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Her epiphany: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/why-i-decided-to-stop-writing-about-my-children/
And here's the September 2016 People article feature Kate and kids, sans Collin.
Saturday, August 20, 2016
"I don’t want to mar my children’s glory and subvert their beginnings for my so-called art" and Kate and kids in People magazine, minus Collin
Popular "Mommy blogger" and writer Elizabeth Bastos has packed up shop after realizing (with the help of one concerned grandfather) her posts were intruding on her children's right to privacy.
Her epiphany: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/why-i-decided-to-stop-writing-about-my-children/
And here's the September 2016 People article feature Kate and kids, sans Collin.
Her epiphany: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/why-i-decided-to-stop-writing-about-my-children/
And here's the September 2016 People article feature Kate and kids, sans Collin.
2057 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 801 – 1000 of 2057 Newer› Newest»Kylie (#184), yes, I think TFW's actual comment about Jon's girlfriend was, "She was gone the next day."
TFW likes to win. Whether it's at dating, or gagaball, or breaking the spirit a toddler who dares to challenge her authority..
I'd love to know what sort of therapist would make such a recommendation and, further, what sort of judge would go along with that. Are these kids so f-ed up that seeing their father is an actual harm to them?
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That doesn't happen with rare exceptions like sexual abuse, which we know didn't happen here since he sees the other children. Any good therapist is first going to try a therapeutic visitation schedule in therapy, and take the children through the steps of observing their interactions with their father. A good therapist knows that just because a kid is saying they don't wanna see their parent doesn't mean that's what should happen or what is in their best interest. It just doesn't work that way, if they'd like to keep their license anyway.
Oh, and even if a therapist recommends no visits, it don't mean the judge has to follow their recommendation, OR the Court of Appeal. Been there, and won, several times.
I've NEVER seen a child who didn't want to visit damaged from forced visitation. Never. In fact, it usually resulted in the child changing their tune.
Nice try though.
They look SO IN LOVE AND HAPPY!
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They *were* in love and happy. This WAS the right decision for both of them, at that time. Nobody was settling. For her to deny that all these years later is psychotic. Gaslighting.
He doesn't try to deny it.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 191
Are you really a lawyer? You sure do have comprehension problems. Kate was talking about Jon buying a motorcycle while they were married not after the divorce. Kate relieved Jon of c/s so he would not go to jail in return for full legal custody. Kate allows the kids who want to see Jon see him. The ones that don't see him do not want to or cannot see him because of the kids therapists do not think it is healthy for them and the judge agreed. Ask Jon.
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Yes Kate. That's how it happened.
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Which ones don't see Jon besides the twins and Collin? Does Alexis. Say the part about her relieving Jon of child support for full legal custody is true. She couldn't just graciously forgive his debt without being a bitch and taking full legal custody? Sounds pretty bitchy to me...She obviously didn't need his money. If true.
God Kate looked so sweet and kind in those years with Jon be for the cameras and during M&C birth and even a little bit after the 6.
It's so sad to see what money and greed can do it a person.
The way the Kate fan/troll presents it, Kate basically blackmailed Jon, and did in illegal act in making a "deal" to relieve the support in exchange for legal custody. Illegal leverage, not allowed.
That is NOT something I would spread around, FYI. She could be in serious trouble if that's what really happened. Note, when defending your queen, to implicate her in illegal activity. Just a hint.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 3
. . . Any good therapist is first going to try a therapeutic visitation schedule in therapy, and take the children through the steps of observing their interactions with their father.
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And, fortunately for the therapist, a huge amount of the children's past with their father is available online and on DVD! (How many families have the distinct advantage of having so many of their "memories" documented in this way?) How could any person, after seeing the interaction those kids had with Jon, deny they had a solid and loving relationship with him? And that video of returning the kids home in summer 2010? THAT ought to be required viewing for any mental health professional who's been brought in to deal with this mess.
Using love as a catch-all excuse for bad behavior also sets kids up for dysfunctional adult relationships. If they're learning at home to accept poor treatment because it's ultimately for the best, I shudder to think what their marriages, friendships, and career relationships will look like.
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Excellent point. A healthy adult needs to be able to clearly recognize bad behavior, harm, abuse, without it being mixed up or hidden by other emotions like love. She is blurring the lines and making this difficult to learn.
This is how domestic violence relationships blossom. Both parties are unable to separate love out from the abuse. You have to literally teach them to separate the two. Anyone who thinks her "love" excuse is acceptable to tell those children needs to think seriously on that.
That's quite an assumption you are making. She didn't define the "mistakes" to which she was referring. I was speaking more broadly since she did not provide the context for her remark
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She never does. She knows exactly what she's doing, and you fell for it. I've never seen someone turn so vaguely and noncommittally around a point.
No, saying that something was done from a place of love and saying that it was for the best are two entirely different concepts. You can do something out of love that with your perfect 20/20 hindsight you don't think turned out for the best at all. Real life is messy. Following a rule book to the letter doesn't always get you the results that you want.
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You are setting the children up for severe dysfunction.
Whether something is truly done out of love, qualifying it as such removes personal responsibility, which is exactly what the victim needs to heal and move on.
No one is asking Kate to be perfect, suggesting we are perfect, or whatever else you're implying. What was asked, is she takes responsibility for what she has done for her children. When she hides it behind "love", she makes it hard for the victims to assign her the responsibility for it, which is important in the healing process. In fact, it turns it AROUND on the victim, saying look, you wanted me to love you, what do you expect when some bad things happened out of that love? Classic manipulative behavior. After all this time, she continues to refuse to take responsibilty, and in fact, continues on with her bad behavior without remorse, including exploiting them for her own profit. And THERE'S where they're going to have a lifetime of problems ahead. Please do not hide your mistakes under "love." It's not good for your victims.
Sad but true (#8), yes, I've often said the
same thing about the film footage. This isn't Rashomon, or he said/she said, or a child's distorted memories or perceptions.
All the plinky acoustic guitar background music can't mask some of the absolutely awful moments
on that show. And although editing might take
bad stuff out, it can't add things that didn't happen, or were never said. To quote TFW herself, "what you see is what you get," and it's the "realest reality" show ever.
Another new Food Network celeb show -- "Smollett Eats," featuring the acting Smollett family. But poor ol' Kookbook Kate still can't get a gig.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 10
That's quite an assumption you are making. She didn't define the "mistakes" to which she was referring.
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It's pretty clear now (and has been for years) that she considers Jon one of her "mistakes." How does that feel to the kid who has him for a father? And based on what she's said publicly (or do you think she doesn't have the current issue of People lying around the house?), she doesn't shy away from talking about that relationship, in front of the kids, in very negative terms. I wonder what the therapist (and judge, lol) makes of that.
In that letter to C, TFW says she BREATHES for her kids. And I believe she uses that kind of flowery, over-the-top lovey-dovey talk (which
does not scan for a second with her actual behavior towards them) as a "get out of jail free" card. As if it gives her immunity from criticism not only from them, but the world at large.
The things that messed up her family were: selling their privacy/physically punishing them/emotionally neglecting them/lack of affection/screaming at them. Those were not mistakes "out of love".
Things like spoiling, not setting limits, or being too strict (but not abusive) are examples of making mistakes out of love.
No, Jon does not see Alexis anymore. Just Aaden, Joel, Hannah and Leah.Not sure how long this has been the case. So sad.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 7
The way the Kate fan/troll presents it, Kate basically blackmailed Jon, and did in illegal act in making a "deal" to relieve the support in exchange for legal custody. Illegal leverage, not allowed.
That is NOT something I would spread around, FYI. She could be in serious trouble if that's what really happened. Note, when defending your queen, to implicate her in illegal activity. Just a hint.
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Exactly.
Sftk, I agree with you. There are people in this world who are Teflon. Kate is one of them. She will never experience Karma.
I now believe Kate is a producer of her show. Another boat ride, Kate in a bikini, kids vomiting, Steve doing crowd control. A real producer could have come up with some other idea. But Kate loves her boat rides so much and doesn't care if her kids are sick and miserable.
After reading about this latest Gosselin travesty, I am truly heart sick. From what I saw, Collin was intelligent and sensitive and articulate. Kate tried and apparently succeeded in breaking him. This is tragic.
Kate now on the cover of a magazine, grinning and spinning her plates, is hoping that no one will notice the one that has fallen and cracked.
My hope for Collin is that he thrives now, gets the help he needs and goes forward to lead a happy and productive life.
It is hard to reconcile the image of that 5 year old Mady with her arm around Collin, comforting him as K threatens to trash his much loved toy. How did she get from there to here? Actually I know the answer.
Sad but true said... 8
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 3
. . . Any good therapist is first going to try a therapeutic visitation schedule in therapy, and take the children through the steps of observing their interactions with their father.
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And, fortunately for the therapist, a huge amount of the children's past with their father is available online and on DVD! (How many families have the distinct advantage of having so many of their "memories" documented in this way?) How could any person, after seeing the interaction those kids had with Jon, deny they had a solid and loving relationship with him? And that video of returning the kids home in summer 2010? THAT ought to be required viewing for any mental health professional who's been brought in to deal with this mess.
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This is why I have always said that the original DVD unedited DVD's will be collectors items. They will be very expensive on ebay. The psychology students will be having to do fundraisers and Gofundme's to raise money to buy them because they will be required as a project.
They scrubbed TFW's screaming at Colin's lovey bear I noticed on one video. I know there is more. Much more!
It really bothers me that she is claiming he needs to go away due to "special needs". This conjures up visions of someone who is nonverbal, or severely handicapped. But we know better. He is sweet, intelligent, and does not have any easily discernible differences. I think that's why Emily, who knows him and spend time looking after him, ws disgusted, and calling someone "selfish" on the day this came out. She knows he was being medicated and needed extra help, but she also knows his issues did not, at least at that time, rise to the level of institutionalization (which is what it is). So either he was not given the care he needed, or she just sent him away to get him out of her hair. Emily knows this IMO. And again, if he is on the autistic spectrum, this should have been caught when he was a toddler but she was running all over the country, and when home, handed him off to various nannies, and his parents failed to see this. This is when he should have had early intervention. Look how she ignored his tummy pain at the furniture store.
Let's see, this is the same child who was picked up by the hair, was threatened to have his lovey thrown away, was called stubborn, whose mother prayed to love him, who his mother compared to Jon (who she now hates), who was ignored while in pain...gee whatever could have led to issues?
Golly Gee--when you posted part of Kate's letter to Collin from I Just Want You To Know, there's a part that you missed.
According to the table of contents for the book, Collin's letter starts on page 138, so this is definitely part of the letter to Collin as it's on page 139. It also confirms what Kate wrote in her journal:
"As you have grown, however, I must say you have also challenged my authority greatly. At two and a half, you began testing and trying my parenting at every chance. I called Daddy at work many days crying because you would not obey. I had to ask you every day, “Who’s in charge: you or me?” You would reluctantly answer, “You are”. As you have grown, this fact has not changed You continue to be determined to do what you want to do, and I continue to try to rein you in.
Most days, I am able to see that this determination is a quality I also possess. It is a quality that will take you far—as long as you make the right choices in life."
http://tinyurl.com/zycxhl6
Of course, Kate blames everything on Collin, and would never presume that something was wrong with her parenting. Reminds me of when she said on an episode "I'm in charge and that's never going to change!!"
Swingsandroundabouts (#19), I also remember that gum on the lovey incident well. M seemed to have a visceral response to C's mistreatment, and tried to defend him. But she was fighting a losing battle. Who knows what punishment M may have received afterwards for even trying to help.
If C has developed Oppositional Defiant Disorder it's because she continued to meet his defiance with stronger and stronger control, instead of asking/following advice for parenting a strong-willed child. You can't parent a strong willed child the same way you parent one who is an appeaser.
In that letter to C, TFW says she BREATHES for her kids.
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Kate is making her children feel responsible for her happiness, or lack thereof: Mothering while inflicting guilt & shame on the ones who don't bring her joy.
But she is a succubus and will never be happy which is setting her children up for repeated failure.
I would think that Colin's therapy team has spent enough time with her to have figured her out. Enough to know that he couldn't stay there with her any longer without his own toolbox of survival skills. Hopefully, J & A are also learning some of these skills. It is not the child's responsibility to make Mother happy. Especially in Kate's world of circular logic.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 22
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Yes, that was the sweet side of Mady. But I also remember her pushing and kicking the tups, insulting them, bossing them, not a sharing her toys, taking their drawings for Daddy away; it could have gone another way if she had had a good example from her mother on how to treat these six ' new members of the family' she wished was still 'four.' Her recent verbal insults of the 'littles' were downright nasty.
Oppositional Defiant Disorder
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Lots of foster children develop this.
..many ADHD kids have ODD too.
"The ones that don't see him do not want to or cannot see him because of the kids therapists do not think it is healthy for them and the judge agreed.Ask Jon". Why do i get the feeling that this Kate defender is Milo still trying so hard to defend Kate on both twitter and IG?Wouldn't be shocked if it is milo.
"Oppositional defiant disorder (ODD) is associated with temperamental contributions including poor emotion regulation, high levels of emotional reactivity, and poor frustration tolerance. Environmental risk factors include harsh or neglectful parenting, and highly authoritarian parenting.
Children with ADHD are particularly vulnerable. "
"I Just Want You to Know" was published in 2010. So six years ago she reminds Collin "...and I continue to try to rein you in". He would be between 5-6 when she wrote those words. I shudder to think what she meant by "rein". It sounds like he could have benefited from professional help, from at least that point in time, if she had sought help instead of all that reining in. Poor dejected and rejected little fellow whose needs were ignored in favour of filming.
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Thank you for posting what I had left off, Kate is a Twit.
I tried to copy it from the beginning, but it wouldn't let me due to copyright infringement.
Wow, it is pretty shocking. God bless Colin.
The millstone will be never heavy enough for her, I tell you.
Cannot believe they are filming again in FL and going out in a boat in the ocean.
Another vomit, fish, b**** fest.
And the beat goes on. Jon has a gig tonight.
https://twitter.com/jgosselin10/status/769546223233753088
Of course, Kate blames everything on Collin, and would never presume that something was wrong with her parenting. Reminds me of when she said on an episode "I'm in charge and that's never going to change!!"
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And, she didn't account for there being something going on with him that made following her rigid rules much more challenging to him. Special needs kids aren't doing this on purpose, and need lots of help and support to redirect and handle situations that come easy to you or I. She is the worst person to have a kid with special needs. Her parenting style made everything worse. By her own admission, she played a battle of wills with him. We've seen her do it before. The worst thing you can do in the situation is be in a stand-off with a 6 year old.
. I think that's why Emily, who knows him and spend time looking after him, ws disgusted, and calling someone "selfish" on the day this came out. She knows he was being medicated and needed extra help, but she also knows his issues did not, at least at that time, rise to the level of institutionalization (which is what it is).
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This was some time ago, can someone recap what happened with Emily in detail? We have a heck of a lot more context to it now.
It seems to me Emily has a sweet heart, obsessed as she is, and watching Kate not up to par with a special needs kid could really crush her fantasy.
I just found this and it is very upsetting to me. OH MY, HOW FREAKING SAD!!!
How PAINFUL not to have all of the kids there together for their 12th birthday. Where was Colin?
Picture of Jon's birthday party for the 6.
https://twitter.com/jgosselin10/status/724741097919012864
Oppositional Defiant Disorder
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Lots of foster children develop this.
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As do we, the adopted. It begins from not bonding/having an early bond broken. Then you set yourself up for the old "I will leave you before you leave me" game of life. The self fulfilling prophecy that keeps giving.
Multiples are especially at risk because they don't receive the necessary time required to develop that close personal bond with the mother. In Kate's case, the kids had so many volunteers that I always wondered how they were expected to bond with her.
KIAT (#22), thanks for printing the rest of that letter. I've never read the book, and have only seen bits and pieces. Good lord, what a profoundly disturbing insight into her dysfunction.
The name of the book should have been, "I Love You, But..." Look how craftily TFW paints herself as a victim. Poor woman -- every day she had to keep a defiant toddler in line. She writes as if the little guy's goal was to intentionally piss her off (excuse my language, but I'm so damn angry). And for her to remind him every day
that she was in charge? That's not a mother, that's an effing drill sergeant.
Cher once said on a talk show that what she knew about men you could write on the head of a pin, and still have room for the Lord's Prayer. I'd say the same about TFW and parenting.
Say it again, TFW -- I AM a horrible mother.
jamezvader1194 said... 29
"The ones that don't see him do not want to or cannot see him because of the kids therapists do not think it is healthy for them and the judge agreed.Ask Jon". Why do i get the feeling that this Kate defender is Milo still trying so hard to defend Kate on both twitter and IG?Wouldn't be shocked if it is milo.
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Funny..I was just thinking that the sheep emergency DM meeting was where they got their talking points to drive by here....
Just wondering (#138), thanks for your insight.
I wonder if TFW's lack of bonding with her children is what made it so easy -- if not preferable -- to be away from home so much.
I never sensed a real connection between her
heart and theirs. No spontaneous affection, encouragement, or warmth. They were, first and foremost, her property.
Interestingly, ODD's major therapy involves retraining the parent. How likely is that to happen with TFW. I'm not saying he has this, but the description posted here that SHE wrote fits it.
https://www.aacap.org/App_Themes/AACAP/docs/resource_centers/odd/odd_resource_center_odd_guide.pdf
"Studies have shown that intervening with parents is one of the most effective
ways to reduce the behavioral symptoms of ODD in all age groups.20 Parentmanagement
training teaches parents positive ways to manage their child’s behavior, discipline techniques, and age-appropriate supervision. It is the
treatment of choice to prevent disruptive childhood behavior for many
mental health professionals.
Most treatment plans for children and adolescents with ODD last several
months or longer. For those with a more severe ODD, or ODD that does not
respond to therapy, treatment can last many years and may include placement
in a treatment center.
A residential treatment center only should be considered for families who
are not able to provide therapy at home or at school. In-home services are
preferable to residential placement and are often sponsored by state and
local child welfare agencies.22"
FlimsyFlamsy said... 39
She writes as if the little guy's goal was to intentionally piss her off (excuse my language, but I'm so damn angry). And for her to remind him every day
that she was in charge? That's not a mother, that's an effing drill sergeant.
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Was it Collin that she expected to apologize to her when he was a toddler? There was one incident where she wrote just like that...as if it were purposeful behavior toward her and she expected remorse. At two years old. It was maybe knocking over high chairs or getting into the m&Ms
OT
Making a Murderer -- Steven Avery's lawyer reveals her theory on how Steven was set up – and hints who she thinks is the murderer.
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/making-a-murderer-steven-averys-lawyer-says-he-was-framed-w436412
GollyGee said... 37
I just found this and it is very upsetting to me. OH MY, HOW FREAKING SAD!!!
How PAINFUL not to have all of the kids there together for their 12th birthday. Where was Colin?
Picture of Jon's birthday party for the 6.
https://twitter.com/jgosselin10/status/724741097919012864
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I think you posted the wrong tweet...is this it?
https://twitter.com/jgosselin10/status/730037614171062273
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 36
. I think that's why Emily, who knows him and spend time looking after him, ws disgusted, and calling someone "selfish" on the day this came out. She knows he was being medicated and needed extra help, but she also knows his issues did not, at least at that time, rise to the level of institutionalization (which is what it is).
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This was some time ago, can someone recap what happened with Emily in detail? We have a heck of a lot more context to it now.
It seems to me Emily has a sweet heart, obsessed as she is, and watching Kate not up to par with a special needs kid could really crush her fantasy.
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One summer, she tweeted about her dreams coming true. It seemed as if she had gotten a nannying position with TFW the way she tweeted about missing them. THEN she showed up on the episode where they were in New England. People started tweeting her about it and that Cow's person claimed the next day that EM had DM'd her private information about behavioral problems, ADHD, and behavioral medications. Cows showed part of the DMs but not the whole thing.
Hit publish too soon. It seemed as if Em had naively thought she could justify TFW's need for a nanny on the trip. However, the issue wasn't having a helper, it was that a random twitter young adult was suddenly on a trip with them.
Oops.. Got my disorders mixed up there for a minute.. I was actually talking about Reactive attachment disorder.
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FlimsyFlamsy said... 41
I wonder if TFW's lack of bonding with her children is what made it so easy -- if not preferable -- to be away from home so much.
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Kate's children are nothing more to her than a mirror reflecting upon her. If they are pretty, she is pretty. If they have "special needs" then her reflection of herself is not so pretty. A needing glasses is an example of just how perfect this reflection must be. The kids are nothing more than accessories to her.
Kate can't bond with anyone who does not "know how to help her." If you can't help her then you are dismissed from her life. Eventually everyone is dismissed because it's an impossibly exhausting job trying to please her. No one can do that forever. Each of her children will "fail her" or "abandon her" in her mind and each child will be dismissed from her life as she has done with her parents, friends, all relatives, & Jon. (though as the father of her children she hasn't had as much luck permanently banishing him from her life, lol!) The kids are stuck with her for now, but mark my words, they will each "fail her" at some point. Colin is lucky to be out of there and away from her maddening personality disorder.
People started tweeting her about it and that Cow's person claimed the next day that EM had DM'd her private information about behavioral problems, ADHD, and behavioral medications. Cows showed part of the DMs but not the whole thing.
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That sounds so much more credible now that we know what we know.
I think she's tried to pass him off on nannies for years now until even that wasn't working. It looks cheap too to hire all these early 20-something friends she's encountered. He needed someone with real training and experience, even someone with either teaching or therapeutic credentials. Some 21 year old kid isn't going to know what to do.
This is an interesting conversation. There is an article entitled "We Are All Anxious Now" on the web site of Plan C, this radical leftist group in the U.K.
The article mentions how we are compelled to overshare as a component of modern life, I was immediately struck by the parallels between what they were saying and the observations on mommy bloggers others have posted.
I think the breakdown our society has experienced over the last two generations has a lot to do with it as well. We've gone from three generations under a roof to nuclear families to nuclear families split by divorce, and instead of dad having one job both parents must have two. There are things a young mother would have learned from aunts, older siblings, etc, that are just not available any more, because we're too busy. And anxious.
This is Kate. She checks every box.
http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/characteristics-of-narcissistic-mothers/
Do we really know if Emily is referring to Kate with that tweet?We made the same speculation with Barb when she tweeted a gif which we thought was about Kate but it turned out she didn't change her mind about her.I've seen EM favorites and she hasnt favorite a whole lot of Kate's tweets except for a few but that was before the PEOPLE article.
jamezvader1194 said... 51
Do we really know if Emily is referring to Kate with that tweet?We made the same speculation with Barb when she tweeted a gif which we thought was about Kate but it turned out she didn't change her mind about her.I've seen EM favorites and she hasnt favorite a whole lot of Kate's tweets except for a few but that was before the PEOPLE article.
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True, but someone asked her if that is what it was about, and she didn't answer and seems to have blocked the person because that reply is no longer visible. And she hasn't made any other comment on it despite all the publicity. So maybe not, but maybe.
How does a two year old child challenge your authority?
I never heard that one be for.
jamezvader1194 said... 51
Yeah, that whole convo was about Kate and kids. No question.
nealrauhauser said... 49
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Very interesting perspective.
For some reason, my mind just bounced to The Pioneer Woman, Ree Drummond.
OK, I'm cooking dinner and had a glass of wine, so do the math, but...
I've complained about PW filming her kids, even though she is definitely the main attraction, and deservedly so with her multi-faceted talent. However, as I've observed her episodes with the kids, they are SO well adjusted, happy, contented, bright and just plain agreeable.
They are a joy to watch and I get the sense that they are going to turn into, as they say, "good people".
PW and her husband have more money than even Kate can dream of, but despite the wealth and the veritable empire that PW has built, and her fame, and having become a household name, there has been no scandal.
I have to wonder if it's because those kids have had an intact home, a wonderful network of extended family and friends, and...faith which has (by all appearances) never flagged.
DH and I went to the grocery store and you guessed it, saw Kate's mug staring back at us in the checkout line.
I told DH to count the kids on the cover, and he said, "They're missing one". I told him about Colin and he said, "Well, they don't seem to upset about it!".
Yup. Smile for the cameras, kids.
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Social media time, just had an amazing meeting with new management, big things to come, grabbing grub in Doylestown, at M.O.M.'s!!!
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Keep meaning to get back there when DH and I are in the area. It used to be "Maxwells" when I lived up the road.
I LOVE Doylestown.
The idiocy and mental deficiency of her fans has no bounds, just mindless supporting Kate. What kind of stupidity is it that the fans have said they know she beat her kids but that was a long time ago and she was overwhelmed. There is NEVER a good enough excuse for child abuse -- NEVER.
Tucker's Mom (#56), your lucky husband -- not to be invested in this mishegas! I noticed the
cover at the grocery store yesterday and felt
so sad. Glancing was about as much as I could allow myself. I couldn't bear to really look at the 7 little faces, plus one donkey.
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The idiocy and mental deficiency of her fans has no bounds, just mindless supporting Kate. What kind of stupidity is it that the fans have said they know she beat her kids but that was a long time ago and she was overwhelmed. There is NEVER a good enough excuse for child abuse -- NEVER.
And when (if) the actual beatings stopped, we saw how impatient and unkind she often was/is on cam, and not just to Collin but to every kid. I'm betting that in some ways the verbal abuse and belittling were/are just as harmful and the pinching and grabbing by the hair. Just because they may be too big to terrorize physically doesn't mean she's stopped attacking them in other ways.
Sad but true (#60), the personal stories readers have been sharing are proof positive that emotional abuse can be just as bad, if not worse, than physical. Bones heal and bruises fade. But damage to the psyche can be permanent.
You know the good thing about C being where ever he is? Kate cannot interfer or stop the truth from coming out of his mouth about how has been treated or how he feels he has been treated. He can also openly speak up about what is really happening in that house. How he really feels about his dad. Maybe counselling session will require dad to be present. So in this light, it is a good thing, hopefully for all the other kids too. I wonder if there are true signs of abuse, the facility is a court mandated reporter. One can only hope. Maybe when he's ready to come back into the world, living w/ Kate is not recommended. There has to be a God watching out the the Gosselin 8
Kylie said... 58
The idiocy and mental deficiency of her fans has no bounds, just mindless supporting Kate. What kind of stupidity is it that the fans have said they know she beat her kids but that was a long time ago and she was overwhelmed. There is NEVER a good enough excuse for child abuse -- NEVER.
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And the consequences are today. And he is far away because of it.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 7m7 minutes ago
Just got the LAST copy of @People at store...I'm tellin' the truth! Already sold out! Beautiful pics & a fine/positive update.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 5m5 minutes ago
Don't know why folks R so unhinged about minimal info U gave about ur son! Sounds like he's going to be fine! #CaringForCollin
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m2 minutes ago
Whatever the future holds...whatever challenges lay ahead, you're the #SingleMom who never quits! @kateplusmy8
High Sodium Content (#62), I do hope you're right about C. This may be the very first time in his life that he's receiving extensive one-on-one adult attention that doesn't involve chore instructions, criticism, or punishment.
I remember some people saying that hopefully that was the upshot of helping the farmer next door -- C getting praise and approval for a job well done. Well, I'm hoping somehow in this place, he's getting praise and approval just for being himself.
Robert, if you're reading here, thank you for trying to help.
TFW, speaking about Colin's situation:
This has been a struggle we've had for a very long time, and it's one I've dealt with on my own. I've felt very alone in this. By the same token, it's not something that has only impacted me or him – our entire family has been impacted."
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Nothing has changed. Nothing will change. Colin is dealing with some sort of issue and the first person she mentions as it having impact upon is.....wait for it.......ME.
"It's not something that has only affected me or him....."
The woman is ugly ugly ugly on a cellular level. The 7 people who defend her are just as ugly and certainly lacking in the most basic level of common decency.
I have not posted here in quite awhile and I see a few others who have said the same thing. I had thought, obviously stupidly, that things were hopefully winding down with these people. If I never hear the Gosselin name again it will be too soon.
Webster's should take note: this People cover should be the picture that accompanies the word dysfunctional.
The idiocy and mental deficiency of her fans has no bounds, just mindless supporting Kate.
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Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 14m14 minutes ago
Don't know why folks R so unhinged about minimal info U gave about ur son! Sounds like he's going to be fine! #CaringForCollin @kateplusmy8
Well, then, Milo, you just confirmed what we've believed for quite some time. You really *are* the idiot we all suspected you are.
Considering how many people "of faith" have been embroiled in scandal, I think it's a bit of a stretch to attribute a scandal-free reality TV existence to religion.
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The vast majority of people of faith are law abiding and stay on the straight and narrow. There will always be scandals and the parties involved are of all different faiths or no faith at all.
I think either a religious upbringing or other strong moral support system is very much a factor in keeping children on the straight and narrow. The factor is that moral support, in my view.
MIlo the problem is Kate should have given any info on her child's issues.
And Kate's not alone she has/had her family she has Jon she has his family she had Jamie even Denna..Yet Again problem is SHE pushed them all away she alone because of herself.
Yes, thank you for the correction, localyocal. ;)!
It has been fast and furious and upsetting here since this hit the fan.
https://twitter.com/jgosselin10/status/730037614171062273
Shouldn't have.
@Fleecing the Sheeple Is Milo seriously this desperate to prove to people that Kate is relevant that she has to convince people that the magazine sold out where she lives?Seriously my local walgreens i went to today had a bunch of copies that look like no one even touched. Fired Up 4 Kate
@MiloandJack
Just got the LAST copy of @People at store...I'm tellin' the truth! Already sold out! Beautiful pics & a fine/positive update. @Kateplusmy8
Kate Gosselin "finds it heartbreaking Jon chose public forum to discuss chidrens health issues" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2488071/Kate-Gosselin-slams-ex-husband-J. Milo had a blue fit when Jon spoke about his kids problems with 'wants and needs...." Since this time it's Kate, not a problem..
@MiloandJack
Just got the LAST copy of @People at store...I'm tellin' the truth! Already sold out! Beautiful pics & a fine/positive update. @Kateplusmy8
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I bet you brought all of them.
#71 Milo also lied about Kate's cookbook selling so well, they were printing 50,000 more copies. And she used the hashtag #bestseller. For someone who is always spouting bible verses & truth platitudes, Milo sure lies a lot.
Kylie said... 58
The idiocy and mental deficiency of her fans has no bounds, just mindless supporting Kate.
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And whenever anything negative comes up about Kate, those mouth-breathers immediately bring up Jon's lack of paying support. It's their version of putting their fingers in their ears and going "la la la la, I can't hear you."
A couple weeks ago some of us noticed that Kate "(I AM a horrible mother") had been cut from TLC's I AM campaign. In light of these recent developments, I think we now know why!
"Fine/positive update" -- WTF, Gladys? Did TFW say C is thriving in his new program? That they're hoping he comes back soon, happy and healthy and whole? That they visit and Skype with him often, and can't wait until he gets back? No, she didn't.
There is nothing in that article that conveys "fine" or "positive," unless you are madly in
love with the subject of it, and unable to see
the glaring, ugly truth of a mother exploiting
her troubled child for profit. Who's #looneyTunes now, Gladys?
Deliverence said... 75
Kylie said... 58
The idiocy and mental deficiency of her fans has no bounds, just mindless supporting Kate.
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And whenever anything negative comes up about Kate, those mouth-breathers immediately bring up Jon's lack of paying support. It's their version of putting their fingers in their ears and going "la la la la, I can't hear you."
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Like this genius:
Cato @Cato_Cat 39m39 minutes ago
@MiloandJack @msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 it's nobody's business ! Loved the article .
aracelli @aracelli_01 34m34 minutes ago
@Cato_Cat @MiloandJack @msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 Then why did she announce it in People Magazine???
Cato
@Cato_Cat
@aracelli_01 @MiloandJack @msgoody2shoes21 @Kateplusmy8 how about because he wasn't there ! Did you even read it ?
So this idiot thinks K8 had to announce it to explain why he wasn't in the picture. WHUT. How about you keep your life private so you DONT have to announce it to the world. OMG as if their picture just happened to be plopped there so then K8 had to explain it, rather than them having a photo shoot around the announcement. DUH
A couple weeks ago some of us noticed that Kate "(I AM a horrible mother") had been cut from TLC's I AM campaign. In light of these recent developments, I think we now know why!
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Oh, I'd forgotten about that! Huh!
I don't know what TLC thinks of this. Most likely they're trying to figure out the best PR strategy through it. That may be laying low at the moment and let her put out feelers with this article, see how the public reacts.
Maybe Kate was "heartbroken" Jon discussed it because she didn't think of it first. $$$
Layla said... 76
A couple weeks ago some of us noticed that Kate "(I AM a horrible mother") had been cut from TLC's I AM campaign. In light of these recent developments, I think we now know why!
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Oh I missed that! Wow
I don't know what TLC thinks of this. Most likely they're trying to figure out the best PR strategy through it. That may be laying low at the moment and let her put out feelers with this article, see how the public reacts.
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Wouldn't it be in Kate's contract that any interviews she did with mags had to be approved by TLC?
FF said: "Fine/positive update" -- WTF, Gladys? Did TFW say C is thriving in his new program? That they're hoping he comes back soon, happy and healthy and whole? That they visit and Skype with him often, and can't wait until he gets back? No, she didn't.
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She will now Flimsy because the idea has been put into her head and you've told her what needs to be said. Whether it's true or not, she'll claim that she's doing all of the above. Wait for it.
Wouldn't it be in Kate's contract that any interviews she did with mags had to be approved by TLC?
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Maybe. And they may very well have approved this. This is a good way for them to test it without seeming to be directly involved. Thinking about it, if I were them, I'd rather have People do it first and see how it goes (badly). Then from there I would decide how to edit the episodes and what to show, based on how much I think the public really wants to hear this.
If they were really confident in this they would have wanted to break the news themselves in a very special episode. That's not how it went down.
Speaking of the I Am campaign, Collin appears in this video at 20 seconds it's very fast, but whenever this was filmed he was still around. And again, hardly so "special needy" that he seems to need institutionalization
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/i-am-tlc/new-60-brand/
You know, the best part (if there is one) to this whole magilla with respect to the People stories is that, outside of maybe a couple hundred comments on her Twitter TL and IG over several days that referenced the People article and were positive towards Kate, the only ones still talking over there tonight are the non-fans. And Milo, lol.
I think this is a real turning point. Her time in the sun is done. People have moved on, and the only ones who still even marginally care are those who were brought up watching those shows---kids who were the same age as her kids whose parents plopped them in front of the TV while this was on. Or older people who enjoyed the novelty. (And with the number of times TLC has rerun these episodes over the years, they extended the shelf-life of this show exponentially---so bravo for that, TLC!) Most "real" moms moved on a long time ago because there was no take-away for them from this show. They admired her so-called organizational skills--but almost no one can really point to a particular skill or has a need for anything that looks more suited to a day-care than a typical home. And that's why they didn't buy her cookbook either. The people who bought that mess did so as a souvenir of the show, not for the recipes.
If TLC does actually air whatever they've got in storage right now, I tend to think the only interest left after those episodes will be for "milestones." Almost no one is interested enough anymore to tune in "same time, same place" every week for 8 or 10 weeks to watch a whole lot of pretending about something now completely lacking in novelty value. And "tainted," sad to say, now that the story about Collin is out. No more perfect family---even if most viewers don't care to understand the sorry history of this young boy's relationship with his mother, there's no "plus 8" anymore and there's just no getting around that. Not even with puppies.
Would some maybe buy it from TLC on demand or YouTube? Sure, I don't doubt it. But it won't bring in anywhere close to what it is currently costing to produce it, certainly not to the extent of lavish 5-star trips for 15-20 "talent and crew" two or three times a year. It's too bad TLC is not forced by shareholders to break down costs/revenue by show. I'm sure that would be a real eye-opener.
Maybe. And they may very well have approved this. This is a good way for them to test it without seeming to be directly involved. Thinking about it, if I were them, I'd rather have People do it first and see how it goes (badly). Then from there I would decide how to edit the episodes and what to show, based on how much I think the public really wants to hear this.
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There is no scenario that I run through my head where that People interview would be a good idea. And it makes no sense to me that TLC has been filming K+8 all summer with no Collin and then waited until basically the last minute to spring the bad news through People.
Perhaps Collin was there for filming but he was so unhappy his therapist said no more, so future filming was going to be sans Collin, therefore the article.
But if Kate, Kate and TLC thought it was a good idea, they must be stunned at the backlash. How heartless they are to ignore the feelings of this child. But then, I'm thinking of the child, they're thinking of their bank accounts.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 83
Wouldn't it be in Kate's contract that any interviews she did with mags had to be approved by TLC?
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Maybe. And they may very well have approved this.
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Yeah but somehow I don't think they were 100% on board. I don't know how you can explain the difference between how TLC has treated the almost-weekly Duggar stories in People (they are always linked on the relevant TLC FB pages) and the fact that they haven't even mentioned this story on her FB page---or done anything that even alluded to her directly beside their promos on her page for the Chicago block party, which is now 6 weeks ago. I'm not sure what the difference is, but there most definitely IS a difference. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they're getting ready to dump her again.
Layla said... 76
A couple weeks ago some of us noticed that Kate "(I AM a horrible mother") had been cut from TLC's I AM campaign. In light of these recent developments, I think we now know why!
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When she was holding the big white placard on the TLC I AM promo, with that sad/sour face defeated face, it said,
TERRIBLE, in big letters.
Betcha the sign was in front of that big millstone she has around her neck.
I did notice that she was cut out. They had to get her edited out because of the People cover coming out!
TLC was just covering their @.
Kate is a twit said... 22
Golly Gee--when you posted part of Kate's letter to Collin from I Just Want You To Know, there's a part that you missed.
According to the table of contents for the book, Collin's letter starts on page 138, so this is definitely part of the letter to Collin as it's on page 139. It also confirms what Kate wrote in her journal:
"As you have grown, however, I must say you have also challenged my authority greatly. At two and a half, you began testing and trying my parenting at every chance.
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That is the job of a healthy two and a half year old! Questioning authority, exploring everything, being defiant for no good reason is what two and a half year olds are supposed to do. It's child psychology 101 lady.
People article and were positive towards Kate, the only ones still talking over there tonight are the non-fans. And Milo, lol.
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And there are not that many non-fans left, only the regs who live there day and night. I don't understand that they don't realize that if they gave it up, her TL would be as dead as a door nail. They're basically keeping it alive. Is that what they want? I thought they wanted her to go away! lol!
What exactly does Milo get out of her one-sided 'relationship' with Kate? It must be rather sad to be such a butt-kisser and be ignored for the most part, satisfied with the few meager crumbs Kate throws to her.
And in other news, if you haven't heard, Barbie's daughter (Beth Ann) was the prowler.
How was she cut out? Does anyone have a link to the edited photo or video? All I could find was the one iwth them in it
The woman is ugly ugly ugly on a cellular level.
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Somewhere in that compound, there's a portrait of Dorian "Kate Gosselin" Gray, that show's what she really looks like when she unzips that tanned-hide veneer and slithers out.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 14m14 minutes ago
Don't know why folks R so unhinged about minimal info U gave about ur son! Sounds like he's going to be fine! #CaringForCollin @kateplusmy8
Well, then, Milo, you just confirmed what we've believed for quite some time. You really *are* the idiot we all suspected you are.
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Well, then Milo, you should really not know why Mady is so unhinged about Jon saying that he hasn't seen or spoken to her in awhile.
Works both ways, you sentient enema.
Oh, Kate Coyne, was Colin "ready for that information to be out there"? Did ya even ask him? Did Kate?
I think the difference between TLC's treatment of the Duggers and their treatment of TFW comes down to the fact that they (TLC) created TFW in all her glory. We've watched it happen over the years as TFW got worse and worse and TLC just kept filming because all eyes were on the train wreck that the show had become. As bad as she was on the show makes me shudder to think what's on the cutting room floor. I really believe that TLC saw brutal treatment but did nothing to stop it. As someone said, TLC had better get its Gosselin fund together now because I predict that there will be lawsuits in the future. Collin should be the first because what they've (TFW included) done to him is unforgivable. All for the sake of money. What mother (and I use the term loosely) cares more about fame and money than about the feelings of her child. Oh, right, People cover shoot. Look at meeeeeeeeeeeee! Judging by the online comments on the People article I'd say that TFW went a little too far this time with her farting rainbows and shitting unicorns. Smiling and laughing while talking about Collin and his problems and smirking proudly while Mady trashed her father. I think what caused the most outrage was the fact that while she talked about poor Collin and his problems with the appropriate solemn face on, she went on to do the cover shoot anyway with him noticeably missing and a big shit eating grin plastered on her mug.
I don't know what TLC thinks of this. Most likely they're trying to figure out the best PR strategy through it. That may be laying low at the moment and let her put out feelers with this article, see how the public reacts.
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Yet, they're filming. I don't get it.
Hey, we're down a father and a son, but let's keep filming the crap out of the kids who haven't been voted off the island!
I wonder if the reason they pushed K+8 back for so long is that they're trashing the unaired episodes with Colin. At this point, knowing his fate, it would look really, really bad if Kate was acting like nothing was wrong in Unicorn Fartville.
Tucker's Mom said... 97
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 14m14 minutes ago
Don't know why folks R so unhinged about minimal info U gave about ur son! Sounds like he's going to be fine! #CaringForCollin @kateplusmy8
Well, then, Milo, you just confirmed what we've believed for quite some time. You really *are* the idiot we all suspected you are.
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Well, then Milo, you should really not know why Mady is so unhinged about Jon saying that he hasn't seen or spoken to her in awhile.
Works both ways, you sentient enema.
Oh, Kate Coyne, was Colin "ready for that information to be out there"? Did ya even ask him? Did Kate?
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Milo loves to have it both ways. For years Kate was raising Happy! Healthy! Well-adjusted! Family-working-together! kids. All.Lies.
localyocal, I went on TLC to find the promo for you.
I found something that made me sick and want to cry.
Jana Duggar made a cooking video with 4 of her brothers.
It was Cucumber Salad.
3 ingredients.
Cucumbers, vinegar, salt.
She was putting the salt in without the lid and about half of cup of salt was dumped in. (Don't know if this was an attempt at humor). The boys were talking about people like white vinegar, apple cider vinegar.
I can not believe this girl is 26 years old and this is all she does? A cooking video, change diapers, babysit, cook meals.
She should of had already graduated college 4 years ago and have an apartment, good level entry job or graduated from art school and have her own small studio.
Jim Bob is responsible for this. At this rate, she will be sewing bridesmaid dresses for Josie.
Golly Gee said... 101
localyocal, I went on TLC to find the promo for you.
I found something that made me sick and want to cry.
Jana Duggar made a cooking video with 4 of her brothers.
It was Cucumber Salad.
3 ingredients.
Cucumbers, vinegar, salt.
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I think I once read that the Duggars are addicted to pickles.
Despite the fact that Michelle used daughters as surrogate mothers, they seem domestically challenged to the point of ineptitude.
Someone should tell Vagina-Canon-In-Training that pickles need sugar to balance the salt and vinegar.
I think this was a win win for TLC. If the article was well received, they could plaster it all over Facebook and roll forward with episodes about this.
If not, they can just not mention it and play coy and uninvolved with it, meanwhile giving serious consideration to where her episodes will fit in in the future, if at all.
Wow, you're able to conduct a developmental and mental health assessment of a child through your television screen while watching a short clip? Amazing skill set!
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No one said that. And there's a heck of a lot more footage out there besides a brief clip.. This filming HAS given us a lot of clues as to his abilities. Those include good comprehension and ability to answer questions clearly and age appropriately, good eye contact, good motor skills, socially and emotionally appropriate behavior.
That's not to say there are not incidents off camera, but it's fair to say this child does not present as a child who needs to be institutionalized. He is a child clearly capable of following social norms.
High Sodium Content. said... 64
You know the good thing about C being where ever he is? Kate cannot interfer or stop the truth from coming out of his mouth about how has been treated or how he feels he has been treated.
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Actually this is what makes me think Collin comes home every weekend. I just don't see Kate breaking all contact with him, not because she loves him, but because she needs to keep him controlled, gagged; she needs to make sure Collin never speaks of the abuse so I imagine she sees him at least once every couple of weeks or every week to remind him him not to tell the strangers the "secrets". Remember it was reported a few years back that the children were all forbiden to speak with teachers and counselors about their home situation or anything unrelated to school work.
I obviously hope I'm wrong but given all I know, this is what I believe things to be like.
Wow, you're able to conduct a developmental and mental health assessment of a child through your television screen while watching a short clip? Amazing skill set!
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You say the same about Milo.
I mean she or he read an article and now she/he thinks she/he knows all.
I can not believe this girl is 26 years old and this is all she does? A cooking video, change diapers, babysit, cook meals.
She should of had already graduated college 4 years ago and have an apartment, good level entry job or graduated from art school and have her own small studio.
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Sad to say GollyGee that there are a lot of women that do just that at that age. Not every woman goes to college and has a career. Many go from their parents home to their marriage home without experiencing anything else. I guess the Dugger girl feels like the show is her career. Sound familiar?
Chef (#106), even more amazing is that the fans can watch hours and hours of footage of TFW being rude and impatient and snotty and downright mean to her children, and somehow extrapolate that she's really a good, kind, warm, sensitive, wonderful mother. Baffling, ain't it?
Sue said... 107
I can not believe this girl is 26 years old and this is all she does? A cooking video, change diapers, babysit, cook meals.
She should of had already graduated college 4 years ago and have an apartment, good level entry job or graduated from art school and have her own small studio.
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Sad to say GollyGee that there are a lot of women that do just that at that age. Not every woman goes to college and has a career. Many go from their parents home to their marriage home without experiencing anything else. I guess the Dugger girl feels like the show is her career. Sound familiar?
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Yup, that's the Duggar family. Girls are raised to believe their sole purpose is to be someone's wife and as many someone's mother as possible. No job, no real education, God forbid traveling if it's not to spread religion.
Personally I could never imagine such an existence.
If you want a worse example(worse because at least the Duggar girls were brainwashed by their parents), take a look at that YT girl, JesssFam(Jessica Skube). She is my age(24 years old) and is now having her 5th child with Baby Daddy #3,no job, barely got her associate's degree(it took her 5 years to do that because she kept taking time off to have more babies) and has only moved out of mom's house a few months ago.
To me, it's sadder when a girl chooses this despite her parents encouraging her to first have some stability in her life(finish college, get a job, etc). She feeds those kids junk(they are all anemic) and has no clue how to discipline them.
One of the non-fans posted this on Twitter and I thinks it's worth seeing again.
http://hollywoodlife.com/2014/02/04/jon-gosselin-custody-battle-kate-gosselin-kids/
RoxyHelen said... 105
Actually this is what makes me think Collin comes home every weekend. I just don't see Kate breaking all contact with him . . .
Do you really think the institution would permit this? If he really is there due to ODD or something similar, they would have to know by now that Kate is a BIG part of his problem. Wouldn't it likely retard progress if he's back with her, unsupervised by a therapist or counsellor, every weekend? I would think it far more likely they would encourage her to visit him at the school, not take him home.
Admin (#103), I have to think Jessa Duggar's pregnancy announcement this week will have the family more firmly entrenched at TLC. The 2nd season of "Counting On" started last week, with Jinger's courtship announcement getting a 1.19 rating. Jinger will likely become pregnant soon after she gets married, and by then Jill may have had her 2nd baby, too. And I still believe there will be a Josh redemption story arc, bringing him back on screen for a Very Special Episode (*cue sad, tinkly piano music*).
In other words, I think TFW will retain her position as TLC's side piece, and nothing more.
Sad but true said... 112
RoxyHelen said... 105
Actually this is what makes me think Collin comes home every weekend. I just don't see Kate breaking all contact with him . . .
Do you really think the institution would permit this? If he really is there due to ODD or something similar, they would have to know by now that Kate is a BIG part of his problem. Wouldn't it likely retard progress if he's back with her, unsupervised by a therapist or counsellor, every weekend? I would think it far more likely they would encourage her to visit him at the school, not take him home.
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I agree with you, it is possible that he is not allowed to come home and she visits him. Either way, my point was/is Kate is keeping in contact with Collin in order to keep him quiet.
The miute Collin speaks out and the therapists report the abuse, there will be no more K+8 and the press will go wild.
Here's an article that actually makes a lot of sense, highlighting how hugely abnormal the kids' childhood has been. Someone's finally making sense:
http://hollywoodlife.com/2016/08/25/collin-gosselin-why-he-was-sent-away-kate-social-challenges-special-needs/
I've been looking for a clip from a documentary where a young boy screams out "help me stop mommy, please help me. Hold me." she used the restraint method to keep her son from hurting himself and breaking things. I haven't found it yet but, if you can handle the sadness and heart breaking situations, these two doc. are incredibly insightful on anger disorders.
MY HEART ACHES FOR COLLIN.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4l5_mBCVJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME2wmFunCjU
Also this school is not in a bubble- knowing Collin was to attend, I imagine they would have found out or already knew about his controversial mother and his 'celebrity' status.
I hope Collin visit on weekends if only to see his brothers and the animals, maybe Forrest.Also Collin was the child who did the most physical work- cleaning the shed, lifting things, caring for chickens etc so Kate probably has a chore list for him waiting each weekend .
njay said... 117
I've been looking for a clip from a documentary where a young boy screams out "help me stop mommy, please help me. Hold me." she used the restraint method to keep her son from hurting himself and breaking things. I haven't found it yet but, if you can handle the sadness and heart breaking situations, these two doc. are incredibly insightful on anger disorders.
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Although we don't C's exact diagnosis, it's always been very clear to me that Kate is the one with a verifiable anger disorder. And maybe what we see from C is learned behavior from her.
Baffling, ain't it?
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Yes. But I was a blind sheep to until. I saw Kate crocodile tears about her purse full of bills.
The sheep are really stupid or they just refuse to see Kate for what she is.
Midnight Madness (#95), Gladys' investment in TFW remains a mystery. But rest assured that the crumbs TFW throws her are savored like a banquet. She is obsessed, and any attention is better than none. And I think she sees each crumb tossed as an "eff you" to those of us who tease her about her crush, and that TFW couldn't care less about her.
As I've said many times before, I'd feel sorry for Gladys if it wasn't for her ability to give as good as she gets. That sweet southern gal persona doesn't fool me anymore: she can be as snotty and snarky as anyone. And worst of all, to me, is her venom towards the father of those 8 children. She actively roots for him to fail.
@RoxyHelen If Collin does speaks out and there will be a big outcry to cancel Kate and TLC does.I got a good laugh at the thought that Milo would make this big conspiracy that the doctor lied in order to not only gain media attention but also is out to make Kate look like a bad mom and then somehow Jon and the Kate haters were involved.
This poor boy. Even Though he is spitting on the staff member, it is the boy I feel bad for. Then to top it off, another boy joins in on the spitting. So sad these disorders. If C can truly get help I say keep him there. I don't believe for one minute they enjoy acting out and if they can learn good coping skills, the better for them. As for Kate, she needs to go to a WARD herself.
I feel the same as I have always felt when Kate would leave them. AT LEAST THEY WERE OUT FROM UNDER HER ABUSE! PERIOD!
Just a question. Did anyone else notice how clingy M was to Kate after the divorce. One specific was when they were at Yellowstone, it was real obvious to me and I remember thinking, "She is going to be just like Kate. She ADORES her, or at least craves her love enough that she will want to be just like her. She has learned well". Her comments are as cold and compassionless as Kate and is learning that this is the way to "no never means no". It's a HUGE love/hate relation that has been nurtured all her life.
Does anyone else remember when they got the pups? M said "I want one that will love just me". I knew then the outcome for M to turn out any other way then she has was impossible.
This is a short clip of a inpatient treatment center and their methods. 2min 41sec. for those who don't want to watch a full doc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6liIQfbQ4s
Just a note on this clip. The other day I was coming out of an office build. and there was a lady restraining a girl. I assumed it was for anger issues. I had my dogs in the car and thought they might help calm her down. Nope! There were four other kids waiting by the car for her to calm down. You would have to have the patience of Job and that is sorely lacking in Kate. I sure hope and pray C is not this bad. I don't know how much more I can take hearing about him. Poor Jon, he must be beside himself. I don't believe for one minute Jon didn't do all he could to get C if he knew the situation was this bad.
This is a different clip. 9min 27sec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hjVSVzF3L4
this is a clip of five tips from supper nanny on how to calm them down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hjVSVzF3L4
The thought of C coming home on weekends and then having to pack his bag and leave again hurts my heart. If he does get to come home occasionally, I imagine he would feel tremendous pressure to
try to act/be "better," so that he can stay at home for good.
I will never forget TFW repeating what he said as a toddler: "Here's your helper boy!" Bless his sweet heart. I hope he gets the help he needs.
If C can truly get help I say keep him there. I don't believe for one minute they enjoy acting out and if they can learn good coping skills, the better for them. As for Kate, she needs to go to a WARD herself.
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A really big concern is Colin's return. Kate will never stop filming, nor will be shrink from the spotlight.
The whole family needs treatment and the whole family must be on board to avoid undoing his progress, because otherwise, Colin will revert to his old behaviors with the chaos in that home, the crew, the filming, pressure of keeping Kate's fame going.
What she did with this People article was throw gas on the fire. The outrageous controversy she has created only invites paparazzi, just as the kids are returning to school.
I think she LOVED the crush of photographers waiting at the bus stop. Sure, she decries how awful it is, but for her, it's life affirming.
Remaining relevant is her raison d'etre. The kids matter because without them, she is nothing and no one.
@jamezvader1194 It would not surprise me in the slightest. I can definitely see it happen.That, or at least something along the lines of #youdontknowthefullstory #hatersgonnahate
#collinprovokedkate
I said it long ago, if/when a kid or more write a tell all book, they will be called liars by Kate's brainwashed fans. They do not care about those kids, they have objectified them as much as Kate has.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/of-mccaughey-septuplets-starting-college-in-hannibal/article_c17c1d50-cd6f-5254-8e33-d67220b4bab6.html
In other news, the McCaughey septuplets made a brief media appearance to announce the 6 are starting college this year, and the 7th is joining the military.
The kids sound like they're anxious to pursue their individuality and be mastering their own destinies.
I admire Bobby for keeping their lives all mediocre and normal. She has given the media very limited access to her HOMs, and they've done the occasional article and appearance to keep the public informed, which is a far cry from the circus that Kate Gosselin thrives on.
Rosie V @RosieVuk 21m21 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 I can't believe this has happened. I'm so sad. I can't watch the show anymore.
I think many former viewers will follow suit. How can you watch the hap-hap-happiest family ever when you know what hell the kids have to endure.
How can you get pleasure out of that?
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I felt your pain through your post. I know. When she was away all those times, I thought at least they are not getting abused by her. Now we know she abused them while she was away because she instructed the nanny's to listen in on phone calls to Jon and no telling what else.
She is freaking insane.
Remember some kind of cake, maybe one year at Christmas, she didn't want the kids to eat it and told the nanny to throw it out. This was the nanny that came out just not to long ago. She didn't throw it out and fed it to the kids.
I am surprised that the kids that were appointed by the Queen didn't tell her. They must of wanted that cake as bad as the others.
Collin is the perfect description of a child destroyed by his controlling mother. I watched his behavior as a 2 year old and saw a strong willed child (probably like Kate was as a baby) but so normal in so many ways. As he grew and his strong will was still there she began to beat it out of him and from then on everything she has done has been to bring about what is going on now with him. There was a kindness that was ignored altogether. When watching him play contentedly with his toys in his own way, i.e. stacking things neatly, she should have realized he had her organizational skills and instead of seeing one of her children that was just like her, she, I believe, began to hate him because he did cause her so much more work. Being an emotionless person, she even ignored his obvious serious pain at the furniture store and did nothing. How any mother could do something so cruel to her children proves over and over again how evil she is. Keep supporting her fans, keep telling her how great she is (Milo) keep defending her abusive behavior. I am now and will forever be on the abused childs side.
The People article has caused quite a spike in Hoffman's sales---40+ copies sold on Amazon since the day the issue came out. As for Kate's book, ummmm, she's sold 3 in the same period.
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That was a disturbing clip. I have read a little bit about Coercive Restraint Therapy if that is what is shown. Most practitioners are against it now and there have been some related deaths and injuries when it's full holding therapy. I also read up on these 'unit' type facilities and the majority said a stay would typically be 3-5 months.
As for Mady being extra close to Kate, I don't remember that. She did seem emotional, almost scared at times but not really different IMO.
Rosie V @RosieVuk 21m21 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 I can't believe this has happened. I'm so sad. I can't watch the show anymore.
I think many former viewers will follow suit. How can you watch the hap-hap-happiest family ever when you know what hell the kids have to endure.
How can you get pleasure out of that?
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Exactly, Tucker's Mom! Plus, putting the kids on display to have their behavior scrutinized, picked apart, and further gossiped about by the viewers. SMH, because I know she and TLC will do it.
As for Mady being extra close to Kate, I don't remember that. She did seem emotional, almost scared at times but not really different IMO.
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I didn't mean close, more like needy close. Watch the Old Faithful ep. and you can see what I mean.
This whole thing with Collin jogged my memory of their trip to Florida(August 2015) and when they did the Escape Room.
When they were shown walking into the Escape Room place, Collin was with the rest of the kids, but yet he was not shown at all during the Escape Room challenge. Even during the boys' couch interview, Joel and Aaden talked about it gingerly, while Collin just sat there being very silent.
He was already being excluded back then. And none of the sheeple ever questioned why Collin didn't participate.
Kate originally mentions Collin having "problems" in the tups 11th birthday episode, which was filmed several months earlier and aired in June 2015.
I also remember the deck party episode,(probably filmed in Sept. or Oct. 2015) where Collin was shown sitting at the table between 2 adults, and also later shown watching his siblings swim in the pool. Showing again that he wasn't allowed to participate in the fun that his siblings enjoyed.
And now the sheeple are commending Kate for "doing what she had to do", but never questioned what was shown in earlier episodes.
So for at least a year, Collin wasn't allowed to participate in the "fun things". He was shown helping Kate stain the picnic table, but I think that was filmed before the deck party and Florida vacation.
It almost seems like that was the last time they showed anything positive about Collin. Like it was a last attempt to show that everything is fine and there's nothing going on with Collin.
And now a year later, we find out the truth that they tried to cover it up and hoped nobody would notice that there was something definitely going on with Collin.
I'm still not sure if TLC knew the story about Collin or knew about Kate's People interview, because Figure 8 is the company that films the show. However, TLC aired those earlier episodes--did they ever question what's going on with Collin or did they not give a damn, as long as they had a filler show ready to air?
Tucker's Mom said... 125
The whole family needs treatment and the whole family must be on board to avoid undoing his progress, because otherwise, Colin will revert to his old behaviors with the chaos in that home, the crew, the filming, pressure of keeping Kate's fame going.
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I agree. Kate is never going to change. She has to be in control, has to be. Kate take the advice of anyone? No way. Not even a therapist. If there is someone going against Kate's way of thinking, they're outta there.
I have my doubts that wherever he is, the staff are not aware of the depth of Kate's need to control. I hope I'm wrong. I hope they're learning everything that's been done to him since babyhood.
I also think she has a mean streak. I keep remembering how she pinched one of the tups on inside of her upper arm when they were in their strollers. She didn't obey, so how about a nice hard pinch in that tender part of her little body. That'll work. I think one of the reasons, besides material for episodes, she agreed to get two puppies was because it would make Collin feel bad, punishment for not letting her "rein him in."
Sad but true said... 131
The People article has caused quite a spike in Hoffman's sales---40+ copies sold on Amazon since the day the issue came out. As for Kate's book, ummmm, she's sold 3 in the same period.
August 28, 2016 at 12:11 PM
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I won't hold my breath that Robert's book (aka Kate's own admission to abusing her children) will get much traction, but it really should.
Colin has been the target of Kate's derision since he was in diapers.
I can understand why Colin didn't do the escape room. They are controlled choas, at best, and at worst, a screaming fest with his sisters; namely Mady.
Kate's been hiding his challenges for a very long time.
Another good thing for Colin getting intensive care is going to be regulating his meds. He has looked gorked out at times and I did wonder if he was way over medicated.
So for at least a year, Collin wasn't allowed to participate in the "fun things". He was shown helping Kate stain the picnic table, but I think that was filmed before the deck party and Florida vacation.
It almost seems like that was the last time they showed anything positive about Collin. Like it was a last attempt to show that everything is fine and there's nothing going on with Collin.
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Wasn't it Colin who tried to help Kate when she was grilling (the pre-prepped and handed to her) bulgogi. I seem to remember he waving him off, like his helping would be more work for her.
Whatever boy it was, I felt really, really bad for him.
njay, I can't find a link for the epi- do you have one?
I also remember on one of the latest ones, the boys did a magic show for the family. How vile all the girls were, shouting insults, boos, and throwing chocolate coins at them. Collin tried so hard and was a taunted and mocked, as were Aaden and Joel. Kate acted like she hoped it would go well, but what can a mere parent do about it?
Kate is a twit, Collin was not allowed to sleep with his brothers in FL either. Remember, Kate said he was staying with her.
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Rosie V @RosieVuk 21m21 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 I can't believe this has happened. I'm so sad. I can't watch the show anymore.
I think many former viewers will follow suit. How can you watch the hap-hap-happiest family ever when you know what hell the kids have to endure.
How can you get pleasure out of that?
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Exactly, Tucker's Mom! Plus, putting the kids on display to have their behavior scrutinized, picked apart, and further gossiped about by the viewers. SMH, because I know she and TLC will do it.
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Not to mention, their classmates at school!
I'm sorry, but what an a-hole. Katie-kins took the "easy way out" (i.e., pretend there's no problem) from his birth until very recently, Milo, and why the hell don't you see that? And all she's EVER done is cater to public opinion by having a pretend reality-TV life.
This woman gives morons a bad name.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 5m5 minutes ago
@LaurieBlue55 @Kateplusmy8 I agree! She didn't take the easy way out to cater to public opinion...her son's life & well being is at stake!
You mean to tell me Colin was not allowed to swim while his siblings all swam? He had to sit and watch?
That is his pool just as much as theirs and more than his mother's. Because the house is for the children, remember, Kate?
This reminds me of the poster that posted the story of her sister not getting an ice cream cone. Colin couldn't participate in swimming. What was he fixing to leave in a bit to go back to where he has been incarcerated?
He couldn't swim with them?
Milo is so totally defending Kate and doesn't give a shit about Collin:
Laurie Blue @LaurieBlue55 · 2h2 hours ago
Laurie Blue Retweeted Radar Online
She needed to do what is best for her son & should be praised for making the hard choice @radar_online @Kateplusmy8
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 17m17 minutes ago
@LaurieBlue55 @Kateplusmy8 I agree! She didn't take the easy way out to cater to public opinion...her son's life & well being is at stake!
If "her's son's life & well being is at stake", why does Milo think it's okay to "out" Collin's problems? She didn't "cater to the court of public opinion"? Isn't that EXACTLY what Kate did by discussing Collin's PRIVATE problems?
I wonder if the reason TLC isn't airing the episodes is because they don't know how to portray Collin prior to his banishment --or the other kids after it. They have focused very heavily on Mady's nastiness over the past couple years, but we haven't seen Collin do much of anything wrong. They have shown Kate ignore a lot of the kids' bad behavior, probably to show that she's mellowed out, but it also shows a lot of ugliness on many of the kids' part. So why single out Collin?
All we have seen so far is that Collin said Hannah's hair was ugly, and he bought Kate a present she didn't like (but that was actually very sweet and sentimental). But Mady--she has talked openly about hating the tups as a group and individually and said many nasty things to her mother. She was never even corrected for that. On one episode she took her hand and pushed one of the younger kids' face and said something nasty. When Kate intervened and said to apologize, she said she was sorry for what she said, but did not apologize for the face-pushing. Yet Collin was lectured forever for saying Hannah's hair was ugly. Why, then, didn't Hannah (or was it Leah?) get an endless lecture for saying "she's nuts" about Alexis? Why was what Collin said so wrong but the same kinds of behaviors from the others is ignored?
What about when Hannah pushed Collin and Alexis was punching him at the place where they played gaga ball? Kate ignored it, but no physical violence from Collin has been shown. Kate mentioned twice that she thought Collin's birthday gift to her was odd, but it was very sweet. So why Collin?
Going forward, TLC has to be very careful. They can't demonize Collin (like they did Jon) because he's just a child. But showing too much nastiness and disrespect on the other kids' part will make viewers wonder why Kate took action against Collin but tolerates bad behavior on the others' part. If she stops being so tolerant, what happens to the "Kate has mellowed" storyline?
There hasn't been enough bad behavior shown from Collin to justify sending him away. And there has been too much bad behavior already shown from the other kids to be ignored by viewers.
So, how is TLC going to portray this family going forward? Will Kate look like a vindictive woman who singled out Collin while allowing her other kids to be brats? Will they all have to act like perfect little angels so questions won't be asked about what Collin did that was so bad? If they cut out all bad behavior--how boring is that? Where's the struggle with 7 perfect kids? What will viewers think about Kate singling out Collin if TLC continue to highlight Mady's nastiness?
So when is the rest of the media tour happening? You *know* that Kate will be packing her bags soon so she can flounce off the NYC with Steve and promote her new show.
Kate understands how to work the media, and this sensationalism at her son's expense gets her attention.
Article on parental alienation syndrome (you know, that figment of our imaginations).
This reads like Kate and some of the kids to a "T". Mady is classic.
http://www.parentalalienation.org/articles/symptoms-parental-alienation.html
Collin's LIFE is at stake, Milo??? I really don't think most learning disabilities threaten one's life.
Is this Milo's way over-dramatizing what is going on with him in order to justify Kate sending I'm away instead of working with him int he family home using Wrap Around or another service provider? Sure sounds like it.
Actually, the easy way out is sending him away, in this case. What's harder is to have to work with all the service providers yourself.
As I've said many times before, I'd feel sorry for Gladys if it wasn't for her ability to give as good as she gets. That sweet southern gal persona doesn't fool me anymore: she can be as snotty and snarky as anyone. And worst of all, to me, is her venom towards the father of those 8 children. She actively roots for him to fail.
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Agreed. Under that Christian, go-to-meetins' woman (or man) there is a sneaky, sniveling backstabber. I wouldn't trust her for all the tea in China!
Kate fits so many of these on the parental alienation list, but in particular:
5. A parent blaming the other parent for financial problems, breaking up the family, changes in lifestyle, or having a girlfriend/boyfriend, etc. (Kate, constantly)
11. When children cannot give reasons for being angry towards a parent or their reasons are very vague without any details. (Mady and Cara)
14. Parents setting up temptations that interfere with the child's visitation. (the puppies, the pool, the animals)
17. When parents physically or psychologically rescue the children when there is no threat to their safety. This practice reinforces in the child's mind the illusion of threat or danger, thereby reinforcing alienation. (the lawsuit)
Stop denying this. Just stop.
Interesting comment from one of the sextuplets:
Another of the kids, Joel McCaughey, said, “We’re finally able to find our own way now, rather than have it paved for us.”
I don't think he meant it in a mean way or a slam on his family, but much of your life must feel paved for you when you're a multiple and especially one whose life is of interest to the public. As the Gosselins grow they are going to feel similar emotions and probably tenfold since their lives are even more regimented for them.
Funny his name is Joel. She also has an Alexis. Ok, Kate, whatever.
Admin (#136), TFW has never missed an opportunity to remind us HARD it is to raise 8 kids. It's everything a "mediocre" mother has to do - times 8! And does she need to remind you she's doing it ALONE? So doesn't it stand to reason that she'd kinda sorta feel relieved to have one child fewer in the mix? One less 10-star meal to make? One less kid to pack a perfect suitcase for? One less whiney child to schlep around on the umpteenth school shopping trip? One less noisy brat to break her chain of thought while she's "working" (read: texting, reading about herself online,
and watching TV)? Not to mention putting a stop
to the myriad issues she admitted a challenging child has brought to her household?
TFW's own complaints prove that she'd just as
soon have C out of the house, and out of her hair. I hate to be cruel, but I honestly don't imagine a lot of sleepless nights involved in
this decision. What I can imagine is TFW saying, he needs to go, and he can come back when and
if he gets better. Now the rest of you 7,
smile pretty for the People cameras.
14. Parents setting up temptations that interfere with the child's visitation. (the puppies, the pool, the animals)
17. When parents physically or psychologically rescue the children when there is no threat to their safety. This practice reinforces in the child's mind the illusion of threat or danger, thereby reinforcing alienation. (the lawsuit)
Stop denying this. Just stop.
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I've thought for years now that the menagerie at home was to keep the kids from wanting to leave the animals, mostly for fear of their care when gone.
Kate also called the cops when Jon had custody at the compound because she didn't like his choice of nanny (and probably knew he was banging her).
Hey, I don't know if anyone remembers me but I used to post here (blimey, YEARS ago). I was brought back with a shock after seeing the Gosselins in the news, and an even bigger shock at realising that they had never really left it. I had been blissfully Gosselin free for ages, thinking, maybe a bit naively, that they'd been left to live their young lives in peace. Or at least as much peace as one can get with Khate as your mother.
Sadly that was very much a head in the sand situation it seems. Reading what I've missed over the past few years, from Jon not seeing four of his kiddos for nearly that entire time and having no idea why, to episodes still being shot and shown, Collin's easily predicted problems and on and on just makes me want to..... UGH! I'm begging to remember why I left.
It's amazing to think that I thought that by now, in 2016
A) Jon would have full custody of a least a few of his kids
B) TLC would have long ago left episodes/seasons behind, showing only biannual specials
C) Khate would be both bigger and faker
D) Steve would be gone
E) The kids, led by Mady, would be obviously running the show and running Khate into the ground.
Layla (#146), your confusion about the rules at the G compound reminds me of this famous quote from George Orwell's "Animal Farm" -- All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. The rules make no sense, and come and go based on TFW's convenience and benefit. And don't forget the anarchy when the kids were toddlers, and she let them fight things out for themselves.
They were given zero tools, because it was easier for TFW to ignore them.
What a maddening bunch of mixed messages those children have received during their formative years. And now think of how hard that must have been for a child like C, who functioned best with order and consistency. Too bad he couldn't get his mom to move out -- that would've been the most beneficial departure for the health of the family.
Maybe after years of abuse, Colin just snapped, came after Kate with an "I wish you were dead"or some threat. And she saw her chance to get rid of the problem child she had to force herself to love. The one that made her life difficult. How much of her abuse can a child be expected to take?
And what a message she sends to anyone else who dare step out of line..."Goodbye,Aunt Jodie...Goodbye, Uncle Kevin... Goodbye Nana Janet...Goodbye, Grandma...Goodbye, Grandpa...Goodbye, Nala...Goodbye, Daddy, Goodbye, Ashley...Goodbye, Colin...if you cross Mommy she makes you disappear."
One of those kids will let the world know how f$#ked up their childhoods were. One of them will stand up for Colin.
And Milo, you are a sick, twisted, dumbass who needs to be institutionalized far more than Colin.
Tamara! There was a nice Tamara here back in the day and a cranky one. You sound like the nice one. :)
This reminds me of a funeral. It's very nice to see all of your faces again, but I'm sorry it's under these circumstances.
E) The kids, led by Mady, would be obviously running the show and running Khate into the ground.
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I think that's pretty much what is happened quite frankly. I think she hides how much they have her over a barrel as best she can, but hints of this sometimes come out. And when one kid came too much between her and her intentions, he was sent away. I wouldn't be at all surprised the real reason he was sent away was because she just can't film him anymore or it's not good for him to be around the crew and stress, and it's too disruptive to try to work around that. All of Kate's choices benefit Kate.
Admin (#158), I'd be happy to bring a covered dish. My virtual tuna casserole is always a crowdpleaser.
And Milo, you are a sick, twisted, dumbass who needs to be institutionalized far more than Colin.
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Other than that, how do you really feel about Milo? ;-)
And Milo, you are a sick, twisted, dumbass who needs to be institutionalized far more than Colin.
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Other than that, how do you really feel about Milo? ;-)
I wouldn't be at all surprised the real reason he was sent away was because she just can't film him anymore or it's not good for him to be around the crew and stress, and it's too disruptive to try to work around that. All of Kate's choices benefit Kate.
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If Colin has been undergoing therapy/treatment, Kate's probably been told that it's not recommended that Colin continue to be filmed and exposed to the public.
I can't imagine a therapist advising filming. There's just too much downside and Colin has a history of freaking out at cameras.
A mandated reporter might have even told Kate that she'd be reported if she didn't follow their recommendations.
Hello Tamara!
I read here for YEARS before I started commenting, and I'm thinking of lots of names we haven't seen in a while: Fidosmommy, PJsmomma, PrairieMary, Dee3, Butterfly, Letsthrowtomatoes, Bearswife...
and the wonderful Auntie Ann. So many more names I can't think of right now, but would be happy to see. Maybe some of you are those posters, but
are just using different names!
Milo..
Shut up already.
Secondly the public would not have an opinion if KATE kept her face off of people Magazine if she would have kept her mouth shut we wouldn't have an opinion.
Kate wanted to public to know she wanted the public to kiss her bottom for doing "the right thing" And you're to dim to realize this.
In the end I bet Maddy will be the one to turn on Kate. Maddy's going to be her mother's undoing fall.
@tabblack: @Kateplusmy8 @people unfollowed after reading the article!!
I think more and more people are feeling this way after reading the article.
Chef (#166), now that M admitted she is ready
to write a memoir, TFW must be shaking in her
gladiator sandals. That kid will probably get
any car she asks for!
FlimsyFlamsy said... 168
Maddy is going to get what she wants. I still think she or one of the girls will Kate mommy down.
Knowing what we know now about what she had to say about Collin in People, I can't get over her absolute joy when she tweeted 'we are on the cover and it's out now'. She was thrilled to pieces. To her she has one less icky boy around and one less set of bedding to launder. I hope she is now changing sheets more frequently than the once every two weeks she mentioned in the past. I never could understand why, with nine beds to change, she didn't change one each day instead of bi-weekly. I'd be willing to bet she sees to it she has freshly laundered scented sheets more frequently than that.
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If Colin has been undergoing therapy/treatment, Kate's probably been told that it's not recommended that Colin continue to be filmed and exposed to the public.
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That's a pretty logical assumption based on what we know. Kate isn't about to break up the six pack plus twins for filming purposes absent being forced to. I think a therapist wouldn't even have to opine about the problems with exploitation to request a shut down with filming. Even assuming being exploited doesn't harm him as Kate insists--just the stress of it alone, the various crew, the inconsistency, the travel, would be enough to justify shutting it down for a young man with special needs. Kate herself said that photoshoot was all day and was tiring, that's not good for a struggling kid either who is better off using that time doing therapeutic exercises or age appropriate play. Any therapist worth their salt would say he needs daily consistency, to be around people he knows, to focus on therapy and services that are in place, and a low stress environment. Filming doesn't work with any of that.
Mady is exactly like her mother and I agree that she is the one to kick her to the curb and give her a run for her money. That girl has so much hate in her for others, especially the younger six that she has to and will explode big time. I wonder what sports car Kate will have to give her for her 16th birthday. Just wait....it is coming.
bm (#170), yes, wasn't that just deplorable? Crowing about the publicity you're garnering for exposing your son's private, painful journey? But
this is the same woman who bragged about the high ratings for her divorce, for crying out loud. How, how, how is she seen as a great mother?
But like many of you, I won't let myself think this is the end for TFW. Once she survived the publishing of the journal, I gave up hope that karma would ever knock on her door.
Admin (#171), you wouldn't even need a therapist to come to the conclusion that filming would be a bad idea for C. If you walked up to someone on the street and told them that a minor child with
diagnosed emotional issues was being forced to work long hours with cameras, lights, and a group of strangers in his private home -- without the supervision of a set teacher, medical advocate, and/or social worker -- who in the world would think it was a sound idea?
My son's public elementary school has 2 Behavior Unit classes staffed with trained professionals. About 1/3 have been diagnosed ODD. All of the parents are offered free counseling and strategy classes on how to help with their kid's needs. Classes are scheduled to at multiple times so working parents can attend. And those parents, no matter what income, background, etc., show up to learn how to help their child. And there are some tough cases that require a school resource officer around at all times. These parents are tired, but they love their kids and will do anything they can to help. It's what a parent does. They don't kick their kid to the curb because they're an inconvenience in the ol money making scheme.I think TLC will lose a lot of viewers that have children with special needs. Those parents tend to be well researched and devoted to their children...and after watching Colin for years won't understand how she could send him away.
Mady is exactly like her mother and I agree that she is the one to kick her to the curb and give her a run for her money. That girl has so much hate in her for others, especially the younger six that she has to and will explode big time. I wonder what sports car Kate will have to give her for her 16th birthday. Just wait....it is coming.
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Foxy, you're on the money with this.
This is Kate's problem, though. If she teaches or at the very least encourages a child's bitterness and hate, just wait. One day they may look at HER and decide hm, you know what, I hate HER.
It's the same stuff with estranging people. You're TEACHING your kids that's an acceptable response to difficulties in relationships. And one day, they may see it as an acceptable response to YOU. (Obviously in rare cases it is the right thing to do, but there's too many people she's cut off here to believe that.)
It's the same stuff with estranging people. You're TEACHING your kids that's an acceptable response to difficulties in relationships. And one day, they may see it as an acceptable response to YOU. (Obviously in rare cases it is the right thing to do, but there's too many people she's cut off here to believe that.)
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I learned a long time ago that you should really take to heart how someone treats people (potential dating partners, to be specific). If they treat people like dirt, one day, that WILL be you.
Make no mistake.
Katykat (#175), thanks for sharing about the special program in your kids' school. Yes, even working parents do their best to take the time needed to address their children's challenges.
But TFW isn't really into those kinds of sacrifices.
TFW is so used to not having to do anything she doesn't want to do, like a petulant child. From passing off her chores to her brother Kevin, to having Jon as her personal whipping boy, to
the 8 little slaves at the ready at home -- not
to mention the steady stream of hired hands --
I think TFW does remarkably little work at all.
Which makes the fans' slavering about her efforts all the more baffling.
@Foxy Yep and i bet like Kate,Mady will alienate her siblings from her life.Maybe not Cara and 1 of the tups but from the way Kate treated her siblings and the way mady treats hers,there's no way someone can tell me Mady gets along with all her siblings.
The last thing a child with challenges needs is a controlling parent. That's the whole point is you can't control so much of this stuff. Control usually comes with a lack of patience, another thing that you really need in helping a child like this.
In her own descriptions of him in her book, she proved she is wholly unable to understand his needs. She actually seems to think his behavior is all about just trying to make HER life difficult. Even in the People article, she quickly launched into how hard this has been on her and the rest of the kids. The service providers have probably marked her down as just as much of an issue, and a barrier to his treatment. That could very well be why they may have supported his removal. I'm not sure she can help herself, she really does think she is suffering the most in this. That is just how she views the world, and I don't think it'll ever change.
She actually seems to think his behavior is all about just trying to make HER life difficult.
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To the point where when she's won her battle of wills with a toddler, she expects an apology.
@Foxy Yep and i bet like Kate,Mady will alienate her siblings from her life.Maybe not Cara and 1 of the tups but from the way Kate treated her siblings and the way mady treats hers,there's no way someone can tell me Mady gets along with all her siblings.
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Do all siblings really ever get along with each other, all of the time?
She never does. She knows exactly what she's doing, and you fell for it.
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It's called "Katespeak," and there seems to be quite a few people who fall for it. Every time.
@Fleecing the Sheeple Im not saying that siblings get along all the time,yes there are times they do fight but Kate cut off her siblings from her life entirely and i wouldn't be shocked if mady does the same as she gets older,maybe not all of them but some.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v0QGQh9GCk
This is a very interesting video about a service provider working in home with a mother treating her children with ODD. You can see how very important it is to try to help a child cope with this behaviors in the family home. You have to tackle what behaviors they are exhibiting in their environment and this is as much about teaching the parent as it is the child. Although I don't agree with using food as a method to compel, otherwise they do a good job of taking this on.
Oh, how I wish someone could send a copy of TFW's journal to the staff at C's facility. It might really help connect some dots about his issues.
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Collin's LIFE is at stake, Milo??? I really don't think most learning disabilities threaten one's life.
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As awful as it sounds, I think there might be a very real possibility that he is a suicide risk. When you've spent your entire life, as he has, trying to please someone who is just constitutionally unable (or unwilling) to be pleased by you, the sense of hopelessness must be overwhelming. Maybe that's what Milo is getting at, in her typically inept fashion.
I was a bit surprised that Kate admitted that she has a son with special needs. She wanted all of the kids to be perfect. Remember how dismayed she was because Aaden needed glasses? She must really be desperate for attention.
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Oh, how I wish someone could send a copy of TFW's journal to the staff at C's facility. It might really help connect some dots about his issues.
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If the place where she sent him is really serious about helping him overcome his problems---and not just getting him to behave according to Kate's wants---then a very quick Google search will bring them to all the background they could ever want. I sincerely hope that was part of their prep.
How do you know he has a learning disability? I don't need or want to know what is going on with the child, but if his special need is mental-health related, it could involve self-harm, suicidal ideation or attempted suicide, so yes, his life could be at stake.
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You missed the point. The point is MILO stated as fact this was to protect her life. She hasn't the foggiest clue whether his life is at stake.
The point is, Milo is spinning this as serious as possible, without really knowing whether one's life is at stake, in order to justify his removal from the home. It's pathetic she would say something so serious just to defend Kate. Pathetic.
Maybe his life is at stake or maybe not, I very much doubt it, but by the way? The vast majority of self-harming children are STILL maintained in the home with services in place.
The point is, Milo is spinning this as serious as possible, without really knowing whether one's life is at stake, in order to justify his removal from the home. It's pathetic she would say something so serious just to defend Kate. Pathetic.
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Wouldn't you think that the last time Milo opened her big mouth in that little tweet fest with Deanna that she would have learned something? She slithered away for a time after that. We all thought perhaps she had her fingers slapped for that one, but here she goes again.
I remember TFW talking about getting nasty emails, and that her policy was just to "Delete! Delete!" anything that she didn't agree with. I didn't realize then that it was her practice with human beings, too. And I still think that's the root of this absurdly consuming hatred towards Jon, so many years after the divorce: she can never completely "delete" him from his children's lives, and it positively kills her. Even if she never utters the man's name again in public, the intensity of the anger in M's interview about him tells me all I need to know about how her father is spoken about at home. Who says TFW isn't a good teacher?
As has been said many times, if Jon was any sort of a legitimate danger to the safety of his children, he wouldn't be allowed any unsupervised visitation. So what exactly is this horrifying flaw that prevents the other kids from seeing him?
Too bad Kate Coyne had her head too far up TFW's behind to think of a logical question like that.
So with 81K followers (cough, cough) on her Instagram account you'd think that she'd get more than 2.3k "likes" and at least break 25 comments.
I'm really confused about timeline or maybe it's about cause and effect. We know for sure that Colin stopped going to LCDS. We don't know the exact reason. But then we jump to C having a therapist who would have said he shouldn't film. We're still thinking like loving parents. Why would C have a therapist? Kate has never, ever shown any inclination to get therapy or any kind of help for her kids. I would expect her to just hire a minder to keep him out of the way. She could enrol him in the computer based version of school and keep him in the basement. Instead we get these weird clues (that may or may not be true). C had his own room, a different schedule. We can see he missed parts of filming.
Are we assuming that whatever happened at LCDS that he is now being followed by CPS? They could force Kate to get a therapist or caregiver or different school I suppose. Or are we assuming Figure 8 or TLC required Kate to take action? Or maybe Steve? I'm not really surprised she sent C away. I'm surprised she did anything in between LCDS and sending C away.
I also disagree with those who say C has to come home so Kate can control him. It really doesn't matter any more what he says. C can't talk to the public on tv. The therapists or other workers at the facility can't tell us anything; it's not allowed. And Kate can deny anything by saying he has problems and lies. Kate doesn't care at all about C now I'm sure.
This reminds me of a funeral. It's very nice to see all of your faces again, but I'm sorry it's under these circumstances.
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Yes, when I read about the People story the first blog I thought to read was this one, and I'm thankful that it is still here and still banging the drum.
I'm immensely sad about Collin and concerned for all the other kids.
I have been brought to tears by the stories from some posters about their own traumatic experiences.
And I take comfort from the insight and wisdom of the regulars here.
So it is in some small way like a funeral. I'm glad to see some I haven't seen in a while, sad for the circumstances and appreciative of the stories and compassion shown.
She could enrol him in the computer based version of school and keep him in the basement. Instead we get these weird clues (that may or may not be true). C had his own room, a different schedule. We can see he missed parts of filming.
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The separate bedroom thing was a weird revelation and I think a revealing mistake on Kate's part. Why would Colin be in a separate room unless he was disruptive or dangerous to the other boys, or, frighteningly, he was kept in a separate place to control and isolate him.
IIRC, there are allegations that Kate has locked kids in their bedroom (one of the girls who couldn't get to the bathroom at night).
So with 81K followers (cough, cough) on her Instagram account you'd think that she'd get more than 2.3k "likes" and at least break 25 comments.
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True, unless all of the other comments were negative and she deleted them? lol
The doggie tales continue. IG is curious. Photo posted 4 minutes ago, already has 100 hearts and no comments. I can't figure out how things are counted over there.
kateplusmy8'Please??' 'No. Play with your own chicken. That one is MINE!' #Shoka #Mak #DogConversations
Carole (197), on the previous photo (of Nanuq in the car), I could swear it had upwards on 85 comments at one point and then suddenly early yesterday the number went to 23. I have heard IG takes quick action to take down negative comments, but if that's true, she must be spending half her day on the phone to them, lol. Oh well, guess she has to have something to do.
Did the People article say C was moved to his own room? Was there an extra room available in the house? Or was he moved to the garage apartment TFW stuck Jon in? Or could she have converted
one of the outbuildings to a room for him? Or
did she make the entire story up out of whole cloth to make it sound like she made the decision to get rid of him after trying alternate solutions?
Has Gladys commented yet on the new insta post? She'll be excited to help control the narrative. #Father&Son#K8LovesMales#FurryFamily
Well Milo, IMO, has gone too far this time. She's posted a picture of Collin on her instagram account and is sending a shout out to him with encouraging words about how he's getting the help he needs to succeed in life - with love from her family to theirs. Maybe someone can cut and paste the link as I can't do it from my iPad.
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