As insane as it is, Mama and Daddy Duggar will sit down with Megyn Kelly on Wednesday to talk about son Josh's history of child molestation of his sisters when he was a teenager.Megyn says a preview of the interview will air Wednesday, with the full interview to air Friday.
Fox News, The Kelly File, 9 p.m. EDT (check local listings).
New Washington County police report.
Read a breakdown of some of the misleading or outright incorrect information from the Kelly interview.
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The report was released because at that time, WCSO was unaware this case had ever been referred to the Juvenile Court. We were unaware there had ever been any “proceedings” in Juvenile Court. It was a Springdale case we assisted in very briefly until it was determined that whatever occurred was entirely Springdale’s jurisdiction and they would be the authorities to investigate. Additionally, various Arkansas Attorney General’s opinions (92-237, 92-330, 98-151, 2003-157 and 2004-071) all deal with the subject of releasing information concerning juveniles. Those opinions cast conflicting information on our ability to lawfully withhold information that has been requested. The Juvenile Court is a “custodian of records” and they consistently rely on Arkansas sec. 9-27-309(j) that bars them from releasing any information. However, the Sheriff’s Office is also a “custodian of records” and we get FOI’d for lots of information on a weekly basis. Because of the Attorney General’s aforementioned opinions we don’t believe we have the latitude to refuse to comply with all FOI requests. If we unlawfully refuse to give the information when requested in an FOI, we can be sued or have charges files against us, however if we give out information that is later determined to be protected, we can probably be sued for that as well. Lawyers on both sides of this issue all seem to think they are right. Custodians of records are caught in the middle. After the news stories broke that stated the Juvenile Court had ordered the Springdale Police Department to now destroy their records, we contacted the Juvenile Judge on May 22 to advise her the Sheriff’s Office also had records about this case and wondered if her order stated for us to destroy our records. It was at that time she advised us she believes even our records are covered under 9-27-309(j) and we shouldn’t release them on this case. We have had several requests from individuals and news outlets since that time, but we now continue to cite 9-27-309(j) as our reason for not disclosing those records. Conversely, we have also been told we are going to be sued or face criminal charges for not releasing the records or in the event we were to destroy any records.
The Sheriff’s Office had never even heard of In Touch Magazine until the story hit the national and local TV news. We have not been in contact with them before this story aired or after. The written FOI request we complied with was from an Abtin Mehdizadegan of the Little Rock, Arkansas Law Firm of Cross, Gunter, Witherspoon & Galchus that we received on May 15, 2015. We mailed the documents on May 21 to Little Rock.
Let's take this simple example. Say there's a police report out there that I robbed a house when I was 16, but they never pressed charges. Say it was released with my name and address, blacked out. If I just posted the report myself and said I have no idea whose this is, nobody else would know either. BUT, if someone who knows me KNOWS that's me, gets the report, posts it and says look here, this is Admin, I'm outed. Suddenly working backwards and knowing it's me, details in the report all make sense, regardless if Admin is blocked out in black marker. But the key here is just because that happened, it doesn't mean that the report was improperly redacted by the authorities just because somebody, a mole, outed me.
Let's take this simple example. Say there's a police report out there that I robbed a house when I was 16, but they never pressed charges. Say it was released with my name and address, blacked out. If I just posted the report myself and said I have no idea whose this is, nobody else would know either. BUT, if someone who knows me KNOWS that's me, gets the report, posts it and says look here, this is Admin, I'm outed. Suddenly working backwards and knowing it's me, details in the report all make sense, regardless if Admin is blocked out in black marker. But the key here is just because that happened, it doesn't mean that the report was improperly redacted by the authorities just because somebody, a mole, outed me.
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Thank you. I guess I wasn't hearing what this "leak" really meant.
So, there's a Deep Throat out there.
Interesting.
Yes, In Touch is all "how do you like me know?!"
I was trying to be unbiased about Kelly and Fox doing the interview and I thought the actual interview so far has been done well.
It was a fine line for Kelly to toe, and I think overall she did just that, considering the subject matter and victims involved.
But, Kelly's post interview spin has been biased and hyper-focused on the leak, and she's dismissive of the molestations and cover up!
Like, "yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all bad stuff, but....HOW DID THIS GET LEAKED?!!"
Kelly is creating a conspiracy theory distraction, as well as honing a re-victimization storyline.
The 2 victims looked truly pained by the public exposure, but I think they need to look at who really did t his to them! It's easy to lash out at the media, and not examine how the people they love the most violated them, failed to protect them, and put them at grave risk for this kind of public humiliation in the first place.
I place the bulk of the blame on Jim Bob and Michelle, for chasing fame and fortune and thinking they were too big, too insulated, too protected for this to ever come to light.
They gambled and lost.
I hope the victims can get professional therapy where they can begin to sort out how this has happened to them, because right now, they look lost.
Sue Buddy, pj, kk, that House of Cards theory is intriguing! I agree, someone who knew exactly what to find those police reports tipped off the In Touch reporter. Someone in their little town. Maybe someone related to them? Or a fellow church goer who got fed up with the hypocrisy?
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Well.......... there was a fifth victim, not a Duggar. Plus, Josh was shamed and had to publicly confess at the local church, so there several people in addition to "Alice" who knew this poorly-kept secret.
Keeping my finger on the media's pulse and the Today show is talking about the fallout of the Duggar interview.
Lisa Bloom (legal analyst)- the parents could have been held criminally responsible for not reporting the REPEAT offender.
The family protected Josh as a child, ok. But now they're doing it again and Josh is an adult. Where is he?
The 2 victims CHOSE to declare themselves. Their names were redacted and while people could speculate, it's the women who are choosing to reveal themselves.
Putting the victims out there to defend the perp just looks bad.
If the babysitter who was molested is under 21, she could bring a suit.
Overall, the interview has been a big fail.
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Border Collie said...
I think my last Aussie now will outlive me but I have arranged a place where he will be happy and money to go with him...
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I have to commend you on your foresight in ensuring your beloved pet is taken care of should something happen to you. Please, all pet owners, make arrangements for your pets while you are living. I don't care how young or old you are, things happen and a poor pet shouldn't have the extra stress of being sent to a shelter if they lose their human.
My daughter has it right in her will about what will happen with her cat, and I've got a plan in place for my boys
Also, if people are up in years, getting them a puppy or kitten is a disservice to the animal. Older people can't always give them the care they need and they likely won't outlive their pet. Adopting a senior animal is the better option as shelters have a harder time rehoming older pets .
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Now that JimBob admits that in 2006 they had a CPS case that involved multiple social workers, interviews, and trips to court to speak to a judge...
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I read somewhere (too many articles) that the Duggars went before a judge to contest some of the orders by CPS. I guess they felt they knew better than the trained experts. Gee, who does that sound like?
During the Today show package on the Duggars, they had a young blonde woman who said she was asked to speak to the Duggar children about abuse. I didn't catch exactly who she was.
But, she said, in no uncertain terms, that Josh should have NEVER, EVER been allowed back in the home.
Did any of you watch Nancy Grace last night? She had Allison Arngrim on her show..my goodness, I just felt such admiration for Allison as she spoke. She was calm, measured, knowledgeable about childhood sexual abuse (as she had been a victim). With all the emotional, hysteria (pro and con) around this subject Alison was a shining light and should be the face for this cause.
"The Advocate:
Hi Rick. Congrats on the piece. How did you come to break this story?
Rick Egusquiza:
Thank you. The rumors of Joshua Duggar being sexually inappropriate as a teenager were circulating for years, but no one could prove it until In Touch Weekly really started digging into it. My bosses received a tip and then sent me and a team to Springdale, Ark., to start digging around. One tipster led me to another, and then another. I have to say it was good old-fashioned reporting on the ground and a lot of door-knocking. Also a lot of leg work from our team of excellent reporters and editors. I'd love to take full credit, but it wasn't a one-man job. "
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This could be credible but something tells me that the Duggars would have found out if he was "door knocking". How could he be sure he wasn't knocking on the door of someone who would tip off the family? I'm guessing this reporter is protecting his source, as he should. I'd be deliberately vague too. This is almost as good as Watergate. LOL
Huh, the reporter doesn't believe TLC knew anything about it.
"Do you think reality shows really vet their cast members?
Yes, but not fully, they miss a lot. But I believe that TLC knew nothing about this."
Oh, boy, not even Radar has mentioned TFW for days! Poor
Schmoopy!
She's got to up her game. Maybe "a source" can spot her shopping
for dresses this weekend, and the tabs will speculate that it's for her upcoming wedding. Then she can set the record straight and say
she's just picking up another Michael Kors dress, because, you
know, she loves him, and loves his dresses. "Thank you @MichaelKors -- YOU know how to help me!"
That idea is free, TFW, but you'll have to pay me for the next one.
You're welcome.
Several years after Josh molested his young sisters, they were brought to the police station and gave interviews about what he had done to them. No one would be charged, as too many years had passed. The police supposedly had promised that the records of the interviews would be sealed forever, and would never see the light of day. What I don't understand, is what was the purpose of the interviews then? The police knew it was too late to charge anyone, and the records would be sealed, then what was to be gained from the interviews?
The distraction technique trying to shift focus to record release is not working. All the stories out there about the duggars that allow comments, public comments are overwhelmingly negative and blaming the parents. Many are wondering where in the world is Josh.
Earlier I posted link to story about Hunter Frederick, the Christian pr expert who declined the Duggars as clients. He pointed out the importance of Josh making a statement, more than just a press release to People.
Why are Ma and Pa Duggar hiding him? It's obvious Pa runs the show for everyone.
I honestly don't think Pa duggar could stand it if another family member was on tv without him. Series with the married daughters? Pa will have his smug mug in the middle of whatever story line Figure 8 would come up with.
Why doesn't TLC just go ahead and say the train wreck is cancelled?
Conspiracy or not, it does not change the facts. Talk about grasping at straws. The family values family is a sham and the right wing Christian conservatives are in denial. I am enjoying the wheel spinning, threats of lawsuits, etc but anyone who minimizes what Josh did is entering dangerous territory because the majority in this country, even those who attend their place of worship steadfastly, are not going to buy the spin.
Megyn Kelly is no fool, just someone who has to toe the Fox party line. She is foolish to shrill such spin. Detracts from her being a journalist, IMO.
From US magazine:
On the subject of forgiveness, Kelly says the message was clear. He has been forgiven. "They told me that," she said. "They also talked about the journey from the pain to the forgiveness, and it was not without some bumps in the road. All of the children went through counseling, all of them, not just Josh, not just the victims, all of them went through licensed therapist counseling to try to get through what happened," she added.
Read more: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jill-jessa-duggar-have-forgiven-josh-duggar-megyn-kelly-reveals-201556#ixzz3cBzSwt1f
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Why do I get the feeling InTouch will refute this?
Formerly.....
Just so sorry about your loss, hugs to you, and I am sure my titte-bitte was waiting on the other side of the bridge with tail wagging, dancing in anticipation of all the mischief the gang can cause. HUGS
franky
crawling back under the veranda..made myself a cute DUGG=out, but can someone please move my straw to a new keg? Orange glitter one is mine. Thank you!
Oh! don"t worry about my straw. it stretches as much as the Doufii's story, um, truth does..
franky
Didn't someone on another thread say that the twins' school had 8th grade graduation yesterday? Not a peep from Kate. Hope they were not filming at the Konpound yesterday.
Jim-Bob says at the end of the interview "Thank you for telling our story".
Yep. that about sums it up....their "story".
The passive-aggressive Michelle is clearly shown in the clip in this article.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/04/duggars-are-cowards-for-blaming-the-media-for-their-problems/
Scary.
It really is a shame about the two Duggar daughters being trotted out like this. No doubt in my mind it was ordered by Jim Bob?
Someone needs to start a #whereisjosh?
Thanks again to all the caring dog lovers and others- today Border, and franky: your words mean so much. I agree providing for a pet should we go first is a sensible kind idea.
Woke up this morning thinking what a great day to go for a walk with my furry one...then remembered. It's been 24 hours, and we are all so lost- we were really really miss her, and her mysterious last illness will haunt us since we don't know the cause. Hopefully she was not suffering before she let us know with her progressive labored breathing , loss of appetite and lethargy.But her passing away was the only option, with all of us there, she all covered in her ripped and chewed blanket, looking quite comfortable and at peace.
I agree that TLC knew nothing when they hired the Duggars, but you can bet that they heard the rumors and figured out what happened. Then it was protect the talent at any cost.
*warning -- this is snark!*
Admin, if you really did break into a house when you were
16, then I, for one, forgive you. Now it's time for you to repent,
so you can become an upstanding citizen like Josh Duggar.
It's easy to get on the straight and narrow. Just slap on a lapel
pin, and start wagging your finger at everyone who doesn't live
like you. It'd help if you're particularly intolerant of people who
break into houses. If that doesn't work, perhaps you can get the people whose house you broke into to appear on national TV to
say they forgive you. But -- and this is the most important part --
you must always let your mommy and daddy speak for you.
Good luck!
There was a quote on the previous page from TLC, bragging
about how thoroughly they vet their talent. I'd hate to see who
they'd dig up if they were lax.
Will TLC do the Friday afternoon dump to announce the Duggar cancellation? Or will they wait to see how the victims' interview
goes tonight? Am I the only one who is sickened by the fact
that Mr. and Mrs. Duggar (typing their names annoys me) are
likely going to be watching that interview with their metaphorical
fingers crossed, hoping the girls "save" their show?
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Sue Buddy, pj, kk, that House of Cards theory is intriguing! I agree, someone who knew exactly what to find those police reports tipped off the In Touch reporter. Someone in their little town. Maybe someone related to them? Or a fellow church goer who got fed up with the hypocrisy?
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Well.......... there was a fifth victim, not a Duggar. Plus, Josh was shamed and had to publicly confess at the local church, so there several people in addition to "Alice" who knew this poorly-kept secret.
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I don't think for one minute that Josh Duggar stood up in his church and told the exact details of what he did. That wouldn't happen. People would know it was serious if his head was shaved (gee, JimBob, a little Freudian there with your hairsprayed, helmut head) but in these situations, you would simply say you sinned and ask God for forgiveness.
JimBob's hair fetish is certainly telling, isn't it.
. We have had several requests from individuals and news outlets since that time, but we now continue to cite 9-27-309(j) as our reason for not disclosing those records. Conversely, we have also been told we are going to be sued or face criminal charges for not releasing the records or in the event we were to destroy any records.
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Damned if they do or damned if they don't.
The issue has to go to the Court of Appeal. Attorneys on either side are adamant their interpretation of the law is correct. When that happens, it has to go to a higher court to sort it out.
And I'm glad that someone explained the timeline of the judge's gag order. They mailed the records a day BEFORE the judge's order. To accuse them of violating the judge's order when that order wasn't even MADE yet, is downright insane and frankly, fucked up. That includes you, Megyn. Not okay.
Several years after Josh molested his young sisters, they were brought to the police station and gave interviews about what he had done to them. No one would be charged, as too many years had passed. The police supposedly had promised that the records of the interviews would be sealed forever, and would never see the light of day. What I don't understand, is what was the purpose of the interviews then? The police knew it was too late to charge anyone, and the records would be sealed, then what was to be gained from the interviews?
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Police are obligated to investigate any allegations of sexual abuse no matter how old. And with minor children in the home, they had to investigate whether the allegations were still continuing. They couldn't know that for sure without interviewing the children and investigating, which they did. And in fact, what was to be gained from the 2006 interviews is that it actually got referred to CPS, who JimBob now admits opened a case with kids-in-home oversight and a judge. The police obviously thought that, old or not, it was serious enough to give a call to child services.
Zega, the county attorney, disputes Cate's contention that it was legal to release them because Josh Duggar is no longer a juvenile.
"A juvenile record doesn't cease to be a juvenile record when the person ceases to be a juvenile," Zega told CNNMoney.
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The problem though, is that Josh was NOT a juvenile when the record was made.
I think there is a fair argument this is NOT a juvenile record. Just because some of the activities happened when he was a minor, if the record is not made until he is an adult, is it really his "juvenile" record? And if no arrest or charges were ever filed, is it really even properly called his "record"? It's just a police report that was written, then filed away. Nothing came of it. He has no "record."
This case couldn't be more fact specific, which as an attorney, I love.
In the outtakes, JimBob suddenly emphasized how many people in the community they told about this, some more details than others. They seemed to be doing it in an effort to get the whole community's support with his recovery.
I think he said that to imply that so many people knew, and that the mole could be from them. In other words, casting blame on his community. Way to throw your own people under the bus. Maybe it WAS them, but still, that's just immature and spiteful to cast doubt on all the people you call your friends especially when you have no proof. I think they honestly don't know who did this or they would have hinted stronger. So in that case just blame whoever you can, proof or not. They're bad people.
So, had the Duggar's reported all of his activity when he was a minor, and had Josh been charges and tried, his records could be sealed, or possibly expunged. Aand the reality show and its ad infinitude possible spinoffs would go on in perpetuity. maybe would have been a Duggar's network. But, because they sat on it until someone reported it to CPS, he became an adult and loses the protection that he would have had as a minor.
My, my....karma really is a bitch!
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Ex Nurse I was thinking about that!!! Had they just let this play out when it first happened and he were properly charged we probably would never even know about this. Then the issue is much more clear cut about keeping records confidential.
I think the records being released are God's will, too.
Had they just let this play out when it first happened and he were properly charged we probably would never even know about this.
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Could be, but wasn't it posted online by the anonymous "Alice" or whoever it was? You eventually get found out, and if it certainly was known by members of the church and community, then it possibly would have been leaked, even if the police report were sealed. If he were to enter politics, people do go digging for skeletons.
Formerly Duped said... 21
Hopefully she was not suffering before she let us know with her progressive labored breathing , loss of appetite and lethargy.But her passing away was the only option, with all of us there, she all covered in her ripped and chewed blanket, looking quite comfortable and at peace.
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Formerly, perhaps Virginia Pen Mom's account of her furbaby coming back to reassure the family that she was happy and well on the 'other side' will give you some comfort.
I hope she doesn't mind if I repost it here:
Virginia Pen Mom said... 54
NJGirl, I'm so sorry for your loss.
I not only believe our pets are waiting for us ... I know they are.
About 11 years ago, I actually saw, heard, and felt our little rescue dog who had died 16 months before. She came running through our bedroom early one morning, tags jangling. She nuzzled my face, and ran out the (closed) window and into the sky. But first, as she started to leave, I called her name and she came back and nuzzled me once more.
(I should add we didn't have a dog at that time, so there's no chance it was a "real" dog.)
I asked my four kids if they had any interesting dreams the night before. My youngest son was about seven. He piped up that he had seen our dog run through the boys' room, that she went over to his brother's bed and "sniffed" him.
His older brother said, "That's funny! I dreamed about her. She was protecting me from a big white dog." My younger son was adamant that he wasn't dreaming, that he saw her. So I fessed up and said I saw her too! I was most definitely awake.
My girls didn't see, hear, or dream anything. Neither did my husband.
I don't know if I've ever posted this story before. I started to when we were talking about dogs having souls. It always gives me comfort. She had been 14 1/2 when she died, was very ill from a fall with internal injuries ... but when I saw her, her gray was gone and she was so HAPPY! So healthy and free. It was wonderful. She seemed to have things to do, as if she just stopped by to check on us.
True story and one of my favorite memories.
March 25, 2015 at 1:13 PM
Could be, but wasn't it posted online by the anonymous "Alice" or whoever it was? You eventually get found out, and if it certainly was known by members of the church and community, then it possibly would have been leaked, even if the police report were sealed. If he were to enter politics, people do go digging for skeletons.
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I'm sure rumors still would have swirled as they did before, but had they actually pressed charges, the issue is much more clear cut that the records should not be released. Had charges been pressed, I firmly believe we never would have seen these records.
As well meaning as insiders have been with their rumors, it was the physical real reports that gave this story teeth. Without proof like that, stories don't catch on so well. As this one never did except among a small group of Duggar aficionados. Until now.
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 78
The Sageway gals are just as appalled about the Duggar interview as we are. That really means it must be the end, however this was posted:
Anonymous Arabella said...
And they are still filming. A friend of mine is in the Gatlinburg area and they ran into some of the Duggar kids with a camera crew in tow. No parents but other adults were there.
June 04, 2015 10:31 AM
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It's nice to know we've found some common ground over this issue. Just because we disagree about Kate doesn't mean we can't stand together on something like this.
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Would someone send this to Megyn Kelly? Seriously, please.
Kelly asked them directly if the show was done, and she was so impressed by the notion that the Duggars would be ok without the show.
Soooooooooo, meantime, the Duggars were cagey because they knew damn well that filming was happening as they spoke?
Wow.....
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If it's so important to you that this gets to Megyn Kelly, why don't you contact her yourself instead of asking others to do it for you?
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 136
Yep, which is no better than saying they took a bribe. What dog in the fight do the police have to lie or take a bribe? What do they care?
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I highly doubt anyone was bribed; however, you don't need a dog in the fight in take a bribe. You just need to be devoid of ethics and interested in fattening your bank account.
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Some interesting tweets from last few days:
David Perel @IMPerel 7 hours ago
@megynkelly Still not telling the full truth, More to come. #InTouch magazine.
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3 JunArngrim @Arngrim
That's what this is about. They are shills for the sex offender defense lobby. #Duggars @PROTECT
3 JunArngrim @Arngrim
Go to http://t.co/B7I3vMZodZ. read about the incest exception. It was struck down in Arkansas. The #Duggars are trying to bring it back.
3 JunArngrim @Arngrim
What the #Duggars are doing is POLITICAL. They are LOBBYISTS. They are trying to preserve "incest exception" laws.
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Mscatie, thanks for posting the above tweets. It gives me a lot to chew over. More to come from InTouch? Wow.
And for Alison Arngrim's tweets, they rather confirm my suspicions that the leaking was of a political nature. How disgusting to lobby for the incest exception laws.
What's with these fanatical, extreme Christians, Warren Jeffs comes to mind, that child molestation happens so frequently?
I was thinking about Michelle's babytalk and the comment by Dr. Glass. I tried doing the breathy baby speak, and I sounded like a 10-year-old male ventriloquist who just inhaled a helium balloon, or Marilyn Monroe in drag with bronchitis. It just didn't work for me
I wonder if Michelle talks like that in real life, or if it's all faked for the cameras,
Honestly I think some people do naturally have that baby voice like Michelle although maybe she accentuates it? That's the one defense they will get from me, and I don't follow their TV show but this news sickens me and also the aftermath. This has been a hot topic on here naturally; sorry I don't have much to contribute but I support the majority of opinions expressed.
Formerly Duped said... 21
So sorry for your loss. I followed your "tail" about your furry one's surgery and recovery. I lost me dearly loved doxie 3 years ago in much the same way. She was fine one day, and was gone the next and I'll never know exactly why. The vet said some kind of obstruction in the intestine and her abdomen was filling with fluid. Such a shock. I still miss her so much. She always made me laugh. Again, so sorry.
I am pretty sure Michelle has adopted that voice for all of her lives. I have a cousin who experienced incestual molestation as a child, and while she has lived a remarkably normal and successful life, she too has a similar voice. Several years ago I read something similar to what Lillian Glass says about voices, and it was like a bell went off for me.
I certainly wish Dr. Glass either proof read her writings, or had someone edit them for her. They are a hard read, and distracts me from the message. That said, she is spot on.
As for the Palins and their dragging Lena Dunham into this none of their business anyway, what attention 'ho's they are. Unbelievable.
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If it's so important to you that this gets to Megyn Kelly, why don't you contact her yourself instead of asking others to do it for you?
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That's as close as I can come to rolling my eyeballs. Thanks....I wish I'd thought of that.
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CNN just stated that the girls will be getting their own show....please god...make it stop!
I certainly wish Dr. Glass either proof read her writings, or had someone edit them for her. They are a hard read, and distracts me from the message. That said, she is spot on.
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Glass's blog is a mess. She's interesting to read, but the presentation is consistently sloppy.
I certainly wish Dr. Glass either proof read her writings, or had someone edit them for her. They are a hard read, and distracts me from the message. That said, she is spot on.
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I can't read her stuff anymore. I was always more focused on her many, many errors and wondering why someone hasn't suggested to her to get a proofreader, or is she like Kate, doesn't take advice?? Dr. Glass could have found the origins of the universe and I wouldn't read what she had to say. I'd just wait for someone else to tell me about it.
Good article.
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/tv/a41464/the-duggar-parents-are-not-victims-they-are-perpetrators/
What the Duggars proved is that their own self-interest in gaining status, influence, and money outweighed the needs of their own daughters — and that Michelle and Jim Bob aren't just kooky religious extremists, but parents capable of remarkable manipulation and cruelty.
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Purity culture .... The whole thing is structured to keep women clueless and subservient, to maintain male power, ....
The two things most important to the Duggar parents. Gather more influence/power/money, and maintain male power.
Oh, Duped...I am so sorry about your dog. I followed the saga and I am sad to see it end this way. I'll give our pup an extra hug today in memory of your precious pet.
Sue Buddy said...
What's with these fanatical, extreme Christians, Warren Jeffs comes to mind, that child molestation happens so frequently?
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I don't think it is a coincidence--I think it is a chicken or egg situation. When people have unacceptable urges, grasping on to the tenets of extreme religion is an attempt to put it in some kind of acceptable context. After all, child molesters are transgressing their own morals and values (except psychopaths, who have none). What better way to absolve yourself, skirt responsibility and excuse inexcusable behavior than to, oh, I don't know, blame the victims for enticing men to cross sexual boundaries? Or compare one's self to a martyr, like, let's just say, Jesus.
I think that Jim Bob has it right that there is a parallel in the bible--the part about false idols. He is not being tested, he is being struck down, Old Testament style--with a 2015 update. If Sunday school studying the Torah taught me anything, the Old Testament God is a grumpy old man, whose versions of shooing neighborhood kids off his lawn, is by smiting them. Old Testament God loves to make examples of people.
This hardly sounds like Josh came to Pa and confessed. From an earlier InTouch article.
The charge being pursued while Josh was a minor was sexual assault in the fourth degree, multiple sources who have seen the police report and are familiar with the case told In Touch. According to the report, Josh was brought into the Arkansas State Police by his father, Jim Bob, who said he caught him leaving a young girl’s bedroom and “learned something inappropriate happened,” one source said.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/19-kids-and-counting-son-named-in-underage-sex-probe-58751
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CNN just stated that the girls will be getting their own show....please god...make it stop!
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Really? For sure? Did TLC announce this?
What an odd time to announce a spin off. The dust hasn't even come close to settling, and I'm not sure TLC anyone knows if anyone is going to accuse them of not reporting this (if they knew).
Dr. Glass could have found the origins of the universe and I wouldn't read what she had to say. I'd just wait for someone else to tell me about it.
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For someone who specializes in language of any sort, you would think she'd be particularly fussy about her blog. She doesn't convince me that she's a professional at all. I think I quit reading her blog when she told one of her readers that if they didn't like her typos they shouldn't read there. Okey dokey.
The Duggars have no evidence there was a bribe. The fact that someone might take a bribe for the money doesn't give such a serious accusation any more credibility. It is not very Christian of them to cast stones like that.
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If Sunday school studying the Torah taught me anything, the Old Testament God is a grumpy old man, whose versions of shooing neighborhood kids off his lawn...
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Thanks for the laugh. Excellent analogy. Believe me, I could use a few laughs in the middle of this mess.
Really? For sure? Did TLC announce this?
What an odd time to announce a spin off. The dust hasn't even come close to settling, and I'm not sure TLC anyone knows if anyone is going to accuse them of not reporting this (if they knew).
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I'm waiting for some kind of confirmation of this. If CNN said that wouldn't it be all over the internet by now? This is a huge story.
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The Duggars have no evidence there was a bribe. The fact that someone might take a bribe for the money doesn't give such a serious accusation any more credibility. It is not very Christian of them to cast stones like that.
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I'm thinking that the Duggars can be sued for slander, given all the thinly-veiled accusations and finger pointing they've been doing.
Lupica gets it.
The good news from Mrs. Duggar, though, is that she still thinks she can save the family TV series, even as TLC takes it off the air and decides what to do with it. Or maybe tries to figure out if there is a way to get bigger ratings and make more money off these goobers.
The Duggars want this all to be about a sealed juvenile record becoming public, as part of their professional victimization. Right. Now they want privacy.
No, the story here is what their son did, sometimes to sleeping girls, and the fact that they are still — and shamelessly — trying to defend him and themselves. You know what these parents really sounded like with Megyn Kelly as they tried to save their creepy empire?
They sounded like accessories after the fact.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lupica-duggar-defense-pervert-son-mind-boggling-article-1.2247346
I'm waiting for some kind of confirmation of this. If CNN said that wouldn't it be all over the internet by now? This is a huge story.
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I can't verify it anywhere yet.
There would be so many questions. Is Josh banned? Is his family banned, too? Will Pa Duggar still rule with an iron fist?
Where has this spinoff been confirmed and by whom? CNN? The only thing I can find is that the tabs are reporting that they are "in talks."
Carol Costello said it....whether she stated it wrong...i don't know...but she said very clearly....i hope she just made a mistake...
TLC didn't announce it ...it just came flying out of her mouth while talking to a psychologist or some professional....
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During the Today show package on the Duggars, they had a young blonde woman who said she was asked to speak to the Duggar children about abuse. I didn't catch exactly who she was.
But, she said, in no uncertain terms, that Josh should have NEVER, EVER been allowed back in the home.
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Today.com has a video and story about that segment. It says that the Duggars asked her to speak to the younger children LAST YEAR!!
"According to sexual abuse survivor and prevention advocate Erin Merryn, in 2014, the Duggars asked her to speak to their children about sexual abuse — though they failed to tell her about the incidents that occurred in their own home.
She's since remained in touch with the family, and just this week informed them of her opinion on the revelations.
"I said, 'I believe that you did not handle this the proper way. That you should have gone to the authorities immediately, and that Josh should have never been allowed to live in that home again,'" Merryn recalled while speaking to NBC News in a spot that aired on TODAY Friday."
Why would they have someone come in and talk to the children last year? Did something else happen?
http://www.today.com/popculture/sexual-abuse-survivor-spoke-duggars-wake-molestation-allegations-t24681
I don't understand why the little girls were not allowed to sit on their brothers' laps, but it's ok to still sit on JimBob's lap.
I mean, doesn't he have the same fragile self control that all the other men in the word have? If all those men can be enticed by a 5 year old's body, why isn't JimBob also enticed?
Their whole premise is that men have no self control over their sexual urges and have to be reigned in and protected by the women.
So shouldn't the girls be staying off JimBob's lap also?
I totally believe the girls are getting a spinoff. Explains TLC being quiet. I guess I'll be signing up for Twitter. TLC is such a bottom feeder.
"They've been victimized more by what has happened in these last couple weeks than they were 12 years ago," Michelle Duggar told Megyn Kelly about her daughters, "because they honestly they didn't even understand or know that anything had happened until after the fact when they were told about it. In our hearts before God, we haven't been keeping secrets. We have been protecting those who honestly should be protected. And now what's happened is they've been victimized."
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So disturbing.
Thanks, Fleecing and Sue Buddy
It is a shock when a dog recovers from a major issue only to succumb to something mysterious so serious & so fast. Many of you understand. I was happy that so many people here cared about my dog via her 'tail' and wished her well, as I do all furry critters past, present and future belonging to all of you. Such wonderful ladies on this veranda ( and under it!)
i wonder if the girls get a spinoff....will jim boob get take his share...you know like a pimp....will he act as their manager?
It's a coincidence that the two girls they want to give a spinoff to came forward...and are willing to speak....wheres the other three....oh that's right...they're not getting a show...this is all so calculated...and we know who's behind it..their leader Jim Boob
I don't understand why the little girls were not allowed to sit on their brothers' laps, but it's ok to still sit on JimBob's lap
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Because he is the dictator, ruler, head of his kingdom, czar, or whatever other word fits that family's beliefs and they must bow to his wishes.
I always thought if any scandal came out about the Duggars it would be that Jim Bob "trained" his girls in how to please a man. I was surprised it was Josh and if there hadn't been so many people who knew of it I would have thought they were just using Josh to cover for daddy.
People has a preview of some of the things the girls said in their interview. They apparently have been well schooled in the main "talking points" and repeat what Michele and JB have already stressed. Of course, there will be some tears thrown in for good measure.
"Josh was a boy, a young boy in puberty and a little too curious about girls," says Jessa. "And that got him into some trouble. And he made some bad choices, but, really, the extent of it was mild – inappropriate touching on fully clothed victims, most of it while [the] girls were sleeping."
Jill, 24, adds that they "didn't even know" about the molestation until Josh had confessed to their parents. "None of the victims were aware of what happened until Joshua confessed," Jessa agrees, adding, "My parents took [us] aside individually, and they said, 'Here's what happened,' and of course at this point, you're shocked.
"I was scared," says Jill, but she adds that she was also "sad" to hear about what her brother had done, "because this is my older brother, who I love a lot. It's conflicting."
http://www.people.com/article/jill-duggar-jessa-duggar-josh-duggar-not-pedophile-fox-news-megyn-kelly-interview
The "extent of it was mild"? Really? Josh did something bad, but it really wasn't a big deal. That's just like JB saying "it wasn't rape", so it wasn't that bad.
They didn't know until Josh confessed to their parents? Which time, first, second or third? Did their parents also tell them that one of them was their 5 year old sister?
More spin and BS, towing the family party line.
Border Collie said...
I think my last Aussie now will outlive me but I have arranged a place where he will be happy and money to go with him...
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A good friend of mine passed away a couple years ago. She had no children, and no other close relatives, but she did have two dogs who were her fur babies. She left her home and assets to her longtime housekeeper, with the understanding that the housekeeper would take over the mortgage and take care of the dogs for the rest of their lives.
I don't know if Megyn Kelly is being told how to handle the Duggar situation by her higher -ups, but she's making a huge mistake in her approach. The way the Duggar parents chose to handle their oldest son's molestation of four young sisters and a babysitter is bad enough. They totally bungled it. But they refuse to accept that they did anything wrong, and want to point fingers at everyone else in an effort to deflect the blame. Megyn Kelly is joining them in this foolish pursuit, which only makes her look bad too. Why would she choose to align herself with the parents and the molester? It boggles the mind.
I am fascinated however, by the seeming fact that there is a mole who has inside information which helped In Touch obtain these reports. Someone with a lot of inside knowledge is clearly unhappy with JimBob and Michele Duggar. The take down is quite thorough.
As to the legality of releasing the police reports: I think that the custodian of records followed the correct procedure. Because the statute had run on filing of any criminal charges, Josh was never officially arrested or charged with any crime. Therefore, there was no juvenile court proceeding in which the police report would have been part of that record. There was apparently an official juvenile offender proceeding of some kind, where the State required Josh and other family members to get counseling, probably required him and the family to be supervised for some period of time, perhaps until he became a legal adult. But that was not a criminal proceeding, per se.
It's pretty horrible to think that the worst part of this whole thing, to some people, is the fact that the report was obtained through a FOIA request and then made public. The worst part is that the molestation occurred; the next worst part is the fact that the parents ignored it for awhile, then thought a 3-month work-away-from-home program was the appropriate treatment for Josh; and that the daughters were given nothing in the way of support, counseling, or protection from their molester. Wait, I forgot another awful part -- the part where the parents decide to sign up for a reality tv show and parade themselves as paragons of virtue who know the best way to raise "godly" children.
"According to sexual abuse survivor and prevention advocate Erin Merryn, in 2014, the Duggars asked her to speak to their children about sexual abuse — though they failed to tell her about the incidents that occurred in their own home."\
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The Duggar parents lied to her, by omission. And I am also wondering why they had her speak to the children last year. Why then? The more I learn about JimBob and Michele, the worse they become.
"Josh was a boy, a young boy in puberty and a little too curious about girls," says Jessa. "And that got him into some trouble. And he made some bad choices, but, really, the extent of it was mild – inappropriate touching on fully clothed victims, most of it while [the] girls were sleeping."
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These young ladies want us to believe that they had NO IDEA that their brother was groping them in their own beds?
How on earth do they play down Josh molesting their 5-year old sister, while she was on his lap?
If anything, this makes matters so much worse.
Taking a huge leap and assuming that the girls' story is true, this makes even less sense.
So, Josh confesses to molesting them in their sleep. The girls have NO idea (I almost can't even write that) and the parents think it's best to fill them in on all the dirty details?
"Hey, you must have been really sound asleep, but your brother groped you while you were in your beds at night".
Does this sound at all believable?
I think the girls knew what Josh was doing, and told on him.
"The girls also addressed charges of hypocrisy aimed at the Duggars for preaching Christian family values – the family adheres to strict fundamental Christian teachings – while hiding Josh's secrets. "If you go back and look at everything that people have seen in our lives – in television, you know – we've never claimed to be a perfect family," says Jill. "
But you were fine if millions of fans assumed just that and until now, have done nothing to disabuse anyone of the notion.
Forgive me if it's been mentioned and I missed it, but I've been wondering about the babysitter who is also a victim. I don't expect her to be named but I've read that she is either a cousin or a friend. My question is 'what about her'? Was she, and her parents, aware that Josh's sisters were also victims of abuse and the period of time involved? Could she and/or her parents have brought this "secret" to the fore?
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Sure the girls are crying and distressed, because they were counting on TLC's money. What other income would they have had if not that? No one seems to have a job.
Auntie Anne you have posted that but I'm so glad you did again? My brother is facing the big decision this weekend for his 12 year old Lab who can hardly walk
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The problem though, is that Josh was NOT a juvenile when the record was made.
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Aahh but if charges or an arrest had been made at the time of the report would he have been charged as an adult or a minor, since at the time of the crime he was a minor?
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How on earth do they play down Josh molesting their 5-year old sister, while she was on his lap?
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I hadn't heard about that. I thought they were all asleep when he molested them.
Oh Duggar girls. Please, for your own sake and those of your future children, get professional therapy. A teenage boy with just a normal interest in girls would be interested in DEVELOPED girls who are not their biological SIBLINGS. It is completely not normal to be interested in a FIVE YEAR OLD or your SIBLINGS.
So shouldn't the girls be staying off JimBob's lap also?
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That's right. Their approach was confusing, inconsistent, and put all the burden on the girls, as if it were just something they did to not quite guard themselves properly around what are just normal and expected urges from the boys. So sad all those girls had to grow up this way.
I hadn't heard about that. I thought they were all asleep when he molested them.
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Washington County report, linked in this post.
She was certainly not asleep, and SHE told, not Josh as they paint it.
Why would they wait until 2014 to approach a professional about speaking to the children about sex abuse?
Did something happen around then?? More questions than answers, as the Today show said.
Washington County report, linked in this post.
She was certainly not asleep, and SHE told, not Josh as they paint it.
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Guess I skimmed over it. So much reading to do my eyes are crossing.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...(75)
"Oh Duggar girls. Please, for your own sake and those of your future children, get professional therapy. A teenage boy with just a normal interest in girls would be interested in DEVELOPED girls who are not their biological SIBLINGS. It is completely not normal to be interested in a FIVE YEAR OLD or your SIBLINGS."
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AMEN! Thank you Admin. It so desperately needed to be said. Their parents' public downplaying and defense of their abuser is going to be a wake up call, sooner or later, and it's not going to be all auburn curls and pretty smiles.
My heart breaks for them.
we've never claimed to be a perfect family," says Jill. "
But you were fine if millions of fans assumed just that and until now, have done nothing to disabuse anyone of the notion.
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And you were fine with criticizing and taking political action against other families, PRIVATE families, for not being "perfect" as you define it. No one was allowed to be gay, transgendered, or get a legal abortion around this family without being blasted. You can't have it both ways, sorry Duggars.
I am a heavy sleeper and even thunderstorms do not wake me. However, when my cat sneaks into bed at night I feel him walking around to his spot and if he touches me I wake right up. These poor girls are so brainwashed that they do not understand that sticking up for their brother is totally wrong and puts other girls at risk. Of course they knew they were being touched and it makes more sense that they told on Josh rather than Josh confessing his sins to his parents. I feel their is more coming out on this mess and whoever has an axe to grind with JB and Michelle has plenty on them to keep this saga going. You can only spew hate for so long and Karma comes along and bites you in the butt.
AMEN! Thank you Admin. It so desperately needed to be said. Their parents' public downplaying and defense of their abuser is going to be a wake up call, sooner or later, and it's not going to be all auburn curls and pretty smiles.
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Those of you who have brothers, what did they do when curiosity struck at this age? Dirty magazines! That's the normal way most of us find out little Johnny is growing up. Those are photos of developed WOMEN, and not siblings.
Yes, it's normal for teenage boys to be interested in girls, they are right about that. But usually they know better than to go seek out their sisters for that. It's not wrong he was interested in the opposite sex, it was that he sought out young children and sisters to explore that interest--that is what is not acceptable about it. It's almost acting like they are acting like his **curiosity** was wrong, and not the sibling/young child part about it. They are so off base and it's really incredible spin.
Sort of interesting that the new husbands have nothing to say. Aren't they in charge of the Duggar girl wives now? Maybe not at JimBoob's court. This whole thing is so ridiculous and so clearly a grab to keep on the TLC payroll. Missionary trip to Nepal? Bringing a new baby there too? Hope these advertisers really feel the push back and get this family off TV.
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Those of you who have brothers, what did they do when curiosity struck at this age? Dirty magazines! That's the normal way most of us find out little Johnny is growing up. Those are photos of developed WOMEN, and not siblings.
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My brother used to look at the women's underwear ads in the Sears Catalog!
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And you were fine with criticizing and taking political action against other families, PRIVATE families, for not being "perfect" as you define it. No one was allowed to be gay, transgendered, or get a legal abortion around this family without being blasted. You can't have it both ways, sorry Duggars.
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Really brings home the homily: Judge not, lest ye be judged.
We all do it. We all make judgments about what other people do. This board sits in judgment of Kate (and originally both Kate and Jon) for child exploitation, abuse, and for just being a miserable human being. I judge my neighbors who live on the other side of my small fenced yard, because they drink too much and then argue loudly with each other. Maybe someone I know judges me because I like to play bingo, which is technically gambling.
However, none of us hold ourselves out to the general public as examples of righteous and wonderful people. I don't actively try to take rights away from people who I consider sinners. I'm not out protesting against allowing transgendered people to use a public restroom and accusing them of being child molesters, while at the same time I've hidden my own son's molestation from the public for over a decade.
If you are going to make a career out of promoting yourself and your beliefs as righteous and an example to others, then you better be darn sure you come clean about the own skeletons in your closet first.
Those of you who have brothers, what did they do when curiosity struck at this age? Dirty magazines! That's the normal way most of us find out little Johnny is growing up. Those are photos of developed WOMEN, and not siblings.
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Hmm.. National Geographic and a picture of our neighbor who was buxom (and clothed!).
I saw clip of the upcoming interview on inside edition and Jessa and Jill both seemed super nervous and scared to me.
To me those girls were afraid to say anything wrong and that interview seems highly forced.
It remind of of C&M being forced to speak on GMA.
My brother used to look at the women's underwear ads in the Sears Catalog!
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Before the days of Frederick's Of Hollywood catalogs?
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 80
That's right. Their approach was confusing, inconsistent, and put all the burden on the girls, as if it were just something they did to not quite guard themselves properly around what are just normal and expected urges from the boys. So sad all those girls had to grow up this way.
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It also did a great disservice to the boys in that family. They were raised being told they could not control their urges, and therefore must always have an accountability buddy watching them. What a horrible message to send to young men. "You cannot be trusted alone around any female, even your own sisters, because your manly urges will take over and make you do bad things."
The more I try to wrap my mind around the belief system that Mr. and Mrs. Duggar have, the more warped it becomes.
We all do it. We all make judgments about what other people do. This board sits in judgment of Kate (and originally both Kate and Jon) for child exploitation, abuse, and for just being a miserable human being. I judge my neighbors who live on the other side of my small fenced yard, because they drink too much and then argue loudly with each other. Maybe someone I know judges me because I like to play bingo, which is technically gambling.
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Yes, and I would argue they went beyond just having an opinion about somebody and instead actively tried to infringe on others rights all the while basing it on a Bible they weren't even following themselves. And, they went after private people. Criticism of public figures who put themselves out there is very protected. That wasn't what they were doing. It went far beyond normal and acceptable public discourse.
Now, when the public is exercising their very same right to have a public discourse about a matter of public concern regarding a public, political family, they call foul. If they want to publicly shame people over their choice of restroom and imply they are child molesters, they may do so, but they also need to be subject to the same questions. Again, they can't have it both ways.
I just find it so ironic to see them crying about their privacy. How do you think someone felt when the Duggars called them a child molester simply because they best identified with the ladies', or mens' restroom? Can you imagine perhaps that made that person or persons cry?
https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/abuse-survivor-reveals-duggar-text-messages-the-120789500852.html
Erin Merryn was the (blonde) guest on the Today show that I wrote about. Yahoo Parenting interviewed her.
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"What do you think of the way that Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar handled the situation when they found out Josh abused his sisters? They didn’t call the police right away, but instead tried to handle it at home and eventually sent Josh away to a training center for kids who made bad choices.
They made mistakes. They should have gone to the authorities right away. If they had removed their son from the beginning, we wouldn’t have multiple victims. Keeping Josh in the home was a danger. He said, ‘I’ve done this,’ so why are you keeping him in the home? Send him to an aunt or uncle’s home, to a grandparent’s… they needed to put in safety measures more than just making sure Josh can’t get into the girls’ bedrooms at night. When you have a family that big, you can’t keep an eye on everyone. "
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Tucker's Mom said... 72
How on earth do they play down Josh molesting their 5-year old sister, while she was on his lap?
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I hadn't heard about that. I thought they were all asleep when he molested them.
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According to Ma and Pa, Josh is now an adult, grown, and just fine. However, how can they and Dingbat Mrs. Josh be absolutely certain that little girls, including his own, are now safe sitting on Josh's lap. If it were me, I'd never allow it, but do those in his family keep an eye on him?.
I don't think for one minute that Josh Duggar stood up in his church and told the exact details of what he did. That wouldn't happen.
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I believe It was Alice herself who said this happened; she witnessed this. I will try and find her description of how she came to know that this happened this way.
"Hey, you must have been really sound asleep, but your brother groped you while you were in your beds at night".
Does this sound at all believable?
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No. Not at all. There are so many variations to this tale, that it's hard to know what to believe. Those girls just need to shut the heck up because they're making everything much worse, if that's possible.
"Jill and Jessa Duggar’s interview with Fox News airs on Friday night, and clips have already been released of them defending their brother. Are you surprised?
Not at all. What I can take from my own experience is that they are probably protecting their mom and dad. These are their parents, and they probably hate seeing their parents destroyed in the media, so the last thing they are going to do is say their parents handled it the wrong way or that it was dirty or shameful. I did the same thing."
Another quote from this excellent interview. This young woman is a survivor, author, advocate and a real straight shooter.
https://www.yahoo.com/parenting/abuse-survivor-reveals-duggar-text-messages-the-120789500852.html
I hate that Michelle and Jim Bob are placing such a huge burden on the victims. Those girls are being offered up as a Hail Mary pass to save their show.
"Hey, you must have been really sound asleep, but your brother groped you while you were in your beds at night".
Does this sound at all believable?
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No. And think of it this way, if they are so adamant they were sound asleep and never witnessed a thing, how can they be so sure he didn't continue to do it? For all they know it happened 100 times or 1 if they are so sure they slept through it, it's anyone's guess.
Millicent (71): "The more I learn about JimBob and Michele, the worse they become."
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They are bad seeds in the garden of life; two blemishes on the face of humanity, and both of them make me sick.
Someone needs to start a #whereisjosh?
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I know this might not be a popular opinion, but Josh is really not responsible for how his parents handled him and his victims. I truly believe he was as much a victim of his parents' willful ignorance as the victims he molested. Yes, fourteen is old enough to know right from wrong, but a 27 year-old reflecting back on his parents' choices at the time is useless.
The pound of flesh people want to extract really begins and ends with Jim Bob and Michelle. I'm actually glad that Josh wasn't hung out to dry by his parents, though I'm beyond dismayed they did it to their daughters (which, when you think about it, is their MO in all things 'Duggar' - girls don't count).
These are their parents, and they probably hate seeing their parents destroyed in the media, so the last thing they are going to do is say their parents handled it the wrong way or that it was dirty or shameful. I did the same thing."
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Absolutely. They don't deserve such a burden. If they do feel upset and traumatized by this, they can't feel safe to say so, because they would be betraying their parents and family, and what's more, their parents' very livelihood. What young woman wants to be the reason their family isn't raking in their big fat paychecks anymore? This burden could be so great I wouldn't be surprised if the girls have actually convinced themselves it's all fine, even if it's not.
It's a terrible position to put a sexual abuse survivor in.
I know this might not be a popular opinion, but Josh is really not responsible for how his parents handled him and his victims. I truly believe he was as much a victim of his parents' willful ignorance as the victims he molested. Yes, fourteen is old enough to know right from wrong, but a 27 year-old reflecting back on his parents' choices at the time is useless.
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I am leaning more toward the bulk of the blame is on Jim Bob and Mama, after hearing their interview. They're totally nuts, and it's not Josh's fault if they handled this in their completely nuts way. It's not like a 14 year old can realize the sort of therapy and treatment he really needed. He can't tell his parents what to do when he's 14. He's too young.
That said, I think it's wrong for a 28 year old man to have mom, dad and little sisters out there cleaning up his messes, no matter how much the mess was really sort of mishandled by the parents. He needs to grow up and deal with this, even if it means just sitting there next to them. But they are here because of what he did, and it's irrelevant at this point that he may have been a child when it happened. He's an adult NOW.
I think he's afraid of criminal liability because I wouldn't be surprised if there are things out there, perhaps that we don't know about, that maybe still are within a SOL.
chefsummer #Leh said... 92
I saw clip of the upcoming interview on inside edition and Jessa and Jill both seemed super nervous and scared to me.
To me those girls were afraid to say anything wrong and that interview seems highly forced.
It remind of of C&M being forced to speak on GMA.
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I think I might just read comments here because those young ladies are a hot mess.
They seem nervous and coached and really upset.
I don't blame them.
I think these articles were interesting--sorry, I don't know how to make the links clickable.
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"I think the girls knew what Josh was doing, and told on him." So true especially in light of Josh's comment in the article below. I doubt Josh's mindset has changed much over the years and he still sees the one sister and others who have helped to expose his behavior as "tattletales."
http://thestir.cafemom.com/celebrities/186321/ did_jill_jessa_duggars_weddings
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Since I never watched the Duggars on a regular basis, the article below helped me with the timeline and whereabouts of the molestation(s) because I had forgotten about the 3 bedroom house they were in at the beginning of their association with TLC. So when TLC helped finance the Duggar's new house, how did Ma & Pa Duggar explain the layout? Didn't Josh molest at least one girl after the move to the new house?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3111089/How-Duggars-built-custom-home-family-molestation-girls-bedroom-blocked-master-suite-boys-room-molester-son-Josh-slept-house-catwalk.html
I have six brothers. They always liked National Geographic and you could hear them snickering about some of the pictures. Once in awhile one of their friends would get hold of a Playboy magazine, but not one of them or their friends ever tried anything with me or my sisters. As of matter of fact they were all protective of us. I am blessed.
I wonder if any of the news shows will have Alison Arngrim as a
panelist after tonight's interviews air. She's smart and articulate,
and her take on things as an incest survivor would be particularly
relevant.
The snippets we've heard so far are quite disturbing to me. The
attacks have been minimized to the point where the girls talk
about it like it wasn't much more than an annoyance. Like, "Oh,
that pesky brother of ours!" So what if they were fully clothed?
I don't care if they were wearing hazmat suits -- their brother
was getting sexual gratification from touching them, and that
was sick and wrong, and they didn't deserve it.
ETA: What I do hold Josh 1,000% accountable for, and not his parents, is his public political hate on any minority he deems unworthy. At the very least, his own past should have caught him up short on this.
Exactly. Where is Josh now? Apparently not putting pressure on his parents to keep his sisters from going through even more stress and trauma on his behalf. No, now that Josh Boy has lost his big job, he is also dependent on the fortunes of Jim Boob and TLC. A spin off show? The checks will go to JB, and he will distribute as he sees fit. They are all in thrall to his will. Probably forever and ever.
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I'm sorry, but all animals are programmed to wake when touched. It's a survival mechanism. It doesn't mean you will wake and punch someone, but you will wake. Especially if someone STICKS A FINGER INSIDE OF YOU!!
Isolation from peers is a control method used in brainwashing. This entire family has spent far too much time isolating themselves from the rest of the world. The parents have insulated their children to the point that they don't even understand the concept of free will.
ALL of them need therapy and general education. I do believe this is one of the most effed up families I have ever seen and they are breeding more generations of this? Crikey!
Admin (#101), to continue your line of logic, if the girls slept
through the attacks, how do we know they lasted "just a few
seconds?" I don't think we can take Josh's word for it.
Remember, he was just a very young boy at the time.
So far behind in my reading! Did anyone else read that Josh had been addicted to pornography, or is that a lie.
just wondering said... 112
I'm sorry, but all animals are programmed to wake when touched.
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I guess someone screwed up when they programmed me, because I don't always wake up if I'm touched. In fact, this morning when I got awake, there was a scratch on my arm that obviously had bled during the night. The culprit...a cat scratch.
I can pet the top of my cat's head when she's sleeping and she never stirs, eyes tightly closed. She's doing it right now!
I guess we're just really sound sleepers and lack the survival mode.
Admin (#101), to continue your line of logic, if the girls slept
through the attacks, how do we know they lasted "just a few
seconds?"
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GOOD POINT. How do they know what occurred during the attacks at all?
I think the parents TOLD THEM they were asleep, drilled it into them you were asleep, you felt and noticed nothing, and eventually this brainwashing became their truth. When you're that young your memories are very susceptible, and a manipulative parent can easily convince you of something that never occurred or something that did occur, or whatever they feel like planting in your head. That's how parental alienation works so well.
I think the girls are telling what has become their truth. They felt nothing, they are fine now. They are going to need extensive therapy to get past how they've been told to think.
Localyocul....76
My sister-in-law is a Veterinarian, so I called her when our old dog suddenly stopped eating. I called my SIL hoping for suggestions to get our old girl to eat, as we were running out of ideas. She calmly told me that our loyal dog had never asked us for a thing, that she had given us nothing but joy for 17 years. She said, "the only thing she will ever ask of you is to let her go" It was time, we had to face it, we could not ask her to go on for us. Our own Vet (my SIL lives a few hours away) confirmed that she was simply old, tired and ready to go. We made the decision knowing it was best for her, we needed to honour her, so we set our emotions aside and said good-bye.
I feel badly for your brother, for Formally Duped, for all of us who have loved and lost our pets. But, we are the ones who can take away the pain and we must take that difficult step knowing our beloved pet can not
continue on.
http://www.today.com/popculture/sexual-abuse-survivor-spoke-duggars-wake-molestation-allegations-t24681
In the bottom video in this article (the one that has Smugger's Mug on it), at about :55 seconds in, they say "The incidents occurred in 2002 just before the family began filming its first TV special '14 Children and Pregnant Again'". Except for leaving out the 2003 incidents, they have the timeline exactly right. While they are saying that, they have scenes from the first special running in the background. Note it's "JUST BEFORE", not several years before!
I think the girls are telling what has become their truth. They felt nothing, they are fine now. They are going to need extensive therapy to get past how they've been told to think.
June 5, 2015 at 2:54 PM
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I agree and think the girls are telling their truth as they've known it for so long.
It has to be a coping mechanism, given that they were forced to live with Josh. Better to sublimate it than deal with the ongoing fear and shame.
What don't people get??
Rather they were sleeping or awake it's NOT OKAY to sexually touch your sister and a friend.
Jumping In said... 117
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Sorry to keep commenting on my dog, but I agree. My little girl in her weakened state at the vet's lifted her head one last time and made eye contact with me. I know she was checking if I was beside her and if it was ok to rest. I told her I loved her and to have a good sleep.They say hearing is the last sense to 'go' so I kept talking to her, right in her furry ear. It was very peaceful, I made sure she was covered and looking comfortable and said my final goodbye...although I keep talking to her today!
they are fine now
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I don't think they are fine.
The look on Jessas face while she was talking during her interview told me that she was still scared.
They seem nervous and coached and really upset.
I don't blame them.
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One of these girls is pregnant, I hardly think the STRESS and ANXIETY of being interviewed is healthy for her.
But JB said she had to do the interview...guess we need to save the TLC bank at all costs....
I think the parents TOLD THEM they were asleep, drilled it into them you were asleep, you felt and noticed nothing, and eventually this brainwashing became their truth. (116)
Yes, you're absolutely right, Admin... But even so: in what universe that makes it all "much ado about nothing"?!! A few years ago where I live, a very reputable plastic surgeon was arrested and sent to jail for abusing one of his patient while she was still under anesthesia. (He was caught in the act by her sisters...) And we've all read or heard stories about dentists doing the same thing. Almost all are arrested and sent to jail. Not a single abused patient saying: "You know what? I was sound asleep when he had his way with me. 'Never felt a thing! Why don't we just drop the charges?"
I was thinking about the classic Kurosawa film "Rashomon," where
everyone tells a different version of how a murder occurred. But
what we have here is "Joshomon" -- everyone agreeing on the
exact same version of things to make the attacks seem as
innocuous as possible, with their precious Josh emerging as a tenderhearted repentant hero.
The more I read about the interviews and the line the dUGHars are spouting, the more I just want to bang my head against a brick wall. The Washington Co. police document said that Josh groped the girls' breasts and vaginal area. Yet they supposedly were sound asleep and didn't know about it? That begs the question, how did he get at their vaginal area without waking them up? I sure don't sleep so that my vajayjay is flapping in the breeze, and I imagine most other women don't either. Even sprawled all over the bed, that area is pretty well hidden and inaccessible most of the time. So he would have had to shift their positions, and that didn't wake them up? I'm a very sound sleeper (slept thru a couple of fire drills in college), but if someone were pawing at me and shifting my position I'd sure wake up. I think they were fully aware of what was going on and were either "playing possum" hoping it would go away, or they were so stunned and surprised and ashamed that they didn't know how to react. Didn't know about it, my Aunt Fannie! Oy! I'm going to join Auntie Ann and franky under the veranda. I need rumspringa. Lots and lots of rumspringa. Would someone hand me a straw, please?
Hmm.. National Geographic and a picture of our neighbor who was buxom (and clothed!).
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LOL! Our neighbor was a 250-pound Amish lady. The only visible body parts were her face and hands. She might have been buxom, but there was no way to tell. There was nothing about her that would have excited my brothers!
Call me cynical, but I'm surprised TLC let them file right now or maybe they encouraged it to distract from the Duggar mess.
http://www.eonline.com/news/663779/little-people-big-world-s-matt-and-amy-roloff-file-for-divorce?cmpid=rss-000000-rssfeed-365-celebritynews&utm_source=eonline&utm_medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=rss_celebritynews
The girls seem to truly love their brother, and have truly forgiven him - that I believe. What will be difficult for them to comprehend (in the future, maybe) is that it doesn't mean that he did not molest them.
Especially if someone STICKS A FINGER INSIDE OF YOU!!
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I haven't been able to read all of the comments and details about this. Were the graphic details of this molestation disclosed? How is this known, and wouldn't that be digital rape?
Kk said... 98
I don't think for one minute that Josh Duggar stood up in his church and told the exact details of what he did. That wouldn't happen.
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I believe It was Alice herself who said this happened; she witnessed this. I will try and find her description of how she came to know that this happened this way.
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Notice I said "the exact details". If he had, this story would have broke years ago. I believe he would have alluded to sexual impropriety, but didn't name his victims or state exactly what "mistake" he made.
PA Dutch Mom said... 127
Hmm.. National Geographic and a picture of our neighbor who was buxom (and clothed!).
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LOL! Our neighbor was a 250-pound Amish lady. The only visible body parts were her face and hands. She might have been buxom, but there was no way to tell. There was nothing about her that would have excited my brothers!
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I remember snooping through my brother's room one day and found the photo, and thought, "why does he have a photo of 'X'?"....ohhhhhhhh.
Sometimes the stricter the parents, the wilder they were in their youth. I sense that Jim-Bob and Michele have put such unbelievable restrictions on their children's involvement with the opposite sex because those two know, from their own experiences,the pleasure of a close, physical relationship between two young people. I expect that Jim-Bob and Michelle had no such restrictions in their pre-marital relationship and find them to be cruel in denying their children the right to explore what should be the normal, pleasurable physical part of developing a relationship with their partner. Unfortunately, the more the parents try to suffocate their children's normal desires, the more likely they will fuel the fire. Josh may be the proof. He probably won't be the last.
On WTF-o-meter: The Duggars not only seem to think it's okay for their boy to molest their girls "over their clothes", they expect everyone else to believe that it even happened this way. I mean, really, just what 'curiosity' would be satisfied by touching CLOTHING?
Have the girls forgiven him. He was the only older kid not to be in Jessa and Jill's wedding. I think their parents told them the jest of what to say. Not having he in their wedding was standing up for themselves
According to Celeb Dirty Laundry, Star Magazine doled out their Celebrity Mom Report Cards - TFW received a D-.
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A quote from one of two older girls...
"We were sad whenever he was sent away, you know, because it’s your brother,"
What does she mean...whenever he was sent away. That implies he was sent away more than once.
If it had only been the one time, she would have said "when he was sent away".
Sounds like he got sent away a few times.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jill-duggar-on-familys-safeguards-after-josh-confession-locks-201556#ixzz3cEW907Ec
Readerlady, if you're going under the porch, say hi to Franky,
AuntieAnn and JolieJacqueline (sp?) for me. Bring a deck of
cards -- you gals can start a bridge game!
I posted this before, from Josh and Anna's website:
Josh: As I became a teenage young man I was constantly tempted to have lots of wrong thoughts, and often battled to keep my heart right. One of the greatest things that helped me in my struggles was my parent’s commitment to accountability. They were faithful to talk with each one of their children – if we were willing to share honestly & openly with them – to maintain a clear conscience. I learned quickly that great freedom can be achieved by accountability, and great accountability requires humility & openness. I often had failures in my early teenage years, but found I had a clear conscience only when I was willing to confess my thoughts and temptations quickly to God & my parents. (1 John 1:9)
From http://ja20.com/ourstory/
I suspect that the confession that Josh made in public, and to Anna's family when they first met, were in this vein. He admits to being tempted and having wrong thoughts, but doesn't give any details of how the wrong thoughts led to him abusing young girls.
Our time window narrows.
From Josh and Anna's website:
In 2003, the Duggar family was contacted by producers to film their first show with the Discovery Health Channel called, “14 Children and Pregnant Again!”
So the Duggars were contacted about filming less than 6 months after Josh returned from rehab/whatever in July, 2003.
What does she mean...whenever he was sent away. That implies he was sent away more than once.
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I have family in the area.....it may be colloquial turn of phrase. or..... he "went away" more than once.
OT-Jumping In, your post made me break down and cry. Our rescue Border Collie is older than what we thought, has a brain tumor now. He is on steroids, which seemed to bring back the way he was when we first got him, but they make him so hungry. He will soil himself from time to time, but we just quietly pick it up, do not want him to feel like he is doing something bad. We will love him until he has to go, but it will break our hearts. I really enjoy reading about every ones fur babies on here:)
Another marriage bites the dust. Shame on you, TLC.
Oy! I'm going to join Auntie Ann and franky under the veranda. I need rumspringa. Lots and lots of rumspringa. Would someone hand me a straw, please?
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Should I place a call to the Rumspringa Brewery for additional kegs? Just let me know. Auntie has been proven to be quite a guzzler.
prairiemary said... 142
OT-Jumping In, your post made me break down and cry. Our rescue Border Collie is older than what we thought, has a brain tumor now. He is on steroids, which seemed to bring back the way he was when we first got him, but they make him so hungry. He will soil himself from time to time, but we just quietly pick it up, do not want him to feel like he is doing something bad. We will love him until he has to go, but it will break our hearts. I really enjoy reading about every ones fur babies on here:)
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Oh, gosh, it's so hard, isn't it?
Our older dog had a cancer scare (false alarm but still screening him) and has arthritis. He's responding to meds and therapy, and we are gratefully enjoying every day with him.
Right now, he's happy, engaged and enjoying food a little too much!
Thanks, FlimsyFlamsy! I have been here but with no computer. I was able to type a SOS lol on smart tv and typing it out with the tv remote was very frustrating. The exit button is right under the move right key and it would wipe out everything I typed. I just got my new computer today and I am so grateful that someone who cares about me got it to replace the one that fell apart.
This Duggar story is just incredible. Watched the interview. I was slapping my hands, hollering at Jim Bob and Michelle for their insane statements.
Someone posted that JB said on the show while he was standing in the doorway of the girls room that he said, he could remember the girls in the room, sitting on their beds, and the look on his face was like he was in a trance. I heard and saw him. Hmmm... I agree this is the tip of the iceberg. Also, Michelle said that the girls couldn't sit in their brothers laps, but they could sit in DADDY'S LAP!!!
They have bared false witness so much in that interview. Dr. Drew was livid last night. Nancy Grace also. I am so mad at Ann Bremmer, the defense attorney on NG. She said, It has been over 12 years ago, WHY are we talking about this now? Crazy witch.
JB says that he and Ma have talked to many families with this same situation. I about fell out. It makes so much sense. He LIED about going to the "police station CLOSEST to his house" but he had a witness and Ma and Josh to talk to a policeman. It really was the State Trooper.
The State Trooper that talked to Josh was sent to prison for 16 months? got out and got convicted for 60 years. The man who was to counsel Josh was convicted of molesting over 30 children. The head of the ministry they follow Bill Gothard resigned because over 30 women charged him with sexual harassment.
If you watch on youtube their first special and cross reference with the kids ages the timeline is as follows:
First special 14 kids and pregnant was filmed sometime from Feb 2004 - May 2004. they state Josh's age as 15 in the special and Jackson was born in May 2004 and that birth was filmed. Josh went away at age 15 from July 2003 to September 2003 this means, at best, they started filming less than 6 months after they thought they had put their sons "mistakes" to rest. Arrogance and narcissism.
The last part of the special ( part 5 of 5 on youtube) states that a lot has happened in the year since Jacksons birth, putting the airing of the show at May 2005, They are talking about the move to the new home. Josh is now 17in May of 2005 and his head is clearly shaven in what is assumed is earlier filmed segments of this part 5 of 5 since the move happened in May 2005 and his hair appears to be growing back sso that leaves one to believe he was shaved a couple months earlier at age 16 turning 17.... alice stated that he was shaved and shamed because the father of the girl he was courting lost some electionJosh was working on because of something Josh did sexually at age 16 and that loss was blamed on the "sins of the son." "Alice" appears to be correct.
The facts and timeline are all out there on film to support her statement. Which lends credence to those that are saying there might be much more that has not been disclosed.
It seems that the "curiosity" (molestation) was not cured in 2003 by working construction as proclaimed by the enabling accessories after the fact.
(And BTW, I think it is deplorable, disgusting, and despicable that Ma and Pa are trotting out the victims, on public TV no less, to speak in defense of their offender and what makes it even more disgusting is that these victims, as they refer to them, are their own effing DAUGHTERS)
LJ
The councilor/therapist who came to the Duggar house in 2014 was there to speak to the younger kids, obviously. If the Duggar kids ever went to school or had other outside activities they would have had the advantage of an outsider speaking about issues of touching vs molesting. But they don't encounter anybody else. The older kids did not have that advantage, and in fact 2 girls were engaged or married at the time. It was a talk for young kids.
One more point. When I typed my last message I hadn't finished watching the last 2 mins of part 5 of 5 of 14 kids and pregnant and in that last 2 mins they announced Muckas pregnancy and did the sonogram, which makes her at least 4 months pregnant and since that 16th child was born in Oct 2005 this clearly makes the filming in May 2005 and Josh's hair is just starting to grow back at the sonogram. Hmmmm
lj
readerlady said... 126
I sure don't sleep so that my vajayjay is flapping in the breeze, and I imagine most other women don't either. Even sprawled all over the bed, that area is pretty well hidden and inaccessible most of the time.
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OMG readerlady you made me pee I'm laughing so hard. I know we shouldn't and are not making fun of what happened to those girls but geez it's good to stand back and have a couple of laughs. Why not though? Ma and Pa Duggar have made one big joke of themselves.
And I'm so happy you're joining the underground porch party!
Jessa and Jill might as well have been reading scripts. They used the same words as their parents and it is all too obvious they carefully practiced their interview with Daddy. Not a free thought offered. Talk about a robocall!
As far as normal 14 year old boys looking at pictures for their jollies, where would Josh have found some? Males are visual people for the most part. He didn't have an older brother with a stash, he was homeschooled, he was probably isolated in Springfield (Springdale?) as much as he was in Tontitown, and public libraries generly don't circulate that material. His little sisters might have been his only source of reference.
My point is NOT to defend Josh, but rather to point out he had no outlet for his *needs* anywhere to be found. There again, the purity at all cost and on every level has its dark side.
Mom and Dad, what did you have in mind for a boy to satisfy his normal hormones? What would have been considered not a mistake but a healthy way to deal with a boy's need for visual stimulation? You have 9 more sons. What about John David, Joseph, and the rest of your sons? What will their outlet be? It needs to be addressed, IMO.
PA Dutch Mom said... 144
Should I place a call to the Rumspringa Brewery for additional kegs? Just let me know. Auntie has been proven to be quite a guzzler.
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I wasn't before I stumbled onto this veranda a few years ago. It's all Admin's fault. No wait...it's all Jon's fault. :)
Someone is all fired up, and this time it isn't Gladys.
http://radio.foxnews.com/2015/06/05/hasselbeck-is-fired-up-over-the-duggar-controversy/
Somewhere In Time said... 153
Someone is all fired up, and this time it isn't Gladys.
http://radio.foxnews.com/2015/06/05/hasselbeck-is-fired-up-over-the-duggar-controversy/
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Yikes! Now I remember another reason I got rid of TV. I can't stand all that screeching and yelling and two people talking at the same time which is always what's done on those shows. Megyn was obnoxious as hell on that tape. I clicked it off when I realized she wasn't going to let the other guy get two words in.
(Leslie)
When in the hell is anybody on Fox during these interviews and Kelly's show EVER going to ADMIT that there was VAGINAL touching and hand's down a girl's dress on AWAKE victims. And there where three victims that were single digit old too. The guy is a child molester.
(Leslie)
Jessa and Jill are victimizing the two younger girls who had their vagina's touched and fingered while they are awake. They are completely dismissing them. Shame on them.
Watching the interview. So rehearsed for the talking points. Poor girls. Even if I had forgiven my brother and thought it was nothing, if I was being honest and open an occasional "ewww", "yucky", followed by a giggle of nervousness would still come out, these girls are rehearsed robots.
lj
(Leslie)
There is that bullshit comment again. They starting filming five years after. BULLSHIT. Figure 8 films states that they filmed the first special in 2004. This happened in 2003.
From Anderson Cooper
@AC360: #Duggar’s personal PR firm set up #FoxNews intv. Same firm that works for #MikeHuckabee - @brianstelter http://t.co/3o5ctuwrka
They keep saying the TV show was years later, it wasn't, it was MONTHS later....see my above post.
Back from commercial. Praising the parents yet again. Im gonna b drunk if I take a shot every time they praise the parents.
lj
They will never admit to knowingly being aware of being molested. That makes them impure. Their culture of indoctrinination blames the female for a males rape....so to protect their purity they will proclaim ignorance of the fact.
IMO
lj
(Leslie)
There are three victims that have not spoken out. But Jill and Jessa said they can speak for them. I am disgusted by all of them.
(Leslie)
I want to know if Josh's daughter (and soon to be born daughter) is allowed to sit on HIS lap. I bet not. And I wonder if Josh changes his daugter's diaper when she was younger. And I wonder what they tell the daughter if she is NOT allowed to sit on his lap. I saw a clip of his daughter sitting right next to her father and his arm was around her.
If the daughter is not allowed to sit on her father's lap is it because he still has urges toward little girls. I want to know the answer to this.
IMO. The sister on the left is following the script better than the sister on the right and keeps reigning sister on the right in. Havent ever watched the show, nauseates me, so don't know sistes names r and who got married when and who has kids but looks like sister on the right is well aware that its all on her sister on the lefts shoulders to preserve the brand and protect the gravy train.
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I probably won't be able to watch it until tomorrow but you can tell they have family talking points because they're all using the same buzzwords.
One of them is "stupid mistake."
Maybe they came up with these all during game night.
Two thirds of families deal with this ( incest) !!! Who the heck are you hanging around with??? and again, sounds like a talking point.
Makes me ill that the victims are prounced out to defend their offender.
And it makes me deeply sad that these girls have no clue, no autonomy and no claim to their own soul or identity.
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(Leslie)
Every night of these Duggar kids lives there is a nightly indoctrination by Jim Bob. All the family meets in the den or the boys room (interesting not the girls room) and have meetings, talks, bible studies.
The commentary afterwards is now going to be make me really vomit..The sisters pain has now become our fault....not their parents , not their brothers, its the medias fault and those that read it. Kurtz called them collateral damage and blamed the media....I blame the parents. What a fucking spin... Fox used to be my go to news channel, no more !!
lj
There is that bullshit comment again. They starting filming five years after. BULLSHIT. Figure 8 films states that they filmed the first special in 2004. This happened in 2003.
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I believe they are making the distinction between when the "specials" were filmed and when the "series" started.
"I was scared," says Jill, but she adds that she was also "sad" to hear about what her brother had done, "because this is my older brother, who I love a lot. It's conflicting."
I think this is the only true statement that was made. From any of them.
In other news, sounds like Kate and the kids are off somewhere filming the tups birthday episode.
Miranda Brady @MirandaBradyy · 10m10 minutes ago
So jealous that my sister is staying in the same hotel as @Kateplusmy8 I've watched you guys since the first season!!!
GoKingDaddy88 @GoKingDaddy · 4m4 minutes ago
@MirandaBradyy @Kateplusmy8 how cool that Kate is getting to spend time away from her kids! it is summer after all. @TLC
Miranda Brady @MirandaBradyy · 1m1 minute ago
@GoKingDaddy @Kateplusmy8 @TLC she's with her kids celebrating birthdays..... Shows how much you know #backoff
(Leslie)
Of course they are making a distinction between the numerous specials and when they started filming regularly. So what? The Duggars invited a major camera crew into their home many times before the series started. They are liars. They thought they had zero to worry about because the reports were under lock and key. Had TLC offered them a regular series in 2004 we all know they would have taken it.
(Leslie)
If TLC starts a spin off show with the girls, how interesting could it possibly be with two infants in their homes. The girls and their husbands are boring too. Of course their families would be coming over all the time so what is the point. It would still be the same show minus Josh. But I bet anything Josh will be shown after awhile because he is a family member, healed and all is well. So again, what is the point of giving the girls there own tv show when they family will be in the show.
I heard the pool boys were cleaning the pool only a few feet away from the Veranda. I need a sloe gin fizz. Can one of them make me a drink?
I really need one after watching the Duggar girls, while their father is hoping with crossed fingers that this will be enough to keep filming.
TLC, if you continue this awful farce, you deserve every ounce of grief you get.
Jim Bob's day is coming. He deserves it. Josh's day is here, now, finally.
(Leslie)
The girls said it "was mild inappropriate touching on fully clothed on the victims". What a lie. I am so mad. Again they are re victimizing the girls who were vaginally touched and hands shoved down their dresses when they were awake.
Maybe the trip is a graduation gift for the twins?
Of course they are making a distinction between the numerous specials and when they started filming regularly. So what?
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I agree with you. I was making the point that JimBob is playing with semantics when he makes that distinction.
Regarding filming the tups bday this weekend, I would think that M & C would have lots of parties with their friends for their graduation. My kids had back to back parties that whole first weekend that school got out. But I guess when you have a job in the ninth grade, no parties for you.
If it's so unfair now to punish the rest of the family for Josh's child molestation, why was it ok back in 2003 or whenever to punish the rest of the family for Josh's child molestation?
Why did the rest of the family have to have locks on *their* doors? Why did the other children have to pay the price of no hide and seek?
Why did the parents have to pay the price of watching him all the time? (Even though that was a remarkably ineffective solution, in that he kept doing it.)
Why did his sisters have to pay the price of not being close with their other brothers? Why did his sisters have to sleep with *their* clothes on?
It seems to me that the rest of the family has been being punished for years for Josh's child molestation. Why should now be any different?
Just because they might lose a few bucks now?
They *didn't* take Josh to a policeman.
They took him to a state trooper, with whom they were familiar.
That guy probably said, hey! A fellow child molestor....cool! Let me tell you how to avoid detection.
I want to know if Josh's daughter (and soon to be born daughter) is allowed to sit on HIS lap. I bet not.
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Why wouldn't she be? He confessed, did manual labor, and was forgiven by his family, church and God.
The girls told everything to CPS.
They were asleep when they were molested and didn't even know it happened.
So, what did they tell CPS? What mommy and daddy told them to say would be my guess. This whole mess makes me want to puke.
I just can't understand. I feel so bad for the girls. I feel bad for Jana and she was supposedly not involved. She will not be able to get away from that house for at least another 10 to 20 years. Jim Bob and Michelle will force her to stay.
Their ignorance is mindboggling or very bad acting, acting dumb as a box of rocks.
Dr. Keith Ablow? is on Hannity and is great. A man who is the Duggars pastor when they visit his church in Dallas. TEAM DUGGAR!
HE DID NOT SAY THAT! The pastor said, it is not YOUR KNOW WHAT BUSINESS. He said the words, you know what. Wow. Dr. Keith was awesome, kept calm, said stingers to the pastor and the pastor would just get more animated. Dr. K said, it's ok to molest but if you go out on a date, you can't hold hands? That's bizarre. Then pastor said, none of your business. Dr. K said, Wouldn't you think that he was REPRESSED?
This story is getting wilder by the day, articles and interviews!
Apparently this guy thinks that Kate owns the "Gosselin" name unless Jon changed his name to Kate:
mike j @thnkyoukendall · 1h1 hour ago
@Kateplusmy8 I know you ask Ppl this once before I know where John is DJ on SAT June 6 at the white palm in topton he is using your name
FlimsyFlamsy said... 176
Maybe the trip is a graduation gift for the twins?
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If all the kids are with Kate and it involves staying in a hotel, then TLC is filming. This isn't coming out of HER pocket...graduation or not.
I need to add to my last comment that apparently Kate doesn't waste any time getting out of Dodge to film...school only ended a couple days ago, I believe. Happy Summer, kids!
@thnkyoukendall: @Kateplusmy8 I know you ask Ppl this once before I know where John is DJ on SAT June 6 at the white palm in topton he is using your name
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Sometimes you just have to laugh at the stupidity of the sheeple. Jon is indeed going to DJ there under the name of DJ Jon Gosselin. I do believe that TFW is using HIS name and not the other way around.
Apparently this guy thinks that Kate owns the "Gosselin" name unless Jon changed his name to Kate:
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lol!!
Sheep are as dumb as rocks. Maybe he is working under one name -- "Kreider."
Hannity is talking to 2 women and they were talking about Josh and the one woman said that Josh was fired from his D.C. job. Hannity said, He. Was. Fired.
I just don't remember the Veranda discussing that Josh got fired from his job, because if he did get fired, I believe Admin would of had a thread for it.
Oh, one lady said they were pretty naïve to believe that this wouldn't come out. I think poor Jim Bob's phalanges are nearly at the breaking point, crossing them, hoping that TLC doesn't pull the plug, forever!
I'm confused. Didn't they already do a tups turn 11 birthday episode? Wasn't their birthday in May? It all blends together...
Kate is a twit said... 171
In other news, sounds like Kate and the kids are off somewhere filming the tups birthday episode.
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Doesn't she have a court hearing re custody? Would it really be advisable to leave town the day after school lets out with that pending? I mean, wouldn't she have to prepare? Or is it possible the hearing already happened and there will be the usual news black-out on Gosselin legal matters?
What a lie. I am so mad. Again they are re victimizing the girls who were vaginally touched and hands shoved down their dresses when they were awake.
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There's so much I haven't read. How do you know this? All of the girls, including the five-year-old?
Somewhere In Time said... 153
Someone is all fired up, and this time it isn't Gladys.
http://radio.foxnews.com/2015/06/05/hasselbeck-is-fired-up-over-the-duggar-controversy/
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Megyn wants to have her cake and eat it too. She scores an interview with the Duggars and then screams that there's no concern for the victims...duh say what?! That IS the concern.
Geezus, she sounded like the captain of a roller derby team.
I need to add to my last comment that apparently Kate doesn't waste any time getting out of Dodge to film...school only ended a couple days ago, I believe. Happy Summer, kids!
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If they got out of Dodge in a hurry, it was in record time. Graduation (Closing) for the twins was late yesterday afternoon.
prairiemary said... 142
OT-Jumping In, your post made me break down and cry. Our rescue Border Collie is older than what we thought, has a brain tumor now. He is on steroids, which seemed to bring back the way he was when we first got him, but they make him so hungry.
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prairiemary, I'm so sorry about your Border Collie, and I can completely relate to your situation. Our bichon/poodle had to take steroids after he was diagnosed with a cancerous tumor, and they made him ravenous. I ended up cooking lots and lots of frozen green beans (with no added salt or other ingredients) for him. That really took the edge off his hunger.
Sad but true said... 191
Kate is a twit said... 171
In other news, sounds like Kate and the kids are off somewhere filming the tups birthday episode.
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Doesn't she have a court hearing re custody? Would it really be advisable to leave town the day after school lets out with that pending? I mean, wouldn't she have to prepare? Or is it possible the hearing already happened and there will be the usual news black-out on Gosselin legal matters?
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If there is a hearing, why would she have to prepare? Isn't that her attorney's job?
"We were sad whenever he was sent away, you know, because it’s your brother,"
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Wouldn't a normal sister say my brother? not your brother?
@thnkyoukendall: @Kateplusmy8 I know you ask Ppl this once before I know where John is DJ on SAT June 6 at the white palm in topton he is using your name
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Jon may be "using" her name like it is on a poster I found in his photos although on the White Palm website J&K +8 isn't used. But yeah. still stooopid sheep.
DJ Poster
AuntieAnn said... 152
I wasn't before I stumbled onto this veranda a few years ago. It's all Admin's fault. No wait...it's all Jon's fault. :)
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Even from beyond the grave!!
PatK (#185), oh, I certainly agree that the trip is on TLC's dime.
I just meant the graduation was the "milestone" that they'd be
likely building the episode around.
Redbird, nice to see you back! May you use the new computer
in good health!
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