InTouch has a great breakdown post-interview of the Duggar's slant on the truth.
Among the eleven things the Duggars are still hiding, says the magazine, are:
- The Duggars waited over four years to get counseling for Josh.
- The child services investigation reports have never been released, despite the Duggars implying they were.
- The family likely has no leg to stand on in a lawsuit, as nothing improper was done. In fact it would have been illegal not to release the records.
- Judge Zimmerman, who ordered the records destroyed after they were already turned over to the media, made the order without properly giving the media an opportunity to contest her order. A law professor and former U.S. attorney called the court order "odd," pointing out that usually in such a situation the records are ordered sealed, not destroyed.
Realitytvkids.com adds:
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| The man behind the year's biggest reality show story: David Perel. |
- The Duggars outright said that the release of the information could have been a bribe, but don't have a shred of evidence to support such a malicious contention.
- Mike Huckabee, whom the Duggars quoted during the interview and count as a supporter, swiffered all traces of the Duggars from his web site just before the interview.
- The judge who ordered the records destroyed was appointed twice by Duggar (former) ally Huckabee.
Check out InTouch for more.
For more reading, check out why InTouch's investigation exposing one of America's most famous conservative-religious political families was of Pulitzer caliber. "Solid," says the editors at The Washington Post. Editor David Perel, who led the InTouch investigation, was nominated for a Pulitzer, though didn't win, in 2010 for his work on the John Edwards scandal. Nominations are typically announced in January.
1786 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 1786 Newer› Newest»Midnight, that was all scripted for Mady to say that. San Diego is where Kate wanted to go. And Steve went too.
But you're right that he is way way ahead of Kate in the celebrity rankings.
June 11, 2015 at 1:12 PM
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I happened to catch his house on MTV cribs, and yeah, he's got lots of money, even by Hollywood standards.
Coming out of lurker mode and stepping on my soapbox...
I couldn't believe Jill even attempted a home birth at 42 weeks gestation. When she reached 41 weeks, I knew she was going to have a c-section. The People article about the birth was peppered numerous times with her mentions of her birth plan and how the birth didn't go as planned.
Somehow, elaborate birth plans and having a painkiller free home birth in a blow up pool or a tub has become the Holy Grail of childbirth. Not having a healthy baby and safe delivery for mom. I have visited a few friends and family members in the hospital who were holding a completely healthy baby, yet they were crying because they didn't get their planned dream birth.
The generations of people who lived in the pre-vaccine era and who experienced losing their mother in childbirth are becoming few and far between. We are lacking their wisdom and their shared experiences of what life was like during that time in America. It's become much easier for people to pretend that vaccines were simply invented to line the pockets of Big Pharma, and safe hospital deliveries are for the ignorant minions.
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Also agree!
First world problems really. Go ask the women/girls from third world countries which kind of childbirth experience they'd prefer?
We've never had it so good, in all aspects of medicine. Another peeve of mine is these quack conspiracy theorists claiming there is a cure for all diseases, namely cancer. It's "big pharma" keeping it to themselves for profit, no profit in curing patients now is there? Chemikillz!!
Radar says:
But now, there are “no real plans for any spinoff at this point,” a network source told Radar about Jill and Derick Dillard and Jessa and Ben Seewald.
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Notice the statement says "at this point" so in my mind they have not ruled it out.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/kate-gosselin-hides-boyfriend-birthday/
TLC stinks said... 1
Midnight, that was all scripted for Mady to say that. San Diego is where Kate wanted to go. And Steve went too.
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Yes, and Mady didn't even say it! (or it wasn't filmed)
It was KHATE who relayed this conversation, on the couch, by herself.
And I don't think it was for the boob job Tucker, she had those puppies before that episode.
CPS can visit any time. We don't know if this was an initial visit or a follow-up visit of some sort. I find it very believable that a doctor could have reported them after Josie's seizure and ER visit. Maybe it appeared that the cameras were interfering with proper care. Maybe she had more issues than appeared on camera.
I find the Duggar system of older siblings raising younger siblings despicable. But I don't think there's anything illegal that CPS can address. When young children are in the house, someone of age 12 or so and up has to be there. They need food, clothing, and shelter. Being emotionally cold is not illegal.
saw this on my fb
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1399581390372615&set=a.1374806986183389.1073741826.100009623010771&type=1&theater
lol
franky
Radar has another stupid "Kate + Steve" post about Steve skulking around in the background in Mexico.
Umm...hello! Newsflash: Steve's been there filming the whole time!
Looks like a lather, rinse, repeat.
Birthday party. Kate trying to decorate a cake. That's always great for a laugh. Kate clubbing with a bff, pretending to meet guys.
Vanessa said... 6
TLC stinks said... 1
Midnight, that was all scripted for Mady to say that. San Diego is where Kate wanted to go. And Steve went too.
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Yes, and Mady didn't even say it! (or it wasn't filmed)
It was KHATE who relayed this conversation, on the couch, by herself.
And I don't think it was for the boob job Tucker, she had those puppies before that episode.
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Ah, then Madie was just Kate and Steve's beard.
Jeanne said... 7
CPS can visit any time. We don't know if this was an initial visit or a follow-up visit of some sort. I find it very believable that a doctor could have reported them after Josie's seizure and ER visit. Maybe it appeared that the cameras were interfering with proper care. Maybe she had more issues than appeared on camera.
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I also noticed that the "in charge" people panicked and had no clue how to help Josie. The first thing they did was call Scott? the producer to handle the situation.
I wonder how these crew members feel knowing damn well that the parents view them as baby sitters and guardians in their absence.
Also, can parents be out of state and have their children film in Arkansas? There was no legal guardian at the Duggar compound while JB and Michelle were in Illinois.
Again, the parents are traveling hither, tither and yon, and leave their kids kids behind on their compound to be filmed and keep the paychecks coming.
It's insane this is allowed in America.
I remember reading online about Josie's seizure and that it was going to be aired.
My first thought was why the hell did the camera crew keep filming? A child is having an emergency, and the first thing they do is make sure they get on tape?
Just shows that TLC and Figure 8 Films care more about getting the shot than they do about the welfare of their "talent".
Paul Petersen has addressed the Duggar situation in more detail.
https://www.facebook.com/minorcon
"Duggars and More, Part One of Two:
I am sickened by the official Arkansas reaction to the mess that is the television show called “19 Kids & Counting.” It’s Pennsylvania and “Jon & Kate + 8” all over again. State officials never visited the production site, never considered the whispers of abuse, never acknowledged the most visible television production in their State, and never even wondered how their published child labor laws might apply to this misbegotten production. “We never had a single complaint,” they say. Yeah, sure. 25 children engaged in broadcast media and they never showed up to see what the hell was going on? Let me be blunt: Someone’s head has got to roll. Laws were in place. Standards were set. The Duggar home was a studio.
But no one in authority showed up to check, let alone conducted a cursory background investigation. There is no excuse. Arkansas tilted toward the money instead of the welfare of children."
https://www.facebook.com/minorcon
Duggars Part Two of Two
“I told you so” is one of those expressions we’ve tried to avoid when it comes to the predictive ability of our group to warn about the consequences of Fame won young. Stage Parents tend to ignore us, and no group is more affected than they. Industry big-wigs (who should know better given their history) also turn a blind eye to our uncontaminated advice. Worst of all, however, are the members of our culture and the people who represent them, our Legislators.
As consumers of what passes for popular entertainment we are all, each of us, personally responsible for what enters our consciousness…via television, magazines, radio or internet. You expose yourself to this endless assault at your peril. Garbage In, Garbage Out.
Children have no defense against this invasion. They are incapable of informed consent. They are, in Law, owned by their parents. They are exempt from federal child labor laws if they are involved in “Entertainment.”
This Society persists in believing that children participating in the media are a protected Class; that a portion of their income is protected, that their work hours are limited, and their education is provided by their employers. It’s just not true.
The Legislators you vote into office won’t square off on this exemption to federal child labor laws in the entertainment world for a couple of reasons; Kids have no money and they don’t vote. The money is on the other side. Moreover, legislators and regulators are people…ordinary imperfect people and more than a few of them hide an unnatural attraction to children.
Here’s the rub. In Arkansas where the Duggar Family is produced there are Laws on the books that might have prevented the filming of this highly suspect family. But the Laws were ignored and went unenforced to this day. Kids under fifteen days aren’t supposed to work. Where are the work permits, because they’re required? What are the terms of employment and what official reviewed them? The kids are Homeschooled, but guess what, there are rules in that instance as well, including the Mandatory Reporting of suspected abuse of any kind.
We pay State and Local officials to enforce the Law. Where were they? This goes beyond mere human failings. This is official neglect.
If the minimal protections we imagine are extended to the most visible children in our culture had been present in the real Arkansas world then even a cursory background check of the Duggar family would have revealed the tawdry truth about this holier-than-thou example of reality television’s unceasing need to focus on the “unusual, the freakish, the abnormal.” Given the history of the broadcast entity, TLC that lives off these families, wasn’t it odd that past mistakes never entered the minds of the government entities that are, we believe, responsible for the most vulnerable citizens they represent. The exact opposite is the sad reality. I am told that the first post about the molestation within the Duggar world came to light in 2007 as a blog.
At least three female minors have been forced to keep their silence in the case of the Duggars, even as they were being portrayed as model children born into a near-perfect family. Big money was on the table. How dare anyone question the true motivations of a man who believes his wife is nothing but a breeder? 19 children? What is the essence of the unspoken message he presents to his off-spring, especially his male children? And what are the molested young daughters supposed to do when their innocent images are nationally broadcast and the family’s financial well-being is at stake?
https://www.facebook.com/minorcon
Duggars Part Two of Two(cont'd)
Did we learn nothing from the deliberately fabricated broadcasts of “John & Kate + 8?” How many times do we have to witness the unraveling of a famous television family before we demand common-sense action? “Honey Boo Boo” should never have made it past our first line of defense…background checks.
Don’t you see? If you want to know where the predators are concentrated just identify where children are routinely assembled: Consider Coaches, the Clergy, Social Services, Child Care, and Yes, the managers of professional children. Of more import are the Judges and Cops too-often rounded up in the rare Press reports of child pornography rings busted by reluctant authorities. For God’s sake, connect the dots. Who is watching the Watchers?
My friend, Alison Arngrim who labors tirelessly for Protect.Org reminds me that for every conviction of a predator an estimated 63 cases of prior instances of predation are believed to be part of that person’s sexual history.
Freedom of Speech and Artistic Freedom are lofty concepts indeed, but they do not apply to children. When you hire a child to act out your personal perversions you are not an Artist. The First Amendment was not crafted to protect the parent and producers involved in collaborative products that utilize minors. A novelist, a painter, a sculptor or a pamphleteer is, as an individual, by definition protected in his or her right to free expression. Not so the parent who sells their off-spring into the maw of popular entertainment. Not so the people involved in the wide-spread dissemination of the culturally-biased portrayal of childhood. Not so the people knowingly keeping secrets.
When children are put up for sale the rules change. If you don’t believe that the rules change depending on the medium then you see no difference between “Lolita” the Novel and “Lolita” the Movie. Am I speaking to the deaf?
Children in reality television deserve more protections than their counterparts in professionally- produced entertainment product, and as we’ve proven beyond any reasonably doubt, professional children are deliberately, woefully, dangerously under-protected on a national level.
The level of compensation is not the determinate, if compensation even exists. Either prove to me that the child you’re employing is protected to the best of your ability or don’t employ them. This isn’t a question of Law, but of Morality.
I’ve said it for years: There is such a thing as Dirty Money.
Paul Petersen, President Emeritus, AMC
Tucker's Mom said... 171
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 17h17 hours ago
Mother of teenagers: I buy everything yet nothing is mine. #MomProbs
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Seriously? These kids have been working for 10 years and "Kate" buys everything?
Sorry, hon, your kids are providing for themselves.
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But she's the one who submits the Amazon order and picks up the parcel at UPS. She doesn't say she actually pays for it from her money. She's the purchasing agent for Kateplusmy8inc.
A friend just shared a new dirty with me. John Perry who co-authored two of Mike Huckabee s books, was investigated in2012 for sexual battery of a female between age 11 and14. Statute of limitations had expired, but this action was referred to in Mr Perry s wife s divorce car. Also the Covenant Presbyterian Church in Nashville Tenn was sued by a parishioner for hiding Mr Perry crime. According to Buzz Feed news from link my friend sent me.
Mike Huckabee, friend of child molesters, Josh Duggar and John Perry, the campaign attack ads will say.
Has the Josie seizure episode been aired yet? I wonder if there was a backlash.
Where to start?
Filming a 5-year old child who is prone to seizures, having a seizure?
The parents leaving said seizure-prone child behind while they galavant afar, and have no one there at home who knows what the hell to do in case of an emergency?
Basically, leave the film crew in charge while they're gone?
Film the whole damn thing with the child pale, seizing, becoming cyanotic?
Are these people insane and you're damn right, Paul Peterson, where the f*ck are the state officials? Are they, too , shoving their heads up their own arseholes so they can claim total ignorance of the pimping and lack of parenting going on?
This is from the "About Us" section on Figure 8 Films website:
"We are storytellers. Accuracy is very important, as is sensitivity and respect for our subjects and our audience. Primarily, we tell stories about incredible people and challenging situations.
We consider ourselves "caretakers" of these people's stories. We are obliged to these people for allowing us into their lives. Quite often, when I ask our prospective characters why are they willing to do so, they tell me, "If I can help one other person get through a similar situation, then it's worth it”. We are fortunate that so many people are willing to share their stories and their experiences.
We hope we can help make the world a more understanding place through the telling and dissemination of these stories. We believe we can make a difference if we try.
It is a privilege and an honor to do this work. We are allowed to meet all kinds of amazing people - many of whom become lifelong friends. We see unbelievable sights - some which actually make it to tape - and we learn all sorts of interesting things on a daily basis - some which we actually remember."
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What a load of BS.
I don't care if one is a Republican or a Democrat, normal people don't usually align with child molestors.
bm
Tucker's Mom said... 11
I also noticed that the "in charge" people panicked and had no clue how to help Josie. The first thing they did was call Scott? the producer to handle the situation.
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I think the grandmother called 911 and was on the phone with the 911 operator. That's why she "disappeared" from the crowd around Josie. I think that was actually the right thing for her to do. Sometimes there can be too many people hovering over someone in distress. If I had been there I would also have dispatched some of the younger children to wait outside to meet the paramedics and guide them to the right place.
The one thing that seems strange to me is that the 911 operator didn't tell them to put her on her side (or patch them through to a paramedic who would tell them to do that). That's should be one of the advantages of 911 - you can get advice on what to do while you're waiting for onsite help.
I was once among the first on the scene of a rock climbing accident. Being the least nimble person around (I was pregnant at the time), I was dispatched to the parking lot to meet the emergency responders and show them the easiest way to the site of the accident. It was a very minor role, but under the circumstances it saved them a lot of time. The parking lot was at the top of a cliff and the accident was near the bottom, and I was able to show them how to get to it quickly and safely.
So Kate was a luxury resort in Cancun, followed by a brief stay at the Double Tree along Willow Street Pike, across the street from a retirement home and McDonalds. As much as I love Lancaster County, I am falling down laughing over this one.
"We are storytellers. Accuracy is very important, as is sensitivity and respect for our subjects and our audience. Primarily, we tell stories about incredible people and challenging situations.
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Is having sex with your car a challenging situation? I guess so -- if it's leaking oil when you're consummating the act.
"Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 17h17 hours ago
Mother of teenagers: I buy everything yet nothing is mine. #MomProbs"
It's only fair. You buy everything with their money.
"Has the Josie seizure episode been aired yet? I wonder if there was a backlash."
Yeah, it aired. There was a lot of negative comments online.
It's good to hear from Paul Peterson. He must be so frustrated at TLC.
You can tell by the tone of Paul's comments that he is more than clearly upset over this. And yet we have the sheeple on Kate's twitter page, the Carlenes, the Denises, the Milos, the Emilys, and the teenyboppers of fandom who see absolutely nothing wrong with trotting out these kids, putting them on circus act exhibition. You just have to wonder what's going on in their heads...why they condone it and, in fact, eagerly anticipate being amused by kids who have absolutely no say in all of this.
What in the heck is wrong with these people? I'm sure Paul has done a lot of head banging over this, trying to figure out why there are those in society, such as the networks and the viewers who gleefully watch working children being paraded around for the pleasure of these sheeple with no regard for the protection or invasion of privacy of the minor children involved.
There is no answer; there is no end to this. In their pursuit of fame and fortune, parents will continue to exploit their children, and there will always be dingbat sheeple who, in their ignorance, will continue to support them. The networks see money. The parents see money. Kids be darned.
Midnight, that was all scripted for Mady to say that. San Diego is where Kate wanted to go. And Steve went too.
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How do you know that? What would Kate find fascinating about San Diego? Wouldn't she have preferred someplace tropical, like a Caribbean cruise or a more exotic place like Mexico or the Bahamas? I would think that since the kids were there before, and there's the zoo, that Mady may very well have wanted to go to SD.
So TLC brags about their "sensitivity and respect" for their subjects,
but feel it's in some way appropriate to air a small child having a
MEDICAL EMERGENCY in what should be the privacy of her
own home. It's now documented for posterity -- a little girl at her
most physically vulnerable moment, acting in a manner over
which she has no control. No sensitivity, no respect, and
certainly no dignity for that poor innocent kid, who most
assuredly didn't consent to having her condition aired for the
world to see. I am absolutely sickened by TLC.
Cristina Rich @Sienna_Star 3h3 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 @TLC The big 4-Oh is nothing compared to the big 5-0h! I'll be in December. Not looking 4ward 2 it.
This fan is 50? Good grief. I thought she was a kid. She's married, but watches Peppa Pig on You Tube and has tea parties for her American Girl dolls.
Kate really does attract some odd ones!
By the way, Kate, Berks has a Code Orange alert going right now. Air pollution concentrations are unhealthy. Just passing that info along, since Milo isn't doing her job.
Emily Creighton @EmCr68 · 21h21 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 facebook just reminded me that it was four years ago today that we met!😳 My how time flies! Ugh so young! 😉😂😜 Miss you! Xo
8:01 PM - 10 Jun 2015
I guess math isn't one of Emily's better subjects. She met Kate THREE years ago at the Litchfield Road Race, June 10, 2012.
Kate Twit (19): "What a load of BS."
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Perfect example of meaningless gobbledygook.
So TLC brags about their "sensitivity and respect" for their subjects,
but feel it's in some way appropriate to air a small child having a
MEDICAL EMERGENCY in what should be the privacy of her
own home. It's now documented for posterity -- a little girl at her
most physically vulnerable moment, acting in a manner over
which she has no control. No sensitivity, no respect, and
certainly no dignity for that poor innocent kid, who most
assuredly didn't consent to having her condition aired for the
world to see. I am absolutely sickened by TLC.
June 11, 2015 at 4:59 PM
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Compared to putting a sick, puking kid on a cold floor, Kate looks like Florence Nightingale.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 115
I was watching something about the Ariel Castro kidnappings and Gus Van Zant who is a popular talking head was on. He is a former FBI agent. Gus said that they've found that the longer a criminal gets away with a crime the more brazen and careless they get.
It reminded me of the Duggars. They kept Josh's crimes a secret for so long that they thought they could basically do anything. They have gotten more self righteous over the years, have been more active politically and have spoken out more and more about other people's values and choices. It struck me that this is exactly what happened to the Duggars, the longer they got away with it the more arrogant they became.
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Katie must be feeling some of that "wait these lies and actions got me rich before, why is it different now?". People say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Kind of the opposite here. Katie and the Duggars are doing and saying what they always have but it's..... not.....working anymore. Life taught Katie that she can be a lazy, lying, controlling, mean, greedy shrew and she'd be rewarded. Now she's the same as ever but the results are different. No more daily camera crew, production meetings and paparazzi. No more traveling around the country to talk to packed crowds about yourself all the while hauling in love offerings and a Rat Claws at your beck and call. Her phone isn't ringing off the hook with magazine cover shoots and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of freebies. Even having eight kids, two sets of multiples, SEXTUPLETS for gosh darn sakes, isn't as much fun. They can't pass for kindergarteners, sitting in high chairs, dressed the same. They have opinions and thoughts that vicious spankings and screaming can't beat down anymore. Poor Katie. She's doing nothing different, expecting the same results and the world is still going insane.
Don't forget the Duggars filming their child after he fell into an orchestra pit. People have been killed in similar falls, and had he hit his head just right he could have been done for. I wonder if DCFS heard about that one too.
Don't forget the Duggars filming their child after he fell into an orchestra pit. People have been killed in similar falls, and had he hit his head just right he could have been done for. I wonder if DCFS heard about that one too.
Holy cow! Kate must have thought she died and went to heaven at that Cancun resort. Unbelievable place. The money TLC spent for that filming. Yikes. And then she films in Lancaster, LOL. But hey, she had TFM still at her side. Acting like he's her spouse and the kids are his. Really, Gina? While you are working your 9 to 5 job back in MD?
It seems that's what it's turned into, though. I mean, you have to out granola the next mom by having your baby in a tub full of gmo-free chia seed milk, followed by processing your placenta in a Vita-Mix and dehydrating it with the tears you cried when you released your first droplet of colostrum.
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Ew. I blame Mommy blogging and Facebook mommy posting. I think many people are naturally competitive, it's almost an evolution thing, but if you don't expose yourself to a bunch of other women doing it "better" it doesn't bring out the competition in you.
Blogging and FB constantly throw in your face how much better all the other mommies are doing it, some mommies you barely even know. It's one big competition now.
Try posting something on FB like "little Johnny won't sleep at night, should I let him just cry it out?", and watch the comments flow and subsequent fighting.
"TLC brags about their "sensitivity and respect" for their subjects"
And when Josie was born, there were episodes devoted to her tiny premature self in the hospital while her horrified siblings looked at her .
And at the Gosselins, there was
Colin's impacted bowel
the public potty training
I'm sure's there's more.
Sensitivity and respect, my foot.
If the Duggars weren't following medical instructions for Josie exactly it's very believable that doctors called CPS.
Seizure disorders are common for CPS to get involved in. You have to be so on top of it as a parent. You step out of line even once and they have to assume you'll mess up again with tragic results.
I get the impression that Michelle has never been a hands-on mom,
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Not at all. She's always on the sidelines with that goofy smile of hers sort of like the house manager, not the parent. The older girls have done a lot of the raising of their siblings and someday with a lot of therapy and introspection they may resent that.
Michelle's wrapped up in JimBoob. And now we see she puts him before her own kids, the way she let him run the show with the sex abuse stuff. I think she's nice to the kids and much more patient with them than Kate is to her kids, but is there a warm motherly connection there? No, not really.
Seizure disorders are common for CPS to get involved in. You have to be so on top of it as a parent. You step out of line even once and they have to assume you'll mess up again with tragic results.
June 11, 2015 at 5:29 PM
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Josie looked in extremis in that terrifying footage that her sick, ineffectual, negligent so-called mother called a "glitch".
Paul almost sounds at the end of his rope. Like he's about ready to just call it quits he's so frustrated.
Poor guy. I know how hard he works, to deaf ears, as he said.
Josie looked in extremis in that terrifying footage that her sick, ineffectual, negligent so-called mother called a "glitch".
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Someone, maybe you, said Michelle made comments about how Josie would hopefully outgrow this.
Maybe she will, but I can just say that a social worker will spin that comment like Michelle is minimizing, and in denial that this will just go away. That is exactly how comments like that will get spun to the judge, fair or not. My money is on a case with Josie, and I'm not at ALL shocked.
Josie looks like a very sickly child.
To see her seizing in her poor sister's arms, just helpless and in such peril, it makes me sick to my stomach that these parents and TLC saw fit to use it for ratings.
If leaving a child with a severe medical condition behind to film a reality television show while you as a parent are in another state is legal, then Arkansas has a real problem.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 33
Paul almost sounds at the end of his rope. Like he's about ready to just call it quits he's so frustrated.
Poor guy. I know how hard he works, to deaf ears, as he said.
June 11, 2015 at 5:34 PM
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I agree, and I hope Paul once again brings his considerable influence and connections to the state of Arkansas like he did in PA.
"I get the impression that Michelle has never been a hands-on mom,"
No she's not. I've read alot of Duggar snark for years, and she's into the child for as long as she's breastfeeding them then hands them off to a buddy so she can conceive again. She's more into the glory of motherhood than actual motherhood like Kate.
"Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 17h17 hours ago
Mother of teenagers: I buy everything yet nothing is mine. #MomProbs"
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I just have such a hard time finding comments like this cute or funny, and it's not because it's Kate who said them.
Kids are expensive, and they have a lot of needs. Yeah, you have to buy them shit. A lot of shit. If you don't like doing so, don't have kids. Be happy you have eight healthy children and have a wonderful streaming source of good income.
I think comments like that sound ungrateful. It's one thing to bellyache with girlfriends or your mother about the expense of kids, but she has 100,000 twitter followers she doesn't know from Adam.
It's so inculcated into the Duggar kids that the cameras are allowed to film anything that no one thought to tell the camera person to stop filming Josie.
I mean, my God, what if she died?
was once among the first on the scene of a rock climbing accident. Being the least nimble person around (I was pregnant at the time), I was dispatched to the parking lot to meet the emergency responders and show them the easiest way to the site of the accident. It was a very minor role, but under the circumstances it saved them a lot of time
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We've had to call 9-1-1 a couple of times for a diabetic family member, and each time they instructed us to have someone, if available, go wait outside for the ambulance to escort them to the victim. It can actually be a helpful role.
That's fine. But I also am dismayed that most of Josie's family seemed helpless to know how to help her. That's unacceptable. And aren't some of them studying to be in the medical profession?
Admin (#34), and I don't understand what relevance the child's
future condition has to do with right now. If lack of appropriate
medical supervision/care during that seizure resulted in head
trauma that caused irreparable damage, her outgrowing her
seizures later on seems to be a moot point.
That's fine. But I also am dismayed that most of Josie's family seemed helpless to know how to help her. That's unacceptable. And aren't some of them studying to be in the medical profession?
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Like watching the child turn blue while on her back, and not think to check the airway?
It was blocked by vomit!!!!
Josie is lucky to be alive. That kid needs to be in an environment with either parental supervision, or even better, 24-hour a day nursing care.
At her age, she is nowhere near clear of seizures.
"And aren't some of them studying to be in the medical profession?"
Jill was going to be a midwife. I think a couple of the children were EMTs or in the fire department. They had episodes about that.
Admin (#34), and I don't understand what relevance the child's
future condition has to do with right now. If lack of appropriate
medical supervision/care during that seizure resulted in head
trauma that caused irreparable damage, her outgrowing her
seizures later on seems to be a moot point.
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Exactly, it doesn't. You could outgrow lots of conditions, like asthma, it doesn't mean if you have a serious condition now it doesn't need serious attentive care NOW.
I'm virtually certain the CPS case is about Josie. They outed themselves as completely ill equipped to see to her needs in that episode. Michelle minimizes it by calling it a "glitch" and claims it's when you least expect it. (Wrong, there are warning signs, like by their own admission Josie not responding before it hits) In fact that episode may have prompted the call.
This is the youtube clip. The seizure went on TEN MINUTES. They sound defensive, and even the producer kind of seems helpless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH54tnscA4U
Oh here's another thing, it's not helpful that her sister was crying and praying and being hysterical.
Many kids report they are somewhat aware during their seizures. It must be terrifying for Josie if she is aware to see her sister losing it. You're supposed to remain calm and help the patient to stay calm, that's basic first aid 101. What a helpless family.
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I agree. The argument starts with "doctors are mandated reporters". While that's true, I believe that doctors are expected to report things that they see that are suspicious: unusual injuries, old (heated) untreated fractures detected while looking at something else, burns, conditions that have been untreated for a long time (looking at you, Kate), etc. I don't think they are expected to report or react to things that they read online or in the supermarket tabloids.
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Yes that's all true. They do however run your CPS record, at least where I live, and if you have a new baby and have a record, they'll give CPS a call just to let them know parents with a history have just had a baby. If Josh ever had contact with CPS it's on his CPS record and if they go to a hospital it's entirely possible CPS will be informed.
That doesn't mean he'll lose his new baby to foster care, but in CA that's the way the law is leaning. (Shaundale G., and other cases.)
That's one reason a small percentage of people with records will have home births. Less likely a midwife has access to that database. When I've seen moms who have already lost two or three kids to the system, it's not at all common for her to try to birth unassisted at home, hiding the baby from authorities as long as possible. Mother bear instincts kick in to keep that baby with you no matter what.
Brava Kyndle. Everyone needs a mic and a soap box now and then.
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Yes. I agree with everything you said Kyndle.
And aren't some of them studying to be in the medical profession?
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I'm surprised that they believe in the medical profession. I would think that they would just pray, thinking that if God wants to heal, He will. If not, it's God's will and the person just goes to the Great Beyond.
I'm surprised that they believe in the medical profession. I would think that they would just pray, thinking that if God wants to heal, He will. If not, it's God's will and the person just goes to the Great Beyond.
June 11, 2015 at 6:08 PM
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Some fundies believe in praying the problem away. If you ask for medical help it shows a lack of faith.
But all the girls had braces, didn't they. LOL (not sure about the boys, have never been a fan of the show).
State officials never visited the production site, never considered the whispers of abuse, never acknowledged the most visible television production in their State, and never even wondered how their published child labor laws might apply to this misbegotten production. “We never had a single complaint,” they say.
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What about Texas, with the Little People and Tenn with The Willis Family?
hmmmmmmm.......
They believe in praying it all away but they also believe in 19 kids and making sure they keep everyone alive and well to keep on filming. That's where medical science comes in.
These people never really think about how inconsistent they are with the "God's will" mantra.
What in the heck is wrong with these people? I'm sure Paul has done a lot of head banging over this, trying to figure out why there are those in society, such as the networks and the viewers who gleefully watch working children being paraded around for the pleasure of these sheeple with no regard for the protection or invasion of privacy of the minor children involved.
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Fans have no comprehension that reality shows aren't very real and no respect of children as sentient human beings. It's the same arguments the sheep give. The kids are just playing, they are living the same lives they would with no one filming, they get lots of money and trips, they're just kids so they have no real feelings and thoughts that count.
Yes that's all true. They do however run your CPS record, at least where I live, and if you have a new baby and have a record, they'll give CPS a call just to let them know parents with a history have just had a baby.
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Yes, but would they ban him from the delivery room? I wouldn't think so.
Yes, but would they ban him from the delivery room? I wouldn't think so.
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No, unless there was a court order he is not to have contact with the Mother or the children, either by a judge's order or a restraining order.
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Fans have no comprehension that reality shows aren't very real and no respect of children as sentient human beings.
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The fans act like they are characters, like how we discuss characters we love on The Walking Dead or Breaking Bad. That's just a fun fantasy, and the actors themselves usually quite enjoy fulfilling the fun fantasy.
This is nothing like that, but they can't seem to grasp the difference.
GAWD, Michelle is scary. I mean like something out of a Stephen King novel
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By George that's it!
Doesn't this whole thing feel sort of Stephen King -ish?
I was also thinking it has a totally creepy flowers in the attic vibe to it. This could be a completely creepy novel.
Sleepless In Seattle said... 56
I'm surprised that they believe in the medical profession. I would think that they would just pray, thinking that if God wants to heal, He will. If not, it's God's will and the person just goes to the Great Beyond.
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I think their belief in the medical profession is selective. Help in conception is A-OK, contraception the work of the devil.
I do wonder what they're learning at this fire department and Gothard emergency training sessions. Apparently, not much. You'd think if this was Josie's third or fourth seizure, they'd all have practiced what to do, and maybe have a crib sheet in case they had trouble remembering in the heat of the moment. Also, if the seizures are caused by a fever, they could try keeping an eye out for fever symptoms.
The EMT in the blue cap who actually took over for Josie looked like one of the Duggar boys to me. But then, we probably would have been told that if it was.
Good to hear from Paul Peterson. He's so passionate about this subject.
Crib sheets are a smart idea and should certainly be on hand for everyone caring for Josie.
I'm CPR and First Aid certified and although thankfully i've never really had to use it I carry a crib sheet in my first aid kit. I'm usually pretty level headed in emergencies but you never know, and I like the peace of mind knowing that I can pull it out if in the panic of the moment I forget everything.
In their case, whether or not they believe in the medical profession is beside the point, IMHO. They are too stupid to use it correctly, anyway.
MEEchelle almost died from pre-eclampsia during her pregnancy with Josie. Josie was born at 25 weeks and barely made it in this world after months of fighting for her life. And yet, that baby was barely weaned when Michelle tried to beat her personal birthing record with a 20th pregnancy.
Bumbling Jill (as Admin named her, lol...), the "midwife", tried to have a home birth at 42 weeks of pregnancy, had contractions for a full 48 hours, saw meconium on her pad at one point during her second day of labor, but never flashed that she had to get herself to a hospital as soon as possible. And then she tries to have us believe that a baby that size had move to transverse position during the labor. Total BS....
In her defense, she comes from a subculture that preaches semen gives you cancer,
Also, if the seizures are caused by a fever, they could try keeping an eye out for fever symptoms
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Maybe someone with better ears than I have can tell me if the EMT carrying Josie to the ambulance said "She's hot!" right before the put her inside.
If I heard that right, there WAS a clear sign of fever, and they knew she had seizures when she had a fever. Jana might have taken her to the sink with intent to cool her off. She never turned the water on, but cooling Josie down with wet towels might have been her first thought. Whatever, it was clearly beyond what anyone in the house was equipped to handle.
I have googled all over the place and can't find one single mention of crib sheets when seizures are discussed. Will someone please explain?
"Jana might have taken her to the sink with intent to cool her off. She never turned the water on, but cooling Josie down with wet towels might have been her first thought. Whatever, it was clearly beyond what anyone in the house was equipped to handle."
From what i understand, it was the 911 person who asked them to put Josie there so her head would hang lower than her body to open the trachea as wide as possible because she had vomit in her throat. I could be wrong, but if I'm right, all the older sisters responsible for her should've known that.
Like I said a couple of weeks back, Children of the Corn creepy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_the_Corn
I really don't think TLC put out a whole lot of money for the birthday bash in Mexico. From looking at the resort's FB page I think they throw the net out and invite a lot of celebrities and then comp them for the publicity. The resort was probably in 7th (8th) heaven when TLC decided to film for a birthday show. It's all about publicity.
fidosmommy said... 69
Also, if the seizures are caused by a fever, they could try keeping an eye out for fever symptoms
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Maybe someone with better ears than I have can tell me if the EMT carrying Josie to the ambulance said "She's hot!" right before the put her inside.
If I heard that right, there WAS a clear sign of fever, and they knew she had seizures when she had a fever. Jana might have taken her to the sink with intent to cool her off. She never turned the water on, but cooling Josie down with wet towels might have been her first thought. Whatever, it was clearly beyond what anyone in the house was equipped to handle.
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I think once the seizure had started, it was a bit late to cool her off with cloths. Contrary to what Michelle implied, I don't think children go from normal to high fever "just like that". They usually have flushing or "wet head" as the temperature begins to rise. If anyone was paying attention to her, they could have used wet cloths or tempera to control the fever before it got to seizure level.
With the number of adults and near-adults in that family, you'd think someone would be checking on her periodically.
It's awful to watch a child having seizures. My niece had them. Due to her whole condition, she had home nursing. The nurses were always busy taking care of her when she had them. If they went on too long, there's a strong medicine that can be administered rectally. She was in a hospital bed so we left her there. I have no idea why you would lift the child up near a sink. We always treated her like she could hear us. We would talk to her, sometimes I would hold her hand or stroke her arm. Afterward, we would put on calming music and try to get her comfortable. The cameras, lights, noise, chaos, how awful. That poor child. Do the parents even care or do they figure they have plenty of spares?
fidosmommy said... 69
Maybe someone with better ears than I have can tell me if the EMT carrying Josie to the ambulance said "She's hot!" right before the put her inside.
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It took me a few times, but I heard it too. Just as he was climbing into the ambulance, it sounds like he said "she's hot" and the guy who climbed in just before him said "she does have a fever". It's harder to hear "she's hot" because they've just switched over from Jana (Jana may even be talking over him).
And those two older girls yammer on about invasion of privacy. Disgusting.
What about their little sister? There's no reason film that, let alone show it on national tv. Poor little thing.
All the Duggar girls wear leggings or pants under their skirts. Surely none of them walks around the living room in her underpants. Josie was stripped down to her bare essentials by the time they got her to the sink.
They would know it was a true emergency if they started yanking her clothes off in a public room. And it took them how long to even think about calling 911? Seconds count. They probably had to shuffle all of the boys out of the room before they could even imagine taking off her leggings.
From the seizure clip, Jim Bob narrates ....
"Scott was just a few blocks away filming some of our kids when Josie had her seizure and so they quickly hurried over to our house and tried to help keep Josie alive."
Well thank you Scott. Did stroking her hair help?
What the hell does Scott have to do with anything? Why even mention that he came running over? He didn't do jack shit for the child.
I have googled all over the place and can't find one single mention of crib sheets when seizures are discussed. Will someone please explain?
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A crib sheet is like a cheat sheet tutorial with the instructions written down so you know exactly what to do in an emergency...just in case one gets nervous and excited and doesn't remember the procedure.
Remora Blue - maybe Admin meant "crib" as in "cheat" sheets.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 67
Crib sheets are a smart idea and should certainly be on hand for everyone caring for Josie.
Remona Blue said... 70
I have googled all over the place and can't find one single mention of crib sheets when seizures are discussed. Will someone please explain?
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LOL. I've been scratching my head over that one also, Remona. Then it hit me...isn't a "crib sheet" like a cheat sheet or instructions?
What the hell does Scott have to do with anything? Why even mention that he came running over? He didn't do jack shit for the child.
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JimmyBoober wanted to show that the crew is like family. Scott is their surrogate family daddy and is loved by all.
Auntie Ann, are you sure that wasn't "Scott was just a few blocks away filming some of our kids when Josie had her seizure and so they quickly hurried over to our house to film it, er, um, I mean and tried to help keep Josie alive."
You (generic, not Auntie) don't suppose they would possibly have waited to do anything, such as get an ambulance there, until the film crew arrived? Surely not. Please no.
I just did a little online reading on febrile seizures. The first rule is to stay calm. The child will likely be just fine. Second, place the child on her side. Third, do not try to hold the child down or even hold her at all. Stroke hair, use light finger touch on hands and arms to assure the child. Speak calmly.
Remona Blue said... 70
I have googled all over the place and can't find one single mention of crib sheets when seizures are discussed. Will someone please explain?
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A cheat sheet. A piece of paper with a list or outline of things to do. Probably no one meant a bedsheet for a baby crib?
Remona Blue said... 70
I have googled all over the place and can't find one single mention of crib sheets when seizures are discussed. Will someone please explain?
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Sorry about that. Crib sheets has two meanings. One is sheets you put on a child's bed. I originally used it in a different context to mean a sheet of paper with simplified instructions for doing something. The term comes from the "little notes" that cheating students try to sneak into exams. They're short aids to memory . There may be another name for them that avoids the confusion with the bedding crib sheets, but I'm darned if I can think of it.
I recently saw a crib sheet for recognizing and treating strokes. It is:
Facial drooping: usually on one side
Arm weakness: The inability to raise one's arm fully
Speech difficulties: slurring or can't speak or comprehend
Time is of the essence: call 911 immediately
I made up one for febrile seizures by reading the instructions on website
http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/febrile_seizures/detail_febrile_seizures.htm#260043111
I just picked out the main points:
Place child on floor or ground
Position child on back or side
Do not hold or restrain child
Clear mouth / don't put anything in mouth
Time the seizure: if over 10 minutes seek immediate medical assistance
Using this guide, you can see how they did. The one thing they absolutely did right was to call 911 immediately. That was really good in this case, because they did everything else wrong, except for not putting anything in her mouth.
If they'd studied what to do in case of a seizure, they still might have forgotten one or more key points in the heat of the moment. That's why you type up a crib sheet with the key points on it and have it handy.
DWINDLE said... 80 Remona Blue said... 70
I have googled all over the place and can't find one single mention of crib sheets when seizures are discussed. Will someone please explain?
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A cheat sheet. A piece of paper with a list or outline of things to do. Probably no one meant a bedsheet for a baby crib?
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Oh good grief!! A cheat sheet makes perfect sense now that I know it has nothing to do with a baby crib bedsheet! I'm having a good laugh at me driving myself nuts trying to find out exactly what use a baby crib sheet would be dealing with a seizure! Thank you Dwindle!
Remona,
I typed up a long thing on crib sheets but don't know if I lost it or not.
In case I did lose it, here's the scoop:
Crib sheets has two meanings"
1 - bedding for an infant's bed
2 - short bullet-point notes used to remind you of things you've already studied (comes from the notes cheating students use during exams)
I used it in the send sense. They should have studied what to do in case of a febrile seizure and written up the key points on a sheet of paper. They should have kept this handy to remind them of what to do and what not to do. It's hard to remember everything in the heat of the moment.
Thanks to everyone that explained a cheat sheet was also a ''crib sheet''. I suppose I should be embarrassed to have been so confused, but I'm laughing at myself too much!
Note: My "crib sheet" / cheat sheet / reference card for febrile seizures has an important error:
child should be placed on side or stomach, NOT BACK
I googled around and there are a bunch of pre-prepared guides for febrile seizures, but the one I did is the most complete. But wrong in that one important aspect.
One of the sheets (from Australia) specifically says not to cool them with damp cloths during the seizure, but to remove excess clothes. So they did that right as well.
Remona Blue said... 89
Thanks to everyone that explained a cheat sheet was also a ''crib sheet''. I suppose I should be embarrassed to have been so confused, but I'm laughing at myself too much!
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I'm the one who started it by using the phrase "crib sheet". I didn't think about the second meaning until I read Admin's reply saying she thought they were a good idea. I should have explained when I realized there was some ambiguity there.
At least we kept everyone amused, and busy writing their explanations, this evening!
Michelle Duggar actually said in one of her talking head segments on one of the last shows to air, that "I was married first, therefore my husband and my marriage will always come first"..... She openly admits that her children are not her first priority (b/c she was married first before having children?? Their cult-like lifestyle really makes no sense and is clearly harmful to the children!
Michelle Duggar actually said in one of her talking head segments on one of the last shows to air, that "I was married first, therefore my husband and my marriage will always come first"..... She openly admits that her children are not her first priority
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Wow, I hadn't heard that. That really struck me because guess what, my narcissist once said that too. That the marriage comes first before the kids. It was a real WTF moment for me.
I completely understand that you can't neglect your marriage just because you've had kids. But to say it comes FIRST is just wrong. Once you bring a child into the world that child needs to come first. That means if your husband isn't properly handling a crisis like sex abuse, you might have to make some tough decisions for your children's sakes. Time and time again I've heard judges say you have shown this court that you will choose the children's father over the children and that's why I can't send your kids home yet.
Is Michelle a narcissist?
Yes thanks everyone, Math Girl and I will be here all night!! Tee-hee.
AuntieAnn said... 79
From the seizure clip, Jim Bob narrates ....
"Scott was just a few blocks away filming some of our kids when Josie had her seizure and so they quickly hurried over to our house and tried to help keep Josie alive."
Well thank you Scott. Did stroking her hair help?
What the hell does Scott have to do with anything? Why even mention that he came running over? He didn't do jack shit for the child.
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What really bothered me is that Jim Boob said that like it mitigates the fact that he and Michelle, or any legal guardian, was there.
Oh, well, a paternal-like crew member rushed over to Josie. Never mind.
All is OK.
What?
These parents and Kate see their crew as extended caregivers and babysitters. But, they're not.
Who holds a camera tight on a seizing child, and continues to film it so it might make the highlight reel?
I really think this footage needs to be brought to the attention of Arkansas officials.
The Duggar compound is a film set, and the children need protection. If the lights, noise and commotion that go along with filming is a danger to Josie, then she needs to be protected.
Three thoughts, there was a previously aired seizure, the baby wasn't even 2 yet and an older brother identified as a volunteer first responder handled it very well. If I recall correctly JB&M were out of town then too.
And second, my oldest suffered seizures as a child. You can know what to do and do it well, we didn't call 911 every time, she would have spent half her childhood in a hospital. But when it is especially prolonged your heart is in your throat and logic flies out the window. I can't fault Jana's emotional reaction. I suspect this one was much longer than 10 minutes; the producer was at a different location (Jessa's house?) and was notified by the homestead film crew, hopped in a car, arrived, and was there undisclosed time before the EMS.
I wonder if Josie might not be having complex partial seizures in between her grand mals . They are hard to spot, Parents in denial might be dismissing long term medical treatment because they ignore all but the most serious seizures. Which might trigger a concerned doctor's child welfare call.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 93
Michelle Duggar actually said in one of her talking head segments on one of the last shows to air, that "I was married first, therefore my husband and my marriage will always come first"..... She openly admits that her children are not her first priority
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Wow, I hadn't heard that. That really struck me because guess what, my narcissist once said that too. That the marriage comes first before the kids. It was a real WTF moment for me.
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I have a feeling many women say this, sublimating their maternal instinct, in order to appease their pathetically infantile husbands.
Some men get insecure and jealous if supplanted by a child.
Just therapizing here, but maybe since Jim Boob was a singleton, he became used to all of his parents' attention and never had to share.
Ironic.
http://okmagazine.com/photos/josh-duggar-anna-home-photos-tax-debt-house-pictures/photo/1001235668/
These are photos of the foreclosed house Josh Duggar bought.
The crew guy "quickly hurried over to our house and tried to help keep Josie alive."
I would hope the next sentence would be, "And that was when
we realized that either my wife or I should be home with our little daughter at all times until she outgrows this serious condition.
Our 'buddy system' is wonderful, but there are times when a
child needs a parent. So we will no longer make personal
appearances out of town together, and we hope our fans
understand."
An interesting perspective on the latest cps phone call.
http://www.inquisitr.com/2165205/jana-duggar-calls-michelle-her-role-model-after-police-are-called-on-the-family/
I know this will open a can of worms, but the Duggars also do not believe in vaccinating their children. I remember when I caught some of an episode a few years ago several of the kids had chicken pox. It was so severe that a couple of them even had the pox in thier eyes, and JimBob thought it was funny. I hope there are precautions for Josie with such a delicate condition that she suffers.
Wouldn't it be awesome if Kate was next?
A new tell-all book about Kim Kardashian is in the works, and the reality star better be prepared for some dirt to get flung her way!
RadarOnline.com has learned from a source that celebrity author Sean Smith “is actively pursing people close to Kim who will talk.”
“He’s already approached those who may be willing to spill the beans on anything about her outrageous life,” the source tells Radar, noting one of those people is 34-year-old Kardashian’s first husband, Damon Thomas, whose nearly four-year marriage to the music producer ended in 2004.
“He’s even gone so far to knock on doors and show up in person on people’s doorsteps to get the story,” adds the source.
Smith has written several celebrity tell-all books, including one on Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling.
According to Smith’s biography on Amazon, he is “a former national newspaper columnist and now a freelance writer” whose “books include the international bestseller Sophie’s Kiss, a biography of Prince Edward and Sophie Rhys-Jones.“
Jana Duggar doesn’t have any social media accounts, but this didn’t stop the Duggars from trotting her out online in an effort to show the world that their family is doing just fine. Jana recently snapped a smiley selfie with Michelle Duggar, and she shared it on the Duggar Family Facebook page.
“Love spending time with this sweet lady,” Jana captioned the photo below. “So thankful to have her as a role model, a friend and a mom! Always love my time with her.”
image: http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Jana-Duggar-And-Michelle-Duggar-670x499.jpg
Jana Duggar never posts anything on her family’s Facebook page, so there must be some reason she’s suddenly become active on social media. Perhaps the Duggar family thinks that focusing on one of their less-exposed kids will draw some of the attention away from the Josh Duggar molestation scandal, or maybe Michelle Duggar is hoping that her daughter’s words will convince the world that she still deserves that Mother of Year Award. Yes, she really did win one, and it wasn’t just a cheap plaque that one of her kids purchased at Goodwill for Mother’s Day. According to Rawstory, it was presented to her in 2010 by Doug Phillips, the former President of Vision Forum Ministries. Phillips later resigned from his position after admitting to having an extramarital affair.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2165205/jana-duggar-calls-michelle-her-role-model-after-police-are-called-on-the-family/#QfE72Wb6fpXohD2g.99
So the Duggars are now using Jana to do some damage control. On their FB page, they have a picture of Jana and Michelle and Jana says:
Love spending time with this sweet lady. So thankful to have her as a role model, a friend and a mom! Always love my time with her.
Jana
https://www.facebook.com/duggarfamilyofficial?fref=ts
Here is an article about this FB post.
http://www.inquisitr.com/2165205/jana-duggar-calls-michelle-her-role-model-after-police-are-called-on-the-family/
"Jana Duggar doesn’t have any social media accounts, but this didn’t stop the Duggars from trotting her out online in an effort to show the world that their family is doing just fine. Jana recently snapped a smiley selfie with Michelle Duggar, and she shared it on the Duggar Family Facebook page."
What appear to be supplemental orders by Zimmerman further restricting the release of records concerning the Duggars came to light in a Springdale Civil Service Commission complaint filed by former Alderman Ray Dotson, dated June 3. Dotson asked the commission to look into whether laws were broken in the original release of the police report. Neither Dotson nor Zimmerman would comment when asked Tuesday on how Dotson obtained access to the documents, which all had case J 2007-38 on them. That case is a sealed juvenile court file.
"There seems to be some kind of disconnect between Juvenile Court and the agencies being affected by its orders," said Rusty Turner, editor of Northwest Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. "The public needs to know what's going on there.
"We're very concerned that documents that possibly shed light on the performance of government agencies and the court system are being shielded from public view," Turner said. "Citizens can't hold their government accountable if they can't observe it at work. We will be exploring our options on making these records available to the public."
In a related issue, the Washington County Sheriff's Office and the 911 center there, managed by the county's Department of Emergency Management, also received a request earlier this month for its copies of records of the May 27 call to 911, county records show.
Those agencies refused the request upon the advice of county attorney Steve Zega, Zega confirmed Wednesday. He cited Arkansas law protecting records that would identify juvenile victims, Arkansas Code 12-14-108. Zega declined a similar request from the Northwest Arkansas Democrat-Gazette for those records on Wednesday.
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/jun/11/zimmerman-s-court-order-a-surprise-spri/
(Leslie)
The photos of Josh's new home have been shown several times. I wonder if they have moved into the home yet.
"Yes, but would they ban him from the delivery room? I wouldn't think so."
A moot point, as Anna has yet to deliver in a hospital. Now that they most likely have no insurance, I really doubt that she would start to do so now.
They showed a clip of the Duggars in the living room, I think it was on Nancy Grace and I think it was Josie, not Josh's daughter. The camera was right there and the little girl ran to Josh and put her arms up right up to near a certain place wanting to be picked up. Josh was standing there just looking down at her and grinning and that grin was so creepy looking, knowing what we know now.
Speaking of Josie unclothed on the counter, they could of grabbed a hand towel and put it over her.
Whoever said that the Duggar house was a tv studio is so right. That house is not a home. It was built to segregate the boys and the girls, especially to block Josh out because he was molesting his sisters.
I wonder about Jim the cameraman who was with the G8. If by any chance he found out about Josh, why didn't he anonymously report it?
Wasn't Scott one of the original members of TFW's crew? Didn't one of the kids want to name the dog Scott after him? Maybe it's a different Scott but I seem to remember that he left on moral grounds and went to the Duggers. What happened to those morals?
Michelle Duggar actually said in one of her talking head segments on one of the last shows to air, that "I was married first, therefore my husband and my marriage will always come first"
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The Quiverfull ideal embraces a “biblical” model (read, fundamentalist) of the traditional family which insists that the husband is the head of the household and the wife is the submissive “helpmeet.”
"A Quiverfull daughter is taught from a young age that her purpose in life is to serve the man whom God has placed in authority over her. She serves her father while she lives at home"
"• Husband as head of the household and final authority (Eph. 5:23)
• Wives submit to their husbands (Colossians 3:18)
"The Quiverfull movement offers a one-size-fits-all model for family relations, but in truth, that never works. “Biblical family values” lock men and women into atavistic gender roles which do not allow individual families to maximize their strengths and compensate for weaknesses. In the end, it is unrealistic and unsustainable. The ultra-demanding lifestyle of Quiverfull is a recipe for abuse, neglect, burnout and insanity."
http://archives.politicususa.com/2011/06/25/born-breed-quiverfull-walkaway.html
LOL. A post from a mommy blog, 2010.
Amy - posted on 05/12/2010
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I'm with Jackie. I don't beleive the Duggars would still be on TV if they had some deep dark secret. I also don't beleive they would be on TV if there was any child abuse going on in the family.
Sounds like the press in Arkansas is not going to let up on this - nor should they. Lots of shenanigans going on here - coverup anyone?
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I'm with Jackie. I don't beleive the Duggars would still be on TV if they had some deep dark secret. I also don't beleive they would be on TV if there was any child abuse going on in the family.
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Well it's hard to believe. Jackie and this other gal forgot to factor in one little thing: The family's otherworldly ARROGANCE.
Yes, there was a Scott. Sound guy? Can't remember. That was the rumor why he left. It was also a rumor that Jen Stocks, the original producer, left on moral grounds. I seem to remember this speculation on GWOP. But that was false. Jen was the executive producer on one of Kate's recent update shows. Scott, if it's the same guy which it probably is since Figure 8 is a small company, is still around because he keeps his mouth shut apparently.
Michelle does her best to downplay the seizure, GLITCH? Then, correct me if I'm wrong, but did I hear Jimboob say "they were doing their best to keep Josie alive"?
Talk about extreme differences in recounting the story.
Yes, I believe that Michelle truly enjoys discussing her children's medical/health issues. The delivery may be the opposite of tfw's, but it's still the same narcissistic fuel for them both.
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=888079321251810
I watched the Kate's 40th Birthday preview and first I love how the video could only muster up ONE like. LOL!
Second, in the short clips they showed of her clubbing on her birthday, I almost, ALMOST feel sorry for her. There she is with ONE friend on her birthday, somebody almost half her age who was actually she met because she was just a hired gun to do her makeup, who doesn't even live in her town. No real shared experiences together except in the makeup chair. The two of them sit by themselves at a table and ogle complete strangers while Deanna remarks that the man is single. She couldn't muster up four or five girlfriends to go to Mexico with her, plus a sister or cousin or two? This is a big birthday, and it's clear she has no family or friends interested in celebrating it with her. I'd be embarrassed and sad.
What a birthday. I just don't get it.
PA Dutch Mom said... 23
"We are storytellers. Accuracy is very important, as is sensitivity and respect for our subjects and our audience. Primarily, we tell stories about incredible people and challenging situations.
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Is having sex with your car a challenging situation? I guess so -- if it's leaking oil when you're consummating the act.
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LOL!
Maybe it's a plus?
Maybe the challenge is "do we have the car running or not?"
You gonna love this post: http://crunchychristianmommy.com/
I thought this was a joke at first, SATIRE. It's not.
I have not yet commented on this because my husband decided that I should not be on the internet for the past week. He, wisely, was concerned that the tragic and exaggerated stories of the Duggars would distract me from my duties as a biblicaly submissive wife and mother.
Tonight, he gave me permission to write a new blog about the issue, so I’m going to try my best to not be over-emotional as this is a topic close to my heart.
A lot of people (the liberal media) have been tearing into Josh Duggar and his parents’ faith-led parenting style lately, and it’s just wrong. Did he mistakenly touch his sisters when he was a teenager? Yes, he admitted to that and he asked God to forgive him (*spoiler alert: God did.) Why we can’t let this go knowing that The Almighty Himself is ok with it makes no sense to me. Not only is He ok with what Josh mistaked on his sisters, God used it as a way to bond with the family. God saw that Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar raised a sexual mistake predator, so He decided to promote the Duggars from BF to BFF status to reward them for staying faithful to Him while the rest of the world would have probly shipped poor Josh off to some secular therapy with a non-Christian, “scientifically-proven” psychological program. Praise Him, why can’t people see what a positive, Christ-driven decision the Duggars made by taking no action other than trusting God?
Josh did not feel entitled to his sisters’ hoohoos and boobins, and he acted on his impulse not because of any backwards and archaic ideas about sex his parents were feeding him, but because he was tricked by the devil. No one is to blame here but the Devil, that’s that. *Unless his sisters were walking around the house in immodest clothing.
What a blessing it was for this family to have had God’s grace available to save them from the Devil’s evil work. What a lucky family, not everyone can claim God’s forgiveness and grace after their son molests multiple family members and friends numerous times over the course of several years. God has blessed this virtuous family with His blessings because they are steadfast in their faith. That is what is important, their closeness with God. It’s the only measurable remedy that’s been scientifically proven to help in cases of incest and molestation. All the molested girls needed was prayers and the assurance that they’re now closer to God, what a Biblical and righteous way to teach those precious girls how to think about sex and their self-worth. Suffering always brings us closer to Christ, after all. And now these girls know that their brothers mistakes were actually a good thing, because it brought them closer to God.
Star Sightings
With special guests stars such as Joey Fatone from N'SYNC, the Food Network and Dancing With The Stars, Derrick Levesseur from Big Brother and Jeremy Sumpter from Peter Pan and Friday Nights Lights already dropping in, Generations Riviera Maya is the place to be for all celebrations and star-style treatment
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I agree with what others said that this was most certainly comped. They have the celebs who have visited there featured prominently on their main web site. They use it as a selling point.
Nine times out of ten it's not that celebs just happened to all pick this same place. It's that in some swag bag at some event the resort offered them a 5 night all expenses paid trip there in exchange for letting the paps snap a few photos of them there and the resort allowed to put their name on their site. It's ironic, the more famous/rich you get the less you have to pay for stuff.
In fact i bet you could connect all the celebs they list to the same one or two events where they got the same swag bag.
I thought this was a joke at first, SATIRE. It's not.
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If that's not a satire it sure should be one.
I wonder how Kate will explain their going to Mexico to celebrate her 40th birthday. How is she going to spin it?
Well, first off, Kate, even if she had a posse of girlfriends would never allow TLC to pay them. Secondly, she got to spend time alone with Steve at a sexy resort (it claims to be family oriented which means it has nannies and a kids' club available so adults can have alone time). Third, Deanna must think hanging with Kate will get her some new gigs (mistakenly). I bet Kate is the only "celebrity" that has ever said more than hello to her. And lastly, I bet Deanna provides Kate's makeup in exchange for a free vacation. Oh, and I'll add this: Deanna knows Kate's relationship with Steve and keeps her mouth shut, therefore she is now Kate's BFF (maybe Pumpkinbottom's husband said enough).
What a birthday. I just don't get it.
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Wonder why Jamie didn't sign up for a free trip to Mexico?
She absolutely has NOBODY. You reap what you sow
I have to wonder how long TLC is going to continue to be on the fence about the Duggars. What are they waiting for? If you look at the TLC Facebook page, every post is followed by comments about the Duggars. TLC is trying hard to deflect--they even posted pictures of Prince George and Princess Charlotte. But nobody was fooled or distracted. The commenters called them out for the lame attempt to deflect and placate. If you check cable ratings, TLC is almost absent. People are boycotting. Last Tuesday's episode of The Little Couple only got 1.641M viewers. That is unusually low for that show. So, either the LIttle Couple is suddenly losing popularity, or people really are tuning out TLC. and the longer the network goes without making a decision on the Duggars, the worse it is going to get. How do they not see this?
In other TLC news, they have a new show called Answered Prayers, hosted by Roma Downey, premiering in July. Good try, TLC, but people still want an answer about the Duggars. And…what is Roma Downey thinking????
Continuing from my last stream of thought…I understand that there doesn't seem to be one clear cut answer for TLC. There are lots of people who are threatening to boycott TLC if they cancel the Duggars. It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation, but there is only one morally correct solution. Putting a new Christian-based show in the lineup is an attempt to placate the Duggar fans, but I just don't see that it will work.
TLC's biggest mistake (besides covering up the molestation--there's no way they didn't know something) was making 19 Kids such a huge part of their lineup. Those shows were on every day, and yes, they got good ratings--even the reruns--but making them so high-profile pretty much ensured that the molestation story was going to be huge news. TLC, like JimBoob himself, just got to be way too smug and arrogant. They thought they were untouchable.
One commenter on the FB page called the anti-Duggar group atheists, and said the atheists are no better than ISIS. I have no words….
(Leslie) #119
That blog's disclaimer says, "this blog is complete satire and everything about it is fake, except me, I’m real. I think."
WOW. I was floored by that blog, but it IS a spoof. Apparently the whole blog is a spoof. In the ABOUT section:
As you can tell, I’m pretty special, so you should definitely be reading my blog and leaving your praises in the comments section! Jesus loves you! Disclaimer: Everything about this blog is fake as shit.
Stay tuned for Kate tweeting and farting rainbows to Roma Downey.
"Yes, but would they ban him from the delivery room? I wouldn't think so."
A moot point, as Anna has yet to deliver in a hospital. Now that they most likely have no insurance, I really doubt that she would start to do so now.
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I was the one that originally said that quiverful families most likely use home birthing because of their disbelief in 'worldly' medical intervention. I did NOT say that Josh would be banned from a delivery room. I don't know how my statement morphed into that ridiculous assumption.
I did say, that IF they did birth in a hospital, doctors *might* contact authorities because of Josh's admitting he molested his sisters. Since this baby is a girl, and he already has one at home, I don't think it's a ridiculous assumption to connect the dots and that the family might need to be investigated.
But another poster upthread said yes, the hospital looks for possible CPS past reports, so yes, I guess if they had the baby in a hospital, they would ask for the family to be investigated.
I have never been a Duggar fan, always thought they had lost their minds to have so many kids! Why have kids if you are just going to pass them along to the older ones to raise? Makes no sense.
As far as Michelle valuing her marriage above her children, again, that's all part of that Gothard mentality.
I think someone also said JB is an only child. I think he has a sister, correct?
I wonder what the Bates family knew? And oh looky, they have their own show on UP. What state do they live in , and are there any laws about filming children and are they being obeyed? I bet not.
JB and Michelle have pulled out of a homeschool conference in CO.
salon.com/2015/06/11/jim_bob_and_michelle_duggar_pull_out_of_homeschool_conference_in_light_of_new_investigation/
TLC stinks said... 119
I thought this was a joke at first, SATIRE. It's not.
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Yes it is. On her homepage she has a disclaimer:
Disclaimer: Everything about this blog is fake as shit.
That's encouraging about TLC. They've managed to anger both the evangelicals and the skeptics with their foot dragging.
Let's see if Kate gets less than a million viewers for each episode. Knowing TLC, since it's probably a two-parter, they'll combine the ratings. Stale programming is not going to get people to tune in when there is wonderful stuff to stream. Time to cut her loose too.
So it's really only Deanna with TFW in Cabo? Not even Jamie
came along? Wow, she has burned a lot of bridges. So
much for "everybody who meets her loves her."
With all TFW tried to take from poor ol' "mediocre" Jon, she
left him his likable personality. And when he celebrates
his 40th birthday, I bet he'll be surrounded by family and
friends.
Well, first off, Kate, even if she had a posse of girlfriends would never allow TLC to pay them.
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Even if Kate took a dozen friends with her and TLC paid them, as long as Kate was getting paid per her contract for the agreed amount, how would it be any skin off Kate's nose if those friends were paid? It wouldn't be coming out of her pocket.
foxy said... 101
I know this will open a can of worms, but the Duggars also do not believe in vaccinating their children.
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And this never stopped them from traveling abroad? Both from the standpoint of exposing them to other countries that don't have herd immunity, and the Duggar kids exposing other people where they travel.
I thought this was a joke at first, SATIRE. It's not.
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Yes, it is satire, a spoof. Read some of the other entries. There is also a weird, distorted caricature of Michelle. Moreover, she even tells you so in the disclaimer:
Disclaimer/Info
While I am smarter and much better researched, I am not a doctor. This blog is complete satire and everything about it is fake, except me, I’m real. I think.
"Yes, there was a Scott. Sound guy? Can't remember. That was the rumor why he left. It was also a rumor that Jen Stocks, the original producer, left on moral grounds. I seem to remember this speculation on GWOP. But that was false. Jen was the executive producer on one of Kate's recent update shows. Scott, if it's the same guy which it probably is since Figure 8 is a small company, is still around because he keeps his mouth shut apparently."
The man's name is Jim, and he even had his young daughter at the house playing with the younger Duggars. Showed that in a question and answer session I think.Wonder how he feels about that now?
Thanks for letting me know that was a satire. I thought WTF.
Kate refused to let Jodi get paid by TLC. Why would it be any different with her BBF? There was a big blowup about it. I doubt Kate is any less greedy.
I looked at TLC's facebook page and man, the public isn't holding back on their views about this family. LOL
The basic premise about the show is letting the world see how they handle a large family...blah blah...Well, why didn't they include the 'innapropriate touching' on their show? Because they knew it wouldn't fly, that's why.
Talk about being 'inauthentic'.
These TLC families want to give us a sanitized white bread version of their lives. Give me a break!
I don't see how people can call for the Duggar's cancellation yet applaud The Little People show. What's the difference? These kids are WORKING.
JB really thinks quite highly of himself. All he had to do was let the DHS people in his house so they could 'see the child'. By turning them away, a 911 call was made. And that call can now be heard round the world. duh
If they had simply let them come in, no one would know there was a new investigation.
I wonder where Josh and Anna are holed up? Surely to pete they aren't staying at the Duggar home. I really hate it for Anna, (although she knew, etc) this has to be hard on her and not good for her pregnancy.
As far as the fundies that have forgiven Josh, I bet they wouldn't leave their kids in his care. Oh, that's part of the forgive but not forget thing....
Several reports on the internet are saying the two married daughters aren't going to get spin offs. So how are they going to pay the bills?
Putting a new Christian-based show in the lineup is an attempt to placate the Duggar fans, but I just don't see that it will work.
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I wonder why TLC thinks they have to have a 'religious' type show at all? There are plenty of channels that have religious program all day long.
I guess they are trying to target each demographic?
those that are too stupid to know they are pregnant
hoarders
morbidly obese
brides
Cody and his harem
Kate and her brood
little people
singing family with lots of kids
people with strange compulsions (eating your couch)
people having sex with weird stuff (car)
Why don't they just name it The Freak Channel?
just own it already!
Even though the Crunchy Christian blog was a satire (I should have checked the disclaimer) it sounds like the Duggar religion. Good satire. Fooled me, LOL.
So it's really only Deanna with TFW in Cabo? Not even Jamie
came along? Wow, she has burned a lot of bridges. So
much for "everybody who meets her loves her."
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When you see just her and Deanna sitting at a lonely table together having a girls night, with plenty of room for several other friends, sisters and cousins to celebrate with you, it really is sad. I don't often feel sad for her but I am sorry that her mental illness makes her unable to form normal bonds with family and friends. She has to know something is not very typical about that big birthday scenario, and I wonder if deep down she feels sad.
Yes, it is satire, a spoof. Read some of the other entries. There is also a weird, distorted caricature of Michelle. Moreover, she even tells you so in the disclaimer:
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Even if there were no disclaimer, the tone of that blog is a dead giveaway, as is its name. It's often easy to distinguish between mockery/farce and seriousness. In this case, one needs to only read a portion of it to know that it's satire.
Continuing from my last stream of thought…I understand that there doesn't seem to be one clear cut answer for TLC. There are lots of people who are threatening to boycott TLC if they cancel the Duggars. It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation, but there is only one morally correct solution
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That's right, and I think they're over thinking it. It needs to be gone, there is no other answer. The fundies will get over it and move on, they always do.
TLC's biggest mistake (besides covering up the molestation--there's no way they didn't know something) was making 19 Kids such a huge part of their lineup.
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I am almost certain we recently talked about (before this happened) the way they were putting all their eggs in one basket with the Duggars. What if something happened.
I wish I could find those prophetic comments.....
Paula said... 113
Sounds like the press in Arkansas is not going to let up on this - nor should they. Lots of shenanigans going on here - coverup anyone?
June 12, 2015 at 6:58 AM
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Maybe Arkansas, like PA, turns a blind eye when it comes to this family filming the crap out of their family, because it brings focus to Arkansas.
It seems to me, an interloper when it comes to the Duggars, that they've been filming with impunity for years.
fidosmommy said... 84
I just did a little online reading on febrile seizures. The first rule is to stay calm. The child will likely be just fine. Second, place the child on her side. Third, do not try to hold the child down or even hold her at all. Stroke hair, use light finger touch on hands and arms to assure the child. Speak calmly.
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Stroking her hair was all Scott was doing and he did appear to be calm so he may have seen her go through a seizure before. I still don't know why Jim Bob thought he needed mentioning. But now I'm curious how many film crews it takes to film an episode of the Duggars, since he was just down the street filming some of the other kids when Josie had the seizure. Do they split the clan up in groups of three or four and each group gets their own assigned crew in the hope of capturing something of interest?
What a way to live. I couldn't stand to have cameras and boom mics following me around all day. It would be such an annoyance, like a fly constantly buzzing in your face. No thanks.
What a birthday. I just don't get it.
June 12, 2015 at 7:19 AM
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It's sad on many levels. The paid companion(s), the embarrassingly enormous, pimped-out limo that even Gordon Gecko would look silly in, and of course, years later, celebrating another "single" birthday by going to a club full of sweaty strangers with a FILM CREW.
I'd be mortified by all of it.
No thanks. Send me and my friends/family to a nice spa retreat.
It's ironic, the more famous/rich you get the less you have to pay for stuff.
In fact i bet you could connect all the celebs they list to the same one or two events where they got the same swag bag.
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Yup. I'm thinking Kate got TLC to film this special because a lot of the expense was taken care of by the resort.
She has to know something is not very typical about that big birthday scenario, and I wonder if deep down she feels sad.
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I'm thinking not. There is nothing wrong with HER, it's everyone else!
She's has been given opportunities up the ying yang to make things right and she CHOOSES to continue on the same path. When you make a list of all the downright nasty EVIL things she's done, going allll the way back to Jody, the babies, Jon etc etc...not having girlfriends at her 40th (big whoop!) is just a teeny tiny insignificant amount of karma that girl should be getting.
angie said... 141
Putting a new Christian-based show in the lineup is an attempt to placate the Duggar fans, but I just don't see that it will work.
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I wonder why TLC thinks they have to have a 'religious' type show at all? There are plenty of channels that have religious program all day long.
I guess they are trying to target each demographic?
those that are too stupid to know they are pregnant
hoarders
morbidly obese
brides
Cody and his harem
Kate and her brood
little people
singing family with lots of kids
people with strange compulsions (eating your couch)
people having sex with weird stuff (car)
Why don't they just name it The Freak Channel?
just own it already!
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Exactly. Nothing is taboo, nobody is safe from being exploited and taken advantage of. So long as the subject is raking in dough, it's all good
Kate K @KateK1103
Potty training day 1. Panties bought...Any suggestions or words of encouragement for this momma @Kateplusmy8 ? http://t.co/vyboeiYQJK
Yep. Kate is the perfect go-to person for potty training advice!
This child looks like she should have been trained some time ago, or she's just really big for her age!
Tucker's Mom said... 135
foxy said... 101
I know this will open a can of worms, but the Duggars also do not believe in vaccinating their children.
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And this never stopped them from traveling abroad? Both from the standpoint of exposing them to other countries that don't have herd immunity, and the Duggar kids exposing other people where they travel.
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But GOD is in control of all that!
Like someone posted upthread, they don't approve of science or medicine in all aspects of their lives EXCEPT for the purpose of getting pregnant. I believe the exposure/side effects from fertility drugs are far worse than vaccines?
I have never been a Duggar fan, always thought they had lost their minds to have so many kids! Why have kids if you are just going to pass them along to the older ones to raise? Makes no sense.
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Well, if you want to populate the world with fundy Christians, it makes perfect sense ;-)
So maybe Kate contacted the resort, got a deal, then convinced TLC to film it? I would not put it past her.
What a way to live. I couldn't stand to have cameras and boom mics following me around all day. It would be such an annoyance, like a fly constantly buzzing in your face. No thanks.
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But they're just a family that happens to be on television.
From Paul Peterson on Facebook:
A Minor Consideration
PAY ATTENTION, ALL YOU KIDS ON REALITY TV!!!
Disaffirmance and Retribution is on your side. AMC will help you get what's coming to you the moment you turn Eighteen.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/mama-june-sued-by-daughter-anna-chickadee-cardwell-over-honey-boo-boo-profits/ar-BBkVp5g?ocid=ansGossipCop11
Anna Cardwell filed a lawsuit alleging Shannon has held on to $200,000 in earnings that she was supposed to get. Furthermore, the young mother claims her daughter Kaitlyn, 2, is owed $100,000. The dollar figures are based on their $22,500 per “Honey Boo Boo” episode salary, plus profits from related ventures, such as a cookbook. It’s not clear if TLC is named as a co-defendant, but TMZ says Cardwell’s legal papers argue “the network had a duty to protect them, ensuring they’d get what was owed to them.”
Hang on G8. You can write that book and sue when you are 18.
Even though the Crunchy Christian blog was a satire (I should have checked the disclaimer) it sounds like the Duggar religion.
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I think that was the whole point! lol! Just the name of the blog is satire.
Yes, just saw the video of TFW's birthday bash.
The shot of the guy at the table with his white shirt buttoned down and Deanna said, He's single and they laugh. It's sad when you only have one friend to celebrate a milestone birthday and you have to make a deal to even get her to agree to go.
Like Vanessa said, you reap what you sow.
http://studioenashville.com/scott-enlow-photographer.html
This is Scott Enlow. And yes, he used to work on Jon & TFW. I think the story was that he quit J&K because he just couldn't take it any more. He has been filming the Duggars for years, now.
http://okmagazine.com/photos/josh-duggar-anna-home-photos-tax-debt-house-pictures/photo/1001235668/
These are photos of the foreclosed house Josh Duggar bought.
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What in the hell kind of foundation is that? I think it's picture number 8. Is that even up to code? Looks like a very thin slab of concrete sitting on blocks? That can't be legal.
Tucker's Mom said... 135
foxy said... 101
I know this will open a can of worms, but the Duggars also do not believe in vaccinating their children.
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And this never stopped them from traveling abroad? Both from the standpoint of exposing them to other countries that don't have herd immunity, and the Duggar kids exposing other people where they travel.
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But GOD is in control of all that!
Like someone posted upthread, they don't approve of science or medicine in all aspects of their lives EXCEPT for the purpose of getting pregnant. I believe the exposure/side effects from fertility drugs are far worse than vaccines?
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omg, they don't believe in vaccinations? oh my word.
I'd have to do some digging, but for some reason I think they also don't have health insurance. I recall JB saying something about paying for everything themselves. But this was at the very beginning of the show, so maybe at that time they couldn't afford health and dental insurance. They might have it now. (Some fundies believe having health insurance shows a lack of faith).
If they depend on God to do everything, then how do they rationalize getting all the kid's teeth straightened?
And the girls have dropped the whole modest clothing thing. Those girls dress like most girls do. Of course they don't wear the really revealing clothing, but the older ones dress like their peers. And the makeup, hair and jewelry, too.
I bet those girls won't follow JB's Gothard teachings. GO GIRLS! :)
WestCoastie said... 92
Michelle Duggar actually said in one of her talking head segments on one of the last shows to air, that "I was married first, therefore my husband and my marriage will always come first"..... She openly admits that her children are not her first priority (b/c she was married first before having children?? Their cult-like lifestyle really makes no sense and is clearly harmful to the children!
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That way of thinking is just so foreign to most mothers, but not to all. I was shocked one day when my great niece posted a link to a blog whose author feels the same way as Mama Duggar (and, apparently, my great niece). I have no idea how someone can bring children into this world and not put those children first and foremost. Folks who are able to put others above their kids must be incredibly self-centered and selfish.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/yourtango/why-my-husband-will-always-come-before-my-kids_b_7033384.html
Kate had a fit when TLC was going to pay Jodi and Kate said, "Nobody makes money off my kids but me". End of story, end of Jodi.
A lot of Christians feel it's wrong to buy a foreclosure. Profiting off another family's misery and all.
I guess they don't take that stance.
Not saying there is ANYTHING wrong with buying a foreclosure, I think it's a personal decision, but if they're going to condemn other people for their values, why shouldn't their own choices and values be condemned?
From Tandra Banfield, the one who was in the kissing picture in front of Duggar home and started the ball rolling on exposing Josh.
Barnfield posted the picture on her Instagram account and it was also posted on family Facebook accounts.
Next to one Instagram post she wrote: 'The Duggars have taken over the town where my family lives and the surrounding area.
'Because of this they have been able to bury their demons along with enforcing discriminatory views and turning them into laws. Discrimination is an ugly disease and should never be called Christianity!'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3120768/The-downfall-Duggars-hate-filled-robocall-photo-lesbian-kiss-exposed-dark-family-secrets.html#ixzz3cs5ky1ZQ
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http://okmagazine.com/photos/josh-duggar-anna-home-photos-tax-debt-house-pictures/photo/1001235668/
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What kind of taxes do they owe? state income tax? property tax from another property?
The Duggars 'buy used and save the difference'...geez, a foreclosed home valued at $220,000 sure sounds funny.
Same with the fleet of cars and that fancy bus the Duggars have....bought all used, of course.
LOL
And speaking of buying used and saving the difference, I'd like to know how much the JB shelled out for I assume *new* wedding dresses for the girls....
And how did Seewald afford a European honeymoon? mowing yards pay that much? An online associate degree doesn't bode well for a lucrative career.
This is one time we can say it's not Jon's fault. It's Josh's.
LOL
Reporter tells of his experience visiting Duggar hometown.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/judging-condemning-belong-jesus-christ-801194
Lots of support, few dissenters, no body wants to talk.
It is reported Jim Bob is worth 3 million which I think is on the low side.
Call Me Crazy said... 164
That way of thinking is just so foreign to most mothers, but not to all. I was shocked one day when my great niece posted a link to a blog whose author feels the same way as Mama Duggar (and, apparently, my great niece). I have no idea how someone can bring children into this world and not put those children first and foremost. Folks who are able to put others above their kids must be incredibly self-centered and selfish.
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My friend and I had this discussion 20 years ago. She said the husband had to come first, I said that kids were brought into this world with no say in the matter and they are your #1 priority until they are 18.
Well, here we are. She's divorced for the 3rd time and doesn't even know the whereabouts of 2 of her 3 kids.
My kids are adults now and are some of my best friends. Oh, and I'm still married to the same guy. He knew the kids came first and felt the same way as I did.
TLC stinks said... 102
A new tell-all book about Kim Kardashian is in the works, and the reality star better be prepared for some dirt to get flung her way!
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That's hilarious. What the heck couId anyone say or find out about Kim Kardashian that would shock anyone? Seriously. People will still enjoy reading some dirt about her, but I doubt anyone will be surprised by anything revealed.
I think it is pretty rare these days for anyone to be shocked about what some of these celebrities say or do. One reason nothing much surprises us anymore is because a lot of the bad or strange behaviors have already been rumored on the internet. The Duggar case is an exception (even though there were rumblings about Josh long ago), not only because of the nature of the scandal, but because of the depth of the hypocrisy. For the most part, people have gotten so used to the ridiculous antics and bad behavior of the rich and famous, that we have come to expect it and are almost completely immune to it. The tell-all books about hugely famous people will always sell well, but very little is truly shocking anymore.
I suspect that the Kardashian Cabal is rubbing their hands together in glee about a tell-all being written. They have built an empire on baring (literally and figuratively) their bad behavior to the world and being vapid, egotistical famewhores. This will just give them one more opportunity to make bank.
Last night I watched a Youtube video about one Amish family (Amish: A Secret Life). I could not help but think of Michelle Duggar as I watched.
The wife, Miriam, sounded brainwashed to me. I had a hard time figuring out if Miriam truly felt at peace with her life or if she was trying to send a message that this was a miserable life. She said all the right things, but it looked strained to me. She had a huge smile while she talked about family dynamics, but her eyes looked so, so sad. She looked to me like she felt helpless even as she gazed adoringly at her authority figure husband.
Of course the fact that facing an interviewer and camera crew was 1) something foreign to her and 2) something members of her community would condemn, she might have been too nervous to come across naturally.
She spent some time discussing corporal punishment. She uses a wooden spoon she calls "Mr. Smiley". And yes, Mr. Smiley has a happy face drawn on him. I saw Kate Gosselin right there, happying up Mady.
For all the nonviolence the Amish are famous for, this not sparing the rod thing seems incongruous.
P.J. said... 171
My friend and I had this discussion 20 years ago. She said the husband had to come first, I said that kids were brought into this world with no say in the matter and they are your #1 priority until they are 18.
Well, here we are. She's divorced for the 3rd time and doesn't even know the whereabouts of 2 of her 3 kids.
My kids are adults now and are some of my best friends. Oh, and I'm still married to the same guy. He knew the kids came first and felt the same way as I did.
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Your kids were lucky to have gotten you as a mom, P.J.!! And you are reaping the benefits of having put your children's needs and welfare above everything else. What a blessing to have a wonderful relationship with your kids!
It makes perfect sense that people who choose to put themselves or their spouse above their children, who had no choice in the matter of being brought into this world, would end up being too selfish to maintain loving relationships with others.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 133
So it's really only Deanna with TFW in Cabo? Not even Jamie
came along? . . . .
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Well, let's not forget that old Stevie was there, but any glimpses of him are on the cutting-room floor. Have to keep up the (non-) fiction at all costs--even though this story is now routine tab fodder.
P.J. said... 171
My friend and I had this discussion 20 years ago. She said the husband had to come first, I said that kids were brought into this world with no say in the matter and they are your #1 priority until they are 18.
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In her advice column years and years ago Ann Landers wrote to some woman who was having the same debate with her husband. Ann said that her husband should ALWAYS come before the kids. I remember people being outraged and writing her to tell her so but she wouldn't back down. I wasn't yet a mother or even married then and I was gobsmacked. I shouldn't have been because she always gave lousy advice lol.
Tucker's Mom said:
It's just amazing that a mother is allowed to pop out kids like a Pez dispenser and have her older kids raise the younger ones, and have so little direct involvement with their day to day lives.
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What's even more amazing is that she still is being applauded by a certain segment of the population as Mother of the Year, some great wonderful mom. As if being a mom is just about delivering as many babies as you can before your body gives out. I would say that's the easy part. The hard part is doing the actual mothering! Which she has handed off to the older children for years now. She even handed off the home schooling to one of the older daughters!
I remember an earlier episode where JimBob and Michele were talking about how they handle having so many kids, and I am pretty sure they said that they scheduled one-on-one time with each kid - not on a daily basis. It was like once a week, each kid could schedule some individual time with a parent.
Tucker's Mom said... 188
Having a baby shouldn't be some competition to see who can be the crunchiest about it.
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It seems that's what it's turned into, though. I mean, you have to out granola the next mom by having your baby in a tub full of gmo-free chia seed milk, followed by processing your placenta in a Vita-Mix and dehydrating it with the tears you cried when you released your first droplet of colostrum.
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I'm laughing at your description ---- but I know more than one new mom has done something very close to this!
The last I heard, Joey Fatone was doing the intros for Family Feud with Steve Harvey. I'm not putting him down, because that's a legitimate paying job, but viewers don't even see him. It's a long way from his days as part of a popular boy band, or even when he was on DWTS.
This is from the "About Us" section on Figure 8 Films website:
"We are storytellers. Accuracy is very important, as is sensitivity and respect for our subjects and our audience. Primarily, we tell stories about incredible people and challenging situations.
We consider ourselves "caretakers" of these people's stories. We are obliged to these people for allowing us into their lives ...
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Just goes to show, it's always Opposite Day at Figure 8 Films.
A lot of Christians feel it's wrong to buy a foreclosure. Profiting off another family's misery and all.
I guess they don't take that stance.
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bible also says to obey the laws of the land...so ol' JB should have let the DHS people in.
I'd like for a real journalist to interview the Duggars. Ask him why he refused to bring in Josh yrs ago, and then the SOL ran out.
JB, all you have done is give Christianity a bad name, which in turn keeps those who were thinking about going to church say 'no thanks',
So much for a christian witness.
smh
For all the nonviolence the Amish are famous for, this not sparing the rod thing seems incongruous.
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Yes, it does. There are quite a few contradictions in the Amish way of life. Same thing applies to their "no smoking" policy. Smoking is worldly because the body is the temple of God and shouldn't be polluted in any way. They do, however, grow, harvest and sell tobacco.
Transportation is another issue. The buggies aren't required in PA to have license plates, but they use the public roads for transportation, and many sects aren't permitted to own cars, but may accept rides in them.
When it comes to paying taxes, there are so many exemptions and inclusions that it would take an experienced accountant to figure it all out.
And...ffs...Josie was turning blue because her airway was obstructed by vomit.
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Also, can parents be out of state and have their children film in Arkansas? There was no legal guardian at the Duggar compound while JB and Michelle were in Illinois.
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You could tell that she had vomit in her throat from the awkward, behind her head, camera shot? Do we know that Michelle and Jim Bob haven't set up powers of attorney or guardianships for times when they travel (they've not always been home during filming, but either Grandma or another adult sibling has been)? SMH Veranda-ites, we're better than speculation and accusations like this. Or at least I thought we were.
I have no idea how someone can bring children into this world and not put those children first and foremost. Folks who are able to put others above their kids must be incredibly self-centered and selfish.
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I'm confused. It must be the heat (index at 104). Why must one choose whether to put the spouse or the children first? First in what? Neither my husband nor my children have a ranking in importance order. They've all been treated equally.
Going to make myself a nice chilled Margarita. I'll stay in the air conditioning. Even the veranda may be too hot right now.
And...ffs...Josie was turning blue because her airway was obstructed by vomit.
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Also, can parents be out of state and have their children film in Arkansas? There was no legal guardian at the Duggar compound while JB and Michelle were in Illinois.
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You could tell that she had vomit in her throat from the awkward, behind her head, camera shot? Do we know that Michelle and Jim Bob haven't set up powers of attorney or guardianships for times when they travel (they've not always been home during filming, but either Grandma or another adult sibling has been)? SMH Veranda-ites, we're better than speculation and accusations like this. Or at least I thought we were.
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1. The paramedics themselves said she had vomit in her mouth. You didn't need to see it. They said so.
2. Given that a lot of states forbid you from filming without a parent or LEGAL guardian (paperwork in place, not just designating someone haphazardly), I think that was a fair question. I don't know Arkansas law to know whether that is an unfair accusation, but given TLC's past history of breaking child labor laws, I think it's a fair question.
I'm confused. It must be the heat (index at 104). Why must one choose whether to put the spouse or the children first?
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When your spouse is making choices that are wrong for your children, unsafe for them, detrimental to them, you are faced with putting your children first. Michelle did not put her children first when she let JimBoob handle this fiasco.
There are many other scenarios children must be put first. For instance, perhaps if a husband is okay with staying in an unhappy marriage it would be fine if it were just the two of you, but if it's making your children upset to stay together and be unhappy, their needs need to come first and you need to leave him.
Many times parents have to choose their children over a spouse. Thankfully some of us will never have to.
TLC stinks said... 170
It is reported Jim Bob is worth 3 million which I think is on the low side.
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Jim Bob isn't worth diddly squat! He needs to crawl back into his hole before he sews his seed again.
ncgirl said... 51
"And aren't some of them studying to be in the medical profession?"
Jill was going to be a midwife. I think a couple of the children were EMTs or in the fire department. They had episodes about that.
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Here's the thing that is downplayed on the show. The Duggars are part of a religious cult run by Bill Gothard. He has officially stepped down following a series of sexual abuse allegations, but he still runs things behind the scenes. Part of their belief system is what appears to be a wilful lack of education for the children. All are homeschooled, and most use Wisdom booklets created particularly for their belief system. Further education beyond a G.E.D. is rare, even a trade school. This is because it would take the children into contact with people who are not part of this cult, and it might open their eyes to the truth about their religion.
So Jill did study to become a midwife, with an accredited midwife, while Jana tagged along and pretended she wanted to learn to be a doula. However, this midwife herself got into trouble with the law by not following certain legal protocols during a client's labor and childbirth. She apparently has now lost her midwife license in Arkansas. That means Jill's accumulated hours under her tutelage are all for nothing, and she'll have to start from scratch if she wants to become a midwife. Right now, she's just a person with a G.E.D., a husband who might or might not be unemployed, and a 2-month old baby.
I think the only kid who seems to have some actual skills that would be useful in the outside world would be the 2nd oldest son, John David. He has a pilot's license and (for now anyway), gets to fly the family's private jet. He volunteers part time as a constable. He is apparently able to fix car engines and work on heavy equipment. I think he may also have a home that is in his name, but might be required by his headship to remain living at the Duggar home, sharing a bedroom with his brothers, even though he's a full adult.
There is one boy who, for some reason, has been allowed to go away to college. It's a very, very conservative college, but he at least was allowed to move away from home to attend college. None of the female children would even dream of being allowed such a privilege.
And that's about it. None of the female adult kids have any sort of certificates, degrees, or other type of education beyond their homeschool G.E.D.
I bet those girls won't follow JB's Gothard teachings. GO GIRLS! :)
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I don't know anything about this man. Is it pronounced GOTH' ard, or Got Hard?
The only reason that cult (thanks for calling it a cult. it is.) discourages education is because those that get edumucated start developing opinions that might differ from the sect. If you refuse to expose them to any other ideas, they don't know any better.
That's what the no TV thing is about too. Too dangerous a child might develop a thought of his own.
Call me Crazy said:
That way of thinking is just so foreign to most mothers, but not to all. I was shocked one day when my great niece posted a link to a blog whose author feels the same way as Mama Duggar (and, apparently, my great niece). I have no idea how someone can bring children into this world and not put those children first and foremost. Folks who are able to put others above their kids must be incredibly self-centered and selfish.
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I think a happy family has to have balance. The parents do need to carve out some special time just for them, to keep their relationship going strong. So in one sense, there are times when you should put your marriage first (not necessarily your spouse), because you want that marriage to remain strong and happy.
But children do not ask to be born. I feel if you bring a child into the world, then it is your responsibility to put their needs before yours, or before your spouse. If you aren't ready to do that, then don't have children. Having children is not for the faint of heart lol.
When children are very young, they need lots of time and attention. That responsibility should not be placed onto older children in the household, who had no say over their parents' reproductive choices.
At the heart of things, JimBob and Michele are both selfish, ignorant people. They love the limelight, they love play-acting at being parents of a large family, but they do not want to be in the trenches doing the hard parenting work. It really does remind me of the story, The Emperor's New Clothes. They are good Christian parents in name only -- but since everyone else they hang out with are just the same, it's just an echo chamber of all these parents congratulating each other on how wonderful and Godly they are, while the poor kids are the ones paying the price for their parents' folly.
... a social worker will spin that comment like Michelle is minimizing, and in denial that this will just go away. That is exactly how comments like that will get spun to the judge, fair or not.
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The social worker may spin it that way but she won't have backing from the medical community. Childhood febrile seizures are usually outgrown by the time the child is 5-6 years old.
PA Dutch Mom said... 189
I bet those girls won't follow JB's Gothard teachings. GO GIRLS! :)
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I don't know anything about this man. Is it pronounced GOTH' ard, or Got Hard?
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Thank you for giving me a good laugh!!
Are sheeple really this dumb? I mean, honestly? Is it stupidity or gullibility or both?
If Kate has this many legit followers, then none of them must be interested in cooking or her book wouldn't have been such a dismal failure! You'd think they would have supported her in her authoring endeavors.
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... a social worker will spin that comment like Michelle is minimizing, and in denial that this will just go away. That is exactly how comments like that will get spun to the judge, fair or not.
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The social worker may spin it that way but she won't have backing from the medical community. Childhood febrile seizures are usually outgrown by the time the child is 5-6 years old.
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That's not the point. The point is for Michelle to talk about them going away in the future suggests Michelle is not taking them seriously. "Oh they'll just go away" is not a smart thing to say to authorities, regardless if it's true.
I think a happy family has to have balance. The parents do need to carve out some special time just for them, to keep their relationship going strong. So in one sense, there are times when you should put your marriage first (not necessarily your spouse), because you want that marriage to remain strong and happy.
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I think that is putting your children first by carving out time to have a healthy relationship and thus, a health family.
Not putting your children first was meant in the context of a mother allowing a father to make choices that either directly or indirectly harm the children, and backing him up on them, as Michelle did.
PA Dutch Mom said... 189
I bet those girls won't follow JB's Gothard teachings. GO GIRLS! :)
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I don't know anything about this man. Is it pronounced GOTH' ard, or Got Hard?
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omfg.
I never read it as GOT HARD.
now I do.
lololololololollllllllllzzzzzzzzzzzz
gross/blech
(I think it's pronounced "gaw-thard")
haha, my laugh for the day. LOL
Contrary to what Michelle implied, I don't think children go from normal to high fever "just like that". They usually have flushing or "wet head" as the temperature begins to rise.
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I raised 4 children and have plenty of experience with very sudden spikes in temps - all w/o warning and all w/o a slow rise in temp that could have been noticed. Unless you're in the exact same environment watching them constantly their temps can sky rocket in the blink of an eye - especially ones that had problems after birth. The first 3-4 years with my youngest were full of runs to the pediatrician and/or the ER for sudden and very high temps when we couldn't bring them down on our own. I remember putting her in ice cube baths. Even the best and most conscientious parents don't necessarily see a high temp coming.
I'm not up to date...can Michelle still get pregnant? I cannot imagine what shape her body must be in. Two kids for me and my bladder is shot. Has she had surgery to shore up things?
When your spouse is making choices that are wrong for your children, unsafe for them, detrimental to them, you are faced with putting your children first. Michelle did not put her children first when she let JimBoob handle this fiasco.
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It's all part of that Gothard 'training'. A wife must submit herself unto her husband. He is the HEAD of the household. He rules all.
It's not natural for a woman to put her husband ahead of her children (at least to me). Hell, I told my kid's natural father to take a flying leap, he sucked at being a dad and a hubby. I'd die for my kids, most mother's would (well except when being filmed in a broken down rv with no a/c while being filmed on a 2 week trip--only then is it survival of the fittest. LOL)
Neither JB or Michelle were raised with their current theological teachings. They picked this up sometime after they married and fell for it hook, line and sinker. Michelle has dutifully submitted to JB. Even if it went against her maternal instincts (I am sure she had some with the first half dozen), she submitted unto her husband.
JB is head of his household. HE is the one 100% responsible for this travesty. He says he's the head of the household, so he's got to own his decisions, because they were HIS.
I've never had anyone in my family that followed this Gothard thinking, but I've known a few older men that ruled their wives like this. It's nuts.
I can't imagine having your eldest son molesting your daughters, and you still have time to sire 5 more kids. incredible.
A man tells me that kind of crap, I will tell him to pack his bags and **** off.
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