

I guess the only worry I would have here is that Olivia Newton John, as nice of a woman she is, is kind of dated. I'm not even sure many younger folks know who she is. I don't know if she has the kind of broad appeal that would attract a broad audience. Leeza admits Olivia is a friend but doesn't disclose that Olivia is one of her best friends, nor does she have to disclose that, but I know that in fact she is, and I wonder if that is coloring her judgement.

Ian, Vivica and Lorenzo will be on Geraldo's team. Haha, that's two contestants fired before Kate who are back to help, Lorenzo and Jonas brother. Where is Doofus? How do the sheeple explain this oversight?

In the past, celebs have picked from a selection of former contestants, schoolyard style. I really wanted to see Kate have to stand there and not be picked and hobble herself home empty handed in coach. But I suppose it's just as much fun to imagine the producers not even giving her the phone call to show up for the pick in the first place. I wonder how long she waited by the phone for that call to never come like she does when the kids go to Jon's.

Geraldo is not so happy to have Lorenzo and Ian on his team since he didn't really get along with either of them. Ian says look, he was trying to get Geraldo out of this game since day one, but it didn't work out. That doesn't mean he's not going to work darn hard for him. That's how a mature adult handles such a situation, of course. That's a big reason why Kate flew under the radar for so long, because better players like Ian were much more worried about the big fish.

I do have to say Leeza has the much stronger team when it comes to brainstorming ideas. Geraldo's ideas are always lame, and they already sound lame here, with Geraldo acting as a reporter who leads the kids into the Harry Potter thing. He will even dress up as Harry. Geriatric Harry I guess? Oh, yeah, kids will love to follow after a creepy old Harry Potter growing an ill-advised mustache. Geez, Geraldo, think.

Back to Leeza's team, and they're hashing out their good ideas. Leeza is so much better than anyone else on this season's show it's embarrassing. She fits right in with the likes of Marlee and John.  She's using buzzwords like axis point and hook that smart people realize is important to hit on in a project like this. This is about more than just putting together a video. It's about understanding what makes a commercial work, and then executing that. Leeza gets that. Few other doofuses on this show would.

Jonas has a rather great idea of an over-scheduled Dad who finally learns to relax at Universal. It's simple and I'm pretty sure it's been done before, but it's completely effective. They meet with the executives who are going to let them film in the park.

Ian is extremely proud of himself for coming up with questions that Leeza's team didn't think of to ask the executives. Lol, he's a trip. Geraldo's ideas have to do with "inner hero" as a theme, buzzwords the executives actually used. Not bad either.

I'm shallow and notice Jonas brother is so pale and doughy just walking around, I wish he would just pick one and either grow a beard or shave it off, and his style is just downright dowdy with lots of sweaters and patterned pastel shirts. I can see him maturing into a completely ugly 35-year-old man and terrible dresser. And, he's proven to be a tool. The kids these days could do so much better.

I guess they are scouting a bit at a pool and Leeza's friend calls in with a big donation which excites her greatly. Wow, there are a fuckety-million (shoutout to Tucker!) fans everywhere staring and taking photos. I guess it's not every day you were just going to get on the Tilt-a-Whirl and you bumped into Leeza Gibbons and a Jonas brother instead.

Tee-hee, Brandi and Johnny play hooky to go get some beer and hot dogs. I love them. Jonas thinks he needs to get a leash for them like his parents did to him. His parents put him on a leash? That explains a lot. What's next, they killed his pet bunnies too? Geez. Leeza's kind of like whatever let's not worry about where they are. Because let's be honest Leeza is running this show and whether anyone else shows up to the party doesn't really concern her that much. I mean she appreciates the help but she could run it on her own too, so it doesn't matter to her. I find it interesting to see how differently Leeza and Jonas brother reacted to two teammates gone missing. Leeza doesn't let something like that distract her for a second. Certainly throughout her career lots of people have not been up to snuff but if she spent all her time worrying about them it would only hurt herself, and she's smart enough to know it. On the other hand, Jonas brother is young, naive, dumb, and a stickler for the rules. He is very concerned with others, what they're up to, and the kind of weight they are pulling, so hot dog and beer-gate bothers him so much more and holds him back from doing what he needs to do. I think it's obvious which approach is more successful.

Haha, Brandi and Johnny are actually in fact doing absolutely nothing, just chit-chatting and drinking. I wonder what led up to this. Were they just like, "Eehhh, I'm bored, you? It's not like we're getting fired so, fuck it, right? Hot dog?" Lol, so great.

Geraldo seems much more concerned with the selling/donation part of this task in which they have to sell vacation packages. This is kind of bad because Ian has already tapped most of his donors for ridiculous amounts, and Lorenzo and Vivica aren't going to be much help.

I think Geraldo would look so much better if he just cut about two inches off his hair. He's just so shaggy and it's not attractive. Geraldo goes back to his old standbys at Fox and such and seems to be making a bit of headway.

Over at Leeza's team, Brandi and Johnny have full bellies and are perhaps slightly tipsy but ready to work. Leeza is explaining that she is going to send them back to the park for something or other. Oh nice, they could go for hot dog number two. Lol, speaking of food, there's a huge half-eaten hamburger and fries in front of Brandi and Johnny, too. Taking a page from Kate there I see, hehe. You can tell how much more relaxed Brandi is now that she has nothing on the line. She's more like how she is on her housewife show, just sort of floating along kind of a hot mess. Apparently she really thrives when something is at stake. Not so much when all there is to do is eat the free food, get filmed doing so, and lend a hand if you can.

Leeza taps some of her previous donors and scores another big donation.

Brandi says she has never met a kinder person who never once has not given 100%. That is so lovely to hear. Leeza is exactly the sort of celebrity who benefits astronomically from a stint on this show in terms of their good will and image. People who know her know she is the greatest and they've told other people like me how cool she is, but news doesn't travel far in this case and other than that small group I don't think anyone else really had a clue who Leeza is other than that she can explain the entertainment news of the day to you in an orderly fashion. Now thanks to this show, millions know her as one of the nicest, kindest, most genuine celebrities there ever was. It has been nothing but good for her.

Conversely, Jonas brother is clearly a fool, and there is no way I would have realized that before this show or even thought much on him. I guarantee I will never be able to hear the surname Jonas again without thinking of what a doofus Kevin was on this show.

Leeza says she's not going to worry about Geraldo because her mother once told her to stay in her lane and do not look at the other horses running the race. That's wise. Bless her dear mother's wonderful heart and may she rest in peace. And that's another thing that makes Leeza great. She listens to Mom.


Jonas brother actually has a good point in that they're probably not going to beat Geraldo on fundraising any day of the week but that's okay because the task is also about the creative side, where they can smoke him. I give him credit for keeping Leeza focused on her strengths and not worry about the part of the task she's not going to beat Geraldo at. He's right, don't waste too much time on something that's a wash. Focus on where you can make the most difference and win that way.

Vivica and Lorenzo go off to scout Universal for Geraldo's team. I remember Lorenzo is a strong director so Geraldo may have more of an edge on this than I thought. This part is sort of like a mini commercial for Universal hidden within the show. It used to bother me shows did this but since this has happened for over ten years from now I think I've come to accept it. I get it, product placements are just a part of reality shows now.

Back in the war room Geraldo is trying to figure out who his entertainment will be. What, Ian who has a rolodex the size of a small country doesn't have any good rock bands up his sleeve? You mean he doesn't even know a guy who knows a guy....who knows another guy? Hehe.


That was a little shoutout to Better Call Saul, probably one of the best shows on television this spring. Even though I loved the character of Saul on Breaking Bad and appreciated the attention to detail, at the same time I felt it was one of the show's weaker points, just because it got a little hokey at times, silly, not believable. I expected his spinoff show to be like that, but thankfully it's really not. This latest episode exploring Saul's "guy" Mike's roots, and how his police career ended, almost plays out like a really good Breaking Bad fan fiction with overarching themes like fathers and sons and how far you will go to avenge a wrong against someone you loved. It's a show for fans, for sure, and it's very, very good. Dare I say they've improved on the memorable lawyer character by leaps and bounds.

Geraldo thinks he might be able to get Josh Groban, but he's not sure. And this is why Geraldo is such a bad-idea idiot, he says if they can't get Josh maybe they could sing themselves. Oh good, Lord. No, Geraldo. Just no.

Yep, Geraldo is just as creepy as I imagined dressed up like Harry Potter.

Lorenzo calls him the X factor. Yeah, pretty much.

Leeza nails down Olivia Newton John, who is ready to hop on a plane right now and come out. That's because she and Leeza are actually best friends in real life. They kind of play it like Leeza can't believe she would do this, but dollars to donuts I bet they had an arrangement Olivia would help her out on the last task if needed. It's too coincidental somebody who always has a full calendar would be so available.

Johnny and Brandi are supposed to be shopping but get bored again and decide to take a roller coaster ride, lol. I wish they cared a little bit more about focusing on helping Leeza, but they're funny just the same. This is also another mini commercial for Universal of course. Brandi is excited about how big her boobs look in the photo they took of them on the roller coaster. Yep, that's Brandi. They come back empty handed? Haha. Because Leeza is never stopped by anything going wrong, she just laughs this off and moves on. She has no time for this. That is because she is a rockstar who would never let antics like this stop her for a second.

Jonas brother, on the other hand, is quietly brooding over all this, getting more annoyed the more Brandi and Johnny goof off. What does he care? If Leeza is not mad what right does he have to be upset? It's not his project. See as I explained before, for him it's about keeping score and making sure it's "fair" and that everyone pulls their weight and petty stuff like that. You can worry about that if you like, but it's usually a waste of time and isn't going to change people who don't feel like stepping up. All it does is slow you down. What a shame he doesn't see that.

Over at Geraldo's team, Geraldo has already set up the first shot for the commercial, and it's completely different than what Lorenzo has meticulously planned out. Lorenzo can't believe he did that without him there. It's all wrong. This is where Geraldo's ego gets in the way. He doesn't really trust Lorenzo, or anyone, to do their jobs. He actually thinks it's just better if he does it. What a fool. Even Ian and Vivica can't believe the way Geraldo is ignoring all of the pre-production planning. That is super annoying, as Lorenzo and Vivica spent all day planning this all and now Geraldo is just scrapping it. They are right about this, there was no point in them going to all that trouble all day only to be ignored. If Geraldo had no intentions of using their pre-production work, he shouldn't have had them do that in the first place.

Hehe, Lorenzo does his impression of Vivica, holding up a finger and saying, "This is not somethin' that is on the shot list! Uh-emm!" Lol.

Leeza's team begins shooting their actor family, with that doofus Jonas as Mr. DeMille. Well that's one of the few bad moves I've seen Leeza make. What in the world does he know about this?

Back at Geraldo's team, they are setting up the shot where Geraldo acts as a reporter. Geraldo has given the reins back to Lorenzo fortunately, and things are running much smoother. That is until they can't find the child actors they've hired to be in the shot. Oops. Apparently the actors aren't even on site, they were sent to their war room to wait. They waste a lot of time trying to assign blame for this. That was a huge screw up. It kind of sounds like maybe it was Vivica's fault, but it also sounds like it was an overall communication breakdown. Who really knows, who really cares.

From now on I'm in charge of every shot, Geraldo announces. Oh, yeah, that will improve things, hehe.

Next time, the finale. Leeza vs. Geraldo with Doofus and the other contestants returning, Live!!!

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JMO said...

TLC stinks said... 191--------------

Totally agree!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Will one of the biggest fans once again absolve TFW of her sins?
Saying the beatings happened way back when the kids were babies,
so, well, she forgives her? The kids sure weren't babies 5 years
ago.

PA Dutch Mom said...

I'll tell you thing, if those kids were ill dressed it was because they were dressing themselves. A parent would have thought to check the weather for the day. I always found it hard to believe she is up bright and early all the time.

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Here's the thing. Our weather at that time of the year is very fickle. Mornings can be around freezing, and by the afternoon is can warm up to 50 degrees or more. We're going through that right now. My bet is that Kate didn't even know that there was a field trip, since obviously she didn't go. Jon's been the one who has been at their school activities. She may have thought she'll put them on a warm bus, they won't be outside until afternoon, so they don't need warm gear. I seriously doubt that she checks the school calendar. Heck, there was the spring break a few years ago when she missed it entirely because she didn't know when it was.

I remember one of the kids' birthday parties when she let them go swimming in very chilly weather. It was in the 40s and raining, and I couldn't believe that she was letting them swim. Even though the pool was heated, those kids were running around outside, wet, jumping in and out of the pool. They had to be cold. We've seen photos of them in chilly weather when they were dressed in nothing but short-sleeved or sleeveless tops. She just doesn't *think.*

In weather like this, I've always made sure my kids were dressed in layers. You can always take things off when temps warm up. I also carry extra clothing in my car because you just never know. Kate isn't organized. We've seen that at Disney and on the NYC trip when she didn't think to pack flip flops for herself, never considering the fact that clomping around in hooker heels in New York was not a good idea.

Winsomeone said...

OT, and doesn't really matter anyway, but Liz's husband must have primary custody of their kids. Otherwise, why would Liz have to move to be with them? Apparently he moved, and if she wanted any visitation on a regular basis, she had to follow along. Always pictured her and Jon with a whole house full of kids at times, but I guess that rarely happened, as she had the DJ job, and most likely worked weekends, and his custody time was primarily on the weekends..kids must have seldom all been at the house together.

Winsomeone said...

Do DJs have to buy their own equipment and the rights to the songs they play, or do they work for a company and use the company's stuff and just get a salary, I wonder? Since Jon is just starting, I wonder who is training him, or doesn't it work that way? I suppose the company would do the PR work too?

Math Girl said...

There has been speculation here about what office Jon is contemplating running for. According to the interview:

OK!: What position are you looking at doing?
Gosselin: “State representative. But I haven’t made a formal announcement yet, but I have to soon. Actually I have to make an official announcement by January of next year because they are two year terms. There’s a lot of stuff I have to put in place.”

To me this is quite specific and indicates a member of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives, not a local office.

Political parties often court "star candidates", those with name recognition but no previous involvement in politics. I think if Jon runs, that would be the arrangement. He would be the candidate, but would be more or less a figurehead, and his campaign would be organized by an existing organization. I haven't a clue whether anyone would offer him that type of arrangement.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Can't these matters be discussed privately with a Family Court Judge or DYFS? Years ago, should have been reported back then. Really, what is Radar Online going to do?

I am sorry, but both parents are making a circus out of these kids and it needs to stop!!! What protection do these kids have from 2 bad parents, when they never chose to film? Disgraceful.

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It was reported back then to the courts. This is from 2010. There is no circus act going on. There have been quite a few who have commented that Jon has done nothing to report abuse and neglect. There you have it.

"Kind of getting old and tired when old news comes up and should have been dealt with years ago."

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How does anyone know that it wasn't dealt with years ago? Do we know that Children and Youth wasn't called in at that time when the physical abuse was reported? The documents state that it is believed that the teachers reported the door-locking incident to them. If so, it had to be investigated, but those findings would not have been made public.

Tucker's Mom said...

Radar's giving Kate the 1-2 punch today with another article about her abusive mothering.
The pic is that of Kate "shooshing" Collin (I think) at the bus stop.

It's ironic that Leah told Jon Kate hit her after she bit her brother. Violence for violence.

Tucker's Mom said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 14m14 minutes ago
Obviously no truth 2the accusations which BTW anyone can file..doesn't mean it is fact! Court didn't buy it. Kate has the kids! @Kateplusmy8
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So, Leah lied?
Wow, way to blame the victim.
I hope Jon photographed the injuries for documentation purposes.

Millicent said...

Thank you Math Girl for providing info on the specific political position Jon is considering. I think if he is truly considering politics as a career, he ought to start off locally and work his way up. That's the usual course of events, and for good reason. Just like any job, if you start in a beginning position, you learn the ropes and make you way up the ladder. Coming into politics at the state level, with no prior background in politics, and the wheeling-dealing that goes on, (plus Jon's general lack of a formal education), doesn't sound like a wise decision to me.

So, if he's really serious about this course, he should take a step back and do the grunt work needed, such as running for a local position and seeing how that goes first. I'm doubtful that he could win a seat at the state level at this point, and I would think that those behind the scenes who run campaigns would agree.

rainbowsandunicorns said...

I wouldn't have hired someone with Jon's work history to work in my small business. Being an elected official is a job, after all. Therefore previous work history, and the fact that he was sued by TLC, and allegedly by Securus. for violating his employment contract is directly relevant. If that makes me an elitist, then I guess I am an elitist.

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My parents owned a business for 50 years, and not a small one. After they retired, I took over. If someone like Jon applied to a job, showed he was a hard worker, sincere, got along well with other people, I most definitely would hire him.

In fact, I can remember someone with a questionable work history asking my parents for a job. She did not have the best reputation around town. My mother was hesitant; my father believed that everyone should be given a chance,. They hired her. I was kid at the time, but I can clearly remember that day like it was yesterday. I can still see her walking into the office saying that she really needed a job.

This person became one of their most loyal employees, working her way up to office manager. She was darn good at what she did. She stayed with the company for 30 years until she died, never took a vacation, and walked quite a distance to work every day. Yes, this is rare, but it does happen, and if Jon applied for a job, I'd certainly give him a chance regardless of his work history because I would remember "Shirley" and how valuable she was to us.

Mona said...

I think the companies that gave the Gosselin kids clothes (Gymboree, Love Peace World, etc.) would EXPECT their clothes would not be covered up while filming. It may be in the contract. Or in the TLC contract with Jon and Kate.

I STILL think Milo is some high school/college kid(s) having a great time.
I think Milo is laughing all the way through sociology class and on to the lunch line.

One day we're going to discover a book on the market: "My Undercover Life As Chief Ewe" by Milo De Venus. Then the story will be told.

:-)

localyocul said...

Formerly Duped said... 200
Geez, Leah is one of TFW's favorite kids. Can you imagine what kind of corporal punishment the others received if Leah had welts??

((

Wasn't Leah the one she spanked for blowing the whistle too?

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Will one of the biggest fans once again absolve TFW of her sins?
Saying the beatings happened way back when the kids were babies,
so, well, she forgives her? The kids sure weren't babies 5 years
ago.

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I can just hear her say to Kate, "Go and sin no more." And, of course, Kate will be so relieved that she has that person's blessings. She will be able to get on with her life knowing that she has been forgiven.

Millicent said...

Facts Please said... 173

Millicent said... 167
Tuckersmom, like Admin said, Kate violated a court order (filming the kids without Jon's ok or advance knowledge).
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How do you know that she violated a court order? What evidence do you have that such an order exists?
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Although Kate has legal custody of the children, I find it unlikely that a Court granted her the sole decision-making rights as to "important" decisions regarding the children. Jon has never been found to be an unfit parent. I have no court documents to scan and show you, but I am basing my belief on general knowledge of family law. The goal of family law in divorce cases is that the best interests of the children should come first, not necessarily the desires of the parents. The family law courts have adopted the position that it is best for children to have both parents involved in their lives, unless one parent or the other is a danger to the children, themselves, or otherwise deemed unfit. It takes quite a bit to be deemed unfit, so the fact that Jon has been photographed out at bars wouldn't cut it. Therefore, it is most probable that the Court ordered that both parents must agree on major or significant decisions involving the children. Filming them for a tv program would fall under that category.

I have primary (legal) custody of my son. The child support and custody orders in my case do state that I am to consult with his father on healthcare decisions and other major decisions re our son. The wording is purposely broad. In reality, what this means is that if I go to get a passport for my son, his dad has to sign the form too. If I recall correctly, he also had to sign a form when my son went to get his driver's permit. If I plan a trip out of the country, his dad has to agree that I can take our son with me. If my son needs emergency surgery, I can proceed without getting his father involved. But something experimental and not immediately necessary to save his life - gotta run it by his dad. Stuff like that.

So if I went ahead and had some cosmetic surgery done on my son, like a nose job, his dad could say, "hey, you didn't get my okay and you violated the court order." The police would tell him that he'd have to file a motion in court and they would not arrest me. He could have his attorney file a motion to find me in contempt of the court order, but by then, the deed would be done. He could win his motion and I could be ordered to pay sanctions. Still, the deed would be done.

I think this is what happens with Kate. She doesn't tell the children of filming, because she doesn't want them to tell their dad. The filming happens. Jon finds out. But the deed is done. She is in violation of the custody order (I'm pretty sure of this, again based primarily on my general knowledge of custody orders), but what's he going to do? The family law court does not have jurisdiction over the production company, so they can't order the production company to turn over the film, destroy the film, etc. At most, Jon's attorney could file a motion to find Kate in contempt of the court order and maybe get awarded sanctions. But it's costly and ultimately the film still gets shown on tv.

If my explanation isn't good enough for you, so be it. I have no insider's knowledge of Jon and Kate's custody case. I only have my general knowledge of how the courts like custody issues to be handled, and my personal knowledge in my own custody case.

BTW, I do keep my ex in the loop, and fortunately we have always agreed on various issues that have come up through the years. I would say at this point, we are basically indifferent to each other, which probably helps us be civil and courteous on the rare occasions we speak to each other.

chefsummer #Leh said...


Wasn't Leah the one she spanked for blowing the whistle too?
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Yes and it was plastered all over InTouch magazine.

Confused said...

PA Dutch Mom said... 3

I seriously doubt that she checks the school calendar. Heck, there was the spring break a few years ago when she missed it entirely because she didn't know when it was.
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What do you mean she "missed it entirely?" Did she drive the kids to the bus every morning expecting it arrive? How does one "miss" the fact that your children are home for a week?

chefsummer #Leh said...

Tucker's Mom said... 9
Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 14m14 minutes ago
Obviously no truth 2the accusations which BTW anyone can file..doesn't mean it is fact! Court didn't buy it. Kate has the kids! @Kateplusmy8
*****
So, Leah lied?
Wow, way to blame the victim.
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Milo would blame anyone and anything to take the heat away from her queen.

Kate could admit doing it and she could take responsibility for it and Milo would still blame others.

localyocul said...

Wow, I didn't read the actual documents on the first article before; was the link there earlier? I had looked for a link to them but didn't see one. The things about the lunches and locking in the rooms have been rumored but I don't remember seeing them in these documents or even knowing that they were listed in court documents by Jon. My heart hurts reading this document. "Mother refuses to..Mother would not agree.."

She wouldn't agree to extended weekends in the summer?

She threw out stuff he bought his kids?

She blocked his phone from the house and won't let kids call (this is a blatant violation of the standard custody annex)

This was very early on in the process and she was already acting like this? Soooo sad. Parental alienation at its finest. My daughter was always welcome to call and get calls from her dad. Things she made at dads and pictures from their time was proudly displayed at home. She had his picture on her night stand. I made sure to put up a picture collage of all the people who love her..both sides. He came to family parties, would come in when dropping her off to chat about their weekend and update me. I can't imagine having her for an ex! Actually I can, now that my ex is married to someone just like her.

PatK said...

Of course Milo has tweeted that Jon and Robert Hoffman are behind this latest ROL article. Because she's psychic and all.

Tucker's Mom said...

PJ's momma said... 199
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I know! Where is this coming from?
There's nothing to do about it now besides embarrass those kids further.
I'd care if Kate was still beating them, because that would be just plain abuse.

AuntieAnn said...

I'd like to know if the filming crew saw welts and bruises. Or did Jen Stocks tell them to go selectively blind once in awhile? The show was worth millions to TLC so we mustn't go stirring up trouble kind of blindness.

localyocul said...

Tucker's Mom said... 9
Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 14m14 minutes ago
Obviously no truth 2the accusations which BTW anyone can file..doesn't mean it is fact! Court didn't buy it. Kate has the kids! @Kateplusmy8
*****
So, Leah lied?
Wow, way to blame the victim.
I hope Jon photographed the injuries for documentation purposes.

(((

How does she know the court didn't buy it? These are items Jon wanted to put into a custody arrangement: no repacking food; no locking in room; extended summer weekend; pickup time change in summer. It wasn't a quest to get custody away from her. I wonder what happened to the Right of First Refusal he asked for. It is standard to grant that. Does she just not comply?

With an ex like her (and my ex's wife) it is best to be as specific as possible in the custody arrangement or they will get around it. My stupid arrangement said to pick child up at school (this was the old original agreement). Well sure enought they tried to insist in the summer or off days we had to meet them at the school. Meanwhile, I was at work and she was at home. Stepmom just didn't want to drive the extra 5 miles. So when we re-did it I made them put in "on days there is no school......"

Formerly Duped said...

Yes, Leah was the whistle blower! I think all the kids get spanked but I would imagine the boys and a couple of the girls got worse. Welts- from a spoon or belt? Not a bare hand. And then the emotional/neglectful punishments....shudder.

localyocul said...

The claims in the document ring true to me. They were filed in court, not to the paparazzi and they sound just like Kate would do. She admits they "have no relationship". How does she think that makes her look?

redbird said...

Yes, Leah was spanked for blowing a whistle outside.

rainbowandunicorns, "Shirley" was a Saint and so was your dad for giving her a second chance!

redbird said...

franky,
Absolutely, I will pray in agreement with you that you and Tobee will become best friends and Tobee your forever furbuddy!

rainbowsandunicorns said...

Are the sheep having their emergency meeting in the barnyard? Let me guess. Everything ROL publishes is a lie to make Kate look bad. ROL altered those court docs, the same way Robert lied and embellished in his book. The kids lied when they told him that their mother hit them and locked them in their rooms. The teachers lied when they reported it to CPS.

The photo proof...well, that was photoshopped, including the one where Kate spanked her daughter outside because the child blew a whistle. Lies, all of them, unless something negative is printed about Jon, and in that case every bit of it is the truth!.

Math Girl said...

I think if he is truly considering politics as a career, he ought to start off locally and work his way up. That's the usual course of events, and for good reason.
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But if he did that, he'd probably have to run his own campaign. Are local politics in the US/Penn non-partisan?
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I'm doubtful that he could win a seat at the state level at this point, and I would think that those behind the scenes who run campaigns would agree.
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I think he'd only run if he was specifically recruited by those behind the scenes who would be willing to run his campaign.

Working your way up in politics is the usual way, but "star" candidates are recruited and don't do that. Maybe they're more common in Canada, and here they are actually called "star candidates".

In the US not everyone politician works his/her way up. An example (though an old one): Eisenhower, who started as President, and I believe was courted by both parties. Wasn't Schwartzenegger a more recent example; was governor his first elected office? Obviously these examples have more star power than Jon, but they also started higher.

I think Jon could win a seat if he runs as a Democrat in a Decocratic district and the Democratic part runs his campaign. Whether they'd want to is another BIG question!

Millicent said...

PA Dutch Mom said... 168

I guess I don't share the Pennsylvania countryside point of view.

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Do you mean the view that we country bumpkins here share when we put on our Daisy Dukes, go running off to the polls, flip a coin, and just vote for the candidate who wins the toss? The best part of election day is coming home and drinking rumspringa behind the barn. Sometimes, though, we have to slop the pigs first and hope that the sheeple...er...sheep don't get to the rumspringa first! LOL!
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LOL! Why behind the barn though? Around here, we all gather on the front porch and holler to our neighbors as they pass by. Paw gets out his favorite chew; Maw and the kids enjoy the banjo music played by our simple cousin Earl (bless his heart, he can hardly remember his name but he plays the banjo like the dickens!). It's a real hoe down.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tiny little L...the smallest of all the preemies, getting beaten up by
her mother. And, yes, she's one of the favorites -- what must those
poor boys and their sister A have endured? Hopefully the physical
abuse has ended, but I don't doubt that the emotional abuse
continues.

Sue_Buddy said...

I have a good friend whose son is a state representative. He also has a Ph with the D in political science and was a university professor before he decided to run for office. He was always very politically active working for various campaigns, writing poltical editorials, etc. and teaching political science courses at the university. He was well known in his community before he decided to run. He's also 10 years older than Jon.

When I read that Jon said he's thinking about running for PA state rep I just laughed and forgot about it. He's just talking. Nothing more. My guess is he'd be eaten alive if he had to debate political issues. He hasn't paid his dues in the political arena. He needs to start small.

Millicent said...

Where does it say that ROL got the documents from Jon? This issue IS from years ago. And exactly how is Jon putting himself first by reporting these issues to the Family Court Judge? How is Jon making a "circus" out of his kids?

PJ
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I was wondering the same thing. If anything, the court documents that are quoted in that article do show that Jon has made attempts to protect his children from their mother's abuse. The problem is - the court can order Kate use less physically harsh discipline (no idea what the court ruled in this particular instance), but how do you enforce that? People don't get assigned 24/7 monitors to watch over them. Sadly, the abuse has to produce horrific results before CPS steps in, before a parent actually faces charges, etc.

As PJ asked, how is this article a demonstration of either parent making a circus of raising their children? How is either parent putting themselves first by ROL's article? I've said it before - I think Kate might have pissed off a fairly powerful person or persons because we are seeing a string of negative gossip pieces about her lately. Why? What's the reason behind this? Jon doesn't have any clout.

chefsummer #Leh said...

How does she know the court didn't buy it?
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Because to Milo her queen can do no wrong.

Ex Nurse said...

rainbowsandunicorns said...
If someone like Jon applied to a job, showed he was a hard worker, sincere, got along well with other people, I most
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Given his work history, where is there evidence that he is a hard worker? You didn't say how old the woman was that your parents hired. By age 37, a hard worker would come with some work references. Many people came from different backgrounds, and it was a considerable investment to train them to perform our services and get them their required certification. So, we were very careful about who we hired, because turnover is very expensive in service industries.

Maybe Jon has those references, but, according to all reports, he seems to have either not shown up, quit or been fired. If he was sued by his previous employer, as well as TLC, for breaking employment contracts, it would be a red flag that this was not a very promising employee for our company.

I don't know what kind of business your family owned, but in my business, we sent employees into people's home. For the protection of our clients, they had to have a spotless record and good work references. We certainly went out of our way to help people who had fallen on hard times, lost their jobs do to economic downturns--including financing a car so that they would have transportation to get to work, and helping them pay off parking tickets to reinstate their driver's license.

FYI said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 1h1 hour ago
How sad that a bitter EX & his compadre RH are N full attack mode dredging up unsubstantiated mess fr 5 yrs ago! @Kateplusmy8

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 1h1 hour ago
Something is up...the two are in full attack mode again! So much 4his recent interview saying he wants 2avoid negatives & get along.
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And exactly how does Milo know it's "unsubstantiated"? Was she there? And what does it matter when it happened? The fact that it happened at all is just as bad.

And, of course, she (and the sheeple) immediately blame Jon and Robert. If a court record was published that put Jon in a bad light, would they blame Jon? Media outlets have ways of getting court papers, but automatically, as always, it's Jon's fault!!

Kate still having custody doesn't prove a thing. Jon wasn't asking for the kids to be taken away from Kate, he was just asking for Kate to stop treating the children badly(hitting them hard enough to cause welts, locking bedroom doors,etc) and to agree to set custody times and right of first refusal.

Even if Milo was shown actual, totally substantiated, proof that these things did happen, she would still deny it and blame Jon.


BTW, I just knew that Milo couldn't stop herself from letting Kate know about the story. She just had to let her know about it by tweeting directly to her but then tweet her defense arguments on her own timeline and doesn't include Kate. Is that because she's afraid it's true and doesn't want Kate to reply to her and "set the record straight"?

AuntieAnn said...

Those custody documents read like a guide book to parental alienation.

Tucker's Mom said...

Millicent said... 15
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Thank you for helping me understand how things work.
Sometimes it seems that Kate just does what she wants, when she wants.
It makes absolute sense to me that the kids are always kept in the dark as to her comings and goings, their filming, and travel.
Kate always would rather ask for forgiveness than permission. Well, no, she doesn't ask for forgiveness because she's always right.

Tucker's Mom said...

localyocul said... 19
Wow, I didn't read the actual documents on the first article before; was the link there earlier? I had looked for a link to them but didn't see one. The things about the lunches and locking in the rooms have been rumored but I don't remember seeing them in these documents or even knowing that they were listed in court documents by Jon. My heart hurts reading this document. "Mother refuses to..Mother would not agree.."

She wouldn't agree to extended weekends in the summer?

She threw out stuff he bought his kids?

She blocked his phone from the house and won't let kids call (this is a blatant violation of the standard custody annex)

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The court documents are horrific.
I, too, thought that the repeat, old, stale leftovers in the lunch was a rumor, but, it's not.
That's disgusting.
Kate's attitude about food is crazy, and the ironic thing is she thinks no other mother does a better job of feeding her kids than her. From not allowing the kids to serve themselves food so that she can make the minimum amount, to making them eat rotten food.
Despite it making complete sense to allow Jon on the property for drop off and pick up, so the paps can't take photos, Kate wants to punish Jon.
There's no earthly reason to deny him access.

And omg, locking them in their room? What kind of sick babysitter would comply with something so reckless?
The poor kids couldn't get out to use the toilet!

Tucker's Mom said...

I've often thought the kids weren't dressed for the weather.
As a parent, you have to make decisions about how your child dresses to go outside.
There's a media photo of Kate and the kids in their driveway. It's chilly out, obviously, and one of the girls is barefoot, standing on the cold driveway.
The Alaska photo where Mady is bawling her eyes out shows a couple of the kids looking rather cold, all hunched over, pulling sleeves over hands to warm them up.

Vanessa said...

Those court documents alone are proof of the dysfunction, abuse and degrading lives those kids have lived (are still living, you don't need to be hit to be abused) and the dysfunction that surely will come to them as adults.
That kind of crap there goes on everyday, everywhere (look at how many of us here have similar strories?) but you tack on the fact that it's "Jon & Kate Plus 8"?....if those kids have endured just a fraction of what the documents say, and had never been born for public consumption, they'd STILL have some very serious issues. I predict a very sorry, even worse outcome, for these survivors of ABUSE

Vanessa said...

I, too, thought that the repeat, old, stale leftovers in the lunch was a rumor, but, it's not.
That's disgusting.
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In her warped head, I believe she feels it's an insult to her, to her efforts, to her mothering them. Look at how she wa-wa'ed about still feeding them when she "broke her foot". It's the one thing she has always and continues to hold over their heads. Food is used to to get sympathy, to guilt them, to control them, to punish them, to confuse them, to reward them, to get recognition from them, to use as a cop out. She's a nutcase

Facts Please said...

Millicent said... 15

Although Kate has legal custody of the children, I find it unlikely that a Court granted her the sole decision-making rights as to "important" decisions regarding the children. Jon has never been found to be an unfit parent. I have no court documents to scan and show you, but I am basing my belief on general knowledge of family law. The goal of family law in divorce cases is that the best interests of the children should come first, not necessarily the desires of the parents. The family law courts have adopted the position that it is best for children to have both parents involved in their lives, unless one parent or the other is a danger to the children, themselves, or otherwise deemed unfit. It takes quite a bit to be deemed unfit, so the fact that Jon has been photographed out at bars wouldn't cut it. Therefore, it is most probable that the Court ordered that both parents must agree on major or significant decisions involving the children. Filming them for a tv program would fall under that category.

I have primary (legal) custody of my son. The child support and custody orders in my case do state that I am to consult with his father on healthcare decisions and other major decisions re our son. The wording is purposely broad. In reality, what this means is that if I go to get a passport for my son, his dad has to sign the form too. If I recall correctly, he also had to sign a form when my son went to get his driver's permit. If I plan a trip out of the country, his dad has to agree that I can take our son with me. If my son needs emergency surgery, I can proceed without getting his father involved. But something experimental and not immediately necessary to save his life - gotta run it by his dad. Stuff like that.
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Primary legal custody is not sole legal custody. Jon himself has said that he does not have legal custody of his children. Therefore, Kate has sole legal custody which means she has the legal authority to make major decisions. That's what sole legal custody is.

Your "knowledge of family law" cannot determine that Kate violated a court order, which was your claim. You would have to know that such an order existed, which you do not.

Vanessa said...

And omg, locking them in their room? What kind of sick babysitter would comply with something so reckless?
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Probably why she went through so many nannies & babysitters, they had a conscience, they couldn't follow through.

Tucker's Mom said...

And exactly how does Milo know it's "unsubstantiated"? Was she there? And what does it matter when it happened? The fact that it happened at all is just as bad.
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These types of denials make me question if Milo is a catfish. I don't know how any mother could read documents that detail such abuse, and still defend Kate.
Just because Kate has custody doesn't mean that she doesn't abuse her kids.
Monsters are allowed to keep their kids.
Wake up, dear!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

You can't get away with saying "unsubtantiated" when we've all seen
those pictures of TFW lifting L's dress and smacking her bottom.
The child wasn't about to run into traffic, or touch a hot frying pan.
She was simply doing something children do -- blowing a whistle
for fun. But her mother was annoyed, and smacked her. And
lifting the dress was to maximize the pain. Picture = proof.

Way to bring it up again and again, Gladys. You're a true blue
friend!

Unknown said...

Since I've read both versions of Robert's book, I've read about everything that is in the ''court documents'', which leads me to believe Robert discovered the actual documents. Didn't he say in his book that he knew a lot more about the way Jon's children were treated by their mother, but wouldn't go into detail. It's about time that people see in black and white legal documents that Jon has done the best he can to protect his children from their abusive mother! It may well be that Robert is the one that provided them to ROL. If so, all I can say is....GO ROBERT!!!

Formerly Duped said...

Wow, thanks, Tucker, for the court docs. They are tragic and sad. How can Kate get away with violating so many conditions? Jon should continue his fight, rather than say she's going to film regardless.. The other issues are also still likely ongoing, although I hope the kids can throw out stale food and grab a jacket now that they are older. How sad they must hide treats from Jon from Kate.And the locking of children in bedrooms is downright criminal.I can picture the boys locked in the dungeon they are now in, despite its having pretty blue paint and secret boxes.

I'm still curious about the bombshell RH said was to come out after his book was released on issues he promised not to discuss- about the expulsion and Kate's reaction to it/treatment of the children.

Vanessa said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 1h1 hour ago
How sad that a bitter EX & his compadre RH are N full attack mode dredging up unsubstantiated mess fr 5 yrs ago! @Kateplusmy8

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 1h1 hour ago
Something is up...the two are in full attack mode again! So much 4his recent interview saying he wants 2avoid negatives & get along.
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Yes, whoever upthread said "blame the victim"
So the whole story is fabricated? Jon made it all up? The teachers? The school? Or are you throwing the KIDS under the bus now?? THEY are lying? Yup, can't say I'm surprised.

And yes Remona, I think you're right about it being Robert who leaked the documents and I agree, good on him! Must be something a-brewin' for this to come out of the blue.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Um Milo who care if Jon or Robert or Santa exposed Kate's abuse that's not the point Idiot.

The point is she is abusing her kids lay down you ass-kissing locality for a second and think if the G8 were your grand kids what would you do?

chefsummer #Leh said...

locality Is swear I type in loyalty.

Layla said...

What I can't understand is TLC's attitude about child abuse. They filmed an entire season of Honey Boo Boo, but refused to air it when Mama June dated a child molester. TLC pretended to be taking the high ground "for the kids", and yet they look the other way when it comes to Kate abusing her kids. The message TLC is sending out is that physical and emotional abuse of children is okay, but sexual abuse of children is not. That is just so wrong and so warped. ALL abuse of children is wrong, and if TLC is going to make a stand against one form of child abuse, they should take a stand against all forms of child abuse.

Why do they let Kate get away with this? It can't be a money thing. HBB's ratings were better than K+8. HBB cost TLC less money to film (no over-the-top travel demands, not huge home renovations). TLC showed both the Gs and HBB's family in the worst possible light--in fact, seemed to be highlighting for the viewers just how awful a mother Kate is and how nasty she is to her kids. It can't be publicity--Kate's abuse of her kids has been widely reported, just like Mama June's relationship with a pedophile. Heck, there is an entire book about Kate's abuse of her kids! So, where is TLC drawing the line? This whole situation makes the people at TLC look like a bunch of hypocrites.

Jeanne said...

I'm sorry I have not read every comment.

It would be uphill for Jon to run for office. The districts in Berks have some serious gerrymandering. Berks is divided into a number of districts and the idea was to make them mostly Republican. I don't know who all the reps are but it's tough to be a Democrat in Berks.

Tucker's Mom said...

Formerly Duped said... 48
Wow, thanks, Tucker, for the court docs. They are tragic and sad. How can Kate get away with violating so many conditions? Jon should continue his fight, rather than say she's going to film regardless.. The other issues are also still likely ongoing, although I hope the kids can throw out stale food and grab a jacket now that they are older. How sad they must hide treats from Jon from Kate.And the locking of children in bedrooms is downright criminal.I can picture the boys locked in the dungeon they are now in, despite its having pretty blue paint and secret boxes.

I'm still curious about the bombshell RH said was to come out after his book was released on issues he promised not to discuss- about the expulsion and Kate's reaction to it/treatment of the children.
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I would imagine the courts ordered Kate to take down the door locks on the room.
That is INSANELY dangerous.
Kate's been locking them in their rooms since they were born. Those kids had to stay in their cribs for 4 hours every day. It didn't matter if they needed the nap, or that long of a nap.
They were placed in, closed the door, and not looked at for HOURS at a time, all the time.
When Kate wrote about finding that poor little girl with poop all over her, I thought, why the hell is she surprised that a toddler had a BM over the course of 4-5 hours?
Of course. I bet they all pooped because that's a hell of a long time.
And how long was that kid lying in shit? Kate never checked on the kids, nor did she even have cctv in there (or the basement, which is a no-brainer with that many small children).

redbird said...

Yes, I remember that Robert said that if TFW said that he was lying about the book that he would release things that he said that he wouldn't. She copyrighted the Mommy Journal. That should do it.

Tucker's Mom said...

Vanessa said... 44
And omg, locking them in their room? What kind of sick babysitter would comply with something so reckless?
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Probably why she went through so many nannies & babysitters, they had a conscience, they couldn't follow through.
March 19, 2015 at 12:58 PM
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They ALL need to come forward to tell what they did and saw.
It's no wonder Kate hires young women to babysit-they won't stand up to her and probably don't realize she can't hurt them for reporting abuse. If they report with genuine concern, the court isn't going to uphold anything they've signed.

AuntieAnn said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 1h1 hour ago
Something is up...the two are in full attack mode again! So much 4his recent interview saying he wants 2avoid negatives & get along.

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I see Gladys is careful not to put the blame on ROL for putting the documents online. The old goat doesn't dare start dissing them because next week they might write a positively edifying article on her Katie.

getoftweeter said...

Layla: TLC might have the same believe system & morals as Kate does or the ones running things over there do. So what Kate & the Duggars and the rest do is fine with them. But a sex offender is against their rules. And the HBB gang are on the backward side of things and TLC knows they can be talked into things, and used. Just like Kates fans see nothing wrong in what Kate is doing.

Anonymous said...

"16. Filming Schedule To the extent the children continue to film Mother's television show..."

That the most pathetic thing I've ever seen. I guess I missed it when "Mother" was filming all by herself.

Someone needs to tweet that document link to the #DoIt. Of course, the children and the teachers are a bunch of liars.

PJ

Vanessa said...

I can't get over the locking them up in their rooms. What WHAT could those kids possibly be doing that warranted being locked in? What? That is so effed up. I can only imagine the feeling of panic, neglect, fear those kids had.
They're prison mates, where else in society is it acceptable to lock people in? Nursing homes? That's to protect the vulnerable. The only reason those kids were locked in was so that she/nanny didn't have to deal with it. And think for a minute. She intentionally removed the door knobs, switched out the locks. This took thought and planning and execution. She is evil

PatK said...

Honestly, there it is in black and white that teachers were told and they took measures. Yet the Ewe Crew still have their heads firmly planted up Kate's butt...I mean, in the sand.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Those poor kids will probably get punished all over again.

That witch locks the children in their rooms like they're zoo animals in cages. Just trots them out on a leash for the cameras and back they go. They're fed worse than animals, too. Moldy strawberries? How much bacteria would that food have after--as one of the children said--"many weeks"?

Even if I hadn't read Robert's book or anything else about the effing witch, those documents would have the ring of truth. I'll bet she's got smoke coming out of her ears right now! The children are probably terrified.

TLC stinks said...

Unfortunately, all too often a child must suffer enough to be hospitalized or worse before authorities step in. Just because Kate lives in a nice home and the kids attend school does not mean she is not brutalizing them physically or mentally. Just think about this: how often are we shocked by people that we thought we knew that we swore would never do anything criminal? The fact that these accusations keep coming up prove to me there are some bad things going on behind closed doors. Shame on those who turned a blind eye.

Tucker's Mom said...

Layla said... 52
What I can't understand is TLC's attitude about child abuse. They filmed an entire season of Honey Boo Boo, but refused to air it when Mama June dated a child molester. TLC pretended to be taking the high ground "for the kids", and yet they look the other way when it comes to Kate abusing her kids. The message TLC is sending out is that physical and emotional abuse of children is okay, but sexual abuse of children is not. That is just so wrong and so warped. ALL abuse of children is wrong, and if TLC is going to make a stand against one form of child abuse, they should take a stand against all forms of child abuse.
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TLC stood by, filmed and profited from a woman who is killing her child with food.
Yay! Let's make this woman famous and pay her big money for feeding her children disgusting junk food.
I really feel sorry for their film crew-I bet that house smells like farts.

Virginia Pen Mom said...

Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 4m 4 minutes ago
@MY_2BCOLLIES Something is going on behind scenes again...has 2b a reason EX & RH are so relentless & stop at no moral boundaries 2hurt her!

Moral boundaries?? Locking in a room, blocking the father's phone number, throwing away his gifts, telling the kids not to talk to their teachers, packing moldy food in their lunchboxes, leaving welts from a beating--and Milo talks "moral boundaries"? Omg, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up!!

FYI said...

I see Gladys is careful not to put the blame on ROL for putting the documents online. The old goat doesn't dare start dissing them because next week they might write a positively edifying article on her Katie.
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AuntieAnn--Oh, she did that too. Although she didn't specifically say ROL, everyone(and probably ROL) knows who she is talking about.

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 4h4 hours ago
Sad that the media would even take such old docs & present them as if they happened 2day...all part of a #SmearCampaign 2paint Kate as bad!

Vanessa said...

http://radaronline.com/photos/kate-gosselin-monster-mom-photos/photo/865987/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=KGosselinMonsterMomMoments

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They're on a roll

redbird said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 13m13 minutes ago
When you feel like you can't go any further, just know that the strength which carried you this far will take you the rest of the way.

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 20m20 minutes ago
No wonder she doesn't ever talk 2EX...only texts him! I'd want every word I said documented as well. He can't be trusted..always after her!

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If I were TFW, I would want every communicatin' tweet, DM screen shot for the authorities from you!

TLC stinks said...

What kind of a maniac locks their children in their bedroom at night? Kate's bedroom is on the first floor so it's not like they would disturb her. That proves she is crazy. How that woman ended up with primary custody is beyond disturbing.

I hope Jon took pictures of the bruises and welts. I sure as hell would have. But I guess he did not. A missed opportunity to get those kids from her.

Now I am thinking the latest visit from CPS may have been instigated by a teacher. Care to guess what the punishment from Kate could be for tattling to their teacher? Really, I bet Kate is quite the subject among the teachers. And don't tell me those eachers don't gossip among themselves.

Vanessa said...

Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 4m 4 minutes ago
@MY_2BCOLLIES Something is going on behind scenes again...has 2b a reason EX & RH are so relentless & stop at no moral boundaries 2hurt her!
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Oh yes, it's alllll to hurt HER! Going to bat for your kids, grabbing the bull by the horns to try and do right by your kids, trying to get the courts to intervene on THE KIDS' BEHALF and it's allll to hurt HER?? STFU!

FYI said...

Milo's talking about Robert, but she could actually be talking about herself:

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 5m5 minutes ago
@GeeWhiz__ @ShriekAPotomos @MY_2BCOLLIES He's behind all of this...along w/EX of course! What does he want fr Kate..a date? LOL #Obsessed

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 4m4 minutes ago
@ShriekAPotomos @GeeWhiz__ @MY_2BCOLLIES Wonder how his wife feels abt his need 2hang on Kate's timeline every single day...all day long? :/

Isn't that what Milo does, tweeting anything and everything hoping to get a tweet from her Queen?

And again, where's the proof that Jon provided the court papers to ROL? She gets all upset about what she calls "lies" about Kate, but she so eager and quick to condemn Jon(and Robert).

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 1m1 minute ago
@GeeWhiz__ @MY_2BCOLLIES @Kateplusmy8 Kate has been civil & not gone after Jon. Kept CS court stuff confidential. Sad that he does this! :(

Kate has not gone after Jon? Has she forgotten about the lawsuit? And the posts on her blog about him?

I guess #BeMature has gone by the wayside.

Vanessa said...

The fact that these accusations keep coming up prove to me there are some bad things going on behind closed doors.
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Abso-freaking-lutely! It seems like every little rumor from the very very beginning have allll been proven true. For those of us who have first hand experience with such a person, we believed, we believed and KNEW there was much MUCH worse going on. These little tabloid stories seemed outlandish to those who have been blessed to never have had the misfortune of having a narcissistic abuser in their lives. There it is, in black and white. And those are just little tidbits, little kernels of what those kids divulged. . You can be they paid dearly for the betrayal!!

Lanc Native said...

I, too, thought that the repeat, old, stale leftovers in the lunch was a rumor, but, it's not.

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No, and neither is the locked doors claim. The teachers knew about it, Milo, no matter how much you claim all of this is lies. There's more to it, but that's all I'm going to say on the subject. But of course we know nothing because, according to Ms Ph minus the D, we really aren't local and don't even live in the country. That person's stupidity is just astounding. She's quite possibly the dumbest of the flock. She tweeted that because Kate still has custody of the kids, then everything is a lie. Listen up, dumb dumb. It happened! I know it happened. It's not hearsay and it's not a lie. Is she really so intellectually-challenged or is it all an "act?" I can't imagine how someone like that is capable to function in society.

This is like the Cosby scandal. Two women come out with allegations and you think that perhaps those women were out for publicity. Then more and more women came forward, and you think that the acts of which they are accusing him are a possibility. The same is true with Kate, the abuse, and the claims outlined in the court report. There are documents, there are photos, and there is Kate's own copyrighted journal. Denial by the sheep just makes them look more idiotic than they already are. Everyone is ganging up on Kate...right, Milo? What would be the reason for these documents to be embellished, altered and just plain lies? Who would stand to profit in this? If Kate's hands are clean, then all of this would be libel, right? If so, she should sue all of them because if it's not true, as you claim, then this is damaging.

Milo is so much in love with Kate that she would never believe anything negative about her. It must be horrible to be so blind. Gladys always wants to set the record straight. Now is the time for her to tweet Kate and ask her if the claims in those documents are lies. Did she really discipline her children to the point where the injuries were visible? Did she lock the doors? Now is Kate's chance to deny that any of that happened. Milo, however, is too afraid this time to put the question to Kate.

This Malaprop is too good to let slip on by...

TwitTart ‏@TwitTartwif
#StopChildAbuse #kategosselin @helpspreadthis Kateplusmy8 locking kids in bedrooms/ leaving whelps on kids..

Whelps! LOL! How many did she whelp? Eight?

AuntieAnn - you always make me laugh, "Old goat" is a wonderful description of Gladys!

FYI said...

I don't consider Robert tweeting about his book, "hanging on Kate's timeline". He's not tweeting to her or to anyone on her timeline. It's only because the name of the book includes Kate's name that it shows up on her timeline. Same thing with the twitterbots tweeting the articles about Kate, or people talking about the "Kate Gosselin" haircut. They're not hanging on Kate's timeline either.

If anyone mentions Kate's name in a tweet even if she's not included in that tweet, it'll show up on Kate's timeline.

Ex Nurse said...

I thought it was interesting that the doc had a paragraph stating that by TFW refusing to let Jon park within the gates when he returns the kids, the paparazzi has a clear view of the custody exchange. How coincidental is it that in early August, there is a video posted by RH of the custody exchange--exactly as described in the document! If the video was one of the reasons for that paragraph, then that was several months after the dark and stormy night. Maybe that was what prompted the paragraph in the first place. Or, maybe the purpose was to demonstrate that public exchange of the kids exposed them to the paparazzi.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

"Strength?" People who beat up little children aren't strong --
they're pathetic cowards. So face it, Gladys -- you're in love
with a pathetic coward, and spend hour upon hour defending
her. You care nothing about those children. If TFW gave up
custody tomorrow, you'd say it's the kids' fault, and they never
appreciated her.

Lanc Native said...

LexisSmith ‏@Lexis2uSC 3h3 hours ago
@kateplusmy8. Anyone with a @Keurig Knows machine won't BREW unless it detects a cup DUH! #YOULIE

Not true. I always give people the benefit of the doubt, even Kate (if you can imagine that). So I tried the coffee thing with my Keurig. I could, in fact, brew coffee without the cup setting there. Perhaps the newer models or different models have the sensor, but mine doesn't. It's possible that Kate wasn't lying this time.

CC said...

Facts Please,
To quote you "Jon himself said....."
that Kate needs his permission to film and when she films the kids without his permission it is "illegal."

chefsummer #Leh said...

Milo maybe Jon is after Kate because she beats the crap out of his children.

Maybe he wants to save them from her.

Math Girl said...

Facts Please, why is it so hard to believe that Kate violated a court order (filming the kids without Jon's ok or advance knowledge)?

Didn't Jon say in an interview that Kate filmed without his OK or advance knowledge and that it was illegal? Illegal could mean that it was contrary to Murt's new child labor bill, or could mean that it was contrary to a court order. Since Murt's bill only sets conditions on filming, doesn't ban it outright, violating a court order seems like the most likely interpretation of illegal to me.

In this case, I believe admin's interpretation of Jon's words. You're free not to. But don't pretend it is just a totally unfounded rumor.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Confused asked, "What do you mean she "missed it entirely?" Did she drive the kids to the bus every morning expecting it arrive? How does one "miss" the fact that your children are home for a week?"

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If I recall, she tweeted that spring break sneaked up on her, she forgot about it and therefore they didn't go anywhere because she missed it (the dates on the calendar). No, she didn't drive the kids to the bus stop. She didn't miss the fact that her kids were home. She missed the fact that it was spring break. I don't know how this would have been possible, because kids at school talk about it for weeks in advance, where they are going, how excited they are, and you'd think that her children would have done the same and reminded her about it.

I see that Border Collie is using the "needs money for rent" thing again. That really gets old. You'd think she and the sheeple could come up with something else -- at least be a bit creative.

Ex Nurse said...

I can't see how the timeline works, if the documents were supposed to be from the RH backup disks.

The dark and stormy night of the data heist was, IIRC, in April of 2010. So any documents on the backup disks would have to predate that. The document details the teacher report as having happened on 10/20/2010--6 months after RH got the data.

Rhymes with Witch said...

I'd like to know if the filming crew saw welts and bruises. Or did Jen Stocks tell them to go selectively blind once in awhile? The show was worth millions to TLC so we mustn't go stirring up trouble kind of blindness. 22

I remember reading that many or most of the crew left because of what went on. I find it unforgivable that TLC just kept filming.

FYI said...

Now she's even throwing Ellen into mix. She'll blame everyone and everybody before she'll ever blame Kate.

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 30m30 minutes ago
@GeeWhiz__ @MY_2BCOLLIES @Kateplusmy8 These R all old tabloid worthy allegations that he & Ellen put together. No validity 2allegations.

Surprised she hasn't included Jodi and Kevin in her blame game. Hey, why not throw in Rep. Murt and Paul Petersen, too? She'll throw anyone under the bus in defense of Kate.


#Dolt

Rhymes with Witch said...

But a sex offender is against their rules. 58

That completely fits with the current zeit geist.

All This Is That said...

Milo has created a little fantasy world for herself and Kate. It's sad. I just can't understand that her family doesn't know about her delusions and suggest professional help. If they don't care, wouldn't you think that she has friends who would step in, or are her only friends the sheeple strangers on twitter? I wonder if they, too, realize that she's becoming more and more strange but they just enable her and don't say anything about it. Something's gotta give.

PJ's momma said...

Seeing kids who are underdressed while their parents are bundled up is an everyday occurrence around here, where cooler weather prevails for all but a couple of months per year. You see lots of kids with no jackets and light clothing, running around, while their parents have coats on. The kids aren't really complaining usually. It makes me scratch my head, but it's pretty standard around here.

I don't like either Jon or Kate, but it doesn't make much sense that Kate's defenders say, 'well, what about what JON did five years ago, he did XYZ,' when confronted by allegations against Kate from five years ago. Huh? I don't get why this stuff is being dredged up again. It's old news for anyone who ever followed this and only the kids will be harmed by bringing it up over and over in the tabloids.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I'm sorry I have not read every comment.

It would be uphill for Jon to run for office. The districts in Berks have some serious gerrymandering. Berks is divided into a number of districts and the idea was to make them mostly Republican. I don't know who all the reps are but it's tough to be a Democrat in Berks.

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I think he will find this to be a much bigger problem to overcome than the idea that some voter might actually care that his psycho ex wife sued him (and later dropped it) or that he once peed in a driveway.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Moral boundaries?? Locking in a room, blocking the father's phone number, throwing away his gifts, telling the kids not to talk to their teachers, packing moldy food in their lunchboxes, leaving welts from a beating--and Milo talks "moral boundaries"? Omg, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up!!


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Classic case of shooting the messenger. They see this as "a dirty snitch" and completely ignore the message. As if whoever tattled on kate somehow makes the message itself have less impact or meaning. It doesn't.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Yes Jon himself explained that Kate is supposed to tell him about filming and he is to consent.

You can choose to believe he's lying but the implication this fact is pulled out of thing air or just plain nonsense, is simply not true. He said it, and statements like this are evidence of the truth, even in court. If you don't want to believe it fine, but don't begrudge others if they find that credible. He's not going to show you the court order saying so, which is so convenient for those who refuse to believe it.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Kate in one interview said on national TV that she doesn't ask Jon about filming the kids.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Seeing kids who are underdressed while their parents are bundled up is an everyday occurrence around here, where cooler weather prevails for all but a couple of months per year. You see lots of kids with no jackets and light clothing, running around, while their parents have coats on. The kids aren't really complaining usually. It makes me scratch my head, but it's pretty standard around here



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Yes, it is pretty common all around the Northeast. Kids I guess are running around a lot and don't properly bundle up because they're not cold. But it's up to the parent to ensure they have the proper warm clothes with them even if they don't think of it. Parents on the east coast spend just as much time saying "don't forget your hat/gloves/coat!" as they do nagging a kid to do their homework.

That's petty family law stuff that attorneys would want to throw in when throwing in everything. The physical and emotional abuse is more concerning.

Lynne In RI said...

Getofftwitter (58): "Just like Kates fans see nothing wrong in what Kate is doing."

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The fans see nothing wrong with it because for them it's always been about Kate. The kids don't enter into the equation at all. Therefore it stands to reason that they don't find it objectionable. For them, I don't think that the kids even exist.

angie said...

Hmm...your home state enacted legislature to protect your children from you working them to the bone....
and you've been reported to your state's child services more than once by different people.

Yep, what a great mother you are.
It's a disgrace.

Her carrying around that book around about multiples and watching The Waltons didn't exactly compute into the ideal large family she 'dreamed' of.
Instead it's a house of horrors. Joan Crawford move over.

Tucker's Mom said...

Lanc Native said... 73
I, too, thought that the repeat, old, stale leftovers in the lunch was a rumor, but, it's not.

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No, and neither is the locked doors claim. The teachers knew about it,
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I hope once the teachers realized that the kids have to eat what's packed or else it keeps showing up, that they allow them to toss the food so Kate can't penalize them for not eating.
But, you know, Kate makes lunches that other kids envy, so....

Vanessa said...

She didn't miss the fact that her kids were home. She missed the fact that it was spring break. I don't know how this would have been possible, because kids at school talk about it for weeks in advance, where they are going, how excited they are, and you'd think that her children would have done the same and reminded her about it.
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What mother of 8, count'em EIGHT kids doesn't know when spring break is happening? Ms organized, Ms chore chart, Ms stick it notes? Is the school calender not posted somewhere in plain sight? It's all a crock of crap. She tweets shit just to tweet shit

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

You care nothing about those children. If TFW gave up
custody tomorrow, you'd say it's the kids' fault, and they never
appreciated her.

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She'd blame Shoka or Zorro. She's been blaming everyone else, why not their pets?

Unknown said...

Ex Nurse said... 82
''Ex Nurse said... 82 I can't see how the timeline works, if the documents were supposed to be from the RH backup disks.
The dark and stormy night of the data heist was, IIRC, in April of 2010. So any documents on the backup disks would have to predate that. The document details the teacher report as having happened on 10/20/2010--6 months after RH got the data.''
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Robert said more than once that he talked to MANY people, including teachers, social workers, members of the family, crew members and on and on. He said he had photos, tapes and other things that were handed to him from various people. I don't find it at all impossible to believe that SOMEONE gave copies of the documents to Robert. The documents don't HAVE to have been on the files Robert got from the trash, nor does that mean that they could have only come from Jon.

Lynne In RI said...

LancNative (73): " But of course we know nothing because, according to Ms Ph minus the D, we really aren't local and don't even live in the country. That person's stupidity is just astounding. She's quite possibly the dumbest of the flock. "

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I was reading the tweets and the sheep's denials and deflections. If the Ph person is the dumbest, who would you say is second in line? It looks like the Whiz person is in contention for that spot. The stupidity among the flock is very scary. You just have to bang your head at some of the things they have come up with. Milo tweets some of the most insane comments ever, and then others follow suit. I wonder how long their damage control meetin' lasted.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

When I give my client a document, I can't control who they make copies for and give it to. I don't see what in the world the dark and stormy night has to do with anything since there's no way you could ever prove the documents stemmed from that.

Unknown said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 100
''When I give my client a document, I can't control who they make copies for and give it to. I don't see what in the world the dark and stormy night has to do with anything since there's no way you could ever prove the documents stemmed from that.''
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Your client also probably isn't the only person that had their hands on the document, so there is also no way you could prove that someone other than your client made copies.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I'm glad the documents clarified that it was also a TEACHER who reported some of the abuse.

Suddenly it's not just Jon who has complaints. How do you explain how the teachers are all in it? Conspiracy? Jealous? Please.

It also shows how petty and uncompromising Kate is, refusing to bow to very simple requests like picking up the kids a couple hours earlier or having one extra day. Parental alienation to a T.

A good attorney wrote this. It covers everything. All you can do is plead your concerns to the family court. Sometimes you hear no, sometimes you hear yes. You can't keep taking the same concerns over and over to them, as recent case law has confirmed.

The kids need to know for their own peace of mind he tried to help. Teachers tried to help. So did nannies. There is proof now. His statement that his kids know the truth makes so much sense now.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Your client also probably isn't the only person that had their hands on the document, so there is also no way you could prove that someone other than your client made copies.


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Yes. Dozens of people could see the document, even more. People outside the immediate circle could copy it. Once it leaves the courtroom who knows what could happen to it.

Sleepless In Seattle said...

I don't find it at all impossible to believe that SOMEONE gave copies of the documents to Robert. The documents don't HAVE to have been on the files Robert got from the trash, nor does that mean that they could have only come from Jon.

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Where did this come from...that the docs came from the files in the trash? Am I missing something?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

And how damaging is it she made the kids report back to her ON THE VISITS about Jon?

That puts those girls in an awful position. Extremely detrimental. I'll take a few changing girlfriends any day over Mommie Dearest making you her personal mole on your beloved father. It's so incredibly confusing and mind-fucking.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Milo is ignorant. She doesn't have the foggiest idea what the court bought or did not buy.

I guess throwing the kids into foster care would prove it. I guess they don't realize that is a method of last resort and that the Court will usually try other methods to resolve things like this first. The Court could have ordered Kate into parenting or counseling, and/or the Court could admonish her not to do these things again or custody would be taken away. The court also could have appointed a social worker, therapist or children's attorney to the case to ensure that she shaped up. We don't know what was or wasn't done in response to this.

For all we know the Court could have threatened to take further action if she didn't shape up, and so she shaped up. We haven't heard anything about problems with food or calling their dad recently. In fact Jon recently mentioned Mady calling him about playing a song when he was DJing. Obviously she has his number now. Perhaps this motion kicked Kate into gear and got her to knock it off, and that's a good thing

What's more, you don't take kids away because Kate won't give them Jon's number. You order her, under threat of contempt, including fine and jail time for violating a court order, to turn over his number forthwith. Problem solved.

Unknown said...

Sleepless In Seattle said... 104
Remona:
''I don't find it at all impossible to believe that SOMEONE gave copies of the documents to Robert. The documents don't HAVE to have been on the files Robert got from the trash, nor does that mean that they could have only come from Jon.''
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''Where did this come from...that the docs came from the files in the trash? Am I missing something?''
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I was responding to ExNurse whose comment was saying that the ''timeline'' of the ''dark and stormy night'' didn't mesh with when Robert found the trash.

Rhymes with Witch said...

You order her, under threat of contempt, including fine and jail time for violating a court order, to turn over his number forthwith. Problem solved. 106

I'm not disagreeing, but to date she has apparently skated on everything.

Ex Nurse said...

Remona Blue said....
He said he had photos, tapes and other things that were handed to him from various people. I don't find it at all impossible to believe that SOMEONE gave copies of the documents to Robert. The documents don't HAVE to have been on the files Robert got from the trash, nor does that mean that they could have only come from Jon.
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I didn't say that they had to come from the trash. I was just pointing out that it couldn't have come from the backup disks. Nor did I say anything about any other source.

fidosmommy said...

Admin said.....

And how damaging is it she made the kids report back to her ON THE VISITS about Jon?

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Kind of answers the question of what Kate and the twins "talked" about while they painted toenails during their slumber parties in Kate's suite

Ex Nurse said...

Sleepless In Seattle said... 104
I don't find it at all impossible to believe that SOMEONE gave copies of the documents to Robert. The documents don't HAVE to have been on the files Robert got from the trash, nor does that mean that they could have only come from Jon.

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Where did this come from...that the docs came from the files in the trash? Am I missing something?
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I posted that the documents could not have come from the trash since there was a description of a report from the teachers that happened 6 months after the files came into Robert's possession. There was no accusation of Jon or anyone else--I was just eliminating a source of the leak. There is nothing more to it than that.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 4h4 hours ago
Sad that the media would even take such old docs & present them as if they happened 2day..


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They didn't present it as today, Milo. They very clearly said it was 2010. In fact, they said it THREE times, four if you count the photo they posted which also says 2010. It's not their fault if a doofus reader can't comprehend what they clearly said FOUR TIMES.

Confidentiality said...

Remona Blue said... 98
Ex Nurse said... 82
''Ex Nurse said... 82 I can't see how the timeline works, if the documents were supposed to be from the RH backup disks.
The dark and stormy night of the data heist was, IIRC, in April of 2010. So any documents on the backup disks would have to predate that. The document details the teacher report as having happened on 10/20/2010--6 months after RH got the data.''
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Robert said more than once that he talked to MANY people, including teachers, social workers, members of the family, crew members and on and on. He said he had photos, tapes and other things that were handed to him from various people. I don't find it at all impossible to believe that SOMEONE gave copies of the documents to Robert. The documents don't HAVE to have been on the files Robert got from the trash, nor does that mean that they could have only come from Jon.
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Any Social Worker who talked to a "reporter" (and I'm using that term loosely) about a case should be fired and lose their license if applicable.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


You order her, under threat of contempt, including fine and jail time for violating a court order, to turn over his number forthwith. Problem solved. 106

I'm not disagreeing, but to date she has apparently skated on everything.


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Not the phone number apparently, as Jon has said more than once he regularly speaks or texts with his children on the phone.

Sounds like the motion did at least some good.

Sherry Baby said...

Milo is ignorant. She doesn't have the foggiest idea what the court bought or did not buy.

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That's not all she is. I was reading her tweets. She's a nasty, cruel mean-spirited person. When her claws come out, that sweet little southern Christian woman is nowhere to be found. Seems she has a multiple personality disorder, and she is sinister. Maybe she scares her family as well, and they know that it's best to just ignore her.

CS said...

CS
Does anyone have the link to Kate's timeline? Thank you in advance.

FYI said...

PA Dutch Mom said... 81
Confused asked, "What do you mean she "missed it entirely?" Did she drive the kids to the bus every morning expecting it arrive? How does one "miss" the fact that your children are home for a week?"

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If I recall, she tweeted that spring break sneaked up on her, she forgot about it and therefore they didn't go anywhere because she missed it (the dates on the calendar). No, she didn't drive the kids to the bus stop. She didn't miss the fact that her kids were home. She missed the fact that it was spring break. I don't know how this would have been possible, because kids at school talk about it for weeks in advance, where they are going, how excited they are, and you'd think that her children would have done the same and reminded her about it.
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When Kate said that spring break snuck up on her, she didn't tweet it--she made a blog post about it, which she posted on March 6, 2012. Keep in mind that this after TLC cancelled her and she was no longer filming. This is what she said:

"Our spring break comes really early each year. Usually, we have plans to travel somewhere. This year, it snuck up on me and with other obligations, doctor appointments and whatever else, I realized we would be spending time at home, playing… Oh and did I mention sleeping in? Yes, an extra two hours of sleep in the morning is a vacation in and of itself!"

http://www.kateplusmy8.com/school-during-spring-break/

So according to Kate, she didn't realize it, because she made doctor appointments, etc. and due to that they couldn't travel anywhere.

Of course, the real reason for them staying home was because TLC wasn't around to pay for them to go anywhere. She could have just made up the "snuck up on me" as an excuse because she knew her tweeties would be asking her about it. Don't forget--this was her first time during spring break that she was on twitter. So she may have been telling the truth about it sneaking up on her or she just may have been using that as an excuse for staying home.

I like how Kate said "they usually have plans to travel" during spring break.

This is the "travelling" during spring break the 2 years prior to her blog post.

In 2011, they went to Australia, but in January not during spring break. But yes, they did "travel"--to Tennessee to film the food bank episode. Both on TLC's dime.

In 2010, she was already getting ready for DWTS which started airing on March 22. The cast announcement was made on March2, so she would have already started practicing with Tony and they would have been installing the dance floor in her basement. Kate was the one travelling, without the kids.

So comes spring break 2012, and TLC isn't around to film them going anywhere, so, of course, they didn't go anywhere.

So if it isn't free, they aren't going anywhere.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Maybe she scares her family as well, and they know that it's best to just ignore her
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If she has one.

chefsummer #Leh said...

Kate is a twit said... 117

Kate speak..I forgot spring break...

Translation..I couldn't grift anything that was free.

Sherry Baby said...

Any Social Worker who talked to a "reporter" (and I'm using that term loosely) about a case should be fired and lose their license if applicable.

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Did he say that he talked to social workers specifically about the Gosselin case, and just not about children's welfare in general? I don't recall him ever saying that a social worker disclosed details about the Gosselin children, but I really don't know.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I wonder if Kate's refusal to have a relationship with Jon has to do with her still being furious about motions like this he filed five years ago.

She never forgives and forgets despite her claims to the contrary. Something like this could cause someone as bitter as her to never speak to him again. Ever.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Here's the thing. Our weather at that time of the year is very fickle. Mornings can be around freezing, and by the afternoon is can warm up to 50 degrees or more.


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That's not unusual for most areas of the Northeast.

Anyone living in the Northeast, parent or not, knows you always bring along a jacket or sweater on warm days, and a winter jacket and perhaps more on mild or cool days, as the weather could turn much colder or get precipitation. It's one thing if you're just out to run errands for half an hour, quite another to send your six year old child out with nothing on a day-long field trip.

I think with her she is oblivious, and doesn't have the kind of instincts and good common sense most people who live in the Northeast do. She lives very much in the moment and is very much in her own world. She doesn't worry much about problems unless they're staring her in the face. It only takes one or two times of freezing your butt off to learn to be more prepared for the unexpected. For Kate this never sticks.

chefsummer #Leh said...

I think with her she is oblivious, and doesn't have the kind of instincts and good common sense
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IDT she has any sense at all.

She seems to lack the motherly instinct and lacks the instincts to be a good person.

FYI said...


Remona Blue said... 98

Robert said more than once that he talked to MANY people, including teachers, social workers, members of the family, crew members and on and on. He said he had photos, tapes and other things that were handed to him from various people.
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Remona----Where did you read that Robert said he talked to teachers and social workers and that people handed him tapes, photos and other things? It's not what he said in his book. Did you read it somewhere else?
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Sherry Baby said... 120
Any Social Worker who talked to a "reporter" (and I'm using that term loosely) about a case should be fired and lose their license if applicable.

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Did he say that he talked to social workers specifically about the Gosselin case, and just not about children's welfare in general? I don't recall him ever saying that a social worker disclosed details about the Gosselin children, but I really don't know.
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Sherry Baby--In his book, Robert never said he talked to social workers or teachers. This is what he said (in both editions):

"This book contains information I have come to learn, both personally and through exhaustive research, while reporting for US Weekly and in the days since. I have had no official conversations at
all with any of the Gosselin extremists – the bloggers. Also, I have not interviewed Aunt Jodi and Uncle Kevin or anyone connected with them, as they have been accused by Kate and her supporters of having their own personal agenda.

I have, however, spoken to and interviewed hundreds of people along the way, including Gosselin friends, family members, nannies, babysitters (both former and present), “helpers,” restaurant owners, wait staff, anonymous TLC/ Discovery employees, physicians, nurses, fertility specialists, childhood friends, etc. Not much is from a single source."

Hoffman, Robert (2014-06-21). KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD - THE RISE AND FALL OF A REALITY TV QUEEN (Kindle Locations 249-252). . Kindle Edition.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

They didn't present it as today, Milo. They very clearly said it was 2010. In fact, they said it THREE times, four if you count the photo they posted which also says 2010. It's not their fault if a doofus reader can't comprehend what they clearly said FOUR TIMES.

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I think that she sees the headlines and that the story is a slam at Kate, works herself into such a tizzy trying to figure out the damage control she will do, and doesn't really bother reading it with any kind of comprehension. I can see her grabbing a bottle, jumping up and down in denial, screaming at LOM while her blood pressure soars.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Anyone else ever wonder if Gladys' over-the-top anger towards
Jon has to do with jealousy? Of what he had with TFW which
she'll never get to have? And yes, I'm implying what you think
I'm implying. This may be subconscious -- perhaps she's not
even aware of the depth of her feelings. And it may also explain
her "LOL" digs at TFW herself -- she knows deep down her
affections aren't reciprocated, so maybe it relieves her frustration
to lash out once in a while.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 5h5 hours ago
@GeeWhiz__ @MY_2BCOLLIES Yep...too many awful things he did. Kate chose 2keep so many things private..only between her, Jon & courts!

So Kate confided in Milo and Milo knows all of those private things that happened between Jon and Kate and the courts? Milo knows about the awful things that Jon did because she and Kate communicated in so many ways? What's really frightening is that I think she actually believes it. Good lord. This woman is insane

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

It's one thing if you're just out to run errands for half an hour, quite another to send your six year old child out with nothing on a day-long field trip.

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And you don't send your son to school for an outside field trip wearing cowboy boots. You put hiking boots or a pair of good sturdy athletic shows on him because you don't know if the terrain will be rocky and/or wet.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I have to totally disagree about changing jobs and hard work. The fact that someone has had different careers has nothing to do with how hard they work. Someone who has done different jobs may work hard or may not work hard. Who knows. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Conversely, someone who stays in a job they aren't really interested in could not be working hard because they're not excited or being stimulated, are bored. Or, they could work very hard. Hard work is not dependent on how many different jobs you have tried, whether you have had one, two or ten different jobs. Goodness, my narcissist has dabbled in about seven different careers beyond just acting, does each one with absolute gusto, and they are quite possibly the hardest worker I've ever known. I've always said so.

Millicent said...

I do think something caused Kate to stop some of the worst behavior. It would have to be a serious threat, one she dared not ignore. To be thwarted like that must be galling. And it would of course be Jon's fault. She was probably feeling invincible at that time, TLC financing her custody battle, Jon forced to hand over nearly everything to her, Jon vilified by gossip rags. Then he dare bring her into court, question her parenting, and get the judge to order to stop doing certain things, or else. Or else what, I can only guess. But it would have to be something significant, such as loss of legal custody, or maybe some kind of deeper investigation into her parenting. I agree with Admin, this would earn Jon her undying hatred.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Suddenly it's not just Jon who has complaints. How do you explain how the teachers are all in it? Conspiracy? Jealous? Please.

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You can't, but I would assume that Milo and the Sheep would claim that the docs are all lies and were altered by someone (Jon would be the prime suspect, or Robert) who are out to get Kate. Therefore, whatever is written in that document are all lies and that none of it ever happened.

Milo has stopped short of saying that the teachers are liars. I'm not sure that even she would go that far. It's much better to claim that those documents are fakes and that none of that ever happened.

fidosmommy said...

A man from here was disabled and had never held a job because of his disability. But he was very well liked in this area and decided to run for office. His first foray into government was a run for State Representative. He won. He had 2 very successful terms, worked diligently on the work set before him. Because this a very rural area, he dealt mainly with rural and small town issues. As an added bonus, he had indisputable insight into the true, day to day plight of the disabled well above ADA guidelines, and the state continues to consider better ways to be inclusive.

I believe one does not have to have any special CV to run for higher offices, but the ability to listen, learn, share, respect people and cooperate will sometimes be enough. And to have a platform worthy of state attention will be a plus.

What were Sonny Bono' s credentials again? :)

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Yes Fido.

I can't discount someone without experience as a serious candidate.

The problem with experienced politicians is they can sometimes suffer from inside the beltway syndrome. They start to get too entrenched in the political process, too out of touch with their constituents. They owe so many favors and have become so wrapped up in their power that corruption tends to develop. If there were nothing wrong with staying in office a long time, we wouldn't have term limits.

I have no idea if Jon would be a good candidate, but I would never rule out someone without politician experience as a serious candidate based on that alone. If anything, it makes me intrigued and hopeful about their potential to bring a different perspective. Political office is unique. Having a ton of experience could help, or it could make you out of touch. Not so with most other jobs, where experience is almost always a plus.

swingsandroundabouts said...

Until today I had no idea that that woman locked her children in their rooms. I've read this blog daily for years and don't remember reading that. I also didn't believe that I could be surprised by anything she did, but that actually shocked me. She truly is mentally ill. Besides the sheer cruelty, it is dangerous. The mental anguish they probably suffered while in solitary, while waiting for the warden to release them, anticipation of further verbal abuse as she reminded them of their transgressions and threats of more of the same if they didn't comply with her crazy rules, just makes my blood run cold. Do I know that she berated them? Based on what we have seen, it is probable and I can very easily believe it.

How anyone could think she is a good mother is beyond my comprehension.

Labeling her a doofus or a dolt is so insanely benign compared to what she really is.

Unknown said...

Kate is a twit said... 124
''I have, however, spoken to and interviewed hundreds of people along the way, including Gosselin friends, family members, nannies, babysitters (both former and present), “helpers,” restaurant owners, wait staff, anonymous TLC/ Discovery employees, physicians, nurses, fertility specialists, childhood friends, etc. Not much is from a single source."
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You are right, of course. I should have known better than try to comment when I have such a raging sinus headache! I confused myself. Now I'm off to deal w/the headache and not comment till it is gone!!

Jeanne said...

I always believed Kate abused her children. I don't believe she is capable of maternal love. But it is still sad to have it confirmed. It is sad that the teachers had to help the kids through this and make reports to authorities. These poor children. They have nowhere to turn.

Unknown said...

Before I go to bed, I will add to the confusion by saying that I think maybe I mixed together things that Robert said on his sites after the book was released with things he said in his book. Then again, my headache may be causing me to be totally wrong once again! Off I go, hoping that tomorrow will FINALLY be headache free!

Blowing In The Wind said...

The PH minus the D sheep tweeted that all of this is lies because Kate still has custody. News flash! Unfortunately spanking is not illegal in Pennsylvania. When I think about it, though, how hard must a child be hit to leave a red welt? I can't imagine that just your hand alone could do that, unless you really nailed that child. Is it more likely that Kate used some kind of instrument to hit that child...like a wooden spoon or something else? This was a very young child.. What kind of a monster does that, and with such force that it leaves bruises? I wonder if those fans have done the same thing to their children. They obviously see nothing wrong with some good hard blows to discipline a child.

JMO said...

chefsummer #Leh said... 119
Kate is a twit said... 117

Kate speak..I forgot spring break...

Translation..I couldn't grift anything that was free.
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I don't think she forgot about spring break at all. She, most likely, was leaving it open in case TLC wanted to film and as usual, chose not to schedule anything for her money makers, as no one else was paying.
These kids live around TFW's desires, rather than the other way around. Disgusting. And the older they get (ie: M/C), the more hell she will have to pay for her selfishness.

Sorry if this was already posted, but reading posts backwards.

Tucker's Mom said...

chefsummer #Leh said... 119
Kate is a twit said... 117

Kate speak..I forgot spring break...

Translation..I couldn't grift anything that was free.
March 19, 2015 at 7:39 PM
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That's how I read it. I don't think the break just snuck up on her, like at 6:03, she was in the kitchen thinking, "why aren't my kids counting down the seconds until they can come into MY kitchen??".
Kate couldn't grift a trip and TLC wasn't filming, so they had to amuse and play amongst themselves.
There's nothing wrong with that, in fact, it's great to not have those kids tow a rigid filming schedule, but Kate's need to fabricate a narrative is typical.
I think Kate has made up many stories and anecdotes.
Hello, Mr. Tow Truck Man?

Tucker's Mom said...

Sherry Baby said... 120
Any Social Worker who talked to a "reporter" (and I'm using that term loosely) about a case should be fired and lose their license if applicable.

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Did he say that he talked to social workers specifically about the Gosselin case, and just not about children's welfare in general? I don't recall him ever saying that a social worker disclosed details about the Gosselin children, but I really don't know.
March 19, 2015 at 7:39 PM
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I have no idea where the notion of a social worker divulging client information came from, but by all means, demand someone lose their license, job and career.
Just more carnage left in Kate's wake.

TLC stinks said...

A reason for Kate spying on Jon? To get dirt. She passes that along to someone to do her dirty work by leaking to tabs. Also to make claims in court.

Using the twins as spies? She had to have threatened or bribed them. Perhaps Jon said no more and that's why the girls stayed with Kate while the tups visited dad. It was probably never about the girls not wanting to see their dad as Kate claimed.

You know why those twins got phones in 2010? So they could spy on Jon.

Kate takes the award as the EX from HELL.

I have to say at first I was confused as to why someone would leak a 2010 document to Radar, but I am glad they did. It proves how sick she is and has no business raising children. It also proves a pattern of behavior from the time those kids were babies. I cannot wait for the day those kids are bigger than her.

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 121
I wonder if Kate's refusal to have a relationship with Jon has to do with her still being furious about motions like this he filed five years ago.

She never forgives and forgets despite her claims to the contrary. Something like this could cause someone as bitter as her to never speak to him again. Ever.
March 19, 2015 at 7:50 PM
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That document is shocking, even to me.
This isn't Jon's sour grapes. This is the account of Jon, the children and their school teachers, enumerating very concerning conditions the children are dealing with.
A mother who is so angry at her ex, that she forbids anything coming back from him? No phone calls or way to contact their father?

I recall an episode where the kids were packing up to go to Jon's and Kate was complaining about things going, but not making it back to her house.
I'm betting that happens a whole lot when kids live in 2 places.
Way to make the task of packing all about you, Kate.

Tucker's Mom said...

It only takes one or two times of freezing your butt off to learn to be more prepared for the unexpected. For Kate this never sticks.
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Reading this, I had a really bad thought; that another report from nanny, about punishing a boy by locking him outside in the cold, might also be true.
I don't think Kate feels, truly feels, herself for others. If her kids are hot, hungry, cold, it just doesn't get internalized like it does for most people, let alone mothers.
In fact, after reading her journal, I know it. There to too many examples of Kate not taking actions when her kids were sick and injured.
If my dogs had the same symptoms her kids did, I'd never ignore it and wait as long as she did to get medical help.

Rhymes with Witch said...

ROL has 3 - count 'em 3 negative stories about Katie on their current page this morning. Wonder what's up.

JMO said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 121
I wonder if Kate's refusal to have a relationship with Jon has to do with her still being furious about motions like this he filed five years ago.

She never forgives and forgets despite her claims to the contrary. Something like this could cause someone as bitter as her to never speak to him again. Ever.
__________________________

Agreed. She has written off Beth (after trying to rip her off with the book after signing a contract) - who does that? Does not speak with her own family; cut off Jodie and Kevin, Ashley, and list goes on and on.

I always suspected she locked the kids in their room (tups), as it was noted that room was torn apart, dresser knocked over, tissues all over, loaded diapers, etc.... For a couple of years, she had round the clock help, and M and C would entertain the tups before and after school when they were not going full time and while Jon was working.

Suddenly, and without explanation, Jon quits his job. I have always wondered about that and why? It was an income, so why? I am guessing TFW was reported to CPS during this time,and she convinced Jon and/or was forced to have someone with her while "supervising "the tups." Even to this day, she has a "helper" there 20 hours a week, while the kids are home. Required??

With so many people around these kids, not surprising at all, that her horrible decisions resulted in FPS intervention, and we probably don't know the half of it. Locking kids in room for hours, sending old food to school day after day, BLOCKING THE PHONE OR ACCESS TO THEIR FATHER, expulsion from school for 2 of the tups, and the list goes on.... half of which we probably don't know as the kids are probably terrified of the consequences if they tell Jon anything at this point. Ex- Why does Collin allegedly rarely see his father?

I guess when you have so many dirty little secrets, and have to silence or "buy" silence from your own children, you are willing to do whatever it takes to keep up your image, knowing it is all a house of cards.

Based on recent episodes, it is clear to see that these kids are not faring well -constant screaming, hitting, mean behavior, or total silence which I find the most disturbing....

Not going to end well, and this narcissist will never get it, if she hasn't by now. These kids are living in "purchased" silence and we all know where that is going..... BUT THE SHOW MUST GO ON!

I hope TLC wakes up and recognizes this train wreck, because TFW will never stop filming them and I don't think we even know the half of it, because of all the non-disclosure agreements, and the kids' purchased silence under the "penalty of severeness." Who even says that? Really.


Blowing In The Wind said...

What were Sonny Bono' s credentials again? :)

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Good point. The beat goes on?

Blowing In The Wind said...

I always believed Kate abused her children. I don't believe she is capable of maternal love. But it is still sad to have it confirmed. It is sad that the teachers had to help the kids through this and make reports to authorities. These poor children. They have nowhere to turn.

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They have their father, and I believe that's exactly to whom they turned.

JMO said...

Sherry Baby said... 115
Milo is ignorant. She doesn't have the foggiest idea what the court bought or did not buy.

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I pretty much ignore her, and don't often read on twitter, let alone ever post on twitter. I don't find her recent posted "distortions" entertaining at all. If Jon is wrong in my opinion, I say so. And likewise with TFW. BUT Milo and fans refuse to acknowledge any bad behavior on TFW's part, so I pretty much ignore them at this point. Which is why I find the "twitter wars" pointless.

Like talking to a brick wall.

TLC stinks said...

BTW, Milo got it right when she called it a "smear campaign". It appears that is the only way to get attention that the woman is an abuser. Perhaps TLC will think twice about giving her a stage to pretend she loves her kids. Drip, drip, drip. The more publicity, the more likely people will believe there is something to the constant allegations. I do not understand what is going on with that Family Court or CPS when concerns have been around for years and the kids remain with a disturbed parent. Is it all about who has a high priced attorney? Prejudice for mothers? Fancy home and school?

JMO said...

Kate is a twit said... 117
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Sorry, reading posts backwards. Your post makes complete sense as always.

I reached the same conclusion, but without all of the data. You are an awesome historian : )

JMO said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 106
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I completely agree. The fact that she even considered doing this is beyond belief. (Not really with TFW). But this just shows what a huge
parent alienator she truly is. And it WILL come back to bite her in the butt. 100%- of this I am quite sure, but at what expense to the kids?!

Problem is she is projecting her own fears on to her kids and this never turns out well. How did she ever think blocking the kids from speaking to their father was ever going fly? Just shows how egotistical she was (well still is) until she was called on the carpet for her insane behavior.
Why could they not talk to their dad? What was she afraid of? Why block the phone or have the nanny monitor calls to dad?

Any normal person could figure out something wasn't quite right back in 2010, let alone now.

JMO said...

Tucker's Mom said... 9
Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 14m14 minutes ago
Obviously no truth 2the accusations which BTW anyone can file..doesn't mean it is fact! Court didn't buy it. Kate has the kids! @Kateplusmy8
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So, Leah lied?
Wow, way to blame the victim.
I hope Jon photographed the injuries for documentation purposes.

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Milo is a disgraceful nut bag to post this. Calling the kids and Jon liars.
Doesn't mean it is not truth; intervention may have been imposed by the Court beyond public record.

JMO said...

Tucker's Mom said... 8

It's ironic that Leah told Jon Kate hit her after she bit her brother. Violence for violence.
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It speaks volumes about what goes on in the house, and is supported by recent filming. Violence often breeds violence.

Tucker's Mom said...

. I agree with Admin, this would earn Jon her undying hatred.

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And then there's Kate, snidely griping all sympatico-like to Trump about being in court a lot.
She just thinks anything she does should never be questioned by anyone.

Tucker's Mom said...

What were Sonny Bono' s credentials again? :)
March 19, 2015 at 10:18 PM
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Ah, Sonny Bobo (thank you, Michael Scott).
There's Fred Grandy, too. Respected and much loved. Used to love his radio show, Andy and Grandy.

Anonymous said...

Admin said...

The kids need to know for their own peace of mind he tried to help. Teachers tried to help. So did nannies. There is proof now. His statement that his kids know the truth makes so much sense now.

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And the kids need to know we all cared, from the beginning, and we're still here rooting for them.

I'm confident that those kids are learning (albeit, the hard way) how to think for themselves. They are learning coping and survival skills through really tragic circumstances. They will learn how to dress themselves appropriately for the weather because their gestational carrier doesn't give a rat's ass about them.

PJ

Anonymous said...

Confidentiality said...

Any Social Worker who talked to a "reporter" (and I'm using that term loosely) about a case should be fired and lose their license if applicable.

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As should any "lawyer" (and I'm using that term loosely too) who uses their position to release information to others.

Or doctor, or politician or court clerk...

PJ

localyocul said...

Besides telling the kids not to talk to the teachers (RED FLAG), wasn't there also a report that she would not allow the kids to see guidance counselors at the school? This is why a lot of abusers "home school". Not that homeschoolers are abusive, but some use home schooling as an excuse to not have a mandatory reporter in their abused kids' lives.

localyocul said...

Then he dare bring her into court, question her parenting, and get the judge to order to stop doing certain things, or else. Or else what, I can only guess. But it would have to be something significant, such as loss of legal custody, or maybe some kind of deeper investigation into her parenting. I agree with Admin, this would earn Jon her undying hatred.

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What would really be awesome would be to see an actual order telling her heiness to stop doing these things, especially if it noted that teachers DID verify some of them.

NJGal51 said...

I have a friend that worked construction, was a carpenter, taught martial arts and then became "self-employed" as the person who delivers magazines to grocery stores, book stores, etc. He went to school nights to earn his college degree. He decided to run for state house as our local rep. He didn't have a big money campaign. He appeared on local radio and did local interviews and put the campaign signs up all over town He is well known and liked in the community and he jumped from job to job. He won and is still our local rep and he and his family still live here. It can be done.

Tucker's Mom said...

I wonder if those fans have done the same thing to their children. They obviously see nothing wrong with some good hard blows to discipline a child.
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A LOT of sheep responded by saying "so what? I spanked my kid/I got spanked".
Well, I got spanked, too and I turned out fine and loved my parents. However, I got the belt at times, and I think that's wrong. Plain wrong.
Jon noticed the welt on his little girl a couple days after Kate hit her.
Come on, that's abusive.
A spank leaves a red mark for a while, but not welts and bruising.
A strap, switch or spoon would cause injury, WHICH IS WHAT WELTS ARE BRUISING ARE!

Locking the children in their rooms is in my estimation, a reason to have someone visit the home to ensure that ridiculous situation has been rectified and to certify that Kate understands just how misguided it is.

Winsomeone said...

After reading the court documents, it makes me wonder even more what kind of person the judge in their case is? Seems like at some point, the man ought to have had a little voice inside telling him that just maybe he made a mistake, and that Jon would be the better parent for those kids to live with. Also really makes me wonder if TLC didn't bribe him in some manner.

Tucker's Mom said...

NJGal51 said... 161
I have a friend that worked construction, was a carpenter, taught martial arts and then became "self-employed" as the person who delivers magazines to grocery stores, book stores, etc. He went to school nights to earn his college degree. He decided to run for state house as our local rep. He didn't have a big money campaign. He appeared on local radio and did local interviews and put the campaign signs up all over town He is well known and liked in the community and he jumped from job to job. He won and is still our local rep and he and his family still live here. It can be done.
March 20, 2015 at 6:50 AM
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Great success story. I think Jon could accomplish elected office in PA because he curries the votes of the people who #1, love the underdog and #2 who have watched Kate castigate and run him over with her BBB for years.
Kate, otoh, who thinks she works sooo hard, raising 8 kids all alone as a single mother, #allroles, wouldn't win head of the local boob-job club.

Tucker's Mom said...

What would really be awesome would be to see an actual order telling her heiness to stop doing these things, especially if it noted that teachers DID verify some of them.
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There has to be one, right?
The concerns addressed in Jon's complaint would, imo, warrant intervention and follow up to ensure these issues were rectified.

Tucker's Mom said...

localyocul said... 159
Besides telling the kids not to talk to the teachers (RED FLAG), wasn't there also a report that she would not allow the kids to see guidance counselors at the school?
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During J+K+8, Kate proudly told the world that she instructs her kids to tell people who ask about growing up in that home, and filming, that they won't talk about it with anyone.
It's no one's business.
At the time, filming was their life (right, Kate?) and I though how odd that the kids were told to be secretive about it.
Kate tried to make it sound all light and breezy, but it was a huge red flag.
Why can't kids discuss their lives with their friends and school mates?

localyocul said...

Tucker's Mom said... 165
What would really be awesome would be to see an actual order telling her heiness to stop doing these things, especially if it noted that teachers DID verify some of them.
*****
There has to be one, right?
The concerns addressed in Jon's complaint would, imo, warrant intervention and follow up to ensure these issues were rectified.

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Either an order, or they would be spelled out in the custody arrangement as requested (unless the request was not granted)

Rhymes with Witch said...

The concerns addressed in Jon's complaint would, imo, warrant intervention and follow up to ensure these issues were rectified. 165

They would in my state.
No wonder she is so furious with Jon. No only did he stop the filming (temporarily at least), he publicly (in court) called her out.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Any paperwork would be dismissed by the fans as forgery or
something rewritten or altered by photoshop. Or supplied by
Jon and/or Robert. Or Ellen. Or Liz. Or Colonel Mustard...

Anonymous said...

And if you read the court docs closely the welt was on Leah DAYS after she was hit. That's whats so shocking, not a red mark immediately after a spank, a WELT DAYS LATER, that is NOT spanking, that is a beating!! And the POS intentionally turned the doorknobs the other way around, she went out of her way to install them in backwards and she instructed the babysitter to lock them in...who in the hell does THAT??? and feed your children moldy food ???? the one who claims she's a germaphobe, Im beyond disgusted. And as we all suspected, she has instructed the kids to not share any of this with others, so just because there are no recent reports does not mean it isn't still happening the kids have just learned to keep quiet under threat of severe punishment, and I do believe its still happening, beatings, lockdowns, starvation and mental torture, she revels in thinking up new age appropriate punishments because she is EVIL !!

laura jean

angie said...

Ya know you read about abuse cases in the paper and see it on the news, but seeing those court papers put the 'real' in 'reality'.
I just can't imagine locking a kid in their room. It is beyond my comprehension.

Somewhere (think Robert's book?) it's noted that Kate has instructed the kids NOT to talk to the counselors at school. HUGE red flag.

I don't know how Kate shows her face at that school, knowing that the kid's teacher KNOW she's a child abuser. Maybe that's why she isn't involved in school activities.

As far as her having the twins report to Jon while the kids are visiting their dad, what IS her deal? That makes no sense. If she in constant fear that the kids will rat out her abusive behavior? And blocking his number, what a vindictive biotch. Her behavior scares me, I've never had anyone in my life that is just so freaking mean. I don't know how Jon and the kids have endured it.

getoftweeter said...

I see Kate is hiding out. Last tweet was only 1 tweet 2 days ago. Kate must be up to something and /or something legal or she is filming. Way too quiet! I'm waiting for the next ROL article, either on her or another Jon article that her PR people put out. Kate has not been a very popular CA celeb, since she was only on TV Talk shows that were contracted to have her on cause of Trump. I guess the doors have been locked.

JMO said...

Blowing In The Wind said... 148
I always believed Kate abused her children. I don't believe she is capable of maternal love. But it is still sad to have it confirmed. It is sad that the teachers had to help the kids through this and make reports to authorities. These poor children. They have nowhere to turn.

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They have their father, and I believe that's exactly to whom they turned.

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I agree, as they should have. But have to wonder if TFW has imposed most stringent and less obvious ways to punish the kids for any disclosure outside the home, as they all have to live with her.

I am sure at this point it has become emotional and psychological threats to "tow the line" which is often worse. The fact that she said talk to no one at school, blocked Jon, and still has had at least a couple or more CPS complaints speaks volumes.

The constant fighting amongst the kids, mostly the younger girls, hitting/pushing the boys speaks volumes, and that the sheriff has privately established New Rules and it is never going to change. Always found it interesting that the girl tups got such a long leash on hitting, tattling, nastiness, etc.. but yet the boys barely speak. Sorry, but something is still really wrong here. And we couldn't observe this if she didn't continue to film them.

JMO said...

IMO, those backwards locks were on the doors for years, and TFW used them as well. She is nucking futs. She really did not want to deal with those kids!

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 169
Any paperwork would be dismissed by the fans as forgery or
something rewritten or altered by photoshop. Or supplied by
Jon and/or Robert. Or Ellen. Or Liz. Or Colonel Mustard...
March 20, 2015 at 7:53 AM
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Ha, or the bogeyman or Beth or....

localyocul said...

getoftweeter said... 172
I see Kate is hiding out. Last tweet was only 1 tweet 2 days ago. Kate must be up to something and /or something legal or she is filming. Way too quiet! I'm waiting for the next ROL article, either on her or another Jon article that her PR people put out. Kate has not been a very popular CA celeb, since she was only on TV Talk shows that were contracted to have her on cause of Trump. I guess the doors have been locked.

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Maybe a kid changed the unlock code on her iphone and she's locked out, hahaha

PJ's momma said...

Some people are acting like THEY are personally being charged with child abuse/neglect, rather than Kate. Doesn't it ever cross their minds for a second that at least some of the allegations may be true?

My mom WAS an abuser. And now I know that my aunts and uncles DID suspect, even without court documents or tabloids. It actually pains my heart to know that they suspected and did nothing. I feel sorry for the G kids.

Wow.

Tucker's Mom said...

March 20, 2015 at 7:02 AM
Winsomeone said... 163
After reading the court documents, it makes me wonder even more what kind of person the judge in their case is? Seems like at some point, the man ought to have had a little voice inside telling him that just maybe he made a mistake, and that Jon would be the better parent for those kids to live with. Also really makes me wonder if TLC didn't bribe him in some manner.
March 20, 2015 at 7:16 AM
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Well, I wouldn't go that far, but I do believe that the state of PA had a lot to lose if filming got shut down and I wonder if that affected decisions on many levels.

Tucker's Mom said...

JMO said... 174
IMO, those backwards locks were on the doors for years, and TFW used them as well. She is nucking futs. She really did not want to deal with those kids!
March 20, 2015 at 8:20 AM
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Did you notice them during the show (J+K+8)?
That IS nucking futz. Those kids could have locked the door on their siblings, and that, my friends, is why it's against code to have an outdoor lock.
You MUST have a means of egress.
Gawd, when I think about Kate sobbing about how would she get 6 bebbies out of the house if a fire occurred.
She had to have locked them in for them to not get out of their room once they could crawl out of their cribs.
It would be interesting to go back and watch the early shows to see if the bedrooms had locks on the outside.

JMO said...

Happy First Day of Spring to Northeast Coast! Gotta laugh as it is snowing! Not complaining at all but do love that we have 4 seasons, although their length varies as years go on : )

JMO said...

Tucker's Mom said... 179-----

Probably flipped for filming as she is nucking futs!! All about appearances if they were filming the kids' rooms.

Tucker's Mom said...

JMO said... 180
Happy First Day of Spring to Northeast Coast! Gotta laugh as it is snowing! Not complaining at all but do love that we have 4 seasons, although their length varies as years go on : )
*****
We had some fluffy, ploppy wet flakes.
Of course that means I have to fire up The Beast to clear my driveway ;/

Formerly Duped said...

JMO, snow forecast here too. But agree, love having four seasons. I hope we do have spring between this ghastly winter and hot humid summer! My witch hazel tree has started to bloom on top while snow buries the trunk.

*took my 8 week- post-op dog for a walk. She does ok with her harness on, but slips easily- well, it is icy still, and her R hind leg is sort of 'bumping' into the L- the L is the weaker side?? She has a PT referral coming up in April.Nice to have her back by my side on walks though :)

Vanessa said...

Hey Milo, is that monster trending yet?

swingsandroundabouts said...

Tucker's Mom said...162


Locking the children in their rooms is in my estimation, a reason to have someone visit the home to ensure that ridiculous situation has been rectified and to certify that Kate understands just how misguided it is.

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It is more than misguided, I think. Locking kids in their rooms is only marginally better than locking them under the stairs. It is abuse and she is insane.

angie said...

The only person I can think of that would turn those locked knobs to face outward is Steve.Kate can't even replace a window screen, there's no way she turned those knobs around. If the knobs were reversed in the old house, then Jon is complicit.

I can't imagine a reputable company would willingly turn all those knobs around. Seems that it would be illegal!
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And feeding your children moldy strawberries is beyond what I can comprehend.
Jon was right, Kate needs a mental evaluation. She's mentally ill.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

And here we were talking about how TFW considers her kids
as more property than human beings. Well, locking them in their
rooms is even worse than being property. They were essentially
prisoners.

You know what I wish she'd get for her 40th birthday? An
intervention.

Tucker's Mom said...

*took my 8 week- post-op dog for a walk. She does ok with her harness on, but slips easily- well, it is icy still, and her R hind leg is sort of 'bumping' into the L- the L is the weaker side?? She has a PT referral coming up in April.Nice to have her back by my side on walks though :)
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She's coming along, God bless her-and you!
Although our Bichon had a L T13-L1 herniation, his involvement was bilateral and each leg came along at different time frames.
We were happy with the function he had when all was said and done.
Wasn't pretty in the beginning, but he worked it!

Sue_Buddy said...

Milo's latest tweet. She didn't tweet directly to Kate, just a random tweet.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dolcedanielle/10614071484/sizes/l/in/photostream/

I find it very odd and suggestive of rape.

AuntieAnn said...

Lanc Native said... 73

I, too, thought that the repeat, old, stale leftovers in the lunch was a rumor, but, it's not.

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No, and neither is the locked doors claim. The teachers knew about it, Milo, no matter how much you claim all of this is lies. There's more to it, but that's all I'm going to say on the subject.

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I absolutely believe you.

The most sickening part of all this is TLC continued to spoonfeed the monster. The kids health and safety wasn't important to them, protecting the abuser was their priority. The show was at the height of popularity so there was too much at stake to have the abuse issues surface. Kate was abusing the kids and the dogs and TLC covered her ass.

With all the power and money the network had to hire attorneys I'm of the opinion that anyone who even hinted about reporting the abuse was promptly threatened or at least reminded of the disclosure agreements they had signed. Look what they did to Jon when he backed out and he was the father of those kids. They were even shutting blogs down - or attempting to - in an effort to quell the dissidents who weren't buying the 'supermom' storyline.

TLC and Kate and that asshole Steve all need to have their feet roasted over the fire in a courtroom.

chefsummer #Leh said...

I don't know how Kate shows her face at that school, knowing that the kid's teacher KNOW she's a child abuser.

-Kate has no shame IDT she cares what the teachers or other parents think.


Maybe that's why she isn't involved in school activities

-Or she to damn lazy to do anything with or for the kids unless it filmed or photographed.

chefsummer #Leh said...

TLC doesn't care about the G8 they only care about how much money the G8 bring in.

Formerly Duped said...

If teachers knew about the locks & reported it, I really don't get why social serves weren't more proactive. This is dangerous as well as cruel.

Formerly Duped said...

Tucker: Thanks! Glad to hear abut your Bichon's progress too, as a comparison and all your wealth of info. Yes, what a difference from when we brought her home, with practically useless back limbs. I am so grateful I never once have minded taking her out at night or cleaning up a mess. But luckily most of that is in the past- she goes out at all hours, but full function. She has always been a night owl. Good time to stargaze! And a cold snowy night is particularly beautiful.
Can't say I will mind if spring decides to show up though!

JMO said...

Formerly Duped said... 183
JMO, snow forecast here too. But agree, love having four seasons. I hope we do have spring between this ghastly winter and hot humid summer! My witch hazel tree has started to bloom on top while snow buries the trunk.

*took my 8 week- post-op dog for a walk. She does ok with her harness on, but slips easily- well, it is icy still, and her R hind leg is sort of 'bumping' into the L- the L is the weaker side?? She has a PT referral coming up in April.Nice to have her back by my side on walks though :)

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Best wishes for a speedy recovery for your furry friend :)

Math Girl said...

I think most parents have to keep track of spring break so they can make arrangements for child care, not so they can book their all-inclusive vacation in the Caribbean. But then, I'm kind of mediocre myself.
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Loved the word "ploppy". It describes those big flakes in relatively mild weather really well. In my household, big snow flakes are called "fluffies".
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Usage lesson for today: it's "toe the line", not "tow the line". It's like watching TV at the Gosselin household (or lining up for a race), not like helping pull a boat in to a dock.

FYI said...

Sue_Buddy said... 189
Milo's latest tweet. She didn't tweet directly to Kate, just a random tweet.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dolcedanielle/10614071484/sizes/l/in/photostream/

I find it very odd and suggestive of rape.
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That's a picture of Katie Perry that appeared in W magazine. The quote is from the lyrics for her song "Roar". Although it may suggest rape, it's more about woman empowering themselves.

Milo is probably saving it to tweet to Kate. She tends to load pictures to her twitter account first, and then tweets them to Kate when she feels the time is right. Since the article about the court papers came out, she's been a-tweetin' platitudes to Kate. She tweeted this one earlier:

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack · 2h2 hours ago
@kateplusmy8 "Once in a golden hour, I cast to earth a seed. Up there came a flower, ..the people said a weed." So it is N #EyesOfCritics

That quote is from a poem by Alfred Lord Tennyson called "The Flower". Is she comparing Kate to a flower now?

She must spend her days looking for appropriate quotes and platitudes to send to Kate. That is, when she isn't smearing Jon and Robert, or tweeting to Kate.

TLC stinks said...

angle, I thought that too! It just seemed logical to me that Steve turned those locks around because Kate does not know which end of a screwdriver to use (just how to drink it).

Nannies were complicit too because they probably had to lock the kids in at night.

Terri said...

Has anyone ever considered the thought that Collin was one of the children that told his teacher about being locked in his room and that is why he doesn't go see Jon anymore. I'm sure Kate doesn't want him to spill anymore of her secrets.

redbird said...

I saw that Sue_Buddy. This is incredibly creepy. The suggestion of rape and it is a picture of Katie P. who sang, I kissed a girl and I liked it.

The rape suggestion, the name Katie and kissing a girl and liking it. Sounds like someone is getting more unstable by the second! Even though she didn't direct it to TFW, it was meant for her to see!

That is very frightening!

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