"Effective immediately, TLC has pulled all episodes of 19 Kids and Counting currently from the air. We are deeply saddened and troubled by this heartbreaking situation, and our thoughts and prayers are with the family and victims at this difficult time."Meanwhile, Gawker has compiled a comprehensive timeline of events, the best we've seen so far.
1351 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 1351 Newer› Newest»I think it's possible that this wedding between Kate and Jeff is the business deal she said they were working on. It's just a business deal, not a real marriage.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/jessa-duggar-father-in-law-talks-molestation-scandal/
Jessa's FIL screeded all over his blog, defending Josh (who sexually assaulted his DIL).
Yes, I'm so happy that the reason the Duggars are hopefully kicked to the curb by TLC is because 5 innocent girls were molested.
Yup, makes me giddy.
This asshat offers him empathy to the victims and suggested, of course, that they lean on Jesus to assuage the guilt...
You can't make this sh*t up!
I think I read some inbred Arkansas politicians want the person who released the documents requested under the FOIA to be fired.
Sorry, Bubba, the toothpaste is out of the tube.
Jim Boob must have some serious pull in that state.
F*cking good ol' boys.
Blech.
I scrolled through the listing for TLC, and I see that there are lots of marathons to cover for the lack of 19 Kids (although they still have some episodes of 19 Kids scheduled in June). The listings go up to June 4. There are marathons of Say Yes to the Dress, The LIttle Couple,The WIllis Family, Curvy Brides, Return to Amish, My 600-Pound LIfe,Gypsy Sisters, etc, etc, etc. But…no Kate Plus 8. or Jon and Kate Plus 8. There are hundreds of episodes of those in TLC's archives, so why not use them? Unless the folks at TLC are distancing themselves from a future potential scandal. I have a feeling that Kate's 40th birthday may not air until after the custody hearing. If things get ugly as far as what is revealed about Kate, they may shelve it indefinitely. It will be very interesting to see what happens next month.
not sure if anyone posted this article or not
http://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniemcneal/a-homeschooling-program-promoted-by-the-duggars-has-troublin?bffb&utm_term=4ldqpgp#.bnWZpNMAm5
CS: The Bates did have a very short run on TLC. TLC called it: United Bates of America, TLC was trying to make the show into Duggars 2, but the Bates are not like the Duggars. The Duggars taking everything to the extreme, especially religion.
The current Bates show is called: Bring Up Bates and it is on a channel called UP, which is owned by the gospel channel. They are not contected to the TLC/Discovery network of channels of what I read.
http://www.etonline.com/news/165072_josh_duggar_may_be_dropped_from_19_kids_and_counting_cancels_speaking_event/
Speculation.
Kate is a twit said... 191
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 15m15 minutes ago
XO❤️ We❤️U2! RT @selenagomez: Watching Jon and Kate Plus 8. Reminds me of Vermont sitting on a couch for 6 hours.
Has Kate been searching twitter for any mention of her or her show made by a celebrity? The Selena Gomez tweet that she retweeted was actually made by Selena in May 2009, when she was 16 years old.
Selena Gomez @selenagomez · 25 May 2009
Watching Jon and Kate Plus 8. Reminds me of Vermont sitting on a couch for 6 hours.
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Wow, pathetic.
I didn't know if that comment was good or bad!
I hope we see the same media frenzy when KG's abuse is exposed in June. Her incessant abuse since infancy of her own children is no less criminal than what JD has done,
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If the court custody records are sealed, how will we see that or be aware if any abuse has occurred? As much as what Kate did was deplorable (as confirmed in her own journals), under PA law, it was not criminal, unlike Josh's offenses that most definitely was sexual abuse of a minor.
This whole thing has brought my old nightmares back. I keep trying to read and understand but memories pop in and out so I am very disoriented right now. I think I asked about what the hey blanket training was, I thought it was swaddling a baby for comfort, because that's what comforted my dd. Well, I was wrong, thank you to whoever answered, my eyes glazed over when I read the definition. It reminds me of a horrid video I shall not post the link to on Youtube about how Isis trains female babies not to cry. Coat hanger and switch...you can look it up if you want, I cannot re-live that. I need a hug from my gorgeous college student dd and a very warm soothing bath. urghhh. this whole story is revolting, but necessary to shed light on what is already happening her, sharia North American style
franky
Could be she is fishing for Selena Gomez concert tickets; but to go back six years to pull up Selena's tweet....good God, say that isn't so.
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Layla (#3), yes, it seems significant that TLC isn't choosing
to run any J&K/K+8 marathons or even episodes. But, my
heavens, Gladys was convinced TFW is the "face" of TLC --
it sure doesn't look that way with this information.
OT, Layla -- I do hope your son is doing well. Warm thoughts
to all of you today.
Statistically speaking, I'd say that one has a far less chance of being ogled by a transgender or gay person in a public bathroom than they have of being molested by a sibling. Josh.
And if I had to take my chances, I'd take the ogling. Josh.
This is a bit tangential to the shock-du-jour, but....
Why is TLC (or any network) allowed to put little kids to work? If their parents are too greedy to know what's best for their children (like not putting them to work, sacrificing their privacy and entire childhoods for the almighty dollar), why are they allowed to employ them at all?? I thought our country did better for our children than allowing them to be sold to a network for 'entertainment' and sponsor dollars.
This kills me to say it, but I will no longer watch TLC at all --- No more "Say Yes to the Dress" or anything else that seems innocuous. They have proven themselves to aid and abet child abusers by this point. The Little Couple, Jen and Bill, are so far above the scum at TLC that I have no idea why they are still involved, but I won't be watching anymore.
TLC is a poison that the FCC should be investigating.
I hope we see the same media frenzy when KG's abuse is exposed in June. Her incessant abuse since infancy of her own children is no less criminal than what JD has done,
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If the court custody records are sealed, how will we see that or be aware if any abuse has occurred? As much as what Kate did was deplorable (as confirmed in her own journals), under PA law, it was not criminal, unlike Josh's offenses that most definitely was sexual abuse of a minor.
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True. Unless something other than violation of custody orders comes out in the near future, I really don't think we're going to see anything that would be criminal (abuse) in the Jon and Kate saga. Unfortunately, in PA "spanking" by parents is not considered criminal, and unless Hannah or one of the kids shows that she was beaten to the point of having visible bruises and scars or broken bones, then there won't be any major revelation that would point to Kate physically abusing those children.
The media, of course, could be in a frenzy about Kate doing this or that, violating the terms of the custody agreement, but as far as it being "criminal" if there were abuse charges, I just don't see it happening.
TLC is a poison that the FCC should be investigating. 13
Kk I wholeheartedly agree.
scgal said... 1
I think it's possible that this wedding between Kate and Jeff is the business deal she said they were working on. It's just a business deal, not a real marriage.
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I suspect that too except what would Jeff Millionaire get out of a deal like that? Maybe money? Publicity? I'm sure he's already getting the sex. Considering this guy's shady business dealings, I would think he would not want the tabloids going after him. He appears to have puffed up his resume so I don't think he's as rich as the tabloids assume. I think he and Kate deserve each other although I do want Jon to win Hannah's custody. I don't put anything past her. I wonder what she and pumpkinbottom were referring to in the tweet about when pigs fly? Like Jon winning custody? She's got something up her sleeve.
I do agree TLC is taking a wait and see on Kate. They don't want another PR scandal so soon after the Duggars.
Why is TLC (or any network) allowed to put little kids to work?
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Because the laws of many states allow it in the entertainment industry, and even here in PA, kids are permitted to work on farms. Although some have put new guidelines/laws in place which limit the number of hours a child may be "employed," TLC isn't violating any labor ordinances. It's all about the almighty dollar for them and their parents. If they can get away with it and aren't violating any Department of Labor rules, then they will. Plain and simple, unfortunately.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniemcneal/duggars-mistakes-abuse-survivors
Wow, pathetic.
I didn't know if that comment was good or bad!
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LOL, Tucker's Mom! I was thinking the same thing. I didn't know if she meant watching the Kate Show was boring, and she was comparing that to sitting on a couch doing nothing but twiddling her thumbs for six hours!
Excerpt from excellent article:
And "if" the abused is somehow "not at fault," according to the ATI curriculum? The victim is asked to choose between victimization, or being made "mightier in spirit" by their own abuse. It's the most disgusting game of "Would You Rather" imaginable, and, according to Garrison, a window into the potential reasoning behind Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar's decision to keep their son's horrible secret.
"The consequence of this abuse is, to them, a positive — it leads them to be saved," Garrison said. "To them, the abuse is something that has eternal consequences of great benefit and glory to God. They're minimizing the harm and damage that's been done to those girls, and minimizing the guilt that comes from the crime that Josh committed, because of that spiritual benefit."
http://m.mic.com/articles/119098/inside-the-christian-cult-that-told-the-duggars-to-blame-their-daughters-for-their-abuse
"The consequence of this abuse is, to them, a positive — it leads them to be saved," Garrison said. "To them, the abuse is something that has eternal consequences of great benefit and glory to God. They're minimizing the harm and damage that's been done to those girls, and minimizing the guilt that comes from the crime that Josh committed, because of that spiritual benefit."
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And this explains Michelle's statement that they are now "closer to God."
I suspect that too except what would Jeff Millionaire get out of a deal like that? Maybe money? Publicity? I'm sure he's already getting the sex.
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I just don't see it. I don't think it's about sex. Kate has always seemed kind of asexual, a cold fish. Then again, who knows if she turns into a real animal behind closed doors! Pass the eye bleach, please!
"And if I had to take my chances, I'd take the ogling. Josh."
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I've never watched a Duggar show, but I have seen him in interviews and internet photos. My initial reaction was that the guy was creepy. Just looking at him gave me a weird feeling...hard to explain. He just kind of made my skin crawl. I guess sometimes our instincts can be right on target.
Here we go. Let's get the Duggars off the air.
https://www.change.org/petitions
I'm not a betting person, but if I were, I'd put my money on TLC not canceling the show but rather banning Josh.
I hope I lose the bet and they pull this whole thing permanently.
Sorry, that link doesn't take you to the Cancel the Duggars Petition. I'm looking for it. Anybody else have a link?
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Found one. Perhaps if everyone with twitter would tweet the link or if people would post it on Facebook. I'm surprised it's only for 100 people.
https://www.change.org/p/get-19-kids-and-counting-off-the-air-josh-duggar-has-admitted-to-molesting-5-girls-some-of-which-were-his-sisters-the-whole-family-covered-it-up-lets-stop-supporting-a-tv-show-that-supports-child-molesters
Sherry Baby said... 25
I'm not a betting person, but if I were, I'd put my money on TLC not canceling the show but rather banning Josh.
I hope I lose the bet and they pull this whole thing permanently.
May 25, 2015 at 1:57 PM
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I hope you lose too, and maybe it's wishful thinking on my part, but I think the whole show is going to get canceled.
I don't know how TLC can keep the patriarch and matriarch of the show.
Jim Boob and Michelle allowed Josh back into the home where he violated and sexually assaulted 4/5 of his sisters (at the time).
IMO, what those did failed to is worse than what Josh did.
The whole facade of their fundy Christian family is shattered.
If anything, maybe, perhaps, spin off shows can feature a couple of the young couples popping out kids, but even that's suspect.
Ben and Jessa? No one, but no one will watch without knowing Jessa own brother, Josh, sexually abused her.
I'd be screaming at my tv at Ben, "Dude, beat the shit outa Josh! At least once! C'mon!!"
I just don't see people having enough cognitive dissonance and suspension of disbelief to ever watch this show and not feel dirty and have gut pains.
Sherry Baby said... 23
"And if I had to take my chances, I'd take the ogling. Josh."
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I've never watched a Duggar show, but I have seen him in interviews and internet photos. My initial reaction was that the guy was creepy. Just looking at him gave me a weird feeling...hard to explain. He just kind of made my skin crawl. I guess sometimes our instincts can be right on target.
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You are most definitely not along, sister ;-)
My reaction ranges from a bad case of the "icks" to wanting to junk punch the pos.
I've lived in the same region (Northwest Arkansas) as the Duggars since before they were on TV. I almost immediately became aware of the family because of the shameless way the obviously (in my opinion) self-centered, narcissistic parents were exhibiting their children in public every chance they got. So far as I'm aware, neither parent has ever held a real job (I mean the kind of job most of us mere mortals have held, wherein one has to report to a supervisor, adhere to a schedule, follow rules, etc.). I've also heard that the family was always better off financially than they pretended, because Jim Bob's father made a lot of money & Jim Bob was the spoiled only son. A couple of days ago, I overheard a respected businessman with longstanding, deep ties to the area say that the father was a sleaze & so is Jim Bob. This man said what I've long thought, that it's shameful the way Jim Bob & Michelle have put their children on display just to make money. He also said that he thinks Josh will not be welcome back in this area.
Speaking of pedophiles, I've long been concerned that Kate Gosselin will claim that Jon is one & that's why she should have total control over their children. She wouldn't be the first parental alienator to try that route. If it's true that Jon has now filed for custody of one of the couple's daughters, this might be the time that Kate would resort to such a tactic -- especially now that she can see for herself what a negative public reaction there seems to be toward Josh Duggar.
Tucker's Mom (#29), why does your expression "junk punch"
crack me up? I'm a little less ambitious than you are. I'd settle
for ripping off one of his holier-than-thou lapel pins and poking
his sanctimonious doughy face with it.
I wonder if TLC will have an announcement tomorrow morning.
You can bet a lot of people have been working behind the
scenes this entire holiday weekend.
Wondering said...
Speaking of pedophiles, I've long been concerned that Kate Gosselin will claim that Jon is one & that's why she should have total control over their children. She wouldn't be the first parental alienator to try that route.
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That's crossed my mind a few times too, I'm not gonna lie. Heaven help those kids if that were to happen.
redbird said... 27
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We will monitor the situation. 2/2
@WAGSocialCare Thank you Walgreens! Long time customer at Walgreens! Must insist All Duggar Shows on @TLC Must Go! #JusticeForDuggarGirls
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Good for you, redbird! I think it's important for sponsors to know just how outraged viewers are and how terrible this crime was.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 32
Tucker's Mom (#29), why does your expression "junk punch"
crack me up? I'm a little less ambitious than you are. I'd settle
for ripping off one of his holier-than-thou lapel pins and poking
his sanctimonious doughy face with it.
I wonder if TLC will have an announcement tomorrow morning.
You can bet a lot of people have been working behind the
scenes this entire holiday weekend.
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TLC needs to speak up tomorrow and announce something. They've had a 3-day weekend to entrench in their war room and look at this from every single angle.
It will be weak and disingenuous if TLC doesn't make a declarative statement when business as usual resumes tomorrow.
If this didn't break loose right before a solemn, 3-day national holiday, 3 days would be an eternity for a company to not respond.
Frankly, "pulling" the episodes from airing is a place holder.
Kk said... 13
This kills me to say it, but I will no longer watch TLC at all --- No more "Say Yes to the Dress" or anything else that seems innocuous. They have proven themselves to aid and abet child abusers by this point.
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I quit watching TLC a long time ago. As far as I'm concerned the channel doesn't exist. Try it and I guarantee you won't miss it one iota. You will feel liberated.
And the bonus is your blood pressure returns to normal.
I quit watching TLC a long time ago. As far as I'm concerned the channel doesn't exist. Try it and I guarantee you won't miss it one iota. You will feel liberated.
And the bonus is your blood pressure returns to normal.
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I have no idea what channel TLC is on my cable line up.
Kate had better watch her flat ass if she chooses to make up shit about Jon bring an unfit parent. She has FAR more to lose and many more skeletons than him. Just try it, dumbass. Can't wait for the kraken to be released
Wondering and P.J., it has crossed my mind too. Fortunately the kids are old enough to speak out.
I believe TLC will air Duggars, focusing on the kids as they marry and pop out kids. Jim Bob and Michelle will play minor roles. Josh is toast.
If this is the case, TLC needs to be spanked by the public and the media. I just feel they've invested plenty in this family and I think as long as the ratings don't drop below a million, they will continue to air the shows (just like Kate), although I think they will phase the show out (just like Kate).
FlimsyFlamsy (11)
DS#1 is doing great! He has a job that he loves, and is going to college, walking well on his own, and feeling great. Meanwhile, one of his brothers is graduating HS, one graduating from college, and another getting married. Busy times here!
HA, I looked at the pics of Kate's flags in the driveway, and couldn't help but notice the lack of landscaping. Last year, on TLC's dime (I'm assuming, since they were filming) there was mulch around the trees and bushes, hostas planted, and everything looked so nice. This year…bare. She must have been livid that she had to pay to fill and heat her own pool this year. She couldn't find a way to make TLC pay for it.
I took a look at the TLC programming for the next few days. On my guide where it previously had back-to-back episodes of 19 Kids & Counting on Tuesday and Wednesday, it now says To Be Announced. On the other hand, what is Little and Looking for Love? Must have been some more of TLC's great programming that I missed.
Excellent article on Quiverfull. Well done by Gawker.
http://gawker.com/quiverfull-of-shit-a-guide-to-the-duggars-scary-brand-1706557073
"Struggling with infertility issues? Sorry about your “empty quiver,” but according to the Quiverfull faithful, God doesn’t believe in fertility treatments, and your barrenness is probably the result of your sinful heart. Only the woman is at fault for any problems reproducing. Men are, of course, blameless. Would giving birth be a dangerous health issue for you? They’ll encourage you to get pregnant anyway—because dying in childbirth is a virtuous death by which you can become a martyr."
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"From the moment a Duggar in possession of a vagina is born or married into the family, she falls under the control of Christian Patriarchy. The wife is forever under the authority of her husband, and a daughter is completely subservient to her father until the day he finds a suitable husband to take up the role. The women of Quiverfull are never supposed to disobey their male authority figure, ever, even if it’s something they find immoral. Because they think God would rather you kill a guy because your husband says so than to disobey the orders of a man."
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"One line of argument you might hear is that Josh Duggar didn’t know it was wrong to molest girls or that he didn’t know what he was doing. He comes from a culture in which women are forbidden from showing their shoulders in case it causes their brothers to stumble, where they aren’t allowed to dance or front hug their own siblings—so how would he not know it’s wrong to fondle their breasts and genitals?
Don’t let anyone tell you this. The Quiverfull fundamentalist Christians are obsessed with sex. It’s the ultimate sin: They’re always thinking about it, and they’re always categorizing what’s wrong and what’s right.
This isn’t a particularly arduous task because the list of what’s right is pretty short: Heterosexual, vaginal sex between a biological male and a biological female is the only permitted kind of sex, and it can occur only in the bonds of holy matrimony with the intent of procreation. That’s pretty much it.
And women are obligated to give it up to their husband whenever and wherever they want it. Michelle Duggar herself relegated this advice to her daughters Jessa and Jill, on Today.
“In your marriage there will be times you’re going to be very exhausted. Your hubby comes home after a hard day’s work, you get the baby to bed, and he is going to be looking forward to that time with you. Be available. Anyone can fix him lunch, but only one person can meet that physical need of love that he has, and you always need to be available when he calls.”
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"Before the Duggars, the most famous Quiverfull parents might have been Rusty and Andrea Yates. Rusty encouraged his wife to continue having more children, regardless of the fact that a doctor had strongly advised against it: Andrea was experiencing mental breakdowns, suicide attempts, and hospitalizations caused by postpartum psychosis during previous births. After her husband left her alone despite a doctor’s orders to never leave her unsupervised, Andrea Yates drowned all five of her children."
*As an aside, I read from someone who knows the Duggar family that the docs in the town are terrified of dealing with Michelle's pregnancies at this point because "her uterus is paper thin".
She must have been livid that she had to pay to fill and heat her own pool this year. She couldn't find a way to make TLC pay for it.
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There aren't too many here who fill their pools years after year. They aren't drained, just covered until the next season and then topped off. Heating it would have been an expense, and there's always the maintenance that goes with a pool opening. There's almost always something that needs to be done. I just grin and bear it, knowing that the pool destroyer elf made his rounds during the winter and there are repairs that have to be made.
Tucker's Mom (#29), why does your expression "junk punch"
crack me up? I'm a little less ambitious than you are. I'd settle
for ripping off one of his holier-than-thou lapel pins and poking
his sanctimonious doughy face with it.
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lol! Yes! You said what so many are thinking! In addition, we could go the route of Hester Prynne and sew a scarlet CMH (child molesting hypocrite) on his shirt, leaving no doubt as to what he actually is.
TLC stinks said... 40
I believe TLC will air Duggars, focusing on the kids as they marry and pop out kids. Jim Bob and Michelle will play minor roles. Josh is toast.
If this is the case, TLC needs to be spanked by the public and the media. I just feel they've invested plenty in this family and I think as long as the ratings don't drop below a million, they will continue to air the shows (just like Kate), although I think they will phase the show out (just like Kate).
May 25, 2015 at 4:04 PM
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I totally get your thinking, but the thing that chaps my ass is that we're even wondering if it will be canceled.
Will the world stop rotating on its axis if the Duggars, every damn one of them, goes away?
I mean, why are they such a big deal and how did this happen? How did the Duggars become so powerful?
They're not that special, yet the question of "will they or won't they" be canceled is such a huge f*cking deal.
I don't get it!
They've had a great run but did they really think the cameras for roll forever?
I have not earthly idea how these talentless, not very educated people will support themselves, but that's not my problem.
Only the woman is at fault for any problems reproducing. Men are, of course, blameless.
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How Henry VIII.
My gawd.
Graham James is facing new charges in Saskatchewan (Canada) related to sexual abuse that took place between 1990 and 1991.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/graham-james-convicted-sex-abuser-faces-new-charge-in-swift-current-court-1.3086938
He is currently in jail for other sexual assault charges and is due for release in summer 2015. He was a minor hockey coach who abused boys who played on his teams.
Now that's a statute of limitations.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 51m51 minutes ago
@CarleneMarie_1 @Kateplusmy8 LOL Hmm...let me figure this one out! You know Math is not my strong suite! HaHa.. I want my baby face back!
HaHa! Apparently neither is her spelling! Didn't she brag that she always checks the spelling and punctuation in her tweets?
I think Milo has hotel suites on her mind, preferably with Kate in them!
Layla (#41), sounds like a busy time, but a happy one, for your
family. Congratulations on all the good news!
Tucker's Mom (#35), I do think tomorrow we'll hear from TLC.
If they drag their feet one day longer, they'll be exposing
themselves as the mercenary fiends I already suspect they
are. What possible reason could they give for continuing to
air the show? Perhaps they'll spew some gobbledygook
about helping the family heal by giving them a forum --
ugh, I can't even finish that line of thinking.
Thanks for that article, TLC stinks.
"Before the Duggars, the most famous Quiverfull parents might have been Rusty and Andrea Yates. Rusty encouraged his wife to continue having more children, regardless of the fact that a doctor had strongly advised against it: Andrea was experiencing mental breakdowns, suicide attempts, and hospitalizations caused by postpartum psychosis during previous births. After her husband left her alone despite a doctor’s orders to never leave her unsupervised, Andrea Yates drowned all five of her children."
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Wow, I remember that case well, but I wasn't aware of the connection to the Quiverfull philosophy. That's eerie and shocking. Hard to believe there are so many nutcases out there. ( I'm not referring to Andrea Yates, either)
I keep hearing Michelle and her squeaky little voice on that robocall, concerned that cross-dressers would enter women's bathrooms and molest women and children when she had one in her house that she did nothing about. Talk about delusional. These people are Children Of The Corn creepy.
Perhaps they'll spew some gobbledygook
about helping the family heal by giving them a forum --
ugh, I can't even finish that line of thinking.
May 25, 2015 at 4:52 PM
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I hear you!
Giving the Duggars an opportunity to spin more lies will be met with outrage, I bet.
If I were leading TLC, I would make sure that no program, no person, no family could bring the company down to its knees.
I would be sure to not be beholden to any individual(s).
I would ensure that an exit plan existed for all talent.
If TLC is stuck between a rock and a hard place, their idiots.
They know damn well what the right answer is.
If TLC is stuck between a rock and a hard place, their idiots.
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ugh, "they're" idiots. I can't even blame that one on auto-correct!
There was a series of Quiverfull families on TLC years back- I remember
watching a few.Some relied on hand-outs to clothe and feed their kids but saw this generosity as God's gifts The mothers worked so hard while the fathers were treated like kings.One family had shunned a daughter who had a child out of wedlock with a man of another race!!.I think this was when the first Duggar special was on.
The Duggars (Jim Bob) will never agree to discuss what happened on the show. As far as they are concerned, all is forgiven.
What possible reason could they give for continuing to
air the show?
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The fans love them! TLC, bist du daymedich!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/stephaniemcneal/duggars-mistakes-abuse-survivors#.nb2X45zw4k
"It is estimated that between 40% and 60% of intrafamilial sexual abuse occurs between people from the same generation,” John Caffaro, a professor at the California School of Professional Psychology and the author of Sibling Abuse Trauma, told BuzzFeed News. “Estimates are that approximately half of all adolescent-perpetrated offenses involve a sibling.”
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Abuse survivors and experts told BuzzFeed News the Duggars’ description of the abuse as a “mistake” diminishes both the effect on victims and the seriousness of the crime.
“I wouldn’t say it’s a mistake, I would say it’s sexual abuse, something that is such a serious crime,” one survivor of sibling sexual assault, who wished to remain anonymous, told BuzzFeed News. “You say, oops I dropped my coffee, that’s a mistake.”
Professor Caffaro agreed, telling BuzzFeed News that the incidents described in the allegations against Josh Duggar are “clearly more than a ‘mistake.’”
“[The abuse] potentially signals the presence of individual psychopathology, developmental trauma, and significant family dysfunction,” he said.
It’s completely normal for children to have sexual curiosity, Caffaro said, but it is often hard for parents to tell when that curiosity crosses a line into abuse.
A few factors can indicate something darker is going on, according to Caffaro. For example, abusers are often much older than their victims and may engage in “coercion or manipulation” to get their way. This includes abuse that happens while the victim is unconscious, he said.
The family environment can also play a factor in sibling sexual abuse. Research suggests this type of abuse is more common in large families where there are blurred lines between who is a parent and who is a child, Caffaro said.
“Emotionally and/or physically absent parents may empower older siblings to assume parental roles,” he said.
Parents in these types of families are also more prone to dismissing the abuse, he said.
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Young sexual offenders are a diverse group and have widely differing motivations behind their acts of abuse. These can include sexual curiosity, an attempt to violate their siblings’ rights, and mental health issues.
However, in at least one study, youth sex offenders who violated their siblings were found to be at a higher risk for re-offending than those who violated a non-sibling.
I've been a guest on the veranda since almost the first day it went "live" back when the site was B&W. I've appreciated the balanced commentary and opinions on so many topics. I've appreciated the viewpoints expressed by the posters here but I've come to the realization that the atmosphere has changed. It feels like the chairs have been filled by a lynch mob.
I always felt that for the most part the posters did their due diligence and research before commenting and jumping to conclusions. This week the Duggar news has made me realize we're no different (especially disappointed in those who have historically been the most level headed of the bunch) than the nuts who run around promoting radical views with no facts. Emotions seem to be clouding rational thinking and I can barely read here lately let alone post.
Has anyone taken the time to actually read the police reports? Has anyone looked at a calendar? The inaccuracies from a few comments are being repeated as fact and it's concerning that the comments on this blog are sounding like a hate group. Touching or groping through clothes has morphed into painful vaginal penetration. TLC's involvement or not has become them shutting down a police interview and investigation. People who admittedly don't watch 19 Kids and Counting and who know nothing about what the Duggars actually believe are making moral judgements about them and all Christian's when it's obvious they have no idea what they're talking about. I'm troubled some will believe their comments to be fact. I feel badly for the Duggars for the unfounded accusations being made and I'm disgusted people who profess to be open-minded and accepting of diversity are judging them for their religious beliefs.
This story and it's reality is serious enough without the imaginations and accusations of some making it worse.
I sat on my hands long enough and I'm finally leaving for good. The breezy veranda has become an arena I want no part of. The culture in our nation is changing and IMO this blog is a microcosm of the climate in the US today. Enjoy your finger pointing and judgmental hate filled discussions but remember that if a climate like is here this week existed in your family or community you might be next to be judged and crucified.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 18m18 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Was it grilling time 2day? Or just how did U feed ur hungry crew there? Pool time always creates #MonsterHungerIssues w/kids
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I bet Gladys is a mouth breather. smh
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 8m8 minutes ago
@msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 No..not my bird...belongs 2someone else...but loved her smile & had 2take the pic! :) #TryingToBefriendZorro
Milo is STILL trying to get Kate's attention with her darn bird photo. Once she latches onto something, she will not give up! She said the bird belongs to someone else and she had to take the picture. Is there a way to tell if she grabbed the photo off the internet of if she took it like she claims?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
Well #MrRedWhitAndBlue...Imma still trying 2catch-up w/YOU! :) #ZorroMeetZooey http://t.co/Oht1H0d2lV @Kateplusmy8
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Hubs & I played 9holes of golf w/another couple this afternoon. My swing is not pretty..my distance is poor..but I'm straight like an arrow!
If she played nine holes of golf then she's certainly capable of hopping on a plane and going to meet Kate. Health issues are no excuse, and she's tweeted that she has her own money. What is stopping her?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 18m18 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Was it grilling time 2day? Or just how did U feed ur hungry crew there? Pool time always creates #MonsterHungerIssues w/kids
And she has the balls to call others "busybodies!" I've never seen anything like this! Sheeple psych is fascinating! Why in the world would she possibly be interested in knowing how Kate fed her crew?
Let's look at TLC's damage control in past scandals:
1) Jon & Kate's divorce. This was HUGE at the time, as we all recall. They handled it by taking Kate's side. They gave her that special, "All About Kate," AND gave her that infamous interview where she was just crying and listening to her ear piece the entire time. They went into complete damage control mode and did everything they could to make Kate look good.
2) Mama June and Honey Boo Boo. Cut ties, hands clean, buh-bye.
I realize these are two very different situations, and that the Duggar scandal has more in common with HBB, but if you think about it from a brand/PR perspective (as TLC no doubt is), this ranges in between. It involves a family with an overall happy family image (like Jon and Kate) but it involves sexual abuse like HBB.
Me thinks TLC will react to the Duggars in between as well. They, like Kate and Mama June, do not want to be taken off TV. TLC doesn't want to take them off TV. And the big difference between Kate and the Duggars versus HBB et al is that they have (or in Kate's case at the time of the divorce, HAD) A LOT of public support. That matters.
I just saw that Kate tweeted a picture of Zorro outside, untethered. She has to be an idiot when it comes to bird safety.
Two summers ago a friend of mine had a cute little Pionus, just a little bit bigger than Zorro. The bird was outside on a table, not far from where she was sitting. I had cautioned her about the danger of having a bird outside, even if its wings were clipped. In the blink of an eye, a hawk swooped down from out of nowhere and grabbed the bird. It was the end of poor little Pepper.
I just saw that Kate tweeted a picture of Zorro outside, untethered. She has to be an idiot when it comes to bird safety.
Two summers ago a friend of mine had a cute little Pionus, just a little bit bigger than Zorro. The bird was outside on a table, not far from where she was sitting. I had cautioned her about the danger of having a bird outside, even if its wings were clipped. In the blink of an eye, a hawk swooped down from out of nowhere and grabbed the bird. It was the end of poor little Pepper.
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Of course Kate's idiot fans think that this picture of Zorro is so cute and adorable. Bird brains, all of them.
Sleepless (#60), I think part of the reason Gladys asks so many
questions is that she's trying to control the narrative. If she
gets TFW to answer, she thinks that'll help TFW's cause. With
the custody hearing looming, Gladys wants her true love to talk
about hot dogs and hamburgers and watermelon and sparklers,
so the world will see her as the perfect all-American mom Gladys believes she is. Blech.
So sorry to hear about your friend's bird. It is truly miraculous
that Zorro has survived in that household. Come to think of it,
I can say the same about the 8 children.
It bothers me to log on to this blog and seeing his doughy face at the top of the page! Creeper beyond belief!
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Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 18m18 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Was it grilling time 2day? Or just how did U feed ur hungry crew there? Pool time always creates #MonsterHungerIssues w/kids
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I bet Gladys is a mouth breather. smh
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I bet when LOM flips that switch, he goes to his own room!
All This Is That said... 65
''It bothers me to log on to this blog and seeing his doughy face at the top of the page! Creeper beyond belief!''
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Jon? It bothers you to see the face of Jon with his children? I think you should be more respectful of poor dead Jon!!
OR you could just not log onto this blog...that is also an option.
(Leslie)
I don't believe the show is cancelled for good. I went to TLC's website and their show is still listed. Also there are tons of full episodes to watch there along with clips. If TLC was done with the Duggars their show would not be listed. And there would be no mention of the Duggars other than their recent statement.
This show is a huge money maker for TLC. They had three million viewers. And there is another marriage to happen soon with Josiah. And somebody from their family said they thought there would be another courtship soon but would not say who. And Jessa will be having her baby soon. They did a 2 hour episode for Jill's delivery. I suspect they will let the roar die down for a few months and then bring back new episodes without Josh.
And I fully believe TLC knew about this a long time ago and did not care. They don't give a crap about any of their families. All they care about are ratings and income. I think the only reason they dropped Honey Boo Boo was because June was presently caught with the molester and there were photos. And then it was also known this molester had also many years ago molester June's daughter. Plus I think the country had their full of these uncouth hicks. I mean they were disgusting in their behavior and how long was America going to continue to tune in for that crap. Every episode was the same behavior over and over from all the members of the family.
All This Is That said... 65
It bothers me to log on to this blog and seeing his doughy face at the top of the page! Creeper beyond belief!
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I've been thinking that since the post went up. I was going to ask Admin to take it down. He offends me like you wouldn't believe. Blech.
Can't you just hear Jimboob and Michelle explaining to the "littles" why the cameras are no longer in their faces? "Not everyone is filled with grace and forgiveness like we are"..
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2015/05/22/why-we-cant-expect-sex-abuse-victims-to-generate-instant-forgiveness/?tid=sm_tw
Remona 67 -- I think ATIT was referring to Chester Molester dUGHger, not Jon. Seeing his face there gives me the creeps, too.
This kills me to say it, but I will no longer watch TLC at all
LOL I wish I had such life threatening problems. ;)
The calls that Michelle made to the voters of her state remind me of the proverb, "The hunchback sees the hump of others -- never his own."
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This Is That said... 65
It bothers me to log on to this blog and seeing his doughy face at the top of the page! Creeper beyond belief!
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I've been thinking that since the post went up. I was going to ask Admin to take it down. He offends me like you wouldn't believe. Blech.
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OH...THAT bloated face! Just call me RemonaBlue being poor ole half deaf Emily Litella on Saturday Night Live as I say.....Never mind!
Remona said: "OR you could just not log onto this blog...that is also an option."
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In a recent comment, Flimsy said something about Josh's "sanctimonious doughy face," and I assume that All This Is That (65) was referring to that comment. Seeing his face there bothers me, too.
Your "option" comment was rather nasty, even if that wasn't your intention.
Sleepless In Seattle said... 60
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 8m8 minutes ago
@msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 No..not my bird...belongs 2someone else...but loved her smile & had 2take the pic! :) #TryingToBefriendZorro
Milo is STILL trying to get Kate's attention with her darn bird photo. Once she latches onto something, she will not give up! She said the bird belongs to someone else and she had to take the picture. Is there a way to tell if she grabbed the photo off the internet of if she took it like she claims?
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Yeah, she took it--right off the internet. Don't know exactly where she got it from, but there are a lot of people on twitter that tweeted the exact same picture.
http://tinyurl.com/kha4od6
If you google "cute parrot pictures", which Milo most likely did, that picture comes up under "images for cute parrot". So she took the picture off the internet, and then tries to imply that she actually "took" it with a camera.
She's learned to lie and imply from the very best, her queen Kate.
Yeah, she took it--right off the internet. Don't know exactly where she got it from, but there are a lot of people on twitter that tweeted the exact same picture.
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So Milo "took" the picture (stock photo), but implied in her tweet that she was one who photographed the bird. Kate has been teaching her the fine art of wording tweets without actually lying. Geez.
Milo's tweets about the bird. I could have sworn I saw a tweet where she said it belonged to a friend, but perhaps not.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack ·
@steelergirl1014 Hey there...long time no see! Nah...belongs 2someone else. Just thought it was so cute & wanted 2provide some fun 4Zorro!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 No..not my bird...belongs 2someone else...but loved her smile & had 2take the pic! :) #TryingToBefriendZorro
Remona Blue said... 67
Jon? It bothers you to see the face of Jon with his children? I think you should be more respectful of poor dead Jon!!
OR you could just not log onto this blog...that is also an option.
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Not Jon. Josh. The "doughy face" description referred to a comment made recently by another poster.
Not log on to the blog? I've been here for quite awhile. Why would I leave now? :-)
Still no response from Kate to Milo on the cute parrot picture that Milo didn't take. I wonder if she will try again tomorrow!
I wonder how much Jim Bob is behind this. Now an Arkansas state senator is calling for the firing of the Springdale AR police chief for releasing the police report, which under the FOIA she had a legal obligation to do.
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Who are these people and do they not understand calling for him to be fired just makes this situation even worse? I don't even care whether he was authorized to release it or not. He's a whistleblower who should be protected.
Not that it matters, but Josh is one of the more unfortunate looking Duggars, although most of them look pretty common.
Not Jon. Josh. The "doughy face" description referred to a comment made recently by another poster.
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He has always reminded me of a sinister Muppet.
I was wrong, and said so! in case anyone missed it, I will repeat what I said at 675:
''OH...THAT bloated face! Just call me RemonaBlue being poor ole half deaf Emily Litella on Saturday Night Live as I say.....Never mind!''
Sleepless (#60), I think part of the reason Gladys asks so many
questions is that she's trying to control the narrative. If she
gets TFW to answer, she thinks that'll help TFW's cause.
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Yes, that's exactly what she does. She tries to sort of guide and prod Kate in certain directions. She has taken on the role of sort of Kate's handler. Since she's too scared to offend her she doesn't usually directly tell her what to say or do, but she tries to drop big hints about it. For example, if a bogus tabloid story comes out (or not so bogus) she will prod her to issue a statement denying it and even give her hints what to say. For example, if a story came out Kate has green and purple poke dots on her face Gladys would say something like, "can you believe this silly tabloid! And as we know you have never even allowed polka dots in your home, right?"
It is very bizarre but I think the role makes her feel needed.
Cynthia Jeub @cynthiajeub · May 21
I will say that TLC's silence doesn't surprise me. I worked with producers and camera crews who looked the other way while filming my family
Cynthia Jueb broke away from her Quiverfull family (which TLC had filmed in 2007: "Kids By The Dozen") - They have 16 children now. Her mom's first pregnancy was at 14. She writes of her abusive childhood on her blog http://cynthiajeub.com/
Interesting article:
http://www.celebitchy.com/391963/young_adult_star_of_tlcs_kids_by_the_dozen_accuses_parents_of_physical_abuse/
That's crossed my mind a few times too, I'm not gonna lie. Heaven help those kids if that were to happen.
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She has already implied on a few occasions he is abusive and the children are not safe with him. Even just recently she was in "protection mode". Eye roll.
Anyway, that is a sign of an obsessed parental alienator. Some take the additional step of, when physical and emotional abuse allegations don't stick, accusing them of sexual abuse too.
Often, the sexual abuse allegations are what finally gets the parental alienator "caught" and custody removed. Forensic exams are done and in depth interviews between experts and the children and when it comes to light no sexual abuse happened that is often what breaks the case wide open and finally stops the obsessed parental alienator.
Cynthia Jeub @cynthiajeub · May 21
I will say that TLC's silence doesn't surprise me. I worked with producers and camera crews who looked the other way while filming my family
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Wow. Looked the other way from what I wonder.
That letter was not mistakenly left in a loaned book. That was a cry for help.
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I've said that is the part I never quite understood.
If an adult wanted to make an anonymous report they would MAIL the letter to the police, or the network, or CPS or even the media. Can't make heads or tails of that.
Admin--just google Cynthia Jeub. Her and her family appeared in a TLC show in 2006-2007 called "Kids by the Dozen". She has since accused her parents of both physical and emotional abuse.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/kids-by-the-dozen-star-cynthia-jeub-opens-up-about-alleged-child-abuse-44230
Thanks Kate is a Twit. So she was a TLC kid now speaking out as an adult?
Gee I don't expect that to ever happen again........#snark
Admin my comment and links abt Cynthia Jeub didn't go thru altho you quoted the Tweet I included from Cynthia.
I think TLC will ultimately continue the show, based on "it happened many years ago, it was reported to authorities, victims and perpetrator received 'counseling', victims have forgiven perpetrator, and the show is based on Christian values including forgiveness," so they'll "forgive" Josh.
The Mama June thing was happening in real time, so they had to cancel her immediately, but this was long ago. What they're going to want the public not to realize is that they knew about this all along. If they cancel the show now, it makes it look even worse for TLC because they knew and still had them on. If they keep the show on they can say they knew but the situation had been addressed and they had no concerns.
It's the same with the child abuse journal entries from Kate...they were in the past, so TLC ignored them, and clearly she's still on TLC.
My take on the letter in the book is this. It is only my interpretation.
Michelle, Jim Bob or an older Duggar promised to loan a book from the Duggar library. It got announced to the family that Mrs. Smith would be by later that day and whoever was around should give it to her. One of the kids took this opportunity to slip note into the book and even made sure to have the book with him/her until Mrs. Smith came.
I can't see that note just sitting there in a random book for who knows how long hoping it would one day be found. There was purpose and opportunity working together here, IMO. If Michelle or Jim Bob had handed a friend that book, it seems to me they would have removed all extraneous papers so as not to lose them or burden the friend with safeguarding them.
"Thanks to gaslighting and brainwashing, I didn't realize I was abused until years after it happens" a quote from Cynthia Jeub on her blog. She also adds that TLC essentially knew and covered up abuse. Kate better be ready. Those kids will grow up and realize the abuse they've endured.
Lee
Lee 97 Those kids will grow up and realize the abuse they've endured.
Well, if the tabloid article about Hannah (btw, isn't she Kate's favorite?) is true, the kids already know they're being abused. When they are adults, they may talk about it publicly, but that really isn't going to have any effect on Kate or Discovery/TLC.
Family based reality TV needs to stop, in my opinion.
still having trouble focusing to read posts, this is my mamie's history unfolding here..15 kids, after 12 she begged the catholic priest to stop, he reminded her of her duty. The last 3 were the first to die. male-child by suicide, then youngest, after she was raped by our uncle at 9, carbonmonxide poisoning, her sister 2 years older who watched and backed her up, vodka and pills, in a hotel,after she called me. yup,
yup
sexual abuse can be absorbed/absolved in a areal family
franky
I woke up in the middle of the night with a terrible thought about
the Duggar girls who were victimized. They were essentially
under the same roof with their molester 24/7. No school day
away from home. No sleepovers at friends' houses. No movie
night at the mall to provide some distraction. I can't imagine
the terror they must have experienced. Oh, and here come
some strangers with cameras and microphones who are
around for hours on end. How did the girls know that these
people wouldn't harm them, if their own brother did? They
were little girls who were unsafe in a place they were forced
to spend almost every waking moment.
If TLC continues to reward the parents of these victimized
girls -- even if their attacker is removed from the show --
I think the backlash will make them regret that decision.
admin and pool boys? I do believe this is almost a cesspool....maybe changing water would help...less salt more chloride, lol
franky
Who are these people and do they not understand calling for him to be fired just makes this situation even worse?
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Anything to save one of their brothers. These guys are used to just speaking and their wishes are granted. Hard to stop. Who knows? This guy may have done the same to his sibliings?
And I fully believe TLC knew about this a long time ago and did not care. They don't give a crap about any of their families. All they care about are ratings and income. I think the only reason they dropped Honey Boo Boo was because June was presently caught with the molester and there were photos.
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Yes they knew. Oprah's team would have made sure of it. But just like the person who blogged about baby talk not wanting to have any gay person on her crew, TLC obliged. I can see both the boob and baby talk having a very serious soft spoken discussion about pooor joshey (dough boy) and them all coming to a very calm resolution. Knowing they were talking with a couple of quack heads, TLC appeased them, accommodated them, nodding yes yes yes...much like this kids by the dozen girl...which I'm off to read right now
Bubbles said... 95
I think TLC will ultimately continue the show, based on "it happened many years ago, it was reported to authorities, victims and perpetrator received 'counseling', victims have forgiven perpetrator, and the show is based on Christian values including forgiveness," so they'll "forgive" Josh.
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Unfortunately, I can see that scenario happening. My argument would be that it's not so much the crime that should stop the show, it's the cover up. It's always the cover up.
The Duggars are hypocrites of the highest order and they've sold the public a bill of goods.
I believe that things like Michelle's robocalls and Josh's finger pointing at gays and their families (from a prime, coveted, unearned political bully pulpit, btw) is what's happening right now.
They are judgmental deceivers and all the while, they all KNEW that a child molester was in their midst, and they all hid it for the almighty dollar.
They've committed the great sin of greed and no one believes that if the fame and money and show all went away, that they'd fight to clear their names and have a dialogue about what happened.
They just wan't to invoke Jesus and lash out at us, like Ben's dad did, for also being sinners and prone to making human mistakes.
Every comment that I read that starts with "we're all sinners and make mistakes..." turns out to be a fundy defender.
Oprah was a victim of childhood sexual abuse. No wonder the booted and reported them
I feel badly for the Duggars for the unfounded accusations being made and I'm disgusted people who profess to be open-minded and accepting of diversity are judging them for their religious beliefs.
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The Duggars are being judged in the same way tfw has been judged here since the beginning. When you deceive the public (the public you've invited into your home) and dole out your own judgement to those viewers, this is how it is. Why is this discussion leaving a worse taste in your mouth? Religion? There has been link after link provided here backing up the speculations, it's not being pulled out of thin air.
This is a blog, not a courtroom. We've made all sorts of presumptions with tfw, Jon, kids etc etc...we're talking about incest here, INCEST. Innocent children have have had their bodies, minds and spirits assaulted without any justice. When you are TOLD (brainwashed) that you MUST forgive, you are being assaulted once again. I do believe the judging that is happening is warranted.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 87
Sleepless (#60), I think part of the reason Gladys asks so many
questions is that she's trying to control the narrative. If she
gets TFW to answer, she thinks that'll help TFW's cause.
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Yes, that's exactly what she does. She tries to sort of guide and prod Kate in certain directions. She has taken on the role of sort of Kate's handler. Since she's too scared to offend her she doesn't usually directly tell her what to say or do, but she tries to drop big hints about it.
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Milo seems to have the need to reduce her anxiety by attempting to control Kate's image, rectify Kate's blunders and shit sunshine all over in an attempt to just plain baffle.
I believe Kate's poor public image really affects Milo.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-sex-abuse-spanked-rod/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=JimBobSpankChildren
Here's what I believe: TLC is waiting on their cancellation decision to see what else could come out about the Duggars. The media smells a good, juicy story with these people and they will continue to look under every Duggar rock to see what's under there. TLC execs, as we know, have no moral compass and will try to wade this out if they can. However, with the exception of the Duggar kool-aid drinkers, I think the viewing public will have little taste for this clan anymore. JMHO.
Today the entertainment columnist for our local newspaper listed some of the freaky shows on TLC. No, K+8 wasn't mentioned, but he did refer to TLC as a pox on humanity, which I thought was appropriate given the circumstances.
bm
This week the Duggar news has made me realize we're no different (especially disappointed in those who have historically been the most level headed of the bunch) than the nuts who run around promoting radical views with no facts. Emotions seem to be clouding rational thinking and I can barely read here lately let alone post.
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When the backlash is THIS strong, when there is an OVERWHELMING amount of outrage, when victims are speaking on behalf of these victims, I don't think it's a bunch of nuts with radical views (your comparison) Maybe the majority in this instance has the correct view?
Localyocul said... 105
Oprah was a victim of childhood sexual abuse. No wonder the booted and reported them
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I wish they had gone to the media too. Or at least promised TLC that they would unless they cancelled any future filming.
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were little girls who were unsafe in a place they were forced
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That's what makes me queasy, too. I'm guessing that when those victims were coerced into "forgiving" Josh for molesting them, they were made to never bring it up again.
La, la, la, la...nothing to see here.
Vanessa said... 106
I feel badly for the Duggars for the unfounded accusations being made and I'm disgusted people who profess to be open-minded and accepting of diversity are judging them for their religious beliefs.
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Exactly, Vanessa. When people start to throw out false arguments, you know they've go nothing.
We live in a country where we are allowed freedom of religion. That freedom is not without limits, including and especially when your religious beliefs harm other.
I don't care if Fundy's want to wear LHOTP skirts and live a Christian life.
I care when girls are violated. I care when they try to takes away rights of others. I care when they commit crimes and aren't held accountable. I care when they are hypocrites. I care when they send their spawn to D.C. to influence politicians to take away and not allow rights of others based on sexual preference.
I could go on and on, but the bottom line is don't even go there. This isn't about religious beliefs.
It's about violating people's right, committing crimes and conspiring to cover it up and keep it a secret for fame and money.
Why aren't these Fundy's angry that the Duggars are representing them??
Oh, good grief. I just read about a "joke" Josh D made years ago about siblings dating one another, Jremiah from Breaking Amish just got arrested for disorderly conduct, Cynthia J came forward with abuse allegations against her parents, and Kate is going to court over custody after her daughter claimed her mother is cruel and forces her to film. TLC, this is a wake-up call. Everything is exploding in their faces. Did they really think they would televise a freak show and not expect this kind of behavior? What's next? Whomever the TLC exec was who said (just a few weeks ago) that TLC had shed its freak show image is delusional.
One of the jobs of a parent is to protect your children - ALL of then, even the girls. Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar failed to protect their children from a sexual predator, one who lived in their own home. For that, they deserve every bit of scorn they are receiving.
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I'm disgusted people who profess to be open-minded and accepting of diversity are judging them for their religious beliefs.
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They can believe that the cow jumped over the moon for all I care, but when minor children are victims of sexual assault and the parents make it all about the perpetrator and not the victims because females have no rights, you darn right I'll question their religious "beliefs". The same way I'll question the beliefs of suicide bombers and 70 virgins in heaven when you die for the cause.
People are trying to hijack this story and make it about Christian persecution. That's not the problem. The problem is a creep molested his sisters and it was covered up so that the family could continue to make money off the backs of their kids while PRETENDING and condemning the beliefs and rights of others.
FACT: Michelle Duggar made a robocall calling cross dressers molesters of women and children.
FACT: Josh Duggar lobbied against gay marriage and homosexuality as deviant while covering up his own deviant behaviour.
FACT: This family has promoted their belief system on tv for years and were given a platform. No one tried to stop them on religious grounds.
If this family were Jewish or Muslim would you have made the same comments?
If the comments about what was possibly done to his victims makes you uncomfortable, good. It is speculation, but we've seen how this whole issue has been trivialized by some. How do we know the report wasn't a big, fat lie too? How do we know it wasn't far, far worse than what is in the report? We should be concerned for the voiceless victims and not this family's brand or their freedoms.
bm(110)--is this the entertainment reporter that you're talking about?
http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/2015/05/25/josh-duggar-said-hes-sorry-but-is-tlc-menon.html
Oh! The Jeub family was one of the Quiverfull specials I watched. I sensed something was off in the family dynamics as I posted yesterday. Sorry to hear this but I think it may be true of many large families-not all- but the set up of patriarch and moms to manage with 16 kids is a risk factor IMO..Philosophy of children to be seen and not heard thoroughly ingrained.
I wish they had gone to the media too. Or at least promised TLC that they would unless they cancelled any future filming.
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Hindsight is 20/20, but it's been on my mind lately that people involved in the Penn State scandal went to the authorities when they heard about it too.
However that apparently was not enough, and people like JoePa were condemned for not doing more. I guess he was supposed to hold a press conference after it became clear the authorities were going to evaluate it out. Is that what is required in this day in age? Maybe so.
They can believe that the cow jumped over the moon for all I care, but when minor children are victims of sexual assault and the parents make it all about the perpetrator and not the victims because females have no rights, you darn right I'll question their religious "beliefs".
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Agree. I really don't care what you want to believe. However when those beliefs result in people getting hurt, including children, not only is it okay to judge it, but you SHOULD judge it. Who else is going to speak for the victims? Apparently not their parents.
Why does Jessa's father in law feel he has the right to speak for Jessa?
Jessa should speak for Jessa. So far none of the victims have spoken that I know of. Only the victims themselves can "forgive" Josh. If you're a third party to this, it's not YOU that needs to forgive him.
This family needs to spoke talking. In LA County DCFS would be all over this due to their comments. The safety of everyone's own children would be in question under "failure to protect" statutes. Here, you don't actually have to be an abused child for the court to get involved--your parents need only put you at RISK of abuse. I hope Arkansas is looking into it. We have several adults in the family coming forward essentially saying this was no big deal. If this is no big deal to them how can they be trusted to keep their kids safe?
Whatever their "talent" demands, TLC gives. No wonder Kate became so entitled. Just read her journal. Same with the Duggars. On top of this, turns a blind eye. It's all about having happy "talent" and bringing in those advertising dollars.
I did see the article in Radar this morning about the Duggar child that was interviewed in the police report. Corporal punishment without leaving a mark. Now that takes talent.
Reading here about blanket training really was upsetting to me. I had never heard of that. Kind of reminds me of Kate leaving those babies in their cribs for hours.
I agree that TLC is making a strategic decision to wait on the Duggar mess to blow over. Big mistake. As each day passes, more and more negative publicity comes out.
We do have freedom of religion in this country, but you cannot commit crimes and use religion to excuse the acts.
I soooooo totally agree that this is not about 'bashing conservatives'; though there is a giant load of hypocrisy at work there, it's a side-show to the main issue. The main issue that some refuse to believe is that the parents failed spectacularly to help ALL of their children. Josh was not treated in the proper manner to get help, and the girls were certainly not helped. These so-called parents leaving children to raise their children are reaping consequences I doubt they are dealing with to this day, which is a sad set-up as to how their grandchildren are most likely being raised.
Yes, I have compassion for Josh --- he was failed by his parents and his religion and the legal system. Imagine that burden!! But, yes, the girls were (and are) failed on every level possible, every day they are expected to just suck it up and 'forgive'. I believe in the power of forgiveness, but it doesn't mean anything when it is a rote command, and when he who is forgiven doesn't even appreciate the depths of the transgression.
This is just a sad, sad family and I truly pity the children who have JB and M as parents.
Looks like TLC lost another sponsor. Payless Shoes.
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@rmccarthyjames Our ads ran during this show as part of a larger buy w/ TLC. We are taking steps to have them removed from future episodes.
So TLC has had a generous three days to mull this over. I don't see how they can come to any other conclusion but axe it completely and move on.
If they are serious about trying to of forward with a different format I think they're going to shoot themselves in the foot. The outrage will be twofold and they could end up losing viewers of OTHER shows too out of protest.
I soooooo totally agree that this is not about 'bashing conservatives'; though there is a giant load of hypocrisy at work there, it's a side-show to the main issue
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Yes agree. Plus like I said before, I really don't think most people consider these folks representative of conservatives. I think most people are smarter than that. If someone wanted to bash conservatives, they would go after the heart of the matter. Not some bizarre fringe group.
Payless ShoeSource @PaylessInsider · 8m8 minutes ago
@rmccarthyjames Our ads ran during this show as part of a larger buy w/ TLC. We are taking steps to have them removed from future episodes.
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I'm not at all surprised ads were apparently bought in a "block." That's how it worked when I learned it. You don't necessarily get to choose the shows you advertise on, not for smaller networks like TLC. You just buy a package or a timeslot and they place you where they see fit. However if you have a problem with a specific show you could opt out. Good for Payless.
Josh and Anna' filmed wedding as seen through the eyes of Anna's brother-in-law.
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Wait! A distant relative of the Duggar clan is blowing the whistle? Wow, what else does he have to say?
And of course let's call it "Blanket Training"
sounds so benign and non threatening.
Why not call it what it really is?
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Blanket Beatings.
I'm sorry but it's disingenuous to say that this sort of thing is religious. It's not okay to couch everything terrible you do as part of your religion as some sort of mighty shield against ever being questioned. Doesn't work that way. A lot of bad things have been done over the centuries in the name of religion and we should have learned by now not to fall for that.
If TLC thought that the main stream media would forget all about the Duggars over the weekend, they're sadly mistaken. The Today Show had a segment on it this morning.
http://www.today.com/popculture/josh-duggar-molestation-scandal-19-kids-counting-backlash-mounts-t22806
This story has real teeth to it. It's impressive that it lasted the entire holiday weekend, traditionally a time when news doesn't really stick. People were roasting marshmallows this weekend and having cookouts, it's harder to have a story with staying power through that. Here we are Tuesday morning and it's still going strong, still one of the top stories on CNN.com and many others.
TLC has NEVER had anything like this. Even the Honey Boo Boo thing went away quickly.
Also the difference with Honey Boo Boo was I think they wanted to cancel it because Shirley Temple was growing up. That was the perfect excuse. Here, they don't want to let it go. Not so easy to give them the sack when suddenly YOU want to keep them eh? They're as transparent as Kate. Like I said, they're only going to make it worse for them trying to craft it in a way it can be on the air. Don't even go there.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 122
Why does Jessa's father in law feel he has the right to speak for Jessa?
Jessa should speak for Jessa. So far none of the victims have spoken that I know of. Only the victims themselves can "forgive" Josh. If you're a third party to this, it's not YOU that needs to forgive him.
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Perfectly illustrates the patriarchal structure of their lifestyle.
This man is afraid that the gravy train his son just hopped on is in danger of coming to an end, and he's not happy. So, he's lashing out at everyone he can, because he deep down believes he has the right to speak for the victim.
I'm outraged at WHO he's outraged at!
Are you kidding me?
At some point, these "men" had to find out that Josh sexually assaulted and molested the woman they love, and what? They got nothing?
None are angry at Josh? They all will allow him around their kids alone?
Where are these people's heads?
Most important question- If the Duggars weren't "The" Duggars, would these men be so wimpy and just suck up the fact that they're breaking bread next to a child molester?
Love this, I believe it's from Dr. King: "Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way".
I have been reading with a mixture of pain and outrage. Those girls have dealt with too much for their overly programmed psyches to manage.
There is a Biblical Law that states if a man rapes a woman in the countryside, he alone bears responsibility and shall be stoned to death.
If a man rapes a woman within the city, they are both guilty and both shall be stoned to death. The rationale was that in the country the 2 would be alone and no one could hear her cries for help. In the city there would be others around and her cries would bring her help and she would not be raped.
There is an off chance that the Duggars and their church refer to this when dealing with this tragedy. The Dugger daughters and the other victim were molested in places where other people were. They did not cry out, so they must bear the burden of guilt as well. Part of their thinking might be that they are blaming the girls for not yelling out in a house full of people.
I know it is strange to our thinking, even incredulous, but it is a Biblical Law.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 122
Why does Jessa's father in law feel he has the right to speak for Jessa?
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Because Jessa has a vagina and is only good for one thing. That's the problem. These people believe it is okay to take away the rights of 50% of their population. That's not religion, that's oppression.
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I soooooo totally agree that this is not about 'bashing conservatives'; though there is a giant load of hypocrisy at work there, it's a side-show to the main issue. The main issue that some refuse to believe is that the parents failed spectacularly to help ALL of their children. Josh was not treated in the proper manner to get help, and the girls were certainly not helped
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The defenders who are screaming, "BUT JIM BOB REPORTED JOSH!!" need to wake up.
The cop did nothing. The report went no further. That's not how it works and everyone knows it.
Jim Bob is a grown man and if this trooper failed to do his job, it was incumbent upon Josh's parent to DO THE RIGHT THING, and report him to someone else.
It's a no brainer.
The whole, "Gee, I reported Jon. If the cop didn't report it, it's no my fault".
That's a cop out.
On top of the that, I think Jim Bob brought Josh to the trooper with a wink and a nod, if you know what I mean. ;-)
"Hey, scare my kid half to death and we'll call it a day, ok?"
The TLC PR department should have a chat with all the Duggar in laws! Its Tuesday, and things should calm down some, but now there are fresh stories about the father in law of one of the girls and his blog post defending the child molester.
And those pr folks already had their holiday weekend ruined!
This man is afraid that the gravy train his son just hopped on is in danger of coming to an end, and he's not happy. So, he's lashing out at everyone he can, because he deep down believes he has the right to speak for the victim.
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Exactly. As I recall his son had no direction, didn't go to college that I know of, and was cutting grass. Of course he was like 19 years old so it can take some time to figure out what you want to do with your life (one reason it can be better not to get married so young). Cutting grass is what you're supposed to be doing at 19.. But this was perfect for him, he could hop on that train and get a certain lifestyle on a day laborer's salary. He didn't have to put in the extensive and expensive college education, long hours and hard work us mediocre have to do in order to afford European honeymoons and the like.
In any case I really don't think her father in law has any right to speak for Josh or the family. HE wasn't victimized, it's not his to forgive.
Would he allow his son's future children around Josh? Alone? He needs to ask himself that and be real about it.
We do have freedom of religion in this country, but you cannot commit crimes and use religion to excuse the acts.
Or cover them up. Or use your 'holy' act to accrue wealth and fame, when you're not all that holy. Mother Teresa they ain't.
The TLC PR department should have a chat with all the Duggar in laws! Its Tuesday, and things should calm down some, but now there are fresh stories about the father in law of one of the girls and his blog post defending the child molester.
And those pr folks already had their holiday weekend ruined!
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Lol so true, Joy!
They are making the story worse by yapping.
I really wonder what the clan did all weekend. Probably lots of praying and even more hand wringing. They deserve every bit of it. The karma train finally looped back around. Now perhaps they know just a tiny bit of what it feels like to be attacked as a child molester just because you want to use the women's restroom. It's not fun, right? Welcome.
I hope they do some real soul searching over this, and really evaluate their "religion" (and I use that term loosely) and the things that they have said about others and themselves.
I know it is strange to our thinking, even incredulous, but it is a Biblical Law.
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Old Testament though, right? I thought Christians were taught that Jesus saved us from having to follow the Old Testament law anymore.
However I've noticed that cults like the Duggars tend to lean much more heavily on the Old Testament than other Christians. We don't even read the Old Testament in my church, except once in blue moon for the prophesies about Jesus, and maybe the Psalms to pull prayers from. That's it. I can't remember the last time I heard anyone mention Leviticus or Deuteronomy, except when memorizing the books for Sunday school class in fourth grade!
Admin, http://duggarswithoutpity.blogspot.com/2009/01/insights-from-insider.html
With all the controversy about the Duggars, I'm very concerned that Kate's abuse, which most likely continues, will be brushed under the carpet. The Duggars will take the fall, Kate will again be protected by TLC. The one hope is that Jon's case will be heard and any notoriety from that might spell the end of additional shows.
"So what did TLC do in the immediate aftermath of the scandal? It aired a marathon of 19 Kids and Counting. Then on Friday, after an outcry, it hastily pulled the show . . . for now. But the long-term fate of the show remains unclear, which shows you just how far down the rabbit hole TLC has tumbled.
Josh Duggar is accused of abusing young girls. He then went on to become a strident cheerleader for traditional family values. He embodies everything that is wrong with this world.
This is not something TLC should try to rationalize. Instead, it should take a long hard look into one of those mirrors and figure out why the content it champions is riddled with so much scandal."
http://t.thestar.com/#/article/entertainment/2015/05/25/josh-duggar-said-hes-sorry-but-is-tlc-menon.html
Statistically speaking, I'd say that one has a far less chance of being ogled by a transgender or gay person in a public bathroom than they have of being molested by a sibling. Josh.
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That's right, in a women's restroom that has stalls that lock. Are we to imagine these folks are balancing themselves to lean down and stick their head under to steal a peek? Or maybe they attach a little mirror to a selfie stick and put it under the door? And on the off chance this is happening, is there something insufficient about calling the police and having them arrested? What's more, if someone really wants to check out the women's room, does a women's only sign stop them?
You know what's what these anti-gay intolerant types have done for decades. They use fear to get you over to their side. Fear that some creepy stranger is out there lurking, ready to pounce on you, rape you, even kill you. They completely ignore all the statistics that confirm without a shadow of a doubt you are far more likely to be molested, hurt, or even killed by someone you know, including your own family members.
I still think that TLC will either cancel the Duggars or wait a while till things cool down and do a Duggar spin off. The spin off would feature: Jill or Jessa or both, or just the girls. And somewhere down the road, the rest of the family and then sneak Josh into the show.
And if Kate & Jeffboy were planning a wedding show or what ever, it would be very bad for TLC. Jeff has a past, of spouse abuse, not paying child support, bad business, messy divorce, changing his name(who is he hiding from , sounds shady), he sounds shady. Kate is no better, keeping kids from seeing dad, leaving kids with out any communication with mom, violating custody etc.
It is bad news all the way around. The smart thing TLC can do is drop Kate too. She is no better than the Duggars or HBB. TLC needs to open their eyes, they have been blind for too long!
With all the controversy about the Duggars, I'm very concerned that Kate's abuse, which most likely continues, will be brushed under the carpet. The Duggars will take the fall, Kate will again be protected by TLC.
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Maybe, but it's not like it had much teeth to begin with.
Still, I have to say I do like thinking that I'm sure a small part of Kate, or even a large part, is made nervous about this incident. Not because this is happening in her own family, but because she is seeing firsthand how quickly things can change. The Duggars were on top of the world last weekend. Now they're as low as you can go. Snap, just like that.
I like the idea of Kate walking on eggshells. Even on twitter she is going out of her way to behave herself. Poor schmoopy.
She knows darn well this could happen to her. And that is why reality t.v. is not a real job or stable or a good way to provide for your family, doofus.
I'm only speaking for myself, but regarding the commenter who
won't read here any longer (and yet I suspect she still will), I'll say
it again: I had no idea there were 2 sides of the fence to be on regarding sexually molesting a sibling. I don't care if it's done
by an orthodox Jew or a pagan or a visitor from Krypton. I'm
not interested in parsing the details of the police report. In a community where premarital kissing is a sin, I contend that
whatever level of genital touching these girls were subjected
to -- at the hands of their brother -- was a violation of their
bodies, their privacy, and their souls.
The TLC PR department should have a chat with all the Duggar in laws! Its Tuesday, and things should calm down some, but now there are fresh stories about the father in law of one of the girls and his blog post defending the child molester. And those pr folks already had their holiday weekend ruined!
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Not to disagree, but let the Duggar in-laws keep yapping. It just goes to show how pervasive their bigoted and misogynist beliefs truly are in the 21st century and provides much more of a truer picture of their little cult than the sugar sweet dribble televised on TLC.
I am sympathetic towards the TLC PR team, hope they are not salaried, and can collect every bit of overtime and holiday pay for their hours worked this past weekend.
Jessa and her husband are just as bigoted as her parents. Jessa said abortion is the same thing as the Holocaust and her 19 year old husband was ragging on all other religions, especially the Catholic religion among other stupid soap box rants. Neither one has a brain as far as what comes out of their mouths. I think if TLC focuses on the girls weddings and children a lot of these things will come to light and they will have more to deal with. The only older child so far that has been closed mouth is Jana. I feel so sorry for her. She will never know what wonderful things a person can experience while here on earth. When the other 2 girls got married you could see that she would have more responsibility and that is not fair.
"Breaking Amish" star Jeremiah H. Raber was arrested and cited in Indiana County for public drunkenness and disorderly conduct early Saturday morning according to a May 23, TMZ report. Jeremiah H. Raber, 35, of the TLC reality series show “Breaking Amish,” was “hanging out the passenger side window [of a vehicle], yelling derogatory curse words at the troopers” conducting a traffic stop, according to state police in Indiana County.
Emotions seem to be clouding rational thinking and I can barely read here lately let alone post.
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P.K- I say this respectfully, but is it possible your emotions are clouding your rational thinking?
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And "if" the abused is somehow "not at fault," according to the ATI curriculum? The victim is asked to choose between victimization, or being made "mightier in spirit" by their own abuse. It's the most disgusting game of "Would You Rather" imaginable, and, according to Garrison, a window into the potential reasoning behind Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar's decision to keep their son's horrible secret.
"The consequence of this abuse is, to them, a positive — it leads them to be saved," Garrison said. "To them, the abuse is something that has eternal consequences of great benefit and glory to God. They're minimizing the harm and damage that's been done to those girls, and minimizing the guilt that comes from the crime that Josh committed, because of that spiritual benefit."
The Duggar girls are victims of abuse — and of a patriarchal cult. It's hard to emphasize enough how strong a force "traditional gender roles" are in the Quiverfull community. The movement asserts the fundamental supremacy of men over women and promotes the idea that women are sexual property whose sole value after marriage is their fecundity. "The nature of the patriarchy that distinguishes the Quiverfull mindset from other religious extremists," according to Garrison, "is the teaching that there is a channel of authority, and that it goes straight through the father."
In the Quiverfull theological hierarchy, God is the ultimate authority, followed by the family, over which fathers wield unlimited influence and power. "There is this cultic mentality that is aligned within the Quiverfull family culture. The family becomes a mini-cult, with the dad as the ruling cult leader," Garrison told Mic.
And what of the women? They are relegated to the roles of caretakers, domestic servants and babysitters, often co-raising their younger siblings in what Michelle Duggar calls a "buddy system." This means that, in addition to Josh Duggar's sisters being forced into daily contact their their abuser, they were also likely doing chores on his behalf.
"They come across as so whimsical, such a wholesome family," said Garrison. "And appearances are so important. As you can tell from their statement on Facebook, they're still hoping that people will be inspired by this, that they will see the kindness of God. 'Well, we're not perfect, but God is perfect.'"
Quiverfull's women aren't its only victims. "The Quiverfull dynamic sets a family to deal with [abuse] on a spiritual level and a character level and a heart level, rather than as a psychological problem, or an actual crime that needs to be dealt with," Garrison told Mic. "Calling the police or special services doesn't really come into play."
Rather than giving their son the help he clearly needed — according to InTouch Weekly, the Duggars claimed to have sent Josh to a "program [that] consisted of hard physical work and counseling," although Michelle Duggar later admitted to police that Josh had been working for a family friend's home remodeling business — Josh Duggar's parents closed ranks to protect their family's image. It's exactly what Quiverfull asks of its adherents, who are instructed to absolve abusers of their guilt by by pinning the fault of the abuse on daughters for "immodest dress" or "indecent exposure."
I've noticed that cults like the Duggars tend to lean much more heavily on the Old Testament than other Christians.
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Correct. Jesus only offered 2 Laws. Love God, love your neighbor. Everything else he taught was some variation of that theme. The rest are definitely OT, which is heavily utilized by fundamentalists. That's where the "abomination" of homosexuality comes from. OT rates very high for strict life regulations, the NT has stories (parables) of making the right life choices.
I certainly hope you all understand I am not trying to sell my faith to you. I am trying to keep my comments as generic as possible, but I realize it still could be offensive to some. I do apologize if that is true.
Quiverfull paints men like beasts, only a thigh's exposure away from being triggered into sexually assaulting their own flesh and blood. "It's a cult," said Garrison. "These teachings aren't any aberration to Christianity. Quiverfull is the full-blown version — it's what you get when you take basic Christianity to its logical conclusions."
The Quiverfull movement foments a culture where abuse is protected from scrutiny, even while the cameras are still rolling. The Duggar family's obsession with this cult of patriarchy isn't a cable-ready curiosity, and their religious fundamentalism isn't a quaint throwback. It's dangerous, and until more light is shown on the true nature of the Quiverfull movement, its adherents are at serious risk.
http://mic.com/articles/119098/inside-the-christian-cult-that-told-the-duggars-to-blame-their-daughters-for-their-abuse
Yes, I share concerns that Kate's abuses will be swept aside, as usual; but she's a talentless has-been with kids on the cusp of independence. That is why I've been suspicious of her hookup with Jeff Millionaire. There's always an ulterior motive with Kate Gosselin. With all her talk about the kids wanting, no pleading, for her to remarry adds up to some scheme she's brought to TLC. And scheming is what both TLC and Kate are good at. Think Hawaiian vow renewal scam.
Good opportunity for a diligent reporter to crack open all the TLC lies and cover ups. Heck, even Mama June believes TLC covered up for Josh.
Perhaps all this Duggar publicity has Jeff Millionaire rethinking his relationship with Kate and eventually TLC. He's not Mr.Clean.
Ben's job is to take selfies, get Jessa knocked up and film. I think he throws in degrading other religions for free.
Nice gig.
TLC make a show around Jessa and Ben? I don't know about that. Has anyone ever read their tweets? They are as bigoted and uneducated a pair of young people as you will see. Of course, TLC likes that uneducated, better to take advantage of. Seriously, the media will not be following every word, every action of this family. Does TLC want to really go there?
It is very bizarre but I think the role makes her feel needed.
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Yes, if Kate takes her lead she'll pat herself on the back in the belief that she's somehow helped Kate, but if she's ignored how badly does the rejection hurt? There have been many times when she's prodded Kate to "set the record straight" and Kate doesn't bother with her. She keeps on and on and on with no results. That has to be frustrating for her.
Has she asked Kate anything about the recent custody issue?
KyPastor said... 135
I have been reading with a mixture of pain and outrage. Those girls have dealt with too much for their overly programmed psyches to manage.
There is a Biblical Law that states if a man rapes a woman in the countryside, he alone bears responsibility and shall be stoned to death.
If a man rapes a woman within the city, they are both guilty and both shall be stoned to death. The rationale was that in the country the 2 would be alone and no one could hear her cries for help. In the city there would be others around and her cries would bring her help and she would not be raped.
There is an off chance that the Duggars and their church refer to this when dealing with this tragedy. The Dugger daughters and the other victim were molested in places where other people were. They did not cry out, so they must bear the burden of guilt as well. Part of their thinking might be that they are blaming the girls for not yelling out in a house full of people.
I know it is strange to our thinking, even incredulous, but it is a Biblical Law.
May 26, 2015 at 7:57 AM
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Oh gosh - who was that politician who said that if a woman is truly raped, she wouldn't get pregnant?
Reminds me of that.
Good to see you pastor!
Tucker's mom said...
The defenders who are screaming, "BUT JIM BOB REPORTED JOSH!!" need to wake up.
The cop did nothing. The report went no further. That's not how it works and everyone knows it.
Jim Bob is a grown man and if this trooper failed to do his job, it was incumbent upon Josh's parent to DO THE RIGHT THING, and report him to someone else.
It's a no brainer.
The whole, "Gee, I reported Jon. If the cop didn't report it, it's no my fault".
That's a cop out.
On top of the that, I think Jim Bob brought Josh to the trooper with a wink and a nod, if you know what I mean. ;-)
"Hey, scare my kid half to death and we'll call it a day, ok?"
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When my daughter was 14, she and her best friend were caught stealing salads at a grocery store. The store did not press charges, but we took the girls to a local police station and asked that an officer speak to them about what the consequences could have been. A female officer took them to an interrogation room and gave them a talking to. When she came out, she said that she also talked to them about the consequences of unprotected sex. There was no record of this at all. This sounded very similar to what the father did. This had a big impact on the girls, and it put a stop to their criminal careers--well, at least they were never caught again! A few years later, the same police officer showed up at a party because of a noise complaint. The officers looked for evidence of alcohol/drugs, and when nothing turned up, she said " Wow--what a boring party!"
I am puzzled about the timeline--maybe someone here can clarify: Was a report of the meeting with the trooper made in 2003? The published report was in 2006, when Oprah reported it. If no report was made, then why would the clock on SOL for the police prosecuting start ticking in 2003, instead of 2006, when the victims were interviewed and the extent of the abuse was known? I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I do know the power of the good old boys club. Did the police use the SOL running out as an excuse to avoid prosecuting a prominent member of the community? If there is no report filed, then where is the proof that it was reported at all?
ky pastor, I appreciate your comments!
It's like all the dietary laws for those who keep kosher that were listed in the old testament. In the new testament, chapter ten of Acts, the apostle Peter had a vision of all these animals, and being told by a divine voice to kill and eat them, but Peter refuses saying that he cannot eat a forbidden animal. The voice tells him that what God has made he should not consider forbidden. So the kosher dietary restrictions no longer apply. I think this is a metaphor for accepting gentiles as Christians also. Anyone correct me please or ad d to this.
I always wrote the Duggars off as a handful of nut jobs. It's rather astounding to see how many people apparently don't see anything wrong with child molestation, covering it up, lying about it.
Good opportunity for a diligent reporter to crack open all the TLC lies and cover ups. Heck, even Mama June believes TLC covered up for Josh.
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I mean this in the nicest possible way when I say that Mama June won't hesitate to bite the hand that fed her.
KyPastor, I appreciate your insightful and concise statements. I get where you're coming from. Thank you.
Huh....
http://defamer.gawker.com/duggar-dads-political-platform-incest-should-be-punish-1706929035
Jim Bob’s platform on his campaign website—preserved via web cache—states that he believes “rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes.”
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Jim Bob lost the Republican nomination for Senate to Arkansas’ incumbent Senator Tim Hutchinson. His son Josh remained very much alive and went on to molest several underage girls including some of his sisters from 2002-2003.
A female officer took them to an interrogation room and gave them a talking to. When she came out, she said that she also talked to them about the consequences of unprotected sex.
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Why?
Oh gosh - who was that politician who said that if a woman is truly raped, she wouldn't get pregnant?
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Todd Akin, who was running for a seat in the Senate.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/bruce-jenner-sex-change-gender-reassignment-surgery-legally-woman/
Tell me The Duggars aren't on their knees thanking Jesus right about now ;)
Josh criticizes others from a position of self-righteousness. If he had been honest and authentic about his own short-comings he would be in a position to teach about avoiding sin. But he himself not only wasn't honest, he allowed his parents to lie for him also.
Kind of hard to claim pedophilia is the worst sin ever when you're one yourself, and not only don't acknowledge it but lie about it besides?
Didn't Jesus preach that hypocrisy was the worst sin of all?
Good news. TLC are you really going to wait? Make the call already.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/26/19-kids-and-counting-advertisers-payless-walgreens-choice-hotels-josh-duggar-molestation-tlc/
Personal integrity.
Think the Duggars, or TFW, have any idea what that means?
Mama June does.
Milo tweeted this yesterday about Memorial Day:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · May 25
@Kateplusmy8 And a solemn reminder that we should never misuse our #Freedom 2hurt others or speak unkindly! Be free 2honor one another! :)
When she got called out on using a stock photo of a cute parrot, she then tweeted a picture of a llama or camel with braces on:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 1h1 hour ago
#Alert #Warning #Disclaimer This is NOT ME! #StockPhotoStockPhotoStockPhoto Brace yourself!
@Kateplusmy8
Then in she goes on to speak unkindly about a non-fan.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 58m58 minutes ago
Seriously ..what was I thinking? Sending a #StockPhoto 2Kate. Nobody does that!! & I should have checked w/TwitterTrollNControl Schmecky! :)
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 40m40 minutes ago
@GeeWhiz__ Ha...not a doubt in her #HumbleMind about that! All-Knowing-Not-Ever-Wrong woman...needs 2b my mentor! #NoMistakesInLife LOL
I guess that solemn reminder of hers went out the window since Memorial Day is over.
Did Gladys delete the bird tweet, the one where she claimed she took it?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 58m58 minutes ago
Seriously ..what was I thinking? Sending a #StockPhoto 2Kate. Nobody does that!! & I should have checked w/TwitterTrollNControl Schmecky! :)
No, Milo. As usual, you missed the point and are trying to deflect. There is nothing wrong with sending a stock photo to Kate. What is wrong is implying that YOU took it and thought that you wouldn't get caught.
Having never heard of "blanket training", I had to resort to Google. Dear God in heaven, don't tell me the Duggars or any parent practices this. I wouldn't use this method of "training" on an animal let alone a baby.
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TLC seems to be in extreme lockdown mode on all their social media. The last thing posted on both the FB page and twitter was the link to their official statement on Friday.
Tonight, the Little Couple returns and the Willis family has a new episode. I guess TLC is afraid to come out of hiding to promote either of thos 2 shows.
The more they wait to make an absolute decision about 19 kids, the worse and worse it looks for them.
P.J. said... 172
Good news. TLC are you really going to wait? Make the call already.
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I'm waiting for some of the TLC film crew members to start speaking up about more shit that's been going on behind the scenes of these "reality" shows since the network went from something resembling educational programming to a carnival of freak shows.
I think TLC believes their disclosure agreements render them inculpable.
Something has been bothering me since the details of this surfaced. It is assumed that what Josh did was fondling and touching. Is it known without a doubt that nothing more occurred, such as penetration, either with a finger, some object, or God forbid, Josh's male organ? In this case, wouldn't it be rape?
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=rape+Arkansas
Over And Out (#176), it's worse than that. Gladys didn't imply
she took the bird picture. She actually said she took it!
"No..not my bird...belongs 2someone else...but loved her smile
& had 2take the pic! :)" She didn't say "found this online," or
"check out what I googled." Nope. She had to "take" the pic.
Gladys was caught in a lie. Period.
Anonymous said... 177
Having never heard of "blanket training", I had to resort to Google. Dear God in heaven, don't tell me the Duggars or any parent practices this. I wouldn't use this method of "training" on an animal let alone a baby.
bm
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Yep, kids are too scared to make a move off that blanket for fear they'll get whacked with a stick.
No one is going to tell me that wasn't exactly what Kate did when she sent them to sit on that little rug by the closet (in the old house) for a time-out. She always had a weapon with her.
"We don't hit!" my ass.
Mel said... 167
Huh....
http://defamer.gawker.com/duggar-dads-political-platform-incest-should-be-punish-1706929035
Jim Bob’s platform on his campaign website—preserved via web cache—states that he believes “rape and incest represent heinous crimes and as such should be treated as capital crimes.”
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Jim Bob lost the Republican nomination for Senate to Arkansas’ incumbent Senator Tim Hutchinson. His son Josh remained very much alive and went on to molest several underage girls including some of his sisters from 2002-2003.
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Ruh roh!
I don't have a Twitter account, never had and don't want one. However, I have a question. Once someone posts a tweet and then deletes it, is it gone forever, or is it still available somewhere in Twitter's immense
archives of tweets that went somewhere to die, and can it be resurrected?
If someone deletes his or her own tweets, is it possible for them to retrieve those deleted tweets?
Seriously ..what was I thinking? Sending a #StockPhoto 2Kate. Nobody does that!! & I should have checked w/TwitterTrollNControl Schmecky! :)
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teehee. Kate not responding to her AGAIN and all this Duggar business really has Gladys's feathers ruffled.
A lot of posters (on other sites) ask, what would you do if this were your child? Well........ I, very sadly, would have to do at least two things, right up front. As a duty to my son, I would have to seek the very best treatment program for him. As a duty to my daughters, I would have to make sure not only that they also receive treatment, but that they would not be exposed to my son. That is my job. Would I hope that it wouldn't reach the police? I'm not going to lie, I would hope not to have to go down that road, BUT IF IT DID, I would have to produce my son to take the conseqences of his actions. If I don't do that, what have I taught him? What have I shown my daughters?
This has nothing to do with Christianity, or conservatism, or "mistakes" or sins. It has to do with behaving ethically - on the part of the police, the 'church elders', and the parents. A forgiven 'sinner' is not above the law.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 181
Over And Out (#176), it's worse than that. Gladys didn't imply
she took the bird picture. She actually said she took it!
"No..not my bird...belongs 2someone else...but loved her smile
& had 2take the pic! :)" She didn't say "found this online," or
"check out what I googled." Nope. She had to "take" the pic.
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Haha! seriously?
I think some people are overthinking this question, or making it harder than it is. What do you do in this situation? You remove him from the family home, you get him treatment, GOOD treatment, and depending on the circumstances you involve law enforcement. Real law enforcement, not just some friend with a badge you go visit on the down low.
This is no different than many other tough situations parents have faced when one teenager is being disruptive in a family home. Most commonly perhaps, many parents have to deal with teenage drug addicts. When it becomes an issue of the child putting themselves and the family in danger, the child is removed from the home and sent to treatment. Happened to the child I nannied for, and thank God they had the gumption to do it even though it was very painful to look a 16 year old child in the eye and tell him he can't come home right now, and have him tell you F you Mom and Dad I hate you, in response. That decision was made out of love and it was correct.
Children are also sent away when they are mentally ill and hurting the family or themselves. There are other scenario where children must be removed from the home on a temporary or if necessary, permanent basis.
Boo-hoo, JimBob and Michelle were faced with something tough. Welcome to parenthood. If a narcissist could find it in them to send a child away because it was what was best for both him and the family, so could they. They have not been half as brave, responsive, and capable as hundreds of other parents who have handled this differently. For all their Christian values they are wet noodles.
Yep, kids are too scared to make a move off that blanket for fear they'll get whacked with a stick.
No one is going to tell me that wasn't exactly what Kate did when she sent them to sit on that little rug by the closet (in the old house) for a time-out. She always had a weapon with her.
"We don't hit!" my ass.
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No, she just happies!! them up!!
"A sex-abuse cover-up isn't the most disgusting thing about the Duggars, it's their repulsive, pious hypocrisy" by Piers Morgan is available at www.dailymail.co.uk
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Children are also sent away when they are mentally ill and hurting the family or themselves. There are other scenario where children must be removed from the home on a temporary or if necessary, permanent basis.********
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But not with these guys. The hurt and the pain is to be WELCOMED!
It's a test, it brings you closer to God!! It's just being sinful and SINS are always forgiven!! God wants you to sin, er, make mistakes. No crime there
"A sex-abuse cover-up isn't the most disgusting thing about the Duggars, it's their repulsive, pious hypocrisy" by Piers Morgan is available at www.dailymail.co.uk
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So true. It's exactly like the Catholic Priests.
btw, I am Catholic
Boo-hoo, JimBob and Michelle were faced with something tough. Welcome to parenthood. If a narcissist could find it in them to send a child away because it was what was best for both him and the family, so could they. They have not been half as brave, responsive, and capable as hundreds of other parents who have handled this differently. For all their Christian values they are wet noodles.
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And if you can't take care of that many children and be responsible parents, then you don't keep "trying" for more because as Babytalk says, "Children are a blessing from God." If they are such a blessing, then as parents you need to do everything in your power to protect and care for them, especially since they are God's blessing to you.
They just looked the other way and tried to cover up the abuse. I thought Kate's sheeple were horrible hypocrites, but the Duggar matriarch and patriarch have them beat by a mile.
I don't think they're overthinking the situation as much as they are looking for an 'out' ---- "Well, you wouldn't turn in your own child, would you????" The people who ask that have no clue that why, yes, that's exactly what you might have to do.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 181
Over And Out (#176), it's worse than that. Gladys didn't imply
she took the bird picture. She actually said she took it!
"No..not my bird...belongs 2someone else...but loved her smile
& had 2take the pic! :)" She didn't say "found this online," or
"check out what I googled." Nope. She had to "take" the pic.
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Not only that, but she also decided the bird was a "she" and named it Zooey. How creepy is that?
Here's is a link to where the picture may have originally come from, and the owner named BronzeOwl said the bird was a he and his name was George Mango. The owner said:
BronzeOwl_ 2 points 3 months ago
Awww so adorable! My lovebird is named Mango too!
Here he is http://i.imgur.com/1za7lHa.jpg
Edit: his full name is George Mango
http://www.reddit.com/r/parrots/comments/2vffxg/this_is_my_lovebird_mango_i_wanted_to_share_some/
Milo deleted the first 2 times she tweeted the picture, but yesterday's tweets are still up. She really must be feeling desperate since she hasn't had a direct reply from Kate since May 14. She got a retweet for one of her platitudes on May 21, and an indirect reply only because she was included in a tweet that Kate replied to.
"Well, you wouldn't turn in your own child, would you????" The people who ask that have no clue that why, yes, that's exactly what you might have to do.
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Yes, and the thing is, the answer has been and will continue to be YES to many parents faced with the same.
They act like he is the only child to think of here. I would flip the question around, you wouldn't NOT turn in the person victimizing your child, right?
Why are these all asked from Josh's perspective, and not from the victims' perspective, also their CHILDREN just as much as he is?
"A sex-abuse cover-up isn't the most disgusting thing about the Duggars, it's their repulsive, pious hypocrisy" by Piers Morgan is available at www.dailymail.co.uk
bm
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here's the link, well worth reading
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3098110/PIERS-MORGAN-sex-abuse-cover-isn-t-disgusting-thing-Duggars-s-repulsive-pious-hypocrisy.html
Why are these all asked from Josh's perspective, and not from the victims' perspective, also their CHILDREN just as much as he is?
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I think we know the answer to that.
Male?Female?
Gosh, Sleepless (61)...you really stirred up Kate's Twitter by asking last night if there were some way to find out if Milo actually took the photo of the bird or if she got it online. KIAT found it. Not only didn't Milo take the photo, but she renamed the bird! Why would Kate care if Milo took the picture or not? Why would she tweet such an obvious lie? She got caught this time, and it's all there in a tweet.
That woman has some very serious issues. She's been hanging with Kate too long!
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