But do today's generation even care that much about getting their driving license? It was different for us (I'm in my early forties). WE didn't have phones, internet, etc., so a license meant freedom to hang with our friends. Most young people I know are not even interested in getting their license until they are well into their 20's. Milo is out of touch
Think maybe you are out of touch. Mom of 3 teens. Two which drive. All of their friends got their license ASAP. I don't know any teens that haven't.
But do today's generation even care that much about getting their driving license? It was different for us (I'm in my early forties). WE didn't have phones, internet, etc., so a license meant freedom to hang with our friends. Most young people I know are not even interested in getting their license until they are well into their 20's. Milo is out of touch
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I agre,e Milo is out of touch, which is yet another reason I'm not sure I believe she has teens. In recent years I've yet to find a single teen who blabbed on and on about getting their driver's license or was first in line. In fact most teens I know have delayed getting their license 6, even 12 months or more after they were eligible. I did ask a couple of them why they waited and they both said I'm scared to. They were boys, too. They didn't elaborate and I didn't press the issue and embarrass them.
I do think you have hit the nail on the head that it's at least partly because they are so connected already, they don't crave the connection that a license brought our generations because they already have that. I also think the helicopter generation plays a role, with kids being raised to be much more tied to the apron strings and reluctant to take on such a big responsibility.
It could be financial too. They would rather spend the money on iPhones and goPros than all the costs of car ownership many parents will require them to contribute at least in part to. My how things have changed.
Think maybe you are out of touch. Mom of 3 teens. Two which drive. All of their friends got their license ASAP. I don't know any teens that haven't.
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Shrug. As i've just posted, I found exactly the opposite. Exactly the opposite.
It could be demographics as well, I suppose. Both Kate and I live in quite wealthy communities where every kid has an iPhone and nannies to shuttle them around. There is no need for a license.
I agre,e Milo is out of touch, which is yet another reason I'm not sure I believe she has teens. ****** I'm convinced she doesn't after her comment about kids getting their license and driving on their 16th birthday. She has no idea about the licensing process these days. Back when I turned 16, you went for your test and got your license. No permit or required hours with a licensed driver of a certain age.
Hmmmmmm, over 11K views on the #NookiePookie video but less than 30 comments. I guess if you're going to buy views you should go the extra mile and buy some comments to make the view count a little more believable.
When my son turned driving age we were stationed in AZ (Ft. HUachuca). He couldn't wait to drive because there's no mass transit available and nothing was within walking (or bike riding) distance. I guess it depends on where you live as to whether or not you want that license. Me? I didn't need to drive in New Jersey/New York and didn't even learn until I was married and living in Germany. Maybe Milo's kids were dying to get their licenses to escape her.
I got my license at 18. I had friends and an older brother who drove. I didn't have a car and had no means of buying one. We didn't buy kids their own cars back in the day, so my access was pretty limited. When I got the urge, I pulled the trigger. Otherwise, there was always a ride, or my bike.
I know an almost 17-year-old girl who uses Uber regularly to go out and do things with her friends. She's taken driving lessons, but is in no hurry to get her license. Her parents even have an old car she'll be able to drive, but she's not ready to pay insurance, gas, maintenance, etc.
My experience matches Admin's. My sister, who is about 10 years younger than me, had no interest in getting her license. Dad had to practically force her to learn before she graduated high school so she could drive herself to college.
My nephew was a senior before he got his license and my niece is about to turn 17 and is just going to get her learner's permit.
Kids care more about social media now. The are happy to stay at home as long as they have their school friends up on whatever the app of the day is.
I also don't think Kate is going to let Cara and Mady out driving on their own for quite a while and they know it. What is the point in getting a license if all you can do is drive around the compound.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 7 I know an almost 17-year-old girl who uses Uber regularly to go out and do things with her friends ****** Uber age is 18 minimum. I guess they're not getting "carded" ;-) I think Uber is GREAT for younger adults who go out and drink etc. It saves lives and nobody needs to be the DD!
I'm convinced she doesn't after her comment about kids getting their license and driving on their 16th birthday. She has no idea about the licensing process these days.
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That seals the deal for me. Most if not all states have a complicated licensing process these days, logging hours, probationary periods, and even classes. She would know that if she had or were at least around teens.
Even when I was a teen there was an extensive and involved probationary period. You can't just turn 16 and show up at the DMV and you're licensed.
I don't think I was licensed until six months after I was 16, even though I was diligent about pursuing it. It takes time to log the hours.
Milo's only point of reference is when she was 16, you knock on the door of the DMV take a test and they hand you the license.
When I got my license at sixteen, eons ago I had to first get a learner's permit at 15 1/2. When sixteen, I took the tests, written and driving, and got my license. No knocking on the DMV door and getting a license.
I forgot to mention, drivers ed was offered at the high school. It was either drivers ed or a driving school. No drivers ed, or diving school, no license.
Yeah, I was in my 20s when I got my license too. I lived in a big city with great public transport. As I worked 12 hour shifts as a RN I was so tired when off I was happy to just relax on the subway or bus instead of battling traffic. But later when I moved to the burbs and had kids I needed to drive. As a parent you automatically become a chauffeur to all those games, practices, play dates, lessons. Or at least most parents...
I forgot to mention, drivers ed was offered at the high school. It was either drivers ed or a driving school. No drivers ed, or diving school, no license.
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I grew up in New York and I don't recall it being a requirement to get a license. But, it did drastically lower insurance rates and did a good job with teaching kids the ropes of driving, so in my house, it was required.
Therefore, I had to wait for the driver's ed class to happen, which was only twice a year. My birthday fell in the middle of the second year's session, so I had to wait until next school year, an eternity for a 16 year old.
Milo really would know of all these delays and hiccups if she had kids.
I never took drivers ed, but I had older friends who taught me. Maybe my mom or dad took me around a parking lot? Not sure. I just remember driving around my neighborhood with friends. I was a bit tentative about driving , really. I remember being a bit freaked out the first time I was driving a car all alone. It felt sooooooo weird!
I'm sure Milo has kids, a 20 yr old boy and 17 yr old girl, as she says. She recently IG'd a picture of a young man behind the wheel of a car, comparing his good driving with his sister's not so good driving.
@Deliverence That picture that milo uploaded is an old picture.I remember her tweeting that picture to Kate and saying something to Kate like"Soon you'll be riding in the backseat like me."As for mady and cara driving,honestly if Kate's the mother we believe her to be and that she wants to control and film the kids until they're 18 then wouldn't letting mady and cara drive at their age give them freedom and they'd rather hang out with their friends then film.Unless Kate tries to bribe them.
Milo really would know of all these delays and hiccups if she had kids. _____
I think driving rules and regs are much more liberal in the South. For example, one of the Duggars recently got his learner's permit---at 14! And I've read of plenty of places where a permit can be obtained at 15. So I don't think this means Milo doesn't have kids.
I believe that the permit age limit may be around 15 down south. Even if it is not, sometimes people say things as a joke. There is no need to jump all over Milo.
Having kids of this age, I can say, some are ready to drive and some are not. Even with the availability of public transportation and social media, kids in my area are jumping to get there license. You can tell by the HUGE backlog in scheduling testing dates, and by seeing the packed school parking lots.
Drivers Ed is not required to get your drivers license; however, it is offered through some schools.
Kids in our area LOVE using UBER. Yes, people use UBER when for a night out, but in my area it is a balanced use of UBER. I believe the person scheduling the UBER ride needs to be over 18 years of age. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to use it when traveling with my youngest son.
In my opinion, having taught "multiples" to drive, my advice to Kate would be to hire a drivers ed service. Depending on the driver trainee, the stress level can be very hieght for the trainee and trainer.
I don't understand the need to jump on Milo ALL of the time. Relax :)
Or at least most parents... ***** Kate isn't about to enroll the kids in enrichment activities. How would she find time to fake bake and spa? Oh, wait! How did you raise children and own a car on a nurse's salary? ;-)
In my opinion, having taught "multiples" to drive, my advice to Kate would be to hire a drivers ed service. Depending on the driver trainee, the stress level can be very hieght for the trainee and trainer. ***** I have no doubt that Kate has that pitched as an episode, if it hasn't been filmed already.
I don't understand the need to jump on Milo ALL of the time. Relax :) ****** Understand that Milo doesn't suck some of the time, but my bet is that she wouldn't spit on any of us if we were on fire. She gets as good as she gives.
Admin (11) said ... I don't think I was licensed until six months after I was 16, even though I was diligent about pursuing it. It takes time to log the hours.
Milo's only point of reference is when she was 16, you knock on the door of the DMV take a test and they hand you the license.
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In PA you can show up at the DMV on your 16th Birthday and take the learners test. You pass the computerized test and then you receive your permit. The driving requirements come after you receive your permit.
The girls turned 16 on Saturday, and if they had the medical form completed they could have legally taking the permit test that day.
I helped my niece learn to drive a few years ago. In her friend group, they got their permits almost right away but getting the actual license was really staggered. So many factors with getting the hours of practice and paying for everything.
Berks County has only one DMV office in Shillington. It is quite busy and a pain to go to. You can make an appt for the permit test. I don't know how far out they're booked. With their school hours I only see Saturday. Maybe if she picks them up at the end of school in Lancaster and goes to the Lancaster DMV. After that they need 65 hours of driving, including night and bad weather. You must present a log of this driving and have your parent attest it is true when you go for the driving test. You also must drive for 6 months before the driving test. You can hire a service to help you learn to drive. I consider this a good thing. Many kids also take an online course that results in an insurance discount (we used to get this in school). This can all take longer than 6 months when you also have school work and activities.
I hope Kate does hire someone to teach the kids to drive. We've all heard of her antics while driving. Instead, I fear we'll get an episode where the kids drive down the driveway while Kate screams helplessly and then Mady stomps away.
Well, piecin' and patchin' and clipping coupons lol ***** Hey, you're authentic- you should get a job with Coupon Cabin! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes, I hear there's been a vacancy for some years now....
Jeanne (#29), I'm sure you scored "cool aunt" points with your niece for helping her learn to drive!
Yes, I fear TFW will use driving instruction as an episode idea. And, of course, we'll have to hear that it's a hundred times harder for her because she's...poke, dab...ALL ALONE.
Yes, I hear there's been a vacancy for some years now.... ****** Go for it! Heck, maybe I will. I can write a b.s. blog about once a week. Maybe they'll hire a Purse Boy for me and fly me about the country so I can run races here and there. Not a bad gig.
Yes, I fear TFW will use driving instruction as an episode idea. And, of course, we'll have to hear that it's a hundred times harder for her because she's...poke, dab...ALL ALONE. ***** Of course, because they don't have a father who could teach them to drive. Such a shame!
I have never sent birthday greetings to my children on social media. I do it in person which is far more important to me and them. Jon doesn't have to follow the crowd.
Do many high schools still offer driver's ed? I took it in high school and got my license at 16, but none of my kids' schools have offered it. They have all had to have private lessons.
I remember I couldn't wait to drive, but my kids have not been so anxious to learn. Perhaps it's due to the area in which we live. Driving around the DC area is not fun--not a bit. My eldest son learned to drive when we were in Germany, but then we moved to Japan, where you drive on the left side of the road. Then we moved to the US, and he had to learn to drive on the right again. Poor guy! I wouldn't wish that on any new driver.
Oh yes, I foresee a driving episode, with Kate screeching and flapping in the passenger's seat. In the end, after lots of filmed drama, she'll announce that she decided to leave the chore to an instructor because she can't risk dying--she has 8 kids to raise.
Titanic opinions said... 34 I have never sent birthday greetings to my children on social media. I do it in person which is far more important to me and them. Jon doesn't have to follow the crowd. ****** Absolutely. I don't get it. You put your kids lives out there, letting anyone and everyone peer into your home and every corner of their lives. You should stfu. Enough is enough. It's beyond unnecessary and I don't see how shouting out on YOUR social media account helps your kids at all. Let the twins have a damn social media account, ffs. Let them decide.
I remember I couldn't wait to drive, but my kids have not been so anxious to learn. Perhaps it's due to the area in which we live. Driving around the DC area is not fun--not a bit. ***** OMG, between the Beltway and Mixing Bowl, it's a white-knuckle experience!
Tucker's Mom (37) Oh yes, you can't get anywhere around here without hitting a major/very busy highway. It still sets my teeth on edge after many years. What I really hate is when my college-age kids are all coming home from school, knowing that they are navigating the beltways (695 or 495), plus I-95 and/or 270. I'm a nervous wreck until they all arrive safely. Driving around here is a blood sport, and road rage is a real concern. How I wish we lived in PA, where it isn't so dangerous to drive! Of course, Kate will pretend it's a harrowing experience (for drama, of course). She has NO idea.
Went on my birthday to get my drivers license. I was driving in town, turned right, way to wide and sped some, ran a red light and was making the much older state trooper very nervous.
\What I really hate is when my college-age kids are all coming home from school, knowing that they are navigating the beltways (695 or 495), plus I-95 and/or 270. I'm a nervous wreck until they all arrive safely. Driving around here is a blood sport, and road rage is a real concern. How I wish we lived in PA, where it isn't so dangerous to drive!
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I turned a corner a few days ago and almost rear-ended a horse and buggy near the Rumspringa Brewery, and I wasn't imbibing! Route 30 east from Lancaster to Gap can be a challenge during rush hour, but nothing like the beltway enroute to BWI. I do my best driving there around 2 a.m., and in the pre-dawn hours!
Yes, I fear TFW will use driving instruction as an episode idea. And, of course, we'll have to hear that it's a hundred times harder for her because she's...poke, dab...ALL ALONE.
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Well, Jon is dead. Can't they practice in the cemetery where he can reach out? Kate wouldn't be doing it all alone.
The only real accident I've ever been in, knock on wood, was in PA and involved wildlife and 4K in damages. I wasn't driving and everyone was fine but the car.
Re Sad but true said... 40 Sorry, I meant to link what is currently the top post on the TLC's K+8 FB page. The typos are in the description for "Exclusive Kate Plus" Moments!" And what's really great is, it's bringing up all those "the twins are so disrespectful" comments again.
In the yoga exclusive found from the FB link, Kate talks about how the kids are "anti-feet." One of the girl tups was crying about how gross it was. Kate said the kids weren't into the "feet thing." And yet there's Kate on her IG saying how happily her girls gave her a foot massage.
Which is it?
What perfect examples of how Kate just says whatever pops into her empty head.
In the yoga exclusive found from the FB link, Kate talks about how the kids are "anti-feet." One of the girl tups was crying about how gross it was. Kate said the kids weren't into the "feet thing." And yet there's Kate on her IG saying how happily her girls gave her a foot massage.
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Foot rub gate is dysfunctional in and of itself but to now hear the kids think feet are gross, as many people do, adds a whole other level of dysfunction to them massaging their mother. So they DO think it's gross, but felt obligated to please her I suppose? That's not right.
If Kate were a man, that would be called grooming behavior. Double standard.
I'm sure Milo has kids, a 20 yr old boy and 17 yr old girl, as she says. She recently IG'd a picture of a young man behind the wheel of a car, comparing his good driving with his sister's not so good driving.
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You're sure she has kids because she has a photo of a young man driving?
I think she's cat fishing someone else's kids. She could easily be Facebook friends with a neighbor, sibling, sister-in-law, and be swiping kid photo from them. She might even spend time with those kids in person and take her own photos. She has adopted the identity of that person and literally stolen their kids. If someone were ever able to sleuth that one out they should let the real mother know.
Out of curiosity I was looking at state driving laws today as I know they have been changing lately, and NO state, including Arkansas, allows an unrestricted license until you are at least 16, with most states going to 17 and even 18! That's great, since you're much more likely to get in an accident at a younger age.
All states these days are putting several restrictions on drivers under 16. Milo would know about all these hoops if she had kids.
I did notice she told some made up story about how her daughter got tickets, and was really ragging on her. I don't think that's funny or something to use as fodder on instagram. If her daughter really is getting speeding tickets at only 17, she really needs to go back to the drawing board and figure out what's going on.
nd what's really great is, it's bringing up all those "the twins are so disrespectful" comments again.
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Thanks for the link .They're really phoning it on on FB.
There are several negative comments and several people demanding to know exactly WHEN is this show coming back, with no one at TLC responding. LOL.
I was going to make one more point about the twins and their lack of activities. The twins are disrespectful, that's the truth of it. They act spoiled and entitled. They say things that should mortify any parent. A major point of keeping kids that age busy and engaged, is socialization. They still need it, and need a lot of it. If anyone out there still thinks it's just fine and dandy for the girls to sleep away the weekend instead of getting up and going to sports practice, or cooking classes, or study group, look at their behavior. Their lack of socialization has done them no favors. They are spending way too much time with Kate and the cameras, and not enough doing normal teen activities.
They are spending way too much time with Kate and the cameras, and not enough doing normal teen activities. ****** Zero time spent with their father isn't helping, either. I think Jon brings balance and a good bit a healthy mediocrity to the kids who spend time with him.
I have never sent birthday greetings to my children on social media. I do it in person which is far more important to me and them. Jon doesn't have to follow the crowd.
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You're not a celebrity. Fans seem to expect birthday greetings from celebs to their children. Right or wrong, it's expected. Not only that, but many non-celebrities post birthday greetings to their children on social media. The majority, I daresay. You may not do that and that's fine, but you're in the minority.
Jon doesn't have to follow the crowd, but at the same time, Jon can do what he wants. Jon did nothing wrong.
Jon doesn't have to follow the crowd, but at the same time, Jon can do what he wants. Jon did nothing wrong. ***** Well, come to think of it, Jon might not have any other way of reaching the twins if Mady is still mad and punishing him.
I have long suspected Milo resides in GA. As a former resident I can tell you that if a teen gets A speeding ticket, your license is confiscated at juvenile court, not traffic court, and the driver also pays a fine, She paid it from her work money. I do not recall how long my daughter's license was confiscated for, but was MONTHS because I was her driver everywhere. I cannot speak to what happens to repeat teen offenders. She was 16 and only had her license for a short time. I cannot recall if her license was considered suspended or not. I do not believe Milo has teens. It's all made up.
Teaching your teen to drive is nerve wracking for the parent and the child. I would hope TLC skips this but I doubt it. Wouldn't be surprised they script a minor accident to give Kate the platform to be calm or go nuclear. Either way, it's terrible.
She has adopted the identity of that person and literally stolen their kids. If someone were ever able to sleuth that one out they should let the real mother know
You are assusing Milo of kidnapping. You say she "literally" stole the kids. That is a mighty strong statement.
You are assusing Milo of kidnapping. You say she "literally" stole the kids. That is a mighty strong statement.
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What in the world? I think she's swiping someone else's photos like any good catfish would do. I never said she kidnapped someone's kids. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it no matter how strong you think it is. The fainting couch is over in the corner of the veranda right next to the box of pearls to clutch.
Without bringing politics to the table, it's been five days since the Access Hollywood tape has been made public. I know TFW doesn't keep up with current events, but she is probably aware of the rumours of more lewd comments on unseen Apprentice tapes, I wonder if TFW is hoping further tapes surface and, if she is targeted, it will give her a chance to respond (another People cover possibly).
@Admin i remember seeing pictures Milo uploaded of 2 kids with their backs turned from the camera and milo claimed that it was her 2 kids.If it was her two kids then who takes a picture of their children with their backs turned?Did they know she was taking a picture of them?Its such a strange picture because it felt like she was waiting to take a picture of them without them knowing.
So happy the sweet little 4 year old girl that was the center of the huge manhunt for her and her kidnapper came to a great ending!
To be kidnapped by a huge man named Wild Hogs must of been so terrifying to the parents. He was a family friend and they hadn't seen him in over 2 years, yet you let him spend the night in your home with your little girl and in the next morning, they are both GONE!
You were the RARE parents that get their child back safe and alive!
Please act like you have some smarts now and don't let any men stay in your home unsupervised around your children.
Sad that TN refused to issue the Amber Alert even when they had been sited in TN and was found in Memphis.
mom of Jack said... 58 I was thinking about redbird today. Christmas movies will hijack the Hallmark channel beginning Oct. 28!
That's nice, but she still posts here. She isn't dead.
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There is a poster here with a similar name, but I believe the OP was talking about the Redbird who has posted here for many years (who went by another screen name before Redbird) and who disappeared months ago. Quite awhile ago, someone posted she was ok, but was staying away for some reason, but we never heard anything more from or about her.
I hope she's doing well because she had many serious health problems and I hope she'll check in when she can. The Redbird I and the OP are thinking of is a big fan of older sitcoms, Hallmark movies; she's a staunch supporter of the G-8 and was a welcome figure on the veranda.
Sad that TN refused to issue the Amber Alert even when they had been sited in TN and was found in Memphis.
From all of the reports I've read, Amber alerts were issued all along his trek north. Alerts were supposedly issued in Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky and Alabama and it was because of a flyer about the Amber alert that the security guard at the hospital was able to identify the girl.
This family is so lucky to have their beautiful daughter back. I think the Amber Alerts were key in bringing her home, especially so quickly, and of course the public who paid close attention to them.
I have long believed that Milo does not have children. Remember back when people were discussing Mady crying in the photo from Alaska? Milo chimed in and said, "Who cares why she was crying?" That did it for me. No mother would dismiss a crying child by saying, "Who cares?". Mothers are caregivers. Mothers care. So do most other people, but not Milo.
I believe Milo is a catfish. He/she is claims to be a mom in order to pretend that he/she can relate to Kate.
As far as tickets are concerned, one of my teen sons got two speeding tickets and had to go to court. He got a stern lecture from the judge about driving safely, and had to go to driver's improvement class. The part he really hated--the judge told him to write an essay about the injuries that can be sustained in accidents at different speeds. And he had to pay a fine. His license was not suspended because he did everything he was told to do, and he has not gotten a ticket since. But teenagers speeding is not so easily brushed aside. I can't imagine that Milo's "daughter" would be able to just walk away without some sort of consequences. Milo just wanted a story to tell to get Kate's attention.
I am not Redbird but I always agreed with her about the Hallmark Channel. I don't like the movies. They've been having Christmas creep too. This year the movies start Oct 29. It used to be Thanksgiving. Even if you like the movies they must repeat a lot.
Do any of you who are parents ever take pictures of the backs of your kids' heads? If I did that, my boys would ask what the heck I'm doing. And if I said I was going to post them online, I know they'd think that was creepy.
There was one picture that Milo took of her "daughter", and the girl was walking along a path, and was a long distance ahead of Milo. It was odd, because if the girl were walking with her mother, why would she be so far ahead? Wouldn't she stop and wait for Mom to catch up? The girl seemed oblivious, and the photo was very creepy. And the photo of her son's toy truck in the yard…the boy was supposedly about 17 or 18 at the time, yet his childhood toy was still sitting in the yard after all those years? Don't they ever mow?
Did you notice as well the photo of her "son" was taken from the back seat, and the front passenger seat was empty? Why would a son have his mother sit in the back of the car like he's her chauffeur?
Redbird is still posting here under another name. She was having some trouble with that nasty twitter river/cow person. If you know her style of writing you'll know who she is.
Anonymous said... 61 Without bringing politics to the table, it's been five days since the Access Hollywood tape has been made public. I know TFW doesn't keep up with current events, but she is probably aware of the rumours of more lewd comments on unseen Apprentice tapes, I wonder if TFW is hoping further tapes surface and, if she is targeted, it will give her a chance to respond (another People cover possibly).
bm ****** But, Kate might very well be flattered if the Donald wanted to put moves on her. After all, she found him attractive, because a successful businessman and money makes men attractive. (paraphrasing here, but she said it) But seriously, I don't think Kate would wade into politics. I think even she is aware just how out of her depth she would be.
But seriously, I don't think Kate would wade into politics. I think even she is aware just how out of her depth she would be.
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I think every fiber in her being wishes she could capitalize on this turn of events and just the election in general. She knows Donald personally and worked with him, she could have a lot to say about how he really is and she could score some publicity. But I think you are spot on, she's way too insecure about her lack of knowledge about politics and current events. If she says something about Trump, that opens the door for them to ask her questions about policies that potentially would make her look dumb. Even a simple question like what do you think about Trump's policies is almost certainly something she couldn't even answer, because she doesn't know what he stands for. That is the one and only reason she's not jumping aboard this gravy train.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 70 Did you notice as well the photo of her "son" was taken from the back seat, and the front passenger seat was empty? Why would a son have his mother sit in the back of the car like he's her chauffeur?
Layla said... 69 Do any of you who are parents ever take pictures of the backs of your kids' heads? If I did that, my boys would ask what the heck I'm doing. And if I said I was going to post them online, I know they'd think that was creepy. ****** If that is Milo's son, she is the biggest hypocrite ever. She praises Kate up and down and supports selling the Gosselin kids' privacy, yet she doesn't ever reveal what her kids look like. Why not? Is Milo afraid of other people -on social media and the internet in general-seeing what her kids look like? Does she think that puts them at risk? Does she think their privacy is important? Is she honoring their wish to remain private?
I'd love to know exactly why Milo NEVER shows her kids' faces on the internet.
I can't imagine that Milo's "daughter" would be able to just walk away without some sort of consequences. Milo just wanted a story to tell to get Kate's attention. ***** I don't think the only consequence is a hike in insurance premiums. It could very well be that Milo is telling stories of other peoples' lives.
If Milo indeed lives in Georgia, and I subscribe to that theory as well based on a comment she once made about her local weather, then Milo's daughter could be in serious, serious trouble for having three tickets.
Teen driving penalties are MUCh harsher than for adults:
"First, understand that if you have a learner's permit and get a traffic violation, you can't move on to the next phase. The period of 12 months leading up to the next phase must be violation free. Second, if you accumulate 4 points in a period of 12 months, your license will be suspended. Some traffic violations are 4 points or more all by themselves. These include violations like reckless driving, aggressive driving, and speeding 24 to 33 MPH over the speed limit."
It's not funny ha-ha, your old man's insurance rates just went up. This is license-losing behavior. Milo is making this whole thing up.
that opens the door for them to ask her questions about policies that potentially would make her look dumb. Even a simple question like what do you think about Trump's policies is almost certainly something she couldn't even answer, because she doesn't know what he stands for. ***** Kate's usual m.o. of teasing, speaking in completely vague terms and bandying about little winks and nods wouldn't cut the mustard.
Ooops! BarbGlimer (a long time sheeple) just asked Kate how Collin is doing. I wonder if she will answer or just ignore it as she does with everyone else's questions about his welfare.
Kate splashes the news of Colin's departure on the cover of People magazine, but can't give the occasional, "thanks for your kinds thoughts and prayers for Colin, he's doing fine/responding/we miss him etc" Just how long has that boy been gone now? I figure 4 months? Maybe more?
This has been said ad nauseum. Why must it be posted "daily" here? For what purpose? ***** I think most here are pretty much on the same page re: Jon and seeing his kids. It's a mystery. Jon's IG has been updated consistently with his DJ gigs, so he seems to be working at it hard still.
Kate will never say anything regarding Trump or the election. She's ignorant about anything regarding current events. When she was on w/ Andy Cohen there was an election, debate or primary on and she admitted she was back stage watching Real House Wives of something. Like that is impressive.
Also FYI anyone with that many children are watched by family and children services!
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That's not true. Child protective services does not have the resources to generally "watch" a large family. They don't have the money nor is it constitutional for the government to stake out your family just because it's large. It's very easy for a family to fly under the radar. Most abuse goes unreported.
As far as the doctors recommending he leave school, she should have hired an educational attorney to force the PUBLIC school to accommodate whatever his needs were, as required by law. Even if that meant he needs a one-on-one teacher and a class of three kids, the school would be required to provide it under the ADA.
A school that does not permit sibling visits should be shut down.
When she was on w/ Andy Cohen there was an election, debate or primary on and she admitted she was back stage watching Real House Wives of something. Like that is impressive.
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If I recall, she wouldn't even admit that! She tried to hedge around the question and Andy called her out on watching Real Housewives because he saw her watching it. LOL.
I forgot what event that was, but it was a big one. Maybe the first party debate or something. Millions were glued to their screens. Ratings were through the roof. And there was Kate, watching menopausal plastic women have drama. What an ignoramus.
High Sodium Content said... 85 Kate will never say anything regarding Trump or the election. She's ignorant about anything regarding current events. When she was on w/ Andy Cohen there was an election, debate or primary on and she admitted she was back stage watching Real House Wives of something. Like that is impressive.
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Didn't TFW lead Andy to believe that she was watching the debates and he called her out and said that she was watching the Real Housewives?
On a serious note, for once in my life I really would be interested in whether Kate ever observed any ill treatment of herself or other women by Trump. He claims that was in the past and it would be interesting to hear a first hand account of how he treated women from just a few years ago.
I never got the impression she had any ill will toward him. She seemed enamored with your honor, which is hard to believe if someone is sexually assaulting you all the time. Although knowing dumb Kate she might not be able to recognize a sexual assault when she sees one. Plus, she's at best a 5, and Trump doesn't bother when your number is that low.
Of course, Milo's two comments on K8's latest IG post are almost as many words as all the other comments combined.
miloandjack2016 Aww..how precious is this! Kudos to you for giving your kids the experience to raise 2 pups again...they are older & can appreciate them more now! So i guess #Nanuq is the soccer ball girl and #Mak is the rough & tumble tug of war boy! Who usually wins? @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 Your pic here is so beautiful! Such lush green grass & trees.. and so much room for your large family to roam & play! Your kids are so blessed to grow up in these surroundings! I hope they realize how hard you have worked to have this for them? #Blessed. @kateplusmy8
I love how she willfully ignores the fact that the kids have worked at least as hard as Kate to provide all that for all of them. And she phrases that as a question? As if Kate never mentions to them all of her "hard work" as a #SingleMom? LMAO, she tells everyone else often enough!
Andy Cohen there was an election, debate or primary on and she admitted she was back stage watching Real House Wives of something. Like that is impressive. ***** I believe it was a debate and a very important one, at that. Kate looked like it wouldn't even have occurred to her to watch. Meanwhile, Andy Cohen and Morgan Fairchild engaged on the topic. Kate is someone who thinks making sure the world keeps on working just as it is is someone else's job. Whose? She has no idea, nor does she care.
Plus, she's at best a 5, and Trump doesn't bother when your number is that low. ****** Didn't he call Heidi Klum an "8"? Jeez, with the bar set that high, I should just wear a sack and Birkenstocks and call it a day ;-) I think of Kate's CA cast, Brandy really stood out as striking, and of course, she was a model. And, oozes sex.
I found it kinda sketchy when Gladys posted that bird picture, trying to pass it off as her own, and it was found on the internet. Why lie about something like that? She could've just said she'd seen the picture somewhere.
Sad but true (#92), not only have the kids worked just as hard as TFW, they did so without their own consent. Unless you count the alleged family vote conducted when the tups were still in diapers.
Yes, Gladys, yes, it's a beautiful happy family scene! Kids and dogs frolicking in the grass! Except for the child TFW sent away! #K8+7#AllIsGr8#CWho?
I have long believed that Milo does not have children. Remember back when people were discussing Mady crying in the photo from Alaska? Milo chimed in and said, "Who cares why she was crying?" That did it for me. No mother would dismiss a crying child by saying, "Who cares?". Mothers are caregivers. Mothers care. So do most other people, but not Milo.
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Maybe she's cut from the same cloth as Kate and really doesn't care. She wants to be like Kate, and so she thinks like Kate, who obviously was nonchalant about the reason for her daughter's tears.
Re: teens driving... My one daughter took her test and did bad. Flunked first time (she was so nervous). The test guy told her she might as well just get in the car with a shot gun and shoot herself instead. (he was known to be a jerk)
She did get it on the next try and has been an excellent driver for 20 yrs now.
Ingrid (#100), sheesh, what a harsh instructor! Glad your daughter wasn't deterred, and passed on her next try.
If TFW does indeed have the twins' driving lessons on the show, remember this crucial fact: there will be TLC cameras inside and/or outside the car. So the poor kid wouldn't just be having an ordinary lesson with her mom -- there would be others in the equation. Realest reality, folks.
My one daughter took her test and did bad. Flunked first time (she was so nervous)
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I never remember being so nervous. I don't know if this is still true but in New York State you have to parallel park, and if you were anything more than a foot from the curb it was an automatic flunk. Didn't matter if you aced everything else. We often thought it was a silly exercise since in our part of New York, if you need to parallel park you haven't hunted hard enough for a nice long open spot to drive straight into. In any case, it was required, and I practiced it and practiced it and was usually way too far from the curb. Magically, on the day of the test I absolutely NAILED IT. Total fluke.
To this day I still may need to parallel park a couple times before I get it right. Yet I can't believe on the day of the test it worked out.
doesn't bother when your number is that low. ****** Didn't he call Heidi Klum an "8"? Jeez, with the bar set that high, I should just wear a sack and Birkenstocks and call it a day ;-)
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He's got quite a complicated ranking system. His standards are high, and you can automatically lose points for things even if you've got a lot of other things going for you. Like apparently you automatically cannot be a ten if you have small boobs. So there goes my hopes and dreams. With all my automatic deductions, I'm afraid I'm at best a 4, and that's on a good day.
I miss the good ole days where you could log onto HotorNot.com in your college dorm and giggle over a couple cheap beers as you clicked which of two classmates (you might actually recognize) were hotter. It was similar to what Mark Zuckerberg set up in his college days. In hindsight I imagine there would be a heck of a lot of pearl clutching over those sites, but that site was HUGE, I'm talking entire campus was on it, but we all eventually moved on and grew up.
I wonder if any of the current pearl clutchers, especially the clutchers in their 20's and 30's, remember that site and if they ever spent any time on it or laughed with someone else who did. Seems a bit hypocritical.
He's got quite a complicated ranking system. His standards are high, and you can automatically lose points for things even if you've got a lot of other things going for you. Like apparently you automatically cannot be a ten if you have small boobs. So there goes my hopes and dreams. With all my automatic deductions, I'm afraid I'm at best a 4, and that's on a good day. ----------------------------- Can you get points for boobs, or do you just lose them for small ones? Because without positive points for boobs, I'm afraid I'm a zero in the Donald's ranking scheme.
I never got the impression she had any ill will toward him. She seemed enamored with your honor, which is hard to believe if someone is sexually assaulting you all the time. Although knowing dumb Kate she might not be able to recognize a sexual assault when she sees one. Plus, she's at best a 5, and Trump doesn't bother when your number is that low. ******************************** What a vile comment. Have you always been this much of a bitch, or is it a skill you've developed over time?
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Well, given I gave myself an even lower number than Kate, as have other posters I think the intent behind the post was clearly to poke fun at Trump's complicated and involved "rating" system. We are TEASING, lighten up.
The fainting couch is around the corner. Smelling salts are available upon request.
What a vile comment. Have you always been this much of a bitch, or is it a skill you've developed over time?
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Well, given I gave myself an even lower number than Kate, as have other posters I think the intent behind the post was clearly to poke fun at Trump's complicated and involved "rating" system. We are TEASING, lighten up.
The fainting couch is around the corner. Smelling salts are available upon request. ****** Good to see your stalker is alive and well, Admin. Always lurking and hanging on your every word, just waiting to pounce. Kate understood very well that Trump responds to attractive women, and if you watched how she flattered him with her coquettish manner to gain his favor, you know she knew how to play the game with him. Kate understands feminine wiles and uses them to get what she wants, so let's stop with the Puritanical protestations. I don't know if Kate understands what she's actually getting into when she teases men. I cringed when she offered to hug and kiss a construction guy if he did her a favor (building those stupid bullseye things). She's very flirty and perhaps emboldened by always having Steve and her film crew around to run interference for her. So far, I haven't heard any female CA contestant lodge a sexual harassment complaint against Trump. There are others, however, claiming he made groping advances. This election is one for the record books. Pass the Rumspringa!
Kate understood very well that Trump responds to attractive women, and if you watched how she flattered him with her coquettish manner to gain his favor, you know she knew how to play the game with him. Kate understands feminine wiles and uses them to get what she wants, so let's stop with the Puritanical protestations.
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Men are sexual beings. Women are sexual beings. While many confine it strictly to the bedroom, both genders have their members who are perfectly willing to take sex out in public.
As long as there are people like Kate who respond to Trump's ministrations and encourage it, there will be no reason to lock one's sexuality in a closet. If we want to revert to a Puritan society, then both genders need to agree not to be sexual in public anymore. BOTH. That includes no flirting, no comments about people's appearance or bodies, no comments about who you would like to be sexual with. Nothing. Even comments you thought were private between two or three people must not be made. (Oh, and I'm not so sure it's healthy for warm blooded male and females to put sexuality under lock and key.)
Really scratching my head over the moral outrage on this one.
Oh, and the raunchiest things I've ever heard have been out of women's mouths.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 95 I found it kinda sketchy when Gladys posted that bird picture, trying to pass it off as her own, and it was found on the internet. Why lie about something like that? She could've just said she'd seen the picture somewhere.
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Sketchy Gladys. lol Hasn't she posted several pictures over the years that were confirmed to be from stock photos or google images?
It is disturbing that Gladys doesn't ask TFW anything about Colin. She avoids that like the plague. I think she is afraid that will do more harm than good.
Her posts to TFW about the twins driving, the puppy paloosa, just oozes a level of creepiness that is stomach turning.
Flimsy, and everyone, your suggested Gladys hash tags are hilarious.
So far, I haven't heard any female CA contestant lodge a sexual harassment complaint against Trump. There are others, however, claiming he made groping advances.
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Color me holding women back, but I always found it funny that a female contestant in the boardroom would be in the middle of a serious explanation about the task, and Trump would interrupt to say something irrelevant like, isn't she just beautiful? She's beautiful!
The woman would say thank you, Mr. Trump, then go on with her thought.
Guys think about sex 99% of the time. Trump just doesn't have the filter most do for some reason.
Guys think about sex 99% of the time. Trump just doesn't have the filter most do for some reason. October 13, 2016 at 5:58 AM ***** I think more than that, Trump has money, power and position that emboldens him to do things most people would never, ever get away with. I actually feel bad for Melania right about now. I wonder when NBC is going to have the cajones to actually fire Billy Bush. He's not my cup of tea, especially on the Today show, but man I feel for the guy. He just moved to the opposite coast to take another direction with his life and career and it just went to hell in a hand basket.
ept that behavior. If Hillary Clinton were on tape saying she wandered up to men and grabbed their dicks because she's famous and can, I'm pretty damn sure you wouldn't be defending her.
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Nope you just have Hillary on tape laughing at how her client she knew was guilty of raping a 12 year old somehow passed a lie detector test and she got him off with a couple months served. Yet somehow that tape isn't making the rounds of the pearl clutchers. Interesting.
Danger, Will Robinson! Political talk is back on the veranda!
I think next year Hallmark might start their holiday lineup on Labor Day. Like Redbird, I miss their usual lineup -- particularly reruns of I Love Lucy and The Middle. Speaking of the latter, I DVR's their Season 8 premiere, but haven't watched it yet. I know I have some fellow Middle fans reading here. It's never been a critics' darling like Modern Family, but I think it's a solid, funny show.
Admin...112...Yet somehow that tape isn't making the rounds of the pearl clutchers. Interesting. ******************* It has made the rounds and been disproved.
I think every fiber in her being wishes she could capitalize on this turn of events and just the election in general. She knows Donald personally and worked with him, she could have a lot to say about how he really is and she could score some publicity. But I think you are spot on, she's way too insecure about her lack of knowledge about politics and current events. If she says something about Trump, that opens the door for them to ask her questions about policies that potentially would make her look dumb. Even a simple question like what do you think about Trump's policies is almost certainly something she couldn't even answer, because she doesn't know what he stands for. That is the one and only reason she's not jumping aboard this gravy train. ***************************************** I also don't think that any members of the press are beating down her door to get her opinions on this.
I also saw a short article earlier in the week about Mark Burnett threatening to fire/penalize any CA staffers who talked about their experiences in this area as well as a quote from a CA producer who stated it would cost her 3.5 million to violate the non-disclosure agreement she signed for CA. And we all know the respect TFMJG has for non-disclosure agreements.
The Middle premier was great! I also liked the premier of "American Housewife". I think the cast is great, especially Katy Mixon. "O'Neils" was funny. "Modern Family"- meh. I think it's getting close to its expiration date. Anyone watching "Designated Survivor"? I think it's going to have some good twists and turns.
TLC- Anyone watch the channel? Do they have anything good or new in their lineup?
Admin...112...Yet somehow that tape isn't making the rounds of the pearl clutchers. Interesting. ******************* It has made the rounds and been disproved.
Well, I've heard the tape myself. I suggest you listen to the tape. A couple things on snopes are flat out wrong, especially when they claim she didn't know he was guilty. She clearly says ON TAPE she believes he was guilty, it's right on the tape. She also clearly laughs at the guy being able to pass a lie detector test, and brags about getting him time served. While I agree she did not laugh AT the victim directy, how would you feel if you were the victim, or her parents, and she's chuckling over the guy passing a lie detector test which she then used to get him off? I don't understand why laughter would ever enter into the conversation about a rape victim, and I've represented both rape victims and child molesters. It's not funny.
Listen to her own words, not a snopes summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2f13f2awK4
I also saw a short article earlier in the week about Mark Burnett threatening to fire/penalize any CA staffers who talked about their experiences in this area as well as a quote from a CA producer who stated it would cost her 3.5 million to violate the non-disclosure agreement she signed for CA.
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Well since you can't "confidentiality agreement" away sexual assault or other criminal activity, there's no reason for the contestants not to speak their minds. The only other logical explanation is he never hurt anyone. A shame they're not allowed to say so.
And we all know the respect TFMJG has for non-disclosure agreements. ****** Yes! I did see the stuff with Mark Burnett. So many people are getting dragged into this. I've never seen anything like it. Throw Wiki Leaks in there, and it's just nuts!
He bragged about SEXUAL ASSAULT. The outrage is over his self-described ACTIONS, not the "locker room" words. If you are okay with men grabbing your crotch without your consent, that's your business, but don't expect others to accept that behavior
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I never said such behavior was acceptable or even that *I* accepted it. Of course sexual harassment is not okay. What I said was that such behavior is pervasive. My only issue is the idea that Trump being a pervert is some kind of unique thing in politics or even among THOSE TWO. Grow up and stop with the spin. If you think you are choosing a candidate who has been good to women, you're living in a fantasy world. Laughing about the child rapist, threatening Broaddrick to shut up about her rape or else, numerous other statements from Bill Clinton's victims about what she did to them can be found all over the internet, part and parcel to covering up Bill's misdeeds. Get real. Sexual assault is not okay no more than trying to cover UP someone's assaults. It's time to accept that both candidates have not been kind to women and that there's no major party candidate running this year who has always been respectful to women.
Well since you can't "confidentiality agreement" away sexual assault or other criminal activity, there's no reason for the contestants not to speak their minds. **** Ah, good point. Still, I don't think Kate is getting requests for comments. There have been far more dynamic women and men on CA over the years.
***** I think more than that, Trump has money, power and position that emboldens him to do things most people would never, ever get away with. I actually feel bad for Melania right about now.
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Yes that helps, though all the stories of sexual harassment that people are telling just proves the point that this is widespread and that there's no way to find a candidate who has not said or done somethign inappropriate at some point. The fluttering and fainting over this is astonishing. Wake up.
Look at Kennedy. He is beloved to this day, yet the White House was practically a frat house under his watch. He was banging anything and everything that had a vagina.
This has been said ad nauseum. Why must it be posted "daily" here? For what purpose?
Seriously? 90% of the comments here are ad nauseum. So repetitive, you could open the blog a year ago and the same things would be being said. But when it comes to Jon, you get bristly.
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You were ordering people to post a certain sentiment daily. That's different than people posting what they like of their own free will, regardless how repetitive you find it. Posters here don't get to tell others how and when to post. Only the moderators have any say in that, and usually that comes in the form of simply not publishing comments that break the rules.
It's time to accept that both candidates have not been kind to women and that there's no major party candidate running this year who has always been respectful to women. ****** Agree. Neither Hillary nor Trump hold much of a higher ground, if any. I HATE that with under a month until the election, we, the people, are getting spun and played and manipulated, instead of being focused on that these two can and will do if elected. Gawd. I'm so sick of even hearing about these allegations, on BOTH sides. It's gotten so dirty, and TPTB are playing us citizens for fools. We have very important issues to weigh, yet time is being monopolized by these spinmeisters who want to play games of smoke and mirrors.
Oh, this is priceless coming from an attorney. She did her JOB as a public defender even though she had asked not to be put on the case
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Well, I do my job too having defending child rapists. Have you defended child rapists?
My job does not including laughing over it, ANY aspect of it, nor bragging about how I got them off when the family and the victim could very well hear it. Your JOB, is to say no comment.
As much as the sports players have come out claiming locker room talk doesn't go that way, I can tell you with absolute certainty I have NEVER heard a fellow attorney much less myself talk about such cases in such a way. We are respectful of the victims, we don't brag about wins, we don't give interviews. We don't laugh.
Time for the media to grow up and call a truce. Their paths are absolutely full of garbage, on both sides. Do NOT put one candidates misdeeds out there as if the other doesn't have a background full of sludge. Gimme a break and let's focus on the issues.
I met a lawyer who told me, because he was trained to argue 'both ways', his responsibility was to the person he represents. In other words, even if he knew someone was guilty, he would do all he could to represent the person's "not guilty" plea.
I recollect the O.J. trial. Cochrane et al had to know O.J. was guilty of murdering two people. The team pulled out all stops to ensure the jury returned a verdict of not guilty.
The object for lawyers is to "win". I am of the opinion Clinton, in securing a lesser sentence for her client, considered this a "win". Had she been prosecuting, I believe she would have requested and obtained a much greater sentence and that also would have been a "win".
So repetitive, you could open the blog a year ago and the same things would be being said. ******* And, yet, here you still are, like herpes. Our little gift that keeps on giving. Whoever you are, you feed off of our conversations and you know it. You lurk here waiting for the crumbs we feed you, then you swallow them with abandon, as your eager finger fly across the keyboard, penning your next attack on Admin or one of us. It's like banging your head against the wall and complaining of a headache. But, you like the headache, the anger and the ire, and apparently, have no plans on stopping the banging, and lurking.
Thanks to Admin and staff for donning your hip waders each day and shoveling this shit for the team.
My job does not including laughing over it, ANY aspect of it, nor bragging about how I got them off when the family and the victim could very well hear it. Your JOB, is to say no comment. ****** It's my sense that Hillary was a very ambitious lawyer from the start, and this bravado and lack of sensitivity might have been part of the "boy culture" she was trying to show that she had the "stuff". I can understand this, but she needs to show contrition. Even I, a non-lawyer, understand that your duty entails things that you might revile, but you execute your duties as sworn. Most of us have immature and selfish moments that we would take back if we could. We grow and have regrets, and sometimes need to apologize. When there's even a whiff of doubt, I think an apology for offense or even a perceived offense, is the right thing, and the smart thing to do.
Time for the media to grow up and call a truce. ****** DH said that he'd love to see an old school debate where one candidate puts on headphones while the other answers, taking turns, so the people can hear ONLY what they would do, or say, or change. No finger pointing. No pivoting. No attacking. The media sucks and we're all the losers in their game.
Do NOT put one candidates misdeeds out there as if the other doesn't have a background full of sludge. _________________
But isn't that what Trump did when he held a press conference with Clinton's accusers and then later brought them to the debate?
BTW, Broaddrick testified under oath that nothing happened between her and Clinton. Then a year later she testified that she was raped. So she committed perjury in one of those testimonies, yet you're ready and willing to believe the latter of the two.
Admin...118...Listen to her own words, not a snopes summary: ************************ I have listened to the interview and it appears to me that facts have been twisted and tweaked just enough to change insensitive and thoughtless to absolute evil. Not by you and not just in this instance. Both sides in this election have delivered a plethora of memes and blurbs that are distortions of facts or complete fabrications that are presented as truth and far too many voters are happy to lap up whatever sour milk fits with their ideology. This election has not been about truth for a long time, if it ever was.
I have listened to the interview and it appears to me that facts have been twisted and tweaked just enough to change insensitive and thoughtless to absolute evil
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But isn't that what Trump did when he held a press conference with Clinton's accusers and then later brought them to the debate?
BTW, Broaddrick testified under oath that nothing happened between her and Clinton.
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If you listen to Trump's rallies it's one lie after another after another....reading from hacked, proven edited emails. It's a campaign of disinformation.
No, you explicitly stated that you did not understand the moral outrage. How about you grow up and own your wo
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Correct. Because I don't see the same moral outrage over many other documented incidents including his fellow candidates. If that's all fine and dandy moral outrage doesn't make a whole lot of sense. People were just looking for a reason to hate trump no matter how much other candidates have done the same or similar behavior. Totally hypocritical.
other candidates have done the same or similar behavior ...........................
I have no desire to discuss politics here or anywhere else online.
But politics aside, who else has been recorded or caught specifically bragging he could sexually assault a woman and get away with it? Who do you have in mind?
And not just in general. He just finished saying he kisses women whether they want to be kissed or not. He said as a star he could sexually assault them and they wouldn't do anything. That's more than just locker room banter. He didn't just say "I would like to..." What he said was on a whole other level.
Who else has been recorded saying such things?
As for Hillary laughing about the child rape, I think she was laughing more about how polygraph tests are laughable as evidence, from her own personal experience. That's how it seemed to me.
Bill Clinton makes me sick. Hillary makes me sick (for supporting her husband among other things), and Donald Trump makes me sick. They all make me sick. No one is better than the other on so many different levels.
As a non-american I hate to get involved, but maybe to give some perspective of how the rest of the world sees this.
Trump seems to represent the stereotypical american that is portrayed around the world. Self absorbed, loud, unconcerned for anyone but themselves. Clinton definitely has her faults, and there is something about her that is unlikable.
As the most powerful country in the world, the rest of us are very uncomfortable with what's going on. Your international decisions affect everyone.
A country is not just how well it does economically. Its how it treats its citizens and others around the world.
And I don't want to get lambasted about my thoughts - I wasn't even going to post this. I can't vote, and the domestic policies of either will not affect my daily life.
Nicky said... 136 As a non-american I hate to get involved, but maybe to give some perspective of how the rest of the world sees this. ***** That's exactly how I think we are being perceived for this 3-ring circus of an election. I'm embarrassed because this is beneath us. I hope and pray we rise up and never repeat this election cycle ever again. Just saying for me, I'm not offended by your post ;-)
I don't think anyone was just "looking for a reason to hate Billy Bush." October 13, 2016 at 11:48 AM ***** I don't know if you're referring to something I wrote, which was that I think NBC might see this as an opportunity to fire BB from the Today show. I don't think he's a good fit (as a viewer), and I think his co-anchors don't like him much either. They don't exactly look cozy. That's just my suspicion.
"As for Hillary laughing about the child rape, I think she was laughing more about how polygraph tests are laughable as evidence, from her own personal experience. That's how it seemed to me." ______
She was also laughing because a pair of underpants was obtained that had blood stains and were sent off to a lab for testing. The underpants were returned.....with a hole cut where the blood had been, so the only evidence was a pair of underpants with a hole in them.
"Bill Clinton makes me sick. Hillary makes me sick (for supporting her husband among other things), and Donald Trump makes me sick. They all make me sick. No one is better than the other on so many different levels."
Yes Tucker's Mom I'm watching Designated Survivor and I say Tom Kirkman for president! I'm just waiting for him to give a good Jack Bauer "dammit" or “Trust me. You do not want to go down this road with me.” And that is the only political discussion that I'll join in. Like Jillygee, this is my respite place from politics.
LOL - no offence Tucker's Mom. I just don't see what others see in Trump I guess.
I don't agree with all of what our leaders (Canada) do or say, and I wasn't a big fan of our previous Prime Minister, but I never feared that he would embarrass our country on the world stage.
I know many Americans - all smart, sophisticated, and intelligent. I guess I just don't get it.
Thank you for mentioning 'Designated Survivor'. I missed the last episode so just called it up on demand.
As for the political environment: I thought the Canadian stumping went on too long because it expanded from six weeks to about six months (unofficially). I don't know how you people stand this. Your real civil war lasted only a little longer than this and the damage is still not entirely healed.
As another non-American, I agree with Nicky's comments @138 and with Tucker's Mom @139, yes, this election campaign is beneath all Americans.
I've never known a campaign like this and I fear, regardless of who wins, sadly there will be violence following election day. I fervently hope I am wrong.
Kate Gosselin Recalls one Regret From Her Time on Reality TV - People People Magazine › Kate-Gosselin-recalls-... TV. Kate Gosselin and Her 8: 10 Years Later – I Wish I Hadn't Melted Down as Much.
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Don't you think it is odd that she said that she wished she hadn't of melted down as much?
Shouldn't it be, I deeply regret the way I have acted, I wish I hadn't melted down at all and I wish I had asked for help and started counciling?
I personally don't like this part of the election. Trump said awful things about sexual assault. The reply for me is not that Bill Clinton or Jack Kennedy may have done equally bad things. I can decide how I feel about Trump based on those statements. I can do the same for Hilary based on her statements or actions. We will in the end do what we have always done: vote based on our own issues. If your main issue is eliminating abortion or buying more guns or kicking out immigrants you'll vote for Trump. My main issue has to do with healthcare. I am convinced that Trump will eliminate my healthcare and disability payments and I will be dead in a year. I think we reached the point months ago where anyone would be swayed. We should have saved money and eliminated the debates and television ads and all that crap. I am not going to try to convince anyone here to change their minds.
Ever follow a South American or European election? They're ten times worse and often very corrupt and fixed. This is nothing. It's just our pilgrim roots that make us so aghast.
I was kinda thinking that maybe DH and I would go to a wonky bar to watch the election results come in, but then again, maybe next election ;-) I'll make an audible call...
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 149 Ever follow a South American or European election? They're ten times worse and often very corrupt and fixed. This is nothing. It's just our pilgrim roots that make us so aghast. ****** That reminds me of a really good movie I watched on cable (HBO?)- "Our Brand Is Crisis" with Sandra Bullock and Billy Bob Thornton. I had no big expectations, but thought it was really well done. I was engaged throughout. Fascinating to compare and contrast elections in other countries.
Don't you think it is odd that she said that she wished she hadn't of melted down as much? ***** Not so much odd as scripted. I don't think she really feels she went overboard, but it makes good will for herself if she acts upset at her past behavior.
Deliverance said... She was also laughing because a pair of underpants was obtained that had blood stains and were sent off to a lab for testing. The underpants were returned.....with a hole cut where the blood had been, so the only evidence was a pair of underpants with a hole in them.
It's interesting, and more than a little scary, to see how preconceived heavily emotional notions can dictate important decisions even in intelligent people.
Any chance on a ban on politics here? There's not enough rumspringa in the world....
That argument doesn't work for me because then it would also have to apply to the public's outrage toward Billy Bush.
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Bush is a cousin of George bush so that was pretty guilt free to take him out as just part of that clan. Although I haven't seen the outrage against him asmuch. If anything people seem to feel it's unfair he got caught up in this. Especially when journalists are the worst in terms of raunchy talk and behavior. Look at Peter Jennings. He was well known as an absolute womanizer and pig but he was allowed a storied career. I sense some over compensation from that crowd.
I don't see a lot of support for Billy Bush. I also don't see much indication people are condemning him based on the fact he's a Bush.
I really don't think can compare a womanizer with someone bragging about sexually assaulting someone and even worse, knowing they can get away with it.
It's not the same as talking about a woman, even saying what you would like to do to her. That's disgusting and wrong, but I can see some men saying that's "locker room talk." But to physically put his hands in her and sexually assault her?!? And brag he can get away with it? I don't see how anyone can defend it or make light of it. How does anyone defend violating a woman like that?
In happier news, is anyone else enjoying baseball's post season? The Cubbies and the Nats are still both in it, plus poor Cleveland. It's almost an embarrassment of riches.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 150 Ever follow a South American or European election? They're ten times worse and often very corrupt and fixed. This is nothing. It's just our pilgrim roots that make us so aghast. _______
But they don't go on so bloody long. We've been at this now for nearly two years, and it's enough already.
I read about an interesting poll yesterday, I can't recall who it was conducted by, but I'm sure it could be easily googled. Among other things, they asked what Americans' top fear was---economic meltdown, terrorism, natural disaster, etc. For the second year in a row, 60% said "Corruption in our government." As heinous as Trump appears, I think the reason for his support is simply because he is not a Clinton. The election of HRC means, to most people (including myself), "business as usual" in DC. I for one have been very disturbed by the way our civil servants have now become this country's "elites." Government employees in 2016 have better insurance, pensions, and access (every time I think of the piles of money being made on the side by members of Congress, I want to scream) than any other segment of our society except for the 1%. The Clintons seem to have played a pretty large role in that, not to mention all of the people they employ who appear to have had second and third jobs as consultants outside the government which were, in effect, dependent on their government access (while at the same time being paid by the government!). This sort of thing did not happen 30 years ago. There used to be a much clearer line between public and private, and the blurring of it has not been to the advantage of most Americans.
Suffice to say, I think for a lot of people the fact that Trump is a Washington outsider is what makes him attractive. If nothing else, he would not walk in there and just accept "business as usual." As opposed to the Clintons, who have taken full advantage, in and out of government, of the status quo.
Tucker's Mom said... 152 Don't you think it is odd that she said that she wished she hadn't of melted down as much? ***** Not so much odd as scripted. I don't think she really feels she went overboard, but it makes good will for herself if she acts upset at her past behavior. _______
The "regret," I am sure, is simply part of the rebranding, trying to make a kinder, gentler Kate. This is not a woman who ever says sorry or ever feels that she has to say sorry. Remember, her kids were expected to apologize to HER after she beat the shit out of them. Based on the comments on her TLC FB page (where she is regularly called out for her bad behavior, and most people believe that's where Mady got it from), I am sure this is part of the new image she and TLC are crafting. It'll never be believable because nothing about her reality show is real. And people are, I think, catching on to that.
I for one have been very disturbed by the way our civil servants have now become this country's "elites." ======== That's a joke isn't it Sad But True? I didn't realize that I'm an elite. The government doesn't just hand us insurance we pick the plan we want and we pay just like everyone else. I'm one of the lucky ones that is under the old CSRS and when I retire I'll get a good pension but that system is long gone and those under FERS will have to rely more on the government's equivelant of a 401 and social security. Nothing is handed to us. Elite indeed!
In happier news, is anyone else enjoying baseball's post season? ========== Post season? That ended for me when the METS lost to the Giants. There's always next year.
Sad but true (#169), and TFW's fans don't even seem to be begging to have her back on the air. How the mighty have fallen.
If the new shows finally start airing in January, that'll be 2 months before her 42nd birthday. The snapshot in people's minds of that frazzled young mom with the porcupine haircut and tons of kids is already a decade old. As many people here point out, she's gone through so many reinventions, and nothing seems to "take." And I think that's because her authentic self is, well, inauthentic.
As for us being an international joke.....too late, we already are and have been for awhile. Especially after Iran.
"I met a lawyer who told me, because he was trained to argue 'both ways', his responsibility was to the person he represents. In other words, even if he knew someone was guilty, he would do all he could to represent the person's "not guilty" plea."
Of course! That's the solemn duty a lawyer takes on. You represent the interests of your client, and it's not as hard as people think it is. Lots of people do the same even when a customer is being rude, or a patient is being uncooperative. You just keep doing your job. That's not the issue for me, although I understand some people think she shouldn't have represented him at all (People who don't understand the duty of a defense lawyer). But, there's a big but, you can still defend heinous people without being nasty about it to the people they hurt.
By the way, the best explanation I've ever heard of defense attorneys, and believe, is that you should support defense attorneys defending people zealously, because when it comes around and it's you and you didn't do it, that's what you want.
Nothing, nothing in our oath, requires a defense attorney to be hurtful and callous toward the victim and their family. Nothing requires us to be caviler, or to blab about a case to the press, or to laugh off certain aspects of it to the horror of others. Some play it that way naturally, but most I've met are respectful and dignified, never laughing or joking about such serious matters, and not bragging about wins that got guilty people off.
As to they're both scum double amen. Say what you like, but don't not cast a vote for Trump because you think you're getting someone with better morals and friendly to women. I can't even. As for Broaddrick testifying under oath nothing happen, gee, like no one sexually assaulted has ever said it never happened! She was petrified to say the truth. She now says otherwise, and told a very detailed and credible story of the totally creepy intimidation she received from Hillary. Duh, that's why she said under oath that never happened, she was intimidated to do so.
Sad but true said... 168 Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 150 Ever follow a South American or European election? They're ten times worse and often very corrupt and fixed. This is nothing. It's just our pilgrim roots that make us so aghast. _______
I read about an interesting poll yesterday, I can't recall who it was conducted by, but I'm sure it could be easily googled. Among other things, they asked what Americans' top fear was---economic meltdown, terrorism, natural disaster, etc. For the second year in a row, 60% said "Corruption in our government." As heinous as Trump appears, I think the reason for his support is simply because he is not a Clinton. The election of HRC means, to most people (including myself), "business as usual" in DC. I for one have been very disturbed by the way our civil servants have now become this country's "elites." Government employees in 2016 have better insurance, pensions, and access (every time I think of the piles of money being made on the side by members of Congress, I want to scream) than any other segment of our society except for the 1%. The Clintons seem to have played a pretty large role in that, not to mention all of the people they employ who appear to have had second and third jobs as consultants outside the government which were, in effect, dependent on their government access (while at the same time being paid by the government!). This sort of thing did not happen 30 years ago. There used to be a much clearer line between public and private, and the blurring of it has not been to the advantage of most Americans.
Suffice to say, I think for a lot of people the fact that Trump is a Washington outsider is what makes him attractive. If nothing else, he would not walk in there and just accept "business as usual." As opposed to the Clintons, who have taken full advantage, in and out of government, of the status quo.
------ Seriously?? I think you're mixing up elected officials with government employees. As for the country not trusting the government didn't trust go out the window in the 60s? And Trump not being one of the elite Washington insiders is only made worse by the fact that he's an elite USA insider. A man who has spent his life spitting on everyone else while calling them losers and worse and getting rich doing it. At least HRC has helped people.
The worst thing I can think that Hilary has done is having been friends with Trump. That is inexcusable. An end to cronyism would be fantastic but so long as money, ego and fear (of different lobbyist groups ala the NRA, coal, Big Tobacco) controls a large part of the federal government it will never happen.
Yet another depressingly early exit by one of the best regular season teams in baseball. Sigh. But hot damn bringing Kershaw in to pitch in the 9th was great baseball theatre. Hats off to the Dodger's manager. And to Clayton. At least there's nothing to keep me from root root rooting for the Cubs now.
Yeah, I've always like Bob Dillion. Glad he won the noble price. ******* I think Dillion should command a noble price for a noble guy. What price would Boosh go for?
I am sure this is part of the new image she and TLC are crafting ***** I have my doubts that TLC is trying to rebrand or even rejuvenate Kate, simply because she will have been off of their schedule (new shows) for almost a year? Or the better part of a year, at least. That's a LONG time to be out of the public eye, not feeding the beast. How long was it between TLC canceling K+8 (the RV episodes) and their first "special"? This is a very, very long hiatus. I wonder if TLC's strategy is to have viewers want to tune in after long absences, vs. continuing the over-saturation of Kate and the kids doing to same things over and over again.
As heinous as Trump appears, I think the reason for his support is simply because he is not a Clinton. ****** I think that's what won Trump the Republican nomination, but that message has been obfuscated now for a long time with all the salacious scandals.
NJGal51 said... 171 In happier news, is anyone else enjoying baseball's post season? ========== Post season? That ended for me when the METS lost to the Giants. There's always next year. ********* I'm out now, too ;-( See ya in around 6 months, my "boys of summer".
But, there's a big but, you can still defend heinous people without being nasty about it to the people they hurt. ***** Like Casey Anthony's team who publicly gloated and flipped the bird? That was awful.
Duh, that's why she said under oath that never happened, she was intimidated to do so. ****** Things have changed for women in this century, and as this century progresses. Women are being believed more. Look at the Cosby case. These women held their secrets for decades. I don't automatically discount a woman's story if she changes it. The psychological impact is very difficult to deal with, and you combine that with the position of women in society, historically, then you can begin to understand why women don't just come forward right away. Especially when their abuser is in a position of power and the socioeconomic inequity is great.
But they don't go on so bloody long. We've been at this now for nearly two years, and it's enough already.
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True it's way too long of a process, I agree with that. There is nothing left to talk about so now it's a game of who has a more sordid past, an exercise I find tedious and ridiculous, given those two. That's why I say can't we just call a truce on both having nasty pasts when it comes to women and otherwise, and move on? It would be different if Trump really were up against someone who didn't have a long history of lies, ill treatment of women, cover-ups, and corruption, but that's not the case. So it becomes a kindergarten playground of he's nastier, no she's nastier! It's stupid.
But people keep saying oh what a nasty and embarrassing election and I keep making the point this really is nothing compared to many other countries. The problem is when is the last time our news reported on another country's election to even be aware of the rest of the political world? It's at best a footnote, so many Americans are completely unaware of how nasty it is abroad. Causing them to think, oh my goodness this is just awful! On the contrary, this is downright CIVILIZED compared to other elections.
When I go abroad, I was just in Europe last week, they report on all different countries' politics. The US, Africa, Asia. This week they were saying so many things about the goings-on in Africa I was like wha-whhat? Where is our news about this??
We are isolated politically, with most people only following our elections, and it causes a warped perspective. I also don't buy the "we're a laughing stock" abroad. No we're not, except among the rare places that are even more civilized than us, like Canada. Everyone knows we hold the cards, and even if they dare to snicker, they won't too loud. Plus with many other countries having very severe problems of their own, they idea that they would laugh at us is absurd. That won't be laughing when we sanction them or bomb them and they know it.
But politics aside, who else has been recorded or caught specifically bragging he could sexually assault a woman and get away with it? Who do you have in mind?
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Well, that's an unfair question, because very few other politicians have had microphones and cameras on them all the time as Trump has. IF Kennedy, Johnson, John Edwards, Bill Clinton, and a host of other perverts had microphones rolling on them all the time ten years before they became major political players, you can bet they would have nasty tapes too.
The fact that Trump happened to have some things recorded when others didn't, doesn't mean this behavior hasn't happened before and in fact according to multiple witnesses has indeed happened before with many, many other politicians.
Most only start getting recorded all the time when they get close to being president. By that time, the past is the past, unrecorded and forever gone, with only witnesses left to speak of what was said--and they have.
This is like the CSI generation. If it's not recorded, I don't believe it!! Whatever happened to WITNESS statements??? Why are they not to be believed?? I watched someone completely discount Broaddrick's statements outright, and it's troubling. She is telling the truth, but since there is no tape of it, I guess it didn't happen? The same happens with shootings. If there's no video of it usually it doesn't get much traction, with rare exceptions. The second there's a video, people go nuts.
The Jon and Ken show went on and on about this point the other day. They were like oh my god, look at Bill Clinton. Of course there are no recordings of it, but god knows how many witnesses have come forward to speak of his sexual assaults. And yet the youtube generation can't seem to process these disgusting facts because there's no recordings of it. But god damn, the second it's recorded, bring out the fainting couches!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3837514/Jon-Gosselin-posts-throwback-snap-daughters-Mady-Cara-16th-birthday.html October 14, 2016 at 12:39 AM ****** Could you find some? I'm not sure what you're alluding to. The DM article is just a re-post of Jon's IG birthday wish to his girls, and old sh*t cobbled together from the past.
This is like the CSI generation. If it's not recorded, I don't believe it!! Whatever happened to WITNESS statements??? Why are they not to be believed?? ****** The problem is, that's exactly what Trump said about one of these latest allegations from women. Exactly.
"Jessica Leeds
Who is she: Leeds, now 74, was a traveling businesswoman at a paper company when she was seated next to Donald Trump on an airplane, according to the New York Times.
Claims: She says more than 30 years ago, she sat next to Trump in first class on a flight to New York. After takeoff, he lifted the armrest and began touching her—she says he grabbed her breasts and tried to put a hand up her skirt. “He was like an octopus,” she said. “His hands were everywhere.” She called the incident “an assault.”
Evidence: The Times says Leeds told this story to at least four people “close to her,” and that those people also verified the story to the Times. It is not clear whether anybody on the plane has corroborated the story.
Trump response: Trump’s lawyers have demanded a retraction of the New York Times story about Leeds and Rachel Crooks, calling it libelous. Trump tweeted that the story was a “fabrication” and said in a speech Thursday that Leeds’ story was “another ridiculous tale, no witnesses, no nothing.”
I think most, like the VAST majority of people, who are going to vote, are decided. Unless their candidate has something apocalyptic revealed, this is all just poo slinging. Again, the awful part of all of this is that the media is showing their bias(es) with all this pettifogging and "gotcha!"s and parading every single person who done been done wrong, that the real issues that we really, really need to be discussing, are buried in this pathetic morass of bullsh*t.
This is like the CSI generation. If it's not recorded, I don't believe it!! Whatever happened to WITNESS statements??? Why are they not to be believed?? ****** The problem is, that's exactly what Trump said about one of these latest allegations from women. Exactly.
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Well, I believe that woman, actually. I believe witness statements if they are credible. I also don't think it has anything to do with who is best to run this country, or somehow notches him below Hillary, who has been awful to women in her own right. For some, apparently it has everything to do with it, even though countless other storied politicians have done the same thing including the Clintons. Hard to figure out.
You're right, I should have made it clear I was referring to elected officials and political appointees. I am talking about the premium health insurance for life (regardless of length of service) for Congress and its staff members and other perks of this nature which put these people far above those they in theory serve.
Here's the link to USA Today's synopsis of the poll I mentioned:
BTW, I absolutely do put Trump in the "1%." But then, it's near impossible to become an elected official in the U.S. anymore unless you are at or near that level or have plenty of friends who are.
Hard to figure out. ***** I have a feeling that many people contrast Trump with Obama, with regard to their treatment of and relationship to women. Michelle, at least publicly, is respected and adored. She is supportive, yet strong and bold. Obama's girls seem to be the apple of his eye. Having 2 daughters that he has successfully protected for the vast majority of his presidency, Obama has earned the reputation of valuing and respecting women. This is personal to the Obamas, and it shows. Add to that, Michelle's heartfelt, emotional and raw barnburner speech yesterday, and the contrast deepens, as does the outrage. Michelle is the emotional face that Hillary lacks, and she is Hillary's biggest campaign asset in the waning days of this election. It's a coup. I think folks on both sides are saying, "dayum", as they tear up a bit and notice more than a few goosebumps on their flesh.
How long was it between TLC canceling K+8 (the RV episodes) and their first "special"? _______
She was off the schedule for almost three years (8/11 - 6/14), they brought her back for the tups' 10th b'day (when she put on the clown outfit---I wonder if TLC insisted on that, lol). And when that got decent ratings, they sent her out on the Pilgrim's Progress tour.
I believe there are a lot of vile, disgusting politicians out there. Past presidents included, I'm sure.
But my reply asking for an example was based on your saying "People were just looking for a reason to hate trump no matter how much other candidates have done the same..."
I didn't just say "recorded," I also said "or caught."
I'm not saying I don't believe people's accusations, but having someone claim something happened is not the same as having evidence.
You spoke of "witnesses who come forward." Were you referring to the accusers themselves or to witnesses on behalf of the accusers?
I know there aren't usually witnesses to sexual assault. But I think there's a difference between the accuser's testimony, and eye witness testimony.
My comment was referring to direct evidence of Trump's behavior. He's been caught bragging on recordings (interviews included) more than once.
BTW, I absolutely do put Trump in the "1%." But then, it's near impossible to become an elected official in the U.S. anymore unless you are at or near that level or have plenty of friends who are.
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Yes, everyone who has been elected in the past several decades has been filthy rich. This is not a sport you or I could get into. And that's another thing i scratch my head over. The hate on rich Trump. Do people not understand Hillary Clinton is richer than sin??? Obviously she's not making what Trump makes, but it's still more money than most of us will ever see in a dozen lifetimes, and much of it funneled through charities to be tax free too. People don't honestly think she's just a working class ground up public servant just because she claimed/lied to be broke when they left the White House? She is FILTHY rich. So if people are going to be mad at the 1% (which I've always considered misplaced and ridiculous, anyway) let's be mad at Hillary too.
CC, I spoke of witnesses meaning the victims themselves. They have come forward in droves about Clinton, yet it's ignored because I guess there's no tapes. In a court of law anyone who was either there for the incident or the victim of the incident is a "witness." I wasn't using it in the layman's term as in someone actually watching.
CC, I spoke of witnesses meaning the victims themselves. They have come forward in droves about Clinton, yet it's ignored because I guess there's no tapes. _____
Let's not forget, they actually had to test the dress in order to get Clinton to fess up. My assumption is that none of the other women who've come forward have this sort of objective proof.
By the way I find your vulgar "p---y" name quite ironic given your moral outrage. So, it's okay when women talk vulgar and be crude (as I've heard WAY more then men), but not okay when Trump does it. Got it.
No, I avoid reading trash. The author admitted he has no evidence to back up his assertions, but believe whatever you want.
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No, there wouldn't be hard evidence of corruption now would there be when one is HIDING it. You don't lay it all out there like chess pieces. But it sure does quack like a duck. Keep ignoring the duck.
If Trump were running against Michelle, the moral outrage would actually make sense. She is a good woman and mother. She has class. She reminds me of Rice in her reserved demeanor and reasonableness. People like them NEVER run.
Admin said... By the way I find your vulgar "p---y" name quite ironic given your moral outrage. So, it's okay when women talk vulgar and be crude (as I've heard WAY more then men), but not okay when Trump does it. Got it. ----------
I didn't see what you're replying to but I have to ask...
You don't think there's a difference between someone using the crude and offensive term "p***y," and someone claiming they can grab someone's p***y and get away with it?
And I'm asking specifically about the context in which Trump said it. He just boasted about kissing women without their consent.
And this isn't just about Trump. This applies to anyone that said such a thing. Anyone in his position of power and influence. This wasn't just some schmuck on the street talking crap to his friends while they all know it's not actually true.
I don't think the outrage is over his using the word p***y. He could have said crotch. Or vagina. Or hoohoo. It's not about the language. It's about what he was actually saying, not how he said it.
No, I avoid reading trash. The author admitted he has no evidence to back up his assertions, but believe whatever you want.
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No, there wouldn't be hard evidence of corruption now would there be when one is HIDING it. You don't lay it all out there like chess pieces. But it sure does quack like a duck. Keep ignoring the duck. *********************** That's about the stupidest thing I've ever read, which is saying a lot. Nope, never in history has there been any evidence of corruption. Corruption is always so well hidden that not a shred of actual evidence emerges to support it.
1983 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 801 – 1000 of 1983 Newer› Newest»But do today's generation even care that much about getting their driving license? It was different for us (I'm in my early forties). WE didn't have phones, internet, etc., so a license meant freedom to hang with our friends. Most young people I know are not even interested in getting their license until they are well into their 20's. Milo is out of touch
Think maybe you are out of touch. Mom of 3 teens. Two which drive. All of their friends got their license ASAP. I don't know any teens that haven't.
But do today's generation even care that much about getting their driving license? It was different for us (I'm in my early forties). WE didn't have phones, internet, etc., so a license meant freedom to hang with our friends. Most young people I know are not even interested in getting their license until they are well into their 20's. Milo is out of touch
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I agre,e Milo is out of touch, which is yet another reason I'm not sure I believe she has teens. In recent years I've yet to find a single teen who blabbed on and on about getting their driver's license or was first in line. In fact most teens I know have delayed getting their license 6, even 12 months or more after they were eligible. I did ask a couple of them why they waited and they both said I'm scared to. They were boys, too. They didn't elaborate and I didn't press the issue and embarrass them.
I do think you have hit the nail on the head that it's at least partly because they are so connected already, they don't crave the connection that a license brought our generations because they already have that. I also think the helicopter generation plays a role, with kids being raised to be much more tied to the apron strings and reluctant to take on such a big responsibility.
It could be financial too. They would rather spend the money on iPhones and goPros than all the costs of car ownership many parents will require them to contribute at least in part to. My how things have changed.
Think maybe you are out of touch. Mom of 3 teens. Two which drive. All of their friends got their license ASAP. I don't know any teens that haven't.
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Shrug. As i've just posted, I found exactly the opposite. Exactly the opposite.
It could be demographics as well, I suppose. Both Kate and I live in quite wealthy communities where every kid has an iPhone and nannies to shuttle them around. There is no need for a license.
I agre,e Milo is out of touch, which is yet another reason I'm not sure I believe she has teens.
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I'm convinced she doesn't after her comment about kids getting their license and driving on their 16th birthday. She has no idea about the licensing process these days.
Back when I turned 16, you went for your test and got your license. No permit or required hours with a licensed driver of a certain age.
Hmmmmmm, over 11K views on the #NookiePookie video but less than 30 comments. I guess if you're going to buy views you should go the extra mile and buy some comments to make the view count a little more believable.
When my son turned driving age we were stationed in AZ (Ft. HUachuca). He couldn't wait to drive because there's no mass transit available and nothing was within walking (or bike riding) distance. I guess it depends on where you live as to whether or not you want that license. Me? I didn't need to drive in New Jersey/New York and didn't even learn until I was married and living in Germany. Maybe Milo's kids were dying to get their licenses to escape her.
I got my license at 18. I had friends and an older brother who drove. I didn't have a car and had no means of buying one. We didn't buy kids their own cars back in the day, so my access was pretty limited.
When I got the urge, I pulled the trigger. Otherwise, there was always a ride, or my bike.
I know an almost 17-year-old girl who uses Uber regularly to go out and do things with her friends. She's taken driving lessons, but is in no hurry to get her license. Her parents even have an old car she'll be able to drive, but she's not ready to pay insurance, gas, maintenance, etc.
Well MaryMary - agree to disagree. Our experiences may be vastly different.
No need to be condescending.
My experience matches Admin's. My sister, who is about 10 years younger than me, had no interest in getting her license. Dad had to practically force her to learn before she graduated high school so she could drive herself to college.
My nephew was a senior before he got his license and my niece is about to turn 17 and is just going to get her learner's permit.
Kids care more about social media now. The are happy to stay at home as long as they have their school friends up on whatever the app of the day is.
I also don't think Kate is going to let Cara and Mady out driving on their own for quite a while and they know it. What is the point in getting a license if all you can do is drive around the compound.
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I know an almost 17-year-old girl who uses Uber regularly to go out and do things with her friends
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Uber age is 18 minimum. I guess they're not getting "carded" ;-)
I think Uber is GREAT for younger adults who go out and drink etc.
It saves lives and nobody needs to be the DD!
I'm convinced she doesn't after her comment about kids getting their license and driving on their 16th birthday. She has no idea about the licensing process these days.
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That seals the deal for me. Most if not all states have a complicated licensing process these days, logging hours, probationary periods, and even classes. She would know that if she had or were at least around teens.
Even when I was a teen there was an extensive and involved probationary period. You can't just turn 16 and show up at the DMV and you're licensed.
I don't think I was licensed until six months after I was 16, even though I was diligent about pursuing it. It takes time to log the hours.
Milo's only point of reference is when she was 16, you knock on the door of the DMV take a test and they hand you the license.
When I got my license at sixteen, eons ago I had to first get a learner's permit at 15 1/2. When sixteen, I took the tests, written and driving, and got my license. No knocking on the DMV door and getting a license.
I forgot to mention, drivers ed was offered at the high school. It was either drivers ed or a driving school. No drivers ed, or diving school, no license.
Yeah, I was in my 20s when I got my license too. I lived in a big city with great public transport. As I worked 12 hour shifts as a RN I was so tired when off I was happy to just relax on the subway or bus instead of battling traffic. But later when I moved to the burbs and had kids I needed to drive. As a parent you automatically become a chauffeur to all those games, practices, play dates, lessons. Or at least most parents...
I forgot to mention, drivers ed was offered at the high school. It was either drivers ed or a driving school. No drivers ed, or diving school, no license.
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I grew up in New York and I don't recall it being a requirement to get a license. But, it did drastically lower insurance rates and did a good job with teaching kids the ropes of driving, so in my house, it was required.
Therefore, I had to wait for the driver's ed class to happen, which was only twice a year. My birthday fell in the middle of the second year's session, so I had to wait until next school year, an eternity for a 16 year old.
Milo really would know of all these delays and hiccups if she had kids.
I never took drivers ed, but I had older friends who taught me. Maybe my mom or dad took me around a parking lot? Not sure. I just remember driving around my neighborhood with friends.
I was a bit tentative about driving , really. I remember being a bit freaked out the first time I was driving a car all alone. It felt sooooooo weird!
I'm sure Milo has kids, a 20 yr old boy and 17 yr old girl, as she says. She recently IG'd a picture of a young man behind the wheel of a car, comparing his good driving with his sister's not so good driving.
In AZ my son had to take both driver's ed and behind the wheel. Behind the wheel was cheaper through the school than a driving school.
With a drivers license comes freedom and Kate isn't going to give them that much freedom just yet. Not while they are still minors.
@Deliverence That picture that milo uploaded is an old picture.I remember her tweeting that picture to Kate and saying something to Kate like"Soon you'll be riding in the backseat like me."As for mady and cara driving,honestly if Kate's the mother we believe her to be and that she wants to control and film the kids until they're 18 then wouldn't letting mady and cara drive at their age give them freedom and they'd rather hang out with their friends then film.Unless Kate tries to bribe them.
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Milo really would know of all these delays and hiccups if she had kids.
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I think driving rules and regs are much more liberal in the South. For example, one of the Duggars recently got his learner's permit---at 14! And I've read of plenty of places where a permit can be obtained at 15. So I don't think this means Milo doesn't have kids.
I believe that the permit age limit may be around 15 down south. Even if it is not, sometimes people say things as a joke. There is no need to jump all over Milo.
Having kids of this age, I can say, some are ready to drive and some are not. Even with the availability of public transportation and social media, kids in my area are jumping to get there license. You can tell by the HUGE backlog in scheduling testing dates, and by seeing the packed school parking lots.
Drivers Ed is not required to get your drivers license; however, it is offered through some schools.
Kids in our area LOVE using UBER. Yes, people use UBER when for a night out, but in my area it is a balanced use of UBER. I believe the person scheduling the UBER ride needs to be over 18 years of age. Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to use it when traveling with my youngest son.
In my opinion, having taught "multiples" to drive, my advice to Kate would be to hire a drivers ed service. Depending on the driver trainee, the stress level can be very hieght for the trainee and trainer.
I don't understand the need to jump on Milo ALL of the time. Relax :)
Or at least most parents...
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Kate isn't about to enroll the kids in enrichment activities. How would she find time to fake bake and spa?
Oh, wait! How did you raise children and own a car on a nurse's salary?
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In my opinion, having taught "multiples" to drive, my advice to Kate would be to hire a drivers ed service. Depending on the driver trainee, the stress level can be very hieght for the trainee and trainer.
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I have no doubt that Kate has that pitched as an episode, if it hasn't been filmed already.
I don't understand the need to jump on Milo ALL of the time. Relax :)
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Understand that Milo doesn't suck some of the time, but my bet is that she wouldn't spit on any of us if we were on fire.
She gets as good as she gives.
Admin (11) said ... I don't think I was licensed until six months after I was 16, even though I was diligent about pursuing it. It takes time to log the hours.
Milo's only point of reference is when she was 16, you knock on the door of the DMV take a test and they hand you the license.
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In PA you can show up at the DMV on your 16th Birthday and take the learners test. You pass the computerized test and then you receive your permit. The driving requirements come after you receive your permit.
The girls turned 16 on Saturday, and if they had the medical form completed they could have legally taking the permit test that day.
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Well, piecin' and patchin' and clipping coupons lol
Well, piecin' and patchin' and clipping coupons lol
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Hey, you're authentic- you should get a job with Coupon Cabin!
I helped my niece learn to drive a few years ago. In her friend group, they got their permits almost right away but getting the actual license was really staggered. So many factors with getting the hours of practice and paying for everything.
Berks County has only one DMV office in Shillington. It is quite busy and a pain to go to. You can make an appt for the permit test. I don't know how far out they're booked. With their school hours I only see Saturday. Maybe if she picks them up at the end of school in Lancaster and goes to the Lancaster DMV. After that they need 65 hours of driving, including night and bad weather. You must present a log of this driving and have your parent attest it is true when you go for the driving test. You also must drive for 6 months before the driving test. You can hire a service to help you learn to drive. I consider this a good thing. Many kids also take an online course that results in an insurance discount (we used to get this in school). This can all take longer than 6 months when you also have school work and activities.
I hope Kate does hire someone to teach the kids to drive. We've all heard of her antics while driving. Instead, I fear we'll get an episode where the kids drive down the driveway while Kate screams helplessly and then Mady stomps away.
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Well, piecin' and patchin' and clipping coupons lol
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Hey, you're authentic- you should get a job with Coupon Cabin!
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Yes, I hear there's been a vacancy for some years now....
Jeanne (#29), I'm sure you scored "cool aunt" points with your niece for helping her learn to drive!
Yes, I fear TFW will use driving instruction as an episode idea. And, of course, we'll have to hear that it's a hundred times harder for her because she's...poke, dab...ALL ALONE.
Yes, I hear there's been a vacancy for some years now....
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Go for it! Heck, maybe I will.
I can write a b.s. blog about once a week. Maybe they'll hire a Purse Boy for me and fly me about the country so I can run races here and there.
Not a bad gig.
Yes, I fear TFW will use driving instruction as an episode idea. And, of course, we'll have to hear that it's a hundred times harder for her because she's...poke, dab...ALL ALONE.
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Of course, because they don't have a father who could teach them to drive.
Such a shame!
I have never sent birthday greetings to my children on social media. I do it in person which is far more important to me and them. Jon doesn't have to follow the crowd.
Do many high schools still offer driver's ed? I took it in high school and got my license at 16, but none of my kids' schools have offered it. They have all had to have private lessons.
I remember I couldn't wait to drive, but my kids have not been so anxious to learn. Perhaps it's due to the area in which we live. Driving around the DC area is not fun--not a bit. My eldest son learned to drive when we were in Germany, but then we moved to Japan, where you drive on the left side of the road. Then we moved to the US, and he had to learn to drive on the right again. Poor guy! I wouldn't wish that on any new driver.
Oh yes, I foresee a driving episode, with Kate screeching and flapping in the passenger's seat. In the end, after lots of filmed drama, she'll announce that she decided to leave the chore to an instructor because she can't risk dying--she has 8 kids to raise.
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I have never sent birthday greetings to my children on social media. I do it in person which is far more important to me and them. Jon doesn't have to follow the crowd.
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Absolutely. I don't get it. You put your kids lives out there, letting anyone and everyone peer into your home and every corner of their lives. You should stfu. Enough is enough.
It's beyond unnecessary and I don't see how shouting out on YOUR social media account helps your kids at all.
Let the twins have a damn social media account, ffs. Let them decide.
I remember I couldn't wait to drive, but my kids have not been so anxious to learn. Perhaps it's due to the area in which we live. Driving around the DC area is not fun--not a bit.
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OMG, between the Beltway and Mixing Bowl, it's a white-knuckle experience!
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Oh yes, you can't get anywhere around here without hitting a major/very busy highway. It still sets my teeth on edge after many years. What I really hate is when my college-age kids are all coming home from school, knowing that they are navigating the beltways (695 or 495), plus I-95 and/or 270. I'm a nervous wreck until they all arrive safely. Driving around here is a blood sport, and road rage is a real concern. How I wish we lived in PA, where it isn't so dangerous to drive! Of course, Kate will pretend it's a harrowing experience (for drama, of course). She has NO idea.
I got my learner's permit when I was 15.
Went on my birthday to get my drivers license. I was driving in town, turned right, way to wide and sped some, ran a red light and was making the much older state trooper very nervous.
Can you believe I made an A on my road test?
He probably didn't want me to come back. lol
TLC is just barely pretending to care about Kate Plus 8 at this point. Their latest 2-sentence post has a number of typos. I just don't get it (lol).
http://bit.ly/2dYN5up
\What I really hate is when my college-age kids are all coming home from school, knowing that they are navigating the beltways (695 or 495), plus I-95 and/or 270. I'm a nervous wreck until they all arrive safely. Driving around here is a blood sport, and road rage is a real concern. How I wish we lived in PA, where it isn't so dangerous to drive!
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I turned a corner a few days ago and almost rear-ended a horse and buggy near the Rumspringa Brewery, and I wasn't imbibing! Route 30 east from Lancaster to Gap can be a challenge during rush hour, but nothing like the beltway enroute to BWI. I do my best driving there around 2 a.m., and in the pre-dawn hours!
Yes, I fear TFW will use driving instruction as an episode idea. And, of course, we'll have to hear that it's a hundred times harder for her because she's...poke, dab...ALL ALONE.
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Well, Jon is dead. Can't they practice in the cemetery where he can reach out? Kate wouldn't be doing it all alone.
Yes, I hear there's been a vacancy for some years now....
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But according to that Kravitz woman (or man), CC is entirely to blame for that.
The only real accident I've ever been in, knock on wood, was in PA and involved wildlife and 4K in damages. I wasn't driving and everyone was fine but the car.
And the animal. He was not fine.
I was thinking about redbird today. Christmas movies will hijack the Hallmark channel beginning Oct. 28!
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Sorry, I meant to link what is currently the top post on the TLC's K+8 FB page. The typos are in the description for "Exclusive Kate Plus" Moments!" And what's really great is, it's bringing up all those "the twins are so disrespectful" comments again.
https://www.facebook.com/KatePlusEight/
In the yoga exclusive found from the FB link, Kate talks about how the kids are "anti-feet." One of the girl tups was crying about how gross it was. Kate said the kids weren't into the "feet thing." And yet there's Kate on her IG saying how happily her girls gave her a foot massage.
Which is it?
What perfect examples of how Kate just says whatever pops into her empty head.
In the yoga exclusive found from the FB link, Kate talks about how the kids are "anti-feet." One of the girl tups was crying about how gross it was. Kate said the kids weren't into the "feet thing." And yet there's Kate on her IG saying how happily her girls gave her a foot massage.
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Foot rub gate is dysfunctional in and of itself but to now hear the kids think feet are gross, as many people do, adds a whole other level of dysfunction to them massaging their mother. So they DO think it's gross, but felt obligated to please her I suppose? That's not right.
If Kate were a man, that would be called grooming behavior. Double standard.
I'm sure Milo has kids, a 20 yr old boy and 17 yr old girl, as she says. She recently IG'd a picture of a young man behind the wheel of a car, comparing his good driving with his sister's not so good driving.
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You're sure she has kids because she has a photo of a young man driving?
I think she's cat fishing someone else's kids. She could easily be Facebook friends with a neighbor, sibling, sister-in-law, and be swiping kid photo from them. She might even spend time with those kids in person and take her own photos. She has adopted the identity of that person and literally stolen their kids. If someone were ever able to sleuth that one out they should let the real mother know.
Out of curiosity I was looking at state driving laws today as I know they have been changing lately, and NO state, including Arkansas, allows an unrestricted license until you are at least 16, with most states going to 17 and even 18! That's great, since you're much more likely to get in an accident at a younger age.
All states these days are putting several restrictions on drivers under 16. Milo would know about all these hoops if she had kids.
I did notice she told some made up story about how her daughter got tickets, and was really ragging on her. I don't think that's funny or something to use as fodder on instagram. If her daughter really is getting speeding tickets at only 17, she really needs to go back to the drawing board and figure out what's going on.
nd what's really great is, it's bringing up all those "the twins are so disrespectful" comments again.
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Thanks for the link .They're really phoning it on on FB.
There are several negative comments and several people demanding to know exactly WHEN is this show coming back, with no one at TLC responding. LOL.
I was going to make one more point about the twins and their lack of activities. The twins are disrespectful, that's the truth of it. They act spoiled and entitled. They say things that should mortify any parent. A major point of keeping kids that age busy and engaged, is socialization. They still need it, and need a lot of it. If anyone out there still thinks it's just fine and dandy for the girls to sleep away the weekend instead of getting up and going to sports practice, or cooking classes, or study group, look at their behavior. Their lack of socialization has done them no favors. They are spending way too much time with Kate and the cameras, and not enough doing normal teen activities.
They are spending way too much time with Kate and the cameras, and not enough doing normal teen activities.
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Zero time spent with their father isn't helping, either. I think Jon brings balance and a good bit a healthy mediocrity to the kids who spend time with him.
I have never sent birthday greetings to my children on social media. I do it in person which is far more important to me and them. Jon doesn't have to follow the crowd.
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You're not a celebrity. Fans seem to expect birthday greetings from celebs to their children. Right or wrong, it's expected. Not only that, but many non-celebrities post birthday greetings to their children on social media. The majority, I daresay. You may not do that and that's fine, but you're in the minority.
Jon doesn't have to follow the crowd, but at the same time, Jon can do what he wants. Jon did nothing wrong.
Jon doesn't have to follow the crowd, but at the same time, Jon can do what he wants. Jon did nothing wrong.
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Well, come to think of it, Jon might not have any other way of reaching the twins if Mady is still mad and punishing him.
I have long suspected Milo resides in GA. As a former resident I can tell you that if a teen gets A speeding ticket, your license is confiscated at juvenile court, not traffic court, and the driver also pays a fine, She paid it from her work money. I do not recall how long my daughter's license was confiscated for, but was MONTHS because I was her driver everywhere. I cannot speak to what happens to repeat teen offenders. She was 16 and only had her license for a short time. I cannot recall if her license was considered suspended or not. I do not believe Milo has teens. It's all made up.
Teaching your teen to drive is nerve wracking for the parent and the child. I would hope TLC skips this but I doubt it. Wouldn't be surprised they script a minor accident to give Kate the platform to be calm or go nuclear. Either way, it's terrible.
I was thinking about redbird today. Christmas movies will hijack the Hallmark channel beginning Oct. 28!
That's nice, but she still posts here. She isn't dead.
She has adopted the identity of that person and literally stolen their kids. If someone were ever able to sleuth that one out they should let the real mother know
You are assusing Milo of kidnapping. You say she "literally" stole the kids. That is a mighty strong statement.
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You are assusing Milo of kidnapping. You say she "literally" stole the kids. That is a mighty strong statement.
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What in the world? I think she's swiping someone else's photos like any good catfish would do. I never said she kidnapped someone's kids. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it no matter how strong you think it is. The fainting couch is over in the corner of the veranda right next to the box of pearls to clutch.
Without bringing politics to the table, it's been five days since the Access Hollywood tape has been made public. I know TFW doesn't keep up with current events, but she is probably aware of the rumours of more lewd comments on unseen Apprentice tapes, I wonder if TFW is hoping further tapes surface and, if she is targeted, it will give her a chance to respond (another People cover possibly).
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@Admin i remember seeing pictures Milo uploaded of 2 kids with their backs turned from the camera and milo claimed that it was her 2 kids.If it was her two kids then who takes a picture of their children with their backs turned?Did they know she was taking a picture of them?Its such a strange picture because it felt like she was waiting to take a picture of them without them knowing.
Milo speaks of two speeding tickets and a toll booth violation. I agree that in most states that could be a HUGE problem for a 17 year old driver.
So happy the sweet little 4 year old girl that was the center of the huge manhunt for her and her kidnapper came to a great ending!
To be kidnapped by a huge man named Wild Hogs must of been so terrifying to the parents. He was a family friend and they hadn't seen him in over 2 years, yet you let him spend the night in your home with your little girl and in the next morning, they are both GONE!
You were the RARE parents that get their child back safe and alive!
Please act like you have some smarts now and don't let any men stay in your home unsupervised around your children.
Sad that TN refused to issue the Amber Alert even when they had been sited in TN and was found in Memphis.
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I was thinking about redbird today. Christmas movies will hijack the Hallmark channel beginning Oct. 28!
That's nice, but she still posts here. She isn't dead.
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There is a poster here with a similar name, but I believe the OP was talking about the Redbird who has posted here for many years (who went by another screen name before Redbird) and who disappeared months ago. Quite awhile ago, someone posted she was ok, but was staying away for some reason, but we never heard anything more from or about her.
I hope she's doing well because she had many serious health problems and I hope she'll check in when she can. The Redbird I and the OP are thinking of is a big fan of older sitcoms, Hallmark movies; she's a staunch supporter of the G-8 and was a welcome figure on the veranda.
Sad that TN refused to issue the Amber Alert even when they had been sited in TN and was found in Memphis.
From all of the reports I've read, Amber alerts were issued all along his trek north. Alerts were supposedly issued in Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky and Alabama and it was because of a flyer about the Amber alert that the security guard at the hospital was able to identify the girl.
This family is so lucky to have their beautiful daughter back. I think the Amber Alerts were key in bringing her home, especially so quickly, and of course the public who paid close attention to them.
I have long believed that Milo does not have children. Remember back when people were discussing Mady crying in the photo from Alaska? Milo chimed in and said, "Who cares why she was crying?" That did it for me. No mother would dismiss a crying child by saying, "Who cares?". Mothers are caregivers. Mothers care. So do most other people, but not Milo.
I believe Milo is a catfish. He/she is claims to be a mom in order to pretend that he/she can relate to Kate.
As far as tickets are concerned, one of my teen sons got two speeding tickets and had to go to court. He got a stern lecture from the judge about driving safely, and had to go to driver's improvement class. The part he really hated--the judge told him to write an essay about the injuries that can be sustained in accidents at different speeds. And he had to pay a fine. His license was not suspended because he did everything he was told to do, and he has not gotten a ticket since. But teenagers speeding is not so easily brushed aside. I can't imagine that Milo's "daughter" would be able to just walk away without some sort of consequences. Milo just wanted a story to tell to get Kate's attention.
I am not Redbird but I always agreed with her about the Hallmark Channel. I don't like the movies. They've been having Christmas creep too. This year the movies start Oct 29. It used to be Thanksgiving. Even if you like the movies they must repeat a lot.
Do any of you who are parents ever take pictures of the backs of your kids' heads? If I did that, my boys would ask what the heck I'm doing. And if I said I was going to post them online, I know they'd think that was creepy.
There was one picture that Milo took of her "daughter", and the girl was walking along a path, and was a long distance ahead of Milo. It was odd, because if the girl were walking with her mother, why would she be so far ahead? Wouldn't she stop and wait for Mom to catch up? The girl seemed oblivious, and the photo was very creepy. And the photo of her son's toy truck in the yard…the boy was supposedly about 17 or 18 at the time, yet his childhood toy was still sitting in the yard after all those years? Don't they ever mow?
Did you notice as well the photo of her "son" was taken from the back seat, and the front passenger seat was empty? Why would a son have his mother sit in the back of the car like he's her chauffeur?
Could have been her uber driver.
Redbird is still posting here under another name. She was having some trouble with that nasty twitter river/cow person. If you know her style of writing you'll know who she is.
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Without bringing politics to the table, it's been five days since the Access Hollywood tape has been made public. I know TFW doesn't keep up with current events, but she is probably aware of the rumours of more lewd comments on unseen Apprentice tapes, I wonder if TFW is hoping further tapes surface and, if she is targeted, it will give her a chance to respond (another People cover possibly).
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But, Kate might very well be flattered if the Donald wanted to put moves on her. After all, she found him attractive, because a successful businessman and money makes men attractive.
(paraphrasing here, but she said it)
But seriously, I don't think Kate would wade into politics. I think even she is aware just how out of her depth she would be.
But seriously, I don't think Kate would wade into politics. I think even she is aware just how out of her depth she would be.
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I think every fiber in her being wishes she could capitalize on this turn of events and just the election in general. She knows Donald personally and worked with him, she could have a lot to say about how he really is and she could score some publicity. But I think you are spot on, she's way too insecure about her lack of knowledge about politics and current events. If she says something about Trump, that opens the door for them to ask her questions about policies that potentially would make her look dumb. Even a simple question like what do you think about Trump's policies is almost certainly something she couldn't even answer, because she doesn't know what he stands for. That is the one and only reason she's not jumping aboard this gravy train.
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Did you notice as well the photo of her "son" was taken from the back seat, and the front passenger seat was empty? Why would a son have his mother sit in the back of the car like he's her chauffeur?
Could have been her uber driver.
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Bwahahaha! Comment of the Day!
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Do any of you who are parents ever take pictures of the backs of your kids' heads? If I did that, my boys would ask what the heck I'm doing. And if I said I was going to post them online, I know they'd think that was creepy.
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If that is Milo's son, she is the biggest hypocrite ever. She praises Kate up and down and supports selling the Gosselin kids' privacy, yet she doesn't ever reveal what her kids look like.
Why not? Is Milo afraid of other people -on social media and the internet in general-seeing what her kids look like? Does she think that puts them at risk? Does she think their privacy is important? Is she honoring their wish to remain private?
I'd love to know exactly why Milo NEVER shows her kids' faces on the internet.
I can't imagine that Milo's "daughter" would be able to just walk away without some sort of consequences. Milo just wanted a story to tell to get Kate's attention.
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I don't think the only consequence is a hike in insurance premiums.
It could very well be that Milo is telling stories of other peoples' lives.
Another IG photo. That's five in the last week. She's working up to something.
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Yes, I miss reading redbirds comments too!
Sherri, if redbird was lurking, I would think redbird would be happy to read everyone's kind thoughts and well wishes.
The veranda here is such a warm and welcoming place here thanks to Admin, the girls and the pool boys!
If Milo indeed lives in Georgia, and I subscribe to that theory as well based on a comment she once made about her local weather, then Milo's daughter could be in serious, serious trouble for having three tickets.
Teen driving penalties are MUCh harsher than for adults:
"First, understand that if you have a learner's permit and get a traffic violation, you can't move on to the next phase. The period of 12 months leading up to the next phase must be violation free.
Second, if you accumulate 4 points in a period of 12 months, your license will be suspended. Some traffic violations are 4 points or more all by themselves. These include violations like reckless driving, aggressive driving, and speeding 24 to 33 MPH over the speed limit."
It's not funny ha-ha, your old man's insurance rates just went up. This is license-losing behavior. Milo is making this whole thing up.
that opens the door for them to ask her questions about policies that potentially would make her look dumb. Even a simple question like what do you think about Trump's policies is almost certainly something she couldn't even answer, because she doesn't know what he stands for.
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Kate's usual m.o. of teasing, speaking in completely vague terms and bandying about little winks and nods wouldn't cut the mustard.
Ooops! BarbGlimer (a long time sheeple) just asked Kate how Collin is doing. I wonder if she will answer or just ignore it as she does with everyone else's questions about his welfare.
Kate splashes the news of Colin's departure on the cover of People magazine, but can't give the occasional, "thanks for your kinds thoughts and prayers for Colin, he's doing fine/responding/we miss him etc"
Just how long has that boy been gone now? I figure 4 months? Maybe more?
This statement needs to be reposted daily here. Jon's relationship with his kids is on him.
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This has been said ad nauseum. Why must it be posted "daily" here? For what purpose?
This has been said ad nauseum. Why must it be posted "daily" here? For what purpose?
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I think most here are pretty much on the same page re: Jon and seeing his kids. It's a mystery.
Jon's IG has been updated consistently with his DJ gigs, so he seems to be working at it hard still.
Kate will never say anything regarding Trump or the election. She's ignorant about anything regarding current events. When she was on w/ Andy Cohen there was an election, debate or primary on and she admitted she was back stage watching Real House Wives of something. Like that is impressive.
Also FYI anyone with that many children are watched by family and children services!
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That's not true. Child protective services does not have the resources to generally "watch" a large family. They don't have the money nor is it constitutional for the government to stake out your family just because it's large. It's very easy for a family to fly under the radar. Most abuse goes unreported.
As far as the doctors recommending he leave school, she should have hired an educational attorney to force the PUBLIC school to accommodate whatever his needs were, as required by law. Even if that meant he needs a one-on-one teacher and a class of three kids, the school would be required to provide it under the ADA.
A school that does not permit sibling visits should be shut down.
Kate's usual m.o. of teasing, speaking in completely vague terms and bandying about little winks and nods wouldn't cut the mustard.
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She did the same thing on CA and she showed how lazy and incompetent she truly was.
And she got fired, again.
When she was on w/ Andy Cohen there was an election, debate or primary on and she admitted she was back stage watching Real House Wives of something. Like that is impressive.
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If I recall, she wouldn't even admit that! She tried to hedge around the question and Andy called her out on watching Real Housewives because he saw her watching it. LOL.
I forgot what event that was, but it was a big one. Maybe the first party debate or something. Millions were glued to their screens. Ratings were through the roof. And there was Kate, watching menopausal plastic women have drama. What an ignoramus.
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Kate will never say anything regarding Trump or the election. She's ignorant about anything regarding current events. When she was on w/ Andy Cohen there was an election, debate or primary on and she admitted she was back stage watching Real House Wives of something. Like that is impressive.
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Didn't TFW lead Andy to believe that she was watching the debates and he called her out and said that she was watching the Real Housewives?
On a serious note, for once in my life I really would be interested in whether Kate ever observed any ill treatment of herself or other women by Trump. He claims that was in the past and it would be interesting to hear a first hand account of how he treated women from just a few years ago.
I never got the impression she had any ill will toward him. She seemed enamored with your honor, which is hard to believe if someone is sexually assaulting you all the time. Although knowing dumb Kate she might not be able to recognize a sexual assault when she sees one. Plus, she's at best a 5, and Trump doesn't bother when your number is that low.
Of course, Milo's two comments on K8's latest IG post are almost as many words as all the other comments combined.
miloandjack2016 Aww..how precious is this! Kudos to you for giving your kids the experience to raise 2 pups again...they are older & can appreciate them more now! So i guess #Nanuq is the soccer ball girl and #Mak is the rough & tumble tug of war boy! Who usually wins? @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 Your pic here is so beautiful! Such lush green grass & trees.. and so much room for your large family to roam & play! Your kids are so blessed to grow up in these surroundings! I hope they realize how hard you have worked to have this for them? #Blessed. @kateplusmy8
I love how she willfully ignores the fact that the kids have worked at least as hard as Kate to provide all that for all of them. And she phrases that as a question? As if Kate never mentions to them all of her "hard work" as a #SingleMom? LMAO, she tells everyone else often enough!
Andy Cohen there was an election, debate or primary on and she admitted she was back stage watching Real House Wives of something. Like that is impressive.
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I believe it was a debate and a very important one, at that. Kate looked like it wouldn't even have occurred to her to watch. Meanwhile, Andy Cohen and Morgan Fairchild engaged on the topic.
Kate is someone who thinks making sure the world keeps on working just as it is is someone else's job. Whose? She has no idea, nor does she care.
Plus, she's at best a 5, and Trump doesn't bother when your number is that low.
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Didn't he call Heidi Klum an "8"? Jeez, with the bar set that high, I should just wear a sack and Birkenstocks and call it a day ;-)
I think of Kate's CA cast, Brandy really stood out as striking, and of course, she was a model.
And, oozes sex.
I found it kinda sketchy when Gladys posted that bird picture, trying to pass it off as her own, and it was found on the internet. Why lie about something like that? She could've just said she'd seen the picture somewhere.
Sad but true (#92), not only have the kids worked just as hard as TFW, they did so without their own consent. Unless you count the alleged family vote conducted when the tups were still in diapers.
Yes, Gladys, yes, it's a beautiful happy family scene! Kids and dogs frolicking in the grass! Except for the child TFW sent away!
#K8+7#AllIsGr8#CWho?
Didn't he call Heidi Klum an "8"? Jeez, with the bar set that high, I should just wear a sack and Birkenstocks and call it a day ;-)
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Did you retire your pink knee socks and Crocs?
Could have been her uber driver.
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Maybe it wasn't her son. Maybe it was the van driver from the facility.
I have long believed that Milo does not have children. Remember back when people were discussing Mady crying in the photo from Alaska? Milo chimed in and said, "Who cares why she was crying?" That did it for me. No mother would dismiss a crying child by saying, "Who cares?". Mothers are caregivers. Mothers care. So do most other people, but not Milo.
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Maybe she's cut from the same cloth as Kate and really doesn't care. She wants to be like Kate, and so she thinks like Kate, who obviously was nonchalant about the reason for her daughter's tears.
Re: teens driving...
My one daughter took her test and did bad. Flunked first time (she was so nervous). The test guy told her she might as well just get in the car with a shot gun and shoot herself instead. (he was known to be a jerk)
She did get it on the next try and has been an excellent driver for 20 yrs now.
Ingrid (#100), sheesh, what a harsh instructor! Glad your daughter wasn't deterred, and passed on her next try.
If TFW does indeed have the twins' driving lessons on the show, remember this crucial fact: there will be TLC cameras inside and/or outside the car. So the poor kid wouldn't just be having an ordinary lesson with her mom -- there would be others in
the equation. Realest reality, folks.
My one daughter took her test and did bad. Flunked first time (she was so nervous)
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I never remember being so nervous. I don't know if this is still true but in New York State you have to parallel park, and if you were anything more than a foot from the curb it was an automatic flunk. Didn't matter if you aced everything else. We often thought it was a silly exercise since in our part of New York, if you need to parallel park you haven't hunted hard enough for a nice long open spot to drive straight into. In any case, it was required, and I practiced it and practiced it and was usually way too far from the curb. Magically, on the day of the test I absolutely NAILED IT. Total fluke.
To this day I still may need to parallel park a couple times before I get it right. Yet I can't believe on the day of the test it worked out.
doesn't bother when your number is that low.
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Didn't he call Heidi Klum an "8"? Jeez, with the bar set that high, I should just wear a sack and Birkenstocks and call it a day ;-)
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He's got quite a complicated ranking system. His standards are high, and you can automatically lose points for things even if you've got a lot of other things going for you. Like apparently you automatically cannot be a ten if you have small boobs. So there goes my hopes and dreams. With all my automatic deductions, I'm afraid I'm at best a 4, and that's on a good day.
I miss the good ole days where you could log onto HotorNot.com in your college dorm and giggle over a couple cheap beers as you clicked which of two classmates (you might actually recognize) were hotter. It was similar to what Mark Zuckerberg set up in his college days. In hindsight I imagine there would be a heck of a lot of pearl clutching over those sites, but that site was HUGE, I'm talking entire campus was on it, but we all eventually moved on and grew up.
I wonder if any of the current pearl clutchers, especially the clutchers in their 20's and 30's, remember that site and if they ever spent any time on it or laughed with someone else who did. Seems a bit hypocritical.
I wonder how Donald reacts to being called a 2? And that's on the high side.
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He's got quite a complicated ranking system. His standards are high, and you can automatically lose points for things even if you've got a lot of other things going for you. Like apparently you automatically cannot be a ten if you have small boobs. So there goes my hopes and dreams. With all my automatic deductions, I'm afraid I'm at best a 4, and that's on a good day.
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Can you get points for boobs, or do you just lose them for small ones? Because without positive points for boobs, I'm afraid I'm a zero in the Donald's ranking scheme.
I never got the impression she had any ill will toward him. She seemed enamored with your honor, which is hard to believe if someone is sexually assaulting you all the time. Although knowing dumb Kate she might not be able to recognize a sexual assault when she sees one. Plus, she's at best a 5, and Trump doesn't bother when your number is that low.
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What a vile comment. Have you always been this much of a bitch, or is it a skill you've developed over time?
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Well, given I gave myself an even lower number than Kate, as have other posters I think the intent behind the post was clearly to poke fun at Trump's complicated and involved "rating" system. We are TEASING, lighten up.
The fainting couch is around the corner. Smelling salts are available upon request.
What a vile comment. Have you always been this much of a bitch, or is it a skill you've developed over time?
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Well, given I gave myself an even lower number than Kate, as have other posters I think the intent behind the post was clearly to poke fun at Trump's complicated and involved "rating" system. We are TEASING, lighten up.
The fainting couch is around the corner. Smelling salts are available upon request.
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Good to see your stalker is alive and well, Admin. Always lurking and hanging on your every word, just waiting to pounce.
Kate understood very well that Trump responds to attractive women, and if you watched how she flattered him with her coquettish manner to gain his favor, you know she knew how to play the game with him.
Kate understands feminine wiles and uses them to get what she wants, so let's stop with the Puritanical protestations.
I don't know if Kate understands what she's actually getting into when she teases men. I cringed when she offered to hug and kiss a construction guy if he did her a favor (building those stupid bullseye things). She's very flirty and perhaps emboldened by always having Steve and her film crew around to run interference for her.
So far, I haven't heard any female CA contestant lodge a sexual harassment complaint against Trump. There are others, however, claiming he made groping advances.
This election is one for the record books.
Pass the Rumspringa!
Kate understood very well that Trump responds to attractive women, and if you watched how she flattered him with her coquettish manner to gain his favor, you know she knew how to play the game with him.
Kate understands feminine wiles and uses them to get what she wants, so let's stop with the Puritanical protestations.
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Men are sexual beings. Women are sexual beings. While many confine it strictly to the bedroom, both genders have their members who are perfectly willing to take sex out in public.
As long as there are people like Kate who respond to Trump's ministrations and encourage it, there will be no reason to lock one's sexuality in a closet. If we want to revert to a Puritan society, then both genders need to agree not to be sexual in public anymore. BOTH. That includes no flirting, no comments about people's appearance or bodies, no comments about who you would like to be sexual with. Nothing. Even comments you thought were private between two or three people must not be made. (Oh, and I'm not so sure it's healthy for warm blooded male and females to put sexuality under lock and key.)
Really scratching my head over the moral outrage on this one.
Oh, and the raunchiest things I've ever heard have been out of women's mouths.
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I found it kinda sketchy when Gladys posted that bird picture, trying to pass it off as her own, and it was found on the internet. Why lie about something like that? She could've just said she'd seen the picture somewhere.
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Sketchy Gladys. lol Hasn't she posted several pictures over the years that were confirmed to be from stock photos or google images?
It is disturbing that Gladys doesn't ask TFW anything about Colin. She avoids that like the plague. I think she is afraid that will do more harm than good.
Her posts to TFW about the twins driving, the puppy paloosa, just oozes a level of creepiness that is stomach turning.
Flimsy, and everyone, your suggested Gladys hash tags are hilarious.
So far, I haven't heard any female CA contestant lodge a sexual harassment complaint against Trump. There are others, however, claiming he made groping advances.
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Color me holding women back, but I always found it funny that a female contestant in the boardroom would be in the middle of a serious explanation about the task, and Trump would interrupt to say something irrelevant like, isn't she just beautiful? She's beautiful!
The woman would say thank you, Mr. Trump, then go on with her thought.
Guys think about sex 99% of the time. Trump just doesn't have the filter most do for some reason.
Guys think about sex 99% of the time. Trump just doesn't have the filter most do for some reason.
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I think more than that, Trump has money, power and position that emboldens him to do things most people would never, ever get away with.
I actually feel bad for Melania right about now.
I wonder when NBC is going to have the cajones to actually fire Billy Bush. He's not my cup of tea, especially on the Today show, but man I feel for the guy. He just moved to the opposite coast to take another direction with his life and career and it just went to hell in a hand basket.
ept that behavior. If Hillary Clinton were on tape saying she wandered up to men and grabbed their dicks because she's famous and can, I'm pretty damn sure you wouldn't be defending her.
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Nope you just have Hillary on tape laughing at how her client she knew was guilty of raping a 12 year old somehow passed a lie detector test and she got him off with a couple months served. Yet somehow that tape isn't making the rounds of the pearl clutchers. Interesting.
Danger, Will Robinson! Political talk is back on the veranda!
I think next year Hallmark might start their holiday lineup on Labor Day. Like Redbird,
I miss their usual lineup -- particularly reruns of I Love Lucy and The Middle. Speaking of the latter, I DVR's their Season 8 premiere, but haven't watched it yet. I know I have some fellow Middle fans reading here. It's never been a critics' darling like Modern Family, but I think it's a solid, funny show.
Admin...112...Yet somehow that tape isn't making the rounds of the pearl clutchers. Interesting.
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It has made the rounds and been disproved.
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
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I think every fiber in her being wishes she could capitalize on this turn of events and just the election in general. She knows Donald personally and worked with him, she could have a lot to say about how he really is and she could score some publicity. But I think you are spot on, she's way too insecure about her lack of knowledge about politics and current events. If she says something about Trump, that opens the door for them to ask her questions about policies that potentially would make her look dumb. Even a simple question like what do you think about Trump's policies is almost certainly something she couldn't even answer, because she doesn't know what he stands for. That is the one and only reason she's not jumping aboard this gravy train.
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I also don't think that any members of the press are beating down her door to get her opinions on this.
I also saw a short article earlier in the week about Mark Burnett threatening to fire/penalize any CA staffers who talked about their experiences in this area as well as a quote from a CA producer who stated it would cost her 3.5 million to violate the non-disclosure agreement she signed for CA. And we all know the respect TFMJG has for non-disclosure agreements.
The Middle premier was great!
I also liked the premier of "American Housewife". I think the cast is great, especially Katy Mixon.
"O'Neils" was funny.
"Modern Family"- meh. I think it's getting close to its expiration date.
Anyone watching "Designated Survivor"? I think it's going to have some good twists and turns.
TLC- Anyone watch the channel? Do they have anything good or new in their lineup?
Admin...112...Yet somehow that tape isn't making the rounds of the pearl clutchers. Interesting.
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It has made the rounds and been disproved.
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/
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Well, I've heard the tape myself. I suggest you listen to the tape. A couple things on snopes are flat out wrong, especially when they claim she didn't know he was guilty. She clearly says ON TAPE she believes he was guilty, it's right on the tape. She also clearly laughs at the guy being able to pass a lie detector test, and brags about getting him time served. While I agree she did not laugh AT the victim directy, how would you feel if you were the victim, or her parents, and she's chuckling over the guy passing a lie detector test which she then used to get him off? I don't understand why laughter would ever enter into the conversation about a rape victim, and I've represented both rape victims and child molesters. It's not funny.
Listen to her own words, not a snopes summary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2f13f2awK4
I also saw a short article earlier in the week about Mark Burnett threatening to fire/penalize any CA staffers who talked about their experiences in this area as well as a quote from a CA producer who stated it would cost her 3.5 million to violate the non-disclosure agreement she signed for CA.
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Well since you can't "confidentiality agreement" away sexual assault or other criminal activity, there's no reason for the contestants not to speak their minds. The only other logical explanation is he never hurt anyone. A shame they're not allowed to say so.
And we all know the respect TFMJG has for non-disclosure agreements.
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Yes!
I did see the stuff with Mark Burnett.
So many people are getting dragged into this. I've never seen anything like it.
Throw Wiki Leaks in there, and it's just nuts!
He bragged about SEXUAL ASSAULT. The outrage is over his self-described ACTIONS, not the "locker room" words. If you are okay with men grabbing your crotch without your consent, that's your business, but don't expect others to accept that behavior
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I never said such behavior was acceptable or even that *I* accepted it. Of course sexual harassment is not okay. What I said was that such behavior is pervasive. My only issue is the idea that Trump being a pervert is some kind of unique thing in politics or even among THOSE TWO. Grow up and stop with the spin. If you think you are choosing a candidate who has been good to women, you're living in a fantasy world. Laughing about the child rapist, threatening Broaddrick to shut up about her rape or else, numerous other statements from Bill Clinton's victims about what she did to them can be found all over the internet, part and parcel to covering up Bill's misdeeds. Get real. Sexual assault is not okay no more than trying to cover UP someone's assaults. It's time to accept that both candidates have not been kind to women and that there's no major party candidate running this year who has always been respectful to women.
Well since you can't "confidentiality agreement" away sexual assault or other criminal activity, there's no reason for the contestants not to speak their minds.
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Ah, good point.
Still, I don't think Kate is getting requests for comments. There have been far more dynamic women and men on CA over the years.
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I think more than that, Trump has money, power and position that emboldens him to do things most people would never, ever get away with.
I actually feel bad for Melania right about now.
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Yes that helps, though all the stories of sexual harassment that people are telling just proves the point that this is widespread and that there's no way to find a candidate who has not said or done somethign inappropriate at some point. The fluttering and fainting over this is astonishing. Wake up.
Look at Kennedy. He is beloved to this day, yet the White House was practically a frat house under his watch. He was banging anything and everything that had a vagina.
This has been said ad nauseum. Why must it be posted "daily" here? For what purpose?
Seriously? 90% of the comments here are ad nauseum. So repetitive, you could open the blog a year ago and the same things would be being said. But when it comes to Jon, you get bristly.
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You were ordering people to post a certain sentiment daily. That's different than people posting what they like of their own free will, regardless how repetitive you find it. Posters here don't get to tell others how and when to post. Only the moderators have any say in that, and usually that comes in the form of simply not publishing comments that break the rules.
It's time to accept that both candidates have not been kind to women and that there's no major party candidate running this year who has always been respectful to women.
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Agree. Neither Hillary nor Trump hold much of a higher ground, if any.
I HATE that with under a month until the election, we, the people, are getting spun and played and manipulated, instead of being focused on that these two can and will do if elected.
Gawd. I'm so sick of even hearing about these allegations, on BOTH sides. It's gotten so dirty, and TPTB are playing us citizens for fools.
We have very important issues to weigh, yet time is being monopolized by these spinmeisters who want to play games of smoke and mirrors.
Oh, this is priceless coming from an attorney. She did her JOB as a public defender even though she had asked not to be put on the case
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Well, I do my job too having defending child rapists. Have you defended child rapists?
My job does not including laughing over it, ANY aspect of it, nor bragging about how I got them off when the family and the victim could very well hear it. Your JOB, is to say no comment.
As much as the sports players have come out claiming locker room talk doesn't go that way, I can tell you with absolute certainty I have NEVER heard a fellow attorney much less myself talk about such cases in such a way. We are respectful of the victims, we don't brag about wins, we don't give interviews. We don't laugh.
Agree Tucker.
Time for the media to grow up and call a truce. Their paths are absolutely full of garbage, on both sides. Do NOT put one candidates misdeeds out there as if the other doesn't have a background full of sludge. Gimme a break and let's focus on the issues.
I met a lawyer who told me, because he was trained to argue 'both ways', his responsibility was to the person he represents. In other words, even if he knew someone was guilty, he would do all he could to represent the person's "not guilty" plea.
I recollect the O.J. trial. Cochrane et al had to know O.J. was guilty of murdering two people. The team pulled out all stops to ensure the jury returned a verdict of not guilty.
The object for lawyers is to "win". I am of the opinion Clinton, in securing a lesser sentence for her client, considered this a "win". Had she been prosecuting, I believe she would have requested and obtained a much greater sentence and that also would have been a "win".
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So repetitive, you could open the blog a year ago and the same things would be being said.
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And, yet, here you still are, like herpes. Our little gift that keeps on giving.
Whoever you are, you feed off of our conversations and you know it. You lurk here waiting for the crumbs we feed you, then you swallow them with abandon, as your eager finger fly across the keyboard, penning your next attack on Admin or one of us.
It's like banging your head against the wall and complaining of a headache.
But, you like the headache, the anger and the ire, and apparently, have no plans on stopping the banging, and lurking.
Thanks to Admin and staff for donning your hip waders each day and shoveling this shit for the team.
My job does not including laughing over it, ANY aspect of it, nor bragging about how I got them off when the family and the victim could very well hear it. Your JOB, is to say no comment.
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It's my sense that Hillary was a very ambitious lawyer from the start, and this bravado and lack of sensitivity might have been part of the "boy culture" she was trying to show that she had the "stuff".
I can understand this, but she needs to show contrition. Even I, a non-lawyer, understand that your duty entails things that you might revile, but you execute your duties as sworn.
Most of us have immature and selfish moments that we would take back if we could. We grow and have regrets, and sometimes need to apologize.
When there's even a whiff of doubt, I think an apology for offense or even a perceived offense, is the right thing, and the smart thing to do.
Time for the media to grow up and call a truce.
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DH said that he'd love to see an old school debate where one candidate puts on headphones while the other answers, taking turns, so the people can hear ONLY what they would do, or say, or change.
No finger pointing. No pivoting. No attacking.
The media sucks and we're all the losers in their game.
Do NOT put one candidates misdeeds out there as if the other doesn't have a background full of sludge.
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But isn't that what Trump did when he held a press conference with Clinton's accusers and then later brought them to the debate?
BTW, Broaddrick testified under oath that nothing happened between her and Clinton. Then a year later she testified that she was raped. So she committed perjury in one of those testimonies, yet you're ready and willing to believe the latter of the two.
Admin...118...Listen to her own words, not a snopes summary:
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I have listened to the interview and it appears to me that facts have been twisted and tweaked just enough to change insensitive and thoughtless to absolute evil. Not by you and not just in this instance. Both sides in this election have delivered a plethora of memes and blurbs that are distortions of facts or complete fabrications that are presented as truth and far too many voters are happy to lap up whatever sour milk fits with their ideology. This election has not been about truth for a long time, if it ever was.
Sorry, back to my non-politics corner.
I have listened to the interview and it appears to me that facts have been twisted and tweaked just enough to change insensitive and thoughtless to absolute evil
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But isn't that what Trump did when he held a press conference with Clinton's accusers and then later brought them to the debate?
BTW, Broaddrick testified under oath that nothing happened between her and Clinton.
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If you listen to Trump's rallies it's one lie after another after another....reading from hacked, proven edited emails. It's a campaign of disinformation.
Back under the veranda....
No, you explicitly stated that you did not understand the moral outrage. How about you grow up and own your wo
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Correct. Because I don't see the same moral outrage over many other documented incidents including his fellow candidates. If that's all fine and dandy moral outrage doesn't make a whole lot of sense. People were just looking for a reason to hate trump no matter how much other candidates have done the same or similar behavior. Totally hypocritical.
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other candidates have done the same or similar behavior
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I have no desire to discuss politics here or anywhere else online.
But politics aside, who else has been recorded or caught specifically bragging he could sexually assault a woman and get away with it? Who do you have in mind?
And not just in general. He just finished saying he kisses women whether they want to be kissed or not. He said as a star he could sexually assault them and they wouldn't do anything. That's more than just locker room banter. He didn't just say "I would like to..." What he said was on a whole other level.
Who else has been recorded saying such things?
As for Hillary laughing about the child rape, I think she was laughing more about how polygraph tests are laughable as evidence, from her own personal experience. That's how it seemed to me.
Bill Clinton makes me sick. Hillary makes me sick (for supporting her husband among other things), and Donald Trump makes me sick. They all make me sick. No one is better than the other on so many different levels.
So this comment isn't about "politics" for me.
Also, I don't think it's about people looking for a "reason to hate Trump," as you say.
Billy Bush has also been condemned for his part in the conversation, as well as what took place after the conversation when they met the actress, etc.
I don't think anyone was just "looking for a reason to hate Billy Bush."
As a non-american I hate to get involved, but maybe to give some perspective of how the rest of the world sees this.
Trump seems to represent the stereotypical american that is portrayed around the world. Self absorbed, loud, unconcerned for anyone but themselves. Clinton definitely has her faults, and there is something about her that is unlikable.
As the most powerful country in the world, the rest of us are very uncomfortable with what's going on. Your international decisions affect everyone.
A country is not just how well it does economically. Its how it treats its citizens and others around the world.
And I don't want to get lambasted about my thoughts - I wasn't even going to post this. I can't vote, and the domestic policies of either will not affect my daily life.
Just my 2 cents
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As a non-american I hate to get involved, but maybe to give some perspective of how the rest of the world sees this.
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That's exactly how I think we are being perceived for this 3-ring circus of an election.
I'm embarrassed because this is beneath us.
I hope and pray we rise up and never repeat this election cycle ever again.
Just saying for me, I'm not offended by your post ;-)
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We need a virtual Rumspringa bash on the veranda on November 9! I can't wait until this is over.
I don't think anyone was just "looking for a reason to hate Billy Bush."
October 13, 2016 at 11:48 AM
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I don't know if you're referring to something I wrote, which was that I think NBC might see this as an opportunity to fire BB from the Today show.
I don't think he's a good fit (as a viewer), and I think his co-anchors don't like him much either. They don't exactly look cozy.
That's just my suspicion.
Ugh this was my respite place from politics. 😖
I feel the same as Tucker. An international joke. Which can become quite dangerous.
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"As for Hillary laughing about the child rape, I think she was laughing more about how polygraph tests are laughable as evidence, from her own personal experience. That's how it seemed to me."
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She was also laughing because a pair of underpants was obtained that had blood stains and were sent off to a lab for testing. The underpants were returned.....with a hole cut where the blood had been, so the only evidence was a pair of underpants with a hole in them.
"Bill Clinton makes me sick. Hillary makes me sick (for supporting her husband among other things), and Donald Trump makes me sick. They all make me sick. No one is better than the other on so many different levels."
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Amen and amen.
Yes Tucker's Mom I'm watching Designated Survivor and I say Tom Kirkman for president! I'm just waiting for him to give a good Jack Bauer "dammit" or “Trust me. You do not want to go down this road with me.” And that is the only political discussion that I'll join in. Like Jillygee, this is my respite place from politics.
LOL - no offence Tucker's Mom. I just don't see what others see in Trump I guess.
I don't agree with all of what our leaders (Canada) do or say, and I wasn't a big fan of our previous Prime Minister, but I never feared that he would embarrass our country on the world stage.
I know many Americans - all smart, sophisticated, and intelligent. I guess I just don't get it.
Thank you for mentioning 'Designated Survivor'. I missed the last episode so just called it up on demand.
As for the political environment: I thought the Canadian stumping went on too long because it expanded from six weeks to about six months (unofficially). I don't know how you people stand this. Your real civil war lasted only a little longer than this and the damage is still not entirely healed.
As another non-American, I agree with Nicky's comments @138 and with Tucker's Mom @139, yes, this election campaign is beneath all Americans.
I've never known a campaign like this and I fear, regardless of who wins, sadly there will be violence following election day. I fervently hope I am wrong.
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You're all right- this is a respite from politics. Sorry it spills over sometimes. It's like letting off steam or your held is going to explode!
I long for the days when talking about Trump was only about TFW!!
Let's get on track.
Kate Gosselin Recalls one Regret From Her Time on Reality TV - People
People Magazine › Kate-Gosselin-recalls-...
TV. Kate Gosselin and Her 8: 10 Years Later – I Wish I Hadn't Melted Down as Much.
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Don't you think it is odd that she said that she wished she hadn't of melted down as much?
Shouldn't it be, I deeply regret the way I have acted, I wish I hadn't melted down at all and I wish I had asked for help and started counciling?
I personally don't like this part of the election. Trump said awful things about sexual assault. The reply for me is not that Bill Clinton or Jack Kennedy may have done equally bad things. I can decide how I feel about Trump based on those statements. I can do the same for Hilary based on her statements or actions. We will in the end do what we have always done: vote based on our own issues. If your main issue is eliminating abortion or buying more guns or kicking out immigrants you'll vote for Trump. My main issue has to do with healthcare. I am convinced that Trump will eliminate my healthcare and disability payments and I will be dead in a year. I think we reached the point months ago where anyone would be swayed. We should have saved money and eliminated the debates and television ads and all that crap. I am not going to try to convince anyone here to change their minds.
Ever follow a South American or European election? They're ten times worse and often very corrupt and fixed. This is nothing. It's just our pilgrim roots that make us so aghast.
I was kinda thinking that maybe DH and I would go to a wonky bar to watch the election results come in, but then again, maybe next election ;-)
I'll make an audible call...
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 149
Ever follow a South American or European election? They're ten times worse and often very corrupt and fixed. This is nothing. It's just our pilgrim roots that make us so aghast.
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That reminds me of a really good movie I watched on cable (HBO?)- "Our Brand Is Crisis" with Sandra Bullock and Billy Bob Thornton.
I had no big expectations, but thought it was really well done. I was engaged throughout.
Fascinating to compare and contrast elections in other countries.
Don't you think it is odd that she said that she wished she hadn't of melted down as much?
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Not so much odd as scripted. I don't think she really feels she went overboard, but it makes good will for herself if she acts upset at her past behavior.
Deliverance said...
She was also laughing because a pair of underpants was obtained that had blood stains and were sent off to a lab for testing. The underpants were returned.....with a hole cut where the blood had been, so the only evidence was a pair of underpants with a hole in them.
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Yeah, nothing funny about that. At all.
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I don't think anyone was just "looking for a reason to hate Billy Bush."
I don't know if you're referring to something I wrote
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No. My comment was in reply to Admin saying that people are "just looking for a reason to hate Donald Trump."
That argument doesn't work for me because then it would also have to apply to the public's outrage toward Billy Bush.
My opinions of Donald Trump's disgusting comments, and Billy Bush's contributions to the situation, are not based on anything political.
It's interesting, and more than a little scary, to see how preconceived heavily emotional notions can dictate important decisions even in intelligent people.
Any chance on a ban on politics here? There's not enough rumspringa in the world....
That argument doesn't work for me because then it would also have to apply to the public's outrage toward Billy Bush.
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Bush is a cousin of George bush so that was pretty guilt free to take him out as just part of that clan. Although I haven't seen the outrage against him asmuch. If anything people seem to feel it's unfair he got caught up in this. Especially when journalists are the worst in terms of raunchy talk and behavior. Look at Peter Jennings. He was well known as an absolute womanizer and pig but he was allowed a storied career. I sense some over compensation from that crowd.
No, you explicitly stated that you did not understand the moral outrage. How about you grow up and own your wo
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Better idea. How about if you searched out a new playground and threw your insults around there, or is the other site/blog just getting a bit boring?
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I don't see a lot of support for Billy Bush. I also don't see much indication people are condemning him based on the fact he's a Bush.
I really don't think can compare a womanizer with someone bragging about sexually assaulting someone and even worse, knowing they can get away with it.
It's not the same as talking about a woman, even saying what you would like to do to her. That's disgusting and wrong, but I can see some men saying that's "locker room talk." But to physically put his hands in her and sexually assault her?!? And brag he can get away with it? I don't see how anyone can defend it or make light of it. How does anyone defend violating a woman like that?
In happier news, is anyone else enjoying baseball's post season? The Cubbies and the Nats are still both in it, plus poor Cleveland. It's almost an embarrassment of riches.
In happier news, is anyone else enjoying baseball's post season?
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No. Once again, there's no celebrating in the Bronx. My boys, having lost Jeter and Mo, are off the field. Time to give old Joe G. the pink slip.
I'm enjoying baseball and have hopes for the Nats. Also enjoying my Eagles.
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Bush is a cousin of George bush so that was pretty guilt free to take him out as just part of that clan.
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Do you meant George Boosh? Is he a Jehovas, according to the church women?
"Seen two jehovas whiteness fighting a clown in the street look like the clown wining lmbo"
"Seen BOB DILLION win the noble peace price THATS my man hehehe almost left TJ for he's hot TOOSHIE LMBO just kidding 143 that man"
Yeah, I've always like Bob Dillion. Glad he won the noble price.
NYY Julianna (#160), nice to see you posting. But sorry about the Yanks. Wait'll next year!
If someone asked me if I've always been a bitch, I'd probably answer, "Yes. Have you always been a palaverous pest?"
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Ever follow a South American or European election? They're ten times worse and often very corrupt and fixed. This is nothing. It's just our pilgrim roots that make us so aghast.
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But they don't go on so bloody long. We've been at this now for nearly two years, and it's enough already.
I read about an interesting poll yesterday, I can't recall who it was conducted by, but I'm sure it could be easily googled. Among other things, they asked what Americans' top fear was---economic meltdown, terrorism, natural disaster, etc. For the second year in a row, 60% said "Corruption in our government." As heinous as Trump appears, I think the reason for his support is simply because he is not a Clinton. The election of HRC means, to most people (including myself), "business as usual" in DC. I for one have been very disturbed by the way our civil servants have now become this country's "elites." Government employees in 2016 have better insurance, pensions, and access (every time I think of the piles of money being made on the side by members of Congress, I want to scream) than any other segment of our society except for the 1%. The Clintons seem to have played a pretty large role in that, not to mention all of the people they employ who appear to have had second and third jobs as consultants outside the government which were, in effect, dependent on their government access (while at the same time being paid by the government!). This sort of thing did not happen 30 years ago. There used to be a much clearer line between public and private, and the blurring of it has not been to the advantage of most Americans.
Suffice to say, I think for a lot of people the fact that Trump is a Washington outsider is what makes him attractive. If nothing else, he would not walk in there and just accept "business as usual." As opposed to the Clintons, who have taken full advantage, in and out of government, of the status quo.
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Don't you think it is odd that she said that she wished she hadn't of melted down as much?
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Not so much odd as scripted. I don't think she really feels she went overboard, but it makes good will for herself if she acts upset at her past behavior.
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The "regret," I am sure, is simply part of the rebranding, trying to make a kinder, gentler Kate. This is not a woman who ever says sorry or ever feels that she has to say sorry. Remember, her kids were expected to apologize to HER after she beat the shit out of them. Based on the comments on her TLC FB page (where she is regularly called out for her bad behavior, and most people believe that's where Mady got it from), I am sure this is part of the new image she and TLC are crafting. It'll never be believable because nothing about her reality show is real. And people are, I think, catching on to that.
I for one have been very disturbed by the way our civil servants have now become this country's "elites."
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That's a joke isn't it Sad But True? I didn't realize that I'm an elite. The government doesn't just hand us insurance we pick the plan we want and we pay just like everyone else. I'm one of the lucky ones that is under the old CSRS and when I retire I'll get a good pension but that system is long gone and those under FERS will have to rely more on the government's equivelant of a 401 and social security. Nothing is handed to us. Elite indeed!
In happier news, is anyone else enjoying baseball's post season?
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Post season? That ended for me when the METS lost to the Giants. There's always next year.
Sad but true (#169), and TFW's fans don't even seem to be begging to have her back on the air. How the mighty have fallen.
If the new shows finally start airing in January, that'll be 2 months before her 42nd birthday. The snapshot in people's minds of that frazzled young mom with the porcupine haircut and tons of kids is already a decade old. As many people here point out, she's gone through so many reinventions,
and nothing seems to "take." And I think that's because her authentic self is, well, inauthentic.
As for us being an international joke.....too late, we already are and have been for awhile. Especially after Iran.
"I met a lawyer who told me, because he was trained to argue 'both ways', his responsibility was to the person he represents. In other words, even if he knew someone was guilty, he would do all he could to represent the person's "not guilty" plea."
Of course! That's the solemn duty a lawyer takes on. You represent the interests of your client, and it's not as hard as people think it is. Lots of people do the same even when a customer is being rude, or a patient is being uncooperative. You just keep doing your job. That's not the issue for me, although I understand some people think she shouldn't have represented him at all (People who don't understand the duty of a defense lawyer). But, there's a big but, you can still defend heinous people without being nasty about it to the people they hurt.
By the way, the best explanation I've ever heard of defense attorneys, and believe, is that you should support defense attorneys defending people zealously, because when it comes around and it's you and you didn't do it, that's what you want.
Nothing, nothing in our oath, requires a defense attorney to be hurtful and callous toward the victim and their family. Nothing requires us to be caviler, or to blab about a case to the press, or to laugh off certain aspects of it to the horror of others. Some play it that way naturally, but most I've met are respectful and dignified, never laughing or joking about such serious matters, and not bragging about wins that got guilty people off.
As to they're both scum double amen. Say what you like, but don't not cast a vote for Trump because you think you're getting someone with better morals and friendly to women. I can't even. As for Broaddrick testifying under oath nothing happen, gee, like no one sexually assaulted has ever said it never happened! She was petrified to say the truth. She now says otherwise, and told a very detailed and credible story of the totally creepy intimidation she received from Hillary. Duh, that's why she said under oath that never happened, she was intimidated to do so.
I have no words-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3837514/Jon-Gosselin-posts-throwback-snap-daughters-Mady-Cara-16th-birthday.html
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 150
Ever follow a South American or European election? They're ten times worse and often very corrupt and fixed. This is nothing. It's just our pilgrim roots that make us so aghast.
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I read about an interesting poll yesterday, I can't recall who it was conducted by, but I'm sure it could be easily googled. Among other things, they asked what Americans' top fear was---economic meltdown, terrorism, natural disaster, etc. For the second year in a row, 60% said "Corruption in our government." As heinous as Trump appears, I think the reason for his support is simply because he is not a Clinton. The election of HRC means, to most people (including myself), "business as usual" in DC. I for one have been very disturbed by the way our civil servants have now become this country's "elites." Government employees in 2016 have better insurance, pensions, and access (every time I think of the piles of money being made on the side by members of Congress, I want to scream) than any other segment of our society except for the 1%. The Clintons seem to have played a pretty large role in that, not to mention all of the people they employ who appear to have had second and third jobs as consultants outside the government which were, in effect, dependent on their government access (while at the same time being paid by the government!). This sort of thing did not happen 30 years ago. There used to be a much clearer line between public and private, and the blurring of it has not been to the advantage of most Americans.
Suffice to say, I think for a lot of people the fact that Trump is a Washington outsider is what makes him attractive. If nothing else, he would not walk in there and just accept "business as usual." As opposed to the Clintons, who have taken full advantage, in and out of government, of the status quo.
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Seriously?? I think you're mixing up elected officials with government employees. As for the country not trusting the government didn't trust go out the window in the 60s? And Trump not being one of the elite Washington insiders is only made worse by the fact that he's an elite USA insider. A man who has spent his life spitting on everyone else while calling them losers and worse and getting rich doing it. At least HRC has helped people.
The worst thing I can think that Hilary has done is having been friends with Trump. That is inexcusable. An end to cronyism would be fantastic but so long as money, ego and fear (of different lobbyist groups ala the NRA, coal, Big Tobacco) controls a large part of the federal government it will never happen.
Yet another depressingly early exit by one of the best regular season teams in baseball. Sigh. But hot damn bringing Kershaw in to pitch in the 9th was great baseball theatre. Hats off to the Dodger's manager. And to Clayton. At least there's nothing to keep me from root root rooting for the Cubs now.
Yeah, I've always like Bob Dillion. Glad he won the noble price.
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I think Dillion should command a noble price for a noble guy.
What price would Boosh go for?
I am sure this is part of the new image she and TLC are crafting
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I have my doubts that TLC is trying to rebrand or even rejuvenate Kate, simply because she will have been off of their schedule (new shows) for almost a year? Or the better part of a year, at least.
That's a LONG time to be out of the public eye, not feeding the beast.
How long was it between TLC canceling K+8 (the RV episodes) and their first "special"?
This is a very, very long hiatus.
I wonder if TLC's strategy is to have viewers want to tune in after long absences, vs. continuing the over-saturation of Kate and the kids doing to same things over and over again.
As heinous as Trump appears, I think the reason for his support is simply because he is not a Clinton.
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I think that's what won Trump the Republican nomination, but that message has been obfuscated now for a long time with all the salacious scandals.
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In happier news, is anyone else enjoying baseball's post season?
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Post season? That ended for me when the METS lost to the Giants. There's always next year.
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I'm out now, too ;-(
See ya in around 6 months, my "boys of summer".
Hats off to the Dodger's manager.
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Hats not off to the Nat's third base coach ;-(
what the what?
But, there's a big but, you can still defend heinous people without being nasty about it to the people they hurt.
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Like Casey Anthony's team who publicly gloated and flipped the bird?
That was awful.
Duh, that's why she said under oath that never happened, she was intimidated to do so.
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Things have changed for women in this century, and as this century progresses. Women are being believed more. Look at the Cosby case. These women held their secrets for decades.
I don't automatically discount a woman's story if she changes it. The psychological impact is very difficult to deal with, and you combine that with the position of women in society, historically, then you can begin to understand why women don't just come forward right away.
Especially when their abuser is in a position of power and the socioeconomic inequity is great.
But they don't go on so bloody long. We've been at this now for nearly two years, and it's enough already.
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True it's way too long of a process, I agree with that. There is nothing left to talk about so now it's a game of who has a more sordid past, an exercise I find tedious and ridiculous, given those two. That's why I say can't we just call a truce on both having nasty pasts when it comes to women and otherwise, and move on? It would be different if Trump really were up against someone who didn't have a long history of lies, ill treatment of women, cover-ups, and corruption, but that's not the case. So it becomes a kindergarten playground of he's nastier, no she's nastier! It's stupid.
But people keep saying oh what a nasty and embarrassing election and I keep making the point this really is nothing compared to many other countries. The problem is when is the last time our news reported on another country's election to even be aware of the rest of the political world? It's at best a footnote, so many Americans are completely unaware of how nasty it is abroad. Causing them to think, oh my goodness this is just awful! On the contrary, this is downright CIVILIZED compared to other elections.
When I go abroad, I was just in Europe last week, they report on all different countries' politics. The US, Africa, Asia. This week they were saying so many things about the goings-on in Africa I was like wha-whhat? Where is our news about this??
We are isolated politically, with most people only following our elections, and it causes a warped perspective. I also don't buy the "we're a laughing stock" abroad. No we're not, except among the rare places that are even more civilized than us, like Canada. Everyone knows we hold the cards, and even if they dare to snicker, they won't too loud. Plus with many other countries having very severe problems of their own, they idea that they would laugh at us is absurd. That won't be laughing when we sanction them or bomb them and they know it.
But politics aside, who else has been recorded or caught specifically bragging he could sexually assault a woman and get away with it? Who do you have in mind?
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Well, that's an unfair question, because very few other politicians have had microphones and cameras on them all the time as Trump has. IF Kennedy, Johnson, John Edwards, Bill Clinton, and a host of other perverts had microphones rolling on them all the time ten years before they became major political players, you can bet they would have nasty tapes too.
The fact that Trump happened to have some things recorded when others didn't, doesn't mean this behavior hasn't happened before and in fact according to multiple witnesses has indeed happened before with many, many other politicians.
Most only start getting recorded all the time when they get close to being president. By that time, the past is the past, unrecorded and forever gone, with only witnesses left to speak of what was said--and they have.
This is like the CSI generation. If it's not recorded, I don't believe it!! Whatever happened to WITNESS statements??? Why are they not to be believed?? I watched someone completely discount Broaddrick's statements outright, and it's troubling. She is telling the truth, but since there is no tape of it, I guess it didn't happen? The same happens with shootings. If there's no video of it usually it doesn't get much traction, with rare exceptions. The second there's a video, people go nuts.
The Jon and Ken show went on and on about this point the other day. They were like oh my god, look at Bill Clinton. Of course there are no recordings of it, but god knows how many witnesses have come forward to speak of his sexual assaults. And yet the youtube generation can't seem to process these disgusting facts because there's no recordings of it. But god damn, the second it's recorded, bring out the fainting couches!
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I have no words-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3837514/Jon-Gosselin-posts-throwback-snap-daughters-Mady-Cara-16th-birthday.html
October 14, 2016 at 12:39 AM
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Could you find some? I'm not sure what you're alluding to. The DM article is just a re-post of Jon's IG birthday wish to his girls, and old sh*t cobbled together from the past.
This is like the CSI generation. If it's not recorded, I don't believe it!! Whatever happened to WITNESS statements??? Why are they not to be believed??
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The problem is, that's exactly what Trump said about one of these latest allegations from women. Exactly.
"Jessica Leeds
Who is she: Leeds, now 74, was a traveling businesswoman at a paper company when she was seated next to Donald Trump on an airplane, according to the New York Times.
Claims: She says more than 30 years ago, she sat next to Trump in first class on a flight to New York. After takeoff, he lifted the armrest and began touching her—she says he grabbed her breasts and tried to put a hand up her skirt. “He was like an octopus,” she said. “His hands were everywhere.” She called the incident “an assault.”
Evidence: The Times says Leeds told this story to at least four people “close to her,” and that those people also verified the story to the Times. It is not clear whether anybody on the plane has corroborated the story.
Trump response: Trump’s lawyers have demanded a retraction of the New York Times story about Leeds and Rachel Crooks, calling it libelous. Trump tweeted that the story was a “fabrication” and said in a speech Thursday that Leeds’ story was “another ridiculous tale, no witnesses, no nothing.”
http://time.com/4530242/donald-trump-sexual-allegations/
Just being a Devil's Advocate here.
I think most, like the VAST majority of people, who are going to vote, are decided. Unless their candidate has something apocalyptic revealed, this is all just poo slinging.
Again, the awful part of all of this is that the media is showing their bias(es) with all this pettifogging and "gotcha!"s and parading every single person who done been done wrong, that the real issues that we really, really need to be discussing, are buried in this pathetic morass of bullsh*t.
This is like the CSI generation. If it's not recorded, I don't believe it!! Whatever happened to WITNESS statements??? Why are they not to be believed??
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The problem is, that's exactly what Trump said about one of these latest allegations from women. Exactly.
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Well, I believe that woman, actually. I believe witness statements if they are credible. I also don't think it has anything to do with who is best to run this country, or somehow notches him below Hillary, who has been awful to women in her own right. For some, apparently it has everything to do with it, even though countless other storied politicians have done the same thing including the Clintons. Hard to figure out.
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You're right, I should have made it clear I was referring to elected officials and political appointees. I am talking about the premium health insurance for life (regardless of length of service) for Congress and its staff members and other perks of this nature which put these people far above those they in theory serve.
Here's the link to USA Today's synopsis of the poll I mentioned:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/10/12/survey-top-10-things-americans-fear-most/91934874/
BTW, I absolutely do put Trump in the "1%." But then, it's near impossible to become an elected official in the U.S. anymore unless you are at or near that level or have plenty of friends who are.
Hard to figure out.
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I have a feeling that many people contrast Trump with Obama, with regard to their treatment of and relationship to women.
Michelle, at least publicly, is respected and adored. She is supportive, yet strong and bold. Obama's girls seem to be the apple of his eye. Having 2 daughters that he has successfully protected for the vast majority of his presidency, Obama has earned the reputation of valuing and respecting women.
This is personal to the Obamas, and it shows.
Add to that, Michelle's heartfelt, emotional and raw barnburner speech yesterday, and the contrast deepens, as does the outrage.
Michelle is the emotional face that Hillary lacks, and she is Hillary's biggest campaign asset in the waning days of this election.
It's a coup.
I think folks on both sides are saying, "dayum", as they tear up a bit and notice more than a few goosebumps on their flesh.
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How long was it between TLC canceling K+8 (the RV episodes) and their first "special"?
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She was off the schedule for almost three years (8/11 - 6/14), they brought her back for the tups' 10th b'day (when she put on the clown outfit---I wonder if TLC insisted on that, lol). And when that got decent ratings, they sent her out on the Pilgrim's Progress tour.
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I believe there are a lot of vile, disgusting politicians out there. Past presidents included, I'm sure.
But my reply asking for an example was based on your saying "People were just looking for a reason to hate trump no matter how much other candidates have done the same..."
I didn't just say "recorded," I also said "or caught."
I'm not saying I don't believe people's accusations, but having someone claim something happened is not the same as having evidence.
You spoke of "witnesses who come forward." Were you referring to the accusers themselves or to witnesses on behalf of the accusers?
I know there aren't usually witnesses to sexual assault. But I think there's a difference between the accuser's testimony, and eye witness testimony.
My comment was referring to direct evidence of Trump's behavior. He's been caught bragging on recordings (interviews included) more than once.
BTW, I absolutely do put Trump in the "1%." But then, it's near impossible to become an elected official in the U.S. anymore unless you are at or near that level or have plenty of friends who are.
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Yes, everyone who has been elected in the past several decades has been filthy rich. This is not a sport you or I could get into. And that's another thing i scratch my head over. The hate on rich Trump. Do people not understand Hillary Clinton is richer than sin??? Obviously she's not making what Trump makes, but it's still more money than most of us will ever see in a dozen lifetimes, and much of it funneled through charities to be tax free too. People don't honestly think she's just a working class ground up public servant just because she claimed/lied to be broke when they left the White House? She is FILTHY rich. So if people are going to be mad at the 1% (which I've always considered misplaced and ridiculous, anyway) let's be mad at Hillary too.
CC, I spoke of witnesses meaning the victims themselves. They have come forward in droves about Clinton, yet it's ignored because I guess there's no tapes. In a court of law anyone who was either there for the incident or the victim of the incident is a "witness." I wasn't using it in the layman's term as in someone actually watching.
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CC, I spoke of witnesses meaning the victims themselves. They have come forward in droves about Clinton, yet it's ignored because I guess there's no tapes.
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Let's not forget, they actually had to test the dress in order to get Clinton to fess up. My assumption is that none of the other women who've come forward have this sort of objective proof.
That is a lie. The Clintons do not draw salaries from their charities, and if they were to do so it would not be tax-free.
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Have you read Clinton Cash? It goes through exactly how they funnel their money, in clear and easy to understand terms.
Yes, it's all "lies." Snark.
Point being, they're rich.
By the way I find your vulgar "p---y" name quite ironic given your moral outrage. So, it's okay when women talk vulgar and be crude (as I've heard WAY more then men), but not okay when Trump does it. Got it.
No, I avoid reading trash. The author admitted he has no evidence to back up his assertions, but believe whatever you want.
Claiming that income eared via a foundation is tax-free, as you asserted, is a lie. Of course they are rich. No need to lie to make that point.
No, I avoid reading trash. The author admitted he has no evidence to back up his assertions, but believe whatever you want.
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No, there wouldn't be hard evidence of corruption now would there be when one is HIDING it. You don't lay it all out there like chess pieces. But it sure does quack like a duck. Keep ignoring the duck.
If Trump were running against Michelle, the moral outrage would actually make sense. She is a good woman and mother. She has class. She reminds me of Rice in her reserved demeanor and reasonableness. People like them NEVER run.
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By the way I find your vulgar "p---y" name quite ironic given your moral outrage. So, it's okay when women talk vulgar and be crude (as I've heard WAY more then men), but not okay when Trump does it. Got it.
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I didn't see what you're replying to but I have to ask...
You don't think there's a difference between someone using the crude and offensive term "p***y," and someone claiming they can grab someone's p***y and get away with it?
And I'm asking specifically about the context in which Trump said it. He just boasted about kissing women without their consent.
And this isn't just about Trump. This applies to anyone that said such a thing. Anyone in his position of power and influence. This wasn't just some schmuck on the street talking crap to his friends while they all know it's not actually true.
I don't think the outrage is over his using the word p***y. He could have said crotch. Or vagina. Or hoohoo. It's not about the language. It's about what he was actually saying, not how he said it.
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No, I avoid reading trash. The author admitted he has no evidence to back up his assertions, but believe whatever you want.
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No, there wouldn't be hard evidence of corruption now would there be when one is HIDING it. You don't lay it all out there like chess pieces. But it sure does quack like a duck. Keep ignoring the duck.
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That's about the stupidest thing I've ever read, which is saying a lot. Nope, never in history has there been any evidence of corruption. Corruption is always so well hidden that not a shred of actual evidence emerges to support it.
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