Duggar Family Statement: "We are so thankful for the outpouring of love, care and prayers for our family during this most difficult situation with Josh. As parents we are so deeply grieved by our son’s decisions and actions. His wrong choices have deeply hurt his precious wife and children and have negatively affected so many others. He has also brought great insult to the values and faith we hold dear. Yesterday Josh checked himself into a long-term treatment center. For him it will be a long journey toward wholeness and recovery. We pray that in this he comes to complete repentance and sincere change. In the meantime, we will be offering our love, care and devoted support to Anna and our grandchildren as she also receives counsel and help for her own heart and future. During this time we continue to look to God—He is our rock and comfort. We ask for your continued prayers for our entire family."http://www.etonline.com/news/170697_josh_duggar_checks_into_treatment_center_after_ashely_madison_scandal/
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I visited my stylist today. It was long overdue. My roots were as bad as Kate's. A young high school gal was getting the ombre. After she had gone, we were talking about this "trend," and he said it will be a thing of the past in another three months. We laughed about it because there I was getting a root job (blond hair) and she was darkening her roots. Stylist said that ombre is nothing more than getting a reverse retouch and calling it a hot new fashion statement.
Old Rockford Files and Roseanne discussions don't bother me in the least. Bring it on!
They should read the internet comments on articles about their husband. They're probably a heck of a lot more accurate about what's really going on.
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Maybe some of these men intentionally married doofuses - the type of woman dumber than a stick who can't open a can of Spaghetti O's leave alone search through a data dump to see if their husbands were shopping around.
Then there are the women don't even care if that's what's happening as long as their 'kept women' needs are maintained at home.
Zoomer said... 142
Admin, you should didn't allow many comments about the political talk before laying down your virtual gavel.
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When did admin do the cease and desist thing with politcal discussions?
AuntieAnn (2)
Maybe some of these men intentionally married doofuses -
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It's doofi. Did you miss the grammar lesson on plurals? :)
"I don't see how Jim Bob and Michelle can even look at Anna in her face! They are so responsible for this. They planted very bad seed in the beginning with Josh and now the harvest that is being reaped is so overwhelming and heartbreaking!"
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That may very well be, but Anna knew he molested his own sisters and chose to marry him anyway. Yes, I know she was brainwashed and perhaps some of it had to do with wanting to be on that Duggar gravy train, but darn it, she went into the marriage knowing that he groped his underage sisters.
"I wish Anna had the courage to not let Jim Bob, Michelle, John David at her house. Even if she had to get a restraining order."
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A restraining order must be approved and there must be a reason. What possible reason would there be for getting a restraining order on her in-laws and her husband? I'm not following this.
LOL! The ad on this page tonight was for Showtime and it said "Enjoy Masters of Sex".
The psychology of this fascinates me. If women don't want to believe anything is wrong, if they don't want to believe hubby is cheating, they won't.
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Yes, and it's the same scenario as is seen with Kate's fans. They don't want to believe that she possibly could have done what she did when it came to abusing her kids and the dogs. Robert altered those journals. Kate is perfect, struggling, single mom with an ex from hell. Everyone who meets her loves her.
The blindness and denial is fascinating.
It's brilliant that a lady made some care packages for the women in the church that are having to have *** with their husbands 24/7 so they won't stray.
Energy bars, KY, almonds, Power Ade, water, magazines, haha
It is just to show HOW ridiculous that preachers statement was.
I think it is brilliant and hilarious.
I wonder if it's an evolutionary thing. People who are good at ignoring the truth, and looking at the world through rose colored glasses and refusing to see very bad things happening to them, don't get sad or depressed. The happier and more content and oblivious you are, the better your chance is at survival.
The realists like us actually wouldn't last a day in cavemen times. We'd be like, people, we are screwed. That woolly mammoth is three times our size. We don't have a chance against it. And then we'd go off ourselves in despair.
pasting this
One of the comments brought up a good point I haven't seen any of us think of. I guess you have to have a cheaters mindset to think of this, but it really is brilliant.
So you just heard there's a hack and know you're on the site. Quickly log on and change all the photos and information so it looks like it's someone else. Then as a preventative measure, tell your wife oh my gosh I searched for my email just for shits and giggles and it actually came up. Someone used my email! But look see, it's not me. It's another random guy. What a barrel of laughs, honey, eh?
It's actually brilliant and I don't put it past most of these guys to think of it. ------------------------------------------
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Does not work for us french Canadians...
OOPS
Do we really believe that they told Anna and her parents the whole truth about the molestation before they got married? I don't. Yes, her statement said she knew but I think that is PR spin. They probably told her some tiny detail that wasn't so bad and left out the rest. The Duggars wanted him married.
I also suspect one of the older Duggar children is living with Anna. She probably could use the help and this way they have a spy.
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 3
It's doofi. Did you miss the grammar lesson on plurals? :)
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Oops. I must have been truant that day. Someone has to tend the still under the porch.
Doofi. Is that like fungi?
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 6
I wonder if it's an evolutionary thing. People who are good at ignoring the truth, and looking at the world through rose colored glasses and refusing to see very bad things happening to them, don't get sad or depressed. The happier and more content and oblivious you are, the better your chance is at survival.
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Yep, ignorance is bliss, but if a badger is chewing off my arm I'm not gonna pet him and say 'good boy'. Some people take this positive thinking thing too far.
Yes, I do know that Dr. Wong is a character and reads from a script.
It is just wishful thinking.
I had never heard that Bill Gothard's brother Steve was found to be having affairs with secretaries at the Institute of Basic Life Principles.
He had been the Administrative Director. Bro. Bill knew, but shielded Steve. Bill apparently resigned because of the cover up, but returned later to reclaim his title of top dog (!). No mention of what happened to Steve.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_in_Basic_Life_Principles
Those secretaries must have been painted women, each and every one!
Going and showing their elbows, luring God fearing men into the sins of touching and fornication and being naked and such!
Well, if we wanted to get picky, bd wong is the actor who plays Dr. George Huang (pronounced Hwong) on Law and Order SVU. 😉 :)
They planted very bad seed in the beginning with Josh and now the harvest that is being reaped is so overwhelming and heartbreaking!"
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Only time will tell if any other of their 20 seeds is a dud. the statistics are not in their favor.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/ashley-madison-data-reveals-that-majority-of-women-were-fake-2015278
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Interesting.
Jeanne said... 10
Do we really believe that they told Anna and her parents the whole truth about the molestation before they got married? I don't. Yes, her statement said she knew but I think that is PR spin. They probably told her some tiny detail that wasn't so bad and left out the rest. The Duggars wanted him married.
I also suspect one of the older Duggar children is living with Anna. She probably could use the help and this way they have a spy.
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I agree and I totally agree. If they played down the molestation to the victims, you can bet they played it down further to Anna.
No way is Anna being left alone. She's being watched and programmed.
Okay, digging into Reformers Unanimous.
On their website they say...
Reformers Unanimous is a revolutionary addiction recovery program developed from over a decade of experience working with hundreds of thousands of addicts. Addiction experts Steve Curington, and Dr. Paul Kingsbury have produced a program that uses a unique spiritual approach to develop lifelong sobriety.
After a 10-year bout with cocaine addiction, Steve Curington found complete sobriety through his relationship with Jesus Christ. After his recovery, Steve began Reformers Unanimous, a faith-based addiction ministry, in 1996. What started as a humble, Friday night addiction class, quickly exploded into a worldwide ministry."
Steve Curington, he of no credentials that I could find other than his own experience with cocaine addiction, died in 2010. He was 45.
"Dr" Paul Kingsbury attended Maranatha Baptist Bible College and graduated from Hyles-Anderson College in 1976. I'm not sure where the "Dr" came from.
Hyles–Anderson College (HAC) is an unaccredited Independent Baptist college.
Their "International Director" Brother Ben Burks is a Bible school graduate.
So, now we know. TEN whole years of experience and they've worked with HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of addicts. Their revolving door must do double duty as a fan.
Oh, and they have more than 800 chapters around the world. ??? I'm guessing Joshie went to one of those 800 chapters, back when he was just a little too curious as a boy.
They're going to pray away Josh Duggar's problems? These are powerful people. Why don't they fix the economy or the middle east or something?
Pj #19...
Good post!
Jeanne said... 10
Do we really believe that they told Anna and her parents the whole truth about the molestation before they got married? I don't.
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Neither do I. I think they whitewashed the heck out of what Josh did. Look at the interview with Megyn Kelly and see how they minimized the molestations.
Sure, the girls were all asleep (like comatose, apparently) and had no idea what happened, and Josh just touched them under their garments for a couple seconds, then he peed his pants and went running to Mommy and Daddy to confess.
It's actually insulting.
So, now we know. TEN whole years of experience and they've worked with HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of addicts. Their revolving door must do double duty as a fan.
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Come on! There's exaggeration and then there's sheer bullshit. The Betty Ford clinic hasn't even treated that many addicts!
800 Chapters sounds impressive, but they are Baptist Churches.
We've heard "Duggarspeak," and it involved plenty of minimizing
and omission and whitewashing. So who's to say they didn't
just tell Anna, "Josh did some experimenting as a boy, but he
came to us to ask forgiveness, and that behavior is long behind
him." Period. That may have been the entire conversation.
"Reformers Unanimous exists to help the addicted experience a life of victory. This victory is obtained and retained not through an experience of ongoing effort, but through a once in a lifetime decision to accept Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and a subsequent dedication to developing a dynamic love relationship with Him."
So, wait a minute. Josh, I assume, has long ago accepted JC and his personal Savior. Maybe it really didn't "take"?
He's a fundie Christian already, so I'm not getting what they do with people who already are baptized in the faith.
Tucker's Mom (#24), that's an awfully disturbing quote from their
mission statement. They're practically bragging that they're not
about "ongoing effort," but more of a quick fix. If anyone here
is old enough to remember the Evelyn Wood Speed-Reading
Academy, I guess this is the addiction version of it.
Speaking only about my life experiences, the things that matter
most take ongoing effort -- careers, relationships, hobbies, skills,
etc. Nothing of great value is a quick fix. What kind of ridiculous
outfit is this?
"I wish Anna had the courage to not let Jim Bob, Michelle, John David at her house. Even if she had to get a restraining order."
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A restraining order must be approved and there must be a reason. What possible reason would there be for getting a restraining order on her in-laws and her husband? I'm not following this.
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If, and that's a big if, she ever got up the courage to tell them they are no longer welcome in her home or around her grandkids, and if they persisted in trying to enter her home or otherwise showing up unwanted, that absolutely would be grounds for a restraining order. She has every right, as any mother does, to cut off the grandparents if she chooses and get a restraining order if they don't comply.
I've worked with addicts for almost eight years and I've never heard of that program. Is it accredited? Are they licensed? Are they an approved program by probation departments, the courts, and CPS? I find it incredible to believe that a program that boasts their kinds of success rates I haven't heard of.
They sound like a super-fundie alternative to AA.
So, now we know. TEN whole years of experience and they've worked with HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of addicts. Their revolving door must do double duty as a fan.
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The Betty Ford clinic hasn't even treated that many addicts!
800 Chapters sounds impressive, but they are Baptist Churches.
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I wonder if this is what Jim Bob meant when he said in the interview that he knew and talked to MANY families that had this problem, and it was much worse than what Josh did.
I agree, the minimizing and whitewashing that Jim Bob and Michelle did in that interview and have done all throughout this mess is very sad. To have to build the girls and guys rooms separate and then put their bedroom like a moat so you have to go through their bedroom in order to get to the girls room? Insane. He should of been removed from the house.
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 8
The realists like us actually wouldn't last a day in cavemen times. We'd be like, people, we are screwed. That woolly mammoth is three times our size. We don't have a chance against it. And then we'd go off ourselves in despair.
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I think it works more like "Hey, we don't stand a chance against the mammoth but you optimists are welcome to give it a try." After they had weakened the mammoth and gotten stomped in the process we swoop in and enjoy the spoils. Someone had to be cannon fodder back in the day.
Does any of the literature on this facility explain how they determine
a patient's addiction has been "cured?" Alcohol and drug use can
be monitored physically. How is an unhealthy desire declared
banished or conquered? Do you simply ask the patient, in this
case a young man whose life has been built on lies and deception,
if he's cured?
People tell all (rolling eyes)
http://www.people.com/article/anna-duggar-josh-duggar-why-she-married-knowing-molestation-scandal
According to her father, King David had an affair. Yep, if the Bible tells them it's all ok. Creepy and crazy.
OrangeCrusher1
Does not work for us french Canadians... (9)
Oh, Frankie... :) I live just up the hill from where you are and I can't count how many "pure-laine" French-Canadian women I know personally who were more than willing to believe *anything" little hubby said about working late at the office, falling head first in lipstick vats, coming back from a friendly game of late night hockey but reeking of Chanel no5, etc., etc. I really don't think that the fear of facing the truth has a nationality: it's a human trait...
Do you simply ask the patient, in this
case a young man whose life has been built on lies and deception,
if he's cured?
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I was wondering that, too. Maybe they leave him alone in a room with a computer and see if he goes to a porn site.
Subway, never again.
http://www.people.com/article/subway-franchisee-claims-she-alerted-company-about-jared-fogle-years-ago
She claims that she told Subway that he was going to Thailand and was with girls as little as 9 to 16. I checked to see if they had any Subways in Thailand and they have 62.
Is there any recourse for the victims even though Jared paid them off, that they could now sue Subway for knowing and covering it up?
Also, when the Duggars would go down to El Salvador, what about Josh? Did he do anything there?
Oops. I must have been truant that day. Someone has to tend the still under the porch.
Doofi. Is that like fungi?
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Yep. Like the plural of penis is peni.
I'm still wondering if sheeple is singular or plural or both.
This is one of the comments of the Duggar family FB page:
"So tell me, if an entire lifetime of being raised in your Bible-based faith didn't help him do the right thing, what makes you think checking him into yet another Bible-based recovery center is going to do anything?"
Exactly my thoughts also.
"So tell me, if an entire lifetime of being raised in your Bible-based faith didn't help him do the right thing, what makes you think checking him into yet another Bible-based recovery center is going to do anything?"
Exactly my thoughts also.
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Anyone with basic critical thinking skills thinks so!
Jim Boob is a homophobic, xenophobic bigot of the highest order and has indoctrinated a culture of fear in his family.
We, the outside world, are the boogeyman.
They, like Kate, can travel all over the world on TLC's dime, but they are still bumpkins, all of them.
I'm still wondering if sheeple is singular or plural or both. 34
I've always thought both, like deer.
I was wondering that, too. Maybe they leave him alone in a room with a computer and see if he goes to a porn site.
Lol, BITW... Considering everything else I've read for far about that "treatment center" I wouldn't be surprised at all if these "addiction specialists" actually stay in the room with their patients so they can witness them *not* going on porn sites.
White Organza said... 38
I was wondering that, too. Maybe they leave him alone in a room with a computer and see if he goes to a porn site.
Lol, BITW... Considering everything else I've read for far about that "treatment center" I wouldn't be surprised at all if these "addiction specialists" actually stay in the room with their patients so they can witness them *not* going on porn sites.
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I would be shocked if there was any academic rigor behind the treatments.
It's dogma-based without any peer-refereeing or accreditation at all.
ET apparently spoke to two Duggar family members:
http://www.etonline.com/news/170797_josh_duggar_extended_family_member_i_hope_he_gets_broken_rehab/
Here are their quotes:
"We are all shocked and broken and furious," one member of the Duggar family says. "Who did we spend Christmases with? Who have we grown up with? Who is this person? This is supposed to be a happy time, and there is a dark cloud over our family."
"Josh’s integrity is gone," the family member continues. "It’s scary. You never know who can have a double life. You really think you know someone. Josh was caught with his hand in the cookie jar and I hope he gets broken in rehab and gets the help he needs. I hope Anna finds the strength to make some changes."
A second family member reveals,"My heart is broken over this," adding that, "I hope and pray Josh gets the help he needs. I believe he is getting that help. We had no idea about any of this. We love our family and we are praying for Josh. Thank you for all the prayers and support of all the friends and fans."
The first quote sounds like something Jessa or Jill would say. Seems like the Duggar agenda now is to throw Josh under the bus, so that they can get their show back on the air.
Funny how the molestation was just a "mild thing", but the latest scandal has "broken" the family.
The mills of justice grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine.
http://pagesix.com/2015/08/28/polish-court-sets-roman-polanski-extradition-hearing/?_ga=1.60717289.539642922.1440780030
People tell all (rolling eyes)
http://www.people.com/article/anna-duggar-josh-duggar-why-she-married-knowing-molestation-scandal
According to her father, King David had an affair. Yep, if the Bible tells them it's all ok. Creepy and crazy.
OrangeCrusher1
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Oh of course. Who could forget the old biblical David and Bathsheba affair? This mess should go away now. What a relief.
BTW, what's the plural form of Bathsheba?
Anyone?
Bueller?
I would love someone with credentials like Dr. Wong on LAOSVU.....
You do know that he's only a character on a TV show and just says what is written for him right? In real life things aren't quite that simple.
Sue
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No I don't think she does
FRANK
According to her father, King David had an affair.
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Yes, he did. That affair led to more than tears. Even though David confessed to his infidelity with Uriah's wife, he still paid a huge price. First, the child he had with Bathsheba died as an infant and later, David's older son Absolom took revenge on his father by publicly raping several of his father's concubine. Every bit of this was seen as God's response to David's affair with Bathsheba.
Oh, plus the arranged battle death of Uriah the Hittite as David tried to cover up his sin was another consequence of the affair. God didn't do that, though. That was all David's sordid plan.
What a woeful mess, just because David could not control his impulses.
Is this really the Biblical reference they want to be using? I think not.
http://www.etonline.com/news/170797_josh_duggar_extended_family_member_i_hope_he_gets_broken_rehab/
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Interesting that the "family members" use the term "broken" for what has to happen to Josh for him to get better.
Maybe that's their term for "rock bottom".
If this isn't Josh's bottom, nothing will be.
I can believe the family was shocked. People lead double lives all the time and you just never know.
Yet, there were warning signs. I mean 5, count 'em, 5 girls were molested by Josh, so...
I do feel a little sorry for Anna. She has to deal with the whole cheating thing, but from what else we can tell she is dealing with people telling her to leave, people telling her to stay. I do hope she has a real license therapist and not just someone from the church telling her what to do.
From experience, to forgive someone for cheating is a very big hurtle, to actually recover and heal from it is a much larger hurdle. I tried with my first marriage to get past it, but did not happen. I was lucky enough to have family support whatever my decision was. Though later I did find out they were thrilled when I choose to leave. Anna must be very torn and not being able to think for herself because of "outside" forces makes it even harder.
Sorry for the long post and going a little OT. I will crawl back under the veranda and look for straws now.
I wonder if Jimboob and Michelle are upset with Josh because he took their easy money livelihood from them and not so much the sex deviance that has torn his marriage apart. I would not trust him around his own children and I hope Anna does not have an STD on account of this slime ball.
Seems like the Duggar agenda now is to throw Josh under the bus, so that they can get their show back on the air.
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They'd like that, wouldn't they. Too bad for them because I think the photo at the top of this thread is Jim Bob and Michelle waving "bye-bye".
Interesting.
http://www.fatalistpublicfigure.com/2366980/josh-duggar-could-lose-kids-to-foster-care/
Amy might have given the first statement. She grew up with Josh almost as if he was a brother rather than cousin.
The second person sounds like someone in the periphery, maybe Anna's sister or one of Michelle's siblings. I don't know, but neither statement sounds to me like it came from any of the 18 siblings.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 23
We've heard "Duggarspeak," and it involved plenty of minimizing
and omission and whitewashing. So who's to say they didn't
just tell Anna, "Josh did some experimenting as a boy, but he
came to us to ask forgiveness, and that behavior is long behind
him." Period. That may have been the entire conversation.
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I agree. I think whatever Anna and her family were told, it was very vague and understated. She may have been told he "had impure thoughts" or "was tempted", and that was it.
The first quote sounds like something Jessa or Jill would say. Seems like the Duggar agenda now is to throw Josh under the bus, so that they can get their show back on the air.
Funny how the molestation was just a "mild thing", but the latest scandal has "broken" the family.
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Geepers. Like I said, this is far more upsetting to them than little children being molested. That was just a childhood mistake, like running in the house and falling and breaking your arm.
One of them even seems to be implying Anna might make different choices other than being the dutiful wife. Yikes, that's a new one.
Of course according to Kaya these are just "anonymous" sources since the family reps didn't say their names.
Anyone with basic critical thinking skills thinks so!
Jim Boob is a homophobic, xenophobic bigot of the highest order and has indoctrinated a culture of fear in his family.
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Yes, and he's not the only one. It seems like the men in these religious cults are all the same. They need to rule over the women, denying them even the smallest amounts of freedom, convince them they are easy targets for Satan, keep them pregnant throughout their childbearing years and in many cases have sex outside of their marriage, some very perverted as in pedophilia.
Rhymes with Witch said... 37
I'm still wondering if sheeple is singular or plural or both. 34
I've always thought both, like deer.
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I think you're right. Logically it should be plural and the singular should be "sherson". Sherson is in the urban dictionary, but I've never heard it used. But then, I don't visit a lot of sites that use the term "sheeple".
Where do you come up with half this stuff, I do not know. The girl's room is NOT connected to Jim Bob's and Michelle's room.
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Actually according to this explanation of the layout, it is.
You have to go through the parents' bedroom to get to the girls'.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-sex-abuse-scandal-house-layout-separates-josh-girls-rooms/
Oh, and, the Duggars will drop Josh like a hot potato if they think they need to do that to keep the money train going.
They know a lot of old testament fire and brimstone but are conveniently ignoring the prodigal son story.
Ampersmom (#46), thanks for commenting from your unique
perspective, and it was most certainly on topic!
No mention of therapy. Just hard work and prayer.
http://pagesix.com/2015/08/28/inside-josh-duggars-rehab-facility/?_ga=1.191147050.1624395040.1430609180
They know a lot of old testament fire and brimstone but are conveniently ignoring the prodigal son story.
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The Duggars thought the public was forgetting it.
The Prodigal Son parable was the basis for the Duggar's original statements about forgiving the wayward child. They had all received the repentant one with open arms, weeping and rejoicing. While some might not like the lack of repercussions, (ie: the older brother in the parable), the father's forgiving heart welcomes the sinner home with full honor, and fully expects everyone else to do the same.
I can imagine the Good Samaritan and the Prodigal Son are taught from the cradle in their house. All the parents would have to do is remind their children of the story and the point would be driven home. Forgive and be quiet about it.
I can't remember mention of a fatted calf in the Duggar situation. (smile)
Jane said... 58
No mention of therapy. Just hard work and prayer.
http://pagesix.com/2015/08/28/inside-josh-duggars-rehab-facility/?_ga=1.191147050.1624395040.1430609180
"Duggar can get used to sleeping alone for quite some time. Only until he’s successfully completed 60 days of treatment would his wife of seven years, Anna, be allowed for an overnight visit."
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After 60 days Anna can sleep over!! Yay! Maybe she'll get pregnant, too. Yay!!
"The former conservative lobbyist could spend 40 hours a week doing laundry, preparing meals or cleaning the facility."
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Oh noooo! He's going to be doing woman's work. That should get him back on the straight and narrow path.
In order to access the girls' room the boys have to go PAST their parents master suite and past Michelle's office not through it. I believe these two rooms are off limits to the kids. The room is also accessed by a staircase located in the living room and a cat walk that people can see who is going to and from the room. It is also locked when the girls are in there. What a dangerous thing to do. I never understood why they had 10 kids of all different ages in each room in that huge house.
Also, the kids cannot play with the opposite sex, no boys can babysit, no socializing period. What a way to live and screw up all those kids.
FlimsyFlamsy, I agree with you, Ampersmom's post was great.
FRANK said... 43
I would love someone with credentials like Dr. Wong on LAOSVU.....
You do know that he's only a character on a TV show and just says what is written for him right? In real life things aren't quite that simple.
Sue
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No I don't think she does
FRANK
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FRANK, um...Yes, I do know it is a character. I posted after it was brought up that it was wishful thinking. Can't someone be allowed to post wishful thinking?
Have a scoop of ice cream, my treat.
Yes, Admin, thank you.
The girls have to walk through Jim Bob and Michelle's room to get to their one room.
So creepy. I remember on the show when Jill was getting married and Jim Bob was standing outside the door of the girls room and he was in like a trance and was talking about seeing Jill sitting on the side of the bed and it was just weird.
Also, if they live in the city limits of a town, isn't there ordinances in place that you have to go by for occupancy? Surely a building inspector signed off on the "moat" and almost a dozen girls in one room?
Very good article and very disturbing!
http://www.yourtango.com/2015280119/my-ex-was-raised-like-josh-duggar-and-he-turned-out-the-same
(Leslie)
If Cara colored her hair at home then so be it. I personally do not think it goes with her complexion. But she is young and experimenting.
But if Kate took her to a salon and paid to have her hair colored then that is ridiculous. She has 8 kids. She is going to be paying that kind of money on all her kids hair. And a 14 years old had no business going to a salon to have a professional hair dye just to go to school.
I've never watched the Duggar show so I have to wonder if the rules about no socializing of the girls and boys, the no playing together, etc. came into affect after Josh was found to be molesting his sisters. Because if these rules were in affect before the molestation, then there shouldn't have been any contact. I have to think the father came up with this segregation of the sexes after he knew the girls had been violated.
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I've never watched the Duggar show so I have to wonder if the rules about no socializing of the girls and boys, the no playing together, etc. came into affect after Josh was found to be molesting his sisters.
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Which begs the question did their strict upbringing encourage deviant behavior. Had they been more open about sexuality would Josh have been more likely to have acted out his impulses in more appropriate ways that didn't hurt others.
The segregation of the kids came after the molestation of the girls. The "dormitories" were set up when they built the new house which was also after the molestation. The boys room is on one side of the house and the girls room on the other side. What a way to live.
foxy said... 47
I wonder if Jimboob and Michelle are upset with Josh because he took their easy money livelihood from them and not so much the sex deviance that has torn his marriage apart. I would not trust him around his own children and I hope Anna does not have an STD on account of this slime ball.
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I bet Jim Boob is gobsmacked that his empire has crumbled to the ground. He mocked those who thought they could stop him and his show.
Mocked them.
I think Jim Boob went into that interview with Megyn Kelly thinking he could right the ship when all he was doing was rearranging the deck chairs.
And the band played on...
The segregation of the kids came after the molestation of the girls. The "dormitories" were set up when they built the new house which was also after the molestation. The boys room is on one side of the house and the girls room on the other side. What a way to live.
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My biggest concern with this setup, other than not being assured it even protects anyone in the first place (obviously it didn't. sexual abuse can happen anywhere and in this case it did, on a couch and in the laundry room.) But my big concern is that this makes the innocent girls feel like they did something wrong and shameful and must be hidden away. And that it makes the innocent boys who don't have sexual problems feel like THEY did something wrong or could do something wrong, and can't be trusted to be around their own sisters. It seems healthier for everyone for the offending child to be removed from the home, perhaps permanently, rather than to make all the other innocent children feel guilty.
So The Boob side hugs the girls/not the boys. Does Baby side hug the girls and boys? Or just the girls?
http://www.fatalistpublicfigure.com/2366980/josh-duggar-could-lose-kids-to-foster-care/
Interesting when you view all the possible crime/violations etc all together.
So many "stars" make a B-line straight to rehab when they think it might mitigate charges or punishment by the law.
Sue_Buddy said... 61
"The former conservative lobbyist could spend 40 hours a week doing laundry, preparing meals or cleaning the facility."
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Oh noooo! He's going to be doing woman's work. That should get him back on the straight and narrow path.
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You know it!
Which begs the question did their strict upbringing encourage deviant behavior. Had they been more open about sexuality would Josh have been more likely to have acted out his impulses in more appropriate ways that didn't hurt others.
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Seems to me to be a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts. Parents don't trust their kids to handle any potentially sexual situation, so the kids grow up thinking why not? They got no skills anyway, so why not?
They indeed are unable to handle themselves, just as Mommy and Daddy said.
BTW, how creepy is it that parents won't allow opposite sex siblings to play together or be alone together?
Who even thinks like that?!
Tucker's Mom (#71), didn't JB say something about their
critics like, "They're only making us stronger?" Oy gevalt,
did he get that one wrong! Dude had no clue his empire
could come crumbling down in a matter of months.
I love BD Wong. He was just in Jurassic World.
It was partly because I played with both boys and girls as a child that I have some understanding of both. Of course my sisters paved the way for me learning some things, but my brother also taught me a lot about who boys are. My friends did the same for me. To have been cut off from play with them would have stifled my growth very much.
If any one of us had been involved with younger siblings or other children, there would have been no question. My parents would have removed the offender. Even back in the 1950's and '60s. Military schools and reform schools were the places kids with serious problems that standard measures would not answer, went. One of my friends had a brother, a beloved son, who was shipped off to military school when he was very young. Nobody said why, but I can guess. This was the same friend of mine who knew more about sex at the age of 10 than I do now in my 60's. I have often wondered about all that.
It was partly because I played with both boys and girls as a child that I have some understanding of both. Of course my sisters paved the way for me learning some things, but my brother also taught me a lot about who boys are. My friends did the same for me. To have been cut off from play with them would have stifled my growth very much.
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Absolutely. In fact it's normal for young children to play with boys or girls indiscriminately. Most kids in kindergarten, first grade, will happily play with either gender. It isn't until you get a little older the girls tend to seek out girls and boys the boys. Even then most kids will still have a few friends of the opposite sex and by the time high school hits they're back to wanting to hang out with the opposite sex just as much as their own sex. To stifle a child from having normal relationships with the opposite sex is not healthy.
So I take it the Duggar's special about sex abuse is still airing on Sun. night? What a joke. Can TLC get any lower?
FlimsyFlamsy said... 77
Tucker's Mom (#71), didn't JB say something about their
critics like, "They're only making us stronger?" Oy gevalt,
did he get that one wrong! Dude had no clue his empire
could come crumbling down in a matter of months.
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Yes, JB taunted the lgbt community by telling them that their protestations and attempts to stop his show was only giving them more followers.
This was the same friend of mine who knew more about sex at the age of 10 than I do now in my 60's. I have often wondered about all that.
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I had a friend that along with her older sister, were very sexually forward and active with older guys. All these years later, I wonder if their dad molested them.
Looking back, some things make sense.
Sue_Buddy said... 81
So I take it the Duggar's special about sex abuse is still airing on Sun. night? What a joke. Can TLC get any lower?
August 28, 2015 at 2:13 PM
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The context under which Josh's sisters and TLC filmed them has completely changed.
Now, we see evidence of someone with possible mental issues and a history of abusing women.
This has come a loooooooong was from "hormonal, curious" Joshie.
My sister (the interior designer) had the pleasure of helping BD Wong and his boyfriend when he came into the Manhattan CB2 she worked during her years at school.
I know it's Cosmo, but good article
http://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/books/q-and-a/a41047/growing-up-quiverfull-interview/
Interesting article about TLC and the "Breaking Silence" special. One of the people interviewed for the article states that the only reason TLC is having this special is to make themselves look like they care, but in reality they probably don't expect anyone to watch it.
"Now in the wake of its latest scandal with the Duggar family, TLC is airing a special on sexual abuse. But will the special be enough to help the network bounce back from yet another reality family scandal?
“TLC is obviously trying to save face with this special, and I am sure something good will come out of it, but it’s not enough to save the network,” pop culture expert Cate Meighan predicted.
Meighan said the network needs to fix internal issues to avoid future scandals.
Meighan added the shows at the network “kind of became a carnival sideshow” in recent years, drifting TLC farther away from its Learning Channel name.
“Something good comes out of their shows—you may have to squint to see it—but it is there, but these scandals have been devastating for the network,” she noted. “And it’s costing them now.”
Meighan noted that TLC’s sexual abuse documentary, “Breaking the Silence” airs on Aug. 30 as the attention-grabbing VMAs will be airing on MTV.
“The timing might not be coincidental,” she said. “It’s not a topic that they wanted to approach because it had become a scandal within the network. It might be something that’s it is there, but they are hoping that people are missing it.”
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/08/28/will-tlcs-sex-abuse-documentary-help-network-recover/
"Kids think fun can't equal bad," he continued, arguing that stronger education on sin might help prevent sexual issues. "It needs to be known that sin is so wicked, that for a while it may be fun, but it always ends in destruction."
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NO, no NO!! Just no!
http://www.etonline.com/news/170875_josh_duggar_reported_christian_rehab_center_explains_their_process_our_prayers_are_with_them/
Sorry Leslie but I have to disagree about the hair. Better to have it done in a salon and have it done right than to do it at home and possibly ruin your hair. To achieve that look she would have had to have her hair stripped of its natural color and then have color and toner put on. Not easy to do at home. TFW has the money, so why not. I just don't want to hear her complain about piecing and patching. Of course, as someone mentioned, this could have been part of the spa day filming and TLC paid.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-sex-scandal-backlash-women-protest-jessa-duggar-public-appearance/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=JessaDuggarSexScandalBacklash
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So I take it the Duggar's special about sex abuse is still airing on Sun. night? What a joke. Can TLC get any lower?
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Give 'em a week. They'll drag something out of the dumpster.
NJGal51 said... 89
...TFW has the money, so why not. I just don't want to hear her complain about piecing and patching. Of course, as someone mentioned, this could have been part of the spa day filming and TLC paid.
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And if Kate DID pay for it...well, I view it that as Cara's money, not Kate's.
“TLC is obviously trying to save face with this special, and I am sure something good will come out of it, but it’s not enough to save the network,” pop culture expert Cate Meighan predicted.
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There is no salvation for tlc. They dug themselves into this hole and they can damn well stay down there and bury themselves in it. They've been trash tv since the day they hired Eileen O'Neill.
I know that in different regions of the country people express themselves differently. Here in NJ we tend to just tell it like it is (read blunt) So, when I read the statements by JimBob, Michelle and family members it struck me as odd.
All their sentences contained the words I, me, us. They talked about how it affected them. I don't know anyone who has addressed the addiction that Josh has, but friends and family have addressed relatives that have had other addiction problems. Their statements were all about the other person, hoping for them to get the best result from treatment, consequences they deserve that might stop future behavior or telling of the struggle the person was going through or sharing hope, love and compassion for them.
Is this just a different way to express oneself, or is it odd to sound so self centered? I read it as Josh has a problem but poor, poor me this makes me miserable. They sound like they are the victims. Am I reading it wrong?
Also I think they chose the word broken because soon they can say he is fixed and no longer broken. Done! All better. If they use a different word then they will be stating what many here believe that this type of problem is often not curable, sometime controllable but not curable.
Is this just a different way to express oneself, or is it odd to sound so self centered?
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I don't think it's regional. I think everything they say is extremely self centered. There is little to no acknowledgement of the victims in all this. The victims are minimized. Most of their statements are all about Josh, or about how Josh hurt THEM, the parents. They're not really the victims here, but they don't get that either.
For them, this really is all about Josh and how he f-ed up their money train. They really aren't grasping how much bigger this is than their precious little TLC paychecks.
Sorry Leslie but I have to disagree about the hair. Better to have it done in a salon and have it done right than to do it at home and possibly ruin your hair.
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I agree! This is not something that can be done at home, especially not with Cara's dark hair. It needs stripping, processing, and with any kind of do-it-yourself job she could end up with pink or orange hair. This requires a professional colorist. If you do it at home and screw it up, you have to go to a salon to get it fixed. Why not get it done right the first time?
Perhaps Cara is the only one who wants her hair colored. She's a teen, soon to be 15. Kids that age go to salons, and Cara has worked. If she wants to pay for a professional to color her hair, then that's her choice. Let her do it.
I don't have Twitter. Do anyone have a link to Kate's Twitter in real time? My computer's acting up and I can't seem to get through. Thanks!
Redbird said, "The girls have to walk through Jim Bob and Michelle's room to get to their one room. "
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What? I never watched the show. They had to go through their bedroom? What if JB and Babytalk were, um...working on Number 20? How in the world did that work out for them?
I think you're right. Logically it should be plural and the singular should be "sherson". Sherson is in the urban dictionary, but I've never heard it used. But then, I don't visit a lot of sites that use the term "sheeple".
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I'm thinking about changing my name to Sheepless In Seattle, since so many of them are leaving the flock. I'll try it out.
Anything on Gladys?
This is for the bird lovers on the Veranda.
http://www.al.com/news/birmingham/index.ssf/2015/08/birmingham_zoo_bird_aviary_mig.html
Admin said...
Most of their statements are all about Josh, or about how Josh hurt THEM, the parents. They're not really the victims here, but they don't get that either
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Gee, who does that sound like? They took a page out of sKate's handbook.
Vanessa said...
Also I think they chose the word broken because soon they can say he is fixed and no longer broken. Done! All better.
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I hope they do get him fixed. Maybe he'll stop humping every leg he gets close to.
The Radar article strongly implies the girls bedroom must be entered from the parents' room.
Quote: "To further ensure there wouldn’t be any foul play, Jim Bob and Michelle also placed their master suite in front of the girls’ room, as a “barricade” of sorts."
The implication from that sentence is not that you had to PASS their room to get to the girls room, or they configured their bedroom NEXT to the girls' room, but rather it was in FRONT of the girls room as a barricade.
That may or may not be the case, perhaps Radar misunderstood the configuration or overemphasized the fact that the parents' room was actually just NEXT to the girls and you had to PASS it. But I will defend Redbird on this one for interpreting it the way she did. Because the way it sounds to me, one bedroom is in "front" of the other. They didn't say you had to pass it, they said it's a BARRICADE. A bedroom you simply have to pass to get to the next room is hardly a barricade, that's a silly exaggeration.
Again, we could be totally wrong and we're misunderstanding what Radar is explaining. But we're not stupid for interpreting it this way. In fact, it's the logical way to interpret it.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-sex-abuse-scandal-house-layout-separates-josh-girls-rooms/
I have to add my here here to the ridiculous notion that Josh will go to a faith-based religious rehab.
Hold on a second here. If religion is the key to getting out of this mess where the heck was it when he was getting in.
No pun intended.
Again, we could be totally wrong and we're misunderstanding what Radar is explaining. But we're not stupid for interpreting it this way. In fact, it's the logical way to interpret it.
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Could it be that it is in front off the master bedroom, and within that master bedroom there is a hallway that you have to go through in order to get to the girls' bedroom? In that way it is a barricade of sorts, but you really don't have to actually go through the master bedroom to get there and the parents could close it off when they wanted to? That would give the parents privacy, but when the girls wanted to access their room, they'd walk through a hallway in the master bedroom.
Just thinking.
Sheepless In Seattle said... 98
I'm thinking about changing my name to Sheepless In Seattle, since so many of them are leaving the flock. I'll try it out.
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Love it.
I hope they do get him fixed. Maybe he'll stop humping every leg he gets close to.
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Neutering would be good, but how will he get those 20 kids in 20 years?
Wow. This is the conference where the Duggar girl is speaking on Saturday. There have been some protests of her appearance.
Ironically, their promo piece for the conference bears a striking resemblance to the Ashely Madison ads.
https://www.facebook.com/southernwomensshowbirmingham/photos/a.130218541879.105021.104101231879/10153574381371880/?type=1&theater
https://www.ashleymadison.com/
Oh, my! Jim Bob's cookies keep crumbling!
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2015/aug/27/foia-lawsuit-aeeks-duggar-911-call-info/
By the way I don't know if anyone mentioned the AM CEO and founder stepped down.
It could be that, who knows. Radar didn't explain it clearly that's for darn sure.
One of the many things that bother me is the Duggar's characterization a of Jish's behavior as a cad choice. Addiction is not a choice--it is a disease that is characterized by compulsive behaviors or use of substances. In the beginning of an addiction, there may have been some choices made, but now, 10 years in, there is very little choice.
This is the same time of minimization that they employed around the molestations. The very first step in the recovery process is the full realization of their own powerlessness over the addiction and the unmanageability that it causes, characterizing behaviors as a choice is detrimental.
Google the floor plan for the Duggars' house and you will see a small hallway that separates the Master bedroom and Michelle's office then leads to the girls dorm. Whoever would go past the master bedroom would be heard and seen. You can also get to the girls room from the staircase in the living room. Again you would be able to see everyone who used that stairway and that half of the cat walk even from the kitchen. When they first mived in to that 7,000 sq. ft. home they gave a tour for their "fans" on one f the episodes.
Radar made it sound like they all have to pass through the master but that is not the case. It has one door to enter and exit like most homes have on bedrooms.
I don't think Jimboob would appreciate being interrupted with 9 girls parading through his bedroom when he is "in the moment".
Radar made it sound like they all have to pass through the master but that is not the case. It has one door to enter and exit like most homes have on bedrooms.
I don't think Jimboob would appreciate being interrupted with 9 girls parading through his bedroom when he is "in the moment".
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Thanks foxy. That's what I figured.
"I don't think Jimboob would appreciate being interrupted with 9 girls parading through his bedroom when he is "in the moment"."
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Which is probably 24/7.
Admin. at #101
Would you take a virtual strawberry salad as a thank you for the pro-bono work? haha
Looks like you might have to consider opening a 15 Minutes, Duggar Style! Unfortunately.
I understood that the parents' bedroom is a suite. There would be plenty of room for a closed off bedroom, a sitting room which the girls walk through, and Michelle's office in that sitting room. The article I remember reading emphasized that getting by Michelle's office unnoticed would be very difficult.
I also remember one episode where Michelle was packing on the bed. The bedroom was strangely small, making the idea of a large sitting room all the more plausible.
Remember at the Andrews Ave. house how Mady and Cara had to go through the little girls' room to get to their new room? The room was big enough to have the bedroom on one side and a playroom on the other. Mady and Cara just walked across the middle. That's what I think this is like, only with a door on the bedroom area.
The other descriptions make more sense. It's too bad Radar couldnt' explain it that clearly.
In any case, barricade is a fair enough word. It made it hard for the boys to get to the girls. Now how that works in other areas of the house like the laundry room, where another incident occurred, I guess they didn't think of.
Ex Nurse said... 110
One of the many things that bother me is the Duggar's characterization a of Jish's behavior as a cad choice. Addiction is not a choice--it is a disease that is characterized by compulsive behaviors or use of substances. In the beginning of an addiction, there may have been some choices made, but now, 10 years in, there is very little choice.
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I have the opposite reaction. I think screaming "addiction" without any clinical assessment minimizes his actions. How do we know he's really an addict? Maybe he's just a jerk.
Assuming he is an addict doesn't absolve him of responsibility for his actions. Many addicts make the choice to seek treatment. He did not...until he was caught. (And I wouldn't call what he is doing "treatment" but in his mind it probably is.)
Sheepless in Seattle! Love it!
I kind of had a similar reaction to the idea that this is just an addiction out of his control. I really don't know enough about the science of addiction to say for sure though. I'm guilty of calling it an addiction, but whether she has actually had a choice in the matter I tend to think he did. based on his statements and attitudes it kind of sounds to me like he knew exactly what he was doing but simply chose not to stop. Whether that's the case for everyone in his shoes I have no idea.
How do we know he's really an addict? Maybe he's just a jerk.
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Couldn't he be both? I don't think they're mutually exclusive.
kaya said....
Assuming he is an addict doesn't absolve him of responsibility for his actions. Many addicts make the choice to seek treatment. He did not...until he was caught. (And I wouldn't call what he is doing "treatment" but in his mind it probably is.)
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Saying he is an addict doesn't absolve anyone of anything. I am speaking in recovery terms--to qualify for a 12 step program, you do not need a professional assessment. The guideline (in recovery language, the tradition) for qualifying for a 12 step program is that you say you do. I don't think you addressed my point, which is that the first step in recovery is to admit that you are powerless over a behavior or substance, and that your life is unmanageable. Taking responsibility is a little further down the line, but it absolutely what recovery is about. The later steps deal with a thorough inventory of character defects and making amends to those who have been injured.
There is a different language in recovery than therapy, so if you are not familiar with recovery, I can see why you came to that conclusion.
I'm sot going to argue with you--you are entitled to your opinion.
Kaya said....
Many addicts make the choice to seek treatment...maybe he is just a jerk.
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Yes, when they hit bottom on their own, or hit bottom because they are discovered--as Josh has. As shocking as the revelations may be they are pretty much textbook behavior of someone who has an addiction, which is always progressive. In order to experience the high, the behavior progresses in terms of frequency and intensity--exactly like heroin or alcohol. The physiology of sex addiction and other behavioral addictions is exactly the same as substance abuse. People who recognize a problem and seek treatment before their lives are out of control, have lost relationships or jobs, or been discovered, are probably not addicted. Addicts do everything to cover up and protect their addiction.
Here's an excellent article on the layout of the Duggars house, complete with a second-floor floor plan and pictures.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3111089/How-Duggars-built-custom-home-family-molestation-girls-bedroom-blocked-master-suite-boys-room-molester-son-Josh-slept-house-catwalk.html
There are two routes to the girls bedroom: directly via a spiral staircase or: up the main staircase (that goes to the hallway outside the boys' bedroom), then over a catwalk that is open to the living room below, then through a hallway that goes through the "master suite". That hallway through the master suite goes between the master bedroom and some other rooms, including Michelle's office.
Read the article for more details.
Incidentally, while I was typing my previous comment, autocorrect tried to change a "spiral staircase" to a "spiritual staircase". Maybe it knew I was writing about the Duggars!
And here's a more detailed floor plan of the Duggar's house, showing the location of the spiral/spiritual staircase. The odd thing about it that I can't see how JB and M get into their bedroom! Oh, well.
Susie Cincinnati said... 119
How do we know he's really an addict? Maybe he's just a jerk.
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Couldn't he be both? I don't think they're mutually exclusive.
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Of course. I didn't say they were mutually exclusive. He could be an addict. He could be a jerk. He could be a jerk who is an addict.
(Leslie)
Franchisee Claims Jared Fogle Told Her He Had Sex with Children as Young as 9 in Thailand – and She Alerted Company but It Did Nothing
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Why didn't she notify the police herself. She had texts to prove it or at least get an investigation started. She said this happened in 2008. Think of all the little girls she could have saved from this monster. So what she hired an attorney. Couldn't the attorney notify the police? This really upsets me. Admin., could this lady be held responsible for not contacting the police? The hell with Subway.Yes, they were wrong if this was true. Again, she knew and she let it continue to happen by not notifying the police.
(Leslie)
I didn't even think about Cara having her own money for a salon. I was just thinking about poor Kate piecing and patching.
(Leslie)
I have a weird question. Is having dark roots in? And I am not talking about that Ombre hair coloring. For instance, I have seen on tv many ladies that wear wigs literally put dark roots on their very blonde wigs. What gives? And also some tv personalities or tv newscasters have dark roots on their blonde hair. I mean I would think these folks would have great access to hair colorists...many may even have them on staff at their jobs.
I am speaking in recovery terms--to qualify for a 12 step program, you do not need a professional assessment. The guideline (in recovery language, the tradition) for qualifying for a 12 step program is that you say you do.
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Qualifying for a recovery program and being an addict are not one and the same. If the argument is that addiction is a disease (and I'm not saying it isn't), then one should be diagnosed with an addiction by a professional just as one is diagnosed with diabetes or any other disease.
There are something like 33 million accounts on Ashley Madison. Every one of them can blame "sex addiction" but that doesn't mean it's true. It's become commonplace for the rich and famous to head to "sex rehab" when caught cheating. I happen to think you can be an egomaniac who gets off on power and access without being a sex addict.
I thought calling what Josh has done an addiction was a cop out too. All of a sudden, men behaving badly is an addiction? Serial cheaters are addicts? Maybe they're just pigs with power and money. Tiger Woods? David Duchovny? Bill Clinton? Bill Cosby must be a sex addict. Nobody is wanting him to go to rehab, they want him to go to jail.
Are prisons full of crime addicts? Is being a serial killer an addiction? Should serial killers be in rehab?
I'm not buying it.
I have the opposite reaction. I think screaming "addiction" without any clinical assessment minimizes his actions. How do we know he's really an addict? Maybe he's just a jerk.
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I'm not a professional when it comes to this, but it seems to me that Josh may have some sort of pathology.
When I look at the fact that he preyed upon his little sisters, as little as 5, there is something way beyond the pale there.
He was found out, knew it was wrong, but continued with a total of 5 girls assaulted, and that's as far as we know.
Again, it blows my MIND how this was minimized by his parents, sisters and worst of all, a "journalist".
Josh's behavior was not a hormonal boy "experimenting" or playing doctor. It was predatory.
Yet, Josh got a good ol' boy slap on the back by Pa Duggar when he went off to deflower his bride and begin a life where he was free to climb on top of his wife whenever he wanted and knock her up as much as he wanted.
Yet, that wasn't enough for him...
You have to wonder what underlies that and if it goes beyond just being a scumbag.
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/08/28/the-ashley-madison-hack-may-have-exposed-at-least-400-hypocritical-church-leaders/
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Don't know how he knows it's 400, but good commentary
http://m.mic.com/articles/119098/inside-the-christian-cult-that-told-the-duggars-to-blame-their-daughters-for-their-abuse
(Leslie)
then over a catwalk that is open to the living room below, then through a hallway that goes through the "master suite". That hallway through the master suite goes between the master bedroom and some other rooms, including Michelle's office.
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The hallway does not go through the master suite. The master suite is juar the bedroom and the connecting bath and closet. The tv show has shown this small master bedroom and bath numerous times. There is no hallway going through it. The hallway is outside the master bedroom& bath. Just like any other home that has a hallway outside of a bedroom. Michelle's office is on the opposite side of the master bedroom. So her office is not part of the master suite. To be part of the master suite it would have to be in or connected to the master bedroom and it is not.
Vanessa said... 132
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/08/28/the-ashley-madison-hack-may-have-exposed-at-least-400-hypocritical-church-leaders/
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Thanks, Vanessa, I agree. I think it's an excellent article.
(Leslie)
I disagree that the addictinginfo article is good commentary or an excellent article. I read it appears; predicts; might; estimate. All words that have zero facts. It sounds like this author is simply guessing and has no facts.
And he bases the article on this: "Based on my conversations with leaders from several denominations in the U.S. and Canada, I estimate that at least 400 church leaders (pastors, elders, staff, deacons, etc.) will be resigning Sunday." So hundreds of church leaders have contacted their denomination's head and told them they appeared on the list and will be resigning this Sunday? I doubt it.
I have not heard of any leaders of any church resigning. Of course out of 30 million I do not doubt there were many leaders that signed up. I just think this article is baloney. Gee, I could have wrote it for it had no facts whatsoever.
I guess we will know shortly. Because if 400 church leaders take to their pulpits I am sure we will hear about it.
Actually according to this explanation of the layout, it is.
You have to go through the parents' bedroom to get to the girls'.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-sex-abuse-scandal-house-layout-separates-josh-girls-rooms
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Have you ever seen the show? I watched it for years. The girl's room was shown a million times. Them walking in off the open hallway. The parent's bedroom is at the top of the stairs, yes, a couple of closets, and then a separate and unique door for the girls room.
Don't take Radar's graphic as gospel. Sheesh.
Opal
Don't take Radar's graphic as gospel. Sheesh.
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Sheesh? I DIDN'T take Radar's explanation as gospel. In fact I clearly stated that Radar might be explaining it incorrectly or in a confusing way, and that it very well could be something completely differently.
I was merely pointing out that there was a source out there describing it a certain way and that therefore if someone said it was that way, they didn't dream it up out of thin air like some idiot, as implied.
Others more familiar with the show explained the layout much better than Radar did, and I at once said that actually makes more sense. No sheeshing about it.
There was a guy who designed blueprints of famous TV sitcom
houses of the 50's and 60's. Of course those were for fictional
families. But now we have families like the Gosselins and the
Duggars, who've have essentially exposed their homes to
millions of strangers, inviting conversations like this one.
Heck, J&K even did an episode showing the layout of their
house, denoting the time-out areas in each room. I think
some day at least one of those 8 kids will watch a DVD of
that particular show, and feel sick to his/her stomach.
Those anonymous "family" comments sound like Amy Duggar and her mom. Amy was counting on getting a TLC sponsored wedding...she's one unhappy relative right about now.
(Leslie)
http://www.kodiaksteelhomes.com/images/DuggarFloorPlan.pdf
Here is the layout of their home. As you can see the girls can walk from the catwalk, down the hall, into their bedroom. Their parents bedroom is enclosed from this hall. And Radar said: "to further ensure there wouldn’t be any foul play, Jim Bob and Michelle also placed their master suite in front of the girls’ room, as a “barricade” of sorts." That is not true. It is in front of the girls' room but hardly a barricade. I mean if the boys wanted to enter it they simply walk down the catwalk and hall and enter the girls' room.
Being that Josh did attack several sisters, several times I think it was smart to have the boys on one side and the girls' on the other side. Yes, they should have removed him from the home but they did not. I mean if the boys' room was right next to the girls' room and the parent's room on the other side then many would be saying that they can't believe they put the boys and girls room right next to each other.
I guess we will know shortly. Because if 400 church leaders take to their pulpits I am sure we will hear about it.
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Unless the church leaders are well-known evangelists or high up in the diocese, I doubt that all of them will report their exile on social media or in the press.
I guess we will know shortly. Because if 400 church leaders take to their pulpits I am sure we will hear about it.
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Unless the church leaders are well-known evangelists or high up in the diocese, I doubt that all of them will report their exile on social media or in the press.
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Yeah, I think it's another non-starter.
This is the thing. If you want to have an affair it's not illegal. If you want to have an affair with the help of a web site it's not illegal. I really don't think the vast majority of guys on this site need to resign from their jobs or even publicly apologize to anyone but their own families. Even if they're pastors. Pastors are allowed to sin, most of them don't claim not to be sinners.
The problem with Josh always has been he has tried to STOP others from living their lives based on a moral code he preached. He has tried to turn people against others on the basis of morality. Most pastors don't do that. And THAT'S Josh's problem, and if his family doesn't grasp that, which they still don't seem to, then I don't know what to tell them.
If this were Josiah Duggar, I don't think this story would have even half the attention it does. Josiah's never tried to interfere with my life and happiness.
By the way it's come out most women on this site were fake. Very few women had any interest in this site at all. From a company perspective that's a big problem. We're getting into issues of fraud more than anything.
then over a catwalk that is open to the living room below, then through a hallway that goes through the "master suite". That hallway through the master suite goes between the master bedroom and some other rooms, including Michelle's office.
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The hallway does not go through the master suite. The master suite is jar the bedroom and the connecting bath and closet. The tv show has shown this small master bedroom and bath numerous times. There is no hallway going through it. The hallway is outside the master bedroom& bath. Just like any other home that has a hallway outside of a bedroom. Michelle's office is on the opposite side of the master bedroom. So her office is not part of the master suite. To be part of the master suite it would have to be in or connected to the master bedroom and it is not.
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I think that there may be some confusion between the definition of master bedroom and master suite. A suite is a collection of rooms; the master bedroom is just the bedroom, so if Michelle's office is considered part of that "collection" of rooms, then yes, the hallway can go through the master suite without going through the master bedroom.
Yet, that wasn't enough for him...
You have to wonder what underlies that and if it goes beyond just being a scumbag.
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Here's the thing, and there's no way to put it delicately. If his wife was brought up thinking that the wife just lies on her back, missionary position and lets her husband engage in the act while she submits (in a boring way), then maybe he wanted some kinky sex, some experimenting with sex toys, bondage, oral sex and who knows what else. Her "religion" or whatever else you call it might have considered anything other than just lying there to be perverted. The wife wasn't supposed to do those things or she'd be looked like a whore. It seems, though, that he wanted what he considered "wild," and worldly, and whatever her stern upbringing told her just didn't satisfy him.
(Leslie)
Unless the church leaders are well-known evangelists or high up in the diocese, I doubt that all of them will report their exile on social media or in the press.
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True, but I would think that if 400 or even 200 church leaders resigned over the AM site it would be made known. Anyway, that article had no basis and the author was simply guessing. I mean how did he come up with the figure 400 exactly?
Don't take Radar's graphic as gospel. Sheesh.
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Radar posted the layout (graphic) of the house? Do you have a link to ROL's graphic?
(Leslie) said...
I disagree that the addictinginfo article is good commentary or an excellent article. I read it appears; predicts; might; estimate. All words that have zero facts. It sounds like this author is simply guessing and has no facts.
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The author of the article didn't make those claims. He's simply reporting what he's read from other people.
"In a post written for Christianity Today, Stetzer claims he based the number off of conversations he has had with several denominations since the Ashley Madison scandals began to snowball, calling the revelations an “embarrassment for the church.”
Based on my conversations with leaders from several denominations in the U.S. and Canada, I estimate that at least 400 church leaders (pastors, elders, staff, deacons, etc.) will be resigning Sunday. This is a significant moment of embarrassment for the church—and it should be. To be honest, the number of pastors and church leaders on Ashley Madison is much lower than the number of those looking to have an affair."
What I found excellent were comments like:
"Stetzer does go on to caution that while their names may be on the list, it doesn’t mean they have actually committed adultery and pleaded with his readers to seek the truth before confronting anyone.
Indeed, truth and confirmation is very important before ruining the life of someone who may be innocent. Sadly, I don’t recall these “men of God,” especially those in right-wing circles, holding back their vitriol and false accusations against LGBT people in their holy war against same-sex marriage and adoption.
For years, many pastors and religious figures have compared gay people to pedophiles and have cited debunked studies to justify banning same-sex couples from adopting children who need love and a good home. Furthermore, conservative “Christians” have constantly claimed that same-sex marriage harms heterosexual marriages and will cause God to punish America in some way.
Rather than seek the truth themselves or urge their flock to seek the truth that none of these claims are accurate, these “holy men” chose to remain ignorant of those they were hating. And now that many are being revealed as total hypocrites who were the real threat to their own marriages all along, we’re being asked to refrain from calling them out until confirming the truth. Oh, and Stetzer is also urging forgiveness, which is something else I don’t recall any right-wing pastor or church official doing to make amends with the same-sex couples they demonized as sinners.
Apparently they don’t have to turn the other cheek, but for some reason the rest of us are expected to do so, which is why it is doubtful that many church leaders will actually fess up and resign their profitable positions of power.
Why resign when you can claim God forgives you and hope that your gullible congregation buys your pathetic excuse for an apology? Assuming they apologize at all. Because if no one calls them out, they can just get away with it and continue being hypocrites when by all rights they should be booted out of the church permanently."
The Duggar family was just on Say Yes to the Dress to choose that ugly dress for the 25th vow renewal. The smaller kids were running amok, the entire family was there, and Michelle would not allow the consultant in the fitting room for "modesty" reasons. Jimboob wanted puffy sleeves....
This am on the Weather Channel, there was interview with two Salvation Army officers who were talking about hurricane Katrina and their efforts in New Orleans and other cities with refugees from NOLA . It occurred to me, time spend with an agency like that, that serves a very diverse group of those in need anywhere, might be a better place for Josh to serve his exile from the family. That comment someone shared from the Facebook site, that being brought up with these beliefs didn't stop his behavior so why should more of the same change his behavior now, that gets to the heart of what the public sees. Josh in "rehab" now is about the same as helping to build houses when he was a teen. Obviously did not work then.
(Leslie)
A suite is a collection of rooms; the master bedroom is just the bedroom, so if Michelle's office is considered part of that "collection" of rooms, then yes, the hallway can go through the master suite without going through the master bedroom.
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Yes, a master suite can contain many rooms. For instance, an exercise room, reading room, tv room, office, patio, deck, etc. But they have to somehow connect/flow together. That is what makes it a suite. For instance, a hotel suite contains many rooms but they connect in some way or another. You would not say I have a hotel suite with a library room. And then have to exit your hotel room, enter a hallway used by many others, and then enter the library room. I dare say if you rented a hotel suite with a library but you had to exit your hotel room and walk across a public hallway to enter the library you would feel duped and cheated.
The only possible way to enter Michelle's office is to exit the master bedroom/suite and enter the public hallway used by 10 other people. That is not considered a master suite. That is a master bedroom/ suite with a office located across the hallway.
I think there is a difference between an addict and a sociopath. I fear this guy could be the latter. Addicts can get better. Sociopaths, rarely.
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http://m.mic.com/articles/119098/inside-the-christian-cult-that-told-the-duggars-to-blame-their-daughters-for-their-abuse
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"The victim is asked to choose between victimization, or being made "mightier in spirit" by their own abuse. It's the most disgusting game of "Would You Rather" imaginable, and, according to Garrison, a window into the potential reasoning behind Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar's decision to keep their son's horrible secret."
This makes me sick. In Gothard's handout, "Counseling Sexual Abuse"
is the question, "If you had to choose no physical abuse or mighty in Spirit, what would you choose?"
So if someone is abused it makes them mighty in Spirit. What does mighty is Spirit encompass?
Greater faith, spiritual discernment (whatever that means),genuine love, wisdom and understanding, creativity, energy, enthusiasm, joy and inner peace. Don't we all want those things? Let's all choose to get abused. It's the answer to a better life.
I suppose Got-Hard told all the women he fondled, etc. that they would experience inner peace when he was finished with them.
(Leslie) #148
"According to Ed Stetzer, as many as 400 pastors, deacons, elders and church staff members may resign this Sunday after their names surfaced on the list of users revealed in the Ashley Madison hack. Based on my conversations with leaders from several denominations in the U.S. and Canada, I estimate that at least 400 church leaders (pastors, elders, staff, deacons, etc.) will be resigning Sunday. This is a significant moment of embarrassment for the church—and it should be. To be honest, the number of pastors and church leaders on Ashley Madison is much lower than the number of those looking to have an affair.
Again, at least 400 leaders have confessed to their denomination head and the heads disclosed this to Stetzer in? I personally doubt this. The article has five paragraphs bashing Christian leaders. Even Vanessa who posted the article said, "Don't know how he knows it's 400, but good commentary." Well, the whole premise and purpose of the article (read the headline) again is "at least 400" leaders will resign this Sunday in the pulpit. Again, this article is nothing about conjecture and speculation all the while getting in some great bashing against christian leaders. And Stetzer has stated as fact ALREADY (not even Sunday when written) "This is a significant moment of embarrassment for the church—and it should be." Yeah, Stetzer, preach it, you must be a prophet!
I think it depends on what one considers a master suite. My friend just built a new home with the second floor containing four rooms, one a bedroom, one a library, one an office and one an exercise room. There is a hallway leading from the steps to these rooms, and on the architect's blueprints, it is designated as a master suite. The hallway can be used by anyone walking up and down the steps and from room to room. The couple is the only one who uses this area, but it can be accessed by anyone because of the hallway.
But at this point, isn't it kind of a moot point? It's been pointed out that the girls don't have to interrupt Boobers intimate moment and that the girls were separated from the boys. Other that that, is there anything else important about the layout of the house or their previous home? He molested his sisters and he found a way to do it, no matter where anyone was sleeping or sitting on sofas or in the laundry room.
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I think that there may be some confusion between the definition of master bedroom and master suite. A suite is a collection of rooms; the master bedroom is just the bedroom, so if Michelle's office is considered part of that "collection" of rooms, then yes, the hallway can go through the master suite without going through the master bedroom.
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Thank you, that's what I meant. I was basing it on the first floor plan I posted, which was not as detailed as the second. It seemed to label the whole thing the "master suite".
I will bow to Leslie's definition of suite terminology. I did get the details right - the hallway has the master bedroom (with adjacent bath) on one side and Michelle's office on the other, so someone going to the girls' room that way has a good chance of being spotted by Michelle.
I wonder if the girls usually use the spiral staircase. Also, what keeps the boys from using it? It is off the dining room and doesn't seem all that exposed.
So let's see...the Duggars subscribe to the Gothard method of handling sexual abuse and TLC is having a special on Sunday "starring" the Duggars talking about sexual abuse.
Brilliant.
I think there is a difference between an addict and a sociopath. I fear this guy could be the latter. Addicts can get better. Sociopaths, rarely.
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Yes, sadly you are right, and this is what scares the heck out of me. I'd think treatment needs to beyond what is recommended for those with addictive behavior to some kind of evaluation and therapy suggested for psychopaths. Is there a cure, and how would one really know if he is "cured?" Just because he doesn't sign up for any more cheater sites does by no means indicate that perhaps something sinister may occur. I fear for his wife and children. My gut feeling is that he's not going to change because he doesn't see what he did was wrong; his remorse, if that, is because he got caught -- not once, but twice. How much more has he done that's been kept a secret? We'll probably never know.
Jimboob wanted puffy sleeves....
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To match his puffy head and swelled ego, no doubt.
(Leslie)
Why doesn't somebody--anybody--ask Jill, Jessa, or the parents who give plenty of interviews about the Gothard views and beliefs that they follow. Every interview they give is just so vanilla and basically states what you already know or guess about them.
Doesn't the Southern Woman Conference where Jessa and her husband speak regularly have a Q&A session. I wish somebody would ask then. I saw a photo on Southern Woman's facebook page of Jessa and Ben sitting at a table with two huge stacks of photos of a headshot of Jessa. Also they had a smaller stack of photos of the whole Duggar clan.
I thought Jessa claims her mission in life is to spread the gospel. So please tell me how is handing out two huge stacks of her face promoting the gospel. Also she and Ben's tweeter feed has tons of photos of Jessa & Ben posing and mugging for the camera. Gee, it sounds like she is promoting herself and not Jesus Christ. I mean she had lots of photos of her stomach showing every week of her pregnancy. Again, is this not vanity and proclaiming "look at me". And I thought they loved modesty. Well, is repeatedly showing off your stomach size to the world modest. I never saw Michelle do that during all her pregnancies.
(Leslie)
Sue Buddy, your comment was brilliant!
The problem with Josh always has been he has tried to STOP others from living their lives based on a moral code he preached. He has tried to turn people against others on the basis of morality. Most pastors don't do that. And THAT'S Josh's problem, and if his family doesn't grasp that, which they still don't seem to, then I don't know what to tell them.
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This times 1000!
They just don't get it.
No, most people don't hate/dislike you because you're a Christian. They do so because you wield your religious beliefs like a blunt instrument and attempt to suppress others and their rights as an American.
It's like, if you're not a white Christian male, when then, it sucks to be you!
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But at this point, isn't it kind of a moot point? It's been pointed out that the girls don't have to interrupt Boobers intimate moment and that the girls were separated from the boys. Other that that, is there anything else important about the layout of the house or their previous home? He molested his sisters and he found a way to do it, no matter where anyone was sleeping or sitting on sofas or in the laundry room.
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Thank you.
(Leslie)
And why doesn't any interviewer ask Jill, Jessa, or the parents about why they had this book on their website at one time. Michael and Debi Pearl, the authors of the manual “To Train Up a Child” despite the fact that the Pearls have zero background in psychology or child development, their book is a big hit in some fundamentalist Christian circles. Besides blanket training, the Pearls advocate other austere disciplinary methods, such as beating children with belts and paddles, withholding food as a punishment, and hosing down children when they have toilet training accidents. Tragically, some of the methods espoused in the book have been linked to the deaths of several children.There is a screenshot taken from their website promoting this book.
Here's the thing, and there's no way to put it delicately. If his wife was brought up thinking that the wife just lies on her back, missionary position and lets her husband engage in the act while she submits (in a boring way), then maybe he wanted some kinky sex, some experimenting with sex toys, bondage, oral sex and who knows what else. Her "religion" or whatever else you call it might have considered anything other than just lying there to be perverted. The wife wasn't supposed to do those things or she'd be looked like a whore. It seems, though, that he wanted what he considered "wild," and worldly, and whatever her stern upbringing told her just didn't satisfy him.
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Reminds me of Big Love, when Nicky saw her husband Bill with another sister wife and she was flabbergasted that they were doing things she was taught women NEVER do!
Sue_Buddy said... 154
I suppose Got-Hard told all the women he fondled, etc. that they would experience inner peace when he was finished with them.
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Was he *that* good? Did the earth move for them? He probably laughed and thought..."well, I got my own piece."
Sue_Buddy said... 153
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Funny how Jim Bob didn't choose to become mightier in spirit when the police released the reports requested through the FOIA.
Sue_Buddy said... 153
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Their binary thinking is sick and twisted. Are you a virgin, or are you a cup full of spit?
Their binary thinking is sick and twisted. Are you a virgin, or are you a cup full of spit?
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I think that might be a quiver full of spit!
It's like, if you're not a white Christian male, when then, it sucks to be you!
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And after the two scandals, I wonder if Boobies now knows that it sucks to be him. Oh, the irony of it all. What goes around...
(Leslie)
If his wife was brought up thinking that the wife just lies on her back, missionary position and lets her husband engage in the act while she submits (in a boring way), then maybe he wanted some kinky sex, some experimenting with sex toys, bondage, oral sex and who knows what else. Her "religion" or whatever else you call it might have considered anything other than just lying there to be perverted. The wife wasn't supposed to do those things or she'd be looked like a whore. It seems, though, that he wanted what he considered "wild," and worldly, and whatever her stern upbringing told her just didn't satisfy him.
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The thing is Anna's belief about "boring sex" is the same as Josh's. It s not like it was her beliefs or her religion that made her "boring in bed". They were both raised in the Gothard vein. They both read the same sex books before the night of their wedding. It makes me wonder if he suggested or told Anna he was interested in these things. And for all we know, maybe Anna did all those wild things with Josh. After all she is taught to do what her husband says. And maybe doing all the "wild stuff" with Anna was not just cutting it anymore. I think Josh wanted to taste and feel other female flesh. I think he wanted the excitement of other women. I mean Anna is not any like that porn star even if she did all the "wild things" Josh wanted.
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(Leslie)
Sue Buddy, your comment was brilliant!
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What boggles my mind and infuriates me is that a creep like Gothard can spout such rubbish, which is so demeaning to women and people buy into it. Gothard made a fortune, as many of these religious extremists often do from peoples' ignorance. And who are these people that they are so easily led and why? And then there's a low-rent TV network that puts Gothard-spouting, women-hating fanatics who believe being sexually abused brings inner peace and joy on TV.
I'm not feeling inner peace. Maybe I need a good groping.
Was he *that* good? Did the earth move for them? He probably laughed and thought..."well, I got my own piece."
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Exactly, and ran off to count his money.
Hmmmm. Interesting. I just Googled Marjorie Kaplan, the President of TLC, and see that she has been "promoted" right out of the country as of Aug. 6. Oops. LOL
Good riddance.
Discovery Sets Marjorie Kaplan To Oversee International Content
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/marjorie-kaplan-discovery-international-1201557950/
Sue_Buddy said... 154
I suppose Got-Hard told all the women he fondled, etc. that they would experience inner peace when he was finished with them.
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The Moral Vaccine: Got Hard's "inoculation against lust" so they won't want to think about sex. This guy had it all figured out. Talk about a predator.
The Worcester Telegram "Reflections" column has an interesting article entitled "Had enough of 'celebrity' drama" (August 28).
The writer says "I just don't care" about many celebrities, among them Jon and Kate Gosselin -
"but feel bad for their eight children, who didn't ask to grow up in front of the reality TV cameras".
The writer (Jan Gottesman) doesn't mind expressing her views regarding TLC.
Sorry, I can't provide a direct link; perhaps someone more talented can locate the article and post it.
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I'm not feeling inner peace. Maybe I need a good groping.
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Do you have anyone particular in mind? I hear Boobers is up for the taking. Ask and it shall be given you; seek and ye shall find....
And then there's a low-rent TV network that puts Gothard-spouting, women-hating fanatics who believe being sexually abused brings inner peace and joy on TV.
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It brings inner peace and joy on TV? Well, forget that then. I want my joy given to me in private! :)
(Leslie)
If somebody on this site has a subscription or bought the copy of Jill and Jessa on the cover of People, could they please give us a summary of what they said. I believe the cover stated something like what life's been like since the scandal (molestation only - not the most recent one). I asked a long time ago when Kate was on the cover and somebody here I believe had a subscription and was kind enough to give us a summary.
I am just curious what these airheads had to say about there molestation in People especially since they will be on tv tomorrow night talking about this.
Man, I hope since their tv show is bye, bye, they will go bye, bye. Gee, Jessa's husband may have to finally get a real job. (Pardon me if the article states he has one.) I assume they honeymooned to Europe and have been living off of People cover magazine money since then.
lol, Leslie (172), somehow I just can't "see" Anna doing the wild and crazy sex thing. However, you never know what goes on behind closed doors!
Sue_Buddy said... 173
I'm not feeling inner peace. Maybe I need a good groping.
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You probably just need a good rhema cleanse. It's in the toothpaste aisle.
And who are these people that they are so easily led and why?
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The same can be said about Kate's sheeple. You just want to do some serious head-banging because they just don't get it. I guess we should all be thankful that we weren't missing in action when intelligence and cognitive/critical thinking ability was passed out.
Speaking of which...has Kravitz permanently left the barnyard?
Duggars and Gosselins had two big things in common that don't even involve TLC. Both used Christianity to make money and both sets of kids would be screwed even if they'd never been force-filmed.
Do you have anyone particular in mind? I hear Boobers is up for the taking. Ask and it shall be given you; seek and ye shall find....
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UGH! Now that is a disgusting thought. I picture Boober humping BabyTalk in that miniature golf clip.
It brings inner peace and joy on TV? Well, forget that then. I want my joy given to me in private! :)
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LOL. Yeah, I saw that but hit publish anyway. My "inner turmoil" was getting to me.
You probably just need a good rhema cleanse. It's in the toothpaste aisle.
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Good thought. I'll put it on my shopping list.
The Worcester Telegram "Reflections" column has an interesting article entitled "Had enough of 'celebrity' drama" (August 28).
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bm--here's the link to the article:
http://www.telegram.com/article/20150828/NEWS/150829298
Speaking of which...has Kravitz permanently left the barnyard?
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She hasn't tweeted anything since Jul. 31, but perhaps she's dm-ing her support to Kate. Seems like nobody has been asking about her either, unless those that follow her have dm-ed her.
Or maybe LOM turned into TOM(twitter off man) and has forbidden her to tweet.
Barb Gilmer who is on private most of the time, but sometimes comes out of hiding to tweet Kate publicly(although she could dm Kate because they follow each other). The last time she was public, I took a look at her timeline and spotted this convo:
I Love Cats @Pancake035 Aug 27
@BarbGilmer Where do you think Milo went?
#My3AndMe @BarbGilmer Aug 27
@Pancake035 Think she went #bonkers LOL
Real nice thing to say about someone who is purportedly a friend of yours on twitter, and who follows you.
Kate is a Twit @ 188 - Thanks for posting the link - it's a good article, well worth reading IMO and on topic.
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Speaking of Tweets, Kate Tweeted 6 times in a row a couple of hours ago and got two replies. Before that there were been 9 tweets in 14 hours. Yesterday people kept tweeting a naked pic of an older woman with saggy breasts and a wrinkled belly saying it looked like Kate. Wonder what it would take for her to close her account?
I think that might be a quiver full of spit!
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Zing!
That would be A LOT of spit!
But at this point, isn't it kind of a moot point? It's been pointed out that the girls don't have to interrupt Boobers intimate moment and that the girls were separated from the boys. Other that that, is there anything else important about the layout of the house or their previous home? He molested his sisters and he found a way to do it, no matter where anyone was sleeping or sitting on sofas or in the laundry room.
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The Duggars brought it up. They claimed that they took protective measures to protect their children. It's clear their measures were as good as a wall made out of toothpicks. I'm simply interesting to match up the actual facts with what they are saying. What's more, their "protection" had deep flaws, since obviously, you don't need a bedroom to rape your sister. It's just an example of the Duggars trying to tell us oh don't worry we took care of it....when they DIDN'T.
I could care less about the layout of their home in general. I don't need to know about the layout of the rest of the home, and I was never interested in the layout of their home or anyones home 's all until they tried to imply they used said layout to protect their children.
(Leslie)
Oh Rainbow, I agree with you. I doubt Anna did all these wild things. That is why I said "maybe Anna did". But you know before Josh's molestation & AM affiliation came out we (who watched the show) certainly could not see Josh doing all these "wild" things. If Anna did these wild things, I guarantee you it was because her husband told her to obey him and she did so because that is what he wanted.
But I somehow think Josh wants to keep his wife "pure". Even though he is a molester, cheater, and loves porn, I do believe he knows (cuz of his upbringing) what "pure" is. And of course, I am strictly using the word pure in this post to mean lay strictly on your back as your husband does his thing type of sex. Something tells me that Josh really doesn't want a "whore" to be the mother of his children. Whore meaning one who does wild sexual things--probably anything other than missionary position. And I don't think Josh (before he got caught) wanted Anna to think that he wanted all those nasty, wild sexy things. Anna looks up to him to be a godly Gothard man and I think Josh probably wanted to keep it that way...until he got caught that it!
(Leslie)
Holy cow! I read a few comments in the past week or so about Milo being MIA. But I had no idea she hasn't tweeted in a month. Dare I say, could she have died. Sorry, I hope by wondering that it does not offend anybody. I mean even if she was very ill, I would guess she would have squeezed out one little tweet--even if it was just for pity. Even if LOM forbid her, I still don't see her being able to obey him. As we all know, she is addicted to Kate and twitter.
Does anybody know if she is friends with somebody on twitter that would eventually find out what happened to her if she doesn't tweet anymore? Has she ever gone a full month without tweeting Kate before? I know several here sort of keep tabs on her twitter habits.
OT- I wanted to share you with all on the veranda that we adopted a rescue dog today!
She's a gorgeous yellow lab that is about 15 months old.
She was rescued from a rural southern area and brought up here to her foster Momma, where she's been doing amazingly well for a little over a month.
We all met her today and I think she will be a much loved member of the family.
It think Bichon will love having a friend, too.
We hope to bring her home tomorrow!
Sue_Buddy - That was a picture of "Tan Mom" and if TFW keeps up her tanning (tan beds) she just might end up looking like that.
I did a quick check on people that Milo follows and that follow her and none of them have a new common account that they all follow so I don't think Milo has assumed a new identity. maybe she's PMing her usual group because none of them have inquired about her.
TFW needs to pony up for more bots to retweet how big the kids have gotten because her timeline is dead, dead, dead.
Tucker's Mom (#196), congratulations! That's wonderful news!
I hope you get to bring her home tomorrow!
NJGal51 said... 197
Sue_Buddy - That was a picture of "Tan Mom" and if TFW keeps up her tanning (tan beds) she just might end up looking like that.
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I agree. And her recent trips (Mexico and Florida) just helped it along. Had to laugh, though, as that pic kept popping up on her T/L, that and a crotch shot picture as well. Kate can't get no respect.
Congratulations on the new pup, Tucker's Mom. I hope she's as sweet as the yorkie/shih tzu I adopted last month. I swore there would be no more dogs after I lost my shih tzu, yet here I am six months later, happily snuggling my new guy.
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