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Her epiphany: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/why-i-decided-to-stop-writing-about-my-children/
And here's the September 2016 People article feature Kate and kids, sans Collin.
Saturday, August 20, 2016
"I don’t want to mar my children’s glory and subvert their beginnings for my so-called art" and Kate and kids in People magazine, minus Collin
Popular "Mommy blogger" and writer Elizabeth Bastos has packed up shop after realizing (with the help of one concerned grandfather) her posts were intruding on her children's right to privacy.
Her epiphany: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/why-i-decided-to-stop-writing-about-my-children/
And here's the September 2016 People article feature Kate and kids, sans Collin.
Her epiphany: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/why-i-decided-to-stop-writing-about-my-children/
And here's the September 2016 People article feature Kate and kids, sans Collin.
2057 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 601 – 800 of 2057 Newer› Newest»Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 198
What's wrong with buying a motorcycle? She bought an Audi! You come into some money, and some people, lots of people, choose to buy it on a vehicle of their dreams. She did TOO! Maybe that's not the best investment or a good use of your children's money, but when she did it too, wtf is she even talking about? Even so I haven't the foggiest idea what a motorcycle or an Audi has to do with your ability to be a good parent.
What is this woman's problem? The divorce was ages ago and she's STILL harping about a motorcycle? Does he even have it anymore? She is certifiable and an obsessed parental alienator.
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Never heard of a man having a semi midlife crisis and wanting a motorcyle before. Snark. Shout out to my BIL
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 199
What's wrong with buying a motorcycle? She bought an Audi!
Now come one, Admin, you know that the Audi was purchased in order to save $$$ on gas. It was but another of a myriad of examples of her earnest frugality.
What is this woman's problem? The divorce was ages ago and she's STILL harping about a motorcycle? Does he even have it anymore? She is certifiable and an obsessed parental alienator.
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I have commented that she has some serious mental health problems. There is much more to it than just being an alienator. These issues were obvious right from the beginning...when she lived in our county, but I don't think was as bad as it is now. Her fame and fortune seeking at that time was in its infancy.
She will not seek help and this will escalate until all hell breaks loose and the outcome will not be a positive one. I really believe that she thought that Jon would never leave her, and she was in for a rude awakening when he did. She's in it for the "eye for an eye" and the vengeance obsession is driving her crazy.
James, I totally agree with you!
I have been thinking about Aunt Jody, Uncle Kevin.
Aunt Jody is so tenderhearted that she must be beside herself.
I wish people who are bound by one of the non-disclosure contracts signed with Miss Satan would come out and disclose whatever they promised in writing not to tell. Child abuse will void any non-disclosure. Because child abuse is a crime.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 199
What's wrong with buying a motorcycle? She bought an Audi!
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And how many pair of boobs did Kate buy? Or did she grift them?
How many much money did mommy dearest spend on "de-aging"?.
And um Kate your FACE doesn't' look the same as it did 10years ago what about that?
First time poster. Loooong time reader.
Quote from Kate on first page of People article says "I never want to hear, and never will hear, Mom, you kept us from Dad. I want my kids to be as whole as possible."
Unbelievable!!!!!
What is this woman's problem? The divorce was ages ago and she's STILL harping about a motorcycle? Does he even have it anymore? She is certifiable and an obsessed parental alienator.
August 26, 2016 at 7:48 AM
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He bought fun on 2-wheel and she bought 2 fun bags.
MANY guys go through a motorcycle phase, and some stick with it to the point that you'd have to pry the handlebars out of their cold, dead hands!
I don't believe for a second that Kate didn't know Jon liked motorcycles and wanted one. He probably talked about it longingly and she probably repeatedly told him, "NO".
So, he divorces her and buys one. What is the big deal?
Now, I can see if Kate said something like, "Jon just changed. One day he's my bitch, and the next, he's cooking meth in the garage apartment!"
OK, that would be bad. A motorcycle and leased sports car? Please.
My only question would be, "Why wouldn't he?!"
When you're in a shitty marriage or relationship and someone is abusive to you day after day-let me tell you- you undergo an awakening when you finally extract yourself from that person who has made it their mission to squash the life out of your God-given soul.
Much to the abuser's dismay, you emerge like a butterfly, happy and more whole than you'd been in YEARS. Meanwhile, they are still the same mean, miserable, vicious, punishment-meting partner in search of a new punching bag, and your happiness just plain pisses them off.
Welcome, flmom :)
That quote is simply unbelievable. She's gone out of her way to ostracize the children from their dad.
Jamesvader1194 said... 200
I also wonder what the other people Kate alienated from the kids thinks of all this?Aunt Jodi,Kevin,beth,Kendra,Ashley and everyone else who got cut loss
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I do, too. It must be heart breaking for them.
Even if people like Ashley can stomach Kate for the sake of staying in the kids' lives, at what point do you say "enough".
You know damn well that anyone who wants to maintain a relationship with the kids is not allowed to question Kate or tell her she's gone off the deep end.
Are the two Kates in bed with each other? I mean, *actually* in a relationship? That would chap Mlio's hide. Something is going on there.
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Is it just me, or has Coyne change her appearance to look like her bff? Wasn't she a dark brunette? Even the eyes and makeup now look like Mommy Dearest.
I have mixed feelings. It's not going to make a damn bit of difference if Jon addresses this latest travesty.
There's not winning other than finding a way to shut Kate down so that she can't keep putting the kids out there in the media, and using them for attention, ratings and money.
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That's the thing, to win with a malignant narcissist, you stop playing, you don't engage. But Jon HAS to engage until they're 18 and in between now and then that bitch is manipulating and gaslighting his children.
And Mady using the word "toxic", yeah, that's her "therapist" (ahem, cough cough, mother)coaching her. Its called "projection". And if that crazy bitch IS in therapy, she'll only use what she learns to further abuse. She'll have more tools of the trade under her belt.
Never heard of a man having a semi midlife crisis and wanting a motorcyle before. Snark. Shout out to my BIL
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First it's their moms, then it's their wives!
DH had a motorcycle when he lives several states away from his parents. I think he actually kept it a secret for fear of her flipping out!
It's out of his system, but I wouldn't mind one of those huge trike cycles, where the backseat is basically like Archie Bunker's recliner.
Oh, yes, cruising the open road with rock n'roll pumping through my helmet. I could do that ;-)
And um Kate your FACE doesn't' look the same as it did 10years ago what about that?
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I want to know which yoga poses she's doing to pull her face so tight!
Does downward dog smooth out frown lines?
flmom said... 8
First time poster. Loooong time reader.
Quote from Kate on first page of People article says "I never want to hear, and never will hear, Mom, you kept us from Dad. I want my kids to be as whole as possible."
Unbelievable!!!!!
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Welcome, and a hearty "good to see you!" to old familiar "faces"!
It's all in the wording, as is always the case with Kate.
Does she tell them, "No, you can't see Jon"?. Probably not.
What she probably tells them is that there are animals to care for and filming to do because if they're not around to make those things happen, it ALL goes away.
She doesn't have to say "no" to visiting Jon when she's managed to alienate them from him, to the point that some of the kids have kicked him to the curb, just like Mom.
Why resort to telling them "no", when you can work your children from the inside out and strip their desire to see him in the first place. Or, make them fearful because he's turned into the bogey man, or Walter White or something.
There are a million ways that Kate can think of to get the result she wants, without resorting to telling them that they can't see Jon.
I'll give Kate this. She's got a lot of finesse and has the stamina for the long game.
Is it just me, or has Coyne change her appearance to look like her bff? Wasn't she a dark brunette? Even the eyes and makeup now look like Mommy Dearest.
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I am not being catty- Coyne looks very bloated, like overuse of injectables or steroids.
Seeing Kate on the cover of People magazine, minus a child, outing him
to the world with a smile on her face brought back this old, painful memory for me. How could she do this to her own child, expose his fragility for all to see as fodder, as tabloid news. And as for Kate Coyne, she is as bad as Kate for publishing this sad story. I am sickened by all of it.*******************************
Wow, this paragraph says it all. There truly are monsters born in this world. It's just the way it is.
What is this woman's problem? The divorce was ages ago and she's STILL harping about a motorcycle?
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Kate seems to forget that Jon and Kate plus 8 did a crossover show with the Orange County choppers where Jon got a motorcycle and she got a motor bike.
Later on, when Jon was in dispute with TLC apparently TLC took that motorcycle back. So what's wrong with Jon buying a motorcycle to replace it? Perhaps, Kate should blame TLC, instead of Jon.
She'll always blame Jon for the breakup of their marriage and I'm sure she has let her children know that she had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Paisley said... 133
I'm surprised Colin's school hasn't reached out to Jon so he's part of the program. Wouldn't they expect both parents to be involved?
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Thought I had responded to this.
Yes, this is odd. He's stated he hasn't seen Collin in over a year but in such a serious situation you'd think it would be mandatory that the school notifies him. Perhaps they have?
Wasn't there an episode where they were grifted two motorcycles (TFW's was pink?) from those Orange County motorcycle guys who also had a show on TLC. As I recall TFW maybe donated hers for a charity auction. If that's the motorcycle she's talking about she certainly has selective memory.
Kate is a Twit - I just wrote the same thing before I read yours.
Another thing- what a crappy time to drop this media bomb! The kids are just returning to school and this acrimony is plastered everywhere like explosive diarrhea.
It's particularly cruel.
Why? Why now? Of course, why do it at all?
I can't imagine showing my face in school when my parents' feud is all over the media, and EVERYONE knows their brother has been institutionalized as well as the face that they have a terrible relationship with their dad.
What mother would intentionally do this to her children?
"Setting the record straight" and denying that she's ever told her children "no" to seeing Jon doesn't cut it for Kate. The real issue at hand is what has she done to facilitate her children's relationship with their father.
Some kids haven't seen him in years, so what has she been doing to help them?
Kate is expecting people to congratulate her for not saying "no" and has her head so far up her arse that she doesn't see the real issue is whether or not she's co-parenting with Jon to keep the family relationships healthy.
I'd love to see her answer to that. Of course, she won't, because they don't even speak, which is beyond juvenile and in and of itself, child abuse.
This has the ring of truth to it. The twins did spend all their down time in her room with her just chillin' or so she said many, many times on Twitter.
@Sassccha: @IfYouOnlyKnew16 @GoKingDaddy @Kateplusmy8 K8 spent hours closeted at night w/twins in her room, not tups, just twins. Brainwash time.
Funny post on Kate's Twitter:
"Kate Gosselin would suck the marrow out of her childrens bones if you told her it contained the secret 2 never aging"
I agree Tucker's Mom @23. Kids are cruel and are going to be all over this especially if Mady has the same attitude at school that she's shown in print and on the show. No matter how exclusive the school is there are going to be mean girls (and Mady may just be one of them).
Come to think of it, the motorcycle episode was filmed(May 23, 2009) and aired(June 15, 2009) before Kate and Jon announced their divorce on June 22, 2009. Jon's dispute with TLC was later on in the year, September or October. Here's a tabloid photo dated May 23, 2009.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/4EAFhsXZatP/Jon+Kate+American+Choppers/z7oZTqaN9ot/Paul+Teutul
So how can Kate say that Jon "buying a motorcycle" was part of the "change" in Jon that led to the divorce, when the motorcycle in question was given to him as part of a TLC crossover promotion?
She sure has a selective memory, doesn't she?
I find it ironic that Devereux, the place that Colin is allegedly at reminds me of the Disney movie and book paraphernalia that the kids gave out for Christmas or the Children's hospital years ago.
In the movie description, there is a misfit mouse who would prefer to read books than eat them. Sounds like poor Colin having to do things different, which is fine and ok.
But due to his mothers rapidly deteriorating mental health, that is not allowed on her watch.
By George, I would demand in court that she needed a psych evaluation, asap. The People article and Jon not seeing Colin for 2 years should grant it.
Kate doesn't get it that it's about more than just not saying no. All the things she has said about their father are plenty enough for a child to feel she doesn't support them seeing him, and to be alienated enough for some to refuse visits in order to please her. Her intentional omission of not encouraging and supporting their relationship, bringing them to visits, getting therapy to deal with the issue, and involving the courts in the problem, makes her an accomplace to all this, and guilty.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 29
Kate doesn't get it that it's about more than just not saying no. . . .
And let's not forget the number of times planned visitation was blown off in favor of filming. Kate's tactic here seems to be "let's play the opposite game," where she takes everything she's been criticized for over the years and dishonestly throws it back at Jon. It's what McGibney and his followers have done to the people they've stalked. It hasn't been too effective there, and I don't think it will be in Kate's case. Too many people are now on to her. I sincerely hope this PR effort falls flat on its face and TLC pulls her from the schedule entirely.
So how can Kate say that Jon "buying a motorcycle" was part of the "change" in Jon that led to the divorce, when the motorcycle in question was given to him as part of a TLC crossover promotion?
She sure has a selective memory, doesn't she?
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Gas lighting. Rewriting history. Manipulative behavior.
If she does it to the public she does it to her own children.
I thought about the book of letters she wrote to each one of the kids. So I went to Google Books and typed up Colin's letter. I couldn't see the first paragraph due to copyright infringement. As I was typing, I gasped. A lot.
Dear Colin,
Although, I obviously do not possess the skills necessary to father you, I will walk with you and help guide you as I do my very best to mother you. I desire for you a rewarding career, a healthy, loving family, and happiness always. I pray that you will grow to love God and make choices that please Him always....etc etc...
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Notice all the "I" "I" "I"s...even when talking about her son.
Dear Colin,
Although, I obviously do not possess the skills necessary to father you, I will walk with you and help guide you as I do my very best to mother you
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How about, "...father you, I will do everything in my power to support your relationship with your father so he can continue to be in your life, no matter what".
Nope, it's all about "me, me, me, I , I ,I".
It's just sad that Kate has a platform to spew her poison while Jon has none. Wouldn't it be nice if he could do an interview and remind her about the multiple sports cars she's purchased, the trips she's taken and the body work that she's had done (on herself and not on the vehicles). It would also be nice if he could reminder her that the motorcycle was a gift from a crossover show as others have pointed out.
Through this latest kerfuffle, I keep remembering a quote I read some time ago, "There is no co-parenting with a narcissist, only anti-parenting.".
Vanessa said... 12
Are the two Kates in bed with each other? I mean, *actually* in a relationship? That would chap Mlio's hide. Something is going on there.
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Is it just me, or has Coyne change her appearance to look like her bff? Wasn't she a dark brunette? Even the eyes and makeup now look like Mommy Dearest.
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Hey, Vanessa! Glad to see you commenting again. I love your direct and to the point posts. I totally agree with you! I noticed this about her yesterday.
Huge difference in a interview with her a couple of years ago. Dark hair, black sweater, overweight. Now, hair is blonder, she's lost a lot of weight and looks like she has had work done on her face. This is her twitter avatar picture I am talking about.
SWF.
Instead of SWF, Milo would be MW? lol
With all the negative comments she's getting on the people magazine articles it's time for her to post some more puppy pictures/videos. Maybe a picture of her surrounded by her furry/feathery kids. Ignore the negativity! We're one big happy family! Collin who?
Um, in case you haven't noticed...she is the one supporting her children and daddy dearest, by his own admssion, does not pay child support. So yes, how he spent his $ is her business because it impacted her children. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
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She agreed to lift his support, per her own attorney. You don't get to voluntarily lift the support then turn around and complain about spending. And this was seven years ago, was apparently a freebie for an episode, time to let it go. Petty. Grow the f up.
Thanks GollyGee and Flimsy and everyone else saying "hello!"
As much as this is like kicking a dead horse (Mr. Ed tee hee) I think the more our observations are read and dissected, the more people can learn to spot a narcissist. As they say, knowledge is power. Although these kids have no choice in who their mother is, maybe they won't become victims of narcisstic abuse as adults.
There is no helping, changing, epiphanies remorse, guilt, shame, ownership with these monsters. If you get involved with one, know the red flags and get the hell away.
GossipStarship @GossipStarship Aug 25
As I said 6 months ago Kate Gosselin has now admitted she sent her son Colin away a year ago to live in treatment facility
I actually believe this. And what an affront to her "audience" if for a year she was just pretending he was there. Of course she didn't come out and claim he was still at home, that would be stupid. Her best lies are always of omission. Crazy.
And if it IS true, it also means that Jon had no idea that his child was in an institution. Very, very sad.
"I really would have thought he'd have been here for the long haul," Kate says. "The weirdest thing is that overnight he became a different person.
What Kate really meant---I really thought Jon would have hung around and been the househusband while I jetted all over the country for half the year with Steve, staying at 5 star hotels and never having to hear from Jon or the kids.
I'm beginning to think the two Kates put their heads together for this People bombardment as payback for Jon speaking out a couple of months ago. I think making it public that Collin has been sent away was mainly to hurt Jon. And then, of course, Mady was very cooperative as well. Vengence. It's part of Kate's wiring.
I'm glad the vast majority of comments are negative. Of course, Kate got a nice paycheck. That's all that really matters.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 40
Um, in case you haven't noticed...she is the one supporting her children and daddy dearest, by his own admssion, does not pay child support. So yes, how he spent his $ is her business because it impacted her children. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
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She agreed to lift his support, per her own attorney.
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Jon has given a detailed accounting of how much money he's paid to Kate. It's like 200K, IIRC.
Jon's opportunity to parent shouldn't be based on his child support payments or lack thereof.
While your licking Kate's big toes, praising her up and down for supporting her kids, remember those kids have been working for 10 YEARS.
10 YEARS.
That People photo shoot? That IS work. That IS the children working a long, hot day instead of spending their summer, so please, cut the nonsense that Kate and Kate alone is supporting her children when the ONLY reason for their success is the kids.
Milo is trying so hard to fight not only Kate's twitter battles but also IG,it seems Kate's is massively blocking anyone who speaks negative about her. miloandjack2016 keh1216 your thinking is FLAWED! The dad in question here doesn't need anyone's help to make himself appear less than stellar. Hes done that all on his own...and he has 2 almost 16yr old mature girls that know what kind of life he has lived & what his priorities have been. Don't blame his conduct on @kateplusmy8
This is what parents do. Even if they could of found a wheelchair to fit this precious baby, it would of cost thousands! I hope they patented it.
on.today.com/2bjow9j
Making this about money and who spent what years ago is so missing the point.
Kate is a very rich woman. She has made more money in the past decade than most people will make in 5 lifetimes. She is wealthy and set for life, if she exercises caution and invests wisely, and hey, just for shits and giggles, gets a real job with career stability and benefits.
At this point, there is NO compelling argument that can be cogently made which supports Kate continuing to film her children and thrust their family discord, trials and tribulations into the public eye.
I would concede every Jon-hating point to the sheeple, but they would still never "get it".
What Kate did with this People cover and story is not only picking at the scab the never quite heals because she refuses to co-parent with Jon, she is inflicting more injury NEEDLESSLY.
There is NO REASON whatsoever for Kate to have fanned the flames of her hatred of Jon, exposed poor Colin's difficulties and challenges and allowed Mady to make such ugly statements publicly.
But sure, by all means, in light of the devastating aftermath that continues to be happening to these children, let's dwell on a motorcycle that Jon bought in 2009.
Like that f*cking matters at this point.
Um, in case you haven't noticed...she is the one supporting her children and daddy dearest, by his own admssion, does not pay child support.
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Wrong. The children are supporting themselves, and no child should have to do that.
If she wants to complain about it, and feels like she's not getting what she deserves, she can darn well walk into court and file for support. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
Wouldn't it be nice if he could do an interview and remind her about the multiple sports cars she's purchased,
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Well, heck, one person driver in the family needs three cars. What're you talking about? You know, so you have your choice on which one to drive, and it's more economical to do so when have the option of three from which to choose, depending on gas prices, distance traveled, etc.! You go out and buy three cars. Easy!
KIAT (186),
The 10-year special airs next year? If that's not a typo, it will be a full year between shows for K+8. And it only mentions the anniversary special, not a whole new season. This is TLC's decision to wait so long between shows, not hers. She would like to be doing 40 episodes a year like she used to.
I wonder if Kate is trying to get her name back in the news in order to put pressure of TLC. TLC lost a bunch of shows, and of course she wants to fill the space left behind by them. TLC, however, seems to have no interest in that. She may be trying to become newsworthy again so they see her a a viable commodity. Starting an instagram account, articles in People about Collin (that story died out pretty fast. After 24 hours it was over and I don't think it ever was trending).
Admin, the motorcycle Jon had was a gift from American Choppers, from the episode when the Tuettles visited the Gosselins. IIRC, TLC took it back after he split from Kate.
So nice to see familiar names returning to the fold, ( where's Auntie Ann?) as well as many new ones!
Too bad it has to be because of Colin's problems being broadcast to the world. TFW has never shown an ounce of love for him. I'll never forget the way she dismissed, then mocked his little gift to her. His face said it all. That was but one of the times she was filmed treating him like dirt. She won't miss him one bit.
GollyGee said... 38
Instead of SWF, Milo would be MW? lol
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We don't know that. It could be MM or SWM, or...
Here's Milo on Kate's IG absolutely thrashing a commenter (I can't find the comment, guess IG is more responsive about deleting at the account-holder's request). She is really as delusional about Kate as Kate is.
miloandjack2016keh1216 your thinking is FLAWED! The dad in question here doesn't need anyone's help to make himself appear less than stellar. Hes done that all on his own...and he has 2 almost 16yr old mature girls that know what kind of life he has lived & what his priorities have been. Don't blame his conduct on @kateplusmy8
Just thinking about what interventions were tried before the decision was made about residential treatment for C. Family therapy? In home visits? TFW participating in therapy?
I'd hope that all efforts were made to keep C in the home before deciding he be removed, but let's be realistic about how TFW would 'participate'... Would she be honest and admit to how she parents, the way she disciplines, whether there's been any abuse? Or would she continue with the tv version of being a fun, concerned, no-fault parent? There's research and statistics about narcissists and therapy and why they don't get it and/or it doesn't work.
I can't, even in my wildest dreams, imagine TFW being open and honest about what has really gone on in that family. I see her giving them the same BS she's tried to sell her viewers for years. Unless a therapist reads her journal or has watched the show I don't think they'll ever have a true picture of what goes on in that family and as a result, I'm not sure any therapy involving TFW would be successful. I think removing C from that environment and learning how to cope all on his own may be the best chance he has to develop into a healthy young man.
I have a feeling the decision to not air the episodes already in the can was not made by TFW, but rather the therapist or institution and TLC with TFW in a conundrum about keeping things moving - thus the People cover and article. She had to do something until the episodes could air and of course People was more than happy to oblige and help her exploit her kids.
It could be more of a behavioral problem then actual autism or anything like that.
And those things tend to be more in response to outside events and environments,
rather than something organic he was born with. Enter Kate as the causation.
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Yep. I believe TFW said as much; that it was a behavioral issue - he needed help dealing appropriately in social situations, etc. Of course there may be more, but knowing the problems he had in school, etc, I think 'behavioral' probably describes it pretty well. I think TFW's abuse and parenting needs to be put front and center as a cause for any social, emotional, or behavioral issues any of the kids may be dealing with.
when the motorcycle in question was given to him as part of a TLC crossover promotion?
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Well Jon boy was still under her thumb then soooo it's okay.
And really, blaming a child's issues on an "absent parent"? It COULD be, but it
also could be filming and being exploited, for gosh sakes! And being a child
celebrity when you're far too young to emotionally handle it. And having a
narcissistic mother. Why not blame THAT? The idea that she would pin the causation
of this on Jon when there are so many truly difficult things this child has had to
deal with in his young life is truly un-fucking-believable.
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If having an absent parent was the cause of C's troubles, then wouldn't the easiest
and cheapest fix be to fascilitate bringing the two together? She's full of BS as
usual and deflecting from the real issues like her parenting of the children, the
abuse, and of course the exploitation and lack of privacy. Gawd, she's despicable.
her about the multiple sports cars she's purchased, the trips she's taken and the body work that she's had done (on herself and not on the vehicles).
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But Kate needed to find herself a husband and daddy for her fatherless kids and she needs help...SO it was sooo necessary.
Her rockin' body= a new man and a new daddy for the 8.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 40
She agreed to lift his support, per her own attorney.
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Do you have a photo proof of this? As the sheep would say "no photo no proof".
And if you do have a photo it's obviously faked By Robert and Jon and his lawyers.
If she wants to complain about it, and feels like she's not getting what she deserves, she can darn well walk into court and file for support. It's not a difficult concept to understand.
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Amen. Tell it to the judge. If you believe a support order should be modified because you're stuck on the fact that Dad had a motorcycle seven years ago, account for it and get it modified. Otherwise, STFU. Are the kids not well cared for, well fed, clothed, beautiful roof over their heads, go to private school? Her entire way to support them in this lifestyle is by exploiting. She doesn't work otherwise or support them herself. What does she WANT from him? What are they lacking they can't afford to pay for themselves? She doesn't have to account for how she spends child support money, so it really makes one suspicious when she is harping about finances all these years later when she and the kids are so well taken care of, not to mention it's petty sour grapes. Oddly, no journalist ever asks her what she would spend extra child support money on when she's currently living like a rock star.
@Sad but true Just post the same,milo is trying desperately to deflect as always.I also notice another fans comment comparing Kate's 80k followers to jon's 1,000 followers and using that as proof that more people like Kate.1st off when you have to not only buy twitter followers but IG followers as well to try to prove your popular is both laughable and sad and don't tell me she never brought followers when she was stuck at 9,000 followers then the next day she got around 70k overnight,no one in the real world gets that many followers overnight.Even if Kate is popular then jon then so what?Using majority as an argument is not an argument to determine what the truth is.If that's true then i guess since the duggars had over 1 million facebook followers compared to the haters facebook followers which had only over a thousand must prove that the duggars are innocent and the haters are wrong.
She has hit an all time low by using Collin's situation as a way to keep herself current. What should be a private family matter is now being covered by all the gossip sites. But hey, she considers it a huge win, she has made the front page of People again. The lack of conscience makes me think of well, possibly sociopath. It's frightening to think of the consequences of children living with her.
It's been talked about how many people she has kicked to the curb; she herself has referred to all those who abandoned her. I don't think she has abandoned Collin but she sure doesn't want to focus effort on keeping him within the family setting in order for him to heal.
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NJGal51 said... 25
This has the ring of truth to it. The twins did spend all their down time in her room with her just chillin' or so she said many, many times on Twitter.
@Sassccha: @IfYouOnlyKnew16 @GoKingDaddy @Kateplusmy8 K8 spent hours closeted at night w/twins in her room, not tups, just twins. Brainwash time.
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Yes, she said it was girl time, watching a movie time, ect. Brainwashing 1.0.
While your licking Kate's big toes, praising her up and down for supporting her kids,
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Last time I checked if you have children you as a parent are supposed to support your offspring.
I don't give parents a pat on the back for doing what they're supposed to do. Now if a parent goes beyond their duties then I will.
She'll always blame Jon for the breakup of their marriage and I'm sure she has let her children know that she had absolutely nothing to do with it.
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And she doesn't get it, but the more this is ALLLL Jon's fault, the less the public believes her. Look at the comments around the web. They are overwhelmingly against her. Except they were with her back in the day. The public was with her. But she WAY overplayed her hand, she got cocky in their support, and now they've seen through her and have turned. She oversold it, and karma has come back around.
I'm sure Jon was not perfect in that marriage, no one is. But that idea that every single problem with that marriage was his fault is just not credible. Especially when we saw all the mistakes SHE made in that marriage right on film, from her treatment of him, to her bad parenting, to how absent she was, to her selfishness. The fact that she can't acknowledge a single solitary thing she contributed to the breakdown of that marriage shows a total lack of credibilty.
Oh and also, Kate, classy celebs don't talk about how, why, or what happened in their breakups. It's just so trashy.
Re marriage break-up, what seems very clear is that Jon was tired of lying for a living. And Kate, most definitely, was---and is---not.
Dang, Vanessa and Tucker's mom, I really didn't notice all the eyes, but I re-read it and dang, it give me a headache.
I'm beginning to think the two Kates put their heads together for this People bombardment as payback for Jon speaking out a couple of months ago. I think making it public that Collin has been sent away was mainly to hurt Jon. And then, of course, Mady was very cooperative as well. Vengence. It's part of Kate's wiring.
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I'd be very curious to learn whether Jon knew that Colin was placed in an inpatient treatment program, or did he read it in the headlines like everyone else.
I can't imagine a parent not discussing this with their ex prior to making their final decision.
The fact that she can't acknowledge a single solitary thing she contributed to the breakdown of that marriage shows a total lack of credibilty.
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Also, the constant and ill-defined notion that Jon morphed into someone else overnight. C'mon, that's not how it happens.
If Kate didn't see the changes in the both of them, then she's an idiot. I'm sure Jon's behavior changed over time as the marriage collapsed, but Kate did nothing to save her marriage.
It just failed, didn't work for her anymore, and she filed for divorce.
There are very few instances of what Kate alleges about Jon that she actually backs up with those pesky things called details.
The alludes a great deal, but never defines.
Her parent didn't know how to help her.
Jon's body was taken over by an alien. He changed overnight.
What do these statements even mean? See what I'm saying about making noises out of her face hole instead of actually saying something, ANYTHING, substantive?
Oh and also, Kate, classy celebs don't talk about how, why, or what happened in their breakups. It's just so trashy.
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Kate was missing being the old tabloid queen.
I wonder if she's got rent to pay?
@Layla Also like everyone here said,since it appears Collin is away that means there may of been problems with filming because with out him you can't have the "plus 8"in the title.However (now this is total speculation)if TLC ever does growing up Gosselins with at least 1 of the kids then shouldn't they at least test the waters with this and see if they can still bring in viewers without 1 child?If TLC thinks without Collin people aren't going to be interested and if they're not then what would make them think GUG is going to succeed?Again this is only IF someone at TLC for some reason wants to film the gosselins still as adults.
If Milo is taking what those "Mature almost 16-year-olds" say about their parents as gospel, what about the things the kids have said about Kate? On film, no less. That "it's always about her". That they can't believe how she acts, calling her out on lie after lie after lie. What about that, Milo? If Jon has led a less-than-exemplary life, then we also know, per those same kids, that Kate is a self-absorbed, drama-queen, constantly complaining liar.
It's amazing that Kate is still obsessed with all the things she believes Jon did wrong. He did stuff, she did stuff, you've been divorced for years! Figure out how to live your life without spending all your time blaming Jon. Even if you blame him 100% for the divorce, you've had lots of time to build your own life without his influence. If you want his help with the kids, use your words! He's not a mind reader and you won't let him past the gate anyway. Otherwise, do it yourself. Your choice.
Real moms, good moms, make sacrifices for their children. Mostly emotional and time but could also be money or other things. Kate doesn't sacrifice. She gets everything she needs then she might look to see if the kids need anything.
Everyone in Berks County wishes Kate would move to Mars. Alone.
OL, the "lone" parental alienation denier? There are reams of research about what BS PAS is. Believe whatever the hell you want, but do not lie about me being the only person around who thinks it's a pile of crap.
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Maybe you don't want to use the term. Point being we have Mady here trashing her father, and Kate here encouraging it, calling it the high road, saying she is proud of her. Maybe you want to call that "discouraging" of a good relationship with her father. Maybe you want to call it dysfunctional.
What do you call it? I hope you are not calling this healthy. Shame on you, if so. Shame on you.
Is there a way to post pics to the blog? I took photos of the actual article.
A few more notable quotes from the People article (disclaimer--I did not buy the magazine!)
Cara (about going to college) "I want to go far away"
Mady (about her future) "I want to perform in some way. And I feel like I could write some sort of memoir already."
The two men of the house, Joel and Aaden hope the reality show will continue.
And the article ends with this....Kate
"I hope", she says sipping a glass of wine,"that they never settle."
Someone asked if the facility would have had to notify Jon and include him. That's a legal question that I'm not sure about. I believe that since Kate has full legal custody, that she could instruct the center not to communicate with anyone but her and they would have to obey. One parent often has full custody to make things simpler with things like hospital visits. Normal parents communicate. However, I am not a lawyer.
Kate, spend some time researching how Jennifer Garner has handled divorce. Also, Milo, it doesn't matter if Jon isn't stellar. You don't have to be perfect to visit your kids.
Jon has not lost parental rights. Even if one parent has the ability to sign off on medical treatment without consent of the other, it doesn't mean the other parent has lost their right to be INFORMED of the treatment. That's a very different matter.
I'm not going to assume she hasn't informed him. He never claimed that. He said he was shocked, but he could have meant he was shocked she would speak about this.
And the article ends with this....Kate
"I hope", she says sipping a glass of wine,"that they never settle."
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And that's a clear alienating statement right there! Good Lord!
Where is my parental alienator denier? Do you deny the holocaust too? You are unbelievable. And shameful. Shame on you.
I'm catching up on all the comments since Wed so I don't know if anyone else did this or something similar, but I decided I would turn all the People magazines at my local grocery store checkstands the other way so they hopefully won't sell as many. I have to admit I kind of giggled to myself while I did it, for no other reason then to prevent People from selling as many issues and as my "little" way to protect the kids.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 77
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I'm not going to assume she hasn't informed him. He never claimed that.
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But then how does that jibe with his saying, just a few weeks ago, that he hadn't seen Collin in two years and didn't know why? I don't think he was being disingenuous here, I truly believe he couldn't understand it.
We know he's been seeing 4 of the tups, could they have possibly been keeping this a secret from him? Honestly, I wouldn't put it past her to have insisted on total secrecy about this around Jon, "or else." And they are now quite clear on what "or else" means.
Kate has repeatedly said that she settled with Jon, and hopes her kids don't make the same mistake.
Try to spin that as not alienating kids from their father, whom she picked to have 8 kids with.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 9m9 minutes ago
Folks need to STOP being so judgemental! No clue what you all have been thru! ##Dailyt #SoMuchInvolved https://www.instagram.com/p/BHrHMYMBtb5/?taken-by=parenting_special_needs_kids … @kateplusmy8
If Kate wanted to stop people from being judgmental, she wouldn't have put herself and her minor children on the cover of People. So f you, Milo.
Poor Milo-now she has to defend Kate on both Twitter and Instagram. This is her latest tweet:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 12m12 minutes ago
Folks need to STOP being so judgemental! No clue what you all have been thru! ##Dailyt #SoMuchInvolved https://www.instagram.com/p/BHrHMYMBtb5/?taken-by=parenting_special_needs_kids … @kateplusmy8
Um, Milo, you have no clue either.
In Kate's eyes, Jon absolutely DID change overnight. He had always been her door mat, her whipping boy, and then one day he somehow grew a pair and told her he would no longer support filming the kids for the show. How could this be? OVERNIGHT, he was no longer Jon, the passive, younger husband she had chosen as part of her grand scheme. And, just like anyone else who did not meet her expectations (mother, father, sisters, brother, Aunt Jodi, Beth, etc.), he had to be obliterated from her life. However, the most FRUSTRATING thing was, as father of her children, it has been extremely hard to make him totally disappear. That is why she cannot let this go and never will until each and every child rejects him too.
Maybe I should compile my thoughts before posting but this "story" has bothered me since its been released piecemeal this week and reading the entire article has just infuriated me all over again!
Kate doesn't want to reveal "too much" about Collin's issues??? What the h&ll is blabbing to a national magazine protecting? Just mentioning it is revealing too much!!!
Also, speculation on my part, but who else thinks Kate is spending HER money on this treatment? NOT ME! My guess is Collin's trust.
She tends to be a liar anyway, so why not do the shoot with all the kids and when the shows air without Collin, earn herself some brownie points (with the sheeple) and say he decided he didn't want to film any more and I respect his wishes!!!! The sheeple would be singing her praises!
End of rant.....for now
It's funny how Milo's got Kate's whole strategy on this situation laid out line by line on Twitter. I wonder if they reviewed it together before Milo threw it all out there.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 22h22 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 U never jump blind into decisions re: ur kids! I know you explored all options, got multiple doc opinions 2do best for ur son!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 22h22 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 I STAND W/YOU Kate! I can imagine how difficult this is 4entire family...but end results will be good for all! #MomKnowsBest
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 22h22 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 Good parenting cannot always just follow the heart! Emotions can mislead. U made a tough temporary call2get long term benefits!
I keep seeing little Collin sitting in the driveway on his little potty chair, pants around his knees, all by himself--except for the TLC filming crew filming his humiliation.:(
One more for this evening. I was reminded of a song that may be fitting here. Pertinent lyrics posted below.
http://youtu.be/7cZmK3S-7BM
Tim came 'round just the other day
And boy he had some stories to tell
His mama kept him locked up in a rehab
Although the doctors said he was well
He said yeah I been through the anger
And the hatred towards my mom
And I put all that behind me
Just tell me what was it like to go to your prom
He said thank you mom for fixing
My clouded broken mind
But excuse me if I seem a little rude
While I was missing my childhood, my brother and my prime
You enjoyed the convenience of my solitude
he decided he didn't want to film any more and I respect his wishes!!!!
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Careful Kate might steal that idea.
There is a cog missing in that woman! Protecting her children is a vital part of parenting. That young boy has suffered. No doubt in my mind! This all began with her need for attention. The focus is still "all about her."
"I hope", she says sipping a glass of wine,"that they never settle."
You mean like their dad did, TFW?
Sunset Blvd said... 84
In Kate's eyes, Jon absolutely DID change overnight. He had always been her door mat, her whipping boy, and then one day he somehow grew a pair and told her he would no longer support filming the kids for the show. How could this be? OVERNIGHT, he was no longer
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://psychabuse101.tumblr.com/post/136062145974/reactive-abuse-they-call-you-abusive-for
She hasn't claimed "abuse"....yet.
Kate is a twit said... 83
Poor Milo-now she has to defend Kate on both Twitter and Instagram. This is her latest tweet:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 12m12 minutes ago
Folks need to STOP being so judgemental! No clue what you all have been thru! ##Dailyt #SoMuchInvolved https://www.instagram.com/p/BHrHMYMBtb5/?taken-by=parenting_special_needs_kids … @kateplusmy8
Um, Milo, you have no clue either.
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Milo is Kate's Minority Whip. She whips Kate's base- women- who believe that Kate has to film to support the kids and that Jon is a deadbeat dad.
This are dyed-in-the-wool sheep who will never see that Kate is a very wealthy woman with choices, and a 1%'er.
Jon and Kate stopped needing that show years ago. What Kate's doing now is a matter of wanting to remain on tv, remain famous and collect large paychecks by filming her kids' private, real lives.
I'd love to see TFW's "Jon changed overnight" comment juxtaposed with a before-and-after picture of herself. And the motorcycle comment with a picture of her playing eeny-meeny-miny-mo to decide which of her 3 cars to drive every day.
I have no idea how these programs work. I wonder how long Colin will be away from home. The total lack of end game with no mention of re-entry to home with family leaves me suspicious.
I find it incredibly odd that Kate doesn't mention home visits, or family day at Colin's facility, let alone any talk of looking forward to him coming home to live with his family again.
LaLaLandNoMore said... 90
There is a cog missing in that woman! Protecting her children is a vital part of parenting. That young boy has suffered. No doubt in my mind! This all began with her need for attention. The focus is still "all about her."
August 26, 2016 at 3:00 PM
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Kate has convinced herself that she MUST film and use her children to make make money, otherwise there would be no way to support them.
No one can tell her otherwise. Not even after she's become a millionaire MANY times over.
Flmom, welcome! Enjoying your comments so far.
And hello to Sillimom, LaLaLandNoMore, and others who are checking in. Would love to hear from
Virginia Pen Mom, N.E. Psychologist, Kristine101,
Rearranging Deck Chairs, Cruisin' -- so many people whose names I haven't seen in a while.
Sad but true (#86), didn't Gladys once mock haters as "mind readers" when they were making some assumptions about TFW? But Gladys KNOWS
what her true love is thinking and feeling at all times. What with all the behind-the-scenes communicatin they do and all.
What if TLC told Kate or she perceived that TLC didn't want problems releasing shows with just the (7) kids & her? What if TLC didn't want the backlash or Collin's "problems" linked to being forced to film? What if she was told that Jon needs to be told where Collin is (& that she was to have done it already)? So she decides to take care of the issue by using PEOPLE to do so & make some $$$ in the process. Simple TLC. I did it for you. Now can we film or release the episodes already in the can? Jon -- now you know.
What if Collin was still the stubborn holdout against Mommy Dearest & she could not control him no matter what physical, mental, or psycho. abuse she doled out to him? What if he was the example for the other kids what happens when they don't obey Mommy Dearest?
Ha!I think i hit a nerve RumbleXTristana
@jamezvader1194
@MiloandJack @harborhouse2015 @Kateplusmy8 Milo dear,you have no clue either,i know in your fantasy u think u do but really u don't.
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RumbleXTristana Tweet text Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 8m8 minutes ago
@jamezvader1194 @Kateplusmy8 Don't "dear me". U trolls assume this...speculate that...and then present delusion as #fact! #LooneyTunes
PAS is very very real! I experienced it. When my ex remarried when my child was in eighth grade the new wife made it her goal to turn my daughter against me. She used much of the same bullying and brainwashing techniques Kate does. My daughter was very angry at me for a very long time. Then her Adult eyes saw things for how they were. Just today she was apologizing to me for her behavior back then and all I can tell her is that it wasn't her fault. Oh and when she finally stood up to the stepmother, and defended me, she was banished from the house. Sound familiar?
Yes Milo, everybody else is wrong and you and Kate are right.
Patsy (#98), yes, I suppose it's possible that the others might try extra hard to please Mom,
now that they know the worst thing could happen
to them: she might kick them out. That was my first thought when the article said J and A wanted to continue filming. This may have been her preemptive strike before all the tups become teenagers in May.
We don't know why Mady feels the way she does. There may be a reason Kate supports her decision that has nothing to do with your favorite syndrome.
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That's the part you're not getting. It's not appropriate for a parent to cheer on a child's dysfunctional relationship or worse yet, bring it to the public's attention. That in and of itself is inappropriate. Only a therapist, the courts, Kate, Mady and Jon should be dealing with this issue.
Shame on you. Shame on you.
I was just at the house of a friend who was divorced a few years ago. She has 2 kids, and her ex has remarried (to a woman about 15 years her junior) and has a 2-year-old daughter. Things are very amicable, and her kids survived the divorce with relatively little drama. I noticed on her kitchen calendar that she had her ex's little daughter's birthday marked for this weekend,
with the child's name written followed by exclamation points. That little girl is her children's sibling, and will be long after she
and her ex are gone. What a kind, loving choice she has made -- putting her children first. And I bet it gives her heart peace to have made that choice.
Someone should tell TFW the old saying about resentment: it's like taking poison, and expecting the other person to die. The energy she has wasted not only harboring but nurturing her hatred toward Jon is unfathomable. If only she had invested a tenth of that energy into the son she just removed from his home.
Yes Milo, everybody else is wrong and you and Kate are right.
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Yes. The overwhelming amount of negative comments many on FB with a name and face to them mean nothing.
If one or two people see a UFO you don't buy it. But when 1500 people come forward, you probably want to look into it.
PAS is very very real! I experienced it.
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It is very real. And at this point, it's disrespectful to you and anyone else who has been through it to deny it.
And I take offense when I've helped clients facing it both minors and mothers/fathers, to tell me that wasn't real. Actually it was very real, a judge said so, too. And it was VERY harmful to the children and heartbreaking on the alienated parent. Don't tell us that wasn't real.
Kate has convinced herself that she MUST film and use her children to make make money, otherwise there would be no way to support them.
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I think she's also convinced she would be richer but for Jon. She will make him pay for the handful of months filming ceased and she didn't collect her checks. It's like Game of Thrones and her house motto is NEVER forgives a debt.
More quotes from the last paragraph of the article: "I hope they realize the mistakes I made were because I love them and I was doing the best I could. I hope they have careers they're passionate about. I hope they marry someone they truly,deeply love. "
WTF......I can't even.....
That little girl is her children's sibling, and will be long after she
and her ex are gone. What a kind, loving choice she has made -- putting her children first. And I bet it gives her heart peace to have made that choice.
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Yes, that's how it should be. In the house I nannied in we welcomed the two step siblings in with open arms. In fact I got confused who was a step sibling and who was their actual kid but perhaps living with the other parent, because there was no distinction drawn. They were called your sister and your brother, "step" was never uttered. They were also the sister and brother to the new kids born who had no bio relation to one of them. I found the kids became very close as a result.
We don't know why Mady feels the way she does. There may be a reason Kate supports her decision that has nothing to do with your favorite syndrome.
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Could be, but it's still beyond the pale to (once again) use her children's broken relationship with their father for tabloid fodder.
Front cover, no less, with one child missing.
I can't connect the dots that make telling the world that Mady is angry and resentful at her father, and that Colin is in inpatient treatment, to being somehow a good idea for any mother to do.
No direct line, no dotted line nor circuitous pathway makes the ends justify the means.
Tucker's Mom said... 44
That People photo shoot? That IS work. That IS the children working a long, hot day instead of spending their summer, so please, cut the nonsense that Kate and Kate alone is supporting her children when the ONLY reason for their success is the kids
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No, no, no. Kate was working, but the kids were just playing, running in and out of camera range. Remember, Kate said so.
Admin (#106), aw, c'mon, you know by now none of this is about defending TFW. I'm sure that poster can identify parental alientation as easily as we can. She just likes to harass you. Meanwhile, the comments over the past few days have been coming fast and furious, so you must be doing something right. Long live the "cesspool of hate!"
"I hope they realize the mistakes I made were because I love them
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I don't understand this strange comment.
I've heard peoeple say I hope they understand the decisions I made for them were because I loved them, but MISTAKES?
She beat them out of love? Exploited them out of love?
Doesn't she mean because she loves HERSELF?
It's like she hears how one might respond to a question like that but doesn't quite spit it out the same way they said.
It's not appropriate for a parent to cheer on a child's dysfunctional relationship or worse yet, bring it to the public's attention
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Any sane mother would allude to being heartbroken that her children don't see their father. Any caring mother would make great efforts to co-parent with their ex so that the children see peace can be achieved and the past can be put behind them so that they can build a future together.
Jon and Kate don't even speak. That is a MASSIVE failure on both their parts and they should be ashamed for behaving so badly.
This is one of the worst divorce outcomes that I have ever seen.
I hope they marry someone they truly,deeply love. "
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Not some mediocre schlub like their father.
Agree- no words.
Oh, my gosh. I am out of the loop here, but as I stood in the grocery store checkout line this afternoon, I saw the magazine cover. That poor child! He's already been treated like an outcast in that family. What if he saw that picture? Hurt feelings, abandonment (Mommy and my brothers and sisters smiling, all together, having a good time). The humiliation!
Nobody is disputing the fact that if he needs help, counseling, behavioral classes or whatever, that he should't get that help. It's what is best for him. What the moron sheep, who are dumber than dumb, don't understand is that there is no need to throw it into Collin's face by making him the black sheep of the family (pun intended). You just don't do that! You don't make it public like this. The kids have been on display for their entire lives, and it continues. There is no stopping her. What she should have done, if questioned, was to say that Collin prefers not to film, not to have his picture taken. Just leave it at that. Period. Then shut up.
But, no, she had to go and put her big foot into her mouth and once again, this may have backfired. She just doesn't learn. She's really a piece of work.
flmom said... 75
Is there a way to post pics to the blog? I took photos of the actual article.
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I think you need to have the photos in a place you can link to....imgur.com is the only one I'm aware of but there must be others. Perhaps another commentor has a thought.
Hope you can find a way to share them!
What if he saw that picture? Hurt feelings, abandonment (Mommy and my brothers and sisters smiling, all together, having a good time). The humiliation!
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His therapist, care-givers and teachers probably all did a collective full face-palm plant when they saw the stunt Kate pulled.
We don't know why Mady feels the way she does. There may be a reason Kate supports her decision that has nothing to do with your favorite syndrome.
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Even if this is true a real loving selfless mother would tell her daughter to maintain a relationship with her father.
Now if Jon was some sort of predator I'd agree. But Kate tried to diss Jon using the girls on the today show less than 3yrs ago and Maddy was having non of it. But now she hate her dad??
God for-bib if Jon had custody and Kate didn't and he was doing this to her.The world would be angry.
Shoot if Jon had the kids and he basically said my daughters/kids hate their mother and she this and that. And I support it.
Can you imagine how the mothers of the world would tear Jon a new one if he was doing what Kate was doing.
She beat them out of love? Exploited them out of love?
Doesn't she mean because she loves HERSELF?
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She explained that she filed a lawsuit against their father out of love, and for their safety and welfare. Did she withdraw it because they were no longer in danger or because she no longer loved them and didn't give a hoot about their welfare? She never did explain that one, did she?
God for-bib if Jon had custody and Kate didn't and he was doing this to her.The world would be angry.
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I assume that theoretically, Jon could arrange for a photo shoot and interview with the kids, when he has the ones who see him.
I assume he's had offers and many opportunities to do so. Yet, what I read is that Jon doesn't even allow locals to take photos of the kids when they're with him.
Can you imagine the sheeple outrage if HE put them on the cover of a tabloid magazine, with intimate details of their relationship with their mother, and intimate details about their difficulties and challenges?
Yes Milo, everybody else is wrong and you and Kate are right.
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I imagine that when someone is so far up another person's butt, like Milo is, you see nothing but s**t. It's kind of hard to get that stuff out of your eyes. Milo is beyond hope.
The one thing in the article that stuck out the most to me was Cara stating that she wanted to go to college "far away"....very telling.
Paisley said... 133
I'm surprised Colin's school hasn't reached out to Jon so he's part of the program. Wouldn't they expect both parents to be involved?
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Not necessarily. My understanding (if I remember correctly - I could be wrong) is that Kate has sole legal and shared physical custody. Admin can speak better to this, but if she has sole legal then she's the only one that can make legal decisions for the kids. As such, the school might not be allowed to contact Jon if she's told them not to.
I would think, though, that Jon might be able to go back to court in lieu of this recent news to ask the court to revisit their initial custody agreement. I think the main issue for Jon would be paying for it. I suppose he could set up a gofundme account with the money going directly to his attorney. Then people couldn't complain that he's using the $ for his personal needs.
Wonder if Collin comes hone for weekends?
I never was too keen on Mady, especially her bullying of the tups and the nasty things she said about them, but this diatribe against her father sickens me. I know TFW's behind it, but she must have a place in heart for the father she once loved. You don't wound someone like that with such cold hurtful words.
Molly12 (#124), yes, that was revealing, wasn't it? It wasn't, oh, I'm looking at UCLA or Berkeley -- a specific faraway school she might
be interested in. C just wants out. Good on her. She's one of the kids I fear for the most
emotionally. I can easily see M doing DWTS in
2 years, and creating her own youtube channel,
and maybe even doing that memoir with a
ghostwriter. But C may have a rougher
road ahead.
Cara seems far more reluctant to go along with Kate's alienation, exploitation and manipulation. I recall her refusing to let them film in her bedroom and Kate being called out on promising her she wouldn't have to do that. Twice now she wouldn't throw Jon under the bus even when encouraged to and when others around her were, and I think her comment about college "far away" was a slip up or maybe something she doesn't realize gives her away.
She's going to be one of those kids that doesn't understand now why she doesn't want to go along with what's going on here and hasn't been able to specifically connect her discomfort back toward Kate yet, but will eventually after a little maturity.
Formerly Duped said... 126
Wonder if Collin comes hone for weekends?
I never was too keen on Mady,
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Yeah...I imagine it's much like trying to hug a cactus.
Another thing that stuck out to me was that the girls each had their own picture & paragraph & once again the boys were lumped together. If A & J chose to stick together, more power to them, but they do deserve to be individuals as well.
I hope they marry someone they truly,deeply love. "
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Not some mediocre schlub like their father.
Agree- no words.
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What's scary is she is re-writing history that the children can't actually remember, which makes it less likely they can fact check this. My mom has this tendency, though hers is not done maliciously like Kate. She just gets fuzzy about details and is not detail oriented with storytelling. For instance I'm always in third grade in the story when I was maybe really in 5th, or I was at school for something when maybe I really actually was there. I have to correct her.
And that's Kate, changing up details here and there like no one will notice. Now she wasn't even in love with Jon all that deeply. Come off it, she was head over heels. Giddy. A schoolgirl. Couldn't wait for a ring on it. Had a wonderful honeymoon and several good early years. And it's okay! No one expects everyone who falls in love at 25 to be in that place forever. It's not a big deal that it came to a natural end or a reflection on her. But to turn around and pretend the marriage was a sham to begin with is so disrespectful to him, the children, and the truth. She has no right to do it. No right at all.
Funny thing is in 2014 on the today Maddy would not talk bad about Jon. And now she does.
And around this time Jon brought up not seeing Collin as well.
Any sane mother would allude to being heartbroken that her children don't see their father. Any caring mother would make great efforts to co-parent with their ex so that the children see peace can be achieved and the past can be put behind them so that they can build a future together.
Jon and Kate don't even speak. That is a MASSIVE failure on both their parts and they should be ashamed for behaving so badly.
This is one of the worst divorce outcomes that I have ever seen.
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It's one of the worst.
Absolutely if she really loved her children she would be heartbroken there are these issues and should do everything in her power to repair it.
I will never be convinced this is not a direct result, direct, of her alienation. The evidence, her own words, is absolutely overwhelming. Overwhelming. You're a denier if you won't face that. An absolute denier.
And since he sees the other kids just fine, we know it's not physical, emotional or sexual abuse, which are just about the only things the courts will even remotely consider ending visits over--and even then it's RARE. In CA you have to find "detriment" and usually need a therapist to testify. I've gotten half a dozen reversals on it because courts just don't like cutting off visits. No good usually comes of it (as here.)
Parental alienation includes acts of omission, and not following court orders and delivering a young teen to her visitation, not encouraging the relationship, not taking her to therapy and conjoint therapy--showing praise and approval for dysfunction, is just as alienating as anything one can say (And in addition to the omissions, she's said PLENTY). By omitting this support, she is sending a strong message to the children this behavior is sanctioned by herself.
Formerly Duped said... 126
Wonder if Collin comes hone for weekends?
I never was too keen on Mady,
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I see it as abuse.
Jon and Kate loved each other. Not everything in Kate's Mommy Journal was bad. She praised Jon a great deal-especially when it came to his love of and caring for his children. She was genuinely touched by it, and gave thanks for Jon.
Now, she's consumed by hate and the need to punish Jon with a never-ending smear campaign.
I can't imagine how sad and confused this makes the kids.
Kate hates Jon. That is abundantly clear. What's a kid to do? To feel? How do they navigate loving their father when their own mother hates him?
I was always surprised that she didn't ship all of them off to boarding school. Then again, they wouldn't be around to support her financially. Perhaps when they are older, The Hill would be an option. Boarding tuition is only $55,000 a year. Perhaps if TLC pulls the plug, it will be boarding school time for all of them in the future.
Funny thing is in 2014 on the today Maddy would not talk bad about Jon. And now she does.
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The brain washing wasn't complete then. Those girls felt guilty in 2014. Something didn't feel right to them about that script, it was all over their faces, and when the red light came on, they couldn't spit it out. They KNEW it was wrong.
That was Kate's hard lesson, don't put them out there until she beat the instincts out of them. That's accomplished now, and they're unleashed to the media.
Kate has repeatedly said that she settled with Jon, and hopes her kids don't make the same mistake.
Try to spin that as not alienating kids from their father, whom she picked to have 8 kids with.
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It can't be spun no matter how hard you swipe.
You are telling your children your father wasn't good enough. Point blank. Strict liability--if that statement comes out of your mouth, it is alienation. No buts about it.
It's time the sheep make her accountable for what she is doing. If you want to alienate him, which she has, fine, but own what you're doing.
His therapist, care-givers and teachers probably all did a collective full face-palm plant when they saw the stunt Kate pulled.
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Tucker's -- I was thinking the same thing. Maybe they now know how screwed up Kate is, and why Collin may have the issues he allegedly has. I bet the staff at the school is horrified to see that the child is missing from the magazine cover. They must be shaking their collective heads.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 136
Funny thing is in 2014 on the today Maddy would not talk bad about Jon. And now she does.
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The brain washing wasn't complete then. Those girls felt guilty in 2014.
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Mady has been further indoctrinated by Kate, to reject her father, to eschew the notion of forgiveness and grace, and to use her father's love of her to wound him.
Like Kate, Mady will take the love people have for her, and the desire to be close to her, and weaponize it.
Just look at her words in the People article. She understands the power she holds and uses it like a cudgel. She is mean and she is punitive. She has become one of those people who will leave you twisting in the wind, and not give your suffering a second thought.
I would warn anyone who gets caught in Mady's gravitational pull to give her a VERY wide berth, so they don't get sucked into her orbit.
Kate doesn't give specific examples because she doesn't HAVE specific examples.
The motorcycle example was about the most specific thing I've ever heard out of her mouth, and it failed miserably when it was quickly uncovered that was just a freebie and that she was being petty.
Administrator exactly.
Also Maddy said in another interview the same day on the view that SHE felt badly how the divorce affected her mother.
But the divorce really didn't affect her at nine.
I found that so odd that a 12yr old would say this. In IMO Kate is putting adult issues onto her kids shoulders.
Also how many time does/did Kate say the kids need a new daddy?
OMG if Jon said my kids need a new mom people would rip him up.
Also Maddy said in another interview the same day on the view that SHE felt badly how the divorce affected her mother.
But the divorce really didn't affect her at nine.
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I'm sure that will me in her "memoirs".
smh...
I must be imagining things. I thought I saw a comment by Milo that said "he has autism! "But now I can't find it. It's hard to find her comments on Instagram because they're on several different pictures. Anyway that better not be what he has because if that is his diagnosis it is a very very mild point on the spectrum. He's intelligent he's verbal he has no need to go away if it is "only "autism.
I see young adults that come to programs who are very severely autistic and they go out into the community with one on one aids. They grew up in their own homes.
Do you have a photo proof of this? As the sheep would say "no photo no proof".
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Here ya go, hehe! "Kate’s attorney [Cheryl Young] disagrees with his claims, telling RadarOnline.com that “Kate and Jon talked and worked through all of these issues and she withdrew the child support.”
So if they talked, and she was fine with lifting it, why is she turning around and bitching about a motorcycle? Don't lift support if you want his motorcycle money. That's the whole point of support, to compel the other party. But if you don't want it he's going to save his money for HIS time with the kids so HE can do things with them and provide for them on HIS time if you agree you don't want support.
Classic manipulative behavior. Agree to let someone off the hook about something, then blame them for getting off the hook.
Here ya go, hehe! "Kate’s attorney [Cheryl Young] disagrees with his claims, telling RadarOnline.com that “Kate and Jon talked and worked through all of these issues and she withdrew the child support.”
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Is this what keeps on getting twisted as Jon agreeing to let Kate film/selling his kids if she would drop child support?
I see this assertion bandied about as fact all the time, and I'm wondering if there is proof of this "sweetheart deal" being made between them.
But sure, by all means, in light of the devastating aftermath that continues to be happening to these children, let's dwell on a motorcycle that Jon bought in 2009.
Like that f*cking matters at this point.
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We said this. Narcissists KEEP SCORE. They never forget. If something went wrong at any time, even years ago, they will never forgive it, and punish you for it forever. Oh, and they don't necessarily TELL you what went wrong, so they're really pissed about something and you might not even know what it is. (Like how non-specific Kate usually is, and now Mady, how the heck is Jon supposed to know what's bothering her if she won't be specific?)
The motorcycle may or may not have been a justifiable transgresion on Jon's part. But at this stage all these years later, normal adults move on and forget it. It doesn't matter but to the narcissist. She will bring up something from 1984, and you will have no way of knowing THAT's what she's pissed over because no one cares about the transgressions of that year anymore. You cannot have a normal relationship with a narcissist because they cannot move on from things everyone else has. It's like you're in a time machine with them, never able to move forward. Oh, and you can't repay her for that misstep, ever. Nothing will compensate.
It must be hell to be living in 2009, pissed over a motorcycle that is in a junkyard somewhere now.
Maybe if Jon used a coupon to buy his motorcycle and kept the receipt it would be different now. LOL
I feel like we've got items 1-10 of this year's list of Kate's worst moments just from this series of interviews.
You repeatedly claimed that the law precluded her from voluntarily giving up child support, but have conveniently forgotten that because the "she willing gave up support" argument works for you in this case. So which is it? Pick a story and stick to it.
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The law DOES preclude a mother from simply "giving up" support. The court must make that finding. This prevents sweetheart deals (as Tucker pointed out) that are bad for the children, like I'll give up support if you agree to stop seeing the children, agree to move out of state, etc.
You're missing the point. This point is SHE, Kate, is saying, through her attorney, she willingly gave up support. Therefore, SHE cannot turn around and complain about his financial choices when she herself says she isn't pursuing support against him.
You're not getting it. It does't f-ing matter to my point what really happened with support, the point is SHE is talking out of both sides of her mouth. On the one hand saying she willingly doesn't want support, on the other, complaining.
Kate doesn't want to reveal "too much" about Collin's issues??? What the h&ll is blabbing to a national magazine protecting? Just mentioning it is revealing too much!!!
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Welcome flmom. I can't believe we're still getting newbies! Just as fun to see newbies as to have oldies pop in.
This is like what I was saying yesterday, she shouldn't talk about this at all but if she did she was better off just telling us EVERYTHING. Providing snippets just causes natural speculation, and that's offered all kinds of scenarios that might be very off the mark, and fueled the fire. She knew exactly what she was doing throwing out the carrot then drawing it back, and the public can't be blamed for wondering.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 77
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I'm not going to assume she hasn't informed him. He never claimed that.
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But then how does that jibe with his saying, just a few weeks ago, that he hadn't seen Collin in two years and didn't know why? I don't think he was being disingenuous here, I truly believe he couldn't understand it.
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True. I suppose he could have just been talking in general, and that the in patient program is more of a recent thing.
He does though, need to take his FLO and show up to the program during visitation hours.
Tucker's Mom (#134), and I think that brings us to another hugely important issue that's effecting these children detrimentally. Mom hates Dad, and HALF of us is made up of Dad. Therefore, we are somehow less than, or not good enough, or even just downright bad. I think the boys especially are impacted by this. I don't think this can be overstated as one of the worst forms of TFW's emotional abuse of those children.
It's amazing that Kate is still obsessed with all the things she believes Jon did wrong. He did stuff, she did stuff, you've been divorced for years! Figure out how to live your life without spending all your time blaming Jon. Even if you blame him 100% for the divorce, you've had lots of time to build your own life without his influence. If you want his help with the kids, use your words! He's not a mind reader and you won't let him past the gate anyway. Otherwise, do it yourself. Your choice.
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AMEN.
Even giving her every benefit of the doubt, she does need to move on now and have her own life. Her obsession with this only reflects poorly on her. Jon probably wants to move on too. Her continuing to stir this all up prevents him from doing so.
Tucker's Mom said... 95
I have no idea how these programs work. I wonder how long Colin will be away from home. The total lack of end game with no mention of re-entry to home with family leaves me suspicious.
I find it incredibly odd that Kate doesn't mention home visits, or family day at Colin's facility, let alone any talk of looking forward to him coming home to live with his family again.
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That is to be reserved for her talk show tour, details to come...
Marie
Nicole Hare @nicolehare93 3m3 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 picked up @people today, god, the kids have gotten so big. you've raised some beautiful kids.
And one has shrunk so small that you can't even see him in the photo!
Do people really not see that there's a child missing?!
Tucker's Mom (#156), I bet TFW is on pins and needles waiting to see how her issue sells. I think she has a lot riding on whether or not America will "buy" K+7. If it's okay for some of the kids not to participate, she won't care if the twins go away to college. She'll maintain her fantasy of filming until the tups (even if they are minus one) turn 18.
Admin... 147
My mother did that for eons, bringing up ting I said at 17 when I was 40 like it as yesterday, emotions and all. Until I got smart. I kept reminding her when I said/did that, how old I was and how old I am now, and HOW many years had passed? 15 years later she is starting to get it, but still, she feels everything from 40 years ago like it was yesterday, and her emotions are real to her. Weirdest thing. She can at 72 get angry, physically about something that happened to her at age 5. It took me years to realise that was not normal. Kate reminds me of her.
There is hope. My mother relaxed about 8 years ago.
marie
Admin. 150
I imagine the attacker to logic is very sage in their knowledge that they know better.
a link for fun http://www.wikihow.com/Burn-Sage
marie
Posted on other blog, I know you will not let through...
Anonymous franky said...
You are unmitigated bitches ( not all, a few are nice) who scream against the owner of a blog as if she was the devil herself. SAGE, WHY do you feel the need to hate blog on a blog?
Sheesh
I wish Karma upon you...may you live in real life what you do to others on the internet.
Or maybe you already are and are projecting?
Have fun with that one
GET A LIFE ( yes, I know, but you are my game of thrones, only everyone looses, especially those kids)
Thank G-d for Quebec where we refuse to exploit multiples, after we did 70 years ago and learned the consequenses. Kate and her brood DO NOT, AND WILL NEVER air here.
We respect our kids privacy. I taught, as we all do, my child to hide her face if someone she does not know wants her photo. At 19 she still does it todayé YAY for power over your own person.
Not that I think any will get it, but in a wild open world, privacy is gold.
franky
August 26, 2016 11:26 PM
I was asking one of my nieces about the toxic relationship comment. She had times at age 15-16 when she didn't want to see her dad and blamed him for stuff. (Difference is she still saw him.) she said she thinks of toxic relationship as a phrase people use for romantic relationships. I think she's right. I don't really hear it used for father-daughter. I hear it for man-woman. Maybe it's how Kate talks about Jon.
I just saw this on People's Facebook page. The date is August 24th:
"We just saw Kate and all of her kids (well, maybe not the one that was "away") at Orange Beach, FL. No one knew who she was. (Our group was mostly 16 and under, mostly.) We had docked our boat from a dolphin tour and noticed cameras catching them boarding an adjacent boat. They were about 10 feet away from us. My daughter smiled at one of the kids, and she said she rolled her eyes at her. Kate stood there with a scowl until we all got off the boat and there was some goon there who actually put his hand over a 15 year old's cell phone when she tried to snap a pic. What???! You are not that important or famous. The kids all looked 10 shades of miserable and Kate angry. What a great life, it seems!"
That "GOON" had to be Steve! He had no right to cover her cell phone. They were out in public and it is free speech, baby and protected.
She had every right to snap all of the pictures she wanted!!
How dare him!!!
If Steve was there in Orange Beach and he is still minding her and preventing pictures, how long has this been going on now, for over 10 years?
Sad for Gina and her 2 boys. She lost her husband to a mentally unstable woman with 8 kids to mostly babysit the mother, among other things.
Gina can now say the same thing that TFW said about Jon. An alien took over Steve's body. He changed overnight.
This current situation with Kate must be quite a dilemma for TLC. No wonder they've not shown any episodes lately. It's always been Kate+8. I'm betting Collin has been gone for quite a while. Any fairly recent episodes could have been filmed when he was home for a weekend, hence the odd conversation with one of his brothers.
What to do. Kate+7 just doesn't make it after 10 years with such a catchy title. Do they continue filming with just the seven? Seems that was the plan and that was the reason for the Big Announcement. But the fallout has been hugely negative towards Kate, and it's not the usual haters, it's the public in general.
And what to do with the old footage that is perhaps minus Collin? Show it anyway despite the huge uproar over Kate's banishment of one of the 8? Can they continue using the same name for the show? Were the puppies supposed to detract from the fact there are only 7?
What to do, what to do?
The kids all looked 10 shades of miserable and Kate angry. What a great life, it seems!"
Perhpas they's seen the fallout from the People article. LOL I'll bet Kate was surprised. LOL
Deliverence (#164), yes, this must be tricky for TLC. I imagine the unaired episodes are full of the usual happy-go-lucky family fun without C. But in her article, TFW claims how hard it is for her and the others that C is away. So now that the cat is out of the bag, showing those shows might make TFW seem like she doesn't care that he's gone. Like you said, what to do, what to do?
Maybe TFW will film some new poke-and-dab couch interviews that explain C's absence in these
episodes. That he had to go away to get better, but that the show must go on. And I don't have a doubt in my mind that she'd let TLC film the
other kids commenting on it, too. Might as well make the exploitation complete. After recent developments, I am now positive that TFW does not possess a moral compass.
Hello,
I too am a long time concerned person watching the tragedy of this family, the victims being the children.
The arrogance of Kate is beyond help and for anyone to defend her adds to her problem. I believe this latest round of PR is a preview to get viewers for the next "season" of shows. The fact someone saw them filming in Florida recently means more bikini
scenes of Kate and possible the twins now to get viewers. Many has stated she wants to be in business and Mama will do anything to get her a stAR.
Jon sure played into Kate's hand by his immature actions. If he only had focused on the kids after realizing Kate was throwing him under the bus, things probably would have been healthier for the kids. Kate had the backing guns of TLC to push him down and he?showed his immaturity by playing around instead of putting the kids first and foremost on his priorities.
He was the court jester and Kate and her powers knew that. This latest news about Colin will give her the attention she wants as she continues to play the martyr. She is the only single mother in the world shrugging to do her best for the loves of her life and no one has the right to criticize her ever! It is so hard making her subjects work to support her lifestyle and choices. There is no karma in this world for Teflon people.
New show title idea: Kate + 7 Shades of Miserable.
Saying Collin is in a 'pre-adolescent unit' makes this place sound more institutional than educational- other wise wouldn't one say 'he's in the middle school" program or the like? I really can't understand how he would qualify-- again the details are not known but surely there must be an option to keep him at home- if he was wanted there.
Didn't TFW launch her Instagram this summer saying something about the "chaotic fun" in her house?
Yes, nothing says chaotic fun like shunting your child off to a pre-adolescent unit.
And don't you love how she claimed the kids didn't want to pose for a school porch picture anymore, when she knew damn well this story was about to come out, and wanted to save the "reveal" of C's absence for People? She's so cunning and calculated. Do emotions ever weigh in her decision making process, or is it always about the benjamins?
Sftk said... 167
Hello,
I too am a long time concerned person watching the tragedy of this family, the victims being the children.
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Great summary. You really crystalized the story.
We keep waiting for Jon to be the hero here, and for whatever reason, it has yet to happen.
There's a comment over on one of the People articles (they created no fewer than SEVEN online pieces out of this shit-show) claiming that Kate and kids were also in Hawaii recently. I guess only time will tell, but this sounded like it might be real:
XXXX • a day ago
she has always been mean to colin and sending him away was so easy for her as colin was the one who challenge her it doesnt stop her from travelling with the other children while colin is away also learnt she has not been to see him either also she telling people colin will be they for along time as long as jon is wanting to see him also colin reminds her of jon more than the other kids she also just came back from hawaii I was there and my kids played with hannah and kate never check on her or anything she was the sweetest little girl and was always on her own felt sorry for her we feed her one day cause she said she was hungry and her mother never came over once
What to do. Kate+7 just doesn't make it after 10 years with such a catchy title. Do they continue filming with just the seven?
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Of course! If there's money in it, Kate and TLC don't care.
They'll spin it as "real life" and make Kate a saint for sharing her life's story, warts and all.
She's so brave!!!!!!!!!!!!
Steve still thinks he can "handle" the public taking photos of Kate in public. The kids rolling the eyes? Let me guess...Mady. Kate scowling?
Check!
Sounds like Kate and the kids filming and making memories
(I thought the kids were back to school this week?)
So, put Colin in an inpatient program. Put 7 kids on the cover of People and then Film, Baby! Film!
FlimsyFlamsy said... 170
Didn't TFW launch her Instagram this summer saying something about the "chaotic fun" in her house? . . .
Yes, indeed, "chaotic fun." I'm sure there's plenty of chaos when the film crew is around, but I doubt that much of what happens is fun.
"I hope they realize the mistakes I made were because I love them
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What a sick message she's sending and teaching her children. She's telling them that beating them, belittling them, screeching, and controlling them is love????? That's not the love I was taught by my parents and what I grew up knowing. I honestly believe she's a sociopath.
I hope that in C's therapy, his therapist, in addition to working on whatever emotional/behavioral issues he has, reunifies C with Jon. IMO, that should be a big part of the process and it would be a crime to not address that huge and glaring issue.
It would be (or should be) immoral/unethical/criminal to have C go thru all of this and have the family dysfunction not be addressed - especially TFW's issues. (I keep looking and hoping for a silver lining - best case scenario or outcome - somewhere in this mess.)
Sorry, that comment about Hawaii and Hannah etc sounds like it was written by a child. I don't believe it's valid.
Formerly Duped said... 178
Sorry, that comment about Hawaii and Hannah etc sounds like it was written by a child. I don't believe it's valid.
Yeah, I know it's doubtful, but I wonder why anyone would bother with such detail if it's false. I guess we'll see---that is, if any of the episodes in the can make it to air.
"I hope they realize the mistakes I made were because I love them
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What a sick message she's sending and teaching her children. She's telling them that beating them, belittling them, screeching, and controlling them is love????? That's not the love I was taught by my parents and what I grew up knowing. I honestly believe she's a sociopath.
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On the one hand I think she could just be rambling and not really thinking about what she's saying. I think she's mixing up this talking point with something like, "when I punished you, it was out of love."
But to say MISTAKES were made out of love makes no sense at all and is actually quite creepy. If it was all done in genuine love, how is it really a mistake? And which mistakes is she referring to?
The Hawaii comment sounds suspicious but not the Florida one, especially since that one came BEFORE the big reveal about Colin. How many times have they done a Florida episode now and how many episodes involved boat rides? They've got to be kidding.
Admin, agree the Florida comment seems to ring true. The rolling of the eyes and Kate looking angry sound about right.
Speaking of trips, remember how Kate would not let Collin and Alexis participate in some activities or pair them with her? Whether this was for a good reason or not, it served to isolate those two from siblings,and cut down on their fun. Looking back, Kate has never 'forgiven' the two expelled children even if their behavior warranted some special treatment or not.I hope Alexis is not next on the chopping block.
Anyone else remember this in reference to Kate's hoping her kids don't 'settle'? In the videos we all saw, with our own eyes, we saw Kate go to a picnic one day where she saw Jon with someone else and on the spot decided he was going to be hers, never mind the girl he was with, and she set out to have him. That doesn't sound like settling to me. She chased him down. And then in the video where he is proposing to her she is obviously very, very happy and 'deeply in love'. Revisionist history has always been Kate's strong suit, as well as the dumb sheeple.
Milo dear, you are the most idiotic sheeple of them all with all your ridiculous comments and 'sayings'. You are so determined to have people think you and Kate are besties has made you a laughing stock of this whole Gosselin debacle.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 168
New show title idea: Kate + 7 Shades of Miserable.
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Kate + 7 Shades of Miserable, But We Have Puppies!!!
Whenever TFW revisits this "I never really loved Jon" excuse, I have to bring up the question,
then why did you marry him AGAIN? If he was a mediocre, skirt-chasing, lazy, shiftless, douchey, clueless man-baby, then why did you renew your vows with him, promising your children that Mommy and Daddy would be together FOREVER? We all saw it on TV with our own eyes. Just own that you wanted a free trip, and a pretty new dress, and the whole world looking at YOU, which is pretty much your 24/7 desire.
How I wish some reporter would have the courage to ask about that sham wedding. I suppose TFW would just say it was one of the mistakes she made because she loved her kids.
It makes perfect sense and is not the least bit creepy. People make decisions and take actions all the time with the best of intentions that in hindsight they consider mistakes.
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Beating and exploiting a child does not and never has come from love, but she can try to say it does all she wants. It came from anger, selfishness, lack of self-control, and GREED.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 181
The Hawaii comment sounds suspicious but not the Florida one, especially since that one came BEFORE the big reveal about Colin. How many times have they done a Florida episode now and how many episodes involved boat rides? They've got to be kidding.
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No, they are not kidding, because you know why?
She has to go and CATCH A BLANKING FISH!!!
but still, she feels everything from 40 years ago like it was yesterday, and her emotions are real to her. Weirdest thing. She can at 72 get angry, physically about something that happened to her at age 5. It took me years to realise that was not normal. Kate reminds me of her.
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That does sound like Kate. And you're right, it is real to them. It is "yesterday" to them. I think we're learning something even more complex about narcissists, and that is that time does not pass the same way to them as it does to normal people.
It does feel like the way Kate tells it, the motorcycle was bought yesterday. Very odd.
Are you really a lawyer? You sure do have comprehension problems. Kate was talking about Jon buying a motorcycle while they were married not after the divorce. Kate relieved Jon of c/s so he would not go to jail in return for full legal custody. Kate allows the kids who want to see Jon see him. The ones that don't see him do not want to or cannot see him because of the kids therapists do not think it is healthy for them and the judge agreed. Ask Jon.
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Yes Kate. That's how it happened.
But to say MISTAKES were made out of love makes no sense at all and is actually quite creepy.
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TFW has made a comment about her loving 'mistakes' previously, too, something along the same lines of being forgiven for her 'mistakes' and hoping the kids know it was because she loves them. Lest they ever forget, everything she's done was for their own good, for their safety, because she loves them. Yeah, suing their father was done lovingly for their safety, too! smh
Not to mention, falling back on "love" to justify your mistakes is an unaccountable person's cop out.
Don't qualify a mistake. Don't surround it with an impenetrable barrier called love.
If she thinks she made a mistake, own it, and apologize for it, and make changes so it never happens again. But telling your children it was done out of love puts them in an impossible position of never being able to hold her to answer for them. After all, who can argue with love? CLASSIC manipulative behavior. If they ever try to confront her about it, why, they're questioning her very love for them. She is so conniving, it's TEXTBOOK.
I wonder what good intentions TFW had when she grabbed C by the hair and threw him in his crib. Perhaps she thought she saw an alligator on the floor, and wanted to hurl him to safety.
And when she shut C in a dark room with his pants around his ankles, sitting on a potty, telling him not come out until he put something in it, I assume she was trying to teach him to pee in the dark, to prepare for any upcoming blackouts.
And when she ignored C's cries when she was bed shopping and he was constipated, it was probably to build up his tolerance for pain, in case she ever decided to dump him in facility sometime in the future.
I could do this all day...
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"The ones that don't see him do not want to or cannot see him because of the kids therapists do not think it is healthy for them and the judge agreed."
I'd love to know what sort of therapist would make such a recommendation and, further, what sort of judge would go along with that. Are these kids so f-ed up that seeing their father is an actual harm to them? Or did Kate just shop around for therapists until she found one who would say what she wanted them to say? Are the same therapists telling her that seeing Dad is bad, but filming and film Dads are good? Seriously?
Makes for a good tall tale but seriously falls apart on the common sense front. I don't know why this person(s?) bothers to continue to comment here, you're not going to find any "like minds" in these parts.
Kylie said... 183
Anyone else remember this in reference to Kate's hoping her kids don't 'settle'? In the videos we all saw, with our own eyes, we saw Kate go to a picnic one day where she saw Jon with someone else and on the spot decided he was going to be hers, never mind the girl he was with, and she set out to have him. That doesn't sound like settling to me. She chased him down. And then in the video where he is proposing to her she is obviously very, very happy and 'deeply in love'. Revisionist history has always been Kate's strong suit, as well as the dumb sheeple.
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Here is a nice video of Jon and Kate from the beginning to them starting to have kids. There are no kids in the video.
The first wedding:
Kate to Jon: I will always be there for you. Comfort you, love you, honor you. Cherish you. Now and forever more.
Then she nervously said, I'm done.
Jon to Kate: You are the world to me. I promise I will stand by your side as we face new and challenging experiences. This is the happiest day of my life.
As I take you as my wife, and commit myself to you for the rest of our lives.
As soon as Jon finished, she choked up.
They look SO IN LOVE AND HAPPY!
Then at wedding number 2, she told the kids that Daddy and Mommy would be together, forever.
And we all know how that turned out.
https://youtu.be/KgrvUeomPg8
Kate plus 7 followed by the premier of TLCs new show Jon plus 1.
Using love as a catch-all excuse for bad behavior also sets kids up for dysfunctional adult relationships. If they're learning at home to accept poor treatment because it's ultimately for the best, I shudder to think what their marriages, friendships, and career relationships will look like.
That Hawaii comment sounds kinda creepy,i mean really that person was feeding Hannah and not even a nanny or helper notice or was watching the kids?As for the Florida one it sounds more believable and if its true,i hope to God she's not doing yet another boat fiasco where Kate thinks the kids wont get sick a 3rd time and they vomit.Seriously im convince Kate could do that 100 times and Milo would still try to find an excuse.
FlimsyFlamsy said...193
I could do this all day.
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TFW slamming the door in Colin's face when he tried to ask permission to ride over it with his truck.
This was to teach Colin, a small child, to make instant decisions on his own and not bother Mommy with it.
I find it hilarious that the TLC-run Kate Plus 8 page has yet to take any notice of the People cover. Kate Gosselin, the biggest brood mare in TLC's stable of reality "stars," is pretty much absent from the page altogether. They don't back off from linking these sorts of articles on the Duggar pages. So what's wrong with Kate? Are they embarrassed? Or do they just not want to encourage people to talk about it?
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