- Multiple times, Josh molested five girls who lived in the family home in 2002, presumably his sisters.
- The incidents occurred while the minors were sleeping. Some of the incidents were classified as felonies.
- Church elders did not reach out to law enforcement
- In 2006, producers from Oprah contacted child services after hearing about the incidents. (Thank you, Oprah producers, for doing the moral and just thing for the victims.)
- Josh went to counseling and "sought after God."
- Josh has resigned from the PAC the Family Research Counsel
- In a statement the Duggars said Josh made mistakes that shocked the family, and they were addressed in counseling, and of course, they sought God.
- TLC has not released a statement other than to refer to the Duggar's statement.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 307 of 307 Newer› Newest»Kate's fan, Lauren, who has always been very anti-Duggar has been tweeting like crazy for TLC to get rid of them. Another Kate fan who loves to call her non-fans "blackhearted busy bodies", took Lauren to task and told her to stop harassing the Duggars.
Gee Whiz @GeeWhiz__ · 13h13 hours ago
@ljohnson2006 No one forces you to watch their show. You are doing to the Duggers what the haters do to Kate!
Lauren @ljohnson2006 · 13h13 hours ago
@GeeWhiz__ these accusations are true
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GOOD FOR Lauren. Being a good fan does not mean you have to keep supporting them when something like this comes out.
TLC is going to get theirs in the end because they had to have vetted these people, and if they did not, they were blinded by making money.
First let me clarify that I have no love for TLC and whole heartedly agree that they are about making money. They are the modern day equivalent to the circus freak shows of old.
That being said, I'm not sure a background check would have revealed anything. Josh was a minor when this occurred and I could be wrong but it was my impression that the courts seal most records involving minors.
In addition, there were no criminal charges or convictions in the case. So again, I'm not sure anything would have shown up in a standard background check. However, I am certainly no expert in these matters, so please correct me if I am wrong.
In any case, I agree that with that many kids, there is no way the parents were monitoring anything. I also have to wonder if Josh himself was abused when he was younger? I know that correlation does not imply causation necessarily, but I also was under the impression that sexual abuse is often times cyclical.
Just a horrible situation. I am not for limiting the number of children you can have (we have 5) but when confronted with people like the Duggers, the thought is tempting.
Kate is a twit said... 196
Milo is proving more and more what an idiot she is.
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I imagine Milo trying to figure out how to spin this Duggar thing. Does it prove Kate's sainthood since the OTHER shows have problems? And since the Duggar kids aren't perfect like the Gosselin children are? Or does it cast aspersions on Saint Kate because she's been affiliated with TLC for so long? But what if H really IS trying to live with her dad? Can Milo fault Jon for that? Could she throw H under the bus to make Kate look better? What to do, what to do?? Milo was probably up all night wringing her hands and moaning in front of her alter to Kate, all the candles burning.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/05/22/does-discoverytlc-have-child-molester-problem/
Public Relations Specialist Ryan McCormick cautioned that the situation could worsen for the network if it turns out someone at TLC was aware of the Duggar allegations before the show was put on the air.
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Holy Whack-A-Mole Batman.
In your experience, are there ever instances where offenders can actually safely have children of their own?
That, to me, seems like an enormous risk.
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In CA, appellate courts are leaning toward no, depending on how bad the incident or incidents were. (Shaundale G., again) It makes a difference, however, if your children are all male and you only molested females, or vice versa. There's a split of authority about that. It also makes a difference if your contact is always monitored or if the child wasn't really ever in your custody but resided with their mom (Ana C., my case, reversed to say the 17 year old bio kid was NOT at risk.). To be safe, no don't ever have kids with a sex offender or risk losing them. In CA anyway. I have seen many cases where there is no evidence biological kids were ever harmed. That doesn't mean it's not risky.
The Bill Handel radio show was talking about it all morning. Major AM radio program all over southern CA.
You don't think TLC is trying to determine if they can weather this or not, do you? It is everywhere on every news site.
Oh, my--the listing on TLC right now says it's an episode of 19 Kids, but that's not what is on. It's a re-run of The LIttle Couple. And NONE of the ads are for 19 Kids shows. It used to be that you couldn't go 10 minutes on TLC without seeing something about the Duggars. Instead, the ads are all for The Little Couple, Amish, Curvy Brides, and the Wills Family. Interesting...
If this were Kate Plus 8 or one of the little people shows or the Willis family they would be gone already.
I think the ONLY thing holding TLC back right now is the cornerstone, juggernaut nature of this program. This is their showpiece program. They are sitting right now with PR people, production and executives trying to figure out is there ANY way this can be salvaged. Every time, their answer is going to come up "no" but they're going to try today anyway.
Oh well, shouldn't have banked everything on this one show.
Interesting report today in the local news. Apparently PA does take wooden spoon beatings/spankings seriously enough to arrest an adult...
"EAST PENNSBORO TOWNSHIP, Pa. —A Cumberland County day care teacher is charged with abusing children.East Pennsboro Township police say.
Shelley Kolln would choke the kids and beat them with spoons when they cried. Some were as young as three years old.
The incidents began back in December, according to investigators.
Parents noticed the injuries and called police.
Police provided the following account of the case:
"On December 10, 2014, the East Pennsboro Township Police received a phone call from the father of a 3 year old child female child who reported that he believed his daughter's daycare teacher, Shelley J. Kolln, was abusing the children she cares for.
Daycare teacher accused of choking children, beating them with spoons
It was reported that in mid-October of 2014, the complainant noticed several injuries to his daughter's face, ear and back. The child reported to her father that the injuries were caused by her teacher, Shelley, and that she hits the children with spoons and chokes them when they are crying.
On January 13, 2015, the complainant called to follow-up with the initial report. He advised that his daughter had stated that Shelley Kolln would choke children when they had accidents with their bowel movements and that on one occasion she had been choked until she began to cough.
The complainant had spoken with two other parents who also had noticed similar injuries to their children. Shelley J. Kolln was arrested for 3 counts of Simple Assault and 1 count of Endangering Welfare of Children and will face a preliminary hearing before District Judge Clement."
For bowel accidents...hmmmm!
Oh, my--the listing on TLC right now says it's an episode of 19 Kids, but that's not what is on. It's a re-run of The LIttle Couple. And NONE of the ads are for 19 Kids shows.
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Yep. On my tv channel listing on TLC, at the bottom of the program, it is saying that right now the Duggars are on this channel, but it's LC showing.
All hell and hypocrisy aside, he apologized via People?!? WTH? I guess it is because they have this family on their cover autodial. His sisters, and their weddings and pregnancies, have been over there lately. Guess they are also shaking their heads. I do not think this is going away soon. TLC has really been caught this time. Honey Boo Boo was nowhere near as important to them, again more hypocrisy, so good on for Mama June in pointing that out, not that she has a chance of a lawsuit.
Those poor Duggar sisters, and whoever else this predator touched. Obviously the Duggar spin will never focus on the real victims, so maybe the media attention will force the hypocrisy to the surface. As for Anna and her children, this is a very delicate, and potentially damaging situation for them too. So apologize to People magazine all you want, the s*#t has really hit the fan.
I cannot even imagine the Duggars showing up to this Block Party a week from now.
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I never did care for Josh. I always found him to be a pompas, know -it all a-hole. When I think back, I did get the impression that the girls were always a little, uncomfortable, around Josh. They seemed very happy he was getting married. I took it to mean they were glad he was gone due to his know it all attitude, pompas -a-holeness, and his bossyness. Not even thinking they were molested and glad he was gone.
Virginia Pen, 3...
There's an easy solution for Milo. She's caught between a rock and a hard place. She just needs to shut up and not say anything. Deflect. She's too dumb to figure that out, though.
Stop it, I never said any such thing.
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You came pretty darn close. Substitute "many" for "most" and the poster pretty much hit the nail on the head. You also said that Josh might not have a screw loose. Just because incest is more "common" than some people might want to admit does not make it "normal." I find it unbelievable that you would state that he might not have a "screw loose." He is a child molester. That is not in any way, shape or form "normal."
Oh well, shouldn't have banked everything on this one show.
Knowing what they knew. Or should have known.
Anytime you're marketing anything so prominently, and identifying your brand so heavily with it...it's smart, due diligence, to be aware of *everything* being said about your item.
Investigate further. Have a plan B in case the rumors are true. Have a plan that can be put into immediate action should something fall apart.
Which tells me they're going to try to weather this.
TLC deserves this. They make money off the oddball, so it stands to reason there are going to be some very bad things going on when you seek out people who are not main stream. We, the viewers, have kept TLC in business and I totally regret ever watching Jon and Kate Plus 8.
The law of averages, with so many kids (and this includes Kate) is that you are going to have some aberrant behavior among the children. So far, nothing as vile as Josh Duggar has surfaced among Kate's, but who knows what her abuse will eventually spawn? A couple of narcissists...you bet. Problems with relationships? Sure. Lying to get your way? Absolutely. Physical and verbal abuse to dominate others? Yep. It just astounds me that in this case a judge would think the environment those kids are being raised in is ok. I suspect some of them, if not most, see how abnormal their lives are and just want to be loved with no strings attached.
And yet another episode of what was supposed to be a 19 Kids marathon replaced my The Little Couple. Looks like all of them will be replaced, at least today. TLC is in full damage control right now.
As a business, it's your job to know *everything* about your commodity. There's no way that TLC can legitimately say that they were clueless about this. Or about TFW and her child abuse.
They just choose to turn a blind eye and hope it doesn't all blow up.
So much for side-hugs....
In any case, I agree that with that many kids, there is no way the parents were monitoring anything. I also have to wonder if Josh himself was abused when he was younger? I know that correlation does not imply causation necessarily, but I also was under the impression that sexual abuse is often times cyclical.
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Part of the cyclical nature is that when personal boundaries are violated at an early age, there is a loss of a sense of what is appropriate. Also, without treatment, people get stuck at the emotional age that the trauma, molestatiin amd/or abuse that occurred. So, it makes sense that Josh may have been molested, and is carrying out the script that was created. Often, victims of rape or molestation will recreate the trauma, by seeking out abusive people. But, often, they will take the role of the perpetrator.
As far as that statistic that 20% of females are abused by a relative, I think that the overwhelming majority are creepy uncles and grandfathers stepfathers, cousins and fathers. They have repeated access to the kids, and time for lengthy grooming to take place.
In the Duggar family, the older kids are parentified, so I think he functioned more in a parental role, rather than as a sibling. I think the lack of parental supervision may have contributed, but abusing a helpless 5 year old while they are sleeping takes a very twisted sociopathic kind of personality. Tragedy for all concerned--especially the victims that will producing generations of children so have this in their family script.
There is clearly something off with any family that has turned their families into fodder for mass consumption. If this type of behavior is going to happen, it doesn't seem surprising that it would be in this one or any other reality family.
My TV cable guide lists 19 Kids and Counting, but The Little Couple is on. Progress? I don't think I've seen any commercials for the Guggar's show either.
And do not forget all the controversy surrounding Long Island Medium as a faker. Of course, TLC just will say these shows are entertainment but really?
TLC definitely needs to cancel the Block Party. I'd say it would be a good opportunity for protesters to show up if they decide to go on with it.
Kate is a twit said... 122
I found this blog that had a post back in March of 2006. The post was about their then upcoming specials.
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Geez, KIAT, thanks for finding that. "Alice" really did know details, didn't she, and provided info not even put into current articles, such as who was included among the victims (oldest girl was not).
Of course TLC knew about this. No question about it. I'm surprised it took this long to surface. As my mother would say, "Eventually, you always get found out." The Duggars case of grifting appears to be as acute as Kate's, only they continue to do it under the guise of God's kindness, God's blessings, God's generosity, etc. Kate gave that up a few years ago, but what the heck, the grifting for her still works without His help.
Good article by Ken Tucker about the Duggars titled Josh Duggar, Molestation, And The Hypocrisy Of Reality TV"
https://www.yahoo.com/tv/josh-duggar-molestation-19-kids-and-counting-119599893620.html
An excerpt:
"There seems no possible way TLC would not have known of this appalling situation. (As of now, the network has not commented on Josh Duggar’s statements.) The Kids and Counting production crew has spent so much time with this clan over the years, it’s extremely unlikely that they’ve not heard discussions of this major event in the family’s history.
This is the recurring problem with reality TV: The very source of its appeal — this isn’t fiction, it’s real life, true and unscripted! — is what makes it more vulnerable when confronted with scandal. When an actor in a scripted TV show is accused of a crime, that becomes something in his personal life that may or may not affect how the public views the character that actor portrays. But in a show like 19 Kids and Counting, the real people are the characters, and vice versa. How does one look at Josh now, and not wonder about his actions? How does one look at the cheery faces of Jim Bob and Michelle and not think about about the degree of their complicity in keeping this “storyline” — for that’s what all real events become in this TV genre — suppressed?
We as an audience and as human beings can move beyond disgust and have pity or sympathy or feelings of forgiveness for Josh and his parents — that’s what this family’s religion would offer as an alternative to disapproval or hatred. But just as TLC’s Jon and Kate Plus 8 underwent a sea-change in the way it was viewed once the Gosselins divorced, so the likely truth is that from this point on, a big segment of the Kids and Counting audience is going to tune in for more prurient reasons: To look and gaze at those kids and wonder who has been wounded by these alleged acts. And to wonder just how much longer these reality TV stars — held up for years as beacons of pure family values — can be tolerated by viewers."
Well shades of Katie Kreider. It was all part of God's plan. She knew about them long before she met them? Things that make you go hmmmmmm?
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Highly suspicious. She was attracted to media reports of the family and sought him out. Their meeting was not organic.
So TLC pulled it from the lineup today. They had to.....cancellation has to be just hours away .
I noticed on TLC's home page the Willis family pops up now. I think the signs are written on the wall. Incredible TLC has not cancelled the show. It just confounds me that after they cancelled Kate, here she comes again. Just how bad does the publicity regarding her have to get before they realize that she is another PR disaster? Man, I bet she is on the phone today trying to get some shows lined up. Wise up, TLC. She is trouble, which I bet you already know about.
Interesting it comes out now she was gone for FOUR days last week, no doubt shacked up with Jeff Millionaire. If they are so serious, why didn't he stay at the house? She is using him because that is what she does. Sex in exchange for what?
Investigate further. Have a plan B in case the rumors are true
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Looks like their plan B is little people. Good plan. Not.
I would think that this is a very confusing time for some of Kate's sheeple. The Duggars have now been exposed. They are not the perfect, kind, God-fearing close-knit family that they have put forth on television. They have covered this up, but the truth finally surfaced. If this could happen in a family like this, then what are the chances that Kate, their idol, could also be guilty of the child and pet abuse allegations that Robert made public? Could she, in fact, not be the inspirational, amazing and awesome mom that she presents herself to be? Are there skeletons in her closet -- beating her kids into their cribs for not potty training fast enough, smacking them behind closed doors, whacks that were so hard that those in the home heard her?
Yes, difficult sheeple times, I would think. All is not sunshine and roses in that home, and the fact that Hannah wouldn't return home should give them some clue as to what's going on there. Will they believe it? With the exception of Gladys, perhaps some of them may in time have their eyes opened up.
TLC cannot weather this out. Duggars are toast. Hopefully Katie Krieder is next. People need to speak out. It's time. She has gotten too many passes. I do not believe her association with the likes of Jeff Millionaire is a good thing. I got to believe TLC would not be so stupid to risk putting her back on TV weekly. She's a ticking time bomb. And not talented. And the kids are growing up and kids, as we know, are sneaky creatures. She cannot control them forever. Thanks to Hannah, I have hope the others are rebelling. They want normal.
Betcha TFW is "working" today -- home manning the internet
for Duggar dirt, and checking TLC every half hour to see if her
own show is on instead of theirs.
Perhaps Jon has photos of any physical abuse? Thought about that when I read the above story about the daycare provider hitting with a spoon.
I am convinced that TLC know all about Josh's past, and simply didn't care as long as the show got high ratings. TLC does not care about the victimization of children. Case in point: TLC signed Kate up for more episodes after her journals were published and after the twins' appearance on the Today show. TLC knew full well that Kate was abusing and manipulating those kids, and they rewarded her for it. Just like they rewarded the Duggars, knowing full well that there was a child molester in the family. TLC abuses, exploits, and victimizes children. Period.
It's so sad and this incident or incidents with Josh just highlight the hypocrisy that isolating them protects them. BS. I find these people to be very arrogant in their beliefs
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Love this point.
They defend their way of doing things as way to protect the girls against immoral influences, temptations or straying from "God".
The "devil" or evil that those nut jobs arrogantly lectured their girls about was right in their midst. The proverbial wolf in sheep's clothing.
Interesting it comes out now she was gone for FOUR days last week, no doubt shacked up with Jeff Millionaire. If they are so serious, why didn't he stay at the house? She is using him because that is what she does. Sex in exchange for what?
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Yes, she disappears for 4 days without giving her kids her cell # (still don't get that) but she "allegedly" uses her connections with the police to find out where Jon is WORKING.
that’s what this family’s religion would offer as an alternative to disapproval or hatred.
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Actually THEY are the only ones worthy of forgiveness. In their religion they are the ones who shun oust and condemn the "sinners". But one of their own? Nah. God speaks only to them.
Must be nice to just "pray" and then profess all is good, all is forgiven, all is to be forgotten...great defense strategy. not
Time Magazine has an opinion piece saying that TLC should cancel the Duggars show.
http://time.com/3894417/josh-duggar-19-kids-and-counting-molestation/
A few excerpts:
"And TLC? It hasn’t announced any decision on the show’s future. (As I write, it’s replaced a daytime rerun of the show with The Little Couple.) Josh may be paying some price. But TLC also needs to stop collecting a price from a lucrative franchise that has turned out to be a sanctimonious sham."
"Maybe TLC couldn’t help that the Duggars’ hypocrisy got on the air. But it can make sure that it doesn’t go on making money from it."
I'm glad to see more articles not only pointing out the Duggar's hypocrisy, but also bringing TLC to task.
Kate Is A Twit (#26), thanks for that link to the Ken Tucker article.
What an excellent, intelligent piece. Remember when Gladys lit
into him after he put TFW down, and he retweeted it to make
fun of her? Poor dear -- she's always forgetting her "be mature"
motto.
Virgina Pen Mom (#3), I believe Gladys would absolutely
throw H under the bus in defense of TFW. If Jon was to
get custody, I could see the tweet now:
"H will regret, this decision I bet! Hope she doesn't mind sleeping
on deadbeat dad's floor:(#Only1ToComplain#Ingrate#K+7StillMakes8"
http://defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269
Good article at Gawker/Defamer on timeline. Mentions the "Alice" posts as well.
LOL at Amanda, Iowa! That side hugs comment was gold!
New Story on TMZ:
http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/22/tlc-pulls-19-kids-and-counting-josh-duggar-molestation-scandal/
"TLC has just pulled all airings of "19 Kids and Counting" from its lineup ... TMZ has learned.
Sources familiar with the situation tell TMZ, the fate of the show is uncertain, but there's now so much heat in the wake of Josh Duggar's molestation confession ... the network had to make the decision.
We're told they absolutely have not made a long-term decision, but it's clearly a bad sign for the show.
And there's this ... a rep for General Mills tells TMZ, they have already blacklisted the show and removed it from their company's current advertising schedule.
So at least one major sponsor is jumping ship. I'm guessing that several others will follow in their footsteps. Maybe it will also get the sponsors to start questioning other TLC programming.
TLC stinks said... 144
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/05/22/does-discoverytlc-have-child-molester-problem/
Discovery Communications did not respond to FOX411’s inquiries regarding the vetting process their reality stars go through. The network has also stayed mum on whether or not "19 Kids and Counting" will see any repercussions. A scheduled marathon of "19 Kids and Counting" aired Thursday night.
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Has TLC ever confirmed that the film crews, producers and editors who work with and view the minor "talent" are vetted?
Saw on MSNBC news that TLC has pulled the Duggar show from the line up for now, but no talk about canceling the show. Their poll showed 81% of the people feel it should be canceled.
Wonder if Kim Kardashian is sulking? Looks like young Josh may have broke the Internet
If the show is pulled permanently, I'm sure the Duggars will say that they prayed about it, and if God's will led TLC to cancelling the show, then they understand why TLC did what it had to do.
Layla said... 195
Just imagine the chaos at TLC and Discovery HQ right now. The Duggars, their biggest draw, have been harboring a pedophile in their midst. This is a big story, and TLC isn't going to be able to hush it up. It's out there. There is no way TLC didn't know, and they chose to look the other way--for money.
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Admittedly, I am enjoying thinking about this, at the beginning of a long holiday weekend ;-)
I don't think anyone at the TLC big wig table is going to be bbq'ing and sipping cold brewskis this weekend.
(grins)
Daycare teacher accused of choking children, beating them with spoons. 10
The difference between the daycare teacher and Katie is that the teacher is not the parent of the children she hit. I wonder how much difference that makes.
Their poll showed 81% of the people feel it should be canceled.
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Only 81%? That's disappointing. 19% are okay with rewarding a pedophile. Ugh.
Next month is the Gosselin child custody hearing. Even if Jon doesn't get custody, there will be information that comes out. Hannah is going to be interviewed, the other kids are going to be interviewed, and there are secrets that will be reported
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I *assume* that this will trigger an investigation by child services. I can't see any way around this.
Each child needs to be evaluated in a safe, neutral environment.
TLC Stinks said "TLC cannot weather this out. Duggars are toast. Hopefully Katie Krieder is next. People need to speak out. It's time. "
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I'd have to agree.
The Duggashians are another family that are 'inauthentic'.
Maybe Josh's behavior will shine a brighter light on families 'just living their lives in front of a camera'.
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Daycare teacher accused of choking children, beating them with spoons. 10
The difference between the daycare teacher and Katie is that the teacher is not the parent of the children she hit. I wonder how much difference that makes.
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Yes, I noticed that right away as a big difference. It does matter. You can hurt your own kids, but you can't hurt someone else's. Not that I'm saying I agree with that, but the law is the law. Under the law children are treated like property to do, within reason (sort of) what you see fit. But you can't do whatever you want to someone ELSE's property.
Also, I suspect the choking thing was the real issue for authorities. You could easily kill a child by choking them. Kate never did that.
If the only thing she had done was hit them with spoons, she might have gotten off with just a warning and being fired.
Kate's probably giddy with excitement that if the block party goes forward she might be the new show piece.
Star magazine:
“They were originally seated in the front of the restaurant, but then they requested something more intimate, so they were moved toward the back,” an insider revealed to Star.
Kate, 40, finally went public with the new man in her life whose pocketbook is loaded. When we say loaded, he’s a millionaire who just purchased a New York City apartment for just the two of them to secretly sneak away to whenever they want.
many online news sites have picked up the story about the duggar show being off the air. Celeb news sites and newspaper sites and hard news magazines like time. Some TLC executives are probably sending out for migraine medicine.
Quick! Pull out some shows from the vault! Put on Shark Week shows from discovery channel! Sharks don't have police reports! Safe!
TMZ is reporting former Arkansas Governor (presently seeking the Republican nomination for President) Mike Huckabee is standing by Josh Duggar. He says the 2006 investigation should never have been made public. I doubt that will get him any votes, other than the Duggar family that is.
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Although what Josh Duggar was was horrible, why did TLC not take Kate's abuse as documented on her own journal more seriously? Her show and the filming of new ones, are destroying their already crumbled reputation.And what about the children in all these sordid cases? TLC owes them more than ignoring what what done to them by a parent..
Alberta Girl said... 40
http://defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269
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So, the politician felt that the only explanation for his loss was that there was a sinner amongst his flock of sheep? Never mind his poor daughter. No, we need to smoke out the sinner.
These people are certifiable
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 48
Kate's probably giddy with excitement that if the block party goes forward she might be the new show piece.
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I don't think Kate has the balls to go to this party if the Duggars aren't there as human shields. Not only will she be facing people who are angry at TLC, there will be plenty of others who know that she is having to confront Jon over custody because one (or more) of those kids do not want to be filming. I suspect her bodyguard (ahem) will be advising that he's not able to adequately protect her body under these circumstances.
I would not be at all surprised if TLC cancels this event altogether.
Mike Huckabee is standing by Josh Duggar. He says the 2006 investigation should never have been made public.
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It seems to me the more people want things to be kept private and hush hush the more that sends a message to the victims there is something wrong or shameful about the victims or that it should be kept quiet out of respect for the PERP. My hope is that none of this makes them feel like Josh is deserving of privacy or protection on this or that they, the victims, did something wrong.
http://7online.com/entertainment/report-19-kids-and-counting-pulled-from-schedule-following-molestation-scandal/735602/
Now if they'd just pull Kate's show.
In any case, I agree that with that many kids, there is no way the parents were monitoring anything. I also have to wonder if Josh himself was abused when he was younger? I know that correlation does not imply causation necessarily, but I also was under the impression that sexual abuse is often times cyclical
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The thought crossed my mind, too.
In these totalitarian, patriarchal family structures, abuse can seem normal and never even questions and victims never feel able to tell their story unless they break free of the festering family, and that doesn't happen a lot.
If you don't even know you have rights, how would you know to fight for them?
I don't think Kate has the balls to go to this party if the Duggars aren't there as human shields.
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Well that would be a real shame. I'd hate to see Schmoopy miss out on a free salad and maybe some cheesy fries.
Speaking of patriarchal structures:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/05/22/josh_duggar_is_the_latest_in_a_string_of_sex_abuse_scandals_rocking_the.html
Paula said... 7
You don't think TLC is trying to determine if they can weather this or not, do you? It is everywhere on every news site.
May 22, 2015 at 9:15 AM
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You bet TLC is imagining every spin and angle they can use.
It's being discussed on CNN now.
They're actually saying that Josh molested "girls".
CNN is directly talking about TLC's responsibility. About time.
No one know IF TLC knew, but we do know that the family knew, so the blame falls on the family.
They're bringing up all the political photos with Josh. Mike Huckaby is actually defending Josh.
What a pig. I didn't NOT like him, but now I can't stand him.
Huckaby is defiending Josh's "mistake" and pointing fingers at the "blood thirsty" media!!
CNN is saying there are unconfirmed reports that TLC is yanking the show for now. Again not confirmed, but evidently, the word is getting around.
That was it. The hosts did a good job of actually talking about the offense, the victims and what Josh should and can do to help other victims of abuse.
Angie said
Maybe Josh's behavior will shine a brighter light on families 'just living their lives in front of a camera'.
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We could hope. I'm not a fan of "the little couple" either....how is that healthy for those innocent kids ?
Someone on CNN is reporting they yanked the show but won't confirm it
Shame on all those advertisers who buy air time on TLC! Every single one of them should blacklist the cable network.
I bet ol' Kreider is jumping for joy now that the Duggars are probably toast. All she thinks about is herself. This Duggar scandal has got to be a tipping point for TLC with all their crap shows.
what Josh Duggar was was horrible, why did TLC not take Kate's abuse as documented on her own journal more seriously? 57
I believe that TLC employees also witnessed abuse.
IMO the answer to your question is MONEY.
I apologize if someone already posted this but it's worth a highlight if so!
Gawker has compiled an incredibly thorough timeline of everything from start to finish, most or all public record or out there, and demands to know how in the world TLC could not have known.
http://defamer.gawker.com/the-web-has-known-about-josh-duggar-for-years-when-did-1706258269
Layla said... 18
And yet another episode of what was supposed to be a 19 Kids marathon replaced my The Little Couple. Looks like all of them will be replaced, at least today. TLC is in full damage control right now.
May 22, 2015 at 9:44 AM
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About time. TLC should have replaced the marathon last night!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2015/05/22/-happens--duggars-reality-show-now/27773707/
What's the likelihood of TLC keeping the show on? Not high, despite the show's popularity, says pop-culture expert Robert Thompson of Syracuse University's Center for Television and Popular Culture.
'There's this idea that it's just not worth the trouble," he says. "It would take some kind of incredible sleight of hand and hubris for TLC to think they could get out of this."
Moreover, he says, it's ironic that Mama June makes a valid point about inconsistent treatment.
"I never would have expected that it would be Mama June who has to become the conscience of TLC — the voice of reason," he said.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/22/media/josh-duggar-tlc/
Meanwhile, many observers are asking what TLC knew and when. Could the show's producers -- particularly at the production company Figure 8 Films -- have been completely unaware of the family secret?
"We consider ourselves 'caretakers' of these people's stories," the production company's web site says.
After reading some comments from Duggar defends on twitter, their FB page, and TLC's FB, you know what really bothers me?
Most of them a quoting "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" in response to those who are criticizing Josh. What about Josh casting all those stones at the LGBT community and other people who do not follow their "Christian Way". He obviously was not without sin!!
Hypocrisy at its best.
In these totalitarian, patriarchal family structures, abuse can seem normal and never even questions and victims never feel able to tell their story unless they break free of the festering family, and that doesn't happen a lot.
If you don't even know you have rights, how would you know to fight for them?
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/23/survivor-bloggers-join-forces-to-reveal-christian-fundamentalist-abuses.html
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=316371
http://nomoreliesscn.blogspot.ca/2013/03/sexual-abuse-permitted-in-scientology.html
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-molestation-allegations-fans-tlc-cancel-19-kids-and-counting/
TLC stinks said... 24
TLC definitely needs to cancel the Block Party. I'd say it would be a good opportunity for protesters to show up if they decide to go on with it.
May 22, 2015 at 9:55 AM
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It's ironic that TLC insisted on vetting everyone going to that block party, yet their talent is molesting children and protecting the molester.
I can't imagine TLC keeping the Duggars on the party roster, but I don't know if they'll go so far as to cancel the event.
Well that would be a real shame. I'd hate to see Schmoopy miss out on a free salad and maybe some cheesy fries.
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And some Philly cheesesteaks from Geno's!
Hey, Gladys -- Josh Duggar is trending! Guess that means he's
popular and super cool!
Figure 8, you got some 'splainin to do! That's right. Your crew knows plenty about the reality families.
Formerly Duped said... 57
Although what Josh Duggar was was horrible, why did TLC not take Kate's abuse as documented on her own journal more seriously?
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I wonder if anyone at TLC has suggested that the network take a close look at ALL their "stars," especially those who are currently in the news regarding possible child abuse and custody battles, in order to avoid such as situation as they're in right now.
It's ironic that TLC insisted on vetting everyone going to that block party, yet their talent is molesting children and protecting the molester.
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That is ironic.
You know what else is flipping ironic? Like I shared the other week, they vetted me and this blog a couple years ago when I was going to be in NYC and was first invited and then accepted to TLC event. I think they invited lots of bloggers without realizing this was an anti-TLC site. So, I didn't pass that vet, I was deemed unfit to be around TLC and their talent. They also filed a C&D against this blog years ago (which they soon withdrew). But the Duggars were A okay.
TLC? Whatever. Joke's on you now.
Well, someone needs to publish a timeline of Kate's lies and abuse. How could TLC and Figure 8 ignore this? It's very timely that a week ago it came out about TLC buying incriminating photos of Kate and Steve.
Drip, drip, drip.
Apology Accepted? Josh Duggar Victim Breaks Down In Tears During Police Interview — Read Their Heartbreaking Words & Horrifying Details
Posted on May 22, 2015 @ 10:17AM... http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/05/josh-duggar-sex-abuse-police-report-horrifying-interview-details-drawings-victims/
Meanwhile, many observers are asking what TLC knew and when. Could the show's producers -- particularly at the production company Figure 8 Films -- have been completely unaware of the family secret?
"We consider ourselves 'caretakers' of these people's stories," the production company's web site says.
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Was it Figure 8 Productions that had the pedophile film editor on their payroll? Can't remember.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-sex-scandal-molested-alleged-victims-church-property/
Sue_Buddy said... 81
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Was it Figure 8 Productions that had the pedophile film editor on their payroll? Can't remember.
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It was a subcontractor, they farmed the editing out. Still, though, I would think they're on the hook for that.
"We as an audience and as human beings can move beyond disgust and have pity or sympathy or feelings of forgiveness for Josh and his parents — that’s what this family’s religion would offer as an alternative to disapproval or hatred. But just as TLC’s Jon and Kate Plus 8 underwent a sea-change in the way it was viewed once the Gosselins divorced, so the likely truth is that from this point on, a big segment of the Kids and Counting audience is going to tune in for more prurient reasons: To look and gaze at those kids and wonder who has been wounded by these alleged acts."
Exactly. Every. Single. Episode. Ever. Filmed.
When we say loaded, he’s a millionaire who just purchased a New York City apartment for just the two of them to secretly sneak away to whenever they want.
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No picture of the apartment? Any deed recorded? From where are they pulling this story? What is their source? I'm not saying I don't believe it, but they got this from somewhere.
TLC should be shut down permanently they have had to many scandals.
TLC stinks said... 28
I noticed on TLC's home page the Willis family pops up now. I think the signs are written on the wall
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Michelle and Jim Boob are still prominent on the front page. You have to scroll right.
Also, I suspect the choking thing was the real issue for authorities. You could easily kill a child by choking them. Kate never did that.
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How many things do you think that she has done that we don't know about?
http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/22/tlc-pulls-19-kids-and-counting-josh-duggar-molestation-scandal/#disqus_thread
Jeff had purchase a property just to screw Kate...that sounds a little ridiculous
Also, I suspect the choking thing was the real issue for authorities. You could easily kill a child by choking them. Kate never did that.
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How many things do you think that she has done that we don't know about?
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Who knows, but we have no evidence she choked the kids.
We can't really make a strong argument she's a child abuser on information completely fabricated out of thin air. We can only compare her to other incidents based on what we do know, and the fact is what we do know she did was nothing like what that daycare provider did, that we know of.
Another thing that is ironic is just 3 weeks ago Discovery bigwig, Marjorie Kalan, was crowing about how TLC has successfully changed their "freak show" image. I guess she spoke too soon.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/05/01/tlc-boss-admits-network-has-been-freak-show/
Local radio is discussing this and the guy said, "they've got that Kate plus 8 freak, the honey boo boo freaks and now the Duggar freaks."
I was glad the Kate freak was mentioned.
Well, so far the "source" or sources regarding Kate and Jeff have been correct. She really likes NYC and Jeff Millionaire could have bought the place as an investment anyway, so why not use it to shag Kate?
From ABC news "Effective immediately, TLC has pulled all episodes of 19 Kids and Counting currently from the air," TLC officials told the Daily News Friday. "We are deeply saddened and troubled by this heartbreaking situation, and our thoughts and prayers are with the family and victims at this difficult time."
Jeff had purchase a property just to screw Kate...that sounds a little ridiculous 94
More than a little.
They pulled the show for now??? There's no way they can come back from this...its too horrific..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/05/22/why-we-cant-expect-sex-abuse-victims-to-generate-instant-forgiveness/
Often we see in communities of faith that victims are admonished to be grace-like, offering instant forgiveness to their abuser as if it could be doled out like a trinket or candy. And when someone is pressured to “be like Jesus” and forgive swiftly, often this pressure causes harm.
http://defamer.gawker.com/josh-duggar-accused-of-molesting-several-sisters-as-a-t-1706096839
2006: A source only identified as “a 61-year-old woman” emails Harpo Studios ahead of the family’s scheduled appearance on the Oprah Winfrey Show and “warns” producers about Josh’s alleged sexual misconduct. From inTouch:
Harpo Studios faxed the letter to the Department of Human Services hotline. The report was then opened for investigation, leading to the investigation by Springdale police.
When police asked Jim Bob to bring Josh in for an interview in 2006, he attempted to hire a lawyer and refused to produce his son for questioning. At least two lawyers refused to take his case. “Det. Hignite received a voice mail from Mr. Duggar stating that [redacted] had hired an attorney and would not be coming in for an interview.”
The Duggars cancelled their Oprah appearance. Josh was able to avoid any potential prosecution because of the statute of limitations had expired.
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We're expected to believe Harpo Productions did not contact TLC?
From USA Today….(this is priceless):
What's the likelihood of TLC keeping the show on? Not high, despite the show's top ratings, says pop-culture expert Robert Thompson of Syracuse University's Center for Television and Popular Culture. (The show's season finale last week averaged more than 2 million same-day viewers, according to rating data.)
"There's this idea that it's just not worth the trouble," Thompson says. "It would take some kind of incredible sleight of hand and hubris for TLC to think they could get out of this."
Moreover, he says, it's ironic that Mama June makes a valid point about inconsistent treatment.
"I never would have expected that it would be Mama June who has to become the conscience of TLC — the voice of reason," he said.
Layla said... 34
I am convinced that TLC know all about Josh's past, and simply didn't care as long as the show got high ratings. TLC does not care about the victimization of children. Case in point: TLC signed Kate up for more episodes after her journals were published and after the twins' appearance on the Today show. TLC knew full well that Kate was abusing and manipulating those kids, and they rewarded her for it
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TLC has spent countless money and hours giving Kate media training, including and especially when it comes to the PR disasters that seem to orbit around her.
I think TLC goes to extraordinary lengths to protect the public image of their talent.
http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2015/05/21/3661984/9-times-josh-duggar-lectured-people-family-values-admitted-child-molester/
I can't imagine TLC keeping the Duggars on the party roster, but I don't know if they'll go so far as to cancel the event.
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If they have pulled all episodes off the air, what are the chances that they will allow them to show up at the block party? Moreover, would the Duggars even want to show their faces now? I mean, God works in mysterious ways, but I don't think that there's any mystery that they will not attend the party. TLC will decide that for the privacy of the family and in light of recent events, that it's best for the Duggars not to be included in this event.
It seems that people are pretty ticked off at TLC right now, so it wouldn't surprise me if the whole thing is called off.
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