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Her epiphany: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/why-i-decided-to-stop-writing-about-my-children/
And here's the September 2016 People article feature Kate and kids, sans Collin.
Saturday, August 20, 2016
"I don’t want to mar my children’s glory and subvert their beginnings for my so-called art" and Kate and kids in People magazine, minus Collin
Popular "Mommy blogger" and writer Elizabeth Bastos has packed up shop after realizing (with the help of one concerned grandfather) her posts were intruding on her children's right to privacy.
Her epiphany: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/why-i-decided-to-stop-writing-about-my-children/
And here's the September 2016 People article feature Kate and kids, sans Collin.
Her epiphany: http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/07/29/why-i-decided-to-stop-writing-about-my-children/
And here's the September 2016 People article feature Kate and kids, sans Collin.
2057 sediments (sic) from readers:
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Mady thinks she will be a star.
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I think Mady is just like her mother. She has the same attitude, and she seems to have the same sense of entitlement. I have no doubt that she expects a show of her own to be dropped in her lap at some point, without any effort from her. Years ago, she said her dream was to be on the Disney Channel. Well, what did she do to make that dream come true? Did she take acting classes? Go on auditions? Or did she just expect it to happen because she is Mady Gosselin? I recall that she did some school plays, but that's not enough. That girl in in for some major disappointment when she realizes that her dreams are not just going to happen for her simply because she thinks she's special. I can see her, 10 years from now, popping out HOMs of her own to try to capture some level of fame out of it.
Local, I really didn't notice before how *personally* Kate took everything her kids did. She has a two or three year old just being a toddler, and she takes it like their one and only goal is to try to make her day just horrible. She is assigning motivations to them that they are not even old enough to have sometimes! For a nurse, her total ignorance as to child development is unbelievable.
I do think that's just another shade of narcissism, everything is about you, even a toddler who poops her pants is about YOU and trying to ruin YOUR day. She is without a shadow of a doubt a narcissist.
Yeah, what does 'fluid' diagnosis mean? She could have just said a diagnosis we wish to keep private.
Or say nothing at all!
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I made this point before but by being so vague about everything, she has caused more understandable speculation and discussion. Had she just said "Collin as ODD" or "Collin has autism" there would be much less to say about it.
She was better off either saying everything that is going on, or better yet, saying nothing at all. But throwing out a bone here and there is like adding lighter fluid to the kindling. And sadly I think she knew exactly what she was doing, was calculated.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 199
And, Cara lied to me—blatantly!!!!
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And having seen Mommy go batshit crazy over similar food "infractions" in the past, especially toward her 2-yr-old siblings, Cara decided to take her chances with the lie since she knows what's in store if she admits the truth. I confess, I would have done the same.
Of course, it was calculated! TFW is a person who needs constant attention and these are the ways she gets it. Even though one of her children is missing from the "family magazine cover photo" she smiles and tee hee hee's all the way to the bank! Sickening, always has been. We have been discussing and been sickened by this mess for years. Boycott, please boycott.
A child (or anyone) sleeping in a room, below grade, with no windows (egress in case of an emergency) is dangerous and illegal in most areas and I'd imagine could be considered as abusive.
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It may sound paradoxical, but CPS and us child abuse courts don't have to follow housing laws, immigration laws, or a lot of other laws out there.
For instance, it may be illegal to convert a garage into a bedroom in some areas, but it doesn't mean we can't release children to a mother who lives in such a situation. And it may be illegal for a father to be residing here and working here, but it doesn't mean we take his kids for it.
It really is very, very hard to lose your kids in this country. You can be breaking many other laws and still get your kids. L.A. County is a strange bird because of the huge population here, the minorities and foreigners who are unable to talk themselves out of situations as well as a white local, and the huge drug problem which leads to a lot of detentions, but most counties in the U.S. may only have half a dozen kids if that in the foster care system.
Yes, users find people who are kind and giving. If they find people who are rich and generous, all the better! I have personal experience with users. Friendship is a one way street with them. When you stop pleasing them and being used up by them, they hurry up the street and leave you in their dust. It is ugly and painful for sure. Beth realized what was happening and good for her. Doesn't mean she stopped caring. She just had to disengage. Been there, done that.
I can certainly see why you hesitate to share specifics, PA Dutch Mom, even though it must grate to constantly see misinformation. Thanks for clearing up what you can. You obviously care about and want the best for these kids and their dad, just continue to follow your conscience.
I thought about that in the beginning but then it occured to me that saying Jon didn't call the police because it would upset/traumatize the kids is the same with saying a parent shouldn't seek medical treatment for their child because it upsets and traumatizes the little one
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Agree. Or many other things that kids will sometimes throw fits over. Eating vegetables, going to school, going to practice. It's impossible to raise a child without sometimes upsetting them. Sometimes things must be done for their own good.
And you know what, it's not the worst thing in the world to upset a child. That is life. Life is sometimes upsetting, and drastic action must sometimes be taken. It is not the worst thing in the world for a child to learn how to face and deal with upsetting situations.
Admin said...173
I really struggle to see how one or two fits are WORSE than NEVER seeing your kids! NEVER SEEING YOUR KIDS! Someone made the analogy to Baby Jessica and it was a great one. It's better to pull the toddler out and break her leg and hurt her temporarily, then refusing to do it and letting her die in there. Seriously, the kids will get over it.
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Admin, it was me. It is like you have to take a Band-Aid off and you don't want to take it off slowly so you rip it off and it stings for awhile, but it goes away in a bit.
On the Golden Girls, Dorothy doesn't want to go and throw rice at her daughter and son-in-law after they got married. Sophia talked to her and said, Life is like a piece of shredded wheat stuck in your dentures. Leave it in, it festers.
Take it out, it heals and you feel better.
Time heals all wounds. I hope this rings true with all of the kids and Jon. And hopefully, their mother.
Admin is correct....this happened to a friend of mine. His 8 and 10 year old daughters were angry after their split and said I don't want to go to custody time. He thought he was doing the right thing by giving them an option...as they aged they twisted it that he didn't care enough about them to see them. Jon is making the same mistake. A kid will respect a parent more by forcing them to adhere to custody, in a sense saying...I know you are angry but I love you enough anyway that we will see each other even if you are mad. He hasn't seen his daughters in 20 years now because they believe he didn't care when he thought he was respecting their wishes.
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 46m46 minutes ago
F**k Robert Hoffman and his "book of lies" that embellishes a stolen journal written 10+ years ago. 👎@Kateplusmy8
No worries, K8! Come hell or high water, your dear friend Ms Goody is gonna stick to YOUR version and go down with the ship, lol.
Sad but true...13...
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 46m46 minutes ago F**k Robert Hoffman and his "book of lies" that embellishes a stolen journal written 10+ years ago. 👎@Kateplusmy8
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I'm confused, is it a "book of lies" or a 10+ year old stolen book of truth?
I'm confused, is it a "book of lies" or a 10+ year old stolen book of truth?
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Lol. I was just going to say the same thing. The funniest thing Kate ever did in her lawsuit is admit it was stolen and thus *hers*. Oops.
fade2black said... 14
It's whatever MsGoody wants it to be. But she knows the truth.
People magazine. I haven't read it and canceled my subscription years ago when Kate started snuggling up to Coyne. However, there is an article about a friend of mine in this week's copy, but I refuse to give a dime to People. I was thinking about picking up a copy at the register and read it as I grocery shop. Would that be tacky? :)
Goody. Of course she's at odds with Robert. He devoted a few pages to this crazy fan. Has she ever said how his book is "embellished?" Did he "embellish" her tweets? If he did, then she would have the option of suing him for libel. Seems to me like they were direct quotes, or did he just "embellish" the parts about Kate?
And, I don't think she ever understood this, but her own behavior probably encouraged lying. The kid was lying to avoid getting in trouble, and knowing how severe Kate's punishments could be, of course it's going to be harder to come clean out of FEAR of the consequences.
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Look at when Jon lied about buying lunch in Philly. Sad on so many levels.
#1 Fear of Kate's reaction to lying to her. She takes this way overly personal, and it angers her.
#2 Kate's control- Holy shit, it's one freaking lunch and she's got a grown man scared to stick his prick out and tell her he's charging it to the credit card. Yikes!
#3 The invective incited by lying to Kate would be tough for anyone to take, let alone Jon
Kate needed/needs to see that this is a TRUST issue that has everything to do with Kate. People don't trust that Kate will handle the truth, and they behave as such for fear of her wrath.
Case in point- Globe Gate
Admin...10 -- "Agree. Or many other things that kids will sometimes throw fits over. Eating vegetables, going to school, going to practice. It's impossible to raise a child without sometimes upsetting them. Sometimes things must be done for their own good."
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Yes, but I would think there would be more to it than this. If it were just a matter of calling the police then yes, some things need to be done. But remember that these kids would have to suffer under the wrath of Kate and her fits of rage if Jon called the police. I think perhaps that would be a valid reason for not calling in law enforcement. I can't imagine what it would be like to live in the same house with her under those circumstances. She would blame them. It's always somebody else's fault, and Jon, having lived with her for so many years, probably took that into consideration.
Back when the book first came out goody said she would no longer support Kate if it were true. Then she changer to well it was a long time ago and she forgives her . Now it's "embellished" please.
Ps she must be reading here
@Sad but true You know speaking of Msgoody and her anger,i have a question to those who read Robert's book.Some of you mention that Robert wrote an entire chapter about Msgoody,what exactly did he say about her?Did he find out stuff about her personal life or did he just show some nasty tweets she made about him and Jon years ago because i remember hearing how she was worse years ago then she is now.Either way,i don't see how any person could get so angry about someone writing a book about a celebrity they love unless that person is madly in love with said celebrity
Three cheers for PA Dutch mom and her integrity! So many others would use personal knowledge about Jon and the things that have happened out of the public's eye to make themselves look good, but she never has. Besides, you can't be complaining about Kate or her cohorts revealing things and then expect to have one of this group do the very thing you find so abhorrent.
We really have no business digging into their personal lives, much as we'd all like to have our curiosity fulfilled. Everyone wants what is best for those kids but there is far too much speculation going on that somehow becomes real in some minds. It doesn't seem like that kind of thinking would help anyone. But I've gone off track here. Sorry. Just be proud of PA Dutch mom that she is of such strong character.
Sad but true said... 13
MsGoody2Shoes21 @msgoody2shoes21 46m46 minutes ago
F**k Robert Hoffman and his "book of lies" that embellishes a stolen journal written 10+ years ago. 👎@Kateplusmy8
No worries, K8! Come hell or high water, your dear friend Ms Goody is gonna stick to YOUR version and go down with the ship, lol.
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Hmm, how can a book of "lies" be based on Kate's journal? The very journal that she copyrighted?
Robert imbues the book with his own experience and that of hundreds of people whom he interviewed when doing research for the book. This is not lies.
Opinion? Yes, much is opinion and boy, were they all in agreement.
But remember that these kids would have to suffer under the wrath of Kate and her fits of rage if Jon called the police. I think perhaps that would be a valid reason for not calling in law enforcement.
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I would think Kate's wrath would be even more of a reason to involve the police. These kids seem to endure horrible behaviour anyways, if it's not for going at Jon's then it's for some other reason, I'm sure Kate finds something everyday.
Wowser said... 12
Admin is correct....this happened to a friend of mine. His 8 and 10 year old daughters were angry after their split and said I don't want to go to custody time. He thought he was doing the right thing by giving them an option...as they aged they twisted it that he didn't care enough about them to see them. Jon is making the same mistake.
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I can easily see how this might be the case with Jon. The twins can use his passiveness to impugn Jon's parenting, or, they might be very hurt deep down that he hasn't moved heaven and earth to see them.
Either way, this is a very poor outcome. I suspect this outcome is right up there (or down there) with addict and abusive parents.
The increased risk for the G kids for things like depression, addiction, failed relationships and early pregnancy is there just from the divorce and that's IF things go pretty well on the co-parenting front. Add to that, the fact that Jon and Kate have and still utterly fail at co-parenting, have been openly hostile toward each other and the magnifying glass of being in the public eye, and you've got a recipe for disaster.
The total breakdown of a relationship with a (surviving) parent just makes things that much worse. The children have been and are at an age where the relationship with the same/opposite sex parent is crucial for their development, and Jon seems to be sitting on the sidelines instead of using the resources available to him.
Was ms goody's comment worthy of a retweet from the queen?? Lol Sorry I couldn't resist.
LaLaLandNoMore said... 8
Yes, users find people who are kind and giving. If they find people who are rich and generous, all the better!
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By all accounts, Beth is a lovely woman. If I could pick a nit with Beth, it's that she indulged Kate's inclination to be pampered a bit too much.
Most moms need to be reminded to pamper themselves once in awhile. Kate needs no one to give her permission to spend time and money, and she seems to have no problem justifying.
Which, hey, good for her for having the resources and ability to spend and travel at will.
However, shame on the sheep for thinking Kate's standard of living, which she is now accustomed to, is reason to continue filming her kids and exposing their private matters for further profit.
The kids endure Kate's wrath ANYWAY, I struggle to understand why that should be a reason for Jon not to take action here. What difference does it make the reason for her wrath if she's going to be wrathful anyway?
Plus, they're not 3 anymore. It's not like she can throw a 14 year old young adult into her crib by the hair. They're differently situated now that they're older. She can't hurt them the way she used to.
For a nurse, her total ignorance as to child development is unbelievable.
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As well as basic medical care. She's smart enough to insist that she play doctor and diagnose and prescribe medicine for her kids, yet she writes about significant health issues that she lets go for weeks at a time.
Most times, when you're in healthcare, you look at information clinically and critically, and stop with the b.s. of opening a window or rubbing Vicks on the feet (and swear by old wives tales) to rid a child of the cold virus.
Plus, they're not 3 anymore. It's not like she can throw a 14 year old young adult into her crib by the hair. They're differently situated now that they're older. She can't hurt them the way she used to.
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Perhaps we haven't really seen Kate in a full-blown melt-down/tantrum. I would think that it could get really viscous. She may not be able to inflict as great a physical punishment now that they are older, but to what degree of emotional and verbal abuse would she subject them to? It could be that Jon knows this because he lived with it and is fully aware of what sets her off if her buttons are pushed far enough and she's on anger overload.
Perhaps we haven't really seen Kate in a full-blown melt-down/tantrum. I would think that it could get really viscous. She may not be able to inflict as great a physical punishment now that they are older, but to what degree of emotional and verbal abuse would she subject them to? It could be that Jon knows this because he lived with it and is fully aware of what sets her off if her buttons are pushed far enough and she's on anger overload.
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The children are ALREADY subjected to emotional abuse. We've seen it on camera.
It's not like everything is fine in that house, and Jon pushing his visitation would suddenly change everything for the worse.
He really has nothing to lose. It already is f--ed up. Why not try to fix it? Makes no sense to support inaction. None.
I can easily see how this might be the case with Jon. The twins can use his passiveness to impugn Jon's parenting, or, they might be very hurt deep down that he hasn't moved heaven and earth to see them.
A thought that their mother will not try to dispel, instead doing everything she can to reinforce it.
Mel said... 32
I can easily see how this might be the case with Jon. The twins can use his passiveness to impugn Jon's parenting, or, they might be very hurt deep down that he hasn't moved heaven and earth to see them.
A thought that their mother will not try to dispel, instead doing everything she can to reinforce it.
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Right-it works in her favor either way.
I think Kate feels validation and almost...proud when and if her children choose not to see Jon. I think it boosts her sense of worth as a mother.
Kate does it "all alone" because she will have it no other way. She WILL get all the accolades and the glory..
I have never seen one ounce of sorrow from her, that her children are tearing away from their father one by one. There is no strife, nor angst about what three of her girls and one of her boys are losing.
Mel said... 32
I imagine Kate has also used Jon's several live-in girlfriends against him, probably especially with the twins. "See, girls, your dad doesn't care, he's moved in with another new girl, where are you going to sleep?" And much much more along these lines (sluts, tramps, etc.). Once again, being so isolated, I can see that taking hold pretty easily and being hard for Jon to counter.
Just in case we needed a reminder why Jon ran like hell and the kids will be f'd up for life...all because of one shrewish woman who should NEVER have been able to procreate....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=psQ4PU0t7QM
Layla said... 2
foxy said (57)…
Mady thinks she will be a star.
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I think Mady is just like her mother. She has the same attitude, and she seems to have the same sense of entitlement. I have no doubt that she expects a show of her own to be dropped in her lap at some point, without any effort from her. Years ago, she said her dream was to be on the Disney Channel. Well, what did she do to make that dream come true? Did she take acting classes? Go on auditions? Or did she just expect it to happen because she is Mady Gosselin? I recall that she did some school plays, but that's not enough. That girl in in for some major disappointment when she realizes that her dreams are not just going to happen for her simply because she thinks she's special. I can see her, 10 years from now, popping out HOMs of her own to try to capture some level of fame out of it.
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It's so uncomfortable reading things like this. For one, it's typical for girls of a certain age to say they'd like to be a Disney star or a pop star or for a boy to say they want to be a professional athlete. That doesn't mean they're ready to devote their life to it or feel that they're due easy fame and fortune.
Their instinct to hit was instilled in them very young
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BCstcsTfWQk
And after a hard day of school, wouldn't you be excited to be greeted like this....seriously?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3lE0BitsPI
Wowser (previous page), please don't think I was condemning you for posting these passages! I think they have generated some great conversation. I have to admit that when the book first came out and passages were posted, I did what GollyGee did --
just glanced them and moved on, because I didn't really want to absorb the contents. But I decided to read every word this time, so it's a lot of new information for me.
Cruisin'(#17), it's nice to see you. Just last week I mentioned you and a few other posters from whom we hadn't heard in a while!
A question for Goody...if Robert did an editing job on these journals, why did he leave in the stuff that makes TFW seem nice? Like compliments about her children, and general gratitude, and references to God? Wouldn't have just swiffered all that?
Or was that part of his deep, dark, devious plot
to malign the world's greatest mother?
Wowser said... 37
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Sad. Mady hit Collin and said he had thrown a fit t in school that day. She sounded just like Kate and acted like her, too.
Then you also get this from role model Mommy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXy2bpLXN4o
Titanic (22)...thanks for your kind comments!
TLC (175)...No can do, not even in general terms. I will admit, however, that there are times when I've read comments about Jon and had to bite my tongue so hard I thought it would bleed! The problem is, when commenting in general terms, sometimes the discussion goes back and forth, you feel obligated to agree with or refute and you end up saying much more than you had originally anticipated!
Does anyone have a really good recipe for chicken paprikash? My Hungarian mother-in-law has passed and I just can't make it the way that she did. Mine ends up somehow tasting a bit on the PA Dutch side!
Tucker's, get ready. We're back in the 90s at the end of the week.
Tucker's, get ready. We're back in the 90s at the end of the week.
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Which is why I HATE that our pool closes on Labor Day.
I love chicken paprikash! A good source of seriously solid recipes is All Recipes (or maybe Kate's book has one?!). I made chile verde today, with roasted hatch chiles.
DH gave it a 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(seriously, it was really good-first time making it with the hatch chiles)
A question for Goody...if Robert did an editing job on these journals, why did he leave in the stuff that makes TFW seem nice? Like compliments about her children, and general gratitude, and references to God? Wouldn't have just swiffered all that?
Or was that part of his deep, dark, devious plot
to malign the world's greatest mother?
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I don't know which one scares me the most, Goody or Milo. Maybe it's a draw.
PA Dutch Mom (#42), sorry to hear about your
mother-in-law's passing.
Tucker's Mom (#33), to me, TFW's unmitigated delight in her children's poor relationship
with their father is proof positive that she
is a vile human being. Knowing the facts of
the situation, how could anyone possibly
believe that she loves her children more than
she hates her ex? That she's putting their
best interests ahead of her negative feelings
about him? That she has the slightest comprehension that maligning their father
discounts 50% of their DNA?
There is no way -- NO WAY -- all 8 of these children will emerge unscathed from their
tenure as human lab rats in TFW's high-paying
social experiment. But I know we will see her blithely blaming everyone but herself when
that all comes down.
OT.....
Have you seen this funny/scary youtube?
Talk about having a temper - this woman is crazy! The garbage truck driver maintains his cool, which just pisses her off even more. Imagine having HER in your life!
Forgot to post the link.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUsJ6BRJPrc
Flimsy 39....that never even crossed my mind. I took it exactly as you meant it. It is sad and difficult to read. I just feel it's important to keep those journal entries front and center because it will explain so much for what is surely coming down the pike for those 8 children. We are already seeing it with Collin. I work in special education....and whether Collin was on the spectrum from the beginning and it was overlooked, the emotional, physical and mental abuse administered to that child from the very person he should have received the MOST nurturing from in his developmental years, adds a dimension that goes much deeper than just handling issues on the spectrum. I'm actually hoping Collin is receiving more unconditional love and feels safer with the people he is currently with just so he can experience some healthy human interaction that he didn't receive on the compound and was denied access to with loving grandparents, aunts and uncles by that same witch.
jolie Jacquelyn said... 47
Forgot to post the link.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUsJ6BRJPrc
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Don't do meth!!!!!
Speaking of hatch chills Tucker's Mom....we just got back from the Hatch Chili Festival.
NJGal51 said... 50
Speaking of hatch chills Tucker's Mom....we just got back from the Hatch Chili Festival.
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Oh, how cool! My hatch chili experience isn't as interesting as yours-I bought roasted and peeled hatch chiles at a local store having a limited hatch fest.
The chiles are terrific! There's heat, but a nice rounded flavor. I was a bit scared that I'd taste the finished chili and it would burn my face off, but it had a smooth heat that didn't build, but just stayed mellow.
I have no idea about every helper the Gosselins had. I know one woman who was a volunteer when the children were babies. She won't give me the details but she indicates that it was a bad time. (Maybe Kate threatened lawsuits from day one?) My friend is still a wonderfully helpful woman, generous and kind. Kate didn't kill that. I think only the impulse to help Kate was killed in the volunteers. I think that's also why Kate was at the court begging for another year of the Medicaid nurse. The church ladies stopped going. If she could have mustered a few thank yous, Kate would have had help for longer. Not 24/7 but help.
I would of course love to hear the details of what Jon has done but I understand that PA Dutch Mom wants to be a good friend and not spill. I agree with Admin that he should have been more forceful with visitation. I also believe that the police might not really have helped him much after all the times the local police acted like Kate's personal helpers, carrying her bags and helping her speed off. I do believe he loves his kids. But because it all plays out in gossip magazines and on tv, we will make our own judgments. I think his interviews lately are vague to the point of being annoying. Don't say you don't know why you haven't seen your kids. Give enough details you don't look like so passive. Then after Kate's article don't just say you're upset at her. Why are you mad? Give quotes with substance. He has said he is free to talk now. Yet he still appears muzzled.
Best case: none of them would be on tv or in magazines anymore. Probably impossible.
Jon is finely at a place where he is not having to dig so hard to get where he wants. I know people will say he should move heaven and earth to do what he can to see those kids but look at what he has had to deal with already when he tried. How many years has he had to just sit and take crap. He didn't just sit, he tried only to hit a wall at every turn.
When her sister came out of the woodworks and then crawled back in, which I don't blame her, she said that Kate has ENDLESS resources to get what she wants. Jon must have felt like he was swimming in quicksand getting nowhere. I can't even imagine having to pay so much child support, losing your job around every corner. Yes there were times it was his fault but REALLY who could afford to pay 22,000 dollars a month and still have enough to pay your own living expenses. And talk about being sued for six million dollars on top of that??? He has had to choose the lesser of two evils countless times. Don't forget also that HE is a first time parent also. One who can't even be around his kids to learn by trial and error on a daily basis their personalities and how to deal with them. He gets to shoot from the hip, pardon my pun, with nearly every decision he makes and has the whole world watching.
I think he has shown great restraint only defending himself here and there while most of the world thinks he is scum. How many of us could live with the lies told about us that have been told about him. KUDOS Jon, that's all I can say. I wish I could be half as strong as he has shown he is willing to be. He has to live with his girls hating him, and not for what is all truth but what that evil devil is manipulating them with. How confused and hurt he must be not REALLY knowing what is the right thing to do. How many times did he take advice from people he respected to only have it be the wrong advice. We don't know! AND WHO HAS TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES? Him and his children. And the world sits back and disects every move he makes.
He and only he knows and has lived her evilness. He is finally getting to a place where he may make enough to fight her. I know I would tiptoe lightly until I was at a place that she could not pull me back down so I could finally get somewhere when I did try to help my kids. (if I was him anyway)
Since we're speculating here I've been wondering if there might be something else going on here. I did see a comment from Jon that he really likes his judge. Maybe Jon forced the issue of sending Collin for help with the aid of the court and Kate thought her big announcement would gain her sole credit for looking after his needs.
If she knew it would have garnered such a negative response she could have blamed it all on Jon, but she can't very well do that now can she?
Well, praise be! Stephanie is alive and well. I was really worried about that gal!
I did see a comment from Jon that he really likes his judge.
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What judge was that? I remember him commenting about his attorney, but what did he say about a judge and when?
pym said... 54
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If she knew it would have garnered such a negative response she could have blamed it all on Jon, but she can't very well do that now can she?
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Nope, she screwed the pooch on this one. With Jon having said (consistently) that he hasn't seen C in a very long time, and that hasn't been by his choice, she can hardly argue that it's Jon's influence that has brought the child to this juncture. She likes to try to blame everything on the "divorce" problems, but it's nearly seven years since that ended. And she's been the sole parental presence in the child's life for the past two. So responsibility for what has/hasn't been done to help him was hers.
Okay Sheepless, you sent me to google to try to find the Jon comment, but YIKES there are just so many to plow through and I want to go to bed. I'll look again tomorrow.
But I do remember thinking 'hello, what does this mean?' because every comment up til then was how he hadn't seen Collin for so long. It may not mean what I think it means, but it was meant about something.
Sheepless In Seattle said... 55
Well, praise be! Stephanie is alive and well. I was really worried about that gal!
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Didn't you hear? she was with the church ladies. She has since backslid and is advertizing again. #theporn#wastootempting #loveoffering#notenough. or however you make hash tags.
This is when Jon stopped filming and put up the infamous misspelled worded sign on the gate. Pay particular attention to what TFW said.
I believe that statement that she said that Jon never said anything to her about the children and filming is one of the biggest, biggest ever LIE to ever come out of her mouth! Another is the doctors she lied to when she was trying to conceive the tups.
This is what Jon was dealing with. A wife who had ENDLESS RESOURCES at her feet and the biggest one was TLC. She used THEIR legal eagles to fight against Jon. She must of thought she was so powerful. But it was so funny when she got paid back when Jon got TUMA, BABY! to represent him and Robert when she sued them!
Then TFW hired that young attorney who didn't even show up for court because he went to the wrong courthouse.
Jon Gosselin Lawyer to TLC: Kate Plus 8 crews no longer welcome at home. Network suspends filming.
Gosselin also voiced claims that TLC has never obtained correct work permits for the children nor compensated them properly.
TLC didn’t take the accusations kindly. It slapped back at Jon, saying it was “deeply disappointed” by his behavior — and that he had willingly participated in the show as recently as last Friday.
“[Jon’s] latest comments are grossly inaccurate, without merit and are clearly opportunistic,” the network said. “Despite Jon Gosselin’s repeated self-destructive and unprofessional actions, he remains under an exclusive contract with TLC.”
The latest fighting came just days after TLC said the show would be reformatted around Kate and relaunched as “Kate Plus 8” on Nov. 2. But Jon insists that he didn’t ban the network from his home as payback for the demotion — his lawyer told TV’s “The Insider” that his client’s decision was made before the network announcement.
Meanwhile, Jon’s soon-to-be-ex, Kate, also stepped into the verbal volley, saying Jon’s priority was his own interests. “Jon has never expressed any concerns to me about our children being involved in the show,” she said, “and, in fact, is on the record as saying he believes the show benefits our children.”
She is insane. He had to say that because he was under her iron fist.
Wowser said... 35
Just in case we needed a reminder why Jon ran like hell and the kids will be f'd up for life...all because of one shrewish woman who should NEVER have been able to procreate....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=psQ4PU0t7QM
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At 0:41 in the above clip, Jon tells Joel: "Don't touch this, it's Collin's" and in the next moment we see Joel trying to take the toy and Collin crying and shoving Joel. I am almost 100% sure that this particular clip was later used by TLC to exemplify Collin having conflicts with his siblings.
We have seen Collin do a lot of hitting and TLC painted him like the bully but now I'm wondering, how many times was he provoked by siblings who had been specifically told by Jon and Kate to leave him alone?
Also, I have no words for the girls have feelings and boys do not speech. I have never ever, in my whole life, met the mommy of a little boy who talked even remotely that way about her son.
Final thought: also in the above clip, kate says the boys are less verbal and then TLC shows us the boys shrieking on the couch. I am willing to bet 1000$ that cameramen had the boys shriek at that very moment.
njay said... 53
Jon is finely at a place where he is not having to dig so hard to get where he wants. I know people will say he should move heaven and earth to do what he can to see those kids but look at what he has had to deal with already when he tried. How many years has he had to just sit and take crap. He didn't just sit, he tried only to hit a wall at every turn.
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What leaves me scratching my head is that Jon has said, repeatedly, he gets to see his kids on a schedule, which is something like one evening a week, and every other weekend.
My impression is that he is CHOOSING not to enforce something that is his right- a right that he's been successful at petitioning.
That's not running into a wall, imo. It's, I don't know, perplexing to say the least. Not that he wouldn't make all his kids show at every visitation, but that he'd let it go on for so long.
I'm sure Jon has paid, fought and lost a lot against Kate, being the force of nature that she is. However, the court has deemed that he CAN see his children and afaik, that's never been something he's fought and lost.
I think many of us have been going "huh?" for a LONG time, with Jon saying that he hasn't seen Colin in a year and a half. When Kate splashed the news all over the nation, that Colin is now out of the home, it makes Jon seem ineffectual and out of touch that this particular son was doing this poorly.
By all indications, Jon had no idea about what was happening, and wasn't even considered to intervene and perhaps have Colin try living with him to see if he could affect improvement.
I don't know how a parent, who's living a stone's throw away from his son, doesn't get involved when his son's problems are so bad, he needs inpatient treatment.
Of course, I have no idea if Jon was aware of Colin's lack of progress/deteriorating abilities. If he hadn't spoken about Colin in in forever, I might think maybe he knew, but didn't want to say anything. But Jon's gone public several times about not seeing Colin, and seems to just shrug, like he has no idea why.
That's never made sense to me, and from what I've read, to a lot of other people, too.
If she knew it would have garnered such a negative response she could have blamed it all on Jon, but she can't very well do that now can she?
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I'm not sure what Kate's motivation was (well, I sort of do!), but she is NOT coming out of this latest People fame-grab unscathed.
I've seen more of Robert's book quoted out there than ever before.
RoxyHelen said... 61
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Everything on reality tv is edited to fit a narrative and tell a story. It's not just a film crew with cameras capturing people and then replaying it. It's long hours of getting the things on film that they need to tell the pre-ordained story on each particular episode.
A lot of it is hype and a lot was/is damage control on Kate's show(s).
Pym (#54), nice to see you posting (if you are the real Pym, and not the "pympersonator!").
Yes, we were wondering what Jon meant when he said he was excited about his great new lawyer, or however he put it. So maybe Jon initiated this whole thing and is not at liberty to talk about it?
Watching those ugly moments clips-Kate sure loved to denigrate men and especially Jon on camera, didn't she? I'd kind of forgotten her general disdain for men but those clips brought it back. I remember thinking back that Kate garnered the admiration of a certain group of men-hating women, MsGoody comes to mind. I mean men are useless, other than providing sperm and going off to work to support their families, a huge on in Jon's case. Oh, and doing garage cleaning and painting and building shelves and putting furniture together and keeping the cars gassed up and it's just too damn bad they can't read minds!!
What a nasty, nagging shrew Kate was on those clips.
What judge was that? I remember him commenting about his attorney, but what did he say about a judge and when?
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Yes, it was his attorney. He said she was the best in Berks County. I don't recall him saying anything about a judge.
I remember thinking back that Kate garnered the admiration of a certain group of men-hating women
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She still does. I don't suspect that the women supporting Kate's misandry and her exploitation of her kids are the kind of women who have respect, nor honor, for the aforementioned.
In fact, I've been re-reading passages from Robert's book and what stands out to me is Kate's general dislike-instant dislike-of men with whom she's dealt.
The camera guy was seemingly creepy to her, doing "whatever" in the garage of the home. Yucky boy!
An executive with whom she had to begin working with (for the show) was instantly distrusted to the point where Kate was put off by the suggestion that she and Jon meet with him personally.
Men are constantly belittled, with no regard for them being adults and people in positions which confer respect. Think back on every guide they've had and the New Zealand tower. Think about the highly experienced, mature gentleman who guided their white water rafting trip. Think about Kate's own father and brother.
Beth's husband, Bob, who was SO generous to her!
@Tucker's Mom you know that got me wondering,has Milo ever actually made a tweet with a inspirational quote about all loving fathers out there?I always see her talking about single moms and Kate but i never seen her actually talk about fathers.The only time i ever actually seen her talk about LOM is when there's something he does(like the injured foot)or when she's showing him something about Kate.
I have never read this before in Robert's book and I about freaking lost it! Those poor, abused babies!!!
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Discipline is the Gosselin children’s normal. They get their daily spankings and apparently they love it. Kate went from describing an adorable moment with little Aaden in one sentence right into describing her disciplining him at night before bed.
While she was ‘disciplining’ him she included “and I love you” and she said he looked up at her immediately and said “I love you too.”
Kate said that totally melted her, hearing his little small voice saying I love you as she’s beating him.
I wonder if TFW is feeling the backlash. She hasn't posted anything to Instagram for almost a week. I guess the smoke and mirrors isn't working this time and she's having to remove too many negative Instagram comments. Her whole puppy lover "Collin who?" game isn't working this time.
I also remember how Collin got very thin all of a sudden. He was a sturdy toddler, the biggest tup (or was that Hannnah/ I think Kate asked the dr to re-weigh those two) then he became a ghost of his former self. All the boys were very thin, a stage some kids go though, but it made some of us wonder the cause.
Her whole puppy lover "Collin who?" game isn't working this time.
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Kate's IG puppy- love fest looks so cold and heartless in light of later revelations. There Kate was, waxing on about being there for the birth of her new puppies and giving them all that love and attention and hugs and toys and car rides (which they deserve), while her son is sent away to live in an institution.
That just is wrong on so many levels.
Well halleluiah! TJ's got his sight back!
RoxyHelen said... 61
Wowser said... 35
Just in case we needed a reminder why Jon ran like hell and the kids will be f'd up for life...all because of one shrewish woman who should NEVER have been able to procreate....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=psQ4PU0t7QM
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At 0:41 in the above clip, Jon tells Joel: "Don't touch this, it's Collin's" and in the next moment we see Joel trying to take the toy and Collin crying and shoving Joel. I am almost 100% sure that this particular clip was later used by TLC to exemplify Collin having conflicts with his siblings.
We have seen Collin do a lot of hitting and TLC painted him like the bully but now I'm wondering, how many times was he provoked by siblings who had been specifically told by Jon and Kate to leave him alone?
Also, I have no words for the girls have feelings and boys do not speech. I have never ever, in my whole life, met the mommy of a little boy who talked even remotely that way about her son.
Final thought: also in the above clip, kate says the boys are less verbal and then TLC shows us the boys shrieking on the couch. I am willing to bet 1000$ that cameramen had the boys shriek at that very moment.
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Actually it is commonly known that typically girls are more verbal at a younger age than boys. Of course Khate says it in the most insulting way while piling on other insulting things.
Remember Lilian Glass in one of her mistake riddled posts about Collin and Khate says that Collin is always seen on the show as a bully and violent. I wanted to scream at her that she should have enough knowledge of "reality" TV to know that it's heavily edited and scripted. Those kids were made into characters for godsakes.
From TFW's journal:
I love them and I saw my dad in myself today and that really scares me!!!!!
Often women who are ardent man-haters have had something traumatic happen to them at the hands of a man.
Makes you wonder what her childhood was like. Sounds like beatings weren't out of the question there. Perhaps not her, but even beating the other children could have caused her severe trauma.
She needs heavy duty therapy so badly. I wish that she could see her way to do that. Maybe an in-patient program for her isn't a bad idea.
We have all been exposed to the crazy way TFW treated the 8 kids from the first episode of their "reality show." We all are sure that the extended family was shut out when they began asking questions and giving opinions re: filming and having more children than they could afford. TFW stayed loyal to Jon as long as he was "useful." When his doctor father died, so did the freebies. TFW began to lose interest. Then, first book was published and bam, money magically appeared in the bank. Donations, gift cards, nothing could compare to money from TLC. We all know what has been happening. People come, people go out of the kids' lives. My own daughter said that is a risk you take bringing in new people for your children to become attached to. Then, they disappear from their lives. Damaging to the children. Hope Jon gets back in there to help his own children! What is the excuse now? Seize the day, Jon!
Those kids were made into characters for godsakes.
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At least they weren't turned into an app game a la Diner Dash!
Makes you wonder what her childhood was like. Sounds like beatings weren't out of the question there. Perhaps not her, but even beating the other children could have caused her severe trauma.
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There is speculation and insinuations about that in Robert's book. There's nothing that I know of that comes close to confirming. But, I agree, Kate would benefit tremendously from counseling.
Yes, it's really me at #54.
I took another stab at finding that Jon snippet without luck, but I really don't think i mistook 'attorney' for judge'. I do remember Jon praising his lawyer some time ago, but this was more recent. It did suggest (to me anyway) that he has had some recent success in court. It also suggests to me that the last Tuesday pap photo was a Kate f.u. to Jon and the court. We know there was a reason she staged that, don't we?
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Those kids were made into characters for godsakes.
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At least they weren't turned into an app game a la Diner Dash!
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Though there was talk of making a basic game iirc. The player would have to dress and feed all 8 kids or something like that. Thank God the idea didn't take!
RoxyHelen said... 81
Tucker's Mom said... 78
Those kids were made into characters for godsakes.
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At least they weren't turned into an app game a la Diner Dash!
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Though there was talk of making a basic game iirc. The player would have to dress and feed all 8 kids or something like that. Thank God the idea didn't take!
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The game has a LOT of detailed ideas as far as the concept and play. Kate was gaga over it.
Yay!!!!! Make my kids into whining, pooping, crying brats that everyone can play with and give them meals and diaper changes for YEARS to come!!
@NJGal51 You know,i notice that there are still quite a few fans who keep asking her for an airdate and she is still ignoring them.If October is the real airdate then why is it still not there and why doesn't she announce it on her twitter and pin the tweet to make sure all of her fans know?
BTW, The View's open anchor chair wen to Sarah Haines. She's bright and bubbly and should add some dimension to the crew.
I wonder why not Kate. She was such a natural. Just ask her.
Tucker's Mom said... 62
What leaves me scratching my head is that Jon has said, repeatedly, he gets to see his kids on a schedule, which is something like one evening a week, and every other weekend.
My impression is that he is CHOOSING not to enforce something that is his right- a right that he's been successful at petitioning.
That's not running into a wall, imo. It's, I don't know, perplexing to say the least. Not that he wouldn't make all his kids show at every visitation, but that he'd let it go on for so long.
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I agree. I can see him allowing the kids to"drift away" from him, but surely alarm bells went off at some point , if only when they started missing important holidays like birthdays, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. Perhaps not on the actual day, if that would cause too much conflict, but on some nearby date so they could celebrate with him.
Maybe it's not too late for him to insist that certain days are non-negociable.
Tucker's Mom (#84), there's practically been a revolving door of hosts at The View over the past few years, but no room for TFW. Guess they don't share her lofty opinion of her gift of gab.
This may be a stupid question, but I've been wanting to ask it for awhile. We've all seen that Jon sometimes picks the kids up at the bus stop. If these pick-ups occur on Tuesdays, why not just insist on Alexis going for visitation with the other kids as per the court order?
I haven't seen any photos of him doing that for quite a few years. Wouldn't be surprised if that fell by the wayside long ago.
@NJGal51 You know,i notice that there are still quite a few fans who keep asking her for an airdate and she is still ignoring them.If October is the real airdate then why is it still not there and why doesn't she announce it on her twitter and pin the tweet to make sure all of her fans know?
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I think we called this right. She spoke to someone at the network who said something like, "we're probably looking at at least October at this point," and she spilled the beans telling everyone October when nothing about that was set in stone. I almost feel bad for her, being the slave to whatever whims of a network, having absolutely no control or input in any of this, treated as an afterthought. Treated as a programming decision, not real people. Not my idea of a non-dysfunctional employer-employee relationship. And yet another reason the entertainment industry is NOT easy.
It's odd that the People cover came out and TLC is not capitalizing on the publicity to promote the show. They don't seem to be in any hurry to air it at all. It's also interesting that they filmed so long ago--almost as soon as the last season ended--in such a hurry then they have been sitting on the air dates for months and months. Kate has to be stressed about that. If they aren't airing the shows they already have, then I doubt that they are in any hurry to film even more. There is something more to the story, something we don't know about. Kate even arranged for pap photos, and still no air dates! What does a girl have to do these days to get on TV?
If they aren't airing the shows they already have, then I doubt that they are in any hurry to film even more.
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Weird, tho, that there's been 3 reports of out of state sightings: New Orleans, Chicago and Florida (a week or so ago).
So, not just filming, but very expensive trips and not just following the kids around the compound or Henry's farm.
The Puppy Tales continue.
kateplusmy8First solo car trip with NO kids to sit with her! She's a BIG girl now! #Nanuq #MakStayedHome #HisTurnNext
And of course, Milo must weigh in:
miloandjack2016Awww...what a GRIN! Yours and #Nanuq! You have trained her well...she truly looks happy to be riding w/you! Long ride? And have you taken her INSIDE #PetFriendly stores yet on leash? @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016Lookout boys!! Two beautiful blondes out cruising the roads!! Huh @kateplusmy8 ? 😋
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True, they have been traveling, but there were no reports of filming or a crew during those travels. They may have planned to film in New Orleans, but wasn't there a hurricane or something while they were there? Chicago was the TLC Block Party, and not much was said about Florida. Was that sighting even verified? The kids would have been back in school by then. There are usually reports of them filming, but nothing seen during any of those trips. It's all just very odd.
Layla said... 90
It's odd that the People cover came out and TLC is not capitalizing on the publicity to promote the show.
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Yes, it is so weird that there's no cross-over on this. When every single snippet that is published in People about the Duggars gets put up on TLC's Counting On page. In fact, Kate Plus 8's FB page is nearly devoid of Kate these days---it's all banana splits and helpful household tips, none of which reference Kate at all.
Layla said... 90
It's odd that the People cover came out and TLC is not capitalizing on the publicity to promote the show.
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Sorry. I don't find it "odd" at all. I actually believe the People Cover (& story) was set up with Kate (with or without TLC involvement) to check on & gauge the public's perception of the "Collin situation" and to see if Kate & the kids garner any GOOD interest.
It was & continues to be such an epic failure that there is nothing about it for TLC to use to their programming advantage. I think Kate wanted to do it to prove to TLC she could still be a viable show for them with "interesting" family story lines. Sad but this is my thinking.
miloandjack2016Lookout boys!! Two beautiful blondes out cruising the roads!! Huh @kateplusmy8 ? 😋
Oh, geez, Gladys, get a freaking room!
Am i the only one who notices Jamie has not only been liking alot of Milo's Instagram photos but also commenting on them?I know we love to call milo nuts for believing she knows both Kate and her friends but in the same respect by Jamie even liking and even commenting on the photo it is just feeding into her delusion that Jamie loves her and considers her a friend.The weird thing is that i did try to check some of the other fans pictures and i don't see Jamie liking or commenting on them.Then again some are private so i have no way of knowing if she is.But its just so odd how Jamie is liking almost all of Milo's pictures.
NJGal51 said... 74
Well halleluiah! TJ's got his sight back!
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It's a miracle, I tell you. A true, blue spectacle, a miracle come true (apologies to Manilow). Now he can fight off the clowns when they pinch Barbie's butt trying to get the pizza.`
It was & continues to be such an epic failure that there is nothing about it for TLC to use to their programming advantage. I think Kate wanted to do it to prove to TLC she could still be a viable show for them with "interesting" family story lines. Sad but this is my thinking.
September 6, 2016 at 4:09 PM
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I also think this was carefully crafted to reveal that Colin has been placed in a treatment facility and won't be seen in episodes.
I wonder if TLC still has peeps working with Kate to carefully craft her message. Doesn't seem so.
I can't imagine Laurie Goldberg saying, "You know Kate, what with Colin in an inpatient facility, I think it would be great if you got 2 puppies and acted like they were the center of your universe. Like they make you happier than anything in the world."
Welp, Dawn is pregnant with gay CJ who professed his love for another guy and didn't marry Dawn, but Patty says they never made whoopie:
Patty Parsons @PattyParsonsPat 2h2 hours ago
CJ want dawn have a fraternity test see who baby dad is CJ never slept with her he say I say it's divine pregnancy like baby Jesus
Not only has there been a miracle in West Virginia that cured TJ's blndness, but now we have an immaculate conception. Look for the Christmas Star in the East! I think a fraternity test would clear the whole thing up!
I think a fraternity test would clear the whole thing up
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My guess would be Lambda Chi Alpha..."Oh, Lambda Chi, Chi, dear old Lambda Chi, for all eternity"...A Lifetime of True Brotherhood, or in this case,a Fatherhood.
Maybe some Juggalos took a wrong turn on their way to a convention and that's why there are so many clowns in WV. Whoop! WHoop!
"I almost feel bad for her, being the slave to whatever whims of a network, having absolutely no control or input in any of this, treated as an afterthought. Treated as a programming decision, not real people. Not my idea of a non-dysfunctional employer-employee relationship."
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I absolutely don't feel sorry for Kate. I also no longer feel sorry for Jon. Any empathy I had lapsed for both of them. Karma baby.
My attention, concern, and empathy is solely with their eight minor children for having such misfortune to be born to these two immature "beings". Period.
I'm busy catching up on several days worth of posts. I won't comment on TFMJG or the Collin situation until I've read everything, but I just have to weigh in on the "Church Ladies". I'm with Admin. I think it's a parody. I grew up about 45 miles from where they live. We're not talking "Deliverance" country, folks. Yes, it's rural, it's poor, but it's not isolated. They're within an hour of Marshall Univ., Ohio University, Shawnee State University, Rio Grand College, several other good liberal arts colleges, and 1/2 hour from their state capital Charleston and University of Charleston. Their local schools are decent. I had relatives who lived in similar circumstances in KY, and they didn't talk like this. And that was 40 years ago. Most of the people of my generation (and I'm 68) had the opportunity for higher education. So unless these women are in their 90s, which I doubt, it's a put-on.
I absolutely don't feel sorry for Kate. I also no longer feel sorry for Jon. Any empathy I had lapsed for both of them. Karma baby.
My attention, concern, and empathy is solely with their eight minor children for having such misfortune to be born to these two immature "beings". Period.
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Fair enough. I still think it's pathetic though to watch "talent" have to grovel to the network, or be kept in the dark, or treated poorly. Yes you're famous and make some good money, but is it really worth it when you lose your dignity?
You could instead be a nurse, work for a boss with integrity who respects you, have a fair work schedule and fair pay, and have stability until retirement. And you can be proud to help thousands of people throughout your career. It's just pathetic.
Realitytvkids.com - Admin. said:
"Fair enough. I still think it's pathetic though to watch "talent" have to grovel to the network, or be kept in the dark, or treated poorly. Yes you're famous and make some good money, but is it really worth it when you lose your dignity?
You could instead be a nurse, work for a boss with integrity who respects you, have a fair work schedule and fair pay, and have stability until retirement. And you can be proud to help thousands of people throughout your career. It's just pathetic."
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Yes I agree (I was just being snippy lol). It is pathetic & warrants PITY. We learn that to walk away sometimes from a situation/opportunity is not because we want others to realize our worth & value BUT because WE finally ourselves realize our own worth & value and will no accept less. Of course she will never understand this concept.
As to the second paragraph -- DITTO. She will never understand such motivations & realizations. So sad.
Not only has there been a miracle in West Virginia that cured TJ's blndness, but now we have an immaculate conception. Look for the Christmas Star in the East! I think a fraternity test would clear the whole thing up!
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And there are clowns everywhere! Clowns eating out of garbage cans, clowns falling out of elevators, groping clowns, grinning clowns, menacing clowns, clowns leaving white paint on steering wheels and stealing gas, clowns eating pizza, and probably 100 of 'em climbing out of a VW Beetle! I'm surprised that the CW haven't posted pictures of these guys running around with spritzer bottles.
Yes I agree (I was just being snippy lol). It is pathetic & warrants PITY. We learn that to walk away sometimes from a situation/opportunity is not because we want others to realize our worth & value BUT because WE finally ourselves realize our own worth & value and will no accept less. Of course she will never understand this concept.
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And that's the part that's concerning is what kids might take away from this.
I happen to think kids learn a heck of a lot about adults and work when they are kids. And if they never have a good model of a healthy employer-employee relationship and are never really around an adult working a good, honest job, that could do real damage.
Sad but true (#92), I hope poor Mak won't be holding his doggie breath waiting for that solo car trip. As A, C, and J can tell him, Mom isn't interested in going hither, thither and yon with dirty, icky boys.
Fair enough. I still think it's pathetic though to watch "talent" have to grovel to the network, or be kept in the dark, or treated poorly. Yes you're famous and make some good money, but is it really worth it when you lose your dignity?
You could instead be a nurse, work for a boss with integrity who respects you, have a fair work schedule and fair pay, and have stability until retirement. And you can be proud to help thousands of people throughout your career. It's just pathetic.
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People like Kate and just about every "Real Housewife" count their worth and value in "likes" and tabloid mentions.
Kate's pride comes from being on tv. She's so desperate to stay there, that she's willing to splash her kids' problems, issues and pain across the tabloids.
The sad part is that there are still fans out there who applaud her for doing it.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 109
Sad but true (#92), I hope poor Mak won't be holding his doggie breath waiting for that solo car trip. As A, C, and J can tell him, Mom isn't interested in going hither, thither and yon with dirty, icky boys.
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Milo is right there telling Kate how great she is for "training" the pups. You know, in all the dog training classes I've paid for and worked hard in, putting your dog in a vehicle was never a big milestone to conquer!
Point is, that's NOT training. It's part of socializing your dog to do things that they need to get used to, but training is far more disciplined and involves a great deal of time and patience.
Talk to me after her dogs go through puppy class, at least.
miloandjack2016Are you game to put her in the seat next to you up front? Have to start w/short trips to make sure she stays in her place. Having such a beauty next to you gets some attn. intown driving!! #GuysWhistling. LOL. Just what every #SingleMomWants. right? Haha. @kateplusmy8
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OK, Milo, now you've got to STFU. Dogs do NOT belong in a front seat ever, unless there's some emergency.
Nowadays, you out-of-touch-idiot, cars have passenger airbags and if Kate gets into an accident with the pup in the front seat, the airbag deployment would probably seriously injure or KILL the dog. If the airbag doesn't go off, the dog could hit or go through the windshield.
Seat belts don't help because they are not built for dogs.
The really SICK part is that Milo thinks Kate should put her dog on the front seat to get more attention.
Milo is just like all those numbskulls who drive with their dog on their lap.
Grow up, Milo.
He/She is just getting worse over time. It's pathetic enough that s/he thinks the kids are like furniture, but now she thinks the dogs, like the kids, exist to give Kate more attention.
EXCLUSIVE
Kate Gosselin Writes Letter To Troubled Son Collin: ‘You Have Challenged My Authority’
Radar printed the letter she wrote to Colin in the book, I Want You to Know.
The comments are 99 percent against her and only one said, That is what the belt is for.
Jerk.
GollyGee said... 113
EXCLUSIVE
Kate Gosselin Writes Letter To Troubled Son Collin: ‘You Have Challenged My Authority’
Radar printed the letter she wrote to Colin in the book, I Want You to Know.
The comments are 99 percent against her and only one said, That is what the belt is for.
Jerk.
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Well, one positive thing about Colin being in a treatment facility is that internet access is probably heavily controlled, if allowed at all.
I'm glad he's not in a classroom full of students with smart phones who can make fun of him with every tabloid article put out there, all at his mother's behest.
The comments (17 of them) are not that bad on Radar. I would not be surprised if the same person posted multiple comments.
Having been literally steps away from a hospital door - at my daughters request - I would never ever judge a parent on having to make that decision. It is heart wrenching. Those decisions are made when there is a threat to the person or other people - most likely after other options have been tried.
Tucker's Mom et al...thanks for your loyalty to this blog, and all your insightful comments!
WHERE is Localyokel???
Pennsylvania Dutch Mom?.
Having been literally steps away from a hospital door - at my daughters request - I would never ever judge a parent on having to make that decision. It is heart wrenching. Those decisions are made when there is a threat to the person or other people - most likely after other options have been tried.
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I agree with you that all things considered I would never judge in this situation, and in fact a young man that I nannied for was sent away when he was a junior in high school, and I supported it. It got him on the right track. He's doing great now. It would hurt me deeply to think of a bunch of strangers accusing all of us of doing the wrong thing for him, or "shipping him off". I get it.
Couple things though. That matter with that young man was kept private, not put out there for the public to scrutinize. (And it easily could have been with a simple phone call to the press.) In contrast, Kate chose to talk about it, make numerous odd comments about it like comparing it to sending a child off to college, and continues to make many aspects of her private life public. I think that's all fair game. Plus, we have hours of footage plus her journal that give a heck of a lot of context for her and that boy and how he may have ended up where he is now.
It's not like this is some random celeb who has never put their parenting out there. That would be one thing.
I'll say this, if she made a simple statement saying Collin is residing elsewhere but for his sake and the family's they ask that this be kept a private matter, and thank you for respecting that, then I'm with you, don't judge. But instead she chose to USE the situation for publicity, and throw out bones here and there which only caused more speculation. She put this story on a national magazine's front cover. What?! It's unfair to him, even cruel, and the public has every right to call her out on it, and what's more, question her judgment.
I'm right here..sitting in Wendys eating my chili
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Having been literally steps away from a hospital door - at my daughters request - I would never ever judge a parent on having to make that decision.
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Anyone who watched that show over the years could easily tell that, for whatever reason, she seemed always to single out Collin for her worst behavior. And what's pretty clear from those outtakes is the child did little or nothing (or nothing different or worse than his siblings) to provoke it. So whatever his actual diagnosis, her treatment of him has undeniably been appalling and can only have contributed to his "issues." This is what I (and I think most people who have seen how she behaves) find objectionable. The fact that she then chooses to broadcast this in arguably the biggest tab in the country is just the icing on the cake. Nothing but BIG smiles for Kate Plus 7 on the cover of People. But that's just Kate---anyone who thought she wouldn't use the situation to bring attention to herself clearly hasn't ever seen her show.
. So whatever his actual diagnosis, her treatment of him has undeniably been appalling and can only have contributed to his "issues.
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I agree. Without a doubt. Her treatment and aggressive parenting style with him, all heavily documented in her own writing or on film, contributed or even CAUSED his issues.
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Tucker's Mom et al...thanks for your loyalty to this blog, and all your insightful comments!
WHERE is Localyokel???
Pennsylvania Dutch Mom?.
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Thanks! I've been communicating with some of the brightest, warmest and funniest people here for years, so thanks to Admin as well!
Names have come and gone, but recently, it's been GREAT to see some come back.
Also- of course Kate's decision to admit Colin can't be judged.For any sane mother, it would be heartbreaking. For Kate? Who knows?
She's got a shit-eating grin on the cover of and in People magazine where she's decided to splash the news in fabulous tabloid fashion.
Plus, she's been posting away on IG about her new puppies, seeming beyond elated, giving them more smiles, hugs and love than I've EVER seen her give ONE of her children.
Maybe Kate will shed a crocodile tear when he does her tv promo appearances, but from the tone and words in the People article, she seems unemotional, detached and matter of fact.
What's the word I'm looking for...blasé.
She put this story on a national magazine's front cover. What?! It's unfair to him, even cruel, and the public has every right to call her out on it, and what's more, question her judgment.
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The People cover is minus Colin-cruel.
The People cover has 3 "teasers", one of which is "The reason why Colin, 12, is spending time away"- What? Cruel! Why, why, why???????????
Is Kate's decision to send Colin away the right one? I have no idea and don't question it. But, I do question Kate sensationalizing it, along with the kids not seeing Jon, and putting in print. FOREVER them saying disparaging things about Jon.
That's abuse to me.
Localyocul said... 118
I'm right here..sitting in Wendys eating my chili
September 7, 2016 at 9:23 AM
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OMG, Wendy's chili! I used to go to the Wendy's bar with my co-workers all the time (years ago).
Enjoy!
Is Kate's decision to send Colin away the right one? I have no idea and don't question it. But, I do question Kate sensationalizing
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Right. And I guess what I'm trying to say is the very fact that she has shown such poor judgment in choosing to sensationalize it calls into question whether the decision itself to send him away was a sound one. I don't know, but her surrounding poor decisions sure make it suspect.
Right. And I guess what I'm trying to say is the very fact that she has shown such poor judgment in choosing to sensationalize it calls into question whether the decision itself to send him away was a sound one. I don't know, but her surrounding poor decisions sure make it suspect.
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Sure. Knowing that Kate will stop at nothing to continue filming, people like me get this sick feeling in the pit of their stomach because I think the possibility exists that Kate sent Colin away to continue filming without having to deal with him and his issues.
My sick feeling also makes me wonder if Kate had no choice but to send him, as ordered by the court, based on professional intervention and prescription.
Bottom line is, I don't think Kate has the pure, selfless intentions of a normal mother.
TLC tries to manipulate the viewers into watching their programming. Now, two more puppies with the Gosselins. Of course, some will fall for it. As my husband reminds me, some people care more for their pets than their family. I was told by my allergist to "never get a pet." Hard enough to breathe with all my allergies. Back to the matter at hand. Boycott, please boycott. If people would have done just that years ago when J & K were exposed for the bad parenting, would we still be having the conversations? Admin, any guesses?
Personally, I question everything Kate does when it comes to her children. I don't think Kate puts their best interest ahead of her own.
Kate will take them deep sea fishing even though she KNOWS they get seasick. Because SHE loves going out on the boat. And because the show must go on.
Kate sent Nala and Shoku away because it was best for her. And she only took one back. Didn't care about the dogs or her kids.
I judge Kate as a mother because I've seen her in action and I've read her journal of abuse.
I don't for a second think Kate did what was best for Collin. Unless it was something she was forced to do, per child services or therapist (that she was also forced to take him to see because he got kicked out of school.)
Nothing about Kate shows me her children's best interest comes first.
Also, there's NO way Kate doing the People interview about Collin and cover without Collin was in the best interest of Collin.
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Localyocul said... 118
I'm right here..sitting in Wendys eating my chili
September 7, 2016 at 9:23 AM
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OMG, Wendy's chili! I used to go to the Wendy's bar with my co-workers all the time (years ago).
Enjoy!
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It was good! I forgot about the old chili bar! Luckily it was like winter in the restaurant with the a/c blasting
Plus, she's been posting away on IG about her new puppies, seeming beyond elated, giving them more smiles, hugs and love than I've EVER seen her give ONE of her children.
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She's not going to start breeding dogs for money is she? Oh, please Nooooooooooo!!
RIP Anna Dewdeny..If you haven't read Llama,Llama to your kids and grandkids you need to do it now. She asks in lieu of funeral services, that you read to a child. Classy lady.
All I will say about Colin; I wish someone had sent me away from my narc and nasty father. A place where I wasn't Dumb Shit would have seemed like heaven. Hopefully it is the same for him.
Are the youngest Gosselin kids in 5th grade this year? I feel badly for them when they grow up and don't know how to do things like other kids do. They have no social graces, no hobbies, no sports, no life outside of the compound and no life period. They are extremely immature for their age also. What 12 year old plays with Polly Pockets?
Ha. Tucker's Mom, same thought. Kate's in it for Kate.
It was good! I forgot about the old chili bar! Luckily it was like winter in the restaurant with the a/c blasting
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I used to live getting a baked potato with chili on top, or making a taco salad from the bar.
I make a salad with leftover chili at times now, and put Ranch dressing on top, just like Wendy's.
OK, now I'm going to have to get to a Wendy's!
My sick feeling also makes me wonder if Kate had no choice but to send him, as ordered by the court, based on professional intervention and prescription.
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That has been my feeling since the story first came out. IMO, Kate used the People article as a pre-emptive strike to put HER side of the story out, playing the "woe is me" mother card, and also to put her spin on the reasons for Collin's absence.
Remember, we only have Kate's side of the story.
She just seemed so cold and unattached in her explanation, especially when she said that he had already been isolated from his siblings,(separate school, meals, room, etc.) so it was like they were already used to him not being there. And then she has the nerve to compare it to sending a child off to college.
It was all about HER and how HARD it was for HER.
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RIP Anna Dewdeny..If you haven't read Llama,Llama to your kids and grandkids you need to do it now. She asks in lieu of funeral services, that you read to a child. Classy lady.
All I will say about Colin; I wish someone had sent me away from my narc and nasty father. A place where I wasn't Dumb Shit would have seemed like heaven. Hopefully it is the same for him.
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Yes, I hope that for Colin, he can not only learn how to function to his highest capacity, but will also get help "deprogramming" is mind from Kate's control, and learn to be self-reliant and trust himself and his instincts.
I hope the professionals stay on top of him, like white on rice, if and when he gets sent back to the compound with Kate.
The llama llama books look precious. RIP and what a sweet notion to read a book to your kids in her honor.
And then she has the nerve to compare it to sending a child off to college.
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You know what else is weird about that statement? Yes it's bittersweet when you send your kid off to college but it's also a happy time, a proud time. Besides missing him isn't she worried about him? If I had a child with such difficulties that he had to be sent away I would be beside myself with worry. Worry about his future, worry about whether he would ever be OK, worried if they would ever finalize his "fluid"diagnosis.
Back to the matter at hand. Boycott, please boycott.
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Haven't watched one single clip or show since the she acted like such a monster on the G's Go Green. That was the final bullet to my brain.
Did watch her on DWTS though. Shopping Kart Kate!! We had a blast over on RWA with that stint!
She just seemed so cold and unattached in her explanation, especially when she said that he had already been isolated from his siblings,(separate school, meals, room, etc.) so it was like they were already used to him not being there. And then she has the nerve to compare it to sending a child off to college.
It was all about HER and how HARD it was for HER.
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It was Kate's foisting that notion (that Colin was already not with them much of the time) on the rest of the kids that gave me chills.
Hey, it's not like she ripped Colin away. He was already separated from them, so what's the big deal of him not being there at all?
There's something not right at all with the way Kate spoke about Colin's situation.
You know what else is weird about that statement? Yes it's bittersweet when you send your kid off to college but it's also a happy time, a proud time. Besides missing him isn't she worried about him? If I had a child with such difficulties that he had to be sent away I would be beside myself with worry. Worry about his future, worry about whether he would ever be OK, worried if they would ever finalize his "fluid"diagnosis.
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The only thing Kate is worried about is herself.
I wonder if she is already planning an episode for when(and if) Collin returns--sort of like when they got Shoka back.
Localyocul (#138), and I would also ache for my other 7 children, each of whom is dealing
with this difficult situation in his/her own individual way.
But TFW's reaction to a traumatic family event? Smile for the camera, kiddies, and don't forget
to drive that bus over Daddy!
Whatever was happening with Collin at home, after he was removed from the school, is very likely what Hannah was talking about 18 months ago when she didn't want to go back home to Kate. That's when Jon should have made it his mission to get to the bottom of things. I wonder if Hannah was prevented from seeing Jon for any length of time after this incident. I would be surprised if she was able to resume seeing him immediately. Or maybe visitation was suspended when Jon went to court over this and restored afterward.
Magicians have pretty girls as assistants to help with distracting you. Hey everyone, look at the sequins and great legs! Kate appears to have gotten those dogs for the same reason. Apparently she thinks we will be distracted by all the dog love. Yes I sent away my special needs child but look at the cute dogs with the unusual names! Look at my Instagram!
We can't know for sure if Colin needed to be sent away. But she handled it in such a cold way and we noticed. If Kate didn't want the judgment or scrutiny, she would have stuck with a modest press release, not the cover of People. She just kept talking and talking so they would have quotes. The quotes made her look worse. Then she called a pap for her trip to Target and probably gave that list of "Mady is wearing a navy cotton tee from Old Navy" or whatever it was. And that doggie love is BS. There is no way she is training those dogs or cleaning up after them or walking them or anything other than some pictures.
Obviously we don't know Colin's exact special needs. But I am convinced one of his special needs was love and attention from his mother. He couldn't adapt to living in a home where his mother despised him. Who can blame him?
Yes, I wonder what the four who see Jon, tell him about life with Kate, other than the time Hannah refused to go home because of Collin's treatment. It couldn't have been a one-time punishment of Collin she was talkng about, knowing what we do now?
I wonder if she is already planning an episode for when(and if) Collin returns--sort of like when they got Shoka back.
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Yes! Kate will sit on her basement throne and gloat that she's the best Mommy in the world!
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Exactly, and it's not like they all have to wear black bands on their arms while Colin is gone. But, for heaven's sake, don't keep on making them smile for the cameras and act like they're not going through emotional turmoil!
Kate appears to be happier than I've seen her in years.
Jeanne (#144), I don't buy the doggie distraction either. It all feels so bloody calculated. And there's good soldier Gladys, ready to comment on each post and picture to help with the ruse.
Don't you wonder where all that moony, gooey, puppy love was when TFW had Jon load Shoka and Nala into the truck years ago? And when she only allowed one dog to return?
http://www.discoversevenstars.com/kate-gosselin-speaks-child-and-youth-mental-health/?utm_content=36951198&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Here's a residential treatment program using Colin to troll for business.
I think they should read Kate's journal and watch a few episodes before they invoke Kate Gosselin as a fellow caring parent who admits their child to inpatient care.
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Kate appears to be happier than I've seen her in years.
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True, she's grinning like an idiot in all the IG photos she's posted that include her. We know he's been a thorn in her side almost since birth, so she's undoubtedly much happier with him gone. Maybe this will enable her to be a "better mommy" to the 7 left at home. I'm sure that's written into a script somewhere.
Don't you wonder where all that moony, gooey, puppy love was when TFW had Jon load Shoka and Nala into the truck years ago? And when she only allowed one dog to return?
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Or when Nala and Shoka escaped the compound, were running around loose on a country road, while Kate drove off for hours.
Or when the dogs ran miles away and Kate waited until she could get a grifted Invisible Fence (planned to film, of course) instead of remedying the problem immediately with her own plentiful cash.
True, she's grinning like an idiot in all the IG photos she's posted that include her
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And that's where I feel like this is nothing like your typical family problem situation where it's best to stay out of it, give them their privacy and not have an opinion.
I'm persuaded that a big part of her takes glee in the fact that she has a "storyline" in Collin's problems to make a profit off of, get some publicity out of. There is something so fundamentally off about that, really really sick. And I think the public should say so as much as they like.
Milo's tweeting platitudes again. She tweeted this with an attached platitude card:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 3h3 hours ago
#SendingGoodVibes Checking in 2say HI...and remind you what an awesome Mom you are! 8kids/3furbabes! ❤ @Kateplusmy8
The platitude says:
"You never know what someone is going through. A few nice words can help a person a lot more than you think."
Hey Milo--too bad Kate didn't use that platitude when it came to how she treated Collin. Maybe if he had received some nice words and encouragement from his mother rather than being told what a problem he was, he wouldn't be in the predicament he is in now.
But then you have no sympathy for what HE has gone though and is going through now. You only care for what you imagine Kate has gone through.
She also tweeted a picture from her "office". If she has a job, how does she have all the time to search for platitudes, post on Kate's IG, post on her own IG, plus tweet?
Oh wait--maybe that is her job, or at least she thinks it is.
Well I am a part of the public who told P magazine what I thought of her and it wasn't pretty. She doesn't fool me or a lot of other people. If her kids have problems she can thank her decision to film them on reality tv. MOST of the population of the world knows not to do that to our children, so who's the real idiot, Kate?
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Well I am a part of the public who told P magazine what I thought of her and it wasn't pretty. She doesn't fool me or a lot of other people. If her kids have problems she can thank her decision to film them on reality tv. MOST of the population of the world knows not to do that to our children, so who's the real idiot, Kate?
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And worst of all? She's doing most of it IN THEIR HOME. I cannot imagine having NO safe haven in my life. They're probably relieved when school starts every year, they know there will be no cameras and no Mommy drama in at least one place they spend time.
And worst of all? She's doing most of it IN THEIR HOME. I cannot imagine having NO safe haven in my life. They're probably relieved when school starts every year, they know there will be no cameras and no Mommy drama in at least one place they spend time.
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I have to give kudos to Jon for being consistent about his home and his custody time being camera free. He seems to manage to take them out and about without "panic" and interacts with fans while still protecting the kids.
Jon's Twitter pics of the kids are few and far between, and pretty innocuous.
Just watched a few of the "ugly moments" Holy F**k I can not I believe I actually watched those shows she is an absolutely awful human being. Jon already looks checked out in the early shows and those poor kids.... I guess hindsight really is 20/20 :(
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Jeanne said... 144
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Yes, I wish we had "Like" buttons!
Fired Up 4 Kate
@MiloandJack
@GeeWhiz__ @Kateplusmy8 Truly delusional for #Haters to think Kate would waste $$ to buy followers! Shows how they DON'T KNOW HER! #Crazies
There is NO other explanation for how she gained 70K+ followers pretty much overnight. None. You're the crazy, Milo, for thinking you can convince anyone with half a working brain otherwise. If she's not spending the money herself, her manager or "bodyguard" or TLC or YOU are. It's all the same.
I went out to do some shopping today, and couldn't help but notice that this week's People magazine is definitely selling better than the one with the Gs on the cover. And nobody had placed other magazines in front of them, even though it had Rob Kardashian and Blac Chyna on it. But yes,the racks were definitely more depleted this week. Last week? Not at all.
While waiting in a long line, I took the opportunity to read the "letters to the editor" or whatever they call it. There was one pro-kate letter, and it was the same formula her fans always follow. Basically, that it's so hard to raise one or two kids, imagine what it would be like raising 8, and as a single mother, she's so organized, blahblahblah. And the negative one said she should not have shared Collin's troubles--what should be a private family matter--in such a public way.
Well, my thought is… if having more than 1 or 2 kids makes you a candidate for sainthood, then I get to be a saint, too. I have more than 1 or 2 kids, therefore anything I say or do is above reproach. Isn't that how it works? Now where's my halo?
Fired Up 4 Kate
@MiloandJack
@GeeWhiz__ @Kateplusmy8 Truly delusional for #Haters to think Kate would waste $$ to buy followers! Shows how they DON'T KNOW HER! #Crazies
There is NO other explanation for how she gained 70K+ followers pretty much overnight. None. You're the crazy, Milo, for thinking you can convince anyone with half a working brain otherwise. If she's not spending the money herself, her manager or "bodyguard" or TLC or YOU are. It's all the same.
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She's nuts. Someone should ask Milo if Kate has all those thousands of followers why they didn't support her and buy her cookbook!
Someone bought those followers. Has Gladys adopted the "Katespeak" and claims that Kate didn't buy the followers. This, of course, doesn't mean someone else didn't buy them for her!
And, of course, Milo KNOWS HER! Sigh. She doesn't know Diddly Squat.
Milo thinks that all of the People magazines sold out because Kate was on the cover, and she calls the non-fans delusional! For all we know, the convenience store where she lives only had ten copies and were purchased because readers are faithful weekly buyers and enjoy reading all of the articles, NOT because of the sole interview with her love interest!
Is it lonely in her little fantasy world? I hope she has a good supply of Rumspringa in there with her.
This is the person who i was referring to who randomly attacks this one Kate critic who rarely saids anything about Kate Gee Whiz @GeeWhiz__ 1h1 hour ago
@Kateplusmy8 Your haters are scary crazy. Hey @TLC @TLC_PR hope you're monitoring Kate's timeline cuz there are so many attacking wackos!
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The Church Ladies and the parody. I'm not so sure it's a parody as much as it is that they are simply having fun with each other and doing some leg pulling. I do believe, however, that this is the way they talk and spell. They are really consistent with their misspellings and seem to keep it all "straight" when it comes to their phrasing and grammatical errors.
Milo thinks that all of the People magazines sold out because Kate was on the cover, and she calls the non-fans delusional! For all we know, the convenience store where she lives only had ten copies and were purchased because readers are faithful weekly buyers and enjoy reading all of the articles, NOT because of the sole interview with her love interest!
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I was actually thinking when she said that does she think that's all the magazines the store has? Like most stores they probably put out 3-4 on the rack at a time and stash the rest of the box in back. It could have just been an issue of not getting around to restocking the shelf yet with the 40 other copies they have.
She was funny thinking it meant anything at all, much less that it was selling like hotcakes. That's like assuming mushrooms are selling like crazy just because the mushroom basket is empty. For all you know the person re-stocking got caught up with some other things and is about to come out and restock all the produce right now from all of the pounds of them they have in the back. Usually if you just ask someone who works there, they'll go get you some and restock.
What's actually "scary crazy" here---or should be, for Kate---is that besides the porn links that populate her Twitter, she's only got about 4 defenders and 6 haters on her TL on an average day. In other words, people just don't pay much attention to her anymore. Not a happy state of affairs for a blue-checkmark-verified fame-whore.
I think I remember it's Rob Kardashian and pregnant China on the cover this week, and that story is huge. I wouldn't be surprised if that one sells.
I used to think the Kardashians are a bunch of jokers, but even I have to admit this Rob thing is kind of interesting. So he's having a baby with this chick whose ex is dating his sister. And I think she and that ex even have a child together, so his sister is acting as a step-mom figure to that child and all the drama that entails. At one point sister and China hated each other but now have made up, though no one believes they really made up. This was probably all cooked up by Kris for publicity, and to that I say, by George she still has it.
I just don't understand people (like Milo and the fan who wrote the letter to People magazine) who equate your parenting with the number of kids you have. Is someone with 6 kids automatically a better mother than another person with 2? What a ridiculous notion! Quantity of children does not equal quality of parenting.
I just don't understand people (like Milo and the fan who wrote the letter to People magazine) who equate your parenting with the number of kids you have. Is someone with 6 kids automatically a better mother than another person with 2? What a ridiculous notion! Quantity of children does not equal quality of parenting.
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That bothers me too and I'd also love to know how many kids is required before you start getting a free pass. Four? Five? Do you have to have at least some multiples in there too to get it or are singletons okay?
@Kateplusmy8 Your haters are scary crazy. Hey @TLC @TLC_PR hope you're monitoring Kate's timeline cuz there are so many attacking wackos!
LOL!! Like TLC is Kate's personal Twitter security and it's their job to rid it of haters. That's really funny (and stupid to even tweet that)!
We called it on the puppies. When she first started up on that, we said it was a cover for something, we just didn't know what. To be patient and whatever it is will reveal itself shortly.
And so it did.
I also think that she doesn't understand that most moms would be sad that it came to removing the child from the home and would be talking about how terribly much she misses him. And how much the kids miss him and can't wait for him to return home.
Maybe a photo or two of her and the kids looking pensive. Not photos of her and the remaining kids giddily laughing cuz they're gonna be on teevee again.
She thinks that because she herself is happy to be rid of the problem child (you know how camps are to give the parents a break...this is even better...it's permanent camp)she thinks that other moms will think like she does and be happy the trouble-maker is gone.
No self awareness. Whatsoever.
GollyGee, this one's for you
To the tune of "One Less Bell To Answer"
(with apologies to Marilyn McCoo):
"One less tup to answer
One less brat to rear
One less boy to pick up after
I sure am happy
There were way too many here."
I just remembered this story from last year. This mother accepted her special needs son for who he is, and the outcome was he grew up and became a lawyer:
Weber said she was able to work with her son because she let go of the idea of a perfect child.
“In doing that, sometimes we have to embrace our own childhood griefs, then you are able to embrace the child you have,” Weber told KPBS Midday Edition on Monday.
http://www.kpbs.org/news/2015/jun/08/new-san-diego-lawyer-has-autism-plans-practice-spe/
It doesn't seem like Mak ever gets on her bed. Or is she so infatuated with Nanuq because their hair is the same color?
kateplusmy8My baby girl sleeps....and smiles. 😍Goodnight everyone! Kids, dogs and bird all tucked in for the night! #Nanuq
Sad but true (#176), that tweet was gagworthy, even for TFW. I'm sure Gladys will respond and help the puppy love spin control.
The only thing wrong with the Norman Rockwell vision is that only 7 of her kids are tucked in.
Another "Monster Mom" piece up on Radar. I'm sure TFW has more doggie pictures at the ready to counteract it. Because if there's one thing to take the bad taste out of people's mouths about you beating your children, one of whom you claim has special needs, it's an adorable puppy photo.
@Mel Truthfully speaking when Kate 1st came out with the puppies i believed that she was desperate for another story line.In fact in an old clip and tweet,Kate did talk about breeding Shoka.I thought with all the puppy pictures it was her trying to spark interest.Note,even though you're probably right about the puppy thing being Kate covering up Collin,i would be shocked if there isn't a puppy birth episode.
I remember I was chocked when I read about Mady's black rotten tooth- Kayt made a big to-do about Jon doing a poor job helping the kids with toothbrushing on the dentist visit show. But surely most mothers would notice something that obvious and painful.
Mady's stomach pains were also ignored as were her moods of not being happy.( the latter mentioned at Dutch Wonderland) The only solution TFW came up with was The Spanker. And she insulted that girl all the time. I don't like how Mady has presented herself and spoken lately, but she had a difficult childhood for sure.
The only thing wrong with the Norman Rockwell vision is that only 7 of her kids are tucked in.
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The optics just get worse and worse. It's great to love your dogs, but my God, Colin is just a mention in a tabloid magazine at this point. Kate is just showering dogs with love and affection that her kids never got.
Kate just doesn't get it. How about, "and we miss Colin! Good night to you too!".
Poor kid. I can't imagine seeing my mother going gaga over her new puppies while I was sent out of the home, whether he's doing well there or not. Kate's public displays of over-the-top happiness and ecstasy over her new dogs would have to hurt!
Formerly Duped (#180), I've mentioned before that I thought one of TFW's worst offenses was talking so candidly about M on the show. Once she said something like, M needs wheelbarrows full of approval, and, "Never give up on M." That's something you confide in to a best friend, or a child's teacher, or counselor. You don't share that with the entire world.
I think that was the episode when TFW was kind enough to expound on her children's shortcomings
(sure, "sneaky" and "stubborn" were helpful, but it didn't give us the whole picture). And she said some woman would fall in love with J for his good looks, and then find out that he was totally clueless. I didn't need Sigmund Freud to tell me she was comparing her son to her husband. And
I'm afraid that's why those poor boys have suffered so greatly, and will continue to suffer.
Admin...175...Weber said she was able to work with her son because she let go of the idea of a perfect child.
“In doing that, sometimes we have to embrace our own childhood griefs, then you are able to embrace the child you have,”
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This post really rang a bell for me, Admin. When my son was diagnosed with a catastrophic illness as an infant, I had to essentially bury and grieve the child of my dreams, then accept him for who he was, as he was, then carry on with loving him and living our lives.
I don't get the feeling of loss or acceptance from Kate, instead I sense dissatisfaction and dismissal. I find that very, very disturbing.
Fade2black (#183), I'm always happy to see you here.
Bless your heart for your struggles with your child. You had courage and insight, which are sorely lacking in TFW. Rather than adapting her expectations, it seems like C has always been considered "less than" in his mother's eyes.
And I think he's a perceptive enough little soul to have sensed her constant disappointment and disapproval.
I don't get the feeling of loss or acceptance from Kate, instead I sense dissatisfaction and dismissal. I find that very, very disturbing.
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Me too. And what the other mother was saying about embracing her own childhood griefs. I don't think Kate has done that either. I think some of her complaints are without merit, but regardless, they cut HER deeply. She is an adult now though and it's her responsibility to work through those issues so she can move on and be a better parent to the children.
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The only thing wrong with the Norman Rockwell vision is that only 7 of her kids are tucked in.
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The optics just get worse and worse. It's great to love your dogs, but my God, Colin is just a mention in a tabloid magazine at this point. Kate is just showering dogs with love and affection that her kids never got.
Kate just doesn't get it. How about, "and we miss Colin! Good night to you too!".
Poor kid. I can't imagine seeing my mother going gaga over her new puppies while I was sent out of the home, whether he's doing well there or not. Kate's public displays of over-the-top happiness and ecstasy over her new dogs would have to hurt!
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Hopefully, wherever Collin is now, it's a Kate-free zone. So he won't have to see or hear her hurtfulness.
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Of course the gushing sickophant just can't stay away:
miloandjack2016 Oh heavens #PreciousPuppyPaws!! Which ones do we KISS FIRST! Front or back?? LOL. She looks so innocent when sleeping doesn't she? @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 Does she stay pretty still most of the nite? Before long as she stretches out she will claim most of your bed? Haha...could you ever have foreseen yourself w/this future?? #SoCute @kateplusmy8
"How many times does she turn over at night? How many times do you wake up to kiss her? Does she snore in your ear? Did you ever think you would love a dog more than one of your kids?" The questions are endless, but never the right ones.
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I remember that episode, ugh. I agree she was comparing Joel with Jon. I always though little Joel would be her least favorite of the boys-reminding her of Jon, his preferring Jon to her, sending him away from the flagcake-making etc, scolding him for trying to hide his wet underwear, rather than commending him on changing himself, being vomitous, laundry room-gate, glazed expression, lisp, icky in general.But now she sings his praises and Collin whom I gather was feistier than the other boys plus having a fluid diagnosis...that's how THAT turned out.
Wow, Duggars down 200K viewers this week, to 911K. TLC must be freaking out. And they know that K8 ain't gonna make this problem go away.
Sad but true (#186), do Shoka and Mak have their
own "mancave," so they don't get on TFW's nerves while she's making out with Nookie Schmookie? Seems all the male Gosselin family members are left out in the cold. Sometimes literally.
I've been thinking about this for the past week or so. In the article, she states that his diagnosis is "fluid". Correct me if I'm wrong, but austism is a concrete diagnosis with varying degrees.
The reason I bring this up, is my son has a behaviour related diagnosis of anxiety (with a bit of ADHD). The one thing that stands out to me, is his doctor saying that the diagnosis can change as he ages (as well as the behaviour). So, in a sense, it's "fluid".
So, I've basically come to the conclusion that she sent him away because she doesn't want to do the work required to help him. And it is work. He's not "special needs", he's behaviourially and emotionally challenged (or as my son's doctor has said, his emotional maturity isn't aligned with his chronological age), and I think those are 2 very different things.
I don't know - something doesn't add up. And I'm not trying to stir up any controversy, just thinking out loud.
And like most mothers, I would be BEREFT if my 12 year old son was sent away. I would be sick with worry, wondering how he was coping on a daily basis.
Formerly Duped (#187), I thought the same thing about J being the permanent scapegoat. I also remember TFW referring to him as "the forgotten tup."
I haven't had time to read all of the comments. Sorry if points seem scattered, but I really don't have time to be posting this. That being said I have multiple family on the autism scale, on the anger management scale due to divorce or ptsd. I have a special needs child. Here are a few of my observations (I really need to read all of the comments to make thorough comments -- but I'm busy.)
1. Both parents were in the children's lives until about 2 or more years ago - neither parent gets a pass.
2. The "paparazzi" if you want to call it that - interviewed Jon the night before Kate had her 'paparazzi' photo her outside Target. Nothing said.
3. Jon has been talking about how he doesn't see his kids - and not knowing why - for months. Cara and Mady finally said what we all have been saying.... Jon knows why.
4. Everyone says wait until Mady and Cara are 18 to write a book about Kate. Well they are almost 16 and saying that their dad knows why they don't want to see them.
5. When you have a special needs child, it is very important to keep everything on schedule. Mainly because the child and family need to keep functioning on track. There is no need to show doom and gloom .... you keep rolling with the punches. Life goes on with the bumps in the road. I know many of you will boo hoo about this, but having experience in this area it is crucial not just for the child but for the family member.
6. Dogs are used for therapy for special needs patients and family members.
7. A medical need is required to impatient a person, and the family is involved.
8. Since shooling seems to be a stressor for
Collin, perhaps that it why he was sent to wherever he is --- hence, the going away to college comment. Also, especially with children, sometimes it is easier to process such a traumatic move, in terms that you can relate to.
9. Unless it is your own flesh and blood (referring to the comment made by admin earlier), you really don't know how gut wrenching it is.
10. Yes, many, many people on here are judging Kate's decision. I don't care if she put it out in public -- if Collin is benefiting from it, then that is wonderful.
11. I don't see many people commenting that Jon's previous actions may have caused some of these problems with his kids. Mainly, when he said that he said something to the effect that he wanted Kate to die. I'm sure the kids saw that, since he has said that they are on the internet.
I agree Nicky. We have him on tape as being on par developmentally he has emotional/behavioral issues and she is trying to couch it for symapthy
Nicky (#190), thanks for your personal insight into this. I appreciated your thoughtful comment.
I think a lot of us, based on concrete evidence of TFW's actions and reactions, are feeling like this decision for C was based on her lack of effort.
It must be a heartbreaking decision for a parent to exhaust every viable option, and come to this painful choice -- having the child leave the home. Yet there is not a cell in my body that believes TFW exhausted every viable option. Or even any viable option.
. Jon has been talking about how he doesn't see his kids - and not knowing why - for months. Cara and Mady finally said what we all have been saying.... Jon knows why.
4. Everyone says wait until Mady and Cara are 18 to write a book about Kate. Well they are almost 16 and saying that their dad knows why they don't want to see them.
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They're lack of ANY specifics about what exactly it is about their father that's so terrible, and adult-like phrases like "he knows the reason why", "toxic", etc., are CLASSIC signs of parental alienation. Just classic. Eventually they will realize they have been alienated, and will be damaged and resentful about it, make no mistake.
. When you have a special needs child, it is very important to keep everything on schedule. Mainly because the child and family need to keep functioning on track.
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I don't poo poo this. I completely agree! Don't you think then that the entertainment industry couldn't be worse for a child with special needs? There are few jobs as inconsistent as being an actor or reality star and bound to the whims of a production company and a shooting schedule.
I'd be just shocked if his service providers thought that lifestyle was good for him.
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So, I've basically come to the conclusion that she sent him away because she doesn't want to do the work required to help him.
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Bingo. She has way more time on her hands than most single SAHMs, and we see how she spends it. Taking endless photos of her new "babies" and deleting all the negative IG comments as they appear. Or maybe she hires someone to do that. Either way, she is more or less perfectly positioned to deal with this at home, but she has CHOSEN not to. She'd like to say it's for the sake of her other kids, but that's really not believable to me. The other kids never treated Collin as a pariah on the show (well, no more than any other icky boy), SHE was the one who always had a problem with him.
Thanks for sharing your own story, sounds like you've made hard but sound choices for your child.
Unless it is your own flesh and blood (referring to the comment made by admin earlier), you really don't know how gut wrenching it is.
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So adoptive parents or other people who love a child not theirs don't feel their heart ripped out over a child sent off? Trust me, my heart ripped out of my chest for 10 long months. I was scared to death I was going to get a phone call he ran away from placement and was dead. Please don't tell me I don't really "feel" that.
I take issue with this comment. It's offensive.
And the sad thing is a bunch of strangers seem to be far more heartsick over Collin than his own mother, who thinks this is akin to sending him off to Cal State LA. You really can't convince me after she put him out there to the wolves that she is actualy putting him first. Not gonna happen. The fact that the end RESULT of her decisions for him might end up being what's best for him (being out of the home) doesn't meant her motivations are at all genuine in any manner of speaking. And therapy dogs? You're kidding, right?
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 192
. Jon has been talking about how he doesn't see his kids - and not knowing why - for months. Cara and Mady finally said what we all have been saying.... Jon knows why.
4. Everyone says wait until Mady and Cara are 18 to write a book about Kate. Well they are almost 16 and saying that their dad knows why they don't want to see them.
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They're lack of ANY specifics about what exactly it is about their father that's so terrible, and adult-like phrases like "he knows the reason why", "toxic", etc., are CLASSIC signs of parental alienation.
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The twins have said NOTHING meaningful that would indicate just what Jon has done to them, said to them, or said about them. Mady strings vague words together into phrases that have no meaningful content. She has yet to state ONE declarative sentence about her problem with Jon.
Mady has made oblique statements that skew negative, and frankly, are quite nasty in tone. So, yeah, I get she's pissed at Jon and wants badly to hate him in order to cope.
She is a very immature 16-year old. She thinks she's 16 going on 30, but emotionally, she is stunted, probably around the time her parents marriage fell apart. Well, maybe around when the tups were born.
Kate and Kate Coyne think the sun rises over Mady because she's so "truthy", but the plain fact is that she's an emotional basket case and this will play out for many years to come, and maybe the rest of her life.
Ironically, that comment you're talking about when Jon was upset with Kate and used an EXPRESSION to just go die?
That was in response to Kate exploiting her children. Here's the full sentence: She can "go out and talk about the kids anytime she wants . . .She can go and f---ing die."
Really is ironic that that is the whole point we're trying to make, how bad it is Kate talks about her children the way she does. Jon seems to agree, and for some if not all of the children, it's going to be helpful someday to know he was not okay with any of this. Oh and also in the same breath, Jon was upset because Kate wouldn't let him speak to his children. I'd tell my ex to go jump off a cliff too and put the damn kids on the phone. Context matters.
Not gonna happen. The fact that the end RESULT of her decisions for him might end up being what's best for him (being out of the home) doesn't meant her motivations are at all genuine in any manner of speaking. And therapy dogs? You're kidding, right?
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I think we can all agree that Colin may be exactly where he should be, and maybe, he should have been there long before this.
The puppies sound like they are Kate's new babies and she is like a giddy little girl with her first pony. It just doesn't track with what's happening with Colin.
I think her IG frenzy showing her mad crush on her puppies is a bit odd. Of course, so is Kate.
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