Update 9/14/2016:Officials confirmed Toby Nathaniel Willis was charged with rape of a child. According to reports, the victim was raped when she was between the ages of 9 and 12 while living in Ashland City.
The report stated she was removed by Willis from her bed and raped. The reports added unlawful penetration by Willis took place when the child was older than 3 but younger than 13.
Authorities confirmed Willis was told he was not allowed to go around his biological children or his wife."
http://www.newschannel5.com/news/local-news/reports-say-toby-willis-allegedly-raped-female-family-member
“We have, and will continue, to fully cooperate with law enforcement officials and ask that you direct all inquires regarding Toby Willis’ case to the District Attorney’s office who have our complete support.”
The TBI is also seeking the public’s assistance in finding anyone who may have given Willis a ride while he was hitchhiking to Greenville, Ky., to escape arrest after being charged.
The TBI said Willis accepted rides from at least two people sometime between Sept. 5 and Sept. 6 from Shepherdsville, Ky., just south of Louisville, to Greenville approximately 115 miles away.http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/cheatham/2016/09/14/court-date-set-willis-clan-father-child-rape-charge/90363128/
http://www.newschannel5.com/news/local-news/reports-say-toby-willis-allegedly-raped-female-family-member
9/11/2016:
Toby Willis has been arrested without bond after an investigation into a child rape 12 years ago.
While details remain scarce, reports are Willis was in Kentucky when he was arrested, and he is expected to be extradited to his home state of Tennessee.
https://tbinews.wordpress.com/2016/09/09/ashland-city-man-arrested-charged-in-ongoing-tbi-child-rape-case/
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life of being a side piece.
I think putting off airing episodes (or never airing them) only affects the kids in as much as Kate allows it to.
Of course, she'll allow it to, as she did last time with her "piecing and patching" and "It's to soon!!!!" to cancel.
In reality, Kate's been living on the edge by putting all her eggs into the reality tv basket. She's had an AMAZING ride, and has been in the business long enough to realize that one day, it will go away.
If she refuses to acknowledge that fact, she's willfully ignorant.
When TLC cancels her show again, no one will feel sorry for her. No one wants to hear how she can't make ends meet and that nursing will take her away from her kids or heaven forbid, how being mediocre is like asking her to live in a slum.
I think the vast majority of folks are sick of her entitlement and need to live in luxury.
It must have been a kick in the chops to have Kate's show pushed back again, if that's even true. I was fairly convinced it would air in October, and dovetail with the People article.
The last time Kate put her kids on the front cover of a tabloid (with exploitative headlines), it got her a media junket in NYC and I think preceded new episodes airing after a second media tour.
I don't think this latest People appearance has given her any bump. If anything, people were appalled that she would continue to reveal her kids' struggles, including sending one boy to live out of the home, 4 kids rejecting their father, and a very angry young lady in Mady.
Kate wanted to portray her kids as she is; suffering, but strong. Instead, people are horrified to see such a sad saga play out, in this once intact, Christian exemplar of a HOM mediocre family.
But I guess it's the hard knock
life of being a side piece.
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The thing is, Kate never let the notion of falling from favor and waning in popularity enter her egotistic mind.
"For now?"
I wonder if TLC doesn't want to go forth with airing new episodes until Colin is back in the home. It seems very cold to see Colin as road kill, like Jon.
It was cold as hell to just cast aside Jon and his role in the show, and continue on as if he wasn't even alive. That's how they treated Jon, truly.
Now, a child? Really? One kid down, oh well. Next! Let's just go on without him! Vacations! Puppies! Chaos!
It boggles my mind that TLC continues this family that is falling apart.
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This reminds me of a bad relationship where the significant other keeps promising something and never delivers. But the person is too entrenched in it to call BS on them and leave.
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Like your boyfriend getting really mad at you for the first time and hits you. It is shocking and it hurts. He leaves and then comes back with flowers and tells you he is never going to do it again.
But he always does.
LOL. January airing now? Ridiculous, TLC. Let's see if there is anymore filming around the twin's birthday. Sounds to me TLC is apprehensive about the Collin situation and generally realizing the show is stale so they are pursuing new shows while keeping Kate in the wings as outdated filler. I bet anything her "new season" never airs. LOL. None of those kids are worth following into adulthood if that is what Kate was envisioning. She may have to start living off her proceeds from investments.
Man. those episodes will be so OLD by January! Who will watch them ? Surely no more will be made. They have a plethora in the TLC vault by now, if the summer sightings mean anything.
Interestingly, I'm watching Sunday Morning and there's a segment on about success vs. luck. Very mathematical, luck.
I think Kate truly believes she's successful and deserving, vs. just plain old lucky. She thinks she's earned her windfall, when really, she jarred lightning. Those tups came along at just the right time, born to parents itching to rise above their station in life, and willing to sign all of their lives over to a corporation.
HspncElvis @HspncElvis 10h10 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 Well I've met Kate. Easy to talk to. Funny and put up with me.
I remember this. Kate almost didn't bother contacting him after bantering with him on Twitter for weeks about meeting up in San Diego. But then certain fans got involved on Twitter (and maybe behind the scenes), and finally a little photo op with Steve was arranged at the end of the race. Not even a cup of coffee with a guy she'd been Tweeting with for a couple of years at that point. For all her "I'd love to meet you," she almost never follows through on fan contacts. Maybe she thinks that anyone interested in meeting her would have to be out of their minds.
There's something odd about bragging about being a 'with it' mom 'hanging out' with your 16 year old daughter. I really thought TLC would make a big thing about the twins' 16th milestone..maybe they will, but January? that has to be very disappointing for her after broadcasting October. The People article has done her no favours.
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I wonder if after the Willis scandal, TLC has decided to lay low on airing more Kate plus 8, due to Collin's situation. They've been the subject of criticism in the last couple of years with Honey Boo Boo, the Duggars and now the Willis family.
Perhaps, they don't want to risk any more controversy and criticism right now by airing Kate plus 8 at this time, when Collin's situation is fresh in the minds of the public. They're probably waiting for it blow over before they'll air new episodes, hoping that the public will forget the controversy surrounding Kate's decision to send Collin away. They are also probably trying to figure out how to spin the situation so it doesn't damage the TLC brand.
I read this quote today and it basically sums up reality TV:
“Truth has a low priority in the misnomer known as reality TV.”
I wonder if after the Willis scandal, TLC has decided to lay low on airing more Kate plus 8, due to Collin's situation. They've been the subject of criticism in the last couple of years with Honey Boo Boo, the Duggars and now the Willis family.
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It wouldn't surprise me at all if they want to just play it low key right now, air their least controversial programming and let some time pass.
They're going to have to explain Collin to viewers somehow. If they have a very special episode about Collin in the can, I can see them wanting to push that forward as much as possible while viewers "get over" their latest, what is turning out to be VERY serious, debacle.
I see the Colin issue not so much as the decision to admit him to an inpatient program but more about continuing without him.
Just like they did with Jon.
It seems very cold.
If filming content reflects Kate's social media, then it would seem pretty callous.
Still, not one word from kate about missing her son. Just all about hanging out with her mini me and puppypallooza.
When I see Mady all i can think of is how awful she is to her father
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All I can think of is how alienated she is against him. It's astounding.
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. . . They're going to have to explain Collin to viewers somehow.
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But we have no idea how long he's gone for. Maybe by the time the show airs again, he'll be back? Just from some of the comments I've read, people talk about sending their "behavioral"-problem kids away for from weeks to years. Since we don't know the nature of the problem, nor where she sent him, it's possible he'll be back and filming well before January. Then again, I suppose if it was short-term, she wouldn't have felt compelled to disclose it in People.
I just don't understand how TLC thinks they're going to get people to watch Kate Plus 7---no matter how many cute puppies are running around.
When I see Mady, all that I can think of is she's a chip off the old Mommy. She's so much like Kate, and that's gonna work against her sooner rather than later.
Kate is probably very angry that the air date got pushed based to January. Kate is all about control and she can't control this, TLC does. And they are going to do what they want, when they want. To TLC this is a business and they control the bottom line. Kate is yesterday's news, the People article didn't get the desired affect, so why would TLC want to air it.
I know, Tucker. It also seems Collin does not come home for weekends- wouldn't TFW at least post a picture of his reaction to the puppies? That would prove she's a loving mother who is doing the best thing for Collin. Isn't he 2 hours away? I surely hope he's home for Christmas at least.
It's possible that Collin will not ever be filmed again if his doctor/therapist feels filming is detrimental. Didn't the contract with TLC say ALL the kids must film? Could be there is some legal battle between her and TLC going on and thus the delay in airing. Just a thought.
There's something odd about bragging about being a 'with it' mom 'hanging out' with your 16 year old daughter. I really thought TLC would make a big thing about the twins' 16th milestone..maybe they will, but January? that has to be very disappointing for her after broadcasting October. The People article has done her no favours.
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What was the original original original date? May? Has anyone kept track of how many different dates have been thrown out?
Formerly Duped (#18), there's so much even before Christmas that will be sad for C to miss. His big sisters' 16th birthday, Halloween, and Thanksgiving. Poor little dude. But as so many have said, I hope he is getting the love, respect, and one-on-one attention he desperately sought from his mother.
Turtle (#17), such a great point about TFW's control issues. It must drive her bat**** crazy to not know when the episodes will air. This is a woman who rewarded her children one mini M&M at a time so she could control their portions, and beat them when they dared to help themselves.
Well, count me as one who believes that TFW is beginning to shake in her grifted Uggs boots.
She's on record saying there can never be enough money and a lot of her actions re: expecting others to help her pay for raising her 8 little ATM's were documented in Robert's book. Does anyone else remember her saying on one of the talk shows that once the kids are grown/turn 18 you'll never hear from me again or something to that effect? So if part of TFW's master plan when having her multiples was for other people to help pay for the cost of raising them to adulthood, then she would have HER money left to carry her through the rest of her life. So she's got to be worried about the possibility of the show being cancelled (again).
I agree that TFW has a lot of money stashed away and the kids have paid in full/enough to carry them thru 4 years advanced education college funds which neither parent can access. In addition, she probably pays reduced tuition at the kids' school since there are so many of them and the school is vested in them. Now if the kids' pay from the show goes into the trusts which she can legally access to pay for their expenses such as education, clothing, food, etc. you know she will use as much of their money as she legally can in order to pay those expenses and probably a few others that she can justify. The first time the show was cancelled, there was plenty of money in the kids' trusts to pay their expenses, but since they haven't been filming as much (I think she exaggerates the amount of filming they've done) there is probably less money in those trusts this time. So TFW's moral and ethical dilemma becomes does she continue accessing the kids' trusts to pay for their expenses for the next 4-6 years and risk them being left with very little money to show for their childhood years of hard work or to start using her own money to pay more of the family expenses?
I've always thought that the unpaid bills TFW cries about is the ones she can't use the money in her kids' trusts to pay.
I'm now wondering if TLC is going to take this opportunity to cancel her completely. Collin being absent really does upset the apple cart from a branding perspective, and provides TLC the perfect rationale for jettisoning the show. I can see them doing update specials from time to time, but maybe they were looking for a reason not to bring her back for a "full" (whatever that means in TLC Land) season.
Localyocul, I think Kate had mentioned April, May, August, and October for air dates. April 30 did in fact happen, but only online (the 10-year anniversary special). How odd that an anniversary "special" would be relegated to online, pay-per-view only. That's gotta mean something.
Another new cooking/party planning show premiered this morning starring someone most of the country will not know by name: David Burtka, who is Neil Patrick Harris' husband. But poor ol' cookbook writin' TFW can't get a gig. I think she should have called that book Failure Is In The Mix.
Has anyone kept track of how many different dates have been thrown out?
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Figure 8 films says December -- but they don't specify which year.
I really thought TLC would make a big thing about the twins' 16th milestone..
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The problem with that is that the twins were never the real draw. They were just there as part of the background supporting cast. The twins were never given the elaborate birthday parties that the tups were given so why start now with an over the top sweet (Mady is anything but) 16 party. I think TFW has been trying to market Mady as a sassy teen but she screwed up with that People interview. Mady turned people off with her attitude and TFW turned them off even more with her praise of Mady's attitude.
Gladys is falling asleep on the job. She hasn't tried to get TFW to comment on how C is doing,
and how much she misses him. But she's been so drunk on the attention she's gotten from her puppy comments that she's forgotten her job of trying
to make TFW seem human. It's about time for her to give TFW an opening to spout some boo-hoo flowery feelings #MissMyBoy#ComeHomeSoon#K8+7:(
I'm going to make a prediction Collin will never film again. There is no easy way for tlc to deal with this.
Admin (#28), if you're right, and this signals the end of the show, and TFW's 1% life, I fear she'll never forgive C, and will punish him for the rest
of his live. Just like she's done with Jon.
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I know, Tucker. It also seems Collin does not come home for weekends- wouldn't TFW at least post a picture of his reaction to the puppies? That would prove she's a loving mother who is doing the best thing for Collin. Isn't he 2 hours away? I surely hope he's home for Christmas at least.
September 18, 2016 at 8:55 AM
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Not one mention of Colin visiting home, or anyone going to see him. Sure, Kate could be keeping that stuff private, but c'mon, this is Kate. She's the one who put it out there in the first place, when the world at large would have been none the wiser if she decided to keep it private.
Oh, wait, how to explain Colin's absence when you continue to film without him? Not film? Shut the exploitation train down for the sake of the family's privacy?
Naaaaaaaaaaaaah.
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I'm going to make a prediction Collin will never film again. There is no easy way for tlc to deal with this.
September 18, 2016 at 9:57 AM
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I can't imagine that any doctor, therapist or social worker would think filming was a positive therapeutic modality, or innocuous, or even benign.
I don't think being on tv for one more minute is good for Colin. Well, that goes for all of the kids, but Colin would be actually put at risk if Kate keeps exploiting him and making his life and challenges public.
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Another new cooking/party planning show premiered this morning starring someone most of the country will not know by name: David Burtka, who is Neil Patrick Harris' husband. But poor ol' cookbook writin' TFW can't get a gig. I think she should have called that book Failure Is In The Mix.
September 18, 2016 at 9:30 AM
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I'm seeing a trend of celebs getting cooking shows. It's like they're rich and famous, but really enjoy cooking and entertaining. It's like getting a peak into their real lives.
Brian Boitano, Valerie Bertinelli, Tiffany Amber Wasshername, Patricia Heaton, Trisha Yearwood...
ALL the kids have been affected by Collin and filming. It would not surprise me that whatever intervention took place with him also is going on with the others who hopefully are seeing therapists because if what Mady said in People is any indication, those kids are in trouble. ITA Collin will no longer be filmed and TLC should take that as a good way to end the ruin of this family and walk away from Kate. She has served her purpose but those days of blockbuster ratings are long gone. Problem is, I don't believe she is capable of accepting it's over.
Tucker's Mom (#32), yesterday was the first episode of the 4th season of Valerie Bertinelli's cooking show. She's featured lots of longtime friends on many episodes, including her "One Day
At A Time" co-star from 40 years ago, Mackenzie Phillips, with whom she's stayed close.
Can you imagine TFW doing a show like Valerie's?
Week 1: Jamie!
Week 2: Deanna!
Week 3: Jamie! Oh, wait, I just had her on! Steve, get Farmer Henry on the phone and see if the Amish are allowed to do cooking shows...
I've always thought that the unpaid bills TFW cries about is the ones she can't use the money in her kids' trusts to pay.
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There are ways to get at less-than-immediately-liquid monies. If you have to pay a penalty for selling stock, or accessing your 401K, for example, you fricking do it. You DON'T go on a media tour crying that you can't keep the roof over your kids' heads.
WTF is that?
If Jon really did screw Kate over and take funds he shouldn't have, she had other means of paying a "purse-full" of bills. Shut up, call your financial advisors and lawyers, get some money into your checking accounts, pay your bills, and recoup your losses from Jon, in court or otherwise.
Kate thinks no one else in the world understands various money accounts and financial investing.
Gee, can someone help me balance my checkbook? Please?????
They're going to have to explain Collin to viewers somehow. If they have a very special episode about Collin in the can, I can see them wanting to push that forward as much as possible while viewers "get over" their latest, what is turning out to be VERY serious, debacle.
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If TLC shows a very special episode about Colin, that is nothing short of unmitigated crazy.
An innocent, young abused little boy, having to be sent away from his brothers and sisters, his pets, his father. His mother wants to continue to film and make money.
And to top it all off, he hasn't seen his father in 2 years!
And you want the world to really see and hear about this, FOR MONEY AND RATINGS!?!
If TLC and TFW do make this horribly wrong decision, I hope the wrath is swift and unbearable.
Problem is, I don't believe she is capable of accepting it's over.
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She must see the signs that it's over, but she will not accept it. She's living in her fantasy world, but I somehow can't believe she's that delusional not to see the writing on the wall. She's putting on a good front for the few sheeple that are left, but I wonder that, if internally she sees the signs of her demise and refuses to admit it. Right before her show was cancelled, she ran that idiotic contest to keep her alive. She knew dang well it was over, and although she grasped at straws in the final hour, she still wouldn't give up the ghost.
She will die a proverbial slow death. She's the Marta Becket of TLC, once a Broadway darling now spends her waning years still going on stage and performing every night even when no one is sitting in the audience.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marta_Becket
The Philly Rock and Roll half marathon was this morning. Kate was there, right? I guess the running was a fad. Just like these puppies are a fad. They won't be puppies forever. Kate will be on to the next shiny thing.
Thank you Admin for posting the link to Marta.
Like Marta said, Everything comes to an end.
Even me.
I can't imagine how angry TFW is at Colin for not being able to be filmed AND at TLC for stalling showing the episodes in the can and possibly not filming at all!
I can't imagine how angry TFW is at Colin for not being able to be filmed
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On the other hand, maybe she really doesn't care. It's one less thorn in her side. She doesn't have to drag him around, nor make ungrateful comments about a gift he gives her. I really wonder if she is upset that he's not around for filming. Somehow, I doubt it. For her, the show will go on, with or without him and she doesn't have to make excuses for him not being there.
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Food network can't wait to film that!!!
They can all open a can and dump it in a pan.
Marta Becket had talent. TFW, not so much.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 21
Formerly Duped (#18), there's so much even before Christmas that will be sad for C to miss. His big sisters' 16th birthday, Halloween, and Thanksgiving.
I'd say, not necessarily a bad thing for C to be away. A big bday party may be too stressful for him as could Halloween. The chaos of a big Christmas morning, with gifts flying may be hard for someone that may have a hard time focusing. It's not like Kate would go out of her way to make anything peaceful or quiet, shes the loudest mouth in the house. Even though the twins should know better, but w/ Kate raising them they probably don't have or know how to show any empathy towards C. It's sad to think of a child no home for the holidays, but he may be in a program where it is not like a big cold institution, but more of a homey atmosphere. So I say, the more time he's away from Kate, the better for him. Maybe he's in a great program and getting all the opportunities normal kids have, like learning to play w/ team mates on a ball field, working on school work, or legos w/o someone constantly screaming and yelling about messes.
Has it been confirmed that Collin will be away for the holidays? Did I miss something?
And how in the name of all that's holy do these non-fans come up with things like this? Near insanity?
"Kate Gosselin has abused her son Collin to near insanity bc she hates him. She has always hated him."
I mean, come on. Enough is enough...
Kate Gosselin has abused her son Collin to near insanity bc she hates him. She has always hated him.
Kate has never had a problem letting go and never looking back. It's coming down to only a few, very few loved ones in Kates life. Collin has been a thorn in her side for a very long time. What loving mother on this planet treats her son with special needs the way she treated Collin when she opened his gift to her? Where are the maternal feelings? Her own parents, sisters, many friends that helped out when the tups were born, have been tossed aside. I will never understand. Hugs Collin.
Tlc schedule is up to Oct 1....no K8+8 yet.....
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I've always thought that the unpaid bills TFW cries about is the ones she can't use the money in her kids' trusts to pay.
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There are ways to get at less-than-immediately-liquid monies. If you have to pay a penalty for selling stock, or accessing your 401K, for example, you fricking do it. You DON'T go on a media tour crying that you can't keep the roof over your kids' heads.
WTF is that?
If Jon really did screw Kate over and take funds he shouldn't have, she had other means of paying a "purse-full" of bills. Shut up, call your financial advisors and lawyers, get some money into your checking accounts, pay your bills, and recoup your losses from Jon, in court or otherwise.
You know it occurs to me Kate may have made the mistake of her life pulling that little stunt with People magazine. If TLC feels like they don't want the bad press right now, they have a huge incentive to pull the plug on her and they won't look like the bad guy. They can spin it like they're doing it for Colin's best interest, they're the "hero." If they're thinking of getting out, it's a win-win for them.
She never thinks ahead. Never. It was about collecting that People check right there and then, not thinking how it might affect her longevity.
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Tlc schedule is up to Oct 1....no K8+8 yet.....
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She said there are more coming in January. By her own admission, October is out.
Remember the remark she made about the camp for special needs kids...that it is gives the parents a break when they send them there? Kate doesn't think before she speaks and most likely never imagined that a "special needs" kid would apply to her.
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admin said, "You know it occurs to me Kate may have made the mistake of her life pulling that little stunt with People magazine."
Yep. Big mistake. Huge. She really shot herself in the foot this time, and that this little publicity stunt has certainly backfired on her. Wouldn't you think that she should have learned by now? Oh, wait...this is Kate. However, she has Gladys to deflect and do damage control. That should take care of it. Gladys is on round-the-clock duty right now, what with the puppies and platitudes.
@Admin This tweet by her also didn't make her look good either,like really?Your kid is sent away and you're happy to be on the cover of people and telling your fans to go get a copy? Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 Aug 24
Hey! We are on cover of @people this week AND it's OUT NOW! #TenYearsLater #PeopleShootPicForMemories
Looks like some of the clowns have been arrested. Nothing, though, about their monkeys being behind bars. Maybe their cigarettes were taken away and the nicotine fit is punishment enough.
"Authorities claimed their first win against Clownpocalypse as Flomaton, Alabama police may have finally put the brakes on a clown reign of terror spreading across the South.
After a series of threatening posts on the “Flomo Clown” Facebook page, authorities in the Alabama town took two juveniles and one adult into custody on Thursday in connection with the incident."
@Admin and what you said reminds me of the Honey boo boo case where the show was a train wreck but TLC had no reason to cancel it until word got out about the sex scandal with mama's boyfriend and her daughter.When that came out...BOOM the show was cancelled.I may not be defending June but i feel she's right in saying that it's unfair that TLC was quick to cancel her but still hold on to the duggars though Jill and Jessa and that without Josh,all will be forgiven.I also remember June saying something about talking with someone who worked for Kate and said that she was a total B1tch.If Kate really is a handful with TLC and demanding you could be right in regards to using the Collin thing as an excuse to cancel.(hopefully)
Kate continues to make the same mistake over and over. Why she thinks she's still a hot commodity seven years after her peak is a mystery to me. When TLC canned her in 2011, they made sure to humiliate her at the same time (those wonderfully "edited" RV episodes). When they said she was cancelled, and even as she made her rounds of the tab shows, there wasn't any huge outcry from fans demanding that they bring her back--nothing at all like the wave that swelled up for the Duggars when they got pulled last year. It was clear then that the public could take her or leave her.
In 2016, TLC undeniably holds all the cards. Kate has absolutely no power in this situation. So if they just quietly cancel her this time without any nasty edits, she'd be smart to just keep her mouth shut, exit stage left, and be grateful--i.e., no morning show appearances, no People covers crying poor and talking about working at McDonald's, etc. She's never going to have to work again as it is, and everyone--especially TLC--knows it. And if she's nice, maybe they'll be willing to throw her a bone once a year.
Anyone think she'll disappear with dignity?
Naaah.
.When that came out...BOOM the show was cancelled.I may not be defending June but i feel she's right in saying that it's unfair that TLC was quick to cancel her but still hold on to the duggars though Jill and Jessa and that without Josh,all will be forgiven.
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Yes I agree with June too that was hypocritical. I think they were looking for an excuse to move on from a show getting too out of control and that was a perfect one.
And that's why I'm saying if they want to get out of this Gosselin mess now's their opportunity.
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I wish when she started grifting full time when they lived in E town,
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She was grifting full time before they made the move to Elizabethtown.
Anyone think she'll disappear with dignity?
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She may not have a choice as I doubt any of the morning talk shows will book her after the debacle with the twins. She'll have to make do with leaks to ROL, an occasional radio show appearance, and a once every 6 month story in the tabloids. Hopefully, someone above Kate Coyne will make sure there are no more People covers for TFW, with or without her kids.
Now if she and Mama June were to team up for a 'TLC Done Us Wrong Tour' . . .
That's how YOU need to feel, not what everyone needs. The entertainment industry is inherently unstable and some people thrive in that and would rather do anything but work a "stable" 9-5 job. The world is full of people who don't think, feel and act just like you and for you to characterize their choices as "unhealthy" speaks to your narrow-mindedness.
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Oh yeah LOADS of healthy and stable people have come out of this industry! Let's get real, it is NOT a functional job, dozens upon dozens of actors and actresses have explained very clearly why it is not an healthy place, the drugs and alcohol and mental instability is rampant, the sexual harassment, sexism, racism and abuse is a daily occurrence and a scientific study proved that there are an unusually high number of narcissists who gravitate toward it. Those who are honest admit that yes this is not a healthy place but because I love acting so much, or the money, it's worth it.
In any case I'm not talking about adults who can CHOOSE to have an unhealthy worklife. I'm talking about CHILDREN, who deserve better.
If anyone is thriving in dysfunction, they need to go to therapy to find out why that is. And I'm not talking about not having bankers' hours, it is so much more than that and you know it.
Anyone think she'll disappear with dignity?
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Nope. Not a chance. Years from now she'll be standing on that empty stage, singing Send in the Clowns to dusty seats and broken lights as a janitor mops in the back.
Nope. Not a chance. Years from now she'll be standing on that empty stage, singing Send in the Clowns to dusty seats and broken lights as a janitor mops in the back.
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And when a paranormal show does an investigation in that theater decades and decades from now, a disembodied voice will be heard in an EVP, "Mine, all mine, as far as the eye can see."
Charmain Carr, who played Liesl, of the movie, Sound of Music has died.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/charmian-carr-sound-of-musics-liesl-has-died/ar-BBwk2NX?li=BBnbfcL
Charmian Carr was in college taking classes in speech therapy and philosophy and making extra spending money by modeling fashions at one of the stores.
The director/producer had been searching for 4 months for a girl to play the part of Liesl. Her friend, without her knowledge, sent in a picture and a note and to her surprise, he called her up and asked her to come in and try out.
The rest is history.
There are PLENTY of healthy, adjusted folk working in the entertainment industry.
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The fact that there may be some healthy people in the entertainment industry does not mean that stringing Kate along like a puppet is "healthy." One does not prove the other.
That's like saying it's okay to rape a child because they grew up and turned out just fine.
If you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe these numerous people interviewed about the punishing hours:
http://www.businessinsider.com/gavin-polone-on-grueling-hollywood-production-jobs-set-schedule-2013-8
And these A-list women about the sexism:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/25/sexism-in-hollywood-women-problem-inequality_n_4867219.html
And here's Elijah Wood talking about the growing problem of pedophilia in the industry: http://consequenceofsound.net/2016/05/former-child-stars-say-hollywood-pedophilia-is-a-growing-problem-not-a-shrinking-problem/
Bill Cosby, Bill Blankinship, Toby Willis....
One word spoken over and over again, "brutal."
That's how YOU need to feel, not what everyone needs. The entertainment industry is inherently unstable and some people thrive in that and would rather do anything but work a "stable" 9-5 job.
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You really think the Gosselin kids are all "thriving" in that environment? We know now that at least one was not. And, BTW, the kids actually do have a 9-5 job---school--in addition to filming on demand. Unlike their lazy-ass mother.
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GollyGee said... 199
I wish when she started grifting full time when they lived in E town,
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She was grifting full time before they made the move to Elizabethtown.
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Oh, I forgot! She lived with how many boyfriends in their family's home and had their mother's waiting on her hand and foot while she was at nursing school trying to pass classes, graduate, get a rich doctor and retire from nursing.
Then along came Jon. da da da da da
ALONG CAME JON! DA DA DA DA DA
You really think the Gosselin kids are all "thriving" in that environment? We know now that at least one was not. And, BTW, the kids actually do have a 9-5 job---school--in addition to filming on demand. Unlike their lazy-ass mother.
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And it should be pointed out that child actors almost always have set tutors and go to a special school, so that school work is not taking up their entire day and they have time to film without cramming in a 10 hour day on top of that filled with school or school-related activities.
Between school, activities and homework the average NON-working kid their age is spending 6am to 8, 9 or more o'clock at night on weekdays focused on that. Where does filming fit in? They must be exhausted. No, it's actually not functional, and no amount of poo-pooing proves otherwise. Worst case scenario they associate working with nothing but misery, and lose all desire and excitement to work a real job when they are adults.
And when a paranormal show does an investigation in that theater decades and decades from now, a disembodied voice will be heard in an EVP, "Mine, all mine, as far as the eye can see."
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Comment of the day.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 49
She never thinks ahead. Never. It was about collecting that People check right there and then, not thinking how it might affect her longevity.
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Like my grandpa said she'd cut off her own nose to spite her face.
Oh, I forgot! She lived with how many boyfriends in their family's home and had their mother's waiting on her hand and foot while she was at nursing school trying to pass classes, graduate, get a rich doctor and retire from nursing.
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Just one that I recall. Adam Miller. She was engaged to him and she was a nursing student at the time.
Were there other ones with whom she lived, and their mothers waited on her hand and foot?
Admin (#65), and as has been pointed out many times, child actors are portraying characters, which they can leave on the set at the end of the day. The G kids ARE their characters. And their home is their set. It's a disturbing and unnatural lifestyle, and they never asked for it. It was foisted upon them before they were old enough to make decisions for themselves. And, more than a decade later, it's the only life they've ever known. They will never, ever get those carefree childhood years back.
Because there are 8 children, we're going to see a wide range of reactions to filming when they're grown up. I think we'll get one who loved it and wants to keep going, one who is narcissistic like Kate, one who just wants to be private, one who feels destroyed by it, that sort of thing. I don't think Kate will ever change. Most narcissists don't.
Some actors love the industry. Some just make some money. The difference is they are playing roles. It can be difficult to keep their private lives private but many do it. The adults all choose to act. Many of the kids want to act. I've seen many sitcoms where I could tell the actor had a cold. But the actors are not filmed throwing up or going to the bathroom. They are not filmed being spanked or other punishments. I don't have a big issue with acting. I don't even have much of a problem with adults on reality shows. I do really worry about Gosselins and other children like them.
I'm going to make a prediction Collin will never film again. There is no easy way for tlc to deal with this.
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Didn't we learn that part of the original J&K+8 contract was that all family members had to be available for filming - no exceptions? I would have thought that a similar requirement would have been included in subsequent contracts. But apparently not. I seriously doubt Kate would send Collin to live off-site if it meant breaking/losing the TLC contract.
From twitter.
Justice4Mommy
@Justice4Mommy
Berks County Children & Youth Services practices Parental Alienation not reunification. The WORST form of child abuse.
https://twitter.com/Justice4Mommy/status/375606364711976960
Is anyone else here following the 20th anniversary of the JonBenet Ramsey case? Fascinating stuff but also strange. More questions than answers and every time I think one argument has merit there's something else that turns me 180.
I may not be defending June but i feel she's right in saying that it's unfair that TLC was quick to cancel her but still hold on to the duggars though Jill and Jessa and that without Josh,all will be forgiven
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I'm no lawyer, but I think June would have some ground to sue TLC for cancelling her show for the reasons that TLC stated.
FFS, Josh molest 5 YOUNG GIRLS, 4 of which were his sisters among them, a 5-year old whom Josh put on his lap and violated her genitals.
His parents KNEW and COVERED IT UP, yet their mugs are back on tv.
I never could stand June and HBB as I've always found them appallingly crass and just wrong, but she got screwed because TLC had a convenient excuse to can her.
Kate, otoh, has divorced Jon, has been openly antagonistic against him for YEARS, has poo-pooed the FACT that a pedophile edited untold hours of her show's raw footage, has been utterly negligent in co-parenting with the father of her children and has fostered an environment where now fully HALF of her children have severed their relationship with their father, with one child openly encouraged to voice disdain for Jon, and now, one boy has been sent out of the home because she is not equipped to find a way to help him while he stays with his family.
Tell me how the hell you put lipstick on that pig. How? Seriously, how do people see the fakey-fake smiles and think it's OK?
Yes I agree with June too that was hypocritical. I think they were looking for an excuse to move on from a show getting too out of control and that was a perfect one.
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HBB went from a sassy, toddler-pageant darling to a vulgar, overweight* and impertinent child who was just awful to watch.
*Not being cruel here. I think watching June and the other adults foment type II diabetes in HBB was sickening to watch.
She may not have a choice as I doubt any of the morning talk shows will book her after the debacle with the twins
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IIRC, Kate did get on the Today show after that, to promote the "new season"-the last one, including the "blind date heard 'round the world" (not!).
She appeared briefly in the 4th hour with Kathie Lee and Hoda, was vague and usual and spoke obliquely about "twists and turns", whatevah the f*ck that means ;-)
Tamara said... 73
Is anyone else here following the 20th anniversary of the JonBenet Ramsey case? Fascinating stuff but also strange. More questions than answers and every time I think one argument has merit there's something else that turns me 180.
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I caught some of Dr. Phil last week. He had the brother and father on. I find them both strange, and Burke has a very strange affect.
I find myself feeling sorry for the family, and also feeling like they're covering up the murder.
I really don't know what to think.
It seems to me that the whole thing was mishandled and allowed to become a circus.
Tucker's Mom (#74), and as if that list of offenses wasn't egregious enough, how about the release of the TFW's journal, with details of not only her abuse of her children, but of her nasty, greedy, unappreciative true self?
To me, one of the worst details was her RELIEF that another woman carrying multiples had lost
a few of her embryos. This reaction from someone who moved heaven and earth to have more children (or so she claimed), and would have intimate knowledge of the pain and disappointment this stranger was experiencing. But all TFW saw was,
a "competitor" was eliminated. She won. If that's all I knew about Katie Irene Gosselin as
a human being, I would be disgusted.
I'm obsessed with the JonBenet Ramsey case and once had the opportunity to have dinner with about ten classmates, my professor, and Lin Wood, the family's attorney.
Lin was a gem, so generous. He went through all the evidence piece by piece. It was truly a pinnacle moment for this true crime geek.
There is an awesome reddit thread with the lead investigator, google it you'll find it. He feels the prosecutor was way too quick to rule out the family. Another interesting comment he made is that there was simply no other case out there like this, so it made it very hard for investigators to find patterns and compare them to what happened in other cases.
Tucker's Mom said... 75
Yes I agree with June too that was hypocritical. I think they were looking for an excuse to move on from a show getting too out of control and that was a perfect one.
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I agree about the hypocrisy of TLC, but I'm sure all their "talent" contracts state they are an "at will" employer and so there is no legal recourse for anyone let go. If there were, you can be sure Kate would have tried in 2011. Those contracts were unbelievably one-sided, but the fact is, people still sign them.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 69
Admin (#65), and as has been pointed out many times, child actors are portraying characters, which they can leave on the set at the end of the day. The G kids ARE their characters. And their home is their set. It's a disturbing and unnatural lifestyle, and they never asked for it. It was foisted upon them before they were old enough to make decisions for themselves. And, more than a decade later, it's the only life they've ever known. They will never, ever get those carefree childhood years back.
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ITA! The kids will never get that carefree, fun, life that every child deserves to have.
She has forced the tups especially to not be able to participate in sports, extra circular activities after school. I think she allowed Cara to do lacrosse and Mady violin lessons because maybe she felt guilty of the tups taking the spotlight away from them and they were upset and instead of using the wooden spoon to happy them up she let them do sports and music and that happyed them up instead.
But what is so cruel and maddening is TFW WAS A CHEERLEADER IN SCHOOL! You were one so why not let your girls be cheerleaders and the boys and girls play soccer!
You have an expert in the family, their father! Jon was on the soccer team, captain? and their team won the state championship. Jon would of been a great soccer coach for a team that his kids were on. They could of had a great time and got closer to Jon.
They LOVED the gymnastics place where they filmed the gymnastics at. But do you think she would let them go there without a camera and cash to film and her have to PAY? Heck no.
But she was a cheerleader and so was Michelle Duggar and they refuse to let their daughters be one?
Just sad and unbelievable. They both make their children film for money so they don't have to go out and work a normal job.
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/pictures/kate-gosselins-high-school-yearbook-pics-2009188/1196
I am also interested in the JonBenet case. I have my own theory, as do most people. To me, there is only one person who may have killed JB by mistake and it was covered up. But that's my reasoning based on what I have read- and that's a lot of books! I wonder if the case will ever be definitively solved?
Susie Cincinnati said... 50
Remember the remark she made about the camp for special needs kids...that it is gives the parents a break when they send them there? Kate doesn't think before she speaks and most likely never imagined that a "special needs" kid would apply to her.
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Based on her comment that it is good to give the parents a break from the special needs kids I think she did indeed see herself as the intended audience for Camp Barnabus. Colin had obviously been having issues since he was an infant and Kate was tired. She thought the camp was a place to get rid of problem children for a while for the benefit of the parents. She is too narcissistic to even comprehend those kids need some time away to just be children with others like them.
Regarding the January episodes, that makes sense. We know they did some extensive filming in Costco in January and insinuated they were having a Super Bowl party a couple of weeks after that. Airing those episodes once it gets cold again would make for better TV.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 78
Tucker's Mom (#74), and as if that list of offenses wasn't egregious enough, how about the release of the TFW's journal, with details of not only her abuse of her children, but of her nasty, greedy, unappreciative true self?
To me, one of the worst details was her RELIEF that another woman carrying multiples had lost
a few of her embryos
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You know, I went back and read through Robert's book a bit and came across this again. It is appalling and you can't read it any other way; Kate was RELIEVED that this woman miscarried AND that her remaining embryos weren't good.
That's just evil.
I think the sheep refuse to believe anything that's quoted from Robert's book and moreover, they won't go and read it for themselves.
If they want to call Robert a "trash man", fine. Whatever. He did not put anything in Kate's journal that wasn't there, written by her.
KATE WAS HAPPY THAT A WOMAN-A POTENTIAL COMPETITOR-LOST HER BABY AND ANY CHANCE OF GETTING PREGNANT WITH HER EMBRYOS.
HELLO!!!!!!
MikeB (#83), ah, yes, one of TFW's classic tone deaf moments: thinking the camp is all about giving parents of troubled children a break. Spoken with the wisdom and insight of someone who says having your own pool saves money.
I still think part of the reason TFW, who respects no one's privacy but her own, hasn't offered the "official" diagnosis of C's problem is that she is afraid of being inundated with questions and requests from the great unwashed. TFW only gives back when it's an episode title, and there's a paycheck and/or hefty perks that come along with it. Despite her claim, she's addicted to fame, money, and attention, but certainly not to giving.
ITA! The kids will never get that carefree, fun, life that every child deserves to have.
She has forced the tups especially to not be able to participate in sports, extra circular activities after school
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Every parent I know is so busy with their kids' activities, and very involved. They are at soccer games all weekend, and coach baseball and take their kids around the neighborhood selling for Girl and Boys scouts and on and on and on....
I actually feel bad for Jon and wonder if he ever feels sad that he has 3 boys and has never had the joy of rooting for them on the sidelines, or helping them get their next badge, or be one of the Dads who chaperones a camping trip.
The usual and very developmental rights of passage have passed most of the G kids by, and it's so ironic that Kate thinks she's giving them this "silver-platter" life, when in reality, they are impoverished in so many, many ways.
You have an expert in the family, their father! Jon was on the soccer team, captain? and their team won the state championship. Jon would of been a great soccer coach for a team that his kids were on. They could of had a great time and got closer to Jon.
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A good friend of ours was a great baseball player and pitcher as a kid and through college. His 2 boys did the peewee soccer and touch football, and I think one is now playing baseball.
Our friend coaches pitching professionally (to kids) as well as baseball, and a traveling baseball team (including an All Stars team) and he LOVES it.
Talk about making memories!
Formerly Duped said... 82
I am also interested in the JonBenet case. I have my own theory, as do most people. To me, there is only one person who may have killed JB by mistake and it was covered up.
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That's my feeling, too. I just don't think it was an outsider, but of course, I don't know anything for sure.
I watched 3 JonBenet anniversary shows (Dr. Phil, ID and CBS). Each one had a different slant.
Back in the day, I followed the case and read all the books that were written detailing the case. Perfect Murder, Perfect Town written by Lawrence Schiller is very comprehensive.
Dr. Phil featured Burke the brother. He was "strange". He seemed to have so little information or curiosity about his sister's death. (Example: He has never read the ransom note.) Maybe that event stunted his life. He just wasn't "present" at the interview. You could see Dr. Phil struggling to get answers to remedial questions.
Burke went to Purdue University at the same time my nephew was there. His attendance at Purdue would indicate that he has above average intelligence. He certainly didn't seem very "sharp" on the Dr. Phil show.
Perhaps he is extremely shy. Definitely "odd".
Based on Kate's very odd behavior relative to committing her 12-year old son to an inpatient program, I think her prescient words about Camp Barnabus being there to give parents a break are VERY telling right now.
Kate, to me, seems manic right now-similar to her seemingly manic behavior during the NYC filming. She's giddy with her puppies, smiling away in her People photo shoot, speaking of Colin's situation like it's no biggie and without any apparent feeling-really sociopathic- and just hanging with her BFF Mady.
(Seriously, who hangs out in their bedroom all the damn time, especially with 8 kids? Oops, 7 kids?)
Formerly Duped said... 82
I am also interested in the JonBenet case. I have my own theory, as do most people. To me, there is only one person who may have killed JB by mistake and it was covered up. But that's my reasoning based on what I have read- and that's a lot of books! I wonder if the case will ever be definitively solved?
Since you didn't say who, I'll guess. JonBenet's mother? That's who I think did it. Of course that's based on what I read in the media, and the media isn't always accurate.
The thing I never could get out of my head was the note found that mentioned a $118,000 ransom. Who would ask for such a figure and wasn't that the bonus JonBenet's father recently received?
I read Patsy Ramsey could go into blind rages, especially when JonBenet wet her bed.
Tucker's Mom (#90), I thought it was so revealing to find out TFW has a coffee pot in her bedroom. Just being a coffee lover is not enough of an excuse. It's where she's happiest. Not in her kitchen, not in the family room, not out on that oh-so-necessary deck. In her room, and preferably alone.
And if her sons J and A are welcome to come in there and sit on her bed and watch TV with her, I'll eat that coffee maker.
I wonder if Burke is a combination of being "on the spectrum" and being extremely stunted by Jonbenet's death and the unprecedented media circus.
Dr. Phil asserted that Burke was never considered a suspect, and that his crimeless life after indicate that he isn't the murderer.
I'm not so sure about that. Burke has a disturbingly detached manner.
I always thought a huge clue was the undigested fresh pineapple in JonBenet;s tummy. A crime photo shows a bowl of pineapple sitting on the dining room table. No intruder theory can explain who served her that fruit snack. Patsy at one time pointed out that the bowl is sitting directly on the surface of the table without a place mat. She said she would never have allowed that to happen. That sounds like a truthful comment to me.
I thought I read at some where that the trimming from the fresh pineapple were in the trash. I didn't hear that in any of the 3 recent programs.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 92
Tucker's Mom (#90), I thought it was so revealing to find out TFW has a coffee pot in her bedroom. Just being a coffee lover is not enough of an excuse. It's where she's happiest. Not in her kitchen, not in the family room, not out on that oh-so-necessary deck. In her room, and preferably alone.
And if her sons J and A are welcome to come in there and sit on her bed and watch TV with her, I'll eat that coffee maker.
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I think Kate holes up in her bedroom a lot and let's the hired help deal with the kids. The twins have probably been tasked with keeping the peace in that Lord of the Flies manse.
I agree about the hypocrisy of TLC, but I'm sure all their "talent" contracts state they are an "at will" employer and so there is no legal recourse for anyone let go.
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I agree. The TLC contracts state they don't have to give a reason for the shows to be cancelled and the "talent" is working at TLC's will, but the participants aren't employees and TLC, in relationship to their contracted "talent", isn't an employer. The end result is the same, in that the "talent" doesn't necessarily get a reason for the decision, though.
For the participants, especially those who have no other prospects for future income or a profession to fall back on, I think it's a terribly unhealthy relationship to be in. To know the very lucrative and comfortable rug you've been depending on could be pulled out from under you without notice, and at some corporation's whim, would be very unsettling. But, that's me, someone who worries about my family's security and future and works hard to ensure it.
Either way, as a fame whore and exploiter extraordinaire, it has to sting at least a little, to suddenly go from tabloid covers one week to not a mention the next. I have to remind myself that some people have done more to earn this fitting ending than others. SMH - from People magazine to IG puppy photos. lol
For everyone that is interested in the JonBenet Ramsay case - The FBI profilers that are featured on the CBS special have a podcast called Real Crime Profile. They just started covering the case on it this week (haven't listened yet). But in the past they have covered the Making a Murderer, OJ Simpson, Oscar Pistorius cases. Very engrossing podcasts for those who are interested.
Deliverence said... 91
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I wasn't sure it was kosher to say who I though killed Jon Benet by mistake. To me, it seems like it was Burke. The kids had rooms on a separate level to the parents and John had taken a sleeping pill. Burke was hyped up before bedtime about Christmas and toys according to John. Maybe the kids went downstairs to look at toys and ate some pineapple which they loved, had an argument and Burke hit his sister with the golf club. The parents would have been alerted and spent the night inventing and creating an elaborate scenario of a 'foreign faction.'Why JB was downstairs with the garrote, I don't know, but she had signs of chronic sexual abuse- possibly from her brother and friends or others. I know that's a big presumption. Burke was sent to his room. Patsy was still in the same clothes she wore on Christmas day and she was not the type to neglect her appearance. I think the desperate parents did not want to lose Burke as well as JB. Patsy was very close to her daughter and John had already lost a daughter to an accident. Burke's voice was heard on the 911 call although his parents said he slept through all this. This is just my own ( not original!) idea. I agree Burke seems a little off. To me the ransom note in Patsy' handwriting on her legal pad, and the pineapple prove it was not an intruder or foreign faction who didn't even take their kidnap victim out of the house.
Dmasy: I enjoyed Schiller's book as well.
Chantel ♥ @ChantelleBelll 16h16 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 can we please have a Nanuq picture update?! I love that little fluffball!
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smdh
How about a little update to know that Colin is doing OK? Doesn't have to be specific. Do her sheep even care about him?
What the eff is wrong with these people?
I agree about the hypocrisy of TLC, but I'm sure all their "talent" contracts state they are an "at will" employer and so there is no legal recourse for anyone let go.
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I was thinking the same thing, they probably state they can fire anyone at any time for any reason or even no reason. As long as it's not for something like race or sexuality I think they're fine. But June has a moral point. I thought she was hinting about a lawsuit there. She may very well have consulted a lawyer who told her unfortunately as right as she is, she has no case.
I too have been interested in the Jon Benet Ramsey case for close to twenty years. Based on what I read early on I have gone back and forth between the mother and brother. After watching the CBS show last night, I feel the 'evidence' presented, including the behaviour and interviews of the three family members, leads me to think the prime suspect is the brother with the parents as co-conspirators in covering up the crime.
Especially interesting is the fact that the Grand Jury felt there was sufficient grounds to indict the parents but the District Attorney refused to sign off on that decision because he didn't think there was sufficient evidence to get a conviction.
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*golf club or flashlight might have been the murder weapon re: Jon Benet
I've also been following the JonBenet story from the beginning. On one of the recent programs, I'm quite sure I heard Patsy say that the family had been to a party the night before and she went to sleep in her clothes. I thought this was odd -- she seems like such a fastidious person, like she'd never go to bed without removing makeup, etc. Was she drunk? Could she have harmed the child accidentally?
Nicky said... 97
For everyone that is interested in the JonBenet Ramsay case - The FBI profilers that are featured on the CBS special have a podcast called Real Crime Profile. They just started covering the case on it this week (haven't listened yet). But in the past they have covered the Making a Murderer, OJ Simpson, Oscar Pistorius cases. Very engrossing podcasts for those who are interested.
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Do you have a link, please?
I too have been interested in the Jon Benet Ramsey case for close to twenty years. Based on what I read early on I have gone back and forth between the mother and brother. After watching the CBS show last night, I feel the 'evidence' presented, including the behaviour and interviews of the three family members, leads me to think the prime suspect is the brother with the parents as co-conspirators in covering up the crime.
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My sediments exactly. What really was suspect was the note. If a person is planning a kidnapping, the note is written at his place of residence or elsewhere, not on a notepad in the victim's home where it would take a considerable amount of time to think things out and actually write the note. Unless this was the dumbest criminal on record, who would stand there in the house and take the time to write a ransom note, knowing the risk of being caught? You get in there and get out, not write a letter in that location. Patsy couldn't be ruled out as the writer of that note. There were too many similarities, according to those analyzing the handwriting.
In addition, not long after the body was discovered, the house was crawling with friends, outsiders, and allowed to roam free throughout the home. The parents called so many people, and I bet the purpose of that was to contaminate the crime scene. They knew exactly what they were doing.
I guess I just watch too many true-crime shows.
There was no intruder in that house. Someone got away with the perfect murder, whether it was accidental or deliberate, the latter of which I doubt.
Further to my post @101 - I forgot to add that the conclusion to the CBS show on the Ramsey case will be tonight 9:00-11:00 pm (Eastern).
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Sad but true said... 80
I agree about the hypocrisy of TLC, but I'm sure all their "talent" contracts state they are an "at will" employer and so there is no legal recourse for anyone let go. If there were, you can be sure Kate would have tried in 2011. Those contracts were unbelievably one-sided, but the fact is, people still sign them.
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I agree with you, Sherri (96) and Admin (100). At worst/best, TLC would have to pay the talent for un-done filming, if that's in the contract. No "talent" can force them to film or air anything.
Just wondering out loud again, if TLC puts other filming on the shelf for soooooo long?
It can't be an encouraging sign for Kate.
If TLC doesn't film the twins' sweet 16 and driving lessons, replete with bitching and whining, that will really be something.
Unless this was the dumbest criminal on record, who would stand there in the house and take the time to write a ransom note, knowing the risk of being caught? You get in there and get out, not write a letter in that location.
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Exactly. Who, but a stupid criminal, would rob a convenience store and hang around long enough to eat some ice cream from the freezer? You flee the scene, not make an evening out of it!
Just when I begin to think JonBenet's murderer is inside the home, I get stuck on a couple of thoughts.
Smart people who are planning an intelligent cover up would not have let the pad of paper and the pen used remain in clear sight. There would have been so many places to tuck them into hiding.
The brutality of the murder is beyond what normal parents could execute. If a cover up to protect Burke was the goal, I would think they could have formulated a plan that did not involve such an up close and personal and grisly strangulation. A head wound could be camouflaged into a fall down the spiral staircase.
Blowing in the Wind, we probably watch ALL the same shows!
Hi Tucker's Mom - The Real Crime Profile podcast is on itunes, or wondery.com. It's free.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/kate-gosselin-heartbreak-millionaire-ex-boyfriend-jeff-prescott-engaged-gorgeous-young-girlfriend/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
This is a laugh. Kate had no interest in this guy, none. He was a way to get her name back out there and to deflect from the noise she was getting about shacking up with old Steve-o while she was filming CA.
I would much rather have the fans asking for pictures of the dogs than pictures of the kids. The fans can be scary the way they think of the kids.
JonBenet - I saw the Dr. Phil segments. I agree that Burke is very odd. What struck me, is him saying in response to the question of why he didn't draw his sister in a picture of his family (after she died), and he said that life goes on. To me, that's a more adult response. Yes, his smile is disconcerting, but he has absolutely no emotion. I understand it's been 20 years, and you would think there would be some emotion from him, especially after all his family has gone through. He may be socially stunted, but I don't believe Dr. Phil when he says that's a normal reaction.
After watching the CBS show last night, I think he may have hit her over the head with the flashlight. Didn't intend to kill her, but was just a "normal" sibling argument that got physical.
I don't know - the whole thing is very strange.
“I was fine with Kate’s eight children, but I was uncomfortable with the spotlight,” Prescott explains. “The eventual deal breaker was the unwanted attention to my private life that I cherish.”
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Now, one year later, the father of three claims he hasn’t spoken to his ex since the split.
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Noooooooooo!
Nooooooooooooooooooooo!
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
You and Kate didn't part as friends?
I'm shocked.
I think it's hilarious that Jeff is saying, essentially, that he and Kate were indeed an item and that her kids were not the issue. It was Kate's lust for fame and the spotlight that drove him away.
But, there's the sheeple, just eating it up when Kate claimed her blind date was like her only date since her divorce.
Such suckers.
I mean, who doesn't dress up all sexy and flirty, and go out to dinner and a casino for a business meeting?
I usually canoodle when doing business.
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This is a laugh. Kate had no interest in this guy, none. He was a way to get her name back out there and to deflect from the noise she was getting about shacking up with old Steve-o while she was filming CA.
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I think he was going to be a storyline, until he begged off. Cue Deanna and the "blind date".
Dmasy, my only thought it that the parents were so shocked and devastated about what happened that they acted without thinking every detail through. Both were intelligent people but losing their daughter Christmas night possibly at the hands of their son is indeed more than what a parent can withstand rationally.The brutality was horrible ; maybe they saw it as a sure coverup a child could not have executed this. Dreadful crime whatever happened.
Kate will NEVER go away even if the show is canceled!
Narcissist's Addiction to Fame and Celebrity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBFGHpFjLqs
Formerly Duped @102 - I think the weapon was a flashlight, although a few years ago I read that the brother had hit his sister with a golf club on a previous occasion. I read years ago that he resented her and all the attention she got from her mother and by participating in the beauty pageants.
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This is a laugh. Kate had no interest in this guy, none. He was a way to get her name back out there and to deflect from the noise she was getting about shacking up with old Steve-o while she was filming CA.
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Wonder if she leaked this? The high from the People cover must be wearing off by now.
Sad but true (#112), you gotta love how Radar tried to connect poor TFW's heartbreak over C leaving with this crushing blow of "losing" Jeff Millionaire. Her Shrek-y grinning mug on the cover of People, along with her current puppy obsession and radio silence about C being away, tell plenty about how she's dealing with her
son's absence.
So who is next to get engaged? Vann the Mann?
Susan1956 (#120), TFW may well have sold this story to Radar. Those monthly spa trips don't pay for themselves!
Wasn't Jeff Millionaire the one who was quoted saying Jon was a "deadbeat dad?" I'm not a fan
of Jeff's.
Dmasy, my only thought it that the parents were so shocked and devastated about what happened that they acted without thinking every detail through. Both were intelligent people but losing their daughter Christmas night possibly at the hands of their son is indeed more than what a parent can withstand rationally.The brutality was horrible ; maybe they saw it as a sure coverup a child could not have executed this. Dreadful crime whatever happened.
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My question, though, is who in the family knew how to make the garrote? Was that discussed last night? I missed the first part of the special.
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I think he was going to be a storyline, until he begged off. Cue Deanna and the "blind date".
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Oh that's right, I had forgotten that part. So he was a multi-functional fake. Well done, Kate.
JonBenet was dead from a head wound. Maybe she was unconscious. But, not dead.
They would only have had to cover up a serious head wound -- NOT kill their child.
None of the theories can be logically followed through to a complete explanation.
I suppose that is why the case continues to fascinate so many people.
Sorry...NOT dead from a head wound.
Wasn't Jeff Millionaire the one who was quoted saying Jon was a "deadbeat dad?" I'm not a fan
of Jeff's.
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Yeah. Old Jeffie was on board for awhile there. He's not so honorable. Something made him drop Kate and her machinations.
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Dr Lillian Glass has an interesting article on her blog titled : JonBenet Ramsay's brother's inappropriate, disturbing Smile and body language on Dr. Phil interview.
He even says in the interview, ..."I know people think I did it"
They would only have had to cover up a serious head wound -- NOT kill their child.
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Yes, but they have ways of finding out what caused the blunt force trauma, and the type of instrument used. If you have a hole in your head the size of the end of a flashlight, they'd figure out that you didn't get it from a fall down the steps.
If Jeffy didn't want fame and being in the spotlight and he didn't mind all the kids, all he would have had to do is to hang around another year. She'll be toast then, and he wouldn't have to worry about paps, TLC, filming, and such.
Dmasy - In the special last night, the pathologist said that she did die from a head wound (cracked the skull, but didn't break skin. Left her with a traumatic brain injury). Strangulation was after death.
As for the garrote, they said it was unneccesary, and looked like an after thought. I don't know. The poor girl.
Dr. Werner Spitz said last night that the wound to the head would have left Jon Benet brain head. He also said that her heart would continue to beat for a time and that usually causes the body to convulse. I think this would be where the garrote comes in (very disturbing to even think about it). I expect tonight they will delve further into the eventual strangulation.
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My question, though, is who in the family knew how to make the garrote?
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John would have known because it's a shipping knot. I think Burke hit her & probably molested her. I think Patsy wrote the letter, probably with John's help, and I think John tied the garrote.
Neither Patsy nor John could have spent another day with each other if they had done it. They could only have lived with this to protect Burke, who obviously has his own problems... I think..
I wonder if Burke is a combination of being "on the spectrum" and being extremely stunted by Jonbenet's death and the unprecedented media circus.
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I was getting an "on the spectrum" vibe from Burke, and almost felt bad I heard so many people say well he's weird so he murdered his sister.
Or, he's just weird.
I've moved pretty far away from the Burke theory after seeing his forensic interview for the first time last week. His answers were very consistent with a child who was around for a horrific event but never actually witnessed anything.
I found his story that he kind of hung out in his room, scared and listening to his mom in hysterics, very similar to how kids his age react to something like a bad DV incident or violence in the next room. If he had anything to do with it, it would be hard at that age to fake that explanation. He did not appear coached, and a good interviewer I think would have been able to poke holes in history. They couldn't.
The bed wetting theory seems more plausible. They were tired from the party and Christmas festivities, and had an early flight ahead they still needed to pack for. Patsy freaked out to realize now she has to change and wash bedsheets too, hurt her somehow, then panicked when she realized she hurt her harder than intended.
I'm quite sure I heard Patsy say that the family had been to a party the night before and she went to sleep in her clothes. I thought this was odd
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I thought she said in her original interview she took off the clothes, wore pajamas, then woke up to do housework before the flight and put the same clothes back on again.
I can kind of see doing that if everything else is packed and you just want to do a little work in already worn clothes then throw them in the hamper. It didn't seem totally impossible to me, although that is a major sticking point for a lot of people, who consider that her biggest mistake.
If it was the parents, they never should have written that note. Without the note I think it looks much more like some creep who just wanted to molest her, then had to kill her to prevent her from identifying him. Writing that note introduced so many questions to the case a lot of which pointed to the parents. This is one of those cases where it makes no sense for anyone to write a note, not an outside killer or the Ramseys. One of true crime's greatest mysteries and in that respect, totally brilliant sad to say.
Patsy had a housekeeper so I don't think she would worry about wet sheets which happened often. But yes, she could have been tired and irritable from being woken up before their trip scheduled for early morning.Patsy's pen and pad, her paintbrush and duct tape etc. For the longest time I thought it was her, but then I read a book I believe called Foreign Faction which disputed some of the theories out there. A child Burke's age could have done it. I do think it was an accident terribly mishandled by all- family and police/detectives.
Also Burke had hit JonBenet before, hard, and left a mark on her skin with metal toy train tracks ( not the stun gun)
I agree that note was a really bad judgment call if the parents did it. So full of 'clues' plus the pad and pen themselves from their house.And Patsy stepped over some steps to read the note, did not snatch it up on her way downstairs.
I'm obsessed! I just always wanted justice for that little girl.
I read Patsy put the clothes back on from the party they had been to, and skipped a shower- unlike her usual routine.
After seeing a few of the specials it's hard to know what to believe. One doctor says that there are obvious fingernail marks on JB's neck that shows she struggled against the garrote, and another says the head wound was first and she would have been brain dead when she was garroted. The pineapple is another oddity. Though I was entertained by the ridiculous internet rumour that it was there because the killer was ritualistically obsessed with The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. Will the DNA (which is also not what the case should hinge on according to some scientists) ever be linked to someone?
I watched the 3rd installment of Dr. Phil's Jonbenet special, and to me, it seemed nothing more than a PR stunt for him and the Ramseys, to clear their name and remove them from doubt.
Dmasy - In the special last night, the pathologist said that she did die from a head wound (cracked the skull, but didn't break skin. Left her with a traumatic brain injury)
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The head injury was enough to kill her on its own, but because of the amount of brain swelling involved they they estimate that she was strangled about 2 hours later. I don't think they knew she was sill alive.
I'd like to know what they think made the marks on her neck and leg. And what was she clutching in her hand that would make that bruise?
I think the parents went to bed & passed out. That the kids went downstairs & something happened that Burke took a swing at her. (Lord, my brother use to throw darts at my head when we were kids) I think he tried to wake her up, maybe molested her (if they can prove molestation) & then went to wake up his mom.
I think it was Patsy who the neighbors heard scream in the middle of the night. And I think John was going to take Jonbenet out of the house in the suitcase.
All very disturbing, & I don't have any idea if Burke even remembers much of it.
I think I read somewhere that murder could not be charged to someone under the age of 10 in Colorado. I suspect that the police rallied around John and helped him save his son. He did have a lot of pull.
(sorry this was so long)
Though I was entertained by the ridiculous internet rumour that it was there because the killer was ritualistically obsessed with The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie.
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Jean, Jean, roses are red, all the leaves have gone green, and the clouds are so low, you can touch them and so, come out to the meadow, Jean.
Maggie won an Emmy last night!
Exactly. Who, but a stupid criminal, would rob a convenience store and hang around long enough to eat some ice cream from the freezer? You flee the scene, not make an evening out of it!
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Welp, I don't know about all of you, but every time I rob a liquor store I stick around and make myself a Classic Manhattan.
The JonBenet special goes up against DWTS and the premiere of The Voice. I hate flipping channels. It's either feast or famine.
Speaking of true crime shows, is anyone watching The Coroner: I Speak For The Dead? Graham, the coroner, is from my neck of the woods, and it's interesting to watch the cases that have made the local news over the years.
Hmmmm...Jeff's engaged. Too bad for Kate. He's a cutie, kind of reminds me of a youngish Glen Campbell. Any comments from Gladys?
I have always thought it very odd/suspicious that the Ramseys lawyered up immediately and refused to be interviewed until four months after Jon Benet's death. On top of that it was two years before they allowed Burke to be interviewed. If my daughter was murdered there would be no question I wouldn't answer immediately, in fact I would probably park myself on the doorstep of the police station to make sure they were working 24 hours a day to find the murderer. The last thing I would be doing would be to contact a lawyer when it is up to the police to investigate and find the person responsible.
I believe Burke was carefully rehearsed before he was interviewed by the police at age eleven. When Patsy was interviewed she frequently replied, "I don't recall" when asked pertinent questions. Burke used the same phrase, "I don't recall" whereas I would expect an eleven year old boy to reply, "I don't remember" when questioned.
When both parents were interviewed by police, they not only mentioned the housekeeper as a possible suspect, they pointed their fingers at a man who later sued them but did not receive damages.
One more thing that I thought was odd, the marker on her grave indicates she died December 25th - not after midnight which would make it the 26th.
All in all it is a very disturbing case and no justice for a little girl who today would be twenty-six had she been spared.
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I believe Burke was carefully rehearsed before he was interviewed by the police at age eleven. When Patsy was interviewed she frequently replied, "I don't recall" when asked pertinent questions. Burke used the same phrase, "I don't recall" whereas I would expect an eleven year old boy to reply, "I don't remember" when questioned.
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He does mimic some phrases his parents use but then again all kids mimic their parents. If Patsy said that phrase a lot he could have easily picked it up. Plus, if he is on the spectrum like I'm pretty convinced he is, they often use adult phrases and language at random, without realizing it makes them sound dorky or rehearsed.
I do agree he should have been interviewed within 24-48 hours of the crime. Kids' memories are fleeting. At the same time if he really had nothing to do with it I as a parent would be upset to have him cross examined like that, knowing he really knew nothing. The whole thing doesn't follow any normal script.
The head injury was enough to kill her on its own, but because of the amount of brain swelling involved they they estimate that she was strangled about 2 hours later. I don't think they knew she was sill alive.
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Which really makes me think cover up. If an intruder entered the home to kill JonBenet, and hit her over the head, why would he wait such a long time to strangle her to finish her off?
I would think he'd go to plan B right away, and get the hell out of there.
Yes, little JonBenet was sexually molested that night. Part of her mother's paintbrush stick was inside her and she had signs of chronic irritation from older assaults. I think many believe it was Burke and friends, not her other brother or father.
Watching the JB Ramsey show. The DA sounds like a d-bag
Yes, little JonBenet was sexually molested that night. Part of her mother's paintbrush stick was inside her and she had signs of chronic irritation from older assaults. I think many believe it was Burke and friends, not her other brother or father.
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I'm skeptical of that finding. It's very, very hard to tell if someone has been molested unless you find DNA from the perp. A broken hymen doesn't mean much, neither do injuries, unless severe. Little girls can have irritated private parts for a whole host of reasons that don't mean they were molested. The best indication a child has been molested is the child disclosing it themselves.
I do think though the paintbrush was staged, inserted after she was dead. Would the parents even think to make a garrote? The staging of this was so complex it's so hard to believe, coming from anyone really. Isn't a good coverup as simple as possible? A talking head had pointed out that a garrote is more consistent with some kind of sex addict or someone into bondage and things like that, of which there was no evidence the parents were into that.
Patsy had a housekeeper so I don't think she would worry about wet sheets which happened often. But yes, she could have been tired and irritable from being woken up before their trip scheduled for early morning.
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The child died around 1 or so they think. So if she knocks on their door at 12 o'clock at night saying she wet the bed when Patsy just wants to sleep Patsy would still have to get up change the bed and probably bathe the child. I can see a tired and impatient parent losing it if bedwetting is a chronic problem.
Both were intelligent people but losing their daughter Christmas night possibly at the hands of their son is indeed more than what a parent can withstand rationally.
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The staging did have intelligence behind it, I'll say that. The writer of that note was educated.
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I believe Burke was carefully rehearsed before he was interviewed by the police at age eleven. When Patsy was interviewed she frequently replied, "I don't recall" when asked pertinent questions. Burke used the same phrase, "I don't recall" whereas I would expect an eleven year old boy to reply, "I don't remember" when questioned.
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He does mimic some phrases his parents use but then again all kids mimic their parents. If Patsy said that phrase a lot he could have easily picked it up.
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When my grandson started saying "Sure" instead of yes in answer to questions, it took me a few minutes to realize that he had picked it up from me! Kids do pick up phrases from the people around them.
I can't rule out the Burke theory but another fact that I can't work out is that everyone seems to agree they got home late from this party and JonBenet was even asleep by then. If Burke is winding down and heading to bed why would he suddenly attack his sister, who is allegedly sleeping or drowsy at that point and not bothering anyone?
Vicious attacks on siblings can and do happen, especially if a child like Burke might be on the spectrum, impulsive and maybe had some trouble processing normal sibling rivalry. But it seems to me they happen during waking hours when kids are up and have energy and getting worked up.
I don't even put much weight into her prior injury from Burke. I don't know a little sister around who doesn't have a scar from a big brother!
When my grandson started saying "Sure" instead of yes in answer to questions, it took me a few minutes to realize that he had picked it up from me! Kids do pick up phrases from the people around them.
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Yes, and usually it's cute! My uncle always tells the story of when I was two or three, and we were sitting in his car at a red light and I ordered him to: "Juice it!"
I guess my mom always would tell my dad, who is a cautious driver, to "juice it," i.e. give it some gas, and somehow I picked up the phrase.
My uncle said he pretty much died laughing, it was hilarious to hear that coming from a 2 year old.
I'm watching the interview with Burke and the child psychologist/behaviorist, and Burke discloses that sometimes he has snacks before bed, which is pudding, yogurt or fruit. Both he and his sister like pineapple. It is possible that he went downstairs, put pineapple into the bowl, his sister woke up and also wanted a snack, grabbed a piece from the bowl and that set him off. Just one of many theories out there, of course.
I taught third and fourth graders for quite a few years, and many kids have crossed my path. After watching his physical movements, and listening to his verbal comments, I have to say that he was one very strange child. What is puzzling, though, is that he never slipped up nor divulged anything that would indicate he was involved in this. Although not impossible, that would be unusual for a child that age. He really would have to be coached about what to say and what not to say.
"The staging did have intelligence behind it, I'll say that. The writer of that note was educated."
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Absolutely. That was always on my mind. The term "foreign faction" isn't something that any old guy off the street would write.
I love Dr. Henry Lee! Neither he nor Dr. Spitz, the other forensic expert, believes that there was an intruder involved. According to everyone on the panel, it was a staged scene within the family to protect Burke.
Absolutely. That was always on my mind. The term "foreign faction" isn't something that any old guy off the street would write.
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Yes. And overall decent grammar, decent spelling, periods, commas, and long. A slow person who just wants to diddle a little girl isn't going to sit there and pen something that long.
They gave away their intelligence, and in that respect the family can't be ruled out.
I taught third and fourth graders for quite a few years, and many kids have crossed my path. After watching his physical movements, and listening to his verbal comments, I have to say that he was one very strange child. What is puzzling, though, is that he never slipped up nor divulged anything that would indicate he was involved in this. Although not impossible, that would be unusual for a child that age.
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I'm still stuck on the idea that Burke explained he woke up and heard his mom freaking out and got really scared so cowered in his room and didn't ask questions. That is exactly what many 10 year olds would do. It's a very common reaction I see time and time again when something horrible happens many kids just don't want to know. I guess they're not old enough to know how to deal with it, how to ask questions an older child would (what happened? Where's my sister? Why is everyone freaking out?) so they shut down and hide.
Also the part about how he saw his dad and thought that meant they found his sister, and he was coming to get him and this was over. That seemed very genuine.
Those pieces of the story would be so hard to coach. I don't think an adult would think to coach him to say that. If you were coaching, to be safe you would tell him just tell them you fell asleep and when you woke up and she was gone. Burke had answers for every question they threw at him I believe because he was going from his own memory, not on coaching. You'd have to have a very good understanding of how children commonly react to difficult events to coach him that well, and you'd have to have anticipated everything they asked him.
And as pointed out, not a single slip up in the story. Even a well coached child will slip up or not be prepped for every question.
What struck me, is him saying in response to the question of why he didn't draw his sister in a picture of his family (after she died), and he said that life goes on. To me, that's a more adult response. Yes, his smile is disconcerting, but he has absolutely no emotion
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Or, more evidence he's on the spectrum. It wouldn't be surprising for someone on the spectrum to process grief in a more clinical way, cold as it sounds to others. Appearing not to display any emotions would be common too.
Also keep in mind, he was only 10 and at 10, your baby sister is mostly just a pain. Losing a sister at that age can be very different than losing her when you are older. I imagine what would be harder is dealing with grieving parents and family rather than missing your sister. He never experienced the more mature and close relationship siblings can have as they grow older.
The two hours might have been the two hours it took for them to work through every possible scenario as to how to cover up bashing her on the head. When they couldn't work out any possible way to do it, they realized they'd have to kill her. One hour to figure out how to cover up a head injury, second hour moving on to figuring out how to kill her. The rest of the night to write the note and stage it all.
That two hours is really damning. Assuming that timing is correct. Forensic stuff like that can sometimes be junk science.
I'm going to start the podcast tomorrow. Thanks!
The brutality of the murder is beyond what normal parents could execute. If a cover up to protect Burke was the goal, I would think they could have formulated a plan that did not involve such an up close and personal and grisly strangulation. A head wound could be camouflaged into a fall down the spiral staircase.
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IF it was them, they must have thought no one would believe some made up story like "Burke was messing around swinging a flashlight/golf club around and JonBenet was running around and ran into it."
Another thing I don't think many people have said is that you have to hit a child hard, HARD to bash in their head that badly. It's amazing how many kids make it through child abuse with little or no injuries.
Would Patsy really hit her THAT hard?
Dr. Phil asserted that Burke was never considered a suspect, and that his crimeless life after indicate that he isn't the murderer.
I'm not so sure about that. Burke has a disturbingly detached manner.
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Well that's just wrong, and also he is assuming Burke had malicious intent if he did do this.
Let's assume Burke did it. It's entirely possible he was mad about something silly and hit her with something hard. Because he's just a kid and probably on the spectrum he wasn't understanding the consequences of that. He may have wanted to hurt her even kill her in that moment, but he's not old enough to understand the real consequences of that or even be a danger to anyone else later in life. A 10 year old can barely understand if you eat an entire carton of icecream you'll get really sick. For kids who struggle with anger or or have other issues they CAN be a danger to other kids. Many more accidents and deaths are prevented because parents have warning and protect the other kids.
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I wonder if Burke is a combination of being "on the spectrum" and being extremely stunted by Jonbenet's death and the unprecedented media circus.
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I was getting an "on the spectrum" vibe from Burke, and almost felt bad I heard so many people say well he's weird so he murdered his sister.
Or, he's just weird.
I've moved pretty far away from the Burke theory after seeing his forensic interview for the first time last week. His answers were very consistent with a child who was around for a horrific event but never actually witnessed anything.
I found his story that he kind of hung out in his room, scared and listening to his mom in hysterics, very similar to how kids his age react to something like a bad DV incident or violence in the next room. If he had anything to do with it, it would be hard at that age to fake that explanation. He did not appear coached, and a good interviewer I think would have been able to poke holes in history. They couldn't.
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It's interesting that the profilers on CBS tonight thought the complete opposite of you. They thought Burke seemed very guilty in the interviews.
ht thought the complete opposite of you. They thought Burke seemed very guilty in the interviews.
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Hmm. I haven't watched yet.
The other piece of it is that at the same time, it is very, very hard to tell if a kid is lying. There's an interesting Ted Talk on it that proves adults really can't tell the difference.
And, I'm not sure they factored in him being on the spectrum....that is an X factor that means analyzing it as if he's any other kid is out the window.
Did they say anything about the fact that Burke didn't slip up once? Look at Brandon's interview from Making a Murderer. He was much older and his interview was an absolute mess. They just about got him to admit he murdered her.
The CBS profilers agreed Burke probably hit Jon Benet with the flashlight in anger after she grabbed some of the pineapple which he had been eating and the parents staged the coverup. They dismissed Patsy being directly involved in the child's death because she was so emotionally involved in Jon Benet's pageants being a former beauty queen herself.
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The CBS profilers agreed Burke probably hit Jon Benet with the flashlight in anger after she grabbed some of the pineapple which he had been eating and the parents staged the coverup.
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That would involve a 4 year old child, exhausted from the Christmas season and a late party and going home asleep in her father's arms, to suddenly wake up and start pestering her brother at 10 or 11 oclock at night. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Now if they got home at 7pm that theory is pretty solid.
Dmasy said is best. No theory out there makes complete sense! So what are we missing?
I haven't watched any of these programs, but wasn't Burke heard in the background of the 911 call begging his parents to tell him what to say/do?
wasn't Burke heard in the background of the 911 call begging his parents to tell him what to say/do?
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No. Even the lead investigator, who pretty much thinks it's the parents, admits what appears to be a voice in the background of the 911 call is just not discernible. Both who it belongs to and what they said.
CBS people think he was in the background of the 911 call. That Xmas night John put JB to bed, then helped Burke with a toy. Then Patsy prepared pineapple and tea for Burke. She woke JB up to use the toilet, so as not to wet the bed, possible had her brush her teeth. JB is then too awake to sleep, goes downstairs and steals a piece of pineapple from Burke's bowl, not touching it so as not to leave prints. Burke reacts with violence, conks her on the head with the torch. Possibly then pokes her in the leg with the model train track making the marks. John and Patsy lie and cover-up from there.
CBS people think he was in the background of the 911 call. That Xmas night John put JB to bed, then helped Burke with a toy. Then Patsy prepared pineapple and tea for Burke. She woke JB up to use the toilet, so as not to wet the bed, possible had her brush her teeth. JB is then too awake to sleep, goes downstairs and steals a piece of pineapple from Burke's bowl, not touching it so as not to leave prints. Burke reacts with violence, conks her on the head with the torch. Possibly then pokes her in the leg with the model train track making the marks. John and Patsy lie and cover-up from there.
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I really want to watch this now and can't find part 1 anywhere.
But just going by that summary, that is so convoluted. I respect these guys a lot so I really want to see how they came to that conclusion. But I do like what the lead investigator said, the simplest explanation is usually the right one. That one is not simple and involves so many other things having to go exactly right, including no prints anywhere, Burke having a flashlight handy (why not just turn on the lights??), the weapon being hidden so well it was never found, the model train being violent enough to inflict such harsh marks, John and Patsy not just taking her to the hospital with some story about how Burke was messing around being crazy and accidentally hit her with the flashlight. And the biggest piece of all is Burke being able to give a perfect interview without one hair out of place. Even innocent people can't give perfect interviews.
Surely a grassy knoll is involved at some point.
Oh one more hole in the pineapple thing. Patsy seemed adamant she hasn't a clue where the pineapple came from.
If she did it, and knowing the pineapple were part of the story why wouldn't she just say the kids had a late snack right before bed then we went to bed. The pineapple would have been a non-issue.
IF that's the story, to deny it is odd especially when there's a whole bowl sitting out there anyone can see and will ask about, and they'll find it in the kid's stomach.
GollyGee said... 72
From twitter.
Justice4Mommy
@Justice4Mommy
Berks County Children & Youth Services practices Parental Alienation not reunification. The WORST form of child abuse.
https://twitter.com/Justice4Mommy/status/375606364711976960
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I don't know where to start.
The list of children that have died in foster care is overwhelming. I was going down the list and there are hundreds and hundreds over the decades.
I scrolled down and something got my attention. 2 little brothers aged 2 and 3 burned to death in a house fire while in foster care in 1986 in Mississippi.
I was in tears. Something impressed on me to look up their graves on Find a Grave. I found them. They were buried together but after 30 years, their names are so faded you can't read them. All you can see is the Cross on the granite.
I read the posts on the list and saw where someone was asking if someone knew any information about the little boys. She said that her partner was related to them and could not find out anything or where they were even buried.
I immediately sent a FB message to her and told her I had found them. She was so grateful! Found out that those little boys are her partner's older brothers. They were in tears after they saw the headstone and how it looked.
I told her that it needs to be refaced or replaced and 2 teddy bears to be placed there. They live in Indiana and are trying to save money to come down and visit their grave and fix the headstone.
They had no idea where the boys were until I found them and sent them the link. The mother didn't know anything either because all of her kids were in foster care in the mid 80's.
I sent them the link to the form to get a death certificate, suggested a GoFundme to raise money. I asked her if she had a picture of the boys and she said her mother had a big bag of them but she lost them over the years. I told her maybe someone in the family has one and you need just one for the GoFundme.
I even suggested that the local library would have a newspaper article about it, the state would have a fire report, I need to tell her that the Dept. of Children services in the county would have a file on them. I also told them that the local tv station may do a story on it for it being 30 years and I told her this needs to go viral. People will want to help the boys sister see their grave and help with the headstone.
They were so incredibly grateful for all of this.
I just thank God I could help them. I have just been in tears over this!
I will keep you updated.
GollyGee said... 72
From twitter.
Justice4Mommy
@Justice4Mommy
Berks County Children & Youth Services practices Parental Alienation not reunification. The WORST form of child abuse.
https://twitter.com/Justice4Mommy/status/375606364711976960
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I don't know where to start.
The list of children that have died in foster care is overwhelming. I was going down the list and there are hundreds and hundreds over the decades.
I scrolled down and something got my attention. 2 little brothers aged 2 and 3 burned to death in a house fire while in foster care in 1986 in Mississippi.
I was in tears. Something impressed on me to look up their graves on Find a Grave. I found them. They were buried together but after 30 years, their names are so faded you can't read them. All you can see is the Cross on the granite.
I read the posts on the list and saw where someone was asking if someone knew any information about the little boys. She said that her partner was related to them and could not find out anything or where they were even buried.
I immediately sent a FB message to her and told her I had found them. She was so grateful! Found out that those little boys are her partner's older brothers. They were in tears after they saw the headstone and how it looked.
I told her that it needs to be refaced or replaced and 2 teddy bears to be placed there. They live in Indiana and are trying to save money to come down and visit their grave and fix the headstone.
They had no idea where the boys were until I found them and sent them the link. The mother didn't know anything either because all of her kids were in foster care in the mid 80's.
I sent them the link to the form to get a death certificate, suggested a GoFundme to raise money. I asked her if she had a picture of the boys and she said her mother had a big bag of them but she lost them over the years. I told her maybe someone in the family has one and you need just one for the GoFundme.
I even suggested that the local library would have a newspaper article about it, the state would have a fire report, I need to tell her that the Dept. of Children services in the county would have a file on them. I also told them that the local tv station may do a story on it for it being 30 years and I told her this needs to go viral. People will want to help the boys sister see their grave and help with the headstone.
They were so incredibly grateful for all of this.
I just thank God I could help them. I have just been in tears over this!
I will keep you updated.
Surely a grassy knoll is involved at some point.
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It felt to me as though these experts were reverse engineering all the way. They seemed to start with, "Burke is guilty, it has to be him" and went from there.
As two of them watched Burke's interview as a 9-year old, it was ridiculous how much they scrutinized his responses. They felt he was trying to hide eating pineapple that night, AFTER the man interviewing him kept asking him how much he liked pineapple.
They kept on saying, "A child would do THIS, not THAT (whatever Burke did)". How do they know that? What is the normative data regarding a child drawing his family after a sibling is murdered? Burke left JB out of his drawing, so what? What's normal in that situation?
I'm betting there is no normative data from which to draw the conclusions they were drawing.
In another instance, Burke said he was asleep. Further, he said he sleeps deeply, expounding. The experts extrapolated that Burke was lying and trying to be convincing by "selling" his point about being asleep when JB was murdered.
Really? A 9-year old even "gets" the idea of selling his story? As if 2 weeks after he kills his sister, he's already become an expert at lying and covering up.
Watching last night and watching Dr. Phil, the narratives are polar opposites. I mean, 180 degrees.
My uncle said he pretty much died laughing, it was hilarious to hear that coming from a 2 year old.
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Ever watch Funny or Die's, "Pearl the Landlord"?
https://vimeo.com/92220635
ROL has milked a second day out of this "Kate's Ex Engaged" non-story. But some interesting tidbits.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/kate-gosselin-ex-tells-all-millionaire-jeff-prescott-exposes-fakery/
“We were supposed to film a romantic date last year on Labor Day weekend in New York,” the father of three reveals, adding that the episode was almost entirely staged.
“We pretty much laid out the entire script for filming.”
Even though plans were in place and the film crew was already on location, camera-shy Prescott confesses he got cold feet about taking his relationship public on reality TV.
“I decided that this sort of exposure could create a backlash in my professional and family life, and I just wasn’t ready this sort of attention,” the stock photo agency exec explains.
To Prescott’s dismay, the reality star began to get ahead of herself, he adds. Gosselin, 41, had plans to put their professional projects on the TLC series, and producers were already discussing a future spinoff about the romance.
“It would have been a ratings bonanza,” he marvels. “But I wasn’t up for the chaos and pressure that would ensue.”
As two of them watched Burke's interview as a 9-year old, it was ridiculous how much they scrutinized his responses.
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I wish I could see the whole forensic interview from beginning to end but I should point out there were some problems with the interview techniques. Namely, they did ask the boy a lot of leading questions. You NEVER do that when you're trying to get information from a child in a crime. Never. You always sit back and let them tell the story with your gentle guidance through lots of non-threatening questions (And then what happened? .... Tell me everything you remember about what you ate that night.)
They shouldn't even be feeding him the word pineapple unless he said it first.
USC's Dr. Thomas Lyon is an expert in child interview techniques, and he's been called out to take a crack at kids who have witnessed or somehow been involved in some major crimes. When no one else could, he was once able to get information from a four year old that her mom killed her grandmother. He has written numerous academic papers explaining how to interview kids. They should have called someone like him in.
It's nonsense to extrapolate anything from the drawing of his family. Kids are literal. If you tell them to draw their family, they aren't going to start drawing in a bunch of deceased members.
They're going to draw who is under their roof at that moment.
Foster kids when told to draw their family will sometimes draw their bio family, but sometimes draw their foster family, and sometimes they will draw a separate house with their bio family.
Sometimes, they won't draw their bio family at all. Doesn't mean they don't love them or don't want to go home. They are just trying to follow directions.
And there you have it...everything scripted. Jeff figured out he was being used by a fame-sucking succubis and bailed...smart man
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/kate-gosselin-ex-tells-all-millionaire-jeff-prescott-exposes-fakery/
Fame-SEEKING succubis I mean
I still think it was Burke, in large part because I just can't see either of the parents doing this. John was asleep under the influence of a sleeping pill. Patsy was especially close to JonBenet.she had to deal with bed-wetting all the time but the housekeeper was due to collect a check anyway. A family trip was planned for the very next morning. Burke was difficult to settle to sleep. JonBenet had been napping, then was wakened to use the bathroom- perhaps that and the nap caused her to be wakeful. The kids were excited about Christmas and the trip. Maybe they were sneaking around with a flashlight so as not to disturb the parents. Didn't a neighbor state she had seen a dim light in the kitchen? The kids' playroom (I think they also had one upstairs) was downstairs, far removed from the rest of the house. If Burke and pals were messing around with her, the little beauty queen, that could account for the signs of molestation- not rape as an adult might have done. Kids do fool around like that. I think Patsy was maybe aware since she took JB to the dr for UTIs previously and bed-wetting is a sign of sexual abuse. Perhaps that accounts for the slight assault with a paintbrush as staging molestation that night.Burke had a temper and had hit his sister before. Idk- my kids, boy and girl, argued, but were very close. Accidents happen, but I think most kids would be devastated at the death of a sibling. It does seem like the staging was done by the parents for so many reasons. IMO the ransom note is the most damning piece of evidence, with the bonus figure mentioned, handwriting, pen and pad, length of note, language and its contents contrary to the evidence of finding the body at home with no ransom call.
Wowser (#182), thanks for that link. Aw, Jeff Millionaire, sure, there was chaos, but it was FUN! Chaotic FUN! YOU could have taken C's place on that People magazine cover, instead of moving on and enjoying a healthy relationship with someone nobody ever heard of. How very mediocre.
"We pretty much laid out the entire script for filming." That's a quote, sheeple. How do you like your "realest reality" now?
Wait did Kate say that she was not dating Jeff? I find it remarkable that this woman still has fans after all of the lies that she's been caught in.
Sorry sheep. Your kate isn't the Virgin Queen she portends to be .
But she was a cheerleader and so was Michelle Duggar and they refuse to let their daughters be one?
I don't agree being a cheerleader is a necessity for every girl. I would in fact do everything possible and encourage my daughter's to go a different direction. I would much rather my girls play sports or be in the chess club over cheer. Different aspirations for my own daughters, I guess.
Selena
My youngest son wet the bed nearly every night until he was around 7-8. I always has to kiss him goodnight before his older brother because he fell asleep so fast. He spleeped so deeply that he just didn't wake up to go to the bathroom. Eventually his brain & body got together & he stopped.
It wasn't that big of a deal. I always had an extra set of bedding on hand & just sort of tossed the clean bedding on. Didn't deal with corner tucking or anything. Only took a couple of minutes.
I still want to know what made the deep bruise in her hand. What was she clutching so tightly when she died? Did she snatch something from Burke that he wanted back?
I doubt we will never know. I think Burke's parents sent him to bed right after they found JB and told him everything would be okay. Probably even told him that he hadn't done anything wrong & that someone else had hurt JB. If you tell a child something often enough they can rewire & rewrite their memory.
Don't know, and will probably never know.
Looks like we called it last year. The fabulous date flying around New York with Vann was originally planned to be with Jeff and booked well before Vann was even in the picture. The blatant press leaks with Jeff at dinner and the casino were supposed to be setting up the back story for him to come in and sweep her off her feet with a surprise extravagant date. Jeff was probably hoping to get some publicity for his photo website but the attention directed at his ex-wife and kids when the accusations of his child neglect surfaced likely made him realize reality TV would only hurt him and his family in the long run.
Vann was just some random guy Deanna apparently knew she could con into taking Jeff's place. The limo, helicopter, restaurant, and most importantly the camera crew had been booked for a month or more and cancelling the episode would have cost a lot of money. Of course the storyline wasn't anywhere near as interesting with the "blind date" as opposed to supposedly confirming the budding relationship with Jeff Millionaire they had so craftily planted in the gossip media.
There is nothing real about any of Kate's relationships. Everything is meticulously planned for the greatest viewing impact. Anyone who gets in the way her being a reality TV queen gets cast aside. Just ask her parents, Jon, Aunt Jodi, and most sickeningly Colin who has now been banished to a behavioral health facility.
Jeff said that the romantic spin off show would have been a ratings bonanza. Ha-Ha!! Is he serious? He must not have watched her Blind Date episode. Yawn. No one cares anymore. Sorry Kate.
Wowser said... 183
Fame-SEEKING succubis I mean
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I think you mean succubus. LOL! But how is she a succubus? As far as I can remember back to my college lit days, a succubus is a demon that appears as a woman, seduces men in their sleep to have sex with them. Does this really apply to Kate? :)
September 20, 2016 at 7:39 AM
kris said... 190
Jeff said that the romantic spin off show would have been a ratings bonanza. Ha-Ha!! Is he serious? He must not have watched her Blind Date episode. Yawn. No one cares anymore. Sorry Kate.
September 20, 2016 at 8:25 AM
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I think the blind date was dud, but introducing a relationship as a new story line might have bolstered the numbers. Fans might tune back in to see the new dynamic between Kate and a new guy, vs. Jon.
I mean, Jon's dynamic was essential to the success of the show, and it never recovered after he left.
It's funny that we knew that Kate would make Jeff into a storyline, and I'v always thought that Kate tipped off someone, or somebodies, about her date night in Philly and casino visit.
The Little Couple are on our local NBC affiliate right now, as hosts of Angels in Adoption.
Jenn says they want to help every child get the loving home they deserve. The couple talked about their process of adoption through Rainbow Kids- kids with special needs.
They did this before they were married. After attempting to get pregnant and surrogacies, they adopted their 2 children within a year.
Just worked out that way, serendipitously.
After bringing their little girl home from India, Jenn had her cancer scare and aggressive treatment, while Bill took up the slack as Dad and husband.
Great interview. Not one word about their show. Not one plea to get it back on tv. No crying about having bills to pay with 2 special needs kids.
"Kate Gosselin says she was NOT dumped, despite reports. The “Kate Plus Eight” star took to Twitter on Thursday to shoot down the claims.
The supposed split was first claimed by “Entertainment Tonight” on Wednesday, which announced “Kate Gosselin Dumped by Millionaire Boyfriend Jeff Prescott for 26-Year-Old Woman, Source Says.” The outlet said Gosselin was “no longer dating” the business mogul, after he “got cold feet” over Labor Day weekend about appearing on her TLC reality series. A “source” even described the mom of eight as “devastated.”
But all that seems to be news to Gosselin. She tweeted on Thursday night, “Sorry guys. You’ve been ‘duped’ by the tabloids again!” Gosselin continued, “There was no breakup recently/at all. Gotta b in a relationship in order 2 ‘break up!’”
http://www.gossipcop.com/kate-gosselin-not-dumped-jeff-prescott-split-millionaire-boyfriend-breakup-tweet/
This article was from a year ago, and Jeff is consistent a year later.
The Radar article today says they were dating for 9 months, and Kate denied they were dating at all.
Hmm...somebody is lying here...
Cheerleading IS a sport. It's more like gymnastics these days. Very athletic.
MikeB said... 190
Looks like we called it last year. The fabulous date flying around New York with Vann was originally planned to be with Jeff and booked well before Vann was even in the picture. The blatant press leaks with Jeff at dinner and the casino were supposed to be setting up the back story for him to come in and sweep her off her feet with a surprise extravagant date
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ESPN ;-) Just wrote that about the leaked date night.
Van was a convenient understudy that Deanna fixed so that the scheduled filming could continue.
IIRC, Deanna was getting Kate all ready for her "big date night" and Kate was acting like a virgin bride. Meanwhile, she and Jeff were, ahem, bumping uglies, for quite some time.
Nothing wrong with having relations as a single parent, but don't continually try to dupe the public into thinking that you're now chaste and don't enjoy dating, sex and a social life.
Kate's continued to have ALL of that, and she's not just in her kitchen or at the grocery story.
Unless she met Jeff in the organic aisle.
REALEST REALITY SHOW EVAH!!!!!!!!!
I really like Jeff Millionaire sticking it to Kate. He hit her where it hurts, disclosing it was all scripted and he was used. Big surprise. That was a nice F-U as he moves on with his life. Haha, Kate lost that round.
I think you mean succubus. LOL! But how is she a succubus? As far as I can remember back to my college lit days, a succubus is a demon that appears as a woman, seduces men in their sleep to have sex with them. Does this really apply to Kate? :)
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I've always thought that's how she conceived the tups!
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 198
I really like Jeff Millionaire sticking it to Kate. He hit her where it hurts, disclosing it was all scripted and he was used. Big surprise. That was a nice F-U as he moves on with his life. Haha, Kate lost that round.
September 20, 2016 at 8:51 AM
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Yes, and I thought Kate denying a relationship with Jeff last year was a big F-U to Jeff for dumping her and screwing up her plans to revive her sinking show ratings.
I'm guessing Jeff didn't sing a CA.
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