Did anyone else notice , when the deck was finished, Kate voiced over that she invited FAMILY & Friends over to celebrate. With the word " family"..they showed an Asian woman holding a small Asian child , which Kate kissed on the forehead...wonder if they were related to Jon ?
Yesterday I was been out on our balcony sweeping snow and ice off it. If the surface scratches, you have to sweep snow off instead of shovel, and that is even more work than shoveling.
But that won't bother Kate. didn't she use a shovel to clear snow off one of her cars?
And you bring up another big drawback of a second story or higher deck. Maintenance. With a first floor deck you can let things go until they break and it's not a big deal to fix it when you get to ti.
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I am sure that if there are any problems with the deck, Mr. Deck Man will be there is a flash to make any repairs for his doll-baby, lesbian or non-lesbian.
"they showed an Asian woman holding a small Asian child , which Kate kissed on the forehead...wonder if they were related to Jon?"
I just can't believe she would let Jon's family on her property. I assumed they were associated with the school, TLC, or maybe work for Kate somehow. Kate showing she has friends seems fake to me.
Jamesvader1194 said... 4 KIAT As long as Goody is not DM about another Bullyville kinda person to hire again.Im not sure we or the critics on twitter should worry about it. ==========
Oh, I'm not worried about. I just found it funny that Goody said she received an email from Kate and replied to her, and then Kate gets on twitter all flustered because she either doesn't remember sending it or did not send it.
Like I said, I wonder if it was a joke between Milo and Goody to make Kate look like she emails her fans(yeah right) and Kate wasn't let it on the joke.
Here's the thing. Berks County is totally hilly. I can drive around and see lots of 2nd floor decks. So many houses are built on a hill with a walk-out basement. I don't hear about lots of accidents. Most of them are much more modest houses with modest decks (plain decks with no outdoor kitchen). These houses do not have pools. They only have one staircase not two. I've never seen a house with a second floor door to no where.
I think our main problem is we know Kate's reputation. Does she know the weight limit for the deck and how much snow is too much? Does she know that the furniture has to be put away or tied down in bad storms? Does she supervise her children?
This deck appears to be greed for the sake of greed. Give me more, more, more. It seems to have no point beyond I want. And I believe she uses these projects to get income without getting income. TLC gives her the deck and pays the taxes on the "income" and the kids get zip. She likely assumes she'll be able to sell the house for lots of extra bucks when the kids move out but it will be horribly overpriced for the area and an impractical house.
I think our main problem is we know Kate's reputation. Does she know the weight limit for the deck and how much snow is too much? Does she know that the furniture has to be put away or tied down in bad storms? Does she supervise her children?
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Absolutely. And that's the point. Do I trust responsible deck owner, like the poster here who decided to lock the because there were little children about? Of course. I don't have the first fear an accident would happen if people are being responsible.
But do I trust irresponsible deck owners who time and time again don't keep a good watch on their kids (one example of dozens, the kids driving the four wheeler and Kate not knowing) and time and time again don't understand and suck at maintenance? Absolutely not. And Kate's in that category, there's no getting around it. I hope she never has any problems or accidents on that deck, I really do.
Seems like a lickspittle on Twitter is narcing on fake Instagram accounts that probably belong to the twins. Shouldn't Kate's computer genius "manager" be on top of this stuff?
Did she also score a new grill? The one shown at 38:01 looks nothing like the grill in this picture(which she tweeted back in 2012).
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Of course she did! She now has TWO grills (don't all scrimping and saving, piecing and patching single moms? and all of us for that matter!?).
She now has one brand new grill on the new deck and one downstairs on the patio (underneath the new deck - the new deck was built on top of the roof above the old patio). So, double (or triple or more?) of everything in that house. SMH Because she's lazy and she's greedy.
It's a beautiful deck, and I'm sure that anyone would be happy to have one like that, but I wonder how much use she will get out of it, or is it just to impress for the sake of impressing? Oh, that's right. It's for well-being and health. Got it.
If she is serious about entertaining, she should have opted for an area near the pool. She could have built a multi-level deck there, anchored by a large gazebo where she could have put a sizeable table, comfortable chairs. It would provide shade for adults who don't want to be in the sun, but want to be in close proximity to the pool, either for themselves or to supervise their kids. The deck could contain more tables, umbrellas, lounge chairs, storage benches and the grill. That way, with everyone congregating around the pool, it would be a great area for entertaining. When you have summer parties, you want to be near the pool, on that level...that's the purpose of having a pool and entertaining there. She certainly has enough land to built additional structures by the pool.
But that's just me. Perhaps that will be her next construction project... TWO decks, an upper deck for adults and one for kids by the pool. Then again, she'd have to walk to the pool deck/gazebo with the food, or she could just have the parties catered and not have to do anything.
Where is she going to store those pillows, blankets and cushions? Will the children have to carry those things (and possibly chairs) downstairs to the unfinished basement? Enclosed storage space was not mentioned in the reviews I read. If the deck faces north she can get by without covering it from the sun, but it will need protection from rain and snow.
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She bought covers for everything.
I guess she plans on covering and uncovering everything every time she plans on using the deck. I bet she tires veryyyy quickly doing that every time. Or, I should say, the kids will tire of doing that every time for her - if she lets them touch anything out there. During the winter I'm sure the kids will be tasked with schlepping everything to either the garage or the basement.
I think her control issues are getting worse rather than better now that the kids are older and more capable of helping or doing things themselves. She wouldn't let the kids wipe up a spill on the deck - she had to do it, screeching and almost pushing them away, saying 'only me' when one of the kids offered. She made the sign for their lemonade stand. Tell me what kid doesn't love and take pride in making signs? But, she butted right in and did it.
This deck appears to be greed for the sake of greed. Give me more, more, more. It seems to have no point beyond I want. And I believe she uses these projects to get income without getting income. TLC gives her the deck and pays the taxes on the "income" and the kids get zip. She likely assumes she'll be able to sell the house for lots of extra bucks when the kids move out but it will be horribly overpriced for the area and an impractical house. ****** You have a good point that explains why Kate is waxing on about how the deck benefits the kids. She gets home improvements and they get diddly squat, or 1/8 of diddly squat. I'm sure Kate will jack up the price of that house when she sells, and she will sell it. I can't see it being her forever home. It's ridiculous to live there alone. Kate will up the price of the home to reflect the cost of all those filmed additions, but that's just not how it works. I think she's actually decreased the value with some of it. Have fun getting the snow off that deck.
Oh, that's right. It's for well-being and health. Got it. ***** Does is strike anyone else that's the same verbiage that applies to how Kate can dip into the kids' earnings to support them?
When you have summer parties, you want to be near the pool, on that level...that's the purpose of having a pool and entertaining there. She certainly has enough land to built additional structures by the pool. ***** That deck is going to be hot as shit in the summer. Even with umbrellas, the reflected heat from the decking is going to be sweltering.
She now has one brand new grill on the new deck and one downstairs on the patio (underneath the new deck - the new deck was built on top of the roof above the old patio). So, double (or triple or more?) of everything in that house. SMH Because she's lazy and she's greedy.
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When you piece and patch, you can have two of everything. And yet the fans believe that she's still a poor, struggling mom of eight and that Jon is dead. They will never understand her greed and self-entitlement and that most people would be thrilled to have just a fraction of what she has, and yet she still wants more and will never be satisfied.
Tucker's Mom (#17), yes, like when she pays for the monthly spa visits because Beth told her it would make her a better mommy.
She mentioned the twins ordering some LexLos merchandise the other day. Does she pay for that out of their bank accounts or hers? And do the boys ever get such "just because" treats?
Kate will up the price of the home to reflect the cost of all those filmed additions, but that's just not how it works. I think she's actually decreased the value with some of it.
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Yes. It has been over-improved for the area, and although she didn't put in the pool, it doesn't add anything to the resale value.
Seems like a lickspittle on Twitter is narcing on fake Instagram accounts that probably belong to the twins. Shouldn't Kate's computer genius "manager" be on top of this stuff?
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Are you talking about the road manager? Perhaps he was too busy riding someone to notice.
Jamesvader1194 said... 4 KIAT As long as Goody is not DM about another Bullyville kinda person to hire again.Im not sure we or the critics on twitter should worry about it.
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I wouldn't worry about it if she were e-mailing about another such person, but like KIAT, it was rather amusing, especially since Gladys got into it.
Question for those who are familiar with composite decking as opposed to wood...do the decks get moldy and green if they are in a damp area, particularly if there are shade trees surrounding the deck?
Why, exactly, would she need an outdoor kitchen, when her new deck is just a few steps from her regular kitchen? She uses paper plates for everything anyways, is it so hard to grap a stack and bring it outside? Now the woman has THREE kitchens. The main kitchen with a huge 6-burner stove and 2 dishwashers, the small extra kitchen in the basement, and the new deck kitchen. I also agree that her deck would cost at least $75K-$100K. TimberTech is more expensive than standard cedar, and she has 2 sets of stairs (regular and spiral-also more expensive). The very large size, and not a simple square or rectangle, ups the price. Add new grill and outdoor kitchen, deck furniture and blankets/cushions, and you are approaching a small mortgage.
rhythm, composite decking can get green but just pressure wash or spray on a mildew remover and hose off. Sometimes you have to brush in the mildew remover if you don't keep up with it. It's a yearly chore.There are a ton of products available at Lowe's or Home Depot and they are safe for plants with the water runoff. Composite decking is not maintenance free.
She could have put in a gazebo on one end of the deck for a shady area with a porch swing (my favorite thing), but the gazebo by the pool is an awesome idea too.
How about her screeching when she discover the iron table left rust marks on her brand new deck? By the way, she thinks she is oh so smart covering up everything. Well, I tried that with some resin furniture with cushions, and they still got wet and mine were better covers than hers. Better to just remove the cushions. Another job for the boys on their chore chart.
Frankly, I think she had no budget for the deck and furniture because she knew it was covered by TLC, if not all but a good chunk. It's like when they film her shopping and she NEVER looks at the price tags. If TLC wasn't covering her spending, I would say she would be just about be broke by now.
Good catch...health and well-being. Never heard that as an excuse to build a deck. Perhaps she had to publicly declare it because Jon thinks she is squandering the kids' money?
Well, the joke"s on her. She can't cook no matter which one she chooses.
I'm not sure why everyone is so worried about the snow load. There are lots of decks on buildings in areas where they get a heck of a lot more snow than she does. Building codes would set the standard so I'm sure it would never be an issue. The Deck_Douche would be able to answer that question.
Besides, the trees in her driveway survived a #Superfun blizzard, didn't they?
There are lots of decks on buildings in areas where they get a heck of a lot more snow than she does. Building codes would set the standard so I'm sure it would never be an issue
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Oh no for a second story structure like this it's imperative you remove the snow after a heavy fall or seriously compromise its integrity. Snow may look light and fluffy but it can pack on serious, and dangerous pounds.
She should have purchsed Tropitone deck furniture. Cushions are quick dry, with Sunbrella fabric which is fade resistant. No need to remove from the rain. They dry in about 10 minutes. The frames are heavy duty and don't rust.
The non-cushion furniture is super comfortable and extremely quick dry. They are all heavy enough that they don't blow around in the wind.
No need to cover any of it except for the winter. I put what I can in the shed, and cover the rest.
It's the most awesome deck furniture ever, well worth the expense.
I remove the snow from my deck, anything over 2". The installer said it wasn't safe to leave the snow on the deck. He said leaving snow on the deck also causes the deck to deteriorate faster.
Oh no for a second story structure like this it's imperative you remove the snow after a heavy fall or seriously compromise its integrity. Snow may look light and fluffy but it can pack on serious, and dangerous pounds.
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Yep. The weight of snow an be deceiving, and depending if we get ice along with it, it can absolutely compromise the integrity of the deck. I recall last winter, when we had so much snow and ice coming on a regular basis, that there were photos of decks that collapsed when snow wasn't removed. I even remember a reminder put out on a local channel about the importance of removing snow on second level decks.
I got to hand it to TLC. Because their "talent" is only interesting for so long, they pour money into things and situations and have their "talent" react for a tv show. Lack of self-awareness and greed are a turn off. That deck is a manifestation of all that is wrong with Kate's show, herself, and the people who admire her. Nobody begrudges someone installing a deck, but for Kate to behave like she deserves that deck and to lie that she scrimped and saved for it is just insulting to viewers. Keep watching if you want to be taken for a fool, sheeple. If you knew someone in your life like Kate, would you be friends with her? Would you tolerate her entitlement? No self-awareness as to other's needs? The only opinions that count are Kate's? Attention seeking? Demanding? Deserving happiness at the expense of others? More take than give in relationships? The list is endless. Yeah, she's a great mother and isn't it fun to watch her children serve her? That deck: all about Kate, a monolith structure that proves she is better than everyone else, deserves it, and another way to terrorize the kids with her rules.
Oh no for a second story structure like this it's imperative you remove the snow after a heavy fall or seriously compromise its integrity. Snow may look light and fluffy but it can pack on serious, and dangerous pounds.
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Sorry to disagree, but snow doesn't weigh more when it's on a second story deck. As the guy in this article states, you only start to worry if the snow level reaches the tops of the 3 foot railings. If it gets higher than that, you start to shovel if the construction is sub-par.
Decks are rated for a greater snow-load than roofs.
Perhaps the locals can tell us if she gets more snow than they do in Boston or other snow-belt areas.
I think Kate's deck "kitchen" is simply a grill that is built-in with L- counters and storage underneath. I didn't see a sink or refrig. I saw some woman open a silver cabinet that is beneath the long counter and I thought for a moment that it may be a small refrig. But it had two handles on it and it matcedh a smaller silver cabinet on the right side of the grill. And Kate mentioned they made room for her to store stuff. Therefore I don't think it really qualifies as a kitchen at all. Of course Kate refers to it as a kitchen because Kate lies to make herself better than everybody else.
I don't think Kate really entertains much at all. She said they have one or two parties in the summer. And she said they have some gatherings. Well, one of the parties is probably for the tups birthdays and another for July 4th. And Kate does not swin so she probably doesn't use the pool other than to sunbathe. So therefore she is not interested in her "kitchen" being by the pool. She simply wanted a great looking place for her kids or herself to disperse to when the noise is too loud and also easy access to grill and eat. And I think she solved those issues with what she did. Her kids will pay the price with all the snow shoveling, hosing, powering washing, sweeping, cushion removal and storage, etc. Kate has 8 slaves to do that work for her. You know just like she had her 8 kids pay for her deck.
I just thought about my sister who built a lovely home with a true out door kitchen. It has a true built in grill (Kate bought one and stuck it in concrete), small refrig. and sink. It is all under cover with a large tv and fire pit. And after two summers they hardly use it. I mean rarely. My sister is the one in the family that buys to simply show off to the rest of the family. The sad part is the whole family is so sick of her talking about money that they really don't want anything to do with her. And believe me nobody is jealous of her. Everybody feels sorry for her. It is sad and my sister will never get it.
One other comment, I don't think anbody has mentioned Kate's firepit. Well, of course she has one. It is over by the pool area on the opposite side of the "kitchen".
Does is strike anyone else that's the same verbiage that applies to how Kate can dip into the kids' #28 earnings to support them? ++++ What are you referring to?
I looked at that Instagram screenshot and it's comprised of photos she posted on Twitter! If you put it out there, people will copy. What does she expect?
Leslie said... 44 Does is strike anyone else that's the same verbiage that applies to how Kate can dip into the kids' #28 earnings to support them? ++++ What are you referring to? January 8, 2016 at 5:19 AM ****** Kate has the discretion to take money out of the kids accounts for their care- "well being", health, education, clothing- and I can see her using that reasoning to spend $$$ on a gratuitous deck. It's nonsense to reason that a deck is life-enriching for the kids. It's Kate projection her wants on her children, once again.
As I said earlier, most parents sacrifice so that their kids can do sports, activities, Scouts, camp etc. Not additions to a 7K square foot home which Kate is already bitching about being too small.
Kate needs to think up an excuse for her en suite next. Hmm...Mady needs a better soaking tub?
When the deck was under construction, she said she ordered a fire pit. I previously mentioned that.
I agree. Kate calls the built in Weber grill a kitchen. I did wonder why she kept bragging about a kitchen. The point was to have close access to her ginormous real kitchen. It would have made sense, if she did not do this, to have included a small fridge so people don't have to go inside for their drinks. In fact, what about an undercounted ice maker too? I did not see that and that is something you would want to include for the ultimate party deck.
Looking at that mug during the couch interview, (deck talk) it's obvious Kate's had some work again, Botox, fillers, etc. The perfectly smooth surface looks plastic an unnaturally hard. The years of tanning, the botox and fillers, the heavy makeup ...the look is artificial and unattractive. Nothing natural. The toast was pathetic. Those adults, were friendly with Kate, but they were not her friends. I am certain as she was toasting, (not to them, but about the money spent) they had to be thinking how sad this was. Good to know the kids have friends over. "Not a dollar spent wasn't mine." In my mind this awkward syntax translates to, "TLC paid me with a deck." In her ode to the deck, was there any mention of estimates, how she found the company? My guess is no. I continue to think about how she used the Gosselin family, most especially Jon. His peaceful laid back family never knew what hit them. This woman who still moans about so much that was lacking in her childhood, made the Gosselin's, most especially Jon make up for it. And of course the churches, Beth and Bob Carson too, she ran right over them. Pay no attention to the greed behind the curtain, I am the great and powerful mom of 8 and this is about my children's health. The lawsuit, against the father of her children, which she voluntarily dismissed with prejudice within only a couple of months after she filed the suit, wasn't that also for the health and safety of the children? Not vengeance, not unresolved bitterness or hatred, no it was for the children. I think all of it, is about the infinite empty unresolved want of little Katie Kreider. The more she alienates, the bigger the emptiness gets.
Okay, Gosselin historians (Gosstorians?), can someone tell me what episode this was from?
Jon was talking to TFW about a low fridge with a drawer you pull out for cold drinks that was reachable to the kids, and she scoffed and said something like, what planet are you from? Can you imagine how beaten down that man felt when his wife was repeatedly dismissive of him -- and on camera for the world to see, yet?
I agree the snow issue for that deck is moot. This is not some ol' rickity rotten wood deck.
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It doesn't matter. Over time snow weight on even the finest of second story decks or structures can compromise its integrity. I wouldn't mess around with it.
Like others have said, every year local authorities warn people to remove excessive snow from such structures. In some communities you can even be cited for not doing so.
It's going to be a big job to remove the snow and ice from that deck all the time. Add it to the boys' chores.
I think the State of Pennsylvania wants their funding back. The churches too, all of the charities that gave tens of thousands in those early years. Has there been any giving back?
Sorry to disagree, but snow doesn't weigh more when it's on a second story deck.
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No one said it does. Huh?
The problem is the empty space underneath. Physics dictates it simply can't hold as much weight as a solid foundation on solid ground.
Obviously, snow is usually not a problem on a structure with a foundation build on solid ground. It's unnecessary to shovel off a porch built directly on the ground. Rarely, enough snow piles up on roofs where it's a good idea to shovel it off.
Trust me, I lived in the snow belt for my entire childhood. Everyone had to shovel off balconies and decks all the time or risk catastrophe. PA gets enough storms a year to keep an eye on it. There are dozens of accidents a year because people don't think.
Flimsyflamsy, I don't recall that episode. I did watch in the early years. I think anything Jon wanted was crapped on. I can't recall a moment where she was positive or supportive of anything he wanted to have or do. Still breaks my heart what she took from that family.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 51 Okay, Gosselin historians (Gosstorians?), can someone tell me what episode this was from?
Jon was talking to TFW about a low fridge with a drawer you pull out for cold drinks that was reachable to the kids, and she scoffed and said something like, what planet are you from? Can you imagine how beaten down that man felt when his wife was repeatedly dismissive of him -- and on camera for the world to see, yet? -----------------
It was from the episode about the kitchen renovation, titled "Renovations and Vacations". It's on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKtvr1oMQxQ
The part where Jon and Kate are discussing the renovations with the kitchen designers starts about 3:00.
I looked it up and it is Beach and Kitchen Reveal with the date Aug. 10, 2009. I remember because Jon stayed home and Kate left for the beach. At least I think that was the episode where they discussed the kitchen remodel.
Well, the joke"s on her. She can't cook no matter which one she chooses. ****** How about the apartment over the garage? That's got to have a kitchen, too.
Sue_Buddy said... 30 What is a deck kitchen? Is there a refrigerator, sink, cupboards? I didn't see a kitchen on the deck. Where is it located?
****** I wouldn't consider it a kitchen unless it had running water, too. I don't think Kate's does. There are nice units which are built around grills and have counter space and storage. Not a kitchen.
I think her face looked a little lumpy, particularly around the mouth...Juvederm? It puffs up stuff. And she had her roots touched up. I don't know where that spa was, but I bet she goes there for her French tips and hair. Glad the tups enjoyed it. Why not Cara and Mady? Seems those two got less air time; maybe there was some extra editing done because of all the criticism. They are still obnoxious. And for the magic show...did you notice they did not let go of their phones? And Kate was not the boys' assistant. She plopped herself next to them for camera time and to give the girls the evil eye. Of course she darn well knew the candy coins would be used as weapons. Any mom could predict that!
Yes, Leslie. Jon was more in touch with his kids' needs than Kate. An under counter fridge is great for young kids to help themselves rather than have your high end double door fridge opening and closing all day. I think at that point in the marriage, Kate didn't care what she said to Jon on camera. Quite sad. And she was filmed having a great time with Steve in NC.
How about her screeching when she discover the iron table left rust marks on her brand new deck? By the way, she thinks she is oh so smart covering up everything. Well, I tried that with some resin furniture with cushions, and they still got wet and mine were better covers than hers. Better to just remove the cushions. Another job for the boys on their chore chart. ******* Cushions really should be stored when not in use and kept dry if possible. Even Sunbrella fabric. We installed one of those storage shelves that hangs from the ceiling, in the garage, that's JUST for our patio cushions. I never really thought about how much space they take up until I had them all.
Hop to it, Instagram! Kate has commanded you! ****** I know, seriously! It's 10pm est, why isn't anyone deleting these accounts immediately?! MACH SCHNELL!!!!!!!!
The lawsuit, against the father of her children, which she voluntarily dismissed with prejudice within only a couple of months after she filed the suit, wasn't that also for the health and safety of the children? ***** Yes! Another ridiculous assertion. I'd call it emotionally abusive to her kids and Jon. It was preposterous to imply that Jon was/is a danger to his own children.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 51 Okay, Gosselin historians (Gosstorians?), can someone tell me what episode this was from?
Jon was talking to TFW about a low fridge with a drawer you pull out for cold drinks that was reachable to the kids, and she scoffed and said something like, what planet are you from? Can you imagine how beaten down that man felt when his wife was repeatedly dismissive of him -- and on camera for the world to see, yet? January 8, 2016 at 5:53 AM ******* On camera and in the filming moment, in front of other people. I'm pretty sure at the time that I related how I felt for Jon, having an ex that would do the same to me; put me down and marginalize me in front of other adults. It was mean and cruel, and the fact of the matter was, Jon's suggestion was excellent. Kate's ignorance and utter disdain for Jon kicked in like an addict mainlining heroin, and her disgust for Jon just came spewing forth, without filter or regard for him. Her pseudo-apology was self serving and completely inauthentic.
Tucker's Mom (#64), and as I've said before, the most ridiculous part of that suit she filed for her kids' safety is that she left town soon after for some sort of promotional tour. So your 8 kids' safety is in jeopardy, but you feel comfortable hitting the road? With a bodyguard? If you had to leave, why not leave the bodyguard with the kids?
It doesn't matter. Over time snow weight on even the finest of second story decks or structures can compromise its integrity. I wouldn't mess around with it. ***** The big thing for me with decks and snow is that if you don't get shoveling, you wind up with ice under the snow. That ice is impossible to get off (not going to chip at it and ruin the deck) and you're at the mercy of the sun and temperature. Slippery!
She plopped herself next to them for camera time and to give the girls the evil eye. Of course she darn well knew the candy coins would be used as weapons. Any mom could predict that! ******* Did the girls throw candy AT the boys? In the snipped I saw, the kids were in the basement pushing and shoving before Kate beckoned them to the kitchen by stomping on the floor.
BTW, I finally looked at the preview for next week's show "School Prep". The "one more summer project" mentioned in the synopsis is Kate and the kids refinishing the picnic table.
I wonder if that was also filmed back in July when the back to school shopping was filmed.
After showing all the new stuff that Kate got for the deck, they're now going to show Kate being frugal refinishing the picnic table?
So what will the next renovation be? Maybe a jacuzzi and an indoor gym? Um, you know, for the twins' 16th birthday? Yeah, that's the ticket -- for the twins!
Last comment on decks and snow-load. PSF is PSF no matter whether a deck is 3 feet off the ground or 20 feet off the ground. (PSF = pounds per square foot) I'm excluding decks built directly on the ground.
"For a residential deck, the code requires it be designed to support a minimum 40-psf live load. The live load is the external force applied to a deck due to the activities of its use. People, furniture, and any other movable, physical object on the deck are covered under live load. In commercial buildings, the minimum live load required by the International Building Code is determined by the anticipated use of each space, and thus the anticipated density of people in the space. For assembly uses, such as restaurants, churches and music venues, the minimum live load is 100 psf. Conventional deck construction can support greater live loads by using larger dimension lumber or closer spacing of joists and beams. For residential decks designed for entertaining large groups, it’s not a bad idea to overbuild it from the minimum 40 psf required by building codes."
"In regions with heavy snowfall, the snow load may exceed the 40-psf live load. In those instances, allowable spans for larger live loads can substitute for an equivalent snow load. For example, a span table for 60-psf live load could be used for a region with a 60-psf snow load. Some conditions may require additional design consideration, such as areas subject to drifting snow or sliding snow from roofs above. Those loads act on the deck differently and more substantially than live loads."
From the article I posted earlier.
"♦ Don’t shovel your deck to avoid collapse. Building Codes require decks support more snow than most roofs. A properly built deck is not likely to collapse from the weight of snow. Read the engineering details in my blog post last month or just skip to the conclusion: “Here’s a rule of thumb: Your deck rails are probably 36” high. Don’t worry until the snow is above your rails (deeper than 3 feet.) If you can see the rail tops, you’re OK — even with a little rain.” When snow is deeper than 3 feet, begin to worry. When snow is deeper than 3-1/2 feet, begin to shovel."
If her deck was built by professionals (it seems it was) and the proper inspections took place (who knows?) I don't think she has anything to worry about.
I haven’t posted for a long time but read almost daily
When Kate got her new deck and outside kitchen it dawned on me her attitude about new things parallels Matt Roloff. Matt is always in a hurry to get something built whether he needs it or not. Once it’s built (e.g. man cave in an outlining barn) it used a bit and then he forgets about it, moving on to the next project. And he doesn’t maintain anything that he just had to have. All his projects are filmed by TLC, so my guess is TLC is footing the bill for the new must have project.
What does Kate do, she needs a new deck and an outside kitchen. Probably she doesn’t stop and think whether she needs it or more to the point will she use it after the cameras are turned off. She, like Matt, is thinking about the next project that they can get for their house or farm (probably) with TLC picking up the bill.
They’re also sly like a fox. These home improvements has the possibility of increasing the value of their property. And whose will benefit from this, not TLC but Kate or Matt when it comes time to sell. I know there’s always the caveat that they over improved their property and won’t recoup the expenses. My take on this, they’re not thinking about possibility, only the potential return on investment
#47 - Oh, I must be slow. I never put together the verbiage of health and well-being with using money from the kids' 15% fund to build the deck. No way in hell would any judge ever agree that she needed to build this deck for the kids health and well-being. My guess is she just said that to be saying it. She had to make it seem like this deck greatly benefited the kids because she always claims everything she does benefits them. Personally, I don't even think she attempted to use the kid money. She has tremendous savings and a huge yearly income to pay for that deeply discounted deck.
That health and well-being claim is as stupid as her other statement that they will probably never (or rarely) use her "real" kitchen again. That is so dumb.
Does Kate have a grill built-in on that huge stove/oven she has? If she doesn't she was stupid not to get one. I can see why she would want to grill once in a while but like somebody said she cooked the salmon and shrimp in pan on her grill. That is not true grilling. I bet somebody was downstairs grilling the hamburgers while she was doing that.
Flimsy asked what will the next renovation be. I say an intercom system or a study built on her bedroom or off the family room. I remember she said she wanted one. I think her 800 sq. ft bedroom suite isn't big enough to house her computer and file cabinets (snark). Plus she probably wants to hang up all her photos up with the stars she met.
Yes, I can see the similarity between TFW and Matt. The word I would use about their ideas and plans is "grandiose." With Matt, I've always attributed it to some sort of overcompensation for his small stature. With TFW, I'd say it's pure greed and manipulation. As in, how far can I go before they'll say no?
There is definitely an emptiness in TFW that cannot be filled and we all know she is trying. No self-awareness is only part of the problem. Her issues are only magnified by being on TLC. I agree with thinking the kind family Jon came from didn't know what hit them. It's like after the hurricane came through, all are just left stunned and backing away. The Carson family come to mind here. Jodi and Kevin, also. We all know a lot of the story, but may never know all of it. Jon was just not strong enough to withstand the vicious attack. It's not over yet. Kids are far from grown.
I know there’s always the caveat that they over improved their property and won’t recoup the expenses. My take on this, they’re not thinking about possibility, only the potential return on investment
******* Even with the improvements, renovations and additions, I don't think Kate could get what she paid for that house. She should stop major investments and just deal with maintenance.
LaLaLandNoMore said... 77 There is definitely an emptiness in TFW that cannot be filled and we all know she is trying. ****** It's always bigger, better, faster, more with Kate. What's next? She wants what she doesn't yet have, and doesn't appreciate what's been given to her already. I think she is going to put a lot of pressure on her kids to take care of her in every way because she'll be very lonely once their up and out. I can't see a sane, mature and decent man wanting to attempt a relationship with a woman with 8 kids, on television. It will take another weak (or very greedy) man to capitulate the way Jon did.
I wonder why Kate didn't put her grill on her front porch before she built the deck. Does anybody know if her porch was larger enough for a grill. I know there was an area to the left when you existed her front door but I don't recall how large it was. I think that would have been much easier to do (if there was room) and then they could have eaten on a picnic table outside her front door. It seems that grilling chicken or other things would be time consuming. I would like to be near the kitchen so I could come in as wanted or needed to prepare the sides. But Kate never complain about being stuck one floor grilling when she wanted to be upstairs doing her normal routine. She only complained about hauling all the stuff down there.
I understand perfectly the weight of snow on a 3 foot deck is the same as a deck at any other higher elevation. No one ever said otherwise.
The issue is if a 3 foot deck collapses because you never bothered to shovel the very heavy snow off, you're unlikely to die from a 3 foot fall. It's very simple.
If her deck is compromised, however, serious injury or death is a real possibilty because it's so high up. Thus, a much longer fall.
Great find, Kate is a Twit. The MASSAGE was not broadcast, and we can bet who got that! I wondered why she was just sitting at the spa watching the girls. Proves they film plenty that never makes it on TV.
The girls did throw the candy AT the boys. Kate even mentioned if during her couch interview. And she foot stomps to get the kids to come up from the basement???? How incredibly LAZY that is. Wow. And rude.
If a monster snow storm pounds Wernersville and Kate does not shovel off her deck and it collapses, oh well. I don't care. What I want is the RECAP!
Oh, when it does snow in Wernersville, you can certainly expect a Tweet with a picture of her snow covered deck, LOL. Yeah Kate, we know you read here.
Kate is a twit..67.. Good catch on this tweet.... Ashley Weidman @Chapppyash Just finished filming some massage magic for Kate Plus 8, imma be a TV star ya'll
TLC stinks said... 85 Great find, Kate is a Twit. The MASSAGE was not broadcast, and we can bet who got that! I wondered why she was just sitting at the spa watching the girls. Proves they film plenty that never makes it on TV. January 8, 2016 at 8:29 AM ****** The sheep just don't get this. Each 22 or 44 minute episode takes many hours to film. It just gets edited down to vignettes, where you can't or won't appreciate how much is left on the cutting room floor. The film crews work long, long hours to catch everything. They're not deciding what gets into the final story arc, they just know they have to make sure everything is on film so it's there to choose from. For hours each day of filming, there are cameras in the face, booms above the head, people milling about all around you, facilities shut down completely and velvet ropes and signage put up so the unwashed masses don't brush up against the talent. Pick just one of those and it totally alters the experience. Now add them all together and you have an idea how the sausage is made. Oh, and add on top of that, a rigorous schedule where no matter if you're sick, you must post.
This winter has been and continues to be mild, due to the El Niño effect. In the future who knows. Large decks are difficult in Pa. I don't care what the material. And if you shovel, you can't let the shovel scrape the surface. Multiple snows, melting and freezing, rain it wears on anything man made. There are warranties for fading, I imagine they are pretty limited.
TLC stinks said... 83 Where is the picnic table? It looked like she got a new table for the deck. ==========
They did get a new table for the deck. They had, or still have, a picnic table on their patio(which is now below the deck). You can see it in this picture:
I think she is going to put a lot of pressure on her kids to take care of her in every way because she'll be very lonely once their up and out.
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I'll bet they're all looking forward to going to a college or a job as far away from her as they can get when they're old enough to leave that nuthouse. My god there is no pleasing her. Listening to her ride their backs when they were trying to help set up the furniture on the deck was unnerving. The woman is a frenetic mess. She was screeching orders and upsetting all of them and yet wouldn't let them help when they tried to help. That's exactly what she used to do to Jon.
It's Kate who is exhausting to be around, not her kids.
On the Kate plus 8 FB page, under a post that says "summer projects are in full swing" they posted a picture of the picnic table that they are refinishing.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 71 So what will the next renovation be?
***************** My vote is fixing up her "unfinished" basement. Theater for movie night,extensive game room or god knows what else. Something to bribe the kids into filming even more. Or add on another room for more personal space when the deck isn't usable? (winter?)
This winter has been and continues to be mild, due to the El Niño effect. In the future who knows. Large decks are difficult in Pa. I don't care what the material. And if you shovel, you can't let the shovel scrape the surface. Multiple snows, melting and freezing, rain it wears on anything man made. There are warranties for fading, I imagine they are pretty limited.
**** She loves her snow thrower, so maybe she will try to use that on the deck! I just can't see her trying to shovel six inches of snow off a deck and not knowing where to go with the snow!
Another thing, Kate was acting like the burden of providing food for that deck was soooooo overwhelming. If you are organizish, she could have prepped much of that food the day prior. Also, with a big cookout, don't people usually bring a dish to share? They did not show anybody arriving with anything. Isn't that what "friends" do? I assume she did not prepare all that food but some was brought in, and not by the guests. The cookout was filmed so much of the food was provided by Figure 8 catering, IMO. And all her talk of grilling is ridiculous. Grilling is supposed to be relaxing and sharing time with your guests. She is too uptight so I don't think she does it often.
OT: Oregon wildlife refuge and people who won't leave! Discovery could do a great reality comedy show about this! one "patriotic" militia person was outed as never having served in the military, left wildlife refuge in disgrace. Another is from Utah, Family are appalled and embarrassed and his mother is sending his brother to fetch him home. Another asked for donations for the cause but spend a lot on a drinking binge at local restaurant. Rumors that the brave militia are actually going to a motel in town to sleep. They want land given back to people, and the Paiute tribe says, yes we would like it back, when will you hand it over? They are occupying a refuge that gets few visitors in winter so the staff doesn't really care. They have upset the Audubon Society the most! I read satirical article about how the birders planned to take back the refuge, using their sturdy walking sticks and powers of camouflage and stealth. I'm waiting for the whole group to get drunk and start shooting each other! Some ultra conservative media folks have accused some of the members of being FBI plants encouraging the others to break the law. And the Twitter hashtags! #YallQueda. #VanillaIsis. #YeeHawd. #Cowliphate. "Every successful revolution starts with takeover of closed visitor center with gift shop!"
An intercom has probably already been installed, thus the foreshadowing of stomping her feet to call them upstairs. Likewise the dog siring puppies.
It appears that TLC has perhaps put the kibosh on big trips. Unless they can figure out some way to torture her with it. I think they've put the kibosh on the big, flying first class, trips. You know, those 'posh' trips they never get to take. Like the one to Australia or the one to Alaska.
This is gonna be fun speculating on her next big item at the compound. We know she reads here so it'll be interesting to see which of our ideas she selects. We should run a contest. Winner gets a keg of rumspringa and quality time with Auntie Ann in the shade of the veranda.
Ingrid (#95), a home theater is an excellent guess! And before the big reveal, she'd say that the kids spent 99.9% of their time in her room, piled on her bed watching TV, and she was worried about the orthopedic issues this might bring up for them. So a home theater would be all about their health and well being. And suddenly the deck would be, like her children, just one more thing for her to complain about taking care of.
A heavy duty push broom works for sweeping decks and so does a gas powered leaf blower for light snowfalls. Keeping the deck clear shouldn't be a big deal if she stays on top of it. The boys will probably be assigned to do the job anyway.
Just watched the part of the episode where they went to the spa and the girls were getting their nails done. Kate’s doing her usual babbling during the couch interview about the girls choosing their nail colors:
“They have really, really pretty colors, but again, I’m beyond picking for them. Can’t pick clothes, can’t pick nail color, can’t pick book bags, can’t pick anything anymore. I just have to pay for it.”
Then it shows her in the nail salon, talking to the camera man, saying “They don’t realize how lucky they are, because I never ever went to a nail salon till I paid for it myself.”
Then when it goes back to the couch interview, she subtly manages to get a dig at Jon. “If the way MY situation turned out helps them to choose better and be happier and be more successful in marriage and in life...”.
Then it cuts out and it doesn’t it show her finishing the sentence.
WTF does choosing nail colors, book bags, etc. at 11 have to do with their choices in life and whether they have a successful marriage? Good grief!!
You can see that blathering at 18:40 in the video:
WTF does choosing nail colors, book bags, etc. at 11 have to do with their choices in life and whether they have a successful marriage? Good grief!!
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I guess if you choose a good nail color (oranges in fall, dark red in winter, light corals in spring, pink in summer) then the chances are that you will select a 'man for all seasons' as well, and the marriage will be successful. Makes sense, right?
At age 11, nail salons (if there even were any around here) was something we didn't do until we got to college, if then. Amazing that most of us managed to choose the right man.
Kate is a twit said... 94 On the Kate plus 8 FB page, under a post that says "summer projects are in full swing" they posted a picture of the picnic table that they are refinishing.
http://tinyurl.com/hgz4fvw ****** IIRC, going way back to when I still watched the show, I believe this table was built for them, from "reclaimed" wood. Kate praised the table but lamented it could have been bigger.
A heavy duty push broom works for sweeping decks and so does a gas powered leaf blower for light snowfalls. Keeping the deck clear shouldn't be a big deal if she stays on top of it. The boys will probably be assigned to do the job anyway.
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Dumb question -- if you have a second level deck with the railing going all the way to the floor of the deck, to where do you push the snow? Down the steps? You certainly can't hoist shovels of snow over the top of the railing, can you? That would kill your back.
Crawling back under the veranda where we don't need to worry about snow or ice.
So far, so good this year, with nothing yet. Keeping my fingers crossed! January 8, 2016 at 9:38 AM (((((((( Yes, I remember that well, and will for the rest of my life. We had 2 bad winters back to back. I could tell soooooo many horror stories! The snow. The ICE. I didn't get mail for over 2 weeks. We were really socked in.
She loves her snow thrower, so maybe she will try to use that on the deck! I just can't see her trying to shovel six inches of snow off a deck and not knowing where to go with the snow! ****** She's need a crane to get it up there!
Amen, Tucker's Mom. Total lack of appreciation is evident with TFW. I have seen some self-centered people in my lifetime. TFW is at the top of the list. She has a lot of living left to do. Most of it will not be filmed for entertainment. Hopefully, the 8 kids have air tight college funds and are able to go away for school. They will surely want to do just that.
This is gonna be fun speculating on her next big item at the compound. We know she reads here so it'll be interesting to see which of our ideas she selects. We should run a contest. Winner gets a keg of rumspringa and quality time with Auntie Ann in the shade of the veranda.
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I'm already there. Does this mean I won?
My vote will be for an enclosed (maybe even heated) walk-way to the garage. Anyone who paid that much for a house with a detached garage wasn't playing with a full deck.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 103 Ingrid (#95), a home theater is an excellent guess! ********* well, what else for their so called normal friday family movie nights. Doesn't everyone think they need a theater with reclining seats for it?
KIAT (#105), your transcript reminds me of why I can not, will not, watch this woman ever again.
What lessons does she want her kids to learn about marriage by her example? To not marry a nice guy who loves you, and is an attentive, hands-on parent? To kick your spouse to the curb when you have issues that might be resolved through counseling? To use your spouse for as long as you feel they are providing what you need, and then spit them out? To badmouth your spouse to your children after the divorce, and ban the person from your property? She is a horrible example of just about anything but successful grifting.
TimberTech @timbertech_deck 13m13 minutes ago .@Kateplusmy8 gets decked out with TimberTech #decking and railing! See photos of her dream deck: http://bit.ly/1mIxZgr #timbertechdeck
Admin, you will be relieved to know that the deck has a RAILING!
Seems like TLC wants to get back to the original Jon and Kate dynamic--having babies and family conflicts caused by having babies. This is also the series that the Gardner quadruplets will be appearing in.
From the article:
"This winter TLC explores the scary, exhilarating, frustrating, joyful and ultimately life-changing experience of PARENTHOOD with new series RATTLED. As seen through the lives of four diverse couples from across the country, viewers will go along for THE RIDE as they watch these new parents experience a wide range of challenges, triumphs and milestones, for the first year of their newborns' lives. Executive Produced by Flower Films' Drew Barrymore and Nancy Juvonen, the new series premieres Tuesday, February 2 at 10/9c.
The couples featured all face different circumstances as they navigate how their new baby will fit into their already established lives. Whether it is balancing work and their newborn, feeling pressure from family members' about how they think the baby should be raised or making sure that their relationships with their significant others remain intact, they will never forget this period of adjustment in their lives.
The series will follow the evolution of these families as their babies enter the world, and what that means to each of them."
The rest of the article describes each of the 4 couples.
“They have really, really pretty colors, but again, I’m beyond picking for them. Can’t pick clothes, can’t pick nail color, can’t pick book bags, can’t pick anything anymore. I just have to pay for it.”
Then it shows her in the nail salon, talking to the camera man, saying “They don’t realize how lucky they are, because I never ever went to a nail salon till I paid for it myself.” ****** Jeebus, woman. Thank God your children are capable of picking out clothes and dressing themselves. Poor Charlene. She must be pretty tired of being thrown under the bus. You know what? My mother never took me to a nail salon and I paid for myself the first time I went in my early 20's. Some years later, when my mom came to visit me, I took her to a nail salon, which was her first pedicure ever. It was such a wonderful experience and I was thrilled to treat her. She was almost giddy! It brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it. I have never, ever thought that somehow I was short changed as a kid because I had to paint my own nails!
Yes, I can see the similarity between TFW and Matt. The word I would use about their ideas and plans is "grandiose." With Matt, I've always attributed it to some sort of overcompensation for his small stature. With TFW, I'd say it's pure greed and manipulation. As in, how far can I go before they'll say no?
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At first quick read, I thought you were talking about Matt Deck Dude, and wondered how you know he is small in stature, how is he over-compensating, and what did I miss? lol!
Then when it goes back to the couch interview, she subtly manages to get a dig at Jon. “If the way MY situation turned out helps them to choose better and be happier and be more successful in marriage and in life...”.
Then it cuts out and it doesn’t it show her finishing the sentence. ********* WTF is that supposed to mean? Don't marry a man like your father? How about don't keep your bf's or DH's balls in a Dixie cup on your nightstand.
Then when it goes back to the couch interview, she subtly manages to get a dig at Jon. “If the way MY situation turned out helps them to choose better and be happier and be more successful in marriage and in life...”.
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She's shallow, and she owns it. I suppose spas and other upkeep might help you become a trophy wife someday to someone 30 years your senior, if that's what she wants for her girls.
A good man loves you for who you are, not the spas you can afford.
We have a plastic snow shovel that is used to clear the deck and stairs after each snow fall. Like most other split-level style houses in our area, the deck is right off of the upper level back door, so it's our "emergency exit" in case of fire. Never a bad idea to keep any and all exits from a house clear in case of emergency!
poor Kate, to get to the grill she had to leave the kitchen , down the hall, through the family room , down a long flight of stairs and through the unfinished basement. The same route she would have to take to reach her young sons in case of an emergency...hmmm. No worries there I guess.
I didn't say that she should have put the picnic table on the front porch. The table could have gone on the front lawn. I only said the grill. Nobody could see it. In fact she has an extremely large tree in front of it.
Your deck rails are probably 36” high. Don’t worry until the snow is above your rails (deeper than 3 feet.) If you can see the rail tops, you’re OK — even with a little rain.” When snow is deeper than 3 feet, begin to worry. When snow is deeper than 3-1/2 feet, begin to shovel."
If her deck was built by professionals (it seems it was) and the proper inspections took place (who knows?) I don't think she has anything to worry about.
****** This article says nothing about ICE. This is frequently a problem in this area. Snow is one thing. Ice is an entirely different creature. We have snow, topped by ice, and very often a heavy crust of ice that is difficult, if not impossible, to remove. It brings down power lines and trees and I have seen photos of decks that have collapsed under the weight of snow and ice, regardless if building codes were followed or not. I just can't see her outside chopping through thick layers of ice. In the case of snow and ice, she does have something to worry about.
Kate! You took my advice and went to Bell Tower instead of NYC! (Actually I commented about that probably at least a year ago so I take no credit.) I've been to Bell Tower only twice but I liked it. But do you think she asked for 2 nights in NYC and some famous spa? I do. And she got a few hours in Wyomissing. Funny.
I haven't watched any episodes for gosh, I couldn't tell you how long. I just can't stand listening to her, but I do enjoy admin's recaps. Did she actually believe that the Blues Brothers were Elvis?
Nicole Powers @Salemdaisy 38m38 minutes ago @Kateplusmy8 - That wasn't 2 Elvis statues it was the Blues Brothers #kateplus8 #antiquing
I guess if you think that FDR is on Rushmore, then nothing would be surprising.
Dumb question -- if you have a second level deck with the railing going all the way to the floor of the deck, to where do you push the snow? Down the steps? You certainly can't hoist shovels of snow over the top of the railing, can you? That would kill your back.
******* There's a space below the bottom horizontal rail and the deck itself. You can push under that, and through the vertical rails. You can also shovel and throw over the top.
OK, we'll trust YOU over civil engineers and folks who make their living building decks
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Actually civil engineers and folks who make their living on decks aren't all on the same page. PJ found some who are comfortable with snowfall, fair enough, I can show you several other sites from around the web in which those very same people strongly recommend snow be removed from decks. Emergency officials also recommend it and some towns will cite you if you don't. I don't know what to tell you other than I can't tell you how many times I heard on the news growing up "shovel your decks". Reasonable engineers can disagree.
There does seem to be agreement on two issues: first, a well made deck is better than a poorly made one, and two, routine inspections of high decks are not only recommended but crucial. Kate did the first, but I doubt she has the brains to do the second.
My vote will be for an enclosed (maybe even heated) walk-way to the garage. Anyone who paid that much for a house with a detached garage wasn't playing with a full deck. ****** That would have gone right on my "con" list ;-)
Blowing In The Wind said... 114 I'll tell you what would be a great addition to that house for the kids' well being and safety- a backup generator.
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Didn't she get a generator? I remember her asking if you could put it inside the house. January 8, 2016 at 11:04 AM ***** She did ask about getting a generator AFTER her power went out, and then asked if she could use it indoors. Yikes! I'm talking about a whole-house generator that kicks in as soon as the power goes out. Not the portable, gas-powered generators which are meant to supply critical things like refrigerators and freezers.
Been awhile since I've commented, but I've been lurking!
So we know by now Kate has no self-awareness, but that whole deck party just boggles my mind. I would feel humiliated having to tell the TLC producers uh, I don't have any family or friends to invite so I guess I'll just invite the parents of the kids' friends. And oh my goodness, her toast was one of the most awkward things I have ever seen. Look at the body language and faces of the guests--they look so awkward. Here she is talking about the importance of friends and family...to a bunch of strangers. And you KNOW that they at least appreciated the irony.
I'm also willing to bet she didn't interact with them at all. Bet she hid in the kitchen and tried to appear busy all the time. She is so socially awkward, even interacting with the TLC crew. What a sad, sad life.
Other things of note: oh my goodness, when Leah called her out for gender stereotyping I wanted to cheer. I've noticed Leah has replaced Hannah as the golden child. I've seen some real tension between Kate and Hannah over the new episodes. Colin is either drugged or needs help STAT. He looks downright catatonic during the couch interviews. Magic show was further proof she doesn't know her kids and it was an idea from producers. The boys didn't even like magic and they didn't want to do a show. And grrr, typical Kate had to make it a competition. "Give coins to the one you like best!" She makes EVERYTHING a competition.
I'm babbling (and could go on)--but I had a lot to catch up on. Happy New Year, ladies (and gents) of the veranda!
Kate is a twit said... 118 This story is about the show that will be replacing Kate plus 8 Tuesdays at 10pm, starting Feb. 2.
http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/Sneak-Peek-TLC-to-Premiere-New-Series-RATTLED-22-20160108 ******* Sounds like typical TLC fodder. Not surprising and it amazes me they still keep such a stale show as K+8 filming. I don't get it ;-)
***** Actually, I think this concept can be very relatable to families. Kate stopped being relatable when she moved into a 1.2 million dollar home whilst grifting for Love Offerings. The excess of Kate Gosselin has long ago become repulsive.
The digs and stabs sent from TFW toward her parents and Jon are just disgusting. What kind of people do that and get away with it on television? Well, we know she is being rewarded for such behavior at least by TLC. Poor, poor pitiful TFW. You are right, Admin, she certainly owns her shallow values. I have known people who grew up dirt poor with little to eat and rummage sale clothes to wear that do not blame or bad mouth their parents. TFW is offensive and certainly does not live in thanksgiving. I still want to laugh my head off when thinking about that "purse full of bills" on the Today Show. Never watched that program since. To allow someone that wealthy to make such an appearance was and is disgusting.
TLC posted some webisodes that didn't make it to the final cut of the show. It does show the girls getting massages, and Kate mentioned that they also got pedicures. Guess the masseuse can be happy now that she made it TLC's website:
Funny that the link says "spay day" instead of "spa day". Especially since there's also a webisode about Shoka having a "play date" with his girlfriend, Inka, who belongs to his dog groomer. Will Inka become Shoka's baby mama?
@Tucker's mom does this new show mean that they'll finally kick Kate 2 the curb and STOP filming the gosselin kids?I doubt it but i think that they'll film the sweet 16 special and whenever there's no other show on.
MiChi (#124), good to see you! There is plenty of room on the veranda for everyone, so no lurking is necessary!
I didn't watch the show, but appreciated your comments. That toast sounds sterile at best, and embarrassing at worst. For a speech like that with "family and friends," you would think someone would have an arm thrown around TFW, or vice versa. Or a kid might naturally be hanging on to Mom, or have his/her arm around her waist. Some sort of support or affection between the people attending. But, wow, that sounds more like a speech at some business convention. Why oh why would any of us be jealous of her?
Ha, I'm with you there!! You sound like my mother, who believed detatched garages in the Northeast are the Devil's workshop.
You know, she's right.
Layout, layout, layout.
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Oh, for sure! When we were searching for a new home, I wouldn't even consider one with a detached garage, no matter how wonderful the property was! We did find a house, a gorgeous historic home with four finished levels, two stairways circular stairways off the main foyer, brand-new state of the art kitchen, stunning office with fireplace, original woodwork and trim, everything you could ever want in a home. However, the garage was a converted carriage house quite a distance from the main house, and even though the asking price was ridiculously reasonable, we didn't make an offer. There was no place to build another garage, and I just didn't want to make the hike through the snow to the garage, especially on brutal winter mornings. Kate doesn't have that far to go to the garage, but I'm betting that some kind of an enclosed space leading to the garage might be her next project.
Snow and ice on a deck. Articles mention snow, but nothing about the TYPE of snow. There is a light powdery snow and two feet or more likely wouldn't be an issue, and then there is a wet, very heavy snow that is very common in this area, and only a foot or so would add considerable weight to the deck. If you add ice to that, you could have a recipe for disaster if it's not taken care of immediately.
I'm sure she will figure it all out. If she has any problems, there's always Deckdude Matt to help 'doll' Kate with any concerns. Or she can ask her tweeties, who are always at her beck and call. I know, I know, Gladys would love to be her beck and call girl.
I would feel humiliated having to tell the TLC producers uh, I don't have any family or friends to invite so I guess I'll just invite the parents of the kids' friends. ___ In fairness we don't have any knowledge that the adults were parents of the kids. Gee, I just defended Kate. This headache must be worse than I thougt.
I saw the promo for this show when I was watching the new 600-pound Life show. It looks interesting, as long as those parents don't go the Kate route and fame doesn't go to their heads and they decide to put their kids on display for the next decade.
Lanc Native said... 129 Did she actually believe that the Blues Brothers were Elvis? --- Yep, she pointed them out as fat Elvis & skinny Elvis during the "Kate can't stop talking about which statue in each antique shop should be her new husband" episode.
Off topic-- I just finished reading Dogtripping by David Rosenfelt, an account of moving the 25 dogs in his and his wife's rescue foundation from California to Maine. It is amusing, touching, sometimes heartbreaking, but one passage caught my interest in relation to reality tv and this blog. While trying to work out the incredibly complicated logistics of the move, they considered making it a reality show so the production company would provide the transportation and staff. They decided against it because they were uncomfortable with the constant scrutiny and felt "the chaos of a camera crew in our house with all the dogs was too horrible to even contemplate". The final straw was that the network insisted on "human conflict", so they ditched the idea and elected to fund and staff the move themselves.
These people wouldn't subject their dogs to reality tv while Kate serves her children up on a silver platter.
I'm talking about a whole-house generator that kicks in as soon as the power goes out. Not the portable, gas-powered generators which are meant to supply critical things like refrigerators and freezers.
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I don't know about your area, Tucker's Mom, but while it's a good idea in places where power goes out frequently and emergency electricity is needed (hospitals, etc), I'm not so sure that it's worth the expense here. Certainly it happens, but not that often to justify having it installed. Let her deal with her indoor/outdoor generator and if the house gets cold, she has a fireplace, or is it two or three? She certainly has doubles of everything else!
You know with all this talk about snow on the deck, she will probably just have the guy who does her extremely long driveway shovel her deck.
Any I bet she already purchased a generator for her house. I think the only reason she didn't have one before was because she was to stupid to know they even existed.
I didn't know that avocado was toxic to birds. I saw this on Kate's timeline:
AshliexoNicolexo @mommylajes85 · 29m29 minutes ago @Kateplusmy8 Kate please don't let zorro around avocado! It's extremely toxic to birds! It will kill him if he eats it.
I read up on it and the pit and skin are most toxic, but the flesh is also dangerous. The bird can go into cardiac arrest and die.
There's part of the show where Kate is scooping out avocados to make guacamole, and Collin is standing right next to her with Zorro on his shoulder.!
Fade2black (#151), wow, that certainly is a relevant comparison. This man had compassion and sense enough to not want to jeopardize the mental health of his animals, but TFW does not afford her own children the same consideration.
The sextuplets really were miracle babies, with no long-term physical health issues from their premature birth. Yet their mother turned their childhoods into a sideshow, and continues to do so.
jamezvader1194 said... 141 @Tucker's mom does this new show mean that they'll finally kick Kate 2 the curb and STOP filming the gosselin kids?I doubt it but i think that they'll film the sweet 16 special and whenever there's no other show on. January 8, 2016 at 12:42 PM ****** It wouldn't surprise me if TLC continues to film K+8. You just can't get enough of watching other people on lavish vacations, getting spa days and throwing balls to dogs ;-)
The final straw was that the network insisted on "human conflict", so they ditched the idea and elected to fund and staff the move themselves. ***** Every.Single. Reality.Show. Is based on conflict. Too much peace and harmony breaking bad doesn't bode well for numbers.
Is it me or does it seem Kate's hair changes lengths and fullness a lot? I watched the bonus clips and she's got different heads of hair it seems.
Rattled does sound like back to the beginning for discovery! expecting couples, I'm assuming cute couples, adorable babies, maybe meddling in laws. Plus these are unknowns so the payment to the families will be low low low!
Kate Gosselin's Knight in Shining Armor James McGibney AKA Bullyville has just been handed history making documents and ordered to apologise every day for 365 days for his behavior! WINNING!!!
Next Project du Kate? Why, an under-deck ice and snow melting device, of course! Maybe she'll have Steve Thomas back to onstall new solar jewelry under there. She'd love another ride in the cherry picker to help him, I'm sure.
There's a space below the bottom horizontal rail and the deck itself. You can push under that, and through the vertical rails. You can also shovel and throw over the top.
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There isn't room on my bottom rail, but then again, I didn't have Matt Dude install our deck. I guess it just wasn't constructed correctly because the bottom rail is just inches from the floor of the deck! Yes, I just went outside and checked! I'm always reluctant to walk outside around the deck area in the dead of winter because I'm afraid I will find more cats in search of a home.
Ice! Ugh! I remember when I rescued my strays. Has it really been two winters ago? We had several ice storms that year, and there we were, chopping a path just narrow enough for the cats to get to the enclosed shelter I had constructed up against the house. I pitied them trying to walk over ice getting to a shelter. Then I felt sorry for them having to live inside the shelter, and you know the rest. I brought Fantine and Cosette inside when the temperatures were dangerously low, and let them outside when it warmed up a bit. It got cold again and I brought them inside and decided to adopt them, only to find out that in the short time they were outside, one of them managed to find an eager hormonal male in the neighborhood. Much to my surprise, I was presented with kittens in the bedroom. Those kittens have grown into beautiful cats, and they are seriously spoiled, live only indoors, having been adopted by a loving, caring family with two great kids who adore them. All's well that ends well, but no more kittens! Fantine and Cosette are very happy here. I am so glad you all talked me into adopting them!
Deck question...our deck is wood. With the new type of deck that Kate got, will ice and snow melting pellets stain and/or pit the deck?
I didn't say that she should have put the picnic table on the front porch. The table could have gone on the front lawn. I only said the grill. Nobody could see it. In fact she has an extremely large tree in front of it.
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Leslie, sorry to disagree, but you don't put picnic tables in the front yard around here, nor grills on the front porch, even if you can't see them. Aesthetically, that's a big no-no, and you don't want to have to move a table and benches every time you mow the yard.
All's well that ends well, but no more kittens! Fantine and Cosette are very happy here. I am so glad you all talked me into adopting them! ****** I remember that! I think a lot of us were awaiting updates and wondering how everything would turn out. You are amazing for caring so much and being so loving and generous.
I have never, ever thought that somehow I was short changed as a kid because I had to paint my own nails!
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Hey, at least you got to paint your own nails. We were never allowed to use nail polish, nor wear makeup, no piercings, no pants or jeans on Sundays...nothing. That would have been the work of Satan, and in our conservative PA Dutch community, we would have been heathen children!
We were lucky we were allowed to go to movies, but then again, never on Sunday!
Will the sheeple still be expecting him to arrange a class-action lawsuit for them, and will they set up a Go Fund Me account to pay off those fees and sanctions?
Kate, you screwed up royally for ever having been associated with him. She should have known better; the sheeple, not so much. That could be expected of them.
Is it me or does it seem Kate's hair changes lengths and fullness a lot? I watched the bonus clips and she's got different heads of hair it seems.
------------------- I think the volume depends if she washes it, but I don't know what would account for the length! lol! Of course, if she curls it, it would make it appear to be a bit shorter.
Any I bet she already purchased a generator for her house. I think the only reason she didn't have one before was because she was to stupid to know they even existed.
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Heated sidewalks AND heated driveway by the garage...all remote controlled.
Re-do the bathrooms and install heated floors, spa tub, tiled walls.
Large gazebo with firepit surrounded by brick landscaping. Seating will be those granite stools for $750 each. A large covered area to store cut wood.
A pond with a stream and multiple waterfalls. All surrounded by beautiful gardens and landscaping. Many, many planters, all with remote control individual watering lines hooked up to them.
Snowmobiles, one for each kid, and a manicured path thru the woods.
A covered walkway to the garage, with solar panels to keep it warm. Lattice work to accommodate the specially bred roses which will grow along the walkway.
A greenhouse, where she can grow all the organic veges she wants. That's a good one. I crack myself up.
If Josh never met her and her claims were not true, WHY didn't he do a press conference with an attorney and say that it wasn't true and they were going to fight it vigorously? IF it wasn't true.
Also, if he didn't do it, then WHY did he go to a long term camp rehab? He wasn't going because of his sisters and the babysitter. He had already did his construction counseling.
I believe her. She has to have something to prove he was there. A personal item he left, DNA, pictures. He is claiming he wasn't in PA at the strip club where she works.
What is going to happen if they show surveillance video of him walking through the front door and exiting?
Someone mentioned that Kate is socially awkward. I remember when I first came across Kate and couldn't figure out if she just ignored other people by deliberately avoiding them, walking with her head down because she was snubbing them, or if she was socially awkward and wouldn't know what to say to them.
I am surprised that bird is still alive the way those kids and Kate manhandle him. And Shoka...so close to her SUV when she was pulling out. Someone tweeted her about that and she blew that person off saying Shoka knows to get out of the way. Well, dogs don't always. A friend lost her golden when she hit him in her driveway. My father-in-law years ago accidentally ran over the family dog in their driveway.
When we were talking about TFW getting an intercom system, Andy Griffith was on and what a coincidence. Barney had put a intercom system in one of the jail cells.
Opie (tup) asks Barney what is it?
Barney(TFW) Says: It is a intercom. This is what this place has been needing. It is about time we (TFW/TLC) started modernizing this place electronically.
Andy (Steve) asks TFW: What are you going to do with it?
TFW: I am going to use it to communicate with the prisoners. You, know, tell them it is time for lunch, exercise time in the compound, got a visitor (crew daddies), or whatever.
Tup: Wouldn't be easier just to walk right over and tell them? (way to go, tup)!
TFW: They don't do things like that anymore! This is the age of science know-how, electronic marvels.
TFW to Steve: Hey, I didn't tell you the most important thing about this. This thing works the other way too. Whatever goes on in there, we will be able to listen in on it out here. Well, don't you get it? It is our own little spy in the sky.
Steve: What things will we listen to?
TFW: All right, I will show you.
TFW hoists up a tup and the tup says, hey lefty (L tup) me and you are busting out tonight.
Heated sidewalks AND heated driveway by the garage...all remote controlled.
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Oh, good one! Rip up the entire driveway and install heat under the surface so the snow and ice melts and she won't have to drag out her new snow blower toy.
PA Dutch Mom (#177), I tend to vote most heavily for the snubbing option. We've watched TFW with celebrities -- grinning, gushing, chatting up a storm. I think she clams up and/or looks away when having to deal with the mediocre.
“Every decision we’ve made has been done very thoughtfully and very carefully about what is in the best interests of the people involved and the network,” Daniels said. “Our first priority is making sure that there’s a health and well-being of our families first and foremost. We feature stories of different families with real people and real things happen.”
As the panel ended, the final question once again diverted from “Single Dad Seeking,” asking Daniels about the future of the Duggars at TLC, namely Jill and Jessa, who recently starred in their own three-part special.
“We just aired the three specials during the holidays. They did very well,” a clearly-frustrated Daniels said, citing the viewership of more than three million. “The audience clearly cares about these girls.”
As for the possibility of more episodes or a series centering around the sisters, Daniels said, “We’re still talking and considering it, but we have not made a decision yet.”
As the article pointed out TLC will also have a new series called "Single Dads Dating". You can read about that here:
"SINGLE DAD SEEKING... (working title) follows five single fathers working hard to raise their kids. As they strive to provide the ideal lives for their sons and daughters, they each feel that a critical piece of their family is missing. These dedicated dads are searching to find not only love in their lives, but also a woman willing to love their children. Enter five women, each without children of her own, seeking her happily ever after with a responsible, caring man. In addition to finding love, these women sincerely want to be mothers. None of them have found the opportunity-until now."
Guess TLC wasn't interested in a show about Kate called "Single Mom Seeking" and they decided to go with the male version. I do wonder if all her whining about how HARD it was for her to find a man because of her kids actually gave someone at TLC the idea for this show.
I haven't watched any episodes for gosh, I couldn't tell you how long. I just can't stand listening to her, but I do enjoy admin's recaps. Did she actually believe that the Blues Brothers were Elvis?
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Before the day is over I just want to say Happy Birthday, Elvis. You changed music history.
Over In TFW's County said... 163 There's a space below the bottom horizontal rail and the deck itself. You can push under that, and through the vertical rails. You can also shovel and throw over the top.
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There isn't room on my bottom rail, but then again, I didn't have Matt Dude install our deck. I guess it just wasn't constructed correctly because the bottom rail is just inches from the floor of the deck! -------------- It's only a few inches, but you can push the snow under, or between the vertical bars (balusters). We have a metal railing that was pre-formed with a small space below the lower bar. I believe there are strict regulations for deck railings, like there are for cribs. You can't allow enough space for a baby or child to get their body through and then hang from their head, so spacing is crucial.
I just realized that it would be harder to clear a deck with the super-expensive see-through panels for railings, because everything would have to go under the bottom or over the top. No between-the-balusers for those special snowflakes.
The website someone posted recommended a corn boom for clearing snow from a deck. Synthetic bristles aren't stiff enough and will get all bent if there is heavy snow.
I cleared a couple of cars that were covered in very wet snow. I gave up on the brush and used my arm to sweep the snow aside, where it naturally made big snowballs, like you'd make if you were making a snowman. I then carried the snowballs in my arms over to the snowbank and dropped them on. It worked better than brushing in onto the ground and then having to shovel up the mess.
“We just aired the three specials during the holidays. They did very well,” a clearly-frustrated Daniels said, citing the viewership of more than three million. “The audience clearly cares about these girls.” ****** Daniels is confusion "caring" with watching a car wreck. In other words, yes, there will be more filming of the "girls".
Her next project will be to have them install a moving sidewalk in the house and around the grounds so that she doesn't have to walk anywhere. Heated and covered of course!
Her next project will be to have them install a moving sidewalk in the house and around the grounds so that she doesn't have to walk anywhere. Heated and covered of course!
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I picture Kate in one of those sedan chairs with poles with two servants on each side carrying her from room to room Cleopatra-ish style. Ironically they're called 'litters'. lol
Kate replied to the tweeter who tweeted about avocado being toxic to birds:
Kate Gosselin Verified account @Kateplusmy8 · 2h2 hours ago @mommylajes85 I know!!! Thank you ... He stays far away from them... (Far enough!)
Aaden was standing right next to her with Zorro on his shoulder while she was scooping out the avocados. How is that "far away(far enough)"?
He was closer to the bowl that had the avocado in it than he was when he supposedly flew down onto the birthday cake.
I guess since Shoka knows to get out of the way when she drives the car down the driveway, Zorro also knows that avocado is toxic to him so he stays "far away" from it.
NJGal51 said... 191 It's also Soupy Sales birthday today. I always enjoyed his show.
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Yes! Way back when I interviewed celebrities for a national magazine, I had the pleasure of meeting him and sitting down and talking with him at length. He was very nice, gracious, humble, down-to-earth, and so funny! I was sad when he passed.
Her next project will be to have them install a moving sidewalk in the house and around the grounds so that she doesn't have to walk anywhere. Heated and covered of course!
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They will include built-in sunlamps, of course, so she can tan at the same time.
Before the day is over I just want to say Happy Birthday, Elvis. You changed music history.
He would have been 81 today.
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I can't imagine Elvis at 81. It just doesn't work. There is a website that did age progression, and I must say, though, that he really didn't look too bad as a senior citizen.
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 · 30m30 minutes ago @kateplusmy8 I must say that you have changed a lot! You've gotten funnier. I find myself laughing at something you say on each episode. 😆
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 21m21 minutes ago @msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 I've always loved her tongue N cheek sarcastic humor! Some take everything she says so serious &miss the LOLs!
Yes, hearing her calling the boys magic show "lame" was just knee-slapping, belly-laughing humor, right?
Milo-I would say her "tongue N cheek sarcastic humor" is more "foot N mouth hurtful remarks about her children.
But that's right, you don't care about the kids feelings any way, do you?
Just to emphasize more than the big projects, the girls were really mean to the boys at the magic show. They 'Booed' them, threw the coins at them, dissed the tricks and ate the chocolate meant for tips. They were a little nicer afterward, but honestly, that family is really pitted boys vs girls and twins vs tups. Now it's also vs Mommy. I know this was discussed upthread but in case anyone didn't see that part.
Oh- and I didn't see Deanna at the party, and I think the lady in yellow was not Carla- I thought it was at first.
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 931 Newer› Newest»Did anyone else notice , when the deck was finished, Kate voiced over that she invited FAMILY & Friends over to celebrate. With the word " family"..they showed an Asian woman holding a small Asian child , which Kate kissed on the forehead...wonder if they were related to Jon ?
Yesterday I was been out on our balcony sweeping snow and ice off it. If the surface scratches, you have to sweep snow off instead of shovel, and that is even more work than shoveling.
But that won't bother Kate. didn't she use a shovel to clear snow off one of her cars?
And you bring up another big drawback of a second story or higher deck. Maintenance. With a first floor deck you can let things go until they break and it's not a big deal to fix it when you get to ti.
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I am sure that if there are any problems with the deck, Mr. Deck Man will be there is a flash to make any repairs for his doll-baby, lesbian or non-lesbian.
KIAT As long as Goody is not DM about another Bullyville kinda person to hire again.Im not sure we or the critics on twitter should worry about it.
"they showed an Asian woman holding a small Asian child , which Kate kissed on the forehead...wonder if they were related to Jon?"
I just can't believe she would let Jon's family on her property. I assumed they were associated with the school, TLC, or maybe work for Kate somehow. Kate showing she has friends seems fake to me.
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KIAT As long as Goody is not DM about another Bullyville kinda person to hire again.Im not sure we or the critics on twitter should worry about it.
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Oh, I'm not worried about. I just found it funny that Goody said she received an email from Kate and replied to her, and then Kate gets on twitter all flustered because she either doesn't remember sending it or did not send it.
Like I said, I wonder if it was a joke between Milo and Goody to make Kate look like she emails her fans(yeah right) and Kate wasn't let it on the joke.
Here's the thing. Berks County is totally hilly. I can drive around and see lots of 2nd floor decks. So many houses are built on a hill with a walk-out basement. I don't hear about lots of accidents. Most of them are much more modest houses with modest decks (plain decks with no outdoor kitchen). These houses do not have pools. They only have one staircase not two. I've never seen a house with a second floor door to no where.
I think our main problem is we know Kate's reputation. Does she know the weight limit for the deck and how much snow is too much? Does she know that the furniture has to be put away or tied down in bad storms? Does she supervise her children?
This deck appears to be greed for the sake of greed. Give me more, more, more. It seems to have no point beyond I want. And I believe she uses these projects to get income without getting income. TLC gives her the deck and pays the taxes on the "income" and the kids get zip. She likely assumes she'll be able to sell the house for lots of extra bucks when the kids move out but it will be horribly overpriced for the area and an impractical house.
I think our main problem is we know Kate's reputation. Does she know the weight limit for the deck and how much snow is too much? Does she know that the furniture has to be put away or tied down in bad storms? Does she supervise her children?
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Absolutely. And that's the point. Do I trust responsible deck owner, like the poster here who decided to lock the because there were little children about? Of course. I don't have the first fear an accident would happen if people are being responsible.
But do I trust irresponsible deck owners who time and time again don't keep a good watch on their kids (one example of dozens, the kids driving the four wheeler and Kate not knowing) and time and time again don't understand and suck at maintenance? Absolutely not. And Kate's in that category, there's no getting around it. I hope she never has any problems or accidents on that deck, I really do.
As for the second-story deck, her kids' safety has never, ever been a priority with Kate. I'd like to see the insurance she has on them. 200
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I'll bet that's part of her TLC contract.
@Kateplusmy8: I found http://wayfair.com (no. Not a promo AT ALL. Just an amazing website!) #ItBecameAProblem @TLC #KatePlus8
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TFW included TLC in the tweet. I think we all know the reason!
Seems like a lickspittle on Twitter is narcing on fake Instagram accounts that probably belong to the twins.
Shouldn't Kate's computer genius "manager" be on top of this stuff?
Did she also score a new grill? The one shown at 38:01 looks nothing like the grill in this picture(which she tweeted back in 2012).
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Of course she did! She now has TWO grills (don't all scrimping and saving, piecing and patching single moms? and all of us for that matter!?).
She now has one brand new grill on the new deck and one downstairs on the patio (underneath the new deck - the new deck was built on top of the roof above the old patio). So, double (or triple or more?) of everything in that house. SMH Because she's lazy and she's greedy.
Weighing in on the deck...
It's a beautiful deck, and I'm sure that anyone would be happy to have one like that, but I wonder how much use she will get out of it, or is it just to impress for the sake of impressing? Oh, that's right. It's for well-being and health. Got it.
If she is serious about entertaining, she should have opted for an area near the pool. She could have built a multi-level deck there, anchored by a large gazebo where she could have put a sizeable table, comfortable chairs. It would provide shade for adults who don't want to be in the sun, but want to be in close proximity to the pool, either for themselves or to supervise their kids. The deck could contain more tables, umbrellas, lounge chairs, storage benches and the grill. That way, with everyone congregating around the pool, it would be a great area for entertaining. When you have summer parties, you want to be near the pool, on that level...that's the purpose of having a pool and entertaining there. She certainly has enough land to built additional structures by the pool.
But that's just me. Perhaps that will be her next construction project... TWO decks, an upper deck for adults and one for kids by the pool. Then again, she'd have to walk to the pool deck/gazebo with the food, or she could just have the parties catered and not have to do anything.
Where is she going to store those pillows, blankets and cushions? Will the children have to carry those things (and possibly chairs) downstairs to the unfinished basement? Enclosed storage space was not mentioned in the reviews I read. If the deck faces north she can get by without covering it from the sun, but it will need protection from rain and snow.
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She bought covers for everything.
I guess she plans on covering and uncovering everything every time she plans on using the deck. I bet she tires veryyyy quickly doing that every time. Or, I should say, the kids will tire of doing that every time for her - if she lets them touch anything out there. During the winter I'm sure the kids will be tasked with schlepping everything to either the garage or the basement.
I think her control issues are getting worse rather than better now that the kids are older and more capable of helping or doing things themselves. She wouldn't let the kids wipe up a spill on the deck - she had to do it, screeching and almost pushing them away, saying 'only me' when one of the kids offered. She made the sign for their lemonade stand. Tell me what kid doesn't love and take pride in making signs? But, she butted right in and did it.
#9 Should read : Katie pay for insurance?
This deck appears to be greed for the sake of greed. Give me more, more, more. It seems to have no point beyond I want. And I believe she uses these projects to get income without getting income. TLC gives her the deck and pays the taxes on the "income" and the kids get zip. She likely assumes she'll be able to sell the house for lots of extra bucks when the kids move out but it will be horribly overpriced for the area and an impractical house.
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You have a good point that explains why Kate is waxing on about how the deck benefits the kids. She gets home improvements and they get diddly squat, or 1/8 of diddly squat.
I'm sure Kate will jack up the price of that house when she sells, and she will sell it. I can't see it being her forever home. It's ridiculous to live there alone.
Kate will up the price of the home to reflect the cost of all those filmed additions, but that's just not how it works.
I think she's actually decreased the value with some of it.
Have fun getting the snow off that deck.
Oh, that's right. It's for well-being and health. Got it.
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Does is strike anyone else that's the same verbiage that applies to how Kate can dip into the kids' earnings to support them?
When you have summer parties, you want to be near the pool, on that level...that's the purpose of having a pool and entertaining there. She certainly has enough land to built additional structures by the pool.
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That deck is going to be hot as shit in the summer. Even with umbrellas, the reflected heat from the decking is going to be sweltering.
She now has one brand new grill on the new deck and one downstairs on the patio (underneath the new deck - the new deck was built on top of the roof above the old patio). So, double (or triple or more?) of everything in that house. SMH Because she's lazy and she's greedy.
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When you piece and patch, you can have two of everything. And yet the fans believe that she's still a poor, struggling mom of eight and that Jon is dead. They will never understand her greed and self-entitlement and that most people would be thrilled to have just a fraction of what she has, and yet she still wants more and will never be satisfied.
Tucker's Mom (#17), yes, like when she pays for the monthly spa visits because Beth told her it would make her a better mommy.
She mentioned the twins ordering some LexLos merchandise the other day. Does she pay for that out of their bank accounts or hers? And do the boys ever get such "just because" treats?
Kate will up the price of the home to reflect the cost of all those filmed additions, but that's just not how it works.
I think she's actually decreased the value with some of it.
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Yes. It has been over-improved for the area, and although she didn't put in the pool, it doesn't add anything to the resale value.
Seems like a lickspittle on Twitter is narcing on fake Instagram accounts that probably belong to the twins.
Shouldn't Kate's computer genius "manager" be on top of this stuff?
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Are you talking about the road manager? Perhaps he was too busy riding someone to notice.
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KIAT As long as Goody is not DM about another Bullyville kinda person to hire again.Im not sure we or the critics on twitter should worry about it.
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I wouldn't worry about it if she were e-mailing about another such person, but like KIAT, it was rather amusing, especially since Gladys got into it.
Question for those who are familiar with composite decking as opposed to wood...do the decks get moldy and green if they are in a damp area, particularly if there are shade trees surrounding the deck?
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lol! I wondered.
Yes, I wouldn't doubt if she has those kids heavily insured. They're valuable income to her. Who would she be without them?
Just like Dolly Parton. Even with all her talent, without her boobs she'd probably not be as famous. btw, her two girls are also insured. lol!
She mentioned the twins ordering some LexLos merchandise the other day. Does she pay for that out of their bank accounts or hers?
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Maybe they get a weekly allowance.
Why, exactly, would she need an outdoor kitchen, when her new deck is just a few steps from her regular kitchen? She uses paper plates for everything anyways, is it so hard to grap a stack and bring it outside? Now the woman has THREE kitchens. The main kitchen with a huge 6-burner stove and 2 dishwashers, the small extra kitchen in the basement, and the new deck kitchen. I also agree that her deck would cost at least $75K-$100K. TimberTech is more expensive than standard cedar, and she has 2 sets of stairs (regular and spiral-also more expensive). The very large size, and not a simple square or rectangle, ups the price. Add new grill and outdoor kitchen, deck furniture and blankets/cushions, and you are approaching a small mortgage.
Does is strike anyone else that's the same verbiage that applies to how Kate can dip into the kids' earnings to support them?
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Absolutely. That's the first thing I thought about. It is the same wording that stipulates the purposes for which the kids' funds may be accessed.
rhythm, composite decking can get green but just pressure wash or spray on a mildew remover and hose off. Sometimes you have to brush in the mildew remover if you don't keep up with it. It's a yearly chore.There are a ton of products available at Lowe's or Home Depot and they are safe for plants with the water runoff. Composite decking is not maintenance free.
She could have put in a gazebo on one end of the deck for a shady area with a porch swing (my favorite thing), but the gazebo by the pool is an awesome idea too.
How about her screeching when she discover the iron table left rust marks on her brand new deck? By the way, she thinks she is oh so smart covering up everything. Well, I tried that with some resin furniture with cushions, and they still got wet and mine were better covers than hers. Better to just remove the cushions. Another job for the boys on their chore chart.
What is a deck kitchen? Is there a refrigerator, sink, cupboards? I didn't see a kitchen on the deck. Where is it located?
Frankly, I think she had no budget for the deck and furniture because she knew it was covered by TLC, if not all but a good chunk. It's like when they film her shopping and she NEVER looks at the price tags. If TLC wasn't covering her spending, I would say she would be just about be broke by now.
Good catch...health and well-being. Never heard that as an excuse to build a deck. Perhaps she had to publicly declare it because Jon thinks she is squandering the kids' money?
Turtle Logic said...
Now the woman has THREE kitchens.
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Well, the joke"s on her. She can't cook no matter which one she chooses.
I'm not sure why everyone is so worried about the snow load. There are lots of decks on buildings in areas where they get a heck of a lot more snow than she does. Building codes would set the standard so I'm sure it would never be an issue. The Deck_Douche would be able to answer that question.
Besides, the trees in her driveway survived a #Superfun blizzard, didn't they?
There are lots of decks on buildings in areas where they get a heck of a lot more snow than she does. Building codes would set the standard so I'm sure it would never be an issue
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Oh no for a second story structure like this it's imperative you remove the snow after a heavy fall or seriously compromise its integrity. Snow may look light and fluffy but it can pack on serious, and dangerous pounds.
She should have purchsed Tropitone deck furniture. Cushions are quick dry, with Sunbrella fabric which is fade resistant. No need to remove from the rain. They dry in about 10 minutes. The frames are heavy duty and don't rust.
The non-cushion furniture is super comfortable and extremely quick dry. They are all heavy enough that they don't blow around in the wind.
No need to cover any of it except for the winter. I put what I can in the shed, and cover the rest.
It's the most awesome deck furniture ever, well worth the expense.
Sounds like she didn't do her research there.
I remove the snow from my deck, anything over 2". The installer said it wasn't safe to leave the snow on the deck. He said leaving snow on the deck also causes the deck to deteriorate faster.
Oh no for a second story structure like this it's imperative you remove the snow after a heavy fall or seriously compromise its integrity. Snow may look light and fluffy but it can pack on serious, and dangerous pounds.
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Yep. The weight of snow an be deceiving, and depending if we get ice along with it, it can absolutely compromise the integrity of the deck. I recall last winter, when we had so much snow and ice coming on a regular basis, that there were photos of decks that collapsed when snow wasn't removed. I even remember a reminder put out on a local channel about the importance of removing snow on second level decks.
I got to hand it to TLC. Because their "talent" is only interesting for so long, they pour money into things and situations and have their "talent" react for a tv show. Lack of self-awareness and greed are a turn off. That deck is a manifestation of all that is wrong with Kate's show, herself, and the people who admire her. Nobody begrudges someone installing a deck, but for Kate to behave like she deserves that deck and to lie that she scrimped and saved for it is just insulting to viewers. Keep watching if you want to be taken for a fool, sheeple. If you knew someone in your life like Kate, would you be friends with her? Would you tolerate her entitlement? No self-awareness as to other's needs? The only opinions that count are Kate's? Attention seeking? Demanding? Deserving happiness at the expense of others? More take than give in relationships? The list is endless. Yeah, she's a great mother and isn't it fun to watch her children serve her? That deck: all about Kate, a monolith structure that proves she is better than everyone else, deserves it, and another way to terrorize the kids with her rules.
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Oh no for a second story structure like this it's imperative you remove the snow after a heavy fall or seriously compromise its integrity. Snow may look light and fluffy but it can pack on serious, and dangerous pounds.
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Sorry to disagree, but snow doesn't weigh more when it's on a second story deck. As the guy in this article states, you only start to worry if the snow level reaches the tops of the 3 foot railings. If it gets higher than that, you start to shovel if the construction is sub-par.
Decks are rated for a greater snow-load than roofs.
Perhaps the locals can tell us if she gets more snow than they do in Boston or other snow-belt areas.
http://boston-decks-and-porches.com/2011/01/11/will-snow-damage-my-deck-this-winter-tips-for-clearing-snow-from-your-deck/
I think Kate's deck "kitchen" is simply a grill that is built-in with L- counters and storage underneath. I didn't see a sink or refrig. I saw some woman open a silver cabinet that is beneath the long counter and I thought for a moment that it may be a small refrig. But it had two handles on it and it matcedh a smaller silver cabinet on the right side of the grill. And Kate mentioned they made room for her to store stuff. Therefore I don't think it really qualifies as a kitchen at all. Of course Kate refers to it as a kitchen because Kate lies to make herself better than everybody else.
I don't think Kate really entertains much at all. She said they have one or two parties in the summer. And she said they have some gatherings. Well, one of the parties is probably for the tups birthdays and another for July 4th. And Kate does not swin so she probably doesn't use the pool other than to sunbathe. So therefore she is not interested in her "kitchen" being by the pool. She simply wanted a great looking place for her kids or herself to disperse to when the noise is too loud and also easy access to grill and eat. And I think she solved those issues with what she did. Her kids will pay the price with all the snow shoveling, hosing, powering washing, sweeping, cushion removal and storage, etc. Kate has 8 slaves to do that work for her. You know just like she had her 8 kids pay for her deck.
I just thought about my sister who built a lovely home with a true out door kitchen. It has a true built in grill (Kate bought one and stuck it in concrete), small refrig. and sink. It is all under cover with a large tv and fire pit. And after two summers they hardly use it. I mean rarely. My sister is the one in the family that buys to simply show off to the rest of the family. The sad part is the whole family is so sick of her talking about money that they really don't want anything to do with her. And believe me nobody is jealous of her. Everybody feels sorry for her. It is sad and my sister will never get it.
One other comment, I don't think anbody has mentioned Kate's firepit. Well, of course she has one. It is over by the pool area on the opposite side of the "kitchen".
Does is strike anyone else that's the same verbiage that applies to how Kate can dip into the kids' #28 earnings to support them?
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What are you referring to?
Kate Gosselin
Kate Gosselin – Verified account @Kateplusmy8
@jennxsassy I've reported both of these accts and IG hasnt responded. It's very very disturbing! I'm sorry you were fooled:( thx4reporting!
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Hop to it, Instagram! Kate has commanded you!
I looked at that Instagram screenshot and it's comprised of photos she posted on Twitter! If you put it out there, people will copy. What does she expect?
Leslie said... 44
Does is strike anyone else that's the same verbiage that applies to how Kate can dip into the kids' #28 earnings to support them?
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Kate has the discretion to take money out of the kids accounts for their care- "well being", health, education, clothing- and I can see her using that reasoning to spend $$$ on a gratuitous deck.
It's nonsense to reason that a deck is life-enriching for the kids.
It's Kate projection her wants on her children, once again.
As I said earlier, most parents sacrifice so that their kids can do sports, activities, Scouts, camp etc. Not additions to a 7K square foot home which Kate is already bitching about being too small.
Kate needs to think up an excuse for her en suite next. Hmm...Mady needs a better soaking tub?
When the deck was under construction, she said she ordered a fire pit. I previously mentioned that.
I agree. Kate calls the built in Weber grill a kitchen. I did wonder why she kept bragging about a kitchen. The point was to have close access to her ginormous real kitchen. It would have made sense, if she did not do this, to have included a small fridge so people don't have to go inside for their drinks. In fact, what about an undercounted ice maker too? I did not see that and that is something you would want to include for the ultimate party deck.
Looking at that mug during the couch interview, (deck talk) it's obvious Kate's had some work again, Botox, fillers, etc. The perfectly smooth surface looks plastic an unnaturally hard. The years of tanning, the botox and fillers, the heavy makeup ...the look is artificial and unattractive. Nothing natural.
The toast was pathetic. Those adults, were friendly with Kate, but they were not her friends. I am certain as she was toasting, (not to them, but about the money spent) they had to be thinking how sad this was.
Good to know the kids have friends over.
"Not a dollar spent wasn't mine." In my mind this awkward syntax translates to, "TLC paid me with a deck."
In her ode to the deck, was there any mention of estimates, how she found the company? My guess is no.
I continue to think about how she used the Gosselin family, most especially Jon. His peaceful laid back family never knew what hit them. This woman who still moans about so much that was lacking in her childhood, made the Gosselin's, most especially Jon make up for it.
And of course the churches, Beth and Bob Carson too, she ran right over them.
Pay no attention to the greed behind the curtain, I am the great and powerful mom of 8 and this is about my children's health. The lawsuit, against the father of her children, which she voluntarily dismissed with prejudice within only a couple of months after she filed the suit, wasn't that also for the health and safety of the children? Not vengeance, not unresolved bitterness or hatred, no it was for the children.
I think all of it, is about the infinite empty unresolved want of little Katie Kreider. The more she alienates, the bigger the emptiness gets.
I agree the snow issue for that deck is moot. This is not some ol' rickity rotten wood deck.
Okay, Gosselin historians (Gosstorians?), can someone tell me what episode this was from?
Jon was talking to TFW about a low fridge with a drawer you pull out for cold drinks that was reachable to the kids, and she scoffed and said something like, what planet are you from? Can you imagine how beaten down that man felt when his wife was repeatedly dismissive of him -- and on camera for the world to see, yet?
I agree the snow issue for that deck is moot. This is not some ol' rickity rotten wood deck.
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It doesn't matter. Over time snow weight on even the finest of second story decks or structures can compromise its integrity. I wouldn't mess around with it.
Like others have said, every year local authorities warn people to remove excessive snow from such structures. In some communities you can even be cited for not doing so.
It's going to be a big job to remove the snow and ice from that deck all the time. Add it to the boys' chores.
I think the State of Pennsylvania wants their funding back. The churches too, all of the charities that gave tens of thousands in those early years. Has there been any giving back?
Sorry to disagree, but snow doesn't weigh more when it's on a second story deck.
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No one said it does. Huh?
The problem is the empty space underneath. Physics dictates it simply can't hold as much weight as a solid foundation on solid ground.
Obviously, snow is usually not a problem on a structure with a foundation build on solid ground. It's unnecessary to shovel off a porch built directly on the ground. Rarely, enough snow piles up on roofs where it's a good idea to shovel it off.
Trust me, I lived in the snow belt for my entire childhood. Everyone had to shovel off balconies and decks all the time or risk catastrophe. PA gets enough storms a year to keep an eye on it. There are dozens of accidents a year because people don't think.
Flimsyflamsy, I don't recall that episode. I did watch in the early years. I think anything Jon wanted was crapped on. I can't recall a moment where she was positive or supportive of anything he wanted to have or do. Still breaks my heart what she took from that family.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 51
Okay, Gosselin historians (Gosstorians?), can someone tell me what episode this was from?
Jon was talking to TFW about a low fridge with a drawer you pull out for cold drinks that was reachable to the kids, and she scoffed and said something like, what planet are you from? Can you imagine how beaten down that man felt when his wife was repeatedly dismissive of him -- and on camera for the world to see, yet?
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It was from the episode about the kitchen renovation, titled "Renovations and Vacations". It's on Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKtvr1oMQxQ
The part where Jon and Kate are discussing the renovations with the kitchen designers starts about 3:00.
I looked it up and it is Beach and Kitchen Reveal with the date Aug. 10, 2009. I remember because Jon stayed home and Kate left for the beach. At least I think that was the episode where they discussed the kitchen remodel.
P.J. said... 33
Turtle Logic said...
Now the woman has THREE kitchens.
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Well, the joke"s on her. She can't cook no matter which one she chooses.
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How about the apartment over the garage? That's got to have a kitchen, too.
Sue_Buddy said... 30
What is a deck kitchen? Is there a refrigerator, sink, cupboards? I didn't see a kitchen on the deck. Where is it located?
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I wouldn't consider it a kitchen unless it had running water, too. I don't think Kate's does.
There are nice units which are built around grills and have counter space and storage.
Not a kitchen.
I think her face looked a little lumpy, particularly around the mouth...Juvederm? It puffs up stuff. And she had her roots touched up. I don't know where that spa was, but I bet she goes there for her French tips and hair. Glad the tups enjoyed it. Why not Cara and Mady? Seems those two got less air time; maybe there was some extra editing done because of all the criticism. They are still obnoxious. And for the magic show...did you notice they did not let go of their phones? And Kate was not the boys' assistant. She plopped herself next to them for camera time and to give the girls the evil eye. Of course she darn well knew the candy coins would be used as weapons. Any mom could predict that!
Yes, Leslie. Jon was more in touch with his kids' needs than Kate. An under counter fridge is great for young kids to help themselves rather than have your high end double door fridge opening and closing all day. I think at that point in the marriage, Kate didn't care what she said to Jon on camera. Quite sad. And she was filmed having a great time with Steve in NC.
How about her screeching when she discover the iron table left rust marks on her brand new deck? By the way, she thinks she is oh so smart covering up everything. Well, I tried that with some resin furniture with cushions, and they still got wet and mine were better covers than hers. Better to just remove the cushions. Another job for the boys on their chore chart.
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Cushions really should be stored when not in use and kept dry if possible. Even Sunbrella fabric.
We installed one of those storage shelves that hangs from the ceiling, in the garage, that's JUST for our patio cushions.
I never really thought about how much space they take up until I had them all.
Hop to it, Instagram! Kate has commanded you!
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I know, seriously! It's 10pm est, why isn't anyone deleting these accounts immediately?!
MACH SCHNELL!!!!!!!!
The lawsuit, against the father of her children, which she voluntarily dismissed with prejudice within only a couple of months after she filed the suit, wasn't that also for the health and safety of the children?
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Yes! Another ridiculous assertion. I'd call it emotionally abusive to her kids and Jon.
It was preposterous to imply that Jon was/is a danger to his own children.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 51
Okay, Gosselin historians (Gosstorians?), can someone tell me what episode this was from?
Jon was talking to TFW about a low fridge with a drawer you pull out for cold drinks that was reachable to the kids, and she scoffed and said something like, what planet are you from? Can you imagine how beaten down that man felt when his wife was repeatedly dismissive of him -- and on camera for the world to see, yet?
January 8, 2016 at 5:53 AM
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On camera and in the filming moment, in front of other people.
I'm pretty sure at the time that I related how I felt for Jon, having an ex that would do the same to me; put me down and marginalize me in front of other adults.
It was mean and cruel, and the fact of the matter was, Jon's suggestion was excellent.
Kate's ignorance and utter disdain for Jon kicked in like an addict mainlining heroin, and her disgust for Jon just came spewing forth, without filter or regard for him.
Her pseudo-apology was self serving and completely inauthentic.
Tucker's Mom (#64), and as I've said before, the most ridiculous part of that suit she filed for her kids' safety is that she left town soon after for some sort of promotional tour. So your 8 kids' safety is in jeopardy, but you feel comfortable hitting the road? With a bodyguard? If you had to leave, why not leave the bodyguard with the kids?
I don't know where that spa was, but I bet she goes there for her French tips and hair.
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Kate mentioned the name of the spa on the show--Bell Tower Salon & Spa, which is in Wyomissing.
Remember this tweet? It was posted on August 20, 2015. The tweeter later deleted it.
Ashley Weidman @Chapppyash
Just finished filming some massage magic for Kate Plus 8, imma be a TV star
ya'll
This person is a massage therapist. Wonder how she feels now since her part was apparently cut from the show.
It doesn't matter. Over time snow weight on even the finest of second story decks or structures can compromise its integrity. I wouldn't mess around with it.
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The big thing for me with decks and snow is that if you don't get shoveling, you wind up with ice under the snow. That ice is impossible to get off (not going to chip at it and ruin the deck) and you're at the mercy of the sun and temperature.
Slippery!
She plopped herself next to them for camera time and to give the girls the evil eye. Of course she darn well knew the candy coins would be used as weapons. Any mom could predict that!
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Did the girls throw candy AT the boys?
In the snipped I saw, the kids were in the basement pushing and shoving before Kate beckoned them to the kitchen by stomping on the floor.
BTW, I finally looked at the preview for next week's show "School Prep". The "one more summer project" mentioned in the synopsis is Kate and the kids refinishing the picnic table.
I wonder if that was also filmed back in July when the back to school shopping was filmed.
After showing all the new stuff that Kate got for the deck, they're now going to show Kate being frugal refinishing the picnic table?
More must see TV!!
So what will the next renovation be? Maybe a
jacuzzi and an indoor gym? Um, you know, for the twins' 16th birthday? Yeah, that's the ticket -- for the twins!
Last comment on decks and snow-load. PSF is PSF no matter whether a deck is 3 feet off the ground or 20 feet off the ground. (PSF = pounds per square foot) I'm excluding decks built directly on the ground.
This article discusses building codes and PSF.
http://www.decks.com/how-to/636/how-many-psf-does-my-deck-need-to-support
"For a residential deck, the code requires it be designed to support a minimum 40-psf live load. The live load is the external force applied to a deck due to the activities of its use. People, furniture, and any other movable, physical object on the deck are covered under live load. In commercial buildings, the minimum live load required by the International Building Code is determined by the anticipated use of each space, and thus the anticipated density of people in the space. For assembly uses, such as restaurants, churches and music venues, the minimum live load is 100 psf. Conventional deck construction can support greater live loads by using larger dimension lumber or closer spacing of joists and beams. For residential decks designed for entertaining large groups, it’s not a bad idea to overbuild it from the minimum 40 psf required by building codes."
"In regions with heavy snowfall, the snow load may exceed the 40-psf live load. In those instances, allowable spans for larger live loads can substitute for an equivalent snow load. For example, a span table for 60-psf live load could be used for a region with a 60-psf snow load. Some conditions may require additional design consideration, such as areas subject to drifting snow or sliding snow from roofs above. Those loads act on the deck differently and more substantially than live loads."
From the article I posted earlier.
"♦ Don’t shovel your deck to avoid collapse. Building Codes require decks support more snow than most roofs. A properly built deck is not likely to collapse from the weight of snow. Read the engineering details in my blog post last month or just skip to the conclusion: “Here’s a rule of thumb: Your deck rails are probably 36” high. Don’t worry until the snow is above your rails (deeper than 3 feet.) If you can see the rail tops, you’re OK — even with a little rain.” When snow is deeper than 3 feet, begin to worry. When snow is deeper than 3-1/2 feet, begin to shovel."
If her deck was built by professionals (it seems it was) and the proper inspections took place (who knows?) I don't think she has anything to worry about.
I haven’t posted for a long time but read almost daily
When Kate got her new deck and outside kitchen it dawned on me her attitude about new things parallels Matt Roloff. Matt is always in a hurry to get something built whether he needs it or not. Once it’s built (e.g. man cave in an outlining barn) it used a bit and then he forgets about it, moving on to the next project. And he doesn’t maintain anything that he just had to have. All his projects are filmed by TLC, so my guess is TLC is footing the bill for the new must have project.
What does Kate do, she needs a new deck and an outside kitchen. Probably she doesn’t stop and think whether she needs it or more to the point will she use it after the cameras are turned off. She, like Matt, is thinking about the next project that they can get for their house or farm (probably) with TLC picking up the bill.
They’re also sly like a fox. These home improvements has the possibility of increasing the value of their property. And whose will benefit from this, not TLC but Kate or Matt when it comes time to sell. I know there’s always the caveat that they over improved their property and won’t recoup the expenses. My take on this, they’re not thinking about possibility, only the potential return on investment
#47 - Oh, I must be slow. I never put together the verbiage of health and well-being with using money from the kids' 15% fund to build the deck. No way in hell would any judge ever agree that she needed to build this deck for the kids health and well-being. My guess is she just said that to be saying it. She had to make it seem like this deck greatly benefited the kids because she always claims everything she does benefits them. Personally, I don't even think she attempted to use the kid money. She has tremendous savings and a huge yearly income to pay for that deeply discounted deck.
That health and well-being claim is as stupid as her other statement that they will probably never (or rarely) use her "real" kitchen again. That is so dumb.
Does Kate have a grill built-in on that huge stove/oven she has? If she doesn't she was stupid not to get one. I can see why she would want to grill once in a while but like somebody said she cooked the salmon and shrimp in pan on her grill. That is not true grilling. I bet somebody was downstairs grilling the hamburgers while she was doing that.
Flimsy asked what will the next renovation be. I say an intercom system or a study built on her bedroom or off the family room. I remember she said she wanted one. I think her 800 sq. ft bedroom suite isn't big enough to house her computer and file cabinets (snark). Plus she probably wants to hang up all her photos up with the stars she met.
Turtle/AKA Amy2 (#73), nice to see you posting!
Yes, I can see the similarity between TFW and
Matt. The word I would use about their ideas
and plans is "grandiose." With Matt, I've always attributed it to some sort of overcompensation for his small stature. With TFW, I'd say it's pure greed and manipulation. As in, how far can I go before they'll say no?
There is definitely an emptiness in TFW that cannot be filled and we all know she is trying. No self-awareness is only part of the problem. Her issues are only magnified by being on TLC. I agree with thinking the kind family Jon came from didn't know what hit them. It's like after the hurricane came through, all are just left stunned and backing away. The Carson family come to mind here. Jodi and Kevin, also. We all know a lot of the story, but may never know all of it. Jon was just not strong enough to withstand the vicious attack. It's not over yet. Kids are far from grown.
I know there’s always the caveat that they over improved their property and won’t recoup the expenses. My take on this, they’re not thinking about possibility, only the potential return on investment
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Even with the improvements, renovations and additions, I don't think Kate could get what she paid for that house.
She should stop major investments and just deal with maintenance.
I'll tell you what would be a great addition to that house for the kids' well being and safety- a backup generator.
LaLaLandNoMore said... 77
There is definitely an emptiness in TFW that cannot be filled and we all know she is trying.
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It's always bigger, better, faster, more with Kate. What's next?
She wants what she doesn't yet have, and doesn't appreciate what's been given to her already.
I think she is going to put a lot of pressure on her kids to take care of her in every way because she'll be very lonely once their up and out. I can't see a sane, mature and decent man wanting to attempt a relationship with a woman with 8 kids, on television.
It will take another weak (or very greedy) man to capitulate the way Jon did.
I wonder why Kate didn't put her grill on her front porch before she built the deck. Does anybody know if her porch was larger enough for a grill. I know there was an area to the left when you existed her front door but I don't recall how large it was. I think that would have been much easier to do (if there was room) and then they could have eaten on a picnic table outside her front door. It seems that grilling chicken or other things would be time consuming. I would like to be near the kitchen so I could come in as wanted or needed to prepare the sides. But Kate never complain about being stuck one floor grilling when she wanted to be upstairs doing her normal routine. She only complained about hauling all the stuff down there.
I vote she enlarges the garage or adds another to house the twins' cars. The intercom system is small potatoes for her.
Where is the picnic table? It looked like she got a new table for the deck.
I understand perfectly the weight of snow on a 3 foot deck is the same as a deck at any other higher elevation. No one ever said otherwise.
The issue is if a 3 foot deck collapses because you never bothered to shovel the very heavy snow off, you're unlikely to die from a 3 foot fall. It's very simple.
If her deck is compromised, however, serious injury or death is a real possibilty because it's so high up. Thus, a much longer fall.
Great find, Kate is a Twit. The MASSAGE was not broadcast, and we can bet who got that! I wondered why she was just sitting at the spa watching the girls. Proves they film plenty that never makes it on TV.
The girls did throw the candy AT the boys. Kate even mentioned if during her couch interview. And she foot stomps to get the kids to come up from the basement???? How incredibly LAZY that is. Wow. And rude.
Complaining about hauling stuff downstairs when you have 8 pairs of hands and feet to help is ridiculous. She is ridiculous.
If a monster snow storm pounds Wernersville and Kate does not shovel off her deck and it collapses, oh well. I don't care. What I want is the RECAP!
Oh, when it does snow in Wernersville, you can certainly expect a Tweet with a picture of her snow covered deck, LOL. Yeah Kate, we know you read here.
Kate is a twit..67..
Good catch on this tweet....
Ashley Weidman @Chapppyash
Just finished filming some massage magic for Kate Plus 8, imma be a TV star
ya'll
TLC stinks said... 85
Great find, Kate is a Twit. The MASSAGE was not broadcast, and we can bet who got that! I wondered why she was just sitting at the spa watching the girls. Proves they film plenty that never makes it on TV.
January 8, 2016 at 8:29 AM
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The sheep just don't get this. Each 22 or 44 minute episode takes many hours to film. It just gets edited down to vignettes, where you can't or won't appreciate how much is left on the cutting room floor.
The film crews work long, long hours to catch everything. They're not deciding what gets into the final story arc, they just know they have to make sure everything is on film so it's there to choose from.
For hours each day of filming, there are cameras in the face, booms above the head, people milling about all around you, facilities shut down completely and velvet ropes and signage put up so the unwashed masses don't brush up against the talent.
Pick just one of those and it totally alters the experience. Now add them all together and you have an idea how the sausage is made.
Oh, and add on top of that, a rigorous schedule where no matter if you're sick, you must post.
This winter has been and continues to be mild, due to the El Niño effect.
In the future who knows. Large decks are difficult in Pa. I don't care what the material. And if you shovel, you can't let the shovel scrape the surface. Multiple snows, melting and freezing, rain it wears on anything man made. There are warranties for fading, I imagine they are pretty limited.
TLC stinks said... 83
Where is the picnic table? It looked like she got a new table for the deck.
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They did get a new table for the deck. They had, or still have, a picnic table on their patio(which is now below the deck). You can see it in this picture:
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/kate-gosselin-kendra-wilkinson-season-two-of-celebrity-wife-news-photo/162814953
That is the table that they were shown refinishing in the preview for next week.
I think she is going to put a lot of pressure on her kids to take care of her in every way because she'll be very lonely once their up and out.
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I'll bet they're all looking forward to going to a college or a job as far away from her as they can get when they're old enough to leave that nuthouse. My god there is no pleasing her. Listening to her ride their backs when they were trying to help set up the furniture on the deck was unnerving. The woman is a frenetic mess. She was screeching orders and upsetting all of them and yet wouldn't let them help when they tried to help. That's exactly what she used to do to Jon.
It's Kate who is exhausting to be around, not her kids.
On the Kate plus 8 FB page, under a post that says "summer projects are in full swing" they posted a picture of the picnic table that they are refinishing.
http://tinyurl.com/hgz4fvw
FlimsyFlamsy said... 71
So what will the next renovation be?
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My vote is fixing up her "unfinished" basement. Theater for movie night,extensive game room or god knows what else. Something to bribe the kids into filming even more. Or add on another room for more personal space when the deck isn't usable? (winter?)
Did someone say we don't get much snow in this area?
http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/photo-gallery-remembering-the-blizzard-of/article_9b319382-b57b-11e5-9fba-2bbce82e3009.html
So far, so good this year, with nothing yet. Keeping my fingers crossed!
This winter has been and continues to be mild, due to the El Niño effect.
In the future who knows. Large decks are difficult in Pa. I don't care what the material. And if you shovel, you can't let the shovel scrape the surface. Multiple snows, melting and freezing, rain it wears on anything man made. There are warranties for fading, I imagine they are pretty limited.
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She loves her snow thrower, so maybe she will try to use that on the deck! I just can't see her trying to shovel six inches of snow off a deck and not knowing where to go with the snow!
Leslie said... 81
I wonder why Kate didn't put her grill on her front porch before she built the deck.
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I have never heard of putting a grill and picnic table on a front porch, especially at an upscale home, no matter how convenient it might be.
The grill was in the back, off the daylight basement with the picnic table. That's where the patio is. That is where one usually grills and eats.
Another thing, Kate was acting like the burden of providing food for that deck was soooooo overwhelming. If you are organizish, she could have prepped much of that food the day prior. Also, with a big cookout, don't people usually bring a dish to share? They did not show anybody arriving with anything. Isn't that what "friends" do? I assume she did not prepare all that food but some was brought in, and not by the guests. The cookout was filmed so much of the food was provided by Figure 8 catering, IMO. And all her talk of grilling is ridiculous. Grilling is supposed to be relaxing and sharing time with your guests. She is too uptight so I don't think she does it often.
Does her gigantic upscale cooktop have a grill????
OT: Oregon wildlife refuge and people who won't leave! Discovery could do a great reality comedy show about this! one "patriotic" militia person was outed as never having served in the military, left wildlife refuge in disgrace. Another is from Utah, Family are appalled and embarrassed and his mother is sending his brother to fetch him home. Another asked for donations for the cause but spend a lot on a drinking binge at local restaurant. Rumors that the brave militia are actually going to a motel in town to sleep. They want land given back to people, and the Paiute tribe says, yes we would like it back, when will you hand it over? They are occupying a refuge that gets few visitors in winter so the staff doesn't really care. They have upset the Audubon Society the most! I read satirical article about how the birders planned to take back the refuge, using their sturdy walking sticks and powers of camouflage and stealth. I'm waiting for the whole group to get drunk and start shooting each other! Some ultra conservative media folks have accused some of the members of being FBI plants encouraging the others to break the law.
And the Twitter hashtags! #YallQueda. #VanillaIsis. #YeeHawd. #Cowliphate.
"Every successful revolution starts with takeover of closed visitor center with gift shop!"
Yeah, her next thing has to be big and bodacious.
An intercom has probably already been installed, thus the foreshadowing of stomping her feet to call them upstairs.
Likewise the dog siring puppies.
It appears that TLC has perhaps put the kibosh on big trips. Unless they can figure out some way to torture her with it.
I think they've put the kibosh on the big, flying first class, trips. You know, those 'posh' trips they never get to take. Like the one to Australia or the one to Alaska.
This is gonna be fun speculating on her next big item at the compound. We know she reads here so it'll be interesting to see which of our ideas she selects.
We should run a contest. Winner gets a keg of rumspringa and quality time with Auntie Ann in the shade of the veranda.
Ingrid (#95), a home theater is an excellent guess!
And before the big reveal, she'd say that the kids spent 99.9% of their time in her room, piled on
her bed watching TV, and she was worried about the orthopedic issues this might bring up for them.
So a home theater would be all about their health and well being. And suddenly the deck would be, like her children, just one more thing for her to complain about taking care of.
A heavy duty push broom works for sweeping decks and so does a gas powered leaf blower for light snowfalls. Keeping the deck clear shouldn't be a big deal if she stays on top of it. The boys will probably be assigned to do the job anyway.
Just watched the part of the episode where they went to the spa and the girls were getting their nails done. Kate’s doing her usual babbling during the couch interview about the girls choosing their nail colors:
“They have really, really pretty colors, but again, I’m beyond picking for them. Can’t pick clothes, can’t pick nail color, can’t pick book bags, can’t pick anything anymore. I just have to pay for it.”
Then it shows her in the nail salon, talking to the camera man, saying “They don’t realize how lucky they are, because I never ever went to a nail salon till I paid for it myself.”
Then when it goes back to the couch interview, she subtly manages to get a dig at Jon. “If the way MY situation turned out helps them to choose better and be happier and be more successful in marriage and in life...”.
Then it cuts out and it doesn’t it show her finishing the sentence.
WTF does choosing nail colors, book bags, etc. at 11 have to do with their choices in life and whether they have a successful marriage? Good grief!!
You can see that blathering at 18:40 in the video:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3l1qsc_kate-plus-8-season-4-episode-5-full-episode-hd-deck-party_tv
WTF does choosing nail colors, book bags, etc. at 11 have to do with their choices in life and whether they have a successful marriage? Good grief!!
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I guess if you choose a good nail color (oranges in fall, dark red in winter, light corals in spring, pink in summer) then the chances are that you will select a 'man for all seasons' as well, and the marriage will be successful. Makes sense, right?
At age 11, nail salons (if there even were any around here) was something we didn't do until we got to college, if then. Amazing that most of us managed to choose the right man.
Kate is a twit said... 94
On the Kate plus 8 FB page, under a post that says "summer projects are in full swing" they posted a picture of the picnic table that they are refinishing.
http://tinyurl.com/hgz4fvw
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IIRC, going way back to when I still watched the show, I believe this table was built for them, from "reclaimed" wood.
Kate praised the table but lamented it could have been bigger.
A heavy duty push broom works for sweeping decks and so does a gas powered leaf blower for light snowfalls. Keeping the deck clear shouldn't be a big deal if she stays on top of it. The boys will probably be assigned to do the job anyway.
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Dumb question -- if you have a second level deck with the railing going all the way to the floor of the deck, to where do you push the snow? Down the steps? You certainly can't hoist shovels of snow over the top of the railing, can you? That would kill your back.
Crawling back under the veranda where we don't need to worry about snow or ice.
Lanc Native said... 96
Did someone say we don't get much snow in this area?
http://lancasteronline.com/news/local/photo-gallery-remembering-the-blizzard-of/article_9b319382-b57b-11e5-9fba-2bbce82e3009.html
So far, so good this year, with nothing yet. Keeping my fingers crossed!
January 8, 2016 at 9:38 AM
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Yes, I remember that well, and will for the rest of my life. We had 2 bad winters back to back. I could tell soooooo many horror stories!
The snow. The ICE.
I didn't get mail for over 2 weeks. We were really socked in.
She loves her snow thrower, so maybe she will try to use that on the deck! I just can't see her trying to shovel six inches of snow off a deck and not knowing where to go with the snow!
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She's need a crane to get it up there!
Amen, Tucker's Mom. Total lack of appreciation is evident with TFW. I have seen some self-centered people in my lifetime. TFW is at the top of the list. She has a lot of living left to do. Most of it will not be filmed for entertainment. Hopefully, the 8 kids have air tight college funds and are able to go away for school. They will surely want to do just that.
This is gonna be fun speculating on her next big item at the compound. We know she reads here so it'll be interesting to see which of our ideas she selects.
We should run a contest. Winner gets a keg of rumspringa and quality time with Auntie Ann in the shade of the veranda.
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I'm already there. Does this mean I won?
My vote will be for an enclosed (maybe even heated) walk-way to the garage. Anyone who paid that much for a house with a detached garage wasn't playing with a full deck.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 103
Ingrid (#95), a home theater is an excellent guess!
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well, what else for their so called normal friday family movie nights. Doesn't everyone think they need a theater with reclining seats for it?
I'll tell you what would be a great addition to that house for the kids' well being and safety- a backup generator.
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Didn't she get a generator? I remember her asking if you could put it inside the house.
KIAT (#105), your transcript reminds me of why I can not, will not, watch this woman ever again.
What lessons does she want her kids to learn about marriage by her example? To not marry a nice guy who loves you, and is an attentive, hands-on parent? To kick your spouse to the curb when you have issues that might be resolved through counseling? To use your spouse for as long as you feel they are providing what you need, and then spit them out?
To badmouth your spouse to your children after the divorce, and ban the person from your property?
She is a horrible example of just about anything but successful grifting.
TimberTech @timbertech_deck 13m13 minutes ago
.@Kateplusmy8 gets decked out with TimberTech #decking and railing! See photos of her dream deck: http://bit.ly/1mIxZgr #timbertechdeck
Admin, you will be relieved to know that the deck has a RAILING!
Yeah, her next thing has to be big and bodacious.
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A husband?
This story is about the show that will be replacing Kate plus 8 Tuesdays at 10pm, starting Feb. 2.
http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/Sneak-Peek-TLC-to-Premiere-New-Series-RATTLED-22-20160108
Seems like TLC wants to get back to the original Jon and Kate dynamic--having babies and family conflicts caused by having babies. This is also the series that the Gardner quadruplets will be appearing in.
From the article:
"This winter TLC explores the scary, exhilarating, frustrating, joyful and ultimately life-changing experience of PARENTHOOD with new series RATTLED. As seen through the lives of four diverse couples from across the country, viewers will go along for THE RIDE as they watch these new parents experience a wide range of challenges, triumphs and milestones, for the first year of their newborns' lives. Executive Produced by Flower Films' Drew Barrymore and Nancy Juvonen, the new series premieres Tuesday, February 2 at 10/9c.
The couples featured all face different circumstances as they navigate how their new baby will fit into their already established lives. Whether it is balancing work and their newborn, feeling pressure from family members' about how they think the baby should be raised or making sure that their relationships with their significant others remain intact, they will never forget this period of adjustment in their lives.
The series will follow the evolution of these families as their babies enter the world, and what that means to each of them."
The rest of the article describes each of the 4 couples.
“They have really, really pretty colors, but again, I’m beyond picking for them. Can’t pick clothes, can’t pick nail color, can’t pick book bags, can’t pick anything anymore. I just have to pay for it.”
Then it shows her in the nail salon, talking to the camera man, saying “They don’t realize how lucky they are, because I never ever went to a nail salon till I paid for it myself.”
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Jeebus, woman. Thank God your children are capable of picking out clothes and dressing themselves.
Poor Charlene. She must be pretty tired of being thrown under the bus.
You know what? My mother never took me to a nail salon and I paid for myself the first time I went in my early 20's.
Some years later, when my mom came to visit me, I took her to a nail salon, which was her first pedicure ever.
It was such a wonderful experience and I was thrilled to treat her. She was almost giddy!
It brings tears to my eyes just thinking about it.
I have never, ever thought that somehow I was short changed as a kid because I had to paint my own nails!
Yes, I can see the similarity between TFW and
Matt. The word I would use about their ideas
and plans is "grandiose." With Matt, I've always attributed it to some sort of overcompensation for his small stature. With TFW, I'd say it's pure greed and manipulation. As in, how far can I go before they'll say no?
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At first quick read, I thought you were talking about Matt Deck Dude, and wondered how you know he is small in stature, how is he over-compensating, and what did I miss? lol!
Then when it goes back to the couch interview, she subtly manages to get a dig at Jon. “If the way MY situation turned out helps them to choose better and be happier and be more successful in marriage and in life...”.
Then it cuts out and it doesn’t it show her finishing the sentence.
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WTF is that supposed to mean? Don't marry a man like your father?
How about don't keep your bf's or DH's balls in a Dixie cup on your nightstand.
Then when it goes back to the couch interview, she subtly manages to get a dig at Jon. “If the way MY situation turned out helps them to choose better and be happier and be more successful in marriage and in life...”.
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She's shallow, and she owns it. I suppose spas and other upkeep might help you become a trophy wife someday to someone 30 years your senior, if that's what she wants for her girls.
A good man loves you for who you are, not the spas you can afford.
We have a plastic snow shovel that is used to clear the deck and stairs after each snow fall. Like most other split-level style houses in our area, the deck is right off of the upper level back door, so it's our "emergency exit" in case of fire. Never a bad idea to keep any and all exits from a house clear in case of emergency!
poor Kate, to get to the grill she had to leave the kitchen , down the hall, through the family room , down a long flight of stairs and through the unfinished basement. The same route she would have to take to reach her young sons in case of an emergency...hmmm. No worries there I guess.
I didn't say that she should have put the picnic table on the front porch. The table could have gone on the front lawn. I only said the grill. Nobody could see it. In fact she has an extremely large tree in front of it.
Your deck rails are probably 36” high. Don’t worry until the snow is above your rails (deeper than 3 feet.) If you can see the rail tops, you’re OK — even with a little rain.” When snow is deeper than 3 feet, begin to worry. When snow is deeper than 3-1/2 feet, begin to shovel."
If her deck was built by professionals (it seems it was) and the proper inspections took place (who knows?) I don't think she has anything to worry about.
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This article says nothing about ICE. This is frequently a problem in this area. Snow is one thing. Ice is an entirely different creature. We have snow, topped by ice, and very often a heavy crust of ice that is difficult, if not impossible, to remove. It brings down power lines and trees and I have seen photos of decks that have collapsed under the weight of snow and ice, regardless if building codes were followed or not. I just can't see her outside chopping through thick layers of ice. In the case of snow and ice, she does have something to worry about.
Kate! You took my advice and went to Bell Tower instead of NYC! (Actually I commented about that probably at least a year ago so I take no credit.) I've been to Bell Tower only twice but I liked it. But do you think she asked for 2 nights in NYC and some famous spa? I do. And she got a few hours in Wyomissing. Funny.
A good man loves you for who you are, not the spas you can afford.
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Nor the nail polishes you choose when you are eleven, nor the backpacks you carry in lower school.
I haven't watched any episodes for gosh, I couldn't tell you how long. I just can't stand listening to her, but I do enjoy admin's recaps. Did she actually believe that the Blues Brothers were Elvis?
Nicole Powers @Salemdaisy 38m38 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 - That wasn't 2 Elvis statues it was the Blues Brothers #kateplus8 #antiquing
I guess if you think that FDR is on Rushmore, then nothing would be surprising.
Dumb question -- if you have a second level deck with the railing going all the way to the floor of the deck, to where do you push the snow? Down the steps? You certainly can't hoist shovels of snow over the top of the railing, can you? That would kill your back.
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There's a space below the bottom horizontal rail and the deck itself. You can push under that, and through the vertical rails.
You can also shovel and throw over the top.
OK, we'll trust YOU over civil engineers and folks who make their living building decks
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Actually civil engineers and folks who make their living on decks aren't all on the same page. PJ found some who are comfortable with snowfall, fair enough, I can show you several other sites from around the web in which those very same people strongly recommend snow be removed from decks. Emergency officials also recommend it and some towns will cite you if you don't. I don't know what to tell you other than I can't tell you how many times I heard on the news growing up "shovel your decks". Reasonable engineers can disagree.
There does seem to be agreement on two issues: first, a well made deck is better than a poorly made one, and two, routine inspections of high decks are not only recommended but crucial. Kate did the first, but I doubt she has the brains to do the second.
My vote will be for an enclosed (maybe even heated) walk-way to the garage. Anyone who paid that much for a house with a detached garage wasn't playing with a full deck.
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That would have gone right on my "con" list ;-)
Blowing In The Wind said... 114
I'll tell you what would be a great addition to that house for the kids' well being and safety- a backup generator.
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Didn't she get a generator? I remember her asking if you could put it inside the house.
January 8, 2016 at 11:04 AM
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She did ask about getting a generator AFTER her power went out, and then asked if she could use it indoors. Yikes!
I'm talking about a whole-house generator that kicks in as soon as the power goes out. Not the portable, gas-powered generators which are meant to supply critical things like refrigerators and freezers.
Been awhile since I've commented, but I've been lurking!
So we know by now Kate has no self-awareness, but that whole deck party just boggles my mind. I would feel humiliated having to tell the TLC producers uh, I don't have any family or friends to invite so I guess I'll just invite the parents of the kids' friends. And oh my goodness, her toast was one of the most awkward things I have ever seen. Look at the body language and faces of the guests--they look so awkward. Here she is talking about the importance of friends and family...to a bunch of strangers. And you KNOW that they at least appreciated the irony.
I'm also willing to bet she didn't interact with them at all. Bet she hid in the kitchen and tried to appear busy all the time. She is so socially awkward, even interacting with the TLC crew. What a sad, sad life.
Other things of note: oh my goodness, when Leah called her out for gender stereotyping I wanted to cheer. I've noticed Leah has replaced Hannah as the golden child. I've seen some real tension between Kate and Hannah over the new episodes. Colin is either drugged or needs help STAT. He looks downright catatonic during the couch interviews. Magic show was further proof she doesn't know her kids and it was an idea from producers. The boys didn't even like magic and they didn't want to do a show. And grrr, typical Kate had to make it a competition. "Give coins to the one you like best!" She makes EVERYTHING a competition.
I'm babbling (and could go on)--but I had a lot to catch up on. Happy New Year, ladies (and gents) of the veranda!
Kate is a twit said... 118
This story is about the show that will be replacing Kate plus 8 Tuesdays at 10pm, starting Feb. 2.
http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/Sneak-Peek-TLC-to-Premiere-New-Series-RATTLED-22-20160108
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Sounds like typical TLC fodder. Not surprising and it amazes me they still keep such a stale show as K+8 filming.
I don't get it ;-)
Anyone who paid that much for a house with a detached garage wasn't playing with a full deck.
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Ha, I'm with you there!! You sound like my mother, who believed detatched garages in the Northeast are the Devil's workshop.
You know, she's right.
Layout, layout, layout.
Kate is a twit said... 118
This story is about the show that will be replacing Kate plus 8 Tuesdays at 10pm, starting Feb. 2.
http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/Sneak-Peek-TLC-to-Premiere-New-Series-RATTLED-22-20160108
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Actually, I think this concept can be very relatable to families. Kate stopped being relatable when she moved into a 1.2 million dollar home whilst grifting for Love Offerings.
The excess of Kate Gosselin has long ago become repulsive.
The digs and stabs sent from TFW toward her parents and Jon are just disgusting. What kind of people do that and get away with it on television? Well, we know she is being rewarded for such behavior at least by TLC. Poor, poor pitiful TFW. You are right, Admin, she certainly owns her shallow values. I have known people who grew up dirt poor with little to eat and rummage sale clothes to wear that do not blame or bad mouth their parents. TFW is offensive and certainly does not live in thanksgiving. I still want to laugh my head off when thinking about that "purse full of bills" on the Today Show. Never watched that program since. To allow someone that wealthy to make such an appearance was and is disgusting.
MiChi said... 134
Been awhile since I've commented, but I've been lurking!
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Happy New Year!
Kate and Charlie Sheen: Winning!!
TLC posted some webisodes that didn't make it to the final cut of the show. It does show the girls getting massages, and Kate mentioned that they also got pedicures. Guess the masseuse can be happy now that she made it TLC's website:
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/kate-plus-8/videos/spay-day/
Funny that the link says "spay day" instead of "spa day". Especially since there's also a webisode about Shoka having a "play date" with his girlfriend, Inka, who belongs to his dog groomer. Will Inka become Shoka's baby mama?
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/kate-plus-8/videos/doggy-play-date/
@Tucker's mom does this new show mean that they'll finally kick Kate 2 the curb and STOP filming the gosselin kids?I doubt it but i think that they'll film the sweet 16 special and whenever there's no other show on.
hot tub/Jacuzzi? Home spa?
MiChi (#124), good to see you! There is plenty of room on the veranda for everyone, so no lurking is necessary!
I didn't watch the show, but appreciated your comments. That toast sounds sterile at best, and
embarrassing at worst. For a speech like that with "family and friends," you would think someone would have an arm thrown around TFW, or vice versa.
Or a kid might naturally be hanging on to Mom, or have his/her arm around her waist. Some sort of support or affection between the people attending.
But, wow, that sounds more like a speech at some business convention. Why oh why would any of us
be jealous of her?
Ha, I'm with you there!! You sound like my mother, who believed detatched garages in the Northeast are the Devil's workshop.
You know, she's right.
Layout, layout, layout.
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Oh, for sure! When we were searching for a new home, I wouldn't even consider one with a detached garage, no matter how wonderful the property was! We did find a house, a gorgeous historic home with four finished levels, two stairways circular stairways off the main foyer, brand-new state of the art kitchen, stunning office with fireplace, original woodwork and trim, everything you could ever want in a home. However, the garage was a converted carriage house quite a distance from the main house, and even though the asking price was ridiculously reasonable, we didn't make an offer. There was no place to build another garage, and I just didn't want to make the hike through the snow to the garage, especially on brutal winter mornings. Kate doesn't have that far to go to the garage, but I'm betting that some kind of an enclosed space leading to the garage might be her next project.
Snow and ice on a deck. Articles mention snow, but nothing about the TYPE of snow. There is a light powdery snow and two feet or more likely wouldn't be an issue, and then there is a wet, very heavy snow that is very common in this area, and only a foot or so would add considerable weight to the deck. If you add ice to that, you could have a recipe for disaster if it's not taken care of immediately.
I'm sure she will figure it all out. If she has any problems, there's always Deckdude Matt to help 'doll' Kate with any concerns. Or she can ask her tweeties, who are always at her beck and call. I know, I know, Gladys would love to be her beck and call girl.
I would feel humiliated having to tell the TLC producers uh, I don't have any family or friends to invite so I guess I'll just invite the parents of the kids' friends.
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In fairness we don't have any knowledge that the adults were parents of the kids. Gee, I just defended Kate. This headache must be worse than I thougt.
This story is about the show that will be replacing Kate plus 8 Tuesdays at 10pm, starting Feb. 2.
http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/Sneak-Peek-TLC-to-Premiere-New-Series-RATTLED-22-20160108
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I saw the promo for this show when I was watching the new 600-pound Life show. It looks interesting, as long as those parents don't go the Kate route and fame doesn't go to their heads and they decide to put their kids on display for the next decade.
So is there one more Kate Plus 8 after THE DATE?
Lanc Native said... 129
Did she actually believe that the Blues Brothers were Elvis?
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Yep, she pointed them out as fat Elvis & skinny Elvis during the "Kate can't stop talking about which statue in each antique shop should be her new husband" episode.
Colin is either drugged or needs help STAT. He looks downright catatonic during the couch interviews.
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If he's on medication for whatever issues he has, it could be the result of that. Poor kid.
Off topic--
I just finished reading Dogtripping by David Rosenfelt, an account of moving the 25 dogs in his and his wife's rescue foundation from California to Maine. It is amusing, touching, sometimes heartbreaking, but one passage caught my interest in relation to reality tv and this blog. While trying to work out the incredibly complicated logistics of the move, they considered making it a reality show so the production company would provide the transportation and staff. They decided against it because they were uncomfortable with the constant scrutiny and felt "the chaos of a camera crew in our house with all the dogs was too horrible to even contemplate". The final straw was that the network insisted on "human conflict", so they ditched the idea and elected to fund and staff the move themselves.
These people wouldn't subject their dogs to reality tv while Kate serves her children up on a silver platter.
I'm talking about a whole-house generator that kicks in as soon as the power goes out. Not the portable, gas-powered generators which are meant to supply critical things like refrigerators and freezers.
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I don't know about your area, Tucker's Mom, but while it's a good idea in places where power goes out frequently and emergency electricity is needed (hospitals, etc), I'm not so sure that it's worth the expense here. Certainly it happens, but not that often to justify having it installed. Let her deal with her indoor/outdoor generator and if the house gets cold, she has a fireplace, or is it two or three? She certainly has doubles of everything else!
You know with all this talk about snow on the deck, she will probably just have the guy who does her extremely long driveway shovel her deck.
Any I bet she already purchased a generator for her house. I think the only reason she didn't have one before was because she was to stupid to know they even existed.
I didn't know that avocado was toxic to birds. I saw this on Kate's timeline:
AshliexoNicolexo @mommylajes85 · 29m29 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Kate please don't let zorro around avocado! It's extremely toxic to birds! It will kill him if he eats it.
I read up on it and the pit and skin are most toxic, but the flesh is also dangerous. The bird can go into cardiac arrest and die.
There's part of the show where Kate is scooping out avocados to make guacamole, and Collin is standing right next to her with Zorro on his shoulder.!
Fade2black (#151), wow, that certainly is a relevant comparison. This man had compassion and sense enough to not want to jeopardize the mental health of his animals, but TFW does not afford her own children the same consideration.
The sextuplets really were miracle babies, with
no long-term physical health issues from their premature birth. Yet their mother turned their childhoods into a sideshow, and continues to do so.
She bought that snowblower but I think she uses it just to clean near the garage and front door. Absolutely she does NOT do that long driveway.
jamezvader1194 said... 141
@Tucker's mom does this new show mean that they'll finally kick Kate 2 the curb and STOP filming the gosselin kids?I doubt it but i think that they'll film the sweet 16 special and whenever there's no other show on.
January 8, 2016 at 12:42 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me if TLC continues to film K+8. You just can't get enough of watching other people on lavish vacations, getting spa days and throwing balls to dogs ;-)
The final straw was that the network insisted on "human conflict", so they ditched the idea and elected to fund and staff the move themselves.
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Every.Single. Reality.Show. Is based on conflict. Too much peace and harmony breaking bad doesn't bode well for numbers.
Is it me or does it seem Kate's hair changes lengths and fullness a lot? I watched the bonus clips and she's got different heads of hair it seems.
Milo tweeted this video. Looks just like TFW.
WHY didn't she block her years ago?
https://twitter.com/MiloandJack/status/685505503376572416
Rattled does sound like back to the beginning for discovery! expecting couples, I'm assuming cute couples, adorable babies, maybe meddling in laws. Plus these are unknowns so the payment to the families will be low low low!
Kate Gosselin's Knight in Shining Armor James McGibney AKA Bullyville has just been handed history making documents and ordered to apologise every day for 365 days for his behavior! WINNING!!!
https://www.docdroid.net/jLRWru0/1a-press-release1-8-16.pdf.html
Next Project du Kate? Why, an under-deck ice and snow melting device, of course! Maybe she'll have Steve Thomas back to onstall new solar jewelry under there. She'd love another ride in the cherry picker to help him, I'm sure.
There's a space below the bottom horizontal rail and the deck itself. You can push under that, and through the vertical rails.
You can also shovel and throw over the top.
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There isn't room on my bottom rail, but then again, I didn't have Matt Dude install our deck. I guess it just wasn't constructed correctly because the bottom rail is just inches from the floor of the deck! Yes, I just went outside and checked! I'm always reluctant to walk outside around the deck area in the dead of winter because I'm afraid I will find more cats in search of a home.
Ice! Ugh! I remember when I rescued my strays. Has it really been two winters ago? We had several ice storms that year, and there we were, chopping a path just narrow enough for the cats to get to the enclosed shelter I had constructed up against the house. I pitied them trying to walk over ice getting to a shelter. Then I felt sorry for them having to live inside the shelter, and you know the rest. I brought Fantine and Cosette inside when the temperatures were dangerously low, and let them outside when it warmed up a bit. It got cold again and I brought them inside and decided to adopt them, only to find out that in the short time they were outside, one of them managed to find an eager hormonal male in the neighborhood. Much to my surprise, I was presented with kittens in the bedroom. Those kittens have grown into beautiful cats, and they are seriously spoiled, live only indoors, having been adopted by a loving, caring family with two great kids who adore them. All's well that ends well, but no more kittens! Fantine and Cosette are very happy here. I am so glad you all talked me into adopting them!
Deck question...our deck is wood. With the new type of deck that Kate got, will ice and snow melting pellets stain and/or pit the deck?
I didn't say that she should have put the picnic table on the front porch. The table could have gone on the front lawn. I only said the grill. Nobody could see it. In fact she has an extremely large tree in front of it.
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Leslie, sorry to disagree, but you don't put picnic tables in the front yard around here, nor grills on the front porch, even if you can't see them. Aesthetically, that's a big no-no, and you don't want to have to move a table and benches every time you mow the yard.
All's well that ends well, but no more kittens! Fantine and Cosette are very happy here. I am so glad you all talked me into adopting them!
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I remember that! I think a lot of us were awaiting updates and wondering how everything would turn out.
You are amazing for caring so much and being so loving and generous.
I have never, ever thought that somehow I was short changed as a kid because I had to paint my own nails!
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Hey, at least you got to paint your own nails. We were never allowed to use nail polish, nor wear makeup, no piercings, no pants or jeans on Sundays...nothing. That would have been the work of Satan, and in our conservative PA Dutch community, we would have been heathen children!
We were lucky we were allowed to go to movies, but then again, never on Sunday!
But when we got to college...!
Will the sheeple still be expecting him to arrange a class-action lawsuit for them, and will they set up a Go Fund Me account to pay off those fees and sanctions?
Kate, you screwed up royally for ever having been associated with him. She should have known better; the sheeple, not so much. That could be expected of them.
Is it me or does it seem Kate's hair changes lengths and fullness a lot? I watched the bonus clips and she's got different heads of hair it seems.
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I think the volume depends if she washes it, but I don't know what would account for the length! lol! Of course, if she curls it, it would make it appear to be a bit shorter.
You just can't get enough of watching other people on lavish vacations, getting spa days and throwing balls to dogs ;-)
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Or putting Jon's balls in Dixie Cups.
Any I bet she already purchased a generator for her house. I think the only reason she didn't have one before was because she was to stupid to know they even existed.
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She did get a generator a few years ago. I remember her tweeting something about getting gasoline for it and not knowing where to put the generator.
Hmmm...I must have lived a very deprived life. And still do, I guess.
64 years old and haven't ever been to a nail salon.
Formerly Duped said... 142
hot tub/Jacuzzi? Home spa?
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Tanning bed, or does she have one of those?
Isn't there a spa attached to her pool? If so, do they use that in the winter? I've never heard her mention it.
Heated sidewalks AND heated driveway by the garage...all remote controlled.
Re-do the bathrooms and install heated floors, spa tub, tiled walls.
Large gazebo with firepit surrounded by brick landscaping. Seating will be those granite stools for $750 each. A large covered area to store cut wood.
A pond with a stream and multiple waterfalls. All surrounded by beautiful gardens and landscaping. Many, many planters, all with remote control individual watering lines hooked up to them.
Snowmobiles, one for each kid, and a manicured path thru the woods.
Sola-tubes in the house, and skylights.
A covered walkway to the garage, with solar panels to keep it warm. Lattice work to accommodate the specially bred roses which will grow along the walkway.
A greenhouse, where she can grow all the organic veges she wants.
That's a good one. I crack myself up.
Hmmmmm....very interesting!
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/josh-duggar-responds-to-danica-dillon-lawsuit-claims-he-never-met-porn-star-in-new-legal-documents-w161099
If Josh never met her and her claims were not true, WHY didn't he do a press conference with an attorney and say that it wasn't true and they were going to fight it vigorously? IF it wasn't true.
Also, if he didn't do it, then WHY did he go to a long term camp rehab? He wasn't going because of his sisters and the babysitter. He had already did his construction counseling.
I believe her. She has to have something to prove he was there. A personal item he left, DNA, pictures. He is claiming he wasn't in PA at the strip club where she works.
What is going to happen if they show surveillance video of him walking through the front door and exiting?
I think the pool has an adjacent spa.
Someone mentioned that Kate is socially awkward. I remember when I first came across Kate and couldn't figure out if she just ignored other people by deliberately avoiding them, walking with her head down because she was snubbing them, or if she was socially awkward and wouldn't know what to say to them.
Thinking back, it was probably both.
I am surprised that bird is still alive the way those kids and Kate manhandle him. And Shoka...so close to her SUV when she was pulling out. Someone tweeted her about that and she blew that person off saying Shoka knows to get out of the way. Well, dogs don't always. A friend lost her golden when she hit him in her driveway. My father-in-law years ago accidentally ran over the family dog in their driveway.
When we were talking about TFW getting an intercom system, Andy Griffith was on and what a coincidence. Barney had put a intercom system in one of the jail cells.
Opie (tup) asks Barney what is it?
Barney(TFW) Says: It is a intercom. This is what this place has been needing. It is about time we (TFW/TLC) started modernizing this place electronically.
Andy (Steve) asks TFW: What are you going to do with it?
TFW: I am going to use it to communicate with the prisoners. You, know, tell them it is time for lunch, exercise time in the compound, got a visitor (crew daddies), or whatever.
Tup: Wouldn't be easier just to walk right over and tell them? (way to go, tup)!
TFW: They don't do things like that anymore! This is the age of science know-how, electronic marvels.
TFW to Steve: Hey, I didn't tell you the most important thing about this. This thing works the other way too. Whatever goes on in there, we will be able to listen in on it out here. Well, don't you get it? It is our own little spy in the sky.
Steve: What things will we listen to?
TFW: All right, I will show you.
TFW hoists up a tup and the tup says, hey lefty (L tup) me and you are busting out tonight.
Bwahahaha!
A greenhouse, where she can grow all the organic veges she wants.
That's a good one. I crack myself up.
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A new car, because the more cars you have, the more you can save on gas, depending which one is more economical when the price of gas increases.
Heated sidewalks AND heated driveway by the garage...all remote controlled.
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Oh, good one! Rip up the entire driveway and install heat under the surface so the snow and ice melts and she won't have to drag out her new snow blower toy.
PA Dutch Mom (#177), I tend to vote most heavily
for the snubbing option. We've watched TFW with celebrities -- grinning, gushing, chatting up a storm. I think she clams up and/or looks away when having to deal with the mediocre.
Large gazebo with firepit surrounded by brick landscaping.
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Matt will do that. He is good with lesbian landscaping. What about a sprinkler system for the entire property?
She did get a generator a few years ago. I remember her tweeting something about getting gasoline for it and not knowing where to put the generator.
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I think that there were a few nonfans who gladly would have told her where to stick it.
Is Deck Dude Matt still tweeting, or did his little flurry of attention end already?
Fade2black, you called it Tuesday before the show even aired, that Deck Dude would regret having worked with TFW!
Article about TLC general manager,Nancy Daniels, answering reporters' questions about how the network handled the Duggar scandal.
http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/tlc-duggar-scandal-television-critics-association-tca-1201674570/
From the article:
“Every decision we’ve made has been done very thoughtfully and very carefully about what is in the best interests of the people involved and the network,” Daniels said. “Our first priority is making sure that there’s a health and well-being of our families first and foremost. We feature stories of different families with real people and real things happen.”
As the panel ended, the final question once again diverted from “Single Dad Seeking,” asking Daniels about the future of the Duggars at TLC, namely Jill and Jessa, who recently starred in their own three-part special.
“We just aired the three specials during the holidays. They did very well,” a clearly-frustrated Daniels said, citing the viewership of more than three million. “The audience clearly cares about these girls.”
As for the possibility of more episodes or a series centering around the sisters, Daniels said, “We’re still talking and considering it, but we have not made a decision yet.”
As the article pointed out TLC will also have a new series called "Single Dads Dating". You can read about that here:
http://www.broadwayworld.com/bwwtv/article/TLC-to-Premiere-New-Series-SINGLE-DAD-SEEKING-This-Spring-20160108
From that article:
"SINGLE DAD SEEKING... (working title) follows five single fathers working hard to raise their kids. As they strive to provide the ideal lives for their sons and daughters, they each feel that a critical piece of their family is missing. These dedicated dads are searching to find not only love in their lives, but also a woman willing to love their children. Enter five women, each without children of her own, seeking her happily ever after with a responsible, caring man. In addition to finding love, these women sincerely want to be mothers. None of them have found the opportunity-until now."
Guess TLC wasn't interested in a show about Kate called "Single Mom Seeking" and they decided to go with the male version. I do wonder if all her whining about how HARD it was for her to find a man because of her kids actually gave someone at TLC the idea for this show.
Lanc Native said... 129
I haven't watched any episodes for gosh, I couldn't tell you how long. I just can't stand listening to her, but I do enjoy admin's recaps. Did she actually believe that the Blues Brothers were Elvis?
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Before the day is over I just want to say Happy Birthday, Elvis. You changed music history.
He would have been 81 today.
RIP
Over In TFW's County said... 163
There's a space below the bottom horizontal rail and the deck itself. You can push under that, and through the vertical rails.
You can also shovel and throw over the top.
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There isn't room on my bottom rail, but then again, I didn't have Matt Dude install our deck. I guess it just wasn't constructed correctly because the bottom rail is just inches from the floor of the deck!
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It's only a few inches, but you can push the snow under, or between the vertical bars (balusters). We have a metal railing that was pre-formed with a small space below the lower bar. I believe there are strict regulations for deck railings, like there are for cribs. You can't allow enough space for a baby or child to get their body through and then hang from their head, so spacing is crucial.
I just realized that it would be harder to clear a deck with the super-expensive see-through panels for railings, because everything would have to go under the bottom or over the top. No between-the-balusers for those special snowflakes.
The website someone posted recommended a corn boom for clearing snow from a deck. Synthetic bristles aren't stiff enough and will get all bent if there is heavy snow.
I cleared a couple of cars that were covered in very wet snow. I gave up on the brush and used my arm to sweep the snow aside, where it naturally made big snowballs, like you'd make if you were making a snowman. I then carried the snowballs in my arms over to the snowbank and dropped them on. It worked better than brushing in onto the ground and then having to shovel up the mess.
“We just aired the three specials during the holidays. They did very well,” a clearly-frustrated Daniels said, citing the viewership of more than three million. “The audience clearly cares about these girls.”
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Daniels is confusion "caring" with watching a car wreck. In other words, yes, there will be more filming of the "girls".
Her next project will be to have them install a moving sidewalk in the house and around the grounds so that she doesn't have to walk anywhere. Heated and covered of course!
It's also Soupy Sales birthday today. I always enjoyed his show.
NJGal51 said... 188
Her next project will be to have them install a moving sidewalk in the house and around the grounds so that she doesn't have to walk anywhere. Heated and covered of course!
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I picture Kate in one of those sedan chairs with poles with two servants on each side carrying her from room to room Cleopatra-ish style. Ironically they're called 'litters'. lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litter_%28vehicle%29
Sometimes I think I shouldn't read Kate's TL, but it can be interesting.
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@CarrieTBow @Kateplusmy8 hopefully when you reach your 40's like Kate Gosselin has, you'll learn how to spell. It's not funny, it's pathetic
I checked this tweeter's profile (non-fan) and saw this:
Hever Castle. Tuder England
I really don't think that one should discuss Kate's spelling when such an error occurs on your own Twitter profile. It's TUDOR England!
I see that Gladys tweeted a cute dog photo to Kate, encouraging her to get another puppy. Anything to get her attention, right, Milo?
Kate replied to the tweeter who tweeted about avocado being toxic to birds:
Kate Gosselin Verified account @Kateplusmy8 · 2h2 hours ago
@mommylajes85 I know!!! Thank you ... He stays far away from them... (Far enough!)
Aaden was standing right next to her with Zorro on his shoulder while she was scooping out the avocados. How is that "far away(far enough)"?
He was closer to the bowl that had the avocado in it than he was when he supposedly flew down onto the birthday cake.
I guess since Shoka knows to get out of the way when she drives the car down the driveway, Zorro also knows that avocado is toxic to him so he stays "far away" from it.
NJGal51 said... 191
It's also Soupy Sales birthday today. I always enjoyed his show.
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Yes! Way back when I interviewed celebrities for a national magazine, I had the pleasure of meeting him and sitting down and talking with him at length. He was very nice, gracious, humble, down-to-earth, and so funny! I was sad when he passed.
Her next project will be to have them install a moving sidewalk in the house and around the grounds so that she doesn't have to walk anywhere. Heated and covered of course!
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They will include built-in sunlamps, of course, so she can tan at the same time.
Before the day is over I just want to say Happy Birthday, Elvis. You changed music history.
He would have been 81 today.
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I can't imagine Elvis at 81. It just doesn't work. There is a website that did age progression, and I must say, though, that he really didn't look too bad as a senior citizen.
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 · 30m30 minutes ago
@kateplusmy8 I must say that you have changed a lot! You've gotten funnier. I find myself laughing at something you say on each episode. 😆
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 21m21 minutes ago
@msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 I've always loved her tongue N cheek sarcastic humor! Some take everything she says so serious &miss the LOLs!
Yes, hearing her calling the boys magic show "lame" was just knee-slapping, belly-laughing humor, right?
Milo-I would say her "tongue N cheek sarcastic humor" is more "foot N mouth hurtful remarks about her children.
But that's right, you don't care about the kids feelings any way, do you?
Just to emphasize more than the big projects, the girls were really mean to the boys at the magic show. They 'Booed' them, threw the coins at them, dissed the tricks and ate the chocolate meant for tips. They were a little nicer afterward, but honestly, that family is really pitted boys vs girls and twins vs tups. Now it's also vs Mommy. I know this was discussed upthread but in case anyone didn't see that part.
Oh- and I didn't see Deanna at the party, and I think the lady in yellow was not Carla- I thought it was at first.
At least we can laugh at her. Not with her, but at her.
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