http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/tlc-presents/be-the-voice/
http://fortune.com/2015/08/30/tlc-19-kids-duggar/
Sunday, August 30, 2015
Discussion Thread: Breaking the Silence
With little fanfare, tonight TLC airs their promised documentary about sexual abuse awareness. Commercial free. Check local listings.
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/tlc-presents/be-the-voice/
http://fortune.com/2015/08/30/tlc-19-kids-duggar/
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/tlc-presents/be-the-voice/
http://fortune.com/2015/08/30/tlc-19-kids-duggar/
2142 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 1401 – 1600 of 2142 Newer› Newest»P.J. said... 189
Jacob Roloff is flexing his muscles. Go Jacob.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/little-people-big-world-family-feud-jacob-roloff-calls-child-star-contract-reform/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=LittlePeopleBigDrama
“It is so they and their kids can have ‘good’ lives, full of fun trips and easy ‘work'; but what I’m saying is money and fame and trips and a ‘good life’ are being traded for authenticity, genuine family time, and shaping the life of a young kid and, more often than not, in a bad way,” he posted. “IM saying, childhood stardom needs to be thought out waaaay more.”
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Yes, Jacob, tell it like it is. Lots of money, a big house and trips are not the fundamentals of a happy, healthy childhood.
It's time these fame and money-chasing parents don't any more passes for selling their children.
That fact is, not everyone would jump at the money, fame and 'stuff'. Not when the price is putting your children up on the altar of reality tv.
Then Amy is quoted as saying that she gave Anna a certificate for a mani-pedi and a certificate to her favorite restaurant so Anna and JIM BOB CAN HAVE A REALLY SWEET DATE NIGHT!!!
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You screwed that up, again. You misread the article. She gave the gift card to Michelle, to her favorite restaurant, so that she could have a date night with Jim Bob.
Read, think, think again.
JR
redbird said... 161
Whoa, Nelly! I just scanned it too fast. But WHY would Amy give
Jib Mob and Babytalk a certificate to go out to eat for a fun date night? They just don't deserve it! They did nothing to protect their young daughters from that monster son of theirs. The decisions that they made were deceitful and just plain wrong.
Don't you think she did this to be KIND? Anna has been hurt terribly and she is showing some respect to her aunt and uncle. She has been in their lives her entire life. She has benifited from the show. She did nothing wrong and actually showed good manners recognizing those in her family who are suffering.
I think it was sweet.
JR
P.J. said... 189
Jacob Roloff is flexing his muscles. Go Jacob.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/little-people-big-world-family-feud-jacob-roloff-calls-child-star-contract-reform/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=LittlePeopleBigDrama
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That sums up the Gosselins to a T
"Don't you think she did this to be KIND? Anna has been hurt terribly and she is showing some respect to her aunt and uncle. She has been in their lives her entire life. She has benifited from the show. She did nothing wrong and actually showed good manners recognizing those in her family who are suffering.
I think it was sweet."
It would have been even sweeter, if she hadn't announced it to the world after she did it.
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Then Amy is quoted as saying that she gave Anna a certificate for a mani-pedi and a certificate to her favorite restaurant so Anna and JIM BOB CAN HAVE A REALLY SWEET DATE NIGHT!!!
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You screwed that up, again. You misread the article. She gave the gift card to Michelle, to her favorite restaurant, so that she could have a date night with Jim Bob.
Read, think, think again.
JR
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Okay, JR, if you'd read all the comments, you'd know that the error was pointed out and corrected yesterday. It's all good.
BTW, the gift certificates weren't from ANNA, they were from AMY to her aunt and uncle.
So, read, think and think again.
Watched the Hamill family on the LPBW show the other night. All I could think of was Michelle, aka, the other Kate, wondering when she would get her customized kitchen too. You can SEE the envy on Michelle Hamil's face. Those little children were like puppets. It wasn't cute. It was actually hard to watch. Just like Jacob said, you can tell the kids were being fed lines, there was nothing organic about that episode. But Jacob WAS there, with his girlfriend. Weather he was very active in the episode or not, he is over 18, likely expecting to be paid. He made a conscience choice to keep filming after age 18. I think he defintly is angling for his share, but I am confused about his actions. Does he want to film not that he is over 18? Or does he just want his share from his childhood?
My sense is that this blog is about child advocacy, as well as numerous OT subjects. I don't recall it being about love.
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When one is concerned about child advocacy, isn't it all about love for children?
What I like about Jacob's statement is that the sheeple can't serve him (and us...) their good old: "if you were offered all of those things, you would say yes also." He WAS offered all that and, still, he says that he would have prefer a real family life without all the perks.
My apologies for my comments. Attack me all you want, but I have a problem with attacks on other posters.
Blowinnng in The Wind @ #8 - Absolutely, being concered about children spells love.
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When one is concerned about child advocacy, isn't it all about love for children? 9
Love and concern for CHILDREN, of course.
I don't see how that applies to adult bigots who impose their beliefs on others while breaking the law they were sworn to uphold.
While I personally believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, I would never impose my views on a same-sex couple being married and denying them the same rights that a man and woman have.
Years ago nobody ever would have believed that marriage beween gays and lesbians would be legal in this country, but it happened. What concerns me is where the line is drawn. In the decades to come, if others claim discrimination, will marriage between first cousins, or even brothers and sisters be legal? Will they claim that if same-sex marriage is legal, and those couples have the right to happiness (they are not infringing on the rights of others) and according to the law should have the same rights as others) will it go as far as the Supreme Court? Where are the boundaries? Those who interpret the Bible literally point to the scriptures in which homosexuality is forbidden. Likewise, incest also is described as immoral. Since church and state is separate and religion shouldn't enter into the law of the land, will marriage between brothers and sisters, cousins, be legalized.? How does the law justify same sex marriage while others such as those may be discriminated against?
Based on the recent Supreme Court ruling, never say never. It could happen somewhere way down the road.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/09/10/justin-bieber-and-tilda-swinton-switched-at-birth-just-sayin/?adid=hero2
Perhaps in an effort to divorce himself from his Kate Gosselin-coiffed doppelganger meme, The Biebs has rebranded his lid similarly to someone much, much cooler.
Tilda Swinton.
Bieber probably went straight from the awards show to his hairdresser and said, "Do something! Anything to make the Kate Gosselin meme go away! The woman thinks she knows me and I'm giving her another minute of relevance!"
Love and concern for CHILDREN, of course.
I don't see how that applies to adult bigots who impose their beliefs on others while breaking the law they were sworn to uphold.
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I'm confused. Someone posted that this blog is about child advocacy but they don't recall this blog being about love, to which I responded that child advocacy is all about love. It had nothing to do with being a bigot or imposing their own views on someone else.
White Organza (#9), I think you made an excellent point. Here's
an actual kid who lived through the life of reality stardom, and is
saying it was miserable. How can someone refute his feelings?
They're his, based on his own experiences.
Serendipity said... 12
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I can't say that I haven't wondered the same things, and we don't know the future and what it will bring.
What I do know is that at least for me, the slippery slope argument doesn't cut it for me as far as gays and lesbians marrying.
I'm betting many used the same argument when interracial marriage was allowed.
I'm taking it one step at a time.
Now that's weird. What happened to the folks living in Washington State? ;)
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LOL! Fleecing, we've had all the love we can handle this summer here in Washington state. ;-)
Get medicated........
It had nothing to do with being a bigot or imposing their own views on someone else. 14
Blowing, I was agreeing with you. I thought that the original comment was aimed at more than children
FlimsyFlamsy said... 15
White Organza (#9), I think you made an excellent point. Here's
an actual kid who lived through the life of reality stardom, and is
saying it was miserable. How can someone refute his feelings?
They're his, based on his own experiences.
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In the comment section of these articles, people are calling him a spoiled brat and he should be thanking his lucky stars, yada, yada, yada. He's 18 and he's appalled that people don't see it. Yup, we hear you, Jacob. I saw the show where he and Mike were nearly killed. There should have been an investigation. This was a workplace. Someone should have faced a hefty fine and perhaps criminal charges. Instead, we treat kids like zoo animals. It's sad reading the comments. I really hope he contacts AMC.
It had nothing to do with being a bigot or imposing their own views on someone else. 14
Blowing, I was agreeing with you. I thought that the original comment was aimed at more than children
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LOL!! Heck, I don't know anymore what it was! I guess if I don't know, I should just keep quiet, huh? :)
What I do know is that at least for me, the slippery slope argument doesn't cut it for me as far as gays and lesbians marrying. 16
I agree. My church says marriage is between a man and a woman. My state legalized same sex marriage several years ago. Two separate things.
I'm guessing the next issue will be polygamy, btw.
In the comment section of these articles, people are calling him a spoiled brat and he should be thanking his lucky stars, yada, yada, yada.
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I can't believe how harsh the comments are! I haven't seen an episode-only clips here and there-but I don't think he deserves to have his feeling and first-hand experiences invalidated.
Can't the parents see that their "fans" are the ones turning on their child like this?
The Oath Keepers, the anti-government “Patriot” group that mounted an armed standoff with the Bureau of Land Management at the Bundy Ranch, stationed armed guards outside of military recruitment centers after the Chattanooga shooting, and unsettled Ferguson protestors when they showed up carrying assault rifles, is now offering anti-gay Kentucky clerk Kim Davis a “security detail” to protect her from further arrest if she continues to defy the Supreme Court’s marriage equality ruling.
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes announced yesterday that he had reached out to Davis’ lawyers at Liberty Counsel to offer the protection of his group, which he says is already forming a presence in Rowan County, Kentucky, where Davis was recently released from jail after prohibiting her office from issuing marriage licenses. Rhodes said in a statement that his position has nothing to do with gay marriage, but rather his conviction that Davis had been illegally detained by the federal judge who held her in contempt for violating multiple court orders.
In a phone call with Jackson County, Kentucky, Sheriff Denny Peyman and other local Oath Keepers activists, Rhodes said that he was on his way to Kentucky to help with the Davis operation. Although the group had originally intended to picket outside the home of the judge who held Davis in contempt, he said, they had changed their plan when she was released on Tuesday.
Rhodes said that the Rowan County sheriff should have blocked U.S. Marshals from detaining Davis, but since neither the sheriff nor the state’s governor will do their “job” and “intercede” on behalf of Davis, the Oath Keepers will have to do it instead. “As far as we’re concerned, this is not over,” he said, “and this judge needs to be put on notice that his behavior is not going to be accepted and we’ll be there to stop it and intercede ourselves if we have to. If the sheriff, who should be interceding, is not going to do his job and the governor is not going to do the governor’s job of interceding, then we’ll do it.”
- See more at: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/oath-keepers-send-armed-guards-protect-kim-davis-us-marshals#sthash.ZioQNMFb.dpuf
Mat Staver, head of Liberty Counsel has said these things about gays:
Labels gays demonic.
Defends bans on homosexuality.
Compares gays to terrorists.
Gays will force us to be gay.
Gays are child molesters.
Gay rights supporters need to be voted out of office.
Gay marriage will cause a crime wave.
Banks that have supported gay marriage failed.
Gay marriage will destroy civilization.
Will wage war to fight gay marriage.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ten-horrific-things-kim-davis-attorney-has-said-about-gay-people
Serendipity said: What concerns me is where the line is drawn.
Change is always rather scary, but the slippery slope doesn't have to be that scary and it should not influence law today because of the real or imagined outcome of what might happen later. None of us can predict the future to any accurate degree.
The same fear, even stronger, was voiced when the first equal rights was enforced. Some groups of people voiced great fear.
We need, IMHO, to really support critical thinking in all areas of learning and thinking. We need to lean on reason and reflection and not just make decisions when our emotions are triggered by what we see and hear, especially what is put out by the media, without checking the sources and searching for the truth.
Some may be surprised to find that right now there are states where the marriage between cousins is not illegal. We now have ways to do genetic testing so that couples may be informed about the risk of birth defects and make informed decisions. Other than that I don't know the reason for the ban on cousins marrying. (I know that some of my friends were convinced that their cousins all had cooties so that's a reason for them) Of course several religions may have it as a taboo but followers of those religions would never be made to marry their cousin.
Those who believe in the literal interpretation of the Bible will always be able to practice their beliefs, they just may not be able to make those of other beliefs practice them, nor be able to make laws to reflect them.
I am sure that is what everyone wants because unless that is protected then as perhaps a different religion becomes the majority then Christian fundamentalists will lose their religious freedom.
As long as we fight for equal rights, we will continue to grow and be successful as a nation. And I think we will become a less bias and more contented modern society.
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/oath-keepers-send-armed-guards-protect-kim-davis-us-marshals#sthash.ZioQNMFb.dpuf
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Jeez, scary stuff. What Davis evokes in some of us is NOTHING compared to these militia wannabes.
This isn't a thinly-veiled threat. It's a threat.
There's no doubt that Davis understands that if she refuses to give out, or interferes with the issuance of licenses, these crazed people are going to hurt or kill someone.
TLC stinks said... 24
The Oath Keepers, the anti-government “Patriot” group that mounted an armed standoff with the Bureau of Land Management at the Bundy Ranch, stationed armed guards outside of military recruitment centers after the Chattanooga shooting, and unsettled Ferguson protestors when they showed up carrying assault rifles, is now offering anti-gay Kentucky clerk Kim Davis a “security detail” ..
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OMG. Okay, this is getting downright scary. I hope KD's attorneys tell them thanks, but no thanks.
This isn't a thinly-veiled threat. It's a threat.
There's no doubt that Davis understands that if she refuses to give out, or interferes with the issuance of licenses, these crazed people are going to hurt or kill someone. 27
I wonder how far Kim's zealotry will go.
The comparison to those who are concerned with and defend the rights of children is not a fair one. Children are not old enough to speak for themselves or defend their own rights. Adults have to do it for them. Adults attacking other adults is not the same thing.
By that logic, anyone who works for or supports children's rights, is doing something wrong because they shouldn't "judge" someone who seeks to hurt, exploit or abuse a child. That couldn't be more of an unfair comparison.
From an article about the Oathkeepers stating that they were going to protect Kim Davis from being arrested again.
“Now we see the rise of an imperial judiciary that not only legislates from the bench but is attempting to expand their ‘contempt’ power to likewise swallow up our Bill of Rights and circumvent jury trial,” Rhodes wrote. “Both methods are used to allow the powerful office holder to merely point his finger and have his opponent thrown behind bars without a grand jury indictment and without being found guilty by a jury of their peers. No innocent until proven guilty before a jury. Just ‘guilty’ because the leader says so. That is a dictatorship, whether done by a president or by a judge.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/oath-keepers-vow-to-defend-oath-breaking-kim-davis-with-guns-from-dictator-judge/comments/
These crazies have no idea what contempt of court actually is. They expected her to be indicted by a grand jury and get a jury trial?
From the same article:
"Contempt of court is not a criminal charge or civil complaint that results in a jury trial or hearings. It’s punishment for dismissing court authority, disobeying court orders or impeding the ability of the court to perform its function, according to Law.com. Contempt is determined by the judge overseeing the case. Fines or brief jail time are common sanctions."
I blame a lot of this misunderstanding on Huckabee. He was the one who was raving about Davis being jailed without bail, without due process, etc. If anyone gets hurt because of this, I will hold him partially to blame.
I'm watching Dr. Phil's show today on Bill Cosby. A handful of his accusers, including one who's alleged assault is still within the sol, are on the show.
So far, these women come across as totally believable. When they retell their stories of assault, it's palpable.
Rhymes with Witch said... 12
When one is concerned about child advocacy, isn't it all about love for children? 9
Love and concern for CHILDREN, of course.
I don't see how that applies to adult bigots who impose their beliefs on others while breaking the law they were sworn to uphold.
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Rhymes With Witch, I absolutely agree with you and couldn't have said it better.
This whole discussion about love (in the sense of love thy neighbor) start with Wowsers's comment at 7:09 this morning. I can't copy it because it is on another page, but basically she said we shouldn't be mean to Kim Davis because we claim to be a blog based on love.
I think her reasoning goes:
child advocacy -> love children -> love everyone -> be nice to everyone
Rhymes has just pointed out the fallacy of the jump between loves children and loves everyone. I don't even necessarily believe in the first link; one can advocate for children without loving every single child you encounter. And Evangelical Christians certainly don't appear to believe in the last link: for claiming to love everyone, they can be pretty nasty and judgmental (but all for the good of person they're judging, of course).
Serendipity said...
Years ago nobody ever would have believed that marriage beween gays and lesbians would be legal in this country, but it happened. What concerns me is where the line is drawn. In the decades to come, if others claim discrimination, will marriage between first cousins, or even brothers and sisters be legal? Will they claim that if same-sex marriage is legal, and those couples have the right to happiness (they are not infringing on the rights of others) and according to the law should have the same rights as others) will it go as far as the Supreme Court? Where are the boundaries?
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I just really don't think that it is the right thing to suppress rights from one category of people just because another category of people will want the same rights. Back in the days of the Loving SCOTUS decision, would it have been the right thing to do to prevent interracial marriage because it might pave the way for gay marriage?
As some of our Canadian posters have said, gay marriage has been legal in Canada for 10 years. Is polygamy and marriage between siblings legal?
As some of our Canadian posters have said, gay marriage has been legal in Canada for 10 years. Is polygamy and marriage between siblings legal?
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I agree with Serendipity. Just because it's not legal now doesn't mean in the future that it will not be. We do not know, and I can understand what she was saying because I have wondered the same thing. If some cry loudly enough that they are being discriminated against, how long will it take for some new legislation to go into effect that marriage between anyone is legal? We cannot predict that it won't happen here based on the fact that same sex marriage in Canada has been legal for a decade and SO FAR no other group has complained about discrimination. Conversely, we cannot predict that it will happen.
Serendipity never said that it's acceptable to deny rights because it might cause another group to want the same rights. If I understand her comments, she was simply asking a question that if one group wants rights, how long before another one wants the same rights. It's a fair question.
I think her reasoning goes:
child advocacy -> love children -> love everyone -> be nice to everyone
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Even Kate? ;)
I blame a lot of this misunderstanding on Huckabee. He was the one who was raving about Davis being jailed without bail, without due process, etc. If anyone gets hurt because of this, I will hold him partially to blame.
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I'm a pretty far right conservative when it comes to politics, and even I can't stomach the guy. He has some screws loose somewhere.
Did he ever make any comments on the Duggar AM account? For that matter, has Kelly ever spoken out? I haven't been following either one of them.
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This isn't a thinly-veiled threat. It's a threat.
There's no doubt that Davis understands that if she refuses to give out, or interferes with the issuance of licenses, these crazed people are going to hurt or kill someone. 27
I wonder how far Kim's zealotry will go.
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Maybe until one of them hijacks a plane and flies it into a building or two.
Kim Davis doesn't realize it, but her shenanigans have back fired, big time. In discriminating against gays, she has caused many who have to this point been nonchalant about same sex marriage/discrimination to come out and support the rights of gays. She's called so much attention to it that she's done a favor for those who have a right to same-sex marriage. Talk about putting the proverbial foot in the mouth.
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Just because it's not legal now doesn't mean in the future that it will not be.
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And what if it is? I'm not being snarky, I want to know what people think will happen?
Maybe until one of them hijacks a plane and flies it into a building or two.
September 10, 2015 at 2:36 PM
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Too far.
Please note the date of your post.
Thanks, P.J.!
redbird
I still stand by my thoughts about Jim Bob and Michelle getting a gift certificate to their favorite restaurant so they could have a fun date night. They don't deserve it. They protected a monster and did many things to cover it up for years. It was very sweet of Amy to give Anna the medi-pedi. She deserves it. She is going through a dark time and hopefully the light will shine soon.
But Jim Bob and Michelle? Nope.
Bieb's hair is still monopolizing Kate's TL. Isn't it about time to give it a rest? Geez...
Kate, call off the bots. We get it. You know him, but we're not impressed.
Here is an amazing article about being "politically correct".
http://www.vox.com/2015/8/10/9118339/political-correctness-respect
rainbowsandunicorns said... 36
I think her reasoning goes:
child advocacy -> love children -> love everyone -> be nice to everyone
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Even Kate? ;)
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Clearly not, and posters here never have been.
Here is Wowser's comment that started the discussion:
Wowser said... 179
I'm really disappointed in the comments here...for all the LOVE we are suppose to be displaying, there sure are a lot of hateful comments about this woman from what she wears to you name it.......there is NO ONE without sin.......so be careful with the stone throwing
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I don't know what blog Wowser has been reading, but it isn't the one I'm familiar with. I don't pretend to be either without sin or full of love for my fellow man, and I haven't seen many (any?) posters claim to be.
Hey, redbird, come over here and sit next to me. I love your passion. If ya can't get all het up once in a while, well, what's this world a comin' to. ;)
Yup I am fully aware tomorrow is 9-11. I have many friends and family that were in the buildings and the pentagon. A few high schools friends knew people on the planes. My best friends mother lost 17 co-workers.
Too far is exactly my point. These people, supporters or fundamentalists acting under the guise of "religion" are all the same whether the religion is Islam or Chrisianity or whatever and they will not be happy until their way is the only way.
Lauren @ljohnson2006 7h7 hours ago
Hey @TLC: Will we be seeing @Kateplusmy8 and her brood soon? Please give them another special... Or better yet a weekly show
Hey, Lauren, you idiot. When should they be doing this filming for a weekly show? The kids are in school full time. The twins are in high school and cannot be pulled out of class without academic consequences. Should they be required to give up their weekends to have the crap filmed out of them to support the family? Should they be pulled away from their time with their father to do this?
Of all the sheeple, I think this one wins the prize for being the most stupid along with the worst hypocrite of all of them.
I'm really disappointed in the comments here...for all the LOVE we are suppose to be displaying, there sure are a lot of hateful comments about this woman from what she wears to you name it.......there is NO ONE without sin.......so be careful with the stone throwing
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So the posters here should show nothing but love for Kate because if some comment about her exploiting her kids, her lies, her greed, then we're throwing stones because we are not without sin ourselves? Is that what this poster is warning to be careful about?
And what if it is? I'm not being snarky, I want to know what people think will happen?
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What if marriage between cousins or brother and sister is legalized? Is that what you are asking? Well, for one thing...genetics.
Sorry if that''s not what you meant. I'm having trouble following all of this. I blame too many Bloody Marys.
Thank you, P.J. and for the invite!
Bringing the popcorn and orange cream sodas!
I've read the articles and the comments about the missionary Duggars and their vacations and that some people are really miffed for having donated. I guess they now realize that they were being scammed. I wonder, though, why there wasn't any outrage at the time from all of the parishioners who put money into the love offering baskets when the Gosselins were purchasing the million dollar house. As far as I know, nobody questioned where that money went. There wasn't any media attention at the time and the recipients laughed all the way to the bank. Interesting how Kate gets away with so much and never looks back.
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And what if it is? I'm not being snarky, I want to know what people think will happen?
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What if marriage between cousins or brother and sister is legalized? Is that what you are asking? Well, for one thing...genetics.
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TLC will jump on it.
"Breaking Inbred"
These people, supporters or fundamentalists acting under the guise of "religion" are all the same whether the religion is Islam or Chrisianity or whatever and they will not be happy until their way is the only way.
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Agree and I get your gist. Sorry for the knee-jerk reaction ;-)
Fundamentalism in any form or religion is dangerous.
I don't recall Huckabee years ago being as radical as he is now. Maybe I just did not pay attention to him. Well, I am now and he is one scary dude.
What if marriage between cousins or brother and sister is legalized? Is that what you are asking? Well, for one thing...genetics.
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TLC will jump on it.
"Breaking Inbred"
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Kate Plus 8 Toes
TLC will jump on it.
"Breaking Inbred"
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First episode, "My dad, my uncle."
Lanc Native said... 48
Lauren @ljohnson2006 7h7 hours ago
Hey @TLC: Will we be seeing @Kateplusmy8 and her brood soon? Please give them another special... Or better yet a weekly show
Hey, Lauren, you idiot. When should they be doing this filming for a weekly show? The kids are in school full time. The twins are in high school and cannot be pulled out of class without academic consequences.
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Seriously, do these fans stop and think about how intensive filming each 22 minute show is?
OT for a minute. So Anna's sister married the AIT administrator? Anna will never be able to leave the cult.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/duggars-bill-gothard-iblp
Ex Nurse said... 34
As some of our Canadian posters have said, gay marriage has been legal in Canada for 10 years. Is polygamy and marriage between siblings legal?
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http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/M-2.1/page-1.html
"Fundamentalism in any form or religion is dangerous." (54)...
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Fundamentalism is the practice of strictly adhering to the basic principles of any discipline. Therefore, weren't the writers of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution "fundamentalists" because they passionately upheld the principles in which they believed? Are patriotic Americans also fundamentalists?
Not sure if this has been posted. Interesting article about the Duggars and their ties to Gothard.
"“Gothard was revered as this person who could not mess up, almost like a saint or a god.”
"Inside The Duggars' Deep Ties With A Once-Powerful, Now-Scorned Ministry"
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/duggars-bill-gothard-iblp
TLC stinks said... 55
I don't recall Huckabee years ago being as radical as he is now. Maybe I just did not pay attention to him. Well, I am now and he is one scary dude.
September 10, 2015 at 5:25 PM
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Same here. I seem to recall watching him on his show and he seemed almost like a cool guy, jamming on his guitar.
He seems to have gone 'round the bend.
The difference between gay marriage and marriage to many spouses at once or to a sibling or to a dog, is that anti-gay marriage is based on one man's molarity and the Bible. The opposition to the others is based on logic, science, and other tangible, non-secular things. Saying that gay marriage will lead to other things is like saying that banning killing or torturing dogs and cats will lead to banning of killing ants when you step on them.
Besides if incest is suddenly legal where does that leave V.C. Andrews. A lot less creepy that's for sure.
Oh my gosh. Dr. Drew is devoting the whole hour to Donald Trump. And Omarosa is on giving her opinion.
Where's the remote?
Oh my gosh. Dr. Drew is devoting the whole hour to Donald Trump. And Omarosa is on giving her opinion.
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I have to hand it to Omarosa. She's leveraging this to get a few appearances now and again. She'll do this until the election is over. Kate isn't smart enough to think of that.
Midnight Madness said... 52
I've read the articles and the comments about the missionary Duggars and their vacations and that some people are really miffed for having donated. I guess they now realize that they were being scammed.
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People are certainly questioning how many times they are flying home from their "mission post".
I question whether the mission itself has much to do with or much benefits the people of the country being visited. It seems like they are living in a compound with other "missionaries" and mostly interacting with each other. Kind of like summer camp or Club Med with a religious flavor.
I once met one of these groups of teen-aged "missionaries" trekking in a third-world country. The only differences between them and the other trekkers was that they were more organized and better chaperoned.
Why should these people expect others to pay for their camp / adventure trip / resort vacation when it is primarily for THEIR benefit? Le them pay for their own vacations like other people do.
“It is so they and their kids can have ‘good’ lives, full of fun trips and easy ‘work'; but what I’m saying is money and fame and trips and a ‘good life’ are being traded for authenticity, genuine family time, and shaping the life of a young kid and, more often than not, in a bad way,” he posted. “IM saying, childhood stardom needs to be thought out waaaay more.”
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Well said. Jacob's very young and taking on an issue this big at his age is difficult. Sometimes he does sound spoiled, and sometimes he flies off the handle. He's a teenager. That's what they do because they don't have the maturity and life experience yet to understand how to take on something this big and to behave strategically. He will alienate some people when he flies off the handle but he has a lot of support too.
He's doing the best he can to express himself and explain why reality TV was so bad for him. Considering his age, he's not bad, and he'll get better at the PR. This is not the last we've heard from him. He needs to be specific about what the issues are, he needs to keep his cool, he needs to be reasonable. If he can master that he could be a real asset to reality tv children.
Seriously, do these fans stop and think about how intensive filming each 22 minute show is?
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I don't think that some of them have the intellectual capacity to think about those things, especially not that one sheeple.
Some of the posters are making comments about legalizing marriage between cousins. According to NCSL (National Conference of State Legislatures), marriage between cousins is prohibited in only 25 states. Here is the list http://www.ncsl.org/research/human-services/state-laws-regarding-marriages-between-first-cousi.aspx
It's true marriage between cousins is legal in many states. The world still hasn't ended. The latest science suggests there is very low genetic risk for children of cousins. That being the case there really isn't much reason to prohibit marriage. Allowing it is supported by science, which is good policy. The "ick" factor is really for those who are in the relationship to grapple with, not some stranger.
When I think of Kim's brand of religion I think of folks unwilling to listen and be open to other people and ideas. I don't really think that embodies the Founding Fathers. In fact, they were students of a variety of ideas and ways to create a government. There was no one more open to other ideas than them. If Kim were a fraction as open-minded as they were we wouldn't be in this mess.
Come to think of it now, when Jill Duggar went to Nepal to meet Derick (for the FIRST TIME!), he was on a missionary trip there. I don't remember him taking Jill and Jim Bob to join in the work or meet anyone at the headquarters or in the field. I might have missed it. I remember them eating out, walking around, trying on clothes, but nothing mission related. I clearly remember asking what his work was over there.
The missionaries I knew personally worked long hours and would invite any guests to join in the work (or even just be physically present) for a reasonable time. To them it was a full time job with short breaks only. And they certainly didn't make multiple trips back to the States, even for family events. Their families knew they were committed to their mission and put no pressure on them to come home for anything.
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TLC stinks said... 55
I don't recall Huckabee years ago being as radical as he is now. Maybe I just did not pay attention to him. Well, I am now and he is one scary dude.
September 10, 2015 at 5:25 PM
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Same here. I seem to recall watching him on his show and he seemed almost like a cool guy, jamming on his guitar.
He seems to have gone 'round the bend.
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I have an Aunt who used to be a Democrat but now watches Fox News and hates Obama. I posted something on Facebook...a meme that thanked Jewish mailman for delivering Christmas cards without crying about religous liberties, and she "liked" it. I was surprised because when I went to Huckabees page when he supported Josh, it listed her as one of my bv friends who "liked" Huckabee.
I have an Aunt who used to be a Democrat but now watches Fox News and hates Obama. I posted something on Facebook...a meme that thanked Jewish mailman for delivering Christmas cards without crying about religous liberties, and she "liked" it.
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Huckabee's sort are fiercely supportive of Israel and the Jewish people. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But that explains that.
I know what's pissing off some of the Duggar fans about the three return journeys home to visit.
A lot of the fans surely have done similar mission trips and probably couldn't afford to go home for a visit once let alone three times. That's part of the deal with such mission trips, you give UP things, like seeing your family.
And, money spent going home could have been spent on those you were helping.
The Duggars are quickly outing themselves as not as dedicated to these causes as they would like people to believe. Now that they are under stricter scrutiny, the fans aren't buying it. No more benefit of the doubt.
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And what if it is? I'm not being snarky, I want to know what people think will happen?
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What if marriage between cousins or brother and sister is legalized? Is that what you are asking? Well, for one thing...genetics.
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Hey, not all married people plan on having children. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. (probably not a good thing to call it in this instance) So, after that "one thing", what else?
I know 1st cousins who are married. There is genetic testing to make sure having children will be okay.
Ancient Egyptian Pharoahs often married siblings. Ancient Greeks openly practiced homosexuality. It seems to me that somewhere along the way, society drew the line in the sand. I am in no way endorsing incest, I'm just trying to understand what people think will happen. It looks to me like the line in the sand was drawn by Christianity? I'm sure there are better historians here than me.
I'm not explaining myself very well and I'm quite okay with dropping the subject.
It's true marriage between cousins is legal in many states.
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It's a wash. It's illegal in 25 states. It's also been found that the fertility rate is high in cousins who marry. Are Boobers and Babytalk related?
Hey, not all married people plan on having children. I'm just playing devil's advocate here. (probably not a good thing to call it in this instance) So, after that "one thing", what else?
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Aside from the states that allow cousins marriage without restrictions, several states actually allow cousins as long as you are too old to have children or have a certificate you are infertile. The big concern with incest really is reproduction, however I think there is an concern with very close relatives like parents or siblings that there is some sort of undue influence going on, someone with the upper hand. It's too ripe for abuse, so it makes good sense to ban such relationships. Not the case with cousins who probably never lived together. For them, if reproduction is not to take place or is not dangerous, there are no excuses left. Which is why several states allow it as long as reproduction is not to happen. It's logical, and laws should be logical.
I don't think very many people who are siblings are even cousins really WANT to get married, so there isn't this huge outcry from a group of people demanding their rights. It's several one-off situations and just not that common.
We're talking about a huge group of disenfranchised people who identify as gay. Far more than those who would seek out incest. And, if you want to marry your brother or sister and can't, you can always move on and fall in love with someone else. But no one is saying that gay person can't marry that one specific person but can marry others. They're saying, you can't get married at all. To anyone of an entire gender. Huge difference.
"Treat people here like how you would talk to the person you most respect in your life" is the rule.
One, Kim isn't on this blog and two, I haven't any respect for her.
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Exactly. That rule I wrote is in direct reference to how we talk to each OTHER on the blog. It doesn't apply when we're discussing people who have decided to be public figures and who don't hang out here.
According to a post by Derrick Dillard on his website, he and Jill are staying in the States for a month before they go back to Central America.
Here are a few excerpts from that post:
"Jill, Israel, and I recently arrived back in the States for a planned, month long trip to take care of some things and enjoy time with family and friends while we’re here, before heading back to Central America. As many of you know, Jill and I have been in language school for the past month, and we are encouraged by the opportunities we have had to share the hope of the Gospel with our teachers and for the relationships we have built while studying at the school.
And Jill has been doubling up in the study department, as she has also been studying for her upcoming midwifery test to become a certified professional midwife! As it should be in all Christian’s lives, she is using this skill as a means to an end, and that end being the spread of the message of the greatest love story ever told, that is, the work of Jesus Christ"
"As part of our process to move down to Central America, we recently finished moving the last of our stuff out of our house in Rogers. I can say from first hand experience, that the saying “many hands make light work” is very true. My brothers and sisters-in-law made it possible for Jill and I to move our stuff in the matter of a couple days. We have also gotten to spend some good quality time with my mom and brother. Our current plan is to continue in language school once we return to Central America."
http://www.dillardfamily.com/index.cfm?p=blog&id=df5d4caf-bc87-4e26-8f4b-807ae6953100
So Jill's been studying language and also studying to become a midwife. They're here for a month, and then will go back to Central America and continue with their language studies.
When are they doing any actual ministering? And why did they pack up the things in their house?
Also, what does being a midwife have to do with spreading the word of Jesus?
Yeah he did that a lot. It makes me wonder if the women he says that to aren't thinking "hey have you even heard a word I've been saying?'. Most of the time though they're flattered. It seems to stop them in their tracks.
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It's kind of annoying how no one ever gives him so much as a raised eyebrow when he makes these constant comments about their looks.
He will also interrupt to make comments like wow isn't she smart, isn't she great? As if it's just so amazing to find a woman like that.
It's blatantly sexist, and all the women just take it. It almost feels like they have some kind of agreement not to get into it with Trump when he's being Trump.
And Jill has been doubling up in the study department, as she has also been studying for her upcoming midwifery test to become a certified professional midwife! As it should be in all Christian’s lives, she is using this skill as a means to an end, and that end being the spread of the message of the greatest love story ever told, that is, the work of Jesus Christ"
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Wow. That's going to be interesting. How will that work? Is Jill going to pull out her Bible and preach the gospel when a woman in hard labor is biting everybody's head off and the baby's heartbeat is dropping? You have a lot of responsibilities as a midwife. It's hard to imagine where a sermon is going to fit in there.
“Both methods are used to allow the powerful office holder to merely point his finger and have his opponent thrown behind bars without a grand jury indictment and without being found guilty by a jury of their peers.
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But that's how contempt works. There aren't juries. Contempt is about enforcing orders already made, often ones you already had a jury for or in Kim's case, voluntarily signed up for. If there were juries for contempt, lawyers and judges would never get home to their families at the end of the day. It would bog down the system like crazy. Don't like it go change the law.
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It's a wash. It's illegal in 25 states. It's also been found that the fertility rate is high in cousins who marry. Are Boobers and Babytalk related?
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Maybe they just eat a lot of yams?
There have been many unique genetic disorders among the Mennonites and Amish, who do not forbid inbreeding, particularly between first and second cousins. There are local clinics set up here to treat and study these diseases and genetic abnormalities. It's more prevalent than one may think.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/amish-gene-mutation-mental-retardation-developmental-delay-445578
jacobroloff45@xxxxxx I saw the way he was even when the cameras were on him, not in private, and I can't believe more people don't see it. The producer just asks him to do things and say things, and provokes other people to ask him things,
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Having watched the crossover episode, I agree with Jake.
A lot of times the scenes were clearly staged. The kids were made to sit or stand somewhere and throw out a one-liner. It was obvious it was scripted by the quick cuts and obvious staging. It was done cutely in a pipsqueak little person voice, because they're like 7 and 2 and little. It's adorable, of course it is, but it's wrong.
I think the kids are mugging. Probably to just get it over with. I just can't imagine it's enjoyable. It looks tedious.
I've never seen something resemble what was done to the Olsen twins more than those poor Hamil kids.
There have been many unique genetic disorders among the Mennonites and Amish, who do not forbid inbreeding, particularly between first and second cousins. There are local clinics set up here to treat and study these diseases and genetic abnormalities. It's more prevalent than one may think.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/amish-gene-mutation-mental-retardation-developmental-delay-445578
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That consistently happens across isolated populations. The problem is not so much that you marry your cousin but rather that your cousin, school teacher and mailmen all have very similar copies of genes. The only way to prevent that is to encourage people to breed outside their small communities and create more diversity, and that seems wrong.
Still, random cousins pairing up, assuming they are not already from a very limited gene pool like small Amish communities, carries no more of a risk than having a baby over 40, or having a few glasses of wine or some sushi during pregnancy, or other things that lots of people do that up your risk ever so slightly. We don't ban older women from having babies. If we're going to ban cousins we might as well ban many other behaviors that slightly increase your risk of having a baby with issues.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/theres-nothing-wrong-with-cousins-getting-married-scientists-say-1210072.html
Donald Trump called into the Greta Van Susteren Fox show, On The Record, tonight. She told him that she was upset by his remarks about Carly Fiorina and in general about women.
Trump gave the same excuse he's used all day that he was talking about her "persona". She pressed him some more about other remarks he has made about women, and he said he's usually the one who is attacked first, and he feels he has to respond. Then he goes on to say:
"Many of those remarks are made as an entertainer because I did The Apprentice. It was one of the top shows on television. I decided not to do it again because I wanted to run for President, but some comments are made as an entertainer and as everybody said as an entertainer it's a much different ballgame."
WTF? Is he running for President or trying to become the next Don Rickles?
Does he suffer from multiple personality disorder and whenever he makes crass remarks about women "the entertainer" side of him appears?
I've heard about "the devil made me do it" excuse, but "the entertainer made me do it" is definitely a new one.
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Come to think of it now, when Jill Duggar went to Nepal to meet Derick (for the FIRST TIME!), he was on a missionary trip there. I don't remember him taking Jill and Jim Bob to join in the work or meet anyone at the headquarters or in the field. I might have missed it. I remember them eating out, walking around, trying on clothes, but nothing mission related. I clearly remember asking what his work was over there.
The missionaries I knew personally worked long hours and would invite any guests to join in the work (or even just be physically present) for a reasonable time. To them it was a full time job with short breaks only. And they certainly didn't make multiple trips back to the States, even for family events. Their families knew they were committed to their mission and put no pressure on them to come home for anything.
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I'm glad you posted. I didn't mean to imply that all mission work is primarily for the benefit of the missionaries, rather than to help others.
But from the pictures that the Dillards have posted, plus the posts up-thread, this certainly seems to be the case for the them. I could perhaps understand going to central America to do language immersion in Spanish. But it seems that they have gone to take language classes with people like themselves, from people like themselves, so they can build relationships with people like themselves. People do this sort of thing all the time, and there's nothing inherently wrong with it, but it's a bit much to pretend they're doing great "work" and expect others to support them.
I'm really glad they didn't go to Nepal. It need real aid, not Duggar-dilletantes.
Forgot to add the link to Trump's interview with Greta Van Susteren, in case anyone want to hear his bloviating excuses.
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/index.html#/v/4476717359001
I had an Uncle who was a true missionary in the Phillipines. He only got to come home once every 7 years. Only his airfare was paid. He had to pay for his own lodging and food while he was here.
He was also expected to fund raise while he was here. And he was expected to preach every Sunday, as well as attend other fund raising activities.
His time here wasn't spent 100% relaxing or on frivolous activities or gallivanting around to family parties. He took his fund raising responsibilities very seriously.
He was so devoted to his mission....he cared very much about those people. While he was here one time my brother introduced him to one of the Pillsbury women. She was so taken with his passion for helping his people that she agreed to fund a hospital and doctors in that town.
I remember how proud my uncle was that he was able to get his people that magnitude of help.
The missionaries I knew personally worked long hours and would invite any guests to join in the work (or even just be physically present) for a reasonable time. To them it was a full time job with short breaks only. And they certainly didn't make multiple trips back to the States, even for family events. Their families knew they were committed to their mission and put no pressure on them to come home for anything.
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The two currently doing mission work are still kids who haven't forgotten what it's like to be in the limelight and the fame from reality television/ entertainment industry is still with them. They don't know what they are doing, or what they want to do, or what their "mission" is. She'll be pregnant again before the end of the year and they'll be home permanently in no time.
Those who donated to the work of these two can kiss their money goodbye.
I believe there were several hearings and appeals before the contempt hearing. That was where the Davis camp had an opportunity to convince the courts that Kim's "rights" overruled the rights of her subordinates and the citizens of the county. She's clearly not only exercising her "freedom of religion", but is abusing her office to order the deputy clerks to act in accordance with her beliefs (what about their freedom of religion). And this was all argued out at many hearings before the judge ordered her office to start issuing marriage licenses. That's where the arguments were made.
The only defense at the contempt hearing is "but I did follow your orders". Other than that, there's nothing for the judge to do but decide on the penalty.
It's as if, after someone is found guilty of a crime, they want to start over with another trial to decide the verdict. That's not how it's done.
Fundamentalism is the practice of strictly adhering to the basic principles of any discipline. Therefore, weren't the writers of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution "fundamentalists" because they passionately upheld the principles in which they believed? Are patriotic Americans also fundamentalists? (61)
I think that there is a big difference between being passionate about what you believe in and refusing to evolve with your times.
I'm Canadian, granted, but the way I see it is that the writers of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution were actually "modernists" as oppose to "fundamentalists" since they rejected the set ways of their ancestors and created a entirely new kind of country, never seen before in the history of Humanity.
Missionaries, my patoutie.
My brother eventually became a Father after being a missionary for years, a true calling, and I have not been able to see him in years, his work takes precedence.
and he has barely any worldy goods.
Shame on the diggers. (SIC)
I think it's funny that Trump specifically said Carly's FACE, now is trying to say I didn't mean her face.
I said her face but why would you ever think I mean her face?
Lol, he is entertaining. Carly handled it well too.
Maybe Donald Trump should adopt Billy Joel's "The Entertainer" as his campaign theme song. Of course, he should check with Billy first to make sure he's allowed to.
♫♫I am the entertainer
And I know just where I stand
Another serenader
And another long-haired band
Today I am your champion
I may have won your hearts
But I know the game, you'll forget my name
I won't be here in another year
If I don't stay on the charts ♫♫
Lol, he is entertaining. Carly handled it well too.
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I think he's just playing with his candidacy to see how far he can push his antics and he's smart enough to say (some of) the things people want to hear.
Maybe his narcissism will draw his attention to something shinier than campaigning for the presidency enough to sidetrack him and he'll bow out before the rubber really meets the road.
One can hope, anyway.
Few wordly goods...that was my uncle, too. And humble beyond belief.
I think the Duggar's have been bitten by the fame and wealth bug. They love every minute of the attention.
I bet it burns Trump that Carly Fiorina got a burst of attention,
and possibly political support, based on him saying something
nasty about her. And I think that may ultimately be his undoing:
giving his uncensored opinion on everything and everyone, and
not listening to someone who might know better who's telling him
to hold his tongue. He sure puts the "candid" in "candidate."
Trump called in to an interview on CNN too. When called on his Carly remark he tried to deny it and went with the b.s. persona comment. The interviewer called him on it and asked where he referenced "persona" in his comment and Trump made a nasty remark about how the guy didn't have a very good show and his ratings were terrible. He's a bully and goes for the below the belt comments all the time.
How childish can you be? He's petulant and immature and I'm hoping he says something that he can't wiggle out of. Quite frankly, I can't believe people are giving him a pass now. Grow the eff up! I think he's making a mockery of the whole process.
I was reading somewhere that Trump appeals to ineffectual white men.
That he says all the things that they wish that *they* could say, but can't.
WTF? Is he running for President or trying to become the next Don Rickles?
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LOL! Good laugh to start the day.
Trump isn't a funny person. Like Kate, he thinks he's funny, but he's mostly trying to get a laugh at someone else's expense.
I wonder if Trump made those remarks about Carly because he's mad that he called it wrong. He had said she was not going to be a factor. Turns out, she was the only one of the bottom tier to make it to the first tier in next week's debates. So Trump called that wrong. I mean, she still has a VERY long way to go and it's unlikely she'll get there, but she's making progress instead of dropping out when he wanted her written off.
At the end of the day Trump's personality has always been very petulant. I don't think he can help himself.
I wonder if it's because Carly is a businesswoman Trump seems obsessed with her. She's in the same ballpark as him but does a lot of things better than him, and it's threatening.
Well, once again Trump's comments don't seem to be hurting him in the polls.
Today's polls say in a head to head with Hillary, it's a flat out tie.
Serendipity, in regards to your slippery slope concern. Have you read Obergefell?
In Justice Robert's dissent, he actually said exactly what you said. Wait a second, if this is okay why isn't polygamy also okay? I think he's absolutely right about that. The difference is I don't think that's a REASON to deny gay people the right to marry.
The fact that there might be a "slippery slope" that could lead to other things doesn't mean one group of people should be stopped when their rights are on the line. To me it's like, well, some day we may have to deal with that slippery slope. That will just be something we'll have to address.
"It is striking how much of the majority’s reasoning would apply with equal force to the claim of a fundamental right to plural marriage. If “[t]here is dignity in the bond between two men or two women who seek to marry and in their autonomy to make such profound choices,” ante, at 13, why would there be any less dignity in the bond be- tween three people who, in exercising their autonomy, seek to make the profound choice to marry? If a same-sex couple has the constitutional right to marry because their
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children would otherwise “suffer the stigma of knowing their families are somehow lesser,” ante, at 15, why wouldn’t the same reasoning apply to a family of three or more persons raising children? If not having the oppor- tunity to marry “serves to disrespect and subordinate” gay and lesbian couples, why wouldn’t the same “imposition of this disability,” ante, at 22, serve to disrespect and subor- dinate people who find fulfillment in polyamorous rela- tionships?"
Kim Davis doesn't realize it, but her shenanigans have back fired, big time. In discriminating against gays, she has caused many who have to this point been nonchalant about same sex marriage/discrimination to come out and support the rights of gays. She's called so much attention to it that she's done a favor for those who have a right to same-sex marriage. Talk about putting the proverbial foot in the mouth.
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Ha-ha.
That's exactly what happened.
Sometimes people need to be galvanized in order to start caring about something. I think a lot of people shrugged their shoulders over the gay marriage decision. It was kind of anti climatic. But Kim but a face to the bigotry. When people actually saw footage of nice couples just asking for what they were legally required to receive while some bigot in a jumper starting spewing about HER rights, people got interested. Really interested.
This was so poorly vetted it's laughable. They shouldn't have touched this situation with a ten foot pole.
I still think the Kim Davis story is in its death throes. There'll be a mini-flurry on Monday, and if that militant group shows up all bets are off, but I think for the most part, this is over. They really thought they'd have the whole country up in arms. I agree, this backfired on them.
In Justice Robert's dissent, he actually said exactly what you said. Wait a second, if this is okay why isn't polygamy also okay? I think he's absolutely right about that. The difference is I don't think that's a REASON to deny gay people the right to marry.
The fact that there might be a "slippery slope" that could lead to other things doesn't mean one group of people should be stopped when their rights are on the line. To me it's like, well, some day we may have to deal with that slippery slope. That will just be something we'll have to address.
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By the same token, could one argue that NO ONE should marry and join in that union if we just don't know where it will end?
The View is on live for 9/11 and they just need to pull the plug on this show! Sherri Shepard is on and someone said, Oh, your here!
She said, yes, all giddy and said, I got rid of a lot of DEAD WEIGHT and that she was dating a 28 year old flight attendant.
Does the dead weight include an innocent baby that you wanted so bad with your husband? She is an absolute....you know. Knucklehead!
By the same token, could one argue that NO ONE should marry and join in that union if we just don't know where it will end?
I've been thinking the same thing. Maybe have marriage, or unions, or whatever, be a religious thing. But civilly, nobody gets extra rights/benefits for being joined to another(s). Everyone is single.
Well, once again Trump's comments don't seem to be hurting him in the polls.
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I'm afraid too many voters are the reality tv generation and will be voting as such. They think Trump and his shenanigans would be fun to watch in the white house. Scary, scary, scary.
How childish can you be? He's petulant and immature and I'm hoping he says something that he can't wiggle out of.
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Kind of like Clinton can't wiggle out of the "It was a mistake, I'm sorry" excuse? The more she says, the deeper she digs herself in. If she can't figure out an e-mail system because she's busy with something else, then most of the comments I read are similar to Josh's "mistake" excuse. A mistake for her is using the wrong salad fork at a state dinner, or choosing the wrong shoes to wear with a pants suit. This was not simply a mistake and so many feel that they don't want her finger on a bomb button.
Maybe Donald Trump should adopt Billy Joel's "The Entertainer" as his campaign theme song. Of course, he should check with Billy first to make sure he's allowed to.
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Or, "I didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the world's been turning..."
I've been thinking the same thing. Maybe have marriage, or unions, or whatever, be a religious thing. But civilly, nobody gets extra rights/benefits for being joined to another(s). Everyone is single.
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Strangely that actually makes a lot of sense.
I wonder if it's because Carly is a businesswoman Trump seems obsessed with her. She's in the same ballpark as him but does a lot of things better than him, and it's threatening.
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I don't know too much about her, but wasn't she fired (forced to resign) as CEO of HP because of poor performance, disappointing sales, failure to designate responsibility, and falling stock prices, and generally because she just didn't deliver what was expected of her? I don't think that he has anything of which to be threatened, at least not as far as being in the same business ballpark as he is.
I don't know too much about her, but wasn't she fired (forced to resign) as CEO of HP because of poor performance, disappointing sales, failure to designate responsibility, and falling stock prices, and generally because she just didn't deliver what was expected of her? I don't think that he has anything of which to be threatened, at least not as far as being in the same business ballpark as he is.
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She's had her big failures like most good businesspeople have. So has Trump. To win big you often have to risk big. They both have done so in their careers.
She's had huge successes too, like her time at ATT, and her early years at HP, so I think he does feel more threatened by someone like her than, say, a doctor. I think he's afraid of the comparisons. Just my speculation.
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I've been thinking the same thing. Maybe have marriage, or unions, or whatever, be a religious thing. But civilly, nobody gets extra rights/benefits for being joined to another(s). Everyone is single.
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Strangely that actually makes a lot of sense.
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I've been saying that for years. A husband and wife live together, don't have sex, but get the tax benefits of being married.
Now, homosexuals can get married and enjoy the same tax benefits. I have no problem with that.
But a pair of elderly sisters or cousins or just BFFs who live together? They aren't having sex either. Maybe it's just to help make ends meet and take a load off of the system for elder care. Why are they treated differently than a married couple when it comes to taxation?
I'm all for the separation of church and state, completely.
Oh no! @blueapron again!
@Kateplusmy8: Thank you @deannatweeting for our free week of @blueapron ... Just received&can’t wait to ‘dig in’! #AlreadyHooked 🎣 http://t.co/cBzLxZYWAI
Who wants to bet the "free week" from Deanna is a lie and she did make some kind of deal with them? Where's here #ad disclaimer?
UGGHHH
@blueapron: @Kateplusmy8 We can't wait to get started, Kate!
Somewhere In Time said... 114
Maybe Donald Trump should adopt Billy Joel's "The Entertainer" as his campaign theme song. Of course, he should check with Billy first to make sure he's allowed to.
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Or, "I didn't start the fire, it was always burning since the world's been turning..."
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Or the Piano Man.
Now Don at the bar is a friend of mine
He gets me my drinks for free
And he's quick with a joke or to light up your smoke
But there's someplace that he'd rather be
He says, "Hill, I believe this is killing me."
As the smile ran away from his face
"Well I'm sure that I could be the president
If I could get out of this place"
oh, la de la la la
Trump on 9/11. His ego is limitless. I find it very frightening, but not surprising, that so many are supporting him.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/11/trump-in-2005-build-freedom-tower-and-the-terrorists-win.html
This is what Donald Trump tweeted on Sept. 11, 2013. Actually, it's a retweet because he apparently deleted the original sometime this morning. The retweet is still on him timeline. I copy and pasted it from his timeline.
Donald J. Trump Verified account
@realDonaldTrump “@realDonaldTrump: I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th.”
5:12 PM - 11 Sep 2013
Here's a story about it from CNN.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/11/politics/donald-trump-9-11-tweet/
I guess he forgot to delete the retweet. "Special date"? Really?
That tweeted sounded more like he was sending greetings to someone on their birthday.
His tweet today was much better--wonder what he would've tweeted if it hadn't been running for President.
Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 2h2 hours ago
Let’s all take a moment to remember all of the heroes from a very tragic day that we cannot let happen again!
Jane said... 122
Trump on 9/11. His ego is limitless. I find it very frightening, but not surprising, that so many are supporting him.
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Jane-remember the Jones Beach fiasco that Trump kept going in the courts for several years? He only backed out finally because of Hurricane Sandy.
Kate is a twit said... 80
According to a post by Derrick Dillard on his website, he and Jill are staying in the States for a month before they go back to Central America.
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How can anyone miss them when they really just don't go away?
Donald J. Trump Verified account
@realDonaldTrump “@realDonaldTrump: I would like to extend my best wishes to all, even the haters and losers, on this special date, September 11th.”
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He'll blame it on an intern. Or say people are too stupid to interpret it correctly. Or that his twitter account is the most active twitter account in the history of twitter and that he can't possibly keep up on these things. And that (insert name of journalist who questions him) twitter account is a joke and they have no followers because they're not very good at their job. And boo hoo, people make fun of his hair and journalists don't call them out on it. Or he wanted to wake Americans up to the dangers of ignoring 9/11.
He's an asshole.
localyocul said... 119
Oh no! @blueapron again!
@Kateplusmy8: Thank you @deannatweeting for our free week of @blueapron ... Just received&can’t wait to ‘dig in’! #AlreadyHooked �� http://t.co/cBzLxZYWAI
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This woman is so lazy! The kids are in school all day, she does not have a job and she still can not cook dinner???!!!! This noted cookbook author needs a food service? She is really pathetic. Maybe if she was more organized, she would have time to make dinner!
I'm afraid too many voters are the reality tv generation and will be voting as such. They think Trump and his shenanigans would be fun to watch in the white house. Scary, scary, scary.
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Oooh, good point. You're thinking millennially.
Hopefully they don't vote?!
I guess he forgot to delete the retweet. "Special date"? Really?
That tweeted sounded more like he was sending greetings to someone on their birthday.
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That sounds so very inappropriate to me and it comes close to Kate's 'bombings or whatever'. I guess it's because narcs find it difficult to show or express compassion?
Moving on...
my thoughts and prayers to all whose lives were lost on this terrible day fourteen years ago and to their family and friends left behind.
4 Meals per week:
Price per meal:
$8.74 per person
Total per week for 4 people:
$139.84
Cost for 9 people for 4 meals for $314.64 if I figured right.
Even with a huge discount for a large order for 9 people Deanna must have spent a bunch of money to 'give' free meals to Kate. Is that why Kate keeps her around? Kate is using her for more than just free makeup.
Moving on...
my thoughts and prayers to all whose lives were lost on this terrible day fourteen years ago and to their family and friends left behind.
September 11, 2015 at 11:12 AM
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Me too. Thank God, we had family right there, but had no loss.
Today was eerily similar in the NE/East coast. Although it was a cloudless, blue sky, it still doesn't compare to the inimitable sky that was 9/11.
Sascha @Sassccha 1h1 hour ago
@Kateplusmy8 @deannatweeting @blueapron What DO you do all day Kate? Did Kathryn's Katerers get the heave-ho?
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heehee. Three cheers and a bottle of Rumspringa for Sascha! You go, girl.
As a Canadian with no say in who will be the next President of the U.S., I see Trump as a self centered person with delusions of his personal greatness. I can't believe he is leading in the polls. I can't imagine being married to this egomaniac. All his money hasn't bought him any finesse.
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Ingrid said... 130
4 Meals per week:
Price per meal:
$8.74 per person
Total per week for 4 people:
$139.84
Cost for 9 people for 4 meals for $314.64 if I figured right.
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Good grief, that's a mortgage.
What happened to all her cost-saving, buying-in-bulk, freezing ahead meal planning?
Kate is a twit said... 124
Jane said... 122
Trump on 9/11. His ego is limitless. I find it very frightening, but not surprising, that so many are supporting him.
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Jane-remember the Jones Beach fiasco that Trump kept going in the courts for several years? He only backed out finally because of Hurricane Sandy.
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Yes, I do remember that. The badgering, name-calling, nastiness that went on and on. He's really despicable. It's said that many problems that manifest themselves in adulthood have their roots in our childhood. I wonder what happened to him?
I know we don't want to get into political discussions here, but I wanted to mention that many, many years ago I lived in a Trump building - one built by his father, Fred, not The Donald! KIAT, you know the ones in Queens that were built way back when? They were middle-class, beautifully maintained and I remember Fred Trump coming by once in a while, just to check on things. He was a simple, older man. Quiet, no fancy clothes, polite. But I also seem to remember that there were reports he was involved with the KKK? As it turned out, we learned after moving into the apartment, our super definitely had some ties there which was a concern.
http://t.co/cBzLxZYWAI
WTF Blue Apron? No way this type of food service is meant for a growing family of 8 children. And yes, it does beg the question WTF does this woman do all damn day long?
Ridiculous.
OrangeCrusher 1
Back to the Hamill family for a minute. Is it my imagination, or is one of the twin girls more challenged than the other? If I'm right, it seems particularly unfortunate to make her film. It is bothering me. Maybe I just need to go back to being concerned for all children on reality TV.
But that little girl looks totally overwhelmed to me.
As a Canadian with no say in who will be the next President of the U.S., I see Trump as a self centered person with delusions of his personal greatness. I can't believe he is leading in the polls.
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...and what is Hillary? She's been grooming herself for POTUS since Bill took office. Self-centered, narcissist? Absolutely!
Me too. Thank God, we had family right there, but had no loss.
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My husband had several friends in the brokerage firm there. All were lost.
Maybe if she was more organized, she would have time to make dinner!
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But she still has to prepare it! The only thing she doesn't have to do is shop for the groceries (and pay for them).
Why would she flaunt this in a tweet? Wouldn't a private "thank you" be the way to go?
He's an asshole.
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At least he didn't call it "bombings or whatever."
She's had her big failures like most good businesspeople have. So has Trump. To win big you often have to risk big. They both have done so in their careers.
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Ah, but the difference is that he came out on top. He emerged from bankruptcy in business and near personal bankruptcy. She didn't.
Why would she flaunt this in a tweet? Wouldn't a private "thank you" be the way to go?
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IMO because it's a lie and she cut a deal with blue apron .
http://t.co/cBzLxZYWAI
WTF Blue Apron? No way this type of food service is meant for a growing family of 8 children. And yes, it does beg the question WTF does this woman do all damn day long?
Ridiculous.
OrangeCrusher 1
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We can expect no less from a fraud who >cough< wrote a cookbook, but is so lazy she needs cliffsnotes and meals in a box to navigate her way through making a piece of toast.
She's doing such a fine job of outing her ignorance by putting that BlueApron pic on her TL that I'm making her a Doofus-of-the-Month tiara for being such a perfect doofus.
"What happened to all her cost-saving, buying-in-bulk, freezing ahead meal planning?"
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She couldn't figure out if she should defrost the dinners before putting them into the microwave, or just put them into the oven frozen. The sheeple didn't know either. It was too confusing so she wrapped them and put them outside as gifts for Mr. Trashman.
Swimgirl (#127), and another point about Blue Apron which makes
her look bad: she claimed if you're not in the kitchen or the grocery
store, you'll never see her. But if food is being delivered to her, and
a lot of the prep work pre-done by this service, what about all those
hours of drudgery she claims to endure? Hey, maybe Blue Apron
will allow her enough time to get that job at McDonald's she
swore she'd get if she had to!
Ingrid said...
Even with a huge discount for a large order for 9 people Deanna must have spent a bunch of money to 'give' free meals to Kate. Is that why Kate keeps her around? Kate is using her for more than just free makeup.
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I don't believe this at all. I looked at her Twitter timeline and it's been dead. I think the intent of this tweet was to rile up the haters so her twitter account picks up. She knows that tweeting about freebies causes a shitstorm. I think that's what she's up to.
I just looked at her timeline again. Mission accomplished.
Good point P.J.
Just a thought - possibly she is thanking Deanna because she is the one who 'introduced' her to Blue Apron meals. The "free" food could be from BA as part of a new 'relationship' she has with the Company. (or not)
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Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 6h6 hours ago
Thank you @deannatweeting for our free week of @blueapron ... Just received&can’t wait to ‘dig in’! #AlreadyHooked 🎣
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Translation:
"Thank you, Deanna for introducing me to Blue Apron. I contacted them and they gave me a free week of food just for mentioning their name on twitter".
If Deanna "bought" them a week of food, why would she thank her on twitter? She could have just called her, but then Blue Apron wouldn't have gotten any advertising.
Wonder if Blue Apron will be featured in one of the new shows. Something like "with all the construction going on, I couldn't leave the house to go shopping and Blue Apron saved the day!!"
Erika Webster @erika5695 49m49 minutes ago Seminole, FL
@Kateplusmy8 @deannatweeting @blueapron now that someone esp you says blue apron is good got to try asap Ty
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LOL!! For sure! Kate is the I Ching when it comes to cooking. The go-to person for wisdom and knowledge. Speak to me, Grasshopper.
I don't believe this at all. I looked at her Twitter timeline and it's been dead. I think the intent of this tweet was to rile up the haters so her twitter account picks up. She knows that tweeting about freebies causes a shitstorm. I think that's what she's up to.
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Yep. The Bieber hair is getting old. Time to move on and bait the haters.
Then again, she could have just thanked Deanna privately, but she's too darn dumb to do that, plus it wouldn't have gotten her any attention. Everyone on her timeline should tweet Deanna and ask for BA freebies.
Even with a huge discount for a large order for 9 people Deanna must have spent a bunch of money to 'give' free meals to Kate. Is that why Kate keeps her around?
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Bag ladies have more dignity.
CarleneMarie @CarleneMarie_1 28m28 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 @deannatweeting @blueapron Well...you have to let us know how you liked dinner tonight! #PicsOrItDidntHappen 😋
Why? What are you going to do about it if Kate didn't like it? Fly to Wernersville and offer to cook for her?
P.J. (147): "I don't believe this at all. I looked at her Twitter timeline and it's been dead."
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Oh, I believe that Deanna ordered a food care package for her. It sounds like something she would do to get attention. It may very well be that Kate wanted to resurrect her timeline by publicly tweeting this, but why would it be out of the realm of possibility for Deanna to have "gifted" her with a freebie?
I believe when Blue Apron was discussed before, it said that subscribers have the option to send free meals to a friend.
This is from an online review:
Blue Apron is also pretty generous about gifting its subscribers with a handful of free boxes to send to friends, for a one-week trial of the service. While it’s an obvious marketing ploy, it’s also a nice way to treat a friend who you think could use it.
And this is from a yelp review:
"Just canceled my account after sending co-workers what I thought were free meals. Then started getting feedback from them that they got automatically charged for a week of meals following the "free" meal. It appears that the "free meal" program is a marketing scam to get unsuspecting potential customers to get sucked in to Blue Apron.
There is nothing on the site that says that the recipients would be automatically enrolled in a paid subscription, otherwise I wouldn't have sent or I would have at least warned my co-workers.
Thanks to Blue Apron, I've got a bunch of peeved co-workers that got tricked into spending a lot of money for something they didn't want! Yay. You suck Blue Apron."
I'll bet Deanna chose Kate as the recipient of her "free" meals. I'll also bet that Kate is getting meals for 2 (herself and herself) while still feeding the kids with "food" from her cookbook.
Fleecing (#152), yeah, no one can cut a cheese cube or toss a
cracker on a plate like TFW!
Remember the Galloping Gourmet? Maybe TFW has a crack at
a cooking show called the Grifting Gourmet.
MKBrownlow @MK_Brownlow 13m13 minutes ago
@deannatweeting @JeanneKaye @Kateplusmy8 @blueapron WAIT!!! All this food comes in a box? Like, to your house? http://gif.co/s1g2.gif
No, Stale Cereal Brownie. It's delivered in a beer barrel to your local bar and you have a neighbor pick it up there. Or it comes in baggies and your UPS Store crams it into nine post office boxes, one for each person.
Google Blue Apron, dumbo! Are these people really this stupid or do they just want a response from Kate (and Deanna)?
Publicly thanking Deanna allows Kate to show Blue Apron how many tweets she could generate as a spokesperson. If the haters are responding, they are doing her grifting job for her.
Google Blue Apron, dumbo! Are these people really this stupid or do they just want a response from Kate (and Deanna)? 159
That's a tough one, but none of them seem very bright.
This makes more sense, the Blue Apron freebies are a meal or meals for Kate and her best friend Kate. This is not kid food, and I believe one kid is a vegetarian too. If this 'gift' was actually food for nine, that box would surely be bigger? Breathlessly, not, waiting for the pic of a salmon filet on a bed of lettuce leaves. I understand the appeal, and market base of Blue Apron, but feeding 8 kids is not it.
Grifter goes grifting. Again.
OrangeCrusher1
Gee Whiz @GeeWhiz__ 16m16 minutes ago
LYING & STUPID kateplusmy8 H8RS you know the alcoholic is the SON of your WACKO BFF. #Sick&TwistefFreaksAlwaysLying
On Kate's TL:
I'm lost. What in the heck is this sheeple talking about?
Kate's had less than 60 tweets on her T/L since she tweeted the thanks to BA NINE hours ago. BA may want to look for a celeb with a more "devoted" audience.
Two separate things.
I'm guessing the next issue will be polygamy, btw.
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Yes, though I don't know if that will gain the traction gay marriage did.
Those against it like to tie it to child abuse, which they can actually do with more credibility than with gays and lesbians. It will be a much harder sell.
P.J. said... 148
I just looked at her timeline again. Mission accomplished.
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Yes, the non-fans, or what's left of them, took the bait. Better to just ignore Kate and Blue Apron rather than call attention to them, which is just what Kate wanted. There aren't even enough sheep left to resurrect a dead timeline.
Sue_Buddy said... 164
Kate's had less than 60 tweets on her T/L since she tweeted the thanks to BA NINE hours ago. BA may want to look for a celeb with a more "devoted" audience.
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And older than 12.
Kate's had less than 60 tweets on her T/L since she tweeted the thanks to BA NINE hours ago. BA may want to look for a celeb with a more "devoted" audience.
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And older than 12.
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Lol, she's soooo in the wrong demographic for trying to get her fans to buy this product. Heaven forbid she should try to pitch them something that actually makes sense for them to throw their money behind.
Kate's had less than 60 tweets on her T/L since she tweeted the thanks to BA NINE hours ago. BA may want to look for a celeb with a more "devoted" audience.
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And older than 12.
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And ones with fans who don't have to ask if the food comes delivered to your house in a box.
...and what is Hillary? She's been grooming herself for POTUS since Bill took office. Self-centered, narcissist? Absolutely!
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They all are. Or most of them are. Nobody but a narcissistic nut wants to be POTUS.
I've always felt this is a big reason why people are responding to Trump. Because they know that deep down most of the candidates are like him, and that they would rather candidates just be honest about who they really are. They'll take the honest nut over the nut who tries to hide who he is.
Kim Davis' lawyers filed another appeal today.
"Lawyers for Rowan County Clerk Kim Davis asked a federal appeals court on Friday to effectively end the requirement, currently in place under an order from the trial judge, that all couples be allowed to marry in the county.
In a new request to the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals, Davis’s lawyers took aim Friday at a Sept. 3 ruling from Bunning that expanded the Aug. 12 ruling to include “other individuals who are legally eligible to marry in Kentucky.”
In Friday’s filing, Davis’s lawyers call the move by the plaintiffs’ lawyers seeking to expand the Aug. 12 injunction to include all couples “a disingenuous motion” aimed at making the initial injunction “encompass a class of persons not covered by the injunction.”
To support this argument, Davis’s lawyers note that, earlier, the plaintiffs’ lawyers had filed a motion seeking class certification in the case — an effort to have the case expanded to apply to all couples seeking to marry in the county. While that motion was under consideration — Bunning still has not ruled on it — the plaintiffs’ lawyers, seeking the “clarification” of the initial injunction, “sought to convert the Injunction’s relief, which was limited and personal to them by their own request, into a class-wide preliminary injunction,” Davis’s lawyers argue in Friday’s filing.
Then, Bunning, on Sept. 3, granted the “clarification” request.
Davis’s lawyers also note that Bunning’s order releasing Davis from jail for contempt ordered that she not interfere with the issuance of any marriage licenses in the county — clearly, therefore, linking her release to the “clarified” Sept. 3 injunction, the same day she was found in contempt, and not the initial Aug. 12 injunction.
Shortly after this latest motion was filed on Friday, the 6th Circuit directed that the plaintiffs file a response to Davis’s request “on or before the close of business, Tuesday, September 15, 2015.”
http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/kentucky-clerk-asks-for-order-allowing-all-couples-to-marry?utm_term=.irp2eKEQ#.fmKxgKOXJ
So if I understand this correctly, they're saying the original court order of Aug.12 applied only to the couples that filed the initial lawsuit, and that the judge was wrong when he ruled on Sept. 3 that the county had to issue licenses to ALL couples eligible to be married, because he had no authority to expand the "class" covered in the original suit.
Why did they wait until today to file? So that when Kim goes back to work Monday, they have something to back her up if she orders her clerks not to issue licenses and the court jails her again?
This won't be decided by Monday. The plaintiffs have until Tuesday to reply.
It just seems very shady that they waited until today to file this appeal, knowing that they won't have an answer before Kim goes back to work.
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 115
I've been thinking the same thing. Maybe have marriage, or unions, or whatever, be a religious thing. But civilly, nobody gets extra rights/benefits for being joined to another(s). Everyone is single.
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That only works under the assumption that everyone gay is not religious. Or, are you (and the OP) saying that each religion would have its own policy?
France had civil unions that were equivalent to marriages. They just approved gay marriage in the last year or so. It is still discriminatory--just like having to go to another county for a marriage license. The goal is equality.
So if I understand this correctly, they're saying the original court order of Aug.12 applied only to the couples that filed the initial lawsuit, and that the judge was wrong when he ruled on Sept. 3 that the county had to issue licenses to ALL couples eligible to be married, because he had no authority to expand the "class" covered in the original suit.
Why did they wait until today to file?
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Because they probably just thought of it.
What a silly, petty, gotch-ya argument. Classic attorney work! :)
They seem to essentially be asking the lower court to reverse the Supreme Court. What authority do they have to do that. They're not going to touch this, they're dreaming.
Can't wait until Monday!
In my previous comment about Kim Davis, I didn't copy/paste the whole article, but just copied and pasted the basics. I suggest you read the whole article. There is also a copy of the appeal, the transcript of the Sep. 3 hearing, and other exhibits.
This was also in the article:
"Davis also has appealed the contempt order itself and asked the 6th Circuit to halt Gov. Steve Beshear from enforcing what her lawyers refer to as a same-sex marriage “mandate.”
That only works under the assumption that everyone gay is not religious. Or, are you (and the OP) saying that each religion would have its own policy?
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That's right. If you want the institute of marriage, you knock on the door of a church. Otherwise there's no such thing. No tax breaks or anything else.
There are plenty of churches out there that will marry gays, polygamists, and so on. Everyone gets their fair chance to have the church do so.
It actually falls squarely in line with the separation of church and state.
One of the most excellent points made in this discussion, forgive me for not being 100% sure who said it, is that if you think gay marriage is a slippery slope, then so too is straight marriage! Lol, brilliant.
Over And Out said... 163
Gee Whiz @GeeWhiz__ 16m16 minutes ago
LYING & STUPID kateplusmy8 H8RS you know the alcoholic is the SON of your WACKO BFF. #Sick&TwistefFreaksAlwaysLying
On Kate's TL:
I'm lost. What in the heck is this sheeple talking about?
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I have no idea. I thought someone was calling Kate an alcoholic, but that doesn't sound right in the context of the tweet.
Today was eerily similar in the NE/East coast. Although it was a cloudless, blue sky, it still doesn't compare to the inimitable sky that was 9/11.
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I was in Pennsylvania that day where we had that same crisp blue sky. As I recall it was also quite a mild day. Not exactly warm but no jacket necessary. It was a very beautiful day. Gorgeous. I will never forget how beautiful that day was. What a contrast. It was almost like a higher power was saying I'm going to give you the most beautiful day I can create for you, as if to offer a little comfort.
"Davis also has appealed the contempt order itself and asked the 6th Circuit to halt Gov. Steve Beshear from enforcing what her lawyers refer to as a same-sex marriage “mandate.”
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You know what. I just realized. There's a problem with her contempt appeal now. It's moot. There is no remedy the court of appeal can grant her. She's been released for jail. If she were appealing it, she would have asked for release. It's going to be kicked straight away, because there's nothing they can do about it. The Court of Appeal is concerned with providing a remedy and they rarely decide appeals just to say no, no, no that was wrong. If there is a mootness issue, your appeal is dead in the water.
I was in Pennsylvania that day where we had that same crisp blue sky. As I recall it was also quite a mild day. Not exactly warm but no jacket necessary. It was a very beautiful day. Gorgeous. I will never forget how beautiful that day was. What a contrast. It was almost like a higher power was saying I'm going to give you the most beautiful day I can create for you, as if to offer a little comfort.
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yep it was a beautiful low humidity yet warm absolutely cloudless day
You know what. I just realized. There's a problem with her contempt appeal now. It's moot. There is no remedy the court of appeal can grant her. She's been released for jail. If she were appealing it, she would have asked for release. It's going to be kicked straight away, because there's nothing they can do about it. The Court of Appeal is concerned with providing a remedy and they rarely decide appeals just to say no, no, no that was wrong. If there is a mootness issue, your appeal is dead in the water.
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I just realized that article was probably referring to the old appeal about the contempt that her lawyers filed on Labor Day while she was still in jail. I don't think it's a new appeal. It's not noted in the new appeal filing.
I think the author just added that in to say that Davis' attorneys had also filed other appeals regarding the case.
Kate is a twit said... 175
In my previous comment about Kim Davis, I didn't copy/paste the whole article, but just copied and pasted the basics. I suggest you read the whole article.
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Ugh! I'd rather stick needles in my eyes. All the whytofors and ergos and heretofors and thuses make my head hurt. I'll take yours and Admins word for it.
Lori Cornejo @sammysgmom 3m3 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 @deannatweeting @blueapron To all the negative comments..if U belong to @blueapron, U can forward a trial to family/friends😀
I guess tweeter doesn't know that your family/friends will be billed for it after the free trial!
I know all the dog lovers here will like this story. Of all the articles about 9/11 that I read today, this is the one that made me really tear up.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/living-911-search-rescue-dog-honored-york-city/story?id=33687084
This is from the Blue Apron website:
4.4. Free Trials
From time to time, we may offer free trials for specified periods of time without payment. If we offer you a free trial, the specific terms of your free trial will be provided in the marketing materials describing the particular trial or at registration.
ONCE YOUR FREE TRIAL ENDS, WE (OR OUR THIRD PARTY PAYMENT PROCESSOR) WILL BEGIN BILLING YOUR DESIGNATED PAYMENT METHOD ON A RECURRING BASIS FOR YOUR SUBSCRIPTION (PLUS ANY APPLICABLE TAXES AND OTHER CHARGES) FOR AS LONG AS YOUR SUBSCRIPTION CONTINUES, UNLESS YOU CANCEL YOUR SUBSCRIPTION PRIOR TO THE END OF YOUR FREE TRIAL. INSTRUCTIONS FOR CANCELING YOUR SUBSCRIPTION ARE DESCRIBED IN SECTIONS 4.1 AND 4.2 ABOVE. PLEASE NOTE THAT YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE A NOTICE FROM US THAT YOUR FREE TRIAL HAS ENDED OR THAT THE PAID PORTION OF YOUR SUBSCRIPTION HAS BEGUN. WE RESERVE THE RIGHT TO MODIFY OR TERMINATE FREE TRIALS AT ANY TIME, WITHOUT NOTICE AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION.
Section 4.1 states:
Cancellation Policy. YOU MAY CANCEL YOUR MEAL SUBSCRIPTION AT ANY TIME BY EMAILING US AT CANCELLATIONS@BLUEAPRON.COM AND FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THE EMAIL WE SEND YOU IN RESPONSE TO YOUR CANCELLATION REQUEST. DEPENDING ON YOUR WEEKLY CUT-OFF DATE, WHICH IS AVAILABLE ON YOUR “MY ACCOUNT” PAGE, YOUR CANCELLATION WILL BE EFFECTIVE BETWEEN FIVE (5) AND SEVEN (7) DAYS AFTER YOU COMPLETE THE CANCELLATION PROCESS. YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL MEAL SUBSCRIPTION CHARGES (IN ADDITION TO ANY APPLICABLE TAXES AND OTHER CHARGES) INCURRED BEFORE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF YOUR CANCELLATION.
So the cancellation won't be effective until at least 5 days after you send them a cancellation notice, and you're responsible for any order processed until the effective date.
So if you don't want to be charged, it seems like you have to cancel your subscription the same day that you start your free trial.
When you have a free trial, and you don't want to continue, most free trials are effective the DAY that you cancel, not 5-7 days later. I sometimes get an Amazon Prime free trial, and if I cancel it before it expires, the cancellation is effective on that date.
What a racket they have going on by having an effective date of cancellation a week later after you cancel. Although they spell it out in large print, I bet they figure that most people won't read their terms and they end up getting a meal they didn't want and have to pay for.
Kayla21 @klinrse21 20m20 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 @deannatweeting @blueapron Woah!!! I'm going to look into this! Looks perfect for busy lives! Thanks 4 sharing ladies!
Kayla21 @klinrse21 18m18 minutes ago
Just hearing about @blueapron thanks to @Kateplusmy8 for her tweet! This looks awesome for the busy family but keeping it healthy! #excited
LOL, Kayla. Before you get too #excited, you better read the policy regarding free trials and subscriptions!
LOL, Kayla. Before you get too #excited, you better read the policy regarding free trials and subscriptions!
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Ack. They are sheeple. They look to Kate and if she says this is a good thing, then so be it. If they can't read BA's policy, let them get caught with their pants down. They have only themselves to blame.
I would imagine that if Kate gets a trial BA box of free food and then starts getting bills, she's not going to pay them - even when she gets more food delivered. I think it would be interesting to see how it all plays out. I just don't believe she will ever pay them anything
BA is convenient in that you don't have to shop because everything for the recipe is in the box..HOWEVER, you still have to do all the prep work and cooking. You could save just as much time (and more money) by planning ahead and shopping for what you need in your local store on the weekend. Judging by Some the comments I've seen on Twitter, the stuff you buy will probably be fresher.
I agree that if they bill her she won't pay.
Well, Perry pulled out of the race and bashed Trump with some nasty zingers, but didn't mention his name. Trump's response?
Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump
.@GovernorPerry is a terrific guy and I wish him well- I know he will have a great future!
9/11 memory...
The brother of a family friend was the pilot of one of the hijacked planes. I'll never forget receiving that call.
The Oath Keepers have cancelled their security detail to protect Kim Davis on Monday. They said that Liberty Counsel declined their offer of protection to keep her from being arrested. From their website:
"Upon request by Kim Davis’ legal team, Oath Keepers is canceling the planned security detail for Mrs. Davis in Morehead, Kentucky.
Oath Keepers has been contacted by Kim Davis’ legal team at Liberty Counsel, and they have, on her behalf, declined our offer of assistance in protecting her from a possible repeat incarceration by Federal District Court judge David Bunning. We will, of course, respect her wishes, and are hereby issuing a stand-down for our security volunteers who were planning on deploying to Morehead, Kentucky on Monday.
Oath Keepers will NOT be conducting a security detail for Mrs. Davis. We always seek the full consent and cooperation of anyone we protect, and we must respect their wishes if they decline that protection. Anyone who was planning on going to Morehead, KY to serve on the security detail are now asked to not do so. We do thank you most sincerely for your willingness to step up, as unpaid volunteers, in defense of due process. That was a very honorable intent, and we commend you."
http://oathkeepers.org/oktester/kim-davis-legal-team-declines-oath-keepers-offer-to-protect-her-against-unlawul-arrrest/
You could save just as much time (and more money) by planning ahead and shopping for what you need in your local store on the weekend. Judging by Some the comments I've seen on Twitter, the stuff you buy will probably be fresher.
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Why wouldn't you just get take-out? Pizza, Chinese, Isaac's, Crazy Tomato, or any restaurant that prepares and delivers...or even if you have to pick it up? It certainly would be easier and about the same price (or even less expensive) than making it yourself.
I don't think it's just a coincidence that a company with the initials "BA"
would be a hit with the sheeple! (*drops the mike sheepishly*)
Are Kim's lawyers saying: the judge had could order that she allow her minions (can't remember their title right now; ah, the deputy clerks) to issue marriage licenses for the 4 couples who sued, but he didn't have the right to right to order that she allow them to issue marriage licenses to other couples. Every couple who wanted a marriage license from her office would have to sue, and get an order from a judge? That's absolutely nuts. What a waste of the court's time.
Unless the judge based his ruling on something special about these couples (like they were disabled and couldn't drive over to the next county), his ruling should apply to all couples. And I believe he specifically rejected an argument that "they could just get their license somewhere else" and argued that even if they could go elsewhere, they should't have to just because Kim is being a dick. Though I do believe he used different language. But she really is being a dick.
So the mootness means that she can't appeal the contempt ruling.
But, if she denies (or orders the deputy clerk to deny) a license to a couple not named in the original suit, and the judge orders her fined or jailed again for contempt, then they could argue it. "My client wasn't in contempt, your honor, because this wasn't one of the four couples who sued."
I agree Lanc Native. Take out would be much easier and cost about the same as a BA meal. The prep time on their "gourmet" meals for TFW's family would take forever.
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The Oath Keepers have cancelled their security detail to protect Kim Davis on Monday. They said that Liberty Counsel declined their offer of protection to keep her from being arrested.
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Ah, too bad. Is it because they know they are pissing into the wind? I still think this is all over except for the postmortem and they know it.
So the mootness means that she can't appeal the contempt ruling.
But, if she denies (or orders the deputy clerk to deny) a license to a couple not named in the original suit, and the judge orders her fined or jailed again for contempt, then they could argue it. "My client wasn't in contempt, your honor, because this wasn't one of the four couples who sued."
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Shaking my head. They're officially grasping at straws.
I'm pretty sure Blue Apron is mostly catered to urbanites, young working professionals, no kids or maybe a baby. People who want to feel like grown ups by cooking a nice meal, but don't have the time or inclination to do all the recipe research, shopping and prep.
This is a way for city dwelling white collar upper middle class people with money, though not quite enough money to afford a cook, to feel like real home makers who can whip up something special while still having a busy career.
The idea that a stay at home mom fits into any of this is silly. It makes no sense for that crowd.
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