"Effective immediately, TLC has pulled all episodes of 19 Kids and Counting currently from the air. We are deeply saddened and troubled by this heartbreaking situation, and our thoughts and prayers are with the family and victims at this difficult time."Meanwhile, Gawker has compiled a comprehensive timeline of events, the best we've seen so far.
1351 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 1351 Newer› Newest»TFW's tweet last night about her dating life was just a sad little
grab for a moment in the spotlight. That Jeff Millionaire NYC
love nest story got buried in the Duggar avalanche, so she had
to speak up and make sure everyone knew about it. Schmoops
lurves herself some attention. When she said, "I BREATHE for
my kids," I think she meant for the attention they bring her.
I'm still not convinced the TLC block party is going to happen.
Who knows what might go down between now and next
weekend. It's hilarious that the Roloffs were called off the
bench. Put us in coach, we're ready to play!
Maybe the kids should have been trained to yell "Nike!" if they saw Josh coming...
Seems to be that their biggest threat isn't random women tempting their oh so pure men into sinful thoughts. Their biggest threat is their slime ball brother and parents.
jbranck1980 said... 195
branck1980 said... 169
Any thoughts on this article's viewpoint?
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-duggars-arent-hypocrites-progressives-are/
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Any article that refers to what Josh did as "mistakes", just shows me right away where the author's mindset is and immediately discounts for me any opinion the author may have.
Pretty sure that person wouldn't be welcome back into the home.
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Well they shunned a cousin and wrote her out of the show and their lives for being an unwed mother. The midwife daughter was forbidden to see her.
Someone said Jana was not a victim, As she is two years' younger than Josh, wouldn't she fall into the 5-12 yr old category? And why do they keep saying the girls were 'asleep' during the attacks? I sure would wake up if that happened to me as a child! I guess the Duggar girls just were taught not to question any males.
I think when I was young, maybe 5 yrs old, a male doctor did something inappropriate to me .My sister said the same, but we did not tell our mother. Doctors then were held up as a model of authority and knowledge and had full access to touch one's body. To this day I still don't know if what he did was inappropriate but I think it was....I bet many women have similar tales in their past, not quite sure, but inhibited to ask at the time.
Residential therapy, yes. And when he comes back he must be in the same room as a parent at all times.
Oh wait. That's assuming the parent is out to protect the other kids. Which apparently they're not.
Maybe they should hire a minder for him. Male, of course.
If the confession to the congregation, prayers & forgiveness from the victims was enough, then why did God allow this to hit the news? IMO God didn't think the Duggar parents handled this correctly & decided to teach them a lesson.
Yes, being snarky but I find it ridiculous when people make up their own religious rules to explain away bad behavior & then pronounce themselves approved by God.
Vanessa said... 191
I agree completely that his parents did the wrong thing by allowing him back into the home. Just curious Admin, where? would you send your 14 yr old son you've just found out has been molesting his sisters? Really, what do you do?
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There are therapeutic alternative boarding schools. Real ones,not like that cult construction company.
I think when I was young, maybe 5 yrs old, a male doctor did something inappropriate to me .My sister said the same, but we did not tell our mother. Doctors then were held up as a model of authority and knowledge and had full access to touch one's body. To this day I still don't know if what he did was inappropriate but I think it was....I bet many women have similar tales in their past, not quite sure, but inhibited to ask at the time.
May 23, 2015 at 7:07 AM
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For my first professional job, at a hospital, I was told I needed to get my work physical, so they sent me to see this male doctor to get the paperwork filled out.
So, he takes me through some basic stuff like spinal range of motion, flexibility, general strength and reflexes.
Then he tells me to lie down on the table for the....breast exam!
I said, uh...no, and left right away.
I knew that wasn't kosher, but really regret not marching into an administrators office and revealing what he wanted to do to me.
I was in my early twenties and can look back and wish I had more guts and control, so I can't imagine how helpless an actual child feels.
Another thing that I think is absolutely shameful - and I've posted this several times the last few days - is that the Duggar parents knowingly put their children in the position of being publicly humiliated. They failed their daughters the first time around & the girls get to be victimized for a second time now that the media is reporting that their brother molested them.
Formerly Duped said... 5
To this day I still don't know if what he did was inappropriate but I think it was....
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If YOU think it was inappropriate, then it was. Even as a child, we can have that 'gut feeling' when something isn't quite right.
TLC stinks said... 200
If Kate is tagged as the "face" of TLC, the bigwigs at Discovery better be prepared for another scandal. The time is ripe, my friends.
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Wouldn't she just love that? She'd bask, or in her case, wallow in the glory. Her kids are her currency. If she has to swap them out one at time to keep her mug on tv, she'll do it. She is just that selfish. She'd better remember though that the captain has to go down with the ship.
Blech. TLC = The Learning Cesspool.
Maybe they should hire a minder for him. Male, of course.
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Steve? He has experience in handling thoroughly unpleasant people.
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/05/police-destroy-josh-duggar-molestation-records/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Holy corruption! This judge was supposedly appointed by Mike Huckabee! No offense, but the South or at least AR seems like a completely different country!!!!
On another note, aren't Kate's 'traditional' flags her 4th of July tradition?
Barb reminded her of this, but Kate declared this National Sleep All Day or some such holiday. Why is this woman permanently exhausted?
I think you're right, Rainbirdie, and Tucker, you were smart to get away from that perv. There are a number in the medical field who take advantage of their position- having people's bodies in their trust. When I was a RN, there was a dr who molested the pediatric cancer patients- how sad.
If the confession to the congregation, prayers & forgiveness from the victims was enough, then why did God allow this to hit the news?
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if it was enough why did God allow it to continue for a year?
This isn't a 'teenage mistake', it's a major character flaw.
I thought I followed the timeline well enough until 2006, where it appeared to stop. What happened to cause this to become public now? What changed?
angie said... 192
But it's all about $$$$. General Mills has pulled the plug on their advertising dollars, hopefully more will follow suit.
This is when the public has a voice. Everyone needs to email, call, write all remaining advertisers. The only thing corporations understand is $$$$.
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Does anyone have a list of the advertisers on TLC?
Well, the state may have destroyed the evidence of Josh's crimes but those documents are all over the media and many people have copies. Lots of them. There are some things that just can't be covered up.
What do you all think the reaction would have been if the Duggar would have been up front about it years ago instead of hiding it? I almost wonder if the public would have been more forgiving. Now, not only are people reacting with disgust at the crime (and rightfully so) they are also outraged at the misleading/lying of the family.
Thanks for the info on where they would place him. Can you imagine though? I'm sure their son being counseled by someone other than a church elder would not fly. Most likely that was more of a concern than the actual molestation, and their daughters well being.
On another note, this is right up baby talk's alley
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/world/2015/05/23/65-year-old-mother-of-13-gives-birth-to-quadruplets.html
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Yes, being snarky but I find it ridiculous when people make up their own religious rules to explain away bad behavior & then pronounce themselves approved by God.
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Amen!
I hope TLC learns as does not have these hateful bigots on TV ever again. The smug look that Josh has is just like his dad's. And now the world knows that at least 4 of his sisters were molested and which ones. Although it is fairly easy to figure that out. I don't think this is going to cool down for a very long time. I wonder if they still think they are so perfect and holy.
Hmm, I went to 19kids page on TLC's website and looked at the TV listings. They swiffered the listing for next week(May 27, 28 & 29) but now they show listings for June 1-5.
Does this mean that they are going to wait a week, hope things die down, and then start airing repeats again. OR was someone negligent and forgot to swiffer all the listings?
NaughtyNiceRob has a post on his site that states the following:
TLC Preparing to Cleaning House – Knew About Duggar’s Scandal For YEARS! WOW
TLC just pulled the plug on its long-running “19 Kids & Counting” reality show, following the lives of the always multiplying Duggar family. Josh Duggar’s molestation charges have forced the network to act quickly, even inside its own walls.
An insider tells NAUGHTY GOSSIP exclusively, “TLC is about to clean house with upper level staff that knew about the Duggar family molestation secret. It has been a well-known fact among members of the TLC team for YEARS – and nobody did a thing until it hit the public.”
Everybody get ready! (And say bye to the Duggars for good!)
http://www.naughtygossip.com/tlc-preparing-to-cleaning-house-knew-about-duggars-scandal-for-years-wow/
Seen w guy 1st X since div 5yrs ago&now marrying?HA.NO. RT @BarbGilmer: ..heard it all now @Kateplusmy8 they r saying ur going2get married?
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Oh Barb, Barb, Barb. Get with the program. First time seen? Yep. But she's been flying under the radar for months with this guy. First guy since divorce? Nope. Steve for years. Getting married? If she can trap Jeff Millionaire, she sure as hell will marry him. And for goodness sakes, if he were to decide to marry her, get a PRENUP! And a VASECTOMY!
This morning listening to NPR, THEY had a story about the Duggars and just read a story about how many Mike Huckabee's supporters are rapidly becoming former supporters if you check his Facebook page. People are outraged by him referring to this as a youthful mistake.
Oh, yes, this story has legs. Any discussion of republican presidential candidates is going to mention this and Huckabee's dilemma. Defend a family that has supported him for years or actually address the crime?
I wonder what Huckabee would say if the Duggars were not from Arkansas, or if they were black, or Hispanic?.would the opinion be different?
Wow, this Duggar story has really picked up some major steam! Keep rolling, Reaping What You Sowl Train!
Remember when Ben and Derick came to the house and they were piddling around trying to make something with wood and hammer and nailing and I remember Josh standing there like he was the boss. That smug look on his face of superiority over his BIL and future BIL was chilling.
Standing there knowing that he molested Derick's wife and Ben's fiancé is HORRIBLE! And they didn't know, maybe. How horrible if they didn't and then they had to say, hey, I have something to tell you. I am surprised that one of them hasn't beat the hello out of him.
You are a dirt bag, Joshie!
Thanks, Kate is a Twit. This is why I cannot see TLC continuing with Kate, because Robert's book is out there (in Kate's own words no less) and with hundreds of revealing negative press articles plus the upcoming custody hearing, I just do not see TLC risking another scandal. There surely is going to be a house cleaning, and maybe even an internal investigation as to what TLC staff have been covering up for ALL their reality talent. For the cable network to continue to exist, they need to come clean and start over. Once they open the Duggar can of worms, you simply cannot keep anything under wraps any longer. One revelation leads to another and then another. TLC is up to their eyeballs in cover ups because their "talent" must be desirable for the sponsors to buy time. A child abuser like Kate or a pedophile like Josh is poison to advertisers. Tipping point for TLC? Highly likely. Circus time is over.
After assuming TLC would cancel the Duggars I find it hard to believe the network is actually considering going ahead with the show minus Josh, as TMZ is reporting. I would think sponsors would not support it knowing that at least four of the victim daughters will be featured. And what parent would want to expose their daughters like that after all that we have been reading.
bm
Oh, Joseph Duggar was allowed to go to college in Kentucky. It is not accredited. Of course. JANA wanted to go to college and the Duggar Idiots said no. It infuriates me that she could of gotten her Masters in Nursing or Education or what ever study she wanted to do.
Check this out. You have to scroll down to the bottom right and you can see Scrapbook of the Girls and Scrapbook of the Boys.
Questions answered. Josh's Future ? (?)
Jana, totally BLANK, Jill, Jessa, Joy Anna, Jinger all missions, spreading the Gospel. Johanna, WANTS TO BE A DOCTOR! Jennifer, WANTS BE A VETERNARIAN! Jordyn, WANTS TO BE AN ARTIST! Josie, WANTS TO BE A COOK!
Bless her heart, someone needs to tell her, CHEF! Let her watch the Food Network!
I can just hear the Smuggers when they heard their career dreams, say, Yeah, RIGHT! Maybe when they get to the age to get out of there, the Smuggers will be too frail and senile to stop them.
I would like to know what Grandma Duggar thinks about all this.
Formerly duped...5
If you thought it and confirmed with your sister, then it was. Our gut instinct knows.
franky
There was an alternative school for juvenile sexual offenders at the former Embreeville state hospital and despite the barbed wire some boys escaped a few times in the 90s
Anonymous said... 29
After assuming TLC would cancel the Duggars I find it hard to believe the network is actually considering going ahead with the show minus Josh, as TMZ is reporting. I would think sponsors would not support it knowing that at least four of the victim daughters will be featured. And what parent would want to expose their daughters like that after all that we have been reading.
bm
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TLC is seriously, seriously rearranging the proverbial deck chairs if they think that axing Josh is going to save the show.
tucker's mom..9
I hear you. In CEGEP I needed to see the doctor, but girls in my residence said he was creepy, so I brought a male friend with me who never let me out of his sight, protector. The doctor had a weird look on his face when I insisted my 'boyfriend' come with us into the examination room. He was very professional after that, lol.
franky
rainbirdie..11
great minds think alike, was commenting after posts, just saw yours, you rock!
franky
I took these from the Gawker timeline. They are from Alice's mb comments:
Oprah turned them over to the Arkansas State Police Child Protection Agency and the Washington County Child Protection Agency. They have been investigated to some length....In April, they were in court with their story. They have to report to Arkansas Department of Human Services every six months.
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Alice wrote this in 2007 or 2008. According to this it sounds like CPA was involved to some degree. Obviously that doesn't necessarily mean much but if true it at least means some non-cult outside agency was keeping tabs for whatever it's worth. Just thought it was an interesting factoid.
I am proud to say that I've never seen the Dugger show.
Apparently the kids do manage to divulge to Jon what goes on; that's why she consistently denies Jon's right of first refusal or does not allow some of the children to visit him. But Jon has not only wised up but has probably been building evidence for months.
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Jon has said many times he doesn't care about Kate's romantic relationship with anyone, and certainly not Steve. I seriously doubt that he would waste his time building evidence. He's moved on from that, and Steve isn't even on his radar.
"A little shack-up trip with Jeffieboy, to the NYC secret love nest apartment?"
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From where has this story come...that he purchased a love-nest apartment? Is there proof, or just a rumor flying around?
"I don't buy the BS of her going home at 1:40 am, Jeffie was getting frisky with her in those pics, I doubt Kate went home, more likely a Hotel."
He had his arm around her. I didn't see anything frisky going on. Did Kate say she went home after the date? I think I'm missing some things here. Not defending her, but even if she did stay over night at a hotel, that's her business. She's an adult, with a date, and what she does (or doesn't do) in private shouldn't be our concern. Now if she leaves for days without telling anyone where she is, or giving a contact number to those caring for her children, then that calls her parenting into question. Not giving Jon First Right of Refusal likewise has to do with custodial matters, and of course Jon should consider that a violation of custody orders.
Yes, TLC, this is what happens when your TV lineup includes “My Big Fat Fabulous Life,” “The Little Couple,” “Sister Wives,” “My 600-Lb. Life,” “My Strange Addiction,” “Sex Sent Me to the ER,” “Abby & Brittany” (conjoined-at-the-head twins) and “My Five Wives.”
You even revived Kate Gosselin from “Jon & Kate Plus Eight” infamy for a “return” special.
You can repeat all you want, TLC, about how these shows are “empowering” and spotlight people who otherwise would fly below society’s radar. No one believes that. You exploited them.
Do me a favor, TLC. Please don’t say you never saw this coming.
You play with fire, you’re gonna get burned.
Badly.
http://nypost.com/2015/05/23/toddlers-and-trash-tlcs-freak-shows-were-bound-to-explode/
http://www.inquisitr.com/2113702/why-tlc-cant-pull-the-plug-on-their-beloved-duggar-family/
It sounds like TLC doesn’t care about the child molestation case. They only care about their devout evangelical fan base and their sponsors. In October of 2014, TLC made the quick decision to cancel Here Comes Honey Boo Boo after reports circulated that Mama June was dating a convicted child molester, even though he never made an appearance on the show.
BM (#29), you asked what parent would want to expose their
daughters like that after all that we have been reading. I'd
have to say these parents would. After all, they sent their
son to build a few shelves and considered him "cured" of
whatever impulse was making him repeatedly molest his
sisters...THEIR daughters. If those girls' best interests
were on anyone's mind, there never would have been a
TV show.
TLC canceled Here Comes Honey Boo Boo when it was reported that Mama June was dating the child molester of her daughter. I’m surprised that TLC is waffling on this one. Perhaps because there were no charges filed against Josh Duggar – stemming from the fact that the family didn’t report it to police and when the police found out the statute of limitations had already run out – or because maybe TLC is run by a bunch of hypocrites?
https://www.rickey.org/tlc-may-not-cancel-19-kids-and-counting-and-just-fire-josh-duggar-for-molesting-his-sisters/281401/
It is going to be very interesting to find out the "source" that re-opened this rumor about Josh and with all the proof needed. You can only preach about hate and accuse different groups of people being child molesters and sinners for a short period of time and then BAM! the Karma train hits you in the arse. Now this is reality. It will be interesting to see how much and how long they have to pray about this for God to make things disappear.
I wonder if the reason TLC hasn't outright canceled 19 kids is because they are trying to get the victims to do an interview saying they forgive Josh, everyone knew etc. I wonder if TLC thinks that will help so will wait before giving the show the ax.
First, it seems abundantly clear at this point the Duggar family engaged in a (successful) effort to keep this scandal under wraps as their reality fame grew. Second, it seems highly unlikely the Discovery family of networks didn’t know about the scandal. Third, we’re shocked the scandal took this long to break seeing how many people apparently knew about it.
Most importantly, the scandal is already being used to further divide our increasingly polarized culture. Christians, large families and homeschoolers will be vilified (and viewed with renewed suspicion) through no fault of their own, while members of the media will be attacked for simply doing their jobs.
Both rushes to judgment are wrong …
No one should rejoice in the Duggars misfortune. Nor should anyone fall for the ridiculous “blame the media” spin put forth by Huckabee.
As for us? We were initially inclined to feel sympathy for the Duggers, viewing the scandal as a private family problem which they addressed internally – including notifying the appropriate law enforcement authorities. However as we delved into the details of the case, it became clear to us they were less than forthright about what happened – and less than forthcoming with the appropriate law enforcement agencies.
Having tasted reality stardom – which was subsidizing their new home and new life – it seems as though they rolled the dice in the hopes the truth would never see the light of day. The only question is whether the network went along for the ride …
Read more at http://www.fitsnews.com/2015/05/23/duggar-drama-rocks-america/#FJMDyAoujLIAaoI9.99
This is why I cannot see TLC continuing with Kate, because Robert's book is out there (in Kate's own words no less) and with hundreds of revealing negative press articles plus the upcoming custody hearing, I just do not see TLC risking another scandal.
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There is a difference, though. Josh admitted all of this. Kate hasn't said beans about it, and it's all speculation written in a book that was pulled the first time and subsequently released without the docs. I seriously doubt that they are going to cut her entirety loose because of this. Negative press is better than no press, it's the villain you love to hate, and TLC knows this. She still has enough ratings to sustain the show.
However, depending on what goes down in this custody case and what is revealed regarding her treatment of the children, Hannah in particular, it may be that TLC would get some red flag about this. I don't see it happening, though. It's all about the money for them, and even though this Duggar scandal has been a major thorn in their side right now, I'm not sure that the skeletons in Kate's closets would be serious enough to ax her for good. She's a phoenix, remember?
Not only would the larger audience be furious with Josh, Michelle and Jim Bob AND be looking very carefully at the victims to get an idea of how they are doing, they might also be wondering if they can detect any sign that younger siblings might be victims as well. Yeah, the whole show needs to go. It has lost its sweet story theme and has become an examination of body language and discussions of child abuse. Is that what TLC really wants? Probably, as long as it brings in the target audience. To keep TLC from sabatoging its own future, they need to cut ties with the Duggers. To keep the victims out of the limelight, the same solution is recommended.
Good article, TLC Stinks (46). It says so much in just a few words.
Didn't someone find a letter in a book about Josh molesting 5 girls?
BM (#29), you asked what parent would want to expose their
daughters like that after all that we have been reading. I'd
have to say these parents would. After all, they sent their
son to build a few shelves and considered him "cured" of
whatever impulse was making him repeatedly molest his
sisters...THEIR daughters. If those girls' best interests
were on anyone's mind, there never would have been a
TV show.
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Was he sent to do the remodeling therapy after the first offense, or when it was discovered he had repeated his action with the youngest child?
jbranck1980 said... 45
I wonder if the reason TLC hasn't outright canceled 19 kids is because they are trying to get the victims to do an interview saying they forgive Josh, everyone knew etc. I wonder if TLC thinks that will help so will wait before giving the show the ax.
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Interesting theory. I've no doubt TLC and the Duggars are trying to figure out any way possible to keep the gravy train on the tracks.
I also thought I'd never say this, but Mama June has a very good point. Why cancel HBB and not the Duggars?
It might not even come down to TLC wanting to keep the Duggars. Sponsors might flake, even if their staunch, unyielding evangelical base won't.
And because this involves sexual crimes committed against multiple minor girls, I believe TLC will have to wait and see what legal fallout is coming their way.
I have to believe that authorities are going to demand an investigation as to who knew what, and when, when it comes to friends, family, church elders, police, TLC and their film crews who were with the Duggars day in and day out for years.
Crimes have to covered up and I think people will have to answer to authorities before the show or shows can even be considered for continuation.
"No one should rejoice in the Duggars misfortune. Nor should anyone fall for the ridiculous “blame the media” spin put forth by Huckabee."
Huckabee must really not want to take a stab at running for President in 2016, because he just tacitly portrayed an abuser as a victim.
That one is going to get a lot of play by his political enemies.
fidosmommy said... 48
Not only would the larger audience be furious with Josh, Michelle and Jim Bob AND be looking very carefully at the victims to get an idea of how they are doing, they might also be wondering if they can detect any sign that younger siblings might be victims as well.
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I had that exact thought when I looked at a recent photo of the whole family, looked at the little girls, and wondered which one was the same age as little 4-year old "J" when her older brother violated her.
The little Duggar girls look so sweet, and that youngest one so frail!
It broke my heart.
TLC stinks said... 41
http://www.inquisitr.com/2113702/why-tlc-cant-pull-the-plug-on-their-beloved-duggar-family/
It sounds like TLC doesn’t care about the child molestation case. They only care about their devout evangelical fan base and their sponsors.
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It's stated in that article that General Mills pulled their advertising AFTER TLC removed Duggars from their lineup as if they were protesting taking the Duggars off. I thought GM pulled their advertising because they didn't want to sponsor the show if it continued.
I will be so disgusted if TLC keeps that show on the air. Strange times we live in if a brother can molest his younger sisters and all is forgiven as a childish mistake (at the age of 14).
redbird said... 27
Wow, this Duggar story has really picked up some major steam! Keep rolling, Reaping What You Sowl Train!
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Epic! I am glad to have a seat on that train!!
franky
Redbird-
Joseph is NOT in Kentucky. He is in Tennessee. If you aren't sure don't post as fact.
Aunt is a CASA worker in Northwest Arkansas. He thought is state will have to open up new investigation because Joy, a minor, and victim is still in the home.
There is a good chance the younger kids will all be interviewed by the state now as well as Josh's kids.
I agree that Jim Bob and Michelle woefully let Josh down. I am of course not excusing his actions. Interesting, there is a very good facility about 5 minutes from their home that is a residential/lock down for children who commit serious sexual crimes.
Would I have turned my kid over to the authorities for groping one sibling....maybe not. But 4, most definitely. He would never have been afforded the opportunity to do that again.
Perhaps if his parent's would have handled this appropriately, this would not have ever come up again. This will follow Josh and his sister's for the rest of their lives.
I am sad for the girls, having to relieve this, but not that they are older, they will find a voice.
Chancee
Huckabee must really not want to take a stab at running for President in 2016, because he just tacitly portrayed an abuser as a victim.
That one is going to get a lot of play by his political enemies.
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Huckabee is getting lambasted on his FB page from people who previously supported him. I've read some of those comments and they really gave it to him. Here's an article about it:
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/mike-huckabees-facebook-fans-tear-him-to-shreds-for-defending-josh-duggar/
The Daily Mail has an extensive article and timeline about how the Duggars were discovered and series of events in their lives from 2002. Did you know that all the kids dressed alike? They looked like a Stepford family.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093136/How-squeaky-clean-photo-launched-Duggars-fame-2002-belied-sordid-molestation-secret-home.html
BTW, I wonder how Eileen O'Neil feels now? Didn't she retire from Discovery a month or so ago? Things that make you go hmmm.
Brownie, the Stale Cereal Lady who was up Kate's rear end some time ago and was the Milo-in-Training, has surfaced again. She recently retweeted this...
Author MKBrownlow retweeted
UberFacts @UberFacts · May 15
Kids who get spanked are more likely to solve their conflicts with others by hitting them.
I wonder if she knows that Kate spanks her kids!
redbird said... 31
I would like to know what Grandma Duggar thinks about all this.
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I remember reading just yesterday (but don't remember if it was on that site where "Alice" posted or some other site) that JimBoob's mother was apparently a driving force alongside her son to get the show going--that she was very money hungry. So, I expect she's also quite worried right now that the gravy train rug may be pulled out from under them.
And because this involves sexual crimes committed against multiple minor girls, I believe TLC will have to wait and see what legal fallout is coming their way.
I have to believe that authorities are going to demand an investigation as to who knew what, and when, when it comes to friends, family, church elders, police, TLC and their film crews who were with the Duggars day in and day out for years.
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But if the SOL has run out, and even if TLC did know and kept filming, how would they be under the gun in an investigation? Legally, what would their responsibility be? Even if they were mandated reporters by reason of the fact that the crew worked with kids, if they didn't witness it, I don't see how any legal action could be brought against them. Morally and ethically, if they did know and covered it up, it's unconscionable, but legally...I don't know.
It's the same situation with the crew allegedly knowing about Kate and her treatment of the children. It was rumored that the crew heard her using extreme punishment on the kids, but was it their responsibility to report it to child services? They filmed, they did their "job," Kate was under contract as were the Duggars, so wouldn't TLC take the position that hey, we knew about it but it wasn't our business what went on behind closed doors. We didn't see any of it happening and were't responsible for what may have occurred in the past?
I just had a thought about this new girl who is engaged to Josiah Duggar...will she now be re-thinking things if the show money is no longer there?
Me too, franky! Scoot over! haha
What to do with Josh after home improvement camp? Besides the obvious intensive therapy, how about send him off to live with Jim Bob's mom and dad. They were alive and we'll and living in the 2 bedroom home that Josh & Anna and now Ben & Jessa eventually called home. Michelle could go over regularly to make sure he kept up on school work. Jim Bob and grandpa could do manly log splitting. Friends and neighbors could be told he's their to help grandparents out. Girls could sleep soundly at night knowing their room is a safe place. And did I mention massive regular therapy.
-- gckk
Trisha Davison @tad621 4m4 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 do u measure the distance between the flags they look so beautifully spaced!! #ocdproblems lol.
Now the silly sheep will want to know how much space Kate puts between the flags because they want their driveway to look just like hers! Here we go with the praises and amazement at her gorgeous Memorial Day patriotic display. I can hear them singing in unison, "You're a grand old flag, you're a high flying flag, and forever in peace may you wave, Kate..."
Interesting article on firing of a crew member on the set of the Duggars filming.
http://defamer.gawker.com/tell-your-duggar-tales-did-michelle-duggar-get-a-gay-c-1706502185
Sorry if already posted. Just trying to catch up on all the news.
I liked the comment on this article from BananaCakesAllie Jones
5/23/15 1:09pm: "Occasionally, Discovery brings in ‘talent’ to the first floor conference room at HQ for Q&A sessions, panel discussions and in general to let staff crawl out of their cubes for a few minutes to experience the exhilaration of being in the presence of a basic cable celebrity. (Sometimes, these are fun - Oprah, the Discovery cycling team before we started hating Lance, but mostly the events are just annoying...e.g. Jon&Kate/Honeybooboo"
It sounds like the gates will start opening with reports from the crews and past employees of TLC/Discovery and what the culture was really like, how much everyone knew about cover-ups, abuse, etc.. I also think Kate should be worried. She is on the list too when the truth starts to come out no matter what CDAs were signed.
Chancee said... 57
Aunt is a CASA worker in Northwest Arkansas. He thought is state will have to open up new investigation because Joy, a minor, and victim is still in the home.
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Could you be a bit more specific, please. Who's thought is it...your aunt's, the agency's. Are the Duggars in Northwest Arkansas? Thanks.
BTW, I wonder how Eileen O'Neil feels now? Didn't she retire from Discovery a month or so ago? Things that make you go hmmm.
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When did TLC find out that this whole thing was about to blow over the Memorial Day holiday? Have they known for months to expect this, or did this just come out of the blue when they least expected it?
Huckabee must really not want to take a stab at running for President in 2016, because he just tacitly portrayed an abuser as a victim.
That one is going to get a lot of play by his political enemies.
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I've always kind of liked him (just "kind of"), but now I see that he's a total idiot and I'd never vote for him for any office.
Yesterday I said something like, this Duggar thing is different from
TFW beating her kids because there doesn't seem to be 2 sides
to sexually molesting a sibling. It is universally reviled. But I'm
finding out I was wrong. This outpouring of support has my head
spinning. I'm not saying Josh should be tarred and feathered.
But I cannot comprehend these calm, reasoned responses
people are having to something so incredibly dark and painful.
It wasn't a one-time thing. It wasn't a one-person thing. And,
most horrifying of all, it wasn't with a stranger. I just don't get
where all this compassion for him is coming from. Unless
the skeletons are so tightly packed into their own closets that
they're afraid to be seen as judgmental.
Insightful article that includes statements by two people who were abused when they were children. One by his half-brother.
http://mashable.com/2015/05/23/josh-duggar-child-sex-abuse/
Doesn't seem like the press is taking a holiday this weekend from reporting and giving opinions on the Duggar situation.
BTW, last night all of my local news outlets, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN and my local paper had segments on this. This isn't something that TLC can quash--it gone viral and I don't think it's going away anytime soon.
It's also good to see that many are questioning TLC's involvement in this cover-up.
I would really like to see Oprah make a statement--but I guess that won't be happening, since OWN is jointly owned by Harpo Productions AND Discovery Communications.
NJGal51 said... 38
I am proud to say that I've never seen the Dugger show.
May 23, 2015 at 10:39 AM
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I feel blessed never to have watched an episode either, not one. God loves me. He really loves me. lol.
Its nice to see on what we have all thought for years, coming to fruition!
If this doesn't go through-its Kia ora
Wouldn't it be an interesting twist if getting this horrible Duggar issue was the business deal that TFW had with Shaddy Jeff? ? One only needs to follow the money. (Not accusing, only speculating).
I feel blessed never to have watched an episode either, not one. God loves me. He really loves me. lol.
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Ditto! I'll join the "never watched" team. I've heard them, however, doing various television interviews, and Michelle and that sickening sweet babytalk and Jim Bob's odd demeanor just gave me the creeps. I could tell that something just wasn't right there.
I hope now that when I check Yahoo's news page that every day we won't see a picture of one of the newlywed's baby bumps.
I agree that Jim Bob and Michelle woefully let Josh down. I am of course not excusing his actions.
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Thanks for posting this.
I also feel that the onus for this situation as it has unfolded today, rests upon Jim Bob's and then Michelle's shoulders.
I place Jim Bob first and foremost because of the patriarchal family structure and subservience of the women folk.
But then, as a woman, I feel angry that Michelle allowed an assailant, albeit her son, back into her home where her daughters were placed in harm's way.
I do feel for Josh and his family. This must be incredible difficult on every level of his being and his life.
The history of what's happened has been botched from Josh's assaults on his own sisters, to his parents absolutely f*cking up by not going to and TRUSTING the outside world that could have helped, intervened, provided counseling and therapy and most of all, allowed Josh to grow up and live the rest of his life with the profound fear he must have been living with, keeping such a dark, dark secret.
A secret that could take down a veritable empire because it was built on sand.
Another Duggar non-watcher here. What I know I glean from the intelligent folks here and headlines while standing on line at the supermarket and, lately, news articles. I can't comprehend how Josh can be called anything other than a child molester.
LOL, TLC is showing what looks like a very dated documentary on building a cruise ship for Disney. They must have had to dust off the cobwebs from that tape from way back in the archives. Nothing to see here folks, have a dose of Mickey Mouse.
Also I'm still LOLing at Mama June being the voice of reason in all this. Not that she didn't deserve to be canned but one good turn deserves another and I bet she's thinking, "karma."
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 7m7 minutes ago
Done cleaning/prepping...now kids are back in the pool w/ all their new pool toys! #SummerIsHere #WereSoHappy 🇺🇸🌞🇺🇸
Yes, indeed! Thar she blows with THE POOL picture. That took awhile. I was waiting with bated breath for that one! Now I can relax and enjoy the weekend!
LOL, TLC is showing what looks like a very dated documentary on building a cruise ship for Disney. They must have had to dust off the cobwebs from that tape from way back in the archives. Nothing to see here folks, have a dose of Mickey Mouse.
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They're showing a 2013 Hoarding Buried Alive here. I wonder if, in two years, the home owner got out of that garbage heap.
TFW is so giddy over the Dugger fiasco that she is manic tweeting today. Look at us, we put the flags up along the driveway. Look at us, the pool is prepped and ready for the summer and my kids are in it with all their NEW pool toys. Look at us, we're the All American happy family here. Forget about custody battle rumors. LOOK AT MEEEEEEEEE! FILM MEEEEEEEEE!
When I posted the DailyMail article, I meant to include an excerpt. This is an excerpt from the book written by Jana, Jill, Jessa and Jinger, called "Growing up Duggars", which the DM posted:
'If one of us Duggars is struggling with any kind of temptation, we share it with our parents,' they write. 'Mom will wisely ask us, "Who do you think put that thought into your head?".
'We know the answer is Satan. Our parents have stressed that it's not a sin on our part if Satan randomly throws an impure thought into our heads, but it is a sin to dwell on the temptation.'
So I guess Josh could use "The Devil Made Me Do It" defense. And I wonder if that's why the girls "forgave" him. It wasn't his fault, it was all Satan's fault".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093136/How-squeaky-clean-photo-launched-Duggars-fame-2002-belied-sordid-molestation-secret-home.html#ixzz3azze8oHp
As a Christian and a Catholic, this appalls me the most. As a student in parochial school we were taught about the evils of Satan, but we were also taught that God gave us free will. We weren't told that our sin isn't a sin, because Satan tempted us. If we sinned, WE were still liable for our actions.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 13m13 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 @Pumpkinbottom3 LOL W/the goings on in ur life...you'll be saying that alot!! #WhenPigsFly. 😋
Kate tweets and three minutes later, there is Gladys! What does she do? Walk around the house with her phone glued to her hip, waiting for the Kate tweets alerts? What if she's out and about and driving? Does she pull off to the side of the road to tweet? What if she's in the middle of an...um...intimate moment? Does she roll over, saying, "You're done. Kate's online and needs me?" Good grief.
I think the Duggars used to dress alike more often than they do now. They were also plainer and more old-fashioned. I did watch the first special when they had 14 kids, but not much after that.I remember it showed them going to a thrift store looking for plain polos and jeans for the boys and long skirts for the girls. Michelle said the 'countenance' or face should be the focal part and modest dress was essential.They had a huge communal closet and seemed to mix and match clothes among the same-sized kids and handed them down to the littler ones.The girls all learned to sew and made those look-alike pinafore dresses.Once they became famous their clothes and hair became more modern.
I watched one, just one, episode of the Duggars. It was when they travelled to Scotland. The only reason I watched was because I had travelled to Scotland and was curious to see if they visited the sites I had seen. It was an hour show and after 20 minutes or so, I turned it off.
I decided I'd rather reminisce looking at my videos of my trip to Scotland.
I hope that pool has a fantastic heater, because this isn't the warmest of days here. It's about 65 degrees, with a low in the mid 40s tonight. If you stay in a heated pool, fine, but running around outside in a swim suit, brrrr....
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 34m34 minutes ago
Done cleaning/prepping...now kids are back in the pool w/ all their new pool toys! #SummerIsHere #WereSoHappy
"We're So Happy" translates into damage control for the custody hearing. "See how happy we are--no problems here--my kids love me, me, me and only me!!"
Kate is a twit said..
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Thanks for posting the Daily Mail article. Since I don't really follow the show I was able to go year by year to figure out events.it didn't say unless I missed it, that the victims were siblings of Josh but other sources apparently did reveal that.What a hypocritical book the girls 'wrote,' as well as the one by the parents no doubt.I wouldn't be surprised if other family secrets come out soon.
TLC'S CHILD MOLESTER PROBLEM
The Duggar child molestation scandal is just the latest in a long line of incidents involving inappropriate behavior by a TLC star with a minor.
-Here Comes Honey Boo Boo: The show was cancelled last year after photos emerged of star June Shannon, better known as Mama June, with her ex Mark McDaniel. McDaniel had just been released from jail at the time after serving time for molesting an 8-year-old girl. That girl was one of Shannon's daughters.
-Sons of Guns: Gunsmith and former Marine Will Hayden was charged with raping a 12-year-old girl in 2014, forcing TLC to quickly cancel the reality show. That girl was revealed to be his own daughter, and shortly after his other daughter came forward she too had been raped by Hayden when she was 12-years-old. He is currently awaiting trial.
-Cheer Perfection: Another reality the network had to cancel following a scandal, this time involving mother Andrea Clevenger who received two 10 year prison sentences when she was found guilty of having multiple sexual encounters with a boy in 2013 who was just 13.
-Cake Boss: Remigio Gonzalez, who was married to the sister of the show's title character Buddy Valastro, received nine years in prison in 2012 after he sexually assaulted a 13-year-old girl. While he did appear on that show, by the time these charges were brought against him he was no longer a character on the program.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3093136/How-squeaky-clean-photo-launched-Duggars-fame-2002-belied-sordid-molestation-secret-home.html#ixzz3b0BQYeUo
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All the talk of Josh Duggar is bringing me back to my childhood when I was molested by a teenage neighbor who also was our babysitter. Long story short I told my mother who told my father and they met with the parents. Keep in mind this was the early 1970's. Nothing was done buy they promised to keep their son away from our family. Well, I find out about 10 years ago that he did the same to my younger sister and one of her friends. He ended up preying upon other young girls in the neighborhood and made a fatal mistake in doing something with the foreign exchange student who was staying with one of his family's friends. They literally packed up in the middle of the night and moved from NJ to CA (where they originally were fun). I heard that he married a woman with two young girls from a prior marriage which sent chills down my spine. I know that he is divorced from that wife but I think the lesson here is predators (no matter what their age) do not change without intervention and help. His parents initiated contact about 10 years ago with my parents when it turned out that they were going to be in the area to visit. My mother said to them "You said you were going to do something about him. Obviously you never did."
PA Dutch Mom said...39
Agreed! Our Late Prime Minister once famously said....The State has no affair in our bedrooms. Case closed. RIP Pierre-Eliott Trudeau
franky
Yep now I'm getting dated episodes of hoarders. When all else fails you can always show those.
Candy, 89...
It sounds like they forgot about Blankinship.
NJGal51....I agree with you 100%, Kate is positively giddy seeing the Duggars being pulled by TLC. Her situation with Hannah pales by comparison. Easy-peasy, accuse Jon of influencing his daughter by putting words in her mouth, bribe Hannah and all is good again; done and done. I have a sinking feeling the custody hearing is not going to happen, especially now that Kate sees a probable opening at TLC. TFW is probably exhausted from all the negotiating she's been doing!
For reasons that will forever remain a mystery to me, Kate will continue on unscathed.
Amy Ketterer @amyketterer 3m3 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 I don't live far from you so I know the temp...! You're kids are brave😏 #brrrr
Well, Amy, those kids are getting their NoNets in the damn pool and having the hap, hap happiest Memorial Day pool weekend since, well, you know ;-)
I cannot believe Milo is comparing this incident to the way TV often tries so hard to be sexy.
That's LEGAL sex for gosh sakes. Many of us may prefer less sex on our TVs, but there's nothing criminal about a TV show with two consenting adults having sex, nor is there anything wrong with the tabloids reporting about someone's sexy getaway with their boyfriend or whatever.
This is a predator and pedophile! I just don't see how that has anything to do with the fact that there is a lot of sex in the media. In a way she is implying people are interested because people like sex, and that is just so out of line. Can't Milo just admit for ONCE people are just concerned about the victims? It is what it is, nothing more, nothing less.
TLC does have a child molester problem. It seems to me that if someone is so willing to give up their privacy, or their children's privacy, someone might also have problems with boundaries in other aspects of their lives. Kate certainly does. I see no evidence she is a child molester but she has serious boundary issues about many aspects of her children.
There aren't any statistics out there, but I wonder if people who are on reality TV or would be on reality TV if they could have higher rates of these abuse incidents. All of this lack of respect for yourself and others is exactly what reality TV is looking for, and that goes to abuse.
He continues further:
"Now that the darkest clouds have rolled in, so has the potential for a much better, more informative show. What could be more absorbing for viewers than the presence of the camera as the Duggars try to navigate their way through a family crisis?"
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WHAT?
Those five girls, the victims, should not be paraded out on a television show because you want to see a show really address an important issue. These are real people for gosh sakes.
I expected better from The Washington Post.
I don't understand how a 4-year old can not be able to press charges because by the time she's 7, she still has no clue what exactly happened to her.
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Well there's criminal SOLs and civil SOLs. The prosecutor would sue Josh, not the girls, in criminal. They apparently knew about it and didn't make their case in time. The victim is just their witness and doesn't get to decide how or when to charge him if at all.
The girls might be able to sue him in civil court, who knows what the SOL is for that in Arkansas.
By the way to the original poster SOLs are mostly state laws. Each individual state has their own state law which is why no one here seemed to know what it was without researching it. In CA the SOLs for sex abuses were just recently reformed. Guess who opposed it? Catholic groups. They claimed it unfairly was meant to target them. Whatever, so what if it was?
An insider tells NAUGHTY GOSSIP exclusively, “TLC is about to clean house with upper level staff that knew about the Duggar family molestation secret. It has been a well-known fact among members of the TLC team for YEARS – and nobody did a thing until it hit the public.”
Everybody get ready! (And say bye to the Duggars for good!)
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Holy guacamole! I mean, they should clean house, fire everyone involved from the janitor on up to the CEO, obviously, but this is TLC we're talking about here.
The rubber finally met the road for them. About damn time.
Another member of the NDA (No Duggar Association). Never
watched a minute. Not that I'm looking for a gold star -- it just
never appealed to me. Any one of them could be in my kitchen
right now making me a grilled cheese sandwich, and I couldn't
identify him/her.
Another reason for that pool tweet: "It's another weekend
my kids are with ME!" But where she trips up is, if they're
having special weekend family time, why is she on the
effing phone? Before a custody hearing, maybe she
ought to be a bit more mindful about those things. And
she's making them sound babyish again with the pool
toys. I know there's stuff for older kids, but her intentions
are suspicious to me. And she's shelling out more money
on them 2 weeks after the tups' birthday? So much for
the piecing-and-patching single mom.
I have to agree with most of you that this goes beyond just a mistake or an imperfect family.
To compare this to just another imperfect family or a family with flaws or all teenagers who make mistakes is so disrespectful to the victims. It is minimizing behavior and all it does is perpetuate sexual abuse by letting perps know society sees it as no big deal.
This is not like stealing a beer from your dad's fridge. This is not like staying out an hour past curfew. This is not like not studying and flunking your test. This is not even like smoking a joint between class periods. That only hurts yourself. The problem with this "mistake" is it really, really hurt five other people, probably forever. A mistake implies it can be taken back, fixed. This can't be easily fixed or fixed at all. The girls can get therapy and try to go on with their lives, but what's done is done, and there is a lot more that needs to happen before Josh can be trusted around minors ever again. None of that comes into play when you just made a mistake.
When this story first broke a few days ago that's what I THOUGHT it was, just a teenager who made am mistake, maybe stole a peek under some girlfriend's skirt and his dad overreacted. Once I read the documents it was obvious that was a completely incorrect impression, although understandable knowing how this family rolls. But why some people continue to act like that's all it was, now that we know it was so much more, is baffling. Milo, did you READ the documents?
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 98
He continues further:
"Now that the darkest clouds have rolled in, so has the potential for a much better, more informative show. What could be more absorbing for viewers than the presence of the camera as the Duggars try to navigate their way through a family crisis?"
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WHAT?
Those five girls, the victims, should not be paraded out on a television show because you want to see a show really address an important issue. These are real people for gosh sakes.
I expected better from The Washington Post.
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I agree !!
What is very interesting about what the WP wrote is that you could substitute Gosselin for Duggars, add divorce, and it turns into a FACT of exactly what TLC did years ago even when the Gkids father, Jon, said STOP over and over:
***What could be more absorbing for viewers than the presence of the camera as the "Gosselins" try to navigate their way through a family crisis (Divorce) ?" ****
TLC did not care and kept filming when Jon, the children's own father, said STOP, I do NOT want my kids exploited during one of their most distressing times of their lives.
TLC has proved over and over that doing what is morally and ethically correct is not their concern. TLC is only concerned with ratings and dollars. I truly hope TLC under new management moves in a new direction and CANCELS all future filming of the Duggars and stops all shows exploiting the lives of ALL children including the Gosselins!
No piecin' and patchin' for Kate. Crank up that heater - I know it costs plenty to heat a pool that size.
kateplusmy8
@amyketterer it was HOT here today! And ... I heated the pool for the first weekend so they’re swimming in luxury!:)
Here's another thing for Milo.
Asking that our reality TV families not MOLEST each other is hardly the same thing as expecting them to be "perfect." Stop with the hyperbole.
Also for the cast the first stone folks, I would say, where does that leave the victims?
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 102
I have to agree with most of you that this goes beyond just a mistake or an imperfect family.
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I have read too many comments on various articles, facebook pages, etc claiming how this was just a "mistake", blah blah blah.
How anyone today can claim sexually assaulting any child MULTIPLE times over YEARS is a "mistake" is crazy talk.
It is beyond my comprehension that supporters of the Duggars use the word "mistake". They need to read the police report closely and substitute their own child's name into the victim's section and ask themselves if someone repeatedly sexually assaulted their 5 year old girl or boy would they excuse the behavior and call it a "mistake"? I think they would not. So they need to stop and call it what it is - repeated criminal acts of sexual assault on a minor.
I think a big reason for the lack of disgust in some people is that,
sadly, the girls in that family are seen as "less than." So their
second-class citizen status somehow tempers what happened
to them. Does that make sense to anyone? I keep seeing
picture after picture of Josh with his lapel pins, boasting to
the world about how patriotic and devout he is, and these
poor creatures have to spend the rest of their lives dealing
with his physical and emotional violation of them. He can
apologize. He can be forgiven. But he can never undo
what he did.
And, oh my word, the very last thing those poor girls need is a
bunch of cameras around while they process this incredibly
sensitive thing! People repress memories for decades. Do
they want TLC to park a camera in their bedrooms so they
won't miss anything in case they have a breakthrough?
I'm both furious and sickened by the thought. I hope TLC
will feel the heat and cancel them after the long weekend.
In CA the SOLs for sex abuses were just recently reformed. Guess who opposed it? Catholic groups. They claimed it unfairly was meant to target them. Whatever, so what if it was?
May 23, 2015 at 3:35 PM
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Well, as a Catholic, that embarrasses me (uh, further...). That's like Kate crying persecution because Rep. Murt was trying improve/reform child labor laws in PA.
Sure, it had a lot to do with filming J+K+8 and K+8, but it was meant to protect and benefit ALL.
Nope, they are your young teens on prom night making out and fondling each other. Are they sex offenders and pedofiles?
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That's sort of the difference I was driving at. Normal peeping Tom behavior vs crossing the line over to a pedophile. I'm not sure I can say exactly where that line is but Josh crossed it without a doubt. And obviously doing it to his own siblings makes it completely different than something that happened with your girlfriend.
I am very behind so I may have missed comments lumping all these things into the same thing. I can't agree with that. Two consenting teens in love and maybe doing something they should probably wait a bit longer to do when they are more mature and ready for real consequences, like a baby, doesn't make them pedophiles. That's not what happened whatsoever.
Holy guacamole! I mean, they should clean house, fire everyone involved from the janitor on up to the CEO, obviously, but this is TLC we're talking about here.
The rubber finally met the road for them. About damn time.
May 23, 2015 at 3:38 PM
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I'm taking a "wait and see" on that ;-)
Well, Admin, you called it again. Just before COB on Friday, before a long holiday weekend, TLC made an announcement regarding the Duggar's show.
It's not canceled (yet), but is pulled, for now.
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Sorry to say I called it. I think I even got the time right, around 5 pm!
Friday afternoon is the dumping ground. We learned as journalists if someone wants their news dumped around then, something is probably up. Ok TLC. This one can't be dumped. The turd that won't flush!!! Joke's on you!
The only way this could be a mistake is if Josh were sitting near the child and due to no fault of his own, she brushed against him and he accidentally grazed her private parts, then immediately apologies. That's happened to many people, and it's an honest mistake and usually the person who did it is mortified even though it was purely accidental.
Molesting someone over and over just can't be a "mistake."
FlimsyFlamsy said... 101
Another member of the NDA (No Duggar Association). Never
watched a minute.
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I'm a member of the ANDA, as in Almost...
I remember watching an episode loooooong ago, when Jim Boob and most or some or all? of the kids did some sort of charity outreach trip to some dirt poor place in S. America.
I was astounded at Jim Boob acting like such the Ugly American, speaking nearly zero Spanish, and not apparently giving a crap that he really couldn't communicate with the very people he was supposedly there to help.
JB was very glib and condescending, like, "Here's a bible, my little brown muchacho. You're welcome-o!"
Aunt is a CASA worker in Northwest Arkansas. He thought is state will have to open up new investigation because Joy, a minor, and victim is still in the home.
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I'd like to know this too.
In most states it is the law that if you get a REFERRAL you must investigate it. You can't just look at a referral and decide without looking into the children's well being "oh that's nothing." So since Orpah's people referred it, presumably there would be an investigation but that is no guarantee they won't close it out without ever involving a judge.
I love CASAs by the way.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 112
The only way this could be a mistake is if Josh were sitting near the child and due to no fault of his own, she brushed against him and he accidentally grazed her private parts, then immediately apologies. That's happened to many people, and it's an honest mistake and usually the person who did it is mortified even though it was purely accidental.
Molesting someone over and over just can't be a "mistake."
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So agree ! And sneaking into your sister's bedroom at night while they are sleeping and sexually molesting them is not a "mistake". I won't even mention what he actually did to them which could NEVER be considered a "whoops sorry didn't mean to touch you there" type of contact.
I grew up in a small farming community with a strong Catholic population. Large families were the norm. In was an insular life style.
This is a conversation I had with my mother. I think I was 6-years-old. At the time, we were a family of 4 girls. I knew nothing about male anatomy until I was 10 and my first brother was born.
Me: When I have a baby brother, will he have a crank?
Mom: What is a crank?
Me: Judy's brother has a crank. He lets her play with it.
Mom: What is a crank?
Me: Part of his body. It gets big and little when you play with it.
Mom: Don't talk about cranks! Little girls shouldn't know that.
Judy was one of 12 children. She had two older brothers.
In later life, I asked more questions. One question was -- WHY was Judy's older brother allowed to babysit for us?
Judy was responsible for my exposure to another phrase. At 16, she "...had to get married."
This Duggar conversation brought the entire memory back to the front of my mind.
I expected better from The Washington Post.
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I agree !!
What is very interesting about what the WP wrote is that you could substitute Gosselin for Duggars, add divorce, and it turns into a FACT of exactly what TLC did years ago even when the Gkids father, Jon, said STOP over and over:
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Excellent point. I had a mind to write to the WaPo and ask them to remove this disgusting article, it made me that mad.
This MAN hasn't a clue about sexual assault.
(which is what I based my rather frustrated comment on first thing this morning-sorry!)
Jane said... 104
No piecin' and patchin' for Kate. Crank up that heater - I know it costs plenty to heat a pool that size.
kateplusmy8
@amyketterer it was HOT here today! And ... I heated the pool for the first weekend so they’re swimming in luxury!:)
May 23, 2015 at 3:56 PM
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It costs a pretty penny to heat a pool that size, and evidently Kate misses the tweet from someone living right near her that the weather was rather chilly, actually.
I can personally attest that it was getting brisk as the day went on.
I'm in my pajama pants with socks as I write!
Sharon Osbourne is taking a month off of "The Talk." Once again,
if TFW had played nice during any of the myriad opportunities
she's had in the limelight, I bet she could've scored at least a
few days in one of the "chairs of her dreams." Which she'd
especially relish since it'll be during the time her 8 little
albatrosses are off from school and back in her hair.
Advertisers for 19 kids...
Ace Hardware
Party City
Arm & Hammer (cat litter)
King's Hawaiian
Cortizone 10
Progressive Insurance
Kohl's (department store)
Choice Hotels (choicehotels.com)
Firehouse Subs
Philadelphia Cream Cheese
Pure Leaf Tea
Walgreen's
Minute Maid ( part of the COCA COLA COMPANY!)
Payless Shoes
Beauty Rest Matress
Sherwin WIlliams
Frontline Plus - flea control.
Let's get writing, people. And mention all the other shows we'd like them to boycott as well!
This Duggar conversation brought the entire memory back to the front of my mind.
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And makes me think about how it's really not good to keep kids cooped up in their house, insulate from the outside world, without friends and lots of activities...
To all of you sharing difficult memories/feelings from childhood,
thank you for your candor. I hope it is healing for you.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 109
Nope, they are your young teens on prom night making out and fondling each other. Are they sex offenders and pedofiles?
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That's sort of the difference I was driving at. Normal peeping Tom behavior vs crossing the line over to a pedophile. I'm not sure I can say exactly where that line is but Josh crossed it without a doubt. And obviously doing it to his own siblings makes it completely different than something that happened with your girlfriend.
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What drives it over the line for me is several things, but mostly, his assaulting his then 4-year old sister.
As I understand it, he had assaulted/fondled older sisters before he did this to the youngest. If he was say, curious about the female body, why wouldn't reaching under 1 sister's clothing have satisfied his curiosity?
I don't think Josh was just curious about the female form and seeking to satisfy that by seeing and touching a young developed/developing woman. I think he was getting off on it and the fact that he sought to pleasure himself with a little girl, with little girl parts, gives me chills from head to toe. Especially when I see that he's got a girl about the same age.
I'm sorry if that's offensive to some, but I have to express why I'm so sickened by the fact that anyone, anyone at all, is calling this the mistake of a teenage boy.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 47m47 minutes ago
@amyketterer it was HOT here today! And ... I heated the pool for the first weekend so they’re swimming in luxury!:)
Watch her nose grow, Pinocchio! Hourly temps ranged from 59 to 68 starting at noon, and that is not HOT! What is wrong with her...does she honestly believe that there is nobody in her area who can call her out on this, or check the hourly report from Accuweather?
These reality show fans are nuts they make me sick!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/05/23/a-timeline-of-the-molestation-allegations-against-josh-duggar/
A timeline that the WaPo put together. Well done.
Loved this comment:
"In almost any other circumstance, this guy would have been in juvenile detention when he was 15. Instead, TLC made him a "star" and an icon for today's religious youth. Shame on TLC and shame on the Arkansas court system."
Yup, that's what TLC does. They're quite good at it by now.
Over In TFW's County said... 124
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 47m47 minutes ago
@amyketterer it was HOT here today! And ... I heated the pool for the first weekend so they’re swimming in luxury!:)
Watch her nose grow, Pinocchio! Hourly temps ranged from 59 to 68 starting at noon, and that is not HOT! What is wrong with her...does she honestly believe that there is nobody in her area who can call her out on this, or check the hourly report from Accuweather?
May 23, 2015 at 4:50 PM
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Total BS. I didn't really think about Kate making sure she looked like Super Mom with her Wally World-esque backyard, but the fact that she's shelling out a ton of money to get the pool ready, spotless, filled with new "toys" and heated? And photographed and Tweeted out?
C'mon.
kateplusmy8
@amyketterer it was HOT here today! And ... I heated the pool for the first weekend so they’re swimming in luxury!:)
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*I* heated the pool. Such an amazing mom. She couldn't say that the pool is heated and therefore was comfortable. It's me, me, me...I'm the one who heated the pool. Big hand for the little lady!
Tucker's Mom said... 123
....What drives it over the line for me is several things, but mostly, his assaulting his then 4-year old sister....I'm sorry if that's offensive to some, but I have to express why I'm so sickened by the fact that anyone, anyone at all, is calling this the mistake of a teenage boy.
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So true. It is sickening that people supporting the Duggars are calling it a "mistake". I am so disgusted by all of it: the sexual assaults, the incest, the cover-up, the Duggar parent's NOT protecting their own daughters, the church elders, Josh's wife, Josh's parents-in-law, and TLC/Discovery! All of them covered up, buried, ignored multiple sexual crimes against minors for the sake of fame and fortune on a TLC reality show.
Thanks, Sue_Buddy!!!
"Luxury" -- something her ex can't provide. She can't help
herself from spewing this stuff. Next we'll get a remote
report from the luxurious leather couch.
Yet whatever TFW is providing, it seems H prefers being with
her dad, despite whatever creature comforts his place may
lack. Says a lot, doesn't it?
This is about Gothard leaving last year and other interesting tidbits.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/founder-of-josh-duggars-treatment-center-left-after-sexually-grooming-teens-and-young-women/
rainbowsandunicorns said... 126
kateplusmy8
@amyketterer it was HOT here today! And ... I heated the pool for the first weekend so they’re swimming in luxury!:)
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*I* heated the pool. Such an amazing mom. She couldn't say that the pool is heated and therefore was comfortable. It's me, me, me...I'm the one who heated the pool. Big hand for the little lady!
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She's so full of hot air she probaly blew on it a couple of time and heated it right up.
And that "swimming in luxury" -- hint, hint, Jon doesn't have a pool in his backyard. I'm sure she's reminded any of her kids who would rather live with dad.
And makes me think about how it's really not good to keep kids cooped up in their house, insulate from the outside world, without friends and lots of activities...
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Yes, for so many reasons. Isolating yourself whether you are a child or an adult can lead to bad things. We are naturally social creatures and we need feedback from each other.
I mean, Flowers in the Attic anyone? I snark, but it really isn't that far off base.
Over In TFW's County said... 124
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 47m47 minutes ago
@amyketterer it was HOT here today! And ... I heated the pool for the first weekend so they’re swimming in luxury!:)
Watch her nose grow, Pinocchio! Hourly temps ranged from 59 to 68 starting at noon, and that is not HOT! What is wrong with her...does she honestly believe that there is nobody in her area who can call her out on this, or check the hourly report from Accuweather?
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I thought the same thing. Kate lies so much that she doesn't even have the common sense to realize how easy it would be to prove that her statement "it was HOT here today!" to be a flat out LIE.
You don't even need to live next door to her to prove it was NOT HOT at her house. A quick look on ANY weather website proves the highs in her location today were in the mid 60s.
Anna is a classic enabler and minimizer who could lose her children. Like many mothers before her who also had children with a child molester, sadly she can't be trusted to protect her own kids. Some can't, and so we take them away.
Total BS. I didn't really think about Kate making sure she looked like Super Mom with her Wally World-esque backyard, but the fact that she's shelling out a ton of money to get the pool ready, spotless, filled with new "toys" and heated? And photographed and Tweeted out?
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It's incredible what a little piecin' and patchin' for the entire year can do when summer rolls around, isn't it? You suddenly find money in your purse for pool maintenance, gas or electric to heat the pool (not inexpensive), toys, cleaning service, chemicals, and such.
I wonder if the pool boy wears a thong. Sorry, was channel surfing and landed on Legally Blonde.
http://gawker.com/the-duggar-homeschool-programs-terrifying-advice-on-sex-1706406324
Very interesting article that was (surprisingly) NOT about Josh Dugger. But it gives some insight into how Gothard-ites get sex "therapy".
Whoever posted this link earlier, thanks.
UMMMM it was not hot here today.
Over In TFW's County said... 124
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 47m47 minutes ago
@amyketterer it was HOT here today! And ... I heated the pool for the first weekend so they’re swimming in luxury!:)
Watch her nose grow, Pinocchio! Hourly temps ranged from 59 to 68 starting at noon, and that is not HOT! What is wrong with her...does she honestly believe that there is nobody in her area who can call her out on this, or check the hourly report from Accuweather?
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Don't you know that God has the sun shining in her backyard so that HER family can enjoy weather that no one else in the area has? After all SHE is God's favorite and He always smiles down at HER and showers HER with whatever SHE wants.
What drives it over the line for me is several things, but mostly, his assaulting his then 4-year old sister.
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Exactly. That's what I can't get past either. This was no young teen with ranging hormones who had the hots for his teenage neighbor when he saw her outside wearing a bikini to wash the car. This was a sister who was only a few years past the toddler stage. Absolutely disgusting. Even if he built an entire house as part of his construction "therapy," the desire to assault a minor sibling is not going to be erased.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 131
Anna is a classic enabler and minimizer who could lose her children
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And she's pregnant again.
What is wrong with her...does she honestly believe that there is nobody in her area who can call her out on this, or check the hourly report from Accuweather?
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No. She will never learn that. You would think that after her frantic tweets about losing all of the trees that lined the driveway, about being snowed in when the blizzard of the century hit (a few inches), that somewhere in the far recesses of her mind that she would know better than to lie and embellish.
The Duggar fan's are waisting time with there petitions to get the show back on the air. They don't seem to get it 5 little girls were molested by a 14 year old TLC can not keep this show on the air people are outraged.
It starts! A former Duggar crew member tells his tale:
http://defamer.gawker.com/tell-your-duggar-tales-did-michelle-duggar-get-a-gay-c-1706502185
Gay crew member fired because it upset the "talent".
The founder of a chain of Christian “treatment” centers Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar sent their eldest son to for molesting five girls — including his sisters — resigned in 2014 under a cloud of accusations that he had “sexually groomed” and harassed young women and teens in his ministry.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/founder-of-josh-duggars-treatment-center-left-after-sexually-grooming-teens-and-young-women/
Posters here are so good at figuring out sheeple speak. What does this mean? Who is son Jon? lol!
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Vickie Keene @hkeene345 1h1 hour ago
@Kateplusmy8 i sure miss my kate plus eight show are u coming back on my son jon.while he was in.Pennsylvania love the kids
Meg said... 134
The Duggar fan's are waisting time with there petitions to get the show back on the air. They don't seem to get it 5 little girls were molested by a 14 year old TLC can not keep this show on the air people are outraged.
May 23, 2015 at 5:42 PM
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I think the fundamentalist core of fans will have little bearing on whether or not the show is canceled or continues in whatever form.
This story is huge and everyone involved from the immediate Duggar family members to their community to the local police and government officials to TLC is going to have to wait and see what happens as authorities delve into who did what/knew what and when.
I mean, is TLC going to say, "we're going to go ahead and film" and then begin to realize that people are getting the boom lowered on them, maybe including them?
Even if no one from the prop guy to the CEO of Discovery isn't a mandated reporter, who knew what and when is going to matter.
In the pool picture there are a bunch of sand shovels lined up at the edge of the pool. Why? There is no sand around that I can see and aren't the kids a little old for those? I grew up in a beach town (4 blocks from the beach) and I've never seen kids that age digging in the sand with a shovel and pail. Parents breath a sigh a relief when their kids get older and they no longer have to schlep the toys to the beach any more.
Kate paid Cara $20 to go down the new pool slide years back...you could see your breath that day. She just had to have the pool party she masterminded for the tups' 7th birthday. She doesn't care if they're cold or not.
They don't seem to get it 5 little girls were molested by a 14 year old TLC can not keep this show on the air people are outraged.
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Sadly, yes they can. One of their options is to ban Josh from the show. I'm thinking that's the route that they will take.
redbird said... 130
Thanks, Sue_Buddy!!!
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You're welcome! What'd I do??
Tucker's Mom said... 148
This story is huge and everyone involved from the immediate Duggar family members to their community to the local police and government officials to TLC is going to have to wait and see what happens as authorities delve into who did what/knew what and when.
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I'm not following. I blame it on my clogged sinuses.
Who is going to initiate an investigation?
Couple of things:
1. Jim Bob said Josh went to this treatment center in the police report but Michelle said he didn't he went to live with a friend of theirs in Little Rock and help in his construction business. Which is it?
2. The state trooper they talked with was a friend of Jim Bob's. This man later was convicted of owning child pornography. Does that seem fishy to anyone else? How good a friend was he, I wonder.
Just random thoughts while reading more about this situation. I wonder how often things like this happen in quiverfull families.
Doesn't surprise me to see the younger G kids in the pool on a sunny day, no matter the temperature. Growing up in Northern California, we were always anxious to jump in our pool. The younger we were, the earlier in the year we swam - usually April or May. I think our 'cold sensors' must not have been fully developed.
I'm not following. I blame it on my clogged sinuses.
Who is going to initiate an investigation?
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Not sure, but, there remain questions as to whether or not higher ups at TLC were aware of what Josh did to his sisters, and covered it up or tried to bury it.
How many people who did know, and were mandated to report, failed? If any?
I think Josh will be investigated because he has kids now.
Just because these people managed to evade the justice system and avoid charges doesn't mean that something formal won't be launched now, because Josh has minor children and siblings.
Just my gut.
Kate paid Cara $20 to go down the new pool slide years back...you could see your breath that day. She just had to have the pool party she masterminded for the tups' 7th birthday. She doesn't care if they're cold or not.
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Yes, I remember when they had a pool party in the rain and it was in the 40s.
Kate, you silly widdle wabbit. I'm 40 minutes west of her and it never got above 65 degrees. Mine wanted to go swimming and I said no way, even though the pool is heated. It wasn't as warm as I wanted it to be. Tomorrow and Monday are forecast to be in the 80s, so maybe then. We'll see. Tonight should be in the low 40s, good for a Polar Bear Plunge.
Was there a Woodward and Bernstein on this Duggar reveal? Who let the cat out of the bag, and why now?
I read the article from the Post. I wonder what would happen if Mama or Papa Jim Boob ever caught their kids pleasuring themselves. Would they be sent to do more renovations?
Who is going to initiate an investigation?
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I was wondering the same thing. I thought this case was closed. I don't have clogged sinuses (sini?), but the rumspringa seems to have the same effect.
The state trooper they talked with was a friend of Jim Bob's. This man later was convicted of owning child pornography. Does that seem fishy to anyone else? How good a friend was he, I wonder. 154
I've been having similar thoughts.
I agree Sue. I'm not sure who is going to initiate an investigation either. As far as law enforcement goes, they responded appropriately after receiving the fax from Oprah's people. Jim Bob got Josh a lawyer and at that point the case was dropped likely because the DA knew that they wouldn't get any type of conviction. It said in the report that the it had been forwarded to juvenile court. I have to believe that someone from CPS came at least once to visit the family at home and was likely part of the victim interviews. So, as far as the local law enforcement and court system is concerned, this is ancient history.
As for Discovery's role in this, they are doing what they always do - covering their own butts. I don't see that they would be prosecuted for any criminal offenses. The Oprah people had taken care of disclosing the information to law enforcement and since they were owned by Discovery, the company can say it's due diligence was done. The family wasn't contracted to do a regular series until after the investigation was closed. If local law enforcement agencies felt that this was no longer an issue, then Discovery felt free to move forward. Is it skanky of them? Of course. But come on, we're talking about Discovery. You expect them to moral and ethical?
As far as there still being a young victim in the home, again I don't see another investigation happening. Josh no longer lives in the house so there is no immediate threat to this girl.
Unless another more recent victim comes forward, Josh Duggar isn't touchable legally. His reputation is another matter and I have to believe the bright political career he seemed to desire is now out of his reach.
Dmasy said... 116
In later life, I asked more questions. One question was -- WHY was Judy's older brother allowed to babysit for us?
Judy was responsible for my exposure to another phrase. At 16, she "...had to get married."
This Duggar conversation brought the entire memory back to the front of my mind.
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It so sickens and infuriates me that back in that generation of parenting, sexual matters were such a forbidden subject. It was as if it didn't exist. Apparently we were all found in the cabbage patch.
Not sure, but, there remain questions as to whether or not higher ups at TLC were aware of what Josh did to his sisters, and covered it up or tried to bury it.
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Was it TLC's responsibility to report it even if they knew about it but didn't witness it?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 11m11 minutes ago
So as the sun went down...the appetites ramped up! What did you fix 4your #SwimmingMakesYouHungryCrew tonight? :) @kateplusmy8
What's the matter, Kravitz? Kate has her shades closed so you can't see what is cookin' in the kitchen? Just knock on the front door. She will welcome you with open arms.
Was it TLC's responsibility to report it even if they knew about it but didn't witness it?
Don't believe so.
PA Dutch Mom said... 163
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 11m11 minutes ago
So as the sun went down...the appetites ramped up! What did you fix 4your #SwimmingMakesYouHungryCrew tonight? :) @kateplusmy8
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One slice of homemade bread , folded in half with a quarter strip of bacon, a skinny slice of tomato and a leaf of lettuce in the center. Oh and a raw carrot on the side. They went to bed with full tummies, Gladys. If they were gerbils.
Tucker's Mom said... 164
Was it TLC's responsibility to report it even if they knew about it but didn't witness it?
Don't believe so.
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TLC is just emotionally exhausted and morally bankrupt.
That was a great article about Michelle and firing the gay crew member. I was laughing so hard with them when they saw him pose for Michelle. She will get heat from this when it gets out.
It so sickens and infuriates me that back in that generation of parenting, sexual matters were such a forbidden subject. It was as if it didn't exist. Apparently we were all found in the cabbage patch.
lol!! A memory!
I grew up in a very conservative community with equally conservative parents. When I was about eight or so, the daughter of a prominent community member became pregnant at age 16. Since her parents and my parents were good friends, my mother thought it was time to do some 'splaining to me. I remember the conversation like it was yesterday.
Mom: Do you know why Dianne (not her name) has such a big belly)?
(I knew, but I thought it might be fun to play along).
Me: No. Does she have a disease?.
Mom: Not exactly. The man plants the seed...
(I'm thinking, here we go with the watering the garden story).
Me: How does he do that?
Mom: A man has the seed, the woman has a ripe egg, and...
Me: You mean Dianne got knocked up?
End of discussion.
One slice of homemade bread , folded in half with a quarter strip of bacon, a skinny slice of tomato and a leaf of lettuce in the center.
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Was it sliced as it was baking? Do tell! RECIPE!
As far as there still being a young victim in the home, again I don't see another investigation happening. Josh no longer lives in the house so there is no immediate threat to this girl.
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What about his own children?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
You are one #Tenacious single Mom! This even LOOKS like YOU! :) http://t.co/VbXV9Ri3wX @kateplusmy8
No, Milo. That woman has a waist (and a butt). She really is fascinated with the female body, isn't she?
A quote from Michelle from the last episode...talking about modesty.
I still can't fathom why the women are responsible for the men's thoughts. Why the men are not expected to exercise a little self control. Good grief, it's not the dark ages.
"You can't control what someone else thinks, but we can control what we do. So if we stir up desires in someone else, that can't be righteously fulfilled, then we're responsible for that."
PA Dutch Mom said... 167
Me: You mean Dianne got knocked up?
End of discussion.
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LOL! I got the same big lecture when so and so "had" to get married. It was like 'if you do the crime you do the time'. Geez.
Mel said... 171
A quote from Michelle from the last episode...talking about modesty.
I still can't fathom why the women are responsible for the men's thoughts. Why the men are not expected to exercise a little self control. Good grief, it's not the dark ages.
"You can't control what someone else thinks, but we can control what we do. So if we stir up desires in someone else, that can't be righteously fulfilled, then we're responsible for that."
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So she blames a 4-year old for "stirring up" her 14-year old brother? That's disgusting.
I meant to add that, like Dmasy's comment, the 'had to get married' bs must have been written in the instruction booklet of "How to tell your daughters about sex". I can't to this day believe it was so taboo. Then again, Kotex commercials were only shown late at night and not very often.
"You can't control what someone else thinks, but we can control what we do. So if we stir up desires in someone else, that can't be righteously fulfilled, then we're responsible for that."
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These people are setting us back decades. What else has she said? Now I'm interested.
"You can't control what someone else thinks, but we can control what we do. So if we stir up desires in someone else, that can't be righteously fulfilled, then we're responsible for that."
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OK Michelle. I think that's a load of nonsense, but it begs the question:
When prepubescent girls are sleeping in their own beds, fully clothed, and get molested by a teenaged boy who has his own bedroom down the hall, who's responsible THEN?
I thought the Duggars had a rule about entering opposite-sex bedrooms, anyway.
Do you suppose Josh had his own room so he could be locked into it at night? Dangerous, but not unheard of. Nah. It would be easier to lock him out of the girls' room. I wonder if door locks are even on their bedroom doors.
I don't think that Kate was talking about the air temperature being 80 degrees. I think that she heated the pool to 80 degrees.
anna said... 120
Advertisers for 19 kids...
Thank you for the list.
"...So if we stir up desires in someone else, that can't be righteously fulfilled, then we're responsible for that."
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Oh good grief.
" I'm very sorry you were aroused by me which caused you to get a boner and forced you to have sex with me. "
WTF?
The concept of females corrupting males was (I don't know if it still is.) taught in the Catholic church also.
Girls were "occasions of sin". I kid you not! Wearing patent leather shoes that would reflect under your skirt were a sure sign you were temptress.
Once a nun interrupted our girl's dodge ball game once to tell us that our running and squealing was making us all occasions of sin and we needed to stop immediately.
Quite a burden of guilt to carry.
John R. Powers wrote a very funny book titled "Do Patent Leather Shoes Really Reflect Up?". He grew up Catholic during the 50's and captures the era very well.
I found this definition in the Modern Catholic Encyclopedia:
"Occasions of sin are external circumstances--whether of things or persons--which either because of their special nature or because of the frailty common to humanity or peculiar to some individual, incite or entice one to sin."
That would include parochial school girls in the 50's.
I laugh....now.
http://www.boston.com/news/opinion/2015/05/22/normal-families-don-reality-shows/X5exYPGxXpOTGZgfPIqt1J/story.html?p1=story_hp#comments
nanb
Dmasy said... 180
The concept of females corrupting males was (I don't know if it still is.) taught in the Catholic church also.
Girls were "occasions of sin". I kid you not! Wearing patent leather shoes that would reflect under your skirt were a sure sign you were temptress
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The religious version of an attractive nuisance.
In your bed, in a separate bedroom with your sisters, fully clothed, which means multiple layers of clothing, including pants under your many other layers of clothing..
How much more can you do to not entice a male? Wear a locked chastity belt? It's not like she's wearing only her thong to dinner.
Plus, she's only 5. How enticing can that be? Unless you're a pedophile.
And, he had to seek her out. It's not like they were already interacting in some way.
I sure hope baby talk showed as much sorrow, pain and tears to those 4 little girls as she did for her stillborn.
PA Dutch Mom said... 169
As far as there still being a young victim in the home, again I don't see another investigation happening. Josh no longer lives in the house so there is no immediate threat to this girl.
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What about his own children?
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What about him being on "the set" with his youngest victim and his other little sisters?
Jim Boob and Michelle allow him there I assume unsupervised.
I have more reasons to distrust him than to trust him.
Me: You mean Dianne got knocked up?
End of discussion.
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I was a bit of a wicked little cuss at that age too; )
http://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrity_moms/186182/kate_gosselin_doesnt_trust_her
Huh? If this allegation is true, then Kate has just sunk to a new low in my book. Her explanation that "she doesn't trust her kids with the number" doesn't hold water, since she could have just given her number to the nanny and made her swear to keep it under wraps and use it only in the event of an emergency.
I understand that moms need their alone time ... but what if one of her children had an accident and ended up in the hospital? When kids are truly in trouble they need their moms. As a mom, I'd never forgive myself for not being there for my kid if she was in distress.
I hope Kate wakes up and realizes that getting her alone time is fine, but going MIA isn't something moms should do.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/what-is-quiverfull-heres-a-look-inside-the-duggars-dangerous-christian-cult/
Interesting article about Quiverfull from a former participant. Seems to me Jim Boob must have blamed the daughters for seducing Josh, thus protecting him. I never even heard of this group until TLC. Anyone know how they were discovered? My guess that the kids get no money from the show either.
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/duggar-family-republican-support-huckabee-santorum-molestation-118222.html
This is why I vote democratic usually. I try to stay middle of the road, but these guys turn my stomach. You guys brought up the Catholic Church. Well, me too. Grew up in a very strict environment and when I hit 16, I announced I was done. Too bad the Duggar girls are so brainwashed. Jim Bob is a tyrant.
I love amazing race and survivor. There is always some very religious contestant on those shows who implores Good to help them win a leg of the race, or win a competition. The fans on the snarky fan boards and I have same opinion. God doesn't really care about who wins the race or who wins a contest.
same here. God doesn't care how or if Josh Buggar and the sanctimonious family get themselves out of their PR predicament. Discovery executives and maybe some DC political spin experts care and are working overtime this weekend to figure the angles.
Anonymous said... 182
http://www.boston.com/news/opinion/2015/05/22/normal-families-don-reality-shows/X5exYPGxXpOTGZgfPIqt1J/story.html?p1=story_hp#comments
nanb
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Great article. Applies to the Gosselins too.
So she got a crew member fired for being gay?
I wonder how things would have gone down if Josh had molested one of his brothers?
Wonder how things will go 'IF" that one son rumored to be gay, actually does come out?
19 kids cancelled today in the UK
Replaced with early episodes of john and Kate plus 8
This is headache inducing.
http://powderroom.kinja.com/how-are-the-duggars-dealing-with-the-gothard-sex-scanda-1581883720
The episode showing in the UK is the photo shoot at Beth's house.
Kate said a few times.beth and Bob love us and we love them
Beth said the gosselin family spend every weekend at our house
TLC you paid them to much money /freebies and altered those children's lives forever(and it is sad)
Overthehill (#196), I do remember that episode, and how
close the 2 families were. When TFW is having her trips
down memory lane and watching the reruns with her kids,
what must the children think? Here are these people who
loved them dearly, who went out of their way to help and
care, and poof, they're gone. Of course in life friendships
change and evolve, and that is something you learn as you
get older. But it seems like Beth gave and gave and gave,
and TFW took and took and took, and then kicked the
giver to the curb. How do the fans admire her?
I wonder if the 18 year old Duggar kid who is "courting" a 17 year old girl is going to have a huge 3,000 guest wedding and hand out a cookie to each guest. I wonder if the marriage will actually take place. None of them are self sufficient, educated or have jobs. This family is actually scary. They must have thought they would be on TLC for life.
I also wonder if some way Josh molested his younger brothers and they did not say anything. Evil thought I know, but it seems child molesters can go after both sexes.
No doubt that crew members on j&k8 were told to not upset the "talent". Told not to confront or enlighten the "talent". Just be the observers and document the "talent". Or, you're fired!
foxy, you are right about child molesters going after both sexes. Have you ever noticed that when they mention how many children Mr. So and So molested they always say, He molested 100 CHILDREN.
Not 100 boys or 100 girls, 100 CHILDREN. To me that says, both sexes. Also, the man that Josh was counseled by was convicted of molesting 30 CHILDREN! They took their son to a man who was molesting children to get CURED! What freaking IDIOTS!
Jim Bob should be held accountable for bullying the Springdale Police Dept. by lawyering up and TELLING them that Josh was not speaking to them. He did this on purpose waiting out the SOL. You can't do that! Laws were broken. The police have every right to go to the home and get the suspect and take him in for questioning. Jim Bob didn't want the BIG GIG with TLC to blow up. He is a greedy greedy cheap man.
Also, someone posted about Jim Bob on the Jessa? wedding or Jill wedding? that Jim Bob was shown looking into the girls room and he was talking about the girls and how they would sit on their beds, and was rambling on about the girls in their room. They said it was creepy? I am trying to remember. But in my book, THAT IS CREEPY.
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