Can't believe that kid's neighbor HAD to sign a CA. Didn't have to sign anything. What was Steve standing at the street entrance of Costco flagging cars down and demanding that they HAD to sign a CA because they might be filmed???
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The original tweet said the person had to sign a "release" which is different than a CA - Confidentiality Agreement. When you sign a release you are acknowledging you are being filmed and might appear on a tv show. You don't have to keep anything a secret - at least I didn't when I was caught in the background on a stupid show years ago. I thought having to sign was silly, but basically they were just making sure I knew I'd be on tv and that it was OK w/me.
I thought from a previous post all eight were there, but we know it was just the tups. So my guess was correct: the twins opted out. Those girls sleep at least to noon, per Kate and the twins, so Kate can't force them into any morning filming. Just wait until the tups are 15, LOL.
Oh, we should have zero doubt Steve was in NYC on the blind date. How awkward that must have been. Jeff may have two and two together about that relationship. Jon did.
I find it interesting that he is back to being in the background. I think this is an attempt to quell the speculation so Kate could pursue the dating angle.
Her relationship with Steve is one of the things I believe Cara and Mady are aware of.
I find it interesting that he is back to being in the background. I think this is an attempt to quell the speculation so Kate could pursue the dating angle.
Her relationship with Steve is one of the things I believe Cara and Mady are aware of. ******* I'm sure TLC and Kate, Steve (and apparently Deanna) regrouped and rethought putting Steve out there again. Maybe Steve had enough of the spotlight and wanted to disappear again. It's all to make Kate appear alone, aloooooooooooooone, alooooooooooooooooooooooooooooone.
I'm hoping this Costco trip episode is the second half of the bookends. One of the earliest episodes was a shopping trip that filled flat trolleys with bread and diapers; hopefully this shopping trip with full flat trolleys will round the series out nicely. Ta ta!
Here's the thing about the lunch siting: she, Steve and tups are gathered like a family. Where's the crew? They wer
****** How much money do you think TLC has?? ;) After paying for that shopping trip, lunch for 8, gas, salaries for cast and crew, do you honestly believe TLC is going to spend more cash to feed their employees? I'm snarking here of course, but seriously, if it was a lunch break for the crew they might have preferred to take a break from being Gosselin crew daddies and go eat at Applebees. Not many companies pay for employee restaurant meals anyway.
Didn't TFW tell Lites Out Vann she's never with other adults, and that's why she joked about cutting his meat? Good ol' gray-haired Steve surely qualifies as an adult.
And isn't Deanna an adult? Since she claims to talk to the G kids "constantly," she must spend a lot of time at the house. Unless she's there babysitting while TFW is out with other adults.
Like so much of this country the same retail footprint is repeated over and over again. Iron Hill, Costco, Outlet malls....all along northern, western, suburbs of Philadelphia.
JoyinVirginia said... 1 Justin Time, I missed the St. Tony sighting! Lydia, great idea for a drinking game! I watch old Perry Mason episodes on MeTV, most everyone on those shows are dead, but it's fun to spot the guest stars who later became famous. And fun fact, Barbara Hale who played Della Street is living and 93!
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Wow! She is the same age as Betty White.
Abe Vigoda was 93 when he died just the other day!
I happen to know the person who posted the post about her friend. And I agree, thanks to TFW you have to be very careful who you give to. Even though you give to someone or a charity and they are not good stewards with it, God has seen that you gave from your heart and He will bless that and He will deal with the bad stewards in His own time.
It makes my blood boil that TWF gets paid to pretend to be a good steward on tv. It will come back to her 10 fold in His time. He promises in His Word.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 8 Didn't TFW tell Lites Out Vann she's never with other adults, and that's why she joked about cutting his meat? Good ol' gray-haired Steve surely qualifies as an adult. ****** I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities that Kate does actually cut the kids' food still.
When will it stop? ******* I think it's up to the kids at this point. When and if they don't want to film and feel they can refuse (or live with Jon), they can get out of the fishbowl. Kate will never stop on her own. It will come down to either TLC canceling again, her kids refusing, or Jon getting some control.
Here's the thing about the lunch siting: she, Steve and tups are gathered like a family. Where's the crew? They were not invited?
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They go outside for a smoke break and complain about their job. lol. Working with that wacko Kate can't be easy.
The crew daddies are flies on the wall sworn to secrecy but I'll bet they talk among themselves. Their stories could probably fill a book or two or three.
Saying you are not around other adults was not a wise thing to say to a bachelor who apparently enjoys activities with adults. What a mismatch, Deanna. Also this guy is into the outdoors and is a big time sailor so the type of gal he would be interested in is someone who enjoys the same things, with no string attached too (eight kids and filming). He's also intellectually way above her. The Valley Girl talk is not a turn on either. The negative with Vann is his ego to appear on a reality show. I think that got beaten down, though. I wonder if Kate and Deanna will be able to dig up Bachelor #2 for this next "season"? There always seems to be some person who wants their 15 seconds out there, so I guess they will.
So Steve is bodyguard/road manager and what is Deanna now?Has Kate promoted her to makeup/assistant producer/reality guest?
I agree the crew probably wanted a break from their producer at lunchtime. Oh, the stories they could tell.
Sue_Buddy said... 16 5. Where is it currently stated that TLC is paying for all of their on air cost.
I don't know that it is. I think, at this point, until sommeone can provide proof, it's urban legend. ***** It's my working theory that all supplies etc. that are part of the show are paid for by TLC. I don't see how featuring Costco on Kate's show could possibly be on her dime.
It was commented that Jon's appearance on the Harvey show made sense because Kate was filming another season. Of course, according to sheeple logic he is jealous. I agree it was not coincidental. It's playing the media game because he also gave Radar an interview. It's what you do to get your side of the story out. He said it himself; he is frustrated and there is nothing wrong with venting your frustration when the other party keeps you in nonstop litigation over your kids.
I thought some of you here said the twins liked the filming?I would think if they did they'd be there with the other 6 there filming.Like i said,i don't see those girls wanting their own spinoff show like the duggars.Not because there's nothing interesting but i don't see them both wanting one
It was commented that Jon's appearance on the Harvey show made sense because Kate was filming another season. Of course, according to sheeple logic he is jealous. I agree it was not coincidental. ===============
Except that Jon's interview was filmed back in November, according to a picture on his Instagram that shows him at the Steve Harvey studio.
So that interview had nothing to do with Kate and the kids currently filming. Although it could have been due to the new season airing in December.
ROL probably contacted Jon due to the Steve Harvey interview and Jon responded to them. I don't think it had anything to do with the fact that they are currently filming.
I don't know that it is. I think, at this point, until sommeone can provide proof, it's urban legend. ***** It's my working theory that all supplies etc. that are part of the show are paid for by TLC. I don't see how featuring Costco on Kate's show could possibly be on her dime.
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That's all considered a production expense. It would be highly, highly unusual for a talent to pay out of pocket for those incidentals. Hardly urban legend, her own diary showed tlc paid for everything.
Admin (#23), TFW's shopping trip will basically be a commercial for Costco. I can't imagine they didn't pay for her haul in total, plus maybe even giving her additional gift cards for future use. As far as meals on filming day, those would be part of production costs -- either paid up front, or reimbursed.
TFW's been at this for a decade. By now, her agent/manager is savvy enough to make deals which assure not a penny comes out of her pocket.
Susan Wiske @Susan66207 2h2 hours ago @Gardendelightfu @nicoleyoutzyy @Kateplusmy8 @AmcOrg @RepTomMurt @GosselinBook The poor Gosselin slaves have all week off from school so
I thought someone reported that they had Monday and Tuesday off with a two-hour delay on Wednesday. That's not all week. I really doubt that they filmed every day of this week. It's bad enough that they gave up their Saturday, but did she pull them out of classes all week to film?
_______________ I must really be out of the loop here. I guess that's what happens when you spend too much time in semi-hibernation under the veranda.
Where was it reported, or tweeted that they spent all week filming and that Kate took them out of school to do so? According to locals, they only had two full days off from school, but not an entire week. Are there photos of them during the week at places other than Costco?
Tucker's Mom said... 17 When will it stop? ******* I think it's up to the kids at this point. When and if they don't want to film and feel they can refuse (or live with Jon), they can get out of the fishbowl. Kate will never stop on her own. It will come down to either TLC canceling again, her kids refusing, or Jon getting some control.
That's all considered a production expense. It would be highly, highly unusual for a talent to pay out of pocket for those incidentals. Hardly urban legend, her own diary showed tlc paid for everything.
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If TLC bought her a whole organic cow, they would absolutely pay that FAKE COW money for anything she needs to do an episode so they could make money and ratings.
That's all considered a production expense. It would be highly, highly unusual for a talent to pay out of pocket for those incidentals. Hardly urban legend, her own diary showed tlc paid for everything.
_________________ I think it was during the filming at Party City for a Halloween episode that Kate went through the aisles just throwing things into her cart. She never looked at the prices. I seriously doubt she would do that if she were paying for everything out of pocket. It wasn't her money, so she didn't care about the cost of anything.
That's all considered a production expense. It would be highly, highly unusual for a talent to pay out of pocket for those incidentals. Hardly urban legend, her own diary showed tlc paid for everything. January 31, 2016 at 9:56 AM ***** Including everything that shows up at their doorstep, wherever that may be: lobster dinners, painting supplies, refinishing supplies, tie-dye supplies, camping equipment, kites, buckets, towels, Crooked Houses.... I don't see a several hundred dollar shopping spree at Costco being any different.
Today they are apparently hold Target and their Sunday customers hostage for filming.
Heidi @Heidigriffith2 · 5m5 minutes ago When youre in target and kate gosselin walks by you being filmed 😮
tiffany lyn. △⃒⃘⚯͛ @AccioFireball · 14m14 minutes ago Sign outside my Target about they're filming a reality tv show....Kate Gosselin must be shopping haha
Almost all production expenses are part of production. It's just part of the budget. In fact it's my understanding union rules require meals and so forth for the talent and production.
The free Costco shopping trip is nothing for a show that probably has a budget of 100,000 per episode or more.
There was a smorgasbord of food on the set of a Chris Pine movie I was on a number of years ago. All free. You could eat enough for ten people for free on any set.
Kate is twit...super bowl party! Sounds like a winner. Who will be there? Every year it's just the kids. Yeah. Kate is a pretend football fan because she knows that appeals to guys (and Milo).
That $100k per episode sounds low when you consider salaries and all the crap Kate gets. I read that reality shows are typically $400k per episode for everything.
KIAT (#35), a Super Bowl party is a great guess. Maybe that's where Lites Out Vann will have his second date? Ooh, and he could meet the kids at the same time. Smells like a 2-parter!
Guess we'll find out when it airs. Some time in September maybe?
If the Super Bowl is next weekend, shouldn't they be with their dad if they are filming this weekend? Or will he bring them back early so they can film the oh so super fun?
I used to work for a syndicated television show that's still on the air and has both celeb and "everyday people" guests. We often shot remotely and any items either category of guest "purchased" was paid for by the show. Each show, and often each segment, has a separate budget determined by if it was live to tape in the studio or on location. No guest ever paid for anything, including hotel, if needed, transportation, meals, hair and makeup, and often clothing if needed for the show. Craft services was always set up no matter where we were. I can guarantee that whatever Kate picked out at Costco, or Target, or anywhere she shops while filming is paid for by TLC.
Tonight "Grease:Live" airs on Fox. Carlos Vega, of DWTS and husband of Alexa Vega(also from DWTS and one of Kate's newest celebrity crushes) will be playing the role of Kenickie.
I wonder if Kate is going to watch and tweet to them tonight? Or will she be to "exhaustedish" from all the shopping she's done in the last 2 days?
@photoshopfunnie: @lovemedietcoke @Kateplusmy8 @Costco @Sassccha @DonutsForCollin Nice game of Pocket Pool Steve is playing there! Y is he not helping? #Shame
@photoshopfunnie: @lovemedietcoke @Kateplusmy8 @Costco Y wasSteve not helping load theTONS OF FREE STUFF 4 A MILLIONAIRE?He'd B running in/out of frame right?
Non-fans are sometimes as funny as fans. I believe the picture she's talking about is the one with the kids loading groceries and Steve standing there with his arms crossed over his chest. I guess the non-fan doesn't know what "playing pocket pool" means. RB
The tups are 11 3/4. All the kids I know around that age have busy weekends. Even if the G kids aren't involved in sports, friends have birthday parties, sleepovers, and playdates. Some weekends there may be multiple parties. But even the tups were invited to something, they couldn't go if they had to work. Yes, going shopping with your mother while surrounded by cameras and microphones and gawking fans is WORK.
TFW has taken something precious from these children, and one or more will resent her for it someday. They're not sacrificing weekends to practice a sport they love, which would ultimately benefit them. Or taking lessons at an activity they want to pursue as a career someday. They're working because TFW is in charge, and that's never gonna change. And by the time she's not in charge, it'll be too late for them to reclaim the childhoods she deprived them of.
Would I rather watch Kate and her kids shop at COSCO and Target or watch paint dry? Wow that's a tough one! Ummm think I'm going to go with watching paint dry! Not sure how they are going to turn this into riveting TV. But considering the mentality of those that watch they will be mesmorized! Just how does she do it? She's wonderful! I've never seen anyone shop like that! Oh Kate please tell us your secret!
We could turn it into a guessing game, like how many jellybeans are in the jar. What is the collective worth of Kate's haul, based on prices in our own areas? Winner gets to write a scathing comment about it on Admin's blog. Wait, everyone's a winner! We can ALL write one!
Uggs has a new boyfriend. Another one. It seems like she collects these guys like some people collect stamps and coins.
Brenda Schuettler @sweetbren66 @captdope hi handsome love #superstore you crack me up !! #cloud9
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She also has a twin sister. Does anyone remember that woman on Steve Harvey who was going on and on about how sexy Steve Harvey's bald head is and how she wishes her husband would shave his head? She even made some reference to wanting to rub baby oil on it. W...T....F!!!
I remember on Jon and Kate plus 8, whenever they showed Kate shopping anywhere, she always stressed how they used coupons to save money. She even yelled at Jon for not using a coupon.
Fast forward to present day--I guess the coupons have been forgotten(as has her coupon website).
When was the last time they showed Kate using a coupon while shopping?
Same experience. When I was a guest on the Chris Pine film helping out with the children, I got put up in a lovely hotel next door to the director and all my meals were paid for plus we had a driver. Of course the flight and airport car was also paid for. Pulled straight from the petty cash budget. There were two food sections, one for primaries and crew, the other for extras. The food in our section was better but extras was apparently quite good too. It was mostly buffet style with lots of things to choose from, and throughout the day there was an open snack bar with junk food but also yogurt and fruit. I don't know how people don't gain 20 pounds on sets.
This is normal. Kate's show is no different. It's all paid for. Whether the budget per episode is 100k or 400k a few costco carts are nothing to that budget.
The celeb guests do get more perks than the everyday folks but overall, the company/show picks up the tab for everything. Also, releases were signed by anyone in a store or on the street that might be in the final edit. It wasn't a big deal. And as social media grew, the show and celeb I worked with encouraged pictures on Twitter, etc, realizing that fans were the backbone of a successful, Emmy winning show.
Kate is so foolish. She has no idea how to use the media to her advantage and even if she figured it out ( she won't, of course) it's too late. Her nastiness and lies are all out there.
KIAT (#51) didn't TFW says she wanted to "shoot" Jon when he forgot the coupon for the shower head?
Fidosmommy (#49), knowing TFW, she's gonna make hay while the sun shines. She'll probably toss razors and shaving cream in the wagon for the boys, in case the gravy train stops before they're old enough to shave.
Gigi (#48), don't you realize this is going to be utterly fascinating because TFW has 8 KIDS??? That will make all the difference! And my goodness, they're a handful! How can you compare her riveting shopping trips to the shopping trips of any other person on the planet?
How can you compare her riveting shopping trips to the shopping trips of any other person on the planet?
********* I'd like the cameras to catch the reaction of Costco customers when they were told Aisle 2 and the produce section are closed for the unencumbered shopping experience of central PA's favorite daughter Kate Gosselin.
Singing for their supper is one way to put it when your kids are supporting you, TFW. I don't give a flying fig how much free stuff she gets from the big box stores, it is still grifting and using your own kids for financial gain. Who would ever give her the time of day if the kids were not filmed along with her? No "star" power in that mess. It is still just galling to me that someone so selfish and unlikeable can be rewarded so greatly. Sad that the kids do not have any activities such as "Scouting, church youth group, gymnastics, soccer, basketball, baseball, football, etc." I suppose their mother just cannot be bothered to take them there. Try signing them up and maybe their other parent might take them. Great idea until I remembered they must "sing for their supper."
"Yeah. Kate is a pretend football fan because she knows that appeals to guys (and Milo)."
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Milo is a guy -- well, sort of. You just can't tell if it's a he-she.
Sherry (27)..."I must really be out of the loop here. I guess that's what happens when you spend too much time in semi-hibernation under the veranda.
Where was it reported, or tweeted that they spent all week filming and that Kate took them out of school to do so? According to locals, they only had two full days off from school, but not an entire week. Are there photos of them during the week at places other than Costco?"
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I think what could have happened is that some heard that the School District of Lancaster had off the entire week, which was true, due to the difficulty in removing snow from city streets and for the safety of the kids trying to get on the school buses. The kids' school, however, is private and not part of the district. Therefore, they did not have the entire week off, just two days.
Uggs has a new boyfriend. Another one. It seems like she collects these guys like some people collect stamps and coins.
Brenda Schuettler @sweetbren66 @captdope hi handsome love #superstore you crack me up !! #cloud9
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She also has a twin sister. Does anyone remember that woman on Steve Harvey who was going on and on about how sexy Steve Harvey's bald head is and how she wishes her husband would shave his head? She even made some reference to wanting to rub baby oil on it. W...T....F!!!
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I just wish one of these guys would invite her into his private dressing room and give her some hugs and tickles that she could never forget, and if the encounter involves baby oil, whipped cream or whatever, then so much the better.
Same experience. When I was a guest on the Chris Pine film helping out with the children, I got put up in a lovely hotel next door to the director and all my meals were paid for plus we had a driver. Of course the flight and airport car was also paid for. Pulled straight from the petty cash budget. There were two food sections, one for primaries and crew, the other for extras. The food in our section was better but extras was apparently quite good too. It was mostly buffet style with lots of things to choose from, and throughout the day there was an open snack bar with junk food but also yogurt and fruit. I don't know how people don't gain 20 pounds on sets.
This is normal. Kate's show is no different. It's all paid for. ******** All those chips and things Kate was so busy preparing for lunch when they were tots- it's called craft service.
Kate is a twit said... 35 And the beat goes on....
xxxxxx@xxxxxx · 31m31 minutes ago Sign outside my Target about they're filming a reality tv show....Kate Gosselin must be shopping haha
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XXXXXX @XXXXX 6h6 hours ago @XXXXXXX the Wyomissing one? Lol had a friend there once and she was there and he's like those f'in photographers were assholes!
There were two food sections, one for primaries and crew, the other for extras. The food in our section was better but extras was apparently quite good too. It was mostly buffet style with lots of things to choose from, and throughout the day there was an open snack bar with junk food but also yogurt and fruit.
This is normal. Kate's show is no different. It's all paid for.
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To watch Kate stuff her piehole on CA might lead one to believe that that's the only time she really eats. She may make meals at home for her kids but I think other than her salads she pretty much starves herself until there's prepared food laid out in front of her. I don't think she likes her own cooking.
The cat's out of the bag about filming at Costco and Target, but TFW hasn't checked in with the fans? I guess her narc supply is being filled elsewhere, so she doesn't have to lower herself to chitchatting with the great unwashed.
All those chips and things Kate was so busy preparing for lunch when they were tots- it's called craft service.
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Craft services has to be Kate's idea of grifter heaven.
She's the type who goes to post-funeral luncheons just to eat the little sandwiches and stuff the squares and brownies into her purse. She's such a greedy pig.
Interesting that there have been no pictures posted of them filming in Target today. Yesterday there were at least 3 or 4, if not more.
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A woman goes shopping with eight kids. Will wonders never cease?
Sooner or later the novelty wears off. I don't think people are mobbing her anymore. She's old news and more of a curiosity than a celebrity. She's like the midget who grows a beard, dresses himself like a caveman and travels with the circus as the prehistoric man discovered in the Himalayans. Seen it, now let's go see the five-legged goat.
The coupon use was for the persona of a couple struggling. Maybe before TLC appeared, she used coupons (I sure as hell did when I shopped at the commissary as a young wife with a baby and a toddler). Now we know the truth from her journal. I noticed she asked about coupons when she shopped at the mall for the tups but since TLC was picking up the tab, that was being phony. Who the heck is she kidding? Are people still believing she watches her pennies like they do? I guess there are the faithful handful who literally believe her smoke and mirrors.
Kate is a twit said... 63 Interesting that there have been no pictures posted of them filming in Target today. Yesterday there were at least 3 or 4, if not more.
Is Steve again making people delete any photos that were taken?
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I was very busy yesterday and today but I swear if I hear of them filming relatively locally and I get a chance I'll go there and take a pic and dare anyone to make me not post it
I guess her narc supply is being filled elsewhere, so she doesn't have to lower herself to chitchatting with the great unwashed.
________________ Speaking of which, where is Gladys? Off sulking somewhere? Has she been heard from since her martyr tweets?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 27 Jan @Mydmaxx @deannatweeting Some days I feel like I've been treading water here endlessly & I get tired of it. Then someone comes w/lifeboat!
@AuntieAnn Its good that not many are taking many pictures like they use to.Also remember the paps use to always follow her and take pictures.Guess they don't care anymore like they use to.Just wish TLC would take the hint to.
@AuntieAnn Its good that not many are taking many pictures like they use to.Also remember the paps use to always follow her and take pictures.Guess they don't care anymore like they use to.Just wish TLC would take the hint to.
I was very busy yesterday and today but I swear if I hear of them filming relatively locally and I get a chance I'll go there and take a pic and dare anyone to make me not post it
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And if you do get a photo and post it, make sure it's watermarked "All Rights Reserved by localyocul".
Sherry Baby said... 67 Craft services has to be Kate's idea of grifter heaven. ______________ Don't you mean hog heaven? --- Ah, brings back memories of Celeb Apprentice & the many shots of Kate with food.
I was very busy yesterday and today but I swear if I hear of them filming relatively locally and I get a chance I'll go there and take a pic and dare anyone to make me not post it
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I just want to see a photo of Steve with his Go-Go Gadget Ratclaws fully extended.
Speaking of which, where is Gladys? Off sulking somewhere? Has she been heard from since her martyr tweets?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 27 Jan @Mydmaxx @deannatweeting Some days I feel like I've been treading water here endlessly & I get tired of it. Then someone comes w/lifeboat!
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Then for gosh sake, quit twitter cold turkey and knock it off with the whining, or put on your big girl pants and stop acting like a total jerk. It's sink or swim. It's up to you.
There's no self-awareness there. She can't see that the reason she's poked at is because of her insane lusting after Kate, not to mention that she's worse than Gladys Kravitz ever was. No happily married woman is so obsessed with another woman that she's constantly tweeting about her physique and a celebrity's bedtime.
Wake up and look at what you're doing. You've said that custody issues should remain private and then turn around and kiss Deanna's butt for bashing Jon.
If you think that you're treading water and you're so tired of it, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Grow up.
I am so sorry I haven't been watching this show! She shops at Costco. Then she shops at Target. It's a dream come true. No one has ever done that before. Must see tv.
I think that Steve is so obviously part of the family, not a bodyguard. Real bodyguards don't sit in the booth with the family for lunch. Do you really think Reese Witherspoon or Angelina Jolie have the bodyguard sharing their french fries?
I think that Steve is so obviously part of the family, not a bodyguard. Real bodyguards don't sit in the booth with the family for lunch. Do you really think Reese Witherspoon or Angelina Jolie have the bodyguard sharing their french fries? ------------------- Does Steve like french fries? We know he likes pizza (wrapped in foil and untouched by childrens' hands), and he doesn't like mac and cheese or salad. But where does he stand on french fries? Maybe Milo can tell us!
Did she have riders for this latest Costco/Target excursion? Kobe beef? Organic blueberries? Whole grain bread with no obvious grain in it? HOMEMADE mac and cheese with white cheddar? Whole Foods organic selections in the main suite only?
I understand that. Companies do the same thing when they bring employees in from other areas for meetings, etc., pay for hotels, meals, car rental, gas. It's the cost of doing business. And if TLC has a story line about Kate bulking up in preparation for a big storm, for example, I can see them paying for what she buys. It's the cost of producing the story line. I don't get where the anger about it is coming from and I don't call it grifting either. Some sound as if they think TLC pays Kate a big salary and pays for everything except utilities and school AND gives her coupons and credit cards for any other expenses one might be able to come up with and tops it off by providing Craft services for her meals.
I guess someone decided Kate needed to act like the commoners and shop at Target and Costco rather than high end boutiques. I bet she had not set foot in a Costco in years. We have tons of photos of her buying her paper supplies at Target.
I recall as a kid absolutely hating having to go grocery shopping with my mom. It was beyond boring. Makes you wonder what she promised those kids to go on a Saturday morning.
Did all the crap she bought at Costco even fit in whatever vehicle Steve drive (you know he did)?
LaLaLandNoMore said... 56 Singing for their supper is one way to put it when your kids are supporting you, TFW ***** It's sad. I'm sad. I'm so sad to see that Kate ONCE AGAIN is usurping all of the kids' discretionary time for filming. It's so sad that none of the kids gets to play with friends on their weekend. If Kate's response is that the kids love their Crew Daddies, then that's f*cking sick. Just sick. These kids need friends and sports and hobbies and interests and social development. It's days like this that I get angry that Jon extricated himself from major decisions. Kate's moral compass is corrupt, and he damn well knew that.
And by the time she's not in charge, it'll be too late for them to reclaim the childhoods she deprived them of.
***** Perfect sentence, Flimsy. It's pretty much too late. Kate has stolen their childhoods and their father is ineffectual in doing anything about it. Those kids are very average, and could really benefit from developing talents and skills. They will find out they're not so fascinating and captivating without cameras around.
Jillygee said... 88 Yes there was a few years ago. A reporter was at a beach house next to or near the Gosselins. She was on vacation and didn't know they would be there. She took pictures and he asked her to delete them. She wrote an article about it. If I could find the article I would share it. Not sure if I have a link any more.
PA Department of L&I has an online form you can subm it for complaints. They can at least be made aware of filming and whether proper permits have been obtained.
Jillygee, Steve has been doing this for years. There are many accounts. He approaches the person and tells them no pictures allowed and to delete what they have taken. And people are so taken aback by his threatening manner they do it. I don't know about the Twitter deletions but my guess is that those folks probably got tweets from haters.
Some sound as if they think TLC pays Kate a big salary and pays for everything except utilities and school AND gives her coupons and credit cards for any other expenses one might be able to come up with and tops it off by providing Craft services for her meals.
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Based on the EVIDENCE, I do believe TLC pays for a great deal of her lifestyle at bare minimum when they are filming, and probably beyond. I don't have time to go through every piece of evidence but the bulk of it is from her journals, her behavior when I think things are free (greed) vs her behavior when it's clear something is not free (stingy), and comments from Jon about how it worked with TLC. And of course the circumstantial evidence that SHE DOESN'T WORK. How does one live such a lifestyle without working? You simply can't, come off it. TLC pays her a pretty penny.
And actually, I would even exclude utilities from your list of things not paid for. Remember in her journals, there was a discussion about utilities? Production uses up a lot of juice on their equipment, and so utilities were paid for by them. That actually, is fair. I have no doubt they don't continue to pay at least a portion of her bill for the utilities they use when filming. I'm not sure why it's so hard to accept that TLC is providing her and has provided her with a largely discounted or free lifestyle which has made this lifestyle possible when it wouldn't be any other way.
I wonder if TLC will air the sequence of events in reverse order....stocking up with supplies at Costco and Target followed by snowmageddon 2016. She talked about being out in the snow allllllll day and hinted about seeing what they built. No pictures yet so it will probably be an episode.
For me, the ultimate example of TFW's greed, and the depths to which she'll sink for a freebie, was the vow renewal. According to her own time line, the marriage was already over. But she went along with it for a free vacation, as well as scoring an episode of "Say Yes To The Dress" in the bargain. She told her children she was doing it to show that Mommy and Daddy would be together "forever."
Jillygee said... 88 Yes there was a few years ago. A reporter was at a beach house next to or near the Gosselins. She was on vacation and didn't know they would be there. She took pictures and he asked her to delete them. She wrote an article about it. If I could ***** It was Katy Hall
And of course the circumstantial evidence that SHE DOESN'T WORK. How does one live such a lifestyle without working? You simply can't, come off it. TLC pays her a pretty penny.
******* I know! How stupid can the sheep be? Kate hasn't held a JOB in a dozen years, so how the heck can she afford that lifestyle? Duh, folks: selling her kids.
I have no doubt they don't continue to pay at least a portion of her bill for the utilities they use when filming. ******* Another point the sheep fail to realize (as if that's a shocker!). The compound is not a home, it's a film set.
She took pictures and he asked her to delete them. She wrote an article about it. If I could find the article I would share it. Not sure if I have a link any more. ***** She capitulated and deleted the photos in exchange for Steve forcing Kate to pose in her bikini with her. It's flabbergasting that she did this as part of the media. Anyone in media knows darn well what's public for the taking and what's not. Steve has been illegally intimidating people for years.
She told her children she was doing it to show that Mommy and Daddy would be together "forever." ***** Well, Kate really thought is was true, so ya know, no harm to the kids and all that. They were what? 5? They totally understood. Oops, my bad. Yeah, kids get that.
Tucker's mom -Exactly ! I want a real story from someone who he told to delete the pics and they tell him NO to his rat face.
I feel so sorry for these kids' futures. When they read all the nastiness and gossip about them and see weird videos made about them. They are going to be freaked out. It's terribly sad.
Jamesvader1194 said... 23 I thought some of you here said the twins liked the filming?I would think if they did they'd be there with the other 6 there filming.Like i said,i don't see those girls wanting their own spinoff show like the duggars.Not because there's nothing interesting but i don't see them both wanting one ---------------------- I think they sometimes film the twins separately due to the child labor laws. Even on weekends kids have a limited number of hours they can be filmed. To get the most out of the camera crew I think they film the tups activities at one time and then continue with the twins later. She is nothing without the kids and it would make sense to use the camera crew all day. I think the tups were filmed going to Costco with her in the morning and then she did something else with the twins that afternoon. Do we have any reports of which kids were at Target?
And of course the circumstantial evidence that SHE DOESN'T WORK.
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She's not ashamed to admit she's the laziest woman who ever walked the face of the earth either. She says as much in her sophomorically written blog entry about the new deck:
"And, because this says it all, I have to add TimberTechs motto. It spoke to me :)…
She wanted all that isolation so filming would not disturb neighbors because folks were complaining about the traffic in the old neighborhood. Also, no prying eyes.
I really agree with any frustration anyone feels with Jon. In 2011 or 2012 PA passed a much more stringent custody law so I am dumbfounded why she has gotten away with Jon not seeing all the kids. I think he negotiated away some of his rights. And if some of the kids have verbally told him they do not want to film, then why does it continue? It would not surprise me TLC is still paying for Kate's attorneys to fight Jon and whoever has the money...wins. I think it's too little, too late with Jon because the damage is done.
The twins like what they get from mom for filming, but only Mady seems to relish it. I used to feel sorry for Cara but her attitude is not great either. As a mom, their behavior would embarrass me in front of other adults. They are a product of Kate's child rearing so why are there people who think she's a great mom?
She's like the midget who grows a beard, dresses himself like a caveman and travels with the circus as the prehistoric man discovered in the Himalayans. Seen it, now let's go see the five-legged goat.
Hey, super offensive, the word midget. We prefer little person, dwarf is acceptable. You never know who is in your audience. Thank you.
@Fleecing the sheeple Milo's a liar like Kate.She saids the Kate haters on twitter keep making new accounts to harass her,yet No 1 has made any new accounts and get this,she unblocks some of them after blocking them.Which shows she does love the attention.Here's a tweet which she straight up lies and saids Kate has over a million twitter followers and yet she has over 257,000 and some of them aren't even on twitter and some are paid bots.Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack Jan 26 @Kateplusmy8 @TLC And how about your over a quarter a million twitter followers who support you here! :) #SorryMissedShow #CableOut
And actually, I would even exclude utilities from your list of things not paid for. Remember in her journals, there was a discussion about utilities? Production uses up a lot of juice on their equipment, and so utilities were paid for by them. That actually, is fair. I have no doubt they don't continue to pay at least a portion of her bill for the utilities they use when filming. I'm not sure why it's so hard to accept that TLC is providing her )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Never read in the book, either version, that TLC paid the utilities. Stick to the facts. We certainly don't need to be putting out lies or starting rumors.
Isn't it legal to take a picture on public property regardless of who is in the frame?
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As long as you are on public property. If it's a private property the owner can tell you you can't take photos while ON the property, but that's up to the owner, not Steve. 90% of the time when someone is telling you you can't take pictures they're full of it.
National and state parks have been a big problem lately. Rangers will come around and give photographers with more than point and shoots grief about taking photos claiming they need permits. For commercial use they can ask for a permit but they have no right to tell someone taking photos for their personal collection not to do that. I saw a sign last week at the Paramount Ranch in California forbidding all photos without a permit. I took them anyway, that's completely improper to say we can't do so in a public park.
If you're really concerned carry a photographer's bill of rights around with you. Let's see Rat Claws get served with that.
Also is this deckdude's other account?If so,why couldn't they get the deck guy to be Kate's date?Reading this dude's other account,this guy sounds like hes in love with Kate Matty Ashton @TheHatTrick33 Jan 28 @Kateplusmy8 This beautiful lady dealt with many obstacles on top of 8 children! N can still smile..I think she is an inspiration to parents
Oh crap my bad i read her tweet wrong i thought she was implying that Kate has over a million twitter followers but still not that many even go on twitter anymore and didn't someone here found out that 90% of her followers are bots?
Also is this deckdude's other account?If so,why couldn't they get the deck guy to be Kate's date?Reading this dude's other account,this guy sounds like hes in love with Kate Matty Ashton @TheHatTrick33 Jan 28 @Kateplusmy8 This beautiful lady dealt with many obstacles on top of 8 children! N can still smile..I think she is an inspiration to parents
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He is married and just tweeted from a trip to Disney with his family.
PA Department of L&I has an online form you can subm it for complaints. They can at least be made aware of filming and whether proper permits have been obtained.
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As long as you are on public property. If it's a private property the owner can tell you you can't take photos while ON the property, but that's up to the owner, not Steve. 90% of the time when someone is telling you you can't take pictures they're full of it. ****** What if Kate whines to her Flying Monkey and he tells you to delete? JK! It was funny during the RV trip when Kate tried to get Steve to go over to another RV and tell a guy to delete the photos he took of them. Steve knew darn well that he really shouldn't pull that sh*t on camera. Poor Kite.
Kate Matty Ashton @TheHatTrick33 Jan 28 @Kateplusmy8 This beautiful lady dealt with many obstacles on top of 8 children! N can still smile..I think she is an inspiration to parents
****** I think Jon's an inspiration to all men who are married to Harpies.
ucker's Mom said... 120 Kate Matty Ashton @TheHatTrick33 Jan 28 @Kateplusmy8 This beautiful lady dealt with many obstacles on top of 8 children! N can still smile..I think she is an inspiration to parents ****** Well heck, I'd be sporting an ear to ear grin if I was getting an enormous deck for peanuts, then getting paid to have a party on it. What exactly is so hard about Kate's life? She's rich, lives in a mansion, travels the world for free, gets access, free surgery, free you name it, and has a staff. Oh, and NO JOB.
I remember the episode from the Please Touch Museum when Rat Claws made a woman delete her photos and I think she was too intimidated to object.
"Did all the crap she bought at Costco even fit in whatever vehicle Steve drive (you know he did)?"
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As far as her getting supplies for free, yes, these are all part of production and as such, TLC would pay for everything that goes into the show. I wouldn't expect her to pay for those things if they are included in production costs. I do understand the frustration, though, of many people who see this as grifting. What happens to these products when filming is over? If they purchase shovels, does she keep them; if they buy snow melt, they use it in the episode, but she gets the benefit of it without having to buy it herself. I think that's what is so frustrating to many people. TLC pays for it; she stocks up, and she keeps it. It's the best of all worlds for her.
I have to agree, Tucker's Mom, and will not let Jon off the hook totally re: his children. Of course he knew the temperament of TFW. It is as though he has been brow beaten for so long that he just "threw up his hands". The way it appears from this view is he is just "going with the flow" and avoiding confrontation. There is a piece missing in this story. Not sure what it is. When we heard, "I am in charge and that is never going to change" out of TFW's loud mouth, she truly meant it and TLC is backing her at every turn. It's interesting how thousands of single/divorced parents make sacrifices so their children can have extra-curricular activities and this rich TFW only does fun things at TLC's expense. Thinking of the word cheap at this moment.
Thinking of the word cheap at this moment. ****** I'll add miserly and selfish. Heaven forbid those kids get involved in Scouts or sports and usurp filming time.
I think Jon's an inspiration to all men who are married to Harpies. ******************* Oh, definitely! I think all men married to "harpies" should be inspired to give up legal custody of their children and not pay child support. That's in the best interest of children everywhere! Aim high, gentlemen!
When I was with a touring celebrity there were some venues that didn't allow photos to be taken inside the venue and bags were checked before admittance was allowed. Those concert-holders were not only told that no pictures could be taken, but I remember one specific venue in Florida that wouldn't allow digital cameras to be taken inside, even though the group performing had no objections. Those with cameras were told that either they take the cameras back to their cars or they couldn't enter the property. If the cameras were the old dinosaur type that used film you could take them inside but not before security stood there and watched you open the camera, rip out the film and they searched your bags to make sure that you had no extra film with you. If your vacation photos were on that camera, too bad, so sad for you. They were gone.
Problem there was that many of those people were tourists, who either walked to the venue or took cabs or public transportation. They had no cars there. This, of course, meant that there was no place for them to put their cameras. The venue said that it had no place to store the cameras and were not responsible for them. Their suggestion was to throw away the cameras. What to do? Miss the show? Security was not about to bend any rules for anyone. It was not a pleasant situation.
There were so many complaints that I was called to solve the problem. Fun times. I remember taking a large cooler/chest to the front gate, and I said that I would be responsible for the cameras, giving out tags for proof of ownership and attaching them to the cameras. After the show, the cameras were claimed by their rightful owners who showed their claim tags. Everyone was happy.
This was several years ago, before iPhones, so I can't imagine the issues that would occur now if phones are being used to take photos. Cameras are one thing, but phones are something else. Would all concert-goers have to turn over their phones before entering the venue? I can't imagine that fiasco.
Steve telling someone to delete photos on public property is a joke. I think that many people don't know their rights and wouldn't question him. He must feel so important. I guess it's all part of the day in the life of a road manager.
I do not begrudge Kate and Jon Gosselin signing on with TLC in the beginning. Raising eight kids is expensive (although I believe she plotted the whole multiple thing). What is frustrating is her ungratefulness (despite her tweet and she made sure TLC saw it), her greed, her lack of graciousness, and her unrelenting filming of those kids who would rather not film. If she had any talent, and God knows she's had many opportunities, she could have made her own career rather than continuing down this path of being owned by a corporation.
As far as Jon, some deal had to have been cut because a father has the same rights as the mother. Jon needs to stop blaming TLC and face the fact he failed to protect his children because he wanted freedom more. All he had to do, IMO, was finish out his contract with TLC and then walk away. It would have been over. It was disingenuous of him to say he did not want the divorce played out on TV because he said himself TLC wanted the family to stay together for the good of the show. I think the sacrifice would have been worth it and he could have equally fought Kate in court over custody.
Some of these people are just so, well...I don't know!
Coperto @GAC_Fan_RikRak 1h1 hour ago @Kateplusmy8 I have 8 kids also. I can't keep my house clean! Help! ;)
Coperto @GAC_Fan_RikRak Bored, Saturday, Bored!!! Why can't 10PM be here already! Ready for some Zak, Aaron, Jay, and Billy!
I looked at the timeline and she is sitting around for nine hours waiting for Ghost Adventures to begin. Clean your house if it's such a mess! Kate's not going to help you.
Thanks, Cruisin. Interesting story. With phones, people are not willing to give those up. What venues don't want are flashes going off in the performers' eyes.
Regarding the tags, I know you can buy them but it still doesn't answer why she had them out like a deck of playing cards. Anyway, 100 certain those bags were on TLC's dime. The woman must make a wish list for each episode.
This silly argument again? do you realize how ridiculous it sounds to whine incessantly about the poor working Gosselin children while simultaneously claiming that their mother, who appears on film with them, does not work?
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Well I can only speak for myself but my comment was said in the context of the ridiculous notion that Kate somehow doesn't get as much paid for by TLC as we contend. I completely disagree, I do believe TLC funds her lifestyle and that is based on the fact that she obviously does not need to work otherwise. I should have said, she doesn't "otherwise" work, other than doing the show. So in other words I brought up she doesn't work OTHERWISE to prove TLC completely funds her lifestyle, not to say that she doesn't literally work.
I think the kids are working. I think Kate is working. That said, Kate has finagled a way to work such that she is doing exactly what she would do in her fantasy world anyway. Trips, spending money, home improvements like landscaping and decks, etc. This is her fantasy, not the children's.
What's more, the kids have another full time job: school. When they are not in school they should occupy the bulk of their time on activities that will enrich them and build them up socially and emotionally, like sports, scouts and friends, as well as a fair amount of free play where they just are kids. An adult who works doesn't usually have to also go to school or work on their social and emotional skills. Or if they do, it's by choice. Kate does not also have school, homework and social activities to worry about when she is working. Unlike her children.
The kids don't have a choice and even if they did they're not old enough to decide it's in their best interest to give up those important things.
Thanks, Cruisin. Interesting story. With phones, people are not willing to give those up. What venues don't want are flashes going off in the performers' eyes. (TLC, 131).
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You're welcome, TLC. I had forgotten about that until the discussion here about photos and peoples' rights.
I suppose some performers don't want a multitude of flashes going off, but many are used to bright lights, cameras flashing, onstage light effects, psychedelics, etc. The concern is in videotaping/copyright violations regarding shows.
Sunday afternoon someone tweeted a picture of TFW with a young woman. The picture was taken in the lobby of a Target store (the check-out desks were in the background). The picture and tweet were only 'up' for a few minutes. Before the tweet was deleted someone had time to respond "why is K8 face all red? She looks really weird." That tweet remains.
Just wondering if Steve used intimidation to get the young woman to delete the picture she appeared to be so proud of.
TLC said, "I think the sacrifice would have been worth it and he could have equally fought Kate in court over custody."
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Maybe he just couldn't live with her one more minute. I doubt that many could have put up with what he did and for so long. Everyone has a breaking point, and he must have realized that he had to get out of that situation to preserve his own sanity.
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What venues don't want are flashes going off in the performers' eyes.
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Most flashes even commercial grade ones extend just a few feet. Unless you were front row and brought in the equipment of Annie Liebowitz, you'd never be able to bring a flash in that would harm a performer's eyes.
What is frustrating is her ungratefulness (despite her tweet and she made sure TLC saw it), her greed, her lack of graciousness, and her unrelenting filming of those kids who would rather not film.
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I find her more contemptible than I do frustrating. It's not THAT she's amassed wealth and all the adornments that come with it, it's HOW she got rich. Putting aside the fact for a minute that she's still using her kids, Kate and Jon deceived people into believing they were on the verge of homelessness when they went on their speaking tours. Maybe they were struggling in the beginning but after they got to a more secure place financially they should have stopped asking people to donate to their cause.
At least Jon got a conscience and backed out of those speaking engagements but Kate's greedy, insatiable appetite for money and attention bordered on criminal because she continued to stand in front of audiences and lie to them about their financial situation. Defrauding people is where it all started.
The only thing i will say is that,i've notice some Kate fans that say Jill and Jessa exploit their children,but some how Kate isn't.Whats the difference?Why is it ok for Kate to use her kids and not Jill and Jessa?Why is it that the fans willingly accept the rumors that Jill and jessa of running a fraudulent ministry but deny that Kate screwed over churchs?SMH is this another case of sheep hypocrisy
I agree. They lied and committed fraud when they did the church cycle. They were the darlings of the right to lifers because Kate chose not to do selective reduction. They did not need people's donations.
Oh, and the just one more? All they needed to do was in vitro fertilization like her first doctor recommended. Proves she wanted multiples because she shopped around for another doc.
Times are changing...parental alienation awareness. TFW better watch out http://www.familylawexpress.com.au/family-law-news/familylawcourts/precedent/mother-loses-custody-after-preventing-judge-takes-girl-away-from-selfish-mum-and-gives-her-to-dad-in-custody-battle/2688/
There appears to be an utter lack of balance in the children's lives when you consider what they are not doing. Of course, we do not have the whole story, but we have been exposed to a lot of it. I, like others, am disgusted by the grifting and the ungratefulness that is obvious by TFW and now the attitudes we see from some of the kids. It's just time for the Gosselins to retire to their hobby farm and enjoy life. Jon did mention that the children are well off financially per good investments so this continuing to film truly benefits TFW's lifestyle. I, too, believe she is living out her fantasy of what she has dreamed of her entire life. Somehow, it elevates her and makes her appear even more conceited with no self-awareness or concern for others. She has blown a lot of chances. Sickening, really. And yes, I, too, believe she manipulated having multiples for financial gain and personal attention.
Her attitude has filtered down to some of the children. There will be a price to pay down the road with all the heavy stink of entitlement.
There may be money set aside for college right now, but costs are rising. The kids are average, no scholarship material at this point. After college expenses, what will be left? And I bet Jon doesn't know what is going on with their money since he and Kate do not co-parent nor speak. He knows he put money aside for them but Kate is not going to reveal what she saves or spends.
I don't see all the kids going to college. I have a feeling Mady will want a career in reality tv. I don't see her buckling down and doing the hard work, or getting a job, just like her mom. Reality tv has been like a magic genie for those kids, with everything showing up at their doorstep, from clothes to toys and outrageously decadent and useless things like Crooked Houses. They have no idea how real life works. Most of us have our work ethic from watching our parents work. All the G kids know is filming.
Why is it that the fans willingly accept the rumors that Jill and jessa of running a fraudulent ministry but deny that Kate screwed over churchs?SMH is this another case of sheep hypocrisy
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Have the Kate fans ever addressed the issue of scamming church people for donations? Do they just ignore it, or if the issue comes up, do they deflect? I've not seen any of them justify Kate's actions, but then again, I don't follow the timelines of the really screwy die-hard fans, and I doubt if the drive-by teens and young 20-somethings are even aware of it.
Most flashes even commercial grade ones extend just a few feet. Unless you were front row and brought in the equipment of Annie Liebowitz, you'd never be able to bring a flash in that would harm a performer's eyes.
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Not to mention the fact that most seasoned performers are so used to it that it wouldn't even faze them.
This silly argument again? do you realize how ridiculous it sounds to whine incessantly about the poor working Gosselin children while simultaneously claiming that their mother, who appears on film with them, does not work?
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Why does he/she continue to read here if the comments are ridiculous and silly and we are all assholes? Seriously? Just to shit-stir? To provoke admin? It's just so typically sheeple and it starts to get downright nettlesome and schmuckish (as per AuntieAnn!).
Sheeple -- by their wool (and droppings) shall you know them. Hopefully it will soon be time for spring shearing.
How do we know how any of them are doing academically or that a scholarship is out of the question by the time they graduate? February 1, 2016 at 3:58 PM ***** I've no idea how they do in school and I don't take Kate's word on the subject. I think they all seem verbally behind for their age and overall immature, so I would guess that they're not going to suddenly excel and become academic scholarship material.
Have the Kate fans ever addressed the issue of scamming church people for donations? Do they just ignore it, or if the issue comes up, do they deflect?
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They're favorite is 'it's in the past and you're STILL talking about it.'
That's like saying stealing money is okay -- if you did it yesterday.
Kate working. Most adults don't get paid for buying their groceries or taking vacation. Most people don't make a living doing that. In fact these activities COST most adults. AND Kate is only making money at these same activities being filmed because her uterus was once a clown car. What's it like to be on the beach for and with so many kids, shopping with the kids? Honestly I don't care. The point is, her work has been made very, SIMPLE, at the cost of the children's privacy and childhood.
Just another comment on the "no photos" nonsense from Steve.
The difference is this. It's one thing to own private property and you as the owner don't want pictures. That's perfectly legal. What Steve does though is not say you can't take photos because of the private property; rather he's saying you can't take photos because it's KATE. Or the show, or whatever. That has no basis in any kind of law or regulation. Unless the property owners tell the photographer they can't take photos on the property (of anyone, for that matter), Steve has no authority to do that.
That works in North Korea, not the great U.S. of A. So snap away, peeps.
Never read in the book, either version, that TLC paid the utilities. Stick to the facts. We certainly don't need to be putting out lies or starting rumors.
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Excuse me, I'm not trying to "lie" or start rumors.
I distinctly remember reading about the utilities, as I recall in reference to the lights being installed in the house. I thought it was in the book, but perhaps it was somewhere else. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, prove me wrong--it's not an attempt to "lie." There's so much information out there about this family we could fill volumes and unfortunatly it's not available in an organized fashion. If someone makes a mistake, the mature thing we do here is bring it to their attention in a polite manner. I don't assume someone is lying if they get mixed up. I assume, they got mixed up.
Maybe we need a Gosselin "bible" to organize it. Though why do that when we have a perfectly good blog historian.
It was funny during the RV trip when Kate tried to get Steve to go over to another RV and tell a guy to delete the photos he took of them. Steve knew darn well that he really shouldn't pull that sh*t on camera.
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Or in a National Park. Don't even go there. You could call the ACLU on that. That's a matter of public concern what our tax-funded parks are being used for.
Im just going to take a guess and say Kate and milo will probably whine tomorrow about Kate not being on and then she'll probably tease her fans with the emotes.Then again if were lucky LOM finally did the right thing and blocked TLC from their cable Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 3m3 minutes ago @Kateplusmy8 Well...this is really not good...our cable just went out!!!!
Admin (#156), any clues about what "many obstacles" that woman is referring to? By all accounts, TFW has lived a charmed life ever since she found out she was expecting the tups. Why is she now portrayed as some kind of survivor?
I'm pretty sure the info. about TLC paying for utilities is in Robert's book. He's seen the paperwork. It just makes sense that Kate would get reimbursement for using her house at a film set. It's not a reach by any means. I'm sure she gets to write a lot of stuff off.
Kate GosselinVerified account @Kateplusmy8 13m13 minutes ago Lex: we're basically a school of fish. #8KidsInTheFamily #ICantReallyArgue #UniquePerspectiveOnLife #LoveHerSoMuch ***** More like a sweatshop.
Not to mention the fact that most seasoned performers are so used to it that it wouldn't even faze them. (rainbows, 147).
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Yes, and if it's a daytime outdoor show, they don't even see the flashes. The bright sunlight in their eyes is more bothersome than camera flashes. It can be blinding.
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From RH's book:
*When the babies were six months old, family members, friends and neighbors got a letter containing the Gosselins' account number with the electric company, in case anyone felt moved to pay the couple's bill. (A TLC spokeswoman says the letter came from friends looking to help the Gosselins.)*
@Kateplusmy8 Lex: we're basically a school of fish. #8KidsInTheFamily #ICantReallyArgue #UniquePerspectiveOnLife #LoveHerSoMuch ***** More like a sweatshop.
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I'm sure TFW didn't see anything wrong with the way the Dionne quints were put on display and ogled by the public either since she's done that to her own children.
How sad, or I guess I should say, how sick, that TFW sees nothing wrong and thinks it's simply a 'unique perspective' that her 11 yr old daughter feels like her family is living their lives like fish in a fishbowl. What an awful feeling that must be for the kids. Yes, indeedy, some therapy is in the future for more than just a few of them, I predict.
Kate GosselinVerified account @Kateplusmy8 26m26 minutes ago Lex: we're basically a school of fish. #8KidsInTheFamily #ICantReallyArgue #UniquePerspectiveOnLife #LoveHerSoMuch
No individuality?
Wouldn't that be more like a shoal of fish, which means staying together in a group for a specific purpose? In their case, working to support their mother...
Kate has #eight kids? When did all of that happen?
I wonder if Kate knows the urban slang meaning of "school of fish."
The kids are average, no scholarship material at this point.
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How do we know how any of them are doing academically or that a scholarship is out of the question by the time they graduate?
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I absolutely agree. We don't know about the academic abilities of the kids, nor should we. You can't tell academic potential by watching people on TV. You can't even tell it by casual encounters in real life.
We don't know about the academic abilities of the kids, nor should we.
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No we shouldn't. It's none of our damn business except that Kate has made a business out of their lives.
And IIRC she has tweeted or talked about how well her kids are doing in school, but who knows if that's just another lie or not. She's falsified so much of their lives it's hard to believe anything she says.
I'm not the one who finds that hard to accept. It's those who bemoan Kate's getting (grifting) all this free stuff that seem to find it hard to accept. And, if TLC is filming inside using mega watt lighting, they should pay-again, cost of production. Not a problem for me.
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I never said it was a problem for me either. In fact I specifically said they probably should pay for utilities if they are sucking up so much of them.
The point is though, that paying for things like that make Kate not having to work a job other than for TLC a heck of a lot easier.
They pay for so much and as a result Kate's life doesn't have to include another job anymore--that was the point.
I don't know why posters are being judged for not liking it when someone who doesn't deserve it gets endless freebies. If it doesn't bother you, fine, but no reason to criticize those who it does. People come from different places and some people have been subjected to more hardship, bad luck or "good and hard work not winning out" than others, which can help make that chord strike harder than others. Or maybe it just strikes hard for no reason at all, just 'cause. Be respectful of that.
TLC stinks said... 130 "As far as Jon, some deal had to have been cut because a father has the same rights as the mother. Jon needs to stop blaming TLC and face the fact he failed to protect his children because he wanted freedom more." *************** You are so right that fathers have the same rights as mothers. So many of the reasons tossed around for Jon not having joint legal custody and more visitation just seem far-fetched. There are only so many legal maneuvers that can be performed in a family law matter. It doesn't make sense to me that having more money to fight gave Kate an upper hand. The hourly fee an attorney charges is in no way a measure of the attorney's legal capability. And, at least in my state, the courts have guidelines for the length of time in which family law cases are expected to be concluded. Family law judges are reviewed to make sure their dockets are running in accordance with the guidelines, and have to explain why any cases drag on longer. So either way, Kate having more money to hire a more expensive lawyer wouldn't equate to victory and there is no correlation between having more money and a case dragging out. Yes, high asset cases usually take a little longer to make sure all assets are discovered, but not long enough that the party with lesser funding for an attorney would be adversely affected.
I've never seen a family law case where the results favored the party who had more money. Family courts are responsible, at their core, for making fair and equitable divisions. Often the party with fewer resources has their attorney's fees and costs ordered paid by the party with more income or earning potential.
Jon's reasons for not fighting, giving up legal custody, not going back to court, etc. just don't add up.
I've never seen a family law case where the results favored the party who had more money.
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I totally respect your take on it but I've had 100% the opposite experience. Money in family is, usually, everything. Add to that a pr machine behind a parent and whoever tlc picked was going to win. There is no doubt in my mind if they staked Jon there would be a completely different result.
Specifically page NY Times expose had this to say about Heller:
When Jonathan K. Gosselin, the father of twins and sextuplets on the reality show “Jon & Kate Plus 8,” appeared on “Larry King Live” amid the tabloid frenzy over his being photographed in nightclubs with women who were not Kate, he assured Mr. King that things were looking up. “I have a great lawyer now,” Mr. Gosselin said. “Mark Heller.”
For the divorce case, Mr. Heller needed to gain admission to the bar in Pennsylvania, where the Gosselins lived. It is a routine process requiring that a local lawyer vouch for the outsider; Michael Marino, who is semiretired after a career that included a stint as the district attorney in Montgomery County, Pa., agreed to sponsor the stranger.
“Here’s where I’m the jerk,” Mr. Marino said later, because he knew nothing about the case or the celebrities in it. “I don’t want to sound like a snob, but I don’t watch that kind of television.”
Having a sponsor did not help Mr. Heller. Ms. Gosselin’s lawyers successfully challenged his appearance, saying he violated Pennsylvania’s rules requiring applicants to list every time they had been suspended, disbarred or otherwise disciplined. So at court hearings, Mr. Heller had to sit in the gallery with the rest of the onlookers.
At the same time, Discovery Talent Services, which represents the TLC network and “Jon & Kate,” sued Mr. Gosselin in Maryland for breach of contract. Edward Sabin, chief operating officer of TLC, testified at a hearing on a motion for a preliminary injunction against Mr. Gosselin in Circuit Court in Montgomery County, Md., on Dec. 10 that Mr. Heller screamed at a TLC lawyer — “shook her up quite a bit, and hung up on her eventually.” Later, when Mr. Sabin rejected Mr. Heller’s request for Mr. Gosselin to appear on the E! Entertainment network for a “tell-all interview,” Mr. Sabin said that Mr. Heller responded “explosively.”
“I’m going to embarrass you! You’re going to regret this!” he recalled Mr. Heller shouting.
The judge in the case, Michael D. Mason, ruled for the network.
“When the sextuplets were about 6 months old, an email was going around from them, asking for financial help. They were telling a tale of having absolutely no money, and not knowing how they were going to survive. I received the email, and it had very detailed information about how to contact the utilities and mortgage company to pay their bills. “There was also a fund set up through their church. There was a huge outpouring of generosity from their community. Family and friends stepped up and gave money, offered time, tried to help in every way imaginable. “Disbelief set in a few months later. We found out (by their own admission) that all along, they had a rather large sum of money in their savings account. Let's just say it was more than I made in a year working full time when I came out of nursing school. They had been giving everyone this story of being financially destitute, when all along, a very wealthy family member was still this way, offering plates being passed and people (who really can’t afford it) digging deep into their pockets, giving money to a family who probably makes well more than twice as much money as they do – just for the show. I’m not even including the freebies and all of the money they get from product endorsements and appearances. I find that disturbing! “Why mislead good people? Speak at the churches, collect your money from the network, promote your show, but don’t be dishonest. Don’t tell people your kids don’t have a college fund, and don’t continue to tell tales of being financially destitute. I can hear it now, ‘who am I to say no?’ It’s my opinion that it’s their obligation to tell the truth and stop collecting love offerings.” Jon and Kate put it another way on their website: “We ask others to please pray for us as we go through terrible financial and family hardships. It is hard to let people into our personal lives but we are praying that people could walk in our shoes for one day and understand that God has given us these children and we are responsible to raise them the best we can. Please pray that Kate and I can do this with help of all our awesome volunteers that God has provided us. Amen.”
I stood at utility sink for 8 hours straight once… 8 sets of sheets w chunks… Agreed.. Wasn’t fun! :(
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There is no way in Jello that she stood at the utility sink for 8 hours to try to clean 8 sets of sheets with chunks! Did the kids have a marathon vomit-fest? You wouldn't be able to stand there at the utility sink because of the smell. She thinks everybody believes every word she says.
If they were that bad, you take them outside put them on the clothesline and spray them down with the water hose and let the sun dry them. Then bring them in and wash them with a little Lysol disinfectant, bleach and then take them out in the sun and let them dry. Less than 2 hours work.
And IIRC she has tweeted or talked about how well her kids are doing in school, but who knows if that's just another lie or not. She's falsified so much of their lives it's hard to believe anything she says.
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I don't think she's done that for quite some time, has she? If not, it's a good thing. I remember when she said that the kids were ranked at the top of their class and was caught in that whopper because the school doesn't rank students. Oops, Kate.
I remember when she said that the kids were ranked at the top of their class and was caught in that whopper because the school doesn't rank students. Oops, Kate.
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Reasonable minds can disagree but I always gave her a pass on that comment. Lots of parents I think use that expression "top of their class" to mean a child does very well in school. Not that they literally rank the students or they've literally seen other students' grades. Most schools don't start ranking until sophomore, junior years anyway.
To her credit, like you said she hasn't mentioned how they are doing in school in a long time. That's good, even if that means they're doing poorly and she only doesn't mention it because she's embarrassed. The point is school has been kept relatively private for them. It's one of the few areas Kate does well. If you have to put your kid on TV the least you can do is allow them to have privacy in their schooling and grades. See, I can compliment her when she does things right!
Mady herself did say school isn't her strong suit. Grade and high school isn't everything. Other half went to Columbia and was a D student in high school. He got in because he took time off from high school did some impressive projects and so forth. It was enough for the school to forgive the D's and admit him. The kids strike me as average in so many ways including intelligence, but they may find their niche. And, I do believe their school is an academically good school. I think it's better they just pull average grades at a competitive school than to pull straight A's at a less rigorous school.
Off topic: the caucus is a DEAD HEAT between Hillary and Sanders. WOW.
Some of the best attorneys I know make 55,000 a year. But in general the more you pay the better you get. It's not just the quality of the attorney you are paying for. You are paying for someone to spend more time on your case, have a support staff to help, and able to afford things like the best experts, research, strategies. Someone with deep pockets could have brought in one of the best parental alienation experts in the country to testify. Jon can't afford something like that.
Even with all other things being equal the attorney with more time, money and support has a huge edge.
It's absolutely true the little guy can win. But it's much harder.
I don't find anything hinky about the family law case. I think it shook out pretty predictably in a parental alienation case in front of a judge who won't take charge. It's okay, few know how to handle this. You almost need to be extensively trained in how to handle parental alienation. I've only really seen a couple judges good at it, in particular an excellent judge who was willing to do the nutty thing and flip custody on parental alienation cases even with sex abuse allegations flying around. That is not in my experience the norm. Too much liability.
I think the hinky thing is this. Jon is Jon. He is a B type personality. He believes strongly in not rocking the boat if it will upset his kids. He is never going to drag a kid kicking and screaming into his car to have a visit. That's not him, never will be. If the shoe were on the other foot Kate would do that, absolutely. If anything is hinky it's simply that Jon can't bring himself to do some of the things he would need to do in order to fix this.
Jon is very different from Kate and the kids need someone different from her. His personality has been good for his children sometimes, and other times lead to disastrous results. He can't unring a lot of bells. And yet many other things they have done I think will have a huge impact in a positive way on the children, especially when they are adults with adult thoughts and feelings of their own about their childhood.
They were telling a tale of having absolutely no money, and not knowing how they were going to survive. I received the email, and it had very detailed information about how to contact the utilities and mortgage company to pay their bills.
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THAT'S what's sticking in my brain. I knew there was something very detailed about the utilities in Robert's book. I'm not crazy after all. Thank you everyone.
Where I live the Middle School and the High School keep a running account of the Top 10 in each grade. At the end of the year a Top 10 picture is posted in the newspaper, the members of the National Honor Society are always lined for pictures according to GPA, top students are invited to a fancy dinner in June with the Superintendent and Principals, etc. It is a really big thing designed to serve as a reward for the elite and an incentive for everybody else.
Personally, I think good grades have developed quite an ego around here.
Lots of parents I think use that expression "top of their class" to mean a child does very well in school. Not that they literally rank the students or they've literally seen other students' grades. Most schools don't start ranking until sophomore, junior years anyway.
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I agree that parents say "top of their class" because they believe that their child is doing well. However, Kate said, right after a parent-teacher conference, that the kids were "ranked" at the top of their class. She would not have been told that in those words. I remember when it happened. In fact, if I recall, it was said not once, but twice.
Right now I am Sleepless in PA. Can Rumspringa be used as a sleeping aid? ;) I've been watching Iowa, and Cruz surprised the heck out of me, with Clinton and Sanders in a dead heat and they are calling it a tie. Why do I have a craving for chocolate chip pancakes or an egg mcmuffin?
This is the thing about1099's: only individuals (sole proprietor) nsfs partnerships receive 1099's. If their pay was run through a corporation, it is not reported to the IRS. This doesn't mean that any perks received are not reportable--they absolutely are. But, if a corporation has been set up, then they will not receive1099s. The Irs guidelines are that all forms of compensation of money, goods or services must be reporte. Hiwever, regarding the hous, there is a loophole that gets around this. If TLC rents the house fore filming, they can make permenant improvements that are not required to be reported as income-only the rental fees would be considered as income on taxes.
Then bring them in and wash them with a little Lysol disinfectant, bleach and then take them out in the sun and let them dry. Less than 2 hours work.
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Wash them with Lysol? I never heard of that.
That reminds me of the time when I threw some white sheets into the washing machine and used bleach. I had forgotten that there were some kids' colored sheets in there. Pink racing cars and tie-dyed Tank Engine Thomas weren't too happily received. At least Spiderman was spared.
Oh, and I forgot that every grade from 4th to 12th has its Honor Roll listed in the local newspaper every semester. The kids names are listed from highest GPA to lowest, not alphabetically. So, everyone knows that Kathy Sue Jones barely made the 9th Grade Honor Roll this time because her name is last and Karen Lou Johnson is headed for valedictorian.
PA Dutch Mom said... 192 Then bring them in and wash them with a little Lysol disinfectant, bleach and then take them out in the sun and let them dry. Less than 2 hours work.
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Wash them with Lysol? I never heard of that.
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Yes, the brown bottle of Lysol disinfectant. My mother has used it for decades and still does. You only put a cap or two in the wash. In the commericals, Lysol recommends putting it in a load of cloth diapers.
If anything is hinky it's simply that Jon can't bring himself to do some of the things he would need to do in order to fix this. ******* I wonder at what point does this passivity become neglect? At what point does fracturing the bond between parent and child become irreparable? At what point does one step up and be a parent who exercises their authority because they are the adult and realize what's best for the child in the long run?
I can't wrap my head around why Jon isn't getting visitation from some of his kids. This argument about whether deep pockets has given Kate the advantage is rather mute when it comes to 4/6 or 4/8 kids coming down the driveway when Jon arrives. Jon has court ordered visitation. It's won. It's done. Enforcing that has to start with Jon, and as they say, a fish stinks from the head. Something here is awry.
Since we don't know specifically what Jon did or didn't do in regards to custody I think it's unfair to judge whether it adds up or not.
****** But we do, don't we? Jon takes whatever kids show up (he's been saying this for YEARS now). I've never once heard or read Jon saying that it's unacceptable and he calls the cops to have Kate (or whomever is taking care of them) produce them as ordered. And we do know, from Jon himself, that the courts have awarded him the kids one night a week and every other weekend. Custody is not in question. It's what happens or doesn't happen when custody is supposed to be enforced.
I agree that parents say "top of their class" because they believe that their child is doing well. However, Kate said, right after a parent-teacher conference, that the kids were "ranked" at the top of their class. She would not have been told that in those words. I remember when it happened. In fact, if I recall, it was said not once, but twice. ***** No pass for Kate on this for me either. She lies like she breathes. Kate lied about the kids being expelled because that's not the work the school uses. I don't care what you call it, the kids were kicked out.
Right now I am Sleepless in PA. Can Rumspringa be used as a sleeping aid? ;) I've been watching Iowa, and Cruz surprised the heck out of me, with Clinton and Sanders in a dead heat and they are calling it a tie. Why do I have a craving for chocolate chip pancakes or an egg mcmuffin?
******** Mmm...Egg McMuffin. Clinton edged Bernie out by the skin of her teeth. Ted Cruz beat Trump.
In other PA rodent news, we will have an early spring!
I am glad that the school has maintained the kids' privacy and Kate keeps her trap shut. My comment was more along the lines of the tups' maturity may relate to how well or poorly they do in school. They appear to express themselves like younger kids rather than more high functioning 11 year olds. Not sure if their maturity level is due to them being premature or Kate infantilizing them or a combination. The Mady and Cara valley girl talk dumbs them down although they may be excelling in their schoolwork.
I do applaud Kate for keeping the kids in the same school, a good one at that.
BTW, here's an article about divorced men recovering from abusive ex-wives. I love the term "Golden Uterus". Kate is a GU.
Some highlights: The golden uterus believes her interests and the child’s best interests are synonymous. There is no “you” and “I.” The golden uterus and child are “we.” It’s a crippling symbiosis for the child in that the golden uterus feeds off of her own child to feel important, powerful and special.
“A GU believes that because she gave birth, she has exclusive rights to all decision-making related to said child, no matter what anyone else (including the courts or the father) say” (anonymous source).
Golden uteri, despite the sense of superiority and entitlement they derive from the title “mother,” are typically lousy parents if not downright abusive parents. GUs are often the high-conflict, abusive personality-disordered parental alienators. They are the women who expect others, including their own children, to sacrifice everything at the altars they erect to themselves. Golden uteri lay golden eggs (children) and milk their motherhood, the children and you for all you’re worth.
GUs wield guilt over their children with staggering virtuosity. “I am your mother. I carried you for 9 months. No one will ever love you like I do. No one will ever break our bond. No one will ever come between us. I CARRIED you in my WOMB for NINE months. YOU can NEVER do that for me.”
A golden uterus mother fails at mothering and instead uses her title to extort things from others ‘in the name of the child.’ Essentially, they use their offspring as a way to get their own needs met” (anonymous source).
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«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 1515 Newer› Newest»OK... I missed the twitter that said the Costco at the Outlets. I think they maybe 50 minutes apart, which is doable. Regardless, who cares!
Can't believe that kid's neighbor HAD to sign a CA. Didn't have to sign anything. What was Steve standing at the street entrance of Costco flagging cars down and demanding that they HAD to sign a CA because they might be filmed???
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The original tweet said the person had to sign a "release" which is different than a CA - Confidentiality Agreement. When you sign a release you are acknowledging you are being filmed and might appear on a tv show. You don't have to keep anything a secret - at least I didn't when I was caught in the background on a stupid show years ago. I thought having to sign was silly, but basically they were just making sure I knew I'd be on tv and that it was OK w/me.
I thought from a previous post all eight were there, but we know it was just the tups. So my guess was correct: the twins opted out. Those girls sleep at least to noon, per Kate and the twins, so Kate can't force them into any morning filming. Just wait until the tups are 15, LOL.
Oh, we should have zero doubt Steve was in NYC on the blind date. How awkward that must have been. Jeff may have two and two together about that relationship. Jon did.
I find it interesting that he is back to being in the background. I think this is an attempt to quell the speculation so Kate could pursue the dating angle.
Her relationship with Steve is one of the things I believe Cara and Mady are aware of.
Here's the thing about the lunch siting: she, Steve and tups are gathered like a family. Where's the crew? They were not invited?
I find it interesting that he is back to being in the background. I think this is an attempt to quell the speculation so Kate could pursue the dating angle.
Her relationship with Steve is one of the things I believe Cara and Mady are aware of.
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I'm sure TLC and Kate, Steve (and apparently Deanna) regrouped and rethought putting Steve out there again. Maybe Steve had enough of the spotlight and wanted to disappear again.
It's all to make Kate appear alone, aloooooooooooooone, alooooooooooooooooooooooooooooone.
I'm hoping this Costco trip episode is the second half of the bookends. One of the earliest episodes was a shopping trip that filled flat trolleys with bread and diapers; hopefully this shopping trip with full flat trolleys will round the series out nicely. Ta ta!
Here's the thing about the lunch siting: she, Steve and tups are gathered like a family. Where's the crew? They wer
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How much money do you think TLC has?? ;) After paying for that shopping trip, lunch for 8, gas, salaries for cast and crew, do you honestly believe TLC is going to spend more cash to feed their employees? I'm snarking here of course, but seriously, if it was a lunch break for the crew they might have preferred to take a break from being Gosselin crew daddies and go eat at Applebees. Not many companies pay for employee restaurant meals anyway.
Didn't TFW tell Lites Out Vann she's never with other adults, and that's why she joked about cutting his meat? Good ol' gray-haired Steve surely qualifies as an adult.
And isn't Deanna an adult? Since she claims to talk to the G kids "constantly," she must spend
a lot of time at the house. Unless she's there babysitting while TFW is out with other adults.
Like so much of this country the same retail footprint is repeated over and over again. Iron Hill, Costco, Outlet malls....all along northern, western, suburbs of Philadelphia.
Flimsy, your Gladys hashtags are Bwahahahaha!!!
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Justin Time, I missed the St. Tony sighting!
Lydia, great idea for a drinking game! I watch old Perry Mason episodes on MeTV, most everyone on those shows are dead, but it's fun to spot the guest stars who later became famous. And fun fact, Barbara Hale who played Della Street is living and 93!
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Wow! She is the same age as Betty White.
Abe Vigoda was 93 when he died just the other day!
R.I.P Det. Phil Fish!
ARE WE DOOMED TO WATCH KATE INTO RETIREMENT?!
No, we don't have to watch at all. :)
I happen to know the person who posted the post about her friend. And I agree, thanks to TFW you have to be very careful who you give to. Even though you give to someone or a charity and they are not good stewards with it, God has seen that you gave from your heart and He will bless that and He will deal with the bad stewards in His own time.
It makes my blood boil that TWF gets paid to pretend to be a good steward on tv. It will come back to her 10 fold in His time. He promises in His Word.
Just in the first month of this year we have seen TFW on tv receive thousands upon thousands of dollars of paychecks and services and goods.
When will it stop?
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Didn't TFW tell Lites Out Vann she's never with other adults, and that's why she joked about cutting his meat? Good ol' gray-haired Steve surely qualifies as an adult.
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I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities that Kate does actually cut the kids' food still.
5. Where is it currently stated that TLC is paying for all of their on air cost.
I don't know that it is. I think, at this point, until sommeone can provide proof, it's urban legend.
When will it stop?
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I think it's up to the kids at this point. When and if they don't want to film and feel they can refuse (or live with Jon), they can get out of the fishbowl.
Kate will never stop on her own. It will come down to either TLC canceling again, her kids refusing, or Jon getting some control.
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Here's the thing about the lunch siting: she, Steve and tups are gathered like a family. Where's the crew? They were not invited?
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They go outside for a smoke break and complain about their job. lol. Working with that wacko Kate can't be easy.
The crew daddies are flies on the wall sworn to secrecy but I'll bet they talk among themselves. Their stories could probably fill a book or two or three.
Saying you are not around other adults was not a wise thing to say to a bachelor who apparently enjoys activities with adults. What a mismatch, Deanna. Also this guy is into the outdoors and is a big time sailor so the type of gal he would be interested in is someone who enjoys the same things, with no string attached too (eight kids and filming). He's also intellectually way above her. The Valley Girl talk is not a turn on either. The negative with Vann is his ego to appear on a reality show. I think that got beaten down, though. I wonder if Kate and Deanna will be able to dig up Bachelor #2 for this next "season"? There always seems to be some person who wants their 15 seconds out there, so I guess they will.
So Steve is bodyguard/road manager and what is Deanna now?Has Kate promoted her to makeup/assistant producer/reality guest?
I agree the crew probably wanted a break from their producer at lunchtime. Oh, the stories they could tell.
I don't think it's out of the realm of possibilities that Kate does actually cut the kids' food still.
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Angry, impulsive children (no matter what their last name is) cannot always be trusted with meat knives.
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5. Where is it currently stated that TLC is paying for all of their on air cost.
I don't know that it is. I think, at this point, until sommeone can provide proof, it's urban legend.
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It's my working theory that all supplies etc. that are part of the show are paid for by TLC. I don't see how featuring Costco on Kate's show could possibly be on her dime.
It was commented that Jon's appearance on the Harvey show made sense because Kate was filming another season. Of course, according to sheeple logic he is jealous. I agree it was not coincidental. It's playing the media game because he also gave Radar an interview. It's what you do to get your side of the story out. He said it himself; he is frustrated and there is nothing wrong with venting your frustration when the other party keeps you in nonstop litigation over your kids.
I thought some of you here said the twins liked the filming?I would think if they did they'd be there with the other 6 there filming.Like i said,i don't see those girls wanting their own spinoff show like the duggars.Not because there's nothing interesting but i don't see them both wanting one
It was commented that Jon's appearance on the Harvey show made sense because Kate was filming another season. Of course, according to sheeple logic he is jealous. I agree it was not coincidental.
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Except that Jon's interview was filmed back in November, according to a picture on his Instagram that shows him at the Steve Harvey studio.
So that interview had nothing to do with Kate and the kids currently filming. Although it could have been due to the new season airing in December.
ROL probably contacted Jon due to the Steve Harvey interview and Jon responded to them. I don't think it had anything to do with the fact that they are currently filming.
I don't know that it is. I think, at this point, until sommeone can provide proof, it's urban legend.
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It's my working theory that all supplies etc. that are part of the show are paid for by TLC. I don't see how featuring Costco on Kate's show could possibly be on her dime.
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That's all considered a production expense. It would be highly, highly unusual for a talent to pay out of pocket for those incidentals. Hardly urban legend, her own diary showed tlc paid for everything.
Admin (#23), TFW's shopping trip will basically be a commercial for Costco. I can't imagine they didn't pay for her haul in total, plus maybe even giving her additional gift cards for future use. As far as meals on filming day, those would be part of production costs -- either paid up front, or reimbursed.
TFW's been at this for a decade. By now, her agent/manager is savvy enough to make deals which assure not a penny comes out of her pocket.
Susan Wiske @Susan66207 2h2 hours ago
@Gardendelightfu @nicoleyoutzyy @Kateplusmy8 @AmcOrg @RepTomMurt @GosselinBook The poor Gosselin slaves have all week off from school so
I thought someone reported that they had Monday and Tuesday off with a two-hour delay on Wednesday. That's not all week. I really doubt that they filmed every day of this week. It's bad enough that they gave up their Saturday, but did she pull them out of classes all week to film?
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I must really be out of the loop here. I guess that's what happens when you spend too much time in semi-hibernation under the veranda.
Where was it reported, or tweeted that they spent all week filming and that Kate took them out of school to do so? According to locals, they only had two full days off from school, but not an entire week. Are there photos of them during the week at places other than Costco?
Also, she had gift cards in her talons when they were luggage shopping. Figure 8 forgot to edit that out, LOL.
Are the gift cards a way around some IRS thing?
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When will it stop?
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I think it's up to the kids at this point. When and if they don't want to film and feel they can refuse (or live with Jon), they can get out of the fishbowl.
Kate will never stop on her own. It will come down to either TLC canceling again, her kids refusing, or Jon getting some control.
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That's all considered a production expense. It would be highly, highly unusual for a talent to pay out of pocket for those incidentals. Hardly urban legend, her own diary showed tlc paid for everything.
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If TLC bought her a whole organic cow, they would absolutely pay that FAKE COW money for anything she needs to do an episode so they could make money and ratings.
That's all considered a production expense. It would be highly, highly unusual for a talent to pay out of pocket for those incidentals. Hardly urban legend, her own diary showed tlc paid for everything.
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I think it was during the filming at Party City for a Halloween episode that Kate went through the aisles just throwing things into her cart. She never looked at the prices. I seriously doubt she would do that if she were paying for everything out of pocket. It wasn't her money, so she didn't care about the cost of anything.
That's all considered a production expense. It would be highly, highly unusual for a talent to pay out of pocket for those incidentals. Hardly urban legend, her own diary showed tlc paid for everything.
January 31, 2016 at 9:56 AM
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Including everything that shows up at their doorstep, wherever that may be: lobster dinners, painting supplies, refinishing supplies, tie-dye supplies, camping equipment, kites, buckets, towels, Crooked Houses....
I don't see a several hundred dollar shopping spree at Costco being any different.
Today they are apparently hold Target and their Sunday customers hostage for filming.
Heidi @Heidigriffith2 · 5m5 minutes ago
When youre in target and kate gosselin walks by you being filmed 😮
tiffany lyn. △⃒⃘⚯͛ @AccioFireball · 14m14 minutes ago
Sign outside my Target about they're filming a reality tv show....Kate Gosselin must be shopping haha
Almost all production expenses are part of production. It's just part of the budget. In fact it's my understanding union rules require meals and so forth for the talent and production.
The free Costco shopping trip is nothing for a show that probably has a budget of 100,000 per episode or more.
There was a smorgasbord of food on the set of a Chris Pine movie I was on a number of years ago. All free. You could eat enough for ten people for free on any set.
And the beat goes on....
xxxxxx@xxxxxx · 31m31 minutes ago
Sign outside my Target about they're filming a reality tv show....Kate Gosselin must be shopping haha
xxxx@xxxxxx · 23m23 minutes ago
When youre in target and kate gosselin walks by you being filmed 😮
xxxxxx@xxxxxx · 34m34 minutes ago
OMFG I JUST SAW THE GOSLINGS FROM KATE PLUS 8 AT TARGET IN READING!!
Costco yesterday, Target today. What are they doing, laying in supplies for a looooong winter?
Sounds like more "riveting" TV. Who wants to watch people go shopping?
I wonder if Kate is shopping for her Super Bowl Party next Sunday, and if that will also be filmed.
FREEEEE Target shopping today! Clear the aisles, all peons. The queen has arrived with her entourage, LOL.
Kate is twit...super bowl party! Sounds like a winner. Who will be there? Every year it's just the kids. Yeah. Kate is a pretend football fan because she knows that appeals to guys (and Milo).
That $100k per episode sounds low when you consider salaries and all the crap Kate gets. I read that reality shows are typically $400k per episode for everything.
KIAT (#35), a Super Bowl party is a great guess.
Maybe that's where Lites Out Vann will have his second date? Ooh, and he could meet the kids at the same time. Smells like a 2-parter!
Guess we'll find out when it airs. Some time in
September maybe?
I sure hope it's a Super Bowl Party they'll be filming!!!! Everyone wants to see that in the middle of summer!!!
If the Super Bowl is next weekend, shouldn't they be with their dad if they are filming this weekend? Or will he bring them back early so they can film the oh so super fun?
I used to work for a syndicated television show that's still on the air and has both celeb and "everyday people" guests. We often shot remotely and any items either category of guest "purchased" was paid for by the show. Each show, and often each segment, has a separate budget determined by if it was live to tape in the studio or on location. No guest ever paid for anything, including hotel, if needed, transportation, meals, hair and makeup, and often clothing if needed for the show. Craft services was always set up no matter where we were. I can guarantee that whatever Kate picked out at Costco, or Target, or anywhere she shops while filming is paid for by TLC.
Tonight "Grease:Live" airs on Fox. Carlos Vega, of DWTS and husband of Alexa Vega(also from DWTS and one of Kate's newest celebrity crushes) will be playing the role of Kenickie.
I wonder if Kate is going to watch and tweet to them tonight? Or will she be to "exhaustedish" from all the shopping she's done in the last 2 days?
@photoshopfunnie: @lovemedietcoke @Kateplusmy8 @Costco @Sassccha @DonutsForCollin Nice game of Pocket Pool Steve is playing there! Y is he not helping? #Shame
@photoshopfunnie: @lovemedietcoke @Kateplusmy8 @Costco Y wasSteve not helping load theTONS OF FREE STUFF 4 A MILLIONAIRE?He'd B running in/out of frame right?
Non-fans are sometimes as funny as fans. I believe the picture she's talking about is the one with the kids loading groceries and Steve standing there with his arms crossed over his chest. I guess the non-fan doesn't know what "playing pocket pool" means. RB
The tups are 11 3/4. All the kids I know around that age have busy weekends. Even if the G kids aren't involved in sports, friends have birthday parties, sleepovers, and playdates. Some weekends there may be multiple parties. But even the tups were invited to something, they couldn't go if they had to work. Yes, going shopping with your mother while surrounded by cameras and microphones and gawking fans is WORK.
TFW has taken something precious from these children, and one or more will resent her for it someday. They're not sacrificing weekends to practice a sport they love, which would ultimately benefit them. Or taking lessons at an activity they want to pursue as a career someday. They're working because TFW is in charge, and that's never gonna change. And by the time she's not in charge, it'll be too late for them to reclaim the childhoods she deprived them of.
Jane (#42), thanks for your insight based on your working experience. Very informative!
You're welcome, Flimsy!
Would I rather watch Kate and her kids shop at COSCO and Target or watch paint dry? Wow that's a tough one! Ummm think I'm going to go with watching paint dry! Not sure how they are going to turn this into riveting TV. But considering the mentality of those that watch they will be mesmorized! Just how does she do it? She's wonderful! I've never seen anyone shop like that! Oh Kate please tell us your secret!
We could turn it into a guessing game, like how many jellybeans are in the jar. What is the collective worth of Kate's haul, based on prices in our own areas? Winner gets to write a scathing comment about it on Admin's blog. Wait, everyone's a winner! We can ALL write one!
Uggs has a new boyfriend. Another one. It seems like she collects these guys like some people collect stamps and coins.
Brenda Schuettler @sweetbren66
@captdope hi handsome love #superstore you crack me up !! #cloud9
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She also has a twin sister. Does anyone remember that woman on Steve Harvey who was going on and on about how sexy Steve Harvey's bald head is and how she wishes her husband would shave his head? She even made some reference to wanting to rub baby oil on it. W...T....F!!!
I remember on Jon and Kate plus 8, whenever they showed Kate shopping anywhere, she always stressed how they used coupons to save money. She even yelled at Jon for not using a coupon.
Fast forward to present day--I guess the coupons have been forgotten(as has her coupon website).
When was the last time they showed Kate using a coupon while shopping?
Thanks Jane.
Same experience. When I was a guest on the Chris Pine film helping out with the children, I got put up in a lovely hotel next door to the director and all my meals were paid for plus we had a driver. Of course the flight and airport car was also paid for. Pulled straight from the petty cash budget. There were two food sections, one for primaries and crew, the other for extras. The food in our section was better but extras was apparently quite good too. It was mostly buffet style with lots of things to choose from, and throughout the day there was an open snack bar with junk food but also yogurt and fruit. I don't know how people don't gain 20 pounds on sets.
This is normal. Kate's show is no different. It's all paid for. Whether the budget per episode is 100k or 400k a few costco carts are nothing to that budget.
That's it exactly, Admin.
The celeb guests do get more perks than the everyday folks but overall, the company/show picks up the tab for everything. Also, releases were signed by anyone in a store or on the street that might be in the final edit. It wasn't a big deal. And as social media grew, the show and celeb I worked with encouraged pictures on Twitter, etc, realizing that fans were the backbone of a successful, Emmy winning show.
Kate is so foolish. She has no idea how to use the media to her advantage and even if she figured it out ( she won't, of course) it's too late. Her nastiness and lies are all out there.
KIAT (#51) didn't TFW says she wanted to "shoot" Jon when he forgot the coupon for the shower head?
Fidosmommy (#49), knowing TFW, she's gonna make hay while the sun shines. She'll probably toss razors and shaving cream in the wagon for the boys, in case the gravy train stops before they're old enough to shave.
Gigi (#48), don't you realize this is going to be utterly fascinating because TFW has 8 KIDS??? That will make all the difference! And my goodness, they're a handful! How can you compare her riveting shopping trips to the shopping trips of any other person on the planet?
How can you compare her riveting shopping trips to the shopping trips of any other person on the planet?
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I'd like the cameras to catch the reaction of Costco customers when they were told Aisle 2 and the produce
section are closed for the unencumbered shopping experience of central PA's favorite daughter Kate Gosselin.
Singing for their supper is one way to put it when your kids are supporting you, TFW. I don't give a flying fig how much free stuff she gets from the big box stores, it is still grifting and using your own kids for financial gain. Who would ever give her the time of day if the kids were not filmed along with her? No "star" power in that mess. It is still just galling to me that someone so selfish and unlikeable can be rewarded so greatly. Sad that the kids do not have any activities such as "Scouting, church youth group, gymnastics, soccer, basketball, baseball, football, etc." I suppose their mother just cannot be bothered to take them there. Try signing them up and maybe their other parent might take them. Great idea until I remembered they must "sing for their supper."
Oh FlimsyFlamsy my bad. How did I forget Kate has 8 kids! It's not like she's constantly reminding everyone!
"Yeah. Kate is a pretend football fan because she knows that appeals to guys (and Milo)."
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Milo is a guy -- well, sort of. You just can't tell if it's a he-she.
Sherry (27)..."I must really be out of the loop here. I guess that's what happens when you spend too much time in semi-hibernation under the veranda.
Where was it reported, or tweeted that they spent all week filming and that Kate took them out of school to do so? According to locals, they only had two full days off from school, but not an entire week. Are there photos of them during the week at places other than Costco?"
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I think what could have happened is that some heard that the School District of Lancaster had off the entire week, which was true, due to the difficulty in removing snow from city streets and for the safety of the kids trying to get on the school buses. The kids' school, however, is private and not part of the district. Therefore, they did not have the entire week off, just two days.
Uggs has a new boyfriend. Another one. It seems like she collects these guys like some people collect stamps and coins.
Brenda Schuettler @sweetbren66
@captdope hi handsome love #superstore you crack me up !! #cloud9
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She also has a twin sister. Does anyone remember that woman on Steve Harvey who was going on and on about how sexy Steve Harvey's bald head is and how she wishes her husband would shave his head? She even made some reference to wanting to rub baby oil on it. W...T....F!!!
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I just wish one of these guys would invite her into his private dressing room and give her some hugs and tickles that she could never forget, and if the encounter involves baby oil, whipped cream or whatever, then so much the better.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 52
Thanks Jane.
Same experience. When I was a guest on the Chris Pine film helping out with the children, I got put up in a lovely hotel next door to the director and all my meals were paid for plus we had a driver. Of course the flight and airport car was also paid for. Pulled straight from the petty cash budget. There were two food sections, one for primaries and crew, the other for extras. The food in our section was better but extras was apparently quite good too. It was mostly buffet style with lots of things to choose from, and throughout the day there was an open snack bar with junk food but also yogurt and fruit. I don't know how people don't gain 20 pounds on sets.
This is normal. Kate's show is no different. It's all paid for.
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All those chips and things Kate was so busy preparing for lunch when they were tots- it's called craft service.
Kate is a twit said... 35
And the beat goes on....
xxxxxx@xxxxxx · 31m31 minutes ago
Sign outside my Target about they're filming a reality tv show....Kate Gosselin must be shopping haha
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And a reply:
XXXXXX @XXXXX 6h6 hours ago
@XXXXXXX the Wyomissing one? Lol had a friend there once and she was there and he's like those f'in photographers were assholes!
There were two food sections, one for primaries and crew, the other for extras. The food in our section was better but extras was apparently quite good too. It was mostly buffet style with lots of things to choose from, and throughout the day there was an open snack bar with junk food but also yogurt and fruit.
This is normal. Kate's show is no different. It's all paid for.
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To watch Kate stuff her piehole on CA might lead one to believe that that's the only time she really eats. She may make meals at home for her kids but I think other than her salads she pretty much starves herself until there's prepared food laid out in front of her. I don't think she likes her own cooking.
Interesting that there have been no pictures posted of them filming in Target today. Yesterday there were at least 3 or 4, if not more.
Is Steve again making people delete any photos that were taken?
The cat's out of the bag about filming at Costco and Target, but TFW hasn't checked in with the fans? I guess her narc supply is being filled elsewhere, so she doesn't have to lower herself
to chitchatting with the great unwashed.
OnTheRoad said... 60
All those chips and things Kate was so busy preparing for lunch when they were tots- it's called craft service.
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Craft services has to be Kate's idea of grifter heaven.
She's the type who goes to post-funeral luncheons just to eat the little sandwiches and stuff the squares and brownies into her purse. She's such a greedy pig.
Thanks, PA Dutch. I might need a Venn Diagram to sort this all out. Make that a Vann Diagram.
Craft services has to be Kate's idea of grifter heaven.
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Don't you mean hog heaven?
Kate is a twit said... 63
Interesting that there have been no pictures posted of them filming in Target today. Yesterday there were at least 3 or 4, if not more.
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A woman goes shopping with eight kids. Will wonders never cease?
Sooner or later the novelty wears off. I don't think people are mobbing her anymore. She's old news and more of a curiosity than a celebrity. She's like the midget who grows a beard, dresses himself like a caveman and travels with the circus as the prehistoric man discovered in the Himalayans. Seen it, now let's go see the five-legged goat.
The coupon use was for the persona of a couple struggling. Maybe before TLC appeared, she used coupons (I sure as hell did when I shopped at the commissary as a young wife with a baby and a toddler). Now we know the truth from her journal. I noticed she asked about coupons when she shopped at the mall for the tups but since TLC was picking up the tab, that was being phony. Who the heck is she kidding? Are people still believing she watches her pennies like they do? I guess there are the faithful handful who literally believe her smoke and mirrors.
Kate is a twit said... 63
Interesting that there have been no pictures posted of them filming in Target today. Yesterday there were at least 3 or 4, if not more.
Is Steve again making people delete any photos that were taken?
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I was very busy yesterday and today but I swear if I hear of them filming relatively locally and I get a chance I'll go there and take a pic and dare anyone to make me not post it
I guess her narc supply is being filled elsewhere, so she doesn't have to lower herself
to chitchatting with the great unwashed.
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Speaking of which, where is Gladys? Off sulking somewhere? Has she been heard from since her martyr tweets?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 27 Jan
@Mydmaxx @deannatweeting Some days I feel like I've been treading water here endlessly & I get tired of it. Then someone comes w/lifeboat!
Don't you mean hog heaven?
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Oops. I stand corrected ;)
@AuntieAnn Its good that not many are taking many pictures like they use to.Also remember the paps use to always follow her and take pictures.Guess they don't care anymore like they use to.Just wish TLC would take the hint to.
@AuntieAnn Its good that not many are taking many pictures like they use to.Also remember the paps use to always follow her and take pictures.Guess they don't care anymore like they use to.Just wish TLC would take the hint to.
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Where is good old Chris?
Seen it, now let's go see the five-legged goat.
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Yeah, we're tired of the Shrek donkey. That's so yesterday.
I couldn't find the coupon meltdown, but I found this and it is so funny.
https://youtu.be/DU4D6ti4n7c
Also remember the paps use to always follow her and take pictures.
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And remember how she pretended to hate it? Uh huh. Suuure she did.
localyocul said... 70
I was very busy yesterday and today but I swear if I hear of them filming relatively locally and I get a chance I'll go there and take a pic and dare anyone to make me not post it
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And if you do get a photo and post it, make sure it's watermarked "All Rights Reserved by localyocul".
Sherry Baby said... 67
Craft services has to be Kate's idea of grifter heaven.
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Don't you mean hog heaven?
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Ah, brings back memories of Celeb Apprentice & the many shots of Kate with food.
I was very busy yesterday and today but I swear if I hear of them filming relatively locally and I get a chance I'll go there and take a pic and dare anyone to make me not post it
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I just want to see a photo of Steve with his Go-Go Gadget Ratclaws fully extended.
Speaking of which, where is Gladys? Off sulking somewhere? Has she been heard from since her martyr tweets?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 27 Jan
@Mydmaxx @deannatweeting Some days I feel like I've been treading water here endlessly & I get tired of it. Then someone comes w/lifeboat!
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Then for gosh sake, quit twitter cold turkey and knock it off with the whining, or put on your big girl pants and stop acting like a total jerk. It's sink or swim. It's up to you.
There's no self-awareness there. She can't see that the reason she's poked at is because of her insane lusting after Kate, not to mention that she's worse than Gladys Kravitz ever was. No happily married woman is so obsessed with another woman that she's constantly tweeting about her physique and a celebrity's bedtime.
Wake up and look at what you're doing. You've said that custody issues should remain private and then turn around and kiss Deanna's butt for bashing Jon.
If you think that you're treading water and you're so tired of it, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Grow up.
I am so sorry I haven't been watching this show! She shops at Costco. Then she shops at Target. It's a dream come true. No one has ever done that before. Must see tv.
I think that Steve is so obviously part of the family, not a bodyguard. Real bodyguards don't sit in the booth with the family for lunch. Do you really think Reese Witherspoon or Angelina Jolie have the bodyguard sharing their french fries?
Jeanne said... 82
I think that Steve is so obviously part of the family, not a bodyguard. Real bodyguards don't sit in the booth with the family for lunch. Do you really think Reese Witherspoon or Angelina Jolie have the bodyguard sharing their french fries?
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Does Steve like french fries? We know he likes pizza (wrapped in foil and untouched by childrens' hands), and he doesn't like mac and cheese or salad. But where does he stand on french fries? Maybe Milo can tell us!
Did she have riders for this latest Costco/Target excursion? Kobe beef? Organic blueberries? Whole grain bread with no obvious grain in it? HOMEMADE mac and cheese with white cheddar? Whole Foods organic selections in the main suite only?
Jane said... 42
I understand that. Companies do the same thing when they bring employees in from other areas for meetings, etc., pay for hotels, meals, car rental, gas. It's the cost of doing business. And if TLC has a story line about Kate bulking up in preparation for a big storm, for example, I can see them paying for what she buys. It's the cost of producing the story line. I don't get where the anger about it is coming from and I don't call it grifting either. Some sound as if they think TLC pays Kate a big salary and pays for everything except utilities and school AND gives her coupons and credit cards for any other expenses one might be able to come up with and tops it off by providing Craft services for her meals.
She is always quiet when Steve is around.
I guess someone decided Kate needed to act like the commoners and shop at Target and Costco rather than high end boutiques. I bet she had not set foot in a Costco in years. We have tons of photos of her buying her paper supplies at Target.
I recall as a kid absolutely hating having to go grocery shopping with my mom. It was beyond boring. Makes you wonder what she promised those kids to go on a Saturday morning.
Did all the crap she bought at Costco even fit in whatever vehicle Steve drive (you know he did)?
Has there been examples of him "making" people delete pics? I am very curious how this goes down.
"HEY YOU DELETE THAT PIC I SAID SO!"
"Um no?"
LaLaLandNoMore said... 56
Singing for their supper is one way to put it when your kids are supporting you, TFW
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It's sad. I'm sad. I'm so sad to see that Kate ONCE AGAIN is usurping all of the kids' discretionary time for filming.
It's so sad that none of the kids gets to play with friends on their weekend. If Kate's response is that the kids love their Crew Daddies, then that's f*cking sick. Just sick.
These kids need friends and sports and hobbies and interests and social development.
It's days like this that I get angry that Jon extricated himself from major decisions. Kate's moral compass is corrupt, and he damn well knew that.
And by the time she's not in charge, it'll be too late for them to reclaim the childhoods she deprived them of.
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Perfect sentence, Flimsy. It's pretty much too late. Kate has stolen their childhoods and their father is ineffectual in doing anything about it.
Those kids are very average, and could really benefit from developing talents and skills. They will find out they're not so fascinating and captivating without cameras around.
My bet is also Superbowl Party. Riveting.
I thought that would be Jon's weekend.
Jillygee said... 88
Yes there was a few years ago. A reporter was at a beach house next to or near the Gosselins. She was on vacation and didn't know they would be there.
She took pictures and he asked her to delete them. She wrote an article about it. If I could find the article I would share it. Not sure if I have a link any more.
PA Department of L&I has an online form you can subm
it for complaints. They can at least be made aware of filming and whether proper permits have been obtained.
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/child_labor_act/10517/complaint_form/553540
ITA, Tucker's Mom.
Sue Buddy, it's that she is so darn greedy. She didn't need any of that stuff.
Jillygee, Steve has been doing this for years. There are many accounts. He approaches the person and tells them no pictures allowed and to delete what they have taken. And people are so taken aback by his threatening manner they do it. I don't know about the Twitter deletions but my guess is that those folks probably got tweets from haters.
Some sound as if they think TLC pays Kate a big salary and pays for everything except utilities and school AND gives her coupons and credit cards for any other expenses one might be able to come up with and tops it off by providing Craft services for her meals.
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Based on the EVIDENCE, I do believe TLC pays for a great deal of her lifestyle at bare minimum when they are filming, and probably beyond. I don't have time to go through every piece of evidence but the bulk of it is from her journals, her behavior when I think things are free (greed) vs her behavior when it's clear something is not free (stingy), and comments from Jon about how it worked with TLC. And of course the circumstantial evidence that SHE DOESN'T WORK. How does one live such a lifestyle without working? You simply can't, come off it. TLC pays her a pretty penny.
And actually, I would even exclude utilities from your list of things not paid for. Remember in her journals, there was a discussion about utilities? Production uses up a lot of juice on their equipment, and so utilities were paid for by them. That actually, is fair. I have no doubt they don't continue to pay at least a portion of her bill for the utilities they use when filming. I'm not sure why it's so hard to accept that TLC is providing her and has provided her with a largely discounted or free lifestyle which has made this lifestyle possible when it wouldn't be any other way.
I wonder if TLC will air the sequence of events in reverse order....stocking up with supplies at Costco and Target followed by snowmageddon 2016. She talked about being out in the snow allllllll day and hinted about seeing what they built. No pictures yet so it will probably be an episode.
For me, the ultimate example of TFW's greed, and the depths to which she'll sink for a freebie, was the vow renewal. According to her own time line, the marriage was already over. But she went along with it for a free vacation, as well as scoring an episode of "Say Yes To The Dress" in the bargain.
She told her children she was doing it to show that Mommy and Daddy would be together "forever."
Ingrid said... 92
Jillygee said... 88
Yes there was a few years ago. A reporter was at a beach house next to or near the Gosselins. She was on vacation and didn't know they would be there.
She took pictures and he asked her to delete them. She wrote an article about it. If I could
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It was Katy Hall
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katy-hall/kate-plus-8-on-bald-head_b_682082.html
Bodyguard my arse.
Jillygee said... 88 here it is
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katy-hall/kate-plus-8-on-bald-head_b_682082.html
And of course the circumstantial evidence that SHE DOESN'T WORK. How does one live such a lifestyle without working? You simply can't, come off it. TLC pays her a pretty penny.
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I know! How stupid can the sheep be? Kate hasn't held a JOB in a dozen years, so how the heck can she afford that lifestyle?
Duh, folks: selling her kids.
I have no doubt they don't continue to pay at least a portion of her bill for the utilities they use when filming.
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Another point the sheep fail to realize (as if that's a shocker!). The compound is not a home, it's a film set.
She took pictures and he asked her to delete them. She wrote an article about it. If I could find the article I would share it. Not sure if I have a link any more.
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She capitulated and deleted the photos in exchange for Steve forcing Kate to pose in her bikini with her.
It's flabbergasting that she did this as part of the media. Anyone in media knows darn well what's public for the taking and what's not.
Steve has been illegally intimidating people for years.
She told her children she was doing it to show that Mommy and Daddy would be together "forever."
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Well, Kate really thought is was true, so ya know, no harm to the kids and all that. They were what? 5? They totally understood.
Oops, my bad.
Yeah, kids get that.
Tucker's mom -Exactly !
I want a real story from someone who he told to delete the pics and they tell him NO to his rat face.
I feel so sorry for these kids' futures. When they read all the nastiness and gossip about them and see weird videos made about them. They are going to be freaked out. It's terribly sad.
Jamesvader1194 said... 23
I thought some of you here said the twins liked the filming?I would think if they did they'd be there with the other 6 there filming.Like i said,i don't see those girls wanting their own spinoff show like the duggars.Not because there's nothing interesting but i don't see them both wanting one
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I think they sometimes film the twins separately due to the child labor laws. Even on weekends kids have a limited number of hours they can be filmed. To get the most out of the camera crew I think they film the tups activities at one time and then continue with the twins later. She is nothing without the kids and it would make sense to use the camera crew all day. I think the tups were filmed going to Costco with her in the morning and then she did something else with the twins that afternoon. Do we have any reports of which kids were at Target?
Mike B, that makes sense.
And of course the circumstantial evidence that SHE DOESN'T WORK.
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She's not ashamed to admit she's the laziest woman who ever walked the face of the earth either. She says as much in her sophomorically written blog entry about the new deck:
"And, because this says it all, I have to add TimberTechs motto. It spoke to me :)…
TimberTech decking = Less work. More life."
She wanted all that isolation so filming would not disturb neighbors because folks were complaining about the traffic in the old neighborhood. Also, no prying eyes.
I really agree with any frustration anyone feels with Jon. In 2011 or 2012 PA passed a much more stringent custody law so I am dumbfounded why she has gotten away with Jon not seeing all the kids. I think he negotiated away some of his rights. And if some of the kids have verbally told him they do not want to film, then why does it continue? It would not surprise me TLC is still paying for Kate's attorneys to fight Jon and whoever has the money...wins. I think it's too little, too late with Jon because the damage is done.
The twins like what they get from mom for filming, but only Mady seems to relish it. I used to feel sorry for Cara but her attitude is not great either. As a mom, their behavior would embarrass me in front of other adults. They are a product of Kate's child rearing so why are there people who think she's a great mom?
Also, she had gift cards in her talons when they were luggage shopping. Figure 8 forgot to edit that out, LOL.
Are the gift cards a way around some IRS thing?
Those were NOT gift cards!!! They were luggage tags.
JR
She's like the midget who grows a beard, dresses himself like a caveman and travels with the circus as the prehistoric man discovered in the Himalayans. Seen it, now let's go see the five-legged goat.
Hey, super offensive, the word midget. We prefer little person, dwarf is acceptable. You never know who is in your audience. Thank you.
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Isn't it legal to take a picture on public property regardless of who is in the frame?
@Fleecing the sheeple Milo's a liar like Kate.She saids the Kate haters on twitter keep making new accounts to harass her,yet No 1 has made any new accounts and get this,she unblocks some of them after blocking them.Which shows she does love the attention.Here's a tweet which she straight up lies and saids Kate has over a million twitter followers and yet she has over 257,000 and some of them aren't even on twitter and some are paid bots.Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack Jan 26
@Kateplusmy8 @TLC And how about your over a quarter a million twitter followers who support you here! :) #SorryMissedShow #CableOut
And actually, I would even exclude utilities from your list of things not paid for. Remember in her journals, there was a discussion about utilities? Production uses up a lot of juice on their equipment, and so utilities were paid for by them. That actually, is fair. I have no doubt they don't continue to pay at least a portion of her bill for the utilities they use when filming. I'm not sure why it's so hard to accept that TLC is providing her
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Never read in the book, either version, that TLC paid the utilities. Stick to the facts. We certainly don't need to be putting out lies or starting rumors.
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Isn't it legal to take a picture on public property regardless of who is in the frame?
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As long as you are on public property. If it's a private property the owner can tell you you can't take photos while ON the property, but that's up to the owner, not Steve. 90% of the time when someone is telling you you can't take pictures they're full of it.
National and state parks have been a big problem lately. Rangers will come around and give photographers with more than point and shoots grief about taking photos claiming they need permits. For commercial use they can ask for a permit but they have no right to tell someone taking photos for their personal collection not to do that. I saw a sign last week at the Paramount Ranch in California forbidding all photos without a permit. I took them anyway, that's completely improper to say we can't do so in a public park.
If you're really concerned carry a photographer's bill of rights around with you. Let's see Rat Claws get served with that.
Here's one: http://www.billadler.net/Photographer's_Legal_Rights_Card.pdf
Also is this deckdude's other account?If so,why couldn't they get the deck guy to be Kate's date?Reading this dude's other account,this guy sounds like hes in love with Kate Matty Ashton @TheHatTrick33 Jan 28
@Kateplusmy8 This beautiful lady dealt with many obstacles on top of 8 children! N can still smile..I think she is an inspiration to parents
Oh crap my bad i read her tweet wrong i thought she was implying that Kate has over a million twitter followers but still not that many even go on twitter anymore and didn't someone here found out that 90% of her followers are bots?
Also is this deckdude's other account?If so,why couldn't they get the deck guy to be Kate's date?Reading this dude's other account,this guy sounds like hes in love with Kate Matty Ashton @TheHatTrick33 Jan 28
@Kateplusmy8 This beautiful lady dealt with many obstacles on top of 8 children! N can still smile..I think she is an inspiration to parents
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He is married and just tweeted from a trip to Disney with his family.
PA Department of L&I has an online form you can subm
it for complaints. They can at least be made aware of filming and whether proper permits have been obtained.
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/child_labor_act/10517/complaint_form/553540
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That's the best way to do it, or you can call or e-mail Rep Murt or the DOL directly. Mr. Murt will respond and will put you in contact with someone who can address the concerns. Flooding him with tweets is not the way to go.
As long as you are on public property. If it's a private property the owner can tell you you can't take photos while ON the property, but that's up to the owner, not Steve. 90% of the time when someone is telling you you can't take pictures they're full of it.
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What if Kate whines to her Flying Monkey and he tells you to delete?
JK!
It was funny during the RV trip when Kate tried to get Steve to go over to another RV and tell a guy to delete the photos he took of them. Steve knew darn well that he really shouldn't pull that sh*t on camera.
Poor Kite.
Kate Matty Ashton @TheHatTrick33 Jan 28
@Kateplusmy8 This beautiful lady dealt with many obstacles on top of 8 children! N can still smile..I think she is an inspiration to parents
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I think Jon's an inspiration to all men who are married to Harpies.
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Kate Matty Ashton @TheHatTrick33 Jan 28
@Kateplusmy8 This beautiful lady dealt with many obstacles on top of 8 children! N can still smile..I think she is an inspiration to parents
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Well heck, I'd be sporting an ear to ear grin if I was getting an enormous deck for peanuts, then getting paid to have a party on it.
What exactly is so hard about Kate's life? She's rich, lives in a mansion, travels the world for free, gets access, free surgery, free you name it, and has a staff.
Oh, and NO JOB.
I remember the episode from the Please Touch Museum when Rat Claws made a woman delete her photos and I think she was too intimidated to object.
"Did all the crap she bought at Costco even fit in whatever vehicle Steve drive (you know he did)?"
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I thought she was loading the stuff into her van in the parking lot. Yes? No?
As far as her getting supplies for free, yes, these are all part of production and as such, TLC would pay for everything that goes into the show. I wouldn't expect her to pay for those things if they are included in production costs. I do understand the frustration, though, of many people who see this as grifting. What happens to these products when filming is over? If they purchase shovels, does she keep them; if they buy snow melt, they use it in the episode, but she gets the benefit of it without having to buy it herself. I think that's what is so frustrating to many people. TLC pays for it; she stocks up, and she keeps it. It's the best of all worlds for her.
I thought she was loading the stuff into her van in the parking lot. Yes? No?
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Yes, she was playing "let's film a tv show".
I have to agree, Tucker's Mom, and will not let Jon off the hook totally re: his children. Of course he knew the temperament of TFW. It is as though he has been brow beaten for so long that he just "threw up his hands". The way it appears from this view is he is just "going with the flow" and avoiding confrontation. There is a piece missing in this story. Not sure what it is. When we heard, "I am in charge and that is never going to change" out of TFW's loud mouth, she truly meant it and TLC is backing her at every turn.
It's interesting how thousands of single/divorced parents make sacrifices so their children can have extra-curricular activities and this rich TFW only does fun things at TLC's expense. Thinking of the word cheap at this moment.
Thinking of the word cheap at this moment.
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I'll add miserly and selfish. Heaven forbid those kids get involved in Scouts or sports and usurp filming time.
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I think Jon's an inspiration to all men who are married to Harpies.
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Oh, definitely! I think all men married to "harpies" should be inspired to give up legal custody of their children and not pay child support. That's in the best interest of children everywhere! Aim high, gentlemen!
JR, why was she walking around with luggage tags? Doesn't luggage come with tags?
When I was with a touring celebrity there were some venues that didn't allow photos to be taken inside the venue and bags were checked before admittance was allowed. Those concert-holders were not only told that no pictures could be taken, but I remember one specific venue in Florida that wouldn't allow digital cameras to be taken inside, even though the group performing had no objections. Those with cameras were told that either they take the cameras back to their cars or they couldn't enter the property. If the cameras were the old dinosaur type that used film you could take them inside but not before security stood there and watched you open the camera, rip out the film and they searched your bags to make sure that you had no extra film with you. If your vacation photos were on that camera, too bad, so sad for you. They were gone.
Problem there was that many of those people were tourists, who either walked to the venue or took cabs or public transportation. They had no cars there. This, of course, meant that there was no place for them to put their cameras. The venue said that it had no place to store the cameras and were not responsible for them. Their suggestion was to throw away the cameras. What to do? Miss the show? Security was not about to bend any rules for anyone. It was not a pleasant situation.
There were so many complaints that I was called to solve the problem. Fun times. I remember taking a large cooler/chest to the front gate, and I said that I would be responsible for the cameras, giving out tags for proof of ownership and attaching them to the cameras. After the show, the cameras were claimed by their rightful owners who showed their claim tags. Everyone was happy.
This was several years ago, before iPhones, so I can't imagine the issues that would occur now if phones are being used to take photos. Cameras are one thing, but phones are something else. Would all concert-goers have to turn over their phones before entering the venue? I can't imagine that fiasco.
Steve telling someone to delete photos on public property is a joke. I think that many people don't know their rights and wouldn't question him. He must feel so important. I guess it's all part of the day in the life of a road manager.
JR, why was she walking around with luggage tags? Doesn't luggage come with tags? (TLC, 126).
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Not all luggage comes with tags. I just bought a set at Christmas, and the tags were sold separately, They were not inexpensive!
I do not begrudge Kate and Jon Gosselin signing on with TLC in the beginning. Raising eight kids is expensive (although I believe she plotted the whole multiple thing). What is frustrating is her ungratefulness (despite her tweet and she made sure TLC saw it), her greed, her lack of graciousness, and her unrelenting filming of those kids who would rather not film. If she had any talent, and God knows she's had many opportunities, she could have made her own career rather than continuing down this path of being owned by a corporation.
As far as Jon, some deal had to have been cut because a father has the same rights as the mother. Jon needs to stop blaming TLC and face the fact he failed to protect his children because he wanted freedom more. All he had to do, IMO, was finish out his contract with TLC and then walk away. It would have been over. It was disingenuous of him to say he did not want the divorce played out on TV because he said himself TLC wanted the family to stay together for the good of the show. I think the sacrifice would have been worth it and he could have equally fought Kate in court over custody.
Some of these people are just so, well...I don't know!
Coperto @GAC_Fan_RikRak 1h1 hour ago
@Kateplusmy8 I have 8 kids also. I can't keep my house clean! Help! ;)
Coperto @GAC_Fan_RikRak
Bored, Saturday, Bored!!! Why can't 10PM be here already! Ready for some Zak, Aaron, Jay, and Billy!
I looked at the timeline and she is sitting around for nine hours waiting for Ghost Adventures to begin. Clean your house if it's such a mess! Kate's not going to help you.
Thanks, Cruisin. Interesting story. With phones, people are not willing to give those up. What venues don't want are flashes going off in the performers' eyes.
Regarding the tags, I know you can buy them but it still doesn't answer why she had them out like a deck of playing cards. Anyway, 100 certain those bags were on TLC's dime. The woman must make a wish list for each episode.
This silly argument again? do you realize how ridiculous it sounds to whine incessantly about the poor working Gosselin children while simultaneously claiming that their mother, who appears on film with them, does not work?
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Well I can only speak for myself but my comment was said in the context of the ridiculous notion that Kate somehow doesn't get as much paid for by TLC as we contend. I completely disagree, I do believe TLC funds her lifestyle and that is based on the fact that she obviously does not need to work otherwise.
I should have said, she doesn't "otherwise" work, other than doing the show. So in other words I brought up she doesn't work OTHERWISE to prove TLC completely funds her lifestyle, not to say that she doesn't literally work.
I think the kids are working. I think Kate is working. That said, Kate has finagled a way to work such that she is doing exactly what she would do in her fantasy world anyway. Trips, spending money, home improvements like landscaping and decks, etc. This is her fantasy, not the children's.
What's more, the kids have another full time job: school. When they are not in school they should occupy the bulk of their time on activities that will enrich them and build them up socially and emotionally, like sports, scouts and friends, as well as a fair amount of free play where they just are kids. An adult who works doesn't usually have to also go to school or work on their social and emotional skills. Or if they do, it's by choice. Kate does not also have school, homework and social activities to worry about when she is working. Unlike her children.
The kids don't have a choice and even if they did they're not old enough to decide it's in their best interest to give up those important things.
Thanks, Cruisin. Interesting story. With phones, people are not willing to give those up. What venues don't want are flashes going off in the performers' eyes. (TLC, 131).
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You're welcome, TLC. I had forgotten about that until the discussion here about photos and peoples' rights.
I suppose some performers don't want a multitude of flashes going off, but many are used to bright lights, cameras flashing, onstage light effects, psychedelics, etc. The concern is in videotaping/copyright violations regarding shows.
Sunday afternoon someone tweeted a picture of TFW with a young woman. The picture was taken in the lobby of a Target store (the check-out desks were in the background). The picture and tweet were only 'up' for a few minutes. Before the tweet was deleted someone had time to respond "why is K8 face all red? She looks really weird." That tweet remains.
Just wondering if Steve used intimidation to get the young woman to delete the picture she appeared to be so proud of.
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TLC said, "I think the sacrifice would have been worth it and he could have equally fought Kate in court over custody."
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Maybe he just couldn't live with her one more minute. I doubt that many could have put up with what he did and for so long. Everyone has a breaking point, and he must have realized that he had to get out of that situation to preserve his own sanity.
Hi,all readers from the "other" blog. Ya'll claim we don't have lives yet you would not have a blog without all the copying and pasting of our interesting comments, ideas, and thoughts. Actually I am so impressed that we are so interesting that you all come over, read, copy, and then comment on our comments. THAT is really flattering. Thank you to each of you. Apparently you all don't have an original comment yourselves. I read only about 7 minutes of your boring blog to determine the above.
I know Admin., does not allow blog on blog comments but I am simply thanking each of you for thinking so highly of us and Admin's blog. I am NOT commenting on anything about your blog other than addressing the stealing of our own comments and thanking you for that.
Just wondering if Steve used intimidation to get the young woman to delete the picture she appeared to be so proud of.
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Makes you go hmmm... two people took down photos of filming.
What venues don't want are flashes going off in the performers' eyes.
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Most flashes even commercial grade ones extend just a few feet. Unless you were front row and brought in the equipment of Annie Liebowitz, you'd never be able to bring a flash in that would harm a performer's eyes.
What is frustrating is her ungratefulness (despite her tweet and she made sure TLC saw it), her greed, her lack of graciousness, and her unrelenting filming of those kids who would rather not film.
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I find her more contemptible than I do frustrating. It's not THAT she's amassed wealth and all the adornments that come with it, it's HOW she got rich. Putting aside the fact for a minute that she's still using her kids, Kate and Jon deceived people into believing they were on the verge of homelessness when they went on their speaking tours. Maybe they were struggling in the beginning but after they got to a more secure place financially they should have stopped asking people to donate to their cause.
At least Jon got a conscience and backed out of those speaking engagements but Kate's greedy, insatiable appetite for money and attention bordered on criminal because she continued to stand in front of audiences and lie to them about their financial situation. Defrauding people is where it all started.
The only thing i will say is that,i've notice some Kate fans that say Jill and Jessa exploit their children,but some how Kate isn't.Whats the difference?Why is it ok for Kate to use her kids and not Jill and Jessa?Why is it that the fans willingly accept the rumors that Jill and jessa of running a fraudulent ministry but deny that Kate screwed over churchs?SMH is this another case of sheep hypocrisy
I agree. They lied and committed fraud when they did the church cycle. They were the darlings of the right to lifers because Kate chose not to do selective reduction. They did not need people's donations.
Oh, and the just one more? All they needed to do was in vitro fertilization like her first doctor recommended. Proves she wanted multiples because she shopped around for another doc.
Times are changing...parental alienation awareness. TFW better watch out
http://www.familylawexpress.com.au/family-law-news/familylawcourts/precedent/mother-loses-custody-after-preventing-judge-takes-girl-away-from-selfish-mum-and-gives-her-to-dad-in-custody-battle/2688/
There appears to be an utter lack of balance in the children's lives when you consider what they are not doing. Of course, we do not have the whole story, but we have been exposed to a lot of it. I, like others, am disgusted by the grifting and the ungratefulness that is obvious by TFW and now the attitudes we see from some of the kids. It's just time for the Gosselins to retire to their hobby farm and enjoy life. Jon did mention that the children are well off financially per good investments so this continuing to film truly benefits TFW's lifestyle. I, too, believe she is living out her fantasy of what she has dreamed of her entire life. Somehow, it elevates her and makes her appear even more conceited with no self-awareness or concern for others. She has blown a lot of chances. Sickening, really. And yes, I, too, believe she manipulated having multiples for financial gain and personal attention.
Her attitude has filtered down to some of the children. There will be a price to pay down the road with all the heavy stink of entitlement.
There may be money set aside for college right now, but costs are rising. The kids are average, no scholarship material at this point. After college expenses, what will be left? And I bet Jon doesn't know what is going on with their money since he and Kate do not co-parent nor speak. He knows he put money aside for them but Kate is not going to reveal what she saves or spends.
The kids are average, no scholarship material at this point.
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How do we know how any of them are doing academically or that a scholarship is out of the question by the time they graduate?
I don't see all the kids going to college. I have a feeling Mady will want a career in reality tv. I don't see her buckling down and doing the hard work, or getting a job, just like her mom.
Reality tv has been like a magic genie for those kids, with everything showing up at their doorstep, from clothes to toys and outrageously decadent and useless things like Crooked Houses.
They have no idea how real life works.
Most of us have our work ethic from watching our parents work.
All the G kids know is filming.
Why is it that the fans willingly accept the rumors that Jill and jessa of running a fraudulent ministry but deny that Kate screwed over churchs?SMH is this another case of sheep hypocrisy
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Have the Kate fans ever addressed the issue of scamming church people for donations? Do they just ignore it, or if the issue comes up, do they deflect? I've not seen any of them justify Kate's actions, but then again, I don't follow the timelines of the really screwy die-hard fans, and I doubt if the drive-by teens and young 20-somethings are even aware of it.
Most flashes even commercial grade ones extend just a few feet. Unless you were front row and brought in the equipment of Annie Liebowitz, you'd never be able to bring a flash in that would harm a performer's eyes.
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Not to mention the fact that most seasoned performers are so used to it that it wouldn't even faze them.
This silly argument again? do you realize how ridiculous it sounds to whine incessantly about the poor working Gosselin children while simultaneously claiming that their mother, who appears on film with them, does not work?
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Why does he/she continue to read here if the comments are ridiculous and silly and we are all assholes? Seriously? Just to shit-stir? To provoke admin? It's just so typically sheeple and it starts to get downright nettlesome and schmuckish (as per AuntieAnn!).
Sheeple -- by their wool (and droppings) shall you know them. Hopefully it will soon be time for spring shearing.
How do we know how any of them are doing academically or that a scholarship is out of the question by the time they graduate?
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I've no idea how they do in school and I don't take Kate's word on the subject.
I think they all seem verbally behind for their age and overall immature, so I would guess that they're not going to suddenly excel and become academic scholarship material.
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Have the Kate fans ever addressed the issue of scamming church people for donations? Do they just ignore it, or if the issue comes up, do they deflect?
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They're favorite is 'it's in the past and you're STILL talking about it.'
That's like saying stealing money is okay -- if you did it yesterday.
rainbows, 148...
It's just so typically sheeple and it starts to get downright nettlesome and schmuckish (as per AuntieAnn!).
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lol! I'd describe it as boorish, but then they'd argue that they are not boring!
Kate working. Most adults don't get paid for buying their groceries or taking vacation. Most people don't make a living doing that. In fact these activities COST most adults.
AND Kate is only making money at these same activities being filmed because her uterus was once a clown car.
What's it like to be on the beach for and with so many kids, shopping with the kids? Honestly I don't care.
The point is, her work has been made very, SIMPLE, at the cost of the children's privacy and childhood.
Just another comment on the "no photos" nonsense from Steve.
The difference is this. It's one thing to own private property and you as the owner don't want pictures. That's perfectly legal. What Steve does though is not say you can't take photos because of the private property; rather he's saying you can't take photos because it's KATE. Or the show, or whatever. That has no basis in any kind of law or regulation. Unless the property owners tell the photographer they can't take photos on the property (of anyone, for that matter), Steve has no authority to do that.
That works in North Korea, not the great U.S. of A. So snap away, peeps.
They're favorite is 'it's in the past and you're STILL talking about it.'
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Funny! But they bring up Jon's Ed Hardy days. I guess they think that was yesterday. They're time-challenged.
Never read in the book, either version, that TLC paid the utilities. Stick to the facts. We certainly don't need to be putting out lies or starting rumors.
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Excuse me, I'm not trying to "lie" or start rumors.
I distinctly remember reading about the utilities, as I recall in reference to the lights being installed in the house. I thought it was in the book, but perhaps it was somewhere else. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, prove me wrong--it's not an attempt to "lie." There's so much information out there about this family we could fill volumes and unfortunatly it's not available in an organized fashion. If someone makes a mistake, the mature thing we do here is bring it to their attention in a polite manner. I don't assume someone is lying if they get mixed up. I assume, they got mixed up.
Maybe we need a Gosselin "bible" to organize it. Though why do that when we have a perfectly good blog historian.
Kate Matty Ashton @TheHatTrick33 Jan 28
@Kateplusmy8 This beautiful lady dealt with many obstacles on top of 8 children! N can still smile.
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You'd be smiling too if you had a full time nanny to deal with eight children since they were babies.
It was funny during the RV trip when Kate tried to get Steve to go over to another RV and tell a guy to delete the photos he took of them. Steve knew darn well that he really shouldn't pull that sh*t on camera.
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Or in a National Park. Don't even go there. You could call the ACLU on that. That's a matter of public concern what our tax-funded parks are being used for.
Im just going to take a guess and say Kate and milo will probably whine tomorrow about Kate not being on and then she'll probably tease her fans with the emotes.Then again if were lucky LOM finally did the right thing and blocked TLC from their cable Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 3m3 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Well...this is really not good...our cable just went out!!!!
Admin (#156), any clues about what "many obstacles" that woman is referring to? By all accounts, TFW has lived a charmed life ever since she found out she was expecting the tups. Why
is she now portrayed as some kind of survivor?
I'm pretty sure the info. about TLC paying for utilities is in Robert's book. He's seen the paperwork.
It just makes sense that Kate would get reimbursement for using her house at a film set.
It's not a reach by any means.
I'm sure she gets to write a lot of stuff off.
Kate GosselinVerified account @Kateplusmy8 13m13 minutes ago
Lex: we're basically a school of fish. #8KidsInTheFamily
#ICantReallyArgue #UniquePerspectiveOnLife #LoveHerSoMuch
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More like a sweatshop.
rainbows, 148...
It's just so typically sheeple and it starts to get downright nettlesome and schmuckish (as per AuntieAnn!).
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ha! ™schmuckish. Mine, all mine.
Not to mention the fact that most seasoned performers are so used to it that it wouldn't even faze them. (rainbows, 147).
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Yes, and if it's a daytime outdoor show, they don't even see the flashes. The bright sunlight in their eyes is more bothersome than camera flashes. It can be blinding.
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I'm pretty sure the info. about TLC paying for utilities is in Robert's book. He's seen the paperwork.
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From RH's book:
*When the babies were six months old, family members, friends and neighbors got a letter containing the Gosselins' account number with the electric company, in case anyone felt moved to pay the couple's bill. (A TLC spokeswoman says the letter came from friends looking to help the Gosselins.)*
Tucker's Mom (#162), Gladys' witty response in
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@Kateplusmy8
Lex: we're basically a school of fish. #8KidsInTheFamily #ICantReallyArgue #UniquePerspectiveOnLife #LoveHerSoMuch
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More like a sweatshop.
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I'm sure TFW didn't see anything wrong with the way the Dionne quints were put on display and ogled by the public either since she's done that to her own children.
How sad, or I guess I should say, how sick, that TFW sees nothing wrong and thinks it's simply a 'unique perspective' that her 11 yr old daughter feels like her family is living their lives like fish in a fishbowl. What an awful feeling that must be for the kids. Yes, indeedy, some therapy is in the future for more than just a few of them, I predict.
Whose hashtags are more asinine, Kate's or Milo's?
Kate GosselinVerified account @Kateplusmy8 26m26 minutes ago
Lex: we're basically a school of fish. #8KidsInTheFamily
#ICantReallyArgue #UniquePerspectiveOnLife #LoveHerSoMuch
No individuality?
Wouldn't that be more like a shoal of fish, which means staying together in a group for a specific purpose? In their case, working to support their mother...
Kate has #eight kids? When did all of that happen?
I wonder if Kate knows the urban slang meaning of "school of fish."
She really does love those hashtags!
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The kids are average, no scholarship material at this point.
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How do we know how any of them are doing academically or that a scholarship is out of the question by the time they graduate?
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rainbows,
I absolutely agree. We don't know about the academic abilities of the kids, nor should we. You can't tell academic potential by watching people on TV. You can't even tell it by casual encounters in real life.
We don't know about the academic abilities of the kids, nor should we.
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No we shouldn't. It's none of our damn business except that Kate has made a business out of their lives.
And IIRC she has tweeted or talked about how well her kids are doing in school, but who knows if that's just another lie or not. She's falsified so much of their lives it's hard to believe anything she says.
I wonder if Lex's little witticism will bring Milo out of hiding.
I'm not the one who finds that hard to accept. It's those who bemoan Kate's getting (grifting) all this free stuff that seem to find it hard to accept. And, if TLC is filming inside using mega watt lighting, they should pay-again, cost of production. Not a problem for me.
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I never said it was a problem for me either. In fact I specifically said they probably should pay for utilities if they are sucking up so much of them.
The point is though, that paying for things like that make Kate not having to work a job other than for TLC a heck of a lot easier.
They pay for so much and as a result Kate's life doesn't have to include another job anymore--that was the point.
I don't know why posters are being judged for not liking it when someone who doesn't deserve it gets endless freebies. If it doesn't bother you, fine, but no reason to criticize those who it does. People come from different places and some people have been subjected to more hardship, bad luck or "good and hard work not winning out" than others, which can help make that chord strike harder than others. Or maybe it just strikes hard for no reason at all, just 'cause. Be respectful of that.
LOL Over and Out! The urban dictionary explanation of school of fish is accurate in that TFW just won't flush!
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"As far as Jon, some deal had to have been cut because a father has the same rights as the mother. Jon needs to stop blaming TLC and face the fact he failed to protect his children because he wanted freedom more."
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You are so right that fathers have the same rights as mothers. So many of the reasons tossed around for Jon not having joint legal custody and more visitation just seem far-fetched. There are only so many legal maneuvers that can be performed in a family law matter. It doesn't make sense to me that having more money to fight gave Kate an upper hand. The hourly fee an attorney charges is in no way a measure of the attorney's legal capability. And, at least in my state, the courts have guidelines for the length of time in which family law cases are expected to be concluded. Family law judges are reviewed to make sure their dockets are running in accordance with the guidelines, and have to explain why any cases drag on longer. So either way, Kate having more money to hire a more expensive lawyer wouldn't equate to victory and there is no correlation between having more money and a case dragging out. Yes, high asset cases usually take a little longer to make sure all assets are discovered, but not long enough that the party with lesser funding for an attorney would be adversely affected.
I've never seen a family law case where the results favored the party who had more money. Family courts are responsible, at their core, for making fair and equitable divisions. Often the party with fewer resources has their attorney's fees and costs ordered paid by the party with more income or earning potential.
Jon's reasons for not fighting, giving up legal custody, not going back to court, etc. just don't add up.
I've never seen a family law case where the results favored the party who had more money.
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I totally respect your take on it but I've had 100% the opposite experience. Money in family is, usually, everything. Add to that a pr machine behind a parent and whoever tlc picked was going to win. There is no doubt in my mind if they staked Jon there would be a completely different result.
Jon had terrible legal representation from Mark Heller.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/nyregion/23lawyer.html?_r=0
Specifically page NY Times expose had this to say about Heller:
When Jonathan K. Gosselin, the father of twins and sextuplets on the reality show “Jon & Kate Plus 8,” appeared on “Larry King Live” amid the tabloid frenzy over his being photographed in nightclubs with women who were not Kate, he assured Mr. King that things were looking up. “I have a great lawyer now,” Mr. Gosselin said. “Mark Heller.”
For the divorce case, Mr. Heller needed to gain admission to the bar in Pennsylvania, where the Gosselins lived. It is a routine process requiring that a local lawyer vouch for the outsider; Michael Marino, who is semiretired after a career that included a stint as the district attorney in Montgomery County, Pa., agreed to sponsor the stranger.
“Here’s where I’m the jerk,” Mr. Marino said later, because he knew nothing about the case or the celebrities in it. “I don’t want to sound like a snob, but I don’t watch that kind of television.”
Having a sponsor did not help Mr. Heller. Ms. Gosselin’s lawyers successfully challenged his appearance, saying he violated Pennsylvania’s rules requiring applicants to list every time they had been suspended, disbarred or otherwise disciplined. So at court hearings, Mr. Heller had to sit in the gallery with the rest of the onlookers.
At the same time, Discovery Talent Services, which represents the TLC network and “Jon & Kate,” sued Mr. Gosselin in Maryland for breach of contract. Edward Sabin, chief operating officer of TLC, testified at a hearing on a motion for a preliminary injunction against Mr. Gosselin in Circuit Court in Montgomery County, Md., on Dec. 10 that Mr. Heller screamed at a TLC lawyer — “shook her up quite a bit, and hung up on her eventually.” Later, when Mr. Sabin rejected Mr. Heller’s request for Mr. Gosselin to appear on the E! Entertainment network for a “tell-all interview,” Mr. Sabin said that Mr. Heller responded “explosively.”
“I’m going to embarrass you! You’re going to regret this!” he recalled Mr. Heller shouting.
The judge in the case, Michael D. Mason, ruled for the network.
From Robert's book.
“When the sextuplets were about 6 months old, an email was going around from them, asking for financial help. They were telling a tale of having absolutely no money, and not knowing how they were going to survive. I received the email, and it had very detailed information about how to contact the utilities and mortgage company to pay their bills. “There was also a fund set up through their church. There was a huge outpouring of generosity from their community. Family and friends stepped up and gave money, offered time, tried to help in every way imaginable. “Disbelief set in a few months later. We found out (by their own admission) that all along, they had a rather large sum of money in their savings account. Let's just say it was more than I made in a year working full time when I came out of nursing school. They had been giving everyone this story of being financially destitute, when all along, a very wealthy family member was still this way, offering plates being passed and people (who really can’t afford it) digging deep into their pockets, giving money to a family who probably makes well more than twice as much money as they do – just for the show. I’m not even including the freebies and all of the money they get from product endorsements and appearances. I find that disturbing! “Why mislead good people? Speak at the churches, collect your money from the network, promote your show, but don’t be dishonest. Don’t tell people your kids don’t have a college fund, and don’t continue to tell tales of being financially destitute. I can hear it now, ‘who am I to say no?’ It’s my opinion that it’s their obligation to tell the truth and stop collecting love offerings.” Jon and Kate put it another way on their website: “We ask others to please pray for us as we go through terrible financial and family hardships. It is hard to let people into our personal lives but we are praying that people could walk in our shoes for one day and understand that God has given us these children and we are responsible to raise them the best we can. Please pray that Kate and I can do this with help of all our awesome volunteers that God has provided us. Amen.”
The greed is MADDENING!
I searched Roberts book with the word utility.
This was the other utility.
I stood at utility sink for 8 hours straight once… 8 sets of sheets w chunks… Agreed.. Wasn’t fun! :(
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There is no way in Jello that she stood at the utility sink for 8 hours to try to clean 8 sets of sheets with chunks! Did the kids have a marathon vomit-fest? You wouldn't be able to stand there at the utility sink because of the smell. She thinks everybody believes every word she says.
If they were that bad, you take them outside put them on the clothesline and spray them down with the water hose and let the sun dry them. Then bring them in and wash them with a little Lysol disinfectant, bleach and then take them out in the sun and let them dry. Less than 2 hours work.
And IIRC she has tweeted or talked about how well her kids are doing in school, but who knows if that's just another lie or not. She's falsified so much of their lives it's hard to believe anything she says.
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I don't think she's done that for quite some time, has she? If not, it's a good thing. I remember when she said that the kids were ranked at the top of their class and was caught in that whopper because the school doesn't rank students. Oops, Kate.
I've never seen a family law case where the results favored the party who had more money.
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I have. In fact, it finally was resolved the day before Christmas and the party with more money "won" big time.
I remember when she said that the kids were ranked at the top of their class and was caught in that whopper because the school doesn't rank students. Oops, Kate.
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Reasonable minds can disagree but I always gave her a pass on that comment. Lots of parents I think use that expression "top of their class" to mean a child does very well in school. Not that they literally rank the students or they've literally seen other students' grades. Most schools don't start ranking until sophomore, junior years anyway.
To her credit, like you said she hasn't mentioned how they are doing in school in a long time. That's good, even if that means they're doing poorly and she only doesn't mention it because she's embarrassed. The point is school has been kept relatively private for them. It's one of the few areas Kate does well. If you have to put your kid on TV the least you can do is allow them to have privacy in their schooling and grades. See, I can compliment her when she does things right!
Mady herself did say school isn't her strong suit. Grade and high school isn't everything. Other half went to Columbia and was a D student in high school. He got in because he took time off from high school did some impressive projects and so forth. It was enough for the school to forgive the D's and admit him. The kids strike me as average in so many ways including intelligence, but they may find their niche. And, I do believe their school is an academically good school. I think it's better they just pull average grades at a competitive school than to pull straight A's at a less rigorous school.
Off topic: the caucus is a DEAD HEAT between Hillary and Sanders. WOW.
Some of the best attorneys I know make 55,000 a year. But in general the more you pay the better you get. It's not just the quality of the attorney you are paying for. You are paying for someone to spend more time on your case, have a support staff to help, and able to afford things like the best experts, research, strategies. Someone with deep pockets could have brought in one of the best parental alienation experts in the country to testify. Jon can't afford something like that.
Even with all other things being equal the attorney with more time, money and support has a huge edge.
It's absolutely true the little guy can win. But it's much harder.
I don't find anything hinky about the family law case. I think it shook out pretty predictably in a parental alienation case in front of a judge who won't take charge. It's okay, few know how to handle this. You almost need to be extensively trained in how to handle parental alienation. I've only really seen a couple judges good at it, in particular an excellent judge who was willing to do the nutty thing and flip custody on parental alienation cases even with sex abuse allegations flying around. That is not in my experience the norm. Too much liability.
I think the hinky thing is this. Jon is Jon. He is a B type personality. He believes strongly in not rocking the boat if it will upset his kids. He is never going to drag a kid kicking and screaming into his car to have a visit. That's not him, never will be. If the shoe were on the other foot Kate would do that, absolutely. If anything is hinky it's simply that Jon can't bring himself to do some of the things he would need to do in order to fix this.
Jon is very different from Kate and the kids need someone different from her. His personality has been good for his children sometimes, and other times lead to disastrous results. He can't unring a lot of bells. And yet many other things they have done I think will have a huge impact in a positive way on the children, especially when they are adults with adult thoughts and feelings of their own about their childhood.
They were telling a tale of having absolutely no money, and not knowing how they were going to survive. I received the email, and it had very detailed information about how to contact the utilities and mortgage company to pay their bills.
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THAT'S what's sticking in my brain. I knew there was something very detailed about the utilities in Robert's book. I'm not crazy after all. Thank you everyone.
Where I live the Middle School and the High School keep a running account of the Top 10 in each grade. At the end of the year a Top 10 picture is posted in the newspaper, the members of the National Honor Society
are always lined for pictures according to GPA, top students are invited to a fancy dinner in June with the Superintendent and Principals, etc.
It is a really big thing designed to serve as a reward for the elite and an incentive for everybody else.
Personally, I think good grades have developed quite an ego around here.
Lots of parents I think use that expression "top of their class" to mean a child does very well in school. Not that they literally rank the students or they've literally seen other students' grades. Most schools don't start ranking until sophomore, junior years anyway.
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I agree that parents say "top of their class" because they believe that their child is doing well. However, Kate said, right after a parent-teacher conference, that the kids were "ranked" at the top of their class. She would not have been told that in those words. I remember when it happened. In fact, if I recall, it was said not once, but twice.
Right now I am Sleepless in PA. Can Rumspringa be used as a sleeping aid? ;) I've been watching Iowa, and Cruz surprised the heck out of me, with Clinton and Sanders in a dead heat and they are calling it a tie. Why do I have a craving for chocolate chip pancakes or an egg mcmuffin?
This is the thing about1099's: only individuals (sole proprietor) nsfs partnerships receive 1099's. If their pay was run through a corporation, it is not reported to the IRS. This doesn't mean that any perks received
are not reportable--they absolutely are. But, if a corporation has been set up, then they will not receive1099s. The Irs guidelines are that all forms of compensation of money, goods or services must be reporte. Hiwever, regarding the hous, there is a loophole that gets around this. If TLC rents the house fore filming, they can make permenant improvements that are not required to be reported as income-only the rental fees would be considered as income on taxes.
Then bring them in and wash them with a little Lysol disinfectant, bleach and then take them out in the sun and let them dry. Less than 2 hours work.
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Wash them with Lysol? I never heard of that.
That reminds me of the time when I threw some white sheets into the washing machine and used bleach. I had forgotten that there were some kids' colored sheets in there. Pink racing cars and tie-dyed Tank Engine Thomas weren't too happily received. At least Spiderman was spared.
Jon's reasons for not fighting, giving up legal custody, not going back to court, etc. just don't add up.
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Since we don't know specifically what Jon did or didn't do in regards to custody I think it's unfair to judge whether it adds up or not.
Oh, and I forgot that every grade from 4th to 12th has its Honor Roll listed in the local newspaper every semester.
The kids names are listed from highest GPA to lowest, not alphabetically. So, everyone knows that Kathy Sue Jones barely made the 9th Grade Honor Roll this time
because her name is last and Karen Lou Johnson is headed for valedictorian.
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Then bring them in and wash them with a little Lysol disinfectant, bleach and then take them out in the sun and let them dry. Less than 2 hours work.
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Wash them with Lysol? I never heard of that.
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Yes, the brown bottle of Lysol disinfectant. My mother has used it for decades and still does. You only put a cap or two in the wash. In the commericals, Lysol recommends putting it in a load of cloth diapers.
If anything is hinky it's simply that Jon can't bring himself to do some of the things he would need to do in order to fix this.
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I wonder at what point does this passivity become neglect? At what point does fracturing the bond between parent and child become irreparable? At what point does one step up and be a parent who exercises their authority because they are the adult and realize what's best for the child in the long run?
I can't wrap my head around why Jon isn't getting visitation from some of his kids. This argument about whether deep pockets has given Kate the advantage is rather mute when it comes to 4/6 or 4/8 kids coming down the driveway when Jon arrives.
Jon has court ordered visitation. It's won. It's done. Enforcing that has to start with Jon, and as they say, a fish stinks from the head.
Something here is awry.
Since we don't know specifically what Jon did or didn't do in regards to custody I think it's unfair to judge whether it adds up or not.
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But we do, don't we? Jon takes whatever kids show up (he's been saying this for YEARS now). I've never once heard or read Jon saying that it's unacceptable and he calls the cops to have Kate (or whomever is taking care of them) produce them as ordered.
And we do know, from Jon himself, that the courts have awarded him the kids one night a week and every other weekend.
Custody is not in question. It's what happens or doesn't happen when custody is supposed to be enforced.
I agree that parents say "top of their class" because they believe that their child is doing well. However, Kate said, right after a parent-teacher conference, that the kids were "ranked" at the top of their class. She would not have been told that in those words. I remember when it happened. In fact, if I recall, it was said not once, but twice.
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No pass for Kate on this for me either. She lies like she breathes.
Kate lied about the kids being expelled because that's not the work the school uses.
I don't care what you call it, the kids were kicked out.
Right now I am Sleepless in PA. Can Rumspringa be used as a sleeping aid? ;) I've been watching Iowa, and Cruz surprised the heck out of me, with Clinton and Sanders in a dead heat and they are calling it a tie. Why do I have a craving for chocolate chip pancakes or an egg mcmuffin?
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Mmm...Egg McMuffin.
Clinton edged Bernie out by the skin of her teeth.
Ted Cruz beat Trump.
In other PA rodent news, we will have an early spring!
I am glad that the school has maintained the kids' privacy and Kate keeps her trap shut. My comment was more along the lines of the tups' maturity may relate to how well or poorly they do in school. They appear to express themselves like younger kids rather than more high functioning 11 year olds. Not sure if their maturity level is due to them being premature or Kate infantilizing them or a combination. The Mady and Cara valley girl talk dumbs them down although they may be excelling in their schoolwork.
I do applaud Kate for keeping the kids in the same school, a good one at that.
BTW, here's an article about divorced men recovering from abusive ex-wives. I love the term "Golden Uterus". Kate is a GU.
http://shrink4men.com/2011/05/17/does-your-wife-or-ex-wife-have-a-golden-uterus-complex-15-characteristics-of-the-golden-uterus/
Some highlights:
The golden uterus believes her interests and the child’s best interests are synonymous. There is no “you” and “I.” The golden uterus and child are “we.” It’s a crippling symbiosis for the child in that the golden uterus feeds off of her own child to feel important, powerful and special.
“A GU believes that because she gave birth, she has exclusive rights to all decision-making related to said child, no matter what anyone else (including the courts or the father) say” (anonymous source).
Golden uteri, despite the sense of superiority and entitlement they derive from the title “mother,” are typically lousy parents if not downright abusive parents. GUs are often the high-conflict, abusive personality-disordered parental alienators. They are the women who expect others, including their own children, to sacrifice everything at the altars they erect to themselves. Golden uteri lay golden eggs (children) and milk their motherhood, the children and you for all you’re worth.
GUs wield guilt over their children with staggering virtuosity. “I am your mother. I carried you for 9 months. No one will ever love you like I do. No one will ever break our bond. No one will ever come between us. I CARRIED you in my WOMB for NINE months. YOU can NEVER do that for me.”
A golden uterus mother fails at mothering and instead uses her title to extort things from others ‘in the name of the child.’ Essentially, they use their offspring as a way to get their own needs met” (anonymous source).
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