http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/tlc-presents/be-the-voice/
http://fortune.com/2015/08/30/tlc-19-kids-duggar/
Sunday, August 30, 2015
Discussion Thread: Breaking the Silence
With little fanfare, tonight TLC airs their promised documentary about sexual abuse awareness. Commercial free. Check local listings.
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/tlc-presents/be-the-voice/
http://fortune.com/2015/08/30/tlc-19-kids-duggar/
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/tlc-presents/be-the-voice/
http://fortune.com/2015/08/30/tlc-19-kids-duggar/
2142 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 801 – 1000 of 2142 Newer› Newest»They will never be truly married in Gods eyes. That piece of paper means nothing.
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See, it doesn't matter if you think it doesn't mean anything. You still have to issue it. Or Kim does, anyway.
And by the way, a lot of people believe that Kim's marriage certificate means nothing because she's been divorced. How is that any different?
And besides all that, marriage offers many benefits under the law, so it DOES mean something regardless of how much people want to shout that it doesn't mean anything.
The article about Salma Hayek says the one fan's husband divorced here due to her infatuation with Salma!
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I know! I was thinking of LOM and how we hadn't heard much about him bringing Milo'her nightly vanilla ice cream (not to be confused with the vanilla envelope). Maybe he split! lol!
And on Kate's twitter we have Goody salivating over Brad Pitt. Didn't he live in one of the sheeple's basements? Perhaps she could introduce him to Goody!
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 58m58 minutes ago
@autumnh75 @GwynethPaltrow @Kateplusmy8 @justinbieber OMG! Brad Pitt is fine as hell.
Kate's Twitter is dead. I'm glad I never signed up for an account. It seems that even Kate doesn't want to bother with it anymore, that is until she needs her tweeties for something like fixing a dishwasher or walking around in Walmart parking lots.
Right, the son is Nathan. The husband is Joe ( not the biological father). I was commenting that Joe seems like a hothead making threats towards the judge. He also said he took the five deputy clerks out to dinner after the hearing supposedly to express his support, but I doubt that. He's an angry man.
Not much coverage of today's rally. Should heat up on Tuesday when Huckabee comes to town.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/05/437831610/kim-davis-supporters-rally-in-front-of-detention-center
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2015/09/05/kim-davis-supporters-hold-prayer-rally-saturday/71698142/
On the last link, a video of one of her lawyers talking plays, but you can find the article if you just scroll down a little.
My prediction is that Kim Davis will continue to sit in jail for a while, then steps will be taken to remove her from her elected office--not sure how as the governor is unwilling to call the legislature? back to deal with this--and a new county clerk either appointed or a special election held.
Wasn't it the rumor that Carla tutored Collin and Alexis when they were expelled and then Collin was sent to Forrest's farm? You're right, no way does TFW want any kids spoiling her 'typical routine' of going back to bed, spa, nails, coffee appointments.
Wasn't it the rumor that Carla tutored Collin and Alexis when they were expelled and then Collin was sent to Forrest's farm?
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I remember something about that, but it was five years ago. I really doubt that Carla is still on the scene tutoring the kids. In fact, does Kate ever mention Carla or Ashley?
OMG! Seven times! Josh Duggar should have been behind bars.
http://aattp.org/new-police-report-shows-15-year-old-josh-duggar-molested-5-year-old-sister-at-least-seven-times/
Sorry, that was an old article. First time I've seen it though.
Yes, I just meant Kate would arrange something for Collin for her own convenience, not necessarily Carla. There was a new teenager on the fake birthday dinner special Kate 'has known forever' The new Ashley? Maybe she tutors as well as makes tacos!
He also said he took the five deputy clerks out to dinner after the hearing supposedly to express his support, but I doubt that. He's an angry man.
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You doubt that he took the clerks out to dinner or you doubt that he expressed his support? Why would he lie about taking them out to dinner when that could easily be verified? If you have a penchant for lying about something, wouldn't you do it about something really big and not about taking people out to dinner? :)
My3AndMe @BarbGilmer 50m50 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Watching football?
What a dumb question. Kate knows nothing about football. Why would she, on Labor Day weekend, be sitting inside watching a sport she doesn't like when she and the kids are probably spending a hot day in the POOL before it closes for the season?
Sherry Baby said... 10
He also said he took the five deputy clerks out to dinner after the hearing supposedly to express his support, but I doubt that. He's an angry man.
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You doubt that he took the clerks out to dinner or you doubt that he expressed his support? Why would he lie about taking them out to dinner when that could easily be verified? If you have a penchant for lying about something, wouldn't you do it about something really big and not about taking people out to dinner? :)
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Gee, that's just creepy. Does Kim's husband throw his weight around that office too? Why would he take them to dinner? Why do I get the feeling they were ordered to attend the dinner? If their was no dinner and he lied about it, it could mean they're too scared to contradict him. Something is definitely rotten in Denmark.
If Collin needs help with social issues as well as emotional ones, then how could keeping him home and having him tutored be of any benefit to him in addressing those problems?
P.J. said... 7
OMG! Seven times! Josh Duggar should have been behind bars.
http://aattp.org/new-police-report-shows-15-year-old-josh-duggar-molested-5-year-old-sister-at-least-seven-times/
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I think the article suffered from an overzealous headlong writer.
The headline:
New Police Report shows 15-year-old Josh Duggar Molested 5-year-old Sister At LEAST Seven Times
The article text:
Duggar was 15-years-old when he molested his five-year-old sister and committed at least SEVEN acts of sexual molestation.
My interpretation of that text is that he molested his five-year-old sister at least once and molested a total of (at least) 7 times (including all victims).
The article text:
Duggar was 15-years-old when he molested his five-year-old sister and committed at least SEVEN acts of sexual molestation.
My interpretation of that text is that he molested his five-year-old sister at least once and molested a total of (at least) 7 times (including all victims).
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Yep. Many times the person writing the headers isn't the same one writing the text. The headline person saw SEVEN within the text and just ran with it without checking the context of the story.
Sorry, Math Girl and Sherry Baby. I guess the headline got me. I was so appalled I posted before I read the article. My bad.
I agree with you, PJ. The attorney who interviewed the deputy clerks said some of them felt intimidated by Kim Davis. I think her husband is the same way. It's foolish, given his big mouth, that he would invite those clerks out to say "he was proud of them" and "supported them" (his words). This guy is a bully, IMO, when he invoked the second amendment. I took that as a threat. I hope there are deputies protecting the judge with all those crazies in town.
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I had the same exact thought. It feels vaguely threatening and certainly manipulative. It was inappropriate to take them out like that, and I don't blame the clerks for going because they probably felt like their jobs were on the line if they didn't. I say it's manipulative because when he comes back later and says why didn't you support us he could say what a sec I took you out to dinner, I thought we had an understanding!
HR needs to get involved with this situation and do a thorough investigation. Serious boundaries have been violated. If this situation did any good, it was that it exposed a hostile working environment and hopefully things will change for the people left in that office and maybe it will make other workers elsewhere think a bit about dysfunctional work environments they may be in.
Many workplaces have rules about supervisors doing things like taking employees out, giving them gifts or a meal, or asking them to do things like contribute to an office mate's gift, etc. You're a subordinate to a supervisor and when a supervisor (or her husband) suggests something "voluntary" like dinner, it's presumed that an employee might feel they have to, or if they don't their job is on the line.
The same would apply for husbands of supervisors I would think.
But really, Joe, couldn't you have sprung for something a little bit more upscale than Applebees?
But really, Joe, couldn't you have sprung for something a little bit more upscale than Applebees?
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Applebees has the 2 for $20 menu!
Isn't one of Kate's sheeple totally obsessed with Applebees? I can't remember which one it is but she really likes food and prayed for that one fan who needed her car repaired, assuring her that God would get it fixed for her. I wonder how that ever turned out.
He better have at least gotten them a spinach dip to share. Don't be a cheap wad.
I wonder what NexttoKimDavis ordered.
I'm fairly sure none of Kim's co-workers are gay. But do any of them
have friends or relatives who are? Surely they wouldn't feel safe
to share that information with her. So they'd just have to listen to her
hatred day in and day out if they wanted to keep their jobs.
In one of the pictures taken in the county clerk's office, there is an older, pot-bellied man in a striped shirt. It appears that he enters by a door behind the clerks and I've always wondered if that was Mr. Davis.
Or maybe I'm looking at the picture wrong?
UGH! Just saw a promo for Sherri Shepard's Holy and Hungry.
She is in the kitchen with a minister cook and she just took a bite of a big sandwich and she said, Holy! That sauce! And then opened her mouth as big as manhole cover and Screeched very loud.
TFW's screech is mild compared to this! She reminded me of Guy Fieri doing this show. UGH!
So if Joe actually took all the clerks out to eat, he basically took his step-son, which he adopted and his co-workers to dinner. I don't know. Did the other 4 go because they wanted to go or did they go because of the iron fist that Kim Davis rules that office with? Did they go happily or out of fear of retaliation from the KD?
KD, short for Commandant.
LOL.
Proving that there is no limit to fundamentalist Christian extremism, the ultra-conservative Westboro Baptist church has launched a crusade against Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis despite all parties being against same-sex marriage...
...Davis, who converted to Christianity four years ago maintains that she cannot issue licenses to gay couples on religious grounds, calling it a “Heaven or Hell decision.” Despite that, members of the Topeka church have launched a Twitter jihad on Davis saying she is a “phony divorced/remarried traitor to God,” and “#NotChristian.”
Addressing Davis, who has been married four times –twice to the same man — and reportedly had twins out of wedlock, Westboro tweeted: “‘Surely as a wife treacherously departeth from her husband, so have ye dealt treacherously with me.’ -The LORD”
While Davis is sitting in jail on contempt charges for refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples, members of the extremist Westboro Baptist church in Topeka are threatening to go to Kentucky to protest against Davis for being an adulteress –due to having been married four times — and for causing “F*g marriage” because of her sinfulness.
https://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/godhatesadultery-westboro-baptist-church-turns-on-kim-davis-for-causing-fg-marriage/
redbird said... 23
UGH! Just saw a promo for Sherri Shepard's Holy and Hungry.
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Sherri Shepherd? Holy?
One of the shows is entitled, "Heavenly Wings and the Immaculate Confection." I'm surprised they didn't come up with, "While the SHEPHERDS Watched Their Stoves By Night."
In one of the pictures taken in the county clerk's office, there is an older, pot-bellied man in a striped shirt. It appears that he enters by a door behind the clerks and I've always wondered if that was Mr. Davis.
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Pot-bellied? Does he look like he's licking his fingers after eating at Applebees?
I wonder what NexttoKimDavis ordered.
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I wonder what was on Kim's prison tray?
P.J. said... 16
Sorry, Math Girl and Sherry Baby. I guess the headline got me. I was so appalled I posted before I read the article. My bad.
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No need to apologize, unless you were the headline writer. What Josh admitted to doing is truly appalling; I'm sure the police didn't get the full story.
Did the other 4 go because they wanted to go or did they go because of the iron fist that Kim Davis rules that office with? Did they go happily or out of fear of retaliation from the KD?
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Hey, it's a free meal with spinach dip. Why wouldn't they go?
Hey, it's free meal with spinach dip. Why wouldn't they go? 30
Well, there's no such thing as a free lunch. Is that true of dinner as well?
In any event, I hope they got the spinach dip.
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Sheepless In Seattle said... 27
In one of the pictures taken in the county clerk's office, there is an older, pot-bellied man in a striped shirt. It appears that he enters by a door behind the clerks and I've always wondered if that was Mr. Davis.
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Pot-bellied? Does he look like he's licking his fingers after eating at Applebees?
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Ok. Here is one of the pictures. The pot-bellied man is wearing a plaid, not striped, shirt. He is not wearing any kind of ID and is definitely in the office area of the county clerk's office. In the picture I'm thinking of he was coming out that door behind him which seems to be some sort of inner office.
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Maybe instead of take your child to work day (Kim Davis already has), it was take your equally bigoted husband to work day. If it is Mr. Davis, it was inappropriate for him to be in that area and I can see how just his presence would help contribute to the hostile work environment Ms. Davis created.
Sheepless In Seattle said... 28
I wonder what was on Kim's prison tray?
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I wonder if the detention center will barbecue the baloney sandwiches tomorrow.
Susan, that's one heck of a link! (32)...
Sitnexto Kim Davis @nexttokimdavis 12h12 hours ago
Sitnexto Kim Davis retweeted CDM
And her co-workers are having the BEST GODDAMN LABOR DAY WEEKEND IN YEARS!!! Sitnexto Kim Davis added,
CDM @RWSurferGirl
Davis is confined indefinitely & w/out benefit of a trial, 2 a tiny cell She is a political prisoner in a spiritual war #IStandWithKimDavis
I wonder if the prison provides Mountain Dew.
CDM @RWSurferGirl
Davis is confined indefinitely & w/out benefit of a trial, 2 a tiny cell She is a political prisoner in a spiritual war #IStandWithKimDavis
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Do these people ever listen to themselves?
w/out benefit of a trial? Um, court was last Thursday. I guess it really wasn't a trial per se.
A political prisoner of a spiritual war? I don't even know what that means. It makes zero sense.
How do so many people get the simple facts wrong?
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 36
I wonder if the prison provides Mountain Dew.
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She looks more like a Sneaky Pete beer (Laughing Dog Brewing) person!
w/out benefit of a trial? Um, court was last Thursday. I guess it really wasn't a trial per se.
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The other side keeps lying or is at least confused.
She had a full contempt hearing. The process is extremely specific. I have a manual three inches thick about how to do a contempt hearing. The joke around here is that they're so complicated and difficult to do correctly that judges are afraid to do them. It's true.
In any case, at least in CA you can call all the witnesses you want and make all the representations you want. The thing is, I don't know that anyone is really disputing the facts in this situation, which is what the purpose of a trial would be. Even Kim herself agrees she is breaking the law. She just thinks she has a right to break it. The issue is are the facts as we know them grounds to hold her in contempt. You don't even really need witnesses when it's just a legal issue and the facts are not in dispute. What would the purpose of a witness be in this situation when what she did is well known, all on tape, and she's not denying it?
Hehe. Spot the Mountain Dew!
http://logoonline.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:uma:image:logotv.com:10787708?quality=0.8&format=jpg&width=1440&height=810&.jpg
Here is another picture of Joe Davis. No striped or plaid shirt, but the pot belly is on display.
http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/joe-davis-husband-of-kim-davis-stands-in-front-of-her-news-photo/486482758
After comparing the pictures, I don't thing "plaid shirt" is Joe Davis.
Here is another picture of Joe Davis. No striped or plaid shirt, but the pot belly is on display.
http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/joe-davis-husband-of-kim-davis-stands-in-front-of-her-news-photo/486482758
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Why is Kate on that flat screen television in the corner? lol!
Math Girl said... 42
After comparing the pictures, I don't thing "plaid shirt" is Joe Davis.
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I have to agree. The first picture (my link) has bothered me because I can't figure out why that man is in the office area of the clerk's office. Oh well, might be the sheriff for all I know.
Math Girl said... 41
Here is another picture of Joe Davis. No striped or plaid shirt, but the pot belly is on display.
http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/joe-davis-husband-of-kim-davis-stands-in-front-of-her-news-photo/486482758
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And here he is wearing the same shirt but he's donned his Saturday-goin'-to-rally coveralls. I think he needs a media coach.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/06/01/2C0048D000000578-3223526-Joe_Davis_husband_of_Rowan_County_clerk_Kim_Davis_who_was_jailed-m-24_1441500329480.jpg
I'm sorry, I couldn't follow very closely, could someone tell me if they are shooting more K+8 specials? Has TLC announced more shows?
Years ago(I can't even believe it's been so long) we talked about the kids developing problems, Kate scarring them, Kate doing anything to keep herself relevant but now that it seems to be happening to Collin it's still so chilling and horrible.There's something thoroughly depressing about witnessing a child's life falling apart over the course of years.
Midnight Madness said... 43
Here is another picture of Joe Davis. No striped or plaid shirt, but the pot belly is on display.
http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/joe-davis-husband-of-kim-davis-stands-in-front-of-her-news-photo/486482758
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Why is Kate on that flat screen television in the corner? lol!
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I was just thinking the same thing! LOL
BTW, the question of whether or not the guy in the plaid shirt is Mr. Kim? The photo posted by Math Girl does show him IN the office. Why would he be behind the counters? More and more I'm seeing confirmation of a hostile work environment. He has no business back there.
Oooh, this is getting good. I wonder what the Kim Davis supporters will have to say about a flight attendant who refuses to serve alcohol because of her faith?
BTW, the woman is Muslim.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/05/travel/muslim-flight-attendant-feat/index.html
To me, the answer is obvious. One has nothing to do with the other. One is a government office and the other is private sector.
BTW, this woman started working for the airlines 3 years ago and served alcohol. Two years ago, she converted to Islam. 1 year ago, she found out that the religion forbids serving of alcohol. The company made accommodations until another employee voiced a complaint that she wasn't doing her job.
This almost sounds like a set up against the Kim Davis faction.
"If Collin needs help with social issues as well as emotional ones, then how could keeping him home and having him tutored be of any benefit to him in addressing those problems?"
When has Kate ever worried about the welfare of any of the kids, especially Collin. With him, I think it may be out of sight is better for her. That way there would be no talk about him. If he were to go to a public school, she wouldn't have the control she does in the private one. At almost 11 1/2, he is old enough to stay at home alone for short periods, so he wouldn't cramp her style much. She would just shut him in the basement with the school computer. She sure isn't going to go out of her way to make anything easier or better for that poor boy.
Has it be established as a fact that Collin is being home schooled by a tutor or is this just speculation?
TLC,I think it's just speculation, because it would be easier for Kate not to make two separate bus runs and deal with two different schools Maybe she would find it embarrassing or that a pubic school might not be as accommodating to a child who is pulled out for filming. Who knows. I hope Collin goes to school for his sake and to meet his needs..
P.J. said... 47
BTW, the question of whether or not the guy in the plaid shirt is Mr. Kim? The photo posted by Math Girl does show him IN the office. Why would he be behind the counters? More and more I'm seeing confirmation of a hostile work environment. He has no business back there.
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This. Just this. More and more evidence that Mr. & Mrs. Davis treat the office of the Rowan County Clerk as their own little kingdom. I doubt that Mrs. Bunning hangs out in Judge Bunning's chambers all day. As far as Joe Davis taking the other clerks out to dinner, I think there was some unspoken coercion there. They all spent the day in court with Mrs. Davis as the judge needed to ascertain if they were also unwilling to issue the marriage licenses. By the time it was over, I'm sure they wanted to go home to their families and decompress, talk with their significant others, not Mr. Davis, about what would happen going forward. That dinner was nothing more than an attempt to make sure the deputy clerks were still supportive of Mrs. Davis (even though they had agreed to issue marriage licenses). Now some of Mrs. Davis' supporters are reportedly upset with the deputy clerks who are willing to issue the marriage licenses. I hope there's some sort of investigation done re: the work environment in the county clerk's office while Mrs. Davis is in jail.
And here he is wearing the same shirt but he's donned his Saturday-goin'-to-rally coveralls. I think he needs a media coach.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/09/06/01/2C0048D000000578-3223526-Joe_Davis_husband_of_Rowan_County_clerk_Kim_Davis_who_was_jailed-m-24_1441500329480.jpg
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Why does Jeff Foxworthy come to mind?
You might me a redneck if your wife has ever said, "Come move this transmission so I can take a bath."
Susan1956 said...
More and more evidence that Mr. & Mrs. Davis treat the office of the Rowan County Clerk as their own little kingdom.
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From the first time I saw video of that office, I got the sense that the woman who sits next to Kim Davis (not the twitter account) looked terrified. These office folks are between a rock and a hard place. I hope the press tracks the employees and sees how this will all shake out if and when KD gets out of prison and decides to do her job. She seems like a tyrant.
Her husband there in the office? I'm calling severe shenanigans on that.
Susan1956 said...32
Here is the link shortened courteously of tinyurl and redbird's assistant! haha
It shrank it down from 1103 characters to 26!
http://tinyurl.com/q2rk74r
and here is the second one, from 1335 to 26!
http://tinyurl.com/q8xqro2
Thanks, Formerly Duped. It will come out eventually where Collin is attending school. Why she felt the need to say anything publicly about him is beyond me unless she wanted to get ahead of any story and control the narrative. She's all about creating the narrative.
If she hired her son as a deputy clerk, does that mean he can be fired? What I've read is that those deputy clerks are "hired", so who has the authority to fire Nathan if he refuses to do ALL his duties?
Of all the billions of images that could of been on that flat screen in the Kim Davis Kingdom office, it would just have to be...Kate Gosselin! Bwahahaha
Do these people ever listen to themselves?
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No. It's an alternate universe, as in the chant by the Macbeth witches:
"Fair is foul, and foul is fair:
Hover through the fog and filthy air."
#sitsnexttoKateGosselin bwahahaha
I have to wondered what happened to Milo. She is not a cold turkey candidate. I also thought of something else. What if LOM got rid of her and is just retweeting to throw off suspicions? Sorry, I watch too much Forensic Files and LAOSVU.
Truly, I hope she is ok!
redbird said... 58
Of all the billions of images that could of been on that flat screen in the Kim Davis Kingdom office, it would just have to be...Kate Gosselin! Bwahahaha
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Thanks for the shortened links Redbird.
When is the last time any episode of Kate + 8 was aired? Are the people of Morehead KY getting special treatment? LOL.
Susan1956 said... 44
Math Girl said... 42
After comparing the pictures, I don't thing "plaid shirt" is Joe Davis.
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I have to agree. The first picture (my link) has bothered me because I can't figure out why that man is in the office area of the clerk's office. Oh well, might be the sheriff for all I know.
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Or could be one of the deputy clerks. I don't think I've seen a picture of all of them, or even a picture of Nathan.
I also think the picture of Mr. Kim in the official office area is odd. He might be back there because he was going to/from Kim's office to see her, but it doesn't look like that.
Found a picture of Nathan:
http://www.gettyimages.ca/detail/news-photo/joe-davis-husband-of-kim-davis-stands-in-front-of-her-news-photo/486482758
Ain't google grand! I'm going to see how many names and pictures of deputy clerks I can find. Ain't retirement grand!
The office environment in Kim Davis Kingdom must be unbearable. The lady next to Kim does look terrified.
Reminds me of a The Walton's episode, you know me. John had to get a job in Richmond and would only come home on the weekends. He got an office job with the State and the office had several people working for a man who was a tyrant. They were all like scared rabbits.
John had been working for awhile and it got really hot and stuffy and he got up and opened the window to let some air in and the boss about flipped out. Told him to shut it. So he did. Later on after a couple of weeks, John's co-worker the man who the boss had it out for accidently knocked all of his papers off his desk. John started helping him and the boss flipped out this time and told John to get back to his desk and forced him to pick them up.
John got so mad and told the boss he didn't have to work here and he left. Then when the boss went back to his desk the man walked over and opened the window and just stood there with much needed confidence and the boss didn't say a word. The boss had told John that he has to be that harsh because if the work isn't done, his but was on the line. John told Olivia that the workers in that office were like scared rabbits. Reminds me of the workers in this office.
Where is chefsummer??
Hope you are ok chef and we want to see pictures of the pups!
The Pioneer Woman has just launched her own line of cookware, dishes, glasses.
Sorry, TFW, Moms would frown upon a line of prison trays and plastic utensils launched from you!
Here is another picture of Joe Davis. No striped or plaid shirt, but the pot belly is on display.
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Do both Mr. and Mrs. sport pot bellies?
Your welcome, Susan1956!
If you ever need one, go to tinyurl.com
Are they getting special treatment? haha
Is that a scene from the renovation episode? Is she in the basement? The one where she was flirting with the carpenter?
Kim probably makes them put the tv on garbage like TLC when the office really would prefer msnbc or something. Hostile work environment.
Her husband there in the office? I'm calling severe shenanigans on that.
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Maybe he was collecting her personal items in case she doesn't return to the office!
Here is an article with a picture of Nathan Davis. Look at the body language. Arrogant little ****. Not sure what to think of Roberta, the other clerk in the picture. Read the article---seems some in the county offices don't support Mrs. Davis.
http://www.sfexaminer.com/clerks-office-defies-order-no-same-sex-marriage-licenses/
Sue_Buddy said... 53
Why does Jeff Foxworthy come to mind?
You might me a redneck if your wife has ever said, "Come move this transmission so I can take a bath."
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Ha. Years ago I worked with a woman whose husband actually had an entire car engine disassembled on a tarp on the living room floor of their apartment. She was so embarrassed when I dropped in on her one day unexpectedly. I would have called first but they didn't have a phone. The place was a disaster but she always showed up on the job looking neat as a pin and pulled together.
Blowing In The Wind said... 70
Her husband there in the office? I'm calling severe shenanigans on that.
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Maybe he was collecting her personal items in case she doesn't return to the office!
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He doesn't seem to be carrying any personal effects of hers. Looks like he's on the phone and just hanging around. He should have security escorting him if he's doing that. But his cellphone does match his running shoes. Mountain Dew green.
For the record: I believe the blonde on the tv show is from some reno show on HGTV. A few of us laughed and said it looked like sKate, but we didn't say it was her.
Yes, having TLC on the t.v. would be considered a hostile work environment, IMO.
Blowing In The Wind said... 70
Her husband there in the office? I'm calling severe shenanigans on that.
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Maybe he was collecting her personal items in case she doesn't return to the office!
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Or maybe he's the kind of husband who doesn't want his wife to have the spotlight all to herself. I'm curious whether he hangs out there often or if he wanted to grab some of the attention now that this is big news.
Sorry but the guy really does look like a redneck doofus.
Yes, having TLC on the t.v. would be considered a hostile work environment, IMO.
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Do they switch channels when "I Am Jazz" comes on?
For the record: I believe the blonde on the tv show is from some reno show on HGTV. A few of us laughed and said it looked like sKate, but we didn't say it was her.
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Yes, I mentioned it as a joke because it did resemble her. Kate's hair was longer on The Room Project episode and she was dressed in sweats, I believe, not a pink print outfit.
In my quest for pictures of the deputy clerks, I found a couple of other interesting articles.
The first one is about Kim's mother's tenure as clerk. Evidently elected officials in Kentucky can hire relatives (no anti-nepotism rules). Also, under Kim's mother, Kim was "chief deputy clerk", which meant she got a high pay and probably got to lord it over all the other clerks. The article talks about accusations that Kim was overpaid.
http://www.themoreheadnews.com/news/local_news/county-clerk-s-office-budget-reduced-first-time/article_d700d7ff-7041-5c92-ae21-c8454437230f.html
The second article gives some historical examples of state officials defying federal authority and talks about how Kim is on the wrong side of history.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/gerth/2015/09/05/gerth-history-tells-us-kim-davis-lose/71766496/
He doesn't seem to be carrying any personal effects of hers. Looks like he's on the phone and just hanging around. He should have security escorting him if he's doing that.
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They have security in that office? :)
Not sure what to think of Roberta, the other clerk in the picture.
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If body language is any indication, it's defiance to authority. Check out the crossed arms and stance (legs apart).
Has GWOP folded? Only 18 comments in the third quarter free discussion (last one on August 18) and only 11 on the Kate's Birthday Special (last comment in July).
Just wondering what happened there. I don't post, but at one time it was a fairly active blog.
Sorry but the guy really does look like a redneck doofus.
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Kind of like the wife? They say opposites attract, but in this case...
Wow. Thanks for that article about the mother. Unbelievable. The county voters need to wise up. Nepotism usually causes issues. Yep. Quite the dynasty in Rowan County.
The next bigot they put forward as a martyr they should probably vet first. Lesson learned.
Here's how it went down in court with the deputies:
In the first go-round, 3 deputies agreed to issue the licenses.
In the second go-round, two more agreed and the son didn't agree.
I now have the names of 5 of the 6 clerks:
- Nathan Davis, the holdout
- the two who agreed reluctantly - names in the enclosed article. One of those two (the preacher's daughter) is in the famous "sits next to" photo, and she is not amused by being used on twitter
- by the process of elimination, two of the three who agreed in the first round are Brian Mason, who actually issued the first license, and the crossed-arms woman in the photo, who is the chief deputy clerk
I haven't given actual names except for Nathan Davis and Brian Mason, who are all over the internet.
My main source:
http://www.wowktv.com/story/29951816/clerk-in-gay-marriage-case-to-appear-in-federal-court
AuntieAnn said... 72
Ha. Years ago I worked with a woman whose husband actually had an entire car engine disassembled on a tarp on the living room floor of their apartment. She was so embarrassed when I dropped in on her one day unexpectedly. I would have called first but they didn't have a phone. The place was a disaster but she always showed up on the job looking neat as a pin and pulled together.
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Did you happen to notice if they had a set of these unique windchimes?
I have here a link that I believe proves Ms. Bailey and Kim Davis have violated the KY Code of Ethics for government officers and employees. Not only are there rules regarding nepotism, but also conflict of interest. Read pages 5-6.
http://ethics.ky.gov/SiteCollectionDocuments/CodeOfEthicsGuide.pdf
I think Mr. Kim (I bet he's gonna LOOOOVE people calling him
that!) wanted to get his mug in there, so when they cast the
big Hollywood movie about all this, they'll know what they're
looking for. Bradley Cooper better start perfecting his southern
drawl.
Maybe his dinner with the co-workers was to instruct them on
the proper way to issue licenses to them gays. Like, make sure
you roll your eyes, shake your head, and sigh loudly while
you're in the presence of said gays. And when you hand them
the license and say it's official, keep one hand behind your
back with your fingers crossed. That'll mean it's not really
official after all, so Kim can go ahead and delete the license
from the records when she gets back. Love loses, Kim wins!
Bradley Cooper lol.
Melissa McCarthy as Kim Davis. Tonya Harding as SitNexttoKimDavis.
The next bigot they put forward as a martyr they should probably vet first. Lesson learned.
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lol!! I was just going to post the same thing. Be careful because you never know what skeletons are going to fall out of those closets!
Melissa McCarthy as Kim Davis
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Gotta find her a pair of nifty glasses, though!
Oh, no, it's got to be Kathy Bates as Kim Davis.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=kathy+bates+and+kim+davis&espv=2&biw=1242&bih=585&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIna-JpY7jxwIVUAeSCh24JwXF#imgrc=VHxdrIUkiRAE5M%3A
I have here a link that I believe proves Ms. Bailey and Kim Davis have violated the KY Code of Ethics for government officers and employees. Not only are there rules regarding nepotism, but also conflict of interest.
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Yes, but the rules state that family members may be employed in the same office. If there was a conflict of interest, or if she supervised family members or influenced them in any way could be denied and would have to be proven. This, of course, would open up a whole can of worms regarding what goes on within that office, if there is a conflict of interest in regards to job description, etc.
Melissa McCarthy is too pretty to play Kim!
Yes, rainbows, relatives are allowed but that article dated Dec 2011 raised eyebrows back then how much Kim was paid. Her mother was her supervisor and determined her salary. Also, did you read the stuff about conflict of interest (personal versus the public) or using the office for personal gain? I really think there's some big time stink going on for a long time with the county clerk office.
Admin, I'd like your take on that code of ethics. Of course, violations would have to be proven.
Allowing nepotism sets up a very bad office atmosphere. It's allowed in KY public offices but with caveats.
I bet there are quite a few folks in Morehead that are disgusted with Davis dynasty.
Sept 6 (Reuters) - The lawyer for a Kentucky county clerk who refused to issue same-sex marriage licenses said his team filed on Sunday a notice of appeal over a contempt ruling that landed her in jail.
From Gawker:
Almost 300 ralliers came out in support of county clerk-turned-anti-gay martyr Kim Davis yesterday, many of whom (at least according to their signs) appear to have spoken directly with God and/or Jesus himself.
The generally horrifying display of ignorance and hate took place outside of the Carter County Detention Center in Grayson, Kentucky, where Davis is currently being held for refusing to follow federal law. She could, of course, be freed should she decide to continue doing the job for which she was hired, but Kim Davis says nah.
I watched Huckabee this morning. I am appalled he compares the Supreme Court ruling to the Dred Scott decision and invokes Abraham Lincoln. This is apples and oranges.
""You obey if it's right," the former Arkansas governor said on "This Week." "So, I go back to my question, is slavery the law of the land because Dred Scott said so? Was that a correct decision? Should the courts have been irrevocably followed on that? Should Lincoln have been put in jail? Because he ignored it. That's the fundamental question."
The 1857 Dred Scott decision is widely viewed as the worst Supreme Court ruling in history. In it, the Court ruled that no one with African ancestry could be a citizen of the United States and voided prior legislation that had blocked the expansion of slavery into parts of the country. Huckabee, like some other conservatives, argued that a 19th-century ruling requiring discrimination against black people is similar to a 21st-century ruling barring discrimination against LGBT people."
P.J. said... 91
Oh, no, it's got to be Kathy Bates as Kim Davis.
https://www.google.ca/search?q=kathy+bates+and+kim+davis&espv=2&biw=1242&bih=585&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIna-JpY7jxwIVUAeSCh24JwXF#imgrc=VHxdrIUkiRAE5M%3A
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Now THAT is uncanny.
lol @ 'ya'll are just dirty birdies'.
Kudos to John Kasich!!
John Kasich, who opposes gay marriage, thinks a Kentucky clerk should issue same-sex marriage licenses despite her religious beliefs.
"She's not running a church. I wouldn't force this on a church, but in terms of her responsibility, I think she has to comply," said Kasich, Ohio governor and a GOP presidential candidate. He doesn't think she should sit in jail, he said, but "I think she should follow the law."
Battles over same-sex marriage might turn young people away from Christianity, said Kasich, a Protestant.
"When we see these kind of battles going on, I get a little bit afraid that it turns people off to the idea of faith in God," he said. "I think we need to talk a lot about the do's, about humility, about helping our neighbor, about the need to live a life bigger than ourselves."
Kasich oversees the Ohio Department of Health, which lost the Supreme Court case in June that legalized same-sex marriage nationwide instead of allowing states such as Ohio to ban the practice. Despite his personal opposition to gay marriage, Kasich has said he thinks Americans should accept and follow the ruling of the Supreme Court.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/09/06/john-kasich-ky-clerk-kim-davis-should-follow-law/71817042/
Sue_Buddy said... 85
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Did you happen to notice if they had a set of these unique windchimes?
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Couldn't open the link so I googled redneck windchimes.
I didn't see those chimes in her apartment but they were probably buried in the rubble.
Kasich oversees the Ohio Department of Health, which lost the Supreme Court case in June that legalized same-sex marriage nationwide instead of allowing states such as Ohio to ban the practice. Despite his personal opposition to gay marriage, Kasich has said he thinks Americans should accept and follow the ruling of the Supreme Court.
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Good for HIM. Hats off.
This is the thing, if the shoe were on the other foot and the Supreme Court came out the other way, Kim and her supporters would want people to follow the law.
It was a fair fight, and everyone got their fair chance. You win some you lose some. If you can't concede your losses, then you can't possibly expect the other side to respect your wins. In civilized countries, we're supposed to fight battles like this like gentlemen, which means win, lose or draw, you go on like gentlemen.
Well as the casting director I did think first of Kathy Bates but then I thought, ehh I think she's too old. Melissa McCarthy is a bit too young though.
Maybe Charlize Theron can take the makeup off again and dye her hair mousey brown. She'd fit the bill.
Pastor Robert Jeffress on Fox being interviewed by Tucker Carlson:
"If our forefathers had not been willing to defy government authority, there would have been no American revolution, abolition of slavery or civil rights movement," Jeffress added. He called it “a harbinger of yet to come” because the country keeps moving farther away from Christian/Judeo principles, according to him. “I think Christians are going to have to make a choice to obey God or government. And while it is a noble thing to obey God, there are consequences," he said.
Then, because Davis was not a big enough martyr yet, Jeffress noted that civil disobedience also landed the apostle Peter in jail, Daniel in the lion’s den and Jesus on the cross. He said that Christians “need to understand” that God will ultimately reward obedience to him, but it may not be immediately.
Read more at http://www.newshounds.us/to_fox_news_ky_clerk_kim_davis_is_a_bigger_martyr_than_martin_luther_king_090515#vgPcs2pUZDjrDrqJ.99
"If our forefathers had not been willing to defy government authority, there would have been no American revolution, abolition of slavery or civil rights movement," Jeffress added
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How can they not see the glaring difference?
Again, all movements, some civil disobedience some outright war, to try to EXPAND people's civil rights, not SUPPRESS them.
It's infuriating.
Presidential aspirant Bobby Jindal has come out in support of homophobic Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis, but his support for her contradicts his own language from just a few years ago.
The year was 2009, and Louisiana Justice of the Peace Keith Bardwell refused to officiate an interracial couple's wedding, explaining that he sincerely believed that interracial couples harm children. The outcry was immediate, and Bardwell resigned within a few weeks.
At the time, Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal called for Bardwell to be fired. "This is a clear violation of constitutional rights," Jindal said in 2009. Jindal's opposition to Bardwell's racism was perfectly sensible: elected officials take an oath to serve the public, not to decide which members of the public should or shouldn't have access to government services. Even if Bardwell sincerely believed that interracial couples are inferior, that belief can't be the basis of treating people differently.
But regarding the more recent case of Kim Davis, Jindal said, "I don't think anyone should have to choose between following their conscience and religious beliefs and giving up their job and facing financial sanctions."
Okay Governor, so which is it? Is discriminating against people unconstitutional, like it was in 2009? Or has something changed, and now government officials be allowed to follow their conscience -- even when that makes it impossible for them to do their job?
What if Kim Davis was Muslim clerk at the DMV, and refused to issue drivers' licenses to women? Or a Kosher health inspector, and refused to allow restaurants to serve pork?
Government employees are free to practice their faith in private (just like all Americans). But they can't formalize that faith as official government policy. When they assume the role of a public servant, they have to do just that: serve the public.
Jindal knew that in 2009. It's a shame that he's forgotten it since then.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-baume/republican-supporter-of-k_b_8091196.html
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Another contender that is using Kim Davis to advance themselves. Shameful.
Whoa, the Kathy Bates jumper.
Where do you find jumpers like that anymore anyway.
Sept 6 (Reuters) - The lawyer for a Kentucky county clerk who refused to issue same-sex marriage licenses said his team filed on Sunday a notice of appeal over a contempt ruling that landed her in jail.
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Huh. How do you file an appeal on Sunday? You know with the courthouse being closed and all. For that matter, how do you file an appeal Monday it being labor day and all?
And wouldn't this actually be a writ of habeas corpus, not an appeal?
I took a look at the Free Kim Davis petition that Huckabee started. This is what it says:
"Dear President Obama, Attorney General Lynch, & Judge Bunning:
Immediately release Kim Davis from federal custody. Exercising Religious Liberty should never be a crime in America. This is a direct attack on our God-given, constitutional rights."
Hmm, as far as I was taught, God did not write the constitution.
He also said "Obey(the law), if it is right". Who gets to decide whether a law is right or not? Huckabee? Isn't that the purpose of the Supreme Court--the very Supreme Court that ruled that state laws denying gays the right to marry were illegal and unconstitutional?
Where do you find jumpers like that anymore anyway.
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Michelle Duggar's second floor sewing room.
ainbowsandunicorns said... 92
I have here a link that I believe proves Ms. Bailey and Kim Davis have violated the KY Code of Ethics for government officers and employees. Not only are there rules regarding nepotism, but also conflict of interest.
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Yes, but the rules state that family members may be employed in the same office. If there was a conflict of interest, or if she supervised family members or influenced them in any way could be denied and would have to be proven. This, of course, would open up a whole can of worms regarding what goes on within that office, if there is a conflict of interest in regards to job description, etc
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I think it's pretty clear that Kim Davis supervises her son and was previously supervised by her mother. I suspect the code of ethics doesn't apply to elected officials.
Appealing the contempt charge is a joke, isn't it? It's straight forward and just a ploy to get sympathy.
Poor Ms. Davis the martyr.
Huh. How do you file an appeal on Sunday? You know with the courthouse being closed and all. For that matter, how do you file an appeal Monday it being labor day and all?
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Well, they are special, doncha know? An emergency filing? lol! Maybe he means he has it ready to go on Tuesday.
I always thought habeas was a writ for release from unlawful imprisonment. Was this unlawful? She was put in jail on contempt charges, so wouldn't that be lawful imprisonment? But I don't understand how it falls under an appeal, either.
Well as the casting director I did think first of Kathy Bates but then I thought, ehh I think she's too old. Melissa McCarthy is a bit too young though.
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I think Kathy would be perfect, old or not.
You get the jumper in a vintage clothing shop, or you bring out the old Singer and make one yourself, as in seventh grade home economics class.
It's a writ to the Court of Appeal or if you like you can bypass them and go straight to the state Supreme Court. But unless the judge made some kind of mistake in the process of throwing her in jail, which is doubtful, that writ is going nowhere but the dustbin. Appeals aren't supposed to second guess the judge unless they made some kind of mistake like misinterpreted the law.
I suspect the code of ethics doesn't apply to elected officials.
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LOL. You got that right!
Well, she still has one fan left...a frat boy. She could mother him!
clay @dawsons_creek12
kate gosselin is an inspiration for so many people myself included
clay @dawsons_creek12
and i don't want to live in a world without her
Sheepless (115): ¨You get the jumper in a vintage clothing shop, or you bring out the old Singer and make one yourself, as in seventh grade home economics class.¨
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McCall's patterns on ebay!
Please forgive me if I'm misunderstanding this. So Kim Davis
fighting to prevent people of the same gender from marrying
each other is being compared to Abraham Lincoln fighting to
end the physical enslavement of an entire race of human
beings? I need a cold compress and a cold Rumspringa.
Dwindle, please come back for virtual hand holding!
Please forgive me if I'm misunderstanding this. So Kim Davis
fighting to prevent people of the same gender from marrying
each other is being compared to Abraham Lincoln fighting to
end the physical enslavement of an entire race of human
beings
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Oy.
I better comparison might be we just won the civil war but Kim Davis still won't let her slaves go free.
clay @dawsons_creek12
kate gosselin is an inspiration for so many people myself included
clay @dawsons_creek12
and i don't want to live in a world without her
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You don't have to, Clay. She has her very own planet. Go there.
Re appeal - its federal court, everything , including court of appeals, is filed electronically 24/7
I'm babysitting my friend's dog tonight through tomorrow. The dog's name is Milo.
No relation, I think.
Re appeal - its federal court, everything , including court of appeals, is filed electronically 24/7
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Ah. Did they skip the state appeals process all together and go straight for a federal writ?
Like federal is going to give them the time of day. They probably would have a better....slightly anyway, chace of appealing to locals and hoping for a sympathetic, local panel of justices. Federal court ain't gonna do something different than their boss, the Supreme Court. They're dreaming.
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 106
Whoa, the Kathy Bates jumper.
Where do you find jumpers like that anymore anyway.
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On modestapparelusa.com, of course. I kid you not, it really exists. Or make them, but you have to find a pattern. Again, online or maybe in the costume section of a pattern book.
You can get anything online these days. My daughter has an hourglass figure and finds it hard to find clothing to fit really well. She ordered a couple of dresses online, made to her measurements and in her choice of fabric, and was quite pleased. Ordering bridal gowns or bridesmaids dresses on the web seems to be another matter altogether.
Damon Wayans is an idiot
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/damon-wayans-defends-bill-cosby-calls-accusers-un-040024104.html
I think the contempt charge was in federal court not state court
This is why Huckabee is dead wrong using the Dred Scott de ion as an analogy:
In many ways this backwards decision helped to spark the initial flames of what would become a civil war between the states over the issue of slavery. In ruling that black people don’t count as equal to whites, the SCOTUS essentially nullified the Missouri Compromise and halted the forward progress of the fight for racial equality among slave states. In referencing this historically consequential mistake, people like Huckabee and Fischer and Moore are clearly hoping to stoke the (unfounded) fears of another civil war, or at least of disruptive civil disobedience. Virtually everyone today agrees that the Dred Scott decision was a bad one, and that it shows the highest court of appeals can still make mistakes. But at the time of the decision, that sentiment wasn’t so unanimous. At the time, the Southern evangelical analogues to Huckabee, Fischer, and Moore praised the SCOTUS decision as a sensible one, and that fact seems to be completely lost on these guys.
If there are any parallels to today’s situation, common sense would dictate that the current SCOTUS did what the previous one did not: They observed the winds of change among public opinion as it relates to a class of people (this time it’s the LGBT community instead of people of African descent) and ruled that treating them differently from everyone else isn’t fair. Some still oppose this, yes, but the general consensus among Americans appears to have shifted in the direction of affording its LGBT citizens the same rights as everyone else. Our current Supreme Court did the opposite of what the court of 1857 did: They ruled that LGBTs deserve the same rights and considerations as everyone else. Huckabee and company are trying to get that reversed. They are standing on the same side as the 1857 court they so repetitively disparage. When confronted with a question of basic human rights, the 1857 SCOTUS kicked the matter back to the states to decide instead of settling the issue once and for all. That’s the very thing the conservative pundits today are suggesting the Supreme Court should have done with regards to same-sex marriage.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/godlessindixie/2015/06/28/dred-scott/
I was lousy at history, I freely admit it. However, I do recall a few things about our forefathers. As I recall, the authors of our Constitution and Declaration of Independence were not professing Christians. Many of the signers were, of course, but not the principal authors. I believe they were more Deists than anything, if they can be labeled at all.
There seems to be a belief out there that America is a Christian nation.
It may be populated by more Christians than non-Christians, the original immigrants were Christian, but that does not make it a Christian nation.
I think it is time to remind ourselves of this. It is ridiculous to bring the Christian religion into conversations about governmental issues when
the government is essentially agnostic.
JMHO. By the way, I am Christian.
The founding fathers specifically did NOT want religion to be a factor in big part because a lot of people had come to America in the first place because of religious persecution by their governments. They saw intertwining religion and state as something that usually leads to bad things.
So to even invoke religion in an argument about what government should and shouldn't do runs contrary to the very principles on which we were founded.
Courts make mistakes and have in the past and they will later change them. The idea is to progress forward not backward. I see the gay marriage opinion as a fix it opinion, to correct some past wrongs.
A hundred years ago the state of California said that a Chinese man could not be a lawyer because he was Chinese. He accepted the decision, and went to another state and practiced there and was very successful.
This year, our CA state Supreme Court issued an opinion indicating that he is now a member of the Bar, and that to deny him membership was wrong.
The man is long dead now, but it was about moving forward, owning mistakes, and fixing them. It's a moving opinion.
This is not one of those opinions that will go down in history as something to be ashamed of, as much as the Huckabees of the world want it lumped into that group.
Rainbirdie said... 127
Damon Wayans is an idiot
https://celebrity.yahoo.com/news/damon-wayans-defends-bill-cosby-calls-accusers-un-040024104.html
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I'm so disappointed in that. In Living Color was a great show! What an idiot
Federal appeal begins
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/us/jailed-kentucky-clerk-starts-federal-appeal.html?partner=socialflow&smid=tw-nytnational&smtyp=cur&_r=1
The founding fathers specifically did NOT want religion to be a factor in big part because a lot of people had come to America in the first place because of religious persecution by their governments.
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Yes, but the Constitution is predicated on the Declaration, which contains the ¨Endowed by their Creator...¨ ¨Supreme Judge¨ and ¨Divine Protection.¨ There are probably more references to God and religion, but Problems of Democracy class was such a long time ago that I forget. Something happened between the signing of the Declaration and the Preamble/Constitution that references to the supreme being was left out in the latter.
I read about Damon Wayans earlier. He is an idiot. Totally an idiot.
He said they were unrapeable. I told him that he was unwatchable.
I just ate some Chex Mix, and managed to resist downing the whole
bag, and will save the rest for tomorrow. For this accomplishment,
I see myself as a modern day Eleanor Roosevelt. Please rally to support me, and sign an email petition to get my picture put on
the new $10 bill instead of her. Thank you, one and all!
Yes, but the Constitution is predicated on the Declaration, which contains the ¨Endowed by their Creator...¨ ¨Supreme Judge¨ and ¨Divine Protection.¨ There are probably more references to God and religion
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That's the thing. Christians are assuming that this Creator, Supreme Power and Divine Protector are the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and Jesus' Father. I think they used the language they did to avoid leading in that direction.
I think every religion believes some deity brought humans into existence. I think every religion considers there is some power greater than human power and governments. I think every religion at least hopes this higher power provides protection to a nation. That being does not necessarily have a name or a sacred writing.
I think this non specific powerful being is what our founders had in mind. It falls very well into the arena of deism, which simply means belief in a god, a higher power, of some sort.
(Leslie)
Gee, Is this a coindence.
FACT: Both Jindal and Huckabee are running for presidency and are not receiving any media attention in their pursuits.
But now Jindal and Huckabee are both jumping into the media fray with their two cents about Kim Davis.
CONCLUSION: I guess they have to grab the media spotlight any way they can.
FlimsyFlamsy, I will sign the petition if the Chex Mix is the Bold flavor!
I especially love the rye chips! I wish I could get a bag with just the
rye chips with the flavor!
(Leslie)
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/01/in_suicide_of_bright_princeton.html
Photos and comments are from Bill's parents. Note the blanket in the background of their home. Somehow I believe the man's stance with the rifle is how Bill's father rules his roost and family.
Admin said...
I'm babysitting my friend's dog tonight through tomorrow. The dog's name is Milo.
if it makes it any better I read that as Mee-lo
sometimes being French has its benefits
franky, there are two Milos in our puppy class and two more in our neighbourhood ! It seems to be a popular name for.....dogs. Good luck with sitting your Meelo, lol.
The faith-based movie "The War Room" was #1 at the box office
this weekend. But Mike Huckabee said we are witnessing the
"criminalization of Christianity" in America. If he's right, how come
there weren't thousands of protests all over the country about this
movie? How come people were able to purchase tickets to this
film and sit down and enjoy it without fear of retribution? I bet
its success will lead to more faith-based movies down the line,
too. They may not be my cup of tea, but if other people find
them entertaining, that's great, and not for me to criticize.
Although the notice to appeal that was filed by her lawyers on Sunday (available here), doesn’t outline why her attorneys think she should be released “Davis' legal team seemed to indicate they would argue the contempt of court ruling was a violation of due process,” points out NPR. "Mrs. Davis is entitled to proper notice and due process when she is threatened with the loss of her freedom. There was no indication that she would be incarcerated," Staver noted in his statement. Another lawyer for Davis, Roger Gannam, told Reuters that “the contempt order itself was unlawful.”
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/07/kim_davis_kentucky_clerk_kim_davis_appeals_jail_order.html
They're going for the angle of something went wrong procedurally with incarcerating her. I have to give them credit for that. Just whining that this isn't fair will get them nowhere. Their only hope is to prove something was't done correctly.
That's right. War Room is huge. It just opened in 400 new theaters.
Nobody has a problem with Christianity when it is used for good. The problem is when it is used for bad, like to cover up molesting children, or infringe on other's legal rights.
Milo is the name of the dog from The Mask. That might have something to do with its popularity.
Somehow I can't picture our Milo being a fan of The Mask or even aware of that film.
http://www.mobuzz.tv/everything-you-need-to-know-about-milo-from-the-mask/
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They're going for the angle of something went wrong procedurally with incarcerating her. I have to give them credit for that. Just whining that this isn't fair will get them nowhere. Their only hope is to prove something was't done correctly.
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Say something wasn't done by the book and she gets out. Davis is just going to defy the court again and round and round we go.
"Mrs. Davis is entitled to proper notice and due process when she is threatened with the loss of her freedom. There was no indication that she would be incarcerated," Staver noted in his statement.
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If there was no indication that she would be incarcerated, why did she state, in an interview with Fox radio before the hearing, "I'm prepared to go to jail".
Apparently, she(and her lawyers) knew there was a possibility of that happening, otherwise why make such a statement?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/09/03/kentucky-clerk-am-prepared-to-go-to-jail.html
I sometimes wonder if her lawyers actually advised her to refuse the judge's order again on Thursday and that going to jail would be a good thing, because she and her cause would get more attention and publicity by doing so. And that is exactly what happened--she's now the martyr for the cause against gay rights.
If she had complied with the order, this probably would have all faded away by now and Huckabee would have moved on to some other Christian that he could use for his own agenda.
The attachments to the appeal are really interesting in their legal arguments.
https://www.liberty.edu/media/9980/attachments/2015/Amended_Notice_of_Appeal_dated_September_6_2015_-_Dkt_No_79.pdf
They say Davis in her role may not set policy. She only enforces it. The governor issued a directive way back when the Supreme Court decided the issue that he was ordering all clerks to issue the licenses or step down.
In a rural, law income area just telling people to go get the license in another county could be a significant financial hardship. And if they let this county not issue them what if all the other counties refuse too?
"Having considered Davis’ arguments in depth, the Court finds that Plaintiffs have one feasible avenue for obtaining their marriage licenses–they must go to another county. Davis makes much of the fact that Plaintiffs are able to travel, but she fails to address the one question that lingers in the Court’s mind. Even if Plaintiffs are able to obtain licenses elsewhere, why should they be required to?"
It looks like the judge's record was solid.
If there was no indication that she would be incarcerated, why did she state, in an interview with Fox radio before the hearing, "I'm prepared to go to jail".
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Whoops. Well, wait. Maybe the judge didn't say, "I'm going to count to three, and I really, really mean it this time!".
The judge doesn't even think it's really a free speech issue. He's like, look, all you have to do is give them the piece of paper. You can still go around telling everybody you hate gay marriage. The speech of the paper is the government's speech, not Davis's, and she has no right to attribute the issuing or not of that paper to her speech. No free speech issue there. Great legal argument.
I sometimes wonder if her lawyers actually advised her to refuse the judge's order again on Thursday and that going to jail would be a good thing, because she and her cause would get more attention and publicity by doing so. And that is exactly what happened--she's now the martyr for the cause against gay rights.
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Wait and see what happens if she's let out and gets marched right back into jail again.
Davis will get palms laid down at her feet.
Even if Plaintiffs are able to obtain licenses elsewhere, why should they be required to?"
It looks like the judge's record was solid.
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It comes back down to treating everyone equally. Making gay and lesbian couples jump through hoops, or even suffer hardship, because Davis refuses to execute the duties they are paying her for (handsomely) is simply discrimination, plain and simple.
The opening of the movie, Straight Out of Compton opened the same weekend as The War Room. SOOC was shown in 3K theaters and TWR in 1100. They made about the same amount of money. So, TWR made that amount in 1100 seats compared to SOOC's 3K.
If there was no indication that she would be incarcerated, why did she state, in an interview with Fox radio before the hearing, "I'm prepared to go to jail".
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Whoops. Well, wait. Maybe the judge didn't say, "I'm going to count to three, and I really, really mean it this time!".
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Hahahaha!
I'm sure they'll catch it, but Tucker you should make sure the plaintiffs know that. :)
I don't understand. It was a contempt hearing, didn't they realize that? Is jail not a remedy at a contempt hearing? Usually it's that or a fine. It's not three lashings and a walk of shame, generally.
The judge must have been burning the midnight oil with his clerks putting together this record.
Accordingly, “[w]hen a citizen enters government service, the citizen by necessity must accept certain limitations on his or her freedom.” Garcetti, 547 U.S. at 418
Davis contends that “[c]ompelling all individuals who have any connection with the issuance of marriage licenses . . . to authorize, approve, and participate in that act against their sincerely held religious beliefs about marriage, without providing accommodation, amounts to an improper religious test for holding (or maintaining) public office.” (Doc. # 29 at 20). The Court must again point out that the act of issuing a marriage license to a same- sex couple merely signifies that the couple has met the legal requirements to marry. It is not a sign of moral or religious approval. The State is not requiring Davis to express a
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particular religious belief as a condition of public employment, nor is it forcing her to surrender her free exercise rights in order to perform her duties. Thus, it seems unlikely that Davis will be able to establish a violation of the Religious Test Clause.
Ok I read the whole thing. In thinking about this, the courts have absolutely no option but to force her to do it or make her sit in jail.
If they let her get away with it, then it opens the door for every other clerk and county to follow suit. It would be a huge mess. No judge is going down that rabbit hole. She's done. I hope she has her affairs in order because she could sit in jail in contempt for a decade. She's going to have to swallow some glass here and just resign so she can get out. Surely she wants to live a normal life at some point and stop being Huckabee's pawn.
The Court must again point out that the act of issuing a marriage license to a same- sex couple merely signifies that the couple has met the legal requirements to marry.
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This is how I see it. I don't know how Davis can think she is condoning or endorsing gay marriage. She's a clerk with a punch list.
Same procedure for many functions and issuances, for which she does not affect the ultimate outcome.
She's a verifier of existing information.
Surely she wants to live a normal life at some point and stop being Huckabee's pawn.
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I think The Huckster and his entourage are flying there this week to campaign.
She's the new Joe the Plumber.
Sucker. Davis is going to bear the biggest brunt of this whole fiasco.
I hope she's been saving her money because she doesn't look near retirement age, and I can't imagine she'll see that salary again.
These politicians all move on and leave the people they use for their own agenda behind to mend their broken lives.
The Court must again point out that the act of issuing a marriage license to a same- sex couple merely signifies that the couple has met the legal requirements to marry.
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This is how I see it. I don't know how Davis can think she is condoning or endorsing gay marriage. She's a clerk with a punch list.
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There are so many jobs like this, where you facilitate someone doing something that you may not personally agree with.
They range from small things, like selling cigarettes to someone with lung cancer, to bigger things, like defending a murderer.
This is just how society functions. Millions of Americans do things that facilitate order in society without personally becoming involved in it. There's nothing wrong with this that I see. So many of us are worker bees, working for the greater good of what is supposed to be a civilized law abiding country.
I don't think Kim understands how what she did tore that down to its foundations.
Those lawyers of hers are religious ambulance chasers. Her goose is cooked and they know it. They want her in jail so Huckabee can make his appearance and get press coverage. It is disturbing on every level that this woman is being compared to Rosa Parks and Dr. King.
Allowing couples to get their license in a different county is acceptable because Kim Davis has a right to refuse because of her religious freedom?
So, she feels it is just okay to make couples just go "over there" to get the marriage certificate.
Boy oh boy, I am old enough to remember that this statement is just like the following:
You can get a drink of water right down there, next to the "white only" one
You can go to school right over there, across town from the all white one
You can get married in another state because we don't approve of marriage between races here.
People protested the civil rights after we made civil rights the law of the land. They quoted that their religious beliefs supported that.
Guess how stupid those people feel today? That is Kim's real future.
Now, I am going to try and get a job in a prison as the official that is responsible to administer the medication to prisoners for the death sentence and then just not do it because my deeply held religious belief is "thou shall not kill" but I will still collect my paycheck! Money for nothing, sweet.
I am however really concerned that some politicians running for President do no understand the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and do not know the difference between religious freedom and religious privilege. Endorsing breaking the federal law is really disturbing.
Should I run for the border or hide under the veranda?
She is 49. This may continue until the KY legislature reconvenes in Jan. or the governor decides to spend state money and impeach her. She'll never see $80k again in that county. Not to worry. She will be the spokesperson for fundamental Christians and get paid handsomely. I bet it's all been worked out.
I served on a jury once, and we were warned that we might be
sequestered if we didn't reach a verdict by the end of the day,
so we should be prepared to stay overnight. It was a pretty
straightforward gun possession case, and I thought there was
no way we'd wind up stuck there. But I brought my toothbrush
just in case. And sure enough, we wound up sequestered!
So, if Kim wasn't prepared to go to jail, it was her own fault.
Oh, or Jon's...
Controversial televangelist Pat Robertson has said that the jailing of Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis over her refusal to issue marriage licenses to gay couples is "just the beginning."
On a recent episode of the Christian Broadcasting Network program "The 700 Club," Robertson stated that he believed more efforts to imprison critics of homosexuality would arise.
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No kidding, Sherlock!
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"The gays do not just want to be recognized, they do not want to be accepted, they do not want to have just freedom, they want everybody to agree with them and everybody who doesn't agree with them and does not comport with their way of thinking, they want to be punished, put in jail, or fined."
http://www.christianpost.com/news/pat-robertson-says-kim-davis-arrest-is-just-the-beginning-144707/
I think that the SCOTUS decision was firmly based on the fact that we, as a society, have evolved to the point where we see gay rights as a civil rights issue. Sexual orientation is not a choice, any more than race or gender.
Kicking it back to the states would not have resolved the issue before them, which was that they were being denied the federal protections, benefits and tax treatment that heterosexual couples enjoy. Given the fact that there are so many children involved, denying those rights to the parents also punishes children. Even if religious people don't believe in marriage rights, can't they see that they are singling out children and denying them the right to have their families validated, too? The immorality of that, IMO, should transcend any moral or religious objections to a gay marriage. Freedom doesn't mean that everyone is happy or gets what they want. I don't think the ruling went far enough in that there is an allowance for exceptions to discrimination based on religious beliefs. Discrimination is discrimination--no exceptions. Discrimination in federal benefits, or religion--no difference to me. So, I didn't get everything I want, either.
Milo is the name of the dog from The Mask. That might have something to do with its popularity.
Somehow I can't picture our Milo being a fan of The Mask or even aware of that film.
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Milo is the name of Milo's orange cat. I doubt that Milo named her cat after a dog unless she is a fan of Nickelodeon's CatDog!
"The gays do not just want to be recognized, they do not want to be accepted, they do not want to have just freedom, they want everybody to agree with them and everybody who doesn't agree with them and does not comport with their way of thinking, they want to be punished, put in jail, or fined."
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More lies. Actually "the gays" said they did NOT want her put in jail and worked with the judge to offer her a very fair compromise that would avoid jail time AND got her out of issuing the licenses. If her issue was she personally doesn't want to issue them, which she herself admits, why not take the deal?
Davis is wrong for the same reasons Muslim cabbies in Minneapolis-St. Paul were wrong some years ago when they claimed a right not to carry passengers who had alcohol on them and Christian pharmacists were wrong when they claimed a right not to fill birth control prescriptions. You have a right to your religious conscience. You do not have a right to impose your conscience upon other people.
And if conscience impinges that heavily upon your business or your job, the solution is simple: Sell the business or quit the job. Otherwise, serve your customers and keep your conscience out of their affairs.
Taken to its logical conclusion, it is not just gay men and lesbians who are threatened by the "religious liberty" movement, but all of us.
Is it too much of a stretch to suggest that most of us probably run afoul of somebody's reading of their religion in some way or another? Who would welcome a future where you couldn't just enter a place and expect service but, rather, must read the signs to determine if it caters to people of your sexual orientation, marital status, religion or race?
We tried something like that once. It didn't work.
Sadly, if people like Kim Davis have their way, we may be required to try it again. They call it "religious liberty."
Read more here: http://www.islandpacket.com/2015/09/06/3913092/religious-liberty-is-just-another.html#storylink=cpy
Ex Nurse well said.
I think we as a society are at a crossroads. I think people need to ask themselves some serious questions.
Look at racism. Is it enough for people to just accept equal rights when it comes to race, but still hate or totally disagree with the policy of equal right? I don't think it is. I don't think it's right to still be a racist in your heart even though you follow the laws. You have a RIGHT to be, but it doesn't move society forward. At some point people need to think about why this should be any different with any other law that seeks to expand equal rights, including gay marriage.
I think this non specific powerful being is what our founders had in mind. It falls very well into the arena of deism, which simply means belief in a god, a higher power, of some sort.
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But the Constitution is signed and dated ¨In the Year of Our Lord¨
Interesting on how this might have made it into the Constitution.
http://www.philipvickersfithian.com/2011/05/us-constitution-and-year-of-our-lord.html
She's only 49?
Wow those Duggar jumpers really do add five years.
Milo is the name of Milo's orange cat. I doubt that Milo named her cat after a dog unless she is a fan of Nickelodeon's CatDog!
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We named our first orange tabby after Milo from the movie 'The Adventures of Milo and Otis', a popular '80s movie about a pug and a cat, which my kids loved. After he passed we were adopted by HRH King Charles who is a dead ringer for our dear departed Milo.
OT but still something amazingly funny to me is:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3225193/Amy-s-Baking-Company-closes-Arizona-Kitchen-Nightmares-appearance-continues-live-infamy.html
Amy is Kate in her way, but Amy is aided and abetted by her
also crazy husband which adds more color to their tv. "glory".
Boy oh boy, I am old enough to remember that this statement is just like the following:
You can get a drink of water right down there, next to the "white only" one
You can go to school right over there, across town from the all white one
You can get married in another state because we don't approve of marriage between races here.
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I agree that's exactly what it's like.
"Hey, you're free to get married/ride the bus/go to school, just separate and different than me".
People who disagree with gay marriage should reflect on how they go forward from here. Gay marriage isn't going away.
How are they going to treat gay couples and their families?
Are they going to march, protest and point their fingers, calling them perverts? Are they going to treat them with disrespect and contempt?
http://radaronline.com/photos/amy-duggar-exclusive-wedding-photos/photo/1195239/
They're bbbaaacccckkkkk . . . . . . Jill & Derrick are back stateside, JimBoob poses with guests, Amy Duggar was soooo ready to stop being a Duggar.
According to a NYT article, Kim's lawyer accused the judge of already planning on jailing her before the hearing was already held. It doesn't say where or when he said it, but I am assuming he said it at his press conference.
"Mathew Staver, the founder and chairman of Liberty Counsel, which is representing Ms. Davis, said her incarceration violated her right to due process because it appeared to stem from the judge’s “previous intention to incarcerate.” He said Ms. Davis had been jailed after a motion of contempt filed by the plaintiffs that asked the court only to fine her.
Mr. Staver said an official from the Carter County Detention Center in Grayson, Ky., where Ms. Davis is being held, had attended the court session and led her away at the end. That, he said, indicated that the judge, David L. Bunning, had planned to jail her before the merits of the contempt motion were heard."
According to all the news articles I read, she was taken away by a U.S. Marshall, who then turned her over to the county jail. Even if an officer from the jail was at the court hearing, how does that prove that the judge had already made up his mind before the hearing?
He could have been there "just in case", because jail was one of the options as punishment for contempt of court.
Are they going to march, protest and point their fingers, calling them perverts? Are they going to treat them with disrespect and contempt?
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That's exactly what the fundamentalists are doing.
Mr. Staver said an official from the Carter County Detention Center in Grayson, Ky., where Ms. Davis is being held, had attended the court session and led her away at the end. That, he said, indicated that the judge, David L. Bunning, had planned to jail her before the merits of the contempt motion were heard."
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They seem to be grasping at straws for the "error."
A judge is allowed to give tentatives. They are allowed to say my intent is to do this, but let's hear from you. As long as they don't make a comment like, "and there's nothing you can say or present that can change my mind!" then it's fine.
Another thing--If the judge "had already made his decision"(as her lawyers assert) before the hearing, then why would he have given her a second chance to comply after interviewing the deputy clerks?
He gave her another out from jail time, saying she would be released as long as she didn't interfere with the deputies issuing license, but she said she'd rather stay in jail rather then allow them to do so.
Than in itself, seems to disprove their case that the judge had a prior agenda.
"The gays do not just want to be recognized, they do not want to be accepted, they do not want to have just freedom, they want everybody to agree with them and everybody who doesn't agree with them and does not comport with their way of thinking, they want to be punished, put in jail, or fined."
http://www.christianpost.com/news/pat-robertson-says-kim-davis-arrest-is-just-the-beginning-144707/
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"The gays".
Really?
The rhetoric is so Jesus-y.
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Davis is wrong for the same reasons Muslim cabbies in Minneapolis-St. Paul were wrong some years ago when they claimed a right not to carry passengers who had alcohol on them and Christian pharmacists were wrong when they claimed a right not to fill birth control prescriptions. You have a right to your religious conscience. You do not have a right to impose your conscience upon other people.
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TLC...I start to read your posts (thanks for the excellent articles), but I can't tell what parts are your thoughts and what comes from an online article since many of them start off with no quotes so I think those are your words. It really would be helpful if you wrote something like...The following is from (insert link) and then begin and end those excerpts with quotation marks, and then follow with your own comments (if there are any).
Maybe it's just me and the Rumspringa adds to my confusion!
She locked herself in jail. The judge seemed very fair.
Jail is an option for contempt of court. Anyone who's ever watched and episode of Law and Order knows that, right redbird? LOL
Even Fox News cannot defend Davis or her attorney. Good for them. The law is clear.
A panel of legal experts on Fox News came to the conclusion on Monday that Kim Davis’ attorney, Mat Staver, was “ridiculously stupid” for asserting that the Supreme Court did not have constitutional authority to strike down same-sex marriage bans.
On Monday’s edition of Happening Now, trial attorney Chip Merlin pointed out that anyone who violates a judge’s order should “expect to be thrown in jail.”
“She can still practice her faith,” Fox News host Gregg Jarrett noted. “Just not on the job in a way that interferes with the legal rights of the citizens she serves. And in fact, the U.S. Supreme Court said so nine years ago.”
“She’s a hypocrite,” criminal defense attorney Sharon Liko agreed. “She’s applying for the job of a martyr. She wants to practice her faith by not issuing marriage licenses. Yet, she will not agree to let the deputy county clerks issue marriage licenses even if it’s okay with their faith.”
“When she took the job she swore to uphold the law,” Jarrett explained. “We rely on government officials to do that. They can’t just pick and choose what laws they like, which ones they don’t. If they were allowed to do that, wouldn’t that lead to chaos, anarchy and so forth?”
Jarrett also called out Davis’s attorney, who said it was “questionable” if the Supreme Court had the “constitutional authority” to rule on same-sex marriage.
“Whether the Supreme Court has constitutional authority?” the Fox News host said. “Article III Section 2 of the Constitution gives the Supreme Court constitutional authority to decide constitutional issues!”
Jarrett added that Staver’s statement appeared to be “stunningly obtuse.”
“That’s a very polite way of putting it,” Liko replied. “I would say it’s just a ridiculously stupid statement. The Supreme Court does just that, and they determine constitutionality issues, they resolve these kinds of disputes.”
“This woman has a choice, she can either follow the law — she can do her job — or she can get out.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/fox-news-panel-concludes-that-kim-davis-lawyer-is-ridiculously-stupid/
There's a video from this morning if you go to the link.
RE: Amy's Baking Co. What a couple of maroons. From the article:
"In the fallout, it emerged Amy had done time for misusing a Social Security number, Samy was jailed for drugs and a video emerged appearing to show him threatening a customer with a knife."
When you use reality tv, when you risk bad behaviour in public, be prepared that you no longer control the narrative. Every skeleton in your closet will be dragged out.
This couldn't happen to a nicer couple.
A panel of legal experts on Fox News today weighed in on the Kim Davis case and the appeal. They made some very good points and one of them called Kim's lawyer "ridiculously stupid".
https://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/fox-news-panel-concludes-that-kim-davis-lawyer-is-ridiculously-stupid/
I recommend watching the video at the bottom of the article.
I'm no fan of Fox news, but on this issue, they got it right.
When even many mainstream Republicans are saying look, we have to concede the point on this one, you know you're a zealot.
I am proud of mainstream Americans, Republicans and otherwise, for accepting defeat on this one. If we start picking and choosing what laws we're going to follow or not based on personal preference, that's anarchy.
Davis's lawyers have filed an emergency request to the Governor.
Why can't she sit her arse in jail and wait a week until the judge sees her and asks her if she has changed her mind?
She's got the damn get out of jail free card in her own hands, yet she chooses to have her lawyers go to these ridiculous extremes.
She's a special snowflake, evidently.
The thing that's really laughable is that these Fundies aren't even speaking for most Christians. In their eyes even most Christians have it wrong.
IMO, Kim's attorneys are acting like the sheeple. There is no way in hell they believe what is coming out of their own mouths, but they'll be darned if they'll admit they're wrong.
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Ooh, yeah! Remember when Munch was so mad at the judge and said, Who's pocket are you in? I was going, Go Munch Go! and just kept going and going and Elliot too in another episode. Oh, and the undercover FBI agent Dana Lewis, in that southern voice, the fines were getting higher and higher and then jail!
Davis's lawyers have filed an emergency request to the Governor.
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Oh. The same governor who a couple months back ordered all his clerks to COMPLY with the law, no buts about it?
Good thinkin'!
I need to go check in with SitNexttoKimDavis on all this.
I ned to brush up on my checks and balances. Does the governor even have authority to intervene on this? Can he really pardon her if she's violating federal law?
Sitnexto Kim Davis @nexttokimdavis 1h1 hour ago
Sitnexto Kim Davis retweeted Annie
You mean #NOTClerkingWhileChristian. Also #StealingOreos, and #WheresMyGoodFuckingPen? Sitnexto Kim Davis added,
Annie @bloodless_coup
So I guess can add #ClerkingWhileChristian to the list of crimes like #DrivingWhileBlack now, huh progressives?
Proud?
Sitnexto Kim Davis @nexttokimdavis Sep 6
Can't sleep. @libertycounsel are snoring on lawn. They wrestle a lot when they drink.
Sitnexto Kim Davis @nexttokimdavis Sep 6
Sitnexto Kim Davis retweeted Patricia Sullivan
AND YOU DONT UNDERSTAND JOKES OR "YOU'RE" Sitnexto Kim Davis added,
Patricia Sullivan @Texas2Love
@nexttokimdavis Your a lazy woman who don't give a crap about society. Just want a chill job??
Why can't she sit her arse in jail and wait a week until the judge sees her and asks her if she has changed her mind?
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No Mountain Dew in jail.
No oreos. No cable TV to tune to HGTV.
No purple JUMPERS.
Jail turned out to be pretty darn close to how Orange is the New Black portrays it after all.
I just looked at Amy Duggar's wedding dress. My goodness, she is really popping out of it. Even the back is quite low and doesn't really fit properly. Good thing Josh was not able to attend, snark, snark. Michelle is wearing a dress just below the knees, not her long prairie denim. It appears none of the Duggar girls were in the wedding party. It looked like Jana carrying Anna's baby unless that was Anna with a huge weight loss.
From Yahoo News:
LOUISVILLE, Ky. (Reuters) - Lawyers for jailed Kentucky county clerk Kim Davis said on Monday they had asked an appellate court to force Governor Steve Beshear to let her refuse to issue same-sex marriage licenses based on her religious convictions.
The lawyers sought emergency relief from the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals, asking it to grant Davis an exemption from the "Governor's mandate that all county clerks issue marriage licenses," the non-profit legal advocacy group Liberty Counsel, which represents Davis, said in a news release.
"The Governor’s refusal to take elementary steps to protect religious liberties has now landed Kim Davis in jail," Liberty Counsel founder and chairman Mat Staver said.
"As a prisoner of her conscience, Davis continues to request a simple accommodation and exemption from the Governor."
The exemption would cover all marriage licenses. Davis, 49, was in jail for a fifth day on Monday after defying a U.S. district judge's orders to issue licenses to same-sex couples because as a Christian she opposes gay marriage.
Davis's lawyers have filed an emergency request to the Governor.
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They didn't file to the request TO the Governor, they filed it to the Appellate Court, asking them for an exemption from the Governor's order that all clerks are to issue same-sex marriage licenses. You can read about it here:
http://www.newsweek.com/kim-davis-petitions-court-force-kentucky-governor-allow-denial-gay-marriage-369453
Also, here is Liberty Counsel's press release re this matter:
http://www.lc.org/index.cfm?PID=14100&PRID=1592
Their press release states:
"Today, on behalf of Rowan County, Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis, Liberty Counsel filed a request for an order providing relief pending appeal against Gov. Steven Beshear at the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeal. This is an emergency request for the Governor to accommodate Kim’s religious conviction, which would free her from jail. “Today is a holiday where most people are spending time with family and friends. But for Kim Davis this is day five of her incarceration. While she is content no matter her circumstances because of her deep faith and Jesus, she should be free,” said Mat Staver, Founder and Chairman of Liberty Counsel.
Today’s filing addresses Gov. Beshear’s inaction and refusal to consider easy accommodations for Kim Davis. The motion requests an injunction pending appeal for an exemption from the Governor’s mandate that all county clerks issue marriage licenses. The Governor’s edict directed Kentucky County Clerks like Kim Davis to authorize same-sex marriage licenses bearing their own name.
“Coercing Mrs. Davis to authorize and personally approve same-sex marriage in violation of her religious convictions and conscience is wrong,” said Staver.
Staver continued, “From the outset of this case, Kim Davis has proposed numerous simple options to protect her sincerely-held religious beliefs. These less-restrictive solutions are readily available, and easily accomplished by the Governor and the state agency responsible for designing the revised marriage form at issue in this litigation. The Governor’s refusal to take elementary steps to protect religious liberties has now landed Kim Davis in jail. As a prisoner of her conscience, Davis continues to request a simple accommodation and exemption from the Governor."
Sorry, but Kim Davis, and Kim Davis alone, landed herself in jail. She had her options and she refused all of them.
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