"Effective immediately, TLC has pulled all episodes of 19 Kids and Counting currently from the air. We are deeply saddened and troubled by this heartbreaking situation, and our thoughts and prayers are with the family and victims at this difficult time."Meanwhile, Gawker has compiled a comprehensive timeline of events, the best we've seen so far.
1351 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 1351 Newer› Newest»"You can't control what someone else thinks, but we can control what we do. So if we stir up desires in someone else, that can't be righteously fulfilled, then we're responsible for that. (Michelle)
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I wonder what the 4 year old sleeping girl did to stir up Josh.
Vanessa said... 193
So she got a crew member fired for being gay?
I wonder how things would have gone down if Josh had molested one of his brothers?
Wonder how things will go 'IF" that one son rumored to be gay, actually does come out?
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I can't remember which article it was, perhaps a Gawker article, that explained that situation and said the crew member wasn't actually fired, he was moved to another show, which actually turned out better for the crew member.
Found it:
Of course, he wasn’t really fired fired, but taken off this particular crew. Jimmy was super cool and took it all in stride, and understood the reasoning and the delicate balance the producers needed to have to please these stupid people. And the reason he never came forward or made a stink was because he was paid a bonus and moved to a more desirable production.
Tell Your Duggar Tales: Did Michelle Duggar Get a Gay Crew Member Fired?
Seems like there is now a master plan of the Smuggers to get the molesters and possibly gay kids married off as quick as possible when they turn 18.
It makes me wonder if Jana is just staying because she is protecting the little girls. Shame Shame Shame on Michelle. To have Josh around them and then blame her young daughters and 4 yr. old daughter responsible for getting Josh worked up to act upon it is an ABOMINATION!
Yes, Michelle had buckets of tears for Jubilee for the cameras, but will it equal or surpass for the violations of her daughters, their innocence taken? Time will tell.
I have a feeling this is only the tip of the iceberg.
I am going to be spending time today contacting the advertisers on TLC.
AuntieAnn said... 174
I meant to add that, like Dmasy's comment, the 'had to get married' bs must have been written in the instruction booklet of "How to tell your daughters about sex". I can't to this day believe it was so taboo. Then again, Kotex commercials were only shown late at night and not very often.
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When I was 11, My mother and I attended a sex ed informational meeting with other girls and moms. Does anyone else remember the Disneyfied movies portraying the wonders of awakening womanhood signed by getting your period? ? I mean, it practically showed bluebirds chirping while delivering a sanitary pad in their beaks! I don't remember if they even talked about sex in that movie--I remember graphics of the uterus and Fallopian tubes, but I don't remember any male organs or the sexual act. I learned about that from a friend with an older brother, and then later at a school assembly with Dr. Fitch, The boys had a separate assembly. This was in 6th grade.
I was going to ask yesterday what happened to TLC's Four Weddings and then I forgot about it. Today I flipped on the channel to see what they were airing today. It's Four Weddings from 2011. They really reached into the archives. I wonder how many of those couples have since divorced!
I was going to ask yesterday what happened to TLC's Four Weddings and then I forgot about it. Today I flipped on the channel to see what they were airing today. It's Four Weddings from 2011. They really reached into the archives
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Sheesh. The poor interns must be choking on the dust from having to pull out the way-back machine.
Want your creep-o meter to go off the charts?
https://twitter.com/JingerDuggar22/status/602177478141030401
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That tweet was dated yesterday. I don't know if the account is real or not.
@Sue Buddy
True, but the talent wanted him gone/fired based on his sexual orientation. It may have worked out for that crew member, but if he was so inclined, he could have sued them for discrimination. My point was that I believe tfw was allowed to get away with her behavior /abuse because TLC will do anything to appease their cash cows. And most likely if someone voiced their concerns, they were moved or probably REMOVED. 0
Jim Bob should be held accountable for bullying the Springdale Police Dept. by lawyering up and TELLING them that Josh was not speaking to them.
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That's not bullying. That was Josh's right. If he had an attorney, he was under no obligation to speak to law enforcement without his attorney present.
@Sue Buddy
True, but the talent wanted him gone/fired based on his sexual orientation. It may have worked out for that crew member, but if he was so inclined, he could have sued them for discrimination.
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I agree. It's actually kind of a shame he didn't stand up for himself. He could have sued Discovery, TLC, and the Duggers themselves, and exposed them for the bigots they are. I really don't care if they don't like someone based on who they choose to sleep with, you can like and dislike who you want, but you can't discriminate against that person if they are your employee.
19 kids cancelled today in the UK
Replaced with early episodes of john and Kate plus 8
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Has it been canceled? It's just been "pulled" here with other shows filling in. I don't think that TLC came out and officially canceled the show, has it?
So sad. They had just flew in yesterday from Norway, got a cab at the airport on their way home in NJ.
http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2015/05/famed_a_beautiful_mind_mathematician_wife_killed_in_taxi_crash_police_say.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I think TLC isn't using the word "cancelled" yet because they are seeing if they can work a show that doesn't include Josh. They will soon realize they can't, and they will have to say the dreaded C word.
As soon as it got pulled the writing was on the wall. Now that it's pulled, it's going to be very hard to justify putting it back on from a PR standpoint. No PR person would advise it. They've got to cut their losses and cut it loose, forever. Here's a wild idea, take this as an opportunity to go back to the drawing board and develop new, interesting, exciting programming. Maybe even a scripted series like many other cable networks are doing. Go for it. The Duggars were washed up and boring anyway. The shows were boring. They can do better.
http://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrity_moms/186182/kate_gosselin_doesnt_trust_her
This is what the article says...
"Reality star Kate Gosselin gets a lot of flack for the way she treats her kids, but the latest accusation seems truly non-mom-like: She left her kids for four days (with a nanny) and didn't leave them her phone number."
It's confusing. To whom is "them" referring? The kids, or the nanny, or both? If "them" means the kids, that's one thing, but couldn't she have given her number to the nanny? How many phones does she have? Wouldn't you think that the kids always have her number programmed into her phone, in case they have to call her from school about early dismissal, or whatever? Does she have two phones...one for personal traveling and one on which the kids call her?
http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/24/mama-june-threatens-to-sue-tlc-bring-back-honey-boo-boo/
Oh, geez. Mama strikes again.
This is why I vote democratic usually. I try to stay middle of the road, but these guys turn my stomach.
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The vast majority of Republicans are not fundamentalist bigots, have no problem with consenting adults having sex with whoever they want to as long as it's consenting and over 18, and are horrified by sexual abuse. Many Republicans are not religious at all, and many are gay themselves.
However the fundamentalists get media attention because it's interesting I guess to watch people be so bigoted. They are a fringe group.
I wonder if Josh had been molesting his brothers his supporters would be so quick to say, oh he was young, teenage mistake, forgive.
I think the message is that it's just a few girls, they're worthless, nothing to get too excited about. But, if it had been boys, that's a whole 'nother ball game. Don't want any of that gay stuff around.
This whole thing with Josh Duggar has brought back childhood memories of my older brother. He is 3 years older than me.
Although we had our moments of not getting along, he was always my protector. If anyone bullied me, or put me down, they had my brother to answer to. He was my rock through bad times, especially my parents' divorce.
That Josh Duggar took advantage of his sisters, to me, is most reprehensible. I feel so bad for the girls, because the men who should have been their protectors, Josh and Jim Bob, really let them down.
The reason this is being exposed now, as I understand it, was a news organization just now filed a freedom of information request to get the police reports. I'm blanking on who did it, US Weekly?
I don't know if that's because journalists were siting around at a table brain storming what they could try to get information on from various rumors they've heard, or if there was a person or persons who tipped them off they should try to get this. If I were a betting woman I'd take the latter.
I wonder if Josh had been molesting his brothers his supporters would be so quick to say, oh he was young, teenage mistake, forgive.
I think the message is that it's just a few girls, they're worthless, nothing to get too excited about. But, if it had been boys, that's a whole 'nother ball game. Don't want any of that gay stuff around.
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Yes, that was my point as well.
Yeah, how exactly would TLC finesse yanking the show and
then putting it back on? "The wait is over, and the Duggars
are back! Tune in to '18 Kids, Not Counting The One Who
Is An Admitted Child Molester.' Because America has spoken,
and now we know they don't enjoy watching people accused
of incest on a show with their victims."
Wait -- I just used TLC and "finesse" in the same sentence.
I should know better.
Yes, Lanc Native, Josh has a right to get a lawyer and speak to the police with his lawyer present. But my point is that Jim Bob got Josh a lawyer and refused to let them even speak to Josh. Why didn't Jim Bob let Josh talk to the police with the lawyer present?
They may have tried repeatedly to speak to Josh, but Jim Bob kept refusing and kept it up until the SOL expired. I also think that TLC had a helping hand in this too. IMO
I read the article about Michelle having the gay crew member removed and am confused. I realize the Duggars are delicate little uneducated uninformed flowers whose naivete must be protected at all costs, but didn't Jim Bob serve in the Arkansas House of Representatives for a short time and unsuccessfully run for other state offices? He had to have traveled farther afield than the local consignment store. He, and I would assume his wife as well, were surely exposed to the evils of life in the big city. I don't buy their Clampett-esque view of the world any more than I buy Kate's perfect mother storyline.
As I had posted earlier: TLC has only 3 options:
1. Cancel the show, this is the right thing to do. They cancel HBB, if they don't cancel the Duggars, then TLC are hypocrites and have double stands.
2. cause, the Duggars are one of their cash cows, they could just leave Josh & family out of the show. Which still makes TLC a hyprocrite, and defending a family who let a sex offender get away with it. It's like a slap on the hand.
3. Do nothing, do the finger in the ears and lalalalalala, I don't hear anything, pass the buck to the legal eagles, PR and Duggars to find a way out of this mess. Play the we did not know BS.
I truely believe TLC knew, and took a gamble, the Duggars took a gamble, hoping that people would forget, with TLC help. And the Eileen O'neill, I think she knew, did not care, ratings and raking in cash mattered more, than any of these families.
The Duggars need to be canceled. Keeping them on the air, with or with out Josh, would be a DEFRAUD to the Duggar girls and incest victims, & rape victims.
It like saying, oh my, did you do that, bad boy, slap on the hands, naughty boy, we will take you off for a while, till things cool down and slowly put you back on. And your sisters will get over it and move on, it sometimes happens in families. NOT!
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...20
The reason this is being exposed now, as I understand it, was a news organization just now filed a freedom of information request to get the police reports. I'm blanking on who did it, US Weekly?
I don't know if that's because journalists were siting around at a table brain storming what they could try to get information on from various rumors they've heard, or if there was a person or persons who tipped them off they should try to get this. If I were a betting woman I'd take the latter.
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Further, when Josh and JB got wind of it, the victim SUDDENLY filed to have the record destroyed.
That's as I've understood from reading the course of events.
If that's the case it stinks to high heaven.
Admin said....
The vast majority of Republicans are not fundamentalist bigots, have no problem with consenting adults having sex with whoever they want to as long as it's consenting and over 18, and are horrified by sexual abuse. Many Republicans are not religious at all, and many are gay themselves.
However the fundamentalists get media attention because it's interesting I guess to watch people be so bigoted. They are a fringe group.
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They are a fringe group that Republicans repeatedly pander to, which gives them power over the Republican platforms and credibility to their outdated beliefs. By doing so, they implicitly endorse their attitudes. When they stop doing that, then my opinion will change.
Someone sent Jinger a tweet saying that God does hate and Jinger said that tweet made her mom cry. Well, Michelle, you need to cry. Cry for your little girls that were molested by your own son and you and your pathetic husband did nothing to get him out of there for the safety of your little girls. And did nothing to get the girls any help. What about the little girl that broke down in tears telling about it to the police?? Did that not affect you? Witch, please.
Jinger Duggar @JingerDuggar22
· 13h 13 hours ago
Please Stop this..... Its nobody's fault Josh is loved on every way
We all male mistakes
She also tweeted that Johannah was in tears because she thinks the world hates her and God.
https://twitter.com/JingerDuggar22?lang=en
They may have tried repeatedly to speak to Josh, but Jim Bob kept refusing and kept it up until the SOL expired. I also think that TLC had a helping hand in this too. IMO
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I don't think we're getting the whole picture here. If there is a suspect in child molestation, law enforcement just can't hold back on questioning him because his father won't let him speak. If this was within the SOL, then he could have been served with an interrogation notice, and if he wanted to do this with or without a lawyer present was up to him. There is such a thing as Mirandizing. Even if law enforcement opted not to Mirandize him, they could still interrogate him, but his responses would not be admissible in court.
Can you imagine if every suspect in any criminal case simply refused to be questioned and they go about their merry way avoiding the police? It doesn't work that way.
The vast majority of Republicans are not fundamentalist bigots, have no problem with consenting adults having sex with whoever they want to as long as it's consenting and over 18, and are horrified by sexual abuse.
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Absolutely. I am, and have always been, a Republican (almost Libertarian), and I find this whole thing with Huckabee disgusting. If I had any thoughts about voting for him, he just lost my vote. My father was a right-wing Republican politician, and I can tell you that he would have been outraged beyond belief at this Duggar scandal and would have had more than a few choice words to say about this whole mess, cover-up and hypocrisy.
Jinger Duggar @JingerDuggar22
· 13h 13 hours ago
Please Stop this..... Its nobody's fault Josh is loved on every way
We all male mistakes
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But you believe your God hates homosexuals, birth control, abortion, educating women, premarital sex(, premarital ANYTHING actually)
unwed mothers, same sex parents, Transgender, girls exposing their legs, knees, shoulders
. ..but NOT a predatory Duggar who molested his very own flesh and blood.Am I getting this right?
Good grief Redbird, that is not Jinger's twitter.
Jcay
Jim Bob was an AR state representative from 1999-2002, vice chair of house corrections & criminal law subcommittee, just when all the Josh poo started hitting the fan. I'm sure there was some good ole boyism going on when the sol was allowed to run out.
Redbird, I don't think @JingerDuggar22 is a verified account. I don't believe any of the victims would be allowed to have any public opinion at this point. I would take anything from this account with a grain of salt.
Someone sent Jinger a tweet saying that God does hate and Jinger said that tweet made her mom cry. Well, Michelle, you need to cry.
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Are you sure that's a legit Jinger account?
Well, I'm a moderate but I did find it funny that Bruce Jenner "came out" as a Republican on his show haha
redbird said... 28
Someone sent Jinger a tweet saying that God does hate and Jinger said that tweet made her mom cry. Well, Michelle, you need to cry. Cry for your little girls that were molested by your own son and you and your pathetic husband did nothing to get him out of there for the safety of your little girls. And did nothing to get the girls any help. What about the little girl that broke down in tears telling about it to the police?? Did that not affect you? Witch, please.
Jinger Duggar @JingerDuggar22
· 13h 13 hours ago
Please Stop this..... Its nobody's fault Josh is loved on every way
We all male mistakes
She also tweeted that Johannah was in tears because she thinks the world hates her and God.
https://twitter.com/JingerDuggar22?lang=en
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I don't watch the show, but that Jinger account has got to be fake. There's no way she's tweeting that stuff.
I wonder if the situation was reversed if Josh was touched by his sisters would they call it a "teenage mistake"???
Lanc Native.i expect it's not cancelled just pulled.
Redbird (28): "Someone sent Jinger a tweet saying that God does hate and Jinger said that tweet made her mom cry. Well, Michelle, you need to cry."
https://twitter.com/JingerDuggar22?lang=en"
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Is this a verified account? If so, this girl has problems...
Jinger Duggar @JingerDuggar22 · 14h 14 hours ago
I'm hated I pray I could leave now. To go love and live with God
I really don't think that her parents would condone speaking out about this situation and tweeting that her mother and sister are crying. I read some of her tweets. She doesn't even know how to spell her nephew's name correctly, and the spelling and grammar are terrible. The tweets sound like they were written by a very young kid, not a 21-year-old.
The Jinger Duggar account is not her account. They don't let them have SM accounts unless they are courting/engaged.
Jinger Duggar @JingerDuggar22 is not a verified account so I'm pretty sure it's a fake account. In one tweet she uses **** instead of cuss words.
Just to clarify about pedophiles: some are exclusive, targeting only girls or boys, some are non exclusive, targeting both.
No idea about Josh.
Admin 11 said . . ."you can't discriminate against that person if they are your employee".
Admin, unfortunately, you are incorrect. There are no federal laws preventing discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and many states still permit it. Arkansas is one of them. www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/sexual-orientation-discrimination-rights-29541.html .
This whole Dugger mess is just disgusting, especially when prominant politicians come out in support of him. I could understand calling it a mistake if he only did it once. It would still be very wrong, but given their puritanical views on sex, curiosity would be understandable. But 5 victims, including a 4 year old, and while they were sleeping -- not a mistake, but willful and deliberate intent. Scary to think that he still has access to young girls.
Well, I guess the Duggars won't be going to Ireland.
http://news.yahoo.com/ireland-appears-voted-same-sex-marriage-equality-minister-083328527.html
Someone sent Jinger a tweet saying that God does hate and Jinger said that tweet made her mom cry. Well, Michelle, you need to cry. Cry for your little girls that were molested by your own son and you and your pathetic husband did nothing to get him out of there for the safety of your little girls. And did nothing to get the girls any help. What about the little girl that broke down in tears telling about it to the police?? Did that not affect you? Witch, please.
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I really doubt that it's her account. The "language" is immature, not to mention the fact that she wouldn't be tweeting about sending videos about loving Josh. It sounds more like a 13-year-old set up that thing, expecting to fool young tweeters.
TLC stinks said... 46
Most importantly, the scandal is already being used to further divide our increasingly polarized culture. Christians, large families and homeschoolers will be vilified (and viewed with renewed suspicion) through no fault of their own, while members of the media will be attacked for simply doing their jobs.
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THANK YOU, TLC Stinks. Thanks for saying this. Poor parents, creepy teenagers, and bad judgment occur within all families -- be they in public school, private school, charter school or homeschool. No group is immune. But if something happens within a homeschool family, we all get fingers pointed our way.
As I mentioned the other day, I homeschooled my four kids for nearly 20 school years. I was involved on the state level, was a support group leader, and helped counsel many a mom who suddenly needed to remove her child from school (bullying being one of the top causes.)
I've never heard of this ministry the Duggars follow. Not ever. Yes, I've seen really large fundamentalist families who homeschool, but not all that many, really.
Homeschoolers are all shapes and sizes and beliefs. I’ve seen every Protestant denomination I can think of, Catholic, Muslim, Jewish, atheist, wiccan, even some who worshipped the earth goddess!
I've seen some astonishing results from homeschooling (great results), but I've also seen a few kids who really needed to be away from their parents and go back to public school ... and everything in between!
My kids are all in college or college graduates (with honors) and three were accepted into programs that were very selective.
I could give a hundred examples of how homeschool stereotypes are hurtful and wrong most of the time. (We’ve learned to laugh at them) But I’ll choose this one. A few weeks after 9/11, about 30 of us moms and homeschoolers made arrangements to visit a mosque. We wanted our children to see what the devastated congregation really believed. All of the women and girls respectfully covered their heads, and we Christian, Jewish (atheist, etc.) came home with Korans. I'll always be a Christian, but I found a lot of human love going in all directions that day. It still brings tears to my eyes.
We are not the Duggars. Very, very few homeschool families are. And most are not super sheltered as the stereotype would have you believe.
Was Gladys' "sex sells" tweet her only comment about the Duggar
story? Seems the self-proclaimed most tenderhearted person in
the world has a higher tolerance for human suffering than she
thought. I suppose she's afraid to say anything that might seem
like a slam to TLC, lest it jeopardize TFW's future with the network.
Gladys came out swinging last week when some people criticized
M for not maintaining Zorro's blog. But the news of little girls
getting molested by their brother doesn't seem to phase her.
Unfortunately, the Republicans get a bad rap, every time, the Tea party wing of the Republican party, speak, take up a-hole causes, back people like Josh Duggar, say goofy things about everything. And some of the regular Republican party backs them. I'm a Democrat, and I know there are a lot of very wonderful Republican Politicians out there who have, had to put up with these Tea party goofies. These guys do, do the jobs they were elected to do. But when the Tea party goofies talk about how a woman's body can protect from a rape, there is no climate change and whole lot of other non-sense, they got to go. How they ever got into office is beyond me.
Does anyone think JimBob and Michelle are narcissists? They seem to be.
I also am very curious as to which person or persons or group of people were out to prove they are bigots and hateful. This must have been in the making for a while and they had to dig on rumors that have been on the internet for years. They sure succeeded in their mission....at least so far anyway. I also think there is more to come.
http://nypost.com/2015/05/23/toddlers-and-trash-tlcs-freak-shows-were-bound-to-explode/
He tells it like it is. Good writing.
Something's gotta give with TLC. I hope they are having a relaxing and happy holiday weekend. I imagine that if they continue their slogan, "Everybody needs a little TLC," that there will be many people yelling at their televisions, "NO WE DON'T!"
I wonder if that 'minor girl', who asked to have the records destroyed, just happened to be one of the Duggar daughters, as recommended by TLC lawyers when they became aware the scandal was about to explode.
bm
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7429464?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
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You can read baby talk's robocall verbatim here
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/hypocrite-michelle-duggar-compared-transgender-to-child-predator/
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Saw this one coming ;-)
I knew the gist of what Michelle said on this robocall, but reading the exact words put my jaw in the floor.
Imagine TLC re-airing years of episodes that are as hypocritical as this.
They'd have to have cajones the size of Texas.
Admin, unfortunately, you are incorrect. There are no federal laws preventing discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and many states still permit it. Arkansas is one of them. www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/sexual-orientation-discrimination-rights-29541.html .
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Unbelievable.
what century are they living in?
Then again, if these women barely have basic human rights. ...
My kids are all in college or college graduates (with honors) and three were accepted into programs that were very selective.
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That is so wonderful. You must feel so fulfilled knowing you had such a big hand in how your children are succeeding.
foxy said... 50
Does anyone think JimBob and Michelle are narcissists? They seem to be.
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Yes Jimbob to the fullest.
I was like he's got a huge ego to use the first letter of his name to name alllllll of his kids.
I know most men want to give their sons their names but Jimbob took it to a whole new level.
Anonymous said... 52
I wonder if that 'minor girl', who asked to have the records destroyed, just happened to be one of the Duggar daughters, as recommended by TLC lawyers when they became aware the scandal was about to explode.
bm
May 24, 2015 at 12:29 PM
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That's what I'm thinking.
It looks like the Duggars and TLC/Discovery tried to contain the situation once they got wind of the FOIA request, and that has cover-up written all over it.
Of course, if this is true, they'll spin it as trying to protect the victims (cue more finger waggling at us heathens), but we all know better.
I've been reading all over the Internet about JD's, ummm, 'mistakes', and I just have this point for his apologists:
The description of what JD did, over at least a period of one year to five girls (that we know of), defines "digital rape". Touching/fondling breasts and "private genital areas" when violated with fingers, is defined as "Digital Rape".
What about this is innocent child exploration?
His parents utterly failed him and they utterly failed his victims. They also completely failed society by 'handling' this the way they did (which is to say, NOT), their daughter-in-law, and their grandchildren.
They have a lot of soul-searching to do, and, I hope, family repair to attend to asap.
I cannot abide willful ignorance.
TLC stinks said... 46
Most importantly, the scandal is already being used to further divide our increasingly polarized culture. Christians, large families and homeschoolers will be vilified (and viewed with renewed suspicion) through no fault of their own, while members of the media will be attacked for simply doing their jobs.
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Virginia Pen said, "THANK YOU, TLC Stinks. Thanks for saying this"
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It's from the article below. Sometimes it helps when quoting an article, quotation marks are used so one knows if this is the poster's opinion, or if it's taken from an article. This is a good read and makes valid points.Thanks for linking it, TLC Stinks.
http://www.fitsnews.com/2015/05/23/duggar-drama-rocks-america/#FJMDyAoujLIAaoI9.99
A very sad aspect in all of this is that there continues to be a Duggar Cult, the same gullible followers as Kate's sheeple. They will drink the Kool-Aid in the same way as the Jones Cult, refusing to look at reason, the blind leading the blind, with no logical/critical thinking ability. Brain-washing runs rampant. What a way to go through life. For some reason, these people are under the delusion that they need to "support" their leader, and for what reason I have no idea. It's a strange world out there.
What about this is innocent child exploration?
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Yes, and he is the father of a daughter the same age as one he molested. This scares the heck out of me. If he didn't receive professional therapy, did his manual labor renovations "cure" him of his penchant for abusing young girls?
I certainly would hope that there is someone somewhere in all of this who will investigate what is going on in his own home...for the sake of his children.
This guy is a creep. I wouldn't trust him around any children, even if he has confessed his sins and has become closer to God.
Oh dear I didn't realize Arkansas isn't part of the 25 states or so that have outlawed discrimination based on sexual orientation. It's illegal in CA.
In any case, law or not, what she did was wrong.
I know there are a lot of very wonderful Republican Politicians out there who have, had to put up with these Tea party goofies. These guys do, do the jobs they were elected to do. But when the Tea party goofies talk about how a woman's body can protect from a rape, there is no climate change and whole lot of other non-sense, they got to go. How they ever got into office is beyond me.
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I agree, and it's frustrating how they get all the attention and mainstream Republicans do not.
These religious-type issues like gay marriage and abortion have absolutely nothing to do with why I'm registered Republican (although like Blowing lean libertarian). There are so many other tenants of Republicanism that are very appealing to me, from capitalism and other economic theories to the military to government spending to foreign policy. I really don't care about these religious issues except to say whatever floats your boat just don't hurt anyone. Religious issues is not and never was what the party was about. It was hijacked by the fundamentalists.
Although as for climate change, there are thousands of scientists, not politicians, who have come to believe that what we thought we know about global warming is inaccurate, and in fact, the planet is not warming due to carbon admissions or warming at all. What's more, we're asking people to buy into research done on but the teeniest, tiniest pin prick of time across billions of years. For something in which there is so much dissention among experts, there should be more discussion, not less. For some odd reason this is not reported by mainstream media. Maybe out of pride, I don't know. Phil Valentine did a great documentary on it though, and he's a hard core tree hugger as I am. But, because our land is beautiful and sacred and we should protect it. Not because it was a couple degrees warmer a couple years out of the billions of years we've been here. It's all still theories and speculations and expanding research, and neither side has really proven their theory yet. We will have to see what pans out.
Was Gladys' "sex sells" tweet her only comment about the Duggar
story? Seems the self-proclaimed most tenderhearted person in
the world has a higher tolerance for human suffering than she
thought.
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I would have thought the spin Gladys would put on this is that Kate has emerged as the fairest of them all. When everyone else around her falls from grace, there's Kate still standing, just raising good little Christian boy and girls all by herself, plugging away at life and moral righteousness. We always knew we picked the right horse to back.
She's really falling down on the PR here. Wake up Milo.
THANK YOU, TLC Stinks. Thanks for saying this. Poor parents, creepy teenagers, and bad judgment occur within all families -- be they in public school, private school, charter school or homeschool. No group is immune. But if something happens within a homeschool family, we all get fingers pointed our way.
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I can't speak for everyone but I never thought they were representative of homeschoolers. I always saw them as fringe, in pretty much everything. I hope most viewers saw that too.
I think these incidents had way more to do with the lack of supervision and oversight problem when you have that many kids, as well as such strict rules about propriety you're virtually set up to fail---and nothing to do with being homeschooled.
Just curious Admin, where? would you send your 14 yr old son you've just found out has been molesting his sisters? Really, what do you do?
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There are therapeutic alternative boarding schools. Real ones,not like that cult construction company.
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Yes. Parents also make arrangements for the offending child to stay with a trusted family member or friend who does not have children and do their therapy and treatments outpatient if the child isn't in custody.
Our court approves of that just fine. They don't care where the kid goes as long as the other children don't have contact or monitored contact until further evaluations.
I have a question,even if they can sicko Josh does TLC honestly think anyone watching all those younger sisters will be thinking is that one a victim or that one or that one an also the parents tried to cover it up an that is a terrible thing to do ,how can this trainwreck possibly survive this....ps an what about sponsors,that would be 1 slippery slope
I have a question,even if they can sicko Josh does TLC honestly think anyone watching all those younger sisters will be thinking is that one a victim or that one or that one an also the parents tried to cover it up an that is a terrible thing to do ,how can this trainwreck possibly survive this....ps an what about sponsors,that would be 1 slippery slope
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It is a slippery slope, and I'll say it again, they have to cancel the show. Completely. Done. Never back again.
They know this, I think perhaps they're just having a hard time coming to grips with their showpiece being gone just like that. They're human. In a few days they'll be more accepting of its fate.
You can't put the show back on for all the reasons you stated and more. And someone else made a good point, it would need a name change. It's 18 kids now....or the Duggar family or whatever. But changing the name is awkward and obvious. It's awful for the victims, too, because people won't be able to help wondering as they watch the girls which ones were the victims. They don't deserve that sort of wondering from strangers.
I think it's sad TLC couldn't come to this realization Friday when they "pulled it." Now, it necessitates another embarrassing announcement indicated its cancelled. Just rip the bandaid and kiss it goodbye, it's GONE.
admin,
Just wondering, can opposing sides in a custody hearing case be granted numerous delaying tactics similar to in criminal cases?
lj
I wonder if that 'minor girl', who asked to have the records destroyed, just happened to be one of the Duggar daughters, as recommended by TLC lawyers when they became aware the scandal was about to explode. 52
I also wonder if the statute of limitations hasn't run out for this minor girl yet.
i.e. the upcoming June Gosselin hearing ...can it be postponed and postponed forever, and do those records fall under freedom of info act or can they be sealed?
lj
There are continuances in family law court just like criminal. You're not supposed to use them to delay. They're supposed to be for legitimate reasons and in CA, are granted for good cause unless the court finds the continuance is not in child's best interest. (Such as a very distraught child desperate for a resolution.)
They are a fringe group that Republicans repeatedly pander to, which gives them power over the Republican platforms and credibility to their outdated beliefs. By doing so, they implicitly endorse their attitudes. When they stop doing that, then my opinion will change.
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Some may for votes because their constituents support them, just like Democrats pander to their crazy nutty fringe groups for votes. Josh's PAC however was always regarded as a far right wing nut fringe by any Republican I knew. No one took it seriously.
The vast majority of Republicans have absolutely nothing to do with the Duggars. I've never voted for a single Republican who had anything to do with the Duggars, or the tea party, or any of that.
Admin:
Following a Freedom of Information Act request from The Washington Post for the police report published by In Touch, the Springdale Police Department responded by e-mailing a court document that ordered that the report “be destroyed and expunged from the public records … and that any and all copies of the same be destroyed.”
The court order was the result of a motion to expunge filed by one of the alleged victims. It was signed by Judge Stacey Zimmerman on May 21, the same day The Post’s FOIA request was submitted.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/05/21/josh-duggar-apologizes-resigns-from-family-research-council-amid-molestation-allegations/
VirginiaPen Mom, what I pasted was a quote from the cited article, but I agree home schooling gets a bad rap.
Just adding my 2 cents about homeschooling. I have the utmost respect for those who do so.
I consider people like the Duggars a fringe group and not at all representative of the majority of homeschoolers.
I heard the victims wanted the police report destroyed who knows?
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This woman (or man) has the mentality of a 10-year-old. What in the name of all that's holy is wrong with her? She thinks she's funny. She's not. She's a joke.
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I've been reading all over the Internet about JD's, ummm, 'mistakes', and I just have this point for his apologists:
The description of what JD did, over at least a period of one year to five girls (that we know of), defines "digital rape". Touching/fondling breasts and "private genital areas" when violated with fingers, is defined as "Digital Rape".
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Like I said, this is not at all as innocuous as Josh and his supporters make it out to be. What he did was not a back of the hand-type TSA pat down at the security line at the airport.
What he did to their genitals (vagina) was probably quite painful.
(again, sorry for being graphic, but the seriousness needs to be "spoken")
You can't put the show back on for all the reasons you stated and more. And someone else made a good point, it would need a name change. It's 18 kids now....or the Duggar family or whatever. But changing the name is awkward and obvious. It's awful for the victims, too, because people won't be able to help wondering as they watch the girls which ones were the victims. They don't deserve that sort of wondering from strangers.
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Not quite as expedient as omitting the guy's name that doesn't rhyme with Kate ;-)
(again, sorry for being graphic, but the seriousness needs to be "spoken"). 81
Tucker's, you are simply describing the reality of what was done to these girls.
"mistake" my ass.
She's really falling down on the PR here. Wake up Milo.
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She's too busy searching the internet for bird photos and chirps to send to Zorro! I wonder how much she gets paid for that. Is this in her PR job description?
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The description of what JD did, over at least a period of one year to five girls (that we know of), defines "digital rape". Touching/fondling breasts and "private genital areas" when violated with fingers, is defined as "Digital Rape".
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I always thought that digital rape was using fingers (or other objects) to penetrate (not just fondle), rather than a body part. In other words, for it to be rape of any kind, actual penetration must occur. Otherwise, it's sexual assault or sexual molestation.
How is it known that this is what he did? Are the graphic details of the molestation detailed online somewhere, such as in a police report?
However, according to Arkansas law, a person commits rape if he/she engages in deviate sexual activity:
http://apps.rainn.org/policy-crime-definitions/index.cfm?state=Arkansas&group=3
Like I said, this is not at all as innocuous as Josh and his supporters make it out to be.
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A big part of me wonders if many of these people have really even read the documents. I think some people just sort of jump to a position, are lazy and don't read things, and go with the headline as their starting point instead of taking the time to delve into the documents. They would rather spend all their time crafting a blog post with a wild opinion they hope goes viral than reading everything first.
The headline is Josh fondled his sisters. Well that could mean anything, and not all fondling is equal. You *have* to read to really have an informed opinion on the situation. I'd really be curious who of all the people defending this actually read everything.
As for this article, nonsense. This story transcends party lines. This story is not about politics!:
http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/the-duggars-arent-hypocrites-progressives-are/
I do think TLC will ultimately pull the plug on the Duggars
permanently. But how will they phrase it? If they claim to be
doing it on some kind of moral grounds, why wasn't that enough
to make that decision Friday? It seems clear to me the success
of the show is delaying their decision. So when they finally do
say it's gone for good, I think it'll prove that money was first and foremost their concern. "Thoughts and prayers," my foot. If TLC thought anything about those little girls who were violated, they'd
have ended it immediately at Josh's admission of wrongdoing.
.the Network the Duggars built them that huge home so they could continue to roll in $$$$$......no other reason..otherwise they would still be in that 2 bedroom free rental packed like rats.
Thinking ahead to next week's block party, if TLC does pull the
Duggars before then, they may just want to cancel, and avoid
calling any extra attention to themselves.
But if it does go on as planned, I wonder if Jeff Millionaire will
be there? Just kind of lurking in the periphery, so a "source"
can snap a few pictures, and get some poor neglected narcissists'
name back in the news?
Why would they agree to be on a reality show when they got these kind of skeletons in their closet?.They must`have known this stuff would come out at some point.
This just in, from TIME magazine update. Josh and Anna Duggars official website has been taken down.
And people, recently the publication of choice for all things duggar, has an article about the online postings years ago by Alice that detailed the sexual molestation accusations.
My guess TLC is waiting see if the big sponsors pull out. I get the feeling they want to salvage what they can from the show, particularly the marriages and births. If they do not cancel, the hemorrhaging will continue, at least I hope it does so that their few million viewers realize what a sleazy operation the company has become. Everybody else gets it.
Back to Kate, there were only three kids in the pool so I don't think everyone was enjoying it although she makes it sound like that.
And she just tweeted another picture of Shoka.
This just in, from TIME magazine update. Josh and Anna Duggars official website has been taken down.
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I thought that was taken down a few days ago. I can't keep up with this! Wake me when TLC officially announces the cancellation of this show.
MSN said TLC is trying to figure out how to keep the show on the air as it is the girls that bring in the ratings with their weddings and babies. After a while that will get boring as well. Nobody works, and yet they get European honeymoons, houses, furniture, etc. Nobody pays their dues it seems where you have to work hard to get ahead in life. I won't watch that show ever and I never have.
Personally, I think Kate and Jeff Millionaire's business deal is to convince TLC to film them dating. She's had this dating mantra going on for months now, and as she reminds us often, the kids are dying for her to date. NOT.
VA Pen Mom - I enjoyed your post about homeschooling, and how families can do a great job at homeschooling. The Pioneer Woman talks about her homeschooled children, and how they have a homeschool co-op, so families can help each other out, and the children get to socialize with other kids their own age. One of my sisters became very religious when she went to college, met her husband in that group, and she homeschooled. But they did not live apart from the world, and they were part of a larger homeschooling group, so that their children grew up with plenty of friends, outside activities, etc. They were allowed to be individuals and all four of them graduated from college and are working and supporting themselves. Very different from the Duggar children. The girls aren't even allowed to learn marketable skills (and don't even get me started on Jill supposedly studying to be a midwife - she was so ignorant of childbirth it is speculated she put her unborn baby in danger by trying too long to have it at home). The boys don't do much better - selling used cars; towing trucks, and working for their father is about all they are prepared for. It's very sad to see parents wilfully stunt their children's opportunities.
I am glad to see that Huckabee is getting a lot of negative backlash for his support of a molester. I predict he'll drop out of the presidential race within the next week or two.
If there is a silver lining, I hope that some people who might be considering joining ATI or any Gothard-related cult will rethink immediately. This is a terrible group of people, and its leader is a molester himself. I cannot imagine any parent, upon learning that Bill Gothard has molested numerous young girls, would remain part of the group -- but that's what JimBob and Michelle have done. To them, it's okay.
Every time I think of JImBob and Michele bleating on and on about how their children don't even hold hands during courtship to "keep themselves pure", I see red. Those two sure take the cake as world class hypocrites and phonies.
However, according to Arkansas law, a person commits rape if he/she engages in deviate sexual activity:
http://apps.rainn.org/policy-crime-definitions/index.cfm?state=Arkansas&group=3
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So then under their state law, this was rape? It certainly sounds like "deviate sexual activity" and this was with minors.
TLC darn well knew about the allegations just like they know what an abuser Kate is, but they choose to coverup. Now if some whistle blowers would just confirm this....
I said it yesterday and I'll say it again: I really think TLC or someone is trying to get the victims to come forward and say that they forgave Josh so everyone else should too. An interview with the parents is probably also in the works. I would think TLC would wait to see how the public reacts to these interviews before deciding on the show's fate.
To whoever asked, yes I do think Ma and Pa Duggar are narcissists.
They went ahead and did this show with a huge skeleton in their closet because they were arrogant enough to think either they were powerful enough to either keep it a secret, or that if it did come out, it would be seen as no big deal. They were also arrogant enough in their family statement to say how eager they were to continue to be on TV. It absolutely refused to cross their minds that maybe they should go off the air, that maybe there was something wrong about rewarding a child predator and the parents who protected him (but not his victims), whether he had stopped doing that anymore or not, with a TV show. Not a trace of humbleness. All of that is narcissism to a T.
RIP Anne Meara.
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She's an obnoxious loose cannon! She tweeted Kate earlier with this same thing. Kate didn't respond, and so she's pestering her again!
I bet Kate thanks her lucky stars every day that she lives nowhere near The Gladys!
I agree that TLC has to cancel this show, and they should have done so on Friday. It's obvious that the reason they haven't cancelled so far is they were truly hoping their cash cow wouldn't have to go away. Too bad, so sad for you TLC. It's a shame TLC is too cheap and lazy to produce quality programming. I hope heads do roll at TLC, because I have no doubt they were aware of this situation way back in 2006, but chose to continue filming and hope it would never come to the light of day.
I wish they would produce at least one or two home decorating shows again. They had several that I enjoyed years ago. Stop filming kids, stop filming huge families, stop filming little people, extremely overweight people, and people who want to have sex with their cars. Just stop. Put some effort into producing something with at least minimal value to the viewers.
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/mom-of-gun-toting-quiverfull-family-14-year-old-josh-duggar-was-playing-doctor-so-leave-him-alone/
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Does anyone think JimBob and Michelle are narcissists? They seem to be.
I also am very curious as to which person or persons or group of people were out to prove they are bigots and hateful. This must have been in the making for a while and they had to dig on rumors that have been on the internet for years. They sure succeeded in their mission....at least so far anyway. I also think there is more to come.
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foxy, what else do you think is coming? I don't read Duggar Blogs so I don't know if there's more information about the family coming down the pike.
bm, since 4 of the 5 victims were Duggar girls, there's an 80% chance it was one of them that wanted the records destroyed. (My money is on Jim Bob "convincing" them. Girls aren't allowed to make decisions.)
But it's a which came first: the chicken or the egg
Did someone tip off the press that they should request the records or did the family get wind of the press asking questions? I think the answer to that could be very interesting too. Was TLC involved? Was it a TLC insider who tipped off the press? Did someone in the press tip off someone at TLC who tipped off the Duggars? Did someone in law enforcement inform the Duggars that someone was digging or did they earn a few bucks from the press? So many questions, so few answers.
Did Michelle Duggar know that the corporate power person behind her show was, um, ....... you know, gay? Would that knowledge have sent her screaming from the room at the first interview with Discovery?
I think where Tfw and the Duggars mis-read the public is that the public objects to them living the good life based on lies.
TFW sells that she's the most perfect and best mom out there, but then has a journal detailing how she beat her toddlers.
The Duggars' selling point is that they are the most holy, perfect, Christian family out there, but they cover up that one of the sons is a child molester.
Stop trying to sell us on how perfect you are and thus deserving of the high lifestyle you live thanks to your reality tv show, when in reality you're far worse than many families and are deserving of nothing. And your reality show is nothing but lies. Stop trying to tell me that this is your real life when it isn't. Stop lying. Stop the hypocrisy.
So now that People has written about the online commenter that outed Josh Duggar eight years ago, will Robert finally be vindicated when it comes out about how Kate abuses the kids and forces them to film?
Here's a good article from Mashable:
http://mashable.com/2015/05/23/josh-duggar-child-sex-abuse/
Derek LaHair, 35, is one of these survivors. At age 5, a half-sibling began abusing him over a period of nearly two years.
"I remember saying to my family member that this wasn't right," he told Mashable. When LaHair later told his mother about the abuse, she contacted the authorities and his half-sibling was ordered to a juvenile hall facility to receive mental health treatment.
LaHair said the characterization of Josh Duggar's actions as "mistakes" is a grave misrepresentation.
"Mistake is a very easy word," he said.
"Of course it’s a mistake. It’s also a betrayal. It’s also a heinous crime. We like to downplay these words a lot because if we call it what it truly is ... [people] don’t want to look at that, they don’t want to read about that, because they don’t want to think it could happen to their children. The truth is that it could, and it does every single day."
I really think TLC or someone is trying to get the victims to come forward and say that they forgave Josh so everyone else should too.
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I would think that's the last thing TLC would want. When Kate dragged Mady and Cara out to set the record straight, that everything is fine, we all saw how that worked for them. TLC wouldn't take the chance in exposing these victims to public scrutiny. They would be crucified for it.
At least some of Josh and Anna's websites seem to be still up. I googled Josh Duggar's website and the first link led me to what looks like their site. I followed links there to what looks like Josh's Facebook.
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From the Josh and Anna website. Note that the sexual abuse we know about happened in 2002 and 2003.
Josh: That Christmas came and went in 2001. My father was serving as State Representative in our area and he was just beginning his campaign statewide for U.S. Senate. Although he lost the election, God used it through a series of events to catch the eye of the Discovery Health Channel. In 2004 our first documentary was aired.
Anna: Just after the Duggars first show aired on the Discovery Health Channel, some friends of ours sent us a copy of ’14 Children & Pregnant Again!’ As my family watched the video, I noticed how Joshua, then age sixteen, shared the importance of guarding his heart and waiting for someone who would really love him and wasn’t going to just get carried away with their emotions. I was so excited to see another family who was brought up so similar to the way our parents were training us, but never would I have dreamed what God had in store!
Josh: As I became a teenage young man I was constantly tempted to have lots of wrong thoughts, and often battled to keep my heart right. One of the greatest things that helped me in my struggles was my parent’s commitment to accountability. They were faithful to talk with each one of their children – if we were willing to share honestly & openly with them – to maintain a clear conscience. I learned quickly that great freedom can be achieved by accountability, and great accountability requires humility & openness. I often had failures in my early teenage years, but found I had a clear conscience only when I was willing to confess my thoughts and temptations quickly to God & my parents. (1 John 1:9)
From http://ja20.com/ourstory/
There's that minimization again. Based on Josh's statement on his web site he seems to think that bad behavior is made right simply by confessing it and having accountability.
I don't disagree for victimless crimes. If a teenager tries a cigarette, or comes home a couple hours past curfew, or curses someone out, accountability and confession are important.
But there are victims here, and he owes accountability to more people than just himself. And it won't go away like smoking a cigarette goes away. He did something permanent to five children, and I don't get the sense he realizes that.
That's one hangup I have about their religion is that sins are okay and forgiven as long as you take certain steps. It doesn't work that way for victims.
I should add that confessing and accountability ARE important in this situation, and it's good that he did that if it was sincere. But it's not the only thing that needs to happen to make this right. There's so much more.
http://www.people.com/article/online-commenter-warned-josh-duggar-molestation
HMMM could People writers be reading here?
I think where Tfw and the Duggars mis-read the public is that the public objects to them living the good life based on lies.
TFW sells that she's the most perfect and best mom out there, but then has a journal detailing how she beat her toddlers.
The Duggars' selling point is that they are the most holy, perfect, Christian family out there, but they cover up that one of the sons is a child molester.
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That's exactly what this is about. This is not about the far left hating Christianity and waiting with glee for a big fall. The Willises are Christian and nobody hates them. I could provide many other examples. Most Christians don't identify at all with the Duggar brand of Christianity just like most Republicans don't identify with their politics.
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You know what would convince me that the Duggar family is
actually contrite? If they themselves quit their show. That
would show people that they'd like to be held accountable
for what happened - for their part in keeping it a secret. In
Josh's case, it would show truly regrets the incredible
hypocrisy of making an career out of warning people to beware
of sexual deviants, when his own past behavior defines him
as one. Doesn't penitence involve sacrifice? Giving up the
money and fame that show brought them would really show
that they want to stay on a godly path. Never gonna happen.
I wonder if the Bate family and Willis Clan will rethink their association with TLC?
If TLC in conjunction with JimBob and Michele make their daughters publicly discuss these incidents and then say that they forgive their brother, so everyone else should to -- oh wow, the internet will go wild again, with criticism even stronger against the Duggar parents and TLC. That would be a horrible thing to make those girls do. And believe me, we'd all be sitting here saying, "those girls were made to do that." And we would be 100% correct.
You know, I think Josh Duggar recently used the term "pandora's box" (incorrectly) not too long ago. It's ironic that after that, a real Pandora's box has been opened. And the truth is out there, and no amount of white-washing is going to work this time. No amount of JimBob calling in favors will get his ugly mug back on tv, except when his terrible parenting is being discussed. How ironic also that he talked down his own father, when it turns out that JimBob is an utter failure as a father himself. His dad at least didn't raise a molester, although he did end up with an idiot for a son (and I think his dad knew that). I also am not thinking too highly of Grandma Duggar right about now. She had to have known, and she went along quite happily with the program. What kind of grandmother does that? Shameful that she supported this.
I thought the police records were out in the open? I didn't get to see any records I'm kind of late to all this. Who leaked the records? does anyone have a link?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/nolongerquivering/what-is-quiverfull/
Intersting especially the last sentence
P.J., good questions. I watched The Duggars once. Literally. So since I had no interest in them, I was unaware of what has been on the blogs for years. Why this explodes now is a head scratcher. Is it "Alice"? Is it the Oprah email tipster? Is it a family member? A TLC staffer? A Oprah staffer? Police Dept. leak? Or maybe, a Kate masterminding project, which is far fetched but she is capable.
Connie said... 121
I thought the police records were out in the open? I didn't get to see any records I'm kind of late to all this. Who leaked the records? does anyone have a link?
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They're on the In-Touch website. Only the first page shows, but you can scroll/click to other pages. As I understand it, In-Touch and an Arkansas newspaper asked for and received them (though highly redacted). In-Touch published them on Thursday the 21st. When The Washington Post requested them, they were told that they had been destroyed, based on a judge's order, based on a request from one of the victims.
You know what would convince me that the Duggar family is
actually contrite? If they themselves quit their show. That
would show people that they'd like to be held accountable
for what happened - for their part in keeping it a secret.
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It wouldn't convince me. I'd never believe that they were being sincere. They are just too sneaky, shady and conniving.
http://www.people.com/article/online-commenter-warned-josh-duggar-molestation
HMMM could People writers be reading here?
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Before it was reported here, other blogs and boards were commenting on "Alice" and that old post.
Thank you Math Girl!
admin said, "The Willises are Christian and nobody hates them. I could provide many other examples."
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Not now, but the Duggars at first were regarded as a good, kind-hearted Christian family and look what happened.
After this latest TLC debacle, I'm suspicious of all families that TLC films and uses to pad their bank account.
Any guesses?
http://blindgossip.com/?p=71479#more-71479
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FlimsyFlamsy said... 118
You know what would convince me that the Duggar family is
actually contrite? If they themselves quit their show. That
would show people that they'd like to be held accountable
for what happened - for their part in keeping it a secret. In
Josh's case, it would show truly regrets the incredible
hypocrisy of making an career out of warning people to beware
of sexual deviants, when his own past behavior defines him
as one. Doesn't penitence involve sacrifice? Giving up the
money and fame that show brought them would really show
that they want to stay on a godly path. Never gonna happen.
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Sorry, but I have to disagree. Nothing they could do would now would convince me that they were contrite. They covered it up for years and pretended to be this wholesome Christian family while they lied to their audience. They don't regret their "careers". They regret that they got caught in their lies and cover-up.
I watched the Willis Family tonight. (one show, they seem to be in marathon mode over there at TLC)
Several times during the show, different members of the family talked about how people are always asking them about how hard it must be to grocery shop for so many people, and every time, the family member said, "It's no big deal."
Suck it, Kreider! We are "sick and tired of your dramatics." Stop "defaulting to drama".
And the hits just keep on coming.
http://www.people.com/article/josh-duggar-incest-joke-video
Millicent: amen to quality programming.
CS: the Bates family is a channel called UP.
Kudos to the person here who said Kate will do the dog pics & pool pics. Kate is actually lying low right now.
Without minimizing what Josh Duggar did, I do not believe he deserves this public shaming 10 years later. He was a teenager with serious issues & he deserved help & counseling at that time. Public shaming in the media not only doesn't help him but it puts his sisters into an unfair position of being victimized a second time.
The Duggar parents have a lot to answer for - the responsibility for all of this falls squarely on their shoulders. They chose to become a celebrity family while their children were young - the kids didn't get a choice. And so the kids' private lives, good & bad, have now become part of the latest media scandal. Way to go Duggar parents. You deserve every bad thing said about you. Your children do not.
Any guesses?
http://blindgossip.com/?p=71479#more-71479
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Yes, someone linked that here a few days ago. Interesting about the leaks and cover-ups. I wonder if TLC ever imagined that this scandal would be this huge. Surprise, TLC...it's all on you!
tweeter (133): "Kudos to the person here who said Kate will do the dog pics & pool pics. Kate is actually lying low right now. "
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Not only is Kate lying low, the fans don't have much to say, either. I imagine they are having problems figuring out how to spin this since TLC and Kate are bosom buddies!
Here is a terrible thought: A DUGGAR SPIN OFF!
TLC will of course wait till things cool down. After all, the girls did nothing, except be victims, that were shoved under the rug and now must support the family. I would not put it past, TLC & JimBob to do something like this. Even call it: Duggars the Next Generation.
There were rumors floating around last year of a Duggar spin off, starring Jill Duggar or Amy Duggar, I suppose you can include now Jessa. This would be a clever way to keep the Duggars rolling in money, center the show on Jill or Jessa, or both, Amy was just not interesting enough, though TLC did a 2 hour special on Amy and then sneak the rest of the Duggars in, and Josh down the road, when everything quiets down.
Just a thought! A scary one!
There are articles telling that Jim Bob teaches about purity and how important it is to stay pure. He compares not being pure to parents buying a bicycle for Christmas and hiding it in a shed. A neighborhood boy sneaking and stealing it. Riding it and tearing it up. Then putting it back in the shed. Then the parents taking the child to the shed on Christmas morning only to find the bike destroyed. The child will accept the bike destroyed and use it but it will be nothing like it was before it was demolished by the boy.
TLC will of course wait till things cool down. After all, the girls did nothing, except be victims, that were shoved under the rug and now must support the family. I would not put it past, TLC & JimBob to do something like this. Even call it: Duggars the Next Generation.
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It will never happen. Why would TLC want to resurrect something that has caused them so much negative publicity, and has forced them to work like maniacs to figure out what to do? That's like jumping from the frying pan into the fire.
Without minimizing what Josh Duggar did, I do not believe he deserves this public shaming 10 years later. He was a teenager with serious issues & he deserved help & counseling at that time. Public shaming in the media not only doesn't help him but it puts his sisters into an unfair position of being victimized a second time.
The Duggar parents have a lot to answer for - the responsibility for all of this falls squarely on their shoulders.
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Except that you can't call out the Duggar parents, their hypocrisy, their cover up and failure to protect their children without publicly talking about the seriousness of what Josh did. If that's public shaming in the media, then that's what it is. It would be very difficult to separate the two.
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CS: the Bates family is a channel called UP.
Thank you I didn't know that. I have only seen them on the Duggars show and they also creep me out.
when the first daughter went to Jim bob in march 2002 they should have taken him away from the siblings. This would have PREVENTED victims 2, 3, 4,5........ over the course of the year up until march 2003. He only took him out of the house THEN and only temporarily. When you catch something like that you don't let the situation stay the same and PRAY he doesn't re-offend!
Rainbirdie...134...I do not believe he deserves this public shaming 10 years later...
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I would agree with you, Rainbirdie, if he were still a teenager. He's now an adult, however, who chose to make make a living by publicly demeaning people he deems unworthy, all while choosing each day to keep his dirty little secret and remain the hypocrite we all now know him to be. I am sick for each of his victims, who are now going to be re-victimized all over again...but I have no sympathy for Josh or his parents.
when the first daughter went to Jim bob in march 2002 they should have taken him away from the siblings. This would have PREVENTED victims 2, 3, 4,5........ over the course of the year up until march 2003
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Was she the only victim at that time, or was he molesting four of them within the same time period? If the latter is true, then removing him from that house wouldn't have saved the others. From what I understood, this was going on with all four at the same time, and a year later he moved on to the youngest sister. Is that correct?
I went and looked at the Gawker site again and there is a post that says Josh frequented strip clubs in Fayetteville when he was 18-19, before he married Anna, and after the family had done several of the specials.
I'm going to make my prediction: When the dust settles, I think it will come out that Josh was molested by someone within the Quiverfull cult and Daddy Jimboob himself has inappropriately touched some of his daughters.
Sleepless, either way, Josh should have been removed from the household, and should have also been given proper counseling/therapy, and probably the rest of the family should have had counseling as well. I don't really care who tracked down this police report, or if someone tipped someone in the media off. I don't see how that really matters. This rumor was floating around for literally years, and apparently someone at In Touch finally did a FOIA request and lo and behold, there was that report sitting there all that time.
In any event, Josh clearly had unhealthy obsessions, and once his parents became aware, they should have immediately separated him from his sisters, permanently. It wouldn't have to be in a shunning fashion -- his grandparents were still alive and living in the area. He could have gone to live with them. They should have gotten him some intensive appropriate therapy. Instead, they did the opposite. Then they had the nerve to hold themselves out as exemplary parents. The hypocrisy is stunning.
I watched one of the Willis Clan shows tonight. It was the one where the oldest boy "Jair" proposed to his 18-year old girlfriend. I previously watched another episode, the one where four of the kids dance at the Old Opry.
My thoughts: The family SEEMS wholesome. I'm automatically suspicious, knowing TLC's track record. Maybe the entire family really does love making music, traveling and performing all the time, dancing and wrestling. But the way the Dad talks about how he thinks certain forms of dance teach a boy how to treat a woman, and so that's why he insists all his kids learn to dance? A red flag popped up. It's fine to like dancing. They do a version of West Coast Swing, and I personally love that style of dance. I took some lessons a few years ago and I had a blast. But it never crossed my mind to insist that my son learn, just because I loved it. I am uncomfortable when parents dictate the interests of their children.
The family singers are pretty good, if you like that style of music. I grew bored by the third song. It's all the same. I don't see them breaking out as the next big family band, but I am sure they have a certain segment of the population who would buy their music.
The show itself is boring to me. It's very repetitive. Plus, I really don't care that much about some 18-year old boy's love interest. I certainly hope they don't make a huge deal about the engagement and wedding.
I am curious about what religion they follow. The mom made a point of saying they aren't associated with any particular religion, but yet they have a group that meets every Sunday to "fellowship" and pray and sing and eat. So what's the deal? Now that I'm wise to the Duggars' own creepy religious guru, I'm not falling for the "oh, we just love to read the Bible and sing" story line.
However, the bottom line is the Willis Clan does not interest me. They seem nice enough, and I sure hope that's true for the kids' sake. But I don't care to listen to their music, nor do I find it interesting to watch them work out, take a pair of shoes out of their "wall-o'shoes", listen to their mom talk about gender roles being defined by the Bible, or any other boring crap I don't agree with.
Admin said....
The vast majority of Republicans are not fundamentalist bigots, have no problem with consenting adults having sex with whoever they want to as long as it's consenting and over 18, and are horrified by sexual abuse. Many Republicans are not religious at all, and many are gay themselves.
However the fundamentalists get media attention because it's interesting I guess to watch people be so bigoted. They are a fringe group.
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They are a fringe group that Republicans repeatedly pander to, which gives them power over the Republican platforms and credibility to their outdated beliefs. By doing so, they implicitly endorse their attitudes. When they stop doing that, then my opinion will change.
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Couldn't agree more.
Rainbirdie...134...I do not believe he deserves this public shaming 10 years later...
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I would agree with you, Rainbirdie, if he were still a teenager. He's now an adult, however, who chose to make make a living by publicly demeaning people he deems unworthy, all while choosing each day to keep his dirty little secret and remain the hypocrite we all now know him to be. I am sick for each of his victims, who are now going to be re-victimized all over again...but I have no sympathy for Josh or his parents.
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You hit the nail on the head fadetoblack.
If he were a private person who had a problem as a teenager and he, his parents, the victims and authorities were all dealing with it privately, fine.
But just like the Gosselins are a product, this family is a product, and they have sold us a product for ten years. They even then went to D.C. and got involved with politics and continued to sell a certain image and used that image to acquire votes for various people and manipulate things inside the beltway. When the product is defective the public has a right to discuss it. Especially when you say in your statement you STILL want to keep selling yourselves to us on TV, and especially when the five victims never got justice.
Not only is Kate lying low, the fans don't have much to say, either. I imagine they are having problems figuring out how to spin this since TLC and Kate are bosom buddies!
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For once I agree with how Kate's handling this. There is really nothing she could say about it, even if she condemn them, nor does anyone really care what she thinks. It's best to just let it run its course and stay out of it, you have no business getting involved and are in over your head if you do.
In this case, shut up shut up shut up is wise. Maybe Jeff is a good advisor to her.
Not now, but the Duggars at first were regarded as a good, kind-hearted Christian family and look what happened.
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That sort of goes to the point. People don't hate for no reason. If there is no reason to go after you they won't.
But give them a good reason and people will turn on you. It just has nothing to do with religion, IMO. Most people really don't care enough to try to bring down a Duggar. But if the family does so on their own, that's their fault, not the public's. That article basically blamed the public for only caring about this story because they wanted to bring down a Christian family. It was so off base.
Remember all the rumors and such about Michelle's blanket training thing with the babies?
I forgot if Michelle ever addressed it but I'm much more inclined to believe those rumors now. It's such an awful thing to do to babies. Maybe Josh's behavior is a manifestation of how he was treated as a young child, as others have speculated.
Sometimes, "anonymous this time" is who they say they are. Wouldn't you know it.
blanket training? rings a bell but no details. What exactly was that
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For anyone (like me) who doesn't know what blanket training is:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanket_training
This seems to be steamrolling. The deep dive happening now regarding the Duggars is leaving TLC no choice but to cancel. A national conversation has opened up. I hope those companies who currently advertise on TLC are backing away in droves.
copied this great comment from the People article comment section
If my mother shields me from the legal and social consequences of my actions ("mistakes" as you call them), I'm perfectly willing to let people judge her for that. If she then goes on to publicly villainize others for actions not nearly as serious or harmful as mine, I expect them to judge her even more harshly. If I criminally victimized someone 10 years ago, skirted around the law, and told my victims and the world that it's OK because I fixed it in my own mind, yes, I'm open for judgment. If I tell others to live their life according to my standards, yes, by all means judge me by evidence of my own actions in similar situations. Any other questions?
Connie said... 138
There are articles telling that Jim Bob teaches about purity and how important it is to stay pure. He compares not being pure to parents buying a bicycle for Christmas and hiding it in a shed. A neighborhood boy sneaking and stealing it. Riding it and tearing it up. Then putting it back in the shed. Then the parents taking the child to the shed on Christmas morning only to find the bike destroyed. The child will accept the bike destroyed and use it but it will be nothing like it was before it was demolished by the boy.
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what. the. actual. f$%^*
What if the BOY is the demolished bike? What if the boy surfs the internet for porn, touches his pure sisters, lifts up their dresses etc... Is HE not MORE demolished than the girl?
According the the NE, this is why Kate is lying low....probably not true but I wouldn't put anything past her trying to screw Jon (not physically lol)
http://www.nationalenquirer.com/celebrity/custody-ploy-heart-kate-gosselins-wedding-plans
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanket_training
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Geez, why not just put an electric collar on them, you wouldn't have to waste your time hovering over the INFANT to dole out the abuse-you could get back to making more babies.
And why does this preoccupation with purity seem to fall squarely on the females of this cult? what about those stupid Purity Balls where the girls' dads are their dates?
They use the ancient interpretations of the bible that were written by MEN
thousands of years ago. NO society can evolve and thrive if you oppress the women. The Duggars weatlh came from the show, plain and simple. One of the blogs said they'd still be in that 2 bdrm house today if TLC hadn't happened.
And of course let's call it "Blanket Training"
sounds so benign and non threatening.
Why not call it what it really is?
fade2black- just wanted to "up vote" your response to rainbirdie. Josh Duggar is not a child, he is an adult who has become a public figure advocating for discrimination against others, based on his own beliefs. His abuse of his siblings is something that he was not held accountable, in any real and just way.The victims here are the girls, many who are now young women who are now facing this public discussion of their abuse. These girls deserve support and counseling that they probably never received except a talk from their parents about God and forgiving their offender. My sympathies lie completely with the victims here.
Exactly who forgave Josh Duggar for sexually abusing his sisters and his other victim? God? Mom and Dad?
Those children could possibly understand forgiveness in so far as they could forgive someone for borrowing their sweater without permission, or accidentally breaking a toy that belonged to them, but sexual abuse? Sexual assault? They wouldn't even have the capacity to understand the life-long ramifications of what was done to them.
The family could put it out of their minds with the frenzy of filming and all manner of promotion that was orchestrated by TLC. They wouldn't have had the time to heal. They didn't get proper help. Just sweep it under the rug and stay busy. Heck, let's do the Oprah Show!
I believe they would have been told that if they couldn't forgive it was because they didn't pray hard enough. I'm sure the blame would have been laid squarely at their feet. I can guarantee that they were voluntold by their father that they would be forgiving their molester or they wouldn't be found favourable in God's eyes.
If TLC tries to continue to film in some fashion, it will just illustrate how damaged these girls are. And how disgusting their parents are. Who in their right mind would want their life on display after their sexual assault became fodder for the media? Talk about exploitation! I wouldn't worry about being shunned. I'd be the one doing the shunning.
Wowser, that NE article came out a few days ago, but the Josh Duggar stuff has eclipsed it. Frankly, I find it credible given she originally denied a relationship with Jeff Millionaire in January. She is a user and a liar. I would not be surprised if Jeff is enjoying the tryst too since his business dealings and personal background is questionable. A match made in heaven, perhaps. As far as his ex-wife Michelle Jones telling Radar she is fine with his seeing Kate, that most likely was insurance that those alimony checks keep coming. Her statement is contrary what she legally swore to about his temper and not seeing his kids.
Sleepless In Seattle said... 140
Without minimizing what Josh Duggar did, I do not believe he deserves this public shaming 10 years later. He was a teenager with serious issues & he deserved help & counseling at that time. Public shaming in the media not only doesn't help him but it puts his sisters into an unfair position of being victimized a second time.
The Duggar parents have a lot to answer for - the responsibility for all of this falls squarely on their shoulders.
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Except that you can't call out the Duggar parents, their hypocrisy, their cover up and failure to protect their children without publicly talking about the seriousness of what Josh did. If that's public shaming in the media, then that's what it is. It would be very difficult to separate the two.
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Josh has skated by so far. He hasn't done the work that's required to help himself and his victims.
It sounds to me like he pulled a Jimmy Swaggart and put this all behind him. He couldn't even bring himself to talk about his victims in his statement, but he did talk about how his life is soooo saved now.
He's moved on and been reaped rewards beyond imagination with fame and opportunities.
He's waggled his finger, judging others for doing exactly what he's done.
Sorry, I have no pity. I do however have empathy. He's human and this has to be overwhelming on every level.
He has no one to blame by himself. If he were truly repentant, he would have lived his life honestly. But, he and his parents knew damn well that the gravy train would have not continued.
The reason he's in this position today is simple, pure, evil greed.
http://duggarswithoutpity.blogspot.com/2009/01/insights-from-insider.html
Josh and Anna' filmed wedding as seen through the eyes of Anna's brother-in-law.
"Just for the record: the whole Jim Bob/Josh sex talk on the day of the wedding was staged. Shawn and the camera crew told Jim Bob to get Josh and "have the talk." They said they "needed" to get it for the show. Yet more evidence of how the producer(s) are skewing this to focus it more on sex. They filmed non-stop from Thursday night (wedding rehearsal) until Friday night at the hotel. It was literally non-stop with two different crews all over the grounds of the church. They could have made it more realistic, but they chose to use the staged questions and elements that they wanted to make the show say what they wanted. But, I digress... "
http://theochlophobist.blogspot.com/2015/05/arkansans-oh-my-poor-people.html
"If we are to point fingers, I would start with those who profited by upholding his family to the public as exemplary and worthy of attention. I would then turn to Josh Duggar's parents, who agreed to that public life, to that money, and who embraced a perverse religion, a contemptible patriarchy, and lord only knows how many lies and cover-ups."
"The “pitch” of Biblical patriarchy, as epitomized by Michelle Duggar, is that women will be coddled and worshipped in exchange for giving up their ambitions and the autonomy to practice an extreme form of female submission. The unpleasant truth is that a culture that teaches that women are put on Earth for no other purpose but to serve men is not going to breed respect for women. Instead, these incidents show a world where men believe they can do whatever they want to women without repercussions. Is it any surprise that a subculture that promises absolute control over women will attract men who want to dominate and hurt women? Don’t believe the TLC hype. Biblical patriarchy is a sour, dangerous world for women, and luckily, that reality is finally being outed."
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/16/sex-scandal-rocks-the-duggars-christian-patriarchy-movement.html
Jon may be suing for custody of one of the twins. Maybe just maybe he has been patient all along, waiting for the right time....
http://www.classicalite.com/articles/22643/20150524/kate-gosselin-child-custody-battle-jon-suing-twin-abuse-claims.htm
Wow, so many Duggar comments. Kate has managed to slip into the background from the news about Jon and custody- she must be pleased.I'm sure she doesn't care one bit about the molested girls or the whole scandal. Didn't she promise a new blog soon?
Allison Arngrim, a Sexuau Abuse Survivor, is weiging in on the Duggars
https://twitter.com/Arngrim
That article basically blamed the public for only caring about this story because they wanted to bring down a Christian family. It was so off base.
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It's as off base as when people say "Oh, your just jealous".
I don't dislike Kate because she's wealthy and lives the 1% life. I dislike her hypocrisy, from the "I do it all alone" to the fake Christianity that he used to manipulate people, to her writing a book about love, family and faith when she's failed in every single one.
Not just failed, but plundered under without remorse or regret.
And I wouldn't care if it were just her, but it's her children that she's stolen so much from.
I don't want to look like Kate, have her home go on DWTS, meet other "starts", or get freebies.
I'm very happy with what I have.
So now we know TLC is just fine with filming victims of child abuse. They are only compelled to stop filming when said abuse is exposed AND gathers traction. Kate's abuse of the children she gave birth to WITH THE INTENT OF EXPLOITING THEM has been reported widely. One of these stories has to stick someday...maybe when one of kids gets arrested, overdoses, or worse.
TLC stinks 167 and 168: EXACTLY!!!
what. the. actual. f$%^*
What if the BOY is the demolished bike? What if the boy surfs the internet for porn, touches his pure sisters, lifts up their dresses etc... Is HE not MORE demolished than the girl?
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Oh, and if you're a girl that's been kissing boys or more or whatever, each time you do that it's like they spit in you and when you marry your husband (who are we kidding, you're filthy, damaged goods), he's basically getting a cup full of spit.
Vanessa said... 159
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanket_training
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Geez, why not just put an electric collar on them, you wouldn't have to waste your time hovering over the INFANT to dole out the abuse-you could get back to making more babies.
May 25, 2015 at 4:48 AM
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I wouldn't put a shock collar on my dog, or beat them into submission. I can't imagine anyone thinking this is how they should treat a baby!
Just the term, "training", irks the hell out of me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cujFUeJ1fvI
Documentary about "Purity Balls". The fathers are so creepy.
Basically, daughters are reduced to their intact virginity, and boys are brought up as "warriors".
It's sick.
As a woman, I can't imagine watching my husband have my daughter promise herself to him.
If TLC tries to continue to film in some fashion, it will just illustrate how damaged these girls are. And how disgusting their parents are. Who in their right mind would want their life on display after their sexual assault became fodder for the media? Talk about exploitation! I wouldn't worry about being shunned. I'd be the one doing the shunning.
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In all these years with all those crew members during all those hours of living with them, filming, eating, traveling, basically living, no child ever, ever, ever let it slip or confided in ONE of them?
Seems unlikely.
lj (73),
I am also curious about what information will become public about the upcoming Gosselin hearing. Will the hearing be open to the public? Will the public hear about what the children have to say, as far as how they are treated by their mother? Will we find out what Hannah has to say? What did her mother do that made her want to go live with her dad?
This situation has the potential to blow up, which is why Kate is lying low. She can't say anything about the Duggars because she might be exposed herself as an abuser. The kids will be interviewed, and if she tries to tell them what to say (or not to say), that might come out, too. Kate needs to just lie low and hope this blows over quietly. But the Duggar situation shows that even if something is covered up at the time it happens, it can explode at some point in the future. TLC has to know that potential exists with Kate.
And of course the girls 'FORGAVE' him! What other option did they have?
Come on, get real!
Girls/women are not thought of as PEOPLE in that sect (cult). They are chattle, property, NARCISSISTIC FEEDERS to their oppressors. Their purpose is to submit and be available to their men as need be. Who knows what lessons, teachings and messages they start pumping into the boys the minute they start THEIR homeschooling/bible interpretations? Scratch that, we DO know what they are teaching their boys. They have carte blanche. And pretty much everything is permitted because once you ask GOD for forgivness, it's a clean slate. The girls are only permitted TO forgive. Obviously they cannot ask for forgiveness since their relative was shunned/excommunicated for being an undwed mother.
I wonder how much Jim Bob is behind this. Now an Arkansas state senator is calling for the firing of the Springdale AR police chief for releasing the police report, which under the FOIA she had a legal obligation to do.
http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2015/05/24/bart-hester-covering-madly-for-ally-the-duggars
For months now, the tabloids have suggested that Kate is guilty of child abuse and/or abandonment with no evidence to support their claims. This sort of trend was upheld this week thanks to The Stir.
According to the entertainment website, Kate Gosselin left her children for days and refused to even give them her phone number:
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Ok, I'm lost
No evidence to support the claims, but then they quote The Stir saying she left them for 4 days without a way to communicate with them? Is it because it's a tabloid reporting?
No proof?? What about reporting that she put a copyright put on her journals? Robert? Nannies? What about all the "Alices" out there? What about JON and THE KIDS??
STFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cujFUeJ1fvI
Documentary about "Purity Balls". The fathers are so creepy.
Basically, daughters are reduced to their intact virginity, and boys are brought up as "warriors".
It's sick.
As a woman, I can't imagine watching my husband have my daughter promise herself to him.
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How do these girls "flip the switch"? How do they go from no "impure" thoughts, deeds, desires, to being a wife with a healthy sex life? How can they not feel shame for sex even though they are married? Not that I would encourage underage sex but I do think that teens experiment and that's part of being a teenager and growing up.
Even the police spokesman said that the record that was "destroyed"
last week, is typically kept indefinely. There is "stuff" happening behind the scene. Truth and justice are collateral damage for personal/corporate/political reasons.
bm
TLC films the ongoing abuse of the gosselin kids to this day! Kids who are emotionally abused, lied to, yelled at, shamed, blamed, frightened into saying yes mommy no matter what they feel is right. TLC films this! They show the abuse, the cruelty, the kids' crestfallen and hopeless faces. They are resigned because they have no choice. It's obvious that their mother is mentally not right yet there's tlc with cameras shoved in their faces. It is unbearable to watch. It's so sad.
Just wanted to take a minute to remember the military men and
women, past and present, whose efforts and sacrifices have
given us our freedom. I am grateful and humbled by their
service.
The duggars have ALWAYS been creepy regarding sex. For such pure people, they sure talk about it an awful lot. Seriously, who tells their kids how to please a woman? They go to
much effort to try to keep their teenage daughters from kissing a boy (normal behavior) yet let it slide that they've already been felt up by their brother (abnormal). Ugh. Go away freaks. Your time is up.
http://www.classicalite.com/articles/22643/20150524/kate-gosselin-child-custody-battle-jon-suing-twin-abuse-claims.htm
The headline is wrong. Hannah is not a twin.
I just hope TLC learns a lesson with this fiasco that Gosselin is just the same bad news as the Duggars. BTW, I wonder how much of Kate's conservative Christian upbringing has affected her child rearing? To me, as stated in her very own journal, it has affected her. Couple that with mental illness (with just plain evil) and you've got a monster. Are you listening, TLC? A monster.
Karen Kaufman said... 169
Jon may be suing for custody of one of the twins. Maybe just maybe he has been patient all along, waiting for the right time....
http://www.classicalite.com/articles/22643/20150524/kate-gosselin-child-custody-battle-jon-suing-twin-abuse-claims.htm
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The article is about the custody of Hannah & refers to her as a "twin" several times.
I don't know if this has already been posted. It is awful, knowing what we know now. The laughing he did here is evilly smug! Like, you don't know what I know. Jacka**.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/josh-duggar-makes-joke-about-dating-siblings-in-old-19-kids-clip-2015255
TLC stinks 188, ah yes, you're right. Damn. Was hoping Cara was breaking free too. Someday. It's coming.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 15m15 minutes ago
XO❤️ We❤️U2! RT @selenagomez: Watching Jon and Kate Plus 8. Reminds me of Vermont sitting on a couch for 6 hours.
Has Kate been searching twitter for any mention of her or her show made by a celebrity? The Selena Gomez tweet that she retweeted was actually made by Selena in May 2009, when she was 16 years old.
Selena Gomez @selenagomez · 25 May 2009
Watching Jon and Kate Plus 8. Reminds me of Vermont sitting on a couch for 6 hours.
Jon may be suing for custody of one of the twins. Maybe just maybe he has been patient all along, waiting for the right time....
http://www.classicalite.com/articles/22643/20150524/kate-gosselin-child-custody-battle-jon-suing-twin-abuse-claims.htm
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The article is about the custody of Hannah & refers to her as a "twin" several times.
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They didn't do their research. They just have the kids mixed up.
I hope we see the same media frenzy when KG's abuse is exposed in June. Her incessant abuse since infancy of her own children is no less criminal than what JD has done,
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"Sleepless, either way, Josh should have been removed from the household, and should have also been given proper counseling/therapy, and probably the rest of the family should have had counseling as well. I don't really care who tracked down this police report, or if someone tipped someone in the media off. I don't see how that really matters." (Millicent, 146).
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I agree. I wasn't clear in my post (144). I was responding to the comment that if he had been removed when it was discovered he abused the first victim, then the others would have been saved. My point was that if he were abusing all of them at the same time within the same time period, then the only one who would have been saved was the last victim IF that abuse occurred a year later.
There is no doubt in my mind that when the abuse of the victim or victims first became known that he should have been yanked out of there immediately and under no circumstances (God's forgiveness, confession in front of the church, or whatever) should he have been allowed to remain there until professional therapists, treatment programs or whatever or whomever had been contacted gave the okay to return. Even then, as a parent, I would be vigilant and perhaps have doubts whether he ever could live in that house again.
Looks like TLC figured out what to do. Drop Josh and continue on with the show. After all, the girls, weddings and babies seem to be the big draw now. Oh and General Mills already pulled their advertising dollars from the show? Way to go General Mills!
http://www.etonline.com/news/165072_josh_duggar_may_be_dropped_from_19_kids_and_counting_cancels_speaking_event/
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 58m58 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 And a solemn reminder that we should never misuse our #Freedom 2hurt others or speak unkindly! Be free 2honor one another! :)
So Gladys is being kind when she throws Jon under the bus in so many tweets, or when she calls Robert names and a liar? If that's kindness, I'd hate to see her if she gets nasty!
Tucker's Mom said... 165
He's waggled his finger, judging others for doing exactly what he's done.
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I think it's worse than that. He's accused others of doing exactly what he's done with no evidence that they've done so, or even statistical evidence that they, as a group, are more likely to do so than members of "his" group.
Admin said: Remember all the rumors and such about Michelle's blanket training thing with the babies?
YES! When the newest babe was being watched by one of the girls (Michelle and JimB were going "out on a date"), M told the girl that " (x) was up to fifteen minutes on the blanket, don't forget" and the girl nodded her head and said ok.
That technique was not only very much in use recently in that household, but the girls now having babies are very well versed in how to use it themselves.
I. can't. even.
On Friday when TLC pulled all episodes of the show, the network should have shown moral integrity by cancelling the show before it became evident they have to cancel the show and all arrangements with the entire family. But then again we're talking about TLC which is not known for moral integrity; more often than not, the freak channel.
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