As insane as it is, Mama and Daddy Duggar will sit down with Megyn Kelly on Wednesday to talk about son Josh's history of child molestation of his sisters when he was a teenager.Megyn says a preview of the interview will air Wednesday, with the full interview to air Friday.
Fox News, The Kelly File, 9 p.m. EDT (check local listings).
New Washington County police report.
Read a breakdown of some of the misleading or outright incorrect information from the Kelly interview.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 1315 Newer› Newest»I saw some of the interview. I was watching the BlackHawks.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!
What I got from the parts I saw: The Duggars playing the ignorance card.
Ignorance is as, ignorance does.
I can believe that the girls might not have known what Josh was doing exactly. Jimbob & Michelle, did raise the older kids in mostly isolation & religious Gothard dogma in their early years. They only mingled with same thinking people & their church. They did not become modern till they signed with TLC. The girls clothes changed, in fact, everyone of the religious ones who wore the goofy jumpers with the peter-pan collars, and signed with TLC changed in clothing styles.
Ignorance is Bliss, in the Duggar household. Mom & Dad tryed the I did not know what to do. Like a chicken with out a head. I found the whole interview, to be, the Duggars trying to claim stupidity, Josh is the victim here, and yes, the girls are second class. It seem to me Mom & pop did not consider the girls really victims, cause, if they did not know what Josh was doing, then how can they be victims. Josh is a victim cause, he could not control himself, cause, his sisters defrauded him. Therefore it was all the girls fault. I call BS to both mom & dad not knowing what to do.
I did not see the end where they were asked what comes next? Besides a law suite against the police etc .
What did the Duggars say?
Formerly Duped - I'm so sorry to hear of the loss of your sweet fur baby. I know what you're going through because we lost ours (unexpectedly) in December. Maybe they will meet up and play together at the Rainbow Bridge until we meet with them again.
I still can't quite understand this 'heart' talk from Michelle. She said they told the girls they could come to her and Jim Bob and know that their hearts were safe. I don't think it was their hearts that Josh was after.
Is 'heart' code for something?
TLCstinks: TLC has been testing the spin-off value since last year. They first did it with Josh & Anna, the ratings were ok, then Amy, the rating sucked. Then a few with just the girls, rating were good. Then the focus this year on both Jessa & Jill, in focused episode on them and the ratings were real good. So TLC has tested the waters already. If this scandle has not come out, I truely think , TLC was planning a spin-off for fall. Either on Jill & Derick or Jessa & Ben or both.
She's smarter then your typical reporter, so I'm sure she knew the law part of the whole molestation incident
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Lawyer or not, she doesn't know the law on that. She is rushing, and made a mistake not realizing Josh was never ARRESTED, thus triggering the exception to disclosure she is referring to. If she has information about how that exception could possibly apply to a non-arrest, I welcome her to share it. I think it is important that records are disclosed properly, as they were here, but I don't appreciate the way she is using this red herring to confuse the issue. It's a separate issue, and doesn't make what Josh did okay or better.
I figured out that Jim is referring to the DSM for his "legal" definition of pedophilia.
"The criteria also indicate that the subject should be 16 or older and that the child or children they fantasize about are at least five years younger than them."
The problem is how do we know this inclination stopped after he was 16? Without a full evaluation under the DSM criteria, he simply cannot state as a fact that's not what his son is.
Formerly, I'm very sad to hear about your precious pup. My dog's birthday is today, and just as I was reflecting over the past several years and how special he is to our lives I read your news. He is dedicating this birthday to the memory of your fur baby.
Formerly Duped.I am so sorry or your loss.
Anonymous said... 108 (Leslie)
''Except the freedom of information laws in Arkansas clearly state "Records of the arrest of a juvenile, the detention of a juvenile shall be confidential and shall not be subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act."
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Jumping in before reading every comment, so others may have already seen the same thing I see.
In my opinion, the key words are ''the ARREST of a juvenile'' and ''the DETENTION of a juvenile'' are confidential''.
He was never ARRESTED nor in DETENTION, therefore the records ARE subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act.
Thanks again to more of you, and Admin, please thank your sweet pup What a lovely sentiment.So many of us here have pets we adore(d)- perhaps our caring for the Gosselin children is a reflection of our ability to love all God's creatures, great and small.
According to the law in Arkansas in 2010, to be charged with a felony for incest, Josh would have had to be 16. Additionally, according to the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders), a person must be 16 to be diagnosed as a pedophile and the victim must be at least five years younger than the perpetrator. So I think Jim Boob was splitting hairs and I am not sure what age Josh was when the last confession occurred. Regardless, you can form tendencies toward pedophilia before age 16 and act on them which makes you a child molester. Anyone with a lick of sense would immediately seek professional help for their child. Sense he committed acts multiple times, he was unable to control his urges. Probably still has urges because there is no cure. Yet, Josh is procreating children that may become victims at some point.
It is shameful what the parents did. No amount of spin is going to redeem them. Would not be surprised some of the other girls in the family were victims. You cannot pray it away.
Here is some food for thought:
Ignorance is bliss in the Duggar household.
Daggar logic:
According to mom & dad: the girls did not know what Josh was doing to them, cause they were asleep. So, if the girls did not know, nothing really happened. On the same token: Josh was under 16, so he can not be accountable for his actions.
So bottom line, nothing really happened. All is forgiven.
Formerly: sad-but-caring hugs for you.
What would the Duggars do if a 15 year old male child fondled their little boys' privates? Would that be ok if he apologized?
Those girls are taught from day one about modesty. Touching sexual body parts is forbidden and at least one (?) told on Josh, so Jim Boob and Michelle saying the girls did not realize what was happening is bogus. And if someone is massaging your vajayjay you are not going to sleep through that! That is so icky to think that your brother is doing that and is aroused.
And who was the babysitter and how old was she?
Jim-Bob and Michelle are hypocrites. They're targeting the press for re-victimizing their daughters yet they are doing the same by having them interviewed. They have now clearly identified the victims. The fact that the "victims" are being put on TV to plead their parents' and brother's case just confirms that the parents and brother know that what they did was wrong.
I honestly believe that the Duggars biggest concern is losing their show...not their family's emotional welfare. It's a lucrative source of income as well as platform for their distorted view of reality.
Just as with Kate, the horrendous egos of this couple have been fed by the ever-present TLC cameras. As narcissists and bullies, they can dish out harsh criticism but they cannot take it.
Unfortunately, their children are paying a huge price. As others have commented, this may trigger even more intense scrutiny on this family's past and present.
Where is the support from TLC??
Admin, funny you should bring up the DSM at the same time I was posting about it. I don't think Jim Boob pulled up that information himself. He cannot speak to as to whether Josh is a pedophile because he was never evaluated. The urge definitely surfaced before 16 and that happens according to psychiatrists. And then he acted on it. Serious stuff.
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Anonymous said... 108 (Leslie)
''Except the freedom of information laws in Arkansas clearly state "Records of the arrest of a juvenile, the detention of a juvenile shall be confidential and shall not be subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act."
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Jumping in before reading every comment, so others may have already seen the same thing I see.
In my opinion, the key words are ''the ARREST of a juvenile'' and ''the DETENTION of a juvenile'' are confidential''.
He was never ARRESTED nor in DETENTION, therefore the records ARE subject to disclosure under the Freedom of Information Act.
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Exactly. His parents chose to not go to the authorities on any of the at least three occasions that Josh confessed to them, but handled the matter "privately." It was not until 2006 or 2007, when Oprah's people forwarded that e-mail to the proper authorities, that an investigation was opened. By then, the statute of limitations had run, so no arrest, no court case, etc. Therefore, the police report would not fall under a "sealed juvenile record." It was released 100% LEGALLY. JimBob might try to sue, but he will not win. I hope he spends a ton of his money first though. And that civil lawsuit would be public as well.
He didn't sound all that serious about suing. Oh yeah yeah, we're looking into that.
Empty threat. I'm sure they've already consulted with Huckabee's attorneys and realized they got nothing. If it was so egregious, file a complaint. Surely there is an administrative complaint process at the police department or D.A. Let's see it.
Also I love how Huckabee swiffered them from his web site after supporting them, and they're still quoting him in the interview. Lol, you should check who has swiffered you first before quoting them!
"The law allows for parents to do what they think is best for the children and as parents we are not mandatory reporters" (or something like that). I couldn't believe it! They are crazy idiots!
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Hehe I know.
Also, that's not the law JimBoob. If the law always allowed parents to just handle things in a manner they see fit, there would be no such thing as CPS. The law in fact allows the government to dictate to you how you handle your children if the law feels you have put those children at risk, as you did.
The CPS report will likely never be released, but I'm betting it would tie everything together.
Lord help me, I did watch that interview last night, but it was hard. I think nearly every word out of their mouths were lies, lies, and more lies. Two of the most troubling things were:
JimBob says that they know a lot of families where "worse" has happened. What the what? Seriously, within your group of fellow Gothard followers, there are a lot of families that have had worse sexual scandals than a 15 year old brother molesting four of his own sisters, one as young as five? Well, they do say you can judge a person by the company they keep, and I'm judging you right now JimBob for hanging out with a bunch of wierdos who apparently are raising a bunch of perverts.
The second thing that stood out was his lame defense, "parents are not mandatory reporters." No, but I believe teachers are mandatory reporters, and your wife (that bobble head sitting next to you) was the teacher of all your children, including Josh. So she broke the law by not reporting his molestation. Too bad the statute conveniently ran on that crime as well.
These two are absolutely horrifying people and not fit parents. It took three confessions (heck, maybe more, because you can't believe a word these two say), before they took any sort of action to stop the molestations. Then they merely sent him away for 3 months, told the rest of the kids, no more playing hide and seek, and you girls don't sit on the older boys laps. They made it the kids' responsibility to avoid their own siblings, instead of removing the actual molester from the family home. Honestly, when I see their faces, I feel sick to my stomach at how deeply they failed in their #1 responsibility, which was protecting their own children from harm.
Does anyone find it unbelievable, or at least strange, that josh would confess multiple times? Especially given how whacked out his parents are about sex? Wouldn't most people hide in shame, if for no other reason for self-preservation? I wonder if he was caught in the act or if one of the girls spoke up
“I was stunned,” he continued, “when the Duggar father said that ‘I don’t think our son is attracted to children, because after all, he wasn’t eighteen.’ That’s not the definition of ‘pedophilia,’ it includes older adolescents, folks who are developed preying on children who are not.
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Well of course Jim Boob doesn't think he's a pedo. It was his young prepubescent daughters that lured him, telepathically, from under their covers, in their rooms, in the middle of the night on MULTIPLE occasions. He is guilty of nothing, it was Satan trying testing him. Poor fella, he failed the test. But he asked for forgiveness!!! What's wrong with you people? God forgives all crimes,er.. i mean sins
Formerly, very sorry for your loss.
Love this link. Especially read that last point. The trooper is saying that he knew JimBob well from his job, had taught several classes at car dealerships with him, and that JimBob SOUGHT HIM OUT to make his molestation report to.
Fat chance that JimBob just randomly got that trooper.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-interview-7-crucial-facts-they-didn-t-tell-you-the-cover-up-continues-59917?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tweet&utm_campaign=socialshare
Formerly Duped, I'm so sorry to hear about your loss. I am thankful that she seemed happy and peaceful up to the very end. I know she had such a good home with you and was well cared for, and in return your family had the blessing of her companionship.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/duggar-interview-7-crucial-facts-they-didn-t-tell-you-the-cover-up-continues-59917?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=tweet&utm_campaign=socialshare
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InTouch is doing an incredible job with this story and getting the facts right. Dare I say that is a Pulitzer caliber article of correct information.
The people Jim Bob and Michelle are hinting at suing had better be Jews, Muslims, pagans or athiests. The Bible says it is wrong to sue your brother, which means in Bibletalk that Christians do not sue a fellow Christian.
Admin. My point was that Megyn Kelly is not a blonde bimbo journalist who just spits out words. She has an agenda and it's not necessarily for anyone but Fox News . That's why I called her Foxy.
And what makes you think that you're the only one listening to her giving out wrong information?? I would bet that 99% of her viewers believe every word that comes out of her mouth. Why?? Because they don't know crap .
And what makes you think that you're the only one listening to her giving out wrong information?? I would bet that 99% of her viewers believe every word that comes out of her mouth. Why?? Because they don't know crap .
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huh?
But as a victim, like it or not, you don't have the right to stop something from coming out when it was proper to come out. You don't hold that right. Victims Rights groups may feel differently but that's the state of the law.
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There seems to be no legal minds out there that can actually grasp this! Everyone is bandying about the word "leak" and the phrase "illegally obtained".
TMX Live- Harvey and the gang commented on the Duggar interview and the big thing is that the Duggars are claiming that the media is hurting the victims more than Josh did, because the girls had no idea what happened to them.
Harvey said that he thinks TLC got their decision (as in, it's a no brainer).
The Duggars have made a career out of being sanctimonious religious fanatics
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And yet the don't want to be judge for not being perfect.
But they put out "we are the perfect christian family BS.
AuntieAnn said... 4
Is 'heart' code for something?
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For the duggars I think it means let me the horrible thing your brother did in the family.
AuntieAnn said... 197
I would be interested in hearing his definition of incest.
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My dictionary says incest is: having sexual intercourse with a parent, child, sibling, or grandchild. He probably defines sexual intercourse very narrowly, possibly to include the missionary position.
If the purpose of the incest taboo is to prevent genetic inbreeding, a strict definition makes sense. But that doesn't mean sexually touching your younger siblings is not a crime or is excusable in any way.
People have been referring to the attorney who told the police chief to release the police reports as the district attorney. I think it wasn't the district attorney, but the city's attorney. The district attorney is concerned with prosecuting crimes. The city's attorney would be concerned with making sure the city itself complies with the law and doesn't open itself to civil suits. My city has been sued over land sale, development and employment issues.
I should have added to my last post that our city does have an attorney (on retainer, not a fully-time employee). From recent history, it looks like we should look for a new one!
Sorry Admin. It's been 2 1/2 weeks since I saw the doctor and I still haven't gotten my pain medication. I think all this pain is not only making me bitchy but it's taking over my brain. I think I'll just take a nap!
And what makes you think that you're the only one listening to her giving out wrong information?? I would bet that 99% of her viewers believe every word that comes out of her mouth. Why?? Because they don't know crap .
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I'm not following this at all.
This is all so beyond disturbing and heartbreaking.
The Duggars are complaining that the media have victimized their daughters because they didn't even know they were abused. What!?
You didn't tell them that what their brother did to them was wrong? Not only is it a sin against God, it is also a crime in general (not just secular) society.
And it is YOU, their parents, that have trotted them out in front of a television camera to defend their abuser for the sake of a reality show.
One day those girls will realize you threw them under the bus for the sake of the ALMIGHTY...dollar. And that is what, in the years to come, will cause them more mental anguish than can be imagined now.
The actual abuse will become secondary, not less traumatizing but trumped by the pain inflicted from being forced to publicly defend the abuser.
I speak from personal experience.
Someone up thread, can't remember who - sorry so many comments, asked the very poignant and relevant question...
Where the hell is Josh in all this "explaining"? In what universe do you send the victims out to set the record straight and let the abuser hide behind his so-called confessions?
I don't give a rat's ass if Josh traveled barefoot, in rags, to Rome and confessed to the Pope. It doesn't give him a pass and it in no way lessens his crimes.
Admin, you called it. Let them dig their own hole and see how fast they bury themselves.
It never ceases to amaze me though, how in light of the truth, people are still so willing to defend blatant abuses against children who have absolutely no recourse.
And Jesus wept.
Does anyone find it unbelievable, or at least strange, that josh would confess multiple times? Especially given how whacked out his parents are about sex? Wouldn't most people hide in shame, if for no other reason for self-preservation?
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I don't think it's strange. You have to remember that these are NOT normal people, nor could they be expected to behave and act like most people would. Their believe that God will forgive. Period. If he did it multiple times, then God will forgive him multiple times. He knew what he was doing was wrong, but he wouldn't hide the acts because without confession there is no forgiveness. He wanted to be forgiven by God and therefore there had to be an acknowledgement of his sin.
Okay, I haven't read all the comments yet. I'm having to take these in small doses because I find myself getting angrier and angrier at the dUGHars. But did Michelle actually make her son leave the room so she could change a baby daughter's diapers, then proceed to change that diaper ON NATIONAL TELEVISION? Wow! The stupidity is mind-boggling.
Formerly Duped said... 152
*Sad update:
My little dog, who was so brave after her spinal surgery, passed away today at the vet's. She suddenly showed signs of respiratory distress yesterday, and she may have had cancer, Lyme Disease, an autoimmune disease or pulmonary embolism?? She seemed fine the day before and had a good walk, meals and regular day.We decided she'd been through enough despite her slow but fairly good surgical recovery. Thanks to all of you who helped me during her illness. She will be missed so very much..her presence is everywhere in the house. But she passed away very peacefully under her favorite blanket with all of us present; her vet since we first brought her home came in and kissed her goodbye .Another vet carried out my dear dog's last procedure and was very gentle and caring. I'm so sad yet so happy to have had her in my life.
June 4, 2015 at 7:13 AM
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Oh, wow. I'm really surprised, and so sorry for your loss.
You both put up such a good fight, and now your baby is at peace.
My thoughts and prayers are with you.
Formerly, I am so terribly sorry about your beloved dog.
silimom said... 166
Regarding the definition of a pedophile: “I think the legal definition is 16 and up for an adult preying on a child. He was a child preying on a child.” - Jim Bob Duggar
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At least he didn't change the word "prey" because Josh just so happened to not cross that age threshold at the time.
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Oh, it's okay because he was a child. I said this before, this is a tragic story and not to excuse Josh Duggar's actions, but frankly all those kids are victims of their parents' ignorance, fear, and personal beliefs.
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Boom. These kids are a product of their parents and their cultish upbringing.
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I don't think TLC will cancel the show. I think they will do a Duggar special 3 months from now focusing on Jill and Jessa, the impact this has had on them, how they feel victimized by the press/media and how they are turning to their faith and their husbands to get through it. There will be some footage of Jim Bob, Michelle and the larger family, but the focus will be on Jill & Jessa.
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And they can get 10 million viewers and be so, so proud!!!!!!!
Formerly, I just saw the post about your fur baby. I'm so sorry. It's hard to say goodbye to them and you'd been through so much with her the past few months. Hang on to the good memories. They'll help you get through this.
(Leslie)
Am I dreaming this or was finger penetration in the report? I know vaginally touching was in the Sheriff's report that was released yesterday.
I say this because I have watched several tv reports today and nobody mentions that Jim Bob left the vaginally touching out. Did anybody hear the Duggar parents refer to vaginally touching at all? Maybe I missed it.
And I wonder how many 14/15 yr. olds molest 5 years old? I really would love to know if they go for this very young age. And I think one of the daughters was 9 in 2002 too. You can look up her name if you are interested. And bullshit on Michelle saying they were all asleep. The 5 year old was sitting on his lap having a story read to her and he touched her breast and vagina area. And he put his hand down the dress of another in the laundry room.
Josh was really, really out of control. I mean he had a very serious problem. This was not a one time touching, curiosity thing. And no way did construction work and talking cure him in three to four months time. No way, period. His parents talked to him for many months and it did nothing. So why would this place where he went for construction work cure him in three months.
Mel said... 177
A quote from an opinion article:
"That doesn’t let them off the hook by any means. I just wish some on the left wouldn’t take such joy in attacking the family for hypocrisy"
I take no joy whatsoever in this. My heart is sad.
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At least this person gets that it's the hypocrisy that's at issue. These people put themselves out there as paragons of Christian family values
That's ok, except they then took their fame and ill-gotten political connections and turned their Christian platform into a bully pulpit and spewed ignorance.
And when people decried that the Duggars were unfair, and called for their removal from tv, Jim Bob laughed in their faces and thanked them for their squawking because it just made them more popular!
Formerly--I am so so sorry for your loss.
(Leslie)
AuntieAnn, I think MIchelle used the word heart in the sense that a person has a heart to heart talk. She said her daughters can share their hearts with her. She meant her daughters can come to her with their inner thoughts and be safe. I know in the Josh context it meant nothing because it tooks the parents 16 months to even tell an officer. But that is what heart means to her. She is a comfortable place for her children to come to her and they can share what is on their minds or hearts.
I find it interesting that they trotted out the married girls for the next part of the interview. Aren't there rumours that TLC was planning a spin off for them? I believe there is another girl who is older and single - is she not worthy of being heard because she doesn't have a man?
Also, I find it hard to believe that their husbands knew about this before they were married. They weren't even allowed to have a conversation with their fiance over the phone, Skype or FaceTime, without having another person present when they were "courting". (Yes - I've watched in the past, not a lot, because they annoy me, but some).
The problem with all of TLC's reality shows, is that it may seem like an interesting show in the beginning, but ALL of the families end up forgoing their real lives, and make the show their lives. It's happened with the Gosselins, the Roloffs, The Duggers, The Honey Boo Boo's, the Cake Boss, and will probably happen with the new Willis family, after they make them their marquee show.
Watching some of the interview last night online made me sick. Pathetic beyond words. Their worry is the money - I call BS on everything else.
I hope TLC cancels the show, and everything else to do with the Duggars. But, they are the same network that had absolutely no qualms about filming a very contentious divorce of a family with 8 children. That was ratings gold for them.
I wonder if The Boob is still trying to get Michelle pregnant, as he indicated recently.
We all said that this interview was a very bad idea, that they would end up shooting themselves in the foot and digging that hole so deep they would eventually find themselves in China. We know, and once again, we were right. Too bad nobody listens to us!
Mona said... 28
The people Jim Bob and Michelle are hinting at suing had better be Jews, Muslims, pagans or athiests. The Bible says it is wrong to sue your brother, which means in Bibletalk that Christians do not sue a fellow Christian,
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Yep, I muttered your exact same thoughts last night when he said they might pursue legal action. Hey JB, that ain't the christian way, ya know....
I bet Kate's waiting for her 8th pink TLC batphone to ring and say 'c'mon on down, Kate....you're baacccckkkkkk'...
blech
readerlady said...(41)
"Okay, I haven't read all the comments yet. I'm having to take these in small doses because I find myself getting angrier and angrier at the dUGHars. But did Michelle actually make her son leave the room so she could change a baby daughter's diapers, then proceed to change that diaper ON NATIONAL TELEVISION? Wow! The stupidity is mind-boggling."
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This! Yes, what a great point Readerlady. At it's core, the only true reality of reality television, is the hypocrisy.
The only consistent vein, aside from greed of course, is the intent to create an image of false ideology by manufacturing scenarios and circumstances that support said ideals.
Fine, if that's how you want to live your life but the minute you start subjecting innocent children to that false reality, IMO, you are abusing them.
Because for children, that IS their reality. An example that comes to mind is when the Gosselin children were dressed in heavy clothes for a Thanksgiving photo shoot that took place in the middle of summer.
The ideal being sold was that the kids were all excited about the fall and getting ready for Thanksgiving. Their reality was that they had to stand for hours in the middle of summer, way overdressed, and pose for a photo shoot.
Yeah, that's not work...that's just running in and out of the camera.
From the InTouch article:
Jim Bob made it clear that he took Josh to talk to the police and randomly happened to end up with Trooper Jim Hutchens. (Hutchens is now serving a 56-year-prison term on child pornography charges, as reported exclusively by In Touch magazine.)
“We didn’t know anything about this guy except he was an officer there for the headquarters,” Jim Bob said in Wednesday’s interview.
But Hutchens was interviewed from prison by a representative from a local law firm hired by In Touch and contradicts Jim Bob’s story. He said he knew Jim Bob well from his job and had even taught a couple of classes to car dealerships with him. In addition, Hutchens – who was not promised anything in return for his interview and told only that it was part of an investigation – said that Jim Bob specifically sought him out to talk to Josh.
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If what this guy is saying is a fact that could be easily proven by other people at the dealership classes, it means Jim Bob is lying through his teeth. And a pervert is outing him. I'm sorry, but I have to chuckle at the irony of it.
No chuckles about the girls who were molested, though.
Admin said...
I wonder, do they think it's okay for a child of a gay couple to be punished? That wasn't their fault either.
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I was thinking along the same lines, regarding the transgender child molestation remarks. According to their way of thinking, aren't transgender people just like Josh, in that they are making bad choices. Why no grace or forgiveness for them, but buckets of empathy for their twisted son?
But did Michelle actually make her son leave the room so she could change a baby daughter's diapers, then proceed to change that diaper ON NATIONAL TELEVISION? Wow! The stupidity is mind-boggling."
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So she made Josh leave the room, but it was okay for a MALE camera man and sound man to film it? Wasn't she afraid that that would lead them into temptation?
How would these people have responded if a 15-year-old neighbor
boy climbed in a window at night and touched their daughters
while they were asleep? Would that also elicited a sigh, and
a claim of a child preying on another child, and it wasn't rape
or anything like that, and they were sleeping so they didn't
even know if happened anyway? I sure wish Megyn Kelly
would've asked that question.
Anonymous said... 48
(Leslie)
But that is what heart means to her. She is a comfortable place for her children to come to her and they can share what is on their minds or hearts.
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After listening to her yammer on, eyes bulging, weeping and dodging responsibility for so much of the violations of her daughters, I don't consider her a fit mother any more than I consider Kate Gosselin fit. She, Jim Bob and Kate are all sad, sorry excuses for parents in my opinion.
Sheri (#53), and TFW busted herself in that photo shoot episode.
The kids each got a special backpack, because she liked to give
them either "bribes" or "rewards" doing these things. Who needs
a bribe or a reward for having a fun-fun-fun day of playing in front
of the cameras?
Again, thanks to those of you who are brave enough to recount
your own painful experiences with this issue. Having your
perspective as victims is very enlightening.
Karen Kaufman said... 23
Does anyone find it unbelievable, or at least strange, that josh would confess multiple times? Especially given how whacked out his parents are about sex? Wouldn't most people hide in shame, if for no other reason for self-preservation? I wonder if he was caught in the act or if one of the girls spoke up
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Karen - reading the police reports, it is clear that at least once or twice, it was one of the daughters who reported Josh's actions to her father. I notice that JimBob and Michele did not disclose that fact during their interview last night. Josh may have also confessed on more than one occasion -- but I don't know if that would have been after one of his sisters told her parents what happened. It could well be that a sister runs crying to dad or mom about what he did, they call Josh in and ask him about it, and then he "confessed" what he did.
All I know for sure is that the parents were made aware that he molested one of his sisters, yet did nothing substantive to stop the same thing from happening again. Then he does it again, and they still don't take adequate steps to protect their young daughters. Then it happens yet again and finally JimBob goes to his pastor and asks for some guidance. I think at that point is when it comes out that while Josh might have confessed three times, there were at least five girls molested, on multiple occasions. It might have been at that time that Josh was made to stand up before the congregation, confess his sins. His head is shaved as part of the shaming process, and he is sent off for three months to an ATI- run facility (run by Bill Gothard, a known molester of young girls himself). After 3 months, he is pronounced cured and he returns home, where his sisters are told they need to forgive him or else God will be angry with them.
That is one messed up family, run by two complete idiots. And Michele as their teacher was a mandatory reporter and thus broke the law and ought to have served some jail time. Instead, she gladly accepted a Mother of the Year award!
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 184
You know I've been thinking about their comment about how the other children are being "punished" because of what Josh did, i.e. losing the show.
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If it's not fair that they lose their show, what the hell did they ever do to deserve it in the first place? No gratefulness for hitting the lottery and having a show that gave them fun things, trips and a lifestyle they never would have had were if not for the sheer luck of being born into a big family?
Is anyone supposed to feel sorry for any of these people?
The absolute nerve!
Okay, I haven't read all the comments yet. I'm having to take these in small doses because I find myself getting angrier and angrier at the dUGHars. But did Michelle actually make her son leave the room so she could change a baby daughter's diapers, then proceed to change that diaper ON NATIONAL TELEVISION? Wow! The stupidity is mind-boggling."
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I don't think they showed the diaper change on TV but my thought was they make the young son leave and keep the adult crew members (sound, camera etc) in the room?
Have the ratings for the interview come out yet? I'll bet you anything TLC is waiting to see how many tuned in to watch.
Auntie Ann @ 58:
I agree 100%. I also have to wonder about JimBob's mother, Grandma Mary. She surely was aware of this situation, yet there she is, smiling at the camera just like her son. Shame on you Grandma Duggar.
Tucker's Mom said... 61
If it's not fair that they lose their show, what the hell did they ever do to deserve it in the first place? No gratefulness for hitting the lottery and having a show that gave them fun things, trips and a lifestyle they never would have had were if not for the sheer luck of being born into a big family?
Is anyone supposed to feel sorry for any of these people?
The absolute nerve!
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Exactly! They lucked out being given a show based on their breeding habit. I guess they had a plan in place for raising these kids prior to being given that fame and show, so why should anyone feel badly for them if they lose their show?
Same with Kate. She CHOSE to have all the kids. The show was a godsend, but without it, she can survive...albeit not as she's accustomed. Boo hoo.
Where is the support from TLC??
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TLC is just letting their flagship talent and their show swing in the breeze! What has TLC said so far, about 2-3 sentences?
Actually, that makes me laugh.
Tucker's Mom said... 61
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 184
You know I've been thinking about their comment about how the other children are being "punished" because of what Josh did, i.e. losing the show.
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If the parents had done what responsible parents are supposed to do: provide their children with a decent education and then help them either to attend a trade school of some kind, or obtain a college education, or even just let them get regular part-time jobs once they turn 16, then as each child grew into adulthood, they would have the necessary skills and education to find employment.
It is mind-boggling how people, once they get on reality tv shows, seem to think that this job should last forever. The Duggar girls have been given no real job skills, besides working as a nanny. The Duggar boys aren't much better off. Josh - has worked as a used car salesman, but I have no idea if he was successful. Now, who would buy a car from him?
JohnDavid - perhaps the most able of the boys; has a pilot's license, works part-time as a constable (don't know if this is a volunteer position or paid), and is handy with farm equipment.
Josiah may be the next boy in line - all I know is he is 18, engaged to a 17-year old girl, and has no job.
I do not know the rest of the boys names, except Jackson. They do seem to have some knowledge about home repair and some renovation (like removing old carpet and putting down new carpet, painting, replacing a toilet). These are useful things to know, and perhaps they could apply for a job as part of a construction crew. But they have no education beyond their GED from homeschooling, and that will shut a lot of doors to them.
But their lack of potential job security is their parents' fault. If their parents weren't such screw ups, their offspring wouldn't have to depend on the vagaries of reality tv for a living.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 184
You know I've been thinking about their comment about how the other children are being "punished" because of what Josh did, i.e. losing the show.
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They're not being punished. God is making them warriors. Hopefully, when they cancel the show, they'll all get to go out and be 9-5 warriors.
When God closes a door, he opens a drive-thru window, right? Want fries with that?
Fox News Five at Five is commenting on the interview now. Some comments:
LOTS of focus on the "illegal" release of the record and how upset the victims are.
Seriously?
What's Josh doing now?
The family, especially Josh, is reeling. Don't know if the show will go on and they're ok with it.
The girl victims became very upset the more they talked about their exposure (understandable).
Kelly is insisting that the law doesn't allow a juvenile's sealed record to be released.
Kelly is INSISTENT that she's right on this.
She has contacted the police chief, but no response yet.
One panel member talked about the hypocrisy of moaning about media attention now that it's turned against them.
Yup.
Another said that the 2 girls outed themselves! The girls believe that the notion that they were raped is widespread that they wanted to publicly deny that that happened.
They ended with one lawyer and former ADA (Kimberly) saying that she's prosecuted cases like this and she really thinks it's possible there's more to the story and that Josh's behavior was learned.
Apparently, Megyn will "go there" in the next interview.
I get that Megyn wants to humanize the Duggars, I really do. But, you know, this family made tons of money based on a lie and just because they thought the record was "sealed" meant that they could go forth unquestioned in their zealotry?
Most people disagree.
Megyn seemed most upset by her interview with the 2 girl victims because she could see how horrible this public exposure has been for them.
That makes me so angry at Josh and their parents, on whose shoulders I squarely place the blame.
Fox/Megyn is still vilifying the media.
Thanks once again! The support I have received on this forum has been amazing and is helping me through a terrible day. Just when we were relaxing after the spinal surgery and rehab, this came out of the blue.
I agree, readerlady, we have so many good memories, we are already smiling and reminiscing about our quirky, sweet and adored little friend.
We are also washing her 3 (yes) beds, toys and blankets etc and donating them plus unopened treats and meds to a shelter.Keeping a few mementos .But they are mainly in our hearts.
Another said that the 2 girls outed themselves
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That was my thought! Well now we DO know who it was. I mean a Duggar expert could try to figure out, based on who was born at the time, who it was, but unless you are that, the average person has no idea who was molested. I had no idea, I'm not a Duggar aficionado.
Except, now I know who two of them are because they've chosen to identify themselves. That was their choice. Their names and relationship to Josh were redacted. They WERE protected. It is not the public's fault that, due to their celebrity, a good educated guess could be made as to who they are or that they now want to speak out. Stop blaming the public for CHOOSING to become a celeb.
Wow. Really impressed with Intouch reporting! They have my respect.
NJGal51 said... 64
Have the ratings for the interview come out yet? I'll bet you anything TLC is waiting to see how many tuned in to watch.
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The Kelly File got 3.1 million viewers and a 0.6 share.
From TV By The Numbers:
"'The Kelly File' Duggar Interview is #1 Program in All of Basic Cable for Day in Total Viewers
FOX News Channel’s The Kelly File hit its highest ratings of 2015 in both total viewers and in 25-54 demographic last night, garnering 3.1 million total viewers and 866,000 in adults 25-54, up 34% and 124% in both metrics (respectively) versus last week."
The people Jim Bob and Michelle are hinting at suing had better be Jews, Muslims, pagans or athiests. The Bible says it is wrong to sue your brother, which means in Bibletalk that Christians do not sue a fellow Christian,
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I'm remembering during my Sunday School days that we learned that "brother" meant not only members of the same faith, but that all mankind were called "brothers" back them. It meant the same thing as neighbor and this was why everyone should love his neighbor as himself. God loves all children equally, and thus "brother" signifies love of your fellow human beings. We are all a community of brothers, regardless of religious beliefs.
I have no idea what Babytalk Michelle and PaBob believe about this, but in this case, then, he shouldn't be suing anyone at all, if everyone is a brother.
The Sageway gals are just as appalled about the Duggar interview as we are. That really means it must be the end, however this was posted:
Anonymous Arabella said...
And they are still filming. A friend of mine is in the Gatlinburg area and they ran into some of the Duggar kids with a camera crew in tow. No parents but other adults were there.
June 04, 2015 10:31 AM
Would it ever occur to these parents that maybe it's God's will that
they lose the show, and that He has other plans that would have
them serve Him better or differently? I'm not being flip -- I am
sincere. According to their company line, these tragedies only
make them stronger. So maybe the show has run its course,
and now they can take some time to evaluate where this ministry
is going -- without the media scrutiny they seem to have grown
weary of.
Another thought that's forming in my head is that JB seems to want to make the argument that they're not hypocrites because they thought the records were sealed and the information would never be made public.
First of all, how naive can you be, and secondly, you can not expect to never experience the downside of fame. After 10 years, you're damn lucky that you haven't had any scandal that rocks your world.
I'll add a third, and that's that when you point your finger at someone else or another group of people, there are 3 fingers pointing right back at you.
The Sageway gals are just as appalled about the Duggar interview as we are. That really means it must be the end, however this was posted:
Anonymous Arabella said...
And they are still filming. A friend of mine is in the Gatlinburg area and they ran into some of the Duggar kids with a camera crew in tow. No parents but other adults were there.
June 04, 2015 10:31 AM
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It's nice to know we've found some common ground over this issue. Just because we disagree about Kate doesn't mean we can't stand together on something like this.
As far as filming goes, are they SURE it was the TLC crew? It could have been the Fox crew, it also could be another media outlet interviewing them and looking to get some establishing shots. Doesn't mean it's for a TLC episode.
And here comes Sarah Palin who will not disappear:
The former GOP vice presidential hopeful lashed out at the media -- including in ALL CAPS -- for its "hell-bent mission to go after the entire Duggar family for one member’s wrongdoing, while giving a total pass to perverted actions of someone like Lena Dunham."
Palin pointed to a post by her daughter Bristol Palin, who wrote that the media gave a "big fat yawn" to Dunham "when she wrote in her book that she sexually experimented with her sister" as a young girl.
Sarah Palin called Dunham a "pedophile."
"HEY LENA, WHY NOT LAUGH OFF EVERYONE'S SEXUAL 'EXPERIMENTS' AS YOU HAUGHTILY ENJOY REWARDS FOR YOUR OWN PERVERSION? YOU PEDOPHILE, YOU," Sarah Palin's Facebook post begins. "Go get 'em, Bristol! Read her post!"
The Palins are not the first to argue that Duggar has gotten harsher treatment tha Dunham, who wrote in her memoir, "Not That Kind of Girl," that as a 7-year-old girl, she inappropriately touched her 1-year-old sister. The passage prompted a substantial debate over whether Dunham had sexually abused her sister or whether her actions were normal for someone that age.
Palin wrote that the media should start covering "The shocking, unethical leak of a private, legally protected counseling document by a politically motivated law enforcement official" and "the media's hell-bent mission to go after the entire Duggar family for one member’s wrongdoing."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/06/04/sarah-palin-hits-media-double-standard-on-duggars-calls-lena-dunham-a-pedophile/
Formerly Duped: Sorry about your dog.
Formerly Duped, my sympathies go out to you on the loss of your dog. Her death will leave a void in your life for which I am truly sorry.
Dr. Lillian Glass did a blog on the Duggar interview:
Deception, Ignorance and Blaming
Michele Giarratano @sunshinepawleys
@G_Philly @Kateplusmy8 Can you find out where she got this dress ? http://t.co/dykTB5AytC
This sheep wanted to know where Kate got the orange block party dress. The G Philly person told her and then she said she ordered it. Apparently that wasn't enough. Now she wants to know where to get a blue striped dress that Kate wore somewhere.
Good gosh. Why not just ask Kate for a complete inventory of places of purchase and costs of her clothing? Single White Female -- Kate Wannabe?
Alberta Girl said... 50
I find it interesting that they trotted out the married girls for the next part of the interview. Aren't there rumours that TLC was planning a spin off for them? I believe there is another girl who is older and single - is she not worthy of being heard because she doesn't have a man?
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I think the rumors are that the oldest girl was not a victim. If that's true, it lends more credence to the notion that Josh is truly attracted to young girls (pedophile) as opposed to just going for young girls because they were available and he was randy. Either one is terrible for his victims, but it does make a difference for how he should be treated now and in the future.
Good article from the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/style-blog/wp/2015/06/04/in-fox-interview-the-duggars-cast-themselves-as-martyrs-and-place-their-faith-once-more-in-tv/
A few excerpts:
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Kelly asked a few of the more pressing questions people have had for the Duggars since news first broke of now-27-year-old Josh’s actions on May 21. (Such as: Why would you launch a reality show all those years ago, when you knew this could come out someday?) But Kelly let other questions slide and was too sympathetic to the Duggars’s perception of themselves as liberal media martyrs. (“It’s been an unprecedented attack on our family,” Jim Bob said.)"
"Kelly cross-examined Michelle about her involvement in campaigning against a local anti-discrimination initiative in Fayetteville, Ark., but never probed the extent of the increasingly public stances the Duggars have taken on hot-button social issues, including Josh’s work with the conservative Family Research Council. In any event, the Duggars don’t seem inclined (or equipped, frankly) to have a real talk about the finer points of hypocrisy, although Michelle conceded that she could at least understand where some of the backlash comes from. If you really want to see the Duggars squirm (and that seems to be what people want here), then let Nancy Grace take a crack at ’em. Let Oprah."
Could you just imagine if Nancy Grace had interviewed them? Their heads would be spinning instead of their mouths.
http://www.medicaldaily.com/duggars-and-mental-health-professionals-disagree-whats-curious-and-disordered-336650
Based on their interview, one might think the Duggars find their son’s actions a result of childlike curiosity; second to his age, Jim Bob and Michelle made a point to say Josh only touched his victims over their clothes “for like a few seconds.” But Dr. Ben Michaelis, clinical psychologist and author of Your Next Big Thing, would disagree. Michaelis told Medical Daily in an email there's a very big difference between curiosity and sex abuse. While he’s certain there are some cases where this is more of a gray area, these cases would be in the minority.
“When there are substantial gaps in age between the two parties, when this happens on multiple occasions with several children over long periods of time, when a power differential exists between the two parties, or when coercion is known or suspected, this is not curiosity — this is abuse,” Michaelis said. “Moreover, humans have an inborn psychological aversion to incest. Whenever that taboo is broken, or suspected of being broken, people in authority should immediately be concerned that this is not mere curiosity, but rather that something pernicious is taking place.”
Pedophilia becomes a crime once acted upon; before that it’s considered a paraphilic mental disorder. In order to be diagnosed, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) requires people “feel personal distress about their interest; have a sexual desire or behavior that involves another person’s psychological distress, injury, or death; or a desire for sexual behaviors involving unwilling persons unable to give legal consent.” These requirements are based on “the latest science and effective clinical practice.”
Really good article about the Duggars' religious beliefs.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2015/05/welcome-to-the-duggars-world-of-independent-fundamental-baptists/
FlimsyFlamsy said... 76
Would it ever occur to these parents that maybe it's God's will that
they lose the show, and that He has other plans that would have
them serve Him better or differently? I'm not being flip -- I am
sincere. According to their company line, these tragedies only
make them stronger. So maybe the show has run its course,
and now they can take some time to evaluate where this ministry
is going -- without the media scrutiny they seem to have grown
weary of.
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This reminds me of one of my favorite episodes of The West Wing, Take This Sabbath Day
What does God need to do, send the Duggars a Strippergram?
Piers Morgan's reaction to the interview:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3111528/Piers-Morgan-19-disgusting-things-learned-Duggars-TV-interview-counting.html
"I watched Megyn Kelly’s Fox News interview with Jim-Bob and Michelle Duggar last night.
By the end of it, I felt so angry and nauseated by this pair of dangerous, deluded imbeciles that I wanted to smash my television into smithereens with a pickaxe just to rid myself of their sanctimonious, hypocritical faces.
It was one of the most invidious, repulsive, exercises in brand-protecting bulls**t that I’ve ever had the misfortune to experience.
Their show, which I sincerely hope never gets aired again, is called 19 Kids and Counting.
I’d like to amend that title to 19 Disgusting Things About The Duggars….and Counting."
Here are some of his comments:
4) The Duggars seem more upset that we now all know about Josh’s disgraceful activities than about the activities themselves. Their doe-eyed exclamations of self-pity were utterly disingenuous.
8) They made this assertion: ‘Similar things happen in other families’. Really? I’m struggling to think of a single other family where a serial child molester has not only got away with his crimes thanks to his parents’ deceit, but has then been made a TV star by the same parents in a show extolling the virtues of family values.
10) One of the truly vile statements came when they claimed Josh’s ‘heart was still soft’ because he told them what he’d done. There was nothing soft about Josh Duggar’s heart when he carried out the abuse.
11)They blame the media more than Josh. ‘It’s been an unprecedented attack on our family’, said Jim Bob. Well no, the unprecedented attack on your family came from your son who abused four of your daughters, Mr Duggar.
13)They bleat about the abused sisters’ privacy being violated, yet now two of them will be giving their own interview to Megyn Kelly tomorrow night. The Duggars don’t seem to understand this will only make their privacy violation ten times worse. For them, television is king. Or rather, ker-ching
15)We only know Josh Duggar abused five girls because that’s what he has admitted to. It’s too late for any police investigation under the Statute of Limitations, thanks to his parents obfuscating justice. For all we know, like Bill Cosby, he may have abused many, many more.
19) They want to continue being TV stars. That means putting their 19 kids on public display at the same time they are demanding privacy for them. This actually makes me laugh, it’s so incredibly dumb.
Do you suppose we'll get a tweet from Waltons Mountain
tonight? From the happy home where, you know, nobody
has been touched inappropriately? Unless you count
whipping toddlers into their cribs by their hair...
Formerly Duped....so sorry to hear about the loss of your dog, it's comforting to hear she had a great day just before she passed, then left you so unexpectedly after her brave recovery, my condolences.
Lillian Glass article worth reading. I guess I will break down and watch the interview to see if she nailed them. Appears Kate had the same coaching (i.e. fake tears). Coincidence? Naw.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 78
The Sageway gals are just as appalled about the Duggar interview as we are. That really means it must be the end, however this was posted:
Anonymous Arabella said...
And they are still filming. A friend of mine is in the Gatlinburg area and they ran into some of the Duggar kids with a camera crew in tow. No parents but other adults were there.
June 04, 2015 10:31 AM
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It's nice to know we've found some common ground over this issue. Just because we disagree about Kate doesn't mean we can't stand together on something like this.
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Would someone send this to Megyn Kelly? Seriously, please.
Kelly asked them directly if the show was done, and she was so impressed by the notion that the Duggars would be ok without the show.
Soooooooooo, meantime, the Duggars were cagey because they knew damn well that filming was happening as they spoke?
Wow.....
Admin, Dr. Glass makes almost identical points that you've been making all day. Congrats to you for being so in tune with what was going on in the interview.
If, as I believe, Pa Duggar is a preacher and Ma Duggar is a teacher, aren't they both mandatory reporters?
bm
It was one of the most invidious, repulsive, exercises in brand-protecting bulls**t that I’ve ever had the misfortune to experience.
That is EXACTLY what went down in that interview. These people were bobbing and weaving and using their best smoke and mirrors to protect the dog and pony show.
The thing about the Lena Dunham thing is that it's beside the point whether the media properly handled the Dunham issue (and as I recall, actually many were horrified.) It doesn't mean there is something improper about the reporting on the Duggars.
Also, without knowing exactly what happened with Lena I do think there is a difference between a curious 7 year old playing doctor versus a teenager who should know better. Facts matter, and I also recall several EXPERTS coming forward when this was happening saying that Lena's behavior was actually pretty normal. That's not the case with the Duggars.
19) They want to continue being TV stars. That means putting their 19 kids on public display at the same time they are demanding privacy for them. This actually makes me laugh, it’s so incredibly dumb.
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I really agree with this comment and it's at the core of their hypocrisy.
Do the Duggars not realize that their show as they know is OVER and only a Proustian essence now remains?
Do they really want their children to be ogled at and pitied, or studied by millions of scrupulous eyes? Do they want their children to forever live in the shadow of this horrible revelation? Do they think that deflection and blame will stop people from placing the onus on them?
It's a fantasy if they think the toothpaste can be put back in the tube.
Could you just imagine if Nancy Grace had interviewed them? Their heads would be spinning instead of their mouths.
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I get there's some frustration about some of the things Megyn didn't follow up on and I can't stand the way she let them paint themselves as liberal media martyrs. Also this nonsense about disclosing the records is an obnoxious red herring. But I also am sympathetic to the idea that Megyn was in their home and had to build a certain level of trust in order to get them to answer all her questions. She has to let them have a little bit. Let them say they are liberal media martyrs. It's not like we can't comment on such an insane viewpoint.
At the end of the day her questions hit MOST of the main points and they got trapped in a lot of dead ends due to her guidance. It wasn't a perfect interview, but it was enough to know where the Duggars' heads are (outer space), and so overall I give her a B+.
My guess is the outrage over the Lena Dunham incident was
that it was between 2 females.
TMZ spoke to the Springdale City Attorney about the release of the police reports.
"Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar are full of it when they say the Springdale, Arkansas Police Chief had an agenda in releasing the "sealed" molestation case ... so says the city's top prosecutor.
Springdale City Attorney Ernest Cate tells TMZ, the case file was never sealed. The reason -- the police report wasn't filed until 2006, 4 years after the molestations began. When the police report was filed, Josh Duggar was 18 ... an adult suspect, and therefore there was no basis for sealing the case.
Cate says he got a Freedom of Information request from a media outlet, and since it was a non-sealed case he was required to release it under the Freedom of Information Act. The names of the minor victims in the police report narrative were redacted.
This is interesting ... in the narrative, Josh's name was redacted because he was only 14 when the molestations first occurred. Cate says when it comes to sealing a case the relevant time is when the police report is filed, so they were dealing with an adult suspect.
Jim Bob and Michelle claimed on Fox News Channel they were the real victims, because the Police Chief somehow had an agenda to get them. But Cate says it's just not true ... the city followed the law in releasing the file."
http://www.tmz.com/2015/06/04/duggar-sealed-case-molestation-josh-jim-bob-michelle-fox-news/
"The Duggars are now like everyone else on reality TV – fallen, humbled – and you could tell in Wednesday night’s interview that they don’t like it one bit. But you could also tell that their faith is unshaken. Not only their faith in God, but their faith in the power of going on TV."
Oh, more than that Mr. Wapo writer. They are royally pissed. I mean, "CAN WE SUE?"-pissed off.
I bet JB is frantically contacting lawyers and TLC to see who can pay for the crime of daring to question him.
Springdale City Attorney Ernest Cate tells TMZ, the case file was never sealed. The reason -- the police report wasn't filed until 2006, 4 years after the molestations began. When the police report was filed, Josh Duggar was 18 ... an adult suspect, and therefore there was no basis for sealing the case.
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Oh snap! Good work, you Beautiful Minds of the Veranda ;-)
Jim Bob and Michelle claimed on Fox News Channel they were the real victims, because the Police Chief somehow had an agenda to get them. But Cate says it's just not true ... the city followed the law in releasing the file."
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This just makes common sense. If anything, I think the anyone responsible for releasing the information would double cross their t's and double dot their i's.
Jim Boob better have one hell of a case to make against this individual in accusing him of having an agenda and releasing the information illegally, or he just might be on the business end of a lawsuit.
I was wrong about what a City attorney does in Arkansas. He is involved in prosecutions. Here's the Springdale City Attorney's webpage:
http://www.springdalear.gov/department/city_attorney/faq.php
Formerly Duped - I am so sorry to hear the sad news about your dog. I hope you find comfort in knowing how well you loved and cared for her. She was a lucky girl to have had you as her mom. I wish you peace.
From Piers Morgan's comments
13)They bleat about the abused sisters’ privacy being violated, yet now two of them will be giving their own interview to Megyn Kelly tomorrow night. The Duggars don’t seem to understand this will only make their privacy violation ten times worse. For them, television is king. Or rather, ker-ching
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It's the Duggars who violated their children's privacy by putting them on that show in the first place. TV is no place to raise a family.
Kudos to the City Attorney office for speaking out and saying they did nothing wrong and explaining Josh does NOT fit under that exception. What say you now Megyn?
This is the thing the Duggar's refusal to take responsibility for their circumstances. When you CHOOSE to be a celebrity, you CHOOSE to make yourself a public figure. With that comes the loss of protection under the law of some of your privacy. That means that as long as there was no malice and all other appropriate laws were followed, the public can go digging into your closets if they want to. Such as happened here.
If you are not aware that your entire background could be up for public discussion once you become a celebrity, then you were negligent.
If this were a private family targeted, this discussion would be completely different. They are not. They are an entertainment family AND a political family, and have inserted themselves into the public eye both in the entertainment and political world. To make matters worse, they tried to tell others the correct way to live, and used their fame to do so. They couldn't be more fair game, end of story.
From the local Springdale, Arkansas television station's website:
SPRINGDALE, AR -- Springdale City Attorney Ernest Cate released the following statement about releasing Josh Duggar's records to the media:
"On 5/20/15, in full compliance with Arkansas Law, the Springdale Police Department responded to a records request under the Arkansas Freedom of Information Act. The requested record was not sealed or expunged, and at the time the report was filed, the person listed in the report was an adult. Any names of minors included in the report, as well as pronouns, were redacted from the report by the Springdale Police Department in compliance with Arkansas law prior to release."
http://www.nwahomepage.com/fulltext-news/d/story/city-of-springdale-responds-to-duggar-claims/41916/TF4nWf-YwESYGzhnqVJJDA
Well Nancy Grace is on the warpath now lol...
Dr. Lillian Glass about Michelle
"I have always warned my readers and those who attend my seminars that whenever you hear a person – especially a grown woman with a sickening sweet breathy baby girl voice) know that something is not right with them. They are usually passive aggressive and not being authentic and have something to hide."
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I would agree with the passive/aggressive side of Michelle.
They are usually passive aggressive and not being authentic and have something to hide."
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Yep. How hard do you think Michelle had to pinch herself to make herself cry last night? It seemed like a little burst of tears and she recovered quickly. She and JimBag are more upset about getting caught in their web of lies cover-up than they are about their daughters being violated by their brother.
Anderson copper is having a field day with this right now
I'm guessing Anderson Cooper and Nancy Grace aren't buying Jim Boob and Baby Breath's story?
Be a good time if any of the Duggar kids are gay to come out of the closet.That's all
Baw hahaha the CIty Atty issued a press release saying suck it we did everything right!! Good for them shutting this down.
What say you now Duggars? You ain't setting the agenda anymore.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 117
Baw hahaha the CIty Atty issued a press release saying suck it we did everything right!! Good for them shutting this down.
What say you now Duggars? You ain't setting the agenda anymore.
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I don't think they'll apologize, but probably should because they heavily hinted about agendas and bribes.
I couldn't believe they went there.
Megyn Kelly show tonight is about the reaction to last night's interview. She's still calling the report release illegal, but said they would discuss later in the show.
She's showing some clips that weren't shown last night. Jim Bob said that Josh turned his life around and is an upstanding citizen who is married with kids.
That's their extreme arrogance thinking that it's okay to just suggest that someone took a bribe just like that. They have absolutely no concern for what an accusation like that means, what it could do to someone's reputation, what it could do to someone's employment and career, what it could do to someone's family. I've said it before, the Duggers are very bad people. The only sad thing about it is that they are completely in denial about how bad they really are. Someone so willing to try to destroy someone else without proof just to save their child molester son does not have the morals and values that I want to be a part of.
Megyn Kelly is STILL raging about the "leaking" of reports. She is still sure it was not legal!!
Jeebus, she's like a dog with a bone!
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 117
Baw hahaha the CIty Atty issued a press release saying suck it we did everything right!! Good for them shutting this down.
What say you now Duggars? You ain't setting the agenda anymore.
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Help! With intermittent internet usage this past week, I'm fairly lost and trying to catch up. Weren't there two police reports that TMZ obtained?
At least Megyn is having people on who are speaking against the Duggars. She's listening and not automatically defending them.
BTW, her show is repeated at 12m EDT. I don't know what time it gets repeated in other areas.
Robert Zimmerman is one of Kelly's guest tonight and he's really good with representing what most people believe about the Duggars hypocrisy.
He gets it. People have known about the Duggars hypocrisy for years now and yes, we're going to pounce in it!
Up next- more on the legality of releasing the information!
They have absolutely no concern for what an accusation like that means, what it could do to someone's reputation, what it could do to someone's employment and career, what it could do to someone's family. I've said it before, the Duggers are very bad people. The only sad thing about it is that they are completely in denial about how bad they really are
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This police chief, after years of service, is evidently retiring and the Duggar's apparent mission now is to sully her reputation and record of service.
Again, the hypocrisy.
Help! With intermittent internet usage this past week, I'm fairly lost and trying to catch up. Weren't there two police reports that TMZ obtained?
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I thought it was In Touch. I read their latest dissertation on this issue, and I really didn't think they had it "in them" to come out with something so comprehensive. So far they've really done a good job sorting things out.
The Lillian glass article was great!
http://defamer.gawker.com/jim-bobs-punishment-for-masturbators-crazy-duggar-tale-1707675683
According to this article, Josh had his head shaved in at least one of the specials that aired, that was part of his confession and shaming. The first special aired in September 2005. But, according to the Duggar's, when they were approached to do the special, they were not all concerned because it was "done with" 5 years ago and they had all forgiven and "moved on". I am no Math Girl, but even I can see that this story just doesn't add up, since the admitted molestations took place in 2002-2003. Do I have that right? Add to the the list of fuckety million lies these two have told. How do they think they can get away with these kinds of lies? I suppose Jesus will forgive them for this, too. If someone already commented on this....never mind! not caught up yet!
What say you now Duggars? You ain't setting the agenda anymore.
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According to the Boober, there was a bribe involved. It just rolled of his tongue so easily. That accusation may come back to haunt him.
Those two should be thankful that they aren't sitting in jail right now. It would be pretty tough making more babies there.
rainbowsandunicorns said... 126
I thought it was In Touch. I read their latest dissertation on this issue, and I really didn't think they had it "in them" to come out with something so comprehensive. So far they've really done a good job sorting things out.
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You're right. It's In Touch. UGH. I'm so behind. Anyway weren't there two different police reports that have been released?
Now JB is saying that Josh confessed to a judge who gave him a talking to.
Huh?
Why would a judge talk to Josh who wasn't arrested even?
You should definitely catch Megyn Kelly's show tonight.
JB is swearing up and down that everything they and their kids told police was guaranteed confidential and sealed.
Again, accusing the police of lying to them.
Wonder if Kate is having sleepless nights? All those lies....
So I guess in Duggar World, procreation absolves Josh.
The city attorney vs. the judge- who is right about the release?
2 experts argue back and forth.
Those of you who know the law really should watch this tonight because this stuff is above my pay grade.
JB is swearing up and down that everything they and their kids told police was guaranteed confidential and sealed.
Again, accusing the police of lying to them.
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Yep, which is no better than saying they took a bribe. What dog in the fight do the police have to lie or take a bribe? What do they care?
Here's a thought, IF they did say that, which I don't know if they did, maybe they were mistaken! Heck, the police had to check with the city attorney's office to even be sure. Maybe it was an honest mistaken worthy of forgiveness? Police officers aren't attorneys. They're under no obligation to give you legal advice and you cannot hold them to legal advice they give you. If the Duggars wanted to be sure, they should have asked an attorney. That's their fault.
What's more, what are they suggesting? Would they NOT have spoken to the police if it weren't confidential? Because that's kind of f-ed up. They needed to speak with them regardless of the state of confidentiality. So what does it matter now, you needed to speak to the police either way.
I can't believe Megyn is still insisting this was an illegal disclosure. Is she talking about the press release?
Didn't Kate pull that baby breath voice on Today when she whipped out ALL THOSE BILLS that Jon left her with?
Megyn showed some more unaired clips. Jim Bob said that all the children were interview by the police. Megyn asked "including Josh". JB's response was no because he wasn't a juvenile at that time.
He said that when they were interviewed by DHS, DHS told them that they handled it great, more so than other families they had dealt with. Yeah right.
Jim Bob said that Josh had to go before a judge, and the judge gave him a "stern warning".
Megyn asked about Josh suing DHS in 2007. JB hesitated for a bit and then said that Josh wanted to make sure that their records about him would be sealed and kept in confidentially.
Megyn pissed me off when she said "and we know how that worked out".
Apparently, she doesn't get that DHS records and police reports are TWO totally separate things.
And she's a lawyer?
Kate Is A Twit (90): "By the end of it, I felt so angry and nauseated by this pair of dangerous, deluded imbeciles that I wanted to smash my television into smithereens with a pickaxe just to rid myself of their sanctimonious, hypocritical faces." (Morgan)
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Thanks for posting this. I wonder if he will tell us how he really feels! :)
He said that when they were interviewed by DHS, DHS told them that they handled it great, more so than other families they had dealt with. Yeah right.
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CPS will do stuff like this. They're like the cops. They'll tell you you're a good parent, butter you up, say you don't need a lawyer and they're about to close the investigation, then turn around and file a petition on you in court and take your kids.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. They can use whatever tactics they need to in order to protect children as long as it's legal.
If Josh went before a judge, does that mean a CPS case was actually filed? I find that bizarre unless there was a case. A judge isn't going to just talk to a random kid like that, it would be very odd.
I trust the city attorney over a judge.
A judge could just be sitting there because his daddy knew somebody, and many of them don't know the law at all. You often have to educate a judge about what the law actually says to get them to do what you want.
City attorneys usually get there by merit, and by an intensive examination.
It's on at 9 pm again for me. I'll watch. I would have watched if I knew they were going to show some outtakes.
And, the CPS report has NOT been released and there's no indication it will be. Now that would be illegal to release.
You're right, Megyn doesn't understand the difference between a police report and a child services report. They are not one in the same. She's a stubborn attorney. Our sort often are.
I think Megyn is genuinely outraged by Josh's ' behavior and aspects of the parents' handling of it and equally outraged that the victims' privacy has been disregarded with the release of the reports. The statute she read tonight sure sounds like it was illegal to release reports that clearly revealed their identity.
TLC is not really, at this point, advertising Kate's birthday much. I mean you either have to dig for it or be watching TLC to catch a promo or two.
So tonight, Mrs. Walton is being quiet but this exchange is funny:
Regina Haigwood
18h18 hours ago
Regina Haigwood @haigwood41
@CarleneMarie_1 @Kateplusmy8 @TLC Can't wait to watch! :-)
Earl Kramer
8h8 hours ago
Earl Kramer @EarlKramer
@haigwood41 @Kateplusmy8 @CarleneMarie_1 @TLC whats happening on June 23?
CarleneMarie
7h7 hours ago
CarleneMarie @CarleneMarie_1
@EarlKramer @haigwood41 @Kateplusmy8 @TLC A one episode of Kate's 40th birthday in Mexico with the kids.
It's a shame Kate's journal did not outrage the public, but it was shoot the messenger rather than investigating her past. She better watch out because In Touch has pulled off some amazing journalism, and yes, I said "journalism". Finally. Who would have thought it? Yep Ms. Walton, you may be next. Didn't Robert work for them?
I can't believe this fact is still overlooked...In Touch filed the FOIA for a *specific* police report; they didn't just go fishing for random stuff in a random town. In order for them to have known there was anything of interest, SOMEONE who knew all about Josh's proclivity ratted him out. That person is pretty angry about the Duggars, don't you think? And the D's are so determined to point fingers and deflect away their own culpability in this mess that they have obviously missed someone very important to their story. Idiots.
Boo, the city attorney explained why that statute does not apply. They did nothing wrong.
There is a state law that discusses minors and confidnetiality. But, when read carefully, it's clear it does not apply to this situation. If a law only applies to apples, you can't assume it applies to oranges. You have to read these things carefully. Something Megyn did not do.
What's more, the report did NOT clearly reveal their identities. Is Megyn peddling that now too? Everyone was redacted, including, as I recall, Josh himself, even though he was an adult and redacting him sounds more like a courtesy than the law. It's not the police department's fault if a good sleuth could figure it out from the context. They properly released it and properly redacted it, and it's irresponsible for Fox news to continue to report as fact otherwise.
Tucker's Mom said... 135
The city attorney vs. the judge- who is right about the release?
2 experts argue back and forth.
Those of you who know the law really should watch this tonight because this stuff is above my pay grade.
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Mine, too. The one guy who was arguing that it was perfectly legal said exactly what the City Attorney said. Megyn kept bringing up the fact that a judge(Zimmerman) didn't think so because she ruled that the reports should be destroyed.
Then Megyn cited an Arkansas law stating that anything involving juveniles should not be directly or indirectly released to protect the victims and went on to say that even though there were redactions you could still tell who the victims were. Megyn said something about think how those victims feel about the reports being released.
All through this she was being very adamant almost to the point of yelling.
The guy had a great comeback. "This isn't about feelings--it's about the LAW".
At the end, Megyn had calmed down and said "well, I guess we didn't clear that up", and, IMO, seemed to agree without saying so that maybe, just maybe, the guy defending the release may be right.
Admin-I hope you watch the show and share your thoughts with us.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 140
CPS will do stuff like this. They're like the cops. They'll tell you you're a good parent, butter you up, say you don't need a lawyer and they're about to close the investigation, then turn around and file a petition on you in court and take your kids.
Not that there's anything wrong with that. They can use whatever tactics they need to in order to protect children as long as it's legal.
If Josh went before a judge, does that mean a CPS case was actually filed? I find that bizarre unless there was a case. A judge isn't going to just talk to a random kid like that, it would be very odd.
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Admin--you're right on all counts.
It sounds like CPS did get involved and maybe Josh was put under supervision rather than placed in CPS custody in order to make sure he got the help he needed and to get him out of the house. Although it doesn't sound like he went to an ACCREDITED treatment center and I can't figure out why CPS let that slide. That's the only way a judge would be talking to him unless JimBoob took him to another 'friend'.
I think Josh did have aspirations for a political career--why else would he want to ensure that his records (CPS) stayed sealed? They would have anyway, surely he was told that?
The guy had a great comeback. "This isn't about feelings--it's about the LAW
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That's right. If you want to talk about what a victim should have a right to then you need to change the law. The city attorney has to follow the law and can't worry about someone's feelings. That's just the reality of it. You're not serving the public well if you are guided by emotions. Don't be an attorney if this makes you emotional. Just like doctors we have to do what we have to do without tears. It's not our role to impose personal feelings on situations like this. That is for others to do. The city attorney sounds very competent.
I don't see my post regarding the victims' rights so not sure if it went through. There are two statutes involved here. The one regarding release of juvenile records and the other that says you can't release records that directly or indirectly reveal the identity of victims of sex crimes. That poorly redacted report left no doubt as to the identity of the Duggar victims. If the two statutes are in conflict in cases like this I would hope that the victims' rights would be paramount.
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I can't believe this fact is still overlooked...In Touch filed the FOIA for a *specific* police report; they didn't just go fishing for random stuff in a random town. In order for them to have known there was anything of interest, SOMEONE who knew all about Josh's proclivity ratted him out. That person is pretty angry about the Duggars, don't you think? And the D's are so determined to point fingers and deflect away their own culpability in this mess that they have obviously missed someone very important to their story. Idiots.
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I've been saying this for more than a week and I still think it could be important somewhere along the line. I read that the police let the Duggars know that a FOIA had been filed. That would have led the Duggars to request that the records be destroyed. Who tipped off the media? Wouldn't it be interesting if it turned out to be someone very close to the family? Perhaps a member of the family? Did they sell this story to In Touch?
Or was it someone who wanted to dethrone the Duggars at TLC?
you can't release records that directly or indirectly reveal the identity of victims of sex crimes
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They did not directly or indirectly reveal any of the victims, and since there were never any criminal charges there weren't any crimes. Again, the fact that they are celebrities and people figured it out does not mean that they are entitled to some kind of higher standard of protection than any other girl this may happen to.
I don't think victims rights trumps a matter of such serious public concern.
Oh, when the guy was defending the release and Megyn was talking about the victims, she even told him that he might feel differently after he watches her interview with the daughters because how emotional it was.
That's when he gave his comeback. BTW, I just realized I misquoted him. He actually said "I'm not arguing emotions, I'm arguing the law".
It seems that Megyn let her emotions override her thinking. I think she was really affected by her interview with Jill and Jessa. But if she wants to do responsible journalism, she should have left her emotions out of it.
The judge who ordered the record expunged has political ties to Huckabee. Has that been brought up?? Shady. Also that order came AFTER the FOI request. Too late. That's like saying you're late for curfew, but not telling you what time curfew was going to be until you got home.
Also if they were never informed of the FOI like jimbob lies, how did they know to file for an expungement right then? Yeah right.
http://abovethelaw.com/2015/05/judge-expunges-duggar-child-molestation-record/
I understand Megyn feeling for the girls too. She met them and they put their trust in her and it's very sad they are upset.
But we just can't be accusing people of doing something illegal because we feel emotional about those girls. That's not okay. She's getting too close to the story.
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Kk said... 145
I can't believe this fact is still overlooked...In Touch filed the FOIA for a *specific* police report; they didn't just go fishing for random stuff in a random town. In order for them to have known there was anything of interest, SOMEONE who knew all about Josh's proclivity ratted him out. That person is pretty angry about the Duggars, don't you think? And the D's are so determined to point fingers and deflect away their own culpability in this mess that they have obviously missed someone very important to their story. Idiots.
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I've been saying this for more than a week and I still think it could be important somewhere along the line. I read that the police let the Duggars know that a FOIA had been filed. That would have led the Duggars to request that the records be destroyed. Who tipped off the media? Wouldn't it be interesting if it turned out to be someone very close to the family? Perhaps a member of the family? Did they sell this story to In Touch?
Or was it someone who wanted to dethrone the Duggars at TLC?
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I've been wondering the same thing, thinking maybe it was a political move, someone or some group who want Josh or any of the Duggars out of politics. (My thinking is probably influenced by watching "House of Cards. lol)
The one regarding release of juvenile records and the other that says you can't release records that directly or indirectly reveal the identity of victims of sex crimes.
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I'm confused. It was my understanding that the records can't be released when the juvenile is a juvenile. Josh is now an adult and therefore it is legal to release those records. Moreover, he never was arrested, detained nor charged with any crimes.
Ex Nurse said... 128
The first special aired in September 2005. But, according to the Duggar's, when they were approached to do the special, they were not all concerned because it was "done with" 5 years ago and they had all forgiven and "moved on". I am no Math Girl, but even I can see that this story just doesn't add up, since the admitted molestations took place in 2002-2003. Do I have that right?
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Your math is right on. 2005-2003 = 2 years, give or take a few month based on the time of the year. BUT, it's really much worse than that.
The first special was 14 Kids and Pregnant Again. According to Figure 8 Films and IMDB, it was produced in 2004 (first showing Sept 6, 2004 according to IMDB). But wait, there's more. According to Wikipedia, child #15 was Jackson, so he would have been the "pregnant", and he was born on May 23, 2004. If Michelle was pregnant with #15 in the special, filming must have started prior to May 23, 2004.
According to Radar (and I believe I've seen this in other places, as well) Josh was away in treatment/whatever from Mar 17, 2003 until July 17, 2003.
So what was the time lapse between Josh's return (July 17, 2003) and the latest date that the filming of the special started (May 23, 2004)? Anyone can see it was less than a year. Using my Math Girl superpowers, I can tell you it was 10 months, 6 days (or 44 weeks, 3 days, or 311 days). And that's the the very most, and it doesn't take into account the time between when the proposal was made and the time filming commenced.
So you're absolutely right to call bullshit on his math.
I like your house of cards theory, Sue! This story is just so good. Kate who?
People has an article about the "safeguards" the Duggars put in place.
http://www.people.com/article/josh-duggar-molestation-scandal-safeguards-michelle-jim-bob
"Gail Wyatt, Ph.D. and director of the University of California, Los Angeles, Sexual Health program, tells PEOPLE that these safeguards are not necessarily effective, and not just for the practical reasons that caused them to fail as Jim Bob described.
"Parents need to recognize that forcing kids to behave in a way that may make the parents feel comfortable or someone else feel comfortable [doesn't necessarily make the kids feel comfortable]," says Dr. Wyatt. "It's just something that we really need to pay attention to and stop enforcing."
When it comes to keeping children from sitting on laps or hugging or kissing relatives in greeting, "kids need to express their own feelings about greeting people and it may be based on their experience, not your own," adds Dr. Wyatt.
Furthermore, limiting certain games – such as hide-and-seek – doesn't get to the heart of the issue. "You need to sit down and talk to your kids about what is appropriate and inappropriate behavior," says Dr. Wyatt, because abuse takes many forms – "sometimes as a game" devised by the perpetrator – and "you can't just identify one particular game because then you might miss four others."
Essentially, Dr. Wyatt stresses communication and supervision as opposed to arbitrary-seeming guidelines in an attempt to limit certain behavior. The Duggars did mention in their interview that they counseled their daughters on what constitutes an "improper touch," though it's unclear whether the sons received the same conversation."
Good point in that last paragraph. Did they also talk to the boys about what was wrong and right touching?
About the police reports:
- there were two (City and county)
- both were released by In Touch
- the Duggar camp has gone after the police chief for releasing the City one (first one released), and the City Attorney is pushing back.
- I haven't seen anything from the Duggar camp about the release of the county one. Did yet another attorney agree that it was fair game for FOI? Oh, snap.
Sue Buddy, pj, kk, that House of Cards theory is intriguing! I agree, someone who knew exactly what to find those police reports tipped off the In Touch reporter. Someone in their little town. Maybe someone related to them? Or a fellow church goer who got fed up with the hypocrisy? It would make an interesting story, I am sure!
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Dr. Lillian Glass about Michelle
"I have always warned my readers and those who attend my seminars that whenever you hear a person – especially a grown woman with a sickening sweet breathy baby girl voice) know that something is not right with them. They are usually passive aggressive and not being authentic and have something to hide."
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I would agree with the passive/aggressive side of Michelle.
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My ex is married to a narcississisti nut job who tried to alienate my dd from me. Anyway, she does that sweet baby talk thing to come off all innocent. Then in a split second she'll be screaming at the top of her lungs. She would pull some shit to make me mad then say all sweet to my dd "is your mom going to take this out on you later?" (WTF?).
Oh, and she's a conservative "Christian" who wouldn't allow my kid to wear bikinis because are immodest." Oh, and get this. She treats her ex like TFW does Jon. Would withold the kids from him. He finally went to court to get more time. And one of the arguments she used was that her ex's wife has girls and her son is 15 and would be "tempted" by the girls. Yes, she told my dd that to dress immodestlly is too tempting for men. I told dd that was bullshit of course.
Ugh my posts keep getting eaten by my iPhone. giving up for the night. Good discussion and agree to disagree about the indirect identification issue. A week ago I had never heard a Duggar speak. I wish that were still the case.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 159
I like your house of cards theory, Sue! This story is just so good. Kate who?
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Ain't that the truth! I definitely don't mean to sound callous or flippant about this, but as we agree, these people put their lives out there in the public domain, so I'll just say, this whole thing is as gripping as a well done drama series.
Math Girl said... 161
About the police reports:
- there were two (City and county)
- both were released by In Touch
- the Duggar camp has gone after the police chief for releasing the City one (first one released), and the City Attorney is pushing back.
- I haven't seen anything from the Duggar camp about the release of the county one. Did yet another attorney agree that it was fair game for FOI? Oh, snap.
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Thank you, thank you! That clears up a bit of confusion for me. I feel I need to make some kind of outline to keep everything straight.
Yes, there is the city and county police reports. Two separate ones. The Washington County one said they didn't have jurisdiction and they punted, that was the end of it.
That was released, I assume by Washington County. Yet I haven't heard the Duggars complain the county did something wrong. It's only been about the city. So what's their take on the county?
Are we to believe a city and county both independently fucked up the FOI within days of each other? What a coincidence! Yeah right.
And can I say again, Judge Zimmerman is in bed with Huckabee! Come on, Duggars.
Okay conspiracy theory. Let's say Josh WAS going to seriously be running and soon, and that insiders knew it.
Let's say his opposition felt like he might actually have a good chance. Maybe they somehow knew about this background or chased down the rumors, and they were the mole that tipped off the media. Josh's reputation destroyed, Josh no longer a threat in the election.
Forget reality. It's like a scripted series.
FORMERLY I am late to the discussion thread but allow me to add my condolences to your very sad loss. I am so glad you had each other and so upset that things turned out the way they did. We always know when we get one of our angels what the outcome will be, and yet we do it again and again because the rewards of the love are so great. I think my last Aussie now will outlive me but I have arranged a place where he will be happy and money to go with him, and we all, all the ones who went before, me, my husband, will all meet someday at the Rainbow Bridge. If all dogs don't go to heaven, I'm not interested either. I know mine have given me so much joy as have yours.
JoyinVirginia said... 162
Sue Buddy, pj, kk, that House of Cards theory is intriguing! I agree, someone who knew exactly what to find those police reports tipped off the In Touch reporter. Someone in their little town. Maybe someone related to them? Or a fellow church goer who got fed up with the hypocrisy? It would make an interesting story, I am sure!
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In one of the clips that Megyn aired tonight, JB even implied it was someone local.
He was talking about when Josh was sent away and disappeared for 3 months, people in their community were wondering what happened. He said that they had confided in close friends and somehow it leaked out, and then a friend told a friend who told a friend. He then said "so somebody was out to get us. They thought that this that happened and I'm going to expose them. It was a very painful thing, and that's what happened. We got a call from the State Police...."
So it seems they even threw their close friends under the bus for letting the word get out and spread in their community.
So what happened to the story about the letter being found in the book that they told the police about in 2006? Were they afraid that Megyn would press to find out who the friend was or question that story more, so they changed the story?
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 184
It's amazing their utter inability to step outside their own little box.
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I initially read that as "litter box". With all the crap coming out of the Duggar camp, I guess either applies.
Megyn is on for me in just a few minutes.
Speaking of child protection services, here's a little trivia. What famous foster child grew up to become a selfless hero who risked her life to try to save her boss and his family and friends?
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 167
That was released, I assume by Washington County. Yet I haven't heard the Duggars complain the county did something wrong. It's only been about the city. So what's their take on the county?
Are we to believe a city and county both independently fucked up the FOI within days of each other? What a coincidence! Yeah right.
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That's exactly what I'm wondering. The focus is entirely on the city as though they're (who ever "they" are) trying to completely ignore it as in -- don't look at that one guys because then it looks like we're wrong.
Interview with the InTouch journalist who broke the Duggar story. Turns out he was the same guy who broke the John Edward's story back in 2007.
https://www.advocate.com/arts-entertainment/television/2015/06/04/19-questions-gay-journalist-who-brought-down-duggars
This is the lead-in to the interview:
The family is being rocked by a molestation scandal that was uncovered by In Touch Weekly, and its gay West Coast editor, Rick Egusquiza. With every day bringing new revelations about the Duggars, Egusquiza is busy speaking with media about the family and the future of the show. The journalist — who made a name for himself in 2007 when he broke the story of John Edwards' affair with Rielle Hunter, which helped sink the former senator's presidential ambitions — found a few minutes to answer 19 of our queries.
JimBob said this incident humbled them. That is the last word I would use to describe this family.
He's comparing this to a kid getting involved in drugs and alcohol. NOT THE SAME.
They are must have sat down together and strategized what to say, because "stupid mistake" is a buzzword they've all used.
Babydoll has a terrible lack of eye contact in the outtakes. She can only look at Jimbo. She's shifty as a hummingbird.
They're comparing themselves to Jesus again. This time Jesus is nailed to the cross forgiving people who don't know what they're doing. What a visual.
JimBob is comparing himself to all parents again, we all have issues. Um, no, no we don't all have issues like this. Michelle had to interrupt him on that one. Yeah, definitely interrupt him on that, good call.
They're saying they were slandered. Oh good grief.
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Okay conspiracy theory. Let's say Josh WAS going to seriously be running and soon, and that insiders knew it.
Let's say his opposition felt like he might actually have a good chance. Maybe they somehow knew about this background or chased down the rumors, and they were the mole that tipped off the media. Josh's reputation destroyed, Josh no longer a threat in the election.
Forget reality. It's like a scripted series.
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Yep, yep, yep.
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and I'm sure you all will forgive me if I'm totally wrong, but this smells like dirty political sh*t, not dirty big corporate sh*t. The question in my mind is, who is behind it and who are the pawns vs the supporters, politically speaking. In other words does Megyn, for example, know more than she's letting on, or is she just a pawn. Hmmmm. Is this coming from the left side of politics or the right side (as in the moderate right attacking the far right...another hmmmm).
Babydoll has a terrible lack of eye contact in the outtakes. She can only look at Jimbo. She's shifty as a hummingbird.
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I read this as "shitty as a hummingbird" and thought...gosh, I never heard that expression before.
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I like your house of cards theory, Sue! This story is just so good. Kate who?
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Gosselin. The Queen of Farts.
That's exactly what I'm wondering. The focus is entirely on the city as though they're (who ever "they" are) trying to completely ignore it as in -- don't look at that one guys because then it looks like we're wrong.
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Maybe there is no butch looking cop they can find from the County to use as their lesbian scapegoat.
I steam when people start talking about the liberal media attack on them. Stop it. Howard Kurtz at least admits that some of the Duggar answers were weak.
Megyn is trying to compare this to Lena Dunham like Sarah Palin did. A SEVEN YEAR OLD playing doctor is NOT THE SAME THING. Apples and oranges. That story was a non-starter. Sure it's weird, but nobody is going to prosecute someone who last touched their sibling when they were SEVEN. And experts came out and said what Lena did was common and rather normal.
I have to say though, Megyn handles the criticism very well. She was pleased that some people acknowledged that she asks some tough questions and tried to get meaningful answers. Fair enough, she did do that at times. She was also asking if she should have been more critical of them. Ok, good for her for being open to other ideas on how to handle this. I don't mind her.
Dining on the carcass of their privacy rights, Megyn?? Another unnecessary visual. Um, so what did TLC do when it came to their privacy? How come the Duggars get to call all the shots when it comes to their privacy? Doesn't work that way.
Side note, I love how TLC has STFU. Totally hanging them out to dry and deal with this on their own. Not a PEEP to help them out. Haha.
Speaking of child protection services, here's a little trivia. What famous foster child grew up to become a selfless hero who risked her life to try to save her boss and his family and friends?
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The woman who hid Anne Frank and her family from the Nazis, Miep Geis. I didn't use google for the answer--that I remembered. I only used google to find out her name, because that I forgot. I did remember that Anne's father was the boss of the woman who hid them.
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Side note, I love how TLC has STFU. Totally hanging them out to dry and deal with this on their own. Not a PEEP to help them out. Haha.
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We can only hope TLC does the same when it comes to Hannah's upcoming custody hearing.
I take what JimBob is saying as that they DID have a CPS case, three years later after the Oprah thing. Sounds like it lasted a few months, and they went in front of a judge. Kids were allowed to be at home. That does happen, they actually try to keep kids in the home, with oversight, if they can help it.
JimBob said CPS didn't file because the police had already taken care of it and not pressed charges. Nonsense, CPS doesn't care what is going on in criminal court. They're a lower standard, and they know full well that there are a million reasons the DA won't prosecute (such as SOL) that have no bearing on whether the children in front of them are at risk or NOT at risk.
JimBob is implying that Josh sued CPS because he didn't want the records released. That makes no sense, the records were never released, and you can't sue for something that hasn't happened yet, so that's a total lie. He then implied that CPS DID release the records. Total lie, the CPS report was never released. He really thinks it's okay to go around in front of millions of viewers accusing this or that agency of criminal activity like it's nothing. Some Christian.
JimBob pretty much said whoever blew the whistle in 2006 had it out for them. What a narcissist, had it out for you! Or, maybe they were concerned about your CHILDREN. Could be that. Tool.
The release issue is getting more complicated than it should be because of all the statutes and how they play together.
The sticking point for Megyn appears to be the statute about not releasing victims of sex crimes without redacting. She seems to now be conceding that the other statute about Josh's juvenile record doesn't factor in because he was 18 at the time. Phew, at least she let that one go.
There's two problems I see with the other statute applying. One, I believe that statute applies to actual crimes committed. If no charges were ever filed, I don't know that a simple police report prepared about some interviews that COULD be crimes counts as a crime that triggers the protection of the statute for the victims.
The second problem is that they WERE properly redacted. All names and even relationships were blacked out. Megyn is working backwards. She is assuming that because people figured it out, it must not have been redacted properly. But people figured it out not because it wasn't blacked out correctly but because InTouch KNEW who it belonged to because of, apparently, the mole they found. InTouch identified who this report belonged to, not the report itself. Once we knew that information, information in the report all made sense. Without InTouch giving us that big hint though, it would be a lot more of a mystery.
The thing is, it's not the police's fault that because there is a mole who blabbed, a news organization was able to connect the report the Duggars. That really can't have any bearing on how you do your redacting. Even if they redacted all about three words of it, InTouch was still going to say it belonged to the Duggars. It doesn't help to redact it MORE, because InTouch was still going to out them. Megyn needs to think this through.
Let's take this simple example. Say there's a police report out there that I robbed a house when I was 16, but they never pressed charges. Say it was released with my name and address, blacked out. If I just posted the report myself and said I have no idea whose this is, nobody else would know either. BUT, if someone who knows me KNOWS that's me, gets the report, posts it and says look here, this is Admin, I'm outed. Suddenly working backwards and knowing it's me, details in the report all make sense, regardless if Admin is blocked out in black marker. But the key here is just because that happened, it doesn't mean that the report was improperly redacted by the authorities just because somebody, a mole, outed me.
On another note, it's funny how InTouch is in full "fuck it" mode right now. Now on their redacted quotes they just go ahead and put the names right in. The Duggars pissed them off by accusing them of all this, and now it's war. But again, it's not the authorities' fault that InTouch is doing that. They have no control over that. THEY didn't do anything wrong.
The timeline on the juvenile judge Zimmerman, the one who is in bed with Huckabee, seems to me that she made her order AFTER the FOI request was granted. It's hardly fair to accuse the police of violating a court order that occurred AFTER they complied with the FOI request. That ship has sailed.
I am also not convinced a juvenile judge has jurisdiction over this issue, as I don't believe she ever had jurisdiction over Josh, not being a minor when it finally reached the courts. I almost think you would need just a regular civil judge to address it. That's one no one seems to want to delve into. It's total judge shopping to find the one judge who is a friend of Huckabee to grant your 11th hour request. It looks incredibly shady, like Huckabee's office arranged it all for them. A judge is supposed to be neutral and I'm surprised no one is talking about a very real potential conflict of interest she has if it comes out she DID do this as a favor to Huckabee. What are the chances that her connection to Huckabee is just a coincidence? Yeah right. If it comes out she did this as a favor to Huckabee she could be disbarred for violating the judicial canon of ethics.
Judges sometimes make orders that are incorrect. The police would have to appeal her ruling to the court of appeal, and that takes time.
Side note, I love how TLC has STFU. Totally hanging them out to dry and deal with this on their own. Not a PEEP to help them out. Haha.
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They're still in the war room strategizing their next move. I think they're laying low because they KNEW about Josh's past, too.
The woman who hid Anne Frank and her family from the Nazis, Miep Geis.
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Yes! She was a foster child because her parents, who were good people, sent her away because they were all starving. She lived with a lovely Dutch family who raised her and took great care of her.
She had worked for Mr. Frank for eight years when he asked her to help him and his family hide. She said she agreed right away, she liked him as a boss, he was very good to her, and she didn't see how she could sleep at night if she said no. He lived with her for years after the war because his apartment was gone.
She spent the better part of her days shopping all around town trying to get them food, because she couldn't shop in the same place or it would be suspicious. All this while having a full time job and being a newlywed.
Now THAT is what is humbling, Duggars.
Math Girl said....
Using my Math Girl superpowers...
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That's what I'm talking about!
Now that JimBob admits that in 2006 they had a CPS case that involved multiple social workers, interviews, and trips to court to speak to a judge, I find it impossible to believe TLC was not aware something was up.
Let's count now. Math Girl, check my work, please, OK? Thanks!
People directly, up close and personal, negatively affected by Josh's repeated "mistakes". I am not talking about emotional tolls, but more
tangible ones.
4 victimized sisters
1 unknown female victim
18 siblings possibly losing major income source.
1 wife and 3 (+1) children probably for sure losing a major income source.
1 retired police chief accused of carrying out an "agenda" by causing
harm to the Duggars.
1 potential political career lost (Josh's)
1 established Arkansas politician losing face
1 judge potentially facing some scrutiny.
I know I'm missing some big players here.
So far I count 31 (+1).
We really never see ahead to the effect of our actions. Especially when we are suppressed 14 year old hormonal people. Still, this has had some far reaching implications that cannot be minimized by crying that the release of information is unfair. This entire mess was started by Josh and pitched into the woods by mom and dad to dry up and blow away. Then somebody lit a match. Whoosh. Out of control. Many, many people are directly affected.
Also, didn't Josh go live with his grandparents for awhile? I thought that was the arrangement when he was sent packing.
Now that JimBob admits that in 2006 they had a CPS case that involved multiple social workers, interviews, and trips to court to speak to a judge, I find it impossible to believe TLC was not aware something was up.
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Yep. You can feel TLC/Discovery distancing themselves from this mess. Brant Pinvidic was making excuses about it a few days ago:
“It’s a really unfortunate bar to be held to: That you’re responsible for every element of someone’s personal life because you’re documenting their life. It’s almost impossible.”
Why does he say that in the same breath as he says
“The networks take an amazing amount of due diligence to background check everybody. They take an extraordinary amount of precaution…and Discovery in particular is actually one of the most aggressive [networks] in weeding out background issues"
So which is it? Shit or get off the pot.
Just reading some articles about Judge Stacey Zimmerman. She once had a ruling of hers overturned by the Arkansas Supreme Court.
She was the judge in a murder case involving a 12 year old defendant in an attempted murder case. She first ordered a media gag order that no names or pictures of the defendant or victim(a police officer) or their families were to be published. She later changed that to pictures only after the media protested.
This is what the SC said about why they overturned her ruling:
The Supreme Court said two points decide the issue of prior restraint for the court.
The first is that the juvenile proceedings were open to the public on May 18 and May 20. Zimmerman closed court proceedings May 25, but reopened them June 6 at Nichols' request.
The second point is that Nichols' photo already had been published before the May 18 gag order and was already in the public domain.
These facts led the Supreme Court to conclude "that the state policy in favor of confidentiality had already been substantially undermined."
http://www.foiarkansas.com/2000/063000gagorder.shtml
I wonder how the Supreme Court would rule about her ordering the police report destroyed, considering it was already in the public domain. Another case of her shutting the barn door after the horse got out.
Formerly, so very, very sorry you had to say goodbye to your brave little
fur baby, sounds like you were an awesome mom to the little sweet heart.
There have been a few of us here who also lost our own fur babies, we will all get to meet each other at that Rainbow Bridge someday.
One word that has been mostly missing in all of this Duggar mess is INCEST. That is what it was, but I guess 'choices' and 'mistakes' don't sound as bad to the parents.
I remember reading about the famous-right-now family, about how 2 of the sisters said they would try to arouse their baby brother when
changing his diaper. More sick minds.
Someone needs to send this In Touch reporter the book Robert wrote about tfw.
So, had the Duggar's reported all of his activity when he was a minor, and had Josh been charges and tried, his records could be sealed, or possibly expunged. Aand the reality show and its ad infinitude possible spinoffs would go on in perpetuity. maybe would have been a Duggar's network. But, because they sat on it until someone reported it to CPS, he became an adult and loses the protection that he would have had as a minor.
My, my....karma really is a bitch!
It won't be long before the wolves come after Kate. Quote from interview with the the reporter who uncovered the Josh Duggar mess:
Rick Egusquiza: Thank you. The rumors of Joshua Duggar being sexually inappropriate as a teenager were circulating for years, but no one could prove it until In Touch Weekly really started digging into it. My bosses received a tip and then sent me and a team to Springdale, Ark., to start digging around. One tipster led me to another, and then another. I have to say it was good old-fashioned reporting on the ground and a lot of door-knocking. Also a lot of leg work from our team of excellent reporters and editors. I'd love to take full credit, but it wasn't a one-man job.
And then there is the familiar name of David Perel:
The interesting thing is that my editorial director, David Perel, ran this story, as well as the John Edwards story, when we were both at different publications. Also, my colleague Alexander Hitchen was a reporter on the Edwards piece and is now here at In Touch, and he also worked on the Duggar story. Two big stories and some of the same team.
My feeling has always been where there is smoke, there is fire. Years of rumors but no proof until there is a tip which leads to another tip. Wouldn't it be awesome if these reporters have been following Gosselin for years? I bet they know plenty but just need the proof to hang her hide.
Wasn't the babysitter a relative? Perhaps she or her family ratted out Josh?
Some interesting tweets from last few days:
David Perel @IMPerel 7 hours ago
@megynkelly Still not telling the full truth, More to come. #InTouch magazine.
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3 JunArngrim @Arngrim
That's what this is about. They are shills for the sex offender defense lobby. #Duggars @PROTECT
3 JunArngrim @Arngrim
Go to http://t.co/B7I3vMZodZ. read about the incest exception. It was struck down in Arkansas. The #Duggars are trying to bring it back.
3 JunArngrim @Arngrim
What the #Duggars are doing is POLITICAL. They are LOBBYISTS. They are trying to preserve "incest exception" laws.
prairiemary, Intouch Weekly did numerous articles about Robert's book, but there must have been no independent collaboration, tips, or threat of lawsuit for it go further. Don't know if this particular reporter is aware of the allegations, but Kate is on their radar, but maybe not his. Too bad Robert did not turn over the material he had to this reporter and just let them dig but I guess he wanted the scoop for himself. Frankly, what she wrote in the journal is history but it explains what she is today.
Zega, the county attorney, disputes Cate's contention that it was legal to release them because Josh Duggar is no longer a juvenile.
"A juvenile record doesn't cease to be a juvenile record when the person ceases to be a juvenile," Zega told CNNMoney.
CNN, which owns this website, submitted a Freedom of Information request to Zega's office for the records. Zega denied CNN's request Thursday, saying records "that may or may not be held or maintained by the Sheriff's Office ... are exempt from disclosure" under the law.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/04/media/duggar-arkansas-police-records/
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