Monday, October 12, 2015

Blogger and reality star Jaime Primak Sullivan defends exploiting her children

Facing mounting criticism from her readers after posting daily updates and photos of her young children, the Yahoo mommy blogger and 'Jersey Belle' star lashes out.


Sullivan says it's okay to exploit her kids. Here, we respond to her flawed and misguided reasoning.

  • Sullivan says the support of strangers is a beautiful thing.

Our response: It's normal for human beings to want to feel loved and supported. However these emotions almost all feel deeper and more sincere when they come from people you have a stake in, namely family and friends. Most strangers probably have all good intentions when it comes to offering support to another stranger, but how do you distinguish the good from the unhealthy or even sinister, especially when the support is for your little children? And why aren't these strangers concentrating their support on their own friends and family?

  • Sharing her children's humor brings joy to her 100,000 readers, which in turn brings Sullivan joy.
Our response: Again we ask, wouldn't the emotion of joy be felt much deeper if it were a grandparent, husband, friend or sibling your children brought joy to? What's more, children should not be brought into the world to bring other's joy. That puts too much of a burden on a young child who will not always feel silly or joyful. A child needs to be free to experience a variety of emotions, including getting angry and acting out, without the pressure put on him to make others happy all the time, much less complete strangers.
  • I never post if they ask me not to, Sullivan says.
This is good I suppose. However, it's not enough. The Sullivan children are not teenagers like the Gosselin twins, getting to an age where they fully understand what they want the public to see and not see. They are only seven, six, and four years old. None of them are even remotely old enough to understand the implications of posting a photo on social media. They are not old enough to even be told about what physical and emotional dangers could befall them from such posts, let alone capable of understanding those dangers. Sullivan needs to be the adult here and make these adult decisions for them instead of burdening them with decisions they are not old enough to understand. Sullivan also needs a much better understanding of her children's emotional and cognitive development before burdening her children with the complex decision of whether something should be posted on social media.
  • The risk the children might someday look back on what Sullivan did and resent it are not any greater than letting a child play football, go trick-or-treating at night or to a sleepover, or letting a child ride a bicycle down the street.
Not knowing how her kids will feel someday, it's hard to compare risks. The risks may be the same. They might be less, they might be much more. It will depend on her individual children.  However the risks Sullivan compared social media to have a very important distinction. Those other risks all enhance childhood to a degree so important that it's worth any negligible danger. Those risks all promote a child's social and emotional development. It's important for children to strike out into the world and learn how to navigate it, whether that's on a bicycle or at a friend's house, or playing a team sport.

Social media, in striking contrast, does not provide any benefit to her children. Social media does not make her children's lives any better or worse. It certainly makes Sullivan feel better. It clearly justifies her, makes her feel important, makes her feel validated, and is financially lucrative. But her children reap none of these benefits. They're just kids, too young to feel the complex emotional gratification Sullivan does after every "like". 

  • Sullivan believe the risk of pedophiles coming after her children is unlikely and overstated.
Why take the risk at all when there is no benefit to them to plaster them all over social media? 

  • As a parent, Sullivan has a "given" right to decide what's best for her children.
She does. And when she chooses to make those rights public, readers have a right to criticize it.  As one comment said so pointedly on Sullivan's blog post, "The real reason(s) that you let people watch your kids online is for the money and because you want to be popular."

Final thoughts. As for the #noshameparenting hashtag, talk about confusing the issue. No one is asking anyone to feel shameful about parenting. We're simply asking that parenting be done in private. What's particularly frustrating about this situation is that Sullivan is a smart and savvy businesswoman who has made it on her own. She spent years in Los Angeles as president of a highly successful PR firm for some of the hottest bars and nightclubs, and recently started venturing into movie production. Her husband is a high powered lobbyist  She doesn't "need" to exploit her children to be successful. Due to the Sulllivans' hard work and success, their children's privacy rights can be protected without need for them to earn the family's paychecks for their parents. We urge the Sullivans to give their children that right.

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lucy said...

redbird, what is the diff between a graft and a fistula? I know one of them protrudes in such a way it looks like a deformity or mass. I thought they could do dialysis at night while you were sleeping? Have you ever had a transplant. Would love to see you free from that grueling schedule. I don't know too much about diaysis but it sounds awful. How do people work and do this??? I hope you find a kidney from a family member.

God Bless you

P.J. said...

KIAT said...

The episode will air on Nov. 4 at 9pm ET on NBC. Here's a preview of the episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYvfmIENFnI

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Thanks. I'll have to make a point of seeing it. Too bad the Duggars will never see it. It's okay for them to be ON tv, but not to WATCH tv.

Over In TFW's County said...

fidosmommy said... 179
Calling Rep. Murt! Calling Paul Peterson! Are you aware children are being filmed in PA? Who is following up on compliance? How does that system of accountability work?

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Call Rep Murt's office or send him an e-mail. He is very accessible and will take any concerns seriously and look into it.

P.J. said...

Oooh, Identical male triplets. Suck it, sKate.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/23/us/identical-triplets-baltimore-feat/index.html

redbird said...

A fistula is when they take your 2 veins and sew them together and make one big vein for the needles to go in. A graft is when the fistula doesn't work anymore and they put in a soft plastic tube in place of the vein.

Thank you lucy!

Tucker's Mom said...

There's something sad about Cara, a dark-haired Asian featured girl dying her hair blonde.
Jon=Korean=bad
Kate=Anglo=good

It's fine for kids to experiment, but to go blonde on an ongoing basis, I mean "salon" blonde, sends the wrong message to a 14 year old girl.
Kate should be sad Cara is drastically altering the way God made her.
A splash of henna is fun and temporary. What Cara is doing is drastically altering the way she looks.
She's got gorgeous hair and it's a shame a pretty girl like her feels the need to change herself at such a young age.

I don't know. At that age, I'd try to reinforce accepting the way she is, with all the positives, instead of seeing her as a Jr. Barbie in training.

MikeB said...

Basically kids 9-15 can film 5 hours per day in their home and 5 out of 9 hours away from their home. I bet TLC has the kids split into three groups; the twins, the girl tups, and the boy tups. That way they can get footage all day on the weekends as long as they keep one group filming while the other two groups are in a holding pen. If they do happen to head out for the day they can use the split groups to get footage all day by simply having the tups head out first, have the twins join in later (after lunch for example), and send the tups home early while the twins film into the night.

The only good thing I can think of is they likely aren't filming much, if any, on school days. Kate knows missing school will start to bring unwanted attention particularly given C's special needs and TLC probably won't send a crew out just for a couple of hours on a weeknight. I think you are going to see very highly scripted shows with deliberate preparation in advance. No more random filming of the kids hoping to catch some TV worthy moments; Kate is going to ensure she gets as much footage in as little time as possible.

Localyocul said...

Kate should be sad Cara is drastically altering the way God made her.

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Just like TfW did

Jane said...

I thought there might be a few fill-in, throw away shows but no more than that. And the sheeple continue to harass other RTV shows that film kids but give Kate a break. Their heads are too wooly to see the error of their ways.

A quick glance at the twins Instagram accounts show at least one has a boyfriend, or a friend who's a boy, -- love words and heart emojis. Does Kate approve because it's another line of filming or is she seething because it removes her from the spotlight?

P.J. said...

A lawsuit has been filed against the homeschool program that the Duggars followed. Not sure how you can sue a program, but whatever.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2508890/the-duggars-keep-up-the-controversy-homeschool-program-sued-for-molestation-cover-up/

Boy, TLC still won't give up on these Duggar cult members? What's it going to take?

PA Dutch Mom said...

It's fine for kids to experiment, but to go blonde on an ongoing basis, I mean "salon" blonde, sends the wrong message to a 14 year old girl.
Kate should be sad Cara is drastically altering the way God made her.
A splash of henna is fun and temporary. What Cara is doing is drastically altering the way she looks.
She's got gorgeous hair and it's a shame a pretty girl like her feels the need to change herself at such a young age.

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I don't know. I was that age when I decided to bleach my hair one day at a pool party. We poured peroxide on it and sat out in the sun. What could have happened (orange or green hair) didn't and I ended up with the most beautiful shade of blonde!

When I came home I thought my mother would totally freak out. She did at first, but then decided she really liked the color and from then on until now, I was blonde. No more peroxide, though. I either had it professionally colored or my mother did it at home. I am not, however, a dark-haired Asian. While Cara has some Asian features, of all the kids, she can do blonde. I really don't think it looks bad on her and if it makes her happy, let her do it. She might get tired of it and go back to her natural color, but who knows? It could be just a phase.

Life in the Trenches said...

Yeah, according to the latest unauthorized book she has stormed into Obama's office F-ing this and F-ing that. Whoa there. In contrast I think he is known for being calm, perhaps even too calm, and I almost feel sorry for him having to put up with that nonsense.
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Well, she just calmly handled what, 8, 9, 10 hours of questioning by the Republicans about Benghazi. And as you point out, the book you reference is "unauthorized," so what real proof do we have that this so-called storming into the Oval Office and cursing is actual true? Or that the story has not been twisted?

Here's what I think is going to happen. Seems likely at this point that Clinton will be the Democratic candidate for president. Seems more likely than not that either Trump or Carson could be the Republican candidate. I don't think Jeb Bush stands a chance. Maybe Marco Rubio --- but gosh, that's such a reach at this point. Something major would have to happen to either cause Trump and or Carson to drop out, or Trump and/or Carson would have to do something really outrageous, like be caught running a puppy mill, or I guess worse to Republican voters, caught helping undocumented immigrants obtain citizenship, before any of the single digit competitors could even dream of getting the nomination.

So, Clinton goes head to head with either Trump or Carson. Trump is a buffoon and his schtick is already growing old. Hurling insults will no longer be enough. Carson is a quiet man who somehow was apparently a skilled neurosurgeon, but has no idea what the debt ceiling is, no idea about foreign politics, and thinks Muslims should not be allowed to become president. Shades of the 1960's, when people argued that John F. Kennedy should not be president, because he was *gasp!!!* Catholic!

Anyway, not to drag on -- Clinton will mop the floor with either one of these guys and easily win the White House. I recall fear-mongering that went on in his run for the White House, and the dire predictions that came when Obama became president (remember the story about how he was going to put Americans into re-education camps? Remember the one about how he would create death panels and kill off grandma? Remember how he's a secret Muslim? How about the one where he's going to take all our guns away? It's been nearly 8 years - which of these things has actually come to pass? )

Same thing is going on (and has been going on) for Hillary Clinton. They act as if she's going to single-handed dismantle the country. It's all nonsense. The country will continue running pretty much as it has been running. I'm also curious about those who are "scared" of what will happen if she's is elected. What exactly is so frightening to you? What do you think is going to happen? I'm not being sarcastic - I really want to know specifics about what horrible things you predict will occur if she becomes President.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Sandie ‏@SandieBellz
@Kateplusmy8 How many episodes make a season?

lol!! yes, Kate, tell us! Two, five, six? Do you really know?

Tucker's Mom said...

lol!! yes, Kate, tell us! Two, five, six? Do you really know?
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Wasn't it 5 last time?
Season or specials, her show never got renewed, did it?

redbird said...

Have the others in a holding pen?

That just made me sick thinking about those kids like that. Herded up like cattle, being filmed walking on the beach for a TLC Special Event.

Too bad it is not a bullpen for the boys, at least they would be at a baseball game!

good luck everyone else said...

Let's throw tomatoes said... 141

Didn't the mothers of those Republicans teach them any manners. When they are asking Hillary a question give her time to answer the freaking question without interrupting. How rude!

What's so great about this country is that you can vote for anyone you want! I've voted Republican before.

But I care about Global Warming, Gun Control, helping the poor, helping the sick, not starting unnecessary wars in the Middle East , Women's Rights and so forth.

I'm definitely voting for this woman! GO HILLARY!!

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Yes, to everything you said!! If I "knew you in real life", I'm sure we'd be friends.

PA Dutch Mom said...

I haven't heard from Stephanie for awhile, but has anyone gotten the ad on this page from someone in the Ukraine saying that he/she thinks you are cute and wants to date you? I think I will pass. I miss Stephanie. She was the only one for me.

franky said...

well, PJ and Admin.

To answer what I think was the question pertaining to students paying less, was about NOT paying interest on student loans. And yes, Admin, we have low school fees. We also pay 3.25$ for one litre of milk, 3.95$ for one loaf of bread, and gas is outrageous.

we are literally taxed at a rate of 15.5 % on all non-necessities, not including all hidden taxes.

We literally pay over 30% of every dollar earned in some form of tax.

We do not complain.

We have free health care and benefits.

All we ask, is do not charge interest to students who are already paying taxes and their parents who have since forever.

They will be paying taxes for their life-time.

And remember, Canada is more Socialist, than the US.

We admire the European way.

redbird said...

Oh, wow!

On Oprah's, Where are they Now? she had the cast of Different World and Debbie Allen for a reunion and this was 2014, before the world knew about BC. They were talking some about BC and then Oprah started asking the cast members about what they were doing now.

Darryl Bell said that he was involved in BC's Comedy shows.

It was so strange because everybody was happy like, yay! when he said it and knowing what we know now, it was just weird.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...



we are literally taxed at a rate of 15.5 % on all non-necessities, not including all hidden taxes.

We literally pay over 30% of every dollar earned in some form of tax.

We do not complain.

We have free health care and benefits.


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Exactly. If you want all the things the Democrats/Democrat-socialists are talking about, be prepared for sticker shock. Some people seem perfectly happy to pay more, and that's fine, but most of the time how such programs are funded, directly from the people, is barely mentinoed by the candidates suggsting them. Voters need to be aware of what they're signing up for when they hear about these great programs. They don't come out of thin air. And no Kaya, just because I'm responding to someone does not mean I'm suggesting that person is unaware.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Over And Out, good catch.

To the question of what is everyone so afraid of about Hillary, I guess I would ask what is everyone so afraid of about Trump?? As you said, whoever is in office everything will continue to plug along as it always has. We have checks and balances in this country, and most of what either candidate wants to do won't happen without several checks and balances. And if they ever do try to do something outrageous and are not stopped by those checks, there's always impeachment.

Anonymous said...

Just wondering why President Bush wasn't subjected to the same sort of hearing as Mrs. Clinton was yesterday. It has been reported that he was aware of a security threat pior to 9/11.

bm

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Well, she just calmly handled what, 8, 9, 10 hours of questioning by the Republicans about Benghazi.


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Right. On live television. I would hardly expect her on live television to throw the tirades she has been documented to throw. Certainly my narcissist never blew up on T.V. but as soon as the cameras turned off they had a real anger management problem and were a real pill. You close the door, turn off the cameras and become who you really are.

Behind closed doors, dozens upon dozens of people have confirmed Hill's a real nightmare. It's pretty undeniable. It doesn't mean someone who is a pain in the ass would make a bad preisdent. You might be good, you might not be. But your temperment is what it is.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Just wondering why President Bush wasn't subjected to the same sort of hearing as Mrs. Clinton was yesterday. It has been reported that he was aware of a security threat pior to 9/11.

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Well first of all, the intelligence that came across Bush's desk was a GENERAL warning about hijacking, and everyone took it as a traditional small time hijacking that had happpened many times before. According to the White House, warnings about hijacking planes had been sliding across the desk of the president for DECADES. So we might as well put Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr. and heck even Reagan all on trial.

I think 9/11 was so unbelievable and so devastating that everyone was reluctant to put any of the blame on an American, Rep. or Dem.

The problem with pointing fingers at Bush is that you might as well point fingers at Bill Clinton too, who did not kill Bin Laden when he had a chance, not to mention all the presidents for seeing similar warnings before. I really don't think the country was in any fit state to put a president and former presidents on trial when we needed them to lead and be our rocks right then. That said, 9/11 was thoroughly and comprehensively investigated. Certaintly to most people's satisfiaction.

Like Tucker said, everyone knew they were after us. They had already bombed the buildings in 1993. It was no secret. But the scale of it and mechanisms was a real shock. I really don't blame any leader for not fully grasping that intelligence or taking it as seriously as hindsight suggests we should have. Especially when such intelligence had been floating around for years.

franky said...

Let's throw and Good luck.

Yes, Democracy.

irony my dd worked the exact booth I voted at. She thought I would vote green. was shocked I voted Liberal.

She looked at me and I said, it is our right to change our mind.

Sometimes the greater good takes over, and, BONUS!!! we got rid of Duceppe=)

Warmth Of The Sun said...

Behind closed doors, dozens upon dozens of people have confirmed Hill's a real nightmare. It's pretty undeniable. It doesn't mean someone who is a pain in the ass would make a bad preisdent. You might be good, you might not be. But your temperment is what it is.

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Yes, and someone posted here (sorry, I do not remember who it was) that a friend had contact with her during Bill's campaign,
and she was a real witch. Reading what I have read now, I believe that she is a nightmare behind closed doors. You hear one report, you dismiss it as gossip; you hear two reports, you might question the validity, but when so many people come out and say that yes, she has an anger management problem, it cannot be dismissed so easily.

NJGal51 said...

@MiloandJack: Enjoy the good days! http://twitter.com/FitspirationaI/status/657572256135184384/photo/1 @Kateplusmy8
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So Milo is telling TFW that this isn't going to last so enjoy it while,she can. Even after her brief appearance on Twitter yesterday, TFW's timeline is still pretty much dude. same old, same old.

NJGal51 said...

Dude=DEAD!

franky said...

Admin... after we pay our 30% straight from our checque, we also pay more, like another 30 in duannes...import taxes, I think it is called, and so -call over-all social taxes.

We/ I...I am not complaining, I am happy if every I get ill or laid-off, I am taken care of, ( dd as well),because we are socialists..Go Trudeau

Kirkland said...

Admin, just to clarify. While it's true Bill Clinton did not kill Bin Laden when he had the chance, we have to remember "at the time" there was no real evidence Bin Laden had actually hurt any American. Also, killing Bin Laden when he had the chance would have meant the collateral killing of over 300 innocent citizens. Bill Clinton chose to pass. At the time, that was probably the right decision. In retrosect, of course it would have been better had he killed the son-of-a-bitch.

Although your post didn't specifically criticize Bill Clinton, I just thought this point needed clarification.

Tucker's Mom said...

Hillary Clinton is not accused of ignoring specific intelligence about the Benghazi attack, so how does this explain why she but not Bush was subjected to the same type of hearing?
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Just guessing here, but if Bush did testify I'm betting he wouldn't have said something like this:

“The fact is, we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or because of guys out for a walk one night who decide to kill some Americans . What difference at this point does it make?”

-Hillary Rodam Clinton

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Just guessing here, but if Bush did testify I'm betting he wouldn't have said something like this:

“The fact is, we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or because of guys out for a walk one night who decide to kill some Americans . What difference at this point does it make?”

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The look on his face when the aid whispered to him while he was reading to the kids in Florida is something I will never forget.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

We'll never know what George Bush would have said since he was never forced to testify, will we? Maybe you can come up with a legitimate reason Clinton was subjected to a hearing and Bush wasn't rather than trying to deflect the question.

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Oh, geez. Here we go again...

Tucker's Mom said...

We'll never know what George Bush would have said since he was never forced to testify, will we? Maybe you can come up with a legitimate reason Clinton was subjected to a hearing and Bush wasn't rather than trying to deflect the question.
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I can speculate why Bush wasn't investigated, and it's exactly the reason why Hillary was investigated.
The evidence that she covered up and lied about a planned AQ attack on the US embassy in Benghazi is inconrovertible.
She lied and said the attack was some sort of spontaneous uprising due to a video. She told this to the family of dead Americans as they watched the caskets of their loved ones unload at Andrews.
She knew then, and had known since very shortly after the attack, that it was a lie.
I don't know if Hillary could have provided more security that would have thwarted the successful killing of Americans in Benghazi. I do know that she lied about what happened when she had intelligence that it was an AQ attack and wrote emails to various people stating as such.
I think it was a very, very inconvenient attack (for the Obama administration) to happen on September 11, 2012, when in 2 months, Americans would go to the polls and elect Obama again.

Or, would they, armed with the knowledge that Americans were targeted and killed by AQ? Realizing that we were dealing with more than the "JV" team over there? ISIS Schmisis?
Hmm.
Here's what I think, and what really gives me pause about Hillary- I believe she lied about what happened in Benghazi and I believe she lied to keep Americans uninformed when they went to the polls 2 months later to re-elect Obama.
I believe what was in in for Hillary was the virtual certainty of becoming the Democratic candidate for the Presidency in 2016, should Obama get a second term.
Indeed, Hillary has been coronated and she is indeed a virtual shoe in for the Democratic nomination.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

NJGal51 said... 27
Dude=DEAD!

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lol!! Dude works, too!

I am getting some Anna chick live (as opposed to dead) who wants to chat. Maybe Steph retired.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

To the question of what is everyone so afraid of about Hillary

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I can't answer that because I'll be with AuntieAnn in Canada for the next four years, if she will have me. We'll be drinking rumspringa and watching things unfold from afar!

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Fleecing (#32), I'm guessing the chat with Anna would be far
more compelling if she was dead! My banner only wants me to
buy gluten-free cookies. Yawn.

franky said...

hey, do this, and pr for Mexico https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+walk+on+the+wild+side&FORM=VIRE3#view=detail&mid=D6019C0EB2A8464870F3D6019C0EB2A8464870F3

Sheepless In Seattle said...

Maybe you can come up with a legitimate reason Clinton was subjected to a hearing and Bush wasn't rather than trying to deflect the question.

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Maybe she could, maybe she couldn't, but why would she? Monday morning quarterbacking at this point is purportless. It's over and done.

redbird said...

Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 23

Well, she just calmly handled what, 8, 9, 10 hours of questioning by the Republicans about Benghazi.


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Right. On live television. I would hardly expect her on live television to throw the tirades she has been documented to throw. Certainly my narcissist never blew up on T.V. but as soon as the cameras turned off they had a real anger management problem and were a real pill. You close the door, turn off the cameras and become who you really are.

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Sounds like TFW's reaction! As soon as the spit it out interview was over and they went to commercials, TFW unleashed on C and M.

After the spit it out comment, what would have snowflake done if Mady would of looked at Savannah and said, Cara and I want our dad, Jon Gosselin to know that we love him and miss him and our mother wanted us to speak bad about him and we are just not going to do it!

Lawd, have mercy! Richter scale worthy!

TLC stinks said...

Hillary critics always throw out the "what difference does it make" line to prove she did not care about the dead Americans. The quote is taken out of context. She was pushing back against the Benghazi committee's GOP Senator Ron Johnson questioning as to why the administration said the attack grew out of a protest.

The actual exchange:

Johnson: No, again, we were misled that there were supposedly protests and that something sprang out of that -- an assault sprang out of that -- and that was easily ascertained that that was not the fact, and the American people could have known that within days and they didn’t know that.

Clinton: With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they’d they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The IC has a process, I understand, going with the other committees to explain how these talking points came out. But you know, to be clear, it is, from my perspective, less important today looking backwards as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we’ll figure out what was going on in the meantime.

pat said...

Frankie, I appreciate your opinions and all but you do not represent ALL of us Canadians. I grow weary of you using 'we' like we all think the same thing. Other than that, carry on! :)

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Redbird wrote on Oct. 21 #54: I watched Trump last night on Fox and heard for the first time that he had written a book about predicting the twin towers 19 months before it happened. He said that something bigger was going to happen. He did really good last night on that interview.
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Redbird, Trump did NOT predict anything about the twin towers. This is what he wrote: "“I really am convinced we’re in danger of the sort of terrorist attacks that will make the bombing of the Trade Center look like kids playing with firecrackers,” Trump wrote in 2000, referencing the 1993 attack that killed six and injured hundreds. “No sensible analyst rejects this possibility, and plenty of them, like me, are not wondering if but when it will happen.” He also mentioned Bin Laden and wrote this: "“One day we’re told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named Osama bin-Laden is public enemy number one, and U.S. jetfighters lay waste to his camp in Afghanistan,” Trump wrote. “He escapes back under some rock, and a few news cycles later it’s on to a new enemy and new crisis.”

P.J. said...

I was browsing my online library this morning and saw Helter Skelter. I haven't read that in a very long time, so I'm giving it another go. All the talk about In Cold Blood got me interested.

Jane said...

Thanks for the idea, PJ! It's been a VERY long time since I read that but remember being unable to put it down. Think I'll re-read that one, too. I've moved on to a James Patterson novel which is fun reading but without the beauty of Capote's writing.

TLC stinks said...

There is no way to know if what was written in Trump's book was from his brain or his co-author's. Most politicians and celebrities publish these self-serving books with the aid of a book team, co-author or ghost writer. To Trump's credit, he does acknowledge his co-author.

With uncanny timing (snark) he has a new book due to drop on Oct. 27.

P.J. said...

OT, but an interesting article on Pope Francis and why he is disliked within some factions of the Vatican.

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2015/10/22/do-some-cardinals-dislike-pope-francis.html

Like I said, nobody does politics better than the Vatican. Floating a rumour that he has a brain tumour? Pretty dirty.

TLC stinks said...

In regards as to why Bush never faced a congressional,hearing (although there was an attempt for impeachment) from article by Bill Moyers:

Under the Republicans in 2005 and 2006, and the Democrats in 2007 and 2008, there was no congressional investigation into this specific question. Congressional oversight focused almost entirely on the quality of the US government’s pre-war intelligence — not the veracity of the highest-ranking US officials’ public statements or the objectivity and logic of their decision making in instigating the war. Nor in 2009 did the new Democratic president Barack Obama, his administration, or the Democratic Congress evince any interest in investigating this politically sensitive subject. There may be no more telling example of what has happened to congressional oversight in Washington in recent decades.

http://billmoyers.com/2014/06/27/the-lies-we-believed-and-still-believe-about-iraq/

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Maybe you can come up with a legitimate reason Clinton was subjected to a hearing and Bush wasn't rather than trying to deflect the question.


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The legitimate reason is that Bush did nothing wrong with what very limited and non-specific information he had, nor did the three presidents before him who had similar information. There's really nothing more to be said about it, and even Obama had no interest in going after him about it.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The look on his face when the aid whispered to him while he was reading to the kids in Florida is something I will never forget.

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Well, he was trying not to scare a bunch of little kids. And did a good job of staying calm for their sake. It was the beginning of the strongest leadership we've ever seen in a crisis in decades.

It would be interesting to interview those kids today. They're adults now.

redbird said...

I won't forget it either.

I couldn't believe he just sit there knowing what he knew for 7 minutes. I remember a late night comic, I think it was David Letterman said, as soon as he found out, DL said, he should of got up and smiled really big and said, hey, kids, I have to go, thanks for having me!

I will see if I can find the video of that.

Tucker's Mom said...

Hillary critics always throw out the "what difference does it make" line to prove she did not care about the dead Americans.
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I want to be very clear so that my reasons for quoting Hillary during her first testimony do not get construed or used to say that I think Hillary doesn't care that Americans were killed in a terrorist attack under her watch.
It would be like Bush haters saying he doesn't care that thousands were killed on 9/11, and that's just not true either.
I think Hillary and 43 are patriots and care deeply about America and Americans.
The reason I referenced Hillary's outburst is because I believe she was and is lying about knowing that Benghazi was a planned AQ attack, and not some mob raging from the spillover from Cairo over some non-existent video.
I do believe there were concerned raised and perhaps more security could have prevented this tragedy.
Pinning this on Hillary is a non-sensical witch hunt, and like trying to nail Jello to the wall.
I believe she lashed out because she was cornered and was, and still is, charged with peddling a cover-up perpetrated by the Obama administration.
The evidence that she knew, with expediency, that Behghazi was a planned attack is undeniable.
She went on to change the narrative and lie to the American people and more disturbingly, to the very faces of the loved ones of the deceased.
It's all right there, in her own words.

It gives me great pause about Hillary. I'm not discounting her as the next POTUS and given more time and research, and depending on her opponent (provided she is nominated), I don't rule out voting for her.
That's because I vote on issues, not along rigid political lines like an ideologue, and not on gender, race nor religion.

I hope that clears my concerns and I won't bore any more of you 'scrollin on by!!!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I couldn't believe he just sit there knowing what he knew for 7 minutes. I remember a late night comic, I think it was David Letterman said, as soon as he found out, DL said, he should of got up and smiled really big and said, hey, kids, I have to go, thanks for having me!

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What difference would seven minutes have mad? NONE.

That would have really scared the kids. In the middle of their story, hey kids sorry gotta go!!!

No way.

Tucker, 100% agree with every word of your last post. So well said!

localyocul said...

Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 55

I couldn't believe he just sit there knowing what he knew for 7 minutes. I remember a late night comic, I think it was David Letterman said, as soon as he found out, DL said, he should of got up and smiled really big and said, hey, kids, I have to go, thanks for having me!

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What difference would seven minutes have mad? NONE.

That would have really scared the kids. In the middle of their story, hey kids sorry gotta go!!!

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I agree with you there, plus you have to factor in a shock factor. Vague threats or no, who would have imagined this actually happening? I know I was completely shocked and stunned when i turned on Howard Stern for a funny show and heard what I was hearing

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I agree with you there, plus you have to factor in a shock factor. Vague threats or no, who would have imagined this actually happening? I know I was completely shocked and stunned when i turned on Howard Stern for a funny show and heard what I was hearing


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Yes, and keep in mind, he just heard a tiny bit of information whispered in his ear. Unlike the rest of us he wasn't seeing what we were all seeing on TV. There is no way on God's green earth anyone could really picture what was happening without actually seeing it themselves.

That was the most ridiculous part of Michael Moore's movie, although most of it was ridiculous, but that took the cake. Blaming Bush for deciding not to panic a classroom of little children by waiting a measly seven minutes. Absurd. The biggest issue with that was really the security of the president, since his location was public, and that's on his SECURITY to decide when to pull the plug and get him out of there. He was in the middle of Florida. Seven minutes ain't gonna make a difference. You can make it up in the air.

redbird said...

The way David Letterman, I think, demonstrated how Bush should of done it wasn't scary to me, but, I guess you are right it might have scared the kids even if he was smiling and waving.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The teacher was in the middle of reading a story. Afterward the president said he thought about leaving earlier but knew the activity was almost done. He did leave much earlier than planned, and gave his first speech about the attacks from the school.

The problem I have with people like Michael Moore is they never explain what he was supposed to do with that seven minutes. Scramble the fighter jets sooner? Wouldn't have made a difference. The attacks were over before they began, and no one could stop them. We all knew the terrorists didn't like us. Sure we all knew we were a target. NO ONE imagined this.

It was a terrible day that no one ever could have imagined in a million years. But somehow, according to his haters, Bush was supposed to have figured that out when no one else could and also how dare he spare seven minutes to ensure he doesn't scare the crap out of some second graders doing so.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Admin, just to clarify. While it's true Bill Clinton did not kill Bin Laden when he had the chance, we have to remember "at the time" there was no real evidence Bin Laden had actually hurt any American.



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Right. Point being if you're going to blame Bush you might as well blame Bill Clinton. Not are absurd accusations.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

So Milo is telling TFW that this isn't going to last so enjoy it while,she can.


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Lol Milo!!

She always says the most uncomfortable things. Enjoy it while it lasts, thereby pointing out to Kate in glaring red lights this won't last forever. She's too much.

Let's throw tomatoes said...

Adm. You're right. By the time those planes had been taken over by the terrorists it was probably to late to avoid any horrific results. But George Bush knew in advance that a terrorist attacked was being planned and that the weapons of choice were going to be planes. We send billions of dollars to countries that hate us but he couldn't put 2 Air Marshals in every plane. He ignored the intelligence and thousands of innocent people died.

It doesn't matter what political party you're in you can not deny that George Bush was a major fail as POTUS.

And I'm not even going into the housing crash, the economy tanking, Katrina and Iraq. I would hate to have been the person to have caused so many people to die or lose their homes because of my incompetence. Though I think I wouldn't have been that bad!

People have to think before they vote. Donald Trump might be great on the Apprentice but he has zip experience in running a country. A country is very different then a business. And his job performance will unfortunately affect us all. That's why Donald Trump scares me. His lack of experience.

Susan1956 said...

OT---but how about those Royals?

Canada Mom said...

pat said... 42
Frankie, I appreciate your opinions and all but you do not represent ALL of us Canadians. I grow weary of you using 'we' like we all think the same thing. Other than that, carry on! :)
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AMEN!!!!

FRANKY does not represent me as a Canadian in ANY WAY, SHAPE or FORM.

Count me out from your "WE" talk.

Canadian Mom

Floridian said...

I couldn't believe he just sit there knowing what he knew for 7 minutes. I remember a late night comic, I think it was David Letterman said, as soon as he found out, DL said, he should of got up and smiled really big and said, hey, kids, I have to go, thanks for having me!

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What difference would seven minutes have mad? NONE.

That would have really scared the kids. In the middle of their story, hey kids sorry gotta go!!!




Those 7 minutes were planning for his safety, deciding were Airforce One would go and a million other crucial details for his well being. I am sure he was advised to sit while his team planned for him.

Floridian

P.J. said...

Canada Mom said... 62
pat said... 42
Frankie, I appreciate your opinions and all but you do not represent ALL of us Canadians. I grow weary of you using 'we' like we all think the same thing. Other than that, carry on! :)
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AMEN!!!!

FRANKY does not represent me as a Canadian in ANY WAY, SHAPE or FORM.

Count me out from your "WE" talk.

Canadian Mom

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Maybe when franky says "we" she means "oui". She's in Quebec and IMO, that can be like being in a different country.

We do not all think alike in Canada, or get treated equally either, for that matter.

Let's throw tomatoes said...

I'm going to the Grove with my kids to have breakfast . It's my first born's birthday. But I have one more thing to say................

GO METS!

fidosmommy said...

Are we done bashing Presidential hopefuls and past Presidents yet? If not, tell me and I'll find something else to do. Thanks! :)

franky said...



PJ, 46 said...
I was browsing my online library this morning and saw Helter Skelter. I haven't read that in a very long time, so I'm giving it another go. All the talk about In Cold Blood got me interested.


One of the best books I have ever read. Vincent Bugliosi rocks

njay said...

What about building 7? I never knew there was a building 7 that fell that day. It makes you think?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqrrSRps59s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJEBGKFrSB0

TLC stinks said...

Here is the two prong attack on Hillary: she ignored security to make the compound safer; the White House lied for political reasons and Hillary is part of a coverup.

So maybe she did lie; maybe there was a coverup. Why she would risk her political future for the Obama White House is beyond me. But then, I never would have thought Bush/Cheney would manufacture a reason to invade Iraq.

P.J. said...

R.I.P. Maureen O'Hara. She was a true superstar, worthy of that title.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/actor-maureen-o-hara-dies-aged-95-1.2405089

Rainbirdie said...

OT - Did anyone watch the 20/20 program last night about the Arkansas couple that adopted & then didn't want the 3 children? I thought Elizabeth Vargas and the program did a very good job reporting both sides of the story. If Justin Harris & his wife thought they would be able to vindicate themselves in any way through their interview, they were wrong.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Adm. You're right. By the time those planes had been taken over by the terrorists it was probably to late to avoid any horrific results. But George Bush knew in advance that a terrorist attacked was being planned and that the weapons of choice were going to be planes. We send billions of dollars to countries that hate us but he couldn't put 2 Air Marshals in every plane. He ignored the intelligence and thousands of innocent people died.

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Hold on. The "intelligence" he had was extremely vague and no different than the hundreds, perhaps thousands, of terrorist warnings that Bill Clinton, Bush Sr. and Reagan had also seen. In the 80's and 90's and 2000's it was all about terrorism. We were well aware. Shouldn't Bill Clinton, Bush Sr. and Reagan have also put air marshals on flights??

Where was Bush going to get the money or for that matter SUPPORT to staff all commercial flights with air marshals? If I heard he wanted to do that on Sept 10, 2001, I would have scoffed. And if he couldn't fully staff all commercial flights, then what's the point? It would have happened anyway, they'd just get on the planes anyway and hedge their bets they're on unstaffed flights.

Do you realize that fewer than 1% of commercial flights have air marshals on them today? Since terrorism is still a very real threat, shouldn't be staff the planes?? Obviously, we just can't afford to staff every flight. We'd go bankrupt.

I'm sorry, it's absurd to blame 9-11 on anyone. No one saw it coming but it happened. We have to move on now.

As far as Benghazi, it's a red herring to bring 9-11 into it. It's called confusing the issues. Instead of addressing the problem with Hillary head on, one waves their arms and says look look over here look at Bush we all hate Bush! Red herrings are never strong arguments. We're not talking about 9-11. We're talking about Benghazi. It's been proven Hillary and Obama lied, blaming it on a Youtube video. The actress in the video was dubbed without her knowledge, and to this day her life is a living hell. She recently filed a lawsuit, and good for her. Now what Americans want to do about that, if anything, is another matter. I sense that like 9-11, most people would rather just move on now. You can't go around and around on these things forever. Mistakes were made, coverups occurred, same old same old with that crowd, and my hope and prayer is that those involved learned their lesson and will do better next time, or simpler yet, Americans can choose not to elect them to the White House in the first place. Problem solved. As for the families, God bless them. A victim's mother said at her son's funeral Hillary personally promised her she would follow up with her directly and let her know what happened and why he died. Mom's still waiting for that phone call.

Tucker's Mom said...

So maybe she did lie; maybe there was a coverup. Why she would risk her political future for the Obama White House is beyond me
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The dots are very easy to connect for me.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The dots are very easy to connect for me.

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Right. It's obvious. Obama had to come through that crisis and get re-elected. Her future depended on it. Historically, when a Democrat in the white house goes out with decent approval ratings, there is a good chance another Democrat will be elected next term. The last thing she needed was for Obama to go down like this, and she hedged her bets she'd be able to recover from falling on the sword, since HER election wouldn't be for another four years.

P.J. said...

Life in the Trenches said...

I'm also curious about those who are "scared" of what will happen if she's is elected. What exactly is so frightening to you? What do you think is going to happen?

Admin said...

I guess I would ask what is everyone so afraid of about Trump??

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I'm Canadian so I like to think I can speak impartially to this issue. I think both Hillary and Trump are/have behaved abominably. I guess I don't like to see bad behaviour rewarded. It's just like how sKate keeps getting more shows. These two never seem to have to suffer the consequences of their words or deeds, Hillary having a much, much longer history of this kind of thing. I don't think either one would ruin the country, but on the other hand, isn't the position of POTUS supposed to be something that is respected? I have zero respect for either of these two. I don't know that the world would have much respect for either of them. I believe America deserves better and can do much better.

localyocul said...

fidosmommy said... 66
Are we done bashing Presidential hopefuls and past Presidents yet? If not, tell me and I'll find something else to do. Thanks! :)

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I hope so!!

Sue_Buddy said...

Historically, when a Democrat in the white house goes out with decent approval ratings, there is a good chance another Democrat will be elected next term.
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Can you cite when that's happened, a Democrat Pres. following the successful terms of a Democratic President.

Sue_Buddy said...

Sorry, Admin, my #77 comment want meant for you.

PA Dutch Mom said...

Can you cite when that's happened, a Democrat Pres. following the successful terms of a Democratic President.

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I think that I can answer that, although the Democrat elected turned out to be one of the worst Presidents in US history and he was a local! James Buchanan was from PA (had a home, Wheatland, right here) and was elected in 1857. He succeeded Pierce, who was also a Democrat.

I think that's the last time a Democrat succeeded a Democrat, but my history of the Presidents is murky. I just happen to "know" Buchanan.

PA Dutch Mom said...

So maybe she did lie; maybe there was a coverup. Why she would risk her political future for the Obama White House is beyond me
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The dots are very easy to connect for me.

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Ditto on the dots! Not difficult at all to connect!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Maybe Hillary's looking at stats for all politicians not just Democrats, about succession trends in general.

In any case it's widely understood she felt it was in her best interest for 2016 that Obama gets reelected in 2012. For whatever her reasons, she felt that was the chess piece she needed to play.

PA Dutch Mom said...

She always says the most uncomfortable things. Enjoy it while it lasts, thereby pointing out to Kate in glaring red lights this won't last forever. She's too much.

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She is too dumb to know that all of these words of inspiration, encouragement, platitudes, can be interpreted as applying to Kate in a negative way. Still, she just keeps on dragging them out in hopes of a response. Read them first, Milo, and THINK about it!

PA Dutch Mom said...

Redbird, Trump did NOT predict anything about the twin towers

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That was Nostradamus who predicted the fall of the twin towers! ;)

Sue_Buddy said...

Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 80

Maybe Hillary's looking at stats for all politicians not just Democrats, about succession trends in general.
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Oh, you were quoting Hillary?

Well, shame on her. If she'd been looking at the stats correctly, she'd have seen that happen only twice, James Buchanan followed Franklin Pierce (who only had one term) and way back when Martin Van Buren was elected after two term Andrew Jackson. And in recent history, George H. Bush followed Ronald Reagan. That hasn't happened with the Dems since 1857, historically.

PA Dutch Mom said...

On the light side...

I Love Cats ‏@Pancake035 17h17 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 Did u know Barb had her cats declawed! #in humane

I Love Cats ‏@Pancake035 4h4 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 tell Barb I will always stand up for cats! She should have her nails removed to 1st knuckle then say it's ok! #abuse

Looks like the Pancakes Sheep isn't speaking to Barb, so Pancakes wants Kate to be the messenger and call out Barb for declawing her cats. Honestly, you can't make up this stuff! I'm sure that Kate's priority right now is that Barb had her cats declawed!

Rhymes with Witch said...

fidosmommy said 66

Are we done bashing Presidential hopefuls and past Presidents yet? If not, tell me and I'll find something else to do. Thanks! :)
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Comment of the day!

But if we're staying on politics, who really killed JFK?

Blowing In The Wind said...

People have to think before they vote. Donald Trump might be great on the Apprentice but he has zip experience in running a country. A country is very different then a business. And his job performance will unfortunately affect us all. That's why Donald Trump scares me. His lack of experience.

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I think that you can point to quite a few Presidents who had "no experience" running a country and they turned out to be, historically, some of the best Presidents we ever had. Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt (the one on Mount Rushmore!) come to mind, as well as Truman and Eisenhower, all ranked in the top ten. Reagan was a decent President, and he was an actor. A President is not the sole politician in the White House. He/she does not make decisions alone which is why there are advisers to balance things out.

What experience does Hillary have in running the country? Does her time as Secretary of State mean that she "ran" the country?

Why does Hillary scare me? I think it's been laid out here by various posters. It's her volatility, anger management, deception, lies, and scandals, as well as her huge sense of ego and self-aggrandizement. It seems like there are quite a few Americans who are "scared" of both candidates, and perhaps rightfully so!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think some people take comments and concerns about a candidate as inversely related to some other candidate on the other side. In other words if you don't like Hillary you are somehow implying Trump is the better candidate. Not at all!

I really don't think that's the case. I think many people have concerns about two or more of the candidates from either side, and that many haven't even come close to making up their minds yet.

Math Girl said...

I think all this Democrat follows popular Democrat, Republican follows popular Republican is thinking backwards.There is no criteria for "popular". So we assume that if same party is elected, predecessor was popular, if its a different party they were unpopular. In the US two-party system, either a party gets re-elected or their only opposition party does. After the fact, you can conclude anything you want.

I do think that if a President runs for re-election and gets defeated, his or her party will think carefully about their direction and maybe do some house-cleaning of "old guard" politicians who were associated with the defeat. That's certainly what happens here in Canada. The two parties that were recently defeated are going through a big soul-searching. The defeated incumbent PM has stepped down as party leader, and many within his party want him to step down as a Member of Parliament as well, to facilitate party renewal.

fidosmommy said...

But if we're staying on politics, who really killed JFK?

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Must have been Jon. He's guilty of everything.

Localyocul said...

Looks like the Pancakes Sheep isn't speaking to Barb, so Pancakes wants Kate to be the messenger and call out Barb for declawing her cats. Honestly, you can't make up this stuff! I'm sure that Kate's priority right now is that Barb had her cats declawed!

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Good grief! Pancake attached Barb about that a looonnngggg time ago. She's bringing it up again?

Susan1956 said...

OT, but I was channel surfing and TLC is airing Dateline episodes. Calling it Dateline on TLC. If they're hurting that much for material, isn't this the time to trot out TFMJG?

Or not. Too bad they don't make TFMJG's paycheck contingent if the episodes ever get aired.

Math Girl said...

I went looking for information about presidential elections without an incumbent where the incumbent has just served two consecutive terms. It seems that the poller vote for the party of the previous president always falls. In 11 such elections (since Lincoln), the popular vote has fallen 10 times. Despite the falling popular vote, the republicans have managed to win 5 times, lose twice in such a situation. The Democrats are 0 wins, 4 losses.

For details, see:
http://thefederalist.com/2014/09/04/history-is-not-on-the-democrats-side-in-2016/

While looking for the information, I also found information on presidents running for a second term. Of first-term presidents:
5 died in office
7 declined to run
5 lost their party's nomination
10 ran and lost
15 ran and won

For details, see:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/23/for-u-s-presidents-odds-for-a-second-term-are-surprisingly-long.html

Layla said...

Hi girls! I've been largely absent for awhile--real life got in the way. Long story short, summer trips went off without a hitch, DS had a beautiful wedding, and life has returned to normal.

I see lots of political discussion here--I am sad to see that Joe Biden is not running for president. His family is close with some members of my husband's family, and he is a good person with a good heart. There are no candidates that I am excited about at all. None.

I see K+8 is coming back for a "whole season". TLC's seasons seem to be about 5 episodes lately. I'd be surprised if there were more. Perhaps the Duggar debacle taught them a lesson about putting so much time and money into one show. I'm wondering…will the show drop below 1 million viewers this season? I bet it will! It was barely above that the last few episodes, and I don't see her gaining any new fans. We'll see soon enough! Although…TLC doesn't have much of anything that rates above 1 million any more. The LIttle Couple, but they have been MIA for awhile. And the new season of LPBW did pretty well. But that's it. Makes me wonder how long TLC will stay afloat. They used to have several shows that scored 2-3 million (or more) per episode. Now they have to settle for whoever is willing to film with them, and with all the controversy and boycotts, they have to be feeling the pressure financially. Don't you think?

Sue_Buddy said...

Math Girl said... 93

It's interesting to go back in history and see that the statement credited to Hillary is soooo wrong. However, I doubt Hillary ever said that. If she did, that's one more reason not to vote for her. That statement is so blatantly wrong it's funny. It can be fact checked in 2 minutes.

Jane said...

Good article on the Trump candidacy.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/27/okay-this-trump-thing-isn-t-funny-anymore.html?via=twitter_page

Somewhere In Time said...

fidosmommy said... 90
But if we're staying on politics, who really killed JFK?

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Read O'Reilly's "Killing Kennedy"!

Trump has no experience running the country, but what he does have, as a businessman, is experience in negotiations. I would think that as POTUS, that would certainly be to his advantage. Hillary, on the other hand, has experience as Secretary of State, but her business dealings suck. I think what makes me doubt her effectiveness as President is her narcissism. She may listen to advisers, but not heed their advice, in the end doing whatever she wants to do because it has to be her way, so much like Kate, and that to me is worrisome.

What makes American great is that voters can evaluate and then decide on the person they think would make the better leader. I hope, though, that women do not decide to vote for Hillary just because she is a woman and it is time for a woman to run the country. Gender shouldn't even enter into it, but I am afraid that there is no avoiding it.

Yes, everyone should think before voting, and not only think, but evaluate, even if it means that what you uncover puts the candidate of your choice under an umbrella of suspicion, and then one makes the determination who will do the best job.

I think that it may be the scandals and dishonestly on the part of the Clintons that certainly plays a very important part in what "scares" people.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/here-they-are-hillarys-22-biggest-scandals-ever/

I recently read an excellent time-line and and explanation of the various wheeling and dealing on the part of Hillary, but I can't seem to locate it right now. It was the best summation of everything that has gone down from the time Bill took office until now. It was incredibly well researched and documented by a non-biased historian.

Somewhere In Time said...

fidosmommy said 66

Are we done bashing Presidential hopefuls and past Presidents yet? If not, tell me and I'll find something else to do. Thanks! :)

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Well, you could e-mail Kate and tell her that Barb had her cats declawed!

Eight is More Than Enough said...

About those Kenedys anyone read The Kennedy Women?

Somewhere In Time said...

RIP Maureen O'Hara. If you get a chance, watch The Christmas Box with Richard Thomas and Annette O'Toole. It's a beautiful story, but first watch The Timepiece with James Earl Jones that sets the story for The Christmas Box. Have some tissues handy!

Eight is More Than Enough said...

Presidential elections have become less about the human themselves running to be President than what their four years would do to the country. The Wannabe President may be a person I don't like. It if their positions on the issues match up with mine I'd happily vote for them over the most wonderful human being in the known universe whose issue positions I vehemently disagree with.

fidosmommy said...

Well, you could e-mail Kate and tell her that Barb had her cats declawed!

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(Snicker!) How do you know it wasn't me who spilled those beans??? :)

PA Dutch Mom said...

Margaret Meade ‏@DonutsForCollin 5h5 hours ago
I blame Pennsylvania's antiquated child abuse laws.They have to get n2 the 21st century & update.Kate Gosselin is working those kids 2death

I guess this person never got the memo about the new child labor laws, the hearings, and all of the work that Rep. Murt did to get the legislation passed. There have also been laws passed concerning child abuse. I just read an article that the number of child abuse cases reported and investigated is up considerably because of the new laws.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

If Trump and Clinton win the nomination, I wonder how many people will abstain from voting because they just don't trust either candidate.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Now they have to settle for whoever is willing to film with them, and with all the controversy and boycotts, they have to be feeling the pressure financially. Don't you think?

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Yes, Layla, I agree. However, Kate gets paid regardless if they air her "season" and as long as she gets paid, I don't think she gives a flying rat's rear end if they get shown on not. She will collect her paycheck and keep wanting more, even if the ratings are low and she is being used as filler.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

(Snicker!) How do you know it wasn't me who spilled those beans??? :)

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Are you Barb? :)

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Fidos...I am finding something else to do, too. I am watching Ghost Adventures investigate the Clown Motel in Nevada. Why do so many people have such an anxiety about clowns?

Who killed Kennedy?

"Must have been Jon. He's guilty of everything."

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lol! The person who killed Kennedy is dead, and the sheeple are under the impression that Jon is dead, so by deduction, then, Jon killed Kennedy.

Math Girl said...

Sue_Buddy said... 95
Math Girl said... 93

It's interesting to go back in history and see that the statement credited to Hillary is soooo wrong. However, I doubt Hillary ever said that. If she did, that's one more reason not to vote for her. That statement is so blatantly wrong it's funny. It can be fact checked in 2 minutes.
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It took me a lot more than 2 minutes to find the two sites I put in my post. But once you have them, it really is a matter of two minutes to check them out. I was slow because I found a lot of sites that gave more information than I wanted about particular American Presidents and not enough statistics. And because I read a lot of it, and made some side trips. I probably know more now about the electoral college than most Americans do, though I may forget it soon.

I'm not sure anyone claimed Hillary said anything about Obama must win in 2012 for me to have a chance in 2016; her opponents just "know" that's what she is thinking, based on no evidence whatsoever, because it "makes sense" to them. Even if it hasn't worked out that way over the last 150 or so years.

We had a lot of that in our recent Canadian elections; the Conservatives attacked items in the Liberal platform by implication, though in fact the Liberal platform said exactly the opposite of what they were attacking. When confronted, Steven Harper basically said he "knew" that they were going to do it, even though they said they wouldn't. The Liberals just denied that they intended to do any such thing, and pointed to their platform. The ads may still have struck a cord with the Conservative base, but fortunately not with voters overall.

Kylie said...

Tomatoes, PLEASE speak for yourself when you make dogmatic statements as fact such as Bush was the worst POTUS. That is your opinion. We all have a right to our opinions and not just one or two. Jane, same for you. I also loved Tucker's post. Spot on, Tucker's Mom! I personally really like Dr. Carson. He's refreshing, hasn't been around the insanity forever. Hilary is so arrogant and such a huge liar she could never keep those lies straight!

Math Girl said...

An interesting Presidential election fact I picked up on my wanderings through the web. In 1888 Benjamin Harrison beat the incumbent Grover Cleland. In the following election in 1892, Grover Cleland beat the incumbent Benjamin Harrison. Grover Cleland was the first and so far only person to serve non-consecutive terms as US President. The 1888 elections is also interesting because it was one of those times when the winner of the popular vote didn't win the presidency/electoral college.

fidosmommy said...

Who killed Kennedy?

"Must have been Jon. He's guilty of everything."

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lol! The person who killed Kennedy is dead, and the sheeple are under the impression that Jon is dead, so by deduction, then, Jon killed Kennedy.

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We could have saved the country millions of $$ if we had just told the Warren Commission!

PA Dutch Mom said...

We could have saved the country millions of $$ if we had just told the Warren Commission!

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And the astonishing thing is that Time Travel was involved. Jon, who wasn't born in 1963, went back in time to do the deed and successfully pulled it off. They say Jon has no talent!

NJGal51 said...

Well Tomatoes, we finally agree on something...GO METS!

I'm one of those that won't take part in political discussions/bashing. As a federal employee I keep my opinions to myself as I'm supposed to and just scroll on by.

Let's throw tomatoes said...

Kylie @ 109

What I think of George Bush is my opinion. But I base my opinion on facts. I would never speak for you or even to you. You sound like you're very angry.

I'm pretty sure historians are going to judge his performance and his legacy is not going to be pretty!

Sorry don't shoot the messenger!

NJGal51 said...

And now for something completely different.

http://10surprisingways.littlethings.com/secret-ways-dogs-say-love-you/?utm_content=buffer64751&utm_medium=ILB&utm_source=ild&utm_campaign=FBV

My sweet boy would always press his forehead to mine and stare into my eyes. I miss him. I know when we get our new puppy we'll love him just as much.

PA Dutch Mom said...

In 1888 Benjamin Harrison beat the incumbent Grover Cleland. In the following election in 1892, Grover Cleland beat the incumbent Benjamin Harrison. Grover Cleland was the first and so far only person to serve non-consecutive terms as US President.

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There's a song about old Grover Cleveland, a really dumb song, but kids seem to love it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1sW6HM-WoY

And no, Tomatoes, Bush was not the worst United States President. Please don't take that distinction away from us in Lancaster County. We had Buchanan. Harding also ranks down there with him

Historians also argue that Buchanan was our first (and only?) gay President. I am not too sure about that, though, despite his open relationship with William Rufus King. Buchanan had been engaged to Ann Coleman, but she broke the engagement and died not long after that. He had vowed never to love or marry another and he did not. I've always been fascinated with that love story since Ann hangs on our family tree somewhere!

PA Dutch Mom said...

Kylie -- I am kind of warming up to Carson, too, but don't you think that he is just a bit too calm and laid back? I could see a Trump-Carson ticket with both of them balancing out each other.

fidosmommy said...

And the astonishing thing is that Time Travel was involved. Jon, who wasn't born in 1963, went back in time to do the deed and successfully pulled it off. They say Jon has no talent!

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Is that anything like going hither, thither and yon?

PA Dutch Mom said...

What I think of George Bush is my opinion. But I base my opinion on facts. I would never speak for you or even to you. You sound like you're very angry.

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I understood Kylie's concern. It was stated as fact. We have to remember that comments often are opinion, but when opinion is based on information that has not yet been determined as "fact," it is difficult to differentiate between the two, and since the final vote isn't in yet as far as Bush's ranking, then it is speculation. We don't know yet how he will go down in history. He certainly isn't the worst President in US history.

I didn't think that Kylie sounded angry, just frustrated with speculation stated as fact.

Somewhere In Time said...

And the astonishing thing is that Time Travel was involved. Jon, who wasn't born in 1963, went back in time to do the deed and successfully pulled it off. They say Jon has no talent!

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Is that anything like going hither, thither and yon?

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Hither, thither and Jon? LOL!!

I am sure Jon could pull it off. This attorney heard Lincoln's Gettysburg Address and was at Ford's Theater when he was assassinated. If the bio (click on his name) is legit, this guy is no dummy. Oh, and apparently the attorney announced his candidacy for President. I guess it didn't work out for him and he is no longer a contender.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/28/andrew-basiago-seattle-attorney-time-travels_n_1438216.html

So does this mean that Hillary knows if she won the election or was defeated? :)

"He claims that after a very early time traveler leap into the future he reported back that there was a black president named Barack Obama. He confides that his handlers were especially interested in identifying future presidents in order to foster and shape their early development. Andy claims that many of the most recent presidents, including both Bushes, Clinton and Obama were told of their future presidential roles long before they came into power."

http://www.trinfinity8.com/my-dinner-with-time-traveler-andrew-basiago/

Did I have two many glasses of wine tonight? Yeah, probably.

Pat said...

FWIW, Let's Throw Tomatoes, I think you're entitled to state your opinion here as others have stated theirs.

This is a blog. Every comment here is an 'opinion'. Must we type IMO behind every sentence? I don't think so.

Here's a couple of facts, not opinions. George Bush was POTUS the year of 2001. The terrorist attack in New York (and elsewhere) happened while he was POTUS. In other words, it happened on HIS watch. Those are undeniable facts.

Here's where opinion comes in. He handled it poorly. Put Bush and 9/11 in a search engine. Almost all are negative 'opinion' pieces. Point here is many, many, perhaps not on this particular blog, but around the US, many people have a poor opinion of the man.

I agree with Let's Throw Tomatoes. I *think* Bush was the worst POTUS during my lifetime - so far. <-- that's my opinion.

Kirkland said...


Kylie,
Just as Tomatoes stated her opinion about Bush, so did you about Hillary. Your statement about Hillary is your opinion, not fact. I personally do not think Hillary is "arrogant and a huge liar". And of course, that is my opinion.

Math Girl said...

I decided to ask one more Presidential history question: if an incumbent president runs and is defeated, what happens in the following election? Who has won the most times? This would be the situation that would have happened if Obama had run for re-election in 2012 and been defeated.

For this one, I just started with the list of presidents who defeated an incumbent and looked for what happened in the following election. I started with Lincoln, because that's when the Republicans/Democrats became the two US parties.

An "upstart" has defeated an incumbent 7 times in the time period in question.

Five of those times, the "upstart" was a democrat who unseated an republican incumbent. Three times, the democratic upstart was himself re-elected: Wilson, FDR, and Clinton. Twice, the democratic upstart was succeeded by a by a republican: Cleveland (who didn't run) and Carter (who did).

Twice, a republican defeated a democratic incumbent. One of these, Regan, was re-elected, and one, Harrison, was succeeded not just by a democrat, but by the very incumbent he beat.

Can we conclude that if a republican had beaten Obama in 2012, there was a 50-50 chance that he/she would be reelected in 2016 and a 50-50 chance that Obama would come back to beat him/her in 2016? Leaving no chance for Hillary at all?

I don't think so. The sample size is MUCH too small to draw any such conclusion!

Rhymes with Witch said...

Do Capote fans. Unpublished stories to be published.

http://nypost.com/2015/10/24/how-14-truman-capote-stories-vanished-until-now/

P.J. said...

OT There's nothing like sitting in the dark, on a rainy Saturday night, reading Helter Skelter and having the wind blow a broom over outside your door. That'll get your heart pumping.

I'm only 50 pages in and I'm pretty sure Charlie Manson would walk in this day and age. The crime scene was a disaster from the get-go. 43 law enforcement personnel in and out in the first 2 days. Evidence moved, evidence kicked to different locations and evidence ignored. I like to think we're much more sophisticated and educated in our crime scene management today. I always chuckle when I hear defense attorneys argue that the crime scene was "botched". Who is better trained at crime scene investigation than police? Are there independent CSI companies out there that I don't know about?

As an aside, I think we all here can distinguish between fact and opinion. Not being able to do so is what causes so many blogs and comment sections to be derailed. There's a new subject to add to the school curriculum: Fact or Opinion and How to Tell the Difference.

P.J. said...

Do all roads lead to PA? Bill Cosby under investigation. Again.

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/bill-cosby-rape-scandal-star-under-criminal-investigation-pennsylvania/

Katykat said...

Did anyone read The Kennedy Women?
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Yes. Man, every last one of them married an ass in the husband department. Ethel was strong enough to hold her own...but poor Joan. Oh, and Rosemary...awful. I wish more of the credit had gone to Eunice for The Special Olympics. I've seen Kathleen's grave at Chatsworth. You may enjoy The Mitford Sisters. One of them was Kathleen's sister-in-law, and became Duchess after Kathleen's husband died. Another one became a communist here in the US, and get this...Hillary Clinton interned for her communist husband's law firm. Small World.

Jane said...

Math Girl - thanks for your research! Love your posts!

fidosmommy said...

If anyone is interested, Dr. Phil is having a 2 part show this week - Thursday and Friday. The guest will be an ex-journalist who says the FBI has been watching Jared Fogle (Subway) for years and that she has audio tapes of Jared talking about meeting up with minor children for sex.

Not having watched the show yet, obviously, I want to ask what took so darn long to bring him in for questioning? Were more children damaged in the interim?

While hardly the big issue here, I have to wonder how all this is affects the medical practice of Jared's father. This whole mess may have ruined his career, too. Maybe. Hopefully not.

Also, I would like to know what life event(s) brought Jared to this crime.

I probably will never know any of it. But I am interested.

Kylie said...

Thank you PA Dutch Mom. I was not at all angry just disgusted that Tomatoes keeps up with her hate of Bush and presents it as FACT when what she says has not been proven. I agree with with you said. Trump and Dr. Carson? Hmm, that's interesting!

Dmasy said...

Last night I watched the entire first season of "The Borgias".

I am skeptical of current politics but, they created corruption in 1492!

Tucker's Mom said...

Dmasy said... 131
Last night I watched the entire first season of "The Borgias".

I am skeptical of current politics but, they created corruption in 1492!
*****
Do you recommend it? Good binging?

Jane said...

Nice to see you again, Layla! I agree with you about TLC. It's hard to imagine how they'll stay relevant unless they redo their programming. I remember their early days when they had interesting, smart shows.

Dmasy said...

Tucker's Mom, if you watched "The Tudors" and enjoyed it, you will most likely fall straight into "The Borgias". Very dark. The main characters have few redeeming values. Costumes and scenery = lush.

It is the era when the concept of "machiavellian" was born! (Niccolo Machiavelli)

Tucker's Mom said...

Dmasy said... 134
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Thanks, Dmasy. Might start watching today. It's still cloudy here, and we're hanging around the house as little Bichon has a cough and just started antibiotics.
Just an OT to our dog peoples out there- Bichon is well within his bordatella vaccination, but he probably caught something at day care on Friday. Dogs can still get "kennel cough" even though they've got the bordatella vaccine.
It's like getting the flu vaccine-- you can still get the flu ;-(
So, there goes our Halloween parade! Bichone was going to go as the Pope, and Yellow Lab was going as a biker chick, with a denim Harley Davidson vest and a American flag bandana.
Oh well. DH has more time to put a temporary fix on our backyard fence that was taken out when our tree fell.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Blowing in the wind said: I think that you can point to quite a few Presidents who had "no experience" running a country and they turned out to be, historically, some of the best Presidents we ever had. Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt (the one on Mount Rushmore!) come to mind, as well as Truman and Eisenhower, all ranked in the top ten. Reagan was a decent President, and he was an actor.
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Well, Lincoln was postmaster, 4 term state legislative, U.S. Senator, and gave the famous Lincoln-Douglas debates. Roosevelt was 2 term NY Assembly, U.S Civil Service Commissioner, Asst. Sec. of the Navy, fought in the Spanish-American war leading the Rough Riders, Gov. of NY, and Vice President of the US. Truman fought in WWI, District Judge, US Senator, and Vice President of the US. Eisenhower went to West Point, fought in WWI,WWII, and Korea, served as aid to General MacArthur, a 4-star General. Reagan was President of SAG, secret informant for FBI, gave more than 200 speeches for Nixon, had 8 year business contract for General Electric, and Governor of CA for 8 years.

What business and political experience does sweet Carson have? I think he served on two boards.He is a very successful Dr., author and was a short time contributor for Fox.

What experience does Trump have. No political experience except super short foray run for President in 2012and is CEO of his corporation. Yes, a very highly successful corporation. But all the deals that he has negotiated has been for his corporation. Trumps primary political experience has been buying and selling politicians and bureaucrats to get building, occupancy, and other permits and favors for his different business enterprises. And he has experience clearing away regulatory obstructions, or get regulations passed to protect him from competition or liability for his companies' actions against employees, customers, and shareholders. He also has been buying and selling politicians and bureaucrats to get building, occupancy, and various other permits and favors for his company and to clear away regulatory obstructions, or get regulations passed to protect him from competition or liability for his companies' actions against employees, customers, and shareholder. Also he has four corporate bankruptcies.

And having stated that--I am a Republican. But I am not thrilled at all with Trump or Carson. I think Trump has a personality problem with narcissism and Carson's personality is too laid back. I am scared that Clinton is going to be President. But we have a year to go so hopefully things may change.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Also it is a proven fact Clinton is a liar. She is despicable how she lied to the families and to the country about Benghazi. And she has more scandals than the average politician. Whitewater. Trooper gate. Paula Jones. Monica Lewinsky. Vince Foster, Benghazi, email and FBI controversy, and the Clinton Foundation. Here is an excellent article that briefly summarizes all of the above scandals.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/tracking-the-clinton-controversies-from-whitewater-to-benghazi/396182/

foxy said...

OT....I just saw a clip for the next 7 little Johnston's and I think the mom slapped one of the daughters in the face....hard. It was so fast I could have seen it wrong. The daughter had a shocked look on her face. Redbird, did you see this?

I cannot stomach Michelle Hamel (sp) and her nasty kids. I know it is pretty much scripted, but as a mother, I would protest my children being put into that light where they appear to not be very nice.

Let's throw tomatoes said...

Last month I went to get a physical. The doctor administered an EKG and it came out abnormal. Apparently my heart is beating to fast. After several tests , even an ultra sound, they can't figure out why. So probably it's not a good time to be on this blog. LOL

But before I take some time off I want to clarify something. Kylie accused me of being a hater and that I hate George Bush. That is not true. I actually like him. I think he's a nice guy and has a goofy personality similiar to my hubby. I would give him a pass for one or two negative things during his presidency but he has so many it's hard to overlook. I just think he was a lousy president. JMO

BTW, Kylie I save the very strong emotion ( hate) for terrible people who do horrible things. People who abuse babies or puppies come to mind. I advise you don't throw the word hate around so easily because you diminish the true meaning of hate.

Hope everyone has a great holiday season!

Midnight Madness said...

So, there goes our Halloween parade! Bichone was going to go as the Pope, and Yellow Lab was going as a biker chick, with a denim Harley Davidson vest and a American flag bandana.

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Why wasn't Lab going as Kim Davis? He could have walked paw-in-paw with Bichon.

Midnight Madness said...

OT There's nothing like sitting in the dark, on a rainy Saturday night, reading Helter Skelter and having the wind blow a broom over outside your door. That'll get your heart pumping.

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On nights like that, I read Poe, starting with The Raven!

Tucker's Mom said...

Anonymous said... 136
(Leslie)
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I love how we can go from political polemics to amazing educational, historical posts! I have learned so much from reading over the past 2 days, and am curious to read more.
Thanks everyone for your participation in our off-topics. I think we should be proud that we are overall pretty darn respectful. And that don't happen often nowadays on the interwebs!

Dmasy said...

OT -- "The Borgias"

I guess one question would be that if a family is extremely close, but evil runs through their veins, how soon before they turn upon each other? (The series plays coy with the historical reference to incest.)

There is a strong "squint" factor. That is how I rate movies where you don't want to watch some scenes with your eyes wide open.

I cross referenced Wikipedia history. The Borgia story is being told while Columbus is discovering America and Katherine, Henry the VIII's first wife, is in her pre-teens.

History is remarkable!

Math Girl said...

foxy said... 138
OT....I just saw a clip for the next 7 little Johnston's and I think the mom slapped one of the daughters in the face....hard. It was so fast I could have seen it wrong. The daughter had a shocked look on her face. Redbird, did you see this?
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Not redbird, but I looked it up. I rewound several times, and to me it looked like it was on the upper arm/shoulder, was a light slap, and the girl was laughing afterwards. Still, perhaps not the best scene to include in a show or promo clip, since many people would see/interpret it the way you did. It's especially bad in the clip, without any context.

Here's the link for anyone else who wants to examine it:
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/7-little-johnstons/

Kylie said...

Tomatoes, even though you don't want to talk to or even meet me, I truly am sorry for your health issues. It is no fun to feel rotten. I hope your Dr. Is able to help you and you begin feeling better. As for my comment about hate, that is what you said came across to me. As for me, I don't think Bush was a great president, he made lots of mistakes. My sister cannot stand the man. I feel his actions after 9/11 were presidential. I do not believe for a minute that he knew specifically about what would happen at that exact time. Threats are just that and terrorists play by no set of rules. He could not have know how they would have planes driven into those 2 buildings. What was he to do? Shut down all the planes everything single day? Also, yes it is my opinion that Hilary would make an awful president. Whatever the case, I still love the USA and wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

Take care of yourself Tomatoes and you also have a happy holiday season! I love this time of year. My granddaughter and I have so much fun shopping and decorating.

Midnight Madness said...

And she has more scandals than the average politician. Whitewater. Trooper gate. Paula Jones. Monica Lewinsky. Vince Foster, Benghazi, email and FBI controversy, and the Clinton Foundation

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There are more than that. She has quite a list of them under her belt and I don't think that they all are exaggerated with no basis in fact, just to make her look guilty of deception.

I was doing research, trying to figure out how this Clinton Foundation works and it is so convoluted that I don't know that even Hillary understands it. It gave me a headache. What I did get out of it is that money goes through other countries, such as Canada, and then to the Foundation. Isn't that money laundering? What not just donate directly to the Foundation? In addition, I was trying to figure out Blumenthal's connection to Hillary and came across this...

http://thefederalist.com/2015/10/23/4-times-sidney-blumenthal-was-more-than-just-a-friend-to-hillary-clinton/

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
What is so funny about politics is the photos that different TV stations and articles show of THEIR candidates. For instance, the recent CNN Democratic debate had a fantastic photo of Clinton and a horrible photo (no exaggeration) for their promotion commercial. It showed me which candidate CNN want for President even before the debates started. Make note of it.

AuntieAnn said...

OT

I've been out of the loop for a few days and am catching up this a.m. I hope everyone is having a lovely autumn.

I have a Dear Abby question, if you guys will bear with me...

I don't know if anyone remembers, but a while back (last year) I wrote about our OCD neighbors cutting down a tree that gave us a fair amount of privacy between their house and ours. Now their kitchen window looks directly into our living room, so we've been living with the blind down for the last year as Gladys Kravitz seems very interested in the goings-on here. I don't know why because we're not that interesting. ha!

Anyway, we have two very tall, very large trees on our property in the front yard. The leaves are last to green in the spring and last to drop in fall. Mrs. Kravitz does not like this. She has, for the last week or so occupied herself with raking HER lawn well past sundown. The other night she was out there in her housecoat picking them up one at a time as they fell. I normally rake up our leaves a few days before Halloween and bag them in those big orange jack'o lantern bags. BUT... yesterday Gladys decided she'd had enough of our damn leaves and raked our entire front lawn, right down to coming to the front steps WITH HER BROOM, and sweeping out the debris that gathers around the big geranium flower pots. She filled up her yard waste bin AND her regular waste bin. All the while she was doing this she kept peering into our front room window.

I guess I should appreciate her effort, but if you talk to this woman you can't get rid of her. She interrogates you. I need advice or maybe just another perspective from you guys. Is this intrusive or what? Rude? Neighborly? WTF? I'm so angry with her right now, I don't even want to thank her.

Oh, the problems of the mediocre! lol

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
I would tell Gladys that your front yard and waste bin are private property. IF you want tell her thanks for raking but please do not step on your private property again or you will have to call police. How dare she!

Anonymous said...

Neighborly? I think not. What your crazy neighbor did was trespass into your, remove your property (the leaves from YOUR tree) and do a Peeping Tom into your windows. If you cannot bear to talk to her, I would look into a cease and desist letter. And since you had plans for the leaves, I hardly think you should appreciate her effort. Your leaves in HER yard, her business. Think nosy neighbor has really and literally crossed the line. But it is a funny story.

OrangeCrusher1

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
Want to read something easy about the Clintons. Read the reviews about the book "Clinton Cash" that came out recently. I read the first three or so of the one star reviews and they are very critical of the Clintons. Yes the one stars ones. But the great majorty of the reviews give five and four stars. Read at top about the summary of the book. I am floored that the American people want her as President of the greatest country in the world. The Clintons are greedy among many other negative adjectives.
http://www.amazon.com/Clinton-Cash-Foreign-Governments-Businesses/dp/0062369288

AuntieAnn said...

Thanks Orange :) I thought so, too. I told dh I should put up a 'no trespassing' sign but he said they give off bad vibes - lol. She's batshit crazy not only about the leaves on the lawns, but she's out there this minute as I am typing this...sweeping the street gutters. (She cleans houses as a living, btw) If she dares to start in our back yard I'll have to tell her to knock it off and live with it. She's too much. Her husband is the same way. Two years ago he thought he had dew worms in the lawn - which he didn't - but he tore up his entire lawn and laid new sod within two days. They're both nuts!

Localyocul said...


I guess I should appreciate her effort, but if you talk to this woman you can't get rid of her. She interrogates you. I need advice or maybe just another perspective from you guys. Is this intrusive or what? Rude? Neighborly? WTF? I'm so angry with her right now, I don't even want to thank her.

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I didn't know you lived next to milo

Over In TFW's County said...

Not redbird, but I looked it up. I rewound several times, and to me it looked like it was on the upper arm/shoulder, was a light slap, and the girl was laughing afterwards.

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I agree. It didn't look like a "discipline" slap but more like a hit on the shoulders done in jest. I would think that TLC included it in the promo for the drama effect.

Jane said...

Localyocul said... 153

I guess I should appreciate her effort, but if you talk to this woman you can't get rid of her. She interrogates you. I need advice or maybe just another perspective from you guys. Is this intrusive or what? Rude? Neighborly? WTF? I'm so angry with her right now, I don't even want to thank her.

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I didn't know you lived next to milo

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Hahahaha! Great comment, localyocul!

Over In TFW's County said...

Last month I went to get a physical. The doctor administered an EKG and it came out abnormal. Apparently my heart is beating to fast. After several tests , even an ultra sound, they can't figure out why. So probably it's not a good time to be on this blog. LOL

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My sister-in-law had the same symptoms. Her heart was beating too fast. It was due to a thyroid problem, together with high blood pressure. The tachycardia is now under control. Good luck and be well.

AuntieAnn said...

I didn't know you lived next to milo

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lol!! She must have one of those fancy schmancy transporters.

Beam me up Scotty.

Over In TFW's County said...

grisel arteaga ‏@grisel1018 9h9 hours ago Greenacres, FL
@Kateplusmy8 Hey Kate! Today is my birthday!! Hope you see this! I haven't talked to you in forever! Hope your doing good! Xox

You have talked to Kate on a regular basis. Probably is that she won't talk to you!

This sheeple has been pleading, begging to be noticed for the past year or so. Let's see if a birthday brings a response from Kate.

AuntieAnn said...

(Leslie)
I would tell Gladys that your front yard and waste bin are private property. IF you want tell her thanks for raking but please do not step on your private property again or you will have to call police. How dare she!

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She used her own waste bins, if you can believe that. I should have opened the front door and offered her a couple of those bags I use and gone back into the house but I didn't have the nerve.

Calling the law on her has crossed my mind, too. She sometimes sits outside late at night to smoke her cigarette. When we first moved here, she told me our outside faucet was dripping so she tried to shut it off but couldn't, advising me that it needs replacing otherwise it will run up our water bill. WELL THANK YOU, GLADYS. The faucet is right beneath a window - eye level. I wonder how often this creepy woman looks in on us.

Math Girl said...

There is a strong "squint" factor. That is how I rate movies where you don't want to watch some scenes with your eyes wide open.
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I don't just squint, I hide my eyes. If I'm watching on TV, I have a throw handy to keep me warm and use for scary scenes. In movie theaters, I usually clutch my husband's arm.

P.J. said...

Auntie Ann said...

Two years ago he thought he had dew worms in the lawn - which he didn't - but he tore up his entire lawn and laid new sod within two days. They're both nuts!

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Good Grief! Dew worms are a sign of a healthy lawn, not a sick one. Do they realize that people pay big bucks to buy worms? Worms mean there is plenty of organic materials on the lawn and that's what they eat. When they eat, they poop and that stuff is black gold for any gardener.
If worm casting are such a problem for him, it's likely because he waters too much. SMH.

foxy said...

Math girl 146 and Over in TWF's county 154, I watched the clip you posted and that is not the same one that is being shown on TV. The one you referenced shows the girl being slapped on the shoulder, but the one on the new commercial looks like the face and the mom is angry. The last half of the commercial on the website is on TV.

White Organza said...

"Yesterday Gladys decided she'd had enough of our damn leaves and raked our entire front lawn, right down to coming to the front steps WITH HER BROOM, and sweeping out the debris that gathers around the big geranium flower pots."

Wow... Could this be a "canadian" thing?! Because I swear, Auntie Ann, I have the exact same problem with my OCD neighbour. It started the same as in your case with leaves raking in the fall, way up to the flower beds, And this summer she started mowing my little front lawn. (WTH?!!) My lawn was NOT overgrown: in an effort to be more ecological, I had replaced it by clover: no more fertilizer, no more wasting water by watering and only one or two mowing for the season. She never understood that and kept mowing it to the ground every other week. The clover got sparser and sparser and finally died.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The other night she was out there in her housecoat picking them up one at a time as they fell. I normally rake up our leaves a few days before Halloween and bag them in those big orange jack'o lantern bags. BUT... yesterday Gladys decided she'd had enough of our damn leaves and raked our entire front lawn, right down to coming to the front steps WITH HER BROOM, and sweeping out the debris that gathers around the big geranium flower pots.


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Holy passive aggressive, batman!

And also, that's hilarious. I'm sorry about that though!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...



Neighborly? I think not. What your crazy neighbor did was trespass into your, remove your property (the leaves from YOUR tree) and do a Peeping Tom into your windows. If you cannot bear to talk to her,


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It is trespassing. If she has an issue with how someone is keeping their lawn, there is usually proper channels to complain to. Like a home owner's association or town council or zoning board. She needs to do that.

If she hurt herself on your lawn you might be held liable especially now that you're on notice she's coming onto your property, and that's screwed up. She needs to get off.

redbird said...

They should add this to the pile of lies that Hillary has told.

In a speech in Washington and in several interviews last week Clinton described how she and her daughter, Chelsea, ran for cover under hostile fire shortly after her plane landed in Tuzla, Bosnia.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/26/us-usa-politics-clinton-idUSN2540811420080326

Even Obama was giving her heck about it when he was a senator.

My mother and I were talking about this, just this morning. She flat out lied and said that when she and Chelsey got off the plane that gunfire erupted and they had to duck and run and the bullets were buzzing over their heads.

My mother said, if that would of really happened, Anderson Cooper, (Admin's bf) would of been on a plane to Bosnia! And I said, yeah, Wolf Blitzer too!

redbird said...

foxy, no, I didn't see the 7 little johnsons promo. I have only seen very little of them, I don't watch it. I had to google images to see what they exactly look like. But I did see a promo where the mother wanted to find her bio dad. And then they show her talking on the phone saying, Hi, Dad. I will watch the link you posted.

Also, on Sister Wives, looks like they have the cameras in the courtroom with all of the Browns all dressed up for the adoption of Robins kids with Kody. Robins ex would of had to SIGN OVER parental rights for that to happen. They would do anything to keep that show going. Meri divorcing Kody so he could marry IMO Robin the true love of his life! So they could adopt Robins kids.

Then Meri announces that Robin is pregnant again. Then the tone is so different from 4 years earlier when precious Solomon was announced. The wives and the older kids were horrified. Even the older boy who wrestles said, we have too many kids as it is!! Now 4 years later they were all excited to hear about it. I think the reason why is because they don't have to get a regular job. The money is rolling in for a while longer. After the new baby is born, Madison marries on a Sister Wives Madison Gets Married Special, and things settle down, Kody will find a 5th wife!

Who marries their 4th wife and goes on a fun honeymoon for only a week leaving your other wives and a truckload of kids at home goes to a beach and playfully doing slow cartwheels in your black scuba suits and needing to get a room to only call back home and say, we are not staying a week, we are staying TWO WEEKS!

The looks on the other wives faces were SO SAD! They were very upset and some of the kids were acting out. Especially the wrestler.

But the big question, when Kody and Robin got back from the honeymoon, the first night, WHO did Kody stay with the first night he got back? Did he stay with Robin or did he choose Janelle, Christine or Meri? 64K question!

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
I watched a few episodes of Sister Wives recently where Christine said loud and very clear that she is very jealous. In fact she, Cody, and their therapist went on an anniversary trip. Yes, they went with their therapist and if I am not wrong they met with a second therapist while on their trip.

Meri and Janelle met and it was said that they have big differences and wanted to go to therapy to work it out. This differences went back years.

I can't imagine how things work out with four wives. This is my question, Rebird. Does Cody have a job? You know-other than filming? Doesn't he have over 20 kids. I don't think the four wives are all that happy.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

A good read is "The First Family Detail: Secret Service Agents Reveal the Hidden Lives of the Presidents" by Ronald Kessler. Arrogance appears to be Hillary's middle name. She is nasty! The book is not only about Hillary, but other Presidents as well. It really is worth reading.

http://www.ronaldkessler.com/newbook.html

I am now about three-quarters of the way through "Unlikeable: The Problem with Hillary" by Edward Klein. It is well researched and the author is a straight shooter.

I am waiting to read "Queen of Chaos: The Misadventures of Hillary Clinton" by Diana Johnstone and "Love Her, Love Her Not: The Hillary Paradox" by Joanne Bamberger.

Next up will be Trump's "Crippled America" and "Never Enough: Donald Trump and the Pursuit of Success" by Michael D'Antonio.

Books keep me out of trouble and out of the Rumspringa. I guess that's a good thing!

foxy said...

Redbird 166, Math girl posted that link for TLC. That link does not show the promo that is on TV. I swear she hit the girl in the face. The one on the TLC link shows the mother hitting her on the arm.

Auntie I have a neighbor like that too. He doesn't miss a fart that happens in the neighborhood. I came home from an appointment one afternoon and as I drove into the yard saw my bushes moving. It scared me at first, but then I saw he was in there chopping away. He left the mess and I had to get the paper bags, cut the branches to fit and dispose of them. Like I have nothing else to do. Aggravation to the hilt. At least Gladys cleans up, Abner not so much.

Anonymous said...

(Leslie)
My post #147 should have said CNN had a horrible photo of Sanders. His mouth was open like he was shouting.

Anyway, if you want something to summarize the crooked Clinton Foundation read the reviews about the recent book Clinton Cash. It is very highly researched. On Amazon it mostly has four and five star reviews. Just reading the reviews gives an overview. In fact, I read the first few one star reviews and they were critical of the Clintons. HA! And there were only a few one star reviews out of nearly 900 reviews. At the top read the editorial reviews and back cover review. Here is the link:
http://www.amazon.com/Clinton-Cash-Foreign-Governments-Businesses/dp/0062369288

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

At least Gladys cleans up, Abner not so much.

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Is he a Peeping Abner?

Mojave said...

Hi, AuntieAnn:

It's possible your neighbor is clueless. Some people do not realize they are crossing boundaries when they are that intrusive. I would have a very gentle (but firm) talk with her and explain that people just don't do what she is doing, and her coming onto your property makes you very uncomfortable. You could also mention,as Admin pointed out, her coming onto your private property puts you at risk. Tell her she cannot do it again. But, no anger. No judgment. I think one time will keep her at bay. If it doesn't, then you mention restraining orders and police involvement.

Just my two cents! Good luck.

AuntieAnn said...

If she hurt herself on your lawn you might be held liable especially now that you're on notice she's coming onto your property, and that's screwed up. She needs to get off.

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I wondered about that. She was there uninvited though so if, god forbid, a limb fell on her pointed head, would WE still be liable?


WhiteO (162)- lol! I hope it isn't a Canadian thing. Are you and I just too polite to say anything? I hate fighting with neighbors because you have to see them almost every day. I really don't know how to chase this woman off without causing a scene. Maybe I'll ignore her and she'll get the hint that her services are neither wanted nor needed. Like I said before, such a dilemma!

White Organza said...

Are you and I just too polite to say anything? I hate fighting with neighbors because you have to see them almost every day. (174)

Politeness does play a role in the situation, I'm sure. That and the fact that I'm a real chicken when it comes to confronting people. :) One of my best and oldest friend is a psychologist and she can't believe the shenanigans I'm willing to go through to avoid confrontation... With one exception, though: the men in my life. They all knew exactly where I stood and where was the line they couldn't trespass. Why I can't be as affirmative with people I don't know or care about is a real mystery to me.

AuntieAnn said...

Good advice Mojave. If I do have to confront her I'll use that tactic if I can muster the courage. She has a pretty sour face.


Foxy, I had no idea so many of us have our very own Gladys Kravitz living next door to us. I'm even feeling a twinge of sympathy for Schmoopy. That can't be good.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

AuntieAnn (#174), good grief, that neighbor situation is a
sticky wicket. If you don't mind my injecting a little levity into
the situation, I can't help but think of Milo's neighbors moving
under cover of darkness, and leaving no forwarding address.
In your current situation, you can probably see the appeal of
that exit strategy. Good luck, and please keep us posted.

Over In TFW's County said...

Oh, Auntie! That is so funny, but yet it isn't funny! May we expect to see you on a new episode of "Fear Thy Neighbor?"

Send her down here. Our leaves need to be raked and we will give her some window-peering excitement!

I just now saw the promo of Johnstons on television, and yes, she did slap her in the face. She appears to be a hitter. It is a different clip than the one linked here.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

Anonymous said... 149
(Leslie)
I would tell Gladys that your front yard and waste bin are private property. IF you want tell her thanks for raking but please do not step on your private property again or you will have to call police. How dare she!

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I wouldn't tell her that. It's too threatening and that's the last thing that Auntie needs. I would thank her, though, and tell her very firmly that the leaves are your responsibility, you will take care of it and not to do it again. I would be nice about it, though, but let her know that you mean business. No mention of law enforcement or cease and desist. That could make things worse so early in the game.

Layla said...

Katykat (127) said…
I wish more more of the credit would have gone to Eunice for The Special Olympics
**********
Agreed! Eunice Shriver is my personal hero. Imagine starting a summer camp in your backyard, and turning it into the worldwide organization (the Special Olympics) it is now. How many people have the drive to accomplish something like that? What kind of world would it be if more people put in the work and time to do something so selfless? I am in awe of her, and so proud that my family is involved in fund raising for the Special Olympics. My sons especially enjoy the Polar Plunge each year. Eunice lived very close to us for many years, and her husband Sargent Shriver's funeral was here, too. Many of the Kennedy women were remarkable, strong women. They had to be to withstand the men in that family. Joe Kennedy himself--the ultimate misogynist--once said that if Eunice had balls, she'd be President. And what a President she would have been!

Layla said...

AuntieAnn,
I have to give you credit for putting up with your crazy neighbor. I think if it were me, I'd turn the hose on her.

Dmasy said...

Auntie, please keep us updated.

A new home is being built on our zero lot line. Male is a retired DEA agent. Very stern.

I hold my breath. Hubby likes him.

New neighbor commented about our Rosemary bush that slightly overhangs the lot line. Hubby says that he was joking.

We shall see.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

I have a question, and please don't hit me or banish me to the depths of the veranda with no rumspringa, never to surface again. I am asking this seriously with no intention to antagonize or be argumentative. It is not a contentious question.

With all of the books written, the various personal accounts about Hillary's nastiness, arrogance, lies and scandals, there is still support for her. How is this unlike the sheeple who have been told over and over again that Kate is disliked, deceitful, lies like a sack of you-know-what, and is a mean and miserable controlling woman, and yet they won't believe it and they still continue to support her? With blinders on, they know that Kate's journal was copyrighted and that Robert's book was based on that, and yet they argue that he is just out to get her and fabricated the tales of greed, abuse and lies. Tabloids, of course, are lies, all lies unless they show her in a favorable light.

Even when presented with various accounts and documentation of Hillary's misdeeds and questionable activities, those who are Hillary fans remain rock-solid in their support and refuse to believe what has been written about her; same goes for the sheeple who drink the Kate Kool-Aid and swear up and down that everyone loves Kate and she walks on water. They refuse to believe that Kate could have beaten her kids, abused the dogs and that Kate is a greedy woman who can't remember her own lies.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

AuntieAnn,
I have to give you credit for putting up with your crazy neighbor. I think if it were me, I'd turn the hose on her.

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And on the coldest day of the year...not in the heat of summer!

PA Dutch Mom said...

Sascha ‏@Sassccha 7h7 hours ago
@amceo 2nd Wedding - another colossal lie cooked up by Kate Gosselin and @TLC to fool her gullible fans. Already separated a whole year!

I think that some of these non-fans need to check the timeline. The wedding renewal ceremony was held in the summer of 2008. They were not separated in 2007 ("a whole year"). They were still together when they settled on the house in the fall of 2008, but the marriage was on the rocks. Rumors were rampant here during October of that year that the marriage was over, and sure enough, she filed for divorce the summer following the purchase of the new home.

Molly12 said...

Fleecing The Sheeple said... 183

With all of the books written, the various personal accounts about Hillary's nastiness, arrogance, lies and scandals, there is still support for her. How is this unlike the sheeple who have been told over and over again that Kate is disliked, deceitful, lies like a sack of you-know-what, and is a mean and miserable controlling woman, and yet they won't believe it and they still continue to support her?

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This is very interesting as I have had the same thought.

AuntieAnn said...

AuntieAnn,
I have to give you credit for putting up with your crazy neighbor. I think if it were me, I'd turn the hose on her.

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And on the coldest day of the year...not in the heat of summer!

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I may have to. haha. Years and years ago my dear grandmother stuck a hose down the front of her neighbor's dress when the woman complained grandma's sprinkler was hitting the clothes hanging on her line to dry. Yes, the police were called lol.

Thanks everyone for all your input. Flimsy, levity is ALWAYS welcome and I'll keep you posted, Dmasy. Admin, sorry for taking this thread so OT, but I always appreciate the wisdom of the veranda gals and guys.

Over And Out said...

There are some who do not believe that Hillary is less than honest. She calls it something else. Remember this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/us/politics/25clinton.html?_r=0

Then there is this...

http://investmentwatchblog.com/hillary-clinton-was-fired-after-working-on-the-watergate-investigation-because-she-was-a-liar-she-was-an-unethical-dishonest-lawyer-she-conspired-to-violate-the-constitution-the-rules-of/

It reminds me of Kate and Coupon Cabin!

Was it ever disclosed if she was fired from her cafe blogging, or if her contract expired?

Over In TFW's County said...

Gladys makes an excuse for Kate not wishing the Grisel fan a happy birthday!

Fired Up 4 Kate ‏@MiloandJack 55m55 minutes ago
@grisel1018 @Kateplusmy8 LOL Grisel...you know Kate sees that word #birthday anymore & she just runs! :) You look gr8 girl ...not older!

Sue said...

@EmCr68: I feel like my parents pay 45,000 dollars a year for me to just have a lot of fun!http://twitter.com/EmCr68/status/658328658332000256/photo/1


No wonder she's such a fan of Kate. Kate feels she's entitled to life on a golden platter and Emily comes across as a spoiled, entitled little trust fund baby.

Pat said...

This is very interesting as I have had the same thought.
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Oh my. You guys have figured it out! Us Hillary voters are just plain stupid. Dangit! Tried to hide it as best we could.

(really?) I'm rolling my eyes so much they're gonna fall out. That's an opinion, though, not a fact.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I wondered about that. She was there uninvited though so if, god forbid, a limb fell on her pointed head, would WE still be liable?

$$$

Yes. And zombie attacks. You're totally responsible for zombie attacks too.

Hehe I really don't know you'd have to research your jurisdiction's trespassing laws. I'm only licensed in the US this is quite literally outside my jurisdiction!

Midnight Madness said...


Oh my. You guys have figured it out! Us Hillary voters are just plain stupid. Dangit! Tried to hide it as best we could.

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It's "We" Hillary voters! LOL!! Just teasing...

Seriously, though, nobody was called stupid nor was anyone implied to be stupid. Fleecing asked a question, and it was a valid one.

Midnight Madness said...

I may have to. haha. Years and years ago my dear grandmother stuck a hose down the front of her neighbor's dress when the woman complained grandma's sprinkler was hitting the clothes hanging on her line to dry. Yes, the police were called lol.

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So now we know where you get your spunk. It's in the genes.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Joe Biden gave an incredible interview on 60 minutes tonight. What a shame he decided not to run.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

DEA agent eh? Maybe Walter White will swing by.

Pat said...

It was more than implied, Fleecing/grammar nazi. 'WE' Hillary voters were compared to Kate's sheeple fans. If that ain't an insult, then I really am stupid.

TLC stinks said...

To those who are uncomfortable with Hillary, a surprising opinion piece by, of all people, Bill O' Reilly:

http://www.creators.com/opinion/bill-oreilly/why-they-dislike-hillary.html

folks despise this woman?

I put that question to my radio audience, and the phone lines jammed up. From Alaska to Miami, the beefs rolled in. But in the end, they all fit into three separate categories.

First, many women don't like Hillary because they believe she made a deal with her husband. That is, she'd stand by him and ignore his infidelities in return for his help in her political life. The ladies who called me did not like that alleged deal at all.

Second, many men objected to her leftist ideology.


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They see the senator as a big government, limousine liberal who lives large herself, but wants to impose high taxation on those who are achieving in America.
And finally, some of the callers see Hillary as a cold, calculating woman with a sense of entitlement. There was anger that she rarely sits for tough interviews and speaks in generalities about important subjects like the war on terror.

On one level, I understand all of those opinions, but they don't rise, at least for me, to the hatred level. I reserve that territory for true villains like Saddam Hussein and Fidel Castro. But there is no question that hatred toward some American politicians like President Bush and Hillary Clinton is becoming an obsession for some people. An unhealthy obsession, in my opinion.

Much of the bitterness can be laid at the doorstep of an increasingly ideological and irresponsible mainstream media that reports rumor, propaganda, and outright slander on a regular basis. Talk radio also fuels resentments. So does the Internet and cable TV. Unfortunately, many people believe what they read and hear, especially if it fits their political disposition. Thus, it is easy to demonize people these days; it is easy to sell loathing.

This, of course, hurts America because many decent, brilliant people will not enter the brutal world of elective politics. For those who do, there will be pain. But to some, like Hillary Clinton, the sought-after gain is apparently worth it.

TLC stinks said...

I love Joe Biden and I agree it's a shame he chose not to run. I believe he is still in mourning over Beau and love that he put his family first. Bravo. Always natural, speaks his mind, a great guy.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Sue (#190), yikes, that was an obnoxious tweet from Em. Too
bad that 40 grand doesn't seem to be covering any education
in social graces. That tweet was something you could share
with your best friend -- not send to the whole free world.

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