Last night's Law and Order: SVU was a brilliant ripped-from-the-headlines satire based heavily on the Duggars and other high profile sex abuse scandals, including a side plot pulled from the story of sex offender and Jon and Kate editor Bill Blankinship. If you missed it, you can watch the full episode on NBC.com or below.
Who done it? Was it the pervert camera man who saved naked footage of the girls? What about the creepy older brother who was shipped off to Ecuador for a "mistake"? Could the Warren Jeff-like pastor-slash-lawyer have something to do with this? Are the Bakers really a Bakers dozen or will DNA prove otherwise? Mariska and the team crack the case within the hour with a couple great zingers (Chastity Empire, lol!), a lot of binge watching and some solid detective work. Well done, SVU.
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You can not tell me that Blankenship looked at all of those reality tv children and never had a deviant thought, or did something terrible with any images of them.
What that disgusting pervert got off on is disgusting.
You can not tell me that Blankenship looked at all of those reality tv children and never had a deviant thought, or did something terrible with any images of them.
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And others. How many others out there have misused or abused their position as an editor of footage of children?
I think most people who work with children do so because they genuinely like young people and want to help them. But I think some people end up in such careers because they are deviants, and such jobs are an easy, socially acceptable away to have easy access to kids. There is a reason child molesters are innocently disgusted as scout leaders, teachers, and pastors. And production. There was a great exchange in this episode where a newbie detective really wasn't enjoying this case, he was uncomfortable about not crossing the line where you disrespect their religious beliefs, and said I thought I took this job to get rapists off the streets.
Mariska said actually this IS where the rapists are. They are hiding in plain sight, in positions of trust.
I thought it was funny when the younger pregnant detective was a little bit bummed she wasn't given a more lead role in this case. She's like, wait a second I'm the only one on our team who actually WATCHES this show!
When forced to do desk duty while the others got to go out in the field and have fun investigating, she starts binge watching the whole series and putting together a really helpful timeline that cracked the case. Very resourceful.
This episode really was excellent on its own, let alone all the perfect tie ins about the Duggars.
Tight, small, ultra-religious community closing ranks and protecting a predator and taking care of things "internally".
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Did you catch how they tried to squirrel their way out of NYC having jurisdiction by saying oh we'll go home and report this to the LOCAL authorities don't worry we promise.
EXACTLY what the Duggars did when Oprah busted them. They knew full well they had the local authorities in their back pockets. They fled the jurisdiction and that was that. How to get away with murder.
Tucker's Mom said... (from last thread)
Lots of luck trying to get ratings by showing exactly the above, in addition to rehashing what their molesting, predator brother Josh has done.
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I hope so, about the ratings, but I can't help fearing that the publicity will draw more rubber-neckers and add to their ratings.
TLC has now had more than 600 sponsors say they won't air ads on the Duggar shows. How many more can they afford to lose? How deep are their pockets? Everyone is aware that TLC is saying the show is about the daughters, but they also know TLC is using this as a way to bring back the whole famn damily. I can't believe how low TLC is willing to go.
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2015/11/04/will-tlc-cancel-jill-jessa-counting-o
I wonder if that is why they specifically mentioned the Duggars? To prevent a lawsuit?
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I think you're right.
Jim Boob must be steaming this morning.
Can you imagine if they ever did this to Kate? Heads would roll, pea soup would fly.
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Mariska said actually this IS where the rapists are. They are hiding in plain sight, in positions of trust
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Which is why I wonder at people pounding "Stranger Danger" into kid's heads. The overwhelming majority are known to the victims. They are hiding in plain sight.
I hope so, about the ratings, but I can't help fearing that the publicity will draw more rubber-neckers and add to their ratings.
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No matter if it's just a scratch, you will never not have lookie loos. It's human nature to crank your head around.
I think the lookie loos have settled in around .8 to about up to 1 million viewers, and there's where it will stay in perpetuity even if all it is is a fender bender. God damn lookie loos backing up traffic.
Which is why I wonder at people pounding "Stranger Danger" into kid's heads. The overwhelming majority are known to the victims. They are hiding in plain sight.
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It's well intentioned, but absolutely misguided. Obviously you shouldn't get in a car with a stranger, but you're far more likely to be hurt in your own family home by someone you know than you are by a stranger. In fact in all my years handling child molestation cases, I don't think I've EVER seen one perpetrated by someone the child did not know.
In the rare cases where a child is hurt by a stranger, chances are there's nothing they could have done to prevent it. If they're gonna swipe you up a 7 year old isn't going to be able to get away, and chances are they aim to kill you when it's all over.
There are patterns to TYPICAL child rape. You can't easily just walk up and rape a child and expect to get away with it. The savvy ones groom the child over several months, even years. They find a child they have already built trust with and slowly build up the inappropriate contact, always careful not to do too much in the beginning in case the child tells they can brush it off as an accident or taken out of context. That doesn't work with a random kidnapping.
The problem with stranger danger as well, is that there are a lot of good samaritans out there too. If you're a little kid lost and someone offers to walk you up to the front desk and stay with you until help arrives, it's probably safest to take up their offer instead of waiting around to get kidnapped by someone bad. 99 times out of 100 strangers are nice person who just want to help. How many of us have been helped by a stranger as adults? Or even helped others ourselves!!
redbird said... 65
Localyocal, you are welcome.
Please return the favor! haha
What was the name of the detective with Finn when the cop pulled them over?
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Sorry, I just saw this and don't remember!
Can you imagine if they ever did this to Kate? Heads would roll, pea soup would fly.
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The Flying Monkey would be flinging bodies down the Exorcist steps!
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redbird said... 65
Localyocal, you are welcome.
Please return the favor! haha
What was the name of the detective with Finn when the cop pulled them over?
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Sorry, I just saw this and don't remember!
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It's Carisi. A real hard-ass and I love him.
http://lawandorder.wikia.com/wiki/Dominick_Carisi,_Jr.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/05/josh-duggar-gets-the-law-order-svu-treatment-and-it-is-glorious.html
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Which is why I wonder at people pounding "Stranger Danger" into kid's heads. The overwhelming majority are known to the victims. They are hiding in plain sight
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Exactly right. In the district I worked in we revamped the security in all areas. We taught safety and provided people they could talk to rather than stranger danger.
I love Law and Order and have watched it from when it first came on the air. They got so many things right. Some of last night's episode I thought was brilliant, but I was a little disappointed with the end. I have known uber religious parents and could just not see the mother flipping like that. I think it would have been more likely that she would blame something spiritually, like Satan and beg everyone to pray and trust in God. They become isolated and have a "them and us" mentality. I think a more realistic outcome is that the Pastor, like Josh Duggar, would claim Satan made a fortress in his heart, and become the victim of this incident in the eyes of his flock.
But the ending they chose left a better "feel good" ending and I could sleep after it was over. So, that was good.
But the ending they chose left a better "feel good" ending and I could sleep after it was over. So, that was good. 14
Realistic or not, I have to admit that I also liked the ending.
Interesting OT story - According to TMZ, DWTS lawyers had to submit Bindi's DWTS contract to a Superior Court judge for approval because Bindi is 17 years old. In the contract, Terri gave up rights to Bindi's DWTS earnings but the judge is rejecting the contract because there's no proof that Bindi's father has also given up those rights. Guess they will need to provide his death certificate.
http://www.tmz.com/2015/11/05/bindi-irwin-dwts-contract-rejected-steve-irwin/
The ending is what we wish or dream would happen if only Mariska were on the case.
To answer the person who asked if i was the user "getofftwitter" last article.No,im not that person,im someone who joined this website months ago after i found it from a Kate "hater" on twitter.I mostly comment on here nowadays cause i can express my opinion without getting harassed by Kate fans on tabloid websites.Not sure about anyone else but have Kate fans gotten more aggressive on tabloid websites?I remember last article i went on there were fans who were calling haters deluded idiots and that we have insecurity issues and alot of other things.Not sure whats up with them as of lately.
Interesting OT story - According to TMZ, DWTS lawyers had to submit Bindi's DWTS contract to a Superior Court judge for approval because Bindi is 17 years old. In the contract, Terri gave up rights to Bindi's DWTS earnings but the judge is rejecting the contract because there's no proof that Bindi's father has also given up those rights. Guess they will need to provide his death certificate.
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This story makes no sense. If the Judge had rejected Bindi's contract she wouldn't be appearing on the show. I highly doubt ABC would have a contestant on if they didn't have a signed contract in place. Especially since the contract is written more to protect the network than the contestant.
I brought this part of my comment over from the last thread.
I'm glad they portrayed the mother as the simpering fool Ma Duggar is. Unfortunately, the becoming a mama grizzly for her daughters only happens on a fictional t.v. show.
We all know that in real life, that mother would have been told to shut up by the male head of the household. she wouldn't have been allowed to have an opinion.
We all know that in real life, that mother would have been told to shut up by the male head of the household. she wouldn't have been allowed to have an opinion.
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Michelle always defers to Jim Bob. Every time I saw them do interviews, she was always looking to him for approval, parroting their party line.
By and large, I think SUV did a terrific job with that episode. I used to watch the show regularly, but don't really anymore.
Having followed the abuses in reality tv when it comes to exploiting children, and following the Duggar shennanigans, I thought the writers did an excellent job researching the timeline and the facts when it comes to the Duggar scandals.
Besided the Baker mother suddenly becoming a Mama Grizzly, I thought the biggest error was portraying the parents as people who would cancel their show, not care and give it all up when finally realized how their actions put their daughters in danger.
Michelle and JB have fought tooth and nail to stay relevant and I'm sure are as addicted to the fame and money as Kate is.
Even child pornography laws are complicated.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/supreme_court_dispatches/2015/11/supreme_court_lockhart_case_scalia_argues_for_lenity.html
Michelle always defers to Jim Bob. Every time I saw them do interviews, she was always looking to him for approval, parroting their party line. 21
Sigh. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
So how messed up does your family life have to be to become the inspiration for a Law and Order SVU episode?
Rhymes - I watched The Bletchley Circle a few months ago on Netflix. Do you know if their are new episodes?
I hadn't been to the ViaView (BV) website in a long time but glanced at it today and other than being thoroughly confused as to what's happening re legal issues I noticed a recent comment that appears to be from a court transcript in 2010 between Jon and Kate. It has to do with the allegations that the children were locked in their rooms at night while Kate travelled. I haven't the time to back through hundreds of comments there to see if this may be legit but perhaps someone who's followed that site may have information.
@jane i noticed that as well,they were talking bout Kate leaving the kids home and locked their doors and it was alexis who had to go to the bathroom and destroyed a mirror out of anger.I've also saw the comment that kate gave the kids molded food from leftovers from the other day and that the judge ordered her to stop that.Thats the part that makes me SMH cause if its true,what kinda of judge is dumb enough to not see that kind of abuse and not do the more logical thing and take the kids from her?Im not trying to deny Kate abuses her kids but if the judge knew she purposely gave the kids molded food,how is that not enough to take the kids from her?
I noticed a recent comment that appears to be from a court transcript in 2010 between Jon and Kate. It has to do with the allegations that the children were locked in their rooms at night while Kate travelled. I haven't the time to back through hundreds of comments there to see if this may be legit but perhaps someone who's followed that site may have information.
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Jane--ROL had a story about that back in March. It was about allegations Jon made in a court document prior to a mediation hearing in October 2010.
Here's the link to the ROL story:
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/03/kate-gosselin-abuse-court-documents-jon-claims-reality-star-locks-kids-in-room-eat-moldy-food/
And here's the link to the court document:
http://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/kate-gosselin-jon-gosselin-custody_Redacted.pdf
I remember we had a discussion about it at the time ROL published the story.
I haven't the time to back through hundreds of comments there to see if this may be legit but perhaps someone who's followed that site may have information. 27
IIRC that was one of the allegations investigated by the PA equivalent of DSS.
I also recall that the "nannies" were instructed to punish the kids for rule infractions. Perhaps this is covered in Robert's book?
Re: Bletchly, in last night's episode Jane (? - woman with short bangs) told her husband what she did during the war and they decided to move. My first viewing so I don't know what season it is.
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So how messed up does your family life have to be to become the inspiration for a Law and Order SVU episode?
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Or E True Hollywood Story?
Im not trying to deny Kate abuses her kids but if the judge knew she purposely gave the kids molded food,how is that not enough to take the kids from her?
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Because I don't think those things fall into the category of take the kids or giving Jon custody.
The judge probably told her to not do that, give fresh food everyday, take locks off door. Then, a follow up to make sure Kate complied.
If true about locking kids in their rooms at night, smgdh.
Ahhhh now it comes back to me. Thanks KIAT!
Rhymes - that scenario seems familiar. I'll have to do some research and see if new episodes are available to US visitors. It's a great series, hope you enjoy it! I've been watching Home Fires on PBS, England at the start of WW II. Another good one.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/amy-duggar-dillon-king-cma-joke-couple-laugh-brad-paisley-dig-josh-duggar-sex-scandal/
Duggar cousin Amy got a big kick out of her cousin Josh being the butt of jokes at the CMAs!
No judge is going to take someone's kids just for moldy food.
There are pretty high thresholds to meet in order to take away someone's fundamental right to parent their child, even temporary detentions. Most people who lose their kids to foster care are serious drug addicts.
There is no way if I was TFW's nanny I would lock the kids up in their rooms at night. What if Alexis had been severely cut with the mirror? With the nanny knocked out asleep? What about a fire?
I would of gotten her on audio telling me to and then as soon as she left with TFM I would of called Jon. That is bad. Thank God nothing bad happened. That witch is going to pay for the way she has treated those kids.
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There is no way if I was TFW's nanny I would lock the kids up in their rooms at night. What if Alexis had been severely cut with the mirror? With the nanny knocked out asleep? What about a fire?
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Kate's never hired Super Nanny. The complaint also stated that Kate left the 6 with a 19-year old.
Way, way, way, way too young to be looking after 6 kids.
There is no way if I was TFW's nanny I would lock the kids up in their rooms at night. 37
IMO that is why Katie hired young nannies who would do whatever she said.
Im not trying to deny Kate abuses her kids but if the judge knew she purposely gave the kids molded food,how is that not enough to take the kids from her?
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No, it isn't. Can you imagine how tied up the courts would be if every infraction such as this would be reported and a complaint would be filed? If a parent sends a child to school with holes in their socks on a brutally cold day, would the courts take the child away? Of course not. If a banana with a few rotten spots would be sent in a child's lunch, would they go to foster home? Nope. There must be some very substantial allegations of abuse going on in order to remove a child from the home. If a parent files a complaint about minor allegations, the judge will get sick and tired of it and the parent will be told to get their act together...throw out the moldy food and he/she doesn't want to see the parent in court for something like this again.
Kelsi Barton @mkbarton13 20m20 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Today is my birthday & I'm going to have mommy time alone & I'm gonna watch all the Kate Plus 8's I have recorded!
Wow. What a great birthday treat! Mommy time alone watching Kate whining and complaining and yelling! It doesn't take much to make those sheeple happy, does it? LOL!
Rainbowsandunicorns (#41), maybe that woman is going to
watch all those episodes and think, "Dang, I may not be a
perfect mom, but I'm about a bazillion times better than
TFW is! Happy birthday to me!"
Rainbowsandunicorns (#41), maybe that woman is going to
watch all those episodes and think, "Dang, I may not be a
perfect mom, but I'm about a bazillion times better than
TFW is! Happy birthday to me!"
Nah. She's a big Kate fan, from what I can remember...thinks Kate walks on water.
OT for redbird...
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-announces-i-love-lucy-christmas-special/
People has confirmed that Jessa Duggar has had her baby -
a boy. Will there be a "Tragedy to Triumph" cover next week?
Blech.
Being famous for being famous -- what a world...
Michele Giarratano @sunshinepawleys 39m39 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 @gardens8
Do you remember where you bought this shirt?
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She will not let this go! Kate, take off the dang shirt and send it to her. Don't bother to launder it. Your smell on it will make it so much more appealing.
"The birth of the new baby will be a focal point in Counting On, TLC's upcoming series of specials featuring Jessa and sister Jill's lives now."
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Well, let's get working on Baby Number Two. We need nine more months of baby bump photos.
Congratulations to Jessa and Ben Seewald on the birth of their son. I wish the child health, happiness and security.
And that is where my personal investment in the child ends. I am going to assume he will eat, sleep, need bathing, and will express emotions of all kinds. I am assuming he will grow, learn to turn over, crawl, stand and toddle. I am assuming he will have birthdays and the family will gather over cake and ice cream. I don't need video proof of these life occurrences. Thanks anyway.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
#TweetlessInPA All tuckered out! 5am comes awful early! https://t.co/F62eaQrcxi @kateplusmy8
Wrong species there, Gladys. If you are searching for a photo of a sleeping conure, don't use one of a Sun. That is not Zorro.
Fidos 47, nicely stated. I agree.
I don't understand women who think they are the only ones to have even given birth. The human race belies that.
On another note, Eddy Murphy's current gf is pregnant with his 10th child. Whatever floats your boat. Just don't ask for a financial or emotional investment from me.
(to be fair, they haven't and it is highly unlikely that they will).
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And that is where my personal investment in the child ends.
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Mine doesn't. I want to know if they're going to be hitting the baby with a stick if he crawls off his blanket at 6 months of age. I want to see a big spread in People magazine and a one hour special on TLC when they beat a baby into submission.
I just watched a wonderful documentary about Batkid.
Hundreds of thousands strangers came together to cheer on Batkid as he saved Gotham city. People left their purses on sidewalks to participate and no one stole them.
For one day, no stranger danger.
She will not let this go! Kate, take off the dang shirt and send it to her. Don't bother to launder it. Your smell on it will make it so much more appealing.
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Milo's fantasy! Kate, send her a piece of your clothing with your scent on it. The invisible bra would be perfect. She can tuck it under her pillow and have sweet dreams all year long! It would be the best Christmas gift that she has ever had.
A B B Y @itsabsgrace 26m26 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Collin is looking a lot like his mommy these days! Such sweet, beautiful kids. Can't believe they're in 5th and 9th! God bless
Collin looks like Kate? On what planet? Silly, silly sheeple! You gotta love 'em.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 42
Rainbowsandunicorns (#41), maybe that woman is going to
watch all those episodes and think, "Dang, I may not be a
perfect mom, but I'm about a bazillion times better than
TFW is! Happy birthday to me!"
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Way back in the day, when J&K+8 was still on TLC, there were a whole bunch of "worst moments" compilations on Youtube. I sent a link to one of them to my grown daughter with a note about "and you think I was a bad mother". She watched and was ready to award me mother of the year (or maybe the century), by comparison. I can't understand how many young girls think Kate is a good mother.
For JamesVander... I believe you. I love the Twitter haterz. I am no longer a member. Also where is the Beek?
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Notice: Jessa Duggar recently posted the complete, unedited version of her wedding video on her website. Should anyone be suffering from insomnia, this should do the trick.....
Girl (or boy)... I'm a huge fan of Dawson's Creek, and not afraid to admit it. Team Pacey.
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Um, no.
(yes I realize you were probably being sarcastic. If not, that's ok too).
Justin Bieber shows concern for Kylie Jenner: It's f**ked bro, this lifestyle.
Justin Bieber has a lot of sympathy for his close friend, Kylie Jenner.
In a candid new interview with Billboard to promote his new album, Purpose. Bieber says that " being a child star is the toughest thing in the world."
"I wouldn't suggest being a child star." he said bluntly. "I want people to be more kind to young celebrities...I hurt for some people."
"like Kylie, look at her world: she has been living on TV since she was a kid." he continues. "Every time she looks around she sees a camera, and that's affecting how she's thinking and how she's perceiving people and why she has to do certain things... Situations that happen taint your mind, especially in this industry. Especially for girls. Everything is so (based) on peoples looks and stuff...Look at the statistics on how many child stars have crumbled and turned out to be wack jobs. It's because -- it's f**ked , bro, this lifestyle.
Bieber acknowledges "the fake fantasy world" being a celebrity can sometimes create -- Particularly, when it comes to creating an ego.
"like oh, everything I say is funny. I must be the funniest dude ever," he says about the yes-people constantly surrounding him. "Only to find out, man, do my jokes suck."
Although Bieber is no long a teenager, he is still figuring it out.
Late last month, he stormed offstage in the midle of a concert in Norway, and later apologized to his fans on instagram.
It might seem awesome from the outside, but I'm struggling." he says about his current state of mind. "Certain things broke my trust with people. Situations happen that taint your mind. I started to go through the motions. I felt people were judging me all the time. I came out alive. I came out swinging. But I was close to letting (fame) completely destroy me."
"Empty, lost, like I didn't know myself." he says about the intense phase in his life, before describing the kind of thoughts that would run through his head. "You're not good enough, people hate you, you try too hard."
I found this part of the interview interesting.
So are we going to get the boring Duggar girls episodes and the K8 back to school epos both in December? Good grief. Hallmark is already running tons of Christmas movies. They make many of them every year, so it's a lot to get through.
I found this part of the interview interesting.
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Very interesting interview with Beiber.
Personally, I can't stand the punk. For as much as he complains, he's a very rich, entitled jerk.
Not that talented either. He's no Justin Timberlake.
Another mother who's always put on some pedestal, but his mom, Patty, I think, had a lot more raising up of a very young boy to to, and she dropped the ball.
If this kid doesn't join the 27 club, it will be a miracle.
Border Collie said... 60
So are we going to get the boring Duggar girls episodes and the K8 back to school epos both in December? Good grief. Hallmark is already running tons of Christmas movies. They make many of them every year, so it's a lot to get through.
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I'm a sucker for Hallmark Christmas!
I'm ready for some Hallmark!
Sorry I haven't been posting much recently. Have some personal issues involving my daughter.I did watch the Duggar SVY epi- interesting twist.
Hi There puppy and dog people! So my very sweet labradoodle has one huge problem. She poops in her kennel every night. I have crate trained 5 dogs in my life and never had poops in the crate. I have tried everything. I feed her meals earlier, the right amount, even a little less, eliminate water after 6 pm, make sure she poops before bed. It doesn't matter if I put her to bed at 1:00 am or 10:00 pm, she poops.
Every morning I run the bath, go get her out of her crate, clean her up and feed her. Then I lug the crate outside, clean it and wash her bedding. I am getting so tired of it. She has her second vet appt yesterday and he said she is healthy and keep doing what I am doing. Puppies poop, And some puppies poop more than others. He said as she gets bigger it will stop.
In the meantime, I am cleaning crates and a dirty puppy daily!!!
So last night, I though I would let her try her play yard to sleep in. She pooped in it as well.
She is on a great organic food. It does not give her diarrhea.
I also should mention, she HATES her crate. I mean hates it. It is on the lower level and we sleep upstairs. She barks probably most of the night. I don't hear it because I sleep with a sound machine.
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Other than this awful problem she is darling and cute and smart. The vet said not to scold her when cleaning it up either. It is too late. He ultimately said she will stop. I have even tried calming chews because I know she hates it in there.
I am a very bad sleeper. If I moved her crate in my room, I would never get enough sleep.
I am soooooooo tired of cleaning her crate every single day.
Also im not sure if you guys know this but say hello to honey boo boo and mama june again guys http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/mama-june-shannon-announces-familys-return-to-reality-tv-2015311
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You could try dividing the crate in two with a barrier- one living/sleeping area, on the other side, her restroom. Dogs do not like to soil their bed. Maybe the crate is too big? If you put a puppy pad down on one side only you could try training her that way...it will end eventually!. My pup is 5 mos and had indoor accidents till maybe 6 weeks ago, fewer and fewer. Good luck!
Labradoodle Mom said... 64
Here are a few things I would try.
#1 Is the crate too big for her. If spatially she see a place to sleep and a place to poop, the crate is too big. Can you partition it to make it smaller? If she pooped in her crate, it's no surprise she pooped in her play yard. It's even bigger than her crate.
#2 I would try leaving a radio or tv playing close to her. That way, she'll hear some sounds and not hear anything coming from where you are sleeping.
#3 I would start playing a crate game with her during the day. When she goes in the crate, she gets a special treat. Only wait a few minutes and then let her out. Do this several times a day and finally, give her a special treat that will only be used at bedtime. My guys run to their crates when I take their special treats out of the cupboard. They no longer get one at night, but they do when I'm out during the day and they have to be crated.
Good luck. Pooping puppies are frustrating.
I'm a sucker for Hallmark Christmas!
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Fallen Angel. Gary Sinise. Best TV Christmas movie ever.
Formerly Duped (#63), sorry to hear you've been having family
troubles. Hope things will get better, or at least not worse.
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Tough love here..... SUCK IT UP, BUTTERCUP!!!!!!!!!!
Get your dog's crate in your room and make sure you can hear her whimper, and take her out in the middle of the night to poop.
This is a bad habit to not bust asap.
If you have to, and I've done this, put the crate on your bed with you to make her feel secure. Plus, you'll hear her when she stirs. Then, poop or not, take her out in the middle of the night and reward the heck out of her when she poops.
You signed up for this. Keeping a little puppy out of earshot at night is a bad idea!
Get on top of this NOW.
I'm sorry. I'm sure you're a lovely person, but I feel pretty strongly about raising up puppies ;-)
Thanks FF! It's a depression/anxity issue that has been getting steadily worse despite 'treatment' since she was a small child.
Formerly Duped said... 71
Thanks FF! It's a depression/anxity issue that has been getting steadily worse despite 'treatment' since she was a small child.
November 6, 2015 at 10:49 AM
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She's lucky to have such a loving mom ;-)
I hope the help helps soon.
Then, poop or not, take her out in the middle of the night and reward the heck out of her when she poops.
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I agree. She needs to be near the family. Thinking dog psych here, it could be one reason she is pooping is to get attention. Not being around a human at night makes her feel insecure and she is going to "go" because she figures you know that she's pooping and is trying to get you to respond and get her out of the vast unknown and back with you.
"She barks probably most of the night. I don't hear it because I sleep with a sound machine." (Labradoodle, 64)...
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She probably barks most of the night? You can't let a dog bark all night. She needs attention. She is probably barking because she needs to go out and you're not responding. Not a good idea. You can't housebreak a dog if she lets you know she needs to go out, she is telling you and you're not responding, Sorry, but I disagree with the vet. As long as you are crating her and she's pooping in the crate, she is going to think that the crate is her personal potty. She will not outgrow it.
Thank you, rainbowsandunicorns for the heads up about the I Love Lucy Christmas special. They are going to show the colorized Christmas episode and Vitameatavegamin will also be in color.
When are these Duggars going to learn.
It doesn't give any information about if Jill was in charge of delivering the baby at home. The report said that it was at Grandma Duggars house, the same address that Josh used for his AM accounts.
Her baby was a boy and weighed 9 lbs. 11 oz. and 21 inches long.
http://www.inquisitr.com/2546717/jessa-duggar-seewald-didnt-have-home-birth-rushed-to-hospital/
The Supreme Court is going to hear this case.
http://www.lifenews.com/2015/11/06/supreme-court-will-hear-case-to-stop-obama-from-forcing-little-sisters-to-obey-hhs-mandate/
Thanks so much, Tucker. And I like your puppy advice!
Labradoodle (64), I hope you are enjoying your puppy. They are a lot of work, but worth it.
Your little one is talking to you -- probably feels like crying and begging to her. She should not bark all night. She needs you.
We have a small dog with a small bladder. We have a puppy pad in the bathroom for emergencies. But, our dog would much rather go outside. She sometimes sleeps through the night and sometimes wakes me to let her out. Yes, my sleep is interrupted. That is just a part of caring for a pet.
Our dogs chooses where she will sleep. Some nights she is in bed with us. Some nights she wants to be in her own bed which is in a corner of our bedroom. Sometimes she changes her mind in the middle of the night. Yes, my sleep is interrupted.
Just my advice -- you new family member needs to sleep nearer to where you are. You will be able to take her out during the night and she will learn not to take a bathroom break where she sleeps. You will be bonding!
Good Luck!
Dmasy said... 79
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Great advice. You're so much nicer than me!
You can take the girl out of Philly...
Labradoodle, this is it. This is when you lay the groundwork for who that dog is for the rest of her life. She's pretty much an unwritten book and you are writing on her soul.
Be kind.
Be patient.
NEVER dole out negative punishment, ONLY positive reinforcement.
Be consistent.
Love her unconditionally and she will return it in spades.
Get a professional trainer to work with your, or take her to one.
Hang in there and remember that we're here for you and your doodle!
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Labradoodle Mom said...
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Tough love here..... SUCK IT UP, BUTTERCUP!!!!!!!!!!
Get your dog's crate in your room and make sure you can hear her whimper, and take her out in the middle of the night to poop.
This is a bad habit to not bust asap.
If you have to, and I've done this, put the crate on your bed with you to make her feel secure. Plus, you'll hear her when she stirs. Then, poop or not, take her out in the middle of the night and reward the heck out of her when she poops.
You signed up for this. Keeping a little puppy out of earshot at night is a bad idea!
Get on top of this NOW.
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As others' posts demonstrate, there is a way to offer advice without such a nasty, supercilious tone. If I were the OP, I would be tuning out your advice based on the way it was delivered.
Dogs are pack animals. A puppy gets used to having a pack to sleep with for company and comfort. You are now the puppy's pack, and it looks to you to be near for company and support. To separate it out to sleep alone, unable to get you to respond to its crying and barking, is simply frustrating to the pup. Also, desperation at not being able to go outside as needed results in messes.
Have you tried puppy pads? My dog parent friends swear by them for puppies and sick dogs.
Some dogs have digestive systems that are sensitive to certain foods or ingredients. It can make them go more often but still not have diarrhea.
I wish you all success in this process. I'm glad you have this blog to turn to. People here care.
I saw a photo on the People site, of a cute newborn, wrapped in a.... Brown bath towel? Huh? The seewalds can have blow out shower but can't find anything nicer to wrap baby in than a Brown bath towel???
My oldest was over nine pounds. Gestational diabetes, with taking insulin, and waiting until 41 weeks was responsible for that! Things that make you go hmmmm.
Labradoodle Mom....
Sorry, but having a puppy is like having a newborn baby. Would you let your newborn cry all night? You need to get that crate in your bedroom right next to your bed ASAP.
You are going to be losing quite a bit of sleep for the next 6-10 weeks. It's part of the bonding, the training, and the responsibility of owning a dog. Place a quilt with your scent on it in the crate, and sleep next to it for a night or two until puppy realizes you are not going to abandon her/him again.
http://www.inquisitr.com/2546717/jessa-duggar-seewald-didnt-have-home-birth-rushed-to-hospital/
Some are wondering why there's no pics of the new mommy holding her baby yet.
That's because she's waiting for the People paycheck-- she's another Kate-- her kid is going to support her!
As others' posts demonstrate, there is a way to offer advice without such a nasty, supercilious tone. If I were the OP, I would be tuning out your advice based on the way it was delivered.
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The way in which it was delivered bordered on being indelicate, I agree, but the advice was sound. If a person went to a physician and he told his patient that she or he is obese with dangerously high blood pressure, is killing themselves with cigarettes, needs to lose weight and quit smoking, would that person disregard the advice because of the gruff way in which the physician spoke?
The puppy needs attention and being secluded from the family at night may be one reason she is having problems with the house-training process. Good luck to you, Doodle. Establishing a routine is sometimes very challenging. Patience, love and lots of hugs to your new pup!
It seems Jessa delivered the baby at home, all 9 lbs 15 oza of him and then she was rushed to a hospital by ambulance. What is wrong with these people. She is putting that baby in danger as well as herself. Even Ma Duggar had most of her kids in a medical facility. It was sickening when Anna delivered her 2nd baby in the toilet and the first in bed at home with Ma Duggar and her pervert husband assisting the doula. I would never want that filmed. Once the baby is cleaned up and snuggled in a blanket, fine. But the entire documentary? Never.
Some are wondering why there's no pics of the new mommy holding her baby yet.
That's because she's waiting for the People paycheck-- she's another Kate-- her kid is going to support her!
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Does this baby have a name?
A home birth was apparently planned, but she ended up being transported via ambulance to the hospital due to complications. I am sure that the public will get the blow-by-blow details of every hour of labor through delivery.
The way in which it was delivered bordered on being indelicate, I agree, but the advice was sound. If a person went to a physician and he told his patient that she or he is obese with dangerously high blood pressure, is killing themselves with cigarettes, needs to lose weight and quit smoking, would that person disregard the advice because of the gruff way in which the physician spoke?
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Thanks, Somewhere,
I did say "tough love!" It's meant with the best intentions and if a certain poster thinks that the thrust of my message is mean, well the, they missed the point.
If a person went to a physician and he told his patient that she or he is obese with dangerously high blood pressure, is killing themselves with cigarettes, needs to lose weight and quit smoking, would that person disregard the advice because of the gruff way in which the physician spoke?
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You betcha! No doctor has the right to speak gruffly to me. Say what you want, Doctor, but deliver it in a way that does not get my defenses up and the words get lost behind the tone. That's a great way to have your patients ditch their next appointment. It does not fly with me at all.
Somewhere In Time said...
I am sure that the public will get the blow-by-blow details of every hour of labor through delivery.
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My money is on a TLC film crew being front and center.
Jessa delivered the baby at home but she apparently bleeding heavily and that is why the ambulance was called. The Daily Mail posted the 911 call.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3307800/Mom-bleeding-heavily-Michelle-Duggar-s-911-call-ambulance-Jessa-gave-birth-home-9lb-11oz-boy.html
Maybe it's me, but does anyone think that this was ramped up drama because TLC was there filming? Michelle didn't seem overly concerned in the 911 call.
"Does this baby have a name?"
Not yet. They'll probably do a big reveal. Somebody online said they should name him People Magazine.
"like oh, everything I say is funny. I must be the funniest dude ever," he says about the yes-people constantly surrounding him. "Only to find out, man, do my jokes suck."
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That's what Prince William says really bothers him too about being a celeb. All the yes men. He said one thing he really loves about his wife is she is blunt with him and never treated him like everything he said or did was amazing. He said he's only interested in friends who call a spade a spade when it comes to him. I can see how the world can be very troubling if no one ever really puts you in your place.
KIAT (#92), the mind-boggling truth is that the more drama
there is, the better it is for the show, and everyone involved
seems to be okay about that. I can't help thinking that on the
way to the hospital, at least some of the family was thinking,
hey, we may get a 2-part episode out of this! And hello,
People cover! What the heck does any of this have to do
with their mission to spread the word about their faith?
That ship has sailed, and the SS Famewhore is now the
family vessel.
Maybe it's me, but does anyone think that this was ramped up drama because TLC was there filming? Michelle didn't seem overly concerned in the 911 call.
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I don't remember her being overly concerned with her child fell 12 feet into the orchestra pit. Her first thought was to grab the cell phone to film it.
It seems Jessa delivered the baby at home, all 9 lbs 15 oza of him and then she was rushed to a hospital by ambulance. What is wrong with these people. She is putting that baby in danger as well as herself. Even Ma Duggar had most of her kids in a medical facility. It was sickening when Anna delivered her 2nd baby in the toilet and the first in bed at home with Ma Duggar and her pervert husband assisting the doula. I would never want that filmed. Once the baby is cleaned up and snuggled in a blanket, fine. But the entire documentary? Never.
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So does the viewing ogling public get to see her patootie?
You betcha! No doctor has the right to speak gruffly to me. Say what you want, Doctor, but deliver it in a way that does not get my defenses up and the words get lost behind the tone. That's a great way to have your patients ditch their next appointment. It does not fly with me at all.
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Have you ever watched 600 Pound Life? It's about the only decent show TLC has aired. Dr. Nowzaradan can be a real SOB, but he tells it like it is and doesn't coddle his patients. If I were talked to the way that he talks to his patients I'd probably leave in tears and never return. However, with some people gruffness is the only thing they understand and when no punches are pulled most of them take his advice. Sometimes a sympathetic bedside manner just doesn't work.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/shocking-ultimatum-600lb-life-doctor-5524842
I've had several foster dogs and I usually crate them for bed time, both for their safety and to start crate training them for future families. Most of them all followed a predictable pattern. They cried a few hours the first night, a few minutes the next night, then not at all subsequent nights. The crate was right up next to my bed, on my side, near my face. They could see my face from it and feel my breath.
Sometimes just placing your hand gently on top of the crate is enough to calm them. I never told them to stop or scolded them when they were crying. In the morning their reward for sleeping in there is some snuggles in bed while I wake up, check email in bed, etc. All of them loved snuggling up, no accidents. None of them had problems understanding my bed was my own except on my terms they can come in when I say.
Of course for my own dog....well he's a prince who gets the bed 24/7 :)
Thanks, Somewhere,
I did say "tough love!" It's meant with the best intentions and if a certain poster thinks that the thrust of my message is mean, well the, they missed the point
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I didn't miss the point. Others said essentially the same thing without your tone. Making people defensive does not make them more receptive to your message. Tone matters. You seem to have missed that point.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3307800/Mom-bleeding-heavily-Michelle-Duggar-s-911-call-ambulance-Jessa-gave-birth-home-9lb-11oz-boy.html
Her mother Michelle, 49, made the 911 call and can be heard calmly saying: ‘Mother is bleeding after birth. We need her to be checked out.’
When asked how old Jessa is, she struggled to remember but eventually said, ‘She’s 24.' Her daughter is in fact 23.
Hey admin http://mashable.com/2015/11/06/serial-adnan-syed-new-hearing/#S.HBu6W9m05j
Kate is a twit said... 92
Jessa delivered the baby at home but she apparently bleeding heavily and that is why the ambulance was called. The Daily Mail posted the 911 call.
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Do these morons not know how quickly a woman can bleed to death? I tend to agree with others that it was ramped up drama for the cameras.
FlimsyFlamsy, quote of the day. LOL @ SS Famewhore.
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"like oh, everything I say is funny. I must be the funniest dude ever," he says about the yes-people constantly surrounding him. "Only to find out, man, do my jokes suck."
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That's what Prince William says really bothers him too about being a celeb. All the yes men. He said one thing he really loves about his wife is she is blunt with him and never treated him like everything he said or did was amazing. He said he's only interested in friends who call a spade a spade when it comes to him. I can see how the world can be very troubling if no one ever really puts you in your place.
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"like oh, everything I say is funny. I must be the funniest dude ever," he says about the yes-people constantly surrounding him. "Only to find out, man, do my jokes suck."
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That's what Prince William says really bothers him too about being a celeb. All the yes men. He said one thing he really loves about his wife is she is blunt with him and never treated him like everything he said or did was amazing. He said he's only interested in friends who call a spade a spade when it comes to him. I can see how the world can be very troubling if no one ever really puts you in your place.
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This reminds me of one of my nieces. She was in a Atlanta Mall about 17 years ago when she was about 17 or 18 years old and she ran into David Justice, who played for the Atlanta Braves. They were in the food court and they sat down and talked for about an hour, just normal stuff. No flirting, just like old friends and she had never met him before.
When he finally had to go, he thanked her for being grounded NORMAL! No screaming, out of control, acting crazy. He told her that he enjoyed talking to her.
The boy that was kidnapped at 5 years old from Alabama who was found in Cleveland, OH living with his dad said today that he wants to be normal and left alone. No cameras, no spotlight and that he wants his life to go back to last week before the news got out about the situation. His dad has been charged with custody interference in Alabama and they have him on suicide watch in OH.
I wonder if Jill and Derik flew back up from South America to be home and Jill deliver the baby at donators expense? When are the Duggars ever going to learn that they need to be under a licensed ob/gyn to have these children.
Jill shouldn't be helping a momma cat deliver her kittens, much less real human babies.
I was horrified at Michelle running along side the gurney when Josiah? was severely injured. The crazed smile look on her face was insane. And they released him way to early. He should of stayed several more days because they showed him at home on the couch and the kids were running around like howler monkeys and he was still in very bad payin and miserable! I felt so bad for him.
They were filming where he was at it should of been covered by workman's comp insurance. Jim Bob is such a cheap, you know.
This is a horrible tragedy, a young married couple with 4 kids, ages 13 and under. The parents left the kids at home for a while so they could go and get face paint for their faces on Halloween. The parents had a one car accident and they both got killed.
A young Georgia State Trooper was assigned to go the house to inform the family. To his shock when the door opened, there were 4 sweet kids with Halloween costumes on, waiting for their parents to return with the face paint so they could finish getting ready and go out and trick or treat.
What does the trooper do? It is so incredible and brings back faith in humanity and the human spirit and incredible kindness.
There are 2 ways you can give. GoFundMe or a P.O. Box that someone generously went and opened up for 6 months so people could send presents, cards and letters.
Be warned. It is heartbreaking.
https://www.gofundme.com/WreckOnHalloween?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=email&utm_content=cta_button&utm_campaign=upd_n
This is a picture posted on the Seewalds website.
http://www.theseewaldfamily.com/_cache/files/4ee9f08b-d14c-4bd5-99c5-7e5aa2c75df8/img-2304-photogallery.jpg
So Jessa had the baby yesterday, went to the hospital because she she was bleeding, but yet they now post a picture that looks obviously like a photo shoot. The background is a dead give away.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2015/11/06/judge-reopens-serial-case-allowing-adnan-syed-to-introduce-new-evidence/?tid=sm_fb
I know many of you were fans of this.
Kate is a twit said... 108
This is a picture posted on the Seewalds website.
http://www.theseewaldfamily.com/_cache/files/4ee9f08b-d14c-4bd5-99c5-7e5aa2c75df8/img-2304-photogallery.jpg
So Jessa had the baby yesterday, went to the hospital because she she was bleeding, but yet they now post a picture that looks obviously like a photo shoot. The background is a dead give away.
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Jessa bleeding out, has to be rushed to the hospital and within 24 hours puts out a picture with the baby and husband.
She looks weak and she looks like hell. She and the baby could of died! Michelle calmly tells 911 she needs to be seen about. Same attitude as Josiah? when he fell 12 ft.
The cat is out of the bag now!
Ya'll might redneckize who will be on the show!
Look who is on the new season of Marriage Boot Camp!
https://www.facebook.com/MarriageBootCamp/
I looked at the Jill & Jessa: Counting On FB page and this is the latest post. TLC and the Duggars are milking this for all it is worth.
Jill & Jessa: Counting On
"Tune in to TLC during the 9PM ET hour to see the first Seewald family photo! #BabySeewald"
Josiah's ex-courting girl is writing a book. I wonder if she will write anything about her experience with Josiah.
http://www.inquisitr.com/2547468/josiah-duggars-ex-marjorie-jackson-writing/
Honestly after comparing the duggar facebook to Kate's,Im some what shocked as to how the duggars seem to get more support then Kate.One of the duggars posts actually got over 100,000 likes where as i've haven't seen one Kate FB post get at least over 10,000 and even get less.Don't get me wrong,they're both bad but i would've thought more people would of support Kate since most are unaware of her abuse where as more seem to know bout the duggars lies.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 49m49 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Lites Out Man rarely orders online...but decided 2order socks! He thought he was getting 6pair..he got 6pks w/10pair ea pack!
Uh, wouldn't you notice this when you checked out? Isn't it obvious that six packs of socks would be considerably more expensive than one pack of six socks? How much did this goofer think he was paying for six socks and wouldn't he think that what they charged him was really expensive for only six socks?
The Duggars and the new baby...this addiction to fame and social media really is a sickness with them. There is nothing that will make them go away. Nothing.
redbird -- Josiah didn't fall into the pit. It was Jason. Michelle couldn't wait to get a video of that.
So Jessa had the baby yesterday, went to the hospital because she she was bleeding, but yet they now post a picture that looks obviously like a photo shoot. The background is a dead give away.
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Some hospitals are now doing a family photo shoot with newborns, trying to make it a family-friendly experience instead of just taking a picture of the baby. They use backdrops similar to this. I have no idea if that's common in the hospital where she gave birth. The two of them were prepared for it, though, with color-coordinated tops!
I don't think she looks bad for having just given birth!
redbird said... 111
The cat is out of the bag now!
Ya'll might redneckize who will be on the show!
Look who is on the new season of Marriage Boot Camp!
https://www.facebook.com/MarriageBootCamp/
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Ugghhhh
Kate is a twit said... 108
So Jessa had the baby yesterday, went to the hospital because she she was bleeding, but yet they now post a picture that looks obviously like a photo shoot.
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Smile Jessa. Smile nice. Never mind the hemorrhaging.
Jesus H. Christ I hate reality tv.
Susie Cincinnati said... 115
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 49m49 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Lites Out Man rarely orders online...but decided 2order socks! He thought he was getting 6pair..he got 6pks w/10pair ea pack!
Uh, wouldn't you notice this when you checked out? Isn't it obvious that six packs of socks would be considerably more expensive than one pack of six socks? How much did this goofer think he was paying for six socks and wouldn't he think that what they charged him was really expensive for only six socks?
The Duggars and the new baby...this addiction to fame and social media really is a sickness with them. There is nothing that will make them go away. Nothing.
redbird -- Josiah didn't fall into the pit. It was Jason. Michelle couldn't wait to get a video of that.
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I thought it was Josiah and I put a ? mark with it. Thanks for the correction! :)
Count me in as skeptical of this 911 emergency too. Any good midwife should have pitocin shots in her kit to help with postpartum bleeding and can deal with the situation in much the same manner a hospital would. Unless this was some hack uncertified midwife from the church with just witchhazel tea and a prayer team or something.
And, even if an emergency was developing, usually you have plenty of notice (because you're not being an idiot midwife and are paying close attention) and could have transported her in the family car before things got serious. Even though home birth still isn't recommended by most doctors, true 911 emergencies are still exceedingly rare. Yeah, I'm gonna call BS on that.
Some hospitals are now doing a family photo shoot with newborns, trying to make it a family-friendly experience instead of just taking a picture of the baby
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It looked like they just hung a sheet up in the background. Lol!
Our dogs chooses where she will sleep. Some nights she is in bed with us. Some nights she wants to be in her own bed which is in a corner of our bedroom. Sometimes she changes her mind in the middle of the night. Yes, my sleep is interrupted.
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Hehe, my prince does that, although is almost always UNDER the bed covers by the time the wee hours are here!
Hey admin http://mashable.com/2015/11/06/serial-adnan-syed-new-hearing/#S.HBu6W9m05j
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This is huge.
When asked how old Jessa is, she struggled to remember but eventually said, ‘She’s 24.' Her daughter is in fact 23.
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You know what, I'm going to say it. I think Michelle could be a sociopath.
Hehe, my prince does that, although is almost always UNDER the bed covers by the time the wee hours are here!
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I didn't know that Anderson sleeps at your house! Bombshell tonight!
Were Boobster and Babyspeak ever "normal?" I mean, before they were fed the Kult Kool-Aid?
"And, even if an emergency was developing, usually you have plenty of notice (because you're not being an idiot midwife and are paying close attention) and could have transported her in the family car before things got serious."
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Not to get too graphic here, but with one of mine there was no warning with the bleeding. Everything had progressed normally with no complications. It was a textbook delivery. However, just minutes after the baby was delivered and the obstetrician was checking things out, I became a spraying geyser. I mean the blood just came coming, so much, in fact, that he had to jump back and get out of the way. The look on his face is one that I'll never forget. Thank goodness there was a doctor there and not a midwife. I really doubt that a midwife would have known what to do and how fast to act.
With the Duggars, though, I wouldn't believe anything that they put out there. We're not all sheeple with wool covering our eyes and ears.
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Hey admin http://mashable.com/2015/11/06/serial-adnan-syed-new-hearing/#S.HBu6W9m05j
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This is huge.
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I've been listening to Undisclosed, a podcast that has shredded the prosecutions case. I am pretty sure that the evidence that is being presented was a result of a Brady violation. The violation is that the defense did not provide a cover letter from AT&T that specified that that outgoing calls locations could not be a accurately derived from cel pings. That was pretty much the only physical evidence tying Adnan to the timeline presented by tea prosecution. An alternative basis is that, if it was provided to the defense, she failed to present it which may qualify for a ruling that his defense was incompetent. The attorney has since died, and had been disbarred due to questionable billing practices and failure to provide contracted services.
(Leslie)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3307800/Mom-bleeding-heavily-Michelle-Duggar-s-911-call-ambulance-Jessa-gave-birth-home-9lb-11oz-boy.html
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These people are idiots for giving home births. One time it is not going to turn out so well. I think they did this so they can film it.
(Leslie)
Oh, and they are not releasing the infant's name. You know, they have to milk it in the media and stretch out the suspense all they can. It will bring in bigger ratings and more money.
Ooh, another deposition for Bill Cosby. Shirley, of Laverne and Shirley is ordered to be deposed too.
Cosby, give it up.
Sorry, forgot the link.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/02/us/bill-cosby-deposition/?iid=ob_homepage_deskrecommended_pool&iref=obnetwork
Oh! I misspelled the HBB catch phrase!
Did you see Sugar Bear poising in that photo shoot?!!!
UGH!!!!
I read somewhere (don't want to give them any clicks) that TLC
announced the birth and welcomed Baby Seewald into the TLC
"family." If the poor little dude hears that, he'll probably want to
crawl back in where he came from.
I don't think I've ever had less respect for TLC, which is saying
a lot. After the molestation story came out, they feigned horror
at finding out what happened to these young girls. But they
themselves are essentially exploiting their bodies by making
their pregnancies/births into episodes. We're not talking about
covering an appendectomy. Labor and childbirth puts a woman
in an incredibly vulnerable position -- literally and figuratively.
And I suspect women who were sexually molested as children
might have an especially challenging time with it. So to gleefully capitalize on it by turning it into a potential ratings extravaganza?
I find the hypocrisy mind-boggling. That said, these are grown
folks signing on the dotted line to allow this. Again, what a world.
Not to get too graphic here, but with one of mine there was no warning with the bleeding
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Yep sometimes there's no warning and it's good to be in a hospital for that. But despite recommendations that a hospital is best, the vast majority of home births go just fine especially for a young healthy woman like her, and a sudden emergency is not very common, which is why my smell test for this 911 "emergency" is setting off all kinds of alarm bells. Sure, she could have been that once in a while case where a sudden emergency happened. Or they cooked this all up for ratings. I don't trust this family an inch.
I've been listening to Undisclosed, a podcast that has shredded the prosecutions case. I am pretty sure that the evidence that is being presented was a result of a Brady violation. The violation is that the defense did not provide a cover letter from AT&T that specified that that outgoing calls locations could not be a accurately derived from cel pings.
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I think you mean the prosecution. The defense doesn't have to follow Brady. It does sound like the cell phone evidence was corrupt, and I agree with re-opening to address that issue.
I still think he's guilty. I find the evidence with Nisha and Jay compelling. I think he's been caught in a whole host of other lies that suggest guilt. But I'm keeping an open mind as he works his way through his appeals.
Admin (#133), I don't trust them about anything either. All that
holier-than-thou stuff can sure come back and bite you on the
behind!
What is cobbled together for an episode won't be proof of
anything either. We know scenes are staged, we know actions
are repeated, we know dialogue is rehearsed. I remember
when Jon casually mentioned being upset that he had to keep
his goatee for continuity, long after he'd wanted to shave it.
Who has to worry about "continuity" regarding their personal
grooming habits? Someone with a contract who is a slave
to a TV network.
Not to get too graphic here, but with one of mine there was no warning with the bleeding
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Jeez, thank God you're OK! How frightening.
I don't remember her being overly concerned with her child fell 12 feet into the orchestra pit. Her first thought was to grab the cell phone to film it.
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Your memory was correct. She had an oddly flat affect. People have died from much shorter falls. That episode terrified me and I didn't even know the little boy's name. It could have turned out so tragically.
What is cobbled together for an episode won't be proof of
anything either.
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Exactly. There's always going to be bleeding after giving birth. The question is whether it's an emergency or just normal blood loss. They could have called 911, reported the blood, transported her to the hospital--and it all could have been completely unnecessary and dramatized.
The hospital is not going to scold them for coming in for a non-emergency when it comes to childbirth. They'll just be relieved to see a new mother and baby in the hospital, dire emergency or not.
Someone posted a link a while back, when Jill Duh-ger posed her "midwife exam", to a blog by an ob-gyn who was exposing the type of minimal midwifery training she had as being much, much less than most states require, and very dangerous because of lack of training. I got the impression that they would have zero medications, because the last midwife certification is so minimal.
So I could accept that there a legit 911 call.
I also realize the family willingness to do anything for ratings and could easily see them making a 911 call when it didn't really need to be done.
Sharing personal experience, when dd had her child, she did fine with delivery but after the placenta was delivered she had heavy bleeding. Of course she was in a hospital with iv access already and pitocin went in immediately and we wouldn't even have noticed except for her ob telling her what was going on.
The attorney has since died, and had been disbarred due to questionable billing practices and failure to provide contracted services.
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God rest her soul, but listening to that woman made my ears bleed!
Great explanation of the facts, thanks!
I wonder if they had one of those farm midwives who isn't even authorized to stick a syringe in her patient's leg when she's bleeding out. A non-emergency can become an emergency if your midwife can't give you the right drugs for it. A lot of midwives have medical kits with just about everything your doctor has. Just about the only thing they can't do at home is surgery. So assuming you're NOT going to need surgery, your home birth is just as safe as the hospital if your midwife is well trained and has that kit. If not safer, because you're unlikely to be exposed to hospital-borne illnesses like staph.
A big reason women hardly ever die in childbirth anymore is because a simple miracle shot---pitocin. But if your midwife isn't able to give you that, doesn't have the tools a doctor would....suddenly we go back to death rates from 1880.
God rest her soul, but listening to that woman made my ears bleed!
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Oh my Lanta.
We discussed this when first listening to the podcast last year. Her style is terribly ineffective. You have to remember a jury is listening to this day after day, and as much as a jury should look at just the facts and not be influenced by an attorney's voice or demeanor, they're human. If a lawyer is an obnoxious fluttering twit, it can subconsciously influence the jury.
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2015/11/07/jessa-seewalds-secret-hospital-stay-mi
911 call in this article.
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2015/11/07/jessa-seewalds-secret-hospital-stay-mi
Michelle sounds like a sociopath in that 911 call......I swear. Why is she being so unhelpful and non-specific to the operator? She sounds like a 12 year old making a call.
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 145
Michelle sounds like a sociopath in that 911 call......I swear. Why is she being so unhelpful and non-specific to the operator? She sounds like a 12 year old making a call.
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Because TLC/People Magazine have all the rights. Can't let the cat out of the bag before the show airs or the cover photos are shot.
Found it! The Skeptical OB blog, that points out the lack of training and risks of using a lay midwife as opposed to a nurse midwife with a college education and extensive training in and out of hospitals.
http://www.skepticalob.com/2015/09/jill-duggar-dillard-is-not-a-real-midwife-shes-a-cpm-a-counterfeit-professional-midwife.html
Thanks for the kind advice. Yes, Tucker's was delieverd unkindly, but I am not surprised. Ladies, I have always crated my dogs away from us. 5 dogs in, with healthy, well adjusted pets. There crate is their home, their quite place. I say night-night, and off they go.
I personally don't believe in pee pads. The vet does not recommend them either. That is just my philosopshy. Others swear by them. Your choice.
I will try a small radio and last night I heated up a towel in the dryer and we had no crying after putting her to bed. That was exciting!
I have divided the crate. Doesn't seem to matter. She pooped again last night.
I understand there are different thoughts on here. I personally don't agree with a dog on my bedroom. When she gets older, she will have free reign in the house.
I am hesitant to post anymore about her training. I cringe when posters get called out, and I certainly don't like it when other posters pile on.
I think I will find a puppy blog.
The more I think about the ending of the SVU episode, the more I think they missed the mark. That mother rising to her daughter's defense would never happen in the Duggar world.
If TLC and their fans are so obsessed with looking at other people's babies, why don't they focus on stories like this?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/these-awesome-nicu-nurses-made-halloween-costumes-for-their-preemie-patients_563cbf14e4b0307f2cad1348?utm_hp_ref=parents&ir=Parents§ion=parents
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2015/11/07/jessa-seewalds-secret-hospital-stay-mi
Holy shit, Michelle, are you ordering a Big Mac or is your daughter bleeding after giving birth?
God bless the 911 operator for actually figuring out what this baby-talking woman is saying.
Gawd, TLC must be high-5'ing each other. Cue the violin strings!
"A Baby Emergency! Will They Live?"
Man, this is going to eclipse "Gosselin Pukefest".
One of the Duggars said something like, "We're not a TV family.
We're just a family who's on TV." Cut to them negotiating a deal
for who will pay the most to reveal the baby's name for the first time.
I actually think this family is even more "Teflon-ish" than TFW.
They ain't goin' anywhere.
Why don't you agree with a dog in your bedroom? He doesn't have to be in bed with you, just in the crate.
They're pack animals, and some of them really have a strong instinct to sleep with the pack. Yours does. Out of compassion for him so he doesn't have to sleep in his own poo, please bend the rules a little.
As to the emergency call for an ambulance, I think it depends on where you live. Where I live the hospital really wants you to call for emergency transportation for any bleeding that isn't minor.
The ambulance does not just transport the patient they assess the seriousness of the condition, administer treatments and take all vital signs, history and report how the incident happened. This takes a lot of burden off the ER staff. As far as bleeding it can go from minor to life threatening in a matter of minutes. An ambulance is the way to save lives.
As far as the name of the baby one online site says the letters "J", "M", and "I" are already taken so they suggest Jessa should go with "P" and name the kid People Magazine. LOL LOL I guess they think the Duggars are publicity seekers too.
Labradoodle Mom said... 64
Hi there. I would get your dog checked for Giardia. Talk to your vet about this. All it takes is a stool sample. It's not something they check for during a routine exam. Our puppy had Giardia. If not taken care of, the dog can die. The symptoms sounds the same as what your dog is experiencing.
I actually think this family is even more "Teflon-ish" than TFW.
They ain't goin' anywhere.
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Yup, they're all just "runnin' in and out of the frame".
Definitely a turd that just won't flush...yet.
re dogs: we foster dogs for a breed specific rescue group. Our dogs sleep in the bed. The fosters sleep in crates. The crates are not in the bedroom, instead the crates are next to the kitchen and living room, so the dogs can get in their space but be close.
When we have had puppies, a good strategy is to cuddle the puppy in bed or lying on the couch until the puppy is asleep, then put the puppy in the crate.
Here is another interesting post from the Skeptical OB blog.
http://www.skepticalob.com/2015/10/abby-reichardt-of-the-florida-school-of-traditional-midwifery-demonstrates-the-arrogant-ignorance-of-homebirth-midwives.html
Hi there. I would get your dog checked for Giardia. Talk to your vet about this. All it takes is a stool sample. It's not something they check for during a routine exam. Our puppy had Giardia. If not taken care of, the dog can die. The symptoms sounds the same as what your dog is experiencing.
November 7, 2015 at 9:06 AM
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Wow, good pick up there. My beardie had this once. Not good! He got it from boarding that had a little doggie pool.
When we have had puppies, a good strategy is to cuddle the puppy in bed or lying on the couch until the puppy is asleep, then put the puppy in the crate.
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Rock a by baby, on the tree top.... ;-)
P.J. said... 149
The more I think about the ending of the SVU episode, the more I think they missed the mark. That mother rising to her daughter's defense would never happen in the Duggar world.
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I absolutely agree. Wish we had a thumbs-up button!
It could be a medical issue but I really would just try letting the poor thing sleep with his human pack first before resorting to spending big bucks at the vet on what is likely just a pack issue. Give it two nights in his crate, right next to the bed, within eyesight of his sleeping owners, with a good ten to twenty minutes outside just before bed to poop and pee. If he's still pooping, call the vet.
Labra Mom (148):
"I am hesitant to post anymore about her training. I cringe when posters get called out, and I certainly don't like it when other posters pile on.
I think I will find a puppy blog"
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That is a good idea.
That might be best in your situation and perhaps you can find the answer there. You asked for advice and some took their time to post it and you didn't get a solution to the pooping problem. Perhaps on a dog blog you can find something that will be more in line with your thinking.
However, if you think the puppy is barking all night and you allow it to go on, that doesn't sit well with most dog lovers and you may find that out on any blog. I don't believe that under any circumstances a puppy should be ignored if he/she is barking throughout the night. It just strikes me as being cruel to allow that to go on.
If you don't want to crate in your bedroom, then at least find a place close by where the dog still will be a part of the family. There is no reason a puppy should be separated far from the family. One might have raised ten puppies and house-trained them that way, but not all puppies are the same. This one may be very different and may feel insecure for some reason. If you think the dog is barking at night but you don't hear it because the dog is far away and you sleep with noise, then how do you know when the dog barks because it needs to go out? I have always gotten up at night (sometimes several times) to take the dogs outside. They bark because they need to go out.
You said that you don't agree with having the puppy in the bedroom, but that eventually she will have run of the house. Does that include the bedroom? If so, then I don't understand why then and not now. Perhaps I have missed some of this story. At any rate, the key is love and patience.
I was told once by a seasoned dog breeder/groomer who raised and showed championship dogs that if the puppy pees and poops in the crate, then the crate is too large. Personally, I would not divide a crate because the dog will come to know that half is for doing her business and the other half is for sleeping. You don't want that. I never crated dogs for house-training, so I really don't know, but it does make sense. We do use puppy pads here when the weather is really bad during the winter (ice and snow) and the dogs refuse to go out. The pads really work well during those times.
P.J. said... 149
The more I think about the ending of the SVU episode, the more I think they missed the mark. That mother rising to her daughter's defense would never happen in the Duggar world.
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As I watched the show, I was pleased to see SVU hit the mark on many current issues with children in reality tv, but I felt a wave of sadness wash over me at the rainbows and lollipops ending. This was the outcome we would wish for the Duggar girls, but we all know that will never, could never happen.
Give it two nights in his crate, right next to the bed, within eyesight of his sleeping owners, with a good ten to twenty minutes outside just before bed to poop and pee. If he's still pooping, call the vet.
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Admin, she said she doesn't want the dog in the bedroom, so I don't think that would be the answer in that situation. I know some people in the "dog world" who swear by "matching" which means getting the dog to poop, either first thing in the morning or right before bed. I'd never use this method, but they use it with success. It always seemed cruel to me.
http://tythedogguy.com/2015/02/18/potty-training-with-the-matchstick-trick/
If TLC and their fans are so obsessed with looking at other people's babies, why don't they focus on stories like this?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/these-awesome-nicu-nurses-made-halloween-costumes-for-their-preemie-patients_563cbf14e4b0307f2cad1348?utm_hp_ref=parents&ir=Parents§ion=parents
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Because it lacks the trainwreck/rubber necking factor and no voyeurism is involved. It would never sell. It's too "normal."
Did anyone think it was odd that the character that played Josh on Law and Order SVU that his name was Hunter?
It made me think of hunting like a predator. And that is exactly what
Josh Duggar is. A predator.
Give it two nights in his crate, right next to the bed, within eyesight of his sleeping owners, with a good ten to twenty minutes outside just before bed to poop and pee. If he's still pooping, call the vet.
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Didn't she already take the dog to the vet and was told that this, too, will pass? (no pun intended)...
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 145
Michelle sounds like a sociopath in that 911 call......I swear.
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lol! Ya think? She sounded like she was ordering pizza but couldn't decide what toppings she wanted. Batshit cray cray.
I don't expect Michelle to panic and scare her daughter, but I expected a little more emotion!
"Something like Hello my name is Michelle Duggar and my daughter Jessa (or whatever, I lose track) has just had a home birth and lost a lot of blood. She's not bleeding now but it was a lot and we really need an ambulance here right away to transport to the hospital. My address is: XXXX. Here are her vital signs: XXX. What else can we do for her in the meantime?"
I also thought it was totally strange the way she referred to her daughter as "the mother." WTF!
Admin, she said she doesn't want the dog in the bedroom, so I don't think that would be the answer in that situation. I
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Unfortunately it very likely is the answer. Unfortunately, for an unexplained reason, she doesn't want to do what the dog may very well clearly need. You ask for advice then refuse to do what the vast majority of folks suggested. Shrug.
I also thought it was totally strange the way she referred to her daughter as "the mother." WTF!
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'The baby is wooonderful' sounded odd, too in that squeaky voice of hers. Like she was just gazing into the little moneymaker's eyes all wrapped up in his brown towel trying to decide what would be the best way to market him.
Poor 911 operator probably went home after her shift and poured herself a stiff drink.
As I watched the show, I was pleased to see SVU hit the mark on many current issues with children in reality tv, but I felt a wave of sadness wash over me at the rainbows and lollipops ending. This was the outcome we would wish for the Duggar girls, but we all know that will never, could never happen.
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That episode was so well done I have to wonder if they were being intentionally ironic with the ending. I'm sure they know full well this is not how these things usually turn out.
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Did anyone think it was odd that the character that played Josh on Law and Order SVU that his name was Hunter?
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Wow. That was the catch of the year. Well done! I totally agree, that was no accident.
That episode was so well done I have to wonder if they were being intentionally ironic with the ending. I'm sure they know full well this is not how these things usually turn out. 172
I also that it was intentional.
Think it was intentional.
Whenever we brought home a new puppy, I learned to expect the unexpected. It wasn't one size fits all. Our little Bedlington, Anastasia, was stubborn and defiant when it came to house training. I wondered if she was deliberately being so just to tick us off. With kindness and patience, she eventually came around and became the love of our lives. She ruled the house, and when it was time to go to sleep, she told us so by taking her place on our bed. We lost her last year to kidney failure. She was such a joy, so protective of the kids, and there is not a day goes by that I don't think about her and miss her.
redbird said... 166
Did anyone think it was odd that the character that played Josh on Law and Order SVU that his name was Hunter?
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Nope. Because he was named Graham.
Warmth of the Sun (#146), thanks for sharing about your sweet
dog Anastasia. It sounds like she was a very special part of
your family.
Poor 911 operator probably went home after her shift and poured herself a stiff drink.
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I wonder if Michelle went home after her baby delivery shift and found The Boobers waiting for her with something else that was stiff. Sorry, her diatribe about women always submitting to their husbands, come hell or high water or complete exhaustion, still has my head spinning. There is something seriously wrong with that woman.
Paul Peterson had this link on his Facebook.
Last night, MasterChef Jr. came on and I really wasn't paying attention to it because I was on the computer but what got my attention was the flames from a pan that a small child was trying to control! And no adult was seen in the frame to help. I am hoping there was a crew member there ready with a fire extinguisher. I turned the channel, I couldn't watch it.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/11/06/are-reality-tv-shows-dangerous-for-kids/
OT: Last night on Inside Edition, I think, they showed a video of a young mother who was video taping (while spoon feeding) her baby in a bouncy seat. All of a sudden she heard something and she turned around with the camera and it clearly showed (no blurring) her 3 year old with the window blind cord on his neck and he was leaning forward and he looked dead. It was so horrible. She jumped up and grabbed him while the phone went flying. I was so upset about that. I remember years ago they were telling people to take a pair of scissors and cut the loop on those cords or buy blind that does not have them.
Last night, MasterChef Jr. came on and I really wasn't paying attention to it because I was on the computer but what got my attention was the flames from a pan that a small child was trying to control! And no adult was seen in the frame to help. I am hoping there was a crew member there ready with a fire extinguisher. I turned the channel, I couldn't watch it.
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I didn't see that show, but I have watched Chopped with kids when there have been similar incidents. There is always someone watching, whether it's the host or the judges and they seem to be on top of it. In fact, in a recent show, a youngster couldn't lift the pot of scalding hot water, yelled for Ted to help and he was there in a flash. If they needed something out of reach for them, they asked for help rather than to risk a fall. Whenever they need help with something, it seems like he or a crew member is right there.
Sherry Baby said... 179
Poor 911 operator probably went home after her shift and poured herself a stiff drink.
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I wonder if Michelle went home after her baby delivery shift and found The Boobers waiting for her with something else that was stiff. Sorry, her diatribe about women always submitting to their husbands, come hell or high water or complete exhaustion, still has my head spinning. There is something seriously wrong with that woman.
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Sheri Baby with your comment about what Ma Duggar has waiting at home and AuntieAnn's having to pour a stiff drink was the combination of these posts that made me think of Rod Stewart's song,
Tonight's the Night!
Kick off your crocs
And sit right down
Loosen up that
pretty green baby gown
Let me pour ya
A good long milkshake
Oh, BabySpeak
Don'tcha Hesitate!
I know it is bad, I had to make it rhyme, but that 911 call. Unbelievable.
I was looking around on the Brad's Deals site and thought about Kate scouring the internet for savings and coupons. Whatever happened with that? Did she ever explain the abandonment? It seems like one minute Milo was hawking the site, giddy with excitement over finding pants or socks or something and the next minute...nothing.
SVU Patrimonial Burden is coming on Bravo (Canadian Bravo) in a few minutes in case anyone else up here hasn't watched it yet.
Now I'll be able to see what you all have been discussing here.
BTW, the SVU episode pissed me off in that they sent the son to a Christian Camp in Canada? WTF?
Redbird before you jump to conclusions watch the entire show. Like Sheepless, I've watched many of the cooking competitions with kids and there are always adults present and eyes are on the kids at all times. Kids have cut themselves with knives and there was always a medic there pronto. And whether it's Chopped, Master Chef Jr or Rachel Vs Guy kids competition, the judges are all very kind and considerate of the kids feelings.
Lynne... 162. Agree with your post. Well said.
Leaving a puppy to cry all night seems mean. And then to not check on him, so you self admittedly have no idea if the poor thing is barking all night or not.
I don't know....seems like a puppy might not be the right thing for that family right now. Or at least that puppy isn't.
Could the puppy be crated at least in the doorway of the bedroom for now? So it didn't feel so alone? Leave the bedroom door open, and the crate in the hall?
Maybe it really does need to go out more than once at night while it's still little. Annoying, but that's how it is for the first couple of months with a puppy.
Says the lady who fed her sick cat every hour around the clock, with a syringe and warmed up special cat food for weeks, until it got better.
If you're not willing to meet its needs, and are willing to let it bark all night without checking on it....sounds like this puppy isn't the right one for you.
I'm thinking changing to a puppy blog isn't going to help....they're pretty passionate about their dogs and doing whatever it takes to make them comfortable in their home.
Good luck with the puppy,op...I hope it gets better soon. For the dog's sake as well as yours.
P.J. said... 186
BTW, the SVU episode pissed me off in that they sent the son to a Christian Camp in Canada? WTF?
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Payback for all trouble the Biebs causes in the U.S.?
Labradoodle Mom,
I have had Labradoodles for 10 years. labradoodles were originally bred in Australia as companion and service dogs. I don't think that your method of training in which the dog is isolated at night fits with this breed. Labradoodles need to be with their families as much as possible., and that is possibly a big part of the anxiety she is experiencing. There are many breeds of dogs that are more independent than Labradoodles. By and large, they are very easy to train, and I know many who have used crate training. I participate in a large local doodle meetup group, and I have never known anyone who separates their dog from the family. bY and large, I think that this speaks to the kind of person that gravitates to the breed. Most of us are willing to adapt to our dogs needs, because they reward us with complete and utter devotion. It doesn't sound like this breed is a good match for you, and perhaps your doodle would be happier elsewhere. I don't mean this to be judgemental. One of my dogs was a rehome, because the family could not be available to him in the way that he needed. I don't judge them--I think they made a difficult decision because it was in the dog's best interest.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
For you bird lovers there! Be glad you didn't have 2do this Xs 8 at feeding time Kate! :) https://t.co/xemichN22v @Kateplusmy8
Here comes Milo with another bird picture, making it about Kate. Hey, Milo, you moron. This bird is not feeding a baby bird. It looks to me like two birds, possibly the parents, are helping a baby bird in distress. The baby could have fallen from the nest. It is not, however, mid-air feeding time.
I guess when Graham isn't cured of his mistakes we can just blame Canada.
Payback for all trouble the Biebs causes in the U.S.?
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Don't you want him back? It would be a lovely Christmas gift from your country to our country!
Ex-Nurse (190)...
The poster said that she has had quite a few other dogs, but I don't know if they were all Labradoodles. If so, she's had experience with them; if not, then perhaps she is unfamiliar with the closeness that this breed needs. I agree that this dog does not want to be separated from the family, and especially not at night,
Ass-istant to Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 192
I guess when Graham isn't cured of his mistakes we can just blame Canada.
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Graham can just start his second life away from the cult as Hunter. Then he can kill Kenny.
Don't you want him back?
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No thank you :)
I still say he and Kate should go live their own island. And they can take 'Graham' with them.
Here comes Milo with another bird picture, making it about Kate.
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Can't she see that it's mama birdie Kate yanking baby birdie Collin up by his beak and tossing him into its nest. The birdie on the bottom is a birdie protection agent trying to save baby birdie Collin from mama birdie Kate.
I guess when Graham isn't cured of his mistakes we can just blame Canada.
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Whew! Jon Gosselin will be so relieved to be off the hook for this one! ;)
TFW really needs to up her game.
We've spent months talking about everything BUT her....Mama
June, the awful Duggars, Jon, dogs, Trump, Hilary, the election debates, the Duggars some more....
I watched Donald Trump hosting Saturday Night Live. It was pretty good. Sia was the musical guest. I like her music, but the gigantic Weiss and hair boss and person doing interpretive dance is just plain strange.
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