Remember when they Jon and Kate separated in 2009 when Kate called the police on Jon because she did not like the babysitter that Jon picked out. This was when Jon was still living at the McMansion. I think it was one of his girlfriends.
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Actually that brings up another point. If she has taken to calling the cops over the years always over a bunch of stupid shit, she may be in a "Boy who called wolf" situation. The one time she actually had a legitimate request, "return my daughter as it is my custody time", they may have let it slide because they know her and her reputation and all the dumb complaints she always has. She is her own worst enemy.
It's highly likely she is seeing the same cops over and over and they know her. If this had been her first time, she was calm, had the order in hand, and left off the stuff about kidnapping and sexual abuse, this all might have transpired much differently for her.
There is so much sunshine being blown up "Admin's" ass on a daily basis that the sunburn must hurt like hell.
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You're kidding right? People here are certainly respectful to their host, but I really don't see a bunch of creepy kissing up nor would I want to.
At the same time, myself and my helpers do a lot of work on the blog over the years and have created this little porch to hang out on, so it's understandable when posters here realize it and appreciate that, as they are basically nice and appreciative people at heart. They should be able to do so without being scolded by you. What does Kate do for her fans? Nothing.
Well, we know Jon has them after school and for dinner on Tuesdays. He picked her up "without permission" on a Wednesday. So I think it's safe to say it's not his custody day.
No idea about the actual order but it seems the cops did respond to her call at least. From context I think the call he did respond to was the one where Jon picked up Hannah on a Wednesday. She called again a few days later about being afraid because he had a gun, and about her suspicions about him having an inappropriate relationship with the one daughter.
InTouch: The police records, obtained by In Touch, show that Kate called cops three times in five days, and the officer that responded to the call refused to get involved and “informed her this was a custody/civil matter, to be handled in court.”
Why must you lie? You said directly that people have no right to not believe her:
"Broaddrick perceived quite clearly she was being threatened. Who are you to second guess her?"
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Now you're really grasping at straws. We were talking about the THREATS made to her, not the rape itself.
I was making the point that if someone says I FELT threatened, why are we second guessing that? Of course, that's assuming the statements were made in the first place, but I was making that assumption first.
That is a completely different point that wondering if someone is LYING about something ever even happening, like a rape.
We were having a conversation about respecting people's perceptions of threat, so I don't know why you are so upset or comparing it to something completely different. If I tell you I see a mouse and am terrified, I would like you to just respect that that terrifies me and not second guess it, regardless if you think mice are cute and cuddly. Anyway, the law often strongly backs up in many different ways one's PERCEPTION of what happened. In law school we call that the reasonable person test versus SUBJECTIVE test. She felt threatened--that's the end of the story for me. That's all that was said.
No idea about the actual order but it seems the cops did respond to her call at least. From context I think the call he did respond to was the one where Jon picked up Hannah on a Wednesday. She called again a few days later about being afraid because he had a gun, and about her suspicions about him having an inappropriate relationship with the one daughter.
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I really think she muddied the waters by bringing up all kinds of crazy shit to the point where the cops are like okay, maybe you better have the judge deal with this.
Like I said had she had a 30 second call with them and explained I have an order would you mind enforcing it, the outcome might have been very different.
There really is an element of working with cops to get what you want. When you start acting crazy and unhinged, just like normal people they just want to end the call.
Okay, now I just saw a line from the police report that says Jon has custody every Wednesday and every other weekend.
So he DOES have custody on Wednesday?
In August In Touch reported he sees them every Tuesday. And Jon has said so himself. It's always been Tuesday from what I recall.
InTouch: Jon, who revealed he sees most of his children every Tuesday plus every other weekend, stands firmly on his role as a good father, “I love all of my children and hope they all know I’m there for them unconditionally. I'm a good dad."
So.... now I don't know why she called the cops if he picked her up on his custody day. Probably because she wasn't going to allow him to pick her up that day, but he did it straight from school. ????
Okay, now I just saw a line from the police report that says Jon has custody every Wednesday and every other weekend.
So he DOES have custody on Wednesday?
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Maybe he did then. Or, they could have been confused. Honestly, police reports are written from a tense moment and you do find little errors in them like that all the time.
But then, if they were confused and thought it was his custody time in the first place, no wonder they told her peace out! LOL. How hilarious if they wouldn't help her because in her frenzy she totally confused them about his custody time.
Jon has the kids on Tuesday nights. Not Wednesdays.
Nov 3, 2013 Jon told Oprah:
His cabin lifestyle might be rustic, but Gosselin is doing his best to tell people that it makes him happy. The interview on the Oprah Winfrey show opens with him gathering wood for a bonfire to have with his children, who come to visit him on Tuesday nights for dinner and every other weekend from Friday through Sunday. He says they go fishing, camping and play outside, and since his house doesn’t have Internet or cable, they are cut off from the rest of the world.
If TLC finally does drop her I wonder if Steve will stick around or if he'll move on. I remember that when she was cancelled it seemed that he was off "protecting" other TLC stars as they filmed. Since the whole K8 D8s storyline was a bust you'd think that if there really was a relationship that she pitch a marriage and how Steve copes with being a part of their "crazy, hectic, fun filled" lives. I really think that if they had any kind of real relationship that the kids would have told Jon and it would have been leaked to the press by now. He's an opportunist and is milking her fore everything that he can get. Will he stick around to make her the queen of YouTube?
NJGal51 said... 10 If TLC finally does drop her I wonder if Steve will stick around or if he'll move on. I remember that when she was cancelled it seemed that he was off "protecting" other TLC stars as they filmed. Since the whole K8 D8s storyline was a bust you'd think that if there really was a relationship that she pitch a marriage and how Steve copes with being a part of their "crazy, hectic, fun filled" lives. _____
Oh I think she's already pitched it. Steve's very obvious presence in the final episodes in 2011 was, I think, a trial balloon on her part. I don't know what sort of relationship this man has with his wife, but if it's "real," she had to be uncomfortable watching the RV trip (not to mention the apparent coziness of the CA appearance). I think Jon is well aware of Steve's presence in Kate's and his children's life, but chooses not to talk about it because he knows the kids would suffer: Inspector Gadget would quickly deduce that one of them had to have been the source of his info.
CC the interview that you posted was from Nov 3, 2013. Maybe things have changed and he has the kids on Wednesdays or maybe he's now got some on Tuesdays and the others on Wednesdays. Bottom line is that Kate lives in crazy land and seems to expect the police to jump every time she claps her hands - get it done NOW! Im sure that there was probably some sort of blow up between Kate and Hannah and Kate wanted her home right after school for damage control purposes. When Jon picked her it it threw a monkey wrench into Kate's plans. Who really knows at this point. Also, as someone pointed out earlier, the magazine could have put in a FOIA request quite a while ago and just got the information which is why the story came out now. I don't think it's a plant by anyone in Kate's camp to garner sympathy for her and what she has to put up with. If it was it backfired just as badly as her happy, happy, family photo shoot minus Collin. Comments on the article are running almost 100% against Kate.
CC said... 7 Okay, now I just saw a line from the police report that says Jon has custody every Wednesday and every other weekend.
So he DOES have custody on Wednesday? ================================
This gets more confusing. In one of the police reports it states that Kate claimed that Jon "kidnapped" Hannah from school on Wednesday, but in another report it was stated that KATE told the police that Jon had custody every Wednesday and every other weekend.
In the InTouch article published last year about this incident, it stated that Hannah was visiting Jon on April 23, which was a Thursday.
"During a visit with her father on April 23, “She said she didn’t want to go home to her mom [Kate] because she can’t take the cruelty anymore,” an insider exclusively reveals to In Touch. “Hannah was so afraid of her mom that Jon became concerned and called [Berks County, Pennsylvania] Children & Youth Services and filed a report — and he took emergency custody of Hannah” — without a court order.
Not surprisingly, Kate flipped out.
“She showed up at Jon’s house and stood in the street screaming for Hannah to come home, but she wouldn't leave,” the insider tells In Touch.
“Then she called the cops on Jon and made claims about him,” adds the insider.
Kate (whose rep didn’t respond when asked for comment on this story) took the little girl back home after she spent four days with Jon. "
"According to the police report, filed on April 24th, 2015, Kate claimed that Jon “kidnapped” [their daughter] Hannah, taking her from her school"
So Kate filed the first police report on Friday, April 25, after Hannah refused to go home after her visit with Jon. It's possible that he did pick her up on Tuesday for his usual custody time, but Hannah didn't want to go home, so he picked her up on Wednesday and again on Thursday and Friday.
My only question is why did Kate wait until Friday to call the police. Why didn't she call on Wednesday?
And also why did she state that Jon has custody on Wednesdays instead of Tuesdays. Was it to cover herself for not calling on Wednesday when Jon supposedly "kidnapped" Hannah?
Milo's still going blathering away on last night's IG photo.
miloandjack2016 LOL. I can certainly believe that! Kate's got a gr8 sense of humor...one of the first things I've always loved about her! When time was more available to her..& before the trolls ran everyone off...we used to have a blast on twitter w/impromptu fun...joking...sassing her tweet parties!! That was rt down my alley! 😋 @jamiepumpkin3 @kateplusmy8
She sure has a different recall of things, doesn't she? Kate's sense of humor almost always hinged on putting someone or something else down. Once she lost her whipping boy, she didn't even have that.
Sue said... 12 CC the interview that you posted was from Nov 3, 2013. Maybe things have changed and he has the kids on Wednesdays or maybe he's now got some on Tuesdays and the others on Wednesdays. ----------------------------------------
Yes, that was my point. He said in 2013 he had custody on Tuesdays, and the InTouch article I quoted from August 31, 2016 (not even two months ago) said Tuesdays, and every time Jon over the past few years has mentioned his custody day during the week he said Tuesday.
I think I recall Kate saying it also in the past, but I'm not sure if she actually said "Tuesday," or just one day a week.
Jon has the kids on Tuesdays.
The police report states KATE said he has them on Wednesdays. But according to everything we know that's not true.
Yes, it seems Jon may have had Hannah for his custody day on that Tuesday, and Hannah complained about her life at home and told him she didn't want to live there so Jon picked her up from school the rest of the week.
I can't imagine what went on that week with Kate. She must have been LIVID. She must have called the school, and the police, and everyone she could think of. She even called in the Twitter troops. LOL.
Milo said "before the trolls ran everyone off." Wow, the fans give Kate's non-fans a lot of credit for ridding the Twitter world of Kate and her loony fans. That's quite an accomplishment.
What she refuses to accept is the fans barely tweet Kate because Kate is non-existent on Twitter. If Kate tweeted her fans would reply and re-tweet and engage her in conversation.
The puppies are now 6 months of age. That is the age that large dogs usually come into season for the first time. So Kate now has three un-altered dogs running loose, and they are all closely related. Nice.
In an article from ROL about the Hannah incident last year it states:
"Attempting another tactic, the Kate Plus 8 reality star, 40, allegedly called the cops three days later, claiming Jon threatened her and left Hannah alone while he was deejaying at night.
That could be the reason behind her "protection mode" tweet on Friday, May 1, 2015, trying to find out where Jon was DJing that weekend. She wanted to know where Jon was, so that she could investigate whether he was leaving the kids alone while he went to his DJ job.
She was searching for dirt on Jon to prove her accusations, but according to both Jon's FB page and twitter, he didn't have any gigs that weekend.
Winsomeone said... 19 The puppies are now 6 months of age. That is the age that large dogs usually come into season for the first time. So Kate now has three un-altered dogs running loose, and they are all closely related. Nice. --------------
I know nothing about dog breeding, but I've been wondering if she's perhaps going to breed these dogs. She bred Shoka and I assume sold the puppies she didn't keep. Could she hire out Shoka? Is there good money in doing so? When my son bought a pure breed puppy it was crazy expensive and knowing Kate, it's all about the money.
We have seen Jon very altered on his periscope videos, high on something, or some things. Pot doesn't make you act as invincible as he was acting. And he has said he drinks a certain kind of whiskey. So yes, I think he gets trashed regularly. It would not surprise me if he is trying to make quick money doing other things. However, I don't see him being sexual with his kids.
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The point being Kate engaged in extremely wild speculation without any evidence, as are you. And Kate never said he gets trashed, only that he, gasp, has a drink with the kids there (as has SHE). I haven't seen the videos you have where Jon appears invincible and high on something other than marijuana. Link please. I really would like to know how you have identified that he is under the influence, and not only that but not marijuana. It would be helpful with my work if I could actually identify what drugs people are on if any, just by sight!
If he's still living with Colleen (?), then they're staying at her house. So if she's home, which seems quite likely, the kids are not alone. Or is Kate going to deny that she leaves the kids "alone" when she's off getting more plastic face or hitting up the tab shows? If the GF is home, she has no leg to stand on.
CC the interview that you posted was from Nov 3, 2013. Maybe things have changed and he has the kids on Wednesdays or maybe he's now got some on Tuesdays and the others on Wednesdays.
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Whatever day it was, the cops seemed to be under the impression it was his time anyway. Therefore, that explains why they wouldn't help her.
Maybe they were mistaken, or maybe in her frenzy Kate didn't explain the custody order correctly to them. Trust me, cops get mixed up all the time and there are errors in their reports all the time, I'd like to think mostly unintentional. They have a lot in their heads just like anyone in a high stress job and they're trying to recall a great deal of information they got when they were there at the incident. It would not at all surprise me if they got mixed up about a family law order. And since Kate was probably not behaving rationally, she sure as hell wasn't going to be able to correct them. I don't think the report says they actually reviewed the physical family law order, which Kate should have given them to look at if she had half a brain.
It's the owner of the mother that typically decides to keep or sell the pups from a litter. It's common for the owner to offer one pup to the owner of the father. Maybe she got two pups in lieu of a stud fee. But since the breeding was no doubt instigated by Kate for TV purposes, maybe it worked a little differently.
We have seen Jon very altered on his periscope videos, high on something, or some things. Pot doesn't make you act as invincible as he was acting. And he has said he drinks a certain kind of whiskey. So yes, I think he gets trashed regularly. It would not surprise me if he is trying to make quick money doing other things. However, I don't see him being sexual with his kids.
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The point being Kate engaged in extremely wild speculation without any evidence, as are you. And Kate never said he gets trashed, only that he, gasp, has a drink with the kids there (as has SHE). _____
Kate's been seen on many of her episodes and other appearances drinking alcohol. Also at the end of the Katie Couric interview, and Kate Coyne makes a point of ending her recent interview with Kate "over a glass of wine." Here again, pot/kettle.
@CC (18) The haters on twitter must be a powerful group of people to not only rid Kate and her fans off twitter but also get all of Bullyville's twitter accounts suspended.Which was another thing that the fans blamed haters for.They just can't accept the fact that BV's accounts had many tweets that were beyond disgusting but also over the line.Also with Kate how do they know she left because of haters?For all we know she left because twitter is not only boring her but also what more is there to say when it comes to Kate?
There really is an element of working with cops to get what you want. When you start acting crazy and unhinged, just like normal people they just want to end the call.
I would think the police out of duty to all parties would be more likely to get involved with the "unhinged and crazy", especially with a child involved. Had something serious happened with Hannah, alcohol related or worse, the police being notified would definitely be negligent.
Maybe he did then. Or, they could have been confused. Honestly, police reports are written from a tense moment and you do find little errors in them like that all the time.
Police reports with errors are recorded documents that when go to court get thrown out due to perjury. It is the officer's JOB to insure what goes into the report is accurate. Lord. The day of the week is critically important in a case like this.
Milo said "before the trolls ran everyone off." Wow, the fans give Kate's non-fans a lot of credit for ridding the Twitter world of Kate and her loony fans. That's quite an accomplishment.
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Why didn't Kate just close her Twitter account if the trolls were running everyone off? It now belongs to them. Just shut the darn thing down.
I know nothing about dog breeding, but I've been wondering if she's perhaps going to breed these dogs. She bred Shoka and I assume sold the puppies she didn't keep. Could she hire out Shoka? Is there good money in doing so? When my son bought a pure breed puppy it was crazy expensive and knowing Kate, it's all about the money. ======== Jane - The only way that TFW would make money on this is if the owner of a female used Shoka as a stud and then TFW would receive a stud fee (this is for AKC registered breeds). Usually with pure bred puppies the owner of the female wants to use a male that has conformation in dog shows. I don't think a reputable breeder would use a male that, although purebred, has not been shown and has no conformations to his name. Shoka is a King Shepherd and that breed is not recognized by the AKC and the Americak King Shepherd Club may have different standards. As many on this blog know I am owned by a bulldog (see new avatar) and I would never buy from a breeder that used any old dog off the street for a stud. And please....no lectures on adopt don't shop.
I hope TFW is keeping those dogs apart because if NookiePookie goes into heat it will be open season as to which male gets to her.
Police reports with errors are recorded documents that when go to court get thrown out due to perjury. It is the officer's JOB to insure what goes into the report is accurate. Lord. The day of the week is critically important in a case like this.
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I don't know what to tell you but inaccuracies are in police reports all the time. And it's often due to the parties themselves not giving good information. Due to stress, emotion, stupidity. It's not perjury to do the best you can with a police report. Surely you understand they are written some time after the incident. Often hours. I have no idea why you think my telling the truth about police reports is margamilizing. Somebody made a mistake about the custody day. Maybe it was Kate. I was simply providing an explanation how that might have happened.
The police report states KATE said he has them on Wednesdays. But according to everything we know that's not true.
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If TFW told the cops that Jon's custody was on Wednesday and it is written in stone that it is TUESDAY, then why don't they charge her for providing false information and filing a false police report? I think this warrants it.
If TFW told the cops that Jon's custody was on Wednesday and it is written in stone that it is TUESDAY, then why don't they charge her for providing false information and filing a false police report? I think this warrants it.
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But it doesn't help her to lie about the day. That doesn't make sense. A more logical explanation is the cops made an HONEST mistake and wrote the wrong day.
Anyway you look at this mess, have you noticed how things are escalating? This is not going to turn out good at all.
He kidnapped my daughter! BAM!
That didn't work.
He is a drug dealer! BAM!
That didn't work.
He is in an inappropriate relationship with H! BAM!
3 police calls in 5 days. I wonder when TFW was spouting to her road manager, I wonder if he tried to talk her out of it? Or, did he encourage her to go and get H. because of filming so he would get paid?
Blowing In The Wind said... 32 Milo said "before the trolls ran everyone off." Wow, the fans give Kate's non-fans a lot of credit for ridding the Twitter world of Kate and her loony fans. That's quite an accomplishment.
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Why didn't Kate just close her Twitter account if the trolls were running everyone off? It now belongs to them. Just shut the darn thing down.
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She'll never do that, even though it is a porn-infested cesspool. She doesn't want to give up that precious blue verification check. They say, once you shut it down, you can't get it back.
Just to read her IG posts with the puppies after what just hit the fan in 2 days is very disturbing. It is like an alternate universe. Rome is burning and Nero's (TWF) standing there a fiddl'n.
But it doesn't help her to lie about the day. That doesn't make sense. A more logical explanation is the cops made an HONEST mistake and wrote the wrong day.
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You could be right. Police do make mistakes filling out reports after a long shift. But TFW would lie about anything, anytime to get what she wants. She has a good track record of lying, especially about Jon.
So family court found Kate's accusations were unfounded. I guess that means Hannah had to appear in front of judge to say she and her dad don't have an inappropriate relationship!?! I really hope not. I hope that poor child doesn't even know Kate made such a claim. At least not until she is older. I want her to know then. But that's something that a 12-year-old shouldn't have to think about when it comes to her daddy.
I hope her classmates don't know either. That is just humiliating. To be in the media for such a thing when it's not even true. I'm sure a thing like that between a child and parent would never have occurred to her. What child wants such a thing in their head? Ugh
GollyGee is right about that blue verification check. That's also why TFW never went private with her account because to do so would mean that she'd lose the verification check. To her (and apparently her followers), being verified validates her. Remember how hot Milo was to get her Instagram account verified?
Accusing a parent of untrue sexual abuse is such a horrible thing, that it seems like the one doing the false accusing really does deserve some jail time.
I agree, that poor little girl having to appear in front of a judge to deny that her father behaved inappropriately with her. I hope that, before she 'testified', she had the benefit of a councilor to explain what the process was all about and just why it was necessary. How confusing it must have been for her and the impression will linger with her for a long time.
No one can tell me that this damaging experience has not affected her greatly, certainly much more than what her mother/nurse would ever concede. It's possible too that she was told not to discuss this case with her siblings and schoolmates making it all the more troubling for her.
I hope she is receiving additional help in sorting all this out in her little mind and I don't mean from her disturbed mother.
I am owned by a bulldog (see new avatar) and I would never buy from a breeder that used any old dog off the street for a stud. And please....no lectures on adopt don't shop. ****** Awww! I love the picture! Such a gorgeous puppy. Ah, miss the puppy phase. Well, sort of... No lecture from me. We currently have a purebred and a mix, so best of both worlds. I wouldn't be surprised if Kate doesn't spay Nookie, but keeping the males intact is ridiculous if that's what she chooses. My guess is that she will not fix one or both of the puppies so that she can breed again.
I am kind of out of the loop here. I have't read all of the happenings in the past few days. Was the term sexual abuse used, or was it a suspicious relationship?
How are the sheeple spinning this? The police reports are a fraud and were altered?
Had something serious happened with Hannah, alcohol related or worse, the police being notified would definitely be negligent.
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I totally disagree the police would have been "negligent" had something happened to Hannah. Plus, they have immunity.
They interviewed Hannah, they did a thorough investigation. What about this was negligence? The fact that they decided your queen was a psychopants who should go peddle it in family law court doesn't mean they were negligent. They made the call they felt best. It's really insulting that you not being there, seeing and hearing what they saw, would accuse them of negligence. Wow.
So Jon was in the right to essentially give up half of his children by not having the police ensure his custody order? I'm not asking this sarcastically. I'm trying to figure out what, if anything, Jon should/could have done in this situation. What another parent in the same situation should/could do, as none of this is happening in a vacuum.
This blog consists of one wildly speculative comment after another from both you and your posters. I love irony.
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This blog isn't calling the cops on our spouse.
Speculation is perfectly appropriate as you like on a BLOG. The idea that you would compare that to someone then taking the next step and running with their wild conspiracy theories to the cops about their own CHILDREN, is outrageous.
Oh, and I know Kate was full of it. The cops don't tell her to go tell it to a fence post about SEX ABUSE and DRUG DEALING unless they think she's full of shit. I'm sorry this is upsetting, but your queen is psycho and this finally proves it. The cops did a great job telling her to shove it up her ass.
I want to get the magazine to read the police reports for myself, but the CVS I stopped at didn't have the newest issue I guess, although it was like Oct 20 something.
PumpkinButt is lending her support on last night's IG post.
barbgilmer1 @kateplusmy8 @jamiepumpkin3 I wish I could see the both of you together, it would be hilarious! I'm pretty funny as well I have The tendency to crack people up right @jamiepumpkin3 ?
jamiepumpkin3 She ALWAYS makes me laugh! Sometimes one of us will not be able to sleep at night and will text the other"u awake"? Then we spend an hour laughing via text! She is one of thee only persons who gets me and makes me laugh hysterically! I can't wait to see her soon!
kateplusmy8Pffffhhh @jamiepumpkin3 what are you talking about? 😂😂😂 Us laughing late at night? Pfffffhh I say again! 😂😂
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But Barb, you have seen them together. How could you forget the RV trip? Lots of FUN and games going on there.
There is so much info not in those police reports. Did Kate refuse to let the kids go with Jon on Tues so Hannah asked to be picked up Wed? What do you do when your child calls begging you to come get her? In an adversarial divorce like that there are no good options. Whatever the custody day, the police decided not to go to Jon's and escort H home. They must have determined she was not in physical danger and they would prefer to have the judge make a decision. I see no way out of H having to answer if Jon had abused her. The judge has to ask. So now H knows if she tries to stick up for herself that her mom could send her dad to jail. Poor girl.
Nookie Pookie will be coming into heat soon? Oh dear. Will Kate still love her? I had a friend with a small breed dog who didn't get her fixed. During the dog's cycle she had to put these little diapers on her for the blood. Do they make those in King Shepherd size?
There have been a number of high profile dog abuse cases recently in Lancaster County. There's a new law being pushed through the House about dog abuse. Look up PA House Bill 869. There are some new things Kate should look at about leaving your dog outside in our worst heat or cold.
Tamara said... 48 So Jon was in the right to essentially give up half of his children by not having the police ensure his custody order? I'm not asking this sarcastically. I'm trying to figure out what, if anything, Jon should/could have done in this situation. What another parent in the same situation should/could do, as none of this is happening in a vacuum. __________
It isn't really about being in the right or wrong. IMO, Jon, knowing how completely over the top vengeful Kate is, how much she hates him, and knowing, as we now know from the police report she is prone to psycho freak outs, Jon didn't want to wake the sleeping b*tch and be responsible for a flaming rage.
Kate's kind of shot her wad now though, hasn't she? She accused him of kidnapping, drug dealing, drug/alcohol imbibing around the children, leaving Hannah alone at night while he went to work, inappropriate behavior with his daughter, and threatening with a gun. What's left?
Ha - I was just thinking about Gladys writing a poem for Shoka's birthday, but not doing that for the twins. She doesn't give a hoot about the G kids. It's all about TFW.
My guess is that she will not fix one or both of the puppies so that she can breed again. ======== I agree Tucker's Mom. I just hope that she's smart enough not to breed them together. Mine turned 6 months today and this past week has started air humping. I can't imagine what would be going on if I have a female his age in the house. I hope that she doesn't kennel the puppies together. My puppy is scheduled for his neuter on 1 November.
Like so many other posters here, I'm not surprised at the lengths Kate will go to in order to get her way/make things tough for Jon, although I didn't see these specific allegations coming.
We all know that Kate will never apologize/always feels justified in what she does, but I think the lack of any of the TV talk shows contacting her for her comments/booking a set the record straight tour must be making her feel abandoned. Of course, it may still be coming but I don't think so.
I don't agree that it would have been a terrible thing for Hannah to speak to the police and the judge. She has seen, heard, and endured that crazy household all her life and by running to her father was letting her voice be heard. The policeman and the judge probably got a pent-up earful. I'm betting she is a whole lot tougher than we have been lead to believe.
jamiepumpkin3 She ALWAYS makes me laugh! Sometimes one of us will not be able to sleep at night and will text the other"u awake"? Then we spend an hour laughing via text! She is one of thee only persons who gets me and makes me laugh hysterically! I can't wait to see her soon!
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I really wish Kate would get a real job, the kind where you have to get to sleep and can't stay up half the night with girlfriends texting like you're 14 years old.
@Admin Jamie is no saint either,she's been commenting on Milo's IG pictures alot,to point where you'd think they actually know each other.Its so weird,its no wonder milo thinks Jamie's her friend.I don't get why she does it.
I thought I read that Jon had the kids one night a week plus every other weekend, and that he was going to also take the twins for dinner on Tuesdays so he could have time with them away from the younger kids. Anyone else remember that? It was 2013-2014.
Jeanne said... 53 There is so much info not in those police reports. Did Kate refuse to let the kids go with Jon on Tues so Hannah asked to be picked up Wed? What do you do when your child calls begging you to come get her? _____
So many questions, I agree. Do all the tups now have phones? And if so, I wonder if Kate blocked Jon's number on H's phone after this.
RE: Kate's "protection mode" tweet, wondering where Jon was DJing on Friday and Saturday--I think she wanted to figure out when he would be out of the house so she could swoop in and grab Hannah. If Jon wasn't home, then he couldn't fight her on it, and he couldn't claim he was taking care of Hannah if he wasn't even with her.
Also, I think Kate hates the fact that Jon has been DJing for so long. She likes to see him painted as a deadbeat who can't hold a job, and seeing him keep the same job for 2+ years doesn't play into that image of him. So…she can't get him fired, so she claims that his DJ jobs are a cover for drug trafficking. She knows the sheeple will run with that, and state it as fact for years to come even though it's a lie.
In some states , a child can choose which parent they want to live with at age 14. Anyone know what age they can do that in PA?
The 24-hour protection (lol) tweet came on May 3, so this was well after we assume Hannah had already gone home (the kidnapping happened either April 23 or 24). Who knows what other delusions she was having when she tweeted? Once a drama queen, always a drama queen.
Also, I think Kate hates the fact that Jon has been DJing for so long. She likes to see him painted as a deadbeat who can't hold a job, and seeing him keep the same job for 2+ years doesn't play into that image of him.
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There's something more to it, I think. You know how she's been peddling that out and out lie that if she could do something else to support her kids other than filming, she would? But that filming is just the ONLY thing she can do to support them and she must exploit her children.
Jon has proven that there are many other jobs out there for them, many of them steady good work that can support you and the kids (more modestly, of course), none that involve exploiting the kids. It pisses her off every day he works one of those jobs and proves her wrong. She HATES to be wrong and hates it even more when Jon is the one to point it out.
The 24-hour protection (lol) tweet came on May 3, so this was well after we assume Hannah had already gone home (the kidnapping happened either April 23 or 24). Who knows what other delusions she was having when she tweeted? Once a drama queen, always a drama queen.
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Are you sure? The article I quoted on the previous page was dated May 3 but the article said the tweet was "sent last week"
In some states , a child can choose which parent they want to live with at age 14. Anyone know what age they can do that in PA?
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There is no minimum age in PA. A child must, however, have a valid reason for wanting to live with another parent. Just because one of the parents has a swimming pool, or buys expensive gifts isn't a reason. Kids as young as ten have chosen where to live.
The Pennsylvania Superior Court stated:
“The weight to be accorded a child’s preference varies with the age, maturity and intelligence of that child, together with the reasons given for the preference. Moreover, as children grow older, more weight must be given to the preference of the child.” Wheeler v. Mazur, 793 A.2d 929 (Pa. Super. 2002).
Most judges is more likely to consider a child’s choice if it’s based upon sound, mature reasons, versus a preference that seems to be based upon momentary whim or impulse.
Of course, much of the decision is still based on the parents. Courts will always look at things like their employment and living situations, geographic locations/ plans to relocate, or a history of substance abuse or violence. Pennsylvania’s family law is pretty similar to most other states in this regard.
So the short answer is, the older and more mature a child is, the more credence their opinion has in deciding custody, or who they will live with. But there is no set age where they are legally entitled to make a decision.
NJGal51 said... 42 GollyGee is right about that blue verification check. That's also why TFW never went private with her account because to do so would mean that she'd lose the verification check. To her (and apparently her followers), being verified validates her. Remember how hot Milo was to get her Instagram account verified?
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Yes, I knew that if you shut it down that you couldn't get the blue check and I had forgot if you went private that you lost it also.
This blog consists of one wildly speculative comment after another from both you and your posters. I love irony.
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Why don't you go and love it on your own playground and stop with the snide, snippy and rude comments? You must really have some angry issues going on, and the more you post, the more obvious it is with the "mean girl" syndrome coming out big time.
admin, do you have any idea as to the identity of the resident troll/sheeple poster? I'm 99.9 percent sure I know who it is, based on semantics, spelling, and linguistic forensics.
There is no specific age by law in PA for when a child can decide who to live with. The judge is supposed to figure out the reasons and the maturity of the kid and whatever else and determine what weight to give the child's opinion.
Oh it's the same general time-frame. This was probably when she was afraid Jon was going to be "hostile" toward her with his gun. Maybe after the emergency custody hearing to sort out all of the very very bad things Jon was doing that he wasn't aware of.
Oh sorry localyocul, and Layla. I thought the tweet was May 3. I could swear that there was an article out there that showed the actual tweet, but I can't find it now. Whatever the actual date, it was in the midst of her mega-meltdown over Hannah's break for freedom.
ell, ROL had the original tweet about protection, posted by Kate on May 1. So +/- a week after the big brouhaha.
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Sounds like the general timeline was Hannah defected to Jon, she waited it out a bit then involved the cops, giving them her litany of false allegations. They told her to go tell it to a fence post. At some point she screamed outside Jon's place for Hannah to come home (yes, wandering around psycho outside your ex's house definitely makes kids want to come home!). Somehow eventually Hannah got home. At some point I think someone told her she needed actual evidence against Jon. No one else would listen to her so then she went to the fans, DMing them trying to gather some info about what he was up to. Pathetic.
So crazy we now have some context for that accidental DM. It would be interesting to see some of our speculation from that time and see if anyone got close to reality. I'm sure it's somewhere in a post from around that timeframe.
Sometimes I wonder if TLC is snarking on Kate. Two posts on her page from today are about various types of spas ("You deserve to take time for yourself, you need it!") and "Red Wine-Spiked Hot Chocolate" ("This is our new favorite way to end the day"). These feel to me like they're mocking her. But then I don't think anyone over there has this kind of subtlety.
Susan1956 (#58), I bet TFW's jaw is still on the ground because no one wanted to interview her after the People article about C. Poor Schmoopy probably practiced her poke and dab for hours for nothing! And if that bombshell revelation about sending her son away didn't even get her a measly appearance on any of the entertainment news shows, I don't think this story is going to do it.
But as we've all learned with TFW, there always seems to be some opportunity for her to get her mug onscreen again. So, as she would say, no never means no.
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Sheepless In Seattle said... 85 This blog consists of one wildly speculative comment after another from both you and your posters. I love irony.
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So crazy we now have some context for that accidental DM. It would be interesting to see some of our speculation from that time and see if anyone got close to reality. I'm sure it's somewhere in a post from around that timeframe. **** I'm pretty sure there was speculation at the time that Kate was trying to catch Jon being negligent on his visitation time with the kids-trying to catch him at his DJ job and not having a sitter for the kids.
Why don't you go and love it on your own playground and stop with the snide, snippy and rude comments? You must really have some angry issues going on, and the more you post, the more obvious it is with the "mean girl" syndrome coming out big time. ******* Yup, someone needs a hug ;-)
. If Jon wasn't home, then he couldn't fight her on it, and he couldn't claim he was taking care of Hannah if he wasn't even with her.
***** I just posted the same thing ;-) and the irony is that Kate has left the kids with sitters and nannies on a regular basis. My gosh, when Robert was posted at the compound, she left for days and weeks a at a time, only to swoop in long enough to repack her bags before the next town car came to take her away again. While the kids looked on crying. This isn't speculation on Robert's part. He documented it first hand.
pym said... I don't agree that it would have been a terrible thing for Hannah to speak to the police and the judge. She has seen, heard, and endured that crazy household all her life and by running to her father was letting her voice be heard. The policeman and the judge probably got a pent-up earful. I'm betting she is a whole lot tougher than we have been lead to believe.
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My issue isn't with Hannah having to speak before a judge. I think they all should. My issue was with Hannah having to be confronted about an inappropriate relationship with her dad and answer questions about that. A little girl should never have to be put in that position by a mother with a vendetta against their father.
This isn't about a child being abused by her dad and having the chance to tell. It's about a child NOT being abused by her dad and now having to look at her relationship with her dad and think about every time he kissed her or hugged her or touched her or gave her a bath, etc.
A little girl shouldn't have to have that stuff going on in her innocent little brain when such a natural and loving relationship with her daddy gets turned into something sordid by her own mother.
It's a little bit of a stretch for TFW to paint a picture of a drunk, stoned, skirt-chasing ex dealing drugs at high school graduation gigs and prom parties. I can't even bear to include the molestation accusation -- I have no words for that.
But did America's Favorite Mom forget she was filmed drinking at home before going out to a bar? Then drinking some more and getting her foot licked at a bar by a stranger? Then waking up with a hangover? There's nothing horrific about any of that, but as role model for 5 young girls (not to mention 3 young boys), is that the kind of behavior she would like them to see?
Do you know what's really ironic? Who has really put this kid at more risk of sexual abuse? How quickly Kate forgets there was an editor of her show who was locked away for child pornography. She need look no farther than herself and who she has chosen to expose her kids, and their footage, to. Yet there she is banging the pots and pans about Jon.
So crazy we now have some context for that accidental DM. It would be interesting to see some of our speculation from that time and see if anyone got close to reality. I'm sure it's somewhere in a post from around that timeframe.
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IIRC we were speculating that she was trying to DM that cop friend of hers.
Kate also explained that the need for Steve came out of some guy on a tv set wanting to hold her kids on his lap. Kate and Jon have put their kids at risk for a lot of things, but Kate of course just won't stop. Kate also wanted sympathy for having her van vandalized in her driveway. Well, hon, time to get your family off tv. \ But hey, you can always put tape over your kid's name on the backpack. That'll protect them.
Tucker's Mom said... 94 Kate also explained that the need for Steve came out of some guy on a tv set wanting to hold her kids on his lap. ____
IIRC, she put out that explanation long after she'd been seen traveling around solo with Steve and people were questioning it. I don't really believe it---it's possible that someone did want to hold a kid, certainly, but that doesn't explain why Steve is always with her while the kids stay home with nannies.
So this article appeared on my FB wall late last night. Of course our girl Kate's lack of dance skills landed her a spot on the list--she's #3--but what I found interesting was the claim that she tried to return for season 15.
I don't watch DWTS on a regular basis, but has anyone ever been on twice? Did she promise them she'd do better? Behave? Practice? The producers must have laughed their heads off and the male dancers thanked their stars when they turned her down.
A little girl shouldn't have to have that stuff going on in her innocent little brain when such a natural and loving relationship with her daddy gets turned into something sordid by her own mother.
Kate is evil. **** Falsely accusing a father of molesting his own child is pure evil. Even if Hannah never knew what her mother accused her father of, she will now because her mother refuses to pull herself out of the spotlight. I have never understood how Kate justifies all the bad that comes along with her fame and money.
Really, how can TLC touch this with a 10-foot pole?
IIRC, she put out that explanation long after she'd been seen traveling around solo with Steve and people were questioning it. I don't really believe it---it's possible that someone did want to hold a kid, certainly, but that doesn't explain why Steve is always with her while the kids stay home with nannies. **** Oh, exactly. Kate's story for needing Steve attached to her side has always changed. It's for the kids. No, it's for me. It's for the kids. No, what if something happened to me? It's for meeeeeeeeee.
I don't watch DWTS on a regular basis, but has anyone ever been on twice? Did she promise them she'd do better? Behave? Practice? The producers must have laughed their heads off and the male dancers thanked their stars when they turned her down.
http://www.fame10.com/entertainment/9-dancing-with-the-stars-contestants-who-should-never-have-been-cast/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=FT_FBK_ZZ_BOTH&utm_content=boosting ****** Yes, there was an "all stars" season. IIRC, Pam Anderson and Kirsty Ally took part. I thought Kate would definitely have tried to get back on. No doubt. I never thought it would happen. Tony would have to double his hazard pay. But, Kate had her eye on Maks, because her failure was all Tony's fault, natch.
@Tucker's Mom Yeah i remember when the fans started blaming tony and saying he was so nasty to Kate.Yet they had an uproar when Jon got offered on.Such as this tweet by msgoody when she was trying to get BV involved. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLHriXoWwAEV-hj.png
When the All-Star DWTS was being cast, Kate said she would absolutely do it "for my kids". (Translation: "For me to have the opportunity to get away from my kids. With Steve.") But she wasn't cast.
When do you ever see an accusation made by someone like a celebrity, and we know she is not, in the tabloids and they publish the MINOR CHILD's picture in the tabloid??
That is just pure disgusting. I hope Jon sues her for defamation, slander and if it could be proven that she sold the info to the Daily Mail, or was even involved in it, I hope Jon adds them along for the ride, also.
Layla said... 103 When the All-Star DWTS was being cast, Kate said she would absolutely do it "for my kids". (Translation: "For me to have the opportunity to get away from my kids. With Steve.") But she wasn't cast.
****** What kid wants their mother gone for a month? Oh, that's right, Kate would take the red eye right back home after the shows on Monday...
When do you ever see an accusation made by someone like a celebrity, and we know she is not, in the tabloids and they publish the MINOR CHILD's picture in the tabloid??
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One of the tabloids showed a picture of Alexis, not Hannah.
That is just pure disgusting. I hope Jon sues her for defamation, slander and if it could be proven that she sold the info to the Daily Mail, or was even involved in it, I hope Jon adds them along for the ride, also. ***** Not a lawyer, but I don't think it qualifies since Kate told the police of her suspicions, and that's private. It would be different if she sat on Wend William's couch and said she thought Jon's relationship with Hannah was inappropriate.
What exactly is an "inappropriate" relationship? Does that necessarily mean sex abuse, or could it be that she was suggesting the two of them smoked pot together, or whatever? Just asking...
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Blowing In The Wind said... 108 What exactly is an "inappropriate" relationship? Does that necessarily mean sex abuse, or could it be that she was suggesting the two of them smoked pot together, or whatever? Just asking... ****** The blurb from the police report was vague, but I htink most people would infer that Kate was suggesting something physical.
The irony is that Jon's relationship is the one that's appropriate on every level, especially the physical one.
TFW leaving her 8 kids for a solid month to do Celebrity Apprentice spoke volumes about her devotion to them. It must drive her crazy that her "one week home, one week away" fantasy lifestyle has come to an end, and she's stuck in the house with her 8 little moneymakers.
Here's a really old memory. The tups were still toddlers, and in one of the couch interviews, TFW talked about how hard it was to connect with each one of her children individually because life was so busy. She said something like, she thinks at the end of the day, did she have any meaningful interaction with J that day? And at the time I was a fan, and found that to be a poignant realization. Yet she was able to leave that little boy, along with his 7 siblings -- not that long after the divorce she said traumatized all of them -- for a month while she played a celebrity on TV. I'm sure she picked up a nice salary. But was it worth losing a month of her children's lives?
Kate LOVES being paid to travel with Steve, and going all first class. No kids, no worries, getting waited on hand and foot with her Purse Boy. She just lives like she doesn't have kids, unless there's an emergency and someone contacts her. What mother doesn't call or video chat with their kids everyday when they're away?
The mother of eight “said that she detects suspicious behavior between Jonathan and their…daughter,” an officer wrote in the April 2015 report, first exposed by In Touch Weekly this week.
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A source close to Jon, 39, vehemently denied the waiter/deejay ever dealt drugs— or acted in an unacceptable manner around his little girl.
“That’s just gross to suggest,” am outraged friend of the retired reality star slammed to Radar. “It sounds like Kate is making up stories again.”
Another source close to the family told Radar that while some of the children, including 16-year-old twins Cara and Mady, have turned their backs on Jon, Hannah remains loyal to her father.
That is just pure disgusting. I hope Jon sues her for defamation, slander and if it could be proven that she sold the info to the Daily Mail, or was even involved in it, I hope Jon adds them along for the ride, also. ***** Not a lawyer, but I don't think it qualifies since Kate told the police of her suspicions, and that's private. It would be different if she sat on Wend William's couch and said she thought Jon's relationship with Hannah was inappropriate.
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You're right. Of course it's no longer private. Had she been interviewed by the media and she said that he's a drug dealer, or he's abusing the kids in any way, then I would think that he had grounds for a lawsuit. But just because a tabloid found the police report, and "other sources" have come forward, then I don't think he has any standing in a lawsuit.
I am sure that one of Kate's main interests in returning to DWTS is the salary. Isn't it something like $125,000 with bonuses for being on many weeks? That along with a hotel with Steve and some pampering. But definitely the money.
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Kate, that's called parent/child love. Yes, it must look very strange to you: no screeching, manipulating, controlling, no film crew, no posing for fake photos for IG. Just love, a father and daughter enjoying being together.
I wonder if Jon would have a lawsuit if it could be proved that TFW was DMing her accusations to her minions. MIlo has always hinted that she knows more than she's letting on and that DM that TFW tweeted was clearly meant for her minions.
IIRC we were speculating that she was trying to DM that cop friend of hers. ======== I'd forgotten about that. If something like that could be proved and a cop was helping her by using his official status to get info the shit would really hit the fan. Let's hope it was only speculation.
Defamation only requires that the slanderous statements be "published". These statements were published obviously. So that begs the question what if you made the statements thinking they were going to be kept just between you and the cops and the investigation? And then due to your fame, the media digs them up and publishes them? In other words, do you have to have a reasonable expectation your statement would be published, or do surprise publications qualify too? Where's Tuma??!
I found a couple of articles (Radar and Starcasm) saying that Hannah complained of cruelty during an April 23, 2015 visit with Jon. That was a Thursday which doesn't go with our speculation of Tues vs Wed. However Thurs would really explain why Kate was freaking out if they were scheduled to film that weekend. All the articles say Hannah was with Jon for 4 days before coming home. They also agree with a hearing with the judge that next Mon. The "protection mode" tweet was definitely May 1. That could have been Jon's regular custody weekend if we assume he had Hannah the weekend before as a non-custody time. She desperately wanted evidence that he was neglecting the kids while DJing.
My personal speculation is that Kate changes around custody at will just to screw with Jon. The kids are busy Tues, come get them Thurs. If Jon says he's busy Thurs he must not love his kids. And I still say that regardless of custody days, what do you do as a father when your daughter calls begging you to help her.
Also as I recall correctly publication is pretty liberal and you don't have to publish in the New York Times. A defamatory statement written on toilet paper is publication as long as you tack it up on a public wall.
It seems to me impossible that this story will not be making its way around the school those kids attend. Regardless of the fact that there's no truth in it, inevitably people will be curious and may even start to treat the kids (and Jon, to the extent he is involved there) differently. All because one vengeful b***h wasn't getting her own way for five minutes. I wish he could sue her, but I doubt that's possible. So suffering falls on 9 innocents because of one selfish brat.
In other words, do you have to have a reasonable expectation your statement would be published, or do surprise publications qualify too? Where's Tuma??! ***** With FOIA, is that a reasonable expectation for someone who lives their life in the public eye? Who has commodified her divorce, acrimony and family discord into a revenue stream?
She desperately wanted evidence that he was neglecting the kids while DJing. ***** Exactly. Kate decries her motherly gut instinct, but really, she's out of control when Jon has custody, and it drives her around the bend.
Yes, there was an "all stars" season. IIRC, Pam Anderson and Kirsty Ally took part. I thought Kate would definitely have tried to get back on. No doubt. I never thought it would happen. Tony would have to double his hazard pay. But, Kate had her eye on Maks, because her failure was all Tony's fault, natch. ******************************* Thanks, Tucker's Mom. I had forgotten about that. Both Pam & Kirsty have more class in their pinkie toe than Kate does in her whole body. I'm sure she expected to be welcomed back with open arms since she was such a 'big stah' and would use that to introduce Makes to America as she did Tony. Also,IIRC wasn't she guaranteed a certain number of episodes?
Sad but true (#123), and this whole thing proves what I've said all along: TFW hates Jon more than she loves her kids.
With Radar picking up the story, aren't we due for some more Insta puppy nonsense from TFW? Or she may be off on one of her spa trips. You know, the ones the kids help pay for, that make her a better mommy.
It must have stung when they turned her down. _____
Even worse, she wasn't on TV at the time (fall 2012), so I bet she was really lobbying hard for it. A month-plus away in LA with Stevie-boy? All the press? All the swag? Yeah, that had to hurt.
Susan1956 (#126), sadly, I think it's a tie for TFW about which she likes most: the money, or being away from her kids. She has taken every possible opportunity for more than a decade to tell the planet how very hard it is to have 8 kids. And if it was difficult when they were manageable little robots, whom she could control with strict rules and beatings, how awful is it now that they are teenagers and preteens, each with different schedules and desires and needs she is expected to manage?
Oh, I forgot -- only 7 kids at home now. Whew. Not nearly as hard as 8. And I can't help but think at least 3 of the ones remaining worry on the regular that they might be the next to go.
I remember when she was on DWTS she was so full of herself that she grabbed the mic from someone that was interviewing her and told him that someday "I'll own this mic!" 👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻(Waving at Kate)...how'd that work out for you?!
I wonder if Kate realizes that normal parents don't have to take to twitter to try to track down what their ex is up to on their custody time. Normal parents can have a discussion with their ex and ASK. Whacha up to this weekend, ya working? Who'll be with the kids?
And vice versa, Jon should be able to talk to her about who she leaves the kids with on her time. It shouldn't be this darn difficult. Ultimately all her hate creates a heck of a lot more work and stress on everyone including herself.
And in fact, it was a question submitted and asked by an audience member.
****** I think this is Kate's chosen vocation. Seriously. She has no career and a whole lot of time on her hands, so hating Jon and destroying his bond with his children has become her raison d'etre.
. . . I'm sure she picked up a nice salary. But was it worth losing a month of her children's lives? _____
Is that a rhetorical question? Because ya KNOW, she does it ALL for THEM.
I don't know what happened (or what she THINKS happened) in her childhood to have made her such a nasty piece of work, but it's very sad that everyone around her has to pay (and pay and pay) for it. And it's really too bad she won't get the professional help she so clearly needs.
Nanny (BITW) 109: "Joe Fox (Tom Hanks) to Dabney Coleman (Nelson Fox), "You've Got Mail" -- "That's incredibly ironic.""
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lol, Nanny Maureen! One of my favorite movies. I watched it last night. Amazingly ironic, and the timing of the troll's post couldn't have been more perfect. Too funny!
NJ (131): "I remember when she was on DWTS she was so full of herself that she grabbed the mic from someone that was interviewing her and told him that someday "I'll own this mic!" 👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻(Waving at Kate)...how'd that work out for you?!"
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Was that DWTS? I thought it was when she was a host or something on ET? I don't know...everything kind of blends together after a while.
I don't know what happened (or what she THINKS happened) in her childhood to have made her such a nasty piece of work, but it's very sad that everyone around her has to pay (and pay and pay) for it. And it's really too bad she won't get the professional help she so clearly needs. ***** Kate has a HUGE chip on her shoulder because her parents didn't give her the childhood she deserved.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 117 Also as I recall correctly publication is pretty liberal and you don't have to publish in the New York Times. A defamatory statement written on toilet paper is publication as long as you tack it up on a public wall.
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Oh, Admin, how funny! I keep seeing a community bulletin board on the wall of a gas station bathroom!
This made me think of a local sheriff's office weekly tv show that has a dumb criminal's spot. When it comes on they show a cartoon criminal in stripes with his eyes crossed and the voice over is a man screaming,
Lynne in RI - I really have no idea when it was because, you're right, everything blends together. I just assumed that it was during DWTS because she was at the height of her media whoredom then.
NJGal51 said... 118 I wonder if Jon would have a lawsuit if it could be proved that TFW was DMing her accusations to her minions. MIlo has always hinted that she knows more than she's letting on and that DM that TFW tweeted was clearly meant for her minions.
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What if this was true and TFW told a few select fans things like this and tell them not to tell anyone, pinkie swear and all that, because we know her maturity level to keep them mad as hell at Jon and that would just love her more!
Because she is a single-mom doing it all alone in the big, bad world.
@GollyGee Aside from Milo giving hints,didn't msgoody give a hint about how she got Kate's DM and Kate reply back acting like she had no idea what she was talking about?If the belief Kate DM her most loyal fans is true could she of been playing dumb with that reply to msgoody to make people think she doesn't DM fans?I still hold on that its weird of Jamie to act like a friend to Milo with all the commets on milo's IG pictures.
Tucker's Mom said... 138 I don't know what happened (or what she THINKS happened) in her childhood to have made her such a nasty piece of work, but it's very sad that everyone around her has to pay (and pay and pay) for it. And it's really too bad she won't get the professional help she so clearly needs. ***** Kate has a HUGE chip on her shoulder because her parents didn't give her the childhood she deserved.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 144 I don't think it's her childhood. She is mentally ill. October 21, 2016 at 5:37 PM ***** And she's convinced herself that all the money she's gotten from using her kids and making them work offsets how horrible her childhood was, since she's giving them everything on a silver platter.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 147 I don't think it's her childhood. She is mentally ill.
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I'm with you on that one.
Is she really giving them everything on a silver platter, or is she the one who wants that platter filled for herself and is using the kids as her excuse for her own selfish greed?
jamezvader1194 said... 143 @GollyGee Aside from Milo giving hints,didn't msgoody give a hint about how she got Kate's DM and Kate reply back acting like she had no idea what she was talking about?If the belief Kate DM her most loyal fans is true could she of been playing dumb with that reply to msgoody to make people think she doesn't DM fans?I still hold on that its weird of Jamie to act like a friend to Milo with all the commets on milo's IG pictures.
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Yes, I think you have something there. TFW would play dumb to throw people off. How she keeps everything that is going in that head of hers all straight is amazing.
Is she really giving them everything on a silver platter, or is she the one who wants that platter filled for herself and is using the kids as her excuse for her own selfish greed?
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I assume that's a rhetorical question. Of course this is not about the kids, has never been about the kids, will never be about the kids. The kids were and are her mechanism to get what she and only she wants. Jon threw a wrench in that, and he will never be forgiven and will be punished by her for it until her dying day. That's all the mental illness.
The thing is, the kids are going to realize all this someday. Likely someday soon. And then she's going to be without some or all of the kids, who will want nothing to do with her.
'So what this (robbery) shows is the importance of evaluating your risk profile, whether you're a company, whether you're an individual, and saying, 'How much risk am I exposing myself to?''
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Completely agree with Tuma, that being said, he better brace for the rape culture crowd. Personal responsibility is out the window these days, you can say yes then later claim you really meant NO, and no one is ever accountable for their actions or choices or words. Watch out, Tuma.
Is she really giving them everything on a silver platter, or is she the one who wants that platter filled for herself and is using the kids as her excuse for her own selfish greed? ***** Ding, ding, ding! Kate wields those kids as a shield and a cudgel.
Kate has a HUGE chip on her shoulder because her parents didn't give her the childhood she deserved.
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When you're 14, most kids think your parents should give you more. Then you grow up and realize they did the best that they could and that the shit you wanted at 14 you didn't really need after all and that, gasp, shit costs money, lots of it, and you can't afford shit for your kids either so you get it now.
The problem is she is still 14 and still pissed she didn't get to see Disneyworld over winter break like her rich friend from Spanish class. Whatever is wrong with her mentally, it's arresting her at age 14. I feel sorry for her parents. I'm sure they did the best that they could.
The problem is she is still 14 and still pissed she didn't get to see Disneyworld over winter break like her rich friend from Spanish class. Whatever is wrong with her mentally, it's arresting her at age 14. I feel sorry for her parents. I'm sure they did the best that they could. October 21, 2016 at 7:16 PM **** If Charlene really did come to Kate's defense, posting on some websites (also dissing Jodi, wtf?), then bless her pea-pickin' heart. Kate throws her parents under the bus every damn chance she gets. If she can somehow connect something in the present to how they failed her in the past, she's going to do it.
If Charlene really did come to Kate's defense, posting on some websites (also dissing Jodi, wtf?), then bless her pea-pickin' heart. Kate throws her parents under the bus every damn chance she gets. If she can somehow connect something in the present to how they failed her in the past, she's going to do it.
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Even abused children grow up and develop some understanding about their parents. Not that abuse is ever excused, but adult children start to realize well my parents were abused themselves as kids, or it was because of the depression or alcohol, or they never had good parents to model and show them good parenting. Adult kids will develop some understanding and do tend to be able to forgive and move on.
The fact that she's still whining on and on about her parents at her age is pathetic. At that age no matter what the deal is with your parents, most people move on. Healthy ones anyway. Get some therapy, and move on. There's a lot of life ahead.
PA Dutch Mom said... 149 Is she really giving them everything on a silver platter, or is she the one who wants that platter filled for herself and is using the kids as her excuse for her own selfish greed? _____
Again: rhetorical question? I think the answer is obvious to anyone who's observed this woman over nearly 10 years of public exposure.
No one on Kate's IG tonight, but Milo has posted another of her platitudes (the trenchant Steve Maraboli this time) which I think fits Kate to a tee:
"There are some people whose turbulent waves of behaviors will drown you no matter how well you think you can swim."
If this doesn't describe exactly how Kate's "turbulent waves of behaviors" are impacting her kids, I don't know what does. If she's trying to imply that this is JON, we all know that is simply not true. Whatever his faults, he doesn't seem subject to turbulent waves of anything. Kate, on the other hand? There are literally hundreds of hours of video proof, and that's just counting what's been aired on TV. I can't imagine what's been left out. What about all the screaming that goes on in Kate's house, Milo, and with none other than her "employee" Steve? Are you calling Hannah a liar? Would you really go there for your precious Kate?
Are you calling Hannah a liar? Would you really go there for your precious Kate?
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Of course they would, but that does make the good point that I think this is the very first time they've had to really choose between Kate or the kids and it's not just rumors. This is a police report, and they documented what Kate said and what Hannah said, and Hannah's version is vastly different. So who do you believe?
The kid of course, over the mentally ill psychopath. But what will the sheeple do?
They'll pick Kate and I bet they'll blame Hannah too for "causing" this.
By the way the fact that Kate used the word "between" when describing Hannah and Jon is really sick. Inappropriate behavior "between" them instead of inappropriate behavior against Hannah or to Hannah. Between, as if Hannah is consenting or something. What is going on in that pea brain??? What kind of scenarios spin up there?
Remember the Red Wine-Spiked Hot Chocolate TLC posted on K8's page? Apparently, a number of the people who comment there believe that it is really Kate making these posts. Here's a prime example:
XXXXXX Surprised to see this wine from this family with 8 kids,not stating who is drinking it,just our drink,Im sure just Kate but she sais our drink?????
With this sort of group as the audience, I guess it's no wonder TLC continues to throw crap on the screen and call it a show. Mind blown.
Shawn Tuma is talking about the problems created with social media.
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I understand that, but how much personal responsibility one bears when something bad happens is all the same issue.
I think Kardashian's openness on social media directly caused the crime. But if Kardashian was raped, I would not be allowed to say she never should have been so open on social media. It doesn't mean one should ever be hurt or deserves to be hurt, it is simply an observation about certain things one can do to ensure they are not exposed to undue risk.
That's freaking nonsense. Take responsibility for yourself and your safety.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 161 . . . By the way the fact that Kate used the word "between" when describing Hannah and Jon is really sick. Inappropriate behavior "between" them instead of inappropriate behavior against Hannah or to Hannah. Between, as if Hannah is consenting or something. What is going on in that pea brain??? What kind of scenarios spin up there? _______
Maybe she means, Hannah's not sticking to the script and that must be Jon's influence on her. She may not even have been going for sexual abuse (though of course that is how it was taken), she may have been trying to say the behavior was "suspicious" because it's not what Mommy has demanded from Hannah.
As far as who the sheeple blame for this, of course it will be Jon's fault. They'll say he put her up to it. It could never ever ever be Katie's fault. Except for, well, there were those times she beat the crap out of Collin et al., but that was TEN years ago, and who's going to hold that against her. Baa baa baa.
I understand that, but how much personal responsibility one bears when something bad happens is all the same issue. ______________
I believe that the term rape culture is used in a very specific way. It's a term first used by the feminists in their heyday. I don't find it to be a broad term that should be used to describe the general shirking of one's responsibilities.
And then there's ego-based social media, and the problems is had created, which is a whole other issue that could be discussed for eons (and no doubt will).
@Tucker's Mom (157) TBH I don't believe that was her mother,after that whole thing,she went dark and never came back up,she has never defended Kate against Jon or Kendra or any of the people who've came foward and told everyone how she is.Why come out one time to throw your son and daughter in law under the bus?Some of Kate's fans suggest that they didn't speak out again due to fear of harassment but every time someone comes up negatively of Kate,they've gotten harass by fans.
I think we're way off field on this one. Rape culture does not mean you have no responsibility in your life. And it doesn't mean saying yes and then changing your mind to no weeks later. Rape culture has to do with rape being excused because how can a man be expected to resist a woman walking around in a mini skirt, how can we punish a man for giving in to temptation, teaching women to avoid being raped rather than teaching men not to rape (or vice versa on the sexes or same sex), continuing to treat women as objects not people.
But I really don't believe Kate's problems even have that much to do with our current culture or the times we live in. Narcissism has existed forever (with various names probably). She would have found ways to express herself without reality tv if it had been 20 years earlier. My grandmother found a way.
Jeanne said... 169 "Rape culture has to do with rape being excused because how can a man be expected to resist a woman walking around in a mini skirt, how can we punish a man for giving in to temptation, teaching women to avoid being raped rather than teaching men not to rape (or vice versa on the sexes or same sex), continuing to treat women as objects not people." _________________
That's correct. The term is a very specific one and you've defined what it means.
"But I really don't believe Kate's problems even have that much to do with our current culture or the times we live in." __________________
The term rape culture wasn't used to define Kate's actions. It was used to define what happened to Kim Kardashian being robbed. That's why I included the link in my comment--to try and show the context in which the term was being used.
I believe that the term rape culture is used in a very specific way. It's a term first used by the feminists in their heyday. I don't find it to be a broad term that should be used to describe the general shirking of one's responsibilities.
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I agree. Unfortunately some people have taken it just as far as that and further. Which is a real insult to people who have been hurt through no fault of their own. The Apprentice woman's story was the most glaring example of it, in which she flirted and engaged and interacted with Trump, multiple, multiple times, appearing to create a real open door for him to make the next move. Then the second he made a pass, creepy as it was, she's mad and she's (the media's) calling it assault. Okay then.
I did notice that story faded away right quick. Oops.
As far as who the sheeple blame for this, of course it will be Jon's fault.
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Yes, it's all Jon's fault. It was his fault to pick Hannah up from school on a day that wasn't his custody day, although that who custody thing is unclear. By picking he up, he annoyed Kate! For shame. You see if Jon would only fade away, Kate wouldn't have to go into these rages!
And it's Jon's fault that the latest stories have emerged, because he can't pay his rent and has to continually sell stories to the rag mags, even if the story puts him in a terrible light, insinuating he's acted inappropriately with his daughter. And IF Jon didn't sell the story he PAID one of his friends to sell it.
There's even one sheeple who says the cruelty Hannah talked about was actually the cruelty by Jon! Yep.
Jon makes Kate the crappy, screeching, demanding, controlling, manipulating lying mother than she is
Thinking ahead to Halloween, and wondering if Ms. Desperation might pony up for some costumes for the new puppies. If you're gonna deflect, you might as well go all out. Oh, the flurry of excitement on Instagram that would ensue. And Gladys would need sedation.
#Mak is bak. Short-leash or leash-free? Unless the leash is invisible, it must be the latter. Learn to use your words, Kate.
kateplusmy8 Here's my Mak! I'm letting him have a short leash free jaunt! He's not limping and has been resting his injured 'ankle' like a good boy so we decided to pop a ball and have some other fun today! #Mak ❤️🐶❤️
Sad but true said... 175 #Mak is bak. Short-leash or leash-free? Unless the leash is invisible, it must be the latter. Learn to use your words, Kate. ________
If she'd typed, "short, leash-free jaunt." the comma after short would have eliminated confusion.
Just read an excellent Op-Ed in the Oct. 21 Los Angeles Times by Henry Weinstein entitled, "In the Nixon-Humphrey election, I refused to vote for the 'lesser of two evils' - That was a mistake".
Sheep need to get a life and stop their delusional bleating. Jon did not sell the story. Jon did not pay someone to leak the story. Jon is not happy about the whole thing. Enough said.
Well, its quite interesting how the sheeple have reacted to this news. It's Jon's fault, of course. He's the one who released this to the media according to them. No mention of the fact that Kate LIED to the police about very serious matters but that Jon had to be the one to release this to the media. What a crock of s*it. And then they go on to list every detail that THEY claim Jon has done and all of it is against Kate. They claim Kate is not their queen but she is, make no mistake, she. Nary a mention of all the nastiness Kate is guilty of. Disgusting.
PA Dutch Mom said... 179 Sheep need to get a life and stop their delusional bleating. Jon did not sell the story. Jon did not pay someone to leak the story. Jon is not happy about the whole thing. Enough said. ======== Thank you PA Dutch Mom. If only the sheeple would listen to those that really know the score.
kateplusmy8 Here's my Mak! I'm letting him have a short leash free jaunt! He's not limping and has been resting his injured 'ankle' like a good boy so we decided to pop a ball and have some other fun today! #Mak ❤️🐶❤️ ======== Why pop (ruin) a ball? Just give him one of those damn chickens that she seems to have never ending supply of.
Kylie said... 180 Well, its quite interesting how the sheeple have reacted to this news. It's Jon's fault, of course. He's the one who released this to the media according to them. _________
Do the sheeple say what he was waiting for, LOL? Jon could have released this over a year ago, because surely he's known about it since he had to go to court to have his custody re-affirmed. He could have told Steve Harvey all about it. It is pretty clear that this info was NOT released by Jon. I am going with the theory that InTouch went the FOIA route, as they did with the Duggars, because I see no reason why Jon would want any info out there that would surely cause pain and embarrassment to his daughter. I could sooner see Kate releasing this than Jon.
@Deliverence I've seen Kate fans say Jon brainwash the kids to not go to Kate's that one video of them crying in the van.Of course none of them have ever gave the thought of Kate brainwashing her twin daughters to hate their father,badmouth him and praise them for doing it.To the Kate supporter who comes here to argue,answer this,has Jon ever praise his children whenever they said something negative about their mother?Has Jon ever put his kids on PEOPLE magazine and have his kids talk about the kind of relationship they have with their mother?Funny i don't ever remembering anywhere of Jon ever putting his kids on a media outlet and have them bash their mother.
Instead of deflecting, making a futile attempt at damage control and blaming Jon, the sheeple should just zip it and say nothing. The crazy things they come up with just makes them look more simple-minded than they already are. Why draw attention to it?
The sheeple need to get a grip and use the few brain cells they have and think about this. No matter how vile they believe Jon to be, do they honestly think that he would put this out there, that Jon would want Hannah's classmates and peers at school to look at her and wonder if she and her father had an 'inappropriate' relationship? Come on!
I'll play Devil's Advocate with the sheep. Let's say, for shits and giggles, that Jon decided to make the police report public, more than a year after the fact and at a time where, by his social media accounts, he is busy with his DJ career, happy with his gf and continuing to see the children of his which choose to visit. In other words, in a word, "why". Why? And why now? Let me make another point. But for the fact that Kate accused Jon of kidnapping, selling drugs and having a suspicious/inappropriate relationship with Hannah, no report would exist. What do you think of them apples? If Kate hadn't lost her shit because Hannah wanted to stay with her father for a few days, citing discord in Kate's home, this would not have even been a police report or involvement. The sheep have no capacity for critical thought. The egregious and deplorable nature of these acts which Jon was accused of by Kate should only be brought to bear if there is a preponderance of evidence to support them, not when Kate is reeling and raging, screaming for Hannah in the street. Accusing a parent of what Kate did, without believing sincerely that the accusations are true, after much thought, consideration, evidence and a forthright effort to communicate with said parent, is a bridge too far. Jon, as far as I know, has not been found to be responsible for any of these things. There's no way on God's green earth he would have unsupervised, overnight visitation with his kids if he did.
So, my thought for the sheep and their ridiculous finger pointing is this; If Jon did leak the report, and I don't think he did, what do you tell yourself to make you think it's ok for Kate to have leveled such heinous charges against the father of her children, particularly considering the timing? Do you think it was exactly the same time that Hannah initiated her choice, her begging, to stay with her father? C'mon. Think about it and be honest with yourselves. The bottom line is that if you think Jon "needed rent money", then what did Kate need when she accused him of kidnapping, selling drugs and having a suspicious and/or inappropriate relationship with his daughter? My guess? She needed that child present and accounted for in order to film. Or maybe Kate just loathes the idea of Jon having more than his court-ordered time with his kids, even if they are BEGGING to stay.
It makes zero sense for Jon to leak the report. What if people actually believe the allegations? That's scary for someone accused of such things even if there's not an ounce of truth to it.
All that said, I don't know what the sheep don't understand about the fact that WHO leaked the report is a separate issue, and that for some people, an irrelevant one.
If the timeline is as it sounds like it was, it sounds like the closer they got to the filming date, the more anxious Kate got to get Hannah back. It was all fun and games when they weren't filming the next day. As filming loomed, she got more desperate.
So following that thread, she was even willing to trot out allegations of sexual abuse as long as it would return her meal ticket. Very, very sick.
At least the first of the latest Trump women weren't setting up dates with him at his apartment before accusing him of touching her.
The second one absolutely gave him her number and went to his apartment, much like many of the other accusers.
By the way, there's a new Bill Clinton accuser, naturally not getting any airtime, and it's really disgusting, and unlike most of the Trump accusers, there's no room for interpretation that they were giving off a message they were consenting. In contrast, he showed up to HER workplace instead of inviting her back to his. He forced himself into her editing bay, and he assault her and climaxed. This occurred on three different occasions. Later, he showed up at her apartment, instead of the other way around. Thankfully she took some responsibility for her safety and refused to let him in, thank god. Her persisted with his knocking and calling to her for TEN MINUTES! I'd be terrified. I don't know why he's not arrested for sex assault and carted away in handcuffs.
All that said, I don't know what the sheep don't understand about the fact that WHO leaked the report is a separate issue, and that for some people, an irrelevant one. ____________
It's their way to avoid the obvious. They can bleat about Jon selling the story with no regard how Hannah would feel about her privacy being invaded and having her picture all over the rag mags because he doesn't care about her feelings.
What's funny though is when Kate made the announcement in People, there wasn't a word from them about Collin's privacy being invaded or HIS picture all over the rag mags.
And of course, they couldn't blame Jon for selling the story, so their deflection was to say the non-fans were treating the incident as if having behavior problems was something to be ashamed of.
I tend to think it was just a FOIA request nothing more nothing less.
If I were a sheep though, I would think to myself you can't rule out that Kate leaked this.
There's always a possibility Kate leaked the report. In her mentally ill mind, she might not realize that most people are going to read it and label her the psycho one. She might actually think she was completely justified in her outrage, and that if she made the accusations she did, there must be some truth behind them. I don't think she has any understanding of the way people have decided her actions are insanity.
As I said above, I find it impossible to believe that Jon would publicly volunteer the details of this report, I don't think he would ever embarrass/ stigmatize his child like that. And as Admin pointed out, even though it's not true, it could have a negative impact on his life and career.
But you know who would? The same woman who stood out in the street screaming for her child to come out, neighbors be damned (was that better, smarter, more effective than a phone call to Jon?). The same woman who was all smiles and happy-family on the cover of a national magazine in which she announced to the world that her son had had to be sent away from home. What prompted her in both cases? Her future filming career. Because these are NOT things that can happen---unless carefully controlled, packaged, and broadcast by Kate and Kate alone---in GosselinLand. She is so desperate to hold on to her pathetic little show that the sacrifice and/or humiliation of one or more of her kids means nothing. And she's got a plan for the future, kids or no kids: She'll just keep adding puppies.
By the way, there's a new Bill Clinton accuser, naturally not getting any airtime, $$$$$$ Bill Clinton isn't running for president, which might explain why simwthing alleged to have happened 36 years ago isn't getting major coverage.
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You've regurgitated the party line. Pay no attention to this, he's not running for president. It's not the media intentionally ignoring it, it's just not objectively relevant. Bullshit.
You conveniently leave out that we're not talking about Jimmy Carter here. Hilary is his WIFE, and her entire campaign is trying to bring down their opponent based on some similar if not much less serious encounters with women. Do you not see the problem here? She's MARRIED to the biggest womanizer in politics, thus she directly condones such behavior. Moreover, she accused anyone who tried to take issue with her husband's deplorable behavior towards women as part of a vast right wing conspiracy. Now that the shoe is on the other foot suddenly it's a problem. I've never seen such pearl clutching hypocrisy. Either this behavior is a problem or it's not. You can't have it both ways.
As far as your 30 years comment, don't forget the latest interns to come out worked for the Clinton Foundation, and were talking about his completely inappropriate advances, including foot rubbing, that occurred only in the past couple years. Very recent and incredibly alarming.
By the way, Cosby's not running for president. How come he got lots of airtime, but Clinton's sexual assaults warrant nothing more than a footnote?
The media is in the Clinton's pocket and they don't even try to hide it. The only ridiculous part of this is that their supporters deny it. It's in the wiki leaks how much the media coddles them. It's very detailed. Here's just one of many gems: a reporter Glenn Thrush at Politico asked the campaign to review his story prior to publication and asked them not to tell anyone he was asking them. This is not a theory, folks. It's PROVEN.
I stated a fact. Bill Clinton is not running for president.
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Your fact is irrelevant. His wife is. The woman married to him. As long as she stays with him, she condones him. It is also well documented that she made every effort to shut down his victims. She is not an innocent bystander.
Should she choose to leave him, things would be different.
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«Oldest ‹Older 1401 – 1600 of 1983 Newer› Newest»Remember when they Jon and Kate separated in 2009 when Kate called the police on Jon because she did not like the babysitter that Jon picked out. This was when Jon was still living at the McMansion. I think it was one of his girlfriends.
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Actually that brings up another point. If she has taken to calling the cops over the years always over a bunch of stupid shit, she may be in a "Boy who called wolf" situation. The one time she actually had a legitimate request, "return my daughter as it is my custody time", they may have let it slide because they know her and her reputation and all the dumb complaints she always has. She is her own worst enemy.
It's highly likely she is seeing the same cops over and over and they know her. If this had been her first time, she was calm, had the order in hand, and left off the stuff about kidnapping and sexual abuse, this all might have transpired much differently for her.
There is so much sunshine being blown up "Admin's" ass on a daily basis that the sunburn must hurt like hell.
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You're kidding right? People here are certainly respectful to their host, but I really don't see a bunch of creepy kissing up nor would I want to.
At the same time, myself and my helpers do a lot of work on the blog over the years and have created this little porch to hang out on, so it's understandable when posters here realize it and appreciate that, as they are basically nice and appreciative people at heart. They should be able to do so without being scolded by you. What does Kate do for her fans? Nothing.
Admin,
Well, we know Jon has them after school and for dinner on Tuesdays. He picked her up "without permission" on a Wednesday. So I think it's safe to say it's not his custody day.
No idea about the actual order but it seems the cops did respond to her call at least. From context I think the call he did respond to was the one where Jon picked up Hannah on a Wednesday. She called again a few days later about being afraid because he had a gun, and about her suspicions about him having an inappropriate relationship with the one daughter.
InTouch: The police records, obtained by In Touch, show that Kate called cops three times in five days, and the officer that responded to the call refused to get involved and “informed her this was a custody/civil matter, to be handled in court.”
Why must you lie? You said directly that people have no right to not believe her:
"Broaddrick perceived quite clearly she was being threatened. Who are you to second guess her?"
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Now you're really grasping at straws. We were talking about the THREATS made to her, not the rape itself.
I was making the point that if someone says I FELT threatened, why are we second guessing that? Of course, that's assuming the statements were made in the first place, but I was making that assumption first.
That is a completely different point that wondering if someone is LYING about something ever even happening, like a rape.
We were having a conversation about respecting people's perceptions of threat, so I don't know why you are so upset or comparing it to something completely different. If I tell you I see a mouse and am terrified, I would like you to just respect that that terrifies me and not second guess it, regardless if you think mice are cute and cuddly. Anyway, the law often strongly backs up in many different ways one's PERCEPTION of what happened. In law school we call that the reasonable person test versus SUBJECTIVE test. She felt threatened--that's the end of the story for me. That's all that was said.
No idea about the actual order but it seems the cops did respond to her call at least. From context I think the call he did respond to was the one where Jon picked up Hannah on a Wednesday. She called again a few days later about being afraid because he had a gun, and about her suspicions about him having an inappropriate relationship with the one daughter.
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I really think she muddied the waters by bringing up all kinds of crazy shit to the point where the cops are like okay, maybe you better have the judge deal with this.
Like I said had she had a 30 second call with them and explained I have an order would you mind enforcing it, the outcome might have been very different.
There really is an element of working with cops to get what you want. When you start acting crazy and unhinged, just like normal people they just want to end the call.
Okay, now I just saw a line from the police report that says Jon has custody every Wednesday and every other weekend.
So he DOES have custody on Wednesday?
In August In Touch reported he sees them every Tuesday. And Jon has said so himself. It's always been Tuesday from what I recall.
InTouch: Jon, who revealed he sees most of his children every Tuesday plus every other weekend, stands firmly on his role as a good father, “I love all of my children and hope they all know I’m there for them unconditionally. I'm a good dad."
So.... now I don't know why she called the cops if he picked her up on his custody day. Probably because she wasn't going to allow him to pick her up that day, but he did it straight from school. ????
Okay, now I just saw a line from the police report that says Jon has custody every Wednesday and every other weekend.
So he DOES have custody on Wednesday?
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Maybe he did then. Or, they could have been confused. Honestly, police reports are written from a tense moment and you do find little errors in them like that all the time.
But then, if they were confused and thought it was his custody time in the first place, no wonder they told her peace out! LOL. How hilarious if they wouldn't help her because in her frenzy she totally confused them about his custody time.
Jon has the kids on Tuesday nights. Not Wednesdays.
Nov 3, 2013 Jon told Oprah:
His cabin lifestyle might be rustic, but Gosselin is doing his best to tell people that it makes him happy. The interview on the Oprah Winfrey show opens with him gathering wood for a bonfire to have with his children, who come to visit him on Tuesday nights for dinner and every other weekend from Friday through Sunday. He says they go fishing, camping and play outside, and since his house doesn’t have Internet or cable, they are cut off from the rest of the world.
http://screenertv.com/news-features/jon-gosselin-tells-oprah-winfrey-why-hes-happier-without-kate-gosselin/
If TLC finally does drop her I wonder if Steve will stick around or if he'll move on. I remember that when she was cancelled it seemed that he was off "protecting" other TLC stars as they filmed. Since the whole K8 D8s storyline was a bust you'd think that if there really was a relationship that she pitch a marriage and how Steve copes with being a part of their "crazy, hectic, fun filled" lives. I really think that if they had any kind of real relationship that the kids would have told Jon and it would have been leaked to the press by now. He's an opportunist and is milking her fore everything that he can get. Will he stick around to make her the queen of YouTube?
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If TLC finally does drop her I wonder if Steve will stick around or if he'll move on. I remember that when she was cancelled it seemed that he was off "protecting" other TLC stars as they filmed. Since the whole K8 D8s storyline was a bust you'd think that if there really was a relationship that she pitch a marriage and how Steve copes with being a part of their "crazy, hectic, fun filled" lives.
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Oh I think she's already pitched it. Steve's very obvious presence in the final episodes in 2011 was, I think, a trial balloon on her part. I don't know what sort of relationship this man has with his wife, but if it's "real," she had to be uncomfortable watching the RV trip (not to mention the apparent coziness of the CA appearance). I think Jon is well aware of Steve's presence in Kate's and his children's life, but chooses not to talk about it because he knows the kids would suffer: Inspector Gadget would quickly deduce that one of them had to have been the source of his info.
CC the interview that you posted was from Nov 3, 2013. Maybe things have changed and he has the kids on Wednesdays or maybe he's now got some on Tuesdays and the others on Wednesdays. Bottom line is that Kate lives in crazy land and seems to expect the police to jump every time she claps her hands - get it done NOW! Im sure that there was probably some sort of blow up between Kate and Hannah and Kate wanted her home right after school for damage control purposes. When Jon picked her it it threw a monkey wrench into Kate's plans. Who really knows at this point. Also, as someone pointed out earlier, the magazine could have put in a FOIA request quite a while ago and just got the information which is why the story came out now. I don't think it's a plant by anyone in Kate's camp to garner sympathy for her and what she has to put up with. If it was it backfired just as badly as her happy, happy, family photo shoot minus Collin. Comments on the article are running almost 100% against Kate.
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Okay, now I just saw a line from the police report that says Jon has custody every Wednesday and every other weekend.
So he DOES have custody on Wednesday?
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This gets more confusing. In one of the police reports it states that Kate claimed that Jon "kidnapped" Hannah from school on Wednesday, but in another report it was stated that KATE told the police that Jon had custody every Wednesday and every other weekend.
http://images.intouchweekly.com/uploads/images/file/35805/kate-gosselin-tears.jpg?fit=crop&w=680
In the InTouch article published last year about this incident, it stated that Hannah was visiting Jon on April 23, which was a Thursday.
"During a visit with her father on April 23, “She said she didn’t want to go home to her mom [Kate] because she can’t take the cruelty anymore,” an insider exclusively reveals to In Touch. “Hannah was so afraid of her mom that Jon became concerned and called [Berks County, Pennsylvania] Children & Youth Services and filed a report — and he took emergency custody of Hannah” — without a court order.
Not surprisingly, Kate flipped out.
“She showed up at Jon’s house and stood in the street screaming for Hannah to come home, but she wouldn't leave,” the insider tells In Touch.
“Then she called the cops on Jon and made claims about him,” adds the insider.
Kate (whose rep didn’t respond when asked for comment on this story) took the little girl back home after she spent four days with Jon.
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http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/exclusive-jon-gosselin-seeking-full-custody-of-11-year-old-daughter-hannah-58279
The current InTouch article states:
"According to the police report, filed on April 24th, 2015, Kate claimed that Jon “kidnapped” [their daughter] Hannah, taking her from her school"
So Kate filed the first police report on Friday, April 25, after Hannah refused to go home after her visit with Jon. It's possible that he did pick her up on Tuesday for his usual custody time, but Hannah didn't want to go home, so he picked her up on Wednesday and again on Thursday and Friday.
My only question is why did Kate wait until Friday to call the police. Why didn't she call on Wednesday?
And also why did she state that Jon has custody on Wednesdays instead of Tuesdays. Was it to cover herself for not calling on Wednesday when Jon supposedly "kidnapped" Hannah?
Milo's still going blathering away on last night's IG photo.
miloandjack2016 LOL. I can certainly believe that! Kate's got a gr8 sense of humor...one of the first things I've always loved about her! When time was more available to her..& before the trolls ran everyone off...we used to have a blast on twitter w/impromptu fun...joking...sassing her tweet parties!! That was rt down my alley! 😋 @jamiepumpkin3 @kateplusmy8
She sure has a different recall of things, doesn't she? Kate's sense of humor almost always hinged on putting someone or something else down. Once she lost her whipping boy, she didn't even have that.
Sue said... 12
CC the interview that you posted was from Nov 3, 2013. Maybe things have changed and he has the kids on Wednesdays or maybe he's now got some on Tuesdays and the others on Wednesdays.
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Yes, that was my point. He said in 2013 he had custody on Tuesdays, and the InTouch article I quoted from August 31, 2016 (not even two months ago) said Tuesdays, and every time Jon over the past few years has mentioned his custody day during the week he said Tuesday.
I think I recall Kate saying it also in the past, but I'm not sure if she actually said "Tuesday," or just one day a week.
Jon has the kids on Tuesdays.
The police report states KATE said he has them on Wednesdays. But according to everything we know that's not true.
ursday and Friday.
My only question is why did Kate wait until Friday to call the police. Why didn't she call on Wednesday?
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Probably filming on the weekend.
Kate is a Twit,
Yes, it seems Jon may have had Hannah for his custody day on that Tuesday, and Hannah complained about her life at home and told him she didn't want to live there so Jon picked her up from school the rest of the week.
I can't imagine what went on that week with Kate. She must have been LIVID. She must have called the school, and the police, and everyone she could think of. She even called in the Twitter troops. LOL.
Milo said "before the trolls ran everyone off." Wow, the fans give Kate's non-fans a lot of credit for ridding the Twitter world of Kate and her loony fans. That's quite an accomplishment.
What she refuses to accept is the fans barely tweet Kate because Kate is non-existent on Twitter. If Kate tweeted her fans would reply and re-tweet and engage her in conversation.
The puppies are now 6 months of age. That is the age that large dogs usually come into season for the first time. So Kate now has three un-altered dogs running loose, and they are all closely related. Nice.
In an article from ROL about the Hannah incident last year it states:
"Attempting another tactic, the Kate Plus 8 reality star, 40, allegedly called the cops three days later, claiming Jon threatened her and left Hannah alone while he was deejaying at night.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/jon-gosselin-kate-gosselin-custody-battle-jon-takes-daughter-hannah-away-from-kate/
That could be the reason behind her "protection mode" tweet on Friday, May 1, 2015, trying to find out where Jon was DJing that weekend. She wanted to know where Jon was, so that she could investigate whether he was leaving the kids alone while he went to his DJ job.
She was searching for dirt on Jon to prove her accusations, but according to both Jon's FB page and twitter, he didn't have any gigs that weekend.
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The puppies are now 6 months of age. That is the age that large dogs usually come into season for the first time. So Kate now has three un-altered dogs running loose, and they are all closely related. Nice.
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I know nothing about dog breeding, but I've been wondering if she's perhaps going to breed these dogs. She bred Shoka and I assume sold the puppies she didn't keep. Could she hire out Shoka? Is there good money in doing so? When my son bought a pure breed puppy it was crazy expensive and knowing Kate, it's all about the money.
We have seen Jon very altered on his periscope videos, high on something, or some things. Pot doesn't make you act as invincible as he was acting. And he has said he drinks a certain kind of whiskey. So yes, I think he gets trashed regularly. It would not surprise me if he is trying to make quick money doing other things. However, I don't see him being sexual with his kids.
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The point being Kate engaged in extremely wild speculation without any evidence, as are you. And Kate never said he gets trashed, only that he, gasp, has a drink with the kids there (as has SHE). I haven't seen the videos you have where Jon appears invincible and high on something other than marijuana. Link please. I really would like to know how you have identified that he is under the influence, and not only that but not marijuana. It would be helpful with my work if I could actually identify what drugs people are on if any, just by sight!
Kate is a twit said... 20
If he's still living with Colleen (?), then they're staying at her house. So if she's home, which seems quite likely, the kids are not alone. Or is Kate going to deny that she leaves the kids "alone" when she's off getting more plastic face or hitting up the tab shows? If the GF is home, she has no leg to stand on.
CC the interview that you posted was from Nov 3, 2013. Maybe things have changed and he has the kids on Wednesdays or maybe he's now got some on Tuesdays and the others on Wednesdays.
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Whatever day it was, the cops seemed to be under the impression it was his time anyway. Therefore, that explains why they wouldn't help her.
Maybe they were mistaken, or maybe in her frenzy Kate didn't explain the custody order correctly to them. Trust me, cops get mixed up all the time and there are errors in their reports all the time, I'd like to think mostly unintentional. They have a lot in their heads just like anyone in a high stress job and they're trying to recall a great deal of information they got when they were there at the incident. It would not at all surprise me if they got mixed up about a family law order. And since Kate was probably not behaving rationally, she sure as hell wasn't going to be able to correct them. I don't think the report says they actually reviewed the physical family law order, which Kate should have given them to look at if she had half a brain.
Jane said... 21
It's the owner of the mother that typically decides to keep or sell the pups from a litter. It's common for the owner to offer one pup to the owner of the father. Maybe she got two pups in lieu of a stud fee. But since the breeding was no doubt instigated by Kate for TV purposes, maybe it worked a little differently.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 22
We have seen Jon very altered on his periscope videos, high on something, or some things. Pot doesn't make you act as invincible as he was acting. And he has said he drinks a certain kind of whiskey. So yes, I think he gets trashed regularly. It would not surprise me if he is trying to make quick money doing other things. However, I don't see him being sexual with his kids.
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The point being Kate engaged in extremely wild speculation without any evidence, as are you. And Kate never said he gets trashed, only that he, gasp, has a drink with the kids there (as has SHE).
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Kate's been seen on many of her episodes and other appearances drinking alcohol. Also at the end of the Katie Couric interview, and Kate Coyne makes a point of ending her recent interview with Kate "over a glass of wine." Here again, pot/kettle.
And the picture on one of the sites is Alexis. Now she is involved.
@CC (18) The haters on twitter must be a powerful group of people to not only rid Kate and her fans off twitter but also get all of Bullyville's twitter accounts suspended.Which was another thing that the fans blamed haters for.They just can't accept the fact that BV's accounts had many tweets that were beyond disgusting but also over the line.Also with Kate how do they know she left because of haters?For all we know she left because twitter is not only boring her but also what more is there to say when it comes to Kate?
There really is an element of working with cops to get what you want. When you start acting crazy and unhinged, just like normal people they just want to end the call.
I would think the police out of duty to all parties would be more likely to get involved with the "unhinged and crazy", especially with a child involved. Had something serious happened with Hannah, alcohol related or worse, the police being notified would definitely be negligent.
Maybe he did then. Or, they could have been confused. Honestly, police reports are written from a tense moment and you do find little errors in them like that all the time.
Police reports with errors are recorded documents that when go to court get thrown out due to perjury. It is the officer's JOB to insure what goes into the report is accurate. Lord. The day of the week is critically important in a case like this.
How hilarious if they wouldn't help her because in her frenzy she totally confused them about his custody time.
No matter how you attempt to spin this, it is in no way hilarious. Far, far from anything funny.
Milo said "before the trolls ran everyone off." Wow, the fans give Kate's non-fans a lot of credit for ridding the Twitter world of Kate and her loony fans. That's quite an accomplishment.
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Why didn't Kate just close her Twitter account if the trolls were running everyone off? It now belongs to them. Just shut the darn thing down.
I know nothing about dog breeding, but I've been wondering if she's perhaps going to breed these dogs. She bred Shoka and I assume sold the puppies she didn't keep. Could she hire out Shoka? Is there good money in doing so? When my son bought a pure breed puppy it was crazy expensive and knowing Kate, it's all about the money.
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Jane - The only way that TFW would make money on this is if the owner of a female used Shoka as a stud and then TFW would receive a stud fee (this is for AKC registered breeds). Usually with pure bred puppies the owner of the female wants to use a male that has conformation in dog shows. I don't think a reputable breeder would use a male that, although purebred, has not been shown and has no conformations to his name. Shoka is a King Shepherd and that breed is not recognized by the AKC and the Americak King Shepherd Club may have different standards. As many on this blog know I am owned by a bulldog (see new avatar) and I would never buy from a breeder that used any old dog off the street for a stud. And please....no lectures on adopt don't shop.
I hope TFW is keeping those dogs apart because if NookiePookie goes into heat it will be open season as to which male gets to her.
Police reports with errors are recorded documents that when go to court get thrown out due to perjury. It is the officer's JOB to insure what goes into the report is accurate. Lord. The day of the week is critically important in a case like this.
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I don't know what to tell you but inaccuracies are in police reports all the time. And it's often due to the parties themselves not giving good information. Due to stress, emotion, stupidity. It's not perjury to do the best you can with a police report. Surely you understand they are written some time after the incident. Often hours. I have no idea why you think my telling the truth about police reports is margamilizing. Somebody made a mistake about the custody day. Maybe it was Kate. I was simply providing an explanation how that might have happened.
The police report states KATE said he has them on Wednesdays. But according to everything we know that's not true.
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If TFW told the cops that Jon's custody was on Wednesday and it is written in stone that it is TUESDAY, then why don't they charge her for providing false information and filing a false police report? I think this warrants it.
If TFW told the cops that Jon's custody was on Wednesday and it is written in stone that it is TUESDAY, then why don't they charge her for providing false information and filing a false police report? I think this warrants it.
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But it doesn't help her to lie about the day. That doesn't make sense. A more logical explanation is the cops made an HONEST mistake and wrote the wrong day.
Perfectly understandable that police reports may contain inaccuracies particularly in this case when TFW is given to the same.
Breaking News - Donald Trump has said he will accept the result of the election - "If I win".
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Anyway you look at this mess, have you noticed how things are escalating? This is not going to turn out good at all.
He kidnapped my daughter! BAM!
That didn't work.
He is a drug dealer! BAM!
That didn't work.
He is in an inappropriate relationship with H! BAM!
3 police calls in 5 days. I wonder when TFW was spouting to her road manager, I wonder if he tried to talk her out of it? Or, did he encourage her to go and get H. because of filming so he would get paid?
This is so awful.
Blowing In The Wind said... 32
Milo said "before the trolls ran everyone off." Wow, the fans give Kate's non-fans a lot of credit for ridding the Twitter world of Kate and her loony fans. That's quite an accomplishment.
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Why didn't Kate just close her Twitter account if the trolls were running everyone off? It now belongs to them. Just shut the darn thing down.
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She'll never do that, even though it is a porn-infested cesspool. She doesn't want to give up that precious blue verification check. They say, once you shut it down, you can't get it back.
Just to read her IG posts with the puppies after what just hit the fan in 2 days is very disturbing. It is like an alternate universe. Rome is burning and Nero's (TWF) standing there a fiddl'n.
But it doesn't help her to lie about the day. That doesn't make sense. A more logical explanation is the cops made an HONEST mistake and wrote the wrong day.
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You could be right. Police do make mistakes filling out reports after a long shift. But TFW would lie about anything, anytime to get what she wants. She has a good track record of lying, especially about Jon.
So family court found Kate's accusations were unfounded. I guess that means Hannah had to appear in front of judge to say she and her dad don't have an inappropriate relationship!?! I really hope not. I hope that poor child doesn't even know Kate made such a claim. At least not until she is older. I want her to know then. But that's something that a 12-year-old shouldn't have to think about when it comes to her daddy.
I hope her classmates don't know either. That is just humiliating. To be in the media for such a thing when it's not even true. I'm sure a thing like that between a child and parent would never have occurred to her. What child wants such a thing in their head? Ugh
GollyGee is right about that blue verification check. That's also why TFW never went private with her account because to do so would mean that she'd lose the verification check. To her (and apparently her followers), being verified validates her. Remember how hot Milo was to get her Instagram account verified?
Accusing a parent of untrue sexual abuse is such a horrible thing, that it seems like the one doing the false accusing really does deserve some jail time.
I agree, that poor little girl having to appear in front of a judge to deny that her father behaved inappropriately with her. I hope that, before she 'testified', she had the benefit of a councilor to explain what the process was all about and just why it was necessary. How confusing it must have been for her and the impression will linger with her for a long time.
No one can tell me that this damaging experience has not affected her greatly, certainly much more than what her mother/nurse would ever concede. It's possible too that she was told not to discuss this case with her siblings and schoolmates making it all the more troubling for her.
I hope she is receiving additional help in sorting all this out in her little mind and I don't mean from her disturbed mother.
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I am owned by a bulldog (see new avatar) and I would never buy from a breeder that used any old dog off the street for a stud. And please....no lectures on adopt don't shop.
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Awww! I love the picture! Such a gorgeous puppy. Ah, miss the puppy phase. Well, sort of...
No lecture from me. We currently have a purebred and a mix, so best of both worlds.
I wouldn't be surprised if Kate doesn't spay Nookie, but keeping the males intact is ridiculous if that's what she chooses. My guess is that she will not fix one or both of the puppies so that she can breed again.
I am kind of out of the loop here. I have't read all of the happenings in the past few days. Was the term sexual abuse used, or was it a suspicious relationship?
How are the sheeple spinning this? The police reports are a fraud and were altered?
Had something serious happened with Hannah, alcohol related or worse, the police being notified would definitely be negligent.
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I totally disagree the police would have been "negligent" had something happened to Hannah. Plus, they have immunity.
They interviewed Hannah, they did a thorough investigation. What about this was negligence? The fact that they decided your queen was a psychopants who should go peddle it in family law court doesn't mean they were negligent. They made the call they felt best. It's really insulting that you not being there, seeing and hearing what they saw, would accuse them of negligence. Wow.
So Jon was in the right to essentially give up half of his children by not having the police ensure his custody order? I'm not asking this sarcastically. I'm trying to figure out what, if anything, Jon should/could have done in this situation. What another parent in the same situation should/could do, as none of this is happening in a vacuum.
This blog consists of one wildly speculative comment after another from both you and your posters. I love irony.
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This blog isn't calling the cops on our spouse.
Speculation is perfectly appropriate as you like on a BLOG. The idea that you would compare that to someone then taking the next step and running with their wild conspiracy theories to the cops about their own CHILDREN, is outrageous.
Oh, and I know Kate was full of it. The cops don't tell her to go tell it to a fence post about SEX ABUSE and DRUG DEALING unless they think she's full of shit. I'm sorry this is upsetting, but your queen is psycho and this finally proves it. The cops did a great job telling her to shove it up her ass.
Yeah, we'll see happens to #NookiePookie once she starts leaving bloody smears all over the house. That might make up Kate's mind right quick.
I want to get the magazine to read the police reports for myself, but the CVS I stopped at didn't have the newest issue I guess, although it was like Oct 20 something.
PumpkinButt is lending her support on last night's IG post.
barbgilmer1 @kateplusmy8 @jamiepumpkin3 I wish I could see the both of you together, it would be hilarious! I'm pretty funny as well I have The tendency to crack people up right @jamiepumpkin3 ?
jamiepumpkin3 She ALWAYS makes me laugh! Sometimes one of us will not be able to sleep at night and will text the other"u awake"? Then we spend an hour laughing via text! She is one of thee only persons who gets me and makes me laugh hysterically! I can't wait to see her soon!
kateplusmy8Pffffhhh @jamiepumpkin3 what are you talking about? 😂😂😂 Us laughing late at night? Pfffffhh I say again! 😂😂
jamiepumpkin3 😃
But Barb, you have seen them together. How could you forget the RV trip? Lots of FUN and games going on there.
There is so much info not in those police reports. Did Kate refuse to let the kids go with Jon on Tues so Hannah asked to be picked up Wed? What do you do when your child calls begging you to come get her? In an adversarial divorce like that there are no good options. Whatever the custody day, the police decided not to go to Jon's and escort H home. They must have determined she was not in physical danger and they would prefer to have the judge make a decision. I see no way out of H having to answer if Jon had abused her. The judge has to ask. So now H knows if she tries to stick up for herself that her mom could send her dad to jail. Poor girl.
Nookie Pookie will be coming into heat soon? Oh dear. Will Kate still love her? I had a friend with a small breed dog who didn't get her fixed. During the dog's cycle she had to put these little diapers on her for the blood. Do they make those in King Shepherd size?
There have been a number of high profile dog abuse cases recently in Lancaster County. There's a new law being pushed through the House about dog abuse. Look up PA House Bill 869. There are some new things Kate should look at about leaving your dog outside in our worst heat or cold.
Tamara said... 48
So Jon was in the right to essentially give up half of his children by not having the police ensure his custody order? I'm not asking this sarcastically. I'm trying to figure out what, if anything, Jon should/could have done in this situation. What another parent in the same situation should/could do, as none of this is happening in a vacuum.
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It isn't really about being in the right or wrong. IMO, Jon, knowing how completely over the top vengeful Kate is, how much she hates him, and knowing, as we now know from the police report she is prone to psycho freak outs, Jon didn't want to wake the sleeping b*tch and be responsible for a flaming rage.
Kate's kind of shot her wad now though, hasn't she? She accused him of kidnapping, drug dealing, drug/alcohol imbibing around the children, leaving Hannah alone at night while he went to work, inappropriate behavior with his daughter, and threatening with a gun. What's left?
Ha - I was just thinking about Gladys writing a poem for Shoka's birthday, but not doing that for the twins. She doesn't give a hoot about the G kids.
It's all about TFW.
My guess is that she will not fix one or both of the puppies so that she can breed again.
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I agree Tucker's Mom. I just hope that she's smart enough not to breed them together. Mine turned 6 months today and this past week has started air humping. I can't imagine what would be going on if I have a female his age in the house. I hope that she doesn't kennel the puppies together. My puppy is scheduled for his neuter on 1 November.
Like so many other posters here, I'm not surprised at the lengths Kate will go to in order to get her way/make things tough for Jon, although I didn't see these specific allegations coming.
We all know that Kate will never apologize/always feels justified in what she does, but I think the lack of any of the TV talk shows contacting her for her comments/booking a set the record straight tour must be making her feel abandoned. Of course, it may still be coming but I don't think so.
I don't agree that it would have been a terrible thing for Hannah to speak to the police and the judge. She has seen, heard, and endured that crazy household all her life and by running to her father was letting her voice be heard. The policeman and the judge probably got a pent-up earful. I'm betting she is a whole lot tougher than we have been lead to believe.
jamiepumpkin3 She ALWAYS makes me laugh! Sometimes one of us will not be able to sleep at night and will text the other"u awake"? Then we spend an hour laughing via text! She is one of thee only persons who gets me and makes me laugh hysterically! I can't wait to see her soon!
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I really wish Kate would get a real job, the kind where you have to get to sleep and can't stay up half the night with girlfriends texting like you're 14 years old.
@Admin Jamie is no saint either,she's been commenting on Milo's IG pictures alot,to point where you'd think they actually know each other.Its so weird,its no wonder milo thinks Jamie's her friend.I don't get why she does it.
I thought I read that Jon had the kids one night a week plus every other weekend, and that he was going to also take the twins for dinner on Tuesdays so he could have time with them away from the younger kids. Anyone else remember that? It was 2013-2014.
Jeanne said... 53
There is so much info not in those police reports. Did Kate refuse to let the kids go with Jon on Tues so Hannah asked to be picked up Wed? What do you do when your child calls begging you to come get her?
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So many questions, I agree. Do all the tups now have phones? And if so, I wonder if Kate blocked Jon's number on H's phone after this.
RE: Kate's "protection mode" tweet, wondering where Jon was DJing on Friday and Saturday--I think she wanted to figure out when he would be out of the house so she could swoop in and grab Hannah. If Jon wasn't home, then he couldn't fight her on it, and he couldn't claim he was taking care of Hannah if he wasn't even with her.
Also, I think Kate hates the fact that Jon has been DJing for so long. She likes to see him painted as a deadbeat who can't hold a job, and seeing him keep the same job for 2+ years doesn't play into that image of him. So…she can't get him fired, so she claims that his DJ jobs are a cover for drug trafficking. She knows the sheeple will run with that, and state it as fact for years to come even though it's a lie.
In some states , a child can choose which parent they want to live with at age 14. Anyone know what age they can do that in PA?
...so she claims that his DJ jobs are a cover for drug trafficking.
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What's her next plan? Somehow plant drugs on him to make her allegations true?
Layla said... 64
The 24-hour protection (lol) tweet came on May 3, so this was well after we assume Hannah had already gone home (the kidnapping happened either April 23 or 24). Who knows what other delusions she was having when she tweeted? Once a drama queen, always a drama queen.
...so she claims that his DJ jobs are a cover for drug trafficking.
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God bless him, but that sounds like something my 91 year old grandfather would say. That DJing (in general) is just a front for the drug trade.
You can excuse that when you're 91, but good Lord, Kate.
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I thought it was during the H situation. My mistake. She was up to something…who knows?
Also, I think Kate hates the fact that Jon has been DJing for so long. She likes to see him painted as a deadbeat who can't hold a job, and seeing him keep the same job for 2+ years doesn't play into that image of him.
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There's something more to it, I think. You know how she's been peddling that out and out lie that if she could do something else to support her kids other than filming, she would? But that filming is just the ONLY thing she can do to support them and she must exploit her children.
Jon has proven that there are many other jobs out there for them, many of them steady good work that can support you and the kids (more modestly, of course), none that involve exploiting the kids. It pisses her off every day he works one of those jobs and proves her wrong. She HATES to be wrong and hates it even more when Jon is the one to point it out.
What's her next plan? Somehow plant drugs on him to make her allegations true?
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Make the kids testify in court (and give media interviews) that their father has them hooked on drugs?
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Layla said... 64
The 24-hour protection (lol) tweet came on May 3, so this was well after we assume Hannah had already gone home (the kidnapping happened either April 23 or 24). Who knows what other delusions she was having when she tweeted? Once a drama queen, always a drama queen.
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Are you sure? The article I quoted on the previous page was dated May 3 but the article said the tweet was "sent last week"
In some states , a child can choose which parent they want to live with at age 14. Anyone know what age they can do that in PA?
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There is no minimum age in PA. A child must, however, have a valid reason for wanting to live with another parent. Just because one of the parents has a swimming pool, or buys expensive gifts isn't a reason. Kids as young as ten have chosen where to live.
The Pennsylvania Superior Court stated:
“The weight to be accorded a child’s preference varies with the age, maturity and intelligence of that child, together with the reasons given for the preference. Moreover, as children grow older, more weight must be given to the preference of the child.” Wheeler v. Mazur, 793 A.2d 929 (Pa. Super. 2002).
Most judges is more likely to consider a child’s choice if it’s based upon sound, mature reasons, versus a preference that seems to be based upon momentary whim or impulse.
Of course, much of the decision is still based on the parents. Courts will always look at things like their employment and living situations, geographic locations/ plans to relocate, or a history of substance abuse or violence. Pennsylvania’s family law is pretty similar to most other states in this regard.
So the short answer is, the older and more mature a child is, the more credence their opinion has in deciding custody, or who they will live with. But there is no set age where they are legally entitled to make a decision.
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GollyGee is right about that blue verification check. That's also why TFW never went private with her account because to do so would mean that she'd lose the verification check. To her (and apparently her followers), being verified validates her. Remember how hot Milo was to get her Instagram account verified?
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Yes, I knew that if you shut it down that you couldn't get the blue check and I had forgot if you went private that you lost it also.
Oh, the problems of the Twitter 1 percenters!
This blog consists of one wildly speculative comment after another from both you and your posters. I love irony.
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Why don't you go and love it on your own playground and stop with the snide, snippy and rude comments? You must really have some angry issues going on, and the more you post, the more obvious it is with the "mean girl" syndrome coming out big time.
admin, do you have any idea as to the identity of the resident troll/sheeple poster? I'm 99.9 percent sure I know who it is, based on semantics, spelling, and linguistic forensics.
There is no specific age by law in PA for when a child can decide who to live with. The judge is supposed to figure out the reasons and the maturity of the kid and whatever else and determine what weight to give the child's opinion.
Who do you think it is, Somewhere? I don't read other Gosselin blogs so I don't recognize any writing styles.
Layla said... 68
Oh it's the same general time-frame. This was probably when she was afraid Jon was going to be "hostile" toward her with his gun. Maybe after the emergency custody hearing to sort out all of the very very bad things Jon was doing that he wasn't aware of.
localyocul said... 71
Oh sorry localyocul, and Layla. I thought the tweet was May 3. I could swear that there was an article out there that showed the actual tweet, but I can't find it now. Whatever the actual date, it was in the midst of her mega-meltdown over Hannah's break for freedom.
Well, ROL had the original tweet about protection, posted by Kate on May 1. So +/- a week after the big brouhaha.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/kate-gosselin-jon-gosselin-feud-twitter-reality-tv-mom-tweets-bizarre-message/
Remember how hot Milo was to get her Instagram account verified?
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Milo is just hot over anything concerning Kate. It's the love thing going on. It's ubiquitous.
ell, ROL had the original tweet about protection, posted by Kate on May 1. So +/- a week after the big brouhaha.
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Sounds like the general timeline was Hannah defected to Jon, she waited it out a bit then involved the cops, giving them her litany of false allegations. They told her to go tell it to a fence post. At some point she screamed outside Jon's place for Hannah to come home (yes, wandering around psycho outside your ex's house definitely makes kids want to come home!). Somehow eventually Hannah got home. At some point I think someone told her she needed actual evidence against Jon. No one else would listen to her so then she went to the fans, DMing them trying to gather some info about what he was up to. Pathetic.
So crazy we now have some context for that accidental DM. It would be interesting to see some of our speculation from that time and see if anyone got close to reality. I'm sure it's somewhere in a post from around that timeframe.
Sometimes I wonder if TLC is snarking on Kate. Two posts on her page from today are about various types of spas ("You deserve to take time for yourself, you need it!") and "Red Wine-Spiked Hot Chocolate" ("This is our new favorite way to end the day"). These feel to me like they're mocking her. But then I don't think anyone over there has this kind of subtlety.
Susan1956 (#58), I bet TFW's jaw is still on the ground because no one wanted to interview her after the People article about C. Poor Schmoopy probably practiced her poke and dab for hours for nothing! And if that bombshell revelation about sending her son away didn't even get her a measly appearance on any of the entertainment news shows, I don't think this story is going to do it.
But as we've all learned with TFW, there always seems to be some opportunity for her to get her mug onscreen again. So, as she would say, no never means no.
This blog consists of one wildly speculative comment after another from both you and your posters. I love irony.
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Do you now? Good for you! If you comment here, then *you* are a poster. You must really love yourself, for it is indeed ironic that you continue to post here on this ghastly blog in which you find fault in which everything admin and other posters say. Oh, the irony of it all, so ironically amusing.
Sheepless In Seattle said... 85
This blog consists of one wildly speculative comment after another from both you and your posters. I love irony.
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Do you now? Good for you! If you comment here, then *you* are a poster.
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We *love* seeing you post here each day! In fact, I'm knitting you a muumuu and stringing you a set of pearls!
So crazy we now have some context for that accidental DM. It would be interesting to see some of our speculation from that time and see if anyone got close to reality. I'm sure it's somewhere in a post from around that timeframe.
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I'm pretty sure there was speculation at the time that Kate was trying to catch Jon being negligent on his visitation time with the kids-trying to catch him at his DJ job and not having a sitter for the kids.
Why don't you go and love it on your own playground and stop with the snide, snippy and rude comments? You must really have some angry issues going on, and the more you post, the more obvious it is with the "mean girl" syndrome coming out big time.
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Yup, someone needs a hug ;-)
. If Jon wasn't home, then he couldn't fight her on it, and he couldn't claim he was taking care of Hannah if he wasn't even with her.
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I just posted the same thing ;-) and the irony is that Kate has left the kids with sitters and nannies on a regular basis. My gosh, when Robert was posted at the compound, she left for days and weeks a at a time, only to swoop in long enough to repack her bags before the next town car came to take her away again.
While the kids looked on crying.
This isn't speculation on Robert's part. He documented it first hand.
pym said...
I don't agree that it would have been a terrible thing for Hannah to speak to the police and the judge. She has seen, heard, and endured that crazy household all her life and by running to her father was letting her voice be heard. The policeman and the judge probably got a pent-up earful. I'm betting she is a whole lot tougher than we have been lead to believe.
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My issue isn't with Hannah having to speak before a judge. I think they all should. My issue was with Hannah having to be confronted about an inappropriate relationship with her dad and answer questions about that. A little girl should never have to be put in that position by a mother with a vendetta against their father.
This isn't about a child being abused by her dad and having the chance to tell. It's about a child NOT being abused by her dad and now having to look at her relationship with her dad and think about every time he kissed her or hugged her or touched her or gave her a bath, etc.
A little girl shouldn't have to have that stuff going on in her innocent little brain when such a natural and loving relationship with her daddy gets turned into something sordid by her own mother.
Kate is evil.
It's a little bit of a stretch for TFW to paint
a picture of a drunk, stoned, skirt-chasing ex dealing drugs at high school graduation gigs
and prom parties. I can't even bear to include the molestation accusation -- I have no words for that.
But did America's Favorite Mom forget she was filmed drinking at home before going out to a bar? Then drinking some more and getting her
foot licked at a bar by a stranger? Then waking up with a hangover? There's nothing horrific about any of that, but as role model for 5 young girls (not to mention 3 young boys), is that the kind of behavior she would like them to see?
Do you know what's really ironic? Who has really put this kid at more risk of sexual abuse? How quickly Kate forgets there was an editor of her show who was locked away for child pornography. She need look no farther than herself and who she has chosen to expose her kids, and their footage, to. Yet there she is banging the pots and pans about Jon.
So crazy we now have some context for that accidental DM. It would be interesting to see some of our speculation from that time and see if anyone got close to reality. I'm sure it's somewhere in a post from around that timeframe.
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IIRC we were speculating that she was trying to DM that cop friend of hers.
Kate also explained that the need for Steve came out of some guy on a tv set wanting to hold her kids on his lap.
Kate and Jon have put their kids at risk for a lot of things, but Kate of course just won't stop.
Kate also wanted sympathy for having her van vandalized in her driveway. Well, hon, time to get your family off tv. \
But hey, you can always put tape over your kid's name on the backpack. That'll protect them.
Tucker's Mom said... 94
Kate also explained that the need for Steve came out of some guy on a tv set wanting to hold her kids on his lap.
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IIRC, she put out that explanation long after she'd been seen traveling around solo with Steve and people were questioning it. I don't really believe it---it's possible that someone did want to hold a kid, certainly, but that doesn't explain why Steve is always with her while the kids stay home with nannies.
So this article appeared on my FB wall late last night. Of course our girl Kate's lack of dance skills landed her a spot on the list--she's #3--but what I found interesting was the claim that she tried to return for season 15.
I don't watch DWTS on a regular basis, but has anyone ever been on twice? Did she promise them she'd do better? Behave? Practice? The producers must have laughed their heads off and the male dancers thanked their stars when they turned her down.
http://www.fame10.com/entertainment/9-dancing-with-the-stars-contestants-who-should-never-have-been-cast/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=FT_FBK_ZZ_BOTH&utm_content=boosting
A little girl shouldn't have to have that stuff going on in her innocent little brain when such a natural and loving relationship with her daddy gets turned into something sordid by her own mother.
Kate is evil.
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Falsely accusing a father of molesting his own child is pure evil. Even if Hannah never knew what her mother accused her father of, she will now because her mother refuses to pull herself out of the spotlight.
I have never understood how Kate justifies all the bad that comes along with her fame and money.
Really, how can TLC touch this with a 10-foot pole?
IIRC, she put out that explanation long after she'd been seen traveling around solo with Steve and people were questioning it. I don't really believe it---it's possible that someone did want to hold a kid, certainly, but that doesn't explain why Steve is always with her while the kids stay home with nannies.
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Oh, exactly. Kate's story for needing Steve attached to her side has always changed. It's for the kids. No, it's for me. It's for the kids. No, what if something happened to me?
It's for meeeeeeeeee.
I don't watch DWTS on a regular basis, but has anyone ever been on twice? Did she promise them she'd do better? Behave? Practice? The producers must have laughed their heads off and the male dancers thanked their stars when they turned her down.
http://www.fame10.com/entertainment/9-dancing-with-the-stars-contestants-who-should-never-have-been-cast/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=FT_FBK_ZZ_BOTH&utm_content=boosting
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Yes, there was an "all stars" season. IIRC, Pam Anderson and Kirsty Ally took part.
I thought Kate would definitely have tried to get back on. No doubt. I never thought it would happen. Tony would have to double his hazard pay. But, Kate had her eye on Maks, because her failure was all Tony's fault, natch.
@Tucker's Mom Yeah i remember when the fans started blaming tony and saying he was so nasty to Kate.Yet they had an uproar when Jon got offered on.Such as this tweet by msgoody when she was trying to get BV involved. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLHriXoWwAEV-hj.png
Tucker's Mom said... 97
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I have never understood how Kate justifies all the bad that comes along with her fame and money.
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Because Kate's having F.U.N., and that's all this has ever been about. Oh, and the money.
Yet there she is banging the pots and pans about Jon.
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With her famous, big, wooden spoon.
Evil, vile, twisted, sick *****!
To accuse Jon of doing something to H. is CRUEL.
For her to even think about her daddy in that way, is cruel and heartbreaking.
When the All-Star DWTS was being cast, Kate said she would absolutely do it "for my kids". (Translation: "For me to have the opportunity to get away from my kids. With Steve.") But she wasn't cast.
When do you ever see an accusation made by someone like a celebrity, and we know she is not, in the tabloids and they publish the MINOR CHILD's picture in the tabloid??
That is just pure disgusting. I hope Jon sues her for defamation, slander and if it could be proven that she sold the info to the Daily Mail, or was even involved in it, I hope Jon adds them along for the ride, also.
Layla said... 103
When the All-Star DWTS was being cast, Kate said she would absolutely do it "for my kids". (Translation: "For me to have the opportunity to get away from my kids. With Steve.") But she wasn't cast.
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What kid wants their mother gone for a month? Oh, that's right, Kate would take the red eye right back home after the shows on Monday...
When do you ever see an accusation made by someone like a celebrity, and we know she is not, in the tabloids and they publish the MINOR CHILD's picture in the tabloid??
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One of the tabloids showed a picture of Alexis, not Hannah.
That is just pure disgusting. I hope Jon sues her for defamation, slander and if it could be proven that she sold the info to the Daily Mail, or was even involved in it, I hope Jon adds them along for the ride, also.
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Not a lawyer, but I don't think it qualifies since Kate told the police of her suspicions, and that's private. It would be different if she sat on Wend William's couch and said she thought Jon's relationship with Hannah was inappropriate.
What exactly is an "inappropriate" relationship? Does that necessarily mean sex abuse, or could it be that she was suggesting the two of them smoked pot together, or whatever? Just asking...
Do you now? Good for you! If you comment here, then *you* are a poster. You must really love yourself, for it is indeed ironic that you continue to post here on this ghastly blog in which you find fault in which everything admin and other posters say. Oh, the irony of it all, so ironically amusing.
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Blowing In The Wind said... 108
What exactly is an "inappropriate" relationship? Does that necessarily mean sex abuse, or could it be that she was suggesting the two of them smoked pot together, or whatever? Just asking...
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The blurb from the police report was vague, but I htink most people would infer that Kate was suggesting something physical.
The irony is that Jon's relationship is the one that's appropriate on every level, especially the physical one.
TFW leaving her 8 kids for a solid month to do Celebrity Apprentice spoke volumes about her devotion to them. It must drive her crazy that her "one week home, one week away" fantasy lifestyle has come to an end, and she's stuck
in the house with her 8 little moneymakers.
Here's a really old memory. The tups were still toddlers, and in one of the couch interviews, TFW talked about how hard it was to connect with each one of her children individually because life was so busy. She said something like, she thinks at the end of the day, did she have any meaningful interaction with J that day? And at the time I was a fan, and found that to be a poignant realization. Yet she was able to leave that little boy, along with his 7 siblings -- not that long after the divorce she said traumatized all of them -- for a month while she played a celebrity on TV. I'm sure she picked up a nice salary. But was it worth losing a month of her children's lives?
Kate LOVES being paid to travel with Steve, and going all first class. No kids, no worries, getting waited on hand and foot with her Purse Boy.
She just lives like she doesn't have kids, unless there's an emergency and someone contacts her.
What mother doesn't call or video chat with their kids everyday when they're away?
Well, yay and hooray.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/kate-gosselin-accuses-jon-inappropriate-behavior-daughter-deny-allegations/
From Radar:
The mother of eight “said that she detects suspicious behavior between Jonathan and their…daughter,” an officer wrote in the April 2015 report, first exposed by In Touch Weekly this week.
PHOTOS: Kate Gosselin Through The Years
A source close to Jon, 39, vehemently denied the waiter/deejay ever dealt drugs— or acted in an unacceptable manner around his little girl.
“That’s just gross to suggest,” am outraged friend of the retired reality star slammed to Radar. “It sounds like Kate is making up stories again.”
Another source close to the family told Radar that while some of the children, including 16-year-old twins Cara and Mady, have turned their backs on Jon, Hannah remains loyal to her father.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/kate-gosselin-accuses-jon-inappropriate-behavior-daughter-deny-allegations/
Poor Hannah. Poor the rest of them.
That is just pure disgusting. I hope Jon sues her for defamation, slander and if it could be proven that she sold the info to the Daily Mail, or was even involved in it, I hope Jon adds them along for the ride, also.
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Not a lawyer, but I don't think it qualifies since Kate told the police of her suspicions, and that's private. It would be different if she sat on Wend William's couch and said she thought Jon's relationship with Hannah was inappropriate.
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You're right. Of course it's no longer private. Had she been interviewed by the media and she said that he's a drug dealer, or he's abusing the kids in any way, then I would think that he had grounds for a lawsuit. But just because a tabloid found the police report, and "other sources" have come forward, then I don't think he has any standing in a lawsuit.
Of course, I might be wrong!
I am sure that one of Kate's main interests in returning to DWTS is the salary. Isn't it something like $125,000 with bonuses for being on many weeks? That along with a hotel with Steve and some pampering. But definitely the money.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/kate-gosselin-accuses-jon-inappropriate-behavior-daughter-deny-allegations/
According to a recently uncovered police report, the Kate Plus 8 star, 41, accused her ex-husband of dealing drugs, and in an even more shocking allegation, having an “inappropriate relationship” with their daughter Hannah, now 12.
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Kate, that's called parent/child love. Yes, it must look very strange to you: no screeching, manipulating, controlling, no film crew, no posing for fake photos for IG. Just love, a father and daughter enjoying being together.
I wonder if Jon would have a lawsuit if it could be proved that TFW was DMing her accusations to her minions. MIlo has always hinted that she knows more than she's letting on and that DM that TFW tweeted was clearly meant for her minions.
IIRC we were speculating that she was trying to DM that cop friend of hers.
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I'd forgotten about that. If something like that could be proved and a cop was helping her by using his official status to get info the shit would really hit the fan. Let's hope it was only speculation.
Defamation only requires that the slanderous statements be "published". These statements were published obviously. So that begs the question what if you made the statements thinking they were going to be kept just between you and the cops and the investigation? And then due to your fame, the media digs them up and publishes them? In other words, do you have to have a reasonable expectation your statement would be published, or do surprise publications qualify too? Where's Tuma??!
I found a couple of articles (Radar and Starcasm) saying that Hannah complained of cruelty during an April 23, 2015 visit with Jon. That was a Thursday which doesn't go with our speculation of Tues vs Wed. However Thurs would really explain why Kate was freaking out if they were scheduled to film that weekend. All the articles say Hannah was with Jon for 4 days before coming home. They also agree with a hearing with the judge that next Mon. The "protection mode" tweet was definitely May 1. That could have been Jon's regular custody weekend if we assume he had Hannah the weekend before as a non-custody time. She desperately wanted evidence that he was neglecting the kids while DJing.
My personal speculation is that Kate changes around custody at will just to screw with Jon. The kids are busy Tues, come get them Thurs. If Jon says he's busy Thurs he must not love his kids. And I still say that regardless of custody days, what do you do as a father when your daughter calls begging you to help her.
Also as I recall correctly publication is pretty liberal and you don't have to publish in the New York Times. A defamatory statement written on toilet paper is publication as long as you tack it up on a public wall.
It seems to me impossible that this story will not be making its way around the school those kids attend. Regardless of the fact that there's no truth in it, inevitably people will be curious and may even start to treat the kids (and Jon, to the extent he is involved there) differently. All because one vengeful b***h wasn't getting her own way for five minutes. I wish he could sue her, but I doubt that's possible. So suffering falls on 9 innocents because of one selfish brat.
Karma can't come soon enough.
In other words, do you have to have a reasonable expectation your statement would be published, or do surprise publications qualify too? Where's Tuma??!
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With FOIA, is that a reasonable expectation for someone who lives their life in the public eye? Who has commodified her divorce, acrimony and family discord into a revenue stream?
She desperately wanted evidence that he was neglecting the kids while DJing.
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Exactly. Kate decries her motherly gut instinct, but really, she's out of control when Jon has custody, and it drives her around the bend.
Tucker's Mom said... 99
Yes, there was an "all stars" season. IIRC, Pam Anderson and Kirsty Ally took part.
I thought Kate would definitely have tried to get back on. No doubt. I never thought it would happen. Tony would have to double his hazard pay. But, Kate had her eye on Maks, because her failure was all Tony's fault, natch.
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Thanks, Tucker's Mom. I had forgotten about that. Both Pam & Kirsty have more class in their pinkie toe than Kate does in her whole body. I'm sure she expected to be welcomed back with open arms since she was such a 'big stah' and would use that to introduce Makes to America as she did Tony. Also,IIRC wasn't she guaranteed a certain number of episodes?
It must have stung when they turned her down.
Sad but true (#123), and this whole thing proves what I've said all along: TFW hates Jon more than she loves her kids.
With Radar picking up the story, aren't we due for some more Insta puppy nonsense from TFW? Or she may be off on one of her spa trips. You know, the ones the kids help pay for, that make her a better mommy.
Susan1956 said... 126
It must have stung when they turned her down.
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Even worse, she wasn't on TV at the time (fall 2012), so I bet she was really lobbying hard for it. A month-plus away in LA with Stevie-boy? All the press? All the swag? Yeah, that had to hurt.
Susan1956 (#126), sadly, I think it's a tie for TFW about which she likes most: the money, or being away from her kids. She has taken every possible opportunity for more than a decade to tell the planet how very hard it is to have 8 kids. And if it was difficult when they were manageable little robots, whom she could control with strict rules and beatings, how awful is it now that they are teenagers and preteens, each with different schedules and desires and needs she is expected to manage?
Oh, I forgot -- only 7 kids at home now. Whew. Not nearly as hard as 8. And I can't help but think at least 3 of the ones remaining worry on the regular that they might be the next to go.
I remember when she was on DWTS she was so full of herself that she grabbed the mic from someone that was interviewing her and told him that someday "I'll own this mic!" 👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻(Waving at Kate)...how'd that work out for you?!
I wonder if Kate realizes that normal parents don't have to take to twitter to try to track down what their ex is up to on their custody time. Normal parents can have a discussion with their ex and ASK. Whacha up to this weekend, ya working? Who'll be with the kids?
And vice versa, Jon should be able to talk to her about who she leaves the kids with on her time. It shouldn't be this darn difficult. Ultimately all her hate creates a heck of a lot more work and stress on everyone including herself.
And in fact, it was a question submitted and asked by an audience member.
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I think this is Kate's chosen vocation. Seriously. She has no career and a whole lot of time on her hands, so hating Jon and destroying his bond with his children has become her raison d'etre.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 111
. . . I'm sure she picked up a nice salary. But was it worth losing a month of her children's lives?
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Is that a rhetorical question? Because ya KNOW, she does it ALL for THEM.
I don't know what happened (or what she THINKS happened) in her childhood to have made her such a nasty piece of work, but it's very sad that everyone around her has to pay (and pay and pay) for it. And it's really too bad she won't get the professional help she so clearly needs.
Nanny (BITW) 109: "Joe Fox (Tom Hanks) to Dabney Coleman (Nelson Fox), "You've Got Mail" -- "That's incredibly ironic.""
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lol, Nanny Maureen! One of my favorite movies. I watched it last night. Amazingly ironic, and the timing of the troll's post couldn't have been more perfect. Too funny!
Sad (134): " And it's really too bad she won't get the professional help she so clearly needs."
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What is the requirement for getting a court-ordered psyc evaluation? Through what channels must one go?
NJ (131): "I remember when she was on DWTS she was so full of herself that she grabbed the mic from someone that was interviewing her and told him that someday "I'll own this mic!" 👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻(Waving at Kate)...how'd that work out for you?!"
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Was that DWTS? I thought it was when she was a host or something on ET? I don't know...everything kind of blends together after a while.
I don't know what happened (or what she THINKS happened) in her childhood to have made her such a nasty piece of work, but it's very sad that everyone around her has to pay (and pay and pay) for it. And it's really too bad she won't get the professional help she so clearly needs.
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Kate has a HUGE chip on her shoulder because her parents didn't give her the childhood she deserved.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 117
Also as I recall correctly publication is pretty liberal and you don't have to publish in the New York Times. A defamatory statement written on toilet paper is publication as long as you tack it up on a public wall.
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Oh, Admin, how funny! I keep seeing a community bulletin board on the wall of a gas station bathroom!
This made me think of a local sheriff's office weekly tv show that has a dumb criminal's spot. When it comes on they show a cartoon criminal in stripes with his eyes crossed and the voice over is a man screaming,
YOU SO STUPID! YOU SO STUPID!
That is where she is at now.
My, have the mighty have fallen.
Lynne in RI - I really have no idea when it was because, you're right, everything blends together. I just assumed that it was during DWTS because she was at the height of her media whoredom then.
NJGal51 said... 118
I wonder if Jon would have a lawsuit if it could be proved that TFW was DMing her accusations to her minions. MIlo has always hinted that she knows more than she's letting on and that DM that TFW tweeted was clearly meant for her minions.
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What if this was true and TFW told a few select fans things like this and tell them not to tell anyone, pinkie swear and all that, because we know her maturity level to keep them mad as hell at Jon and that would just love her more!
Because she is a single-mom doing it all alone in the big, bad world.
So if the resident sheeple/troll poster comments here but isn't a poster, then what is she/he?
Rhetorical question loaded with irony!
@GollyGee Aside from Milo giving hints,didn't msgoody give a hint about how she got Kate's DM and Kate reply back acting like she had no idea what she was talking about?If the belief Kate DM her most loyal fans is true could she of been playing dumb with that reply to msgoody to make people think she doesn't DM fans?I still hold on that its weird of Jamie to act like a friend to Milo with all the commets on milo's IG pictures.
I still hold on that its weird of Jamie to act like a friend to Milo with all the commets on milo's IG pictures.
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Perhaps Kate has told Jamie and Deanna that it's not the best idea to ignore Milo (Alex Forrest) or they might have to hide the bunny.
http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jon-gosselin-kate-hannah-116839
Tucker's Mom said... 138
I don't know what happened (or what she THINKS happened) in her childhood to have made her such a nasty piece of work, but it's very sad that everyone around her has to pay (and pay and pay) for it. And it's really too bad she won't get the professional help she so clearly needs.
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Kate has a HUGE chip on her shoulder because her parents didn't give her the childhood she deserved.
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Yes, a huge chip.
The size of Gibraltar.
I don't think it's her childhood. She is mentally ill.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 144
I don't think it's her childhood. She is mentally ill.
October 21, 2016 at 5:37 PM
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And she's convinced herself that all the money she's gotten from using her kids and making them work offsets how horrible her childhood was, since she's giving them everything on a silver platter.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 147
I don't think it's her childhood. She is mentally ill.
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I'm with you on that one.
Is she really giving them everything on a silver platter, or is she the one who wants that platter filled for herself and is using the kids as her excuse for her own selfish greed?
jamezvader1194 said... 143
@GollyGee Aside from Milo giving hints,didn't msgoody give a hint about how she got Kate's DM and Kate reply back acting like she had no idea what she was talking about?If the belief Kate DM her most loyal fans is true could she of been playing dumb with that reply to msgoody to make people think she doesn't DM fans?I still hold on that its weird of Jamie to act like a friend to Milo with all the commets on milo's IG pictures.
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Yes, I think you have something there. TFW would play dumb to throw people off. How she keeps everything that is going in that head of hers all straight is amazing.
But in the end, she still cluster-busts it.
Tammy Vincent @Tammy_Vincent 2h2 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 Could you help me and my family out at all?
Someone wants money from Kate. Good luck with that and her fund me page.
Golly, 146... "Yes, a huge chip.
The size of Gibraltar."
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LOL!! Or Mount Rushmore and old FDR!
Is she really giving them everything on a silver platter, or is she the one who wants that platter filled for herself and is using the kids as her excuse for her own selfish greed?
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I assume that's a rhetorical question. Of course this is not about the kids, has never been about the kids, will never be about the kids. The kids were and are her mechanism to get what she and only she wants. Jon threw a wrench in that, and he will never be forgiven and will be punished by her for it until her dying day. That's all the mental illness.
The thing is, the kids are going to realize all this someday. Likely someday soon. And then she's going to be without some or all of the kids, who will want nothing to do with her.
'So what this (robbery) shows is the importance of evaluating your risk profile, whether you're a company, whether you're an individual, and saying, 'How much risk am I exposing myself to?''
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Completely agree with Tuma, that being said, he better brace for the rape culture crowd. Personal responsibility is out the window these days, you can say yes then later claim you really meant NO, and no one is ever accountable for their actions or choices or words. Watch out, Tuma.
Is she really giving them everything on a silver platter, or is she the one who wants that platter filled for herself and is using the kids as her excuse for her own selfish greed?
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Ding, ding, ding!
Kate wields those kids as a shield and a cudgel.
Kate has a HUGE chip on her shoulder because her parents didn't give her the childhood she deserved.
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When you're 14, most kids think your parents should give you more. Then you grow up and realize they did the best that they could and that the shit you wanted at 14 you didn't really need after all and that, gasp, shit costs money, lots of it, and you can't afford shit for your kids either so you get it now.
The problem is she is still 14 and still pissed she didn't get to see Disneyworld over winter break like her rich friend from Spanish class. Whatever is wrong with her mentally, it's arresting her at age 14. I feel sorry for her parents. I'm sure they did the best that they could.
The problem is she is still 14 and still pissed she didn't get to see Disneyworld over winter break like her rich friend from Spanish class. Whatever is wrong with her mentally, it's arresting her at age 14. I feel sorry for her parents. I'm sure they did the best that they could.
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If Charlene really did come to Kate's defense, posting on some websites (also dissing Jodi, wtf?), then bless her pea-pickin' heart. Kate throws her parents under the bus every damn chance she gets.
If she can somehow connect something in the present to how they failed her in the past, she's going to do it.
I don't know what happened (or what she THINKS happened) in her childhood to have made her such a nasty piece of work
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Wait.....did we just find a real and true NASTY WOMAN out there?? And it's our very own TFW!
(Debate joke, folks. Not opening the barn door!)
If Charlene really did come to Kate's defense, posting on some websites (also dissing Jodi, wtf?), then bless her pea-pickin' heart. Kate throws her parents under the bus every damn chance she gets.
If she can somehow connect something in the present to how they failed her in the past, she's going to do it.
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Even abused children grow up and develop some understanding about their parents. Not that abuse is ever excused, but adult children start to realize well my parents were abused themselves as kids, or it was because of the depression or alcohol, or they never had good parents to model and show them good parenting. Adult kids will develop some understanding and do tend to be able to forgive and move on.
The fact that she's still whining on and on about her parents at her age is pathetic. At that age no matter what the deal is with your parents, most people move on. Healthy ones anyway. Get some therapy, and move on. There's a lot of life ahead.
PA Dutch Mom said... 149
Is she really giving them everything on a silver platter, or is she the one who wants that platter filled for herself and is using the kids as her excuse for her own selfish greed?
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Again: rhetorical question? I think the answer is obvious to anyone who's observed this woman over nearly 10 years of public exposure.
No one on Kate's IG tonight, but Milo has posted another of her platitudes (the trenchant Steve Maraboli this time) which I think fits Kate to a tee:
"There are some
people whose
turbulent waves of
behaviors will drown
you no matter how
well you think you
can swim."
If this doesn't describe exactly how Kate's "turbulent waves of behaviors" are impacting her kids, I don't know what does. If she's trying to imply that this is JON, we all know that is simply not true. Whatever his faults, he doesn't seem subject to turbulent waves of anything. Kate, on the other hand? There are literally hundreds of hours of video proof, and that's just counting what's been aired on TV. I can't imagine what's been left out. What about all the screaming that goes on in Kate's house, Milo, and with none other than her "employee" Steve? Are you calling Hannah a liar? Would you really go there for your precious Kate?
Are you calling Hannah a liar? Would you really go there for your precious Kate?
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Of course they would, but that does make the good point that I think this is the very first time they've had to really choose between Kate or the kids and it's not just rumors. This is a police report, and they documented what Kate said and what Hannah said, and Hannah's version is vastly different. So who do you believe?
The kid of course, over the mentally ill psychopath. But what will the sheeple do?
They'll pick Kate and I bet they'll blame Hannah too for "causing" this.
By the way the fact that Kate used the word "between" when describing Hannah and Jon is really sick. Inappropriate behavior "between" them instead of inappropriate behavior against Hannah or to Hannah. Between, as if Hannah is consenting or something. What is going on in that pea brain??? What kind of scenarios spin up there?
The term "rape culture" has been around since the 70s.
Shawn Tuma is talking about the problems created with social media.
Here's the link to the above quote:
http://cnnphilippines.com/entertainment/2016/10/05/kim-kardahian-robbery-social-media-made-her-a-target.html
Remember the Red Wine-Spiked Hot Chocolate TLC posted on K8's page? Apparently, a number of the people who comment there believe that it is really Kate making these posts. Here's a prime example:
XXXXXX Surprised to see this wine from this family with 8 kids,not stating who is drinking it,just our drink,Im sure just Kate but she sais our drink?????
With this sort of group as the audience, I guess it's no wonder TLC continues to throw crap on the screen and call it a show. Mind blown.
Shawn Tuma is talking about the problems created with social media.
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I understand that, but how much personal responsibility one bears when something bad happens is all the same issue.
I think Kardashian's openness on social media directly caused the crime. But if Kardashian was raped, I would not be allowed to say she never should have been so open on social media. It doesn't mean one should ever be hurt or deserves to be hurt, it is simply an observation about certain things one can do to ensure they are not exposed to undue risk.
That's freaking nonsense. Take responsibility for yourself and your safety.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 161
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By the way the fact that Kate used the word "between" when describing Hannah and Jon is really sick. Inappropriate behavior "between" them instead of inappropriate behavior against Hannah or to Hannah. Between, as if Hannah is consenting or something. What is going on in that pea brain??? What kind of scenarios spin up there?
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Maybe she means, Hannah's not sticking to the script and that must be Jon's influence on her. She may not even have been going for sexual abuse (though of course that is how it was taken), she may have been trying to say the behavior was "suspicious" because it's not what Mommy has demanded from Hannah.
As far as who the sheeple blame for this, of course it will be Jon's fault. They'll say he put her up to it. It could never ever ever be Katie's fault. Except for, well, there were those times she beat the crap out of Collin et al., but that was TEN years ago, and who's going to hold that against her. Baa baa baa.
I understand that, but how much personal responsibility one bears when something bad happens is all the same issue.
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I believe that the term rape culture is used in a very specific way. It's a term first used by the feminists in their heyday. I don't find it to be a broad term that should be used to describe the general shirking of one's responsibilities.
And then there's ego-based social media, and the problems is had created, which is a whole other issue that could be discussed for eons (and no doubt will).
Very creepy....this is from an adult male.
@tobbep90sverige: @Kateplusmy8 I think Alexis is the cutest girl ever! When she smiles it makes me feel happy! ☺❤ And Hannah has so beautiful hair! ☺
@Tucker's Mom (157) TBH I don't believe that was her mother,after that whole thing,she went dark and never came back up,she has never defended Kate against Jon or Kendra or any of the people who've came foward and told everyone how she is.Why come out one time to throw your son and daughter in law under the bus?Some of Kate's fans suggest that they didn't speak out again due to fear of harassment but every time someone comes up negatively of Kate,they've gotten harass by fans.
I think we're way off field on this one. Rape culture does not mean you have no responsibility in your life. And it doesn't mean saying yes and then changing your mind to no weeks later. Rape culture has to do with rape being excused because how can a man be expected to resist a woman walking around in a mini skirt, how can we punish a man for giving in to temptation, teaching women to avoid being raped rather than teaching men not to rape (or vice versa on the sexes or same sex), continuing to treat women as objects not people.
But I really don't believe Kate's problems even have that much to do with our current culture or the times we live in. Narcissism has existed forever (with various names probably). She would have found ways to express herself without reality tv if it had been 20 years earlier. My grandmother found a way.
Jeanne:
Jeanne said... 169
"Rape culture has to do with rape being excused because how can a man be expected to resist a woman walking around in a mini skirt, how can we punish a man for giving in to temptation, teaching women to avoid being raped rather than teaching men not to rape (or vice versa on the sexes or same sex), continuing to treat women as objects not people."
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That's correct. The term is a very specific one and you've defined what it means.
"But I really don't believe Kate's problems even have that much to do with our current culture or the times we live in."
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The term rape culture wasn't used to define Kate's actions. It was used to define what happened to Kim Kardashian being robbed. That's why I included the link in my comment--to try and show the context in which the term was being used.
I believe that the term rape culture is used in a very specific way. It's a term first used by the feminists in their heyday. I don't find it to be a broad term that should be used to describe the general shirking of one's responsibilities.
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I agree. Unfortunately some people have taken it just as far as that and further. Which is a real insult to people who have been hurt through no fault of their own. The Apprentice woman's story was the most glaring example of it, in which she flirted and engaged and interacted with Trump, multiple, multiple times, appearing to create a real open door for him to make the next move. Then the second he made a pass, creepy as it was, she's mad and she's (the media's) calling it assault. Okay then.
I did notice that story faded away right quick. Oops.
I did notice that story faded away right quick. Oops.
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And another one surfaced:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/karena-virginia-becomes-tenth-woman-accuse-trump-sexual-misconduct-n670146
As far as who the sheeple blame for this, of course it will be Jon's fault.
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Yes, it's all Jon's fault. It was his fault to pick Hannah up from school on a day that wasn't his custody day, although that who custody thing is unclear. By picking he up, he annoyed Kate! For shame. You see if Jon would only fade away, Kate wouldn't have to go into these rages!
And it's Jon's fault that the latest stories have emerged, because he can't pay his rent and has to continually sell stories to the rag mags, even if the story puts him in a terrible light, insinuating he's acted inappropriately with his daughter. And IF Jon didn't sell the story he PAID one of his friends to sell it.
There's even one sheeple who says the cruelty Hannah talked about was actually the cruelty by Jon! Yep.
Jon makes Kate the crappy, screeching, demanding, controlling, manipulating lying mother than she is
Thinking ahead to Halloween, and wondering if Ms. Desperation might pony up for some costumes for the new puppies. If you're gonna deflect, you might as well go all out. Oh, the flurry of excitement on Instagram that would ensue. And Gladys would need sedation.
#Mak is bak. Short-leash or leash-free? Unless the leash is invisible, it must be the latter. Learn to use your words, Kate.
kateplusmy8 Here's my Mak! I'm letting him have a short leash free jaunt! He's not limping and has been resting his injured 'ankle' like a good boy so we decided to pop a ball and have some other fun today! #Mak ❤️🐶❤️
Sad but true said... 175
#Mak is bak. Short-leash or leash-free? Unless the leash is invisible, it must be the latter. Learn to use your words, Kate.
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If she'd typed, "short, leash-free jaunt." the comma after short would have eliminated confusion.
Just read an excellent Op-Ed in the Oct. 21 Los Angeles Times by Henry Weinstein entitled, "In the Nixon-Humphrey election, I refused to vote for the 'lesser of two evils' - That was a mistake".
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And Gladys would need sedation.
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Doesn't she always need sedation? If she's on meds, I wonder if she's taking them.
Sheep need to get a life and stop their delusional bleating. Jon did not sell the story. Jon did not pay someone to leak the story. Jon is not happy about the whole thing. Enough said.
Well, its quite interesting how the sheeple have reacted to this news. It's Jon's fault, of course. He's the one who released this to the media according to them. No mention of the fact that Kate LIED to the police about very serious matters but that Jon had to be the one to release this to the media. What a crock of s*it. And then they go on to list every detail that THEY claim Jon has done and all of it is against Kate. They claim Kate is not their queen but she is, make no mistake, she. Nary a mention of all the nastiness Kate is guilty of. Disgusting.
Deliverence said... 172
I did notice that story faded away right quick. Oops.
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And another one surfaced:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/karena-virginia-becomes-tenth-woman-accuse-trump-sexual-misconduct-n670146
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And another
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/302350-adult-film-star-latest-to-accuse-trump
PA Dutch Mom said... 179
Sheep need to get a life and stop their delusional bleating. Jon did not sell the story. Jon did not pay someone to leak the story. Jon is not happy about the whole thing. Enough said.
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Thank you PA Dutch Mom. If only the sheeple would listen to those that really know the score.
kateplusmy8 Here's my Mak! I'm letting him have a short leash free jaunt! He's not limping and has been resting his injured 'ankle' like a good boy so we decided to pop a ball and have some other fun today! #Mak ❤️🐶❤️
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Why pop (ruin) a ball? Just give him one of those damn chickens that she seems to have never ending supply of.
Kylie said... 180
Well, its quite interesting how the sheeple have reacted to this news. It's Jon's fault, of course. He's the one who released this to the media according to them.
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Do the sheeple say what he was waiting for, LOL? Jon could have released this over a year ago, because surely he's known about it since he had to go to court to have his custody re-affirmed. He could have told Steve Harvey all about it. It is pretty clear that this info was NOT released by Jon. I am going with the theory that InTouch went the FOIA route, as they did with the Duggars, because I see no reason why Jon would want any info out there that would surely cause pain and embarrassment to his daughter. I could sooner see Kate releasing this than Jon.
@Deliverence I've seen Kate fans say Jon brainwash the kids to not go to Kate's that one video of them crying in the van.Of course none of them have ever gave the thought of Kate brainwashing her twin daughters to hate their father,badmouth him and praise them for doing it.To the Kate supporter who comes here to argue,answer this,has Jon ever praise his children whenever they said something negative about their mother?Has Jon ever put his kids on PEOPLE magazine and have his kids talk about the kind of relationship they have with their mother?Funny i don't ever remembering anywhere of Jon ever putting his kids on a media outlet and have them bash their mother.
Instead of deflecting, making a futile attempt at damage control and blaming Jon, the sheeple should just zip it and say nothing. The crazy things they come up with just makes them look more simple-minded than they already are. Why draw attention to it?
NJGal51 said... 183
Why pop (ruin) a ball? Just give him one of those damn chickens that she seems to have never ending supply of.
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Oh, she explains that. Not getting much traction out of today's Puppy Tale, Gladys is MIA for once.
sstow078 Oh my gosh did he pop that ball? I bought one from your recommendation on here!
kateplusmy8 Nanuq popped it and it's not the kind I mentioned on here! You're safe! Those are 'unpoppable' 😉 @sstow078
The sheeple need to get a grip and use the few brain cells they have and think about this. No matter how vile they believe Jon to be, do they honestly think that he would put this out there, that Jon would want Hannah's classmates and peers at school to look at her and wonder if she and her father had an 'inappropriate' relationship? Come on!
I'll play Devil's Advocate with the sheep. Let's say, for shits and giggles, that Jon decided to make the police report public, more than a year after the fact and at a time where, by his social media accounts, he is busy with his DJ career, happy with his gf and continuing to see the children of his which choose to visit.
In other words, in a word, "why".
Why? And why now?
Let me make another point. But for the fact that Kate accused Jon of kidnapping, selling drugs and having a suspicious/inappropriate relationship with Hannah, no report would exist.
What do you think of them apples?
If Kate hadn't lost her shit because Hannah wanted to stay with her father for a few days, citing discord in Kate's home, this would not have even been a police report or involvement.
The sheep have no capacity for critical thought. The egregious and deplorable nature of these acts which Jon was accused of by Kate should only be brought to bear if there is a preponderance of evidence to support them, not when Kate is reeling and raging, screaming for Hannah in the street.
Accusing a parent of what Kate did, without believing sincerely that the accusations are true, after much thought, consideration, evidence and a forthright effort to communicate with said parent, is a bridge too far.
Jon, as far as I know, has not been found to be responsible for any of these things. There's no way on God's green earth he would have unsupervised, overnight visitation with his kids if he did.
So, my thought for the sheep and their ridiculous finger pointing is this; If Jon did leak the report, and I don't think he did, what do you tell yourself to make you think it's ok for Kate to have leveled such heinous charges against the father of her children, particularly considering the timing?
Do you think it was exactly the same time that Hannah initiated her choice, her begging, to stay with her father?
C'mon. Think about it and be honest with yourselves.
The bottom line is that if you think Jon "needed rent money", then what did Kate need when she accused him of kidnapping, selling drugs and having a suspicious and/or inappropriate relationship with his daughter?
My guess? She needed that child present and accounted for in order to film. Or maybe Kate just loathes the idea of Jon having more than his court-ordered time with his kids, even if they are BEGGING to stay.
PA Dutch...how long after this happened did he actually see the police reports do you know? Is this new to him or has he known about it?
It makes zero sense for Jon to leak the report. What if people actually believe the allegations? That's scary for someone accused of such things even if there's not an ounce of truth to it.
All that said, I don't know what the sheep don't understand about the fact that WHO leaked the report is a separate issue, and that for some people, an irrelevant one.
If the timeline is as it sounds like it was, it sounds like the closer they got to the filming date, the more anxious Kate got to get Hannah back. It was all fun and games when they weren't filming the next day. As filming loomed, she got more desperate.
So following that thread, she was even willing to trot out allegations of sexual abuse as long as it would return her meal ticket. Very, very sick.
At least the first of the latest Trump women weren't setting up dates with him at his apartment before accusing him of touching her.
The second one absolutely gave him her number and went to his apartment, much like many of the other accusers.
By the way, there's a new Bill Clinton accuser, naturally not getting any airtime, and it's really disgusting, and unlike most of the Trump accusers, there's no room for interpretation that they were giving off a message they were consenting. In contrast, he showed up to HER workplace instead of inviting her back to his. He forced himself into her editing bay, and he assault her and climaxed. This occurred on three different occasions. Later, he showed up at her apartment, instead of the other way around. Thankfully she took some responsibility for her safety and refused to let him in, thank god. Her persisted with his knocking and calling to her for TEN MINUTES! I'd be terrified. I don't know why he's not arrested for sex assault and carted away in handcuffs.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/19/exclusive-video-interview-new-bill-clinton-sexual-assault-accuser-goes-public-first-time/
http://shar.es/1ZkT25
Spot on.
All that said, I don't know what the sheep don't understand about the fact that WHO leaked the report is a separate issue, and that for some people, an irrelevant one.
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It's their way to avoid the obvious. They can bleat about Jon selling the story with no regard how Hannah would feel about her privacy being invaded and having her picture all over the rag mags because he doesn't care about her feelings.
What's funny though is when Kate made the announcement in People, there wasn't a word from them about Collin's privacy being invaded or HIS picture all over the rag mags.
And of course, they couldn't blame Jon for selling the story, so their deflection was to say the non-fans were treating the incident as if having behavior problems was something to be ashamed of.
I tend to think it was just a FOIA request nothing more nothing less.
If I were a sheep though, I would think to myself you can't rule out that Kate leaked this.
There's always a possibility Kate leaked the report. In her mentally ill mind, she might not realize that most people are going to read it and label her the psycho one. She might actually think she was completely justified in her outrage, and that if she made the accusations she did, there must be some truth behind them. I don't think she has any understanding of the way people have decided her actions are insanity.
I wouldn't bleat so loudly if I were a sheep.
As I said above, I find it impossible to believe that Jon would publicly volunteer the details of this report, I don't think he would ever embarrass/ stigmatize his child like that. And as Admin pointed out, even though it's not true, it could have a negative impact on his life and career.
But you know who would? The same woman who stood out in the street screaming for her child to come out, neighbors be damned (was that better, smarter, more effective than a phone call to Jon?). The same woman who was all smiles and happy-family on the cover of a national magazine in which she announced to the world that her son had had to be sent away from home. What prompted her in both cases? Her future filming career. Because these are NOT things that can happen---unless carefully controlled, packaged, and broadcast by Kate and Kate alone---in GosselinLand. She is so desperate to hold on to her pathetic little show that the sacrifice and/or humiliation of one or more of her kids means nothing. And she's got a plan for the future, kids or no kids: She'll just keep adding puppies.
By the way, there's a new Bill Clinton accuser, naturally not getting any airtime,
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Bill Clinton isn't running for president, which might explain why simwthing alleged to have happened 36 years ago isn't getting major coverage.
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You've regurgitated the party line. Pay no attention to this, he's not running for president. It's not the media intentionally ignoring it, it's just not objectively relevant. Bullshit.
You conveniently leave out that we're not talking about Jimmy Carter here. Hilary is his WIFE, and her entire campaign is trying to bring down their opponent based on some similar if not much less serious encounters with women. Do you not see the problem here? She's MARRIED to the biggest womanizer in politics, thus she directly condones such behavior. Moreover, she accused anyone who tried to take issue with her husband's deplorable behavior towards women as part of a vast right wing conspiracy. Now that the shoe is on the other foot suddenly it's a problem. I've never seen such pearl clutching hypocrisy. Either this behavior is a problem or it's not. You can't have it both ways.
As far as your 30 years comment, don't forget the latest interns to come out worked for the Clinton Foundation, and were talking about his completely inappropriate advances, including foot rubbing, that occurred only in the past couple years. Very recent and incredibly alarming.
By the way, Cosby's not running for president. How come he got lots of airtime, but Clinton's sexual assaults warrant nothing more than a footnote?
The media is in the Clinton's pocket and they don't even try to hide it. The only ridiculous part of this is that their supporters deny it. It's in the wiki leaks how much the media coddles them. It's very detailed. Here's just one of many gems: a reporter Glenn Thrush at Politico asked the campaign to review his story prior to publication and asked them not to tell anyone he was asking them. This is not a theory, folks. It's PROVEN.
I stated a fact. Bill Clinton is not running for president.
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Your fact is irrelevant. His wife is. The woman married to him. As long as she stays with him, she condones him. It is also well documented that she made every effort to shut down his victims. She is not an innocent bystander.
Should she choose to leave him, things would be different.
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