InTouch has a great breakdown post-interview of the Duggar's slant on the truth.
Among the eleven things the Duggars are still hiding, says the magazine, are:
- The Duggars waited over four years to get counseling for Josh.
- The child services investigation reports have never been released, despite the Duggars implying they were.
- The family likely has no leg to stand on in a lawsuit, as nothing improper was done. In fact it would have been illegal not to release the records.
- Judge Zimmerman, who ordered the records destroyed after they were already turned over to the media, made the order without properly giving the media an opportunity to contest her order. A law professor and former U.S. attorney called the court order "odd," pointing out that usually in such a situation the records are ordered sealed, not destroyed.
Realitytvkids.com adds:
The man behind the year's biggest reality show story: David Perel. |
- The Duggars outright said that the release of the information could have been a bribe, but don't have a shred of evidence to support such a malicious contention.
- Mike Huckabee, whom the Duggars quoted during the interview and count as a supporter, swiffered all traces of the Duggars from his web site just before the interview.
- The judge who ordered the records destroyed was appointed twice by Duggar (former) ally Huckabee.
Check out InTouch for more.
For more reading, check out why InTouch's investigation exposing one of America's most famous conservative-religious political families was of Pulitzer caliber. "Solid," says the editors at The Washington Post. Editor David Perel, who led the InTouch investigation, was nominated for a Pulitzer, though didn't win, in 2010 for his work on the John Edwards scandal. Nominations are typically announced in January.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 1786 Newer› Newest»Someone had a picture up of the Duggars from the time when the little girl was 5 yo. So sad.
You look at that picture and all those girls were just so...young. Breaks your heart.
Blowing, that's true. He is with Kate so much I thought he was hers exclusively, LOL.
Wonder if anyone from TLC security has been assigned to Josh in Arkansas or Jim Bob's?
Speaking of makeup, who the heck did Michelle's for that interview?
This October, Jim Bob, who had a brief political career in the Arkansas State Legislature from 1999 to 2002, popped up in D.C., hawking ignorance about the Pill and female anatomy at the Values Voter Summit. Reminiscing about an early miscarriage Michelle had when she took the Pill and before the couple decided to become super-breeders, he said, “And then something we didn’t know is that the Pill can actually allow women to get pregnant, but then it can be aborted,” he said. “That’s what happened with Michelle.”
Conventional medical science would refute that diagnosis, which Mr. Duggar said a “Christian doctor” validated, but no one at the Values Voter Summit was the wiser.
Read more at http://observer.com/2014/12/the-duggars-politics/#ixzz3cfphzVjc
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What the hell is going on in that home....those minors need tobe taken out and questioned by the authorities....what a mess...
angie said... 183
If I was Anna I'd high tail it back to Florida.
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Now there's someone who's between a rock and a hard place. She could take her pregnant self and 3 babies back to Fla. and move in with her parents (because she's not been trained to be anything other than a compliant, never-complaining sperm receptacle and baby maker, back to her parents who heard Josh's confession and thought it just fine if their daughter married a molester of his little sisters, or she can stay with Josh and have a score of babies and try not to wonder, over the next 20 years or so, if Josh is abusing them.
Personally, I have my doubts about that 'babysitter' being older.
I think that that's just Duggar-speak to make it sound like she was an older girl. They're counting on everyone thinking, oh, it must have been a girl older than the ones she was babysitting.
My bet is that she was instead a young visiting girl of some sort. Notice that nothing's been said if that girl was of age or not. I'm betting not.
The Duggars don't seem to be in much of an uproar about her, either.
Can you imagine as the other girl's parents, your (possibly under-age) daughter getting a phone call like that???
IMO, that should have been an in-person contact between the parents first, and then her parents should have been the ones talking with her, taking the time to prepare her for what was coming.
Or better yet, the parents would have had a counselor to help with telling her and to provide future assistance to her.
She should NOT have heard that over the phone, out of the blue.
What a completely insensitive way to deal with that. But hey, she's just a stupid girl. Not even in the family. No one to be concerned about.
Josh doesn't live there anymore....whos touching who now ? Who called 911? Sounds like this just happened....this is ridiculous..
Can the state force JB to share the names of the families that have experienced 'far worse' in their own families? Gee JB, your comment about several other families experiencing worse scenarios didn't help your Gothard cause, did it? (and let's no forget Gothard was removed from his position due to his own sexual activities).
This whole thing just STINKS.
Josh will need a body guard for a long time to come. The general public can look the other way about a lot of things, but they don't when it concerns abusing little children. It's not safe for him to be out in public.
Meanwhile, a prominent Houston pediatric oncologist has been arrested and charged with having child porn on his personal computer. over 8000 pics.
Maybe he needs to go build a basement in Arkansas?
They apparently don't trust ANY of their sons.
http://okmagazine.com/photos/duggar-family-home-boys-girls-room-jim-bob-michelle-duggar-house-josh-molestation/photo/1001263815/
The Daily Mail published a map of the Duggar family home in Tontitown, Arkansas showing that the girls’ bedroom and boys’ bedroom are on opposite sides of the house, with the parents’ master suite “blocking” the rooms.
According to the report, if the boys wanted to access the girls room, they would have to walk by the parents’ room or Michelle’s home office and on a catwalk, which would be visible downstairs in the open-layout kitchen and living room.
The 19 Kids And Counting family custom built their home in 2006, the same year the police report was filed from the incidents in 2002 and 2003, which Josh confessed to.
Anonymous said... 197
(Leslie)
#177 @IMPerel: New investigation launched into #Duggar fam, cops called after DHS not allowed to see minor #InTouch mag exclusive. http://t.co/JoHziU8mbb
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Was this back in 2007? I mean it states this was in late May, they are not taking about a few weeks ago, are they?
June 10, 2015 at 8:16 AM
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It appears this is a current investigation.
So, what was the outcome? Did the police respond?
Was this back in 2007? I mean it states this was in late May, they are not taking about a few weeks ago, are they?
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Apparently it was this May, not back in 2007.
Mel said...
My bet is that she was instead a young visiting girl of some sort. Notice that nothing's been said if that girl was of age or not. I'm betting not.
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I wonder if this girl was one that the church elder decided was wearing her blouse too tight. That all came out at church right before the Josh "confession".
And Jim Bob, if you've heard far worse in other families, did you report it to law enforcement?
These people are sick pigs.
R said... 200
WTF...the Duggars are under investigation again...In Touch say there was a a 911 called placed...and the Duggars wouldn't let them in? Am i reading wrong
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Nope. This is a new investigation as of May 27.
The Duggar family is under investigation again by the Arkansas Department of Human Services and police were called when the family refused to cooperate, In Touch magazine is reporting exclusively in its new issue that hits newsstands today.
A representative from the Washington County DHS called 911 on May 27 at around 11 a.m. asking for police assistance when DHS was not allowed to see the minor they were concerned about. In Touch, which broke the story of Josh Duggar’s sexual molestation scandal, has the full transcript of the emergency call in the new issue.
The new investigation comes as the family tries to save its TLC reality show, 19 Kids and Counting, which the network pulled off the air, while determining its fate. Jim Bob, Michelle and two of their daughters sat for interviews with Fox News, attempting to minimize the damage, but much of what they said was widely condemned as misinformation and not full disclosure.
The Duggars made no mention of the fact that they have been under investigation again, but In Touch discovered what they are hiding via another Freedom of Information Act request that produced the 911 call.
After identifying himself as a Washington Country DHS employee and stating the Duggar family address, the caller tells the 911 operator, “We have an investigation and I guess they’re not being cooperative. We have to see the child to make sure the child is all right. So we just need police assistance.”
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/new-investigation-launched-against-duggar-family-911-called-60330
Details of the 911 call are available in the newsstand edition.
Was this back in 2007? I mean it states this was in late May, they are not taking about a few weeks ago, are they?
June 10, 2015 at 8:16 AM
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Yes. Perhaps this is the "more to come" that Perel had indicated was about to be released.
Josh doesn't live there anymore....whos touching who now ? Who called 911? Sounds like this just happened....this is ridiculous..
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CPS is called not only for "touching" concerns. The call could have been made as a welfare check, such as someone being hurt and not treated, or for suspected physical abuse.
I guess Anna will do another home birth? If so that gets around the doctor mandated reporter thing. I can't think of any reputable doctor not calling DHS after attending to the birth of an admitted child molester, especially when the child born is female.
Can you imagine the looks and questions a medical team would give Josh and Anna?
She'll have to have a home birth with midwives (are midwives mandated reporters?)
The vise is going to squeeze even tighter on Josh and Anna. She might not have any choice but to go to her parents in Florida. True, she and her parents knew about Josh's behavior and supposed healing and forgiveness, but Anna and her parents probably fell under the spell of the powerful Duggar family within their home schooling/quiverfull/Gothard sect. They saw a great opportunity for their daughter and took it.
Anna needs to take those kids and go to her parents. At least her kids wouldn't be under the same roof as an admitted child molester.
I also don't think Josh hired Steve to be his bodyguard. TLC assigned him to the case. Wasn't it shortly after K+8 was cancelled that Steve was spotted providing assistance for Honey Boo Boo?
I'm tending to think Steve doesn't do much security any more. He is too recognizable and is intimately associated with TLC reality participants. He has turned into more of a personal assistant than protection.
In fact, I'll go so far as to label Steve as a liability when it comes to providing security. He draws attention to himself and someone looking to do harm can easily try to avoid him. If TLC was serious about providing protection they would rotate the staff to avoid having a noticeable pattern bad guys could identify and exploit any weaknesses.
Looks like TLC may be getting into more trouble. TMZ says that Mama's June daughter, Anna, is suing her because she didn't pay her the money from the series that was due her and her daughter.
"Mama June's daughter and granddaughter are suing her, claiming she screwed them out of hundreds of thousands of dollars from their series, "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo."
Anna Cardwell and her 2-year-old daughter, Kaitlyn, claim Mama June pocketed money that was earmarked for them. Anna says she's owed around $200k and Kaitlyn is owed $100k.
The mother/daughter plaintiffs say Mama June kept their share of the $22,500 per episode. They also say Mama June didn't fork over royalties for their cookbook and other promotional things.
Anna and Kaitlyn have also dragged TLC into the lawsuit, claiming the network had a duty to protect them ... ensuring they'd get what was owed to them.
TLC has always said it helped set up accounts to ensure everyone got what was owed to them."
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/10/mama-june-sued-daughter-chickadee-anna-mama-tlc-money-lawsuit/#ixzz3cg0edmKl
With In Touch outing the Duggars for their hypocrisy, I bet Kate is scared shitless because her journal is 'out there'. She might be farting rainbows on twitter, but she KNOWS it's just a matter of time before her journal hits mainstream.
If it can happen to the Duggars it can happen to her. And she knows it.
I think if I was Kate Gosselin I'd call TLC and quit. TLC might think that's in their best interest as well. I can't see how they can recover from Josh's 'past mistakes', but having Kate outed for the child abuser she is will only add fuel to the fire.
This is quite the mess the self-righteous Duggars have put themselves in. When you campaign against people who live their lives different from your beliefs and make allegations of molesting children, especially girls, this is what happens. Karma is really getting gorged on biting these people in the butt. I doubt they will become the least bit humble as they think their way is the only way. They deserve every thing that is coming to them.
So the Dillards are selling 2 month photos of their baby to People, the magazine clearly in bed with TLC. Guess this is their only income source at the moment. Without that TV show, what are these undereducated and untrained young people going to do? Did you ever think about that JimBoob?
OrangeCrusher1
Yes. Perhaps this is the "more to come" that Perel had indicated was about to be released.
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Or just one of the new things yet to come. In Touch is just not letting this go. Good for them.
Well well well ...one of mamajune's daughters is suing her. Shocker !
Whatch your ass schmoops
http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/10/mama-june-sued-daughter-chickadee-anna-mama-tlc-money-lawsuit/
Just my opinion, but I think we have met the "babysitter". Many, many times.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 185
I would have expected them to consult a PR team, I think the real story though is how much did they listen to them. I bet not much, or those are some interesting PR people. I'd love to be a fly on that wall when the PR team stood there cringing and wincing as JImBoob ignored their advice and directives. Reminds me of Sarah Palin's team and how frustrated they allegedly got with her, according to the book and film Game Change.
June 10, 2015 at 7:08 AM
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I think JB is a very arrogant man.
Let's see if I can even picture this:
"So, JB and Michelle, here's what you need to do in that interview. First, minimize Josh molesting young girls. You know, just say that it was just a little titty tickle and a glancing vag grab.
Further, say that the girls were not even conscious when Josh did this, ok? Yeah, it's a reach. A "Hail Mary" pass, if you will, and no offense to your disdain of Catholics.
Further, for your daughter's interview, see above."
TLC stinks said... 199
http://radio.foxnews.com/2015/06/09/jeffress-josh-duggar-was-a-14-year-old-having-hormones/
Tuesday on “The Alan Colmes Show,” Alan spoke with First Baptist Church Senior Pastor Robert Jeffress, who always visits with a variety of topics to talk about with Alan. Tonight, Alan and Pastor Jeffress discussed Caitlin Jenner, whether any of us will see the End of Days in our lifetime and these comments about Josh Duggar and the Duggar family:
JEFFRESS: We’re all sinners, we need forgiveness.
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I didn't have to read any further to know where he's going with that statement. I don't know who this joker is but it's an insult and it doesn't wash with me.
Maybe we are all sinners, Bub, but my sins are a whole lot different than Josh's and I won't have mine lumped in with his.
Geez that annoys me.
fidosmommy said... 26
Just my opinion, but I think we have met the "babysitter". Many, many times.
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I agree.
Anonymous said... 23
So the Dillards are selling 2 month photos of their baby to People, the magazine clearly in bed with TLC. Guess this is their only income source at the moment. Without that TV show, what are these undereducated and untrained young people going to do? Did you ever think about that JimBoob?
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The Dillard guy has a business degree from Oklahoma State University. I've read that he works for Walmart as a tax accountant in Bentonville.
The other husband has an associate's degree from an online juco. Not much you can do with that. And he's got a pregnant wife to support.
I wonder if JB put aside any of the ten years worth of TLC money for the kids? or were they just running in and out in front of the cameras, too?
fidosmommy, I think we have had the same thought. Could be just that obvious.
No.doubt.about.it. Kate is gonna get sued x8 in the future.
Dmasy said... 30
"fidosmommy, I think we have had the same thought. Could be just that obvious."
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I've never watched the Duggars so it's not at all obvious to me. Who are you guys talking about? Don't need a name since it wouldn't mean anything to me but a vague description would be helpful.
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Dmasy said... 30
"fidosmommy, I think we have had the same thought. Could be just that obvious."
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I've never watched the Duggars so it's not at all obvious to me. Who are you guys talking about? Don't need a name since it wouldn't mean anything to me but a vague description would be helpful.
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Cousin Amy ?
When has that family ever used a babysitter?
But, it was her commentary and spin afterward, going after the not-illegal release and blaming the public for being so vewy vewy MEAN to the victims, that really started to rub me the wrong way. You reported the story, now please stop trying to tell people how to feel about what you reported. We can decide that for ourselves.
Bingo, Admin. Megyn used her considerable journalistic chops to get a good interview. It's the aftermath that she's f*cking up royally.
Just my opinion, but I think we have met the "babysitter". Many, many times.
Ditto, Fidosmommy!
As for that CPS visit on May 27th, I'm wondering if it could be for Josie's "febrile seizure" we've seen on a recent episode. During the "talking heads", the older girl and MEEchelle admitted that the little girl have had a few of them before, but it did look to me as if nobody in that house really knew what were the proper medical procedures.
JoyinVirginia said... 164
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-unreal-sarah-gertrude-shapiro-bachelor-bachelorette-20150528-story.html#page=1
My newest obsession and guilty summer pleasure! UnREAL! Story of the completely warped and manipulative machinations that go into making a reality show. The show is Everlasting, with the premise a handsome rich bachelor is picking his ideal mate from a hopeful of lovely ladies. The production staff is driven by the executive producer to find the perfect villain, to manipulate the contestants by rumor and innuendo and lies, and to selectively edit in order to serve the predetermined narrative.
it's a great show! On Lifetime, but unlike anything I've seen on lifetime before. Highly recommended!
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Yes, I agree. I've only watched a couple of episodes but I'm hooked.
There is something very creepy about Jim Bob. I've always felt this. I barely watched the show, but I do remember the one show where Jim Bob and Michele were making pottery with the Ghost music playing and I thought that was so over the top for these Christian parents. It just showed me that sex to them was beyond the norm in a house such as this, especially when your children are taught any sexual feeling, urges, contact etc. at any age are a sin. I always thought they were hypocrites when I watched a couple episodes early on with their lack of television and yet they were comfortable filming for millions of viewers, and their own church that I believe was set up for tax exempt status, etc.. Posters have stated their concerns that Josh's behavior was learned. The only person I can think he would learn this behavior from is Jim Bob. I'm not accusing him, but if Josh was on the internet (although they claim Josh didn't have access). I don't necessarily believe this. I also wonder if Josh did have access to the internet and porn did he frequent child pornography not just regular porn, especially since he molested his 5 year old sister when he was 15. I don't believe those type of urges and ability to act out on them would necessarily go away just because he has a wife readily available for sex. Those are two different things. I know from personal experience and being married to a porn addict for over 20 years. He eventually became attracted to young teens and solicited pictures for his porn business (that I didn't know about at the time). His addiction to porn and strip clubs went on for at least 30 years ( prior to when we were married). He sneakily kept his porn addiction from me for many years and even his addiction to strip clubs (he spent a tremendous amount of money over the years). My ex traveled extensively for many years and ran his own businesses. Strip clubs was also mentioned in a post regarding Josh, although I 'm not aware of the age limit for visiting them in Arkansas and what the drinking age was at the time when he was between 18 and 20 prior to his marriage to Anna. At any rate, I certainly would hope that CPS would be involved in the welfare of his children, especially his daughters.
I don;t believe the two married Duggar girls can keep the show alive. Many sponsors have spoken and pulled out already and I don't see this spin off or whatever TLC is trying to salvage as being lucrative for them.
I thought Cousin A was the other vic right from the get-go.
A new report by In Touch claims the Duggar family was being investigated as recently as May 27, and a 911 call regarding the Duggars was placed on that date by a Washington County Department of Human Services (DHS) worker because the DHS was allegedly being denied access to a minor in the family.
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DHS records are sealed, right? The Duggars really are stupid. If they had cooperated with this new investigation, there wouldn't be a PUBLIC record of a 911 call.
No one would know.
JB really thinks he's above the law doesn't he.
Pride goeth before a fall.
Can we please NOT speculate as to the identity of a victim of sexual assault? It serves no purpose.
Leaving the married daughters and Josh out of the equation for just a moment, there are what, 16 other children. As this sordid saga unfolds, with the grab for another show, you have to wonder just what plans the parents have/had for all of their futures. Marry off the girls to young boys who may or may not have any earning potentials of their own? The boys? Josh has surely made them untouchable for grifted jobs. I know that many of them are quite young, but you do have to wonder about the lack of concern for anything but the baby producing aspect.
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Amy is about 18 months older than Josh. I don't know if that fact makes any difference to my personal opinion about the babysitter's identity. She would have been a fully developed teen and I thought his victims were all younger (read: powerless). Who knows?
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fidosmommy said... 26
Just my opinion, but I think we have met the "babysitter". Many, many times.
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I don't watch the show, and I don't want to know the name of Josh's "5th" victim. But, are you referring to a non-family member that appeared repeatedly on the show?
angie said... 30
The Dillard guy has a business degree from Oklahoma State University. I've read that he works for Walmart as a tax accountant in Bentonville.
The other husband has an associate's degree from an online juco. Not much you can do with that. And he's got a pregnant wife to support.
I wonder if JB put aside any of the ten years worth of TLC money for the kids? or were they just running in and out in front of the cameras, too?
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Derick Dillard is not working for Wal-Mart anymore. The woman who runs the Hairspray and Dill Pickles FB page e-mailed his work e-mail, and got a form response that indicates he is no longer with them. I don't know what he's doing now - although there is speculation that he and Jill want to do missionary work.
But as to Ben Seewald. At least he has a 2-year AA degree, which is way more than any of the Duggar offspring. I think he had stated that he would like to become a pastor. I don't know if you can just decide to be a preacher - don't you need to attend seminary school? 19 or 20 is also pretty young to be a pastor. However, he could at least apply for various jobs that don't require a lot of prior experience, and then work his way up the ladder.
The Dillard guy has a business degree from Oklahoma State University. I've read that he works for Walmart as a tax accountant in Bentonville.
I thought there was some talk that the guy quit that Walmart job recently...maybe it was just a rumor.
Another blog is reporting that Derick Dillard no longer works for WalMart. Speculation is that he and Jill(?) are going overseas for a mission trip.
I understood the other abused girl was a family friend who stayed with the Duggars for about a year for "schooling". I have no idea why the Duggars would be better at home schooling than the other parents. I could be wrong but I thought that was what I read.
They are completely stupid to escalate things with CPS. They know this is in the news. Let them talk to the child. IMO, the only reason not to is if there is more unknown abuse that she could talk about. What a mess.
Tucker's Mom said... 35
Megyn used her considerable journalistic chops to get a good interview. It's the aftermath that she's f*cking up royally.
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I don't like Kelly's style at all. I watched a clip of her in an interview from 2013 with Erick Erickson and Lou Dobbs. She's very aggressive, domineering in the discussion, extremely opinionated and certainly unafraid to speak her mind VERY LOUDLY.
I get that she's a feminist except that she comes off as a raunchy female injudiciously displaying all the characteristics of the male chauvinist that feminists loved to hate in the '70s.
This article was linked indirectly (in a comment) by another article mentioned here.
http://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2015/05/28/victim-of-bill-gothards-teachings-speaks-out-about-josh-duggard-scandal-mike-huckabee-bill-gothards-dangerous-agenda-and-influence-in-political-arena-and-society-at-large/
It's by Michael Regan. No new information, but a thoughtful stating of opinions. His final line:
But child molesting is never a mistake. No matter who does it, it’s always a felony. And it’s not something a cable network or a family is ever entitled to cover up.
Do y'all not remember David Perel, now with InTouch? He was with RadarOnline when the non-fans were being outed. He was very much a big part of that in the beginning. I remember him on Twitter right in the thick of things. Despite being nominated for awards, IMO, based solely on what I saw of his involvement in that fiasco, he's a slime ball.
Sorry...I didn't intend to spur speculation as to the girl's identity.
My objection was that apparently Josh thought it a fine and dandy idea to just call her up and tell her what he'd done to her (since his story his that she didn't know).
A super sensitive conversation like that 1) should have happened in person, and 2) if she was underage, her parents should have been involved first.
He had no business calling that girl up without talking to her parents first. Especially in that culture where the father rules the roost as far as girls are concerned, even when they're over age.
So far there hasn't been much consideration for how the Duggars (mis-) handled the molestation of a visitor in their home. Oh yeah, son, just call the girl up and let her know. No biggie.
Doesn't sound like it was handled with much kindness or consideration for the girl. Doesn't sound like a very compassionate way to handle that.
I have also read that Derrick and Jill were going on a mission trip (back to Nepal, I think). I assume TLC is footing the bill for that also and counting on filming it for spin-off (?) episodes.
Derick Dillard is not working for Wal-Mart anymore. The woman who runs the Hairspray and Dill Pickles FB page e-mailed his work e-mail, and got a form response that indicates he is no longer with them. I don't know what he's doing now - although there is speculation that he and Jill want to do missionary work.
But as to Ben Seewald. At least he has a 2-year AA degree, which is way more than any of the Duggar offspring. I think he had stated that he would like to become a pastor. I don't know if you can just decide to be a preacher - don't you need to attend seminary school? 19 or 20 is also pretty young to be a pastor. However, he could at least apply for various jobs that don't require a lot of prior experience, and then work his way up the ladder.
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I didn't know he was no longer employed by Walmart. Did that occur after he said "I do?"
probably so.
I guess Duggarmart pays more.
Yes, you can become a preacher without ANY credentials. Of course you will have to be hired by a non-denominational church, a start-up church, etc. Some churches 'ordain' preachers just because of a profession of faith.
Thankfully most mainstream denominations require some sort of accredited degree from a seminary, etc.
Since you mention it, I recall hearing that the Dillard couple was planning a missionary trip overseas. Not too smart with a new baby, but hey, Duggars have their own rules...
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I absolutely do remember him from that, and he leaves a bad tasted in my mouth because of it. However, I'm glad he did something right with this Duggar mess.
The Duggars world was very closed before TLC so the victim was likely someone they knew within the Quiverfull circle.They went for an annual meeting with other families, and had 'church' services' in their home. The victim could be one of many so I don't think we will know for sure nor should we.But probably many young women are wondering, or perhaps there are even more victims than reported. JMO.
Anonymous said... 121
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Susan #10 why would the police arrest Josh? I am confused by your comment that the police are lining up their ducks. Thanks for helping me out.
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I was just speculating. Like a lot of other people on this board, I don't think the whole story is out yet and if Josh molested someone else after he turned 18 or the SOL on the youngest victim is still in effect, I would expect him to be arrested.
I have never heard Megyn interview anyone else or even knew who she was so I can't speak to how she is as an interviewer generally.
I like hearing a story from beginning to end, chronologically, and she did that with the Duggars, so that appealed to me.
Josh doesn't live there anymore....whos touching who now ? Who called 911? Sounds like this just happened....this is ridiculous..
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I'm not sure if you mean it's ridiculous CPS would look into this or it's ridiculous that they wouldn't let CPS access the child.
It doesn't matter that Josh isn't living there. The fact is the parents have proven themselves unable to protect their children from harm. That means that future harm that might come their way, even if it's not from Josh, or even if it's not sexual in nature, it remains suspect whether they will protect the kids from it.
CPS has every right to keep tabs on this family, given their history of failure to protect their children.
There might have even been certain protective measures from CPS that were supposed to be permanent. If anything at all has come to light since those measures, something as simple as Josh being alone with any of the minors still in that household, CPS is going to be right back on them. I think some people who are aware of what the family has been up to are feeling more comfortable these past few weeks about disclosing it to authorities now that they know America will back them up, and it wouldn't surprise me if CPS has fielded half a dozen hotline calls about this family since them. They're obligated to address any reports like that, and it sounds like they are doing so.
I was poking around on a FB page devoted to the Duggar news and people are posting that DHS needs a warrant in order to interview children (in relation to the May 27th 911 call) and that the reason TLC has not cancelled the show is because TLC knew of the molestation issue and are scared the Duggars would sue them.
On the other hand, TFMJG's name is being mentioned on that page and not in a good way.
I was poking around on a FB page devoted to the Duggar news and people are posting that DHS needs a warrant in order to interview children
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Are they sure that's right? It's hard to build a case for a warrant without talking to the kids about what's going on.
Here in CA, the law is you don't need a warrant to investigate, including interviewing the children and knocking on doors. You only need a warrant if you're actually going to remove the children from their parents. If all you want to do is supervise, there's no need to involve the courts at all.
I think he had stated that he would like to become a pastor. I don't know if you can just decide to be a preacher - don't you need to attend seminary school? 19 or 20 is also pretty young to be a pastor. However, he could at least apply for various jobs that don't require a lot of prior experience, and then work his way up the ladder.
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Well that will support trips to Nepal and Venice. Not!
Without going to seminary, he's not going to make more than $40,000 when he's 45 and finally works his way up to a somewhat legitimate church.
In the meantime, he might be able to land himself a youth pastor job, work 60 hours a week plus on call, and pull in $25,000 a year trying to work his way up.
There's nothing wrong with all that, but they don't live lifestyles that those career choices can reasonably support.
PatK said... 52
I have also read that Derrick and Jill were going on a mission trip (back to Nepal, I think). I assume TLC is footing the bill for that also and counting on filming it for spin-off (?) episodes.
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If they (TLC) were planning to film a mission trip featuring Jill and Derick, I imagine that is now in limbo until TLC reaches some sort of decision about whether to film any of the Duggar family. I am not sure that I would take my 2-month old baby to a quake-ravaged region, where one of the huge problems facing the population is getting access to clean, safe water. I have also read that the monsoon season is approaching, and relief workers are trying to help people build some
shelters that would provide more protection than tarps and tents.
"... missionaries are now working to distribute corrugated metal sheeting to give people greater protection from the rain of the impending monsoon season. The same sheeting can then be used to construct permanent roofs for the houses which will have to be constructed and completed before the onset of winter."
I know aid workers are needed, but is it the best choice for Jill & Derick, given the fact they have a very young infant now?
Re-runs of the show: seems like TLC would either have to edit every episode that includes Josh, Anna and their family. How practical is that? IMO, I think it would be awkward to re-run almost any of their earlier episodes, given how often they discuss "keeping pure" and how JimBob is supposedly keeping his daughters' hearts safe until the right guy comes along, and all that patriarchal baloney. Every time that topic comes up, how could the viewing audience not think about how JimBob utterly failed to keep his daughters actually safe from being molested?
There it is clear as a bell, CPS saying "we have an investigation" and are just trying to see the kid.
But the Duggars said that case was closed with reports from CPS about how amazing they are and how they did everything right. If they are so amazing why is CPS up in their business again? They never mentioned CPS was involved again.
They are bold faced LIARS.
And Jim Bob, if you've heard far worse in other families, did you report it to law enforcement?
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Great question and one I wish Megyn had asked.
Carole said... 50
Do y'all not remember David Perel, now with InTouch? He was with RadarOnline when the non-fans were being outed. He was very much a big part of that in the beginning. I remember him on Twitter right in the thick of things. Despite being nominated for awards, IMO, based solely on what I saw of his involvement in that fiasco, he's a slime ball.
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No I do not remember him, nor do I particularly remember non-fans (I presume you mean non-fans of Kate Gosselin) being outed. What do you mean? I remember talk about McGibney and Bullyville, and some extreme fan of Kate Gosselin, who offered to do background checks on people signing up for her cruise (the one that never happened).
I am aware that a person who ran a blog voluntarily gave over the names (and perhaps other identifying info) of her blog members in response to a phony subpoena, but I do not believe Perel was part of that.
The name Perel only became known to me due to his reporting for In Touch.
Want to add -- if Dave Perel is a slime ball, that still does not change the fact that the investigative reporting done for In Touch regarding Josh's molestation of his sisters and his parents' subsequent cover-up, was top notch reporting. I am able to separate one from the other.
I am not sure that I would take my 2-month old baby to a quake-ravaged region, where one of the huge problems facing the population is getting access to clean, safe water. I have also read that the monsoon season is approaching, and relief workers are trying to help people build some
shelters that would provide more protection than tarps and tents.
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Absolutely not. Absolutely NOT. I can't stand when these missionary types put their own children at risk in the name of God. Do what you like with your own life but don't put your child at risk. They think they can just pray it away, and they can't. I know a missionary who was separated from his children, three GIRLS, for days while he was thrown in jail for preaching Christianity in Burma. The girls were terrified, and who knows what could have happened to those kids while in custody. Freaking pisses me off.
No I do not remember him, nor do I particularly remember non-fans (I presume you mean non-fans of Kate Gosselin) being outed. What do you mean?
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I don't have much memory of that either. I do vaguely remember a little outing on Radar online and I do very much remember them reporting about the threats from BV to out me (but radar did not actually out me, just reported that BV wanted to). I also remember emailing Radar to complain as a private figure, and as I recall, getting a very polite and understanding response back.
But I also remember Radar losing interest in that story very quickly, getting a lot of criticism for it, and dropping it. I can forgive a brief lapse in judgment like that. It's not like that's what they do on a regular basis. Plus the fans were feeding them a lot of false information and egging them on, so they had a lot of bad sources that weren't exactly their fault.
Want to add -- if Dave Perel is a slime ball, that still does not change the fact that the investigative reporting done for In Touch regarding Josh's molestation of his sisters and his parents' subsequent cover-up, was top notch reporting. I am able to separate one from the other.
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That's right. That's just like the Duggars saying InTouch has ties to porn.
I really don't care, and it has nothing to do with the merits of this investigation. Even people who are in bed with porn, no pun intended, can write a good news story.
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Angie, why can't Josh be at the birth of his daughter and why would a Dr. have to report him? Josh is allowed to be around his three other children so I don't see a difference.
You also said, "With In Touch outing the Duggars for their hypocrisy, I bet Kate is scared shitless because her journal is 'out there'. She might be farting rainbows on twitter, but she KNOWS it's just a matter of time before her journal hits mainstream."
Kate's journal is no secret at all to the mainstream media. Heck it was written about and in two books too. Nobody in the media was interested in it. I see no connection between the Gosselins and the Duggars. In fact Mr. Peril (sp?) who works at In Touch who broke this story was working at ROL at the time that these books were published. He even wrote articles about it. And again, no media took the bite.
Even though the main subject for In Touch is the Duggars' story, Kate even made their new cover!!
In Touch posted a picture of their new cover on their FB page. Of course, the main story is the new investigation into the Duggars.
But down in the right hand corner, there's a 2 pictures of Kate, and the caption is "How They Did It-7 Dramatic Celeb transformations".
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For some reason, I find this hysterical. First, Steve helps Josh move, and the Kate shares a cover with the Duggars.
(Leslie)
All excellent points, MikeB. I agree Steve is a hindrance when it comes to providing real security. Because Josh is currently facing a real security risk (as opposed to Kate) I would be surprised if Steve was not at Josh's home without other security. You know, real security personnel will guns and current training. Steve owns his own security company so I am sure he has a other men/women working for him that do the grunt work. Of course, Steve would have to be there to get his photo taken!! THAT is his job, of course, he is the pretty boy.
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Thanks for jogging my memory. Perel was tweeting around the time that BV was filling ROL's pages with his lawsuit stories (4 major stories) at one time. Perel was very pro BV and anti Kate's non fans. Don't expect him (Perel) to do any in-depth investigative stories on Kate.
Millicent said... 66
Want to add -- if Dave Perel is a slime ball, that still does not change the fact that the investigative reporting done for In Touch regarding Josh's molestation of his sisters and his parents' subsequent cover-up, was top notch reporting. I am able to separate one from the other.
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David Perel did not do this story.
"Rick Egusquiza, the West Coast editor of In Touch, uncovered the molestation scandal among the anti-LGBT 19 Kids and Counting family."
https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/television/2015/06/04/19-questions-gay-journalist-who-brought-down-duggars
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(Leslie)
Angie, why can't Josh be at the birth of his daughter and why would a Dr. have to report him? Josh is allowed to be around his three other children so I don't see a difference.
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I'm not Angie, but I'd like to say that I thought Josh has been in Arkansas all this time, not hiding out in MD or wherever. So has Arkansas DHS had a chance to assess whether or not he is a risk to his own children thru a formal/proper evaluation by a licensed therapist? Has DHS been able to talk to Josh and Anna's daughter? Could it be that Anna and her 3 children are living in the Duggar home or in the guesthouse while waiting on the moving trucks with their household goods to arrive and their daughter is the child DHS wanted to speak with?
(Leslie)
I don't know why Derick is not with Walmart anymore. I would be surprised he quit so fast after getting married and also having a child. That was a steady paycheck. I don't think at the moment they have plans to do missionary work. Maybe they plans to move somewhere (do not have to Nepal) to do missionary work but again I would find it strange to do so so early in their marriage. Plus Jill really is so dependent on her huge family.
Anyway, Derick will be fine because he has a four year degree in accounting and real job experience. He can always find a job. Also he speaks well and carries himself with maturity.
Jessa's husband, Ben, is a dim-wit. Yes he has a two year degree in political science from an on-line school. Big whoop! What can anybody do with a political science two year degree. Not much unless he is going into the political arena and I don't think Ben has the chops for that. He has zero experience in it other than perhaps following the Duggar family around to political events in the past year. Again, big whoop. He is the one I would be worried about. Plus he does not speak well. He comes off not very intelligent and very sheltered.
He said he wanted to be some kind of pastor. Well, why he wasn't study that to get a degree is baffling. Maybe the Duggars has connections that will set him up in some kind of ministry. He is only 20, so perhaps he could be a youth minister at some church that Jim Bob can get him in touch with.
Jessa and Ben said they want to adopt. Well, with no jobs I highly doubt they will be able to do so. Yes, they have money from their People shoots and TLC but I still think the adoption agency would know that money is very fleeting and would still require a job history with income.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 60
I was poking around on a FB page devoted to the Duggar news and people are posting that DHS needs a warrant in order to interview children
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Are they sure that's right? It's hard to build a case for a warrant without talking to the kids about what's going on.
Here in CA, the law is you don't need a warrant to investigate, including interviewing the children and knocking on doors. You only need a warrant if you're actually going to remove the children from their parents. If all you want to do is supervise, there's no need to involve the courts at all.
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Yep. The commenters on the FB page, in relation to the story re: the 911 call on May 27th, stated everything from " Anytime CPS, DPS, or other child investigative service knocks at your door, you DO NOT have to let them in without a warrant. All case workers know this, so I don't understand why they called the police. The police cannot force their way in unless someone in that house is screaming their head off, in imminent danger" to "If you don't let them in your house to give them a reason for a warrant, getting one is next to impossible. Their attorney told them not to let investigators in" to You DO have to produce the child. But, the case worker has to wait if they request that their lawyer be present, unless they think the child is in immediate danger. Now, if they think the child is in immediate danger, they can enter the house but they are usually accompanied by law enforcement" to "If it is a on-going investigation, or a new one, they have to produce the child, if the worker has the proper identification. Given their--now known history with the DHS--the Duggars know this, and requesting police assistance is what the worker is required to do. Though, InTouch says is a new investigation, doesn't mean it is. Prolly has to do with the youngest, doesn't she have seizures? that the mom downplays as just fits. If it is new, and if not, they could be checking on the 17 year old (Josh youngest victim,) if it is a ongoing welfare check" to "you have to produce the child to show them that he/she is safe" to "We get backup calls here a lot when it comes to DHS. Not unusual if they don't cooperate if they are investigating. They don't have to let them in the house but they do have to see the child in question".
Millicent said... 65
I am aware that a person who ran a blog voluntarily gave over the names (and perhaps other identifying info) of her blog members in response to a phony subpoena, but I do not believe Perel was part of that.
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The owner of that blog lied about the subpoena. She actually sold the blog to BV and used that money for her business, Hard Candy Candles. In fact, on BV, all the pages on her are blank were there is still information on the others. She turned out to be a real lowlife.
DPS, or other child investigative service knocks at your door, you DO NOT have to let them in without a warrant. All case workers know this, so I don't understand why they called the police.
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Yes, but the way the call is phrased it sounds like the investigation could already be ongoing and they were doing another check on the kid, which is normal. Here, they're supposed to check in once a month in person for kids. In that case, they may have already had a preexisting warrant that was still good.
I doubt CPS would call 911 without good cause.
My father was a preacher in a mainstream denomination (Episcopal) and he had to have 4 years of college and then attend seminary after that - he was a well educated man. You can now become ordained online just by paying the fee in many instances. Mark Consuelos got ordained with the First Nation Ministry which licensed him specifically for New York City so that he could perform the wedding ceremony for Howard Stern when he and Beth got married.
I commented before that Perel was aware of Kate's journal. Not sure why the story went nowhere but maybe bad blood between Perel and Robert? Maybe Robert did not give them some exclusives? ROL did report on the journal, but I think it fell flat because of how it was obtained, who obtained it, and it was from years ago.
I think the Duggar investigation went forward because of their political ties and incest is about as low as it gets. Sex and politics make great news stories.
What it is going to take is for one of the Gosselin kids to speak out about the abuse and then TLC will be exposed for covering it up. Lies always have a way of unraveling. The custody hearing, if Jon wins custody, will be the first big break of uncovering the truth. TLC will abandon her because she's not a money machine like the Duggars. She has reason to worry. I feel badly for Hannah. No telling what pressure she is putting on that child.
But down in the right hand corner, there's a 2 pictures of Kate, and the caption is "How They Did It-7 Dramatic Celeb transformations".
https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11412293_10154026246538902_7918160033748772779_n.jpg?oh=94d62948ed4e0ec5c8faad2b8e3ca62b&oe=55F0CA98
For some reason, I find this hysterical. First, Steve helps Josh move, and the Kate shares a cover with the Duggars.
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I'm sure Kate's secret is simply rest and exercise!
She's de-aging, dontcha know?
Susan1956, interesting theory. No one actually saw Josh and his family and the yard looked like someone did not live there. Perhaps they have been staying with the inlaws and this is what the DPS kerfuffle is all about. Steve was a decoy. Hmmmmmm. I, too, assumed they ran back to Arkansas after he resigned. No reason to stay in DC.
I'm sure that TFW has Hannah so brainwashed that nothing will come of the custody hearing. The Stepford wives...more like the Gosselin children. Stockholm Syndrome...more like Gosselin Syndrome. Although TFW should be quaking in her heels she probably isn't because she thinks she's untouchable. Hopefully court appointed people will be able to see through the drilled into her head responses.
Another difference between TFW and the Duggars is that TFW isn't/wasn't lobbying lawmakers to take away others' rights the way the Duggars are.
Yes, TFW is a hypocrite in the context of she says she's one thing when she's the opposite (good Christian moms don't beat their kids), but she's not calling *other* people child beaters and trying to take away their rights.
Pretty sad when TFW is starting to look not so bad after all.
TLC stinks said... 83
Susan1956, interesting theory. No one actually saw Josh and his family and the yard looked like someone did not live there. Perhaps they have been staying with the inlaws and this is what the DPS kerfuffle is all about. Steve was a decoy. Hmmmmmm. I, too, assumed they ran back to Arkansas after he resigned. No reason to stay in DC.
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Thanks. I thought one of the magazines ran photos of Josh, Anna and the kids at the airport within a day or two of his resignation so I thought everyone went back to Arkansas. But there have been no pap pictures of them at the house in Siloam Springs, but pictures of the moving truck in MD. Maybe John David flew Josh back to MD to hide out and pack while picking up the PR person. I don't know . . . just a theory, but I find it odd that there are no pap pictures of Anna or Josh or the other Duggar young adults taking supplies to their new house, etc.
Thankfully most mainstream denominations require some sort of accredited degree from a seminary, etc.
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The Presbyterian Church USA is about as mainstream as they come. We are required to have a 4 year college degree and a 3 year Seminary degree in order to be ordained and lead a congregation. Seminary is comparable to law school in intensity and cost.
Presbyteries (like a diocese) set minimum salaries for their own ordained clergy, but churches may pay more if they are able.
I am only saying this to point out that clergy in mainstream churches have earned the protection of the denomination. There are several safety nets in place to assure a young person earns a livable salary for the area where they live. Non denominational churches can make no such promise.
If Mr. Seewald chooses the ministry, I hope he is successful. It is a life full of blessings. Most clergy are happy in their work. I know I am.
I was curious to see how far back into the vaults TLC was reaching. They are airing "I Didn't Know I Was Pregnant" from 2009. Heck that baby is now in first grade!
Another difference between TFW and the Duggars is that TFW isn't/wasn't lobbying lawmakers to take away others' rights the way the Duggars are.
Yes, TFW is a hypocrite in the context of she says she's one thing when she's the opposite (good Christian moms don't beat their kids), but she's not calling *other* people child beaters and trying to take away their rights.
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I feel the same. I have my issues with Kate because I believe she "sells" her motherhood and children to the public and as such, the public has every right to question it. But you're right, she is not telling others how to live or using her fame to take away the rights of others--other than the kids'. That brings what the Dugars did to an entirely different and unacceptable level. Kate like many celebs is simply a public figure with some nasty history and poor choices, and the public will discuss it. A small time tabloid story. This is so much more than that, which is why I don't take very seriously complaints about how they've been targeted. That's not why this story is so huge.
No one's life or rights have been infringed because Kate Gosselin put her kids on TV. Kate generally STFUs about politics in general, and doesn't tell others what to do--other than the kids!
I don't know . . . just a theory, but I find it odd that there are no pap pictures of Anna or Josh or the other Duggar young adults taking supplies to their new house, etc.
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TFM sharpened his rat claws and is keeping everyone away from all things Josh and Anna. Maybe the paps did get photos, but the security expert ordered them to delete the pictures!
P.J. said... 41
Can we please NOT speculate as to the identity of a victim of sexual assault? It serves no purpose.
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please bring our straws to anther keg, thank you
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I picture the poor interns with their dusters, coughing away as they look for old tapes to play.
The owner of that blog lied about the subpoena.
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I'm trying to remember back to that whole fiasco. Didn't she also lie about her husband being an attorney? What a mess that was.
"I don't know why Derick is not with Walmart anymore. I would be surprised he quit so fast after getting married and also having a child. That was a steady paycheck."
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Why would he need a steady paycheck from Walmart if he is married to a Duggar?"
"If they (TLC) were planning to film a mission trip featuring Jill and Derick, I imagine that is now in limbo until TLC reaches some sort of decision about whether to film any of the Duggar family. I am not sure that I would take my 2-month old baby to a quake-ravaged region, where one of the huge problems facing the population is getting access to clean, safe water."
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Maybe they were/are planning on leaving their infant with Ma and Pa Kettle Duggar. I doubt that Michelle would even realize another baby is there. That baby would be lost in the shuffle.
I'm betting Jim Bob was behind Josh's political aspirations, due to the patriarch's unmitigated failure to secure a political win in Arkansas.
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I don't want to offend anyone who has held an office out there, because I think there are some very good people who want to be in office to help others and nothing more.
But I also think politics attracts narcissists as much as acting does. I don't really believe the Duggar's ambition is all that pure or heartfelt as much as they blabber on that it is. I think it's about greed, control, power, and more. I think fame and power is an addiction for them. What I find particularly sad about them is that they really seem to believe they're in this for all the right reasons. Not only have they been dishonest with the public, but they're really not very honest with themselves.
There is just a short blurb on Kate’s transformation in In Touch magazine.
Frumpy to Fancy. Kate Gosselin, 40, sure has changed since appearing on a Discovery Health special about birthing sextuplets in 2006. But she denies rumors of Botox and a face-lift and even boasts, “I’m one of the rare few who de-age.” And if you believe that…….
I don't think Jon will get custody of Hanna not because of anything he is doing wrong and because he cannot provide a better stress free life for. He would die for his kids, especially the girls. But Kate has the kids all brainwashed. Hopefully though, each child in that home is interviewed to see how they are doing and maybe Kate will be put under greater scrutiny by the CPS system and followed more closely.
admin said...No one's life or rights have been infringed because Kate Gosselin put her kids on TV.
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Except for the rights of her own children, who clearly have the right to a normal childhood without cameras shoved into their faces.
Except for the rights of her own children, who clearly have the right to a normal childhood without cameras shoved into their faces.
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Yes and I said that. But that's simply not the same as what the Duggars did.
An analogy I would make is that if Kate campaigned for all children to be allowed to be exploited or abused. That's simply not what she's ever done. She only wants to be able to do it to her own family, and hasn't tried to interfere with what others do. There's nothing hypocritical about that.
Like it or not, she's just not at the level the Duggars are when it comes to hypocrisy. THEY want to act like they are just like someone like Kate, and that's a lie.
The owner of that blog lied about the subpoena.
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I'm trying to remember back to that whole fiasco. Didn't she also lie about her husband being an attorney? What a mess that was.
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Oh yeah! I used to be a regular on RWA. Had a blast for a couple of years, too. I used to torture Baby Mama to tears. But it turned mean and dangerous after awhile, and I really just wasn't interested in any of it anymore. I disappeared about a year before everything blew up. Guess I escaped just in time. I used to post at GWOP back in 2007/08, too.
Yes, Lisa hurt a lot of people.
Lanc Native, there is no way a pap would delete photos if demanded by TFM. That is their paycheck.
Susan1956, I'll jump in with more information on your theory. I saw pictures online of the foreclosed house Josh purchased. It was in bad shape inside. So unless that place has magically been renovated, I do not see him bringing his family to live there now. So if you saw recent photos of them at the airport, then that would confirm they flew to Arkansas sometime after Josh submitted his resignation on May 21. With a pregnant wife and three small children, flying makes better sense than driving. Their car can be shipped. Your theory dovetails nicely with DPS visiting Ma and Pa and them refusing to cooperate because Josh is again under their roof. This would be explosive if true and I could see TLC using TFM as a decoy at the house in MD because I kept asking, why TFM? I know he occasionally is assigned other TLC families but why someone so easily recognizable from TLC? Is it because he is a master secret keeper?
(Leslie)
Angie, why can't Josh be at the birth of his daughter and why would a Dr. have to report him? Josh is allowed to be around his three other children so I don't see a difference.
You also said, "With In Touch outing the Duggars for their hypocrisy, I bet Kate is scared shitless because her journal is 'out there'. She might be farting rainbows on twitter, but she KNOWS it's just a matter of time before her journal hits mainstream."
Kate's journal is no secret at all to the mainstream media. Heck it was written about and in two books too. Nobody in the media was interested in it. I see no connection between the Gosselins and the Duggars. In fact Mr. Peril (sp?) who works at In Touch who broke this story was working at ROL at the time that these books were published. He even wrote articles about it. And again, no media took the bite.
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Well, I don't see how any doctor, if delivering Josh Duggar's female child in a Arkansas hospital, wouldn't question Josh's parental abilities. Doctors are mandated reporters. If they think there is even a remote possibility of abuse/neglect they will report it. Why take the risk? The public sees that his family needs to be investigated, I don't think it's stretching too much for a doctor to ask for an investigation.
As to Kate's journal not hitting mainstream. I don't know why it hasn't been picked up yet by mainstream media, but it will one of these days.
Remember the movie "Mommy Dearest?"
Kate copyrighting her journal damns her--it's just a matter of time before the general public finds it.
(The Duggar's dirty little secret has floated around their little circle and on the internet. Kate's is out there, too).
It might take a custody change, or one of the G kids having an incident for Kate's journal to make headlines. Maybe someone is just sitting on waiting for an event to happen. Just like Alice knew about the Duggars, everyone in Ghettoville knows about Kate and her lack of parenting.
just wondering, I was a poster under a different name at GWOP. I never commented on RWA but read there often.
BTW, Baby Mama's blog appears DOA. Nothing since January.
I'm not sure her brainwashing has worked on Hannah. I give her and some of the kids more credit than that. Every one of those kids is a different person and some are strong enough to speak out. This is what Hannah did.
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Millicent said... 65
I am aware that a person who ran a blog voluntarily gave over the names (and perhaps other identifying info) of her blog members in response to a phony subpoena, but I do not believe Perel was part of that.
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The owner of that blog lied about the subpoena. She actually sold the blog to BV and used that money for her business, Hard Candy Candles. In fact, on BV, all the pages on her are blank were there is still information on the others. She turned out to be a real lowlife.
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YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME. oh my sakes!!!!!!!! I sorta remember that blog shut down because she was served.
And it was later determined that BV bought her off????
that's just crazy! geez, I am speechless.
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Lanc Native, there is no way a pap would delete photos if demanded by TFM. That is their paycheck.
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It was sarcasm. I was just kidding about TFM deleting photos! LOL!
As to Kate's journal not hitting mainstream. I don't know why it hasn't been picked up yet by mainstream media, but it will one of these days.
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I would be very much surprised if it does. Kate is history and I really don't think she generates enough interest to be picked up by mainstream media at this point. Perhaps several years ago, or during the divorce, but she's old news.
That's simply not what she's ever done. She only wants to be able to do it to her own family, and hasn't tried to interfere with what others do. There's nothing hypocritical about that.
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But didn't she "hire" some kid to take down the haters, out them, and make their lives miserable? I would think that doing that would be interfering in another person's life, not to the extent for which the Duggars are guilty, but she was involved with BV and his minions.
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/blogs/celeb-news/jessa-duggar-introduces-baby-seewald--breaks-social-media-silence-000550528.html
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I thought these girls wanted and deserved privacy. They will never be able to give up the spotlight. Never. They are addicted, and such hypocrites.
But didn't she "hire" some kid to take down the haters, out them, and make their lives miserable? I would think that doing that would be interfering in another person's life, not to the extent for which the Duggars are guilty, but she was involved with BV and his minions.
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I just don't think that can even remotely be compared to the way the Duggars have tried to bring down the gay community and try to set the agenda on some very important social issues by using their fame and political influence. Kate had a brief run in with BV and encouraged a little outing of a few folks, and then she stopped and never brought it up ever again. It's not her fault the fans continued it to this day. She's small potatoes.
Well, I don't see how any doctor, if delivering Josh Duggar's female child in a Arkansas hospital, wouldn't question Josh's parental abilities. Doctors are mandated reporters. If they think there is even a remote possibility of abuse/neglect they will report it.
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I haven't read all of the comments, but has someone said that perhaps Josh can't be present at the birth of his daughter? I'm not understanding this at all. Unless there is suspected abuse with his own family, I don't see how any physician could prevent him from being in the delivery room. Maybe I'm missing something. Admin?
I would be very much surprised if it does. Kate is history and I really don't think she generates enough interest to be picked up by mainstream media at this point. Perhaps several years ago, or during the divorce, but she's old news.
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I have to agree. She's just not quite interesting enough. If you're interested in child labor issues or child abuse she's mildly on your radar but that's about it.
The story had its chance and it stuck for a bit, especially when the twins were paraded out on Today and it went so badly, but never really caught on for more than a few days. It likely never will again.
Unless some huge scandal breaks that busts everything open like the Duggars, she's destined to live on the outskirts of Radar's "Kate and Jon still hate each other" stories until the end of time. Sadly, I bet this fact scares her.
Kate had a brief run in with BV and encouraged a little outing of a few folks, and then she stopped and never brought it up ever again.
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That we know of! I just don't trust her.
I was watching something about the Ariel Castro kidnappings and Gus Van Zant who is a popular talking head was on. He is a former FBI agent. Gus said that they've found that the longer a criminal gets away with a crime the more brazen and careless they get.
It reminded me of the Duggars. They kept Josh's crimes a secret for so long that they thought they could basically do anything. They have gotten more self righteous over the years, have been more active politically and have spoken out more and more about other people's values and choices. It struck me that this is exactly what happened to the Duggars, the longer they got away with it the more arrogant they became.
http://thesource.com/2015/06/10/raven-symone-is-the-new-co-host-of-the-view/
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And another of TFMJG's dreams bites the dust (again). Why isn't Disney and the View producer mentioned making TFMJG's dreams come true? Is that the same producer who thought TFMJG was all that and a bag of chips?
The Duggars may need some blanket training. If they wander off the God is love path and condemn people, they may need some correction.
They have gotten more self righteous over the years, have been more active politically and have spoken out more and more about other people's values and choices. It struck me that this is exactly what happened to the Duggars, the longer they got away with it the more arrogant they became.
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Yes, it's the old "Catch Me If You Can" syndrome. They played the game. They were arrogant enough to believe they could get away with it, but, alas, it all caught up to them and bit them in the butt. Big time.
Here's the thing. If TLC doesn't permanently cancel the show and any spinoffs, they'll laugh all the way to the bank and would have learned nothing from this.
And another of TFMJG's dreams bites the dust (again). Why isn't Disney and the View producer mentioned making TFMJG's dreams come true? Is that the same producer who thought TFMJG was all that and a bag of chips?
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That producer was Bill Geddes. Barbara Walters thought Kate was star material and Bill seemed to enjoy chatting with Kate in the hair and makeup room.
Does Em have a new girl crush?
Emily Creighton @EmCr68 9h9 hours ago
If everyone could just take a minute to all hail this queen, that would be great🙌 #JessicaLange #ActressGoddess
Emily Creighton @EmCr68 9h9 hours ago
If everyone could just take a minute to all hail this queen, that would be great🙌 #JessicaLange #ActressGoddess
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Jessica Lange? She's in her 60s! What's with this? Mommy issues, has to be. I'm thinking many of Em's peers don't even know who Jessica Lange even is.
Wouldn't a woman Em's age be into someone like Emma Stone, Rachel McAdams, Amy Schumer? So odd.
This was just posted a few minutes ago.
Curt Autry NBC12
TEXAS JUSTICE: A Texas father walked in on a farm hand in this barn molesting his 5 year old daughter and beat him to death with his bare hands. 47-year-old Jesus Flores had his underpants around his ankles. The case was presented to the grand jury for prosecution, but the panel found the dad not guilty due to a state law that allows deadly force to be used to stop an aggravated sexual assault. Share if you think Texas got this one right.
Wow, I wish all of Josh's brothers, even though they were a little younger could of dog piled him if they just happened to have caught him in the act of molesting their sister and just beat the living hell out of him enough to have to go to the ER. Then they could of told what happened and then the police and CPS would of stepped in and prevented years of abuse and they would of never been on tv.
How can those 2 freaking parents sleep at night knowing that they caused their daughters and the babysitter so much pain and embarrassment by allowing the golden child to stay in the house and not make the proper arrangements to get the girls help and Josh help?
The parents and Josh, not the girls, deserve every ounce of angst toward them. Cannot believe Megyn did not ask about the CPS worker visiting the house and had to call 911 to see a child. I would have loved to see Jim Bob and Michelle squirm on that one.
I guess Steve then would of came into the frame, sunk his rat claws into Megyn and jerked her up and escorted her off the compound tooth sweet.
I'm not sure why we are comparing the Duggars' awfulness to Kate's. Kate Gosselin is a horrible, horrible person. Period. That fact stands alone.
admin (119): "Jessica Lange? She's in her 60s! What's with this? Mommy issues, has to be. I'm thinking many of Em's peers don't even know who Jessica Lange even is."
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Wouldn't that be Grandmommy issues?
Wow, I wish all of Josh's brothers, even though they were a little younger could of dog piled him if they just happened to have caught him in the act of molesting their sister and just beat the living hell out of him enough to have to go to the ER.
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No. Absolutely not. I hope that you really don't mean what you posted. That's vigilante justice and with someone that young, acts of violence such as that could have damaged those brothers for the rest of their lives.
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I'm not sure why we are comparing the Duggars' awfulness to Kate's. Kate Gosselin is a horrible, horrible person. Period. That fact stands alone.
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I agree. Lucky for her some more heinous violation against children than beating and exploiting has come along and she skates by again? Not in my book.
redbird (122): "Cannot believe Megyn did not ask about the CPS worker visiting the house and had to call 911 to see a child. I would have loved to see Jim Bob and Michelle squirm on that one."
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This was reported after the interview took place. I doubt that Megyn even knew about it.
I just saw the TLC commercials for Kate's show. Could her script reading have possibly sounded less polished? If TLC chose these 2 takes, how bad could the rejected takes have been? I shudder to think.
It takes me back with a rude thud to her bedtime reading of Despereaux (sp?) and her disastrous attempt of reading on Andy Cohen's show.
Now give those same words to Raven-Symone and see why she is a far better TV host than Kate. Personality and an ability to come across naturally carry the day. Kate just always sounds stilted.
http://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/television/2015/06/10/duggars-reality-tv-real/71001854/
"One hopes TLC is doing some soul-searching. At least two other "Life Surprises" series — "Jon & Kate Plus 8" and the "Toddlers & Tiaras" spinoff "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" — have publicly exploded. Jon and Kate Gosselin began a messy and highly publicized divorce two years after their series premiered, and TLC dropped "Honey Boo Boo" last year after it was revealed that Mama June was dating a convicted pedophile.
But life continually surprises in all areas of the reality demographic. Suicide, criminal conviction and divorce have plagued Bravo's "The Real Housewives" franchise. Meanwhile, death and injury have become a legitimate hazard on survival-oriented programming, and keeping up with the woes of TV's many teen moms is nearly impossible....
We want self-portraits, but we prefer them Photoshopped. We want to peer into other family's lives, but we want it to be effortless and entertaining. We want drama and conflict, but keep it light and petty, please. If it turns dark and ugly, we howl with shock and outrage.
Should the Duggars have set themselves up as an example of family life, especially without acknowledging their son's misconduct? No. But for us to watch any reality program at this point under the assumption that what we see is somehow less fictionalized than a scripted drama is absurd.
Any otherwise intelligent society where people exuberantly and repeatedly live-tweet a show in which people compete to sell themselves in marriage is far too dependent on glass accents to throw too many stones. There are many legitimate life surprises. But that many families have disturbing secrets, and that reality show participants are often screwed up are not among them."
Perhaps the presence of Kate Gosselin’s bodyguard at Josh and Anna Duggar’s former house is evidence that TLC hasn’t cut ties with the Duggars just yet. Steve Neild isn’t a fulltime bodyguard for Josh and Anna, but they likely used his services because Josh isn’t exactly the most popular man in America right now.
Even though the molestation scandal played a part in Josh Duggar losing his job in D.C., it looks like he was planning on moving back to Arkansas long before his past crimes came to light. According to the Daily Mail, Josh and Anna Duggar purchased a five-bedroom house in Siloam Spings, Arkansas, back in January. There were subtle hints that the Duggars knew that someone was digging into Josh’s dark past, so perhaps he bought the house after he realized that his life was about to be turned upside down. It’s also possible that Josh was planning on moving back to Arkansas to run for political office — this would be the next logical step to take after stumping for conservative candidates as a Family Research Council employee.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2158204/josh-duggar-and-anna-duggar-moving-closer-to-joshs-victims-with-help-from-kate-gosselins-bodyguard/#QuFzhLXDzqOE3epF.99
More from People, TLC obviously not giving up.
Now that Jessa Seewald has said her piece about the scandal that had her and the rest of the expansive Duggar clan lying low for weeks, she has moved on to happier family tidings.
The 19 Kids and Counting star shared the first photo of her unborn child with husband Ben, announcing that "Baby Seewald" is nearly five months along.
"Your daddy and I love you soooo much," Jessa captioned the photo on Twitter, which she also posted on Instagram.
According to the legal documents, Cardwell and her daughter Kaitlyn, 3, had legal agreements in place that often provided ten percent stakes in any money brought in from Here Comes Honey Boo.
For example, “Mrs. Shannon’s family appeared in at least 45 episodes that aired,” reads the lawsuit. “At least 35 of these episodes were hour episodes, which entitled Anna and Kaitlyn’s trusts to at least $65,625.00 each and at least ten of these episodes were half hour episodes, which entitled Anna and Kaitlyn’s trusts to at least $12,500.00 each.”
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Karen Kaufman said... 123
I'm not sure why we are comparing the Duggars' awfulness to Kate's. Kate Gosselin is a horrible, horrible person. Period. That fact stands alone.
June 10, 2015 at 8:55 PM
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Yes, she has her own distinct odor.
If InTouch was getting all this info using the FOIA, why wasn't Fox getting it?
Oh yeah, that's right. They were just doing an infomercial for the Duggars.
No point in looking into things.
How special, Jessa Seewald's fetus pictures are newsworthy. More evidence of how People and TLC are in bed together. Is the announcement of that spin-off about to happen? Just when you think TLC's moral compass could not go any lower . . . .
And to whoever is floating the argument that Anna Duggar's doctors should be barring Josh from the delivery room, let me point out that while his situation is definitely not good, there is nothing to indicate he has abused his children. The notion he should be kept from a delivery room is ludicrous. I think we should definitely keep our perspective here.
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PA Dutch Mom said... 109
Milo tweeted that they are having bad storms and hail. I was listening to the national weather reports and Atlanta is under the gun right now.
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Good catch, PA Dutch Mom!
Once Milo said a tornado had gone through her area. The only tornado in the US that day was in central Georgia near Macon (Bibb County). I don't think it was actually in Macon. I just noticed Macon being nearby.
On Tuesday, heavy storms with wind, rain, and hail struck Georgia "south of I-20, including parts of Coweta and Fayette counties, south Atlanta, and Rockdale, Clayton and Henry counties."
Milo is also a huge Atlanta fan. Can't you imagine her being the obnoxious home team fan, the one who grates on everyone's nerves? Even other Atlanta fans? lol.
I know that once someone said Milo lived in Kentucky or Tennessee (can't remember which), but I propose that the mysterious Milo lives in North Central or Northwestern Georgia between Macon and Atlanta, but closer to Atlanta.
And yes, I AM trying to avoid my real work. : )
If InTouch was getting all this info using the FOIA, why wasn't Fox getting it?
Oh yeah, that's right. They were just doing an infomercial for the Duggars.
No point in looking into things.
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Fox did file their own FOIA request but for some reason was denied.
Megyn then proceeded to blast the media for making an identical request.
Oh you bet TLC is behind the People magazine push on those poor, sweet Duggar girls. Pretty convincing proof TLC is seriously considering a spin off. Unfortunately, most people don't see the connection of TLC using People to spin.
With a readership of 46.6 million adults, People has the largest audience of any American magazine.[3] People had $997 million in advertising revenue in 2011, the highest advertising revenue of any American magazine.
People 's editors claim to refrain from printing pure celebrity gossip, enough to lead celebrity publicists to propose exclusives to the magazine, and evidence of what one staffer calls a "publicist-friendly strategy".
This has the audio of the 911 call:
http://www.wfmynews2.com/story/news/nation/2015/06/11/duggar-family-arkansas-911-call-state-officials-denied-access-child-molestation/71053510/
InTouch was a lot smarter in their approach regarding FOIA, using local attorneys to file their request. Outsiders are looked upon with suspicion in places like that.
They're only talking about one child. They said they need to see the child, not the children, which makes me think as others have said their case is only about Josie.
Good lord these parents. Did an amazing job my ass.
I always thought Milo lived near Atlanta. I lived there for 15 years and the photos she has posted are typical of the vegetation and types of rocks found there.
Is there some concern Josie is not getting proper medical care? What is her issue? I don't know anything about her birth and problems.
InTouch was a lot smarter in their approach regarding FOIA, using local attorneys to file their request. Outsiders are looked upon with suspicion in places like that.
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Yes using a state attorney was a great idea.
Fox might have done something as simple as forgot one little line on the form that was blank and it could be rejected.
Is there some concern Josie is not getting proper medical care? What is her issue? I don't know anything about her birth and problems.
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I know she has a lot of medical issues including seizures.
If you ever skim a fundie forums for fun in your spare time, families often have run ins with CPS. They want to pray away their problems sometimes at the expense of their child's health and safety.
They're usually arrogant about it. A typical fundie family like them might not listen to authorities when they ask them to evacuate during a flood, might have a home birth with a high risk pregnancy and refuse to let a social worker see the baby afterward, or might have a kid with serious medical needs they are either praying away or not giving proper treatment to.
It's pure speculation this is about Josie but she's the most logical inference, especially when they were very clear their case is only about one kid. Which begs the question, what triggered THIS case?
Is there some concern Josie is not getting proper medical care? What is her issue? I don't know anything about her birth and problems.
Josie was extremely premature. It is not unusual for extreme preemies to suffer ongoing medical issues.
There's a famous CPS case from northern California that someone wrote a book about, about a Hmong family who had a child with severe seizures. The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down.
They didn't provide proper western medical treatment to their child with seizures because their culture had their own way of doing it. They did things like shamans and so on and as I recall they felt their child was gifted or special because she had this, like a queen.
The book I think was written to make you feel extreme sympathy for the family but I just was having a hard time going there. I really don't care what your religion is, if you have a very ill child it's your responsibility to provide that child proper care. The child did make it to adulthood thanks to court intervention, but died when she was 30.
@Kateplusmy8: Mother of teenagers: I buy everything yet nothing is mine. #MomProbs
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I thought she bought them stuff so that she could take it away. TFW buys everything with the money that the kids have earned so it really is theirs to begin with. #MomProbs my ass.
I did go and watch the video clip TLC aired of the seizure. Shame on them.
GAWD, Michelle is scary. I mean like something out of a Stephen King novel. She gave me the creeps.
I wonder. If TLC had not been filming, would 911 been called? Because I read if the seizure lasts more than 5 minutes you have to call 911. The boy who was with Josie recognized it as a seizure right away, so it must happen with some frequency? Michelle really downplayed it. She is so unemotional.
I watched the seizure clip- what a thing to film! Why on earth did they have Josie over a sink near taps she could bang her head on ?She should have been on her side so as not to choke on vomit. If she had seizures before surely they would have been told this? It didn't look like they were doing anything for her to bring her temp down other than to remove her pants.Maybe they were cooling her off with the taps, idk.I never saw this before- don't watch much of that show.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 142
They're only talking about one child. They said they need to see the child, not the children, which makes me think as others have said their case is only about Josie.
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Isn't it possible that they were there because one of Josh's victims is still a minor and living in that house? Wouldn't they want to ask the child if she's ever alone with her molestor? Perhaps this was a routine follow-up visit from the original case? Perhaps that case doesn't close until the child is no longer a minor? I don't even know if this is possible. I've never had dealings with these kinds of agencies.
GAWD, Michelle is scary. I mean like something out of a Stephen King novel. She gave me the creeps.
Oh that's is so exactly it, TLCS!!! Michelle is "Stephen King scary", lol! And Jana, the oldest daughter, is probably an escapee from the Stepford Wives film.. And Jim Bob, I could swear, is the long lost child of Howdy Doody. and Shrek's donkey.
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My guess is Josh was staying at his parents home and they were there to see Mackenzie, Josh's daughter.
I don't understand holding her over the sink either. One of the EMT's said she had some vomit. The child was choking. Her lips were blue. And whose mother was that there? She walked away instead of helping her grandchild.
Re college age and teen girls being fans of Jessica Lange, Jessica has starred in every edition of American Horror Story so far and is very popular with fans of that show. Emma Roberts and Evan Peters and Matt Bomer and Gabourie Sidibe are just a few of the young stars on the show, along with talented veterans like Jessica Lange, Kathy Bates, Angela Bassett, and Michael Chiklis.
my college age daughter also says piers are saying Caitlyn Jenner looks like the love child of Jessica Lange and Lana del Ray.
LOL. I thought the house was "mine, all mine". And the cars. And the jewelry. Oh, and those hidden bank accounts.
Sounds like there is rebellion underfoot at the Konpound.
The boy who was with Josie recognized it as a seizure right away, so it must happen with some frequency?
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Josie has "febrile" seizures and happen almost every time she has a fever which could happen if she has a cold or something more serious with a higher temp. They said they hope she eventually out grows them. With as many as she's had and from the sound of it, as often, too, I'd be surprised if all the kids haven't seen it and know to call for help if they don't resolve quickly.
I see TFW is trying on her "just a regular mom" hat, by complaining
about her teenagers. It's your JOB to get them things they need
that aren't for you. And in 22 short months, you will have 8
teenagers under your roof, so you'd better get used to it.
Did Gladys reply yet, with some sage advice, or to cluck-cluck
in sympathy?
And to whoever is floating the argument that Anna Duggar's doctors should be barring Josh from the delivery room, let me point out that while his situation is definitely not good, there is nothing to indicate he has abused his children. The notion he should be kept from a delivery room is ludicrous. I think we should definitely keep our perspective here.
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I agree. I can't see that happening. I don't know where that assumption started, if it's a rumor circulating the internet or what, but it's so preposterous that it shouldn't even be put out there.
This is the place Kate and the kids stayed at while in Mexico.
GenerationsResorts @GenerationsRes · 1h1 hour ago
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GenerationsResorts @GenerationsRes · 1h1 hour ago
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Looks like this place is using Kate to advertise their resort. I wonder if they comped her stay, so that they could later use her in their promotions.
https://www.facebook.com/GenerationsResortsandHotels/timeline?ref=page_internal
This is their website.
http://www.generationsresortshotels.com/hotels/Generations_Riviera_Maya.html
This is their promotional website naming all the celebs who have been there. Kate hasn't been added yet.
http://celebrationsatgenerations.com/
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 67
Absolutely not. Absolutely NOT. I can't stand when these missionary types put their own children at risk in the name of God. Do what you like with your own life but don't put your child at risk. They think they can just pray it away, and they can't. I know a missionary who was separated from his children, three GIRLS, for days while he was thrown in jail for preaching Christianity in Burma. The girls were terrified, and who knows what could have happened to those kids while in custody. Freaking pisses me off.
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Coming out of lurker mode and stepping on my soapbox...
I couldn't believe Jill even attempted a home birth at 42 weeks gestation. When she reached 41 weeks, I knew she was going to have a c-section. The People article about the birth was peppered numerous times with her mentions of her birth plan and how the birth didn't go as planned.
Somehow, elaborate birth plans and having a painkiller free home birth in a blow up pool or a tub has become the Holy Grail of childbirth. Not having a healthy baby and safe delivery for mom. I have visited a few friends and family members in the hospital who were holding a completely healthy baby, yet they were crying because they didn't get their planned dream birth.
The generations of people who lived in the pre-vaccine era and who experienced losing their mother in childbirth are becoming few and far between. We are lacking their wisdom and their shared experiences of what life was like during that time in America. It's become much easier for people to pretend that vaccines were simply invented to line the pockets of Big Pharma, and safe hospital deliveries are for the ignorant minions.
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Right: I think a hospital is the place to have a baby- they have all the drugs and equipment if things go wrong, as they quite often can. No one's birth plan really happens exactly as you plan it- or rarely! I had to have an emergency C-section after 12 hrs of labor with my son since his cord was wrapped around his neck and he could have been oxygen- deprived- he needed plain O2 after birth. What if I had been at home? I might have had a brain-injured baby.
And to me, you wouldn't have a gall bladder removed with no analgesic- why refuse pain meds/epidural for childbirth which hurts, when they do not harm the baby? JMO
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I'm glad you came out of lurker mode. Well said. I hope you'll continue to post.
The generations of people who lived in the pre-vaccine era and who experienced losing their mother in childbirth are becoming few and far between. We are lacking their wisdom and their shared experiences of what life was like during that time in America. It's become much easier for people to pretend that vaccines were simply invented to line the pockets of Big Pharma, and safe hospital deliveries are for the ignorant minions.
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Amen, amen, amen.
I was just at my drug store picking up antibiotics (my cold exited stage left, and bacterial infection entered stage right, ugh) and they had a prominent sign about the diseases that are on the rise because people just don't get it through their thick heads that they, or their special, precious little snowflakes, need to get vaccinated so they don't turn into Typhoid Mary!
It's bad enough that Jinger or whomover has been tasked with raising up Michelle's babies, but to- burden a sibling with raising a child with the aftermath of being a micropremie is particularly f*cked up.
Only to be made more despicable by Michelle and Jim Boob refusing to use birth control.
Kyndle (363) I have to applaud your statement!
I'm old enough I can remember relatives telling me about the bad old days. Two of my mother's older siblings died before age 3 of vaccine preventable diseases. One aunts only child died age3 from diphtheria. In Monday he was fine and playing like usual, on Thursday he was dead.
That people article about the birth mentioned they finally went to the hospital when they saw meconium in the making amniotic fluid. That is the initial bowel movement, seeing it means the fetus is in distress already, and if the fetus inhaled it they can have life threatening respiratory problems. All I could think reading that piece was "are all these women crazy? Do they want this kid to die? "
Kyndle, hello. I appreciated your post very much.
Only to be made more despicable by Michelle and Jim Boob refusing to use birth control.
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Isn't she pregnant yet? What's wrong?
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 145
InTouch was a lot smarter in their approach regarding FOIA, using local attorneys to file their request. Outsiders are looked upon with suspicion in places like that.
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Yes using a state attorney was a great idea.
Fox might have done something as simple as forgot one little line on the form that was blank and it could be rejected.
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I think Fox asked for the city police report after there was a court order to destroy it.
I read somewhere the the Arkansas FOI act only applies to requesters who are resident in Arkansas. That's why In Touch used a local attorney. They also used a local attorney to get their interview with the state trooper; apparently they said it was in regard to "an investigation" with no more details.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 17h17 hours ago
Mother of teenagers: I buy everything yet nothing is mine. #MomProbs
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Seriously? These kids have been working for 10 years and "Kate" buys everything?
Sorry, hon, your kids are providing for themselves.
GAWD, Michelle is scary. I mean like something out of a Stephen King novel. She gave me the creeps.
lol!! Yes, she is a bit shuddersome!
I've seen those bug eyes and heard her voice on interviews, but I never really sat down and watched a show, nor have I seen the house. I recently looked at photos of the house, and gosh darn, it is butt ugly. From the outside it reminds me of Bates Motel, and the parents fit right into a nightmarish movie. I was looking for the "Office" and "Vacancy" sign and Tony Perkins lurking around in the bushes.
Isn't it possible that they were there because one of Josh's victims is still a minor and living in that house? Wouldn't they want to ask the child if she's ever alone with her molestor?
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It's possible, but typically if there is sex abuse they will be concerned about all the children in the home whether they were the victim or not. But in a medical neglect case it's more common to distinguish the ill child from the siblings because their circumstances are different. A parent who can't handle a child's special needs might do just fine with a healthy child. It's not uncommon for just the ill child to be detained sad as that is. That's why I'm putting my money on this case being mostly about an ill child and nothing more.
It wouldn't surprise me a bit if Ma and Pa Dugger, hoping to deflect, announce they are expecting their 20th and TLC announce they will be continuing with the show....without sponsors of course.
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Blowing In The Wind said... 161
And to whoever is floating the argument that Anna Duggar's doctors should be barring Josh from the delivery room, let me point out that while his situation is definitely not good, there is nothing to indicate he has abused his children. The notion he should be kept from a delivery room is ludicrous. I think we should definitely keep our perspective here.
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I agree. I can't see that happening. I don't know where that assumption started, if it's a rumor circulating the internet or what, but it's so preposterous that it shouldn't even be put out there.
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I agree. The argument starts with "doctors are mandated reporters". While that's true, I believe that doctors are expected to report things that they see that are suspicious: unusual injuries, old (heated) untreated fractures detected while looking at something else, burns, conditions that have been untreated for a long time (looking at you, Kate), etc. I don't think they are expected to report or react to things that they read online or in the supermarket tabloids.
KyPastor said... 88
Thankfully most mainstream denominations require some sort of accredited degree from a seminary, etc.
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The Presbyterian Church USA is about as mainstream as they come. We are required to have a 4 year college degree and a 3 year Seminary degree in order to be ordained and lead a congregation. Seminary is comparable to law school in intensity and cost.
Presbyteries (like a diocese) set minimum salaries for their own ordained clergy, but churches may pay more if they are able.
I am only saying this to point out that clergy in mainstream churches have earned the protection of the denomination. There are several safety nets in place to assure a young person earns a livable salary for the area where they live. Non denominational churches can make no such promise.
If Mr. Seewald chooses the ministry, I hope he is successful. It is a life full of blessings. Most clergy are happy in their work. I know I am.
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I was raised Catholic, so I know that anyone who wants to become a priest has to get a 4-year college degree and then attend another 4 years of seminary school. I have no info on what a priest can earn, but I knew that their housing was provided to them, and I think their salary is on the low side, because they also take a vow of poverty. So they get paid, but not a whole lot.
I think Ben Seewald may have to re-evaluate his immediate career plans if TLC chooses to cancel the show or any spin-offs. He has a wife and a baby on the way, and no source of income. Either he will have to ask JimBob to support the three of them, or he has to get out there and find a job that will pay the bills right away. He did have a small windshield repair business in his home town. Perhaps he will try to start one up where they are living now. I'm not sure if that will generate enough income to support a family of 3, but if they don't have to pay rent, maybe so.
I have worked to earn my own money since I was about 14, cleaning houses at first, then getting a job as a store clerk at age 16, and then working for an insurance agent once I graduated high school. I attended my local junior college and paid for my courses and text books. I lived at home until I was 19, and then I moved out to a town about 7 hours away. I was 19, found a full time job with an attorney, earned $900/month (which I thought was a very good sum!), found a one-bedroom furnished apartment in an old Victorian, and lived quite happily. So I can't really relate to having rich parents who provided a home rent-free to me (besides their own home until I moved out). I can't relate to being given an expensive trip to France, or thinking at age 19 or 20, that I was an expert on anything, or qualified to give advice or preach to others about how to live their own lives. But I do know a lot about working hard, earning my own money based on my education, skills and hard work, and not relying on others to continue to give me a cushy ride in life. Perhaps Jessa and Ben are up to the challenge.
Kyndle, hello. I appreciated your post very much.
Me, too!
Hi Kyndle and glad you jumped into the conversation :)
You said:
"Somehow, elaborate birth plans and having a painkiller free home birth in a blow up pool or a tub has become the Holy Grail of childbirth. Not having a healthy baby and safe delivery for mom. I have visited a few friends and family members in the hospital who were holding a completely healthy baby, yet they were crying because they didn't get their planned dream birth"
I know many people have had successful home births, and as long as things go smoothly, that's fine and dandy. But things don't always go smoothly, so I just hope anyone planning a home birth also has a back up plan ready (car gassed up and ready to head to the hospital!)
As for me, my main goal was simply to have a healthy baby, and emerged unscathed myself. I was more than happy to take full advantage of all the medical advances available to me, including having a hospital birth. Having a baby shouldn't be some competition to see who can be the crunchiest about it.
Kate is a twit said... 162
This is their promotional website naming all the celebs who have been there. Kate hasn't been added yet.
http://celebrationsatgenerations.com/
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I noticed that as well. Most of the celebs are Kate-class reality TV "stars". Joey Fatone is their biggest "star"!
The storm that come through where I am is the same line of storms that hit Milos. It was bad. Heavy rain, thunder and very bad crackling lightning.
Looked like someone was outside was flipping the light switch up and down like a maniac.
From MSN:
Michelle Duggar made an eyebrow-raising comment when she said that Josh is actually being victimized more by the press than any of his victims were by him.
"In our hearts before God, we haven't been keeping secrets," Michelle said. "We have been protecting those that honestly should be protected. And now what's happened is that they have been victimized by people with an agenda, and for whatever profit they think they are going to get. One thing I know that God is going to use all of this for good."
Oh, Michelle, yes you have. For years.
It's possible, but typically if there is sex abuse they will be concerned about all the children in the home whether they were the victim or not. But in a medical neglect case it's more common to distinguish the ill child from the siblings because their circumstances are different. A parent who can't handle a child's special needs might do just fine with a healthy child. It's not uncommon for just the ill child to be detained sad as that is. That's why I'm putting my money on this case being mostly about an ill child and nothing more.
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I get the impression that Michelle has never been a hands-on mom, so I wonder if CPS (or whatever they're called there) accepts an older/adult in-home sibling taking care of the child.
Because, obviously, that's the case here.
It's just amazing that a mother is allowed to pop out kids like a Pez dispenser and have her older kids raise the younger ones, and have so little direct involvement with their day to day lives.
About Kate's free vacay in Mexico- it's no surprise she was able to grift a freebie. It's a no brainer for places like that to offer their resort free of charge. The exposure with filming is worth it for them.
Kate had people offering to do her boob job! Recovery at their luxury spa resort included!
The kids-all 8 of them-were offered free schooling at some expensive place, but it was in Arizona, iirc.
The haterz on Twitter are crapping all over this resort in Mexico, and it's just dumb.
They give free vacations to "celebs" all the time and have zero concern for child labor laws or the fact that Kate abuses animals.
It's just amazing that a mother is allowed to pop out kids like a Pez dispenser and have her older kids raise the younger ones, and have so little direct involvement with their day to day lives.
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I sometimes wonder if she even knows all of their names, or if she has to stop and think, "Which one are you?"
Ha. I bet she's not happy the resort gave away where she stayed. If I had been Gina, I would pack my bags and tell Steve I'm coming too, LOL. Oh wait. That would cramp his style.
I don't know what TLC works out with the cost of their filming locations, but it will be soooo interesting how she accounts in the show going to a lavish resort just to hang at the beach, in another country.
Raise your hand if you think this is where a pap (or a guest) took those incriminating photos of her and Steve. That sure was an expensive vacation for TLC, LOL.
But I do know a lot about working hard, earning my own money based on my education, skills and hard work, and not relying on others to continue to give me a cushy ride in life. Perhaps Jessa and Ben are up to the challenge.
June 11, 2015 at 11:09 AM
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Same here, Millicent.
I remember once asking my mom for $1000 to get me out of a really tight spot. My gosh, that was such a huge, huge deal for me.
I think these children who are raised on reality tv have a warped sense of reality and have little impetus to work hard and wait to reap the benefits of hard work.
I mean, you're famous. Just do something stupid or outrageous, or get yourself on a D-list reality show and the money, trip and freebies will come pouring in.
Joey Fatone is a crazy-rich star who used to be in a crazy-popular mega boy band.
Way, way out of Kate's league.
Having a baby shouldn't be some competition to see who can be the crunchiest about it.
June 11, 2015 at 11:16 AM
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It seems that's what it's turned into, though. I mean, you have to out granola the next mom by having your baby in a tub full of gmo-free chia seed milk, followed by processing your placenta in a Vita-Mix and dehydrating it with the tears you cried when you released your first droplet of colostrum.
One has to wonder about a resort that needs to rely on a Z-list reality tv star for publicity...just sayin'.
Paula said... 189
One has to wonder about a resort that needs to rely on a Z-list reality tv star for publicity...just sayin'.
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K+8 has been pulling over 1 million viewers and she was just on Celebrity Apprentice.
I'd say she's got some juice.
rainbowsandunicorns said... 184
It's just amazing that a mother is allowed to pop out kids like a Pez dispenser and have her older kids raise the younger ones, and have so little direct involvement with their day to day lives.
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I sometimes wonder if she even knows all of their names, or if she has to stop and think, "Which one are you?"
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Michelle: Wait...wait...Don't tell me...(racking her brain)...It starts with a...J !!!!
I don't know what TLC works out with the cost of their filming locations, but it will be soooo interesting how she accounts in the show going to a lavish resort just to hang at the beach, in another country.
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I remember one show right before the divorce where Kate took a vacation with Mady and left Jon to take care of the other seven kids. Kate asked Mady where she wanted to go and Mady said, "San Diego," and Kate responded with "SOLD!" They were off and running. Just like that.
At the time I thought...who does that? Your daughter says she wants to go somewhere and you just pick up on a whim and fly wherever she wants to go? You fly across the country to a wonderful resort, film crew in tow, and get treated to a free trip. Talk about entitlement!
Tucker's Mom said...
It seems that's what it's turned into, though. I mean, you have to out granola the next mom by having your baby in a tub full of gmo-free chia seed milk, followed by processing your placenta in a Vita-Mix and dehydrating it with the tears you cried when you released your first droplet of colostrum.
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Bwahahahahah! That's AuntieAnn-worthy right there!
Just asking, but when did the episode of the kid having a seizure air? And wouldn't that episode have been in the can ages ago? Could CPS visit months after the fact, based on something they saw on t.v.?
K+8 has been pulling over 1 million viewers and she was just on Celebrity Apprentice.
I'd say she's got some juice
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For a Motel 6 maybe....
Tucker's Mom (#188), that was a riot! Somewhere Gwyneth Paltrow
is nibbling a free-range air cutlet, and feeling that somewhere in the
universe she has been dissed!
May I add that all of this must be Instagrammed, or else none of
the other moms will realize how superior you are to them.
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Joey Fatone is a crazy-rich star who used to be in a crazy-popular mega boy band.
Way, way out of Kate's league.
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I think he had some lean years, before the intermittent comeback of his crazy-popular band. I'm talking the years he was on Dancing With the Stars (2007), followed by hosting some pretty marginal TV shows (Celebrity Circus, The Singing Bee, etc). Some DWTS contestants experience a boost in their careers, some don't; he was one of the lucky ones.
But you're right that he is way way ahead of Kate in the celebrity rankings.
I remember one show right before the divorce where Kate took a vacation with Mady and left Jon to take care of the other seven kids. Kate asked Mady where she wanted to go and Mady said, "San Diego," and Kate responded with "SOLD!" They were off and running. Just like that.
At the time I thought...who does that? Your daughter says she wants to go somewhere and you just pick up on a whim and fly wherever she wants to go? You fly across the country to a wonderful resort, film crew in tow, and get treated to a free trip. Talk about entitlement!
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That was a ruse for Kate and Steve to get away and I believe, for Kate's boob job.
Tucker's Mom said... 171
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 17h17 hours ago
Mother of teenagers: I buy everything yet nothing is mine. #MomProbs
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Seriously? These kids have been working for 10 years and "Kate" buys everything?
Sorry, hon, your kids are providing for themselves.
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And also for their mother
K+8 has been pulling over 1 million viewers and she was just on Celebrity Apprentice.
I'd say she's got some juice
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Yeah, the fermented kind of juice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH54tnscA4U
Here's the seizure scene. Jeez, Janna has Josie and she has no clue what to do. She's holding Josie's head over the sink with the poor child supine, so if Josie vomited, she would have aspirated.
I wonder if Michelle and JB dialed back the traveling at all because of Josie. Michelle states that Grandma and someone daughter were the "in charge" people.
In charge of what? Being the paramedics when Josie seizes?
Clearly, Janna was put through hell being the person responsible for Josie as she's seizing.
And...ffs...Josie was turning blue because her airway was obstructed by vomit.
Clearly, clearly, the "in charge" people had no training in how to handle Josie's seizures.
But, hey, what a ratings grab!!!!!!!!!!
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