You don't think there's a difference between someone using the crude and offensive term "p***y," and someone claiming they can grab someone's p***y and get away with it?
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Of course there's a difference, though who knows if he actually did what he said he did and wasn't just bragging about sexcapades like many men do when they really haven't done half or any of it.
But, both are vulgar. We can rank the vulgarity all day long just like Trump ranks women, but don't be vulgar on a 5 out of 10 and then get all out of shape when someone else is vulgar on a 6 out of 10. You look ridiculous doing so.
Sorry, but saying you WANT to grab a woman's p***y, is vulgar. Maybe a 10 out of 10.
But saying you CAN do it and get away with it is talking about sexually assaulting someone without consequences. That's beyond just being vulgar.
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It's very vulgar and the word itself is very demeaning to women.
My point is don't regularly use that word yourself, as our drive by here is doing, then get mad at other people being vulgar. It's hypocritical at best, regardless of who is more or less vulgar. Splitting hairs.
Many people think the accusers of both Trump and Clinton are lying because they didn't come forward sooner. Or it's political strategy on the opponent's part.
I think it's all about timing. You come out accusing Trump or Clinton at any other time and it won't get the press it deserves. You also won't get the public backing it deserves.
Most likely it will be handled privately if you can even get that far, and you're up against powerful people with a lot of money and influence. You're not going to get the publicity you need to speak out against such powerful people.
You also see them go on tv bragging or lying or acting like the hope for the future of America, and probably think Ok enough is enough. I can't let this happen.
Donald Trump said it himself. He can get away with it because he's a celebrity. I can't imagine trying to go after Trump or the Clintons at any other time than an election year.
The whole world, or at least the US, is paying attention now. It's the perfect time to speak up. You may get a lot of haters, but you'll also get a lot of support.
No way that Billy Bush/Trump tape would have come out just because someone accused Trump of sexual misconduct or assault.
Yeah I doubt anyone else has physical evidence or we would have seen it by now.
However, Monica had consensual sex. She wasn't sexually assaulted, by her own admission.
I'm not defending any of it. Clinton took advantage of a 22-year-old. My opinion is 22-year-olds are "young" and don't make the best decisions. That's in general of course. I'm sure a lot do, but we all know the decision-making part of the brain isn't fully developed until 26 years of age.
But she was an "adult," and of legal age, she consented.
To all of the shoebox packers of Operation Christmas Child.
West Point Pepperell is going out of business. Here is a list of stores and I saw one located in Lancaster. I believe a couple of posters live near here.
I know someone who bought beautiful colorful bed skirts for 25 cents each. These would make beautiful dresses for the girls for the boxes.
Collection week is in a month. Would be a great project to do. Maybe several people could have a sewing party and make some.
I would do anything to help give these precious kids a gift, and hope that someone out there loves them and truly cares.
Khate must be torn on the twins driving. One the one hand, she'd have two new slaves to shuttle her and the six around, fill up the tank, etc, while she does whatever the hell she does all day. She would also have another thing to take away from M and C, which she's said she likes.
At the same time she would have to give up control, to her children no less. Yes, it must be confusing times in Khate's brain.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 199 If Trump were running against Michelle, the moral outrage would actually make sense. She is a good woman and mother. She has class. She reminds me of Rice in her reserved demeanor and reasonableness. People like them NEVER run. _______________
Speaking of Condoleezza Rice, I see she's asking Trump to withdraw from the race per her Facebook entry:
“Enough! Donald Trump should not be President. He should withdraw. As a Republican, I hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth.”
It sounds to me like the drive-by troll/sheeple or whatever is having too much fun here and is posting just for amusement and being argumentative and baiting. It gets really old after a while.
Tucker's Mom said... 181 Hats off to the Dodger's manager. **** Hats not off to the Nat's third base coach ;-( what the what? ---- I'm just going to imagine that the Nat's had Strasburg, Ramos and a fully healthy Bryce. Yes... mmmmm, that's a nice place to be right now. World Champs the Washington Nationals...
Though doesn't it seem a bit ridiculous that the MLB, NFL and NBA call their champions "World"?
The extreme imbalance of power between an intern and the president of the United States makes any "consent" completely irrelevant. Speaking of consent. Interestingly enough, no where in trumps recorded conversation does he mention he grabbed people without consent. In fact just the opposite, he specifically stated the women agreed to it. For some reason people have assumed there was no consent. Why is that? Sometimes people agree to sexual activity, if not most of the time lol. Not every sexual encounter is a rape.
With no NY Yankees or NY Mets in the series, I've gotta turn to the Cubs to get it done. I think I read they last won the series in 1908? It's way past time!
Like others I read here for respite and because I have an interest in the Gosselin situation. I hope we can quiet the political discourse.
Tamara (#9), good points about TFW's possible ambivalence about the twins becoming drivers. I think another issue might be, how can she continue convincing herself she's a hot, young, date-able chick if she has kids who are old enough to drive?
Tucker's Mom said... 186 westcoastie said... 174 I have no words-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3837514/Jon-Gosselin-posts-throwback-snap-daughters-Mady-Cara-16th-birthday.html October 14, 2016 at 12:39 AM ****** Could you find some? I'm not sure what you're alluding to. The DM article is just a re-post of Jon's IG birthday wish to his girls, and old sh*t cobbled together from the past.
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Finding my words! His daughters have no relationship with him at the moment. They want no relationship at the moment. Basically they don't want their names in his mouth. So, what does he do? He posts an old photo of them to social media. Relationshipships with children after an acrimonious divorce can heal over time. But generally not if you keep doing the same kind of things said children asked you not to do. (And yes, I undestand that their mother does it ad nauseam and for now they seem accepting of this) The family all just need to crawl back under a rock.
Relationshipships with children after an acrimonious divorce can heal over time. But generally not if you keep doing the same kind of things said children asked you not to do.
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Where did the twins ask him not to wish them a happy birthday? I missed that.
Not sure how much clearer he could be. They agreed. That's not assault. His words, they let him do it. Not, they resisted. Not, they were reluctant. Not, they said no. They AGREED.
I have no problem with a discussion about vulgar words and rich people getting sex with beautiful women, but when people twist things around to suit their anti Trump agenda by labeling consensual contact rape or assault, they just lose credibility.
We can certainly have a dicsusion all we want about someone using their power and influence to put women in positions of imblanace. But let's not say he assaulted them when he never said he did anything without their agreement.
People really are just reading the media headlines, and not the actual transcript. It's really disappointing. Trump tried to explain he certainly did NOT assault those women when Anderson tried to tell him it was sexual assault, but my boyfriend wouldn't listen. Appalling. I've NEVER seen moderators debate the candidate like that. That was flat out wrong.
Sorry but I just watched the Trump Billy Bush video and nothing there seemed like his comments involved consent. From the married woman he made the move on and couldn't "get in there," to how he just starts kissing women. And then how he eats a tic tac in case he just starts kissing her.
Maybe he's flat out lying. Or embellishing, but no where did he say the women consent. Just that he can do anything because he's a celebrity.
Actually nowhere did Trump say he did grab them. He just said he CAN. I'm not accusing him of grabbing anyone's P. But if he did it in the manner he said in the video when he didn't realize he was recorded, or maybe knew, but didn't think it would be viewed by the public he never said anything about consent.
Maybe he said it in his defense after the fact. But he never said in the first video that he did do that. Just that he could. That could imply he has done it, but it doesn't actually mean he has.
Whether or not he has done that for real is for his victims to claim. And it would be their word against his.
You're taking Donald Trump's word for it. Which is fine, if you believe him.
But Bill Clinton went on national TV and swore he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I'm sure plenty of people believed him too.
I don't have a strong opinion as to whether or not Trump actually did sexually assault women, but I do have a strong opinion hearing his attitude about it in his own words.
Didn't he also say he didn't go in pageant dressing rooms where women were undressed. There's a video of him saying he DID indeed do that. He told Howard Stern.
Maybe he's flat out lying. Or embellishing, but no where did he say the women consent.
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Are we reading the same thing? He said they let him. I let OH kiss me this morning. That is consent. No one stands around and said yes man you may kiss me on the lips then the cheek then grope me. You ether say no, or you let them. It's not 1870.
I stopped commenting a long time ago but have continued to read and lurk. And while it is certainly your right on your blog to support whoever you like, the political undertones here make me realize it is time to depart. Donald Trump is a sexual predator of decades standing. There is no other way to spin it. And I am tired of trying to get into the minds of women, young or old, whose dislike of Hillary Clinton obfuscates their understanding of this. Support him, vote for him, but he is an immature, narcissistic sexual predator. We have to elect a grownup next month; there is only one candidate who fits that description.
And apparently I have outgrown my interest in Kate Gosselin too. It's been a good run; the folks here have entertained me a lot, but there is not enough rumspringa under the porch for me these days.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 28 Maybe he's flat out lying. Or embellishing, but no where did he say the women consent.
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Are we reading the same thing? He said they let him. I let OH kiss me this morning. That is consent. No one stands around and said yes man you may kiss me on the lips then the cheek then grope me. You ether say no, or you let them. It's not 1870. ************* I would assume that you are in a relationship with OH. If the dude you passed on the corner walking into work grabbed you and kissed you, that would be okay? Hell, you didn't say no before it happened, so by default you agreed, right?
So you're saying you either give consent or say no? What about the man who swoops in and starts kissing you before you have a chance to say no? Or grabs your P before you can stop him?
Trump himself said just starts kissing them. Doesn't even wait. Wait for what? Consent? Or a third date?
Trump put that tic tac in case he starts kissing her. His words. Probably an embellishment but sure doesn't imply consent.
Not sure how much clearer he could be. They agreed. That's not assault. His words, they let him do it. Not, they resisted. Not, they were reluctant. Not, they said no. They AGREED. =============== Trump said "“And when you’re a star, they let you do it,” “You can do anything.”
He implied he could get away with it because he's a "star".
IMO, saying "they let you do it" to imply consent is the same as using the "she asked for it" defense.
The extreme imbalance of power between an intern and the president of the United States makes any "consent" completely irrelevant.
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Fair enough. But how "extreme" must the imbalance of power be?
Trump is a very powerful man. He's mega-rich with all kinds of powerful connections.
Beauty pageant contestant vs Beauty pageant owner? Imbalance?
I think if anyone is going to argue imbalance of power vs consent, the same argument should apply to Trump and his version of "consent."
Trump, Clintons, all powerful slime. They all have "power" over most people they try to take advantage of. The same argument/defense should apply to all of them.
She was off the schedule for almost three years (8/11 - 6/14), they brought her back for the tups' 10th b'day (when she put on the clown outfit---I wonder if TLC insisted on that, lol). And when that got decent ratings, they sent her out on the Pilgrim's Progress tour. October 14, 2016 at 6:41 AM ****** sbt- thank you! Wow! I forgot is was that long before TLC picked her show up again. Kate really got a Mulligan there. I'm betting Kate was knocking down TLC's door the whole time, too.
I think if anyone is going to argue imbalance of power vs consent, the same argument should apply to Trump and his version of "consent."
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But that's exactly my point. The Anti trump crowd wants to jump to all kinds of conclusions about what kind of consent was or was not given when the fact is we have no information about the encounters he spoke about other than his words were state in fact there was no objection. So people make this leap anyway there was some kind of assault going on. Yet the same people turn around and say a basically almost child intern could consent to the most powerful man in the world sexually exploiting her. You can't have it both ways. I've never seen such leaps. Trump may very well be a predator (as was Clinton) but people are filling in an awful lot of blank spaces with wild imaginations in order to get there. Because they want to get there, pure and simple.
Like others I read here for respite and because I have an interest in the Gosselin situation. I hope we can quiet the political discourse. ************************ Me too.
She reminds me of Rice in her reserved demeanor and reasonableness. People like them NEVER run. ******* I know! I really, really liked Condy. Margaret Albright is also someone I admire greatly. Both strong, capable, measured and wouldn't touch a run for the Presidency with a 10-foot pole.
My point is don't regularly use that word yourself, as our drive by here is doing, then get mad at other people being vulgar. It's hypocritical at best, regardless of who is more or less vulgar. Splitting hairs. ****** Just...did you...no, I can't go there. Too easy ;-)
I have no personal agenda towards Trump. I'm not bashing him in defense of Clintons. This isn't about "politics." Yes it involves politicians and it came up because of the debate etc but at this point I don't feel strongly toward either side, politically, morally or otherwise.
My issue wasn't Trump claiming he got consent. I don't even know what video you're talking about. Because I don't care what his excuses or defenses are.
I HEARD him say that he can grab a woman by her P if he wants because he's a celebrity. He can do "anything" he wants to women. ANYTHING. That doesn't imply consent.
I agree that Bill took advantage of Monica. But the "consent" argument was yours, not mine. I said she gave consent and you said she can't. Fine. I'll give you that. But then you argue that Trump's defense is his "victims" gave consent.
But apparently Trump himself claims in the Billy Bush video that he doesn't give the women time to even consent. He just goes for it. So this isn't even about consent.
Trumps comments in the video are not about two people willingly partaking in sexual acts, even though they legally or morally couldn't give consent.
CC said... 6 ***** Agree with everything. Monica has kept herself out of the fray, and I give her great credit for that. I'm SURE she has been courted heavily by the opposition. Smart lady to not entertain the offers. If Kate thinks she was hounded by the paps, ha! She should have been in D.C. when this scandal blew up and Monica was holed up in the Mayflower hotel. I can't imagine what that 22-year old young woman felt. She is a survivor.
I bet there are thousands of rape victims out there who don't fight back or utter the word "no" out of fear for their lives. I guess that's consensual sex 2016 style in the Administrator's book.
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Where in the world is your proof that trump raped any of those women he spoke about much less did anything they didn't want to??? You're really treading a line. It's like you want them to have been raped just to bring him down. That's what's sick. Who wants these encounters to be sinister?? Wow.
Millions of women engage in consensual sexual activity with men because the men are rich and powerful. That is their right to do so. How In the world do you know these women he spoke about didn't want this? At least one was happy to allow him to buy her a bunch of expensive furniture. Hardly feels like a rape victim. I will not live in a nanny state that starts telling rich and powerful people they're not allowed to have sexual encounters lest some snowflake liberal decides that's not "consensual" because they're rich. Rape is rape, but believe it or not the vast majority of people have sexual encounters wih others even rich people because they want to. Mom might thinks it's gross, BFF and sister might scoff, but it's none of their damn business. Nor ours to tell women not to do this.
At the same time she would have to give up control, to her children no less. Yes, it must be confusing times in Khate's brain. ****** I think Kate filming the twins learning to drive in no way means that they are on a hard and fast track to get their licenses-like gymnastics and ice skating etc. A driving episode could be just that-for filming only.
Though doesn't it seem a bit ridiculous that the MLB, NFL and NBA call their champions "World"? October 14, 2016 at 8:38 AM ****** American Imperialism!!!!
Finding my words! His daughters have no relationship with him at the moment. They want no relationship at the moment. Basically they don't want their names in his mouth. So, what does he do? He posts an old photo of them to social media. Relationshipships with children after an acrimonious divorce can heal over time. But generally not if you keep doing the same kind of things said children asked you not to do. ****** Thanks! That's what I thought you might be alluding to, but didn't want to assume. Sigh. I agree. Any way you slice it, I would capitulate. There's little to no upshot if Jon doesn't.
Millions of women engage in consensual sexual activity with men because the men are rich and powerful. That is their right to do so. How In the world do you know these women he spoke about didn't want this?
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Not sure how much clearer he could be. They agreed. That's not assault. His words, they let him do it. Not, they resisted. Not, they were reluctant. Not, they said no. They AGREED. ----------
I agree with you. I agree with everything you said.
But then that goes against your "consent" argument. You said you can't give consent if there's an extreme imbalance of power.
Then you agreed the "can't give consent" would apply to Trump, as well as to Bill Clinton.
So your above statements seem contradictory to me. Can you explain how it's not a contradiction?
How In the world do you know these women he spoke about didn't want this? At least one was happy to allow him to buy her a bunch of expensive furniture. Hardly feels like a rape victim. ==============
Now you're really reaching. Trump did not say he bought anyone expensive furniture.
These are quotes that he said about the woman(later identified as Nancy O'Dell)that he went furniture shopping with.
“I moved on her, and I failed. I’ll admit it”
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,”
“And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,”
So tell me where it states that he bought her "expensive furniture" and that she was happy about it?
Here he is bragging about trying to hit on a married woman, and you're okay with that?
"At least one was happy to allow him to buy her a bunch of expensive furniture." Did Nancy O'Dell actually say that Trump paid for the furniture he took her to see? I haven't heard her comment about that.
So tell me where it states that he bought her "expensive furniture" and that she was happy about it?
Here he is bragging about trying to hit on a married woman, and you're okay with that?
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He took her nice furniture shopping implies. When someone says I took her to dinner, I took her shopping, that means they bought them something. Generally.
In any case, it doesn't matter if I'm okay with it. It doesn't matter if you're okay with it. I don't impose my sexual morality on candidates. The respective parties are the ones who have to decide if they are okay with it, it's up to them and them alone. I don't vote based on who has hit on married people. If did, I'd never be able to vote for anyone. Plus, how do you know who has when so much of it is usually done quietly?
In fact, that's who Clinton got off. America decided you know what, it's none of our business.
Grabbing a woman's P without her being able to "do anything" about it is sexual assault.
THAT is my issue.
Not who had consensual sex. Not who flirted. Not who tried to hook up with a married woman. Not vulgar language.
My issue is Trump's attitude toward the sexual assault of women, whether or not he personally sexually assaulted someone or not. His comments encouraged grabbing a woman's P if you're in the power or position to do so.
If I offer to "take" someone to dinner, yes I would pay. If I offer to take someone to "see" furniture I would expect that person to pay for the furniture they choose to "buy".
If I speak about the times, while riding the NYC subway back in the 70s and 80s, that I was grabbed in the crotch or breasts, is there an assumption that I might have consented? Hell, no. It wasn't reportable and it wasn't unusual. My friends openly discussed these things, we all dealt with it. Should it happen now, I'd take a picture and report it as a sexual assault, which it was. Back then, no one would listen. Or how about the time an attorney in a law firm I was temping at grabbed me and kissed me. Who would have believed a young college student over a powerful attorney? And I would have been fired. I understand these women - why they didn't say anything years ago and why they feel empowered now. Politics aside, Trump is a sexual predator.
I am reminded of the time when, as an eleven or twelve year old child, I was sitting in an aisle seat of a very crowded bus. A man standing next to my seat kept pressing his crotch area against my shoulder. I was very uncomfortable about this but didn't even know why. I remember leaning the upper part of my body closer to the woman sitting next to me in order to distance myself from him. Many people were standing and it was a bumpy bus ride and I couldn't be sure if he was deliberately rubbing his crotch against my shoulder or if he was being jostled by the crowd around him. I will never forget how uncomfortable I felt and in retrospect I regret not mentioning it to the stranger woman seated beside me.
Trump and Bill Clinton are both men who degrade women. Why Trump thinks he can smear Hillary as an enabler is beyond me. I guess that makes his ex-wives and Melania enablers too if you follow his reasoning. I'm with Michelle Obama and her outstanding speech yesterday. I was sexually harrassed as a young woman at work. I've also been leered at, had one guy exposed himself to me on a city street, had my behind grabbed on a subway, etc. You just accept the crap because what can you do? For me, I am sick and tired of men using their physical dominance to harass women. I watched the last debate and Trump was literally stalking Hillary, glaring like he would pounce on her. It made me sick.
Ingrid...38, Jane...14...Like others I read here for respite and because I have an interest in the Gosselin situation. I hope we can quiet the political discourse. ************************ Me too. ------------------------------------ Jane, Ingrid and everyone else who never wanted to have this discussion here, I apologize for my contribution to the political dialogue. I am truly sorry I ever joined in and will not be drawn in again. I hope you get your refuge back soon.
Like others I read here for respite and because I have an interest in the Gosselin situation. I hope we can quiet the political discourse. ************************ Me too.
Tucker's Mom (#46), your comment reminded me of the Sara Snow "go green" episode, where TFW, the queen of plastic bags, was forced to pretend to care about the environment. I wonder how quickly those recycling bins became extinct. Sara, bless her heart, was so into it, and so charmed by the kids. She seemed like a good egg.
Tucker's Mom said... 36 She was off the schedule for almost three years (8/11 - 6/14), they brought her back for the tups' 10th b'day (when she put on the clown outfit---I wonder if TLC insisted on that, lol). And when that got decent ratings, they sent her out on the Pilgrim's Progress tour. October 14, 2016 at 6:41 AM ****** sbt- thank you! Wow! I forgot is was that long before TLC picked her show up again. Kate really got a Mulligan there. I'm betting Kate was knocking down TLC's door the whole time, too.
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I know! I couldn't believe it was that long too! When they they finally showed the tups birthday party, the one where she wore the clown suit, I wonder if they said, hey, this will bring in the ratings, if you wear this.
And she was so desperate, she put it on.
Bet in the small office production meeting someone thought of it and they all had a belly laugh. I can see someone laughing so hard, tears shooting out of their eyes saying, Oh, my goodness, SHE'LL DO IT, SHE'LL DO IT!!!
Order the suit, Order the suit!!! Overnight it!!!
Bwahahaha
You know she was on them like crazy to get back on!
Anyone here watching The Great British Baking Show on PBS?
I mostly gave up on The Food Network because of all their competition shows, but this one is different. Here the contestants are helpful to each other. No yelling no belittling, just doing their best to win & if they don't, they seem happy for the one who does.
Anonymous said... 57 I am reminded of the time when, as an eleven or twelve year old child, I was sitting in an aisle seat of a very crowded bus. A man standing next to my seat kept pressing his crotch area against my shoulder. I was very uncomfortable about this but didn't even know why. I remember leaning the upper part of my body closer to the woman sitting next to me in order to distance myself from him. Many people were standing and it was a bumpy bus ride and I couldn't be sure if he was deliberately rubbing his crotch against my shoulder or if he was being jostled by the crowd around him. I will never forget how uncomfortable I felt and in retrospect I regret not mentioning it to the stranger woman seated beside me.
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Anon. bm, I am so sorry that happened to you. I am almost in tears. Reading your post, brought back memories of a incident with my former allergy dr.
I can't remember how old I was, I was either 17 or 18. I had on jeans and a paper gown on. I was sitting on the exam table. He came in and started to exam me.
He placed the stethoscope up under the paper gown to listen to my breathing. He then got his hand and placed it on my left breast and was basically cupping it, while moving his crotch into my knee.
It all happened so fast. I instantly realized what he was doing and that scared, rushing heat of embarrassment hit me like a ton of bricks. I was scared because there was no nurse with us. Huge red flag.
I stared at him HARD. He backed off. I felt embarrassed and ashamed. My word against a highly respected allergy specialist in the big city.
I checked and he is in his mid 80's now and living in FL.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 61 Tucker's Mom (#46), your comment reminded me of the Sara Snow "go green" episode, where TFW, the queen of plastic bags, was forced to pretend to care about the environment. I wonder how quickly those recycling bins became extinct. Sara, bless her heart, was so into it, and so charmed by the kids. She seemed like a good egg.
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Poor Sara. That good egg had to deal with a rotten egg.
It's not Trump's pussygrabbing comments or that he's being accused by multiple women of sexual assault, it's all of this on TOP of everything else he's said and done.
It is a crying shame almost every girl has some similar event like this. For a girl to grow up to 21 years old and NOT be touched, fondled, raped, molested, groped by someone would be miraculous.
I think it's time Donald Trump was asked: 'If you yourself didn't do the things you said a famous man can get away with, how do you know that you can get away with doing them?'
Another story: I was at a movie when I was was working as a new nurse and a respected doctor from the hospital was seated beside me. He was masturbating during the movie so hard my chair was vibrating.He gave me a leering grin, ugh. It was awful to be back at work the next day and act like nothing happened. I never mentioned it but now of course I certainly would.
I mostly gave up on The Food Network because of all their competition shows, but this one is different. Here the contestants are helpful to each other. No yelling no belittling, just doing their best to win & if they don't, they seem happy for the one who does.
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That was on all the time in Europe last week. It was a delight. I was addicted to that and the British version of Million Dollar Listing. Amazing.
Calling Joy! Is it chilly under the veranda? May I join those who have gone there to hibernate until the election and the media's field day with the candidates is over? ;)
But Bill Clinton went on national TV and swore he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I'm sure plenty of people believed him too.
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Oh, but that was Kate Speak. He worded it carefully. He really didn't "have sex," she serviced him with her mouth (got down on her "Presidential knee pads" -- isn't that how she put it?), so he really wasn't lying about it, according to his definition of sex.
And some Americans were gullible enough, and naive enough, to believe him. Apparently in his mind, oral sex really wasn't sex because the relationship wasn't consummated by both parties.
CC, interesting point. Slang is actually quite varied. Depending on where you grew up or various cultural things, you'll have different preferred slang for private parts. I don't care what name Trump used; my reaction is the same. But some might be having more of a reaction to the vulgar language. It would sound really strange to hear a guy boast about that using correct anatomical terms. (Don't start me on how we've started calling everything below the waist the vagina.)
I have very mixed feelings about the Gosselin twins learning to drive. Lots of concerns. They could learn to drive like Kate which sounds very scary - too fast and feeling invincible. I wonder if it will make them even more like parents. Driving is one of the few things Kate does sometimes. I guess if the twins drive Kate could let them all go off without her. I worry that paps or fans could find the girls when they have no adult with them.
On the other side, driving is part of growing up and they deserve some normal life. Driving could result in more normal social behavior, seeing their friends. They could get away from Kate when she's impossible. I wonder what Steve says about all this.
Anyone here watching The Great British Baking Show on PBS? ************************ I loved that show! I use past tense because BBC recently lost the bidding war and the show is moving to a commercial network. Mary Berry and the two ladies who share hosting duties have resigned out of loyalty to the BBC. Even if it doesn't morph into a US type cutthroat competition, it will be different.
LOL, this guy's been on K8's Twitter TL several times in the last couple of months. I wonder if TLC calls him before they call their "talent." I must say, this sounds like the perfect gig for sweet lil Katie Irene.
Phil Kaczmarek @SuperPhil2 3h3 hours ago @Kateplusmy8 Kate! I Have a $$$ "Big Money" $$$ "Endorsement Deal" for You! > Zero Work & No Investment!!! > Please Call: 702-461-0677
jolie Jacquelyn said... 63 Anyone here watching The Great British Baking Show on PBS?
I mostly gave up on The Food Network because of all their competition shows, but this one is different. Here the contestants are helpful to each other. No yelling no belittling, just doing their best to win & if they don't, they seem happy for the one who does.
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I watched the show a couple of times and it was so refreshing to see how a cooking show could be. Food Network has become the DDD channel.
I liked Beat Bobby Flay, at first. But, after awhile you can tell that he is not going to get beat but once in a blue moon. When Bobby goes over and rings the bell for the end of the first round, I think the winner, when they win, should be able to go over to the bell and say, I came here today and I beat Bobby Flay and then let him or her RING THE BELL!
Ever notice that the judges ALWAYS has a good thing and a bad thing to say about each dish. And sometimes Bobby gets a bad review, he still wins! He has to cook something that is not in his wheelhouse, he still wins!
About 12 years ago, I had the biggest crush on Tyler Florence on Food 911. Gosh, he was so young! He was an absolute doll and still is.
It is a crying shame almost every girl has some similar event like this. For a girl to grow up to 21 years old and NOT be touched, fondled, raped, molested, groped by someone would be miraculous.
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There's statistics on it. Lots of people have never been sexually assaulted in any manner, but they may be uncomfortable coming forward and saying so at the moment, for fearing of it somehow discounting or diminishing all the people this week who are been. Also for fear of being slammed by the left as lying. There is no doubt many women have nonetheless, and that's the part I don't understand. If you believe it is widespread, and the stats bear that out, and if this is a campaign issue for you, why on earth would anyone think that one candidate is preferable over the other on this issue? If Trump were running against Michelle Obama that might actually make sense, but Hillary is married to one of the biggest womanizers in politics, who not only has gone around the country harassing and having sex with handfuls of woman throughout his career, but raped a woman then had his wife threaten her not to tell. If this is a campaign issue for you, you're going to have to vote Johnson. It's downright hypocritical to say I'm with her, the biggest enabler of a womanizer in the history of politics. She's still married to him, that's all I need to know.
Only about 1 percent of women are raped per year. About 1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted in their lifetimes.
I would say probably bump those stats up a healthy bit for people who are uncomfortable admitting it, but even you double or triple them, that still leaves lots and lots of women who have fortunately not been through that. What does Hillary say about herself, has she ever been raped or assaulted or harassed?
GollyGee (#81), count me among those who thinks Tyler Florence is dreamy! I also have a bit of a thing for Jamie Oliver. I think his accent is adorable, even with his little speech impediment. He had an interesting reality show a few years ago: "Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution," which Ryan Seacrest produced.
Lots of woman stay married to men who cheat. Ivana, Marla and Melania are therefore enablers too. So was Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson. They knew but choose to stay. Hillary is not unique.
Anyone here watching The Great British Baking Show on PBS? ************************ I loved that show! I use past tense because BBC recently lost the bidding war and the show is moving to a commercial network. Mary Berry and the two ladies who share hosting duties have resigned out of loyalty to the BBC. Even if it doesn't morph into a US type cutthroat competition, it will be different.
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Yes, the show is moving after 7 years at the BBC. Only Paul Hollywood (its that his real name?) is going with it while the 3 ladies are remaining to star in a new BBC show. Too bad, they all worked so well together.
I also like Tyler Florence & Jamie Oliver. Bobby Flay is far too full of himself !
There was a very interesting Op-Ed by Robin Mather in the Oct. 14 Los Angeles Times entitled: "For survivors of sexual abuse, the presidential campaign is a giant trigger."
FlimsyFlamsy (61) Ah, yes, the Sara Snow episode. That was the one where Jon and Kate were discussing the comment SS made--that there was a lot of love in the G house. Jon said "That's true, there IS a lot of love in this house", and then Kate just reached over and slapped him. Unbelievable.
HCI must love the fact that Kate has done virtually nothing to promote her cookbook after her 2-week tour in fall 2013 was over. On Amazon she's sold fewer than 200 copies (both hard and Kindle) so far this year. If they really did print 50K copies, all I can say is, what a freakin waste.
Lots of woman stay married to men who cheat. Ivana, Marla and Melania are therefore enablers too. So was Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson. They knew but choose to stay. Hillary is not unique.
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Absolutely, I never said otherwise. The point being, if we're going to impose a strict no tolerance policy on Trump the same must be given for all, and that includes women who condone and permit such behavior by staying in the relationship (and in hillary's case, helping to silence the scandals).
Several other people have made the point that if you are one of the 80 million who bought 50 Shades of Grey, you really shouldn't talk.
I heard The Apprentice woman's story today and it was awfully interesting the way she kept calling and meeting up with Trump then later complains he hits on her. At some point there's some mixed messages being sent there. If you don't like the advances the first stop is to stop engaging with him.
TLC stinks said... 85 Lots of woman stay married to men who cheat. Ivana, Marla and Melania are therefore enablers too. So was Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson. They knew but choose to stay. Hillary is not unique.
I feel for all the students in Civic classes who are being exposed to and studying the details in this election campaign especially those who are experiencing their first election.
Anonymous said... 94 I feel for all the students in Civic classes who are being exposed to and studying the details in this election campaign especially those who are experiencing their first election.
_________________ Our civics class was "Problems of Democracy," which wasn't all that thrilling. I wish we had an election like this one. It would have been so interesting to study, watch, and examine all the goings-on in this campaign.
Lots of woman stay married to men who cheat. Ivana, Marla and Melania are therefore enablers too. So was Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson. They knew but choose to stay. Hillary is not unique.
_______________ As well as Florence Harding, Lucretia Garfield, Eleanor Roosevelt, Mamie Eisenhower, and the list goes on and on. They stood by their men, and heck, some of them even had affairs of their own with both men and women. Their President husbands looked the other way.
That said, though, Bill Clinton had Paula, Gennifer, and who knows how many others. While we don't know the reason Mrs. Clinton stuck by him, I would venture to say that she was grooming herself for the Presidency the whole time, and a divorce just wouldn't have looked good.
Going back to the veranda. It's a bit chilly there. I need a jacket as well as the keg. Going
Sad (90): "On Amazon she's sold fewer than 200 copies (both hard and Kindle) so far this year. If they really did print 50K copies, all I can say is, what a freakin waste."
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If you check Milo's garage, you may find a plethora of boxes from Amazon.
Also for fear of being slammed by the left as lying. +++++++++++ I was with you up until you made it political. Not being raped or assaulted has nothing to do with politics. It's human rights. Putting "the left" in there as if the biggest things women have to fear is those scary liberals only turns a smart discussion about a real problem into more faction fighting.
TLC stinks said... 85 Lots of woman stay married to men who cheat. Ivana, Marla and Melania are therefore enablers too. So was Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson. They knew but choose to stay. Hillary is not unique.
I was with you up until you made it political. Not being raped or assaulted has nothing to do with politics. It's human rights. Putting "the left" in there as if the biggest things women have to fear is those scary liberals only turns a smart discussion about a real problem into more faction fighting.
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Kind of like how Hillary called Trump supporters deplorable?
There's nothing wrong with identifying a group of people as the left or right. That's not a demeaning term, like deplorable. And I stand by my comment that if many women were to say I don't have issues with piggish men and don't have a horrifying story to share, they would be accused of lying or at least quietly not believed.
The hundreds of thousands of women out there who haven't had problems with assault and don't engage in returning the phone calls of creepy men then later complain they hit on them, have been extremely sensitive to all the women coming forward saying they have had issues with this and sharing their stories. It would be rude and insensitive when people are talking about things that can be very difficult to speak of. When someone says I was raped and here's what happened, you don't stand up and say oh that's interesting, incidentally, I've never been raped!
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We have that over here too!! I strongly recommend to whoever can do it, make a box! You won't believe the joy and satisfaction you get out of giving a bit of joy to a child on Christmas.
I don't know what the age target is(in our country it's 2-16 years) but please, I know it's cute to make boxes for the smaller kids, please make a box for an older kid too! They are often overlooked.
I am making three boxes this year because I slowly bought stuff starting in early January. Otherwise I couldn't afford to make 3 of them and the stuff wouldn't be so nice. I also recommend this strategy. I know people manage to make 6-7 boxes with this strategy.
I know nobody asked for my opinion, but I couldn't help it when I saw the word shoebox.
NO!! Thank YOU! Anytime is the right time to talk about the Operation Christmas Child shoeboxes!
You are so right about the older kids. I am making 3 boxes this time and they are going to be for the older kids.
I bought a very nice coloring book and I am going to run off copies of a couple of pages and staple them together to make a coloring book.
It is a shame that TFW wouldn't do something like this. But, that is how she rolls. Instead of the circus birthday party and dressing up like an clown, she could of had friends of the kids come and had a packing party.
Our church started Operation Shoebox this morning. They're shooting for 700 boxes this year at my church. They had a short video showing children receiving boxes in Namibia and an interview with a now grown man saying what it meant to him to receive a box as a child. Kate could afford to have each of her children pick out things and make a box. For an extra couple bucks you get a code to track where your box traveled. It's a good way to teach your children compassion for those born in less fortunate circumstances. It's sad that the G kids don't get any of the church experience that Kate said was so important.
(I know not everyone here is religious and not all agree with the church experience. Kate was the one who went from church to church saying how important God was to her.)
It is a shame that TFW wouldn't do something like this. But, that is how she rolls. ---------------------- There are 8 kids. If she had each kid make one shoebox and she made one, that would be 9 boxes in one go and she would be teaching her kids about sharing and how not everyone is priviledged. But you're right, it's not how she rolls. Unless TLC offers to pay her to be in an episode where they do that, it's never going to happen.
There's statistics on it. Lots of people have never been sexually assaulted in any manner, but they may be uncomfortable coming forward and saying so at the moment, for fearing of it somehow discounting or diminishing all the people this week who are been. Also for fear of being slammed by the left as lying. ---- That is a slur on the left. Stating that people, even though we are talking about women as male rape is a whole other ballgame, who haven't ever been sexually assaulted fear saying so because of the left. It's a huge generalization and reflects more your opinions than any actual fact or reality. What's next? These poor unraped people are being persecuted and will need their own safe places? Support groups? News network?
The potential she had to educate to her huge fan base in the early years about the OCC boxes was huge. Even when they were toddlers, they could of packed boxes. I mean, each child could just put a stuffed animal or toys in one.
The first year she could of done her first 8, because she loves that number so much.
The next year, she could of had a goal from the fans of 80.
The next year, from the fans a goal of 800. Instead of having that circus from hades, have a packing party. She could of had a line of cars dropping off donations of toys, school supplies, washcloths, bars of soap.
Then when the kids got older, they could of filmed at a packing center. The goal of her fans could of been 8,000.
Just think, she lost out on having 4 episodes and 4 paychecks. But what is even sadder, the big loss is the children. Children that have never, ever been given a gift.
The videos are tearjerkers and very moving. They motivate you to make you want to make more boxes because these children are so precious and the smiles of JOY on their faces says it all!
I would think that if advances are unwanted, the age of the man really doesn't matter. No means no, regardless of age.
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And what if the 20 or 30 something consents to the 60 year old? What if they like the advances? Is the 60 year old supposed to say, well they really don't mean it and so I'm harassing her and must stop?
The Monica Lewinsky thing was unique because she was his INTERN. Virtually any employee handbook out there prohibits such an relationship because of the obvious conflict of interest. But a young and/or beautiful woman and a rich but possibly older and/or gross man and there is no obvious imbalance otherwise, like she was his intern, or his current employee? It's up to her if she wants to return her phone calls, come over to his house, and respond to his flirting. It's a free country and she can walk away too and not return calls, too. The Apprentice contestant was not his intern and wasn't his employee anymore, and kept responding back when he reached out to her. Sigh.
I'm actually really glad I'm a woman these days. If I were a man I'd be having any woman I'm interested in sign a contract that they consent before I so much as reach for their hand.
Several other people have made the point that if you are one of the 80 million who bought 50 Shades of Grey, you really shouldn't talk. *********************************** That was a work of fiction. It's like saying you love Game of Thrones so I condone beheadings.
Several other people have made the point that if you are one of the 80 million who bought 50 Shades of Grey, you really shouldn't talk. *********************************** That was a work of fiction. It's like saying you love Game of Thrones so I condone beheadings.
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50 Shades of Grey depicted a very abusive relationship in a positive light, and millions of women for some damn reason enjoyed seeing that. I threw that book in the trash halfway through and almost threw up, and I NEVER stop reading books to completion. If you read 50 Shades of Grey and enjoyed it, then in many respects enjoyed the sexual vulgarity and abuse and suppression of women, which is almost 99% of the book. To then turn around and say other people shouldn't be vulgar, is hypocritical. Either you yourself refrain from participating in vulgarity including reading sex books, or you shush up about others who do. It was a great point.
That book was very, very different than the occasional sex scene or the occasional death (Game of Thrones), which are not central to the story, but pieces of a much bigger and appropriate story. In addition, abusive sex and death are portrayed in very NEGATIVE lights, for instance King Geoffrey being known as a very EVIL person in part because he was sexually abusive. Whereas, Christian was a hero in 50 Shades. Most people don't watch programs like Game because they are getting off on a sporadic death or a sex scene. They watch for the overall incredible story. Whereas with 50 Shades since that was the ONLY thing in the book with hardly any plot, it's hard to argue you were getting off on Anastasia's shopping trip, before she was raped by a tampon. No, you got off on the tampon.
I have no personal agenda towards Trump. I'm not bashing him in defense of Clintons. This isn't about "politics." Yes it involves politicians and it came up because of the debate etc but at this point I don't feel strongly toward either side, politically, morally or otherwise.
My issue wasn't Trump claiming he got consent. I don't even know what video you're talking about. Because I don't care what his excuses or defenses are.
I HEARD him say that he can grab a woman by her P if he wants because he's a celebrity. He can do "anything" he wants to women. ANYTHING. That doesn't imply consent.
I agree that Bill took advantage of Monica. But the "consent" argument was yours, not mine. I said she gave consent and you said she can't. Fine. I'll give you that. But then you argue that Trump's defense is his "victims" gave consent.
But apparently Trump himself claims in the Billy Bush video that he doesn't give the women time to even consent. He just goes for it. So this isn't even about consent.
Trumps comments in the video are not about two people willingly partaking in sexual acts, even though they legally or morally couldn't give consent. **************************** Well said. I cannot believe where this blog is going and has been going for some time. We've assumed all sorts of horrid things about tfw from just intuition, from what our guts have been telling us. We've decoded the katespeak for years here. We've all (or most of us)come to the conclusion that she is malignant narcissist, a sociopath. Trump is a TEXTBOOK NARCISSISTIC PREDATOR. If it walks like a duck...and THIS is who some are actually defending and giving the benefit of the doubt??? We've commented about tfw losing her children, facing charges, needing meds, psychiatric help but people are wanting this monster to become the next president??? I'm done here too
But then that goes against your "consent" argument. You said you can't give consent if there's an extreme imbalance of power.
Then you agreed the "can't give consent" would apply to Trump, as well as to Bill Clinton.
So your above statements seem contradictory to me. Can you explain how it's not a contradiction? ******************************* Agree
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I don't believe a 60 year and a 30 year old is an "extreme" imbalance of power. Nor is a rich guy and a woman "extreme." An INTERN and the president is extreme, no matter how much you slice it, and America said so.
It's perfectly reasonable to have an employee handbook that says no sex with the interns. But please show me an employee handbook that says no sex with 30 year olds, but only if you are 60 plus. Or no sex with anyone if you make three times their income. Please, this is a free country. If you like old rich dudes, go for it. If they like young beautiful women, go for it. Do you really want to live in a nanny state that starts dictating what income and adult ages you can have sex??? Do you understand the difference? There is no "conflict of interest" there. There is a SERIOUS conflict of interest when you proposition your INTERN. SERIOUS.
Vanessa, some people think Hillary is a *monster* for very, very similar reasons, and are very, very scared about her being elected. What's odd is when people can't accept that both sides have their fears, both are real fears, with strong evidence behind both arguments. In other words, both candidates are scary to millions of people. No reason for hurt feelings over it. Your fears are your fears and it seems to depend on who scares you more. I'm much more scared by someone who has actually been in charge of important aspects of our government and had an opportunity to make some horrific mistakes. Other people are more scared ofr the country because someone groped someone else. To each his own, no cause for splitting. I have friends on both sides.
Somebody's working overtime on image enhancement. And who'd a thunk it would be a furry friend that would bring out her "softer side." As if. On IG
kateplusmy8 Somebody has 'graduated' from her dog bed of the same color to my chaise lounge at the bottom of my bed. I've stopped fighting her on it. To my own surprise, I've given in. This round of 'kids' has revealed my softer than ever side! ❤️❤️ #Nanuq #Mak . . . miloandjack2016 When you get to love your dogs as much as you & I do...it sort if becomes #What IsMineIsTheirs. LOL. Always knew you were a #Softie. ❤ @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 Your next thing to consider...a weekend trip to a cabin or resort that ALLOWS PETS! Our dogs go w/us and vacays are so much more fun w/them! What do you think? @kateplusmy8 Could you envision that?
"Fighting her on it"? Weren't you claiming a few short weeks ago that you welcomed her into your bed and were sad when she shunned it? But you were "fighting" her about sleeping on your chaise (of the same color as her dog bed, lol)? Something doesn't add up here. As usual. And it's a chaise longue, you pseudo-sophisticate, not lounge.
And oh yes Milo! I'm sure Kate is just dying to take all 3 of her #FurryKids on her next bikini vacay, that sounds like so much fun. #WhatADolt.
miloandjack2016 Your next thing to consider...a weekend trip to a cabin or resort that ALLOWS PETS! Our dogs go w/us and vacays are so much more fun w/them! What do you think? @kateplusmy8 Could you envision that?
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Why do I feel like Milo is hinting at a group vacation with her family and the Gosselins? Of course she would never go, but I think she just wants to hear that Kate would like that.
Tucker's Mom said... 121 I hope the kids get turns having the puppies sleep in their rooms and beds. _____
I'm sure #Mak is up for grabs. But #NookiePookie? Oh no, she's strictly Mommy's. Look, they have the same coloring and everything. The dog looks more like Kate's current incarnation than any of her kids do---hence, the #perfectaccessory.
Vanessa, some people think Hillary is a *monster* for very, very similar reasons, and are very, very scared about her being elected. What's odd is when people can't accept that both sides have their fears, both are real fears, with strong evidence behind both arguments. In other words, both candidates are scary to millions of people. No reason for hurt feelings over it. ****** Really? You're being serious? Both are monsters for similar reasons? And no "hurt" feelings, I'm a big girl just kind of smh
I'm sure #Mak is up for grabs. But #NookiePookie? Oh no, she's strictly Mommy's. Look, they have the same coloring and everything. The dog looks more like Kate's current incarnation than any of her kids do---hence, the #perfectaccessory.
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Don't forget...Mak is a boy. Kate has a dislike for males.
Really? You're being serious? Both are monsters for similar reasons?
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She threatened Broaddrick, a rape victim at her own husband at that, to not tell. Yes I consider that in the same league, and am astonished it's being poo pooed. People want to have it both ways. It doesn't work that way.
Look who's all chatty at 10:30 on a Sunday night. What about that 5:30 wake-up call? Nanny driving instead?
dagamg0107 Imagine what a softy you'll be when you have grandkids. 😃
barbgilmer1 You've always been a softy IMO @kateplusmy8 it was a brick wall that had to be chipped at slowly that's all! #parentsurvivalmode
nick_moy I think you choose to show your softer side because the kids are growing up and they can do more for themselves and occasionally help you out.. The stress must have become a little lighter. You deserve some relaxation and do what ever you feel like doing. You are doing a great job...
nick_moy Is it not a wonderful life just to lay down anywhere and anytime you want and take a little snooze.. 😎😎😴😴
miloandjack2016 When you get to love your dogs as much as you & I do...it sort if becomes #What IsMineIsTheirs. LOL. Always knew you were a #Softie. ❤ @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 Your next thing to consider...a weekend trip to a cabin or resort that ALLOWS PETS! Our dogs go w/us and vacays are so much more fun w/them! What do you think? @kateplusmy8 Could you envision that? . . .
kateplusmy8 Been there, done that.. Just watch and see :) #KatePlus8 coming soon😉 @miloandjack2016 [she must be talking about taking the dogs on vacation]
kateplusmy8 Yes! I always say to my kids 'don't dogs have the good life?' No homework no chores no stress. Just constant pampering... Ahhh! @nick_moy
kateplusmy8 Hmm very accurate assessment! I agree! @barbgilmer1
kateplusmy8 It's really going to be FUN! Anything will go and it'll ALL BE ALLOWED! Lol! @dagamg0107
Sounds like she's really planning to let loose next season. Too bad Collin won't benefit from her "new" attitude.
50 Shades is a bad, bad book from women's progress, yet 80 million bought it and it seems most are not seeing the irony:
"50 Shades of Grey not only fails to remotely subvert these typical standards, it presents them in the most excessive way possible by making the man so overtly obsessed with avoiding love and demanding sexual and emotional domination of the woman, and making her fall in love with him regardless of how emotionally distant and abusive he becomes. This is a classic, by-the-book description of a codependent relationship with an abusive partner. Except it’s portrayed as titillating, as a romance story, and Christian is portrayed as a brooding damaged abuser whose heart is warming and he just needs another chance and for Anastasia to try harder to understand him."
Do you really want to live in a nanny state that starts dictating what income and adult ages you can have sex??? Do you understand the difference? There is no "conflict of interest" there. There is a SERIOUS conflict of interest when you proposition your INTERN. SERIOUS.
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I think that Monica was just a young gal who was flattered that the most powerful person in the Free World took an interest in her when he could have had anyone, and he chose her. She was infatuated. What a feeling of importance that must have been for her to know that she was his chosen. He was not an unattractive man. The ego of many a young gal would have been inflated if the POTUS had taken an interest in them.
It's not that much different than a high school kid having a crush on a much-loved and attractive teacher, and that teacher reciprocated with flirting with the student. I wondered at the time what would have happened if Clinton would have been a homely, aging, bald President in his 70s. Would she have just laughed and walked away in disgust?
TLC Entertainment @TLC_Africa Ooh la la 😍 @Kateplusmy8's going on a blind date in the Big 🍎 with a helicopter ride (OMG)! #KatePlus8 tonight at 8pm. Retweeted by Kate Gosselin 11:00 AM - 14 Sep 2016
So funny that they show her in foreign tv markets but hasn't been on in the states in a year now? The reason why is that they want to make some kind of money.
Is she in some kind of denial? Why hasn't TLC said anything about when the show will be aired?
Looks like her sugar daddy has cut her off, here at least.
Bullshit. Broaddrick's description of the so-called threat is totally her interpretation of innocuous words.
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Innocuous my ass. Did you even read what she said to her? Why even talk to her at all??? The double standards in that statement are astounding. All sexual assaults are how you perceive it, otherwise, it's consensual sex! Broaddrick perceived quite clearly she was being threatened. Who are you to second guess her? (Stolen from the words of those who hate Trumps and refuse to second guess his victims no matter how outrageous their stories) We can only read WHAT Hilary said, we were not there as Broaddrick was to observe tone, demeanor, and other indications. But, you want to second guess her first hand perceptions of a threat, yet DON'T want anyone to second guess the intentions of Trump's women, many of whom gave him very mixed messages they were consenting to him. Damn it, I believe her. She was threatened to shut up. But whenever Hillary does it, the women are not to be believed as it was really not how they clearly perceived it to be. Right. Do you hear yourself? Can we all just agree they have BOTH been horrible to women? It's astounding to me we can't agree that to be the case. Rose colored glasses at their finest. (This is not directed to those who accept the truth about that woman and her role in all those assaults, but still like her otherwise)
As for an intern, what if it was an intern at one of Trump's companies and Trump made a move on her? Or went in for that kiss that he himself claims he doesn't "even wait"? Or "grabbed her P"?
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Well, then that would be unacceptable and an HR violation. But there is no evidence he ever did that to an intern or even a current employee, so what is the point of such a what if?
This goes back to very basic HR. Because someone is in direct control of your job, which has a very high value, you are not allowed to have sex with them, because the potential for them to hold your job against you, or for you to FEEL like you have to do this for your job, is just far too high.
To extend that to all other forms of potential "imbalance" in relationships would be absurd and goes down a very speculative road, which is almost always a bad thing. All relationships are imbalanced in some form. My other half and I are 12 years apart. One of us has a lot more life and career experience than the other, and sometimes in that respect it does feel a bit unbalanced, with both parties sometimes not feeling equal because they are so much younger or older. But it doesn't mean it automatically creates a dysfunctional relationship, or that other aspects of us don't balance out the imbalance. Relationships can be imbalanced financially, age wise, career wise, even culturally. To start saying that such imbalances in a relationship is so inappropriate that Trump never should have taken up with them, I simply cannot buy into. I draw the line at people like a supervisor or boss taking up with an employee or intern, current. Because in that case, I don't think it's speculative, I think it's an almost certainty there is a huge potential for feeling obligated to the relationship in a way that removes free thinking consent. THAT is where the line must be drawn.
But, in most other contexts, if we are truly for women's lib, we have to trust women to make the right choices in their sex lives, even if an imbalance sometimes occurs. If the woman is comfortable with it, and the only reason you're against it is because you are simply speculating about a bunch of what ifs she might feel, then I think she should be let alone.
Even the Washington Post (or at least a guest columnist they were happy to publish) admits that Trump and Clinton's accusers should be treated one in the same, and that if Bill Clintons scandals had come out today in 2016, he wouldn't be electable. Finally some media with some sense.
Even the Washington Post (or at least a guest columnist they were happy to publish) admits that Trump and Clinton's accusers should be treated one in the same, and that if Bill Clintons scandals had come out today in 2016, he wouldn't be electable. Finally some media with some sense.
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I agree with that. Bill would not be electable.
So Trump shouldn't be electable now either.
Neither should Hillary.
We have about 3 weeks. I think we should start over.
I'm the one who said it was gross that Trump was hitting on these women. Why? Because he is a lecherous old man, who was married to his 3rd wife for only a few months when this was taped. It goes to character, and people reveal who they are when they are in a relaxed situation.
Vanessa - I agree with you 100%. We have discussed Kate here for years, and have said where there is smoke there is fire. I don't want to get into semantics about consent, emails, bankruptcies,etc, etc, etc.
I just can't believe that people would support someone that has said so many hateful and racist things about many people. I can't believe that this is who people want to make the face of your country.
I don't know - maybe I'm too naive in my northern cocoon. I don't think this is who Americans are.
The potential she had to educate to her huge fan base in the early years about the OCC boxes was huge. Even when they were toddlers, they could of packed boxes. I mean, each child could just put a stuffed animal or toys in one. ---------
I really have to say this: in my country, Shoebox started with a TWO YEAR OLD KID(well probably almost 3). His parents were sick of all his: "Want, want want" around Christmas time and they said: "Hey, you know what? How about some give, give, give? Why don't we pick some of your toys, since you're drawning in so many and give to a kid, who unlike you, has never seen so much as a gift". Next year a couple of family friends did it and now, many years later, it's a nation wide thing.
So there goes Kate's myth that when they are so young, kids have no clue anyways. I mean, she tried to convince us her 4 year olds wouldn't remember a cupcake the next day, you better believe she never thought her 2yo were capable of understanding much.
50 Shades of Grey depicted a very abusive relationship in a positive light, and millions of women for some damn reason enjoyed seeing that. ------------------ For years before 50 shades of stupid came oiut, I said the exact same thing about the Twilight Saga. Teaching an entire generation of teenage girls that stocking and co*dependency and control are romantic and signs of a good relationship. I was met with "Oh you're being dramatic, it's up to the parents to educate the kids" for the most part. At 16 a kid will think anyone's advice is better than their parents' and when you go and write a book that glorifies emotional abuse and are happy so many 16 yo are readng it...makes me wonder what kind of person Stephanie Meyer is. She has kids too, right? Any daughters? Has she told them guys behaving like Edward are ok as long as they are good looking and rich?
For years before 50 shades of stupid came oiut, I said the exact same thing about the Twilight Saga. Teaching an entire generation of teenage girls that stocking and co*dependency and control are romantic and signs of a good relationship.
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Good point. And then people sit there and wonder why our country's women have issues with sexual assault and abuse.
We can start there. As long as we continue to glorify it, it's hypocritical to turn around and condemn it when it suits your voting needs.
And, it's unfair to our men, who are receiving very confusing messages.
Admin, I understand the point about Twilight and stalking, control, and co-dependency can possibly confuse young men. Although I think it might be more confusing for young girls because they are the ones that watch Twilight. The young girls might come to accept that in relationships but I think saying young men might learn that behavior from Twilight is a stretch. But maybe so.
But then you lump sexual assault in with it. What does that have to do with sexual assault? There was no sexual assault in the movie. I didn't read the books so I can't say.
But to go from an unhealthy relationship to sexual assault from someone you're not in a "relationship" with is quite a jump.
miloandjack2016Please @kateplusmy8 show this heidi_fleiss person the door! Sneaks in here under cover of darkness to leave such negative & untrue vile comments! I already reported this person for abusive talk to #IG!
And there's yet another Nanuq photo this a.m.:
kateplusmy8Nanuq's new trick... She does it a million times in a row! #CatchesBalls Meanwhile, Mak is on leash walks only for a sprained paw from all the rough housing! It's breaking our hearts!:(
"Breaking our hearts"? When did everyone over there start developing such soft hearts? When Kate/TLC told them to?
I would hope most foreigners are smart enough to realize that neither candidate is a reflection of the average American's values.
A couple rich people and in many cases corrupt womanizers rose to the top, and those are our choices and you have to get behind one or the other or sit out this one or waste your vote. For many people, sitting out is just not an option. Those two have nothing to do with how the average America lives day to day. I don't judge other countries' people based on their governments. There are some bad leaders out there, but it doesn't mean all the people in the country are bad. Conversely, an excellent leader doesn't mean all the people in the country are good either.
I also think that electing a president that has been accused of sexual assault or covering up sexual assault, is far more damaging to the young men (and women) of this country.
To complain about a book or a movie that glorifies these things and then support and defend a presidential nominee that does these things is far worse.
Seems to me that having someone like that for president will only allow young men to get away with sexual assault. I mean, now they know the "President" is all for grabbing a woman by the P and there's nothing she can do about it.
Or a president threatening someone who wants to go public or report someone for sexual assault.
Or a president that cheats on his wife, or a president that covers up her husband cheating on her.
I think the young men of this world will learn a lot more from that than from a teen girl's book/movie.
The book or movie might be sending the wrong messages, but the President of the United States, or Presidential nominee shouldn't endorse those messages.
What "press rounds"? AFAIK, People was the only rag to waste a "new" story on her, everyone has has been posting recycled material since the boyfriend-dumped-her stories.
Actually there was an instance of "sexual assault" in Twilight. But it wasn't glorified.
When the girl is being assaulted by some boys her vampire friend comes to her rescue.
If you're going to use this particular movie to show young men and women a lesson about sexual assault acceptance, I think this movie would be an example that sexual assault is not okay.
What I don't really hear people discussing much is how those two ended up being our only choices.
Americans need to be honest with themselves about why it is we can't get someone honest and true with solid conservative and liberal ideas to run. Why can't we get great people like Powell, Rice, or Michelle Obama to run? What does that say about the state of the presidency and what it's become?
As far as someone being in a relationship or not when abuse occurs, I don't think that much matters--I think the general point is that the mixed message is being sent that many women like abusive or otherwise inappropriate advances, as reflected by their choices in literature and other pop culture offerings. It's confusing, to both genders actually, and it's time women who participate in that aspect of pop culture own that aspect of his mess.
I also think that electing a president that has been accused of sexual assault or covering up sexual assault, is far more damaging to the young men (and women) of this country.
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Agree, and since they both have, what's the alternative? If you believe voting for a third party candidate is a throw-away vote, which I do, those two are are ONLY choices. Don't be mad at voters for supporting one or the other if those are are only options. If people who intend to vote for one or the other are being honest with themselves, they simply cannot vote based on who is good to women, since both have been horrid to women. They have to let that issue go as a wash, a "tie." Anything else is splitting hairs. The CSI society gets all revved up because there are tapes of one, but the other has handfuls of first-hand accounts and witnesses to back it up--and the other is being awfully darn quiet about this issue, which says a lot about themselves. Both have been proven to suppress women as far as I'm concerned, and both know it.
Don't be mad at voters for supporting one or the other if those are are only options. ------------ There's a difference between supporting one over the other based on their politics and what you think they have to offer our country.
It's another to defend, or make excuses for, their sexual misconduct.
To defend one of them over the other for their sexual misconduct is what I have a problem with.
If I say it's disgusting what Trump did, the reply I would like to hear is "I know!" Or "I agree!" Not "Well Hillary and/or Bill did such and such."
I specifically mentioned Trump because of the audio in the Billy Bush video. I condemned Billy Bush too. He's not running for president.
I don't have an agenda when it comes to bashing Trump. I didn't mention what he did because I think it makes him worse than Hillary or Bill.
But it seems that you can't find something that someone from one party did without hearing "well the other party did this."
Why can't people say "Yeah it's disgusting. They both are disgusting. So I'm not going to defend or explain away what either of them did."
Like I said this wasn't about "politics" for me. It's not about one party being better than the other when it comes to this particular subject.
But then you lump sexual assault in with it. What does that have to do with sexual assault? There was no sexual assault in the movie. I didn't read the books so I can't say. -----------------
In book #3, a dude named Jacob kisses Bella against her will, Bella slaps him and breaks her hand,and when she gets home Bella's dad asks what happened and basically laughs and says "atta boy Jacob".
How I see the connexion with abuse: young girls are more likely to accept abuse and keep quiet because, influenced by books like Twilight, they think it's normal and healthy to have a controlling boyfriend. Basically these tweens/teenagers become easier pray for abusive guys. That's just how I see it.
Saying Twilight is the lesser evil and why focus on that is wrong, in my opinion. We have to start somewhere, why not start by not applauding books that promote unhealthy relationship? Because that's what Twilight and 50 Shades(allegedly, I don't know that much about that trillogy but I take everyone's word for it, plus I read the synopsis) are doing: presenting abusive behaviour in a romantic light. Little things add up to big things. I'm sorry I don't have the time to write a better comment.
I would say though that Twilight is the lesser of the two evils. I just think that's where the young WOMEN might start to think that behavior is acceptable. Although I do think the fact that she punched him when he did it does give the message that it's not okay and that young girls shouldn't just accept it.
I would say that having Presidents that themselves practice sexual misconduct and sexual assault just endorses that behavior at an even greater level for young women to accept it, but that's where the young MEN will be more prone to learn that behavior is acceptable.
As for the message that Trump supporters give young women, I think more about the pic that went viral if a woman wearing a shirt that states "Trump Can Grab My P."
I would say though that Twilight is the lesser of the two evils. ------------- Yes, I reread my message and I realised it sounds as if I'm saying Twilight isn't the lesser evil but of course I agree about that.
I really have to say this: in my country, Shoebox started with a TWO YEAR OLD KID(well probably almost 3). His parents were sick of all his: "Want, want want" around Christmas time and they said: "Hey, you know what? How about some give, give, give? Why don't we pick some of your toys, since you're drawning in so many and give to a kid, who unlike you, has never seen so much as a gift". Next year a couple of family friends did it and now, many years later, it's a nation wide thing. ****** That is so heartwarming. We can only hope that the Gosselin kids will come to realize how much they've been spoiled and will grow up into adults who value giving back. That would be a great legacy of the show.
Oops. I meant to type I WOULD'T say that Twilight is the lesser of the two evils. Just two different kinds I guess. It's not any LESS evil, but it is at a different level.
Not sure how to express what I'm trying to say about it. Maybe that it's the beginning level, and what Trump and Bill and Hillary are doing and have done is taking it to the next level.
So yes, stop it before it begins. But don't keep allowing people in positions of power to champion such behavior.
We can teach young people in literature and media that it's not how you treat women, or allow yourself to be treated. But then electing these men and women into positions of power, and supporting them when they showcase that behavior just negates it.
For years before 50 shades of stupid came oiut, I said the exact same thing about the Twilight Saga. Teaching an entire generation of teenage girls that stocking and co*dependency and control are romantic and signs of a good relationship. I was met with "Oh you're being dramatic, it's up to the parents to educate the kids" for the most part ***** I agree about the Twighlight saga. It's a great fantasy story that capitalized on the whole vampire theme, but becoming one of the undead for your boyfriend is not romantic at all, imo. Tweens love the drama. I never read 50 Shades, but caught the movie on cable. It. was. so. bad! I get that they didn't show all of what was in the book, but I was so embarrassed for the actors portraying these really stupid, silly and utterly ridiculous people. It was not sexy at all to me. I cringed and don't think I made it to the end. Is there a sequel? I can't even...
kateplusmy8Nanuq's new trick... She does it a million times in a row! #CatchesBalls Meanwhile, Mak is on leash walks only for a sprained paw from all the rough housing! It's breaking our hearts!:( ******* As usual, the hyperbole played for sympathy. Puppies need to be reigned in often because they will get hurt from being to hard on their growing bodies. Both our dogs have had sprains and strains from going at it too hard. Rest and sometimes meds usually help and after a few days, it's better. I never thought it was that big of a deal since our dogs are with us all the time and get tons of interaction each day. They also are very comfortable with their crates and do well with quiet and rest when needed.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 143 I would hope most foreigners are smart enough to realize that neither candidate is a reflection of the average American's values. ***** My sense is that those outside the states are horrified by Trump in a prima facie way. I think Hillary and the Clinton sage is more nuanced and takes the longer-term memory of Americans who've lived through all the "scandal" to give it proper perspective.
I do think we Americans are looking pretty bad right about now. The turmoil on this blog is emblematic of how most any foray into conflicting political views and discussions are going presently. It's the third rail. You get people who say, "I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE VOTING FOR SO AND SO!!!!!", and get really angry, even though they know you and who you are, and otherwise like or love you. I've never seen anything like it.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3603771/kate-gosselin-rumors-another-season-of-kate-plus-8-confirmed/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+google%2FyDYq+%28The+Inquisitr+-+News%29 ****** Just regurgitating the same old speculation. When Kate drops little hints about filming (now the dogs an the annual Gosselin vacation?) and "just wait and see!!", the rags glom onto her utterances and sheeple speculation. AFAIK, her show has been doing specials and seasons and was never officially renewed.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 143 I would hope most foreigners are smart enough to realize that neither candidate is a reflection of the average American's values. ------------------- Well that's why this situation is so damn horrible. Who represents a country matters, they contribute to the image of that country because they were elected by the people. Personally I don't believe Trump is a reflection of average Americans(heck, if you just hang out on this blog, you,ll see that plenty Americans are decent people with good morals) but unfortunately, I have to agree that to plenty people US doesn't look so good right now. I'd be lying if I said I don't think about the kind of people who vote for Trump especially in a not so nice manner. With that said, I find it stupid to assume that this happens just in the US or to generalize and say all americans are [insert insult of choice here]. Generalizations only show how dumb the person making them is, in my opinion.
Where am I going with this? No idea. Point is:
-I'm sure most americans aren't imoral -I know what it's like to be in the position where you have to vote for the lesser evil, because there's no other choice -yes, America's image is really suffering right now, from what I can tell -America is not the only country with problems, it's just the one currently in the spotlight -Trump being elected is BAD for the entire world imho
Kate must be really desparate to keep the show going. She is really "all in" on the dog love. They're so special, you can see them on our show, etc. It's actually a little funny to watch her scramble. Maybe you should have had a Plan B Kate instead of just the show.
But it seems that you can't find something that someone from one party did without hearing "well the other party did this." ------ Agree. When I hear that argument it only makes me dislike not only the sinner their defending more but the defender as well. Because that is what it is. Defence, not deflection.
As "Tucker's Mom" said @158, I've never seen anything like it either.
As a Canadian watching the U.S. TV coverage of the American election, I'm hearing little about actual policy from either candidate. From Trump himself all I hear is, "It's going to be amazing" and "You won't believe it" over and over again.
It's been said that Trump is not even listening to his own advisors. It makes me wonder who will be willing to serve in his cabinet and whether he will listen to them.
One thing I will give Trump as a presidential nominee is the "entertainment" factor. It's like watching the worst politically incorrect reality tv show. It would be so "wrong but funny." It's almost like watching satire, but scary at the same time. Just disturbing really.
I mean for one, he's ORANGE. Except for the circles around his eyes. His hair is just a comedic tragedy in itself. Those aren't his natural looks so commenting on them is fair play. Small hands? Eh. He can't help that. But for someone who is so critical about women's looks, he has those comments coming I suppose.
Aside from his choice of grooming it's the things he says and does, from his facial expressions to his inappropriate gestures and comments.
It would be pretty entertaining to see how it all plays out if there wasn't so much to worry about having someone with his temperament in charge of making decisions that affect every US citizen.
Hillary is just as evil, in my opinion, but she's a pretty standard evil wrapped up in a boring package.
Tucker's Mom said... 158 My sense is that those outside the states are horrified by Trump in a prima facie way. I think Hillary and the Clinton sage is more nuanced and takes the longer-term memory of Americans who've lived through all the "scandal" to give it proper perspective.
I do think we Americans are looking pretty bad right about now. The turmoil on this blog is emblematic of how most any foray into conflicting political views and discussions are going presently. It's the third rail. You get people who say, "I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE VOTING FOR SO AND SO!!!!!", and get really angry, even though they know you and who you are, and otherwise like or love you. I've never seen anything like it. ---- If the Republican's hadn't had their own sexual crimes they could have gotten their revenge on the Clintons.
History is always being repeated and no one ever remembers that. Each generation thinks what is happening to it is worse or better than what came before.
Jane said... 14 With no NY Yankees or NY Mets in the series, I've gotta turn to the Cubs to get it done. I think I read they last won the series in 1908? It's way past time! ---------------- Sshhhhh! Knock on wood! I've been a Cubbie fan forever & can barely stand this!
I hope Trump & his narrow minded, narcissistic, conspiracy theory spouting mouth is shut down. And I hope we never hear from him again. Period. I have an absolute allergic response to the man, much like I do with TFW - and I don't mean Former Wife.
The man is unhinged, has the patience of a gnat, and the tact of Hitler.
I'm no fan of Hilary, but at least she is qualified for the job and doesn't make my blood boil.
Unknown said... 160 ******* I like where you went with your post ;-)
I think Trump voters tend to get the worst of his traits projected upon them, and that's a shame. Many feel disenfranchised and are looking for hope and change. Frankly, many don't have the luxury of putting his misogynistic comments and behavior on the top of their "Things That Offend Me About Trump" list. They live in dying towns. They see jobs slipping away. They see drugs consuming their communities. They see their economies staggering or worse. They are afraid of terrorism and what they perceive as an ever-weakening military, coupled with an ever-emboldening enemy in radical religion whose aim to to destroy our way of life, and us along with it. These are our fellow Americans. Not all KKK clans persons and not all irredeemable because they are molded by their unique sets of experiences as citizens. They are as scared of Hillary as her supporters are of Trump. I'm not saying they're right, but am saying that it helps to discern what motivates many Trump voters and understand what their hierarchy of needs are, as compared to others.
As a Canadian watching the U.S. TV coverage of the American election, I'm hearing little about actual policy from either candidate ******* This is just a poo-flinging fest at this point. We are so manipulated by the media's biases-on both sides-that the real issues get lost in the mayhem.
Jeanne said... 161 Kate must be really desparate to keep the show going. She is really "all in" on the dog love. They're so special, you can see them on our show, etc. It's actually a little funny to watch her scramble. Maybe you should have had a Plan B Kate instead of just the show. ****** So true! I think Kate has never had any real intention of getting a mediocre job. I think she would have been thrilled to have landed a hosting position on tv, but I kind of think that ship has sailed. If she couldn't gain traction when she was a tabloid phenomenon, I doubt she can do it now. It's the show, or a spin-off show, or nothing. And yes, the puppies are getting a lot of push and heck, what could be more riveting than watching Kate get more dogs? Chaos!! Mayhem!! Colin who???
I don't know anyone at all who thinks either candidate is the best choice for President. I do know quite a few who are heavily influenced by what their party stands for and are supporting their particular candidate solely because of the (D) or (R) after their name on the ballot.
We've had ugly elections in the past, but what I think is different about this one is how partisan it has gotten. Both candidates are just about equally horrible in their different ways, have vested interests at the extreme fringes of their respective party, and neither will do a good job making decisions on what is good for the vast middle-ground of American citizens.
No matter which one wins in November, it will be the average American that loses over the next four years.
Tucker's Mom (#169), TFW told America she'd get a job at McDonald's if she had to, and I, for one, believe her. Then again, I also still believe in Santa and the tooth fairy, so...
capecodmama said... 174 Is anybody watching The Durrells in Corfu on PBS? Part 1 was last night and I loved it. &&&&& I was eyeing that show, so thanks for the reminder! Had a good binge recently with "Stranger Things".
I've been binge watching "Haters Back Off" on Netflix. I'm surprised that TFW hasn't mentioned it yet because, you know, she's a cool mom and loves Miranda Sings and probably has visions of Mady being the next internet sensation. TFW did say that Mady does a perfect imitation of MS.
As a Canadian watching the U.S. TV coverage of the American election, I'm hearing little about actual policy from either candidate.
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I think that's fair. Hillary can get away with being much more broad and general this time around because Trump is broad and general. She doesn't have to be specific because he isn't. In all the fascinating email leaks from her campaign, it's clear they think their strategy doesn't need to be complicated. They're simply trying to make her the more likable candidate. They flat out said it.
I forgot which talking head said this, but they pointed out that by their count, we haven't heard a PEEP about education in any of the debates yet. That is a huge issue, and it hasn't even been addressed in a debate.
I don't agree with using debate time to address scandals. I don't see them as a policy issue. Perhaps if they dropped the "scandal" questions, we would have more time to discuss how they plan to educate our children. Each candidate can address their various scandals in their own way or not address them, as they like, on their own time. Spending time in a policy debate with it I don't agree with especially when it's causing us to not hear about very important issues.
Agree. When I hear that argument it only makes me dislike not only the sinner their defending more but the defender as well. Because that is what it is. Defence, not deflection.
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Normally I agree with you, but the problem is, when people say Trump (or Hillary, whatever) did this, they then often say, so I'm voting for the other person!
It's not a case of "deflection." People are simply pointing out that if you aren't voting for a candidate because of X, Y, and Z, you should be aware of X, Y, and Z from the alternative.
It feels a little like saying I can't swim so I won't go in the ocean, but I'll see you at the lake. Someone is going to feel compelled to point out they are both water. They're not "deflecting" from the ocean. They're pointing out the facts.
History is always forgotten just when it needs to be remembered. Every generation thinks it has the worst or the best.
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That I agree with. :) There is sometimes a lack of perspective and short term memories about history. That's when I bring out the fainting couch, tee-hee. :) The same couch we've been fainting on for a hundred years.
Unknown thank you for your thoughts I agree with most of them.
Another thought to a drive by who supports 50 shades but deplores the rape culture, as long as there are people who don't take responsibility for supporting things like 50 Shades of Grey, the rape culture will continue. I do NOT buy into the idea that people, women, whatever, can say and do and support whatever they like no matter how exploitive it is to women, and that this has no bearing on the overall suppression of women. No. Personal responsibility for the direction of our sexuality as a gender, is imperative.
Just no end of dog advice from Milo, she's convinced she's an expert on this (as every) subject. Meanwhile, Kate's bending over backward to try to explain how Mak hurt himself. What's the matter, Kate, afraid people will start accusing you of animal abuse? Is that really all in your past?
miloandjack2016 I bet #Nanuq is thinking...."My human just learned a new trick!! And she does it a zillion times!" LOL. @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 Sorry to hear about #Mak...its tough when they are in that endless rough play stage. Did vet put a soft splint on paw for support? Front or back paw? @kateplusmy8
kateplusmy8 Nope not getting sick to all who asked! It's just wee early in the am when I'm out there playing with her.. She's got more energy than she can burn in a day! @barbgilmer1
kateplusmy8 No splint for some reason (I asked) and it's his front right (which Shoka has a habit of grabbing when they play; plus mak has slipped a few times so don't know which did it) and I CANNOT WAIT TO LET HIM RUN! Hes scratched my wood floors to bits from boredom and when I covered it with a new piece of linoleum, it took him 5 min to rip a hole!! Grrrrr @miloandjack2016
miloandjack2016 Oh my...maybe you should put some #FootieSocks on those paws to keep him from scratching like that! And get him a really good #Chewy that lasts a while....if that is possible! LOL. @kateplusmy8
mydmaxx2581 Nanug can catch...good girl. Get well soon Mak. Is Shoka enjoying playtime with them?
miloandjack2016 #Jack sprained his paw jumping up into back of pickup truck....we put a foam support around the paw w/breathable tape. He could walk better w/it...and in about 3 or 4 days he was fine! 😃 @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 I have to tell you...just looking at this latest vid of #Nanuq...she is going to be an incredibly gorgeous King Shepherd! Obvious you are training her and spending time w/her too! Why don't you do a picture calendar for next yr w/your dogs? Seriously...they are very photogenic!! @kateplusmy8
No, just...no. I am not personally responsible for your sexuality any more than you are personally responsible for mine. You continue to be an apologist for rape culture. It is not now and never will be okay for men to sexually assault women.
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Yes, just yes.
We don't get to glorify rape and sexual dominance, then turn around and complain about "rape culture".
Yes, just yes. Put away your nasty filthy rape glorification books and grow up.
That is not in any way saying it's OKAY to sexually assault anyone. That's like saying it's okay to rob someone who leaves hundred dollar bills sitting out on their porch. Of course it's not okay to rob them. But, it doesn't mean they aren't being very irresponsible with securing their money. Pointing out one's irresponsibility does not equal "acceptance" of something else. Stop over-simplyfing it.
The dog scratched the wood floors? We know Kate doesn't usually let dogs past the foyer. Either she's doing her usual wordsmithing where one scratch equals ruined or she actually let the dogs in the house just so they can scratch the floors. Then she can have an episode getting new floors (and furniture too) because she's just a normal mom with these adorable puppies. (Blech!)
The pup with the hurt paw. I wonder how that really happened. I hope the pup wasn't running and jumping near one of the 3 vehicles, if she had to move one.
I don't think she would leave and let them run loose down the road. She has too much invested in them. But Shoka and Nala? No problem.
Do you really think that she is setting up a new floor episode because of the pup's scratching? It's been 10 years and TFW needs new flooring and she doesn't want to pay for it.
She wants those wood floors refinished and wants TLC to pay the bill. I doubt the wood was scratched primarily from the dogs but from years of wear and tear from her family and the previous owner. If there are scratches from the dogs, they will mostly be by the doors. Put a rug there!
I've never had a dog scratch floors out of boredom or frustration. That's where early training comes in, so you can shape behavior and responses, give corrections and rewards to reinforce positive things that you want. A great example is our lab girl. She started to lob herself over our deck railing to jump into the backyard (which is also fenced), and while it's not high, nor did I think she'd hurt herself, but I wanted her to know that when I let her out on the deck, ,that's where she is to stay. I watched her to see if and how she was getting over the railing, caught her slinging herself over the top, mid escape, and gave a sharp "no! eh eh!" and she looked right at me. I said "off" and "stay" with a hand signal, and she'e not even as much as tried it again since. Those months and months of training were SO worth it. Redirecting is a really valuable tool.
Tucker's Mom said... 175 capecodmama said... 174 Is anybody watching The Durrells in Corfu on PBS? Part 1 was last night and I loved it. &&&&& I was eyeing that show, so thanks for the reminder!
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I second that. Thanks for the reminder. I started to watch it and fell asleep. Not because it was boring. I seem to always fall asleep watching shows at night! It is very quirky. My kind of show.........
If the puppy is injured so severely that he can only walk on a leash and not play why isn't he kenneled? We know that she kennels them because there was of picture of Mak and Aaden in the kennel. There is nothing wrong with kenneling a dog that's recuperating especially if the puppy refuses to rest. A sprain can be pretty serious depending on the grade. Like her broken foot, I think the injury is more of a strain than a sprain.
Like her broken foot, I think the injury is more of a strain than a sprain. ****** I believe Kate fractured her pinky toe, but it's just not the kind of injury that puts your on bed rest, or should I say, bedroom rest, where you can't limp out 20 feet to the kitchen! By their age, the puppies should be crate trained enough that leaving them in their crates in a quiet room should allow them to settle and sleep. Mostly, you want to prevent running and jumping, so being in a room with furniture or steps is counterproductive. Generally, our dogs' sprains and strains resolved in 2-4 or 5 days with rest and medication for pain. Also, the pain meds can make them sleepy, which can be VERY helpful.
As with Nala and Shoka when they were puppies, the Gosselin house is a bit risky to raise puppies. They need mature humans and a lot of supervision. That's the part I think they don't get. It's tough enough with one, and two would take a whole lot of concentrated effort.
Oh golly, it's Shoka's b'day. How could I have forgotten? She's really going so overboard about the dogs, it's ridiculous. Repetition is the sincerest form of fakery, I guess.
kateplusmy8 HAPPY 8th BIRTHDAY TO THE KING OF KING SHEPHERDS. You changed our lives for the better, guard us, love us unconditionally, AND gave us your amazing 'kids'! Today is YOUR day! Party time after school, Shokie! ❤️🐶❤️ #Shoka #MayYouLiveForever
As for Kate and her non-stop "fawning" about the dogs... I really think that she has no responsibilities when it comes to the dogs. We've all seen how she acts when she's the one that has to clean up after someone, or is the one responsible for keeping things organized and clean.
Those kids must have to do everything when it comes to chores for the dogs and cleaning up their messes.
She also doesn't groom or bathe them herself. She won't even let the dogs play in water because she doesn't want wet dogs.
I also believe it's all public persona. I don't believe for a second that Kate didn't flip out when the dog scratched up her floors. It's not like you can just throw then out and get new floors easily.
It's like having a baby but your nanny does all the hard work. You can cuddle and kiss it and adore its cuteness because you're not the one feeding and bathing and changing its diapers and cleaning up their messes.
We've seen the real Kate and how she treats her kids compared to how she tweets all sweetness and love about them. It's all for public image.
Why am i so skeptical of this story milo is telling about her dogs?With the way she's been obsessing over Kate's dogs it feels like she's just trying to get attention. Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 13h13 hours ago I tell you I REALLY VALUE my loud mouth dogs! Some one tried to break into hubs pickup truck last nite! #ManiacBarkingDogs ran him off! LOL
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 13h13 hours ago I tell you I REALLY VALUE my loud mouth dogs! Some one tried to break into hubs pickup truck last nite! #ManiacBarkingDogs ran him off! LOL ======== That person had to come down a pretty long private road in order to break into her husband's pick-up. Seems like it would be pretty far out of someone's way when there are probably easier pickins' in town.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 13h13 hours ago I tell you I REALLY VALUE my loud mouth dogs! Some one tried to break into hubs pickup truck last nite! #ManiacBarkingDogs ran him off! LOL
From the pictures Milo has posted, she lives in an isolated wooded area. Can't imagine anyone interested in hub's truck, LOL. She really is a psycho liar like Kate.
just wondering -- Your comment about Trump being unacceptable on every level is what causes anger and fighting. I've been guilty of the same thing. This election cycle is so bad and with such awful choices it makes people want to barf. But there are people on the other side of what you believe who are good, caring, loving people and they feel as strongly as you that Hillary is wrong on every level and we've been watching her scrap her way to where she is now for years. But I sincerely mean this, we as a nation are at a huge crossroads no matter which of these 2 clowns wins. It makes me very sad to think of where we are going as a country for the sake of my grandchildren.
1983 sediments (sic) from readers:
«Oldest ‹Older 1001 – 1200 of 1983 Newer› Newest»You don't think there's a difference between someone using the crude and offensive term "p***y," and someone claiming they can grab someone's p***y and get away with it?
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Of course there's a difference, though who knows if he actually did what he said he did and wasn't just bragging about sexcapades like many men do when they really haven't done half or any of it.
But, both are vulgar. We can rank the vulgarity all day long just like Trump ranks women, but don't be vulgar on a 5 out of 10 and then get all out of shape when someone else is vulgar on a 6 out of 10. You look ridiculous doing so.
Sorry, but saying you WANT to grab a woman's p***y, is vulgar. Maybe a 10 out of 10.
But saying you CAN do it and get away with it is talking about sexually assaulting someone without consequences. That's beyond just being vulgar.
Sorry, but saying you WANT to grab a woman's p***y, is vulgar. Maybe a 10 out of 10.
But saying you CAN do it and get away with it is talking about sexually assaulting someone without consequences. That's beyond just being vulgar.
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It's very vulgar and the word itself is very demeaning to women.
My point is don't regularly use that word yourself, as our drive by here is doing, then get mad at other people being vulgar. It's hypocritical at best, regardless of who is more or less vulgar. Splitting hairs.
Many people think the accusers of both Trump and Clinton are lying because they didn't come forward sooner. Or it's political strategy on the opponent's part.
I think it's all about timing. You come out accusing Trump or Clinton at any other time and it won't get the press it deserves. You also won't get the public backing it deserves.
Most likely it will be handled privately if you can even get that far, and you're up against powerful people with a lot of money and influence. You're not going to get the publicity you need to speak out against such powerful people.
You also see them go on tv bragging or lying or acting like the hope for the future of America, and probably think Ok enough is enough. I can't let this happen.
Donald Trump said it himself. He can get away with it because he's a celebrity. I can't imagine trying to go after Trump or the Clintons at any other time than an election year.
The whole world, or at least the US, is paying attention now. It's the perfect time to speak up. You may get a lot of haters, but you'll also get a lot of support.
No way that Billy Bush/Trump tape would have come out just because someone accused Trump of sexual misconduct or assault.
Sad But True,
Yeah I doubt anyone else has physical evidence or we would have seen it by now.
However, Monica had consensual sex. She wasn't sexually assaulted, by her own admission.
I'm not defending any of it. Clinton took advantage of a 22-year-old. My opinion is 22-year-olds are "young" and don't make the best decisions. That's in general of course. I'm sure a lot do, but we all know the decision-making part of the brain isn't fully developed until 26 years of age.
But she was an "adult," and of legal age, she consented.
But Clinton is still a pig, in my opinion.
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Sad But True,
Yeah I doubt anyone else has physical evidence or we would have seen it by now.
However, Monica had consensual sex. She wasn't sexually assaulted, by her own admission.
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But it wasn't just her youth, he was also her employer, which I think must certainly compound the sexual harassment and moral dimensions of that mess.
To all of the shoebox packers of Operation Christmas Child.
West Point Pepperell is going out of business. Here is a list of stores and I saw one located in Lancaster. I believe a couple of posters live near here.
I know someone who bought beautiful colorful bed skirts for 25 cents each. These would make beautiful dresses for the girls for the boxes.
Collection week is in a month. Would be a great project to do. Maybe several people could have a sewing party and make some.
I would do anything to help give these precious kids a gift, and hope that someone out there loves them and truly cares.
Khate must be torn on the twins driving. One the one hand, she'd have two new slaves to shuttle her and the six around, fill up the tank, etc, while she does whatever the hell she does all day. She would also have another thing to take away from M and C, which she's said she likes.
At the same time she would have to give up control, to her children no less. Yes, it must be confusing times in Khate's brain.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 199
If Trump were running against Michelle, the moral outrage would actually make sense. She is a good woman and mother. She has class. She reminds me of Rice in her reserved demeanor and reasonableness. People like them NEVER run.
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Speaking of Condoleezza Rice, I see she's asking Trump to withdraw from the race per her Facebook entry:
“Enough! Donald Trump should not be President. He should withdraw. As a Republican, I hope to support someone who has the dignity and stature to run for the highest office in the greatest democracy on earth.”
It sounds to me like the drive-by troll/sheeple or whatever is having too much fun here and is posting just for amusement and being argumentative and baiting. It gets really old after a while.
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Hats off to the Dodger's manager.
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Hats not off to the Nat's third base coach ;-(
what the what?
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I'm just going to imagine that the Nat's had Strasburg, Ramos and a fully healthy Bryce. Yes... mmmmm, that's a nice place to be right now. World Champs the Washington Nationals...
Though doesn't it seem a bit ridiculous that the MLB, NFL and NBA call their champions "World"?
The extreme imbalance of power between an intern and the president of the United States makes any "consent" completely irrelevant. Speaking of consent. Interestingly enough, no where in trumps recorded conversation does he mention he grabbed people without consent. In fact just the opposite, he specifically stated the women agreed to it. For some reason people have assumed there was no consent. Why is that? Sometimes people agree to sexual activity, if not most of the time lol. Not every sexual encounter is a rape.
With no NY Yankees or NY Mets in the series, I've gotta turn to the Cubs to get it done. I think I read they last won the series in 1908? It's way past time!
Like others I read here for respite and because I have an interest in the Gosselin situation. I hope we can quiet the political discourse.
#NookiePookie made another appearance last night. Milo was very late to the party, but she made it. Fewer and fewer comments, though.
kateplusmy8 Wanna play ball? #Nanuq #EndlessEnergy ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
miloandjack2016 What a happy pretty girl she is! So who gets out there & plays ball w/her? The #Endless EnergyMom? 😋 @kateplusmy8
She is a good woman and mother. She has class. She reminds me of Rice in her reserved demeanor and reasonableness.
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Michelle and Condoleezza have reserved demeanor and reasonableness. But for anyone condemning Trump's outrageous behavior it's being Puritanical.
Tamara (#9), good points about TFW's possible ambivalence about the twins becoming drivers. I think another issue might be, how can she continue convincing herself she's a hot, young, date-able chick if she has kids who are old enough to drive?
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westcoastie said... 174
I have no words-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-3837514/Jon-Gosselin-posts-throwback-snap-daughters-Mady-Cara-16th-birthday.html
October 14, 2016 at 12:39 AM
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Could you find some? I'm not sure what you're alluding to. The DM article is just a re-post of Jon's IG birthday wish to his girls, and old sh*t cobbled together from the past.
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Finding my words!
His daughters have no relationship with him at the moment. They want no relationship at the moment. Basically they don't want their names in his mouth.
So, what does he do? He posts an old photo of them to social media.
Relationshipships with children after an acrimonious divorce can heal over time. But generally not if you keep doing the same kind of things said children asked you not to do.
(And yes, I undestand that their mother does it ad nauseam and for now they seem accepting of this)
The family all just need to crawl back under a rock.
Admin,
Trump said he can grab a woman's P and there's nothing she can do about it.
That does not imply consent. If fact, it implies they didn't consent. He just spoke about kissing women right off the bat without waiting for consent.
I don't see how anyone can argue he was taking about grabbing a woman's P with their consent.
I don't see how anyone can argue he was taking about grabbing a woman's P with their consent.
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Because he said they agreed to it???
Relationshipships with children after an acrimonious divorce can heal over time. But generally not if you keep doing the same kind of things said children asked you not to do.
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Where did the twins ask him not to wish them a happy birthday? I missed that.
Ok let me correct myself. He didn't say there's nothing they can do about it. But it still doesn't imply they gave consent.
But it still doesn't imply they gave consent.
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Not sure how much clearer he could be. They agreed. That's not assault. His words, they let him do it. Not, they resisted. Not, they were reluctant. Not, they said no. They AGREED.
I have no problem with a discussion about vulgar words and rich people getting sex with beautiful women, but when people twist things around to suit their anti Trump agenda by labeling consensual contact rape or assault, they just lose credibility.
We can certainly have a dicsusion all we want about someone using their power and influence to put women in positions of imblanace. But let's not say he assaulted them when he never said he did anything without their agreement.
People really are just reading the media headlines, and not the actual transcript. It's really disappointing. Trump tried to explain he certainly did NOT assault those women when Anderson tried to tell him it was sexual assault, but my boyfriend wouldn't listen. Appalling. I've NEVER seen moderators debate the candidate like that. That was flat out wrong.
Sorry but I just watched the Trump Billy Bush video and nothing there seemed like his comments involved consent. From the married woman he made the move on and couldn't "get in there," to how he just starts kissing women. And then how he eats a tic tac in case he just starts kissing her.
Maybe he's flat out lying. Or embellishing, but no where did he say the women consent. Just that he can do anything because he's a celebrity.
I'm sorry Admin,
Maybe I missed it. I didn't hear him say the women agreed in that video. I checked again. You have a quote?
Actually nowhere did Trump say he did grab them. He just said he CAN. I'm not accusing him of grabbing anyone's P. But if he did it in the manner he said in the video when he didn't realize he was recorded, or maybe knew, but didn't think it would be viewed by the public he never said anything about consent.
Maybe he said it in his defense after the fact. But he never said in the first video that he did do that. Just that he could. That could imply he has done it, but it doesn't actually mean he has.
Whether or not he has done that for real is for his victims to claim. And it would be their word against his.
That video of Trump and Billy Bush isn't about their actually sexually assaulting women. It's about their ATTITUDE about sexually assaulting women.
A man in power whose attitude is I can do anything I want to women? Weilding that power as President of the United States? No thanks.
And I say the same about any President, past, present, or future.
Admin,
You're taking Donald Trump's word for it. Which is fine, if you believe him.
But Bill Clinton went on national TV and swore he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I'm sure plenty of people believed him too.
I don't have a strong opinion as to whether or not Trump actually did sexually assault women, but I do have a strong opinion hearing his attitude about it in his own words.
Didn't he also say he didn't go in pageant dressing rooms where women were undressed. There's a video of him saying he DID indeed do that. He told Howard Stern.
Maybe he's flat out lying. Or embellishing, but no where did he say the women consent.
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Are we reading the same thing? He said they let him. I let OH kiss me this morning. That is consent. No one stands around and said yes man you may kiss me on the lips then the cheek then grope me. You ether say no, or you let them. It's not 1870.
Admin,
I don't think we are talking about the same video. I'm talking about the actual video with Trump and Billy Bush.
I stopped commenting a long time ago but have continued to read and lurk. And while it is certainly your right on your blog to support whoever you like, the political undertones here make me realize it is time to depart. Donald Trump is a sexual predator of decades standing. There is no other way to spin it. And I am tired of trying to get into the minds of women, young or old, whose dislike of Hillary Clinton obfuscates their understanding of this. Support him, vote for him, but he is an immature, narcissistic sexual predator. We have to elect a grownup next month; there is only one candidate who fits that description.
And apparently I have outgrown my interest in Kate Gosselin too. It's been a good run; the folks here have entertained me a lot, but there is not enough rumspringa under the porch for me these days.
OrangeCrusher1/OrangeCoaster
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Maybe he's flat out lying. Or embellishing, but no where did he say the women consent.
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Are we reading the same thing? He said they let him. I let OH kiss me this morning. That is consent. No one stands around and said yes man you may kiss me on the lips then the cheek then grope me. You ether say no, or you let them. It's not 1870.
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I would assume that you are in a relationship with OH. If the dude you passed on the corner walking into work grabbed you and kissed you, that would be okay? Hell, you didn't say no before it happened, so by default you agreed, right?
Admin,
So you're saying you either give consent or say no? What about the man who swoops in and starts kissing you before you have a chance to say no? Or grabs your P before you can stop him?
Trump himself said just starts kissing them. Doesn't even wait. Wait for what? Consent? Or a third date?
Trump put that tic tac in case he starts kissing her. His words. Probably an embellishment but sure doesn't imply consent.
Not sure how much clearer he could be. They agreed. That's not assault. His words, they let him do it. Not, they resisted. Not, they were reluctant. Not, they said no. They AGREED.
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Trump said "“And when you’re a star, they let you do it,” “You can do anything.”
He implied he could get away with it because he's a "star".
IMO, saying "they let you do it" to imply consent is the same as using the "she asked for it" defense.
Admin said,
The extreme imbalance of power between an intern and the president of the United States makes any "consent" completely irrelevant.
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Fair enough. But how "extreme" must the imbalance of power be?
Trump is a very powerful man. He's mega-rich with all kinds of powerful connections.
Beauty pageant contestant vs Beauty pageant owner? Imbalance?
I think if anyone is going to argue imbalance of power vs consent, the same argument should apply to Trump and his version of "consent."
Trump, Clintons, all powerful slime. They all have "power" over most people they try to take advantage of. The same argument/defense should apply to all of them.
She was off the schedule for almost three years (8/11 - 6/14), they brought her back for the tups' 10th b'day (when she put on the clown outfit---I wonder if TLC insisted on that, lol). And when that got decent ratings, they sent her out on the Pilgrim's Progress tour.
October 14, 2016 at 6:41 AM
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sbt- thank you! Wow! I forgot is was that long before TLC picked her show up again.
Kate really got a Mulligan there. I'm betting Kate was knocking down TLC's door the whole time, too.
I think if anyone is going to argue imbalance of power vs consent, the same argument should apply to Trump and his version of "consent."
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But that's exactly my point. The Anti trump crowd wants to jump to all kinds of conclusions about what kind of consent was or was not given when the fact is we have no information about the encounters he spoke about other than his words were state in fact there was no objection. So people make this leap anyway there was some kind of assault going on. Yet the same people turn around and say a basically almost child intern could consent to the most powerful man in the world sexually exploiting her. You can't have it both ways. I've never seen such leaps. Trump may very well be a predator (as was Clinton) but people are filling in an awful lot of blank spaces with wild imaginations in order to get there. Because they want to get there, pure and simple.
Jane said... 14
Like others I read here for respite and because I have an interest in the Gosselin situation. I hope we can quiet the political discourse.
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Me too.
She reminds me of Rice in her reserved demeanor and reasonableness. People like them NEVER run.
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I know! I really, really liked Condy. Margaret Albright is also someone I admire greatly.
Both strong, capable, measured and wouldn't touch a run for the Presidency with a 10-foot pole.
My point is don't regularly use that word yourself, as our drive by here is doing, then get mad at other people being vulgar. It's hypocritical at best, regardless of who is more or less vulgar. Splitting hairs.
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Just...did you...no, I can't go there.
Too easy ;-)
(lighten up, folks. I'm making a joke!!)
Admin,
I have no personal agenda towards Trump. I'm not bashing him in defense of Clintons. This isn't about "politics." Yes it involves politicians and it came up because of the debate etc but at this point I don't feel strongly toward either side, politically, morally or otherwise.
My issue wasn't Trump claiming he got consent. I don't even know what video you're talking about. Because I don't care what his excuses or defenses are.
I HEARD him say that he can grab a woman by her P if he wants because he's a celebrity. He can do "anything" he wants to women. ANYTHING. That doesn't imply consent.
I agree that Bill took advantage of Monica. But the "consent" argument was yours, not mine. I said she gave consent and you said she can't. Fine. I'll give you that. But then you argue that Trump's defense is his "victims" gave consent.
But apparently Trump himself claims in the Billy Bush video that he doesn't give the women time to even consent. He just goes for it. So this isn't even about consent.
Trumps comments in the video are not about two people willingly partaking in sexual acts, even though they legally or morally couldn't give consent.
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Agree with everything.
Monica has kept herself out of the fray, and I give her great credit for that. I'm SURE she has been courted heavily by the opposition.
Smart lady to not entertain the offers.
If Kate thinks she was hounded by the paps, ha! She should have been in D.C. when this scandal blew up and Monica was holed up in the Mayflower hotel.
I can't imagine what that 22-year old young woman felt.
She is a survivor.
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To all of the shoebox packers of Operation Christmas Child.
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Thanks for reminding us of this wonderful charity!
In my opinion there is no defense of the Clintons or Trump. I don't normally discuss politics online.
Maybe I'll just refer to Trump as a business man and Apprentice tv show host. All my arguments still apply.
If he loses the election he will be on blast still, on my part, as a business man and as a celebrity.
I bet there are thousands of rape victims out there who don't fight back or utter the word "no" out of fear for their lives. I guess that's consensual sex 2016 style in the Administrator's book.
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Where in the world is your proof that trump raped any of those women he spoke about much less did anything they didn't want to??? You're really treading a line. It's like you want them to have been raped just to bring him down. That's what's sick. Who wants these encounters to be sinister?? Wow.
Millions of women engage in consensual sexual activity with men because the men are rich and powerful. That is their right to do so. How In the world do you know these women he spoke about didn't want this? At least one was happy to allow him to buy her a bunch of expensive furniture. Hardly feels like a rape victim. I will not live in a nanny state that starts telling rich and powerful people they're not allowed to have sexual encounters lest some snowflake liberal decides that's not "consensual" because they're rich. Rape is rape, but believe it or not the vast majority of people have sexual encounters wih others even rich people because they want to. Mom might thinks it's gross, BFF and sister might scoff, but it's none of their damn business. Nor ours to tell women not to do this.
At the same time she would have to give up control, to her children no less. Yes, it must be confusing times in Khate's brain.
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I think Kate filming the twins learning to drive in no way means that they are on a hard and fast track to get their licenses-like gymnastics and ice skating etc. A driving episode could be just that-for filming only.
Though doesn't it seem a bit ridiculous that the MLB, NFL and NBA call their champions "World"?
October 14, 2016 at 8:38 AM
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American Imperialism!!!!
(am going to hide in my corner now!)
Finding my words!
His daughters have no relationship with him at the moment. They want no relationship at the moment. Basically they don't want their names in his mouth.
So, what does he do? He posts an old photo of them to social media.
Relationshipships with children after an acrimonious divorce can heal over time. But generally not if you keep doing the same kind of things said children asked you not to do.
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Thanks! That's what I thought you might be alluding to, but didn't want to assume.
Sigh. I agree. Any way you slice it, I would capitulate. There's little to no upshot if Jon doesn't.
Admin said...
Millions of women engage in consensual sexual activity with men because the men are rich and powerful. That is their right to do so. How In the world do you know these women he spoke about didn't want this?
And:
Not sure how much clearer he could be. They agreed. That's not assault. His words, they let him do it. Not, they resisted. Not, they were reluctant. Not, they said no. They AGREED.
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I agree with you. I agree with everything you said.
But then that goes against your "consent" argument. You said you can't give consent if there's an extreme imbalance of power.
Then you agreed the "can't give consent" would apply to Trump, as well as to Bill Clinton.
So your above statements seem contradictory to me. Can you explain how it's not a contradiction?
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IMO, saying "they let you do it" to imply consent is the same as using the "she asked for it" defense.
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Perfectly said. And in a lot less words and posts than I took. Lol.
How In the world do you know these women he spoke about didn't want this? At least one was happy to allow him to buy her a bunch of expensive furniture. Hardly feels like a rape victim.
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Now you're really reaching. Trump did not say he bought anyone expensive furniture.
These are quotes that he said about the woman(later identified as Nancy O'Dell)that he went furniture shopping with.
“I moved on her, and I failed. I’ll admit it”
“I did try and f--- her. She was married,”
“And I moved on her very heavily. In fact, I took her out furniture shopping. She wanted to get some furniture. I said, ‘I’ll show you where they have some nice furniture.’”
“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married,”
So tell me where it states that he bought her "expensive furniture" and that she was happy about it?
Here he is bragging about trying to hit on a married woman, and you're okay with that?
"At least one was happy to allow him to buy her a bunch of expensive furniture." Did Nancy O'Dell actually say that Trump paid for the furniture he took her to see? I haven't heard her comment about that.
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So tell me where it states that he bought her "expensive furniture" and that she was happy about it?
Here he is bragging about trying to hit on a married woman, and you're okay with that?
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He took her nice furniture shopping implies. When someone says I took her to dinner, I took her shopping, that means they bought them something. Generally.
In any case, it doesn't matter if I'm okay with it. It doesn't matter if you're okay with it. I don't impose my sexual morality on candidates. The respective parties are the ones who have to decide if they are okay with it, it's up to them and them alone. I don't vote based on who has hit on married people. If did, I'd never be able to vote for anyone. Plus, how do you know who has when so much of it is usually done quietly?
In fact, that's who Clinton got off. America decided you know what, it's none of our business.
Grabbing a woman's P without her being able to "do anything" about it is sexual assault.
THAT is my issue.
Not who had consensual sex. Not who flirted. Not who tried to hook up with a married woman. Not vulgar language.
My issue is Trump's attitude toward the sexual assault of women, whether or not he personally sexually assaulted someone or not. His comments encouraged grabbing a woman's P if you're in the power or position to do so.
If I offer to "take" someone to dinner, yes I would pay. If I offer to take someone to "see" furniture I would expect that person to pay for the furniture they choose to "buy".
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If I speak about the times, while riding the NYC subway back in the 70s and 80s, that I was grabbed in the crotch or breasts, is there an assumption that I might have consented? Hell, no. It wasn't reportable and it wasn't unusual. My friends openly discussed these things, we all dealt with it. Should it happen now, I'd take a picture and report it as a sexual assault, which it was. Back then, no one would listen. Or how about the time an attorney in a law firm I was temping at grabbed me and kissed me. Who would have believed a young college student over a powerful attorney? And I would have been fired. I understand these women - why they didn't say anything years ago and why they feel empowered now. Politics aside, Trump is a sexual predator.
I am reminded of the time when, as an eleven or twelve year old child, I was sitting in an aisle seat of a very crowded bus. A man standing next to my seat kept pressing his crotch area against my shoulder. I was very uncomfortable about this but didn't even know why. I remember leaning the upper part of my body closer to the woman sitting next to me in order to distance myself from him. Many people were standing and it was a bumpy bus ride and I couldn't be sure if he was deliberately rubbing his crotch against my shoulder or if he was being jostled by the crowd around him. I will never forget how uncomfortable I felt and in retrospect I regret not mentioning it to the stranger woman seated beside me.
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Trump and Bill Clinton are both men who degrade women. Why Trump thinks he can smear Hillary as an enabler is beyond me. I guess that makes his ex-wives and Melania enablers too if you follow his reasoning. I'm with Michelle Obama and her outstanding speech yesterday. I was sexually harrassed as a young woman at work. I've also been leered at, had one guy exposed himself to me on a city street, had my behind grabbed on a subway, etc. You just accept the crap because what can you do? For me, I am sick and tired of men using their physical dominance to harass women. I watched the last debate and Trump was literally stalking Hillary, glaring like he would pounce on her. It made me sick.
Ingrid...38, Jane...14...Like others I read here for respite and because I have an interest in the Gosselin situation. I hope we can quiet the political discourse.
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Jane, Ingrid and everyone else who never wanted to have this discussion here, I apologize for my contribution to the political dialogue. I am truly sorry I ever joined in and will not be drawn in again. I hope you get your refuge back soon.
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Like others I read here for respite and because I have an interest in the Gosselin situation. I hope we can quiet the political discourse.
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Me three!
Tucker's Mom (#46), your comment reminded me of the Sara Snow "go green" episode, where TFW, the queen of plastic bags, was forced to pretend to care about the environment. I wonder how quickly those recycling bins became extinct. Sara, bless her heart, was so into it, and so charmed by the kids. She seemed like a good egg.
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She was off the schedule for almost three years (8/11 - 6/14), they brought her back for the tups' 10th b'day (when she put on the clown outfit---I wonder if TLC insisted on that, lol). And when that got decent ratings, they sent her out on the Pilgrim's Progress tour.
October 14, 2016 at 6:41 AM
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sbt- thank you! Wow! I forgot is was that long before TLC picked her show up again.
Kate really got a Mulligan there. I'm betting Kate was knocking down TLC's door the whole time, too.
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I know! I couldn't believe it was that long too! When they they finally showed the tups birthday party, the one where she wore the clown suit, I wonder if they said, hey, this will bring in the ratings, if you wear this.
And she was so desperate, she put it on.
Bet in the small office production meeting someone thought of it and they all had a belly laugh. I can see someone laughing so hard, tears shooting out of their eyes saying, Oh, my goodness, SHE'LL DO IT, SHE'LL DO IT!!!
Order the suit, Order the suit!!! Overnight it!!!
Bwahahaha
You know she was on them like crazy to get back on!
Anyone here watching The Great British Baking Show on PBS?
I mostly gave up on The Food Network because of all their competition shows, but this one is different. Here the contestants are helpful to each other. No yelling no belittling, just doing their best to win & if they don't, they seem happy for the one who does.
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I am reminded of the time when, as an eleven or twelve year old child, I was sitting in an aisle seat of a very crowded bus. A man standing next to my seat kept pressing his crotch area against my shoulder. I was very uncomfortable about this but didn't even know why. I remember leaning the upper part of my body closer to the woman sitting next to me in order to distance myself from him. Many people were standing and it was a bumpy bus ride and I couldn't be sure if he was deliberately rubbing his crotch against my shoulder or if he was being jostled by the crowd around him. I will never forget how uncomfortable I felt and in retrospect I regret not mentioning it to the stranger woman seated beside me.
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Anon. bm, I am so sorry that happened to you. I am almost in tears. Reading your post, brought back memories of a incident with my former allergy dr.
I can't remember how old I was, I was either 17 or 18. I had on jeans and a paper gown on. I was sitting on the exam table. He came in and started to exam me.
He placed the stethoscope up under the paper gown to listen to my breathing. He then got his hand and placed it on my left breast and was basically cupping it, while moving his crotch into my knee.
It all happened so fast. I instantly realized what he was doing and that scared, rushing heat of embarrassment hit me like a ton of bricks. I was scared because there was no nurse with us. Huge red flag.
I stared at him HARD. He backed off. I felt embarrassed and ashamed. My word against a highly respected allergy specialist in the big city.
I checked and he is in his mid 80's now and living in FL.
Freaking pig.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 61
Tucker's Mom (#46), your comment reminded me of the Sara Snow "go green" episode, where TFW, the queen of plastic bags, was forced to pretend to care about the environment. I wonder how quickly those recycling bins became extinct. Sara, bless her heart, was so into it, and so charmed by the kids. She seemed like a good egg.
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Poor Sara. That good egg had to deal with a rotten egg.
It's not Trump's pussygrabbing comments or that he's being accused by multiple women of sexual assault, it's all of this on TOP of everything else he's said and done.
Anon this time @64 - Thank you for your kind response and for sharing your very disturbing experience.
"Freaking pig" indeed!! Not what you expect from a trusted professional person who took an oath to do no harm.
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Your welcome, anon bm.
It is a crying shame almost every girl has some similar event like this. For a girl to grow up to 21 years old and NOT be touched, fondled, raped, molested, groped by someone would be miraculous.
I think it's time Donald Trump was asked: 'If you yourself didn't do the things you said a famous man can get away with, how do you know that you can get away with doing them?'
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Another story: I was at a movie when I was was working as a new nurse and a respected doctor from the hospital was seated beside me. He was masturbating during the movie so hard my chair was vibrating.He gave me a leering grin, ugh. It was awful to be back at work the next day and act like nothing happened. I never mentioned it but now of course I certainly would.
I mostly gave up on The Food Network because of all their competition shows, but this one is different. Here the contestants are helpful to each other. No yelling no belittling, just doing their best to win & if they don't, they seem happy for the one who does.
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That was on all the time in Europe last week. It was a delight. I was addicted to that and the British version of Million Dollar Listing. Amazing.
Calling Joy! Is it chilly under the veranda? May I join those who have gone there to hibernate until the election and the media's field day with the candidates is over? ;)
But Bill Clinton went on national TV and swore he did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. I'm sure plenty of people believed him too.
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Oh, but that was Kate Speak. He worded it carefully. He really didn't "have sex," she serviced him with her mouth (got down on her "Presidential knee pads" -- isn't that how she put it?), so he really wasn't lying about it, according to his definition of sex.
And some Americans were gullible enough, and naive enough, to believe him. Apparently in his mind, oral sex really wasn't sex because the relationship wasn't consummated by both parties.
CC, interesting point. Slang is actually quite varied. Depending on where you grew up or various cultural things, you'll have different preferred slang for private parts. I don't care what name Trump used; my reaction is the same. But some might be having more of a reaction to the vulgar language. It would sound really strange to hear a guy boast about that using correct anatomical terms. (Don't start me on how we've started calling everything below the waist the vagina.)
I have very mixed feelings about the Gosselin twins learning to drive. Lots of concerns. They could learn to drive like Kate which sounds very scary - too fast and feeling invincible. I wonder if it will make them even more like parents. Driving is one of the few things Kate does sometimes. I guess if the twins drive Kate could let them all go off without her. I worry that paps or fans could find the girls when they have no adult with them.
On the other side, driving is part of growing up and they deserve some normal life. Driving could result in more normal social behavior, seeing their friends. They could get away from Kate when she's impossible. I wonder what Steve says about all this.
Admin, There's a British version of Million Dollar Listing? Be still my heart! Do you know if it's available in the US? I'm hooked on the LA show.
Politics aside, can we just all agree that a 60 yr old man talking about hitting on a woman in her 20's or 30's is just gross?
Anyone here watching The Great British Baking Show on PBS?
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I loved that show! I use past tense because BBC recently lost the bidding war and the show is moving to a commercial network. Mary Berry and the two ladies who share hosting duties have resigned out of loyalty to the BBC. Even if it doesn't morph into a US type cutthroat competition, it will be different.
LOL, this guy's been on K8's Twitter TL several times in the last couple of months. I wonder if TLC calls him before they call their "talent." I must say, this sounds like the perfect gig for sweet lil Katie Irene.
Phil Kaczmarek @SuperPhil2 3h3 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 Kate! I Have a $$$ "Big Money" $$$ "Endorsement Deal" for You! > Zero Work & No Investment!!! > Please Call: 702-461-0677
Are alcoholic beverages served under the veranda, or is it BYOB?
jolie Jacquelyn said... 63
Anyone here watching The Great British Baking Show on PBS?
I mostly gave up on The Food Network because of all their competition shows, but this one is different. Here the contestants are helpful to each other. No yelling no belittling, just doing their best to win & if they don't, they seem happy for the one who does.
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I watched the show a couple of times and it was so refreshing to see how a cooking show could be. Food Network has become the DDD channel.
I liked Beat Bobby Flay, at first. But, after awhile you can tell that he is not going to get beat but once in a blue moon. When Bobby goes over and rings the bell for the end of the first round, I think the winner, when they win, should be able to go over to the bell and say, I came here today and I beat Bobby Flay and then let him or her RING THE BELL!
Ever notice that the judges ALWAYS has a good thing and a bad thing to say about each dish. And sometimes Bobby gets a bad review, he still wins! He has to cook something that is not in his wheelhouse, he still wins!
About 12 years ago, I had the biggest crush on Tyler Florence on
Food 911. Gosh, he was so young! He was an absolute doll and still is.
And! I love CHOPPED!
It is a crying shame almost every girl has some similar event like this. For a girl to grow up to 21 years old and NOT be touched, fondled, raped, molested, groped by someone would be miraculous.
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There's statistics on it. Lots of people have never been sexually assaulted in any manner, but they may be uncomfortable coming forward and saying so at the moment, for fearing of it somehow discounting or diminishing all the people this week who are been. Also for fear of being slammed by the left as lying. There is no doubt many women have nonetheless, and that's the part I don't understand. If you believe it is widespread, and the stats bear that out, and if this is a campaign issue for you, why on earth would anyone think that one candidate is preferable over the other on this issue? If Trump were running against Michelle Obama that might actually make sense, but Hillary is married to one of the biggest womanizers in politics, who not only has gone around the country harassing and having sex with handfuls of woman throughout his career, but raped a woman then had his wife threaten her not to tell. If this is a campaign issue for you, you're going to have to vote Johnson. It's downright hypocritical to say I'm with her, the biggest enabler of a womanizer in the history of politics. She's still married to him, that's all I need to know.
Only about 1 percent of women are raped per year. About 1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted in their lifetimes.
I would say probably bump those stats up a healthy bit for people who are uncomfortable admitting it, but even you double or triple them, that still leaves lots and lots of women who have fortunately not been through that. What does Hillary say about herself, has she ever been raped or assaulted or harassed?
GollyGee (#81), count me among those who thinks Tyler Florence is dreamy! I also have a bit of a thing for Jamie Oliver. I think his accent is adorable, even with his little speech impediment.
He had an interesting reality show a few years ago: "Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution," which Ryan Seacrest produced.
Lots of woman stay married to men who cheat. Ivana, Marla and Melania are therefore enablers too. So was Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson. They knew but choose to stay. Hillary is not unique.
Anyone here watching The Great British Baking Show on PBS?
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I loved that show! I use past tense because BBC recently lost the bidding war and the show is moving to a commercial network. Mary Berry and the two ladies who share hosting duties have resigned out of loyalty to the BBC. Even if it doesn't morph into a US type cutthroat competition, it will be different.
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Yes, the show is moving after 7 years at the BBC. Only Paul Hollywood (its that his real name?) is going with it while the 3 ladies are remaining to star in a new BBC show. Too bad, they all worked so well together.
I also like Tyler Florence & Jamie Oliver. Bobby Flay is far too full of himself !
There was a very interesting Op-Ed by Robin Mather in the Oct. 14 Los Angeles Times entitled: "For survivors of sexual abuse, the presidential campaign is a giant trigger."
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About 12 years ago, I had the biggest crush on Tyler Florence on
Food 911. Gosh, he was so young! He was an absolute doll and still is.
And! I love CHOPPED!
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Me too!
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Ah, yes, the Sara Snow episode. That was the one where Jon and Kate were discussing the comment SS made--that there was a lot of love in the G house. Jon said "That's true, there IS a lot of love in this house", and then Kate just reached over and slapped him. Unbelievable.
HCI must love the fact that Kate has done virtually nothing to promote her cookbook after her 2-week tour in fall 2013 was over. On Amazon she's sold fewer than 200 copies (both hard and Kindle) so far this year. If they really did print 50K copies, all I can say is, what a freakin waste.
Lots of woman stay married to men who cheat. Ivana, Marla and Melania are therefore enablers too. So was Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson. They knew but choose to stay. Hillary is not unique.
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Absolutely, I never said otherwise. The point being, if we're going to impose a strict no tolerance policy on Trump the same must be given for all, and that includes women who condone and permit such behavior by staying in the relationship (and in hillary's case, helping to silence the scandals).
Several other people have made the point that if you are one of the 80 million who bought 50 Shades of Grey, you really shouldn't talk.
I heard The Apprentice woman's story today and it was awfully interesting the way she kept calling and meeting up with Trump then later complains he hits on her. At some point there's some mixed messages being sent there. If you don't like the advances the first stop is to stop engaging with him.
Anonymous said... 87
Thanks for the link. Good article.
This sure describe where I am in this election charade:
"There's a constituency that has watched this year's presidential campaign unfold with more horror than disbelief."
TLC stinks said... 85
Lots of woman stay married to men who cheat. Ivana, Marla and Melania are therefore enablers too. So was Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson. They knew but choose to stay. Hillary is not unique.
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Camille Cosby.
I feel for all the students in Civic classes who are being exposed to and studying the details in this election campaign especially those who are experiencing their first election.
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Lol sorry milo but i find the political talk more entertaining then Kate. Fired Up 4 Kate
@MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 I'm so tired of all the political media! We need a fun, sweet family distraction aka #KatePlus8 #NewEpisodes #ComeAsap! @TLC
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I feel for all the students in Civic classes who are being exposed to and studying the details in this election campaign especially those who are experiencing their first election.
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Our civics class was "Problems of Democracy," which wasn't all that thrilling. I wish we had an election like this one. It would have been so interesting to study, watch, and examine all the goings-on in this campaign.
Lots of woman stay married to men who cheat. Ivana, Marla and Melania are therefore enablers too. So was Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson. They knew but choose to stay. Hillary is not unique.
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As well as Florence Harding, Lucretia Garfield, Eleanor Roosevelt, Mamie Eisenhower, and the list goes on and on. They stood by their men, and heck, some of them even had affairs of their own with both men and women. Their President husbands looked the other way.
That said, though, Bill Clinton had Paula, Gennifer, and who knows how many others. While we don't know the reason Mrs. Clinton stuck by him, I would venture to say that she was grooming herself for the Presidency the whole time, and a divorce just wouldn't have looked good.
Going back to the veranda. It's a bit chilly there. I need a jacket as well as the keg.
Going
Sad (90): "On Amazon she's sold fewer than 200 copies (both hard and Kindle) so far this year. If they really did print 50K copies, all I can say is, what a freakin waste."
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If you check Milo's garage, you may find a plethora of boxes from Amazon.
Also for fear of being slammed by the left as lying.
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I was with you up until you made it political. Not being raped or assaulted has nothing to do with politics. It's human rights. Putting "the left" in there as if the biggest things women have to fear is those scary liberals only turns a smart discussion about a real problem into more faction fighting.
TLC stinks said... 85
Lots of woman stay married to men who cheat. Ivana, Marla and Melania are therefore enablers too. So was Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson. They knew but choose to stay. Hillary is not unique.
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Dottie Sandusky.
I was with you up until you made it political. Not being raped or assaulted has nothing to do with politics. It's human rights. Putting "the left" in there as if the biggest things women have to fear is those scary liberals only turns a smart discussion about a real problem into more faction fighting.
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Kind of like how Hillary called Trump supporters deplorable?
There's nothing wrong with identifying a group of people as the left or right. That's not a demeaning term, like deplorable. And I stand by my comment that if many women were to say I don't have issues with piggish men and don't have a horrifying story to share, they would be accused of lying or at least quietly not believed.
The hundreds of thousands of women out there who haven't had problems with assault and don't engage in returning the phone calls of creepy men then later complain they hit on them, have been extremely sensitive to all the women coming forward saying they have had issues with this and sharing their stories. It would be rude and insensitive when people are talking about things that can be very difficult to speak of. When someone says I was raped and here's what happened, you don't stand up and say oh that's interesting, incidentally, I've never been raped!
Not good-hearted people, anyway.
jamezvader1194 said... 95
Lol sorry milo but i find the political talk more entertaining then Kate. Fired Up 4 Kate
@MiloandJack
@Kateplusmy8 I'm so tired of all the political media! We need a fun, sweet family distraction aka #KatePlus8 #NewEpisodes #ComeAsap! @TLC
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My goodness. This tweet is so sugary sweet it would kill over a diabetic.
Vomit inducing. Is TFW NOT EMBARRASSED by this?
Here is a recipe to cook a pizza in a crock pot.
https://cooktopcove.com/2016/04/05/pizza-recipe-uses-slow-cooker-to-get-hot-and-crispy-crust/
Here is a lady who makes cooking videos and she is pretty funny. Average Betty on youtube.
She makes lasagna and pizza in the crock pot.
GollyGee said... 8
To all of the shoebox packers of Operation Christmas Child.
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We have that over here too!! I strongly recommend to whoever can do it, make a box! You won't believe the joy and satisfaction you get out of giving a bit of joy to a child on Christmas.
I don't know what the age target is(in our country it's 2-16 years) but please, I know it's cute to make boxes for the smaller kids, please make a box for an older kid too! They are often overlooked.
I am making three boxes this year because I slowly bought stuff starting in early January. Otherwise I couldn't afford to make 3 of them and the stuff wouldn't be so nice. I also recommend this strategy. I know people manage to make 6-7 boxes with this strategy.
I know nobody asked for my opinion, but I couldn't help it when I saw the word shoebox.
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NO!! Thank YOU! Anytime is the right time to talk about the Operation Christmas Child shoeboxes!
You are so right about the older kids. I am making 3 boxes this time and they are going to be for the older kids.
I bought a very nice coloring book and I am going to run off copies of a couple of pages and staple them together to make a coloring book.
It is a shame that TFW wouldn't do something like this. But, that is how she rolls. Instead of the circus birthday party and dressing up like an clown, she could of had friends of the kids come and had a packing party.
What am I thinking? It wouldn't be about HER.
Our church started Operation Shoebox this morning. They're shooting for 700 boxes this year at my church. They had a short video showing children receiving boxes in Namibia and an interview with a now grown man saying what it meant to him to receive a box as a child. Kate could afford to have each of her children pick out things and make a box. For an extra couple bucks you get a code to track where your box traveled. It's a good way to teach your children compassion for those born in less fortunate circumstances. It's sad that the G kids don't get any of the church experience that Kate said was so important.
(I know not everyone here is religious and not all agree with the church experience. Kate was the one who went from church to church saying how important God was to her.)
It is a shame that TFW wouldn't do something like this. But, that is how she rolls.
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There are 8 kids. If she had each kid make one shoebox and she made one, that would be 9 boxes in one go and she would be teaching her kids about sharing and how not everyone is priviledged. But you're right, it's not how she rolls. Unless TLC offers to pay her to be in an episode where they do that, it's never going to happen.
There's statistics on it. Lots of people have never been sexually assaulted in any manner, but they may be uncomfortable coming forward and saying so at the moment, for fearing of it somehow discounting or diminishing all the people this week who are been. Also for fear of being slammed by the left as lying.
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That is a slur on the left. Stating that people, even though we are talking about women as male rape is a whole other ballgame, who haven't ever been sexually assaulted fear saying so because of the left. It's a huge generalization and reflects more your opinions than any actual fact or reality. What's next? These poor unraped people are being persecuted and will need their own safe places? Support groups? News network?
Jeanne, RoxyHelen, thank you.
The potential she had to educate to her huge fan base in the early years about the OCC boxes was huge. Even when they were toddlers, they could of packed boxes. I mean, each child could just put a stuffed animal or toys in one.
The first year she could of done her first 8, because she loves that number so much.
The next year, she could of had a goal from the fans of 80.
The next year, from the fans a goal of 800. Instead of having that circus from hades, have a packing party. She could of had a line of cars dropping off donations of toys, school supplies, washcloths, bars of soap.
Then when the kids got older, they could of filmed at a packing center. The goal of her fans could of been 8,000.
Just think, she lost out on having 4 episodes and 4 paychecks. But what is even sadder, the big loss is the children. Children that have never, ever been given a gift.
The videos are tearjerkers and very moving. They motivate you to make you want to make more boxes because these children are so precious and the smiles of JOY on their faces says it all!
This is so rewarding!
Politics aside, can we just all agree that a 60 yr old man talking about hitting on a woman in her 20's or 30's is just gross?
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What is an acceptable age for a man to hit on a 30-year-old woman? 35? 40? 50?
I would think that if advances are unwanted, the age of the man really doesn't matter. No means no, regardless of age.
kyle orrell @TheHeDevil 2h2 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 needs to come back to twitter cause she's the sweetest, most lovely human being alive!
It sounds like this one has had way too much rumspringa and needs to sleep it off!
I would think that if advances are unwanted, the age of the man really doesn't matter. No means no, regardless of age.
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And what if the 20 or 30 something consents to the 60 year old? What if they like the advances? Is the 60 year old supposed to say, well they really don't mean it and so I'm harassing her and must stop?
The Monica Lewinsky thing was unique because she was his INTERN. Virtually any employee handbook out there prohibits such an relationship because of the obvious conflict of interest. But a young and/or beautiful woman and a rich but possibly older and/or gross man and there is no obvious imbalance otherwise, like she was his intern, or his current employee? It's up to her if she wants to return her phone calls, come over to his house, and respond to his flirting. It's a free country and she can walk away too and not return calls, too. The Apprentice contestant was not his intern and wasn't his employee anymore, and kept responding back when he reached out to her. Sigh.
I'm actually really glad I'm a woman these days. If I were a man I'd be having any woman I'm interested in sign a contract that they consent before I so much as reach for their hand.
Several other people have made the point that if you are one of the 80 million who bought 50 Shades of Grey, you really shouldn't talk.
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That was a work of fiction. It's like saying you love Game of Thrones so I condone beheadings.
I agree with you. I agree with everything you said.
But then that goes against your "consent" argument. You said you can't give consent if there's an extreme imbalance of power.
Then you agreed the "can't give consent" would apply to Trump, as well as to Bill Clinton.
So your above statements seem contradictory to me. Can you explain how it's not a contradiction?
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Several other people have made the point that if you are one of the 80 million who bought 50 Shades of Grey, you really shouldn't talk.
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That was a work of fiction. It's like saying you love Game of Thrones so I condone beheadings.
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50 Shades of Grey depicted a very abusive relationship in a positive light, and millions of women for some damn reason enjoyed seeing that. I threw that book in the trash halfway through and almost threw up, and I NEVER stop reading books to completion. If you read 50 Shades of Grey and enjoyed it, then in many respects enjoyed the sexual vulgarity and abuse and suppression of women, which is almost 99% of the book. To then turn around and say other people shouldn't be vulgar, is hypocritical. Either you yourself refrain from participating in vulgarity including reading sex books, or you shush up about others who do. It was a great point.
That book was very, very different than the occasional sex scene or the occasional death (Game of Thrones), which are not central to the story, but pieces of a much bigger and appropriate story. In addition, abusive sex and death are portrayed in very NEGATIVE lights, for instance King Geoffrey being known as a very EVIL person in part because he was sexually abusive. Whereas, Christian was a hero in 50 Shades. Most people don't watch programs like Game because they are getting off on a sporadic death or a sex scene. They watch for the overall incredible story. Whereas with 50 Shades since that was the ONLY thing in the book with hardly any plot, it's hard to argue you were getting off on Anastasia's shopping trip, before she was raped by a tampon. No, you got off on the tampon.
CC said... 41
Admin,
I have no personal agenda towards Trump. I'm not bashing him in defense of Clintons. This isn't about "politics." Yes it involves politicians and it came up because of the debate etc but at this point I don't feel strongly toward either side, politically, morally or otherwise.
My issue wasn't Trump claiming he got consent. I don't even know what video you're talking about. Because I don't care what his excuses or defenses are.
I HEARD him say that he can grab a woman by her P if he wants because he's a celebrity. He can do "anything" he wants to women. ANYTHING. That doesn't imply consent.
I agree that Bill took advantage of Monica. But the "consent" argument was yours, not mine. I said she gave consent and you said she can't. Fine. I'll give you that. But then you argue that Trump's defense is his "victims" gave consent.
But apparently Trump himself claims in the Billy Bush video that he doesn't give the women time to even consent. He just goes for it. So this isn't even about consent.
Trumps comments in the video are not about two people willingly partaking in sexual acts, even though they legally or morally couldn't give consent.
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Well said.
I cannot believe where this blog is going and has been going for some time. We've assumed all sorts of horrid things about tfw from just intuition, from what our guts have been telling us. We've decoded the katespeak for years here. We've all (or most of us)come to the conclusion that she is malignant narcissist, a sociopath. Trump is a TEXTBOOK NARCISSISTIC PREDATOR. If it walks like a duck...and THIS is who some are actually defending and giving the benefit of the doubt??? We've commented about tfw losing her children, facing charges, needing meds, psychiatric help but people are wanting this monster to become the next president???
I'm done here too
But then that goes against your "consent" argument. You said you can't give consent if there's an extreme imbalance of power.
Then you agreed the "can't give consent" would apply to Trump, as well as to Bill Clinton.
So your above statements seem contradictory to me. Can you explain how it's not a contradiction?
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I don't believe a 60 year and a 30 year old is an "extreme" imbalance of power. Nor is a rich guy and a woman "extreme." An INTERN and the president is extreme, no matter how much you slice it, and America said so.
It's perfectly reasonable to have an employee handbook that says no sex with the interns. But please show me an employee handbook that says no sex with 30 year olds, but only if you are 60 plus. Or no sex with anyone if you make three times their income. Please, this is a free country. If you like old rich dudes, go for it. If they like young beautiful women, go for it. Do you really want to live in a nanny state that starts dictating what income and adult ages you can have sex??? Do you understand the difference? There is no "conflict of interest" there. There is a SERIOUS conflict of interest when you proposition your INTERN. SERIOUS.
Vanessa, some people think Hillary is a *monster* for very, very similar reasons, and are very, very scared about her being elected. What's odd is when people can't accept that both sides have their fears, both are real fears, with strong evidence behind both arguments. In other words, both candidates are scary to millions of people. No reason for hurt feelings over it. Your fears are your fears and it seems to depend on who scares you more. I'm much more scared by someone who has actually been in charge of important aspects of our government and had an opportunity to make some horrific mistakes. Other people are more scared ofr the country because someone groped someone else. To each his own, no cause for splitting. I have friends on both sides.
Somebody's working overtime on image enhancement. And who'd a thunk it would be a furry friend that would bring out her "softer side." As if. On IG
kateplusmy8 Somebody has 'graduated' from her dog bed of the same color to my chaise lounge at the bottom of my bed. I've stopped fighting her on it. To my own surprise, I've given in. This round of 'kids' has revealed my softer than ever side! ❤️❤️ #Nanuq #Mak
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miloandjack2016 When you get to love your dogs as much as you & I do...it sort if becomes #What IsMineIsTheirs. LOL. Always knew you were a #Softie. ❤ @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 Your next thing to consider...a weekend trip to a cabin or resort that ALLOWS PETS! Our dogs go w/us and vacays are so much more fun w/them! What do you think? @kateplusmy8 Could you envision that?
"Fighting her on it"? Weren't you claiming a few short weeks ago that you welcomed her into your bed and were sad when she shunned it? But you were "fighting" her about sleeping on your chaise (of the same color as her dog bed, lol)? Something doesn't add up here. As usual. And it's a chaise longue, you pseudo-sophisticate, not lounge.
And oh yes Milo! I'm sure Kate is just dying to take all 3 of her #FurryKids on her next bikini vacay, that sounds like so much fun. #WhatADolt.
miloandjack2016 Your next thing to consider...a weekend trip to a cabin or resort that ALLOWS PETS! Our dogs go w/us and vacays are so much more fun w/them! What do you think? @kateplusmy8 Could you envision that?
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Why do I feel like Milo is hinting at a group vacation with her family and the Gosselins? Of course she would never go, but I think she just wants to hear that Kate would like that.
I hope the kids get turns having the puppies sleep in their rooms and beds.
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I hope the kids get turns having the puppies sleep in their rooms and beds.
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I'm sure #Mak is up for grabs. But #NookiePookie? Oh no, she's strictly Mommy's. Look, they have the same coloring and everything. The dog looks more like Kate's current incarnation than any of her kids do---hence, the #perfectaccessory.
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Vanessa, some people think Hillary is a *monster* for very, very similar reasons, and are very, very scared about her being elected. What's odd is when people can't accept that both sides have their fears, both are real fears, with strong evidence behind both arguments. In other words, both candidates are scary to millions of people. No reason for hurt feelings over it.
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Really? You're being serious? Both are monsters for similar reasons?
And no "hurt" feelings, I'm a big girl just kind of smh
I'm sure #Mak is up for grabs. But #NookiePookie? Oh no, she's strictly Mommy's. Look, they have the same coloring and everything. The dog looks more like Kate's current incarnation than any of her kids do---hence, the #perfectaccessory.
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Don't forget...Mak is a boy. Kate has a dislike for males.
Really? You're being serious? Both are monsters for similar reasons?
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She threatened Broaddrick, a rape victim at her own husband at that, to not tell. Yes I consider that in the same league, and am astonished it's being poo pooed. People want to have it both ways. It doesn't work that way.
Look who's all chatty at 10:30 on a Sunday night. What about that 5:30 wake-up call? Nanny driving instead?
dagamg0107 Imagine what a softy you'll be when you have grandkids. 😃
barbgilmer1 You've always been a softy IMO @kateplusmy8 it was a brick wall that had to be chipped at slowly that's all! #parentsurvivalmode
nick_moy I think you choose to show your softer side because the kids are growing up and they can do more for themselves and occasionally help you out.. The stress must have become a little lighter. You deserve some relaxation and do what ever you feel like doing. You are doing a great job...
nick_moy Is it not a wonderful life just to lay down anywhere and anytime you want and take a little snooze.. 😎😎😴😴
miloandjack2016 When you get to love your dogs as much as you & I do...it sort if becomes #What IsMineIsTheirs. LOL. Always knew you were a #Softie. ❤ @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 Your next thing to consider...a weekend trip to a cabin or resort that ALLOWS PETS! Our dogs go w/us and vacays are so much more fun w/them! What do you think? @kateplusmy8 Could you envision that?
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kateplusmy8 Been there, done that.. Just watch and see :) #KatePlus8 coming soon😉 @miloandjack2016 [she must be talking about taking the dogs on vacation]
kateplusmy8 Yes! I always say to my kids 'don't dogs have the good life?' No homework no chores no stress. Just constant pampering... Ahhh! @nick_moy
kateplusmy8 Hmm very accurate assessment! I agree! @barbgilmer1
kateplusmy8 It's really going to be FUN! Anything will go and it'll ALL BE ALLOWED! Lol! @dagamg0107
Sounds like she's really planning to let loose next season. Too bad Collin won't benefit from her "new" attitude.
50 Shades is a bad, bad book from women's progress, yet 80 million bought it and it seems most are not seeing the irony:
"50 Shades of Grey not only fails to remotely subvert these typical standards, it presents them in the most excessive way possible by making the man so overtly obsessed with avoiding love and demanding sexual and emotional domination of the woman, and making her fall in love with him regardless of how emotionally distant and abusive he becomes. This is a classic, by-the-book description of a codependent relationship with an abusive partner. Except it’s portrayed as titillating, as a romance story, and Christian is portrayed as a brooding damaged abuser whose heart is warming and he just needs another chance and for Anastasia to try harder to understand him."
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2015/02/13/review-fifty-shades-of-grey-is-abusive-gender-roles-disguised-as-faux-feminism/3/#5d7891644501
Do you really want to live in a nanny state that starts dictating what income and adult ages you can have sex??? Do you understand the difference? There is no "conflict of interest" there. There is a SERIOUS conflict of interest when you proposition your INTERN. SERIOUS.
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I think that Monica was just a young gal who was flattered that the most powerful person in the Free World took an interest in her when he could have had anyone, and he chose her. She was infatuated. What a feeling of importance that must have been for her to know that she was his chosen. He was not an unattractive man. The ego of many a young gal would have been inflated if the POTUS had taken an interest in them.
It's not that much different than a high school kid having a crush on a much-loved and attractive teacher, and that teacher reciprocated with flirting with the student. I wondered at the time what would have happened if Clinton would have been a homely, aging, bald President in his 70s. Would she have just laughed and walked away in disgust?
Wow.
TLC Entertainment
@TLC_Africa
Ooh la la 😍 @Kateplusmy8's going on a blind date in the Big 🍎 with a helicopter ride (OMG)! #KatePlus8 tonight at 8pm.
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So funny that they show her in foreign tv markets but hasn't been on in the states in a year now? The reason why is that they want to make some kind of money.
Is she in some kind of denial? Why hasn't TLC said anything about when the show will be aired?
Looks like her sugar daddy has cut her off, here at least.
Bullshit. Broaddrick's description of the so-called threat is totally her interpretation of innocuous words.
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Innocuous my ass. Did you even read what she said to her? Why even talk to her at all??? The double standards in that statement are astounding. All sexual assaults are how you perceive it, otherwise, it's consensual sex! Broaddrick perceived quite clearly she was being threatened. Who are you to second guess her? (Stolen from the words of those who hate Trumps and refuse to second guess his victims no matter how outrageous their stories) We can only read WHAT Hilary said, we were not there as Broaddrick was to observe tone, demeanor, and other indications. But, you want to second guess her first hand perceptions of a threat, yet DON'T want anyone to second guess the intentions of Trump's women, many of whom gave him very mixed messages they were consenting to him. Damn it, I believe her. She was threatened to shut up. But whenever Hillary does it, the women are not to be believed as it was really not how they clearly perceived it to be. Right. Do you hear yourself? Can we all just agree they have BOTH been horrible to women? It's astounding to me we can't agree that to be the case. Rose colored glasses at their finest. (This is not directed to those who accept the truth about that woman and her role in all those assaults, but still like her otherwise)
As for an intern, what if it was an intern at one of Trump's companies and Trump made a move on her? Or went in for that kiss that he himself claims he doesn't "even wait"? Or "grabbed her P"?
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Well, then that would be unacceptable and an HR violation. But there is no evidence he ever did that to an intern or even a current employee, so what is the point of such a what if?
This goes back to very basic HR. Because someone is in direct control of your job, which has a very high value, you are not allowed to have sex with them, because the potential for them to hold your job against you, or for you to FEEL like you have to do this for your job, is just far too high.
To extend that to all other forms of potential "imbalance" in relationships would be absurd and goes down a very speculative road, which is almost always a bad thing. All relationships are imbalanced in some form. My other half and I are 12 years apart. One of us has a lot more life and career experience than the other, and sometimes in that respect it does feel a bit unbalanced, with both parties sometimes not feeling equal because they are so much younger or older. But it doesn't mean it automatically creates a dysfunctional relationship, or that other aspects of us don't balance out the imbalance. Relationships can be imbalanced financially, age wise, career wise, even culturally. To start saying that such imbalances in a relationship is so inappropriate that Trump never should have taken up with them, I simply cannot buy into. I draw the line at people like a supervisor or boss taking up with an employee or intern, current. Because in that case, I don't think it's speculative, I think it's an almost certainty there is a huge potential for feeling obligated to the relationship in a way that removes free thinking consent. THAT is where the line must be drawn.
But, in most other contexts, if we are truly for women's lib, we have to trust women to make the right choices in their sex lives, even if an imbalance sometimes occurs. If the woman is comfortable with it, and the only reason you're against it is because you are simply speculating about a bunch of what ifs she might feel, then I think she should be let alone.
I still don't understand how you can say there's no imbalance in power there.
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I said it wasn't "extreme". Of course there's an imbalance
As I just wrote above, almost all relationships have imbalances. Unless you want to date your twin sister.
So now we are talking about actual relationships??
I think we are talking about two different circumstances.
How did we go from an "extreme imbalance in power" to basic imbalances in relationships?
Donald Trump grabbing a woman's P is not an actual relationship.
As far as Trumps money and power I'd say it's an extreme imbalance in the scenarios I gave.
Same with Hillary and Bill.
I lump them all together. Same, same, same.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/10/14/why-we-trust-donald-trumps-accusers-but-didnt-believe-bill-clintons/
Even the Washington Post (or at least a guest columnist they were happy to publish) admits that Trump and Clinton's accusers should be treated one in the same, and that if Bill Clintons scandals had come out today in 2016, he wouldn't be electable. Finally some media with some sense.
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Even the Washington Post (or at least a guest columnist they were happy to publish) admits that Trump and Clinton's accusers should be treated one in the same, and that if Bill Clintons scandals had come out today in 2016, he wouldn't be electable. Finally some media with some sense.
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I agree with that. Bill would not be electable.
So Trump shouldn't be electable now either.
Neither should Hillary.
We have about 3 weeks. I think we should start over.
I meant we have 3 weeks until Election Day. We should start all over again with new nominees.
Any suggestions?
Hmmmm. Jon Gosselin?
Kate Gosselin?
I'm the one who said it was gross that Trump was hitting on these women. Why? Because he is a lecherous old man, who was married to his 3rd wife for only a few months when this was taped. It goes to character, and people reveal who they are when they are in a relaxed situation.
Vanessa - I agree with you 100%. We have discussed Kate here for years, and have said where there is smoke there is fire. I don't want to get into semantics about consent, emails, bankruptcies,etc, etc, etc.
I just can't believe that people would support someone that has said so many hateful and racist things about many people. I can't believe that this is who people want to make the face of your country.
I don't know - maybe I'm too naive in my northern cocoon. I don't think this is who Americans are.
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Jeanne, RoxyHelen, thank you.
The potential she had to educate to her huge fan base in the early years about the OCC boxes was huge. Even when they were toddlers, they could of packed boxes. I mean, each child could just put a stuffed animal or toys in one.
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I really have to say this: in my country, Shoebox started with a TWO YEAR OLD KID(well probably almost 3). His parents were sick of all his: "Want, want want" around Christmas time and they said: "Hey, you know what? How about some give, give, give? Why don't we pick some of your toys, since you're drawning in so many and give to a kid, who unlike you, has never seen so much as a gift". Next year a couple of family friends did it and now, many years later, it's a nation wide thing.
So there goes Kate's myth that when they are so young, kids have no clue anyways. I mean, she tried to convince us her 4 year olds wouldn't remember a cupcake the next day, you better believe she never thought her 2yo were capable of understanding much.
50 Shades of Grey depicted a very abusive relationship in a positive light, and millions of women for some damn reason enjoyed seeing that.
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For years before 50 shades of stupid came oiut, I said the exact same thing about the Twilight Saga. Teaching an entire generation of teenage girls that stocking and co*dependency and control are romantic and signs of a good relationship. I was met with "Oh you're being dramatic, it's up to the parents to educate the kids" for the most part. At 16 a kid will think anyone's advice is better than their parents' and when you go and write a book that glorifies emotional abuse and are happy so many 16 yo are readng it...makes me wonder what kind of person Stephanie Meyer is. She has kids too, right? Any daughters? Has she told them guys behaving like Edward are ok as long as they are good looking and rich?
For years before 50 shades of stupid came oiut, I said the exact same thing about the Twilight Saga. Teaching an entire generation of teenage girls that stocking and co*dependency and control are romantic and signs of a good relationship.
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Good point. And then people sit there and wonder why our country's women have issues with sexual assault and abuse.
We can start there. As long as we continue to glorify it, it's hypocritical to turn around and condemn it when it suits your voting needs.
And, it's unfair to our men, who are receiving very confusing messages.
Admin, I understand the point about Twilight and stalking, control, and co-dependency can possibly confuse young men. Although I think it might be more confusing for young girls because they are the ones that watch Twilight. The young girls might come to accept that in relationships but I think saying young men might learn that behavior from Twilight is a stretch. But maybe so.
But then you lump sexual assault in with it. What does that have to do with sexual assault? There was no sexual assault in the movie. I didn't read the books so I can't say.
But to go from an unhealthy relationship to sexual assault from someone you're not in a "relationship" with is quite a jump.
Oh, so sorry I missed this Heidi's comment:
miloandjack2016Please @kateplusmy8 show this heidi_fleiss person the door! Sneaks in here under cover of darkness to leave such negative & untrue vile comments! I already reported this person for abusive talk to #IG!
And there's yet another Nanuq photo this a.m.:
kateplusmy8Nanuq's new trick... She does it a million times in a row! #CatchesBalls Meanwhile, Mak is on leash walks only for a sprained paw from all the rough housing! It's breaking our hearts!:(
"Breaking our hearts"? When did everyone over there start developing such soft hearts? When Kate/TLC told them to?
I would hope most foreigners are smart enough to realize that neither candidate is a reflection of the average American's values.
A couple rich people and in many cases corrupt womanizers rose to the top, and those are our choices and you have to get behind one or the other or sit out this one or waste your vote. For many people, sitting out is just not an option. Those two have nothing to do with how the average America lives day to day. I don't judge other countries' people based on their governments. There are some bad leaders out there, but it doesn't mean all the people in the country are bad. Conversely, an excellent leader doesn't mean all the people in the country are good either.
I also think that electing a president that has been accused of sexual assault or covering up sexual assault, is far more damaging to the young men (and women) of this country.
To complain about a book or a movie that glorifies these things and then support and defend a presidential nominee that does these things is far worse.
Seems to me that having someone like that for president will only allow young men to get away with sexual assault. I mean, now they know the "President" is all for grabbing a woman by the P and there's nothing she can do about it.
Or a president threatening someone who wants to go public or report someone for sexual assault.
Or a president that cheats on his wife, or a president that covers up her husband cheating on her.
I think the young men of this world will learn a lot more from that than from a teen girl's book/movie.
The book or movie might be sending the wrong messages, but the President of the United States, or Presidential nominee shouldn't endorse those messages.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3603771/kate-gosselin-rumors-another-season-of-kate-plus-8-confirmed/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+google%2FyDYq+%28The+Inquisitr+-+News%29
What "press rounds"? AFAIK, People was the only rag to waste a "new" story on her, everyone has has been posting recycled material since the boyfriend-dumped-her stories.
Actually there was an instance of "sexual assault" in Twilight. But it wasn't glorified.
When the girl is being assaulted by some boys her vampire friend comes to her rescue.
If you're going to use this particular movie to show young men and women a lesson about sexual assault acceptance, I think this movie would be an example that sexual assault is not okay.
What I don't really hear people discussing much is how those two ended up being our only choices.
Americans need to be honest with themselves about why it is we can't get someone honest and true with solid conservative and liberal ideas to run. Why can't we get great people like Powell, Rice, or Michelle Obama to run? What does that say about the state of the presidency and what it's become?
As far as someone being in a relationship or not when abuse occurs, I don't think that much matters--I think the general point is that the mixed message is being sent that many women like abusive or otherwise inappropriate advances, as reflected by their choices in literature and other pop culture offerings. It's confusing, to both genders actually, and it's time women who participate in that aspect of pop culture own that aspect of his mess.
I also think that electing a president that has been accused of sexual assault or covering up sexual assault, is far more damaging to the young men (and women) of this country.
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Agree, and since they both have, what's the alternative? If you believe voting for a third party candidate is a throw-away vote, which I do, those two are are ONLY choices. Don't be mad at voters for supporting one or the other if those are are only options. If people who intend to vote for one or the other are being honest with themselves, they simply cannot vote based on who is good to women, since both have been horrid to women. They have to let that issue go as a wash, a "tie." Anything else is splitting hairs. The CSI society gets all revved up because there are tapes of one, but the other has handfuls of first-hand accounts and witnesses to back it up--and the other is being awfully darn quiet about this issue, which says a lot about themselves. Both have been proven to suppress women as far as I'm concerned, and both know it.
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Don't be mad at voters for supporting one or the other if those are are only options.
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There's a difference between supporting one over the other based on their politics and what you think they have to offer our country.
It's another to defend, or make excuses for, their sexual misconduct.
To defend one of them over the other for their sexual misconduct is what I have a problem with.
If I say it's disgusting what Trump did, the reply I would like to hear is "I know!" Or "I agree!" Not "Well Hillary and/or Bill did such and such."
I specifically mentioned Trump because of the audio in the Billy Bush video. I condemned Billy Bush too. He's not running for president.
I don't have an agenda when it comes to bashing Trump. I didn't mention what he did because I think it makes him worse than Hillary or Bill.
But it seems that you can't find something that someone from one party did without hearing "well the other party did this."
Why can't people say "Yeah it's disgusting. They both are disgusting. So I'm not going to defend or explain away what either of them did."
Like I said this wasn't about "politics" for me. It's not about one party being better than the other when it comes to this particular subject.
But then you lump sexual assault in with it. What does that have to do with sexual assault? There was no sexual assault in the movie. I didn't read the books so I can't say.
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In book #3, a dude named Jacob kisses Bella against her will, Bella slaps him and breaks her hand,and when she gets home Bella's dad asks what happened and basically laughs and says "atta boy Jacob".
How I see the connexion with abuse: young girls are more likely to accept abuse and keep quiet because, influenced by books like Twilight, they think it's normal and healthy to have a controlling boyfriend. Basically these tweens/teenagers become easier pray for abusive guys. That's just how I see it.
Saying Twilight is the lesser evil and why focus on that is wrong, in my opinion. We have to start somewhere, why not start by not applauding books that promote unhealthy relationship? Because that's what Twilight and 50 Shades(allegedly, I don't know that much about that trillogy but I take everyone's word for it, plus I read the synopsis) are doing: presenting abusive behaviour in a romantic light. Little things add up to big things. I'm sorry I don't have the time to write a better comment.
RoxyHelen,
Good point. Thanks
I would say though that Twilight is the lesser of the two evils. I just think that's where the young WOMEN might start to think that behavior is acceptable. Although I do think the fact that she punched him when he did it does give the message that it's not okay and that young girls shouldn't just accept it.
I would say that having Presidents that themselves practice sexual misconduct and sexual assault just endorses that behavior at an even greater level for young women to accept it, but that's where the young MEN will be more prone to learn that behavior is acceptable.
As for the message that Trump supporters give young women, I think more about the pic that went viral if a woman wearing a shirt that states "Trump Can Grab My P."
I would say though that Twilight is the lesser of the two evils.
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Yes, I reread my message and I realised it sounds as if I'm saying Twilight isn't the lesser evil but of course I agree about that.
I really have to say this: in my country, Shoebox started with a TWO YEAR OLD KID(well probably almost 3). His parents were sick of all his: "Want, want want" around Christmas time and they said: "Hey, you know what? How about some give, give, give? Why don't we pick some of your toys, since you're drawning in so many and give to a kid, who unlike you, has never seen so much as a gift". Next year a couple of family friends did it and now, many years later, it's a nation wide thing.
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That is so heartwarming. We can only hope that the Gosselin kids will come to realize how much they've been spoiled and will grow up into adults who value giving back.
That would be a great legacy of the show.
RoxyHelen,
Oops. I meant to type I WOULD'T say that Twilight is the lesser of the two evils. Just two different kinds I guess. It's not any LESS evil, but it is at a different level.
Not sure how to express what I'm trying to say about it. Maybe that it's the beginning level, and what Trump and Bill and Hillary are doing and have done is taking it to the next level.
So yes, stop it before it begins. But don't keep allowing people in positions of power to champion such behavior.
We can teach young people in literature and media that it's not how you treat women, or allow yourself to be treated. But then electing these men and women into positions of power, and supporting them when they showcase that behavior just negates it.
For years before 50 shades of stupid came oiut, I said the exact same thing about the Twilight Saga. Teaching an entire generation of teenage girls that stocking and co*dependency and control are romantic and signs of a good relationship. I was met with "Oh you're being dramatic, it's up to the parents to educate the kids" for the most part
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I agree about the Twighlight saga. It's a great fantasy story that capitalized on the whole vampire theme, but becoming one of the undead for your boyfriend is not romantic at all, imo.
Tweens love the drama.
I never read 50 Shades, but caught the movie on cable. It. was. so. bad!
I get that they didn't show all of what was in the book, but I was so embarrassed for the actors portraying these really stupid, silly and utterly ridiculous people. It was not sexy at all to me. I cringed and don't think I made it to the end.
Is there a sequel?
I can't even...
RoxyHelen,
That's funny. I just corrected what I meant and you corrected yours. Either way, I think we agree. Twilight sends a wrong message.
And there's yet another Nanuq photo this a.m.:
kateplusmy8Nanuq's new trick... She does it a million times in a row! #CatchesBalls Meanwhile, Mak is on leash walks only for a sprained paw from all the rough housing! It's breaking our hearts!:(
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As usual, the hyperbole played for sympathy. Puppies need to be reigned in often because they will get hurt from being to hard on their growing bodies.
Both our dogs have had sprains and strains from going at it too hard. Rest and sometimes meds usually help and after a few days, it's better. I never thought it was that big of a deal since our dogs are with us all the time and get tons of interaction each day.
They also are very comfortable with their crates and do well with quiet and rest when needed.
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I would hope most foreigners are smart enough to realize that neither candidate is a reflection of the average American's values.
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My sense is that those outside the states are horrified by Trump in a prima facie way. I think Hillary and the Clinton sage is more nuanced and takes the longer-term memory of Americans who've lived through all the "scandal" to give it proper perspective.
I do think we Americans are looking pretty bad right about now. The turmoil on this blog is emblematic of how most any foray into conflicting political views and discussions are going presently.
It's the third rail.
You get people who say, "I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE VOTING FOR SO AND SO!!!!!", and get really angry, even though they know you and who you are, and otherwise like or love you.
I've never seen anything like it.
http://www.inquisitr.com/3603771/kate-gosselin-rumors-another-season-of-kate-plus-8-confirmed/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+google%2FyDYq+%28The+Inquisitr+-+News%29
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Just regurgitating the same old speculation. When Kate drops little hints about filming (now the dogs an the annual Gosselin vacation?) and "just wait and see!!", the rags glom onto her utterances and sheeple speculation.
AFAIK, her show has been doing specials and seasons and was never officially renewed.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 143
I would hope most foreigners are smart enough to realize that neither candidate is a reflection of the average American's values.
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Well that's why this situation is so damn horrible. Who represents a country matters, they contribute to the image of that country because they were elected by the people.
Personally I don't believe Trump is a reflection of average Americans(heck, if you just hang out on this blog, you,ll see that plenty Americans are decent people with good morals) but unfortunately, I have to agree that to plenty people US doesn't look so good right now. I'd be lying if I said I don't think about the kind of people who vote for Trump especially in a not so nice manner. With that said, I find it stupid to assume that this happens just in the US or to generalize and say all americans are [insert insult of choice here]. Generalizations only show how dumb the person making them is, in my opinion.
Where am I going with this? No idea. Point is:
-I'm sure most americans aren't imoral
-I know what it's like to be in the position where you have to vote for the lesser evil, because there's no other choice
-yes, America's image is really suffering right now, from what I can tell
-America is not the only country with problems, it's just the one currently in the spotlight
-Trump being elected is BAD for the entire world imho
Kate must be really desparate to keep the show going. She is really "all in" on the dog love. They're so special, you can see them on our show, etc. It's actually a little funny to watch her scramble. Maybe you should have had a Plan B Kate instead of just the show.
But it seems that you can't find something that someone from one party did without hearing "well the other party did this."
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Agree. When I hear that argument it only makes me dislike not only the sinner their defending more but the defender as well. Because that is what it is. Defence, not deflection.
As "Tucker's Mom" said @158, I've never seen anything like it either.
As a Canadian watching the U.S. TV coverage of the American election, I'm hearing little about actual policy from either candidate. From Trump himself all I hear is, "It's going to be amazing" and "You won't believe it" over and over again.
It's been said that Trump is not even listening to his own advisors. It makes me wonder who will be willing to serve in his cabinet and whether he will listen to them.
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One thing I will give Trump as a presidential nominee is the "entertainment" factor. It's like watching the worst politically incorrect reality tv show. It would be so "wrong but funny." It's almost like watching satire, but scary at the same time. Just disturbing really.
I mean for one, he's ORANGE. Except for the circles around his eyes. His hair is just a comedic tragedy in itself. Those aren't his natural looks so commenting on them is fair play. Small hands? Eh. He can't help that. But for someone who is so critical about women's looks, he has those comments coming I suppose.
Aside from his choice of grooming it's the things he says and does, from his facial expressions to his inappropriate gestures and comments.
It would be pretty entertaining to see how it all plays out if there wasn't so much to worry about having someone with his temperament in charge of making decisions that affect every US citizen.
Hillary is just as evil, in my opinion, but she's a pretty standard evil wrapped up in a boring package.
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My sense is that those outside the states are horrified by Trump in a prima facie way. I think Hillary and the Clinton sage is more nuanced and takes the longer-term memory of Americans who've lived through all the "scandal" to give it proper perspective.
I do think we Americans are looking pretty bad right about now. The turmoil on this blog is emblematic of how most any foray into conflicting political views and discussions are going presently.
It's the third rail.
You get people who say, "I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU ARE VOTING FOR SO AND SO!!!!!", and get really angry, even though they know you and who you are, and otherwise like or love you.
I've never seen anything like it.
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If the Republican's hadn't had their own sexual crimes they could have gotten their revenge on the Clintons.
History is always being repeated and no one ever remembers that. Each generation thinks what is happening to it is worse or better than what came before.
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With no NY Yankees or NY Mets in the series, I've gotta turn to the Cubs to get it done. I think I read they last won the series in 1908? It's way past time!
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Sshhhhh! Knock on wood! I've been a Cubbie fan forever & can barely stand this!
I hope Trump & his narrow minded, narcissistic, conspiracy theory spouting mouth is shut down. And I hope we never hear from him again. Period. I have an absolute allergic response to the man, much like I do with TFW - and I don't mean Former Wife.
The man is unhinged, has the patience of a gnat, and the tact of Hitler.
I'm no fan of Hilary, but at least she is qualified for the job and doesn't make my blood boil.
Trump is simply unacceptable. On. Every. Level.
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I like where you went with your post ;-)
I think Trump voters tend to get the worst of his traits projected upon them, and that's a shame. Many feel disenfranchised and are looking for hope and change.
Frankly, many don't have the luxury of putting his misogynistic comments and behavior on the top of their "Things That Offend Me About Trump" list. They live in dying towns. They see jobs slipping away. They see drugs consuming their communities. They see their economies staggering or worse. They are afraid of terrorism and what they perceive as an ever-weakening military, coupled with an ever-emboldening enemy in radical religion whose aim to to destroy our way of life, and us along with it.
These are our fellow Americans. Not all KKK clans persons and not all irredeemable because they are molded by their unique sets of experiences as citizens.
They are as scared of Hillary as her supporters are of Trump.
I'm not saying they're right, but am saying that it helps to discern what motivates many Trump voters and understand what their hierarchy of needs are, as compared to others.
As a Canadian watching the U.S. TV coverage of the American election, I'm hearing little about actual policy from either candidate
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This is just a poo-flinging fest at this point. We are so manipulated by the media's biases-on both sides-that the real issues get lost in the mayhem.
Jeanne said... 161
Kate must be really desparate to keep the show going. She is really "all in" on the dog love. They're so special, you can see them on our show, etc. It's actually a little funny to watch her scramble. Maybe you should have had a Plan B Kate instead of just the show.
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So true! I think Kate has never had any real intention of getting a mediocre job. I think she would have been thrilled to have landed a hosting position on tv, but I kind of think that ship has sailed. If she couldn't gain traction when she was a tabloid phenomenon, I doubt she can do it now.
It's the show, or a spin-off show, or nothing.
And yes, the puppies are getting a lot of push and heck, what could be more riveting than watching Kate get more dogs?
Chaos!!
Mayhem!!
Colin who???
Everyone, please watch Frontline's "The Choice 2016".
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/
Comment 160 is mine. No idea why it shows up as Unknown.
I don't know anyone at all who thinks either candidate is the best choice for President. I do know quite a few who are heavily influenced by what their party stands for and are supporting their particular candidate solely because of the (D) or (R) after their name on the ballot.
We've had ugly elections in the past, but what I think is different about this one is how partisan it has gotten. Both candidates are just about equally horrible in their different ways, have vested interests at the extreme fringes of their respective party, and neither will do a good job making decisions on what is good for the vast middle-ground of American citizens.
No matter which one wins in November, it will be the average American that loses over the next four years.
Tucker's Mom (#169), TFW told America she'd get a job at McDonald's if she had to, and I, for one, believe her. Then again, I also still believe in Santa and the tooth fairy, so...
Is anybody watching The Durrells in Corfu on PBS? Part 1 was last night and I loved it.
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Is anybody watching The Durrells in Corfu on PBS? Part 1 was last night and I loved it.
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I was eyeing that show, so thanks for the reminder!
Had a good binge recently with "Stranger Things".
I've been binge watching "Haters Back Off" on Netflix. I'm surprised that TFW hasn't mentioned it yet because, you know, she's a cool mom and loves Miranda Sings and probably has visions of Mady being the next internet sensation. TFW did say that Mady does a perfect imitation of MS.
As a Canadian watching the U.S. TV coverage of the American election, I'm hearing little about actual policy from either candidate.
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I think that's fair. Hillary can get away with being much more broad and general this time around because Trump is broad and general. She doesn't have to be specific because he isn't. In all the fascinating email leaks from her campaign, it's clear they think their strategy doesn't need to be complicated. They're simply trying to make her the more likable candidate. They flat out said it.
I forgot which talking head said this, but they pointed out that by their count, we haven't heard a PEEP about education in any of the debates yet. That is a huge issue, and it hasn't even been addressed in a debate.
I don't agree with using debate time to address scandals. I don't see them as a policy issue. Perhaps if they dropped the "scandal" questions, we would have more time to discuss how they plan to educate our children. Each candidate can address their various scandals in their own way or not address them, as they like, on their own time. Spending time in a policy debate with it I don't agree with especially when it's causing us to not hear about very important issues.
Agree. When I hear that argument it only makes me dislike not only the sinner their defending more but the defender as well. Because that is what it is. Defence, not deflection.
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Normally I agree with you, but the problem is, when people say Trump (or Hillary, whatever) did this, they then often say, so I'm voting for the other person!
It's not a case of "deflection." People are simply pointing out that if you aren't voting for a candidate because of X, Y, and Z, you should be aware of X, Y, and Z from the alternative.
It feels a little like saying I can't swim so I won't go in the ocean, but I'll see you at the lake. Someone is going to feel compelled to point out they are both water. They're not "deflecting" from the ocean. They're pointing out the facts.
Kate must be really desparate to keep the show going. She is really "all in" on the dog love. They're so special, you can see them on our show, etc
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Oh sheesh. I really think the average person must be fully convinced her show is cancelled. 10 months in television is like 10 years. What show???
History is always forgotten just when it needs to be remembered. Every generation thinks it has the worst or the best.
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That I agree with. :) There is sometimes a lack of perspective and short term memories about history. That's when I bring out the fainting couch, tee-hee. :) The same couch we've been fainting on for a hundred years.
Unknown thank you for your thoughts I agree with most of them.
Another thought to a drive by who supports 50 shades but deplores the rape culture, as long as there are people who don't take responsibility for supporting things like 50 Shades of Grey, the rape culture will continue. I do NOT buy into the idea that people, women, whatever, can say and do and support whatever they like no matter how exploitive it is to women, and that this has no bearing on the overall suppression of women. No. Personal responsibility for the direction of our sexuality as a gender, is imperative.
Over 10K views on the latest puppylove video but only 30 comments from the same old die hard sheeple. Something just doesn't compute.
Just no end of dog advice from Milo, she's convinced she's an expert on this (as every) subject. Meanwhile, Kate's bending over backward to try to explain how Mak hurt himself. What's the matter, Kate, afraid people will start accusing you of animal abuse? Is that really all in your past?
miloandjack2016 I bet #Nanuq is thinking...."My human just learned a new trick!! And she does it a zillion times!" LOL. @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 Sorry to hear about #Mak...its tough when they are in that endless rough play stage. Did vet put a soft splint on paw for support? Front or back paw? @kateplusmy8
kateplusmy8 Nope not getting sick to all who asked! It's just wee early in the am when I'm out there playing with her.. She's got more energy than she can burn in a day! @barbgilmer1
kateplusmy8 No splint for some reason (I asked) and it's his front right (which Shoka has a habit of grabbing when they play; plus mak has slipped a few times so don't know which did it) and I CANNOT WAIT TO LET HIM RUN! Hes scratched my wood floors to bits from boredom and when I covered it with a new piece of linoleum, it took him 5 min to rip a hole!! Grrrrr @miloandjack2016
miloandjack2016 Oh my...maybe you should put some #FootieSocks on those paws to keep him from scratching like that! And get him a really good #Chewy that lasts a while....if that is possible! LOL. @kateplusmy8
mydmaxx2581 Nanug can catch...good girl. Get well soon Mak. Is Shoka enjoying playtime with them?
miloandjack2016 #Jack sprained his paw jumping up into back of pickup truck....we put a foam support around the paw w/breathable tape. He could walk better w/it...and in about 3 or 4 days he was fine! 😃 @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 I have to tell you...just looking at this latest vid of #Nanuq...she is going to be an incredibly gorgeous King Shepherd! Obvious you are training her and spending time w/her too! Why don't you do a picture calendar for next yr w/your dogs? Seriously...they are very photogenic!! @kateplusmy8
No, just...no. I am not personally responsible for your sexuality any more than you are personally responsible for mine. You continue to be an apologist for rape culture. It is not now and never will be okay for men to sexually assault women.
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Yes, just yes.
We don't get to glorify rape and sexual dominance, then turn around and complain about "rape culture".
Yes, just yes. Put away your nasty filthy rape glorification books and grow up.
That is not in any way saying it's OKAY to sexually assault anyone. That's like saying it's okay to rob someone who leaves hundred dollar bills sitting out on their porch. Of course it's not okay to rob them. But, it doesn't mean they aren't being very irresponsible with securing their money. Pointing out one's irresponsibility does not equal "acceptance" of something else. Stop over-simplyfing it.
Ugh. Anyone see the latest video of Donald Trump trying to kiss a little girl, around the age of 8, on the MOUTH!?!
What the hell is wrong with that man? How does he think that is acceptable!? And why are parents pimping out their kids for this stuff?!?
It was so disgusting and disturbing to watch. You don't kiss someone else's child on the mouth. Especially a stranger!
I wonder if Mak's sprained paw is like TFW's broken foot.
The dog scratched the wood floors? We know Kate doesn't usually let dogs past the foyer. Either she's doing her usual wordsmithing where one scratch equals ruined or she actually let the dogs in the house just so they can scratch the floors. Then she can have an episode getting new floors (and furniture too) because she's just a normal mom with these adorable puppies. (Blech!)
The pup with the hurt paw. I wonder how that really happened. I hope the pup wasn't running and jumping near one of the 3 vehicles, if she had to move one.
I don't think she would leave and let them run loose down the road. She has too much invested in them. But Shoka and Nala? No problem.
Do you really think that she is setting up a new floor episode because of the pup's scratching? It's been 10 years and TFW needs new flooring and she doesn't want to pay for it.
She wants those wood floors refinished and wants TLC to pay the bill. I doubt the wood was scratched primarily from the dogs but from years of wear and tear from her family and the previous owner. If there are scratches from the dogs, they will mostly be by the doors. Put a rug there!
I've never had a dog scratch floors out of boredom or frustration. That's where early training comes in, so you can shape behavior and responses, give corrections and rewards to reinforce positive things that you want.
A great example is our lab girl. She started to lob herself over our deck railing to jump into the backyard (which is also fenced), and while it's not high, nor did I think she'd hurt herself, but I wanted her to know that when I let her out on the deck, ,that's where she is to stay.
I watched her to see if and how she was getting over the railing, caught her slinging herself over the top, mid escape, and gave a sharp "no! eh eh!" and she looked right at me. I said "off" and "stay" with a hand signal, and she'e not even as much as tried it again since.
Those months and months of training were SO worth it. Redirecting is a really valuable tool.
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capecodmama said... 174
Is anybody watching The Durrells in Corfu on PBS? Part 1 was last night and I loved it.
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I was eyeing that show, so thanks for the reminder!
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I second that. Thanks for the reminder. I started to watch it and fell asleep. Not because it was boring. I seem to always fall asleep watching shows at night! It is very quirky. My kind of show.........
If the puppy is injured so severely that he can only walk on a leash and not play why isn't he kenneled? We know that she kennels them because there was of picture of Mak and Aaden in the kennel. There is nothing wrong with kenneling a dog that's recuperating especially if the puppy refuses to rest. A sprain can be pretty serious depending on the grade. Like her broken foot, I think the injury is more of a strain than a sprain.
Like her broken foot, I think the injury is more of a strain than a sprain.
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I believe Kate fractured her pinky toe, but it's just not the kind of injury that puts your on bed rest, or should I say, bedroom rest, where you can't limp out 20 feet to the kitchen!
By their age, the puppies should be crate trained enough that leaving them in their crates in a quiet room should allow them to settle and sleep.
Mostly, you want to prevent running and jumping, so being in a room with furniture or steps is counterproductive.
Generally, our dogs' sprains and strains resolved in 2-4 or 5 days with rest and medication for pain.
Also, the pain meds can make them sleepy, which can be VERY helpful.
As with Nala and Shoka when they were puppies, the Gosselin house is a bit risky to raise puppies. They need mature humans and a lot of supervision. That's the part I think they don't get.
It's tough enough with one, and two would take a whole lot of concentrated effort.
Oh golly, it's Shoka's b'day. How could I have forgotten? She's really going so overboard about the dogs, it's ridiculous. Repetition is the sincerest form of fakery, I guess.
kateplusmy8 HAPPY 8th BIRTHDAY TO THE KING OF KING SHEPHERDS. You changed our lives for the better, guard us, love us unconditionally, AND gave us your amazing 'kids'! Today is YOUR day! Party time after school, Shokie! ❤️🐶❤️ #Shoka #MayYouLiveForever
As for Kate and her non-stop "fawning" about the dogs... I really think that she has no responsibilities when it comes to the dogs. We've all seen how she acts when she's the one that has to clean up after someone, or is the one responsible for keeping things organized and clean.
Those kids must have to do everything when it comes to chores for the dogs and cleaning up their messes.
She also doesn't groom or bathe them herself. She won't even let the dogs play in water because she doesn't want wet dogs.
I also believe it's all public persona. I don't believe for a second that Kate didn't flip out when the dog scratched up her floors. It's not like you can just throw then out and get new floors easily.
It's like having a baby but your nanny does all the hard work. You can cuddle and kiss it and adore its cuteness because you're not the one feeding and bathing and changing its diapers and cleaning up their messes.
We've seen the real Kate and how she treats her kids compared to how she tweets all sweetness and love about them. It's all for public image.
Why am i so skeptical of this story milo is telling about her dogs?With the way she's been obsessing over Kate's dogs it feels like she's just trying to get attention. Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 13h13 hours ago
I tell you I REALLY VALUE my loud mouth dogs! Some one tried to break into hubs pickup truck last nite! #ManiacBarkingDogs ran him off! LOL
"Shokie" agh!! That nickname puts my nerves on edge since I know her affection is phony.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 13h13 hours ago
I tell you I REALLY VALUE my loud mouth dogs! Some one tried to break into hubs pickup truck last nite! #ManiacBarkingDogs ran him off! LOL
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That person had to come down a pretty long private road in order to break into her husband's pick-up. Seems like it would be pretty far out of someone's way when there are probably easier pickins' in town.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 13h13 hours ago
I tell you I REALLY VALUE my loud mouth dogs! Some one tried to break into hubs pickup truck last nite! #ManiacBarkingDogs ran him off! LOL
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Um, did you call the cops? It's not funny.
She just makes things up.
From the pictures Milo has posted, she lives in an isolated wooded area. Can't imagine anyone interested in hub's truck, LOL. She really is a psycho liar like Kate.
just wondering -- Your comment about Trump being unacceptable on every level is what causes anger and fighting. I've been guilty of the same thing. This election cycle is so bad and with such awful choices it makes people want to barf. But there are people on the other side of what you believe who are good, caring, loving people and they feel as strongly as you that Hillary is wrong on every level and we've been watching her scrap her way to where she is now for years. But I sincerely mean this, we as a nation are at a huge crossroads no matter which of these 2 clowns wins. It makes me very sad to think of where we are going as a country for the sake of my grandchildren.
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