Josh's statement:
"I have been the biggest hypocrite ever. While espousing faith and family values, I have secretly over the last several years been viewing pornography on the internet and this became a secret addiction and I became unfaithful to my wife.I am so ashamed of the double life that I have been living and am grieved for the hurt, pain and disgrace my sin has caused my wife and family, and most of all Jesus and all those who profess faith in Him.
I brought hurt and a reproach to my family, close friends and the fans of our show with my actions that happened when I was 14-15 years old, and now I have re-broken their trust.
The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country, I was hiding my own personal failings.
As I am learning the hard way, we have the freedom to choose to our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences. I deeply regret all hurt I have caused so many by being such a bad example. I humbly ask for your forgiveness. Please pray for my precious wife Anna and our family during this time."
http://www.people.com/article/josh-duggar-infidelity-pornography-addiction-statement
848 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 848 Newer› Newest»JoyinVirginia said... 199
This is a perfect example of hubris, pride and arrogance, and nemesis, divine retribution. It's interesting that in the Greek tragedies, Nemesis was a goddess who avenged crime and punished hubris. The self confident arrogance of Josh and his parents and even his sisters and their spouses has suffered what some might call divine retribution. One could say it's a lesson for the whole family to get back to humble, simple worship and away from worldly things, like Satan infested computers.
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I couldn't agree more, and maybe, finally, Jim Boob will stop trying to get the gravy train back on track, get his family off of television, and go back to being private and humble.
I keep going back to JB's response to the LGBT community, thumbing his nose at their attempt to get his show canceled because he and Michelle actively tried to suppress their rights and called them dangerous deviants.
His hubris was monumental.
Just like Kate. All of us "haterz" just keep her mug on tv and magazine, so hate away!!!!!!!!!!!
Please, for the love of all that's good in this world, tell me I'm reading this wrong.
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I hope I'm reading this wrong, too.
Cheating is bad, but AM is for consenting adults.
Molesting children is a crime. A heinous crime.
Tucker's Mom said...
Funny how fast the younger boy's "fiance" high tailed it out of there once the Duggar show was canceled!
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Sorry, but I think this girl did the right thing. Life is hard enough without choosing to marry into a shitstorm. Maybe she was after the fame and maybe she wasn't, but kudos to her for realizing it's not worth the hassle.
Sue_Buddy said... 200
If I'm understanding this Ashley Madison thing correctly, in order to participate one has to buy points. To buy points one has to provide a legit email addy, name and credit card # to set up an account. Once the account is set up one can then make up a name for chatting or hooking up purposes. Is that correct? And is it correct that the actual names, email addys and cc# were NOT on a secure server and the approx 37 million names are out there somewhere for all to see?
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As has been stated many times in the comments, you do NOT have to use a legitimate email address to open an AM account.
You do need to use a real credit card and your real name for billing purposes.
The information was on a secure server. They were hacked.
One of Josh's favorites!
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-cheating-scandal-lied-porn-star-fetish-facebook-page/
Sorry, but I think this girl did the right thing. Life is hard enough without choosing to marry into a shitstorm. Maybe she was after the fame and maybe she wasn't, but kudos to her for realizing it's not worth the hassle.
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Oh, I'm in agreeance!
She dodged a bullet there.
Sorry PJ, I've not had the time to go back and read all the comments. Am just trying to understand. AM SAID it was a secure server, but it wasn't because it was hacked, right?
Does anyone still have the link to the "deep web" where some of TFMJG's journal entries are detailed? Not what Robert put on his website, but there were actually part of the copyrighted material.
Seriously? Every other weekend in jail, a fine, and therapy?
http://6abc.com/news/former-nfl-cheerleader-sentenced-for-rape-of-teen-in-del/950556/
Susan1956 said... 8
Does anyone still have the link to the "deep web" where some of TFMJG's journal entries are detailed? Not what Robert put on his website, but there were actually part of the copyrighted material.
August 21, 2015 at 8:35 AM
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That's in the first version of the book. I don't think there's anything more that Robert has put on the web, deep or otherwise.
Susan1956 said... 8
Does anyone still have the link to the "deep web" where some of TFMJG's journal entries are detailed? Not what Robert put on his website, but there were actually part of the copyrighted material.
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I think this is what you are talking about. Someone posted Kate's journal on Pastebin.
http://pastebin.com/rp9sm2yc
Sue_Buddy said... 7
Sorry PJ, I've not had the time to go back and read all the comments. Am just trying to understand. AM SAID it was a secure server, but it wasn't because it was hacked, right?
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Everybody thinks they have a secure server. TJMaxx thought they had a secure server. Citibank thought they had a secure server. The Steubenville Police Dept thought they had a secure server. Technically, they did have secure servers.
That's what hackers do. They hack into these secure servers and steal info. They bypass the security settings of servers and gain access to the stored information
From Wikipedia:
"In the computer security context, a hacker is someone who seeks and exploits weaknesses in a computer system or computer network. Hackers may be motivated by a multitude of reasons, such as profit, protest, challenge, enjoyment,[1] or to evaluate those weaknesses to assist in removing them. The subculture that has evolved around hackers is often referred to as the computer underground and is now a known community.[2] While other uses of the word hacker exist that are related to computer security, such as referring to someone with an advanced understanding of computers and computer networks,[3] they are rarely used in mainstream context.[citation needed] They are subject to the longstanding hacker definition controversy about the term's true meaning. In this controversy, the term hacker is reclaimed by computer programmers who argue that someone who breaks into computers, whether computer criminal (black hats) or computer security expert (white hats),[4] is more appropriately called a cracker instead.[5] Some white hat hackers claim that they also deserve the title hacker, and that only black hats should be called "crackers"."
I can't stand Montel Williams, but, wow, thank you Montel!
Josh needs to be immediately put in a lockdown sexual deviant rehabilitation center and Anna needs to be packed up with her and her children and taken back to her parents and have her own place near her parents so she can get help, counseling and be able to think of what she is going to do!
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/montel-williams-calls-duggars-freaks-of-nature-amid-joshs-cheating-2015218
P.J. said... 12
Everybody thinks they have a secure server.
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Yes, I know that. That was my point.
Can you remember where you read about an injunction AM filed? Thanks.
I think this is what you are talking about. Someone posted Kate's journal on Pastebin.
http://pastebin.com/rp9sm2yc
Robert also posted the whole pastebin post on his website. Just scroll down to the Jan. 4 entries.
redbird said... 13
I can't stand Montel Williams, but, wow, thank you Montel!
Josh needs to be immediately put in a lockdown sexual deviant rehabilitation center and Anna needs to be packed up with her and her children and taken back to her parents and have her own place near her parents so she can get help, counseling and be able to think of what she is going to do!
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/montel-williams-calls-duggars-freaks-of-nature-amid-joshs-cheating-2015218
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Ganja truthiness!
So true, sadly, probably won't happen.
Do you mean the first book Robert wrote about tfw? I still have my copy, thought everyone else who bought the first book would also still have theirs. Does it make any difference anywhere, for anything?
I still have both copies of Roberts book. I'm not understanding what the deep web requests are about?
Wondering when josh lowered his age to be 14 to 15 with the abusing his sisters & babysitter confession? Was he not 17? It is everywhere now, that he was just 14-15, so perhaps trying to change minds with age difference? When are all of their lies going to just stop already?! Anyone else thought about the salt peter treatment?
Thanks Jane, I do not know what the deep web means either.
Tucker's Mom said... 16
redbird said... 13
I can't stand Montel Williams, but, wow, thank you Montel!
Josh needs to be immediately put in a lockdown sexual deviant rehabilitation center and Anna needs to be packed up with her and her children and taken back to her parents and have her own place near her parents so she can get help, counseling and be able to think of what she is going to do!
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/montel-williams-calls-duggars-freaks-of-nature-amid-joshs-cheating-2015218
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Ganja truthiness!
So true, sadly, probably won't happen.
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Just to be clear, Montel didn't say that in case you're thinking he did.
Can you remember where you read about an injunction AM filed? Thanks.
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Sue--Are you referring to how AM got one of the sites that was offering a search engine to find AM users taken down?
This article explains it a bit. Apparently, AM used the DCMA citing copyright violation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/08/19/how-to-see-if-you-or-your-spouse-appear-in-the-ashley-madison-leak/
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Wondering when josh lowered his age to be 14 to 15 with the abusing his sisters & babysitter confession? Was he not 17? It is everywhere now, that he was just 14-15, so perhaps trying to change minds with age difference? When are all of their lies going to just stop already?! Anyone else thought about the salt peter treatment?
Josh Duggar Cheats on Wife: A Comprehensive Timeline of His Scandals From Molestation to Ashley Madison Revelations
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/josh-duggar-cheats-timeline-of-scandals-from-molestation-to-cheating-2015208
May 19, 2015: Child Molestation Allegations Revealed
Rumors surfaced that the eldest Duggar son had molested five girls in 2002, when he was 14 years old. According to a police report first acquired by InTouch, Josh had allegedly fondled the breasts and genitals of the females, and his 2006 interview with Oprah Winfrey was subsequently canceled after someone had called and warned Harpo productions about what he had done.
When my son was in his early 20's he was a part of a group of computer savvy young men. About 20 geeks were rounded up by a venture capitalist group. They were hired to hack into secure systems -- banks, insurance companies and even the pentagon. They were paid rewards if they could get into the system. The plan was to find flaws before black hats hacked the system.
Of course, he loved his job!
MikeB said... 11
I think this is what you are talking about. Someone posted Kate's journal on Pastebin.
http://pastebin.com/rp9sm2yc
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Thank you Mike B! I shouldn't have said 'deep web' but couldn't think of the web address that contains some of TFMJG's journal entries. Yesterday I started posting links to and excerpts of Robert's book on the TLC FB page and got quite a nice little discussion going. As of a few minutes ago, all the posts are still there so either the TLC interns are busy with the fallout from Joshie or they don't care enough about TFMJG to swiffer the comments as they've done in the past.
Anonymous said...(38)
(Leslie)
What? Bullshit on his latest confession? I don't think admitting that you signed up with Ashley Madison--a website for the sole purpose of having sex with other women other than your wife--is less serious that what he did to his sisters. To me this if way, way more serious.
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Sheri said, "Do you honestly believe that a married man using an adult cheating website is "way more serious" than him molesting his young sisters?
As a victim of childhood sexual assault I'm gobsmacked that anyone could make such a statement.
I will leave it at that before I'm tempted to break one or two of Admin's posting rules."
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I'm with you on that one, Sheri. I was thinking that perhaps I was reading this wrong, and the poster meant that Josh's latest misdeed was *less* serious than the molestation (incest) of minors, so I'm not really sure how to interpret it. I don't want to break any posting rules, either, so I'll just assume that I'm not understanding the comment correctly.
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 132
I don't know, admin. I'm watching Nancy Grace (haven't seen her in years because I can't stand the woman) and she said "they" (assuming HLN) reached out to TLC and TLC said, "No comment. We aren't working with the Duggars anymore."
TLC may not be "working" with the Duggars anymore, but the 19 Kids & Counting FB page still exists, and 19 Kids & Counting is still on the TLC website. Why weren't those removed, just like the Honey Boo pages were?
Kate is a twit said... 27
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 132
I don't know, admin. I'm watching Nancy Grace (haven't seen her in years because I can't stand the woman) and she said "they" (assuming HLN) reached out to TLC and TLC said, "No comment. We aren't working with the Duggars anymore."
TLC may not be "working" with the Duggars anymore, but the 19 Kids & Counting FB page still exists, and 19 Kids & Counting is still on the TLC website. Why weren't those removed, just like the Honey Boo pages were?
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That's a very good question. Could the sex abuse special on Sunday be the last hurrah? Are the TLC executives waiting to see the ratings of and feedback re: the sex abuse special before they finally give up on a possible spin off/bringing the Duggars back without Joshieboy?
Sue--Are you referring to how AM got one of the sites that was offering a search engine to find AM users taken down?
This article explains it a bit. Apparently, AM used the DCMA citing copyright violation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/08/19/how-to-see-if-you-or-your-spouse-appear-in-the-ashley-madison-leak/
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I was trying to locate the link re this comment:
"P.J. said... 181
I've read that the site that made searching by name available has been ordered down by an injunction filed by the legal team at AM."
But thanks for that link. It seems the AM legal team requested that a site be taken down. I was Googling AM and injunction and finding nothing.
Kate is a twit said... 22
Can you remember where you read about an injunction AM filed? Thanks.
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Sue--Are you referring to how AM got one of the sites that was offering a search engine to find AM users taken down?
This article explains it a bit. Apparently, AM used the DCMA citing copyright violation.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/08/19/how-to-see-if-you-or-your-spouse-appear-in-the-ashley-madison-leak/
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Thanks, KIAT. I couldn't remember exactly where I read that, I've read so much in the past few days.
I'm not a fan on Montel's either, but he's got it right.
'One commenter accused Williams of judging "all Christians based on the behavior of one deviant." (The Arkansas-based Duggar family are devout Independent Baptists.) An enraged Williams replied, "Who judged Christians? ...Not me, my point being Josh is a great reminder that the more sanctimonious one is toward others about so called 'Christian values' the more likely they are to be full of it. True Christians are not filled with hate and sanctimony."
Read more: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/montel-williams-calls-duggars-freaks-of-nature-amid-joshs-cheating-2015218#ixzz3jTNuyMo5
Follow us: @usweekly on Twitter | usweekly on Facebook
Please, for the love of all that's good in this world, tell me I'm reading this wrong.
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I hope I'm reading this wrong, too.
Cheating is bad, but AM is for consenting adults.
Molesting children is a crime. A heinous crime.
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yes, I too was "wtf?" but deleted. I knew someone would address it more intelligently
Williams also called out the family's parents Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar after their June interview with Fox News' Megyn Kelly. "After watching the Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar interview, I'm just stunned," Williams wrote on Facebook. "They are in denial. Do I feel for their predicament as parents, of course, do I feel for their daughters, of course, I am the father of 3 daughters... There is something very sinister beneath the surface."
Read more: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/montel-williams-calls-duggars-freaks-of-nature-amid-joshs-cheating-2015218#ixzz3jTPj5kFO
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"something sinister beneath the surface"
yes indeedee!
http://www.bustle.com/articles/20700-on-19-kids-counting-jim-bob-duggar-unfairly-taunts-his-courting-daughter-and-thats-not
Can't remember who mentioned the episode where jimboob is practically humping babykins but this is an interesting article.
The Family Research Council issued a statement about Josh:
“Last night we learned from online reports about allegations concerning Josh Duggar and then read his confession today. We are grieved by Josh’s conduct and the devastating impact of his pornography addiction and marital unfaithfulness,” Perkins statement reads. “Our hearts hurt for his family, and all those affected by Josh’s actions. His deceitful behavior harms his family, his friends, his former coworkers, and the cause he has publicly espoused. Those of us who advocate for family values in the public square are held to a higher standard, and Josh’s failures serve as a painful reminder of the destructive effects of not living with integrity. We are praying for the family.”
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/family-research-council-slams-josh-duggar-following-cheating-scandal-2015218
Good point made by Slate magazine re Josh's confession:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2015/08/21/josh_duggar_apologizes_for_being_unfaithful_but_not_for_his_attempts_to.html
"It's good to see that Duggar has decided to take personal responsibility for his own choices. Still, there’s much in this letter that suggests Duggar hasn’t really learned any larger lessons from this whole experience. “The last few years, while publicly stating I was fighting against immorality in our country I was hiding my own personal failures,” Duggar writes.
But by “immorality,” Duggar isn’t talking about sexual abuse or even adultery. He hasn't actually lifted a finger to fight either of those behaviors. During his stint as a lobbyist for the Family Research Council, much of Duggar’s work was focused on fighting the legalization of same-sex marriage. He's anti-choice and has fought against transgender rights. He’s even used his own marriage as a cudgel to bully gay people for being different:
In other words, he’s spent his life trying to stop people from making the best personal choices they can for themselves and their families. It’s good he acknowledges that he’s a hypocrite because he committed adultery while holding himself out as a model of monogamous marriage. Too bad he won’t own up to his even worse behavior, attacking the private and yes, moral choices other people make about their own lives just because those choices conflict with his religious dogma."
I don't know what to think about Anna. I don't know if she pursued Josh, but she couldn't have done that without her father's permission in that cult. I suspect the two fathers arranged it. Anna may have been taken in by the celebrity. Then once they married the expectation was to have lots of babies. I'm sure that Anna's sex education consisted of give him sex when he wants.
Now she is in a really bad situation. Her husband is a horrible person. He has no job. He has no character. But she's been taught divorce is not an option. Her family may even be shaming her for not keeping her husband happy. If she leaves him, what does she do? She has practically no education or skills and she has a bunch of young children. To me, it would feel very hopeless. We are saying she should go home to her parents. Would they even take her in?
These are not my viewpoints on marriage and divorce. I'm just trying to look at it from Anna's perspective.
I don't think you can use a completely fake email address for a site like Ashley Madison. You could create a new gmail with a new name but you couldn't use Obama's email. For most sites you need to confirm that your email is real and then you would get emails when you had contacts on the web site.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVjRiQw9KLw
Yep, its all Anna's fault.
A source told People today, meanwhile, that "Anna will not leave him. As with her in-laws, she is turning more to her faith than ever. She and Josh are probably praying around the clock right now, I would assume." Moreover, the source said, "Maybe not publicly, ever, but privately, there will be some suggestion of whether or not she should have been more aware of the pressures Josh was under, of the issues he was facing, and how she could have better counseled him or helped him."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/is-there-any-chance-of-anna-duggar-divorcing-josh-duggar-now-that-hes-admitted-to-cheating/ar-BBlY3j5
laurajean
A conservative writer (he writes for the conservative site The Blaze), Matt Walsh, who defended Josh and the Duggars after the molestation scandal, has now admitted that he was wrong to do so.
http://www.inquisitr.com/2354966/conservative-writer-matt-walsh-admits-he-was-wrong-about-josh-duggar-too-easy-on-duggar-parents/
According to the article, this is what Matt Walsh posted on his FB page:
“I wrote a post in the early days of that story pointing out that the liberal outrage over sexual abuse seems to be rather selective and insincere. I further said that Christian ideals aren’t disproved just because one Christian fails to live up to them. And I also said that, by all accounts, Josh has repented and changed his ways, and he should be forgiven.”
“I was wrong about Josh Duggar being a repentant man. Clearly, he isn’t. Or at least he wasn’t. Maybe now he’ll finally begin the process, but it’s certainly impossible to believe that someone could be truly sorry for past sexual sin while currently in the process of fishing for affairs and ‘experimental’ one night stands.”
“I realized I was too easy on the Duggar parents as well. Jim Bob and Michelle knew that their oldest son was struggling with severe sexual sin, they knew their daughters had been abused, they knew their family was in the midst of moral and spiritual turmoil, yet they STILL decided to put themselves and their children on TV for ten years.”
Hey, Huckabee--where is your statement?
These are not my viewpoints on marriage and divorce. I'm just trying to look at it from Anna's perspective.
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even if Anna and Josh patched things up how would Josh support his family at this point?. he's pretty much ruined.
Like others have said, I can't believe ANYONE would suggest that sex between consenting adults (married or not) is more serious than child molestation, particularly anyone posting on this blog which is dedicated to discussing the welfare of children who are being exploited by their mother and TLC for profit and the entertainment of others.
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Vanessa--I had never seen that video before, and Jim Bob's behavior was thoroughly disgusting. Even more disgusting, is that TLC decided to air it.
Vanessa said... 39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVjRiQw9KLw
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Ugh. The man is an asshole. So is Michelle.
Interesting "notes" on the Ashley Madison hack:
Errata Security: Notes on the Ashley Madison Dump
This is part of what Mike Huckabee said in defense of Josh back in May:
" No one needs to defend Josh’s actions as a teenager, but the fact that he confessed his sins to those he harmed, sought help, and has gone forward to live a responsible and circumspect life as an adult is testament to his family’s authenticity and humility."
I meant to include that in my comment about Matt Walsh, the conservative write who admitted he was wrong about Josh.
Again, I ask--Where's your statement now, Huckabee?
Jeanne, you don't need a valid email account to set up an AM account. You'd only need one if you forgot your login id or password. They ask you to use a real one in case they have to send you a system notice. Technically, you could use someone else's email address.
From the AM site:
"Q:
Why must I enter a valid email address? Top
A:
We will need to send you system notices from time to time and will send them to the email address you provide us with.
If you lose your username and password information it is confirmed to your email address when requested by you. For that reason, please ensure that you sign up with an email account that is secure and used only by you.
If you do not have a secure email account, you may consider using one of the free email services available to most internet users. (E.g. Hotmail).
You can opt out of system messages at any time. To do so, go to 'Mailbox', then click on 'Settings' to view your mail notification options."
No where does it tell you that they will send you an email to verify your account. As a matter of fact, I've read on other sites that you're not to panic if you've checked your email to see if it's on AM and had a positive hit. It could have been a typo by the person opening the account, or someone could be be messing with you.
http://gawker.com/quiverfull-of-shit-a-guide-to-the-duggars-scary-brand-1706557073?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Great article on Quiverfull and the Duggars.
Vanessa--I had never seen that video before, and Jim Bob's behavior was thoroughly disgusting. Even more disgusting, is that TLC decided to air it.
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Yes, disgusting that they aired it, but not surprising.
They are freaks, the whole lot of them. I don't care who I insult, Christian or not.
Paula said... 46
Interesting "notes" on the Ashley Madison hack:
Errata Security: Notes on the Ashley Madison
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I love this comment on the article.
"Bruno said...
Never in the history of man, have heterosexual American men been so sensitive to the well being of gay men in other countries... It's almost as if there is an underlying motive..."
http://gawker.com/quiverfull-of-shit-a-guide-to-the-duggars-scary-brand-1706557073?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
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thanks for posting, great article
This is the Christian vlogger that posted the fake pregnancy/miscarriage not too long ago.
http://gawker.com/viral-christian-pregnancy-youtuber-sam-rader-had-a-paid-1725258643
You're welcome, Vanessa.
That youtube video is pathetic.
Those of us who advocate for family values in the public square are held to a higher standard, and Josh’s failures serve as a painful reminder of the destructive effects of not living with integrity. We are praying for the family.”
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They are right, he is held to a higher standard if he would like to "sell" family values and condemn others.
I have a question though, where in there is their apology for all the loving and righteous families Josh has hurt by advocating against them?
OT--For PA Dutch Mom and localyocul--How was the Billy Joel concert? I'm sure you both loved it!!
I had a reunion with some friends of mine yesterday. We've known each other since 1st grade and one of them is my daughter's Godmother, but we've sort of lost touch over the last several years. We were discussing BJ, and we hope to go see him at Madison Square Garden in NYC next year. Hopefully, he will continue his monthly concerts there, although nothing has been officially announced yet.
I have a question though, where in there is their apology for all the loving and righteous families Josh has hurt by advocating against them?
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They'll never apologize for that. They're embarrassed by Josh, but not for what he(and they) advocate for. They're basically embarrassed because Josh did not live up to their standards of "morality" and now it casts a bad light on them.
They'll continue to disparage others who do not live up to their standards of "family values" and they are now including Josh in that mix.
They'll never apologize for that. They're embarrassed by Josh, but not for what he(and they) advocate for. They're basically embarrassed because Josh did not live up to their standards of "morality" and now it casts a bad light on them.
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They're just not grasping the huge problem here.
Many people fall short. If you're a Christian you believe all fall short. We don't necessarily know who that will be. How can you pick and choose people to advocate for a cause as big as gay marriage, AGAINST another group of people, knowing the advocates themselves will fall short in some way eventually?
In other words, do they not understand we're all in the same boat here? The same not living up to God's expectations boat? You're pushing overboard the very same people you need to help you row in this game of life.
I don't have a problem with those who stand up for things that cause real harm to others. That's advocacy to be proud of. But this simply doesn't. It's consenting adults, no one is getting hurt, and they're happy and they just want their civil rights.
Sue_Buddy said... 21
Tucker's Mom said... 16
redbird said... 13
I can't stand Montel Williams, but, wow, thank you Montel!
Josh needs to be immediately put in a lockdown sexual deviant rehabilitation center and Anna needs to be packed up with her and her children and taken back to her parents and have her own place near her parents so she can get help, counseling and be able to think of what she is going to do!
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/montel-williams-calls-duggars-freaks-of-nature-amid-joshs-cheating-2015218
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Ganja truthiness!
So true, sadly, probably won't happen.
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Just to be clear, Montel didn't say that in case you're thinking he did.
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UGH! Sorry about that. What I wrote about putting Josh in rehab and Anna moving home was my thoughts not Montel's. Montel said that The Duggars were a freak show!
Thank you, Sue_Buddy for pointing that out to me so I could correct it!
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 59
They're just not grasping the huge problem here.
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Of course, they're not. They're just using the "cover your ass" mindset. They got punked by Josh, and they want to distance theirselves as far as they can from him.
Unfortunately for them, they let him be an advocate for their agenda, but once the truth surfaced, they will now try to vilify him, instead of thinking and admitting their total agenda is wrong.
They used him as the "poster boy" of their agenda and their embarrassed that their poster boy did not live up to their expectations.
Just watched the Putt-Putt Butt and Hump Show.
I can't believe he said to Michelle, Does this turn you on?
WOW. You don't do that in PUBLIC!!!
Disgusting and embarrassing.
Only on TLC.
I checked out the Duggar Family FB page and it seems that most people still support the Duggars, but have lost their "faith" in Josh and are praying for Anna and the kids.
They still don't understand that Josh's upbringing may have been the problem. They still feel that the Duggars shouldn't be vilified because of "one bad seed".
I checked out the Duggar Family FB page and it seems that most people still support the Duggars, but have lost their "faith" in Josh and are praying for Anna and the kids.
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I don't put it past that Pa Duggar to think that he has to cut his losses with Josh and distance himself in an effort to try to rebuild the family, if possible. I would not be at ALL surprised that the mole is Pa Duggar, making a hail Mary pass if a protestant is allowed to do such a thing, finish off Josh and then just spin this all like the one who is lost, but none of the rest of us are like him. Black sheep sort of thing.
Not that I feel sorry for Josh, but way to be there for your son...geez.
OT, on Kate's twitter one of her groupies said "Milo's identity was soon to be revealed, that's why she has disappeared." Interesting if true.
Another thing--Josh and Anna have their own FB account,(https://www.facebook.com/ja20com), but they have to let "Mommy and Daddy" post his response to the AM allegations on THEIR FB page.
He's an adult who is 27 years old, but he has to let Ma and Pa control the situation and let them use their own FB page to address it.
IMO, he's a wimp, who depends on Ma and Pa to take control of not only his life, but the life of all his sisters and brothers.
So even when they are into "adulthood", it Ma and Pa who are still in control.
Aww, poor Kate. Her life is so HARD. She just tweeted:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 1m1 minute ago
Yes... I’m drowning in back to school and work... #LifeOfAMom but wanted to say ‘hi’ and how is everyone???! #MissYou
I read somewhere today (I can't remember which site) that it is believed the hacker was motivated by the "immorality of adultery". That sounds to me that, not only the person who alerted Gawker, but the actual hacker could have been someone who knew of Josh Duggar's "unacceptable way" which was contrary to the cult's standards of practices. It just sounds odd to me that, as far as I know, he is the only notable person (at this stage) among supposedly millions who has been "outed". I wonder if Pa Duggar is the mole.
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And for your viewing pleasure:
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
Yes... I’m drowning in back to school and work... #LifeOfAMom but wanted to say ‘hi’ and how is everyone???! #MissYou
Carly Bell @carly_bell21
@Kateplusmy8 can I get a fav or retweet for my birthday??😍😍 I love you guys!!
Retweeted by Kate Gosselin Shirley Quinn @mrsquinny2
@Kateplusmy8 could I please have an RT for my twins 1st day of school 😊
Retweeted by Kate Gosselin Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
@tasha_1994xx Happy 21st birthday!!! 🎂❤️🎂❤️
16 AugKate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8
@TheSAPeacock yep! Just got back from the sand and the ☀️!Should have said hello! Or was I busy negotiating w my kids, as usual? Lol #Hello
I think it should be jim bob who moves Anna & the kids into a nice house, then help support them, I put a lot of blame on him.
Getting a massage is work?
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 1m1 minute ago
Yes... I’m drowning in back to school and work... #LifeOfAMom but wanted to say ‘hi’ and how is everyone???! #MissYou
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Does the #LifeOfAMom include getting massages? Work? Where? When?
Miss You? She didn't miss her fans when she was filming in Florida...couldn't have bothered once to tweet.
She's a joke, and I think some of her fans are finally seeing through her. It seems like there has been defection within the flock lately.
IMO, he's a wimp, who depends on Ma and Pa to take control of not only his life, but the life of all his sisters and brothers.
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You can tell that just be looking at him. He exudes wimp. Who would want to have an affair with THAT? You'd really have to be hard up. The only person I can think of is Uggs, and I'm not even sure he fits her requirements. lol!
OT, on Kate's twitter one of her groupies said "Milo's identity was soon to be revealed, that's why she has disappeared." Interesting if true.
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Yes, but they've been saying that for years. I remember it was at least two years ago that someone popped up on here saying that Milo's identity would be revealed shortly. Never happened.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 1m1 minute ago
Yes... I’m drowning in back to school and work... #LifeOfAMom but wanted to say ‘hi’ and how is everyone???! #MissYou
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Only 27 replies in an hour. Where are the clamoring hoards?
Just last night I commented that TFW is living a 1% lifestyle, yet
tries to pass herself off as everymom. Right on cue she tweets:
"Yes... I’m drowning in back to school and work... #LifeOfAMom"
Life of a mom with no job, and money in the bank, and plenty of
outside help, and an ex-husband who is in his children's lives,
and all the time in the world to prepare for back to school, after
which she'll have 9 idle hours every weekday.
I watched the video. I had never seen that because I don't watch the Duggars. I decided years ago that it was a freak show. That said, after watching Boobers bump and grind in front of his daughter, I just get a sick feeling that we've not heard the last about what goes on behind closed doors in that family, and specifically with the patriarch of the family.
Only 27 replies in an hour. Where are the clamoring hoards?
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One jumped off the cliff and the rest blindly followed?
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 1m1 minute ago
Yes... I’m drowning in back to school and work... #LifeOfAMom but wanted to say ‘hi’ and how is everyone???! #MissYou
Aw. Poor baby.You just got back from a free Florida vacation. I'd be embarrassed for that tweet.
Just think. After next week you will have nine to ten hours a day, five days a week all to yourself. Then what will you complain about? Making lunches? Helping with homework? Paying to winterize your pool?
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 1m1 minute ago
Yes... I’m drowning in back to school and work... #LifeOfAMom but wanted to say ‘hi’ and how is everyone???! #MissYou
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Kate's drowning and Milo is nowhere to be found. She needs a stupid platitude, Milo! Help her before she goes down for the third time.
I watched the video. I had never seen that because I don't watch the Duggars. I decided years ago that it was a freak show. That said, after watching Boobers bump and grind in front of his daughter, I just get a sick feeling that we've not heard the last about what goes on behind closed doors in that family, and specifically with the patriarch of the family.
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I don't think we'll ever know the half of what went on in that house.
Conventional wisdom in my line of work is that for every one incident of abuse you hear about assume you won't hear of 10 more.
Several months ago we said there's more to this story. And once again, we were right.
Kate's drowning and Milo is nowhere to be found. She needs a stupid platitude, Milo! Help her before she goes down for the third time.
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lol! Where is Milo when Kate needs mouth-to-mouth?
"Yes... I’m drowning in back to school and work... #LifeOfAMom"
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"Work"???? What work???
I really hate how she acts like a working mom. Her life bears absolutely no resemblance to a real working mom at their full time job.
Florida vacation, Miranda Sings concert, massages. Yup, life of a mom.
IMO, he's a wimp, who depends on Ma and Pa to take control of not only his life, but the life of all his sisters and brothers.
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You can tell that just be looking at him. He exudes wimp. Who would want to have an affair with THAT? You'd really have to be hard up. The only person I can think of is Uggs, and I'm not even sure he fits her requirements. lol!
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It's really pathetic to continue to rely on Ma and Pa to clean up his messes. He's not 19. He's 27!! This is the sort of immaturity and stunted development that is caused by their lifestyle and cult.
If I were their PR people the first thing I would do is have the Duggar patriarchs *stop* speaking for him. Trooping his sisters out there to explain his bad deeds while he cowered in hiding was disgusting.
It's really pathetic to continue to rely on Ma and Pa to clean up his messes. He's not 19. He's 27!! This is the sort of immaturity and stunted development that is caused by their lifestyle and cult.
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I agree, but you know what, admin? I wonder if much of it has to to with the fact that he is intellectually-challenged, that they are afraid that he will say or do something that will dig him deeper into the hole. Heck, Ma and Pa couldn't even take care of this without a crisis management team, so how could uneducated Josh clean up his own mess, either publicly or privately? Let's face it, this family seems to be candidates for the Double Digit Club. I think Boob, while he may have some sense of finances and what to do with money, he isn't really the sharpest tool in the shed when it comes to everything else. And with Ma Duggar, it kind of goes without saying.
NJGal51 said... 84
Florida vacation, Miranda Sings concert, massages. Yup, life of a mom.
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And Mexico!
The kids do seem really dumb.
I forgot what it was one of the girls said during the interview, but I had a, "wow, she's not very bright" moment. I think it was the stuff about the illegal release. What she was saying made no sense. It was just a repeat of what the patriarchs told her to say. I don't think they have an independent thought in their body.
Hey, Huckabee--where is your statement?
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I don't think we should hold our collective breath!
The statement from Family Research reminds me of CC cutting the ties with Kate. They went right to the heart of the matter, no beating around the proverbial bush, as Scott CEO did when he wrote of Kate not fitting into CC's agenda and authenticity was a concern. He cut to the chase, and it appears that others, such as Matt Walsh, are now seeing that hypocrisy seems to be the order of the day among so many fame-seekers.
We said, right here, back when this first happened, as far as the people supporting him how do THEY know he's okay now?
We said, over and over, where is the thorough assessment by a professional clearing him as cured, as fit to be around children? As no longer a deviant?
Turns out, he's NOT cured. He's still a sexual deviant. He's still living a dysfunctional lifestyle. They had no idea whether this guy was all better now. They just wanted to believe he was and said so. And, we STILL don't know. I hope they learned their lesson with stuff like this. I know they want it to be so, but it doesn't make it so.
Had he gotten the assessment those of us called for, perhaps this would have become apparent much sooner.
With Gladys absent, who will be the new Chief Executive Ewe? Will it be the second and third in command, Denise or Carlene? Nobody seems to be stepping in as a substitute.
CarleneMarie @CarleneMarie_1
@Kateplusmy8 Stopped by @Target today...it was crazy busy w/back to school shopping! ✏️📓📒📐
Denise @Mydmaxx
@Kateplusmy8 OMG! "hello" back at you. You are alive but still buried in school stuff I see! Lol. #MissYou ☺️
I think that we can eliminate Goody. She's just too far out there. Paige? Emily? Austin? Why hasn't Milo named a successor?
Admin (#90), I think the company line was that Josh's super
duper upstanding adult life - as loving husband and devoted
father - was proof positive that he was "fixed." Um, no.
Admin (#90), I think the company line was that Josh's super
duper upstanding adult life - as loving husband and devoted
father - was proof positive that he was "fixed." Um, no.
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Yep, and that's just ignorance.
I guess they haven't noticed that most predators live normal lives, work normal jobs, are often quite successful. Cosby, Blankinship, Sandusky, and so on.
They USE their good standing to prey on others. They use their intelligence and good standing to take advantage of others.
With Gladys absent, who will be the new Chief Executive Ewe? Will it be the second and third in command, Denise or Carlene? Nobody seems to be stepping in as a substitute.
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Ha! It would have to be a major butt-kisser who has Kate on Twitter Alert, and both of them fill the bill!
Of course there's always her "buddy," Ms Uggs, but I think she's too occupied chasing around celebrity comedians to take the job seriously.
We said, over and over, where is the thorough assessment by a professional clearing him as cured, as fit to be around children? As no longer a deviant?
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Yes, and we were very concerned about him being around his own children.
Hmmmm....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-block/heres-why-it-makes-perfec_b_8022344.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
I know this has been mentioned many times, but, why all the drama
about buying school supplies for kids in 2 different grades? Parents
with fewer kids have more of a hassle because each one is in a
different grade. And notice how none of the fans has the nerve
to bring up the fact that a back-to-school shopping episode was
already shot. Best not to question TFW, and just be glad for the
crumb of attention.
Hmmmm....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-block/heres-why-it-makes-perfec_b_8022344.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
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I think she makes some good points worth pondering.
Lexie @LexieSaranpaa 1h1 hour ago
@Kateplusmy8 what's it like basically going back to school shopping eight times??
LOLOL!! I think that you basically go to the store one time with a list and purchase the items for eight kids.
Hmmmm....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-block/heres-why-it-makes-perfec_b_8022344.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
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I think she makes some good points worth pondering.
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I'm pondering whether she was on crack when she wrote that. She needs to chill just a tad. She made some good points, I guess, but she sounds near hysterical. LOL
Of course there's always her "buddy," Ms Uggs, but I think she's too occupied chasing around celebrity comedians to take the job seriously.
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We haven't heard from her in awhile, so I wanted to see what she's been up to!
I think you may be right! :))
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Yes, and we were very concerned about him being around his own children.
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I still am.
Cheyanne Marie @our_ttc_journey 30m30 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 @blueapron @deannatweeting it will be nice if they can get a big meal plan for you Kate especially on "quick" dinner nights.
She still has to prepare and cook it, you dimwit. Quick dinner nights are pizza delivery or Chinese take-out, all of which would be less expensive than nine Blue Apron meals.
I'm pondering whether she was on crack when she wrote that. She needs to chill just a tad. She made some good points, I guess, but she sounds near hysterical. LOL
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Lol near hysteria.
I think she has a point in that if you make sex a forbidden fruit it often encourages deviant behaviors. I think that's true of so many things and young people, like alcohol, pot, sex. Make something so out of reach and they want it even more.
She seems to think though that that CAUSES pedophilia. I don't know about that. Pedophiles can be found in nice families.
OT for dog people!
Has anyone here ever owned a Yorkie? I know they have long, silky coats, but do they need a lot of grooming...does the coat mat quickly? In other words, are they a grooming nightmare?
I saw one, and um, I can't get this pup out of my mind!
LOLOL!! I think that you basically go to the store one time with a list and purchase the items for eight kids.
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Yes, good grief.
She has Amazon Prime. Why doesn't she just order the pencils and index cards online in one full swoop and be done with it? Stop with the histrionics.
I forgot what it was one of the girls said during the interview, but I had a, "wow, she's not very bright" moment. I think it was the stuff about the illegal release. What she was saying made no sense. It was just a repeat of what the patriarchs told her to say. I don't think they have an independent thought in their body.
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There were several "not very bright" moments in that interview.
I do find it very ironic, that Jessa, in her effort to disparage InTouch magazine, said that its publisher was a major distributor of porn, and it turns out, by his own admission(later deleted), that her brother was a major porn addict.
Another good opinion piece about Josh Duggar:
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/josh-duggars-ashley-madison-problem?
A couple of excerpts:
"The flip side of the strict sexual prohibitions in the culture to which the Duggars belong is a belief, sometimes bordering on the prurient, in the unbridled nature of male sexuality. Men are often portrayed as sexually ravenous, constantly on the edge of losing control of their libidos. Women, meanwhile, are generally seen as guardians of purity who must not stoke men’s passions."
"Jessa said, by way of explaining her brother’s actions, “In Josh’s case, he was a boy, a young boy in puberty and a little too curious about girls. And that got him into some trouble.” Josh’s earlier scandal might be explained away, then, not just by his youth but by the fact that he was male. It’s not enough to argue that Josh Duggar acted out because he was repressed; there’s also the question of how these teachings affect a boy’s (or a man’s) understanding of his own sexual volition."
"Jessa Duggar’s father-in-law, Michael Seewald, wrote that the molestation incident had been “laid to rest well over a decade ago with Josh’s repentance and reformation.” But the redemption story was a little too neat, and the capacity for moral perception that was claimed by Duggar’s former defenders was blithe. Those claiming to profess a philosophy built on human brokenness might take more of a pause before making a show of declaring people mended.
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 · 9h9 hours ago
Yes... I’m drowning in back to school and work... #LifeOfAMom but wanted to say ‘hi’ and how is everyone???! #MissYou
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I wonder if TLC was behind this tweet because they plan to air new episodes soon and told Kate to get back in touch with her fan base via twitter. Since "back to school" is going to be one of the episodes, she has to whine about it to promote interest in the show.
Which will they show first? How are they going to promote the new shows? Kate and the kids on a vacation in FL because the new school year is looming and they HAVE to get away before that?
Then Kate whining about "I have so much to do before school starts", cue the back to school episode.
Then after all the stress of getting the kids back to school, Kate needs some "stress" relief--i.e. spa day. I can just hear her saying "As a mother, my most important job is to take care of my kids, but I realize in order to be a good mother, moms need to take care of themselves too!"
(Leslie) #199
Sorry Sheri but I disagree. The damage that Josh has done to Anna and his loved ones is way more damaging then what he did to his sisters.
I am strictly speaking about Josh's situation and not about molestation and cheating in general. His sisters said that it did not affect them or their lives. From their point of view, Josh was just a young kid who was curious. I can only write about what they disclosed. On the other hand, Anna is probably beyond devastated and humiliated about this years of seeking out other woman to experiment with. That shatters the very bond of their relationship.
Again I am strictly speaking about Josh's situation and not about others being molested or cheated on.
Sorry Sheri but I disagree. The damage that Josh has done to Anna and his loved ones is way more damaging then what he did to his sisters.
I am strictly speaking about Josh's situation and not about molestation and cheating in general. His sisters said that it did not affect them or their lives. From their point of view, Josh was just a young kid who was curious. I can only write about what they disclosed. On the other hand, Anna is probably beyond devastated and humiliated about this years of seeking out other woman to experiment with. That shatters the very bond of their relationship.
Again I am strictly speaking about Josh's situation and not about others being molested or cheated on.
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Those girls disclosed what they've been brainwashed to disclose. They are also taught that it is THEM who tempt the male species. They hold part, if not most of the responsibility for molestation. What the PR machine forced them to disclose is NOT what happened to them. And they were CHILDREN! Being cheated on and being a CHILD victim of inces (while the abuser is sheltered and coddled and encouraged to still have contact with his victims) is in NO WAY "not as bad" as what Anna is going through. Those girls are serving the koolaid their parents mixed up for them. They are soldiers towing the line. They are not old enough to grasp what has happened to them. PTSD usually appears years and years later.
The girls bond between brother and sister, between parent and child was shattered, stomped on and burned to the ground.
"The flip side of the strict sexual prohibitions in the culture to which the Duggars belong is a belief, sometimes bordering on the prurient, in the unbridled nature of male sexuality. Men are often portrayed as sexually ravenous, constantly on the edge of losing control of their libidos. Women, meanwhile, are generally seen as guardians of purity who must not stoke men’s passions."
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And there's the get out of jail free card for any male who has transgressions and the go straight to jail for the females.
All is forgiven if it's a boy, and then they are encouraged to hump their wives in public as adults. And if their wives aren't always available and ready well then they are again given a free pass to get it elsewhere. Jesus will forgive!! but not you young lady, you are a sinner!!
http://www.mamamia.com.au/lifestyle/sam-and-nia-ashley-madison/
Re going back to school: youngest dd goes back to college very soon. She sat down at computer with her book list last weekend. We have Amazon Prime. Some books will be waiting for her at school bookstore, some she had to order to be shipped her. Last ones arrived yesterday.
So easy getting books!
KIAT (#110), your predictions sound on track to me! On
the spa episode, too bad they can't show a flashback of
TFW's first trip, when her then best friend Beth took her,
and explained that it would help make her a better mommy.
But Beth has been "deleted" from TFW's life.
Remember how TFW would gush about Beth and Bob? "They
love us for the right reasons," "they love us and we love them,"
etc. That Beth was A's "second mommy." All that closeness
was fine was TFW still had one foot in the mediocre life.
Someone kind and loving like Beth was her perfect target --
someone to use and abuse. But once TFW had acquired all
the trappings of the celebrity life, she had no use for Beth,
and she was kicked to the curb.
On the other hand, Anna is probably beyond devastated and humiliated
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Talk to any adult survivor of childhood sexual abuse about feelings of
humiliation and devastation.
And since we are specifically speaking about the Duggars, how can you take what they've disclosed at face value when they are under such control? Just like Josh has a completely secret life, so can those Duggar girls. What they say in public is most likely not what they really feel. Anna is a also a victim but the scope of abuse the girls suffered far outweighs hers.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/22/josh-duggar-okcupid-profile-stolen-picture/
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UHOH lol
http://m.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/josh-duggar-hinted-at-wrong-thoughts-temptations-before-scandals-2015208
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Just confess and you get a clean slate. Sin again? Just confess! You will be absolved.
There's your accountability.
(Leslie)
Josh was probably looking at porn and Ashley Madison site at work. I mean at home he has a wife and four very young kids. And if the computer he was viewing it from was his employers than I bet anything they are secretly having it checked to see if he was engaged in viewing any child porn. Maybe The Family Research Council or one of its employees was the mole. HA!
People still can't get it through their thick skulls that this has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with hypocrisy. It's their history of working to suppress the rights of people who live a different lifestyle than them. A lifestyle that has zero impact on them. They only leave the compound because of TLC. Families like theirs shun the trappings of society and keep to themselves.
I saw this on a t-shirt once and I believe it speaks to the Duggar attitude:
"Jesus loves you."
"But I'm his favourite."
Vanessa said... 119
http://m.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/josh-duggar-hinted-at-wrong-thoughts-temptations-before-scandals-2015208
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Just confess and you get a clean slate. Sin again? Just confess! You will be absolved.
There's your accountability.
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That's why priests say "Go and sin no more" after confession.
Caroline said... 118
http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/22/josh-duggar-okcupid-profile-stolen-picture/
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UHOH lol
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I wondered how long it was going to take.
I hope he sues. Big time.
Matthew McCarthy tells us he was shocked see his pic on the dating site, and way more shocked to know Duggar was posing as him to score chicks.
Now check this out ... it appears Duggar got the pic by Googling "random guy" ... the third photo that comes up is Matthew's.
Matthew says he's already lost a DJ gig because the club felt he was part of the sex scandal. He feels this is somehow defamation of character, and he's considering his legal options.
Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2015/08/22/josh-duggar-okcupid-profile-stolen-picture/#ixzz3jYGEEbp6
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Hilarious. Classic doofus Duggar.
Also, can he sue? I say absolutely. It's a case of stolen identity, and it's interfered with his employment. Sounds like a tort to me.
From the article Vanessa posted:
http://m.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/josh-duggar-hinted-at-wrong-thoughts-temptations-before-scandals-2015208
“As we talked, I felt God speak to my heart that this was the girl I was going to marry someday!” he wrote. “By that night I still could not get her off my mind! I went to my dad and told him what I felt like God had told me. He told me that he thought it could be a possibility, and then asked if I felt that I was ready to get into a relationship. I knew that I had a lot to get ready if I felt courting… or even marriage was in the near future.”
So, Joshie felt God was talking to him, but Pa Duggar is the final authority? Got it. What if Pa disagrees with God? R'uh R'oh!
(Leslie)
Jesus will forgive!! but not you young lady, you are a sinner!!
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The Duggar's faith does not promote or believe that.
Kate is a twit said... 57
OT--For PA Dutch Mom and localyocul--How was the Billy Joel concert? I'm sure you both loved it!!
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It was awesome! Weather was perfect, we got to see 1 day old baby pics, and it was a great singalong!
My laugh of the morning...
@Xxxxxxxx On a scale from one to Kate Gosselin how annoying of a mommy am I ? #sorrynotsorry #ilovepostingaboutmybaby
Anonymous said... 111
(Leslie) #199
Sorry Sheri but I disagree. The damage that Josh has done to Anna and his loved ones is way more damaging then what he did to his sisters.
I am strictly speaking about Josh's situation and not about molestation and cheating in general. His sisters said that it did not affect them or their lives. From their point of view, Josh was just a young kid who was curious. I can only write about what they disclosed. On the other hand, Anna is probably beyond devastated and humiliated about this years of seeking out other woman to experiment with. That shatters the very bond of their relationship.
Again I am strictly speaking about Josh's situation and not about others being molested or cheated on.
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Leslie, you are more than welcome to disagree with me.
However, your argument doesn't move me one iota and I stand firmly in my position that what Josh Duggar did to his sisters is way more severe than what he's done to his wife.
Whether the girls have been able to properly process the abuse remains to be seen but it is abundantly clear that their public reaction was scripted, rehearsed and coerced.
Furthermore, Anna is an adult who is facing the consequences of going ahead with a marriage to a known sexual deviant. That was a CHOICE she made.
Josh's sisters did not have a choice in who their older brother was, how often he had unsupervised access to them or what he did to them.
For me, therein lies the difference and in my mind, it makes ALL the difference.
(Leslie)
Turns out, he's NOT cured. He's still a sexual deviant. He's still living a dysfunctional lifestyle. They had no idea whether this guy was all better now.
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Admin., why is Josh still a sexual deviant? Wanting to cheat and have an affair is not proof that he is deviant. It only proves he is a liar, cheater, and adulterer.
Anonymous said... 126
(Leslie)
Jesus will forgive!! but not you young lady, you are a sinner!!
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The Duggar's faith does not promote or believe that.
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The Duggar's faith does believe that females needs the constant guidance from their fathers and then their husbands because females are more easily influenced by Satan.
(Leslie)
Turns out, he's NOT cured. He's still a sexual deviant. He's still living a dysfunctional lifestyle. They had no idea whether this guy was all better now.
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Admin., why is Josh still a sexual deviant? Wanting to cheat and have an affair is not proof that he is deviant. It only proves he is a liar, cheater, and adulterer.
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So you're saying he WAS a deviant? And when he was being a deviant with his young sisters, what he did to them was less damaging than him cheating on Anna? ?
The Duggar's faith does not promote or believe that.
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WHAT?
This is in Josh's own words
“I learned quickly that great freedom can be achieved by accountability, and great accountability requires humility & openness,” he continued. “I often had failures in my early teenage years, but found I had a clear conscience only when I was willing to confess my thoughts and temptations quickly to God & my parents.”
Read more: http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/josh-duggar-hinted-at-wrong-thoughts-temptations-before-scandals-2015208#ixzz3jYRkb1bQ
Follow us: @usweekly on Twitter | usweekly on Facebook
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He confesses and now his conscience is clear. If that's not absolving of sin, I don't know what is??
Anonymous said... 126
(Leslie)
Jesus will forgive!! but not you young lady, you are a sinner!!
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The Duggar's faith does not promote or believe that.
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The Duggar's faith does believe that females needs the constant guidance from their fathers and then their husbands because females are more easily influenced by Satan.
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They shun unwed mothers. They have a chart explaining to the victim how their abuse is their fault. How is this not promoted?
Admin., why is Josh still a sexual deviant? Wanting to cheat and have an affair is not proof that he is deviant. It only proves he is a liar, cheater, and adulterer.
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So you're saying he WAS a deviant? And when he was being a deviant with his young sisters, what he did to them was less damaging than him cheating on Anna? ?
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His behavior now is deviant.
He displays some of the classic signs of a sexual predator. This does not mean everyone on the Ashley Madison site is a sexual predator or deviant. But it is a warning sign.
There are some common characteristics of sexual predators. If you're worried your teen may be a sexual predator, look for these warning signs:
Refusal to take responsibility for actions and blames others or circumstances for failures
A sense of entitlement
Low self-esteem
Need for power and control
Lack of empathy
Inability to form intimate relationships with adults
History of abuse
Troubled childhood
Deviant sexual behavior and attitudes
From the book, Protecting Your Children from Sexual Predators, by Dr. Leigh M. Baker.
Other Tips on Spotting a Sexual Predator:
Often offend where they won't get caught — when they have misdirected people's attention
Often married or in relationships
Offend when the victim is handy
Not always strangers, often family members, family friends and neighbors
Most attracted to adults
Good manipulators (seduction is an integral part)
Overly self-indulgent
Arrogant
Sexualize, objectify women
Users of various kinds of pornography
Typically known as rationalizers, intellectualizers, justifiers
Great helpers — are there to lend a helping hand — prey on people in need, when they can insinuate themselves in your life
Use stressful and vulnerable situations to get in — they find a need they can fill and they use that to get next to the victim
Common Attributes of Child Molesters:
-- from A Profile of the Child Molester
Pedophiles are notoriously friendly, nice, kind, engaging and likeable.
Pedophiles target their victims, often insinuating themselves into that child's life through their family, school, house of worship, sports, and hobbies.
Pedophiles are professional con artists and are experts at getting children and families to trust them.
Pedophiles will smile at you, look you right in the eye and make you believe they are trustworthy.
P.J. said... 125
From the article Vanessa posted:
http://m.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/josh-duggar-hinted-at-wrong-thoughts-temptations-before-scandals-2015208
“As we talked, I felt God speak to my heart that this was the girl I was going to marry someday!” he wrote. “By that night I still could not get her off my mind! I went to my dad and told him what I felt like God had told me. He told me that he thought it could be a possibility, and then asked if I felt that I was ready to get into a relationship. I knew that I had a lot to get ready if I felt courting… or even marriage was in the near future.”
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Hadn't Joshieboy already courted with at least one other girl prior to this?
I really think the "god speaks to me" nonsense is extremely troubling, and I hear it a lot among the religious.
This is mumbo jumbo. They convince themselves some higher power is sending them a message, to justify whatever it is they are doing. Could be something innocent like changing jobs or going on a mission trip. But it's used to justify huge decisions that maybe aren't right at all for someone objectively speaking, like to have dozens of children, marry too young, or take a job that's really just about making much more money and not your happiness or being able to have time for your family.
When "God speaks" is used to justify poor decisions, that is a cop out and is wrong. And I think they darn well know it deep down. I really do.
(Leslie)
Sheri said #129: "your argument doesn't move me one iota"
Well, Sheri, then why did you write the following to me.: "Please, for the love of all that's good in this world, tell me I'm reading this wrong.
Do you honestly believe that a married man using an adult cheating website is "way more serious" than him molesting his young sisters?
I will leave it at that before I'm tempted to break one or two of Admin's posting rules." (Post #199)
It sounds like my argument did move you and upset you. I am sorry I disagree with you. I think it is best to drop it. I don't know and you don't know if Anna or his sisters were more destroyed because of Josh's actions.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/21/us/subway-jared-fogle-informant-child-pornography-allegations/index.html
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An interview by admin's boyfriend. I know the circumstances are different (so far) but what if Joshieboy did face time with one of the women at Ashley Madison? Even if it was just an online chat, is the chat still in that woman's account?
I think we'll start seeing transcript(s) of Joshieboy's chat(s) by the end of next week. I'm sure the Duggards are breathing a sigh of relief that the s*** hit the fan (again) at the end of the week, but just like last time it will still be there come Monday.
Susan1956 said... 136
P.J. said... 125
From the article Vanessa posted:
http://m.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/josh-duggar-hinted-at-wrong-thoughts-temptations-before-scandals-2015208
“As we talked, I felt God speak to my heart that this was the girl I was going to marry someday!” he wrote. “By that night I still could not get her off my mind! I went to my dad and told him what I felt like God had told me. He told me that he thought it could be a possibility, and then asked if I felt that I was ready to get into a relationship. I knew that I had a lot to get ready if I felt courting… or even marriage was in the near future.”
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Hadn't Joshieboy already courted with at least one other girl prior to this?
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Yup, I wonder who got that one wrong, God or JimBoob?
(Leslie)
I don't think Josh was in any courtship with any other woman before Anna.
Yes, he was engaged before.
http://starmagazine.com/2015/06/03/josh-duggar-was-betrothed-to-marry-before-anna-arkansas-politician-father-covers-up-the-story/
Yeah, Admin (#134), I wish God would talk to their brains more often.
The problem too with "God speaks to me, telling me what to do" is it's somewhat contrary to other parts of the Bible. If you're a New Testament believer it is very clear we as humans have our own free will. This idea that some higher power is buzzing in your ear directing you which way to go is not only silly, but somewhat contradictory. If God buzzes in our ear all the time why bother having free will. It would be easier to just listen to the buzzing.
They use this crap to justify bad decisions and they darn well know it.
Class action lawsuits are starting:
Ashley Madison faces $578M Canadian class-action lawsuit
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/ashley-madison-faces-dollar578m-canadian-class-action-lawsuit/ar-BBlZx9A
"They are outraged that AshleyMadison.com failed to protect its users' information. In many cases, the users paid an additional fee for the website to remove all of their user data, only to discover that the information was left intact and exposed," lawyer Ted Charney said.
"The sensitivity of the information is so extreme and the repercussions of this breach are so extreme, it puts the damages faced by members in a completely different category of class-action suits," said Charney."
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I dunno. Isn't this sort of a buyer beware thing? If the information one is putting on the internet can cause such dire consequences, shouldn't that info NOT be put on the internet? It isn't as if hacking websites is a big secret. There have been huge hacks from supposed "secure" websites on the news constantly.
(Leslie)
Admin., I still don't understand why you state that Josh's behavior is NOW deviant. Though what you posted #135 was informative and interesting I don't see how this demonstrates or points to explaining your point about Josh.
Unfortunately I think many, many people cheat and lie to their partners in marriage. For heaven sakes, it was double digits in the millions that signed up for this one cheating AM site. In Josh's post (where he posted another man's photo) he said that he was seeking a woman in the age range of 19 to 35. That proves that he is not seeking out young minors. Also all of his wants and likes on the AM site was very normal. So I am baffled why his cheating and signing up for this site makes him a sexual deviant.
Don't get me wrong, his past and present actions have been extremely damaging. And I believe he has problems that need to be addressed in an intense way. But I don't agree that this revelation of signing up for this site makes him a sexual deviant.
I always value your opinions but I am baffled by this one. Thanks!
Anonymous said...(138)
(Leslie)
Sheri said #129: "your argument doesn't move me one iota"
"Well, Sheri, then why did you write the following to me.: "Please, for the love of all that's good in this world, tell me I'm reading this wrong.
Do you honestly believe that a married man using an adult cheating website is "way more serious" than him molesting his young sisters?
I will leave it at that before I'm tempted to break one or two of Admin's posting rules." (Post #199)
It sounds like my argument did move you and upset you. I am sorry I disagree with you. I think it is best to drop it. I don't know and you don't know if Anna or his sisters were more destroyed because of Josh's actions."
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Your initial statement moved me yes, I was sincerely shocked by what I read. What did not move me was your argument at 111 defending your statement. I stand by my position.
Leslie wrote: "I don't know and you don't know if Anna or his sisters were more destroyed because of Josh's actions."
You're right, I don't. What I do know though is that sexual assault on a child is a CRIME and cheating on your spouse is NOT. Pretty sure there's a reason for that.
What I do agree with you on is that this should be the end of it.
The basis for God speaking can be found in Luke, in the Road to Emmaus Resurrection appearance.
"They asked each other, 'Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”'
(Luke 24:32)
In Biblical parlance, the heart is the central core of one's emotions, intellect and aspirations. There are countless OT references to this.
where he posted another man's photo) he said that he was seeking a woman in the age range of 19 to 35. That proves that he is not seeking out young minors.
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Umm, that site would have been shut the hell down if one of your options was "under the age of 18"
There is an underground culture in kiddie porn. This was legit business/site
Doesn't prove he is only into girls of legal consent
His sisters said that it did not affect them or their lives. From their point of view, Josh was just a young kid who was curious. I can only write about what they disclosed. On the other hand, Anna is probably beyond devastated and humiliated about this years of seeking out other woman to experiment with. (111)
Thing is, Anna hasn't disclosed anything yet. You, yourself, use of the adverb "probably" in your post.
Admin., why is Josh still a sexual deviant? Wanting to cheat and have an affair is not proof that he is deviant. It only proves he is a liar, cheater, and adulterer.
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So you're saying he WAS a deviant? And when he was being a deviant with his young sisters, what he did to them was less damaging than him cheating on Anna? ?
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His behavior now is deviant.
He displays some of the classic signs of a sexual predator. This does not mean everyone on the Ashley Madison site is a sexual predator or deviant. But it is a warning sign.
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I agree with you admin
My question was for Leslie
She said the cheating was worse than the molestation of his young sisters. That Anna's suffered more than the little girls.
If it's just cheating how can that be?
If sexual deviants are punished by law, why aren't cheaters?
Last I heard you don't go to jail for cheating. Could it be that it's a crime? That their votes suffer far more than a victim of adultery?
Should read their victims not votes
(Leslie)
White Organza, we all know that Anna has not said anything. That is a given. Do you not agree with my opinion that "Anna is probably beyond devastated and humiliated about this years of seeking out other woman to experiment with." I really don't understand your post #150.
Anonymous said...(138)
(Leslie)
I don't know and you don't know if Anna or his sisters were more destroyed because of Josh's actions."
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I don't think Anna or the sisters know either because they've been brainwashed. They've been told how they're supposed to feel even if their instinctive reaction to being molested repulses them. It's unconscionable to tell those young girls that men who criminally violate your body need your forgiveness or to encode into married woman's head that she take the blame for her husband's sexual meandering.
These Quiverfull women need exit counseling from this cult.
I totally agree with Sheri. Being molested as a child I something you never get over. Whether it is penetration or taking liberties with hands you never forget. Even an adult being molested is hard to get over. A cheating husband is painful, but not to the degree of being violated by unwanted advances.
Ky pastor, thanks for the scripture reference.
Two people who are probably more devastated by this revelation about Josh than his previous actions are his parents. His parents handled the matter of his molestation of the girls to their satisfaction, and as far as they were concerned it was a problem that had been put in a neat little box and tied with a bow and put away, never to be spoken of again. First they are upset by the publicity about the molestation, then they are bewildered about why can't everyone else forgive him, and why can't they all still be on tv.
Now, they know Josh has lied to them, his wife, his employers, everyone about who he really is. Oh, and no way will this family ever get back on tv. Ma and Pa Dugger may actually start wondering what did they do to cause this.
Naw, that will never happen. Josh and his wife will be blamed.
I have a question...trying to catch up on this latest Joshie mess. If he had two accounts (one under a Smithson name), did he grab another person's selfie and post it as a photo of himself? I'm not understanding that one account.
where he posted another man's photo) he said that he was seeking a woman in the age range of 19 to 35. That proves that he is not seeking out young minors.
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Jerad Fogle was married, with children. He's going to jail. So, no, that dating profile doesn't prove Josh Duggar wasn't seeking out minors.
I'm sorry, I should have said that the Biblical basis of God speaking TO THE HEART that Christians utilize is in the Emmaus story. God was speaking to ears long before that, according to the Scriptures.
It can be argued that God spoke to David's heart too, which caused him to write such heartfelt Psalms (and to not kill King Saul when he had the chance), but the Lucan account is the Scripture that is most prevalent for this common phrase.
I was at the grocery store earlier today and like the issues featuring America's favorite mommy of 8! (snark) the People issue featuring the Duggar sisters is not flying off the shelves. Because I was curious, I opened the magazine to the article and was greeted with a large picture of JimBoob and Babykins flanked by the sisters and their husbands on the staircase in the family home. I didn't read the article, but noticed one of the 'boxed' (if that makes sense) interviews on the opposite page which was JimBoob expressing his continued belief that the release of Joshieboy's records were wrong.
I didn't really notice how pregnant the one girl was, but I sincerely doubt that the other couple flew back from El Salvadore for the pictures and interviews. So that means that the pictures at least were taken around the time of their FOX interview. So with the People issue and the abuse special airing tomorrow, I'd say that TLC and JimBoob plan to keep testing the public's willingness to let the Duggars back on TV.
The only question I have is did the Duggars split the $75,000 'interview' fee 3 ways or did JimBoob get more as the girls' manager?
(Leslie)
Gee, it is pile on Leslie day. I have tried to be polite in my postings. I am sorry if others do not agree with me.
Vanessa, please go back and read by last post to Sheri. I said I don't know and you don't know if Josh's sisters or Anna was more damaged/destroyed by Josh's actions. I never said "it was just cheating". Please read over all my posts and correct me if I am wrong. You seem to be asking me questions about cheating and molesting in general and I am NOT talking about generalities. I was only referring to what his sisters said.
I will explain MY FEELINGS on the subject again. I am basing this STRICTLY on what his sisters said about what he did to them. They said in so many words that it did not affect them greatly at all. Heck, I took it that it barely affected them. According to them they were sleeping. Please do not think that I agree that incest or molestation is not gravely destructive because it is. And I don't need to be told that the sisters are brainwashed and they are REALLY damaged. We don't know anything except what they said in an hour interview on the subject.
But I am assuming that Anna's entire world is turned upside down over these revelations. For years Josh has sought out strange woman in AR and DC to provide him what she probably has not been providing him. The very fabric, trust, intimacy, history of their courtship and covenant marriage has been questioned and shaken to its very core due to his selfishness. It will be years of extreme pain of herself questioning that she was not enough for her husband. (And in reality his affairs are not a reflection of her not being good enough). Not only was it cheating it was hundreds of lies to her face. They have been married for seven years now. She must be wondering how long has he felt this way...wanting to experiment with other women. Now she has to face that her husband has sexual problems and that what she thought before (her previous statement) was incorrect. She has to be devastated that her children will grow up and be able to read about all of this. She has to make huge lifelong decisions as to how to handle this. Handle it not only privately but she has the public glaring in. It must be a horrible embarrassment to read about what your husband wants in a woman and that woman isn't you. She must be worried to death about whether Josh will ever be healed enough to just be happy with her. This is her life partner and he horribly betrayed her. The core of who she thought he was turned out to be not true. Their income and livelihood will be greatly affected because of all of this. What type of job will he be able to secure. Also she has to worry that they have a good chance of being sued by the man whose photo he used. And she must be worried what else is he not telling her privately and and what else may come out in the press.
So yes, I think Anna is suffering more than his sisters. Sorry if you don't agree with me. Nobody will change my mind. And my thinking this has NOTHING to do with how you or others may have been molested and how it has affected your life. For that I am truly sorry.
My ex brother-in-law repeatedly made sexually moves on me when I was a very shy 19 year old teen. I am 60 years old and still remember the feelings and confusion. He groped me several times, tried to french kiss me, told me sex dreams he had about me, and finally crawled in bed with me and flat out tried to sleep with me. He was engaged and married my favorite and closest sister while he repeatedly attempted to do this to me. No it was not a molestation but it was close. And when I finally told my sister she did not believe me at first. It was devastating. I questioned myself when I did nothing wrong whatsoever.
So I am baffled why his cheating and signing up for this site makes him a sexual deviant.
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It's really not that difficult to understand. His behavior is still deviant. By definition, deviant behavior is any action or behavior that violates social norms, As far as I know, adultery, cheating, seeking out women who are not the spouse deviates from the social norm. It's not a common thing that most people do; it isn't within the realm of accepted societal behavior, so yes, Josh still exhibits deviant behavior.
"But I don't agree that this revelation of signing up for this site makes him a sexual deviant."
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Sociologically speaking, yes, it does.
(Leslie)
And another thing Anna is faced with is her husband has a bad porn addiction. That must be hard for any wife to deal with but for her it must be horrifying. Of course I base this on her background, religious beliefs, being a public figure, and her husband's hypocrisy as related to his past job.
That proves that he is not seeking out young minors.
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No, it only proves that he is not seeking young minors ON THAT SITE! With these revelations coming out, how is anyone to know that he still isn't into minors? He may be, he may not be. I don't think we've yet heard the end of what he's been up to.
Rhythm of Life- about Yorkies, I was fostering an old one, she was so precious, but had a heart attack and died in my arms, so that was a very sad night. Right now I have Bichon/Shi Tzu mixes, and when they are gone to the Bridge, I will then get myself a little Yorkie. Yes, they should be combed thru every couple of days, they are so worth it. Very smart, very loving and protective (yes, at 4 pounds!), you would be really glad you got one.
Sue_Buddy said... 145
Class action lawsuits are starting:
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I was wondering how soon that would happen. According to a few articles, no wonder many attorneys are looking forward to the lawsuits, civil and divorce, rubbing their hands in anticipation of clients.
I dunno. Isn't this sort of a buyer beware thing? If the information one is putting on the internet can cause such dire consequences, shouldn't that info NOT be put on the internet? It isn't as if hacking websites is a big secret. There have been huge hacks from supposed "secure" websites on the news constantly.
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Oh, exactly. No website is secure, not even the IRS!
If you don't want your cheating/adultery desires exposed, don't put it on the internet. Go to your friendly, local neighborhood drinking establishment and find someone willing and able.
Kidding of course!
Sorry Sheri but I disagree. The damage that Josh has done to Anna and his loved ones is way more damaging then what he did to his sisters.
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Reading from the bottom up. Wow. Are you serious? I don't even have words to respond to that one! Maybe I better go back under the veranda.
Also, can he sue? I say absolutely. It's a case of stolen identity, and it's interfered with his employment. Sounds like a tort to me.
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I'd sue the heck out of Duggar, especially if he can prove damages, defamation, and anything else his attorney can come up with. I'm not in favor of suing just for the fun of it in this litigious society, but this is one time I'd say to go for it!
Funny thing is that the person looks exactly like someone I know, and I had to enlarge the picture to make sure it wasn't him. He said he's had several people asking if that was his photo. It could be his doppelganger.
But the redemption story was a little too neat, and the capacity for moral perception that was claimed by Duggar’s former defenders was blithe. Those claiming to profess a philosophy built on human brokenness might take more of a pause before making a show of declaring people mended.
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Where's Huckabee? Taking an impromptu vacation?
OT to Joy...
When buying textbooks and the latest edition is required, always check to make sure how much of a difference there is between the previous edition and the new one. So many times the only difference is the cover, or chapter names, or something really insignificant. You can save mega bucks by not purchasing the newest edition, but rather buying the previous one. In fact, even though the latest edition is marked "required," if you can contact the prof and get his/her approval to get a used earlier edition, it's even better. They often are in favor of that if it can save you money.
The cost of new textbooks is insane.
Nobody is piling on you Leslie
What you said was quite shocking. Expect some reactions
My ex brother-in-law repeatedly made sexually moves on me when I was a very shy 19 year old
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You were 19. You knew what he was doing
Not 5 yrs old and it wasn't your brother
Vanessa said... 171
Nobody is piling on you Leslie
What you said was quite shocking. Expect some reactions
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Exactly. I was hoping that I had misunderstood the comment, but apparently not, and it is surprising to read on this board, where we are all about the exploitation of children.
And another thing Anna is faced with is her husband has a bad porn addiction. That must be hard for any wife to deal with but for her it must be horrifying. Of course I base this on her background, religious beliefs, being a public figure, and her husband's hypocrisy as related to his past job.
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Hmm pornograpgy or pedophilia?
I'll take pornography
So when Josh lifted that photo of a random guy and used it as his own, he never stopped to think that he might be damaging another person's reputation, or how it would affect his life? I'd sue the little runt.
Nice, Josh, old boy. Now only is he a conniving cheater, but he is a thief. I can't figure out if he's that stupid, or really doesn't give a flying fig about posing as another person. You always get found out.
Wasn't there a sheeple who did the same thing...grabbed a photo of a woman off the internet and pretended she was the one in the picture? Did that other person ever find out that someone had done that?
Anonymous said...(161)
(Leslie)
"Gee, it is pile on Leslie day. I have tried to be polite in my postings. I am sorry if others do not agree with me."
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I thought we agreed this would be the end of it?
Since you brought my name up again, I thought I'd weigh in.
I do not agree that we have been piling on you. I'm sorry that you see it that way Leslie. I think that many of us are struggling with understanding your perspective.
You need not apologize for disagreeing but it does seem that you are insistent that somebody see your side. I thank you for sharing your experience.
But to compare having unwanted advances directed at you, at the age of 19, by a creepy brother-in-law is nowhere near the experience of being a five, six, seven, eight, nine (you see where I'm going here) year old girl and having an immediate family member actually stick his hand down your pants.
And don't get me wrong, I do have some empathy for Anna. It could not have been easy being raised in that environment, Eve and the Apple and all that.
But through TLC and the mainstreaming of the Duggar brand, she was exposed to the larger world. Someone else said either in this thread or previous, "When you lie down with dogs, you're gonna get fleas." So apt.
My ex brother-in-law repeatedly made sexually moves on me when I was a very shy 19 year old teen. I am 60 years old and still remember the feelings and confusion. He groped me several times, tried to french kiss me, told me sex dreams he had about me, and finally crawled in bed with me and flat out tried to sleep with me. He was engaged and married my favorite and closest sister while he repeatedly attempted to do this to me. No it was not a molestation but it was close. (Leslie, 161).
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Leslie, just curious. How do you define molestation? If he did what you said he did, this certainly sounds like molestation.
In your opinion, then, did Josh molest his sisters?
Blowing In The Wind said... 170
But the redemption story was a little too neat, and the capacity for moral perception that was claimed by Duggar’s former defenders was blithe. Those claiming to profess a philosophy built on human brokenness might take more of a pause before making a show of declaring people mended.
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Where's Huckabee? Taking an impromptu vacation?
OT to Joy...
When buying textbooks and the latest edition is required, always check to make sure how much of a difference there is between the previous edition and the new one. So many times the only difference is the cover, or chapter names, or something really insignificant. You can save mega bucks by not purchasing the newest edition, but rather buying the previous one. In fact, even though the latest edition is marked "required," if you can contact the prof and get his/her approval to get a used earlier edition, it's even better. They often are in favor of that if it can save you money.
The cost of new textbooks is insane.
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One of my good friend's son needed a trigonometry/calculus math book and it was going to cost $68. I had told her if she needed me to find text books cheaper that I would do it for her. Well, low and behold I found it on Amazon in good condition for a whopping $0.87!!!
When I sent her the link, she was so excited. I jokingly told her that her dh owed me a med. well steak dinner for saving all that money! haha
Still waiting on my steak.
The cost of new textbooks is insane.
August 22, 2015 at
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Only purchase college textbooks as a last resort.
RENT!
Cheggs.com or Bookrenter.com -- fast, easy. The companies pay shipping both ways. Students can write, highlight, etc in the textbooks.
Leslie, based on what you said, IF Josh's sisters had said in the Fox interview that the ones who were molested were all devastated and in intensive therapy, would you have made the same statement that started this whole hullabaloo?
(Leslie)
#177 - He rubbed his hands on my thighs while driving and attempted to french kiss me. That was as far as physical touching me. I don't consider that molestation. I think I would classify it as unwanted sexual advances. I really don't know. I told my parents and others about ten years ago and they all barely batted an eyelash. By the way, the jackass cheated repeatedly on my sister..big surprise (snark)!
And yes, Josh molested his sisters & friend. He touched their breasts and genitals. Of course that is molestation and incest. It was horrible what he did to them. BUT ACCORDING TO HIS SISTERS they don't think he molested them. That was the whole point of my original post. Because they claim they were barely affected, I think Anna will have a much harder time with Josh's newest revelations. I don't think molestation of minors is less significant than adultery.
(Leslie)
Sheri said: "I thought we agreed this would be the end of it?" Yes, Sheri I thought so too. I have only replied to others who continue this subject.
And again,I was not comparing what happened to me to what happened to the sisters. I really am sorry for mentioning my experience. But it is being taken the wrong way.
Somewhere in Time said...
I'd sue the little runt.
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Whoa! I read that really, really, fast. LOL!
While I didn't agree with Leslie's view at first, I have more compassion on her lengthy view since. (hugs)
Leslie (#161), I am sorry to hear what happened to you
when with your ex brother-in-law when you were a teenager.
I appreciate your candor, and think it's brave whenever
people share such sensitive matters.
(Leslie)
Sue Buddy, "Leslie, based on what you said, IF Josh's sisters had said in the Fox interview that the ones who were molested were all devastated and in intensive therapy, would you have made the same statement that started this whole hullabaloo?
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Heck no, Sue Buddy. And Sheri said that seem insistent that somebody see my side. I previously posted that I don't care if nobody agrees with me, I am not changing my mind. So again, the only reason I keep posting about this is because others are asking me questions or commenting about what I said. I am not trying to be argumentative.
Unfortunately, (maybe fortunately) most of us don't live under the
veranda swigging.
Anonymous said... 186
(Leslie)
Heck no, Sue Buddy. And Sheri said that seem insistent that somebody see my side. I previously posted that I don't care if nobody agrees with me, I am not changing my mind. So again, the only reason I keep posting about this is because others are asking me questions or commenting about what I said. I am not trying to be argumentative.
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That's what I thought you'd say. It appears that some people have completely misunderstood your original post.
(Leslie)
#185 Thanks FlimsyFlamsy, it post made me cry. Nobody has ever said that to me.
Where's Auntie?? We need some comic relief here asap! :b
While I didn't agree with Leslie's view at first, I have more compassion on her lengthy view since. (hugs)
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I am so confused. Leslie said she's not changing her mind...
"I previously posted that I don't care if nobody agrees with me, I am not changing my mind." (186).
So others have changed their minds about what she said?
I need a drink, and if it's under the veranda, then so be it.:)
I apologize Leslie if you felt piled on, that was it my intention. I think we need to change the subject.
What has that bitch tfw been up.to??
Whoa! I read that really, really, fast. LOL!
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Runt, P.J. Runt. With an R!
Leslie 161.....if groping you several times, trying to French kiss you and crawling into your bed with you trying to get you to sleep with him is not being molested, what do you call it? I cannot think of any other name. Maybe assault?
He rubbed his hands on my thighs while driving and attempted to french kiss me. That was as far as physical touching me. I don't consider that molestation. I think I would classify it as unwanted sexual advances
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Leslie, molestation *is* subjecting a person to unwanted sexual advances.
Ugh! People gave them ANOTHER story? In the famous words of sKate Gosselin: "I don't get it."
http://www.people.com/article/duggars-religious-beliefs-lifestyle-their-own-words
They deny they're Quiverfull.
Somewhere In Time said... 175
So when Josh lifted that photo of a random guy and used it as his own, he never stopped to think that he might be damaging another person's reputation, or how it would affect his life? I'd sue the little runt.
Nice, Josh, old boy. Now only is he a conniving cheater, but he is a thief. I can't figure out if he's that stupid, or really doesn't give a flying fig about posing as another person. You always get found out.
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JoshieBoy didn't give a flying fig about the potential effect on another human being when he lifted that photo off the 'net and used it as his profile picture. It was all about what JoshieBoy wanted and I think it has been for some time. Like a lot of others on this blog, JoshieBoy and JimBoob have always struck me as smarmy. But in addition to being a sexual deviant, I think JoshieBoy also has some sociopathic personality traits.
As the eldest child and first-born son in the Duggar family, I think he was probably a bit spoiled and excuses were made for any misbehavior. When when the younger kids started coming along, he was thrust into the role of surrogate parent and was in a position of authority over his siblings. Despite a broken betrothal and the attacks on his sisters, he was trotted out as an upstanding young Christian man and encouraged to marry. Like his elders in the Quiverfull cult, he learned to use religious beliefs for his own gain and got quite a high position in Washington based on that and his family name. But JoshieBoy got lazy--couldn't he have at least photo shopped a profile picture for himself--not sure what he could do about the name on the credit card and the billing address.
I don't think he feels any remorse for his actions. He probably feels sorry for himself--that he got caught, Daddy can't fix it, and he and his family have lost a certain lifestyle.
I think Josh was the most honest when he was talking about not being able to choose the consequences. He has wanted to do so much without consequences including stealing another young man's photo, and it's not going to work that way.
So others have changed their minds about what she said?
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Absolutely not. I myself, agree to disagree
They deny they're Quiverfull.
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Yeah their plans to start their own cult were foiled dagnabbit!
OT to Redbird -- I'm watching Valerie Bertinelli's cooking show
on DVR right now, and she is a natural! So at ease in front of
the camera. You can tell every word isn't scripted, although
surely the structure is in place. And this chick knows her way
around a kitchen. Not like some people who can barely
muddle their way through preparing a salad at a public
event (as described to us by our intrepid reporter Layla!).
Funny story -- about 20 years ago, I saw Valerie in a grocery
store near my house, ordering cold cuts. At least I thought it
was her, but the child she had with her looked like a girl, and
I knew she had a son, Wolfgang (Van Halen). Then I realized
why I was confused -- her son, like his rock star dad, had very
long hair!
@Susan1956#197
Great post
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