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Her epiphany: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/why-i-decided-to-stop-writing-about-my-children/
And here's the September 2016 People article feature Kate and kids, sans Collin.
Saturday, August 20, 2016
"I don’t want to mar my children’s glory and subvert their beginnings for my so-called art" and Kate and kids in People magazine, minus Collin
Popular "Mommy blogger" and writer Elizabeth Bastos has packed up shop after realizing (with the help of one concerned grandfather) her posts were intruding on her children's right to privacy.
Her epiphany: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/why-i-decided-to-stop-writing-about-my-children/
And here's the September 2016 People article feature Kate and kids, sans Collin.
Her epiphany: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/why-i-decided-to-stop-writing-about-my-children/
And here's the September 2016 People article feature Kate and kids, sans Collin.
2057 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 1401 – 1600 of 2057 Newer› Newest»Collin always wanted to help Mommy. We have seen scenes of him cleaning up those little Tikes tables at age 2. Was it his sense of order or a desire to help ? He later was the kid who stuck around for her projects, said he wanted to hug her, did extra chores she asked of him, and seemd like a quiet well-behaved helpful boy. Arranging paper and pencils in 'rainbow order' for he Mother's Day cards makes me think he has a need to be orderly or in control of something, but he always seemed to want to please his mother even if she treated him harshly.
he is doing something to make me nuts—like calling me a ‘boy’ repeatedly when he knows that I am a girl. Little things like that just to annoy!!!! I
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She can't be serious can she?
Kate he is a child your child. What is your problem?
I wonder if having 6 babies at once can give a woman undisguised postpartum-depression.
I wonder if Kate has ever had this.Maybe if she did it might explain her actions and inability to connect with her children.
OT...did anyone catch the documentary "Holy Hell"
on CNN this week? It'll be on again twice today. It's about a cult, and its insane, narcissistic leader. I thought it was chilling, and absolutely fascinating, and I highly recommend it. And I'd love to hear anyone else's thoughts about it.
he is doing something to make me nuts—like calling me a ‘boy’ repeatedly when he knows that I am a girl. Little things like that just to annoy!!!! I
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The problem is Kate. It should not upset her this much that her child calls her a boy. Maybe he was teasing her. Maybe he was poking fun at her short hair. Maybe he got a kick out of her reaction. Maybe he did it for attention. Ignore him, don't react until he stops.
It's also entirely possible he is confused. Some young children although they understand the difference between the genders, mix them up, interchanging boy for girl and he for her. It's unclear how old he was at the time but if he were only 3 and 4, that can't be ruled out.
Naturally she assumes he's only doing it to piss her off. That might not be the case at all.
Flimsy, I set the DVD for 7:00 this evening. I will watch it. You recommended it and I am sure I will find it interesting. I get the best TV and book suggestions from you ladies.
Flimsy, Saw Holy Hell and found it interesting and bizarre! Definitely one to watch.
Dmasy (#6), I definitely think you'll find it worth your time. As soon as it was over, I had to watch "I Love Lucy" as a "chaser," because it was so disturbing! One of the survivors of the cult said something about how narcissists seek out highly co-dependent people, because who else will give them the non-stop praise and adoration they need. Sound familiar? But, seriously, the guy in this story makes TFW seem like Rebecca of Sunnybrook Farm.
he is doing something to make me nuts—like calling me a ‘boy’ repeatedly when he knows that I am a girl. Little things like that just to annoy!!!! I
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She sounds like a child here.
I'd expect one of the other kids to say this and NOT a mother WTF..
Naturally she assumes he's only doing it to piss her off. That might not be the case at all.
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Narcissism or Immaturity which one do you think?
Chef (#9), yes, TFW's tone is so childish! She sounds like some teenage babysitter, and not a parent. She was already the mother of two for
4 years when the tups were born, so I'm not sure why there was such a lack of insight into child rearing.
I wonder if having 6 babies at once can give a woman undisguised postpartum-depression.
I wonder if Kate has ever had this.Maybe if she did it might explain her actions and inability to connect with her children.
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Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but Kate has said that she was too busy to get PPD. Yup, she willed it away (much like sea sickness mind over matter), unlike sad saps like Brooke Shields, who has done an AMAZING job of advocating for women suffering from this syndrome.
So, FU Kate, and FU Tom Cruise.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 4
OT...did anyone catch the documentary "Holy Hell"
on CNN this week? It'll be on again twice today. It's about a cult, and its insane, narcissistic leader. I thought it was chilling, and absolutely fascinating, and I highly recommend it. And I'd love to hear anyone else's thoughts about it.
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Will set my dvr. Thanks for the reminder. I saw commercials and it piqued my interest.
One of the survivors of the cult said something about how narcissists seek out highly co-dependent people, because who else will give them the non-stop praise and adoration they need. Sound familiar?
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Have you watched "Aquarius"? It's loosely based on Charles Manson and that point in time. Note how he calls the female lead "Cherry".
The actor who plays Manson is amazing, and I love Duchovny (Californication, omg).
chefsummer #Leh said... 3
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I wonder if having 6 babies at once can give a woman undisguised postpartum-depression. . . .
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Don't you remember Kate's infamous Twitter comment on PPD? Someone asked her about it and she said something to the effect of "With 6 babies I didn't have TIME for PPD," making it sound like it was something a mother would have a choice about. She caught a lot of flack for that, IIRC, lol. If she did/does have PPD, it's just one among many mental disorders.
I'm not sure why there was such a lack of insight into child rearing.
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Maybe it was because it was poor Collin saying it.
Tucker's Mom said... 12
Ah! my mistake.
I should have known I mean she de-ages by herself so why not cure all other aliments herself.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 11
. . . She was already the mother of two for
4 years when the tups were born, so I'm not sure why there was such a lack of insight into child rearing.
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She was way too busy plotting her fame-and-fortune trajectory. The obsession with money started long before the tups even popped out.
Anyone who has this week's issue of People....are there any letters to the editor about the Gosselin cover/article last week?
chefsummer #Leh said... 10
Naturally she assumes he's only doing it to piss her off. That might not be the case at all.
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Narcissism or Immaturity which one do you think?
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Stupidity...no doubt in my mind
Calling her a "boy" was considered an insult to TFW. We heard the boys say "you're a boy" to each other when they were arguing. I can't imagine what she's done to those poor kids.
Naturally she assumes he's only doing it to piss her off. That might not be the case at all.
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Around that age, toddlers start to develop their sense of humor. I remember when my niece was about two-ish, she starting 'teasing' - calling me by a different first name, doing the "you're a boy" thing etc & I would do the standard pretend shocked response - which was the whole point. She thought she was hilarious - and frankly so did I. It wasn't naughty - it was silly & funny & part of our relationship.
What a terrible burden to have your mother consider attempts at communication to be a sign of disobedience.
chefsummer #Leh said... 17
Tucker's Mom said... 12
Ah! my mistake.
I should have known I mean she de-ages by herself so why not cure all other aliments herself.
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Why not?!
Good funny!
Ah, end of summer, and we have cool bands from Hermine blowing through. Delightful!
Took the bichon to the farmers market this morning. Had a couple beignets at a restaurant's fund raiser for the Louisianna flood victims.
Italian plums are in!!
Making, as you say in Kate's neck of the woods, "kuchen", today.
In one of the last episodes, didn't C say something about wishing to hug his mom but he wasn't able to, or allowed to, or something like that? Does anyone recall that?
All Kate would say to those little children was that boys were dirty, icky, gross, not as smart as the girls who learned potty training earlier, the girls' special trips were worthy of both parents attending etc. Of course 'boy' was an insult in that house. And then there was Joel who said "I'm Daddy's girl."
FlimsyFlamsy (4)
Holy Hell~ It's about a cult, and its insane narcissistic leader. I thought it was chilling...
Watching 'Holy Hell' gave me a headache. Shook my head throughout the entire film.
Chilling for sure!
The leader 'Michel' was in Rosemarys Baby. Stage name was Jamie Gomez,what a creepy guy!
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Yes,I remember on the tups' couch interview the question was " Is Mady the best hugger in the house?" Everyone said emphatically NO!!! When asked if they hug their mom, the kids said things like yes,before school or her going away and Collin said something like he wished he could hug her more. I can't recall the exact words but it was sad.
Formerly Duped said... 27
localyocul said... 24
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Yes,I remember on the tups' couch interview the question was " Is Mady the best hugger in the house?" Everyone said emphatically NO!!! When asked if they hug their mom, the kids said things like yes,before school or her going away and Collin said something like he wished he could hug her more. I can't recall the exact words but it was sad.
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What did she do, make a point NOT to hug him?
If this crisis doesn't bring her down, nothing will!!!
Around that age, toddlers start to develop their sense of humor. I remember when my niece was about two-ish, she starting 'teasing' - calling me by a different first name, doing the "you're a boy" thing etc & I would do the standard pretend shocked response - which was the whole point. She thought she was hilarious - and frankly so did I. It wasn't naughty - it was silly & funny & part of our relationship.
What a terrible burden to have your mother consider attempts at communication to be a sign of disobedience.
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Makes sense. Sounds like normal child development as they figure out humor and other social interactions. I think her reacting to that in a very negative way and even discouraging it could have a serious affect on a child's normal development.
I remember TFW actually telling that story on camera. It was back when I still liked her,
because she sounded kind of cute and funny when
she imitated one of them saying, "Mommy, you
a BOY!" She didn't reveal what she did in the journal: that it really pissed her off.
Rainbirdie, you brought back a memory.
When my son was a little guy with a limited vocabulary, he made word "jokes". He would say, "You a tree!" and giggle. "You a cookie!" "You a truck!" There was always emphasis on the last word. My overly dramatic response was, always "No, I am a mommy!"
I would love to have one of those toddler days to relive again. Of course, Kate would say that I only had one child so I could afford to enjoy the moment.
She missed so much and has probably warped those children.
Dmsay (#130), what a dear memory about your little boy. Your son knew those answers were funny because they were silly and unexpected and incongruous. Adults laugh at the same kinds
of jokes, only we make them more layered. But
I find that all you have to do with a toddler
is trade any expected noun for "pizza," or, if you're feeling naughty, "poop," and they will crack up!
Collin said he would like to hug his mom but she doesn't let him.
They cut it out of the repeat episode.
For her to respond in such a horrific way to Colin for just calling her a boy in fun, what was he barely 2 or 3??? Her wrath will be quick and swift.
This behavior from her just shows how truly mentally ill she really is. She had no business, no business whatsoever being a birth mother and mother. NOT. AT. ALL.
CC said... 33
Collin said he would like to hug his mom but she doesn't let him.
They cut it out of the repeat episode.
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Isn't TLC great? They are helping Kate to gaslight her children (and the audience!). These kids will never know if their memories are reliable or not. So much for having all these wonderful "memories" preserved on film.
The new In Touch Mag is out (Sept. 12th issue). The Duggars (Michelle & Jim Bob) are on the cover & are the "main" story but inside there is a two page "newsflash" article -- "Kate's Lies Exposed".
It has three recent pics of Jon with four of his kids (you know which ones!) showing him to be a good interactive, fun Dad. Kate is called greedy, fame-hungry, mommy dearest, etc. Me thinks the tables turned on her. lol
Per In Touch Mag -- "Her behavior concerning Collin has long been troubling." Per Robert's book ..... "she repeatedly spanked him and pulled his hair as a young boy".
A "source" says that "She wouldn't let him eat with his siblings and forced him to sleep alone in a windowless room in the basement. A therapist who came to the home witnessed Collin was being locked in the basement in a windowless room and she turned Kate in to Children & Youth Services. But when they came to the home for their official visit, Kate wouldn't allow them in. CYS warned Kate they would be back with a search warrant and that gave her two weeks to prepare the home."
The "source" further said that CYS has investigated six claims of abuse in the last two years, all deemed unsubstantiated.
More from "In Touch Mag": Jon said that "I'm a good Dad". He told the Mag that he's tired of being painted as a bad father.
"I love all my children and only want the best for them. I make sure all my kids know that I am there for them unconditionally, and I try to make sure it's a house of love. I also make sure they all get alone time with me. I feel that's so important, so they can open up and be themselves."
@Patsy Thats actually good considering intouch last year wrote an article about why they supported Kate.I forget what the reason was but i think it was the episode where Kate 1st announce Collin having issues that they then supported Kate.Me thinks this thing with trying to get media attention by announcing Collin being away and everyone seeing Kate's tweet about how happy she was being on the cover was the last straw.
@Jamesvader1194 -- I hope more & more "sources" come out once & for all and tell the truth. Better late than never and it can absolutely make a difference for ALL the kids even now. Her attempt to rewrite history is indeed crumbling.
I would love to have one of those toddler days to relive again. Of course, Kate would say that I only had one child so I could afford to enjoy the moment.
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I'm with you on that one. Just one day to have my little ones run to me when I picked them up at the after-school program and I'd swing them around while the teachers laughed. Just one day more! Sigh. It all goes by much too fast.
If this crisis doesn't bring her down, nothing will!!!
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Nothing will. Things have backfired on her before, but she's Phoenix Rising.
Making, as you say in Kate's neck of the woods, "kuchen", today.
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Is there a standing invitation for us locals? If so, what time is supper?
Patsy said... 37
Per In Touch Mag -- "Her behavior concerning Collin has long been troubling." Per Robert's book ..... "she repeatedly spanked him and pulled his hair as a young boy".
A "source" says that "She wouldn't let him eat with his siblings and forced him to sleep alone in a windowless room in the basement. A therapist who came to the home witnessed Collin was being locked in the basement in a windowless room and she turned Kate in to Children & Youth Services.
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This certainly goes along with what Hannah said to her dad, about Kate being mean to Collin. Thanks for posting that, Patsy.
Does CYS have to notify the other parent when they get called? Or when they make a report, should he automatically get a cc of it?
I was thinking about Milo this afternoon. If I were Kate and there were an obsessive stalker policing my social media, I'd be concerned, but it would also scare the beejebus out of me. Milo lusts after Kate, speaks for her, actually believes she has a relationship with her and her family (all symptoms of Celebrity Worship in the final stage), but she admits she has no desire to meet her. Why not? I wish a psychologist would weigh in on this, because I find this both fascinating and curious. I would think that such a person would want to kiss the ground on which she walks.
Patsy said...37
But when they came to the home for their official visit, Kate wouldn't allow them in. CYS warned Kate they would be back with a search warrant and that gave her two weeks to prepare the home."
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Admin, when CPS went to the Duggars house and wanted to get in to check, Jim Bob refused to let them in. The social worker called 911 and told them and the police came and he was able to come in.
Then when she says they can't come in they say, well, we are coming back with a search warrant and it was two weeks before they came back. WHY didn't they just call and get a search warrant over the phone or call the police.
MY GOODNESS, the brainwashing she must of gave Colin and those kids until they came back. If a social worker SAW that little boy not eating with his brothers and sisters and is forced to stay and sleep in a windowless room and they try to come in and she stops them?
Then it is always unsubstantiated?
This is so freaking unbelievable! That teflon bitch!
She is torturing those kids! Seems like CPS, they treat her with kid gloves!
If a social worker SAW that little boy not eating with his brothers and sisters and is forced to stay and sleep in a windowless room and they try to come in and she stops them?
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I don't believe that not allowing a child to eat with his brothers and sisters, or sleeping in a room without windows is child abuse in the eyes of protective services.
Yes, it's horrible, and yes, she is a monster mom, and yes, she has singled out Collin as her whipping boy from the beginning, but protective services has policies and guidelines that they follow. I don't think that they will remove a child from a home because he isn't having dinner with his brothers and sisters.
Maybe I wasn't too far off the mark when I said that she kept him in a cage in the basement.... Sadly.
Think that she'd tell people that C was 'away' when in reality he was locked in the basement?
Another source (from "In Touch Mag again; sorry) says that "The control Kate has on these kids is never - ending. They live in fear."
These kids are no longer babies -- SIX 12 year olds AND TWO 15 year olds could/should be able to greatly influence their outcome in the home now. They certainly have been told their "rights" as a child from numerous sources -- school, CPS workers, therapist, etc. AND know how & who to report an abusive parent/situation to.
Why aren't they BANDING TOGETHER now to help their siblings/themselves. Any dire consequences Kate does/tries to do to them would get her & keep her in hot water/under close scrutiny which would protect the kids. What am I missing here? This is not one kid trying to do this on her/his own. Are they so brainwashed & frightened still at this point that they are only watching out for themselves?
Why aren't they BANDING TOGETHER now to help their siblings/themselves. Any dire consequences Kate does/tries to do to them would get her & keep her in hot water/under close scrutiny which would protect the kids. What am I missing here? This is not one kid trying to do this on her/his own.
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They're too young. They're just too young. A kid is not emotionally capable of truly fighting back against their parent until they are 16, 17, even 18 years old. They'll get there, but unfortunately it's going to be awhile. It does not surprise me there have been multiple referrals to CPS. It also does not surprise me they have been evaluated out. If they can't connect her behavior to drugs or mental illness, it's unlikely they're going to do much.
Admin (#50), your comment brings me back to that "Holy Hell" CNN film I mentioned earlier. The people in this cult were reasonably intelligent adults who were brainwashed by the leader, to the point where they just accepted abusive behavior and wouldn't dream of trying to fight it. Of course once they got out and got their bearings, they were deeply ashamed about letting themselves, as well as their dear friends in the cult, accept such horrible treatment.
So think about the poor G kids, and the clannish, secretive environment in which they've been raised. TFW is their world, because she's constructed their lives that way. But it won't always be that way, and when things fall apart,
it will be ugly. Count on it.
Patsy said... 37
Per In Touch Mag -- "Her behavior concerning Collin has long been troubling." Per Robert's book ..... "she repeatedly spanked him and pulled his hair as a young boy".
A "source" says that "She wouldn't let him eat with his siblings and forced him to sleep alone in a windowless room in the basement. A therapist who came to the home witnessed Collin was being locked in the basement in a windowless room and she turned Kate in to Children & Youth Services. But when they came to the home for their official visit, Kate wouldn't allow them in. CYS warned Kate they would be back with a search warrant and that gave her two weeks to prepare the home."
The "source" further said that CYS has investigated six claims of abuse in the last two years, all deemed unsubstantiated.
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I feel sick. Remember Hannah didn't want to go home because of the way "mommy treats Collin"? I really really feel sick. And CYF should have gotten a warrant THAT DAY not two weeks later. That's bullshit.
And if it sounds far fetched, a lot of times there is one child who is treated horribly while the others are treated normally. Read "a boy named it" (or something like that)
And her reaction to his birthday present showed this.
Those things about Colin are so sad. I remember those special moments when my nieces were toddlers. I wasn't the mom but I still got some of it. Sure toddlers take energy and patience. But those heart touching moments are incredible. And you know they won't need help dressing forever or whatever. It sounds like Colin acted like a normal toddler. His big problem was his mother hated him.
I don't blame the children for not banding together. They are all trying to survive, each in their own way. They don't have the emotional maturity to see Kate for what she is. They don't know what a narcissist is, they probably don't really know it's different in other families. And Kate has worked on turning them against each other. Girls vs boys, twins vs tups, etc. Everything is a competition for the crumbs of Kate's attention.
Patsy, Do you have a link to the In Touch issue that has the information on CYS visiting Kate and being denied entry? Thanks!
Jane said... 56
Patsy, Do you have a link to the In Touch issue that has the information on CYS visiting Kate and being denied entry? Thanks!
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Unfortunately, unlike People, InTouch does not post many little articles online that give up the entire story. I think you have to buy the issue to get all the info.
TLC should surely be held accountable for this. There is NO f---ing way that they could not know, after all the years, just how badly she has abused Collin. If they put her back on the air after this latest round of incredibly awful revelations, they should be banned by the FCC. At a minimum, I hope all of this info figures into a major lawsuit one day that Collin (+/- his siblings) files against the network and Kate for allowing his mentally ill mother to pretend to be normal for a TV show and to use and abuse him in pursuit of that show. They have created a monster and should be held accountable for that.
I find the younger kids to be extremely immature for 12 year olds. The kids in my neighborhood are babysitting at that age, cutting lawns, going on bike rides in a group, movies, pizza things like that. These kids seem to be on a much younger level. I can't see them babysitting like the kids in my neighborhood do. Wait until they get there freedom. They won't know what to do because they are not prepared. Maybe the kids that see Jon will be better off than the other 2. Cara will be history, Mady thinks she will be a star and maybe some of the younger ones will leave and never come back.
These kids are no longer babies -- SIX 12 year olds AND TWO 15 year olds could/should be able to greatly influence their outcome in the home now. They certainly have been told their "rights" as a child from numerous sources -- school, CPS workers, therapist, etc. AND know how & who to report an abusive parent/situation to.
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True, they are no longer babies, but neither are they mature enough to "band together." Think about it. Kate said that she's in charge and that's never going to change. She put the fear of God in them, and I would imagine that at age 12, they have no idea what to do or how to do it. They have to live with her and they most likely are scared to death to call for an uprising or rebellion or exercise whatever rights anyone may tell them that they have. They are too young and have been under her control for their entire lives. I think that they know that there would be hell to pay if they did anything to change the dictatorship in that house.
http://www.celebdirtylaundry.com/2016/kate-gosselin-open-marriage-lied-to-jon-gosselin-about-seeing-other-people-while-still-married/
"Of course, this shouldn’t surprise anyone who knows how cold and calculating Kate Gosselin has been throughout the years, especially when it comes to exposing her family in the celebrity spotlight. Kate Gosselin threw her ex-husband Jon Gosselin under the bus several times, forced her twin daughters Mady and Cara to speak in what could best be described as an awkward interview with ‘Good Morning America’ several years ago and even outed her son Collin Gosselin by telling ‘People Magazine’ that he has special needs that can best be taken care of if he’s at a center away from home that can give him the help he needs."
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 43m43 minutes ago
I'm so sick of the #NamelessInsideSource who 4the sake of $$ sells whatever the gossip mongering public wants to hear about > @Kateplusmy8
But it's ok for your queen to sell her son's dignity and privacy right? Right Milo?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m2 minutes ago
Mistakes in our past do not define us forever! Life is a learn as you go process! Let's encourage & support each other! @Kateplusmy8
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Mistakes? Those "mistakes" likely cost C his mental health. They weren't mistakes, they were cruel abuse and the new allegations weren't in the long past....
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 43m43 minutes ago
I'm so sick of the #NamelessInsideSource who 4the sake of $$ sells whatever the gossip mongering public wants to hear about > @Kateplusmy8
Well, Milo, I bet there are people who are sick and tired of your lust for Kate, claiming that you have a relationship with her and knowing what goes on in her life when, in fact, you never met her. Works both ways.
My niece is now three and when I "try" to tell her what to do..She tells me with a serious face/tone. "Don't Tell Me What To DO lil girl.
Should I be offended like Kate and tell her I'm not a lil girl?
Tucker's Mom said... 23
I lived in Louisiana for a while be for Katrina and I loved it..It so sad to see/hear about the floods.
More entries from her own words in her diary of greed, selfishness and abuse
We met with Doug and we went over what we were to talk about. He basically wanted me to say what I liked about Sam’s Club from a mom’s point of view. He was very gald to have me he said and I was glad to be there as well and help them. But I also wanted to see how this was going to help my family. Jen told me prior to the start that she had my gift and that it was very exciting…. And then told me that it was a gift card for $750. I was very grateful but my initial reaction inside was anger that that was all.
We then moved on to the mall. We headed right to ‘Stir Crazy’ and ate lunch. It was such a neat place! I let Jon pick my meal because he always picks the right stuff!!!! Especially at an Asian place! The girls chose with my help. Cara had shrimp and Mady chose soup with noodles! Kinda strange choices but they ate them! I got a good picture of Mady eating with chopsticks. We took pics of all of us at the table. The funniest things were Hannah eating from chopsticks that Dr G was feeding her from! He was feeding her popcorn that I had brought! And the other funny thing was… after we had all been eating for awhile, I realized that Collin, who was sitting at the end of the table between Cara and Mady, had no plate of food!!!!! He said nothing! That was so funny! He ate two plates of his rice, chicken and broccoli in no time and didn’t say one word!
After lunch, we headed to the carousel. We took pics in front of it. Then we went to get the kids on…it was $2 per child!!!!!! So Lauren and I decided to sent the girls only. When I headed back toward Dr G, (with the six) he said ‘What happened?’ I told hom how much it cost and he said I had to send them. Lauren came over and she said ‘what should we do honey?’ and he said ‘Are you kidding? I waste more money on my daughter than that in a days time!’ Before I could dig my wallet out, he handed Lauren the money and sent us off. It bothered me a lot but I know they wouldn’t do it if they didn’t want to!!! They are so sweet—throughout the day, Lauren kept announcing that they have ‘officially adopted us!!!’
Mistakes? Those "mistakes" likely cost C his mental health. They weren't mistakes, they were cruel abuse and the new allegations weren't in the long past....
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Is she (or he) admitting that Kate's journal contained her own words and that she did abuse her son but just chalks it up as a mistake that everyone makes?
To what mistakes is she referring? Marrying Jon? Giving a shout-out to Milo on national television? That was a big one that sent Milo into worship frenzy.
One learns from mistakes, Milo, but Kate keeps making the same ones over and over again. There is no excuse for that kind of stupidity.
Some more:
Tuesday, August 23, 2006 Today we had water fun! We ate breakfast—banana pancakes, and then we went outside and played in the pool all day til lunch. We went in and dried off the kids and their mud and rediapered. I told Jamie that it’s no wonder that I don’t do this by myself. It’s so hard!!!!!
I hope C is at a place that treats him well, with respect and love.
We met with Doug and we went over what we were to talk about. He basically wanted me to say what I liked about Sam’s Club from a mom’s point of view. He was very gald to have me he said and I was glad to be there as well and help them. But I also wanted to see how this was going to help my family. Jen told me prior to the start that she had my gift and that it was very exciting…. And then told me that it was a gift card for $750. I was very grateful but my initial reaction inside was anger that that was all.
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Putting aside how greedy this is, it's also unprofessional. If you're doing a promotion for someone, you should have a contract and know exactly who much payment you will receive. You don't just accept whatever gift card they hand you. That should be agreed on before anything.
Amateur hour, and stupidity. I don't think she got really good at negotiating this stuff until she brought a manager or whatever on board.
Gladys, I have an inside tip that there's actually a named source for some of these stories! And it seems the freak is not only selling stories, but PICTURES of that poor little Special Needs Child
whose privacy seems to concern you so. Even worse, rumor has it that she's actually related
to the child -- talk about an invasion of privacy!
Anyway, if you have any issues with this named source, you ought to look her up, and give her
a piece of your mind! C'mon, girl, really fix
her wagon! Her name is Katie Irene Gosselin.
#PatheticParent#IAMAHypocrite#PotMeetKettle
And this:
Friday, October 20, 2006 Today was a mad day!!!!!! I was really relieved that there was really nothing on the calendar besides the usual craziness! So we did the usual stuff: breakfast after the diaper changes and then we played in the basement and then lunch and then I put them all in their cribs and got the girls off to school and did my usual cleanup and ate lunch while watching the cooking channel and even got to sleep for a few minutes. The awful part came after nap…..
I went up to get them at 3:30 as usual, Hannah and Leah were still sleeping so I let them sleep! I got the other four and we went downstairs to wait for the school bus!
When I went back up at 4:30 the girls were still sleeping but I decided to get them anyway…. I went over to Leah and I couldn’t believe my eyes!!!!! She was asleep with poop from head to toe and all over her crib!!!!!! It was mashed into the bottoms of both feet and on her sheet, blankets, a book in her crib—some was even flung to the edge of Alexis’ crib!!!!! I was instantly angry and woke her up with my angry voice!!!!! I put her in the bath tub and stood her in an inch of water to soak her feet and showered her! The poor little thing was shaking wit h coldness or fear or something! I cleaned her up and then I cleaned her crib up! All this happened AFTER the other four had gotten into the tissue box on Grandma’s desk AGAIN (did it yesterday too and I had to spank all SIX of them and put them in the corner together while Luke was here) and Alexis had gotten into the hiner wipes in the bathroom and tried to flush the toilet while she was there! In order to do this, she had sat her juicecup on the toilet lid!!!!!!!!!
As soon as I had this cleaned up (leah’s mess) I discovered that I didn’t know where Alexis was again and when I called her she came running into the room soaking and dripping wet…. She had made a pool of water on the kitchen floor and was dripping wet because she was playing in the water spout on the freezer door!!!!! I had had enough…. I put her in her crib til Jon got home and told him her could go and get the monster and feed her dinner! What an exhausting day!!!!!
Now I am sitting here with no energy left and I must go and clean up the dining room and kitchen and do more laundry and then pack for tomorrow—we are going to the pumpkin patch and a corn maze! And of course this is one of our episodes!!!!!!
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 69
We met with Doug and we went over what we were to talk about. He basically wanted me to say what I liked about Sam’s Club from a mom’s point of view. He was very gald to have me he said and I was glad to be there as well and help them. But I also wanted to see how this was going to help my family. Jen told me prior to the start that she had my gift and that it was very exciting…. And then told me that it was a gift card for $750. I was very grateful but my initial reaction inside was anger that that was all.
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Putting aside how greedy this is, it's also unprofessional. If you're doing a promotion for someone, you should have a contract and know exactly who much payment you will receive. You don't just accept whatever gift card they hand you. That should be agreed on before anything.
Amateur hour, and stupidity. I don't think she got really good at negotiating this stuff until she brought a manager or whatever on board.
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That must be the episode they filmed at Sam's club. Just like now, she got gift cards for when they are filming. It's all comped. And I'll take $750 any day. Brat!
And the next paragraph must have been Dr Glassman. Lauren is Mrs. Glassman. And of course if she couldn't afford all, she let the girls go on the ride but not the boys.
Wowser (#65), thanks for those journal passages.
So TFW found it "so funny" that she forgot to put a plate of food in front of her toddler? When your needs are repeatedly unmet, you may just shut down and find it easier not to need anything.
Friday, October 20, 2006 Today was a mad day!!!!!! I was really relieved that there was really nothing on the calendar besides the usual craziness! So we did the usual stuff: breakfast after the diaper changes and then we played in the basement and then lunch and then I put them all in their cribs and got the girls off to school and did my usual cleanup and ate lunch while watching the cooking channel and even got to sleep for a few minutes. The awful part came after nap…..
I went up to get them at 3:30 as usual, Hannah and Leah were still sleeping so I let them sleep! I got the other four and we went downstairs to wait for the school bus!
When I went back up at 4:30 the girls were still sleeping but I decided to get them anyway…. I went over to Leah and I couldn’t believe my eyes!!!!! She was asleep with poop from head to toe and all over her crib!!!!!! It was mashed into the bottoms of both feet and on her sheet, blankets, a book in her crib—some was even flung to the edge of Alexis’ crib!!!!! I was instantly angry and woke her up with my angry voice!!!!! I put her in the bath tub and stood her in an inch of water to soak her feet and showered her! The poor little thing was shaking wit h coldness or fear or something! I cleaned her up and then I cleaned her crib up! All this happened AFTER the other four had gotten into the tissue box on Grandma’s desk AGAIN (did it yesterday too and I had to spank all SIX of them and put them in the corner together while Luke was here) and Alexis had gotten into the hiner wipes in the bathroom and tried to flush the toilet while she was there! In order to do this, she had sat her juicecup on the toilet lid!!!!!!!!!
As soon as I had this cleaned up (leah’s mess) I discovered that I didn’t know where Alexis was again and when I called her she came running into the room soaking and dripping wet…. She had made a pool of water on the kitchen floor and was dripping wet because she was playing in the water spout on the freezer door!!!!! I had had enough…. I put her in her crib til Jon got home and told him her could go and get the monster and feed her dinner! What an exhausting day!!!!!
Now I am sitting here with no energy left and I must go and clean up the dining room and kitchen and do more laundry and then pack for tomorrow—we are going to the pumpkin patch and a corn maze! And of course this is one of our episodes!!!!!!
Bye for now!
@Rainbowsandunicorns 66 I love it when the fans contradict themselves.1ST they claim that the journals was stolen and modified.Then they say"well maybe it did happen but because it was long ago i forgive Kate."The ironic part is that not only do some of them continue to stalk this one hater(not saying who)because of what she did in the past even though the hater admitted they were wrong for doing it but when Jon went on Steve Harvey,they were sharing very old articles to steve about stuff Jon did in the past.
I let the kids play for the first time in the water table that had beans in it instead…. Collin decided to pour the beans all over the floor while I was inside peeling potatoes, so the girls told me and I sent all the offenders inside. Well Collin didn’t like that I sent him in and when I was out in the garage, I heard three large bangs…I went inside and three highchairs were on the floor literally. I was instantly so SO angry, that I grabbed him and spanked him as hard as I could and thought I may seriously injure him so I sent him to his crib…. And whipped him into it very hard! I for the first time thought I may really lose it and am glad that I just let him in his crib til Jon came home! I have never felt that I may really seriously injure a child but today was that day!
I don’t know what it is about Collin! He is usually kind and caring and nice and tender but when his temper flairs…. Watch out! I don’t like that he doesn’t know how to handle his frustration and anger! I didn’t even get a chance to have him apologize to me because I had to drop everything and take Alexis to the doctor!
Wednesday, May 16 2007 Today I think I crossed the line. With the kids. All was sorta fine up til naptime. During naptime, Alexis and Joel trashed their room TWICE and were spanked both times….they had to stay in their beds for a long time and when I allowed them to come down with everyone else…and FIVE minutes later they were into the m &ms (potty training rewards) with Collin and I really REALLY lost it! I pulled Collin up by the hair and I spanked them so hard!!! I love them so much but I was so very angry with them! I put them back in their beds for their safety and I have apologized many many times but I still feel very very guilty!!! I love them and I saw my dad in myself today and that really scares me!!!!! Lord I am begging you to help me be a loving caring kind and slow to anger mommy. Please stop me somehow from hurting my kids and help me to be slow to anger!!!!
That afternoon, I sut up a bazillion strawberries as I have been every day and after nap, Alexis was in the laundry room and announced that she had pooped….so in between making dinner (cabbage rolls) and dessert (fresh strawberry cobbler) I went to wipe her and when she stood up, I was aghast when I discovered FOUR PERFECTLY ROUND bullseyes on her hiney!!!!! I immediately thought ‘lymes disease!’ And in a panic, called Sandy Frantz (we had just been talking on the phone) and we both did some internet research and didn’t know what to think!!!! Just as all this was happening, I heard some gleeful laughing and giggling in the laundry room (and I might add, that by this point exhausted didn’t even describe my state!!!) which is usually NOT a good thing!!! I followed my ears and discovered that Alexis and Aaden were splashing and wearing oxiclean water from my soaking buckets!!! There was all but an inch of water on the floor and Aaden was wearing it in his hair and down his face….and it is STRONG oxiclean water!!!! I lost it! I absolutely melted down!!!! I started cleaning it up and called jon to tell him ALL of the news and sobbed so hard that he couldn’t understand me. I told him in so many words that I felt like I may hurt his children etc and so on. Fortunately, I know to send them to their beds when they have been naughty so that they are out of my sight and then I know that they are safe!!!! So they were in their beds and I was sobbing and cleaning up the floor when I decided to lay down on the towels and continue to cry. I was sobbing ‘please somebody help me…please wont somebody help me’ when I heard this little voice say ‘mommy I will help you!’. It was little Leah and that melted my heart!!! She had been standing there watching my melt down and to hear her say that was so very dear!!!! She and Hannah then offered their help and I appreciated their support if nothing else!!!
That evening, Aaden had a few more potty accidents which caused me to finally put him back into diapers (which about two to three weeks into it I hated to do but I just can’t take the million accidents a day!). when Jon got home he had the nerve to lie to me about buying lunch in Philly that day! I KNEW he was lying, his eyes were as big as saucers!!! But he insisted that he ‘didn’t have lunch’ when really he had put it on the credit card!!!! That was the absolute end to the most horrible day in history!!!! Why am I so unloved that he has to continually lie to me? Am I that stupid? Is he that character less? Evidently he cares more about his OWN fear or whatever that lying is okay! Does he really think that I would never EVER find out? Just be honest weak boy!!!!! Some life lesson he is teaching his kids! Great we will have a house full of lying kids….. that makes me completely sick!!!
Tuesday, July 17, 2007 When I came up from nap, I found a site that only a burglar should make!!!! The one tall dresser was toppled, lying on its’ face. The lamp was scattered, the light bulb shattered with shards of glass everywhere. In addition to that, there was a two foot long and one foot high section of the wall that was peeled down to the brown part (into) the drywall!!!! Those pieces were strewn everywhere in the room. Then, the 'locked' box of lotions and potions was opened and on the floor with the contents smeared everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you like this day? This all happened while I was downstairs listening on the baby monitor thinking 'oh well, if they aren't going to sleep, at least they are playing nicely.'
Amazingly, no one was cut on the light bulb glass and the dresser didn't land on anyone!!!!! And they came down from ‘nap’ and acted like nothing had happened!!!! What nerve!
I am so exhausted, I don't even have energy to clean the kitchen!!!!! (I called Carla- who is helping me this summer
The only way she couldn't have heard the destruction to the furniture & room (with the help of a baby monitor no less!) is if she was liquored up & sound asleep while they were caged in their room. Although she probably even then did hear some racket upstairs but just was too lazy to even care to check it out to make sure they were safe & ok.
The ironic part is that not only do some of them continue to stalk this one hater(not saying who)because of what she did in the past even though the hater admitted they were wrong for doing it
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"They" were wrong for doing it? More than one person? I'm confused. Who is "they?"
One learns from mistakes, Milo, but Kate keeps making the same ones over and over again. There is no excuse for that kind of stupidity.
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A mistake is turning right when you should have turned left and you get lost.
How in the world could anyone, even obsessive Gladys, call exploitation, abuse and treating your son as an outcast a mistake?
She's damn lucky that dresser didn't fall on one of them. An IKEA dresser fell on a toddler near here a couple years ago leading to a recall. TGWs kid(s) could have been killed
Amazingly, no one was cut on the light bulb glass and the dresser didn't land on anyone!!!!! And they came down from ‘nap’ and acted like nothing had happened!!!! What nerve!
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Yes, those 2 year olds have SOME NERVE.
She really does think everything they do is designed to piss her off. That has to be narcissism.
The kids were being beat repeatedly for just exploring their world. They were also repeatedly left alone in their cribs as punishment.
They also sound unsupervised a lot of the time, so of course they're getting into stuff. What do you expect to happen? Where the hell was she when they were getting into water, poop, toilets, fridges, tissues? There's no reason multiples needs to be this difficult. I think at the end of the day she's actually very disorganized. Having babies on the loose in all corners of the house is not an organized house or parent. Her violent reaction to six babies just responding to their environment like any baby would had to have done permanent damage.
I never ever was angry at my daughter as a toddler. Even when "naughty" it was just amusing and endearing. Even when she shoved a tax bill into a spot we couldn't get it out of (long before online billing came around), or had a temper tantrum, or refused to go to sleep...I can't understand getting angry with her.
ANd what is with not childproofing? Why put a box of tissues right back where they got into them the day before? Or laundry water in reach? (was the water in buckets? They could have drowned!). We joked around that the taller our kid got, the higher up everything went. Up out of reach. Oh except the bottom kitchen drawer which was "her drawer" filled with spatulas and spoons and cups she could play with.
TFW made her own problems.
Agree, she made her own problems. The laundry water should have been left up high or in a locked room. The tissues should have been put out of reach. You can turn off the freezer and water spouts on the fridge until the kid is older if you've got a kid getting into that. In short, baby proof!
Also her comment that she knows that when they are in their beds and out of her sight they are safe, is just chilling. She meant safe FROM HER and her wrath when she gets angry with them.
Babies and toddlers should never be left unattended unless the room is baby proof.
No baby or toddler should ever be given access to a kitchen unsupervised. She should have had a baby gate up. She had the peninsula counter and could have had a baby gate right across that opening. Same with a bathroom.
And a laundry room?!? A toddler can climb on an upside down laundry basket and access detergent or bleach. Or crawl into a dryer or washing machine. Why couldn't she lock the door? They sell childproof knob locks.
They pulled down a dresser!?! And she didn't hear it?
It's unbelievable that those children weren't seriously hurt or killed. Either by her anger or her negligence.
And all that complaining about not having time yet she's sitting there typing pages and pages of her rants in her journal. I love that it was made public. Very well deserved.
TFW on Ellen:
My yardstick is my kids. They can pull this up forever. I don't want them to see anything that's negative that came out of my mouth.
She also said that she was on 30 weeks of bedrest eeking out every minute for my little kids. There is nothing I would do to put them in danger.
My focus is THEM. My focus is not the paparazzi, it's not about what trip I can go on or what show I can be on and what I can do as a result of this. It's my job. It's my paycheck. So, this is what I do.
Ok. It is documented that she had the babies at barely 30 weeks.
So is she saying that as soon as she concieved, she was put on bedrest?
Also, she contradicted herself when she said that it's not about what trip, what show. It's my job, my paycheck, this is what I do.
She lies, rewrites history. She's nuts!
The Gosselins 10 years later and going to college!
https://youtu.be/ztgO814qZvA
I watched the interview she did with Ellen when Ellen was stunned about all of the magazine covers she was on. Remember, Ellen had them in the 2 stacks sitting beside her?
Just listening to her when she says, my kids are my yardstick. UGH!
My yardstick is my kids. They can pull this up forever. I don't want them to see anything that's negative that came out of my mouth.
She also said that she was on 30 weeks of bed rest eeking out every minute for my little kids. There is nothing I would do to put them in danger.
My focus is THEM. My focus is not the paparazzi, it's not about what trip I can go on or what show I can be on and what I can do as a result of this. It's my job. It's my paycheck. So, this is what I do.
Ok. It is documented that she had the babies at barely 30 weeks.
So is she saying that as soon as she conceived, she was put on bed rest?
Also, she contradicted herself when she said that it's not about what trip, what show. It's my job, my paycheck, this is what I do.
She lies, rewrites history. She's nuts!
They pulled down a dresser!?! And she didn't hear it?
It's unbelievable that those children weren't seriously hurt or killed. Either by her anger or her negligence.
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What really got me was that Kate didn't think "OMG, my negligence could have killed my child!". Nope, Kate's negligence allowed very dangerous situations to occur, and she got pissed at her little kids for being little kids.
Admin 86....exactly...chilling. She had to protect them from herself and yet she gets mad at a toddler because "I don't like that he doesn't know how to control his frustration and anger"..what the hell Kate! You are an adult and can't control your anger and frustration but you are expecting a toddler to!!! Also her line about not having time for him to apologize to HER! It's NO WONDER Collin has special needs...she destroyed him!
Wowser (#92), those passages are so disturbing. Did she expect C to provide her with an itemized list of what he'd damaged, with the replacement costs provided, and a check? Along with an apology note, vowing he'd do better in the future?
So the abuse wasn't a bad day, or a bad week. It was an ongoing situation that was so awful that TFW kept them away from her for their own safety.
Let that idea sink in for a second, and you'll be amazed that only one of the 8 children is suffering with behavioral challenges.
FLmom said... 19
Anyone who has this week's issue of People....are there any letters to the editor about the Gosselin cover/article last week?
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There were 3 responses printed:
"It's nice to see the children grown up. I wish them the best." - Jo via people.com
"Go Kate! I think she's doing a great job. Being the mother of just one child is hard and definitely requires a degree of organization. Being the mother-and now the single mother-of eight takes a special person and a really organized and determined woman. I think she's made the best decisions for her family to ensure their stability and financial security." - Denise Watkins Royersford, Pa.
"I grew up watching the Gosselin family on television, and while I appreciated the article about them, I found many of Kate's comments extremely disheartening. If she truly wants to protect her son's privacy, she should refrain from pursuing opportunities where she and her children are put on display." - Ethel Seymour via e-mail
FlimsyFlamsy said... 93
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Let that idea sink in for a second, and you'll be amazed that only one of the 8 children is suffering with behavioral challenges.
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Oh I don't think it's only the one. Mady certainly should be in some sort of therapy if she isn't. And I think there are definite signs of depression in some of the others.
Q (#94), so 2 positive comments and one negative one. Why do I doubt that represents the actual ratio between the ones they received? But considering how far up TFW's rear People is, I'm surprised they even printed that negative one.
Mady will more than likely repeat the cycle of her mother and continue her pattern (both she and Kate at this point) of being rude, critical, angry outbursts when not getting her way, narcissistic and dismissive.
Cara will probably retreat and become some kind of humanitarian....I think she's quiet and reflective and can't wait to get the hell out of dodge. She's already stated that she's going to college far far away. Some of the tups will probably pair off and make their way. Collin, sadly and probably fortunately, is better off separated and surrounded by stable strangers than in that hell hole of a home.
How do you not hear a dresser falling?
Patsy said... 38
More from "In Touch Mag": Jon said that "I'm a good Dad". He told the Mag that he's tired of being painted as a bad father.
"I love all my children and only want the best for them. I make sure all my kids know that I am there for them unconditionally, and I try to make sure it's a house of love. I also make sure they all get alone time with me. I feel that's so important, so they can open up and be themselves."
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I'll take "Things That Kate Gosselin Has Never Said" for 800, Alex.
The lady from Royersford, PA's comment is stomach turning. Did she not READ the article?
Is she that blind??
I quickly mapped quest how far she lives from TFW. Only 37 miles.
She must live right outside of the ground zero dislike of all things Gosselin. The lying, the cheating, the abuse, the taking advantage of area churches, THE VOLUNTEERS, the cash flow, the gift cards, on and on and on!
When you're a mother you develop supersonic hearing. you even wake up seconds before your baby does.Kate managed not to hear the breaking of glass, furniture toppling, destruction of the nursery, Leah being injured to a state of significant bleeding, the kids running around after climbing out of cribs- wouldn't you guess that might happen with 4 hour naps? I don't think she had a baby monitor- just believed the kids should stay in those cribs until she released them no matter what. I guess she also thought Joel should stay in the laundry room with the washers and dryers on and she would not need worry about aspirating on vomit or having a febrile seizure.
Tucker's Mom (#99), ain't it the truth. TFW
only likes one on one time with her kids when:
a) it's with one of her girls
b) there's a camera crew to capture it
(which, by definition, no longer makes it
one on one time)
July 2007
After naptime Kate went into the kid’s room and found a tall dresser had been knocked over, a lamp knocked down with it’s bulb shattered, leaving shards of glass everywhere, a two foot by one foot section of the wall was peeled down to the inside of the drywall leaving those pieces thrown everywhere in the room. The locked box of lotions was opened and all over the floor and smeared everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kate said this had all happened while she was downstairs listening on the baby monitor and thinking the kids were playing nicely. Anybody who has ever used baby monitors knows that they are so sensitive you can hear a baby breathing. That’s kind of the point of them.
So, Kate was downstairs listening to her children through the baby monitor, and she did nothing about what must have sounded like World War III upstairs. How could anyone hear a dresser being toppled and a light bulb shattering and think “they are playing nicely”?
Hoffman, Robert. KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD - THE RISE AND FALL OF A REALITY TV QUEEN (p. 193). Kindle Edition.
Also Kate sounded so entitled, probably crying to Carla "Poor me, the nursery is demolished and I can't continue with my plans to go out this evening without help..." Carla and her husband came and babysat I gather, plus restored the nursery back to its normal state minus a hole in drywall. To have that hole happen, those kids were left to their own toddler devices for a LONG time
photoshopfun @photoshopfunnie 2m2 minutes ago
@DonutsForCollin @ConcernedChick @MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 CYS had right for warrant right then&call the police! Are they afraid of her?
I'm betting she had her lawyer on the phone when they rang at the gate; they probably didn't even get down the driveway when they paid their "unannounced" call.
Could it be Kate gave the People interview to control the narrative about Collin but the truth is she got caught mistreating him and that's why TLC has backed away from airing her shows? What's this info about Collin being denied eating with his siblings and forced to live in a windowless bedroom? For goodness sake, was she treating him like an animal?? Was she forced to send him away or face consequences? Wow, if this were the case and TLC is covering this up, she and the network are finished.
TLC stinks said... 106
Could it be Kate gave the People interview to control the narrative about Collin but the truth is she got caught mistreating him and that's why TLC has backed away from airing her shows? What's this info about Collin being denied eating with his siblings and forced to live in a windowless bedroom? For goodness sake, was she treating him like an animal?? Was she forced to send him away or face consequences? Wow, if this were the case and TLC is covering this up, she and the network are finished.
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But wouldn't Jon be given priority of custody over a foster home or institution?
It would be great if People got played though.
TLC stinks (#106), yes, I also feel there are details missing here. The 10-anniversary special was schedule to air in April, and it is now September, and there's still no official air date? And TFW claims they've been filming new stuff, but the old episodes are still in the can?
TFW was TLC's fair-haired girl for a long time, but seems to have fallen many notches in their esteem. The Duggars survived a sibling molestation scandal, yet TFW's mug hasn't appeared on screen in ages. Something bigger is going on that we don't know about.
Collin and Aaden continue to try my patience as usual. It is as if they set out to do exactly what I have just asked them not to immediately after I tell them not to!
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I was exactly like this at Collin and Aaden's age. I would be told "do not" and I'd wait for mom to leave the room and go right ahead. You know what my mom didn't do in response: beat the sh*t out of me. How any of her fans can justify such treatment in respone to TYPICAL toddler behaviour is beyond me.
As for the control issue, it always struck me how the G kids ate for example. How Kate puts food on each of their plates and sets it in front of them. At 2-4 years ok but beyond that? I have never witnessed a child of 5 or more(including myself) being treated as such. Short of being in a restaurant, the food is placed on the table and the kid puts in his plate whatever they want, however much they want. Remember when Jon said the kids had to tell Kate when they got snacks or water? For me, that is unheard of, I could always go get myself stuff without having the report to my parents.
Other things that come to mind:
-eating lunch at school in a particular order
-telling when they go in the fenced in backyard or garrage
-not being able to choose clothes from 6 onward
-eating a piece of candy at a 4th of july parade
I'm sure other people remember more stuff from the show. It's no wonder the kids haven't banded together and fought back yet, it's hard to do that when someone has that level of control.
Take a second and ponder this: when Jon comes to pick up the children, all Collin would have to do is run down the driveway, to the gate, as fast as he can and yell: "Daddy take me too!!!" and Jon can legally take him. How much control does Kate need to have to prevent Collin from doing this simple thing, if he wishes to see his dad? Because I absolutely doubt she is physically restraining him. Mind control is enough.
Commenting on her Instagram about the new dogs, she says: "They are eating more than 6 cups of food/day! At 12+ cups day, I am going through huge bags of puppy food like mad!"
Grifting again? It worked with toilet tissue - I think she mentioned they used 10 rolls a day and was rewarded with coupons.
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The Duggars survived a sibling molestation scandal
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TLC and Duggar supporters can use the argument that Josh was a 'child' and didn't know better re: the sibling molestation as long as you ignore his later actions with Ashley Madison. Even the 'blanket training', which could be considered abusive, could be argued as a form of discipline and it is short-lived.
The difference is that Kate is an adult and should have known better, should have sought professional help when she got so overwhelmed, and the abuse, in one form or another, continues to this day. If it came out that Ma or Pa Duggar was abusing one of the little Duggarettes, one would hope they would also be toast.
Life in the Konpound since the People article, and the lack of positive feedback, must be hell. But I'm sure Jon and the kid's teachers are remaining vigilant.
TLC stinks said... 106
... Was she forced to send him away or face consequences? Wow, if this were the case and TLC is covering this up, she and the network are finished.
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Can't you see her telling TLC, if I'm going down I'm taking you with me? After they're done with her, she'll probably lead the lawsuits her kids will be filing against them: "The pressure put on me by TLC made me a bad mommy. Waah waah waah."
As for the control issue, it always struck me how the G kids ate for example. How Kate puts food on each of their plates and sets it in front of them. At 2-4 years ok but beyond that? I have never witnessed a child of 5 or more(including myself) being treated as such. Short of being in a restaurant, the food is placed on the table and the kid puts in his plate whatever they want, however much they want. Remember when Jon said the kids had to tell Kate when they got snacks or water? For me, that is unheard of, I could always go get myself stuff without having the report to my parents.
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I get that putting food into serving bowls and platters makes more dirty dishes when you're feeding 8 kids, but the cafeteria-style of serving where the kids don't even serve themselves is ridiculous. Kate was cutting pancakes up for 10-year olds, ffs!
It's no wonder they eat like wolves in public, chewing with open mouths and spitting out food.
Then of course, there's Kate making idiot faces when her children eat something she doesn't like. "Ewwww, lobster!!!!". Grow the f up!
Anonymous said... 110
Commenting on her Instagram about the new dogs, she says: "They are eating more than 6 cups of food/day! At 12+ cups day, I am going through huge bags of puppy food like mad!"
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OMG, it makes my head explode to see this woman continue to bitch and complain about paying for necessities like food. Just wait until your dog tears a ligament or gets diagnosed with a chronic condition.
DH and I joke that we personally funded the renovation of our vets' office and should have a wing named after us!
We'll see what dog food company takes the bait and sends Kate free dog food.
bm (#110), if Gladys is the faithful servant I think she is, she'll publicly ask TFW what brand she uses, so fans can go ahead and send some to her coupon clippin, piecin-and-patchin self.
Guess what? You get to 2 puppies from a large breed dog and (gasp!) you have to feed them!
Guess what? You have babies and you have to (gasp!) bathe and diaper and feed and interact with them!
She should have stuffed animals and Cabbage Patch dolls. I hear they don't require anything but space.
It is hopeless. We are helpless. She puts all her "stuff" out there. Some of it is so ugly. She admits cruelty to children and is still gloating from a magazine cover. She lies and is not challenged with facts.
Nothing. No consequences.
My outrage wilts into sadness.
Tucker's Mom said... 114
OMG, it makes my head explode to see this woman continue to bitch and complain about paying for necessities like food.
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Remember when she bitched about Collin's apetite on the show? She was saying he was going to eat her out of house and home and as far as I remember the clip TLC used to exemplify that was that of a barbecue at Beth(?) 's house. So basically outside of his house, away from the rationed food, Collin would try to eat a lot it seems. Poor child was probably trying to have some control and even in that clip Kate refused to let him put two burgers or hot dogs or whatever on his plate. I remember thinking: "Ffs Kate just let him have two fucking burgers on his plate, even if he ends up not eating both, he has 7 sibs, you'll find another one to give it too". Jesus.
You know, controlling food so strictly is one way to give a kid an eating disorder.
There were 3 responses printed:
"It's nice to see the children grown up. I wish them the best." - Jo via people.com
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Why do I feel like there was a lot more to Jo's comment, and that was just the tail end of it, the BUT I wish them the best. Lol, nice one, People.
Tucker's mom, I agree. TFW needs to "grow up." The Teflon is still working for the woman. Difficult for educated, kind people to understand. Most of us watched a few episodes in the beginning until we could not tolerate TFW's behavior. The kids were darling, sweet little ones. She made it all so much more difficult by her poor behavior towards them. Oh, she had her favorites, and sadly Colin was not one of them. Does anyone else just wonder where Jon is in this latest development? By the way, out of our ten grandchildren, two of our grandsons have issues. They are loved in their homes. Never sent away and they are thriving. So many questions re: latest Gosselin fiasco. Makes a person wonder. Yes, we have a right to wonder. TFW has placed herself and family in the public eye! Still expecting the public to support her and family through reality television and magazine covers. Of course we have a right to question. I could have never appeared on magazine cover minus one of my eight children. A mother would be cold and callous to do it. Fans or no fans, cold and callous.
RoxyHelen (#118), I bet it wouldn't cross TFW's mind in a million years that a boy could have an eating disorder. But I agree with everything you said.
Who remembers A being punished when she asked for a bagel? Another warm and wonderful parenting moment.
She should have stuffed animals and Cabbage Patch dolls. I hear they don't require anything but space.
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Dmasy, Comment of the Day!
I can see Jon now at the gate to pick up the 4 and then all of a sudden, a little boy darts past the side of the house, onto the driveway and is running for his life!
He is screaming, Daddy, I LOVE YOU!!
TAKE ME WITH YOU!!
Start at the then all of a sudden part with the narrator's voice on Forensic Files.
As soon as Colin bolts down that driveway and gets to Jon, I can see Jon bending down like he did for Hannah in the picture when she is running to Jon with her arms wide open, big beautiful smile on her face at the bus stop.
You NEVER will see that happen with that horrible excuse for a mother.
Why in the world did she get two more puppies anyway? Dogs are perpetual toddlers. You know, the age that makes her nuttier
DMasy, ITA with your emotional post. There are just no words for how she gets what she wants every single time. Child Abuse should have no statute of limitations for punishment.
To be honest, getting Collin away from his mother may be for the best. Knowing how Kate wants the "8" filming, I believe she is controlling the narrative. It could be it was not her decision to send Collin away, but was forced upon her because we know she and TLC want ALL 8 filming. She wants her fans to believe she made the decision to do what is best for Collin. Getting him out of that household and not filming could be Jon's doing for all we know. Or not. I just wish the best for Collin.
GollyGee : I was just about to say the same thing!
Dmasy said....
She should have stuffed animals and Cabbage Patch dolls. I hear they don't require anything but space.
True and well- said!
It's unbelievable that she got angry with a young toddler for pooping during a 4 hour nap. Every mom has gone to the crib at some point and seen poop everywhere. You sigh, you might cry, you clean it up. But to be angry at the child is insane. Did she scream at the mothers in labor if they lost control? I wonder who will help Kate when she's an old woman who needs Depends and help with eating.
The eating portions is like everything else with child rearing. You have a bit of a rough time while they are learning how to fill their plates. They might take too much. They might spill things. But after a while things get easier because you can just put dinner on the table and everyone knows what to do. Kate didn't want to go through that rough phase so she gave herself more work for longer. I worry about when the boys hit puberty. They get a much larger appetite. Offering two grapes and a cracker isn't going to do it. I hope she doesn't starve them.
Tuesday, September 5, 2006 Today I was officially a horrible mommy. I failed all the way! I was absolutely awful to Collin who was awful to me! He does things just to irritate me! I told him at one point to sit in the corner (one of a million times) and he disregarded me and threw the one gate on the floor! I am too rough with him and the girls see that-- I feel so guilty that I treated him like that that I will set out tomorrow to be a better mommy!
I need to pray for my relationship with Collin… I can’t explain it. I love him so much but I don’t understand him. His frustration is unexplained and I don’t know what he wants a lot of times… he just starts shrieking and I tend to ignore it a lot. He is such a sweet boy and so cute and smart. But I just don’t understand him!!!! Lord please help me to understand Collin and help me to only feel love when he is near!!!! Hold my frustration with him and help me to feel only love!!!!! Help me to be a loving mother who is slow to wrath and quick to love!!!! Please help tomorrow to be a better day for all and help me to take time and play with my kids! Help all of us to benefit! Amen.
On Sunday, at the picnic, Collin was handing me his snack cup (tack cup)and I told him to put it in the red bag. He saw the red bag and stood over my shoulder and in his cute voice said ‘in the red bag mommy?’ Beth and I both melted! I squooshed him! He was just trying to please me the best he could!
Wednesday, September 20, 2006 Today I was officially a horrible mother! I yelled all day and said things that I regret! I think my kids think I am a terrible witch! I feel like I am too! I just get so tired of saying the same things over and over again! Like at the table ‘ SIT DOWN’ a million times a day and they completely ignore me! Ugh!
I need to pray for my relationship with Collin… I can’t explain it. I love him so much but I don’t understand him. His frustration is unexplained and I don’t know what he wants a lot of times… he just starts shrieking and I tend to ignore it a lot. He is such a sweet boy and so cute and smart. But I just don’t understand him!!!! Lord please help me to understand Collin and help me to only feel love when he is near!!!! Hold my frustration with him and help me to feel only love!!!!! Help me to be a loving mother who is slow to wrath and quick to love!!!! Please help tomorrow to be a better day for all and help me to take time and play with my kids! Help all of us to benefit! Amen.
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Kate is describing a child on the spectrum and AFAIK, he was never seen or treated, and she just acted like Aaden's glasses were the most awful ailment.
How many years did Kate and TLC cover up the fact that Colin had challenges? How many years did Kate lie and say ALL the kids were doing amazing and at the head of the class?
Colin's "fluid diagnosis" has been an inconvenient truth for most of his life.
The sheep think Kate's going to be some kind of advocate, with her celeb status. Fact is, she ignored Colin's problems.
Yeah, what does 'fluid' diagnosis mean? She could have just said a diagnosis we wish to keep private.
Or say nothing at all!
Fact is, she ignored Colin's problems.
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Your post makes me think that if Collin had problems this young, back when J and K were still together, I'd say both of them ignored Collin. Jon quit his job when the tups were around 3 and 1/2, he did nothing to help either. After they split, he might have tried to help but Kate had all the power and it was all too little, too late.
Also, no way Jon didn't know how Kate was treating the kds(at least to some extent), in the diary Kate mentions calling Jon and telling him all about it and he sat by and did nothing about that as well. What's more, I'm pretty sure he spanked the kids too(just probably not with the viciousness Kate did).
I don't remember who here said this last week but I think both parents failed Collin and his siblings. I agree that Jon is the better parent(by far) but I do find his enabling during marriage and passivness afterwards inexcusable.
Tucker's Mom (#134), TFW never sought professional treatment because she was utterly clueless to
the fact that C had a problem beyond his control. She said in another entry, "He does things just
to irritate me!" Perhaps if she was more of a hands-on parent instead of a zookeeper or drill sergeant, she might have been able to gather more information that would've led to professional
help as a young child instead of as a preteen.
Oh, and if it sounds like I'm blaming her for
C's issues getting worse, I am. She has lost every benefit of the doubt my heart has been
able to offer her, and the gloves are off.
These journal passages are really getting to
me today, and I know I'm not alone.
Didn't Robert say there was much more about Collin that he wasn't revealing? I wish he would come out with it now
I don't remember who here said this last week but I think both parents failed Collin and his siblings. I agree that Jon is the better parent(by far) but I do find his enabling during marriage and passivness afterwards inexcusable.
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I don't understand being so passive. Jon knows Kate's temper, anger and penchant for vengeance. I would make damn sure that I saw ALL my kids with my own eyes and spoke with each of them to assess how well they were doing with Kate.
I can't even begin to fathom not seeing my child for over a year. And the twins....I would be so frightened for them if iI were Jon. Not having a father in their lives is not going to bode well in the future. Part of me wonders if Mady's a lot of bluster, but deep down, she's really hurt that Jon hasn't been more forceful.
Has anyone been keeping track of Robert's book sales? I'd love to see that number go up.
Tucker's Mom said... 134
I need to pray for my relationship with Collin… I can’t explain it. I love him so much but I don’t understand him. His frustration is unexplained and I don’t know what he wants a lot of times… he just starts shrieking and I tend to ignore it a lot. He is such a sweet boy and so cute and smart. But I just don’t understand him!!!! Lord please help me to understand Collin and help me to only feel love when he is near!!!! Hold my frustration with him and help me to feel only love!!!!! Help me to be a loving mother who is slow to wrath and quick to love!!!! Please help tomorrow to be a better day for all and help me to take time and play with my kids! Help all of us to benefit! Amen.
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Kate is describing a child on the spectrum and AFAIK, he was never seen or treated, and she just acted like Aaden's glasses were the most awful ailment.
How many years did Kate and TLC cover up the fact that Colin had challenges? How many years did Kate lie and say ALL the kids were doing amazing and at the head of the class?
Colin's "fluid diagnosis" has been an inconvenient truth for most of his life.
The sheep think Kate's going to be some kind of advocate, with her celeb status. Fact is, she ignored Colin's problems.
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If so, early intense intervention at that very age would have done wonders. Well maybe not with her as a mother
localyocul said... 138
Didn't Robert say there was much more about Collin that he wasn't revealing? I wish he would come out with it now
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I should clarify I mean about the way Collin was treated.
Tucker's Mom said... 139
I don't remember who here said this last week but I think both parents failed Collin and his siblings. I agree that Jon is the better parent(by far) but I do find his enabling during marriage and passivness afterwards inexcusable.
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I don't understand being so passive. Jon knows Kate's temper, anger and penchant for vengeance. I would make damn sure that I saw ALL my kids with my own eyes and spoke with each of them to assess how well they were doing with Kate.
I can't even begin to fathom not seeing my child for over a year. And the twins....I would be so frightened for them if iI were Jon. Not having a father in their lives is not going to bode well in the future. Part of me wonders if Mady's a lot of bluster, but deep down, she's really hurt that Jon hasn't been more forceful.
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Honestly, the way Jon said he hasn't seen his son in over a year felt...off. I felt like he was a step away from raising his shoulders. The way he tells the story of how the girls stopped coming and then Collin and now slowly Alexis, the tone I mean, he was like sure, it bothered him but hey, that's life.
Again, the fact that it cost him ZERO to call the police and enforce the court order really leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. This is a case where the fact he is broke and cannot afford to take action. It's a matter of him accepting not seing his children for a very long period of time when it didn't have to be that way.
Just in case my recent comments raise any questions, I am on Team Gosselin Kids. Always have been, always will be.
I think Jon was afraid of Kate after the honeymoon was over. After all, he was scolded for having eaten lunch out without her permission. I think he went along with her discipline, although he did not witness all her journal revealed. He became a better parent in the years he was home but that came along with the can of worms of filming. After he left he went through his own crisis. But I wish he would DO something. There's got to be a legal way to do it NOW and each of those kids needs help. Who knows what they have suffered over the years.What do the kids he does see, say about their life with Mommy and poor Collin, part from Hannah's one-time( as far as we know) revolt? Time's ticking and there could be very serious results.
Flimsy 140....
Here are links to Novelrank sales. Click on the word "Charts" to see how they have jumped lately. Not huge numbers but definitely more sales!
Unedited kindle version - http://www.novelrank.com/asin/B018V1AW2A
Edited kindle version - http://www.novelrank.com/asin/B00L774BFA
Sorry I can't make them clickable.
FlimsyFlamsy (140), he's sold nearly 40 copies in the first 4 days of September on Amazon. Whereas Kate has sold one cookbook in the same period. For 2016, he's outselling her by about 6 to 1. In August, Hoffman sold roughly 100 copies of his book after the People cover came out. I hope this means people are starting to wonder WTF is up with her.
Good to see that Robert's book is seeing a spike in sales. More people are privy to Kate's abuse and it seems like they are taking it more seriously, given Colin's challenges and the obvious shit show that is J+K's utter failure to co-parent.
Any sane mother would be mortified by what Mady said, no proud of it.
Ingrid and Sad but true, thank you for that information!
Wowser (#148), wow, what a beautiful tribute to Jon. Imagine TFW claiming she never really loved him, and that she "settled." And she says he's the one who changed overnight?
Formerly Duped said... 144
I think Jon was afraid of Kate after the honeymoon was over. After all, he was scolded for having eaten lunch out without her permission. I think he went along with her discipline, although he did not witness all her journal revealed. He became a better parent in the years he was home but that came along with the can of worms of filming. After he left he went through his own crisis. But I wish he would DO something. There's got to be a legal way to do it NOW and each of those kids needs help. Who knows what they have suffered over the years.What do the kids he does see, say about their life with Mommy and poor Collin, part from Hannah's one-time( as far as we know) revolt? Time's ticking and there could be very serious results.
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Jon wasn't half as whipped as the editors would like us to believe. He definitely fought back verbally. One reason they had to film so much just to get a half-hour of useable footage was because of the constant sniping and arguments.
I think Jon very much divides things in his life off and lives in the moment. If a child is in front of him right then he can be great, but the moment they're gone or he's focussed on something else that's it.
Both versions of Robert's book are available free for people that have the KindleUnlimited service. I wonder if there is any way to find out how many free copies have been downloaded.
Robert knew back when he was working for Intouch and was friendly with Jon that something was up regarding Collin. This child has had issues for years. Really, I cannot imagine any excuse for Jon not to see his children unless court ordered, particularly if Jon knew Collin was struggling or being singled out by Kate. No excuse.
Yeah. I've always hoped Jon would come through for those kids SOMEHOW. it's pathetic.
Little People, Big World’s’ SHOCKING Inside Family Secrets!
What’s going on now inside the Roloff family’s dynamics? Quite a bit actually. We all heard the shocking allegations youngest son Jacob made as he spoke out against his family on social media. Jacob seemed bitter and angry when he said, “Man I wish it didn’t feel like I was getting f***ed out of the money from the show that was my childhood right now.” First of all are you delusional Jacob? You barely made an appearance on the first season and no one has seen much of you since then. This uppity son of Amy, 51 accused her of faking family dynamics for ratings. ‘Little People, Big World’ was very popular from 2006 to 2010 and was then cancelled until fans let TLC know how much they wanted the Roloff family back and it was picked back up in 2013.
Amy and Jacob have gotten close again after a visit to her son ended in a lot of Instagram photos capturing the moments. Jacob spoke out to anyone who would listen about how his relationship with his mother was awful and how she faked things for ratings. Amy was quiet about the allegations. Seems to me this high school dropout and pot smoker should think before he speaks. Seems a bit ungrateful to me.
Written by Kassandra
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Poor Jacob. The writer is practically accusing Jacob of lying. I hope he never sees this! Barely made an appearance on the first season and wasn't seen much after that??? SMH!! He was on A LOT!
And by the way, Kassandria, he was messed over about his money. He showed overwhelming proof that LPBW was scripted.
What about when he and the man almost got killed with the pumpkin catapulter?
Kassandra has a very bad problem. She is an instigator and an idiot.
I think Jon very much divides things in his life off and lives in the moment. If a child is in front of him right then he can be great, but the moment they're gone or he's focussed on something else that's it.
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That is so not true. Absolutely not. I have known him since the twins were in first grade, and there is so much that has gone on that has never been made public.
Formerly Duped, great minds think alike! lol
All she needs is Cabbage Patch dolls representing all of the kids and stuffed dogs for Shoka, Nala, stuffed puppies for Nanque? and Max, stuffed bird for Zorro and Finding Nemos for Fabian and F (something) for the fish.
She can't be trusted around children.
I wonder what all of the parents of the kids friends think about all this now? Would they allow THEIR child around that sociopath now? Remember when the twins had a friend in the car and she was driving and she hollered really bad? IIRC, something like that.
localyocul said... 138
Didn't Robert say there was much more about Collin that he wasn't revealing? I wish he would come out with it now.
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Your right local! The time is now! If it is not the right time now, then for Pete's sakes, when will it be?
Again, the fact that it cost him ZERO to call the police and enforce the court order really leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
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For the most part, I've stayed out of the discussion about Jon, but I will say that if the police weren't called, it might possibly be because he was putting his kids first, didn't want to upset them with the presence of law enforcement, and was protecting them from unpleasant situations that might ensue if they saw the police -- plus he avoids the anger and wrath that Kate would inflict not only on him but also on the kids if such actions were taken.
Sad but True, now that you posted the stats Kate is going to buy 50 copies of her cookbook to look good. Or maybe Milo and Goody will have to do it.
I agree with you Flimsy.
The passages from her journal are very hard to read. Those kids were ruled with an iron fist, iron mouth and an iron soul. When I see a post with the journal, I just scan it (eyes darting, mouth gasping) and scroll.
It is hard to take.
Wowser said... 132
On Sunday, at the picnic, Collin was handing me his snack cup (tack cup)and I told him to put it in the red bag. He saw the red bag and stood over my shoulder and in his cute voice said ‘in the red bag mommy?’ Beth and I both melted! I squooshed him! He was just trying to please me the best he could!
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That sweet little baby boy!
Just him saying, the red bag, mommy? is like when TFW would get insanity level at Jon for him not coming to her every 5 seconds and say, Kate, what can I do to HELP YOU??
I remember her gripping about it on an episode saying, Why can't he come to me and ask me what can I do to help you? She said, she couldn't understand why he couldn't do that. She was really ticked off about it.
That is not normal!!!
Jeanne (159), I'm sure her barn is filled to the rafters already! There's still about 40,000 to sell. :)
hat is so not true. Absolutely not. I have known him since the twins were in first grade, and there is so much that has gone on that has never been made public.
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I'd like to believe he's done everything he possibly can. I wish he could get some legal help or something. And keeping it out of the public eye is something his ex knows nothing about.
PA Dutch Mom said... 158
Again, the fact that it cost him ZERO to call the police and enforce the court order really leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
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For the most part, I've stayed out of the discussion about Jon, but I will say that if the police weren't called, it might possibly be because he was putting his kids first, didn't want to upset them with the presence of law enforcement, and was protecting them from unpleasant situations that might ensue if they saw the police -- plus he avoids the anger and wrath that Kate would inflict not only on him but also on the kids if such actions were taken.
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This is the kind of remark that angers me. Naturally taking appropriate action would initially bring down the wrath of Kate on Jon & the kids BUT it would also spotlight the problem(s) and bring it to the attention of appropriate individuals for appropriate action & monitoring & PROTECTION.
Jon has the responsibility to be a BIG BOY & ask for & GET the help he needs to protect his children. PERIOD. If nothing changes, nothing changes. It even gets worse.
Perhaps that is a part of why his 15 yr. olds don't want to have anything to do with him. He can't be counted on to problem solve anything for them or their siblings when it is brought to his attention. There is no doubt in my mind that Jon knew many things were happening (& still is) to his kids.
PA Dutch Mom,
Thank you for your small nuggets of truth at just the right time.
It's very frustrating to support Jon when it seems like it is constant inaction on his part.
I appreciate your chiming in as it seems you are concerned about discretion.
Just putting it out there --
I think there is a strong possibility that Monster Mom was finally given an ultimatum by "resources" trying to help Collin.
In order for any kind of a successful outcome to occur for Collin he needed to live away from her (she IS recognized as the main problem).
No way would she allow any family member (especially Jon) to take him into their home so he could receive specialized "home-based" treatment (first option).
The only other option or way she would be "left alone" by those empowered to help Collin would be if she agreed to voluntarily allow him to be admitted to a residential treatment/care facility so he could get the help he needed.
Her hands were tied. Possible? Me thinks so.
Jon has the responsibility to be a BIG BOY & ask for & GET the help he needs to protect his children. PERIOD. If nothing changes, nothing changes. It even gets worse.
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I would NEED to see my kids personally, or else I'd go crazy with worry. Jon complained to the court about Kate's neglect and physical punishment, and he knows her temper with the kids.
I would have to physically see my kids to ensure they're dong ok.
I don't understand what the conversation sounds like when Jon tells himself that he'll just wait for his kids to want to see him, whenever that happens, if at all.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 4
OT...did anyone catch the documentary "Holy Hell"
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Is that the same one on Netflix?
I hadn't realized this before. Instead of making the "10-yr Anniversary Special" the beginning of a new season, TLC designated it as Episode 13 of Season 4, which I thought had ended in Jan 2016. We can surmise that the season ended at that point, with 8 episodes having aired, given all the tweeting Kate did about coming back soon. And Wikipedia posts that the 4th season of the show had 8 episodes.
On Amazon, though, Kate Plus 8 Season 4 runs from the 2015 Mother's Day episode up through the anniversary special. Four episodes ran from May 10 through June 30 (with 3 of those in June). Then the 8 episodes in Dec-Jan; then the special released end of May. So there's really no figuring out anymore what comprises a season, since it seems to be random as far as how TLC is packaging it for sale (13 episodes on demand) as opposed to broadcast.
This is all just weird.
For the most part, I've stayed out of the discussion about Jon, but I will say that if the police weren't called, it might possibly be because he was putting his kids first, didn't want to upset them with the presence of law enforcement, and was protecting them from unpleasant situations that might ensue if they saw the police -- plus he avoids the anger and wrath that Kate would inflict not only on him but also on the kids if such actions were taken
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While I totally understand why someone might think involving law enforcement is "traumatic", it doesn't have to be that way.
He needs to talk to people who have had to involve law enforcement in custody exchanges. They are trained to do this. They are trained to be good with children, to keep the situation calm and peaceful. There is no reason it has to be screaming, shouting, trauma. Any good police officer should be able to assist in a calm exchange of children without fanfare. There is no reason a kid should be traumatized by it. LOTS of family law orders provide for exchanges to occur at the police station, that's not at all unusual, nor are kids "traumatized" by it.
Any upset they might feel would be far outweighed by the damage in not seeing a parent long term.
Ingrid (#168), I'm not a Netflix girl, so I don't know if it's the same "Holy Hell." This is a 2016 documentary. But it does sound like a title that might have been used for something earlier.
GollyGee (#156), if TFW was recreating her family with Cabbage Patch dolls, she wouldn't bother with C, A, J, Shoka or Nanuq. They are dirty, icky boys, so why waste her time?
Only one month until the twins turn 16. TFW ought to be starting that conversation soon, with Gladys eagerly talking about what lovely, gracious, mature young ladies they have become, because of their amazing mother.
PA Dutch Mom said... 158
Again, the fact that it cost him ZERO to call the police and enforce the court order really leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
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For the most part, I've stayed out of the discussion about Jon, but I will say that if the police weren't called, it might possibly be because he was putting his kids first, didn't want to upset them with the presence of law enforcement, and was protecting them from unpleasant situations that might ensue if they saw the police -- plus he avoids the anger and wrath that Kate would inflict not only on him but also on the kids if such actions were taken.
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I thought about that in the beginning but then it occured to me that saying Jon didn't call the police because it would upset/traumatize the kids is the same with saying a parent shouldn't seek medical treatment for their child because it upsets and traumatizes the little one. Yes, it would be upsetting, but ultimately, it is what is best for the children and while short term they may have been upset, long term I think they wouldn't have reached the horrible situation they are in now. I really cannot find any excuse for Jon's lack of action, I'm sorry. I just can't think of a scenario in which deciding not to see your kid is the right way to go.
I'm sure all those 100's of volunteers from the church love to know that all their help "annoyed her" and that only her lady love Jamie "gets her". She really is vile. I know people can change as they age...I just don't buy it with her....her vileness runs too deep
Oops..excerpt from her diary
Saturday, August 26, 2006 Okay it was a sad morning because bright and early Jamie left!!!!! So bery sad! She was the very best helper ever! It really made me think about how much easier and less stressful my life could be if only we could afford a part time helper/ cook/ childcare provider!!!!1 Not any one would do though…. Jamie and I think so much alike and we care for our kids the same way… she doesn’t stress me out at all! She doesn’t get in my way or annoy me, I love her so much!
I think that Monster Mom was finally given an ultimatum by "resources" trying to help Collin.
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Patsy, ITA. That's my feeling she had no choice.
PA Dutch Mom, here's the thing. We don't know Jon but you claim you do. Please offer insight, nothing personal, in general terms because I just do not understand his willingness to accept the situation about not seeing his kids. He may be a nice guy, which is the way he appeared on tv, but something isn't ringing true about his explanations regarding not seeing Collin. As far as the twins, he doesn't have to see them every week because we know how teens are, but you would think he would be fighting to keep the lines of communication open with them so their mother would be unable to alienate them to the degree that Mady would be so publicly outspoken. Also, since Kate went public about Collin and took credit for it, I did not hear anything from Jon as to his involvement.
Wowser (174), that diary entry is so telling. The thing she finds most wonderful about her BFF is that "she was the very best helper ever"? That she "doesn't get in my way or annoy me"? Everyone is a satellite in her world, and every little thing revolves around Kate. This is really all you need to know to understand why everyone leaves Kate.
I don't believe that not allowing a child to eat with his brothers and sisters, or sleeping in a room without windows is child abuse in the eyes of protective services.
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A child (or anyone) sleeping in a room, below grade, with no windows (egress in case of an emergency) is dangerous and illegal in most areas and I'd imagine could be considered as abusive. Whatever "room" it was, it wasn't permitted to be a bedroom originally because of the building codes. I'm assuming it was originally a storage room for her junk which she converted into a room to punish and isolate her non-compliant 'troubled' child (or maybe children plural, as it could have been used for any child she deemed to need that punishment.)
Wowser (#174), and TFW just defined what friendship means to her: having someone help
you and not get on your nerves. But is it ever
a reciprocal relationship? Or does TFW just take and take until the other person is used up, or
is thrown away for whatever reason TFW sees fit?
I don't know if TFW is capable of "being there" for a friend emotionally, when she seems so put out by her even her own children's basics needs and wants.
She wipes kids down with a utility towel...Jon does all the baths, drying, lotioning and dressing (apparently nightly cuz she helped that one time) but it's HER ORGANIZATiON that SAVES them??? Wtf?
All had a great time and I guess because I was very tired by this point, I let the babies get filthy dirty!!! They loved it! When we were ready to come in, I washed the six down with utility towels and dealt with two poopy swimmies and sent them each upstairs to daddy for a well needed bath! Thank goodness for my very useful laundry room that can take a beating and be cleaned up in a flash!!!!! We got the kids bathed and dressed (I helped Jon dress and lotion tonight) and in bed and there were no complaints!!!!!!
Overall a good day, I was able to have a good time and I hope the kids had a great time too! My organization once again saved us!!!!!
It's called a growth spurt Kate...not an annoyance...dolt
Oh yeah, Hannah asked again for ‘more samege” (“sandwhich”). She always asks for more now… a little nerve racking…. She’s pretty chubby-ish lately!!!!
She recognized and admitted Collins has always gotten more negative than positive attention
Alexis got injured and immediately after I had picked her up, Collin brought her her juice cup… no one asked him to, he just took it upon himself to do it… how nice and I was sure to praise him because he seems to get more negative attention then positive attention !!!! He is so naughty and I really don’t know how to handle him most days!!!!! I need to show him more love!!!!!
There are so many things wrong with her mentality in this excerpt...a shrink could spent years trying to figure this narcissist out
After her appt we didn’t have to rush home so I took the girls to Kmart to get a new kiddie pool. I also got them a roll of tape each, a clipboard that they have been requesting to ‘play school’. It was nice to be able to buy them each a few things and have them be so appreciative! I love them so much and don’t even mind that my whole existence is for them- all of them! When we got home, I filled the pool and even got to sit with my feet in the pool while the girls ‘watered’ my feet with the babies watering pots I got them at kmart!!! I stayed out for 30-45 minutes!!!! (Mady made a comment to Jon and I separately yesterday about why I don’t play with them ☹ )
Tonight Mady told me that I am the ‘best mommy a girl could ever have’. WOW if that wasn’t great to hear! I’ll call that payment for the day, or at least the comment that made the day worth it!!!!!
PA Dutch Mom, it must be hard to read these discussion and know more than it would be ok to reveal. I am among those who don't understand Jon's lack of action, including calling the police. I think the kids seem worse off now than any police visit and consequences would be, but you may have details that contradict this.I love to have locals put their comments in because they have a perspective most of us cannot. But it is frustrating to feel that Jon is not stepping up.
Wowser said...174
It really made me think about how much easier and less stressful my life could be if only we could afford a part time helper/ cook/ childcare provider!!!!
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They (she) did have a part-time helper/cook/child care provider! JON!
He became full-time when she forced him to quit his job at the capital!
I hope the good people in her community who helped her doesn't let that stop them from helping someone else. People like her, turn people from helping others in the future.
She is an extreme case.
Headline of an article:
Kate Gosselin on Dreams of Becoming a Grandma: 'I Could Essentially Have Sextuplets Again'
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Code Speak:
I essentially could continue filming and making a paycheck. This is my job, this is what I do.
Sad but true (#176), we were posting almost identical comments at the same time!
Since narcissists are takers, they seek out givers. And someone like Beth was a dream come true for TFW: a giver with money.
It makes me nuts that she waits til long after an offense to punish them...sounds like Mady came home from every outing knowing she was going to get hit...and then there's cara and tfw's response to her helping...good job cara, now it's YOUR job. That would make me want to pitch in too..NOT!!!
We ate tacos for dinner and then went to Target. We got the usual stares and conversation. The six (most of whom had never been to target) were very good. Mady was grouchy and received a few spankings with the spanker that newly joined the emergency supply stash in the big blue bus!!!! She eventually happied up!
As we were reboarding the big blue bus, Leah started fussing and when I listened to her, I realized she was saying ‘No home mommy, no home mommy!’ I guess she was having fun (nodded when I asked her) and didn’t want to leave! I told her we were going to drive around and she could look out the window and this pleased her! She is really easy, let me tell you!
I wanted to add that Cara is becoming increasingly helpful to us. She is really taking on responsibilities and doing them well. The other day when we went away, she packed the blue bag of ‘comfort items’ all by herself! I told her tonight that that is going to be her job when we go away from now on! She enjoys responsibility!
I started thinking how TFW ever maintained any of these friendships with helpers without being the kind of person who reciprocates, and I found the answer right away: she had 8 kids, and that was her constant, convenient excuse for any and all behavior.
I can imagine some exchange like this:
"Hey, Jodi, thanks for taking all 8 of my kids every Friday to wear them out for their 4-hour nap! But, well, of course you realize I could never take your 4 kids, like, ever, because
I HAVE 8 KIDS. But thanks soooo much!
Says the woman who lies constantly
And, Cara lied to me—blatantly!!!! I had given them a snack in a ziploc bag to eat downstairs. She returned about 15 minutes later saying she only had ‘this many’ to begin with! I called her on it and her face immediately turned dark and guilty… she looked like she was going to cry! I told her she must apologize ansd she did! This was so hard for me. Cara is my honest, accountable and capable big girl. I don’t know why she did this! I talked to her about it and I told her to ‘always tell the truth’—my broken record speech!!!!
Spanking is slapping with an open hand. Hitting
with a hard object is assault.
These journal passages are killing me.
Her "always tell the truth" crap is so ironic. Bitch, please. And taking it personally when a six year old lies to get more snacks? Um. OK
FlimsyFlamsy said... 188
I started thinking how TFW ever maintained any of these friendships with helpers without being the kind of person who reciprocates, and I found the answer right away: she had 8 kids, and that was her constant, convenient excuse for any and all behavior.
I can imagine some exchange like this:
"Hey, Jodi, thanks for taking all 8 of my kids every Friday to wear them out for their 4-hour nap! But, well, of course you realize I could never take your 4 kids, like, ever, because
I HAVE 8 KIDS. But thanks soooo much!
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LOL even though 4 + 8 and 8 + 4 both = 12
Flimsy....I'm sorry the journal entries are killing you. They are difficult to read. I just think in light of what is happening to Collin and his gestational carriers need to use his situation and abandonment as a platform to gain sympathy and accolades as well as promote her frickin tv show is appalling....and rather than have people point fingers at us as critics and haters, I think using her own words to validate our points makes it rock solid.. Just sayin
PA Dutch Mom said... 155
I think Jon very much divides things in his life off and lives in the moment. If a child is in front of him right then he can be great, but the moment they're gone or he's focussed on something else that's it.
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That is so not true. Absolutely not. I have known him since the twins were in first grade, and there is so much that has gone on that has never been made public
Then please enlighten us. Send a letter to Radar or People. Use your voice. It may end up helping the kids.
You state as fact you know things....it's time to share.
NOIP
Regarding the police being called, Jon has to wait outside the locked gate, right? If he calls the police are called is Kate going to unlock to gate or give some bogus story about Jon not being allowed to come onto the property? Then Jon's going to say that's not true, then the police don't know who's telling the truth. They can't demand to be let onto the property without knowing the situation, i.e., restraining order, right? So what is accomplished other than upsetting the kids? We know Kate would not comply with the police anyway without first having a screaming hysterical meltdown.
Regarding the police being called, Jon has to wait outside the locked gate, right? If he calls the police are called is Kate going to unlock to gate or give some bogus story about Jon not being allowed to come onto the property? Then Jon's going to say that's not true, then the police don't know who's telling the truth. They can't demand to be let onto the property without knowing the situation, i.e., restraining order, right? So what is accomplished other than upsetting the kids? We know Kate would not comply with the police anyway without first having a screaming hysterical meltdown.
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That's not how it works. A custody order specifies pick-ups and drop-offs and where they are to occur, who is to transact the children. We actually have an entire section for that on CA family law orders and I'm sure PA is the same. Nothing is to be left unclear just in case you do need to involve the police. Jon needs to come with a copy of his custody order and present it to the police. They will then take it from there and transact his children. I actually don't think Kate would have a meltdown. I think narcissists are bullies until they are actually called out, then they slither away like cowards. And so what if she melts down? That's still not any worse than not ever seeing his kids!
As for restraining orders, they are REGISTERED with the police. All they have to do is do a quick computer search in their squad car to see there is no restraining order. No cop is going to be confused as to the existence of a restraining order, trust me.
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I still, cannot, in my wildest dreams imagine Kate turning over all 8 without having a total sh*tfit and getting half the kids crying and yelling. I do not think it would be beneficial in the long run.
There's the hell to pay in some form or another even IF she ended up turning over all the kids...a media blitz of lies, whatever she cooks up. She'd never let it go just like she'll never get over how he defied her during the divorce.
I still, cannot, in my wildest dreams imagine Kate turning over all 8 without having a total sh*tfit and getting half the kids crying and yelling. I do not think it would be beneficial in the long run.
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I really struggle to see how one or two fits are WORSE than NEVER seeing your kids! NEVER SEEING YOUR KIDS! Someone made the analogy to Baby Jessica and it was a great one. It's better to pull the toddler out and break her leg and hurt her temporarily, then refusing to do it and letting her die in there. Seriously, the kids will get over it.
She's had fits over lots of things, it's not like the kids have never seen her like this. What's a few more?
Maybe Jon feels as you do I guess, but I think he's wrong and is going to do permanent damage to his future with his kids. Already has.
Poor Mady has learned from toddlerhood at the feet of the greed monster
So after the announcement, we then followed Annette, our ‘personal shopper’ to the place where all the big girls stuff is… and the girls picked their outfit! Mady chose a pile of outfits and Cara chose only after looking a few times. And she only chose two! Mady had a pile that she had to go through a few times later!
You're right Kate....Beth and Jodi would never hinder the kids from seeing family...YOU would!! Oh, and 12 kids would send you over the edge?? Biotch! 8 did!! Oh and I'm so glad you think Beth can handle it....oy..even when she's dead, she's dictating.
Tonight, our lawyer came and we made a will with him—Kevin Dolan. He helped us to know what to do! And I feel a little better if something were to happen to jon and i. Our kids will be taken care of and that is reassuring! We chose to put Beth and Bob in the number one position because their kids are older and we feel it wouldn’t be such a huge burden on them to take all eight of our kids. I know too that Beth’s wisdom will help to cover all situations and she would never hinder my/ our other family members from seeing our kids! We do not intend to hurt any family members and still would want Kev and Jodi to see and have our kids for stays etc, but we just feel that with four young kids of their own, that their intentions are admirable, but 12 kids? That would even send me over the edge! We love them both so much for even being willing to offer to take our kids!
And, Cara lied to me—blatantly!!!! I had given them a snack in a ziploc bag to eat downstairs. She returned about 15 minutes later saying she only had ‘this many’ to begin with! I called her on it and her face immediately turned dark and guilty… she looked like she was going to cry! I told her she must apologize ansd she did! This was so hard for me. Cara is my honest, accountable and capable big girl. I don’t know why she did this! I talked to her about it and I told her to ‘always tell the truth’—my broken record speech!!!!
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Yet another example of Kate getting unreasonably upset over normal child development. All kids lie. It's part of figuring out social interactions, just like we were talking about Collin figuring out humor. Certainly it's appropriate to correct them and encourage them to be truthful, but there's no reason to overreact or take it so personally.
And, I don't think she ever understood this, but her own behavior probably encouraged lying. The kid was lying to avoid getting in trouble, and knowing how severe Kate's punishments could be, of course it's going to be harder to come clean out of FEAR of the consequences.
It does seem that based on Kate's own words, she does a lot of "broken record" with the kids. Repeating herself over and over, lecturing them over and over about the same topics to deaf ears. Of course that's not going to work on most kids. And yet there's no sense of pause and reflection on her part, what is it about my parenting style that's not successful?
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