Update 9/14/2016:Officials confirmed Toby Nathaniel Willis was charged with rape of a child. According to reports, the victim was raped when she was between the ages of 9 and 12 while living in Ashland City.
The report stated she was removed by Willis from her bed and raped. The reports added unlawful penetration by Willis took place when the child was older than 3 but younger than 13.
Authorities confirmed Willis was told he was not allowed to go around his biological children or his wife."
http://www.newschannel5.com/news/local-news/reports-say-toby-willis-allegedly-raped-female-family-member
“We have, and will continue, to fully cooperate with law enforcement officials and ask that you direct all inquires regarding Toby Willis’ case to the District Attorney’s office who have our complete support.”
The TBI is also seeking the public’s assistance in finding anyone who may have given Willis a ride while he was hitchhiking to Greenville, Ky., to escape arrest after being charged.
The TBI said Willis accepted rides from at least two people sometime between Sept. 5 and Sept. 6 from Shepherdsville, Ky., just south of Louisville, to Greenville approximately 115 miles away.http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/cheatham/2016/09/14/court-date-set-willis-clan-father-child-rape-charge/90363128/
http://www.newschannel5.com/news/local-news/reports-say-toby-willis-allegedly-raped-female-family-member
9/11/2016:
Toby Willis has been arrested without bond after an investigation into a child rape 12 years ago.
While details remain scarce, reports are Willis was in Kentucky when he was arrested, and he is expected to be extradited to his home state of Tennessee.
https://tbinews.wordpress.com/2016/09/09/ashland-city-man-arrested-charged-in-ongoing-tbi-child-rape-case/
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Get this...citing the "heath of the family" as reason.
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It's funny that we knew that Kate would make Jeff into a storyline, and I'v always thought that Kate tipped off someone, or somebodies, about her date night in Philly and casino visit.
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I would bet my last dime that the photographer in question that evening was good ole' bodyguard Steve.
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The two hours might have been the two hours it took for them to work through every possible scenario as to how to cover up bashing her on the head. When they couldn't work out any possible way to do it, they realized they'd have to kill her.
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But why? They are not doctors. What gave them the idea that JonBenet couldn't be saved? If they found her unconscious but not dead, wouldn't it have been logical to just rush her to a hospital? If Burke came and got them as soon as he hit her and they got her to the hospital immediately, a neurosurgeon could have intervened fast to relieve the intracranial pressure. She might have suffered some damage but she could have lived. Where did they get the idea that JonBenet was beyond saving? It's just so weird. I do not know everything about the case, did a M.E. say that the blow would have been beyond medical intervention? That the minute it was delivered, JonBenet was doomed?
If the purpose was to keep Burke out of trouble, wouldn't it have been better to focus on saving her life(also, you know, because she was their freaking daughter). I don't know, it all seems so strange to me.
Is nothing sacred - first Jeff breaks it off with Kate and now Angelina divorces Brad.
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"To Prescott’s dismay, the reality star began to get ahead of herself, he adds. Gosselin, 41, had plans to put their professional projects on the TLC series, and producers were already discussing a future spinoff about the romance."
I would LOVE to know what these "professional projects" entailed. Wasn't there some buzz about a single-moms charity? Something like that. I can't believe this guy was that naive, I think the whole time all SHE intended was more fodder for her show. All fake fodder, that is.
And I don't believe she had sex with the guy. She probably wasn't even around him more than a handful of times. If there was more to this "relationship" than the one carefully publicized date that we all saw photos of, why no additional scuttlebutt?
Once again, Kate's fakery trips her up. Enough, TLC, enough.
Hmmm, if TLC producers were, as the ROL article says, planning a spin-off about Kate and Jeff, then they had no intentions of letting her go. I think they both believed that the storyline of Kate dating would be a ratings bonanza. Imagine how shocked they all were when the dating episode was a dud, especially if they were planning on a spin-off about Kate dating.
Anyone remember Kate's tweet from long ago when she said she had some dates for lunch, then clarified that it was the fruit kind of dates, not the other kind, "don't want to cause a media frenzy because I said dates!". She truly believed it would be huge. And it wasn't . I guess she can kiss that spin-off goodbye.
The kids are getting bigger, and they will be off on their own in a few years. The dating thing was probably an attempt to start a show with just her so she could continue to film without them. She can't force them to stay home and film once they are adults. Even if they did continue to film, once they are grown and have their own representation they won't be splitting only 15% of the take while she pockets the big paycheck for herself. And we all know she does not like to share.
But why? They are not doctors. What gave them the idea that JonBenet couldn't be saved? If they found her unconscious but not dead, wouldn't it have been logical to just rush her to a hospital?
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That's a huge hole. Every theory out there has a big hole just like that one. No theory has no gaping holes. The most intriguing and mysterious crime in decades.
I watched a clip of the one of the JonBenet shows, and I never thought of the significance of what was on the dining room table. The bowl of pineapple had both Burke and Patsy's fingerprints on it, and had a serving spoon in it. I can't imagine that Patsy would choose that spoon for someone to eat with. It makes sense that her prints would be on the bowl, though--she probably put it away after washing.
There was also a glass with a tea bag and some tea in it, with only Burke's prints on it. It's hard to imagine a child making himself tea instead of grabbing a cold drink, but it's possible. I don't think an adult would choose a crystal glass to make tea--an adult would most likely choose a teacup or a mug.
The theory presented was that Burke had made himself a snack, and JonBenet came downstairs, saw what he was eating, and grabbed some of the pineapple out of the bowl with her hands and ate it. Burke grabbed her hand, causing the injury to the hand, and the altercation escalated from there. That does make sense. There was a lot of pineapple in the bowl, but very little was eaten. Something happened to stop whoever was eating it. It's hard to imagine one child killing another in such a way, but it's definitely possible.
Kids can get angry over the smallest things. I've seen it with my kids - the preferred spot on the couch, what movie to watch, the colour of the bowl they're eating out of, etc. I think it could be believable that he got angry that she grabbed the pineapple, and he grabbed the flashlight and hit her. Don't think he meant to kill her.
And if he doesn't really show emotion now (or then, as shown in the interviews when he was a kid), she could have fell down, and he wasn't alarmed, and went back to bed, having no emotion that he hurt his sister.
And what was with the finding of feces all over the box of chocolates that Jonbenet received for christmas? That was weird. A lot more to this story for sure.
The theory presented was that Burke had made himself a snack, and JonBenet came downstairs, saw what he was eating, and grabbed some of the pineapple out of the bowl with her hands and ate it. Burke grabbed her hand, causing the injury to the hand, and the altercation escalated from there.
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The pineapple was in her stomach digesting. So Burke was eating that and she had time to grab some pineapple eat it swallow it and then he attacked her? Wouldn't he have gone after her as soon as she reached for the bowl?
And if Burke hit her hard and knocked her out would he have then gone and tattles to his parents he did so? Wouldn't he have just gone to bed?
Admin - last night they said it was in the upper part of her stomach (tract?). It didn't have time to digest. They determined she had already digested her dinner from earlier.
But why? They are not doctors. What gave them the idea that JonBenet couldn't be saved? If they found her unconscious but not dead, wouldn't it have been logical to just rush her to a hospital?
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That's a huge hole. Every theory out there has a big hole just like that one. No theory has no gaping holes. The most intriguing and mysterious crime in decades.
Excellent analysis.
I would think 911 and instant medical assistance would have been their first choice.
I was surprised how confident the handful of CBS experts were
when they espoused the Burke theory. But, at least they paid significant attention to the pineapple. Seems like JonBenet only had one piece in her intestines.
For those of you who didn't see the program. There is a very clear photo of the snack. Both Burke and JonBenet liked pineapple in milk. That combination is in a bowl sitting directly on the polished surface of the dining table. An overly large spoon -- most likely used for serving rather than eating -- is in the bowl. There is a glass with a tea bag dangling in it. The glass had Burke's fingerprints. The bowl had fingerprints from Patsy and Burke.
I find all the inconsistent details of this crime to be a true puzzle.
The touch DNA explanation (and dismissal) was a whole new thought process. Dr. Henry Lee is a fascinating character.
If I could begin life and choices all over, I would choose to be a lab rat crime investigator.
Very intriguing questions remain in the Ramsey case. Surely Jon Benet should have been taken to the hospital after being hit on the head. The skin was not broken - there was no blood. If I remember correctly the autopsy report said she died from strangulation because she was asphyxiated by the garrote. I think the garrote was probably fashioned by the father due to the complexity of it.
If the blow to the head which appears to have been not 'planned' did not kill her, surely the garrote was 'intentionally' used to kill her. As well as covering up the crime, shouldn't the father be charged with her death?
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Admin(9),
It's very possible that she had time to eat the pineapple before he grabbed her. I remember my kids grabbing each others' snacks and they can get it in their mouths very fast, knowing that the other child will act fast to get it back. She grabbed it, got it in her mouth fast, and he grabbed her hand (he didn't expect her to grab it, so it would have taken I'm a little time to react). She just has to chew a couple times and swallow. Or, as they showed in the program, she was on the other side of the table and reached across to grab out of the bowl. She would have backed up a bit so Burke couldn't just grab it away, and by the time he came around the table and grabbed her, she had already eaten it.
Once Burke grabbed her, she might have cried out, and he could have hit her with the flashlight to quiet her down before their parents heard. Then he couldn't wake her up and went to his parents for help.
The video of Burke's questioning was alarming. His reaction to being shown the bowl of pineapple, pretending he didn't know what it was. He was hiding something.
Remember that press conference where Patsy said, "I would tell my friends to keep your children close. There's a killer out there". When she said that last part ("There's a killer…"). John mouths the words as she says them. This was not some spontaneous statement from a grief-stricken mother. It was scripted, otherwise how would John know what she was going to say?
The information about the feces was a whole new detail.
They said that Burke suffered from "scatolia". A housekeeper had reported that to authorities. They found a "...grapefruit sized ball of feces" in JonBenet's bed and smears of feces on a box of candy that she had been given.
I don't think that disgusting detail has ever been shared before. I think I would have remembered reading about it.
I would LOVE to know what these "professional projects" entailed.
Me, too. Didn't seem like there was any follow thru on that. She probably did her scorched earth act after he dumped her.
I would bet my last dime that the photographer in question that evening was good ole' bodyguard Steve.
Precisely. I wonder how he felt watching her be stumbling down drunk, in the arms of another man.
Whoever mentioned a CA above....I was thinking the same thing. It must not have covered enough if they did one at all, since he feels free to comment now. Hmmmm.
Once again, Kate's fakery trips her up. Enough, TLC, enough.
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I know, right? The jig is up. It's been up. It got up and walked out of the room, swearing to never to come back again.
Those of you interested in the Ramsey case should read the book I mentioned yesterday, Foreign Faction, by A. James Kolar who led the investigation. He goes through all the theories and evidence and the book suggests it was Burke- not directly stated, but as an 'alternate theory'
Dmasy @13 - I'd never heard about that revolting detail either. It appears the little guy had significant problems.
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"I would tell my friends to keep your children close. There's a killer out there". When she said that last part ("There's a killer…"). John mouths the words as she says them. This was not some spontaneous statement from a grief-stricken mother. It was scripted, otherwise how would John know what she was going to say?
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They may very well have practiced what to say. That doesn't mean they're guilty. Doesn't mean they're not guilty. Means nothing. Just means they practiced, maybe so they would sound clear, and get their message across in a way that made sense, instead of fumbling around not knowing what to say be tongue tied and blow the moment to get their story out there.
The thing frustrating about this case is all the junk science trying to discern whether if you walk funny you're the killer. It's very Dr. Glass-y.
I wonder if Gladys will add Jeff Millionaire to the #WimpyBoys category with Jon and Robert. Clearly, Jeff's story is a LIE, because TFW said there was no relationship, right? She has NO
time to date! If you're not in the kitchen or
the grocery store, you'll never see her! Especially now, with the hours upon hours she spends worrying about her poor, sweet little boy, what's-his-face!
Formerly Duped, Kindle has it for free or 99 cents! Thanks for the suggestion.
Tucker's Mom said... 1
More celeb relationship news- Angelina Jolie has filed for divorce from Brad Pitt.
Get this...citing the "heath of the family" as reason.
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I'd take it with a grain of salt. Brangelina "are getting a divorce" about once a year ever since they got married really. Unless Brad or Angelina or a spokesperson says it, I am not inclined to believe it.
Hey while we're talking about mysteries, do you guys know about Madeleine McCann disappearance? If yes, what do you think happened? Personally I think the portuguese detective Gonzalo Amaral is right and the poor girl died in some accident in the room and the parents covered it up. Any opinions?
And if he doesn't really show emotion now (or then, as shown in the interviews when he was a kid), she could have fell down, and he wasn't alarmed, and went back to bed, having no emotion that he hurt his sister.
And what was with the finding of feces all over the box of chocolates that Jonbenet received for christmas? That was weird. A lot more to this story for sure.
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The smeared feces on the chocolates could be Burke showing his anger and rage against JB.
I can entertain the notion that Burke killed her by accident and felt nothing, in fact, when he awoke the next day to find out she was dead, not having the insight to connect his actions with her death.
Me again. I am back to say I just saw that they found court documents that prove Brad and Angelina are indeed separating. Wow, cannot believe it is actually happening.
RoxyHelen said... 21
I'd take it with a grain of salt. Brangelina "are getting a divorce" about once a year ever since they got married really. Unless Brad or Angelina or a spokesperson says it, I am not inclined to believe it.
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It's official, they've both made statements today.
RoxyHelen (#21), the Brangelina divorce seems to be official this time. Angelina filed, and Brad just issued a statement.
Right after their wedding, I was in a grocery store in L.A., and there was a magazine cover
by the checkstand with Angelina in her wedding dress. And paying for his groceries in front of me on line was her dad, Jon Voight! A lot was made at the time of how he wasn't invited, and
I wondered how he felt seeing that magazine.
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I recall reading about the fecal matter in JB's bed but I think it was suggested that it was her own 'accident,' as reported by a housekeeper. I forget which book it was, but I don't think it mentioned Burke. That's really horrible. The parents should have watch those children interact carefully before this tragic event. Burke was disturbed.
.99 cents on Kindle, wow!
For me, I want to hear what Fleet White has to say. It was mentioned that he has stuff to tell but won't talk to this show. And...John Ramsey threw Fleet's name out there when talking to the police. I also find it odd that this town, the people close to Patsy and John, won't speak even after 20 years.
How long til Milo starts fantasizing about Kate and Brad Pitt getting together? With his 6 kids and her 8, that makes them a perfect match, right? #onebighappyfamily
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And if he doesn't really show emotion now (or then, as shown in the interviews when he was a kid), she could have fell down, and he wasn't alarmed, and went back to bed, having no emotion that he hurt his sister.
And what was with the finding of feces all over the box of chocolates that Jonbenet received for christmas? That was weird. A lot more to this story for sure.
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The smeared feces on the chocolates could be Burke showing his anger and rage against JB. . .
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They should've been able to get DNA from the feces---did they?
More celeb relationship news- Angelina Jolie has filed for divorce from Brad Pitt.
Get this...citing the "heath of the family" as reason.
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I heard best interest of the kids.
You know, don't say that. Even if it's true. It's just so petty. He's their father for life and they need to make their own decisions how they will frame him as such without help from the other parent.
I would have thought she'd be above snide stuff like that.
Very intriguing questions remain in the Ramsey case. Surely Jon Benet should have been taken to the hospital after being hit on the head. The skin was not broken - there was no blood. If I remember correctly the autopsy report said she died from strangulation because she was asphyxiated by the garrote. I think the garrote was probably fashioned by the father due to the complexity of it.
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I'm confused. The diagram they showed of the autopsy report did show a gash in her head, and the flashlight fit perfectly into that hole.
I think Dr. Spitz said there was an indentation on her head but the skin was not broken and there was no blood.
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There's another huge hole in the Burke theory. When did JonBenet wet the bed? It's proven she wet the bed that night. Did she wet the bed and instead of going to her mom and dad she decided to take a little stroll downstairs and get herself a snack, in damp urine stained pajamas? Seems to me you just want to get dry and go back to sleep when you've wet the bed.
Fleet White and his wife Priscilla were close Ramsey friends. However they do not talk to John now and wrote a long public letter stating their frustration with the investigation, DA, governor and pointed to the Ramseys' refusal to cooperate fully with the investigation as the major reason the case was not solved. They were at the crime scene and knew the whole family well.I would also like to know their opinion or knowledge of the events and the Ramseys.
"To Prescott’s dismay, the reality star began to get ahead of herself, he adds. Gosselin, 41, had plans to put their professional projects on the TLC series, and producers were already discussing a future spinoff about the romance."
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Kate does get ahead of herself and although in her defense I don't think she means to, when you are on the receiving end it must really feel like you're being used. In her head all she can think is oh let's do such and such with this new man and put it on TV what a great opportunity. But in a new boyfriend's mind he's thinking does she really care about me or am I just fodder or a commodity?
If she ever wants a successful relationship she needs to take a step back and think about how the other person feels when she does things like that.
My recollection is that Fleet White was with John Ramsey when he 'discovered' Jon Benet's body. Maybe he realized this was not a kidnapping because he and his wife severed their relationship with the Ramseys shortly after that.
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I know there was some urine found in JB's bed but it was also all over her longjohns. She might have released her bladder in fear or at the time of death which is common. Idk if it was old urine in the bed or the sheets were very wet?
Admin, what do you think happened? You seem not to believe the Burke theory. Or maybe you're just as puzzled as anyone how this tragedy happened at all.It's good to hear different viewpoints and I don't think it's too OT since it is a case dealing with child abuse ( and worse), a child in the spotlight of the pageant world, a possibly disturbed sibling, and family secrets .
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If she ever wants a successful relationship she needs to take a step back and think about how the other person feels when she does things like that.
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When has she ever given even a hint of thinking about how other people might feel? She doesn't "see" other people. Everything is always about Kate.
Admin (#31), Angelina should've just built a deck.
According to TFW, it's the single most important decision you can make for your family, with no exaggeration. The Deck Dude makes decks for lesbians and preachers -- I'm sure a couple of movie stars would be no problem.
And, Admin, you gave me quite a chuckle when you suggested that TFW take a step back and think about how other people feel when she does things!
With all the medical advancements of the 21st century, a personality transplant, sadly, still has not been developed.
Admin, what do you think happened? You seem not to believe the Burke theory.
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The Burke theory has too many holes for me. I'm not really married to a theory but if I had to pick Burke and the pineapple or Patsy and the bedwetting I would pick Patsy, hands down.
It is also compelling to me she was exposed to a lot of people at pageants and over the Christmas season. There could have been a real creep among any of them.
Here is a link to the 2-part CBS investigation.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/the-case-of-jonbenet-ramsey-investigators-land-on-theory-of-brother-burke-ramsey/ar-BBwn3zw?ocid=fbmsn
There is a good shot of the bowl of milk and pineapple. (But, wouldn't that combination cause the milk to curdle? Just a kitchen thought...)
Thanks, Admin. I had the same belief until quite recently. mainly because I didn't think a child could cause a fatal blow like that.If there was not a Burke theory that to me now makes sense, I'd also be right there with the Patsy theory who also struck me as odd.And yes, they let random people tour their house at Christmas, had big parties and the whole pageant world to me is creepy. So much DNA must have been in that house.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 36
Kate does get ahead of herself and although in her defense I don't think she means to, when you are on the receiving end it must really feel like you're being used. In her head all she can think is oh let's do such and such with this new man and put it on TV what a great opportunity. But in a new boyfriend's mind he's thinking does she really care about me or am I just fodder or a commodity?
If she ever wants a successful relationship she needs to take a step back and think about how the other person feels when she does things like that.
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Kate thinks of the show first. She thrives on controlling the flow of information to her fans and tries to keep everyone in suspense. With her show on anywhere from a four to six month delay between filming and airing she has no choice but to move fast before the tabloids report on her boyfriend and the story gets old. She doesn't have time for a relationship to develop on its own, everything is a potential idea for a show that must be acted upon quickly.
I don't think she saw Jeff as boyfriend material anyway. He was just another character playing his part. The rumors of their dating in late 2014, the photos from their meeting in May 2015 and then absolutely nothing until Jeff gets cold feet in September right before their big date? That was nothing but a big tease to generate interest. Someone would have seen them together in the meantime if there was any kind of relationship.
I'm convinced Kate talked Jeff into it as a business venture. He would get publicity for his photo business and she would get a storyline that could boost her ratings. Kate had to be absolutely furious her year-long project that was supposed to culminate in the big New York date and introduction of the potential step-father fell completely apart. All her work trying to tie her to Jeff in the press was for naught as literally at the last minute he bailed and they had to bring in Vann (who?) for the "blind date" nobody cared about.
Sorry to ramble, but I think the original script was for the date to be the first half of the show and then she brings Jeff home to meet the kids during the second half. She could play the responsible mom who got to know the guy over the prior year before deciding he might be marriage material. In the ensuing chaos TLC had to fill in the gaps with the kids being filmed at home while Kate went on her blind date. It just wouldn't do to bring a strange man home after the first date.
There is a good shot of the bowl of milk and pineapple. (But, wouldn't that combination cause the milk to curdle? Just a kitchen thought...)
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I don't know about curdling, but when I saw that photo last night, all I could think was UGH...who puts milk into a bowl of pineapple? Different strokes for different folks, I guess!
RoxyHelen @22 - I see you are interested in the Madeleine McCann mystery. I've been following that case for nine years. Yes, I too believe the Portuguese detective, Goncalo Amaral, who determined Madeleine died accidentally (as evidenced by the dogs who alerted to both blood and death) and the parents disposed of her little body while claiming she was abducted.
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The Burke theory has too many holes for me. I'm not really married to a theory but if I had to pick Burke and the pineapple or Patsy and the bedwetting I would pick Patsy, hands down.
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Wasn't the 911 tape analyzed and she could be heard asking, "What did you do?" and then "I called the police, now what?" Or did I read that somewhere?
The Deck Dude makes decks for lesbians and preachers -- I'm sure a couple of movie stars would be no problem.
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What about a movie star who was formerly a lesbian preacher, or would he have to think really hard about that decision?
If she ever wants a successful relationship she needs to take a step back and think about how the other person feels when she does things like that.
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I don't know that Kate understands relationships in the way that non-narcissists do. It's all about Kate and how she feels and what she gains. She doesn't seem to derive pleasure or even satisfaction from caring for others; the kids nor Jon. Everything on the giving end is a chore.
Certainly, no relationship that is built on the shifting sands of being a media personality and reality tv star has a chance in hell of surviving, or ever being healthy in the first place.
I would question any man who is up for, or excited about, having his relationship with Kate and her kids played out on tv.
That right there requires a mentally unhealthy individual.
(which is what I think Deanna is)
I believe Jeff. He realized he's privacy was at risk and his business and reputation would be trashed. Too bad it took him 9 months to figure out Kate would use him.
TLC stinks said... 50
I believe Jeff. He realized he's privacy was at risk and his business and reputation would be trashed. Too bad it took him 9 months to figure out Kate would use him.
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I still don't believe there was any genuine relationship at all. If there was anything more than that one photographed night out, I think it existed largely in his head. Another one of those "i guess we'll never know" scenarios.
Guys!! Poor poor Anjelina Jolie will be a single mother of 6 countem 6 kids! However will she do it? That's only one less than TFW at the moment! We need to start a love offering
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There is a good shot of the bowl of milk and pineapple. (But, wouldn't that combination cause the milk to curdle? Just a kitchen thought...)
I've never had a curdled pina colada. I like fresh pineapple, but my tongue doesn't like the acid, so maybe the milk was to counteract that?
I can't believe that Kate had a real relationship with Jeff. Back when she was trying to land a doctor and instead met Jon, I think she made at least a small amount of effort to make the man feel special. She knew it was in her best interest since she wanted a husband. Jon is a personality type that fell for the tiny effort she put forth. She has since dropped the pretense. It appears her narcissism has grown stronger, more obvious. If she tried to have a real relationship with Jeff, I think he noticed her selfishness. I do believe him that whatever they had went on for 9 months. Someone found him and they discussed some kind of mutual relationship. He realized he'd never get what he was promised and backed out. Smart.
Kate has every reason to lie. Jeff has no reason to lie. Therefore I believe Jef.
I can see Kate be able to be with a guy, lead him on, get what she needs, have fun, have sex, the whole enchilada, and still not consider it anything serious or committed.
Jeff doesn't say he knew her for 9 months, he said they were in a relationship for 9 months, and no guy, with his decent looks and money, is going to blue ball it for that long.
I really think Kate can keep emotionally detached. What's the end game for Kate at this point? A husband and kids?
Nope.
Fodder for her fame and tv show?
Yup.
I'm betting Kate wasn't hurt or crushed when Jeff broke it off. Not in the way most of us ladies would be if were were with a guy for the better part of a year. I bet Kate was just plain pissed off.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/photos-of-man-gripping-childs-hair-onto-walmart-shopping-cart-prompts-investigation-
Wait, it's not ok to drag a child by the hair?
"While I do not agree with his methods I'm not judging him either. The child probably needed some discipline and he made his choice," Don T. said.
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Really? You see a guy pulling a little girl around by her hair as she protests and pleads for him to let go, and you just say, "hey, who am I to judge"?
This is the sheep mentality, in a nutshell.
Their hair follicles weren't being pulled. Their flesh wasn't being hit with a wooden spoon. So, you know, let's not judge Kate.
I can see Kate be able to be with a guy, lead him on, get what she needs, have fun, have sex, the whole enchilada, and still not consider it anything serious or committed.
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Kate has sex?
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"While I do not agree with his methods I'm not judging him either. The child probably needed some discipline and he made his choice," Don T. said.
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Really? You see a guy pulling a little girl around by her hair as she protests and pleads for him to let go, and you just say, "hey, who am I to judge"?
This is the sheep mentality, in a nutshell.
Their hair follicles weren't being pulled. Their flesh wasn't being hit with a wooden spoon. So, you know, let's not judge Kate.
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Yeah that stood out to me too. What the what?
The reality curse continues.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/ax-men-star-gabe-rygaard-dead-after-auto-accident-in-washington/ar-BBwpoPh?li=BBnb7Kz
According to the Daily Mail, Gabe is the third cast member to pass within the past four years.
And Milo makes her triumphant return to the vast wasteland of Kate's Twitter. Enjoy it while you can, Milo, I think your girl may be goin' down for the count this time.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 1h1 hour ago
1st of 3 is done! And if you hold up 8 fingers I think I could see them! Hope all is well on your end! @Kateplusmy8
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 59m59 minutes ago
@CarleneMarie_1 @Kateplusmy8 WOW what a wonderful quote! Thanks so much although I hardly feel like I qualify 4this! I bow to Kate 4sure!
(Milo's 2nd tweet is in response to some fawning platitude-plaque from one of the other 6 fans.)
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 59m59 minutes ago
@CarleneMarie_1 @Kateplusmy8 WOW what a wonderful quote! Thanks so much although I hardly feel like I qualify 4this! I bow to Kate 4sure!
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Well, she does worship the ground she walks on, so if she bows to Kate, she's probably kissing her feet.
NOT A SPOILER!!!
I rarely watch DWTS, but tuned in tonight to see who would be eliminated. All I can say is that I think someone has a guaranteed number of episodes ala(sic) TFW.
This "not judging" thing has been taken so far afield of its original intentions. It was supposed to be about letting people have unpopular opinions and make unpopular choices without feeling emotional abuse from others because of it.
It was never meant to overlook actual wrongdoing. Not judging someone for preferring men instead of women, or something like that, is not the same thing as not judging someone who hits and abuses their boyfriend or girlfriend.
Wasn't the 911 tape analyzed and she could be heard asking, "What did you do?" and then "I called the police, now what?" Or did I read that somewhere?
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There's two schools of thought on the 911 tape as far as I can tell. One thinks you can analyze the tape and that maybe Burke is in the background saying something. The other camp, which includes the lead investigator on the case, says it's too muffled and distant and there's no way to know who or what it really says.
The lead investigator pretty much believes the parents had everything to do with this so for him to say the tape analysis is junk science, I think is significant.
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I don't think she saw Jeff as boyfriend material anyway.
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Nope, I agree with this and everything you said.
I don't think she is looking for the same things in a boyfriend or a relationship that normal people are. When someone enters into a relationship with her who is coming from a healthy place and looking for a healthy relationship, that must be quite jarring. Same goes for a friendship with her, quite frankly. Look how hurt and burned both Jodi and Beth were. Those two women were looking for a healthy relationship with a bestie girl friend. Kate wasn't.
Well, she does worship the ground she walks on, so if she bows to Kate, she's probably kissing her feet.
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Or checking to see what color toe polish Kate is wearing so she can buy the same color. Single White Female thing going on.
i'm with you Admin about the judging. First of all, we judge people for their actions all day every day. When Milo says don't judge, she is saying the other person is wrong. Wrong is a judgment. The question is what do you do with your judgments and are you willing to accept the consequences. That's even what the Bible verse says. It doesn't say Judge not. It says Judge not lest you be judged. It means that you will be known by your actions. As a society, we judge crimes to be wrong and we punish criminals. As a society, we also have to find ways to compromise and get along. Kate is not exempt from judgment just because she's a mother of 8 kids. I am comfortable declaring Kate to be wrong for beating her children. I also firmly believe there is an easy way for Kate to endure less public judgment: stop putting her life in the spotlight. We wouldn't be talking about her decision to send Colin away if she didn't put it on the front page of People!
Yes and scripture also says judging is fine, just do so fairly.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 70
Yes and scripture also says judging is fine, just do so fairly.
Milo most definitely has not just a log but a lumber yard in her eye when she judges...
Somewhat off topic, but I just got home from seeing "To Joey, with love" the documetary about Joey Feek. It was wonderful and very moving. Puts life in perspective. TFW is a sad waste of time. It is playing again on October 6th and I highly recommend it to all of you. Bring tissues.
Boy, am I behind in my reading. I just finished the Jennifer Gardner story in Vanity fair ( from March!!!!) and here is a perfect quote about co-parenting the right way - "Sure, I lost the dream of dancing at my daughter's wedding. But you should see their (her kids) faces when he (Ben) walks through the door. And if you see your kids love someone so purely and wholly, then you're going to be friends with that person." That's how adults handle co-parenting. Well said, Ms. Gardner.
Sad but true said... 62
And Milo makes her triumphant return to the vast wasteland of Kate's Twitter. Enjoy it while you can, Milo, I think your girl may be goin' down for the count this time.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 1h1 hour ago
1st of 3 is done! And if you hold up 8 fingers I think I could see them! Hope all is well on your end! @Kateplusmy8
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But can she tell whether it's 8 fingers or 7?
Wow...this is a must see. it is Kate to the max.
It will answer a lot of questions that has been discussed here about parental alienation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHgoKN1vY1A
Boy, am I behind in my reading. I just finished the Jennifer Gardner story in Vanity fair ( from March!!!!) and here is a perfect quote about co-parenting the right way - "Sure, I lost the dream of dancing at my daughter's wedding.
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It sounds like those kids will be just fine. The only thing I would say to Jennifer is, you can still dance at your daughter's wedding. You're just going to be dancing as good friends proud of who you raised, not as lovers.
Jeanne said... 69
i'm with you Admin about the judging. First of all, we judge people for their actions all day every day. When Milo says don't judge, she is saying the other person is wrong. Wrong is a judgment.
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It seems to me that Christians love to pull out this little chestnut whenever they disagree with dissenting opinions. If they like Kate and I don't, then they will throw out their convenient trope about not throwing stones. It's an attempt to shut down other people, and oppress their opinion by guilting them into shutting up.
It also is meant to dismiss counter opinion and thought as baseless, because I have no right to say something negative, therefore, it must be without merit.
Not so.
Why do parents teach their kids right from wrong in the first place? Why are juries convened and why do judges exist? Why are laws made and aren't the people making them judging what's right and wrong?
The "throwing stones" is nothing more than a weak attempt to manipulate people into shutting up, SHAME THEM, and tell them they're wrong to even deign to do it (which is judgement, no?), while hiding behind the teachings of the bible (or their interpretation thereof).
Just Missy said... 73
Boy, am I behind in my reading. I just finished the Jennifer Gardner story in Vanity fair ( from March!!!!) and here is a perfect quote about co-parenting the right way - "Sure, I lost the dream of dancing at my daughter's wedding. But you should see their (her kids) faces when he (Ben) walks through the door. And if you see your kids love someone so purely and wholly, then you're going to be friends with that person." That's how adults handle co-parenting. Well said, Ms. Gardner.
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THAT is what a mother's love looks like.
But can she tell whether it's 8 fingers or 7?
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Sad, and true!
Good ole Milo with her teasin' and joshin' and winkin' and noddin'
Tucker's Mom (#177), and speaking of opinions, good ol' Gladys has a solid track record of making assumptions and judgments about TFW to fit her fantasy. She bristles when a non-fan makes a negative inference based on a decade of things we've seen or heard. But Gladys creates emotions and behaviors and even actual thoughts for TFW entirely out of whole cloth.
Every time Gladys swoons about how TFW loves her boys, I have to wonder what show she's been watching for a decade. And when she claimed last week that people had no idea of half of what TFW has lived through, I had to shake my head. TFW celebrates her "victimhood," and I'm convinced there is no way she's leaving out a single detail of who's done her wrong and how.
Sorry, it should read "...dance at my daughter's wedding with my husband." It was late - I was emotional. Without those extra words it loses it's meaning, which is she had to give up a dream of hers of staying married, but she's not going to let her dream lost affect her kid's relationship with their father. Sorry for the misquote.
I agree, the purpose of a relationship for Kate is not marriage. If she were to remarry, she wouldn't be the "doing it all herself" mom of 8. No, the purpose of any relationship she might have is a storyline for her show. I think she is so narcissistic that she cannot even feel love for any man. Her love for herself is her driving force.
I wonder how shocked she and TLC were when the ratings came back for the dating episode. They always thought that Kate dating would bring in massive ratings. It was their ace-in-the-hole, the trump card they could pull out if ratings started to lag. And it failed. Remember the tweet she sent out years ago, where she clarified that the dates she had for lunch were the fruit kind, not the kind you go on. "Wouldn't want to start a media frenzy". She really thought this would be huge. What a blow to her ego.
I just took a look at the Kate plus 8 FB page. There's really nothing going on over there except a few people asking when the show is returning.
I did find this comment interesting. This person lives in Poland.
"TLC Poland showed us 2 new episodes already. Kate and kids were building an igloo and talking about daily routines 10 years ago and now. In the second episode there was a quiz about family and the kids were divided into two teams - blue and purple."
It also is meant to dismiss counter opinion and thought as baseless, because I have no right to say something negative, therefore, it must be without merit.
Not so.
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It's also often used as a cheap way to dismiss a good argument when you have no decent counter to it.
Confusing the issues is a cheap and easy way out of a debate and if they were in debate club, they'd lose major points for it.
If you think about it, "don't judge!" is a way out of almost every single criticism anyone could make about anyone.
Kate is a twit said... 82
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I did find this comment interesting. This person lives in Poland.
"TLC Poland showed us 2 new episodes already. Kate and kids were building an igloo and talking about daily routines 10 years ago and now. In the second episode there was a quiz about family and the kids were divided into two teams - blue and purple."
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Fascinating. Is it possible these were part of the online 10-yr anniversary special? (Did anyone watch that?) And the igloo building must have been part of the filming she said they were doing last Feb?
I wonder if they just plan to dump these episodes on parts of the world that don't get a lot of news/info on Kate, and then resume with new filming when/if Collin returns. It sure raises a lot of questions about the future of the show, doesn't it?
I can take or leave most of the photoshopped things posted on Kate's Twitter, but this one strikes my funny bone.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsuR8xWWgAAoy47.jpg
Could this be HER!?!
Scroll down a little and see the blonde headed lady getting her hair done by a hairdresser.
http://okmagazine.com/
According to People, the Ramsey's lawyer is planning on suing CBS:
http://www.people.com/article/jonbenet-burke-ramsey-sue-cbs-docuseries-the-case-of
Sad but true (#84), I can only hope that igloo episode airs in time to be in contention of the
next Emmy awards. It sounds like riveting TV.
Then again, watching snow melt would be infinitely more entertaining than watching TFW exploit her children.
Can you imagine the number of hours it took to get the family to build an igloo? Eight kids outdoors in the cold, filming until they got it done? Including retakes and getting all the right camera angles? Were the children allowed bathroom breaks? If it meant taking their snowboots off
so they wouldn't track snow back in the house, they probably wouldn't even bother to bring it
up. And that's where a set teacher/social worker/advocate would come in. There are more safeguards in place to protect animals on set
than those 8 children have been afforded for
more than a decade. It's a crying shame.
"TLC Poland showed us 2 new episodes already. Kate and kids were building an igloo and talking about daily routines 10 years ago and now. In the second episode there was a quiz about family and the kids were divided into two teams - blue and purple."
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Fascinating. Is it possible these were part of the online 10-yr anniversary special? (Did anyone watch that?) And the igloo building must have been part of the filming she said they were doing last Feb?
I wonder if they just plan to dump these episodes on parts of the world that don't get a lot of news/info on Kate, and then resume with new filming when/if Collin returns. It sure raises a lot of questions about the future of the show, doesn't it?
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Yes. I can't think of another plausible explanation other than the impromptu filming during the huge snow storm (Feb. , I believe, IIRC) this year. It would seem that episode, the "10th Anniversary" episode, got dumped overseas where they are WAY behind the curve in terms of Gosselin zeitgeist.
In terms of the momentum and popularity of Kate and her show some 5 years ago, this anniversary episode would have been a biggie- a real ratings generator.
Sad but true said... 85
I can take or leave most of the photoshopped things posted on Kate's Twitter, but this one strikes my funny bone.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsuR8xWWgAAoy47.jpg
September 21, 2016 at 10:04 AM
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Me, too ;-)
What I think when I look at that photo still? Take away the attention-getting clown wig and nose, and you still have a woman who's begging to be noticed.
I'm no prude, nor am I a pearl-clutcher, but wearing a boob-hugging, strapless, sun dress to host your 8? year-old kids' birthday shindig is just sad.
That's a pool cover up at best and to think it's appropriate for hosting a party with people of all ages shows a remarkable lack of social awareness and common sense.
I know Kate thinks she looks hot in it, and she does look fabulous. It just borders on vulgar for the kids' party.
GollyGee said... 86
Could this be HER!?!
Scroll down a little and see the blonde headed lady getting her hair done by a hairdresser.
http://okmagazine.com/
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I'm lost here. What am I looking for?
Sad but true said... 85
I can take or leave most of the photoshopped things posted on Kate's Twitter, but this one strikes my funny bone.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsuR8xWWgAAoy47.jpg
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Oh, My Lanta!
That just says it all.
Bwahahahahaha!
TMZ is reporting: "Brother to file defamation suit against CBS". The report concludes "If it goes to court this could become de facto murder trial". Needless to say the "brother" is Burke Ramsey.
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This guy roasts people with photoshop by request.
They are incredibly funny. You will need tissues, though, because you will be laughing so hard you will cry!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3523208/Here-s-real-Kylie-look-Designer-amused-internet-taking-Twitter-users-Photoshop-requests-literally-releases-batch-hilariously-edited-pictures.html
Burke Ramsey's lawyer is going to sue.
http://www.people.com/article/jonbenet-burke-ramsey-sue-cbs-docuseries-the-case-of
Kate is a twit said... 87
According to People, the Ramsey's lawyer is planning on suing CBS:
http://www.people.com/article/jonbenet-burke-ramsey-sue-cbs-docuseries-the-case-of
September 21, 2016 at 11:10 AM
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Didn't this lawyer sue on the Ramseys' behalf years ago?
I thought that the CBS show was extremely careful about saying Burke did it. Rather, they focused on a scenario where he did.
Can you imagine the number of hours it took to get the family to build an igloo? Eight kids outdoors in the cold, filming until they got it done?
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Also, every g-d thing with those kids has to be made into a competition.
I can imagine the kids were psyched to see a big snow storm coming. Days off from school! Relaxation! Playing outdoor and indoors. Watching their favorite shows.
Then Kate pounces on the Mother Nature's windfall and decides that you've got to make igloos when the sky is snowing.
It ALWAYS goes back to filming for Kate. What is good fodder for ratings and for episode ideas.
Frankly, it's just beyond the pale to pounce on a couple of precious snow days and wreck it by making it into television.
What could have been each kids' own, individual wonder days of reprieve from school and work, Kate just snatches away from them.
Anonymous said... 93
TMZ is reporting: "Brother to file defamation suit against CBS". The report concludes "If it goes to court this could become de facto murder trial". Needless to say the "brother" is Burke Ramsey.
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The Ramseys saw this coming, thus the Dr. Phil appearances to counter punch.
I wonder how the igloo is worked into the episode. Does TFW admit in the couch interview, like she used to do with Jon (RIP), "It was decided that we all go out and make an igloo?"
Or does she pretend it's all HER idea, as a superfun, hands-on, hurray-for-snow-days mama?
Realest reality -- yup.
I bet TFW thoroughly dreads a regular no-school snow day without a film crew around. Instead of getting the kids out of her hair for at least 8 glorious hours, she's stuck with them underfoot.
I can see them each doing their own thing and trying to stay out of her way the whole day.
Remember, one of the perks she pointed out of having the large house was that the children
could "disperse." That was from the episode
of moving into the mine-all-mine mansion. It
was the last one I ever watched.
Tucker's Mom said... 91
GollyGee said... 86
Could this be HER!?!
Scroll down a little and see the blonde headed lady getting her hair done by a hairdresser.
http://okmagazine.com/
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I'm lost here. What am I looking for?
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Sorry, Tucker's, it is gone now. Sorry, I didn't know how to link it.
It was a blond headed woman getting her hair blow dryed and styled, but you couldn't see her face, but it really looked like TFW!
I agree, Tucker's. You don't wear that to your 8 year old's birthday party. It is borderline vulgar.
Burke's defamation suit will prove very interesting. I believe he hit Jon Benet with the flashlight. However, the official autopsy report says the cause of death was strangulation - she was asphyxiated by the garrote - which I think was applied by her father. It appears to me the blow to the head did not actually kill her but the garrote surely did. The lawyers will have much to deal with here.
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FlimsyFlamsy said... 88
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Can you imagine the number of hours it took to get the family to build an igloo? Eight kids outdoors in the cold, filming until they got it done? Including retakes and getting all the right camera angles?
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Knowing the fakery that is TLC, I wouldn't be surprised if they trucked in pre-packed blocks of snow, then hired outsiders to help. But you're probably right, the kids might well have been out there for hours, while Mommy likely spent five minutes in the snow, then dashed indoors for 3-4 hours to make hot chocolate.
If Burke put the feces on JB's chocolates, I can see Burke getting angry at JB for grabbing some pineapple and while she was eating it, he went and got the flashlight.
Also, when Fleet and John Ramsey went down to the basement to look for JB, John reached for the light switch at the door and said something to the effect of There she is! The light hadn't even come on at that point AND she was in the room, but BEHIND something completely hidden and ran straight there.
He knew she was all ready in there and dead.
Patsy wrote the note.
Burke hurt her.
John did the garrote.
IIRC, wasn't a window that was broken out from the inside? And what about a spider web that was covering the outside in front of the window?
Or does she pretend it's all HER idea, as a superfun, hands-on, hurray-for-snow-days mama?
Realest reality -- yup.
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You know it's going to be Kate's amazingish idea to make igloos (because her parents probably never let her make them!), and turn it into a competition.
The kids are just too old for this stuff.
The idea they're dumping her episodes on a bunch of unsuspecting out-of-the-loop Europeans is hilarious.
TMZ is reporting: "Brother to file defamation suit against CBS". The report concludes "If it goes to court this could become de facto murder trial". Needless to say the "brother" is Burke Ramsey.
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That's interesting. Is it defamation just to have a theory that someone is involved in a crime and lay out your theory? Richard Jewell won a big suit years ago over the Atlanta Olympic bombing when he wasn't the right guy.
Richard Jewell won a big suit years ago over the Atlanta Olympic bombing when he wasn't the right guy.
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He won several lawsuits, and guess who his lawyer was? Lin Wood, the Ramsey's lawyer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell
He won several lawsuits, and guess who his lawyer was? Lin Wood, the Ramsey's lawyer.
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That's right! I wonder if he will help with Burke's suit.
I thought that the CBS show was extremely careful about saying Burke did it. Rather, they focused on a scenario where he did.
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I haven't watched yet, but if they were that careful, I'm not sure I see the lawsuit.
You can speculate until the cows come home about all kinds of wild theories. That's very different than plastering all over the newspapers "He did it!"
My question about the Burke Ramsey interviews is WHY? Why did he agree to do any interviews at all? Obviously it was going to open a bunch of cans of worms and bring about all kinds of speculation again.
He won several lawsuits, and guess who his lawyer was? Lin Wood, the Ramsey's lawyer.
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That's right! I wonder if he will help with Burke's suit.
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He's the one that will be filing the lawsuit. From the People article:
"A lawyer for JonBenét Ramsey's family says he will sue CBS for a recent docuseries that pointed the finger for her killing at her older brother, Burke Ramsey, PEOPLE confirms.
"I'm absolutely going to sue CBS on behalf of Burke as a result of the false accusations and the fraud of the docuseries by CBS," attorney L. Lin Wood tells PEOPLE.
Wood, an Atlanta-based lawyer, told Reuters that "CBS' false and unprofessional attacks on this young man are disgusting and revolting."
But network officials aren't backing down, saying in a statement to PEOPLE, "CBS stands by the broadcast and will do so in court."
If Kate Plus 8 is "coming back for a full season" in January, why hasn't TLC announced it?
The Busby family announced (what a month ago? --see below) it but said they couldn't comment until TLC did officially.
Kate has said October and now January. It makes no sense to me.
"Since season 1 has ended, there hasn’t been a day that we have gotten asked if we were going to be going to a season 2. We have hated that we have had to ignore these questions, but couldn’t comment on the future of OutDaughtered until TLC was ready to make the announcement.
Without further ado here is the official press release from TLC"
You can speculate until the cows come home about all kinds of wild theories. That's very different than plastering all over the newspapers "He did it!"
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It is plastered all over:
'The Case Of: JonBenet Ramsey': Investigators Land on Theory of Brother Burke Ramsey
After going through the evidence available and conducting interviews with some of the those involved in the case, a panel of law enforcement specialists all agreed on the theory that Burke Ramsey killed his sister, JonBenet, during Christmas 1996.
Retired FBI profiler Jim Clemente and former Scotland Yard criminal behavior expert Laura Richards worked with specialists for the CBS two-part special, The Case Of: JonBenet Ramsey. The series premiered Sunday night.
Everyone on the panel concluded on the theory that the then 9-year-old Burke - who he and his parents have always maintained was innocent - killed the then 6-year-old JonBenet by accident in a fit of rage, perhaps over a toy or her eating his food.
The seasoned investigators also asserted that John and Patsy Ramsey concocted the entire kidnapping scenario to confuse authorities and spare Burke.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/the-case-of-jonbenet-ramsey-investigators-land-on-theory-of-brother-burke-ramsey/ar-BBwn3zw?li=BBnb7Kz
Deliverence said... 111
My question about the Burke Ramsey interviews is WHY? Why did he agree to do any interviews at all? Obviously it was going to open a bunch of cans of worms and bring about all kinds of speculation again.
September 21, 2016 at 1:20 PM
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My guess is that Burke and John Ramsey did the Dr. Phil show to put their side of the story/their story out there. Dr. Phil's shows virtually exonerated the Ramseys and focused on the outsider theory of someone entering the Ramsey home, targeting JB and brutally killing her (and writing the note).
I think John Ramsey (and perhaps Burke) realized that getting a jump on CBS's shows implicating Burke might help deflect CBS's "conclusions".
If CBS is sued on behalf of Burke, good luck with that.
CBS certainly did point the finger at Burke, but if Burke has to get involved and testify, I don't think it will go well for him.
My guess is that Burke Ramsey did the Dr. Phil show knowing that the CBS show was in the works. Many of the Ramsey former neighbours and friends refused to be interviewed for the show so it must have been well known that this production was well underway. I know in the past Dr. Phil has paid very well for his interviews (I'm thinking here about Casey Anthony's parents) so I think Burke was compensated enough to get the ball rolling to finance his battle with CBS.
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Milos's #GoodParenting seal of approval is so very important. I guess she can see well enough now to comment on Kate's IG.
miloandjack2016Happy to see you have "got the hang" of #HangingOut w/your teens! A critical skill to good communication thru these crazy years! #GoodParenting.@kateplusmy8
In my opinion, Burke Ramsey did not represent himself well on the Dr. Phil show. He was without curiosity or memory or articulate skills.
His constant smile was disconcerting.
Some of his statements were difficult to understand. He claims never to have read the ransom note. He has distanced himself from the crime -- all the way to another planet.
Question for Admin - I always thought the recommendation of a Grand Jury had to be acted upon. Reports are that, in the Ramsey case, the Grand Jury recommended that John and Patsy be charged but the D.A. refused to sign off on that decision because he didn't think he could get a conviction. On the CBS show, one person even said the D.A. refused to prosecute for "political reasons".
Is the D.A. bound to accept and act per the Grand Jury's recommendation?
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"A lawyer for JonBenét Ramsey's family says he will sue CBS for a recent docuseries that pointed the finger for her killing at her older brother, Burke Ramsey, PEOPLE confirms.
No surprise there. I was thinking about this when I was watching it, wondering if John and Burke were on the phone with their attorney even before the show was over. I would think that both of them would be livid...John, at least. I'm not sure about Burke because he seems to be void of external emotions whatsoever. Something is really "off" there.
Ah, Gladys, you old bean. Keep on deflecting and defending! I was thinking about her this afternoon. If she's happy in this little fantasy world she built for herself, then so be it. It could be the only way she gets any attention whatsoever, and as long as she's content and feels important with this false relationship she thinks she has built with Kate, then she's welcome to it. The thing is the mental health issue, and what happens to someone like that who is so far into Celebrity Worship that she's convinced herself that Kate gives a rat's rear end about her? It may be Milo's only way she gets acknowledged if she's living with a male-dominated household where he calls all the shots. At least on Twitter and IG she can assert herself in a way that she can't do at home.
Regardless, she's still obnoxious, annoying, passive-aggressive, hypocritical, and I imagine can be very nasty, insufferable and noisome.
Does that about cover it?
My question about the Burke Ramsey interviews is WHY? Why did he agree to do any interviews at all? Obviously it was going to open a bunch of cans of worms and bring about all kinds of speculation again.
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Shades of Kate. To set the record straight, and preliminary damage control.
IIRC, wasn't a window that was broken out from the inside? And what about a spider web that was covering the outside in front of the window?
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It was stated that John broke the window one time when he forgot his key and couldn't get into the house, and it was never repaired.
It was a blond headed woman getting her hair blow dryed and styled, but you couldn't see her face, but it really looked like TFW!
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If you couldn't see her face, how did it look like Kate? Don't all long-haired blonde women look alike from the back? :)
LOL, Milo's back in PR mode again. That didn't take long, did it? So much for the dire surgery warnings. What Kate won't lift her little finger to do, Milo takes on her own (allegedly) disintegrating back. Now that's devotion.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 31m31 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 OK me sharing this beautiful pic & ur comment? #HangingOut w/teens! #GoodCommunication! #GoodParenting https://www.instagram.com/p/BKegKYDgCCx/?taken-by=kateplusmy8 …
XXXXX @luvk8andher8 31m31 minutes ago
@kateplusmy8
Hi K8, I just read the show is not coming back...Pls., Tell me this isn't true...Hope All is well with you & the Kids...XO
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 25m25 minutes ago
@luvk8andher8 @Kateplusmy8 Not sure where you read that? Kate just said on #IG
"Full season of Kate Plus 8 returning in January! #Yay " :)
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 20m20 minutes ago
Take heart #KatePlus8 fans! #TLC says we are getting new episodes/new season in January! #LongOverdue https://twitter.com/MiloandJack/status/778749000346238976/photo/1pic.twitter.com/bB1UyO2Qev @Kateplusmy8
XXXXX @luvk8andher8 9m9 minutes ago
@kateplusmy8 Oh, that is GRREAT News!! Thx for responding!! Should we
use Instagram to communicate w/u now
Don't see u on Twitter much...����
XXXXX @luvk8andher8 3m3 minutes ago
@kateplusmy8
Just for your info, I had asked on my phone if The show was com'ng back and answer .com replied and said, sadly, it ws dropped
Has Suri been misinformed? Or does she just get the news faster than Kate?
XXXXX @luvk8andher8 3m3 minutes ago
@kateplusmy8
Just for your info, I had asked on my phone if The show was com'ng back and answer .com replied and said, sadly, it ws dropped If this is true then is Kate lying like last time when her show was first cancelled?I remember hearing her tell her fans not to believe what the media said but then her show was cancelled.Also in this tweet,i clicked on the link milo sent and it said the tweet doesn't exist so she's lying about that. Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 20m20 minutes ago
Take heart #KatePlus8 fans! #TLC says we are getting new episodes/new season in January! #LongOverdue https://twitter.com/MiloandJack/status/778749000346238976/photo/1pic.twitter.com/bB1UyO2Qev @Kateplusmy8
If Burke really had nothing to do with it I can imagine hearing some theory like the pineapple one would be terribly upsetting.
I can see once you are an adult and knowing you've been talked about and analyzed for two decades, finally wanting to say a few things yourself. If he does a whole big media tour that's one thing, but a couple of interviews to speak his mind doesn't seem that significant.
Just for your info, I had asked on my phone if The show was com'ng back and answer .com replied and said, sadly, it ws dropped If this is true then is Kate lying
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Kate's not lying. She just doesn't know WTF is going on. She is a doormat, and TLC wipes its boots on her.
If her kids are her commodity, SHE is TLC's commodity.
Healthy? No, it's actually not.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 57m
@Kateplusmy8 OK me sharing this beautiful pic & ur comment? #HangingOut w/teens! #GoodCommunication! #GoodParenting https://www.instagram.com/p/BKegKYDgCCx/?taken-by=kateplusmy8 …
I like the way she asks Kate if it's OK to post the picture in the same comment that she posts the picture. I guess she must've read Kate's mind and just knew she would say it's okay.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 45m
Take heart #KatePlus8 fans! #TLC says we are getting new episodes/new season in January! #LongOverdue https://twitter.com/MiloandJack/status/778749000346238976/photo/1pic.twitter.com/bB1UyO2Qev @Kateplusmy8
#TLC says? Where did TLC say that? Maybe TLC is a new code name for Kate. I can think of one or 2 things it could be an acronym for.
I don't know what photo she was trying to post, possibly Kate's IG post saying they were returning in January, but when you click on it, nothing shows up.
I would think a big problem Burke has is that he may have the burden of proof if he is considered a public figure, which means in addition to showing that what they said was false, he also has to show they said so with actual malice. Where's the malice here?
And how do you prove a theory to an unsolved crime false?? We've discussed the numerous holes in this theory, but no one can say it's not true just like all the other theories that don't involve him.
This might end up being a very interesting case of first impression. Can you be libeled with a "theory"? Nice to see Lin Wood is still with the family.
Some of his statements were difficult to understand. He claims never to have read the ransom note. He has distanced himself from the crime -- all the way to another planet.
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I noticed he has a pattern of not really facing anything difficult or unsettling. He hides in his room when things are going nuts, he doesn't ask a whole lot of questions of anyone, he's never even read the ransom letter all the way through.
I've seen many children like that, intentionally not allowing themselves to be curious at all about the family's problems. Just not wanting to know. It's a coping mechanism, but I'm not sure it's a good way to cope. Even adults sometimes do cope this way, we've all heard many adults say "I'd just rather not know."
I wonder what help his parents gave him to deal with all this. Therapy, at least?
Oh by the way to endlessly curious and inquisitive individuals like the folks here, it can be hard to understand how anyone could possibly be a player in these events and NOT have read that note!
For many of us, we've read it dozens of times, even more.
Not everyone is like this, some people are happier in their ignorance. Perhaps something happened in the past where their curiosity led to really bad news, and so they learned to not be like that.
Big ifs here, but if Burke accidentally killed JB when he was 9, and his parents covered it up, I don't know that he would deserve jail or detention or anything.
If, indeed, it was an accident, or he really would have had no idea hitting JB would kill her.
The other if is, if Burke had nothing at all to do with JB's death, this has to be horrible for him. Again.
Can Milo see again, or isn't she playing the sympathy card just yet?
Big ifs here, but if Burke accidentally killed JB when he was 9, and his parents covered it up, I don't know that he would deserve jail or detention or anything.
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I thought this was discussed on the documentary, and it was said that he couldn't be charged with anything because he was a minor at the time, and there was no intent to kill. As for his father, is there a SOL on conspiracy, or accessory after the fact for covering it up?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 1h1 hour ago
@luvk8andher8 @Kateplusmy8 Not sure where you read that? Kate just said on #IG
"Full season of Kate Plus 8 returning in January! #Yay " :)
Could Milo possibly equate Kate with TLC, and if Kate said it, it must be true?
If that's what is happening, and Milo is just pulling this TLC stuff out of her Depends, then Kate should tell Milo to shut the heck up and stop broadcasting this as fact.
The other if is, if Burke had nothing at all to do with JB's death, this has to be horrible for him. Again.
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Exactly. So why go on TV? I'd have thought letting the 20th anniversary come and go would have been the better way to go, especially if Burke is a poor communicator and comes off as "odd."!
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I don't know what photo she was trying to post, possibly Kate's IG post saying they were returning in January, but when you click on it, nothing shows up.
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YES, that is what she was posting. That IG post from Kate was on the Aaden photo. I saw it when Milo first posted this on Twitter, don't know why it's not showing now. That comment from Kate is still up in the thread on the Aaden/NookiePookie photo.
It is plastered all over:
'The Case Of: JonBenet Ramsey': Investigators Land on Theory of Brother Burke Ramsey
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The THEORY is plastered all over, but not that this is true. No one is saying we know this for sure. I really think when it comes to libel, there is a difference between having a theory and saying something as if it is fact.
If I say I have a theory that Teresa Hallbuck was killed by her ex-boyfriend, I really don't think that's libel. It's just a theory.
It will be really interesting if the court's say even a theory can be libel. I think that could have a chilling effect on the free discussion of true crime. Why, even this blog could be libeling him by discussing this theory, if theories are libel. Lin Wood had a good case in Richard Jewell. Not so much this time.
As for his father, is there a SOL on conspiracy, or accessory after the fact for covering it up?
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This is interesting, because if he wasn't old enough in Colorado to even have the intent to commit a crime and therefore can't be charged, how can you have a conspiracy or any other assistance charge to someone that hasn't committed a crime in the first place? I was thinking maybe a contributing to the delinquency of a minor charge, but he's not a delinquent.
OT...
I wonder why it's so difficult for actors to get the PA Dutch/Amish dialect to be convincing! I was flipping channels and landed on some Hallmark movie where a former Amish gal finds herself living an "English" life. She tried use the word "ferhuddled," which is common here, and her overall dialect is really amusing. It's kind of a bizarre blend of Swedish and Valley Girl. The Amish back on the farm, wearing soup strainers and aprons, have kind of a southern accent and I'm waiting for them to say "y'all come to the barn-raising, you hear!"
Back to your regularly scheduled programming...Burke, Patsy, Lin Wood, CNN, Milo, Kate, Jeff and lesbian preacher Deckster.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 1m1 minute ago
@luvk8andher8 Her #IG acct is same as twitter acct. kateplusmy8 She's just been very busy lately. Catch her one or the other. :)
Good lord, Milo. Get some help and then STOP, just STOP with the pretending.
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Geez. Now the Swedish/Valley Girl accent has turned into Irish! We're getting the whole United Nations here! I'm waiting for Italy to chime in! Ciao bella.
Interesting article about the possible lawsuit against CBS:
http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/burke-ramsey-says-he-didnt-kill-jonbenet-plans-to-sue-cbs-over-false-attack/
From the article:
"But how strong of a case would Burke Ramsey have against CBS?
To succeed in a defamation case against CBS, Ramsey would have to prove:
1.That the statements in question were false.
2.They were made publicly.
3.The statements were CBS’s fault.
4.The statements caused him harm.
On top of those elements, Harvard Law Professor John Goldberg said that because Ramsey has spoken about the case, like he did in an interview with Dr. Phil, a court would likely consider him a ““limited purpose public figure.” This means that when it comes to statements made about Burke in connection to the case, he would be considered a public figure, which carries an additional burden.
Goldberg said, “Burke could only prevail on a defamation claim against CBS or the investigators by proving not only that the allegations against him are false, but also that CBS and/or the investigators either KNEW that they were false when they made them, or were RECKLESS with regard to the truth or falsity of the allegations.” By contrast, a non-public figure would not have to prove this.
Additionally, the theory that Burke killed his sister was the expressed opinion of the investigators on the show. First Amendment attorney Floyd Abrams (father of LawNewz.com‘s founder), said that “an opinion, clearly denominated as such, on stated facts,” would probably be legally protected. Abrams also said that it may not be in the Ramseys’ best interest to sue, because it would open them up to all sorts of questions at trial."
Rolling Stone also has an article about the Ramsey documentary:
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/3-big-ways-the-case-of-jonbenet-ramsey-got-it-wrong-w440970
They make an interesting point when mentioning the lawsuit:
"CBS included a disclaimer at the end of their closing credits which acknowledged that the "opinions and conclusions … about how [the crime] may have occurred represent just some of the a number of possible scenarios," and encouraged viewers to "reach their own conclusions." This bare minimum of legal cover may be just enough to protect CBS from John Ramsey's inevitable lawsuit – as his attorney Lin Wood has already suggested is in the works – but it likely went unnoticed by viewers."
This is interesting, because if he wasn't old enough in Colorado to even have the intent to commit a crime and therefore can't be charged, how can you have a conspiracy or any other assistance charge to someone that hasn't committed a crime in the first place?
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True, it is interesting. If, however, it was proven that Patsy was guilty (involuntary manslaughter), could John be charged for the cover-up, even though Patsy is dead but certainly was of age at the time when her daughter was killed?
Just for your info, I had asked on my phone if The show was com'ng back and answer .com replied and said, sadly, it ws dropped If this is true then is Kate lying like last time when her show was first cancelled?I remember hearing her tell her fans not to believe what the media said but then her show was cancelled.Also in this tweet,i clicked on the link milo sent and it said the tweet doesn't exist so she's lying about that.
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I'll defend Kate here. Gasp. No, it doesn't mean that she is lying. What it probably means is that she's clueless.
but also that CBS and/or the investigators either KNEW that they were false when they made them, or were RECKLESS with regard to the truth or falsity of the allegations.” By contrast, a non-public figure would not have to prove this.
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The definition of actual malice.
How does he prove they knew they were false when no one knows the truth?
And I don't see how he can prove recklessness when the investigators rebuilt the house on a sound stage and went piece by piece line by line through every piece of evidence? It was the very opposite of reckless! It was meticulousness to an absurd level.
Lin Wood has to be going for the "he's not really a public figure" angle if he has a prayer here.
Now WHAT is Milo doing up past 11 p.m.? Where the heck is Lights-Out Man? You'd think she'd need some extra rest for recuperatin'. Instead she's up way past her bedtime spinning tales about Kate.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 25m25 minutes ago
@NoraSaysNo @Kateplusmy8 Kate said on #IG post....its now January. #TLC keeps messing w/us. 😟
All This Is That (#145), I find you get the maximum humor value out of Gladys' self-important p.r. tweets by reading them as Barney Fife. Don't forget to sniff at the beginning, rock on your heels, hitch up your pants (or slacks), and adjust your deputy hat while you're reading it. She's on the job! Notice her! Love her! No one posted about any tweet of concern from TFW, so I guess we can assume Gladys' eye crisis never made it to her radar. Color me shocked.
"Buttinsky" is really way too mild a description.
She's an obnoxious, arrogant sycophant who answers questions not even remotely directed towards her.
Nora @NoraSaysNo 49m49 minutes ago
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 I thought October. No?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 24m24 minutes ago
@NoraSaysNo @Kateplusmy8 Kate said on #IG post....its now January. #TLC keeps messing w/us. 😟
Nora @NoraSaysNo 22m22 minutes ago
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 Awww..... my littles and I were looking forward to October. I guess we watch reruns until January! #hanginthere
This conversation exemplifies just how little Kate cares about her twitter fans. She must think they all followed her to IG.
She announces on twitter back in July that the show would be returning in October. Then a few days ago, on Instagram, she says that it will now air in January, but says absolutely nothing on twitter.
So this poor fan and her kids were looking forward to shows airing next month, and now she is disappointed to find out from Milo(not Kate) that the show has been delayed.
Yet, I bet, if and when the show finally does air, she'll be back on twitter begging them to join in for a live tweet party. But in the meantime, she can't be bothered to tweet about the show airing in January.
IF Burke did it what in the hell was going through John and Patsy's heads to cover it up the way they did. Not only was he only nine years old, they had more than enough money and connections to ensure he wasn't treated like a predator. They both (I know she's dead) deserve jail time for the money, time and effort they forced the police and FBI to waste.
Floyd Abrams (father of LawNewz.com‘s founder), said that “an opinion, clearly denominated as such, on stated facts,” would probably be legally protected. Abrams also said that it may not be in the Ramseys’ best interest to sue, because it would open them up to all sorts of questions at trial."
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If I were Ramsey, I'd just let this fade away. Keeping it alive with a lawsuit is really opening that proverbial can of worms. This could backfire big time. Why even go there when you know that a trial could be brutal?
This sounds a lot like Kate and her lawsuit. You just never know what skeletons you might unearth.
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It was a blond headed woman getting her hair blow dryed and styled, but you couldn't see her face, but it really looked like TFW!
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If you couldn't see her face, how did it look like Kate? Don't all long-haired blonde women look alike from the back? :)
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Oh, it wasn't from the back! It was facing her left side, not straight on, but to the side front. You could see parts of her face, her nose, her hair was all over.
Looked just like her! I was going to put it in my documents, but forgot.
ROL has yet another Prescott/Gosselin piece this morning, this one even more absurd. I am sure if ROL spoke to this guy at all, it was a 5-minute convo, but they've taken what he said and minced it up into four articles (so far) that probably do not come close to what he actually said. The fact that the guy looked at some listings does not remotely suggest that he and Kate were house-hunting.
http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/kate-gosselin-lies-ex-jeff-prescott-claims-couple-house-hunting/
“We talked a lot about our future together,” claims Prescott, 53, who currently lives in Massachusetts, New York City and Nashville. “I even began to look at homes in Kate’s area to be closer to her.”
Note he says "to be closer to her," not that they were planning on living in together.
But ROL includes that Kate outright lied to fans about having a relationship with him at all. So good for them on this point, I guess.
"Despite being secretly serious with her man, Gosselin denied the entire romance to fans.
“I’m not even dating anyone,” she tweeted in June 2015."
“We talked a lot about our future together,” claims Prescott, 53, who currently lives in Massachusetts, New York City and Nashville. “I even began to look at homes in Kate’s area to be closer to her.”
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Man he's really sticking it to her!
And geez house hunting to be close to her??? God bless him, but how dumb is this guy to not realize what her agenda was? It took him nine months when it should have taken 9 days. Not the sharpest tool in the shed.
Sad but true said... 157
ROL has yet another Prescott/Gosselin piece this morning, this one even more absurd. I am sure if ROL spoke to this guy at all, it was a 5-minute convo, but they've taken what he said and minced it up into four articles (so far) that probably do not come close to what he actually said.
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Seems SOP for the tabloids to splash an interview across the front page, then milk it for several more articles to get clicks.
Same for the People article Kate just did. That cover launched a handful more articles on their website.
I think it's deliciously funny that Jeff is expounding on their relationship and going into detail, making it much harder for Kate to defend her denials.
With these statements, how could anyone think it was all business and some mutual promotion?
“We talked a lot about our future together,” claims Prescott, 53, who currently lives in Massachusetts, New York City and Nashville. “I even began to look at homes in Kate’s area to be closer to her.”
This doesn't say "platonic" to me, and I have no doubt Kate could have been involved with Jeff with no one really catching on...until she either tipped the paps off for one of their date, or told Steve to take the pics and sell them to the tabloids.
IF Burke did it what in the hell was going through John and Patsy's heads to cover it up the way they did. Not only was he only nine years old, they had more than enough money and connections to ensure he wasn't treated like a predator.
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If the family was involved, I am 100% positive they could have talked their way out of it.
If it was Burke, they could have explained it away and just gotten him the help he needed.
If it was them, they could have had a similar story about maybe she had the flashlight and wasn't turning it over to go to bed and there was a struggle and she accidentally got hurt.
Either scenario requires they rush her to the hospital the second she gets hurt.
I find this cover-up outrageous in its absurdity. It's out-rageous. It is so hard to believ a paren't would do that and then place the burden on a 9 year old child to not blow it.
An outside intruder is outrageous too though!
Is it possible one of the hundreds of people who came through the home during Christmas stole the pad and wrote the note at home, then brought it back when they committed the crime? Are investigators SURE they wrote the note in the home?
They wouldn't miss a notepad in the mater of a few days.
Note he says "to be closer to her," not that they were planning on living in together.
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Of course not living with her. I can see Jeff, a very wealthy guy, buying another home to have a base close to Kate, enabling them to more easily continue seeing each other while the public has no clue that she's actually not suffering all alone in the master king bed in her mansion.
It's quite possible Jeff was looking for a place to rent for a time, until they decided to move forward, or not.
I believe this is yet another HUGE lie Kate has been caught in. TPTB at TLC must be tearing their hair out with each revelation of secrecy and fakery.
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Is it possible one of the hundreds of people who came through the home during Christmas stole the pad and wrote the note at home, then brought it back when they committed the crime? Are investigators SURE they wrote the note in the home?
They wouldn't miss a notepad in the matter of a few days.
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They wouldn't notice a notepad missing for a day or two, but, the thought of someone going through the house at Christmas and taking a notepad and taking it home with them and writing the ransom note, bringing it back, get JB and let her eat pineapple, digest it so far, get JB into the basement with the flashlight, go and get Patsy's paint brush, devise a garrote, with no one seeing this person the entire time he/she was in the house and killing her as long as it took to kill her is STUNNING.
Patsy wrote the note.
Uh oh.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/brad-pitt-investigated-for-alleged-child-abuse-after-incident-on-private-plane/ar-BBwtV95#image=BBwrWz3|2
Someone made an anonymous report.
Angelia listed the date of separation as September 15, a day after Pitt's alleged blowup.
Tucker's Mom (#159), I wasn't convinced this was anything more than a business relationship. But
no fiftysomething man thinks of moving to a new state unless he's getting his needs fulfilled. And I'm not talking about sammynella chicken.
I can't imagine TFW actually falling for this guy. In fact, I'm not even sure she's capable of a rewarding, reciprocal relationship of any kind. But the lure of some attention from a rich, successful (read: not mediocre) dude -- who probably dropped a good bit of change trying to impress her -- plus the added bonus of possibly breathing new life into her struggling show, would be hard for a shallow, self-centered person like her to resist.
From Facebook.
Sorry, I couldn't link the picture.
On the picture were a man, 3 preteen children and 2 toddlers, his ex-wife and her new husband.
The man looks like a motorcycle rider with arms full of tattoos. And he wrote this.
Sean Whalen Follow
August 7
This is my ex wife and her husband.
Our 3 kids and their 2 kids.
Tonight they invited me over for dinner.
5 years ago she and I had to have a police escort just to pick up and drop off our kids.
We only communicated through lawyers.
I wanted to punch her boyfriend (now her husband).
Tonight we broke bread, laughed, played with the kids and had a great evening.
Never give up friends.
PEACE is a choice.
It's YOUR choice.
Not THEIR choice.
"Yea but he does..."
"Yea but she does..."
What your ex does is IRRELEVANT.
YOU CHOOSE how and what you say.
YOU CHOOSE how and what you do.
Even when they are trying to fight with you.
ESPECIALLY when they are trying to fight with you.
CHOOSE to create PEACE by LIVING PEACEFULLY.
If only TFW would tear down that wall and give the olive branch to her kids and Jon, the healing would be overflowing and incredible.
Recorded the CBS Ramsey show but have not watched it yet. I have always believed it was a close friend or family member, not the parents or brother. I believe it was a pedophile (JonBenet was sexualized and presented a temptation) and that person attended the party in the Ramsey home. I believe it was someone JonBenet knew and trusted. The person knew the house layout and how much of a bonus John Ramsey received. I believe the note was written after JonBenet was killed accidentally.
There was no sign of forced entry into the Ramsey home that night. If it was a stranger, he would have had to camp out there for at least a day and night. Also the layout of the house was confusing unless you knew it and it would be difficult in the dark of night to navigate the staircases and go down to the basement.I read that the notepad used was Patsy's current one and had some other lists on it, as well as the practice notes- the edges of the torn page matched the ransom note exactly- a 3-page note.She was making lists for the trips to Michigan and then the birthday cruise they were going on as well as another beauty pageant.The Sharpie in a cup nearby was proven to be the one used to write the ransom note and bled through to other pages.Wouldn't an intruder write the note or type it before attempting the crime that night? I wish I bought the intruder scenario- the other ones involving the family are so horrible. If the Burke accidental theory is true, how on earth could the parents do all that cover-up work? Ghastly to imagine.
GollyGee (#165), what a remarkable story. I'm
so glad you shared it.
Yes, for all of TFW's "golden platter" talk about what her children deserve, the thing they deserve the most, and that would cost absolutely nothing, is PEACE. SHE has the power to provide that peace by having a functional relationship with their father. She doesn't have to love him. She doesn't have to even like him. But her resentment is not only poisoning her soul, but is doing unspeakable damage to her children.
One day, one or more of those children will express anger at her for depriving them of a relationship with their father. Or at least for not allowing him in their home. But then again they may not say a word -- they'll just cut her out of their lives completely.
But
no fiftysomething man thinks of moving to a new state unless he's getting his needs fulfilled. And I'm not talking about sammynella chicken.
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LOL!!
Did Kate include that recipe in her cookbook?
I watched the CBS Ramsey shows both Sunday and Monday nights. At the end I did see the "disclaimer". I didn't read it entirely but I do remember something along the lines of "we invite the viewer.....". In retrospect I think it probably meant something like 'we invite you as a viewer to reach you own conclusion about the theory these recognized experts have stated'.
It will be interesting to read the disclaimer as it was actually featured because I'm sure CBS lawyers had all their i's dotted and t's crossed.
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I guess the money Burke Ramsey got for the Dr. Phill interview will now find it's way into Lin Wood's pocket. The circle of life.
If Jeff currently "lives" in Massachusetts, New York City and Nashville and looked at homes in her area it sounds as though he really thought about being "closer to her", or why else would he be thinking about property in rural Pennsylvania. "We talked a lot about our future together" sounds more than platonic coming from a 53 year old guy.
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Someone made an anonymous report.
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Angelina made an "anonymous" report.
They'll evaluate this one out, celeb or not. Not nearly enough to bring it here.
I believe it was a pedophile (JonBenet was sexualized and presented a temptation) and that person attended the party in the Ramsey home. I believe it was someone JonBenet knew and trusted. The person knew the house layout and how much of a bonus John Ramsey received. I believe the note was written after JonBenet was killed accidentally.
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Most true crimes i am pretty solid on a theory after looking at all the evidence but I'm still stuck on the fence on this one. Because that kid had access to SO many people and SO many potential creeps, both through the pageants and through their social lifestyle, makes it much more plausible someone could have done this from the outside. They were not a quiet and secluded rich family. They were very interactive with the public including complete strangers in their home. There were hundreds if not thousands of people in their home over the holidays because they opened it up as part of aChristmas homes tour.
The podcast someone linked to is great, just listened to episode two. They do make somegood points about teh parents not going to check on Burke. When you discover one child is missing isn't the first thing you do is throw open his door and make sure he's okay? And they pointed out his bedroom was really close to hers, so wouldn't you also then wake him up and say honey did you hear anything last night, we can't find your sister.
By their own admission that never happened. But again heat and stress of the moment not everyone is rational.
I read on the TMZ site that the anonymous report was from someone who witnessed the alleged abuse either on a plane or at the airport.
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"LAPD: Brad Pitt Not Investigated for Child Abuse
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The Los Angeles Police Department is not investigating Brad Pitt for child abuse, nor has any allegation been made against the actor, Sgt. Barry Montgomery told The Hollywood Reporter on Thursday morning.
Multiple outlets were reporting Pitt allegedly was recently verbally and physically abuse toward at least one of his children and that is among the reasons why Angelina Jolie is seeking a divorce.
Police tell THR those reports are not accurate.
"We have no criminal investigation that we are actively pursuing," Montgomery said. "To my knowledge, [Pitt talking to police] never happened. And right now, that is where our office is. We are not investigating any case, nor do we have any allegations against Mr. Pitt. We understand how rumors get spun up and hopefully we can put a few of them to rest. We have no investigation involving Mr. Pitt."
https://www.yahoo.com/movies/lapd-brad-pitt-not-investigated-child-abuse-145405591.html
Rumors are going to be flying fast and furious. To me, Jolie's jab in her "for the health of the family" statement lends to this type of speculation.
Now, apparently Pitt is a booze-addled weed head who puts whiskey in his Wheaties.
Rumors are going to be flying fast and furious. To me, Jolie's jab in her "for the health of the family" statement lends to this type of speculation.
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I think Jolie is floating all these rumors. I think she wants full custody, I think she's pissed he had an affair, she's a woman scorned and she's not above putting out little threads that he is abusive and does drugs and alcohol if it will get back at him. This is going to get ugly.
With all the somewhat negative reports coming out about the dating for ratings it's about time for TFW to fire back with an Instagram picture of Shoka and Mak sleeping on her bed titled "the only men in my life". maybe she'll even include the boys in the picture but that may be awkward with one of them missing.
I agree about Milo needing attention, and she's desperate for feeling needed. This connection she believes that she has with Kate satisfies something that is missing in her life. It's not just a "hobby," but a full-time job!
My question would be, though....of all celebrities from whom to choose, why Kate? What is it about Kate that has her so fired up, so lustful, so over-the-top that she's descended into the last stages of CWS?
It's an interesting look into the psychology of fans and celebrities. This is what keeps Milo going, but will she believe that their relationship is still thriving after Kate has disappeared for good, if that ever happens? What will be the long-term effect when her services to pump Kate up are no longer needed? Do they latch on to another celebrity and start a new relationship, or are they still loyal to the old one?
trusted. The person knew the house layout and how much of a bonus John Ramsey received. I believe the note was written after JonBenet was killed accidentally.
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Why write a ransom note? Accidental killing or not, no intruder takes the time to write a note after the fact. They'd just get the heck out of Dodge.
“We talked a lot about our future together,” claims Prescott, 53, who currently lives in Massachusetts, New York City and Nashville. “I even began to look at homes in Kate’s area to be closer to her.”
This doesn't say "platonic" to me, and I have no doubt Kate could have been involved with Jeff with no one really catching on...until she either tipped the paps off for one of their date, or told Steve to take the pics and sell them to the tabloids.
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I am out of the loop with the Jeff thing, but didn't Kate say it was business relationship and denied that they were dating, that the tabloid stories were lies, all lies?
Just because LAPD is not involved does not mean there isn't a DCFS investigation.
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I am out of the loop with the Jeff thing, but didn't Kate say it was business relationship and denied that they were dating, that the tabloid stories were lies, all lies?
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I'm beginning to think the guy's just having fun with it now. "You wanna jerk me around, biatch?" Obviously, two CAN play the game, and that's something that rarely happens to Kate. She's used to the narrative being all hers, all the time.
Let's take a moment to think of the steam coming
out of TFW's ears as Jeff Millionaire collects a paycheck for his Radar story, while her saintly celibate single mommy armor gets its first official chink. The queen of exploitation gets
a taste of her own medicine.
Is Milo going to claim Jeff Prescott needs rent money? LOL
News about Kate Gosselin
Kate's Lies: Gosselin's Ex Reveals Couple Was House-Hunting
Kate Gosselin: My Ex Got Engaged to a Hot 27-Year-Old!
Funny, there is the Hawaiian-Lie, I mean Lei wedding picture with Jon.
Kate Gosselin's ex says he dumped her because she was scripting their dates
Funny, there she is sitting next to Trump!
Kate Gosselin dated her married bodyguard for years, probably until the money ran out and she could no longer afford...
When you google Kate Gosselin, all of this comes up!
You get what you get and you don't get upset!
Reaping what you sowed 101.
Admin...177...This is going to get ugly.
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I just read an article comparing the scorched-earth character demolition tabloid strategy in the Depp/Heard and now the Pitt/Jolie divorces. Laura Wasser, known as a formidable divorce attorney, represents both Depp and Jolie. This approach sounds eerily familiar, was Kate/TLC represented by Wasser or her father in the divorce?
limsyFlamsy said... 184
Let's take a moment to think of the steam coming
out of TFW's ears as Jeff Millionaire collects a paycheck for his Radar story, while her saintly celibate single mommy armor gets its first official chink. The queen of exploitation gets
a taste of her own medicine.
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In the case of Jeff the Millionaire, no DOES mean no!
Just waiting for the sheep to turn on Jeff, who once called Jon a deadbeat dad. That was music to their ears.
Now, yes, apparently Jeff needs rent money.
Wow, was Kate represented by a lawyer who's represented A-listers?
FlimsyFlamsy said... 184
Let's take a moment to think of the steam coming
out of TFW's ears as Jeff Millionaire collects a paycheck for his Radar story, while her saintly celibate single mommy armor gets its first official chink. The queen of exploitation gets a taste of her own medicine.
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Well, she did compare herself to that geyser at Yellowstone.
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I can't find the post now, but someone upthread commented on TFW's ability to make a man believe their relationship is a true one or something to that effect. TFW's former fiancee described her as a "sex kitten" and we've all seen the early tapes of her emoting for Jon's camera/video recorder. If Jeff Millionaire was spending just a few days at a time with her, then leaving to attend to his business interests, I think she was able to pull it off. It probably wasn't until they started spending large blocks of time together discussing his participation in the show that his eyes were opened. Lucky for us it was before he signed the CA.
A new article says that DCFS is investigating Brad Pitt, not LAPD. This is going to be a very, very ugly divorce.
I just remembered that Jeff was quoted as saying
he thought TFW was very smart. If he bought that, he really must've been blinded by love.
Real Crime Profile podcast is really good. I started listening because the did a deep dive into the Making a Murderer documentary.
I do find it weird that they didn't tear apart the house searching for her. And that they didn't ask her brother if he heard anything. And the biggest thing was that he wasn't scared at all, according to his interviews. I find it really hard to believe that a 9/10 year old wouldn't be terrified after a "stranger" broke into their house and murdered his sister.
I'm beginning to think the guy's just having fun with it now. "You wanna jerk me around, biatch?" Obviously, two CAN play the game, and that's something that rarely happens to Kate. She's used to the narrative being all hers, all the time.
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That's the vibe I'm getting. Kate is at her worst when she can't control the other person. Jeff has nothing to lose and she has no leverage on him. She can't do anything about this little diarrhea of the mouth and it's hysterical.
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That's the vibe I'm getting. Kate is at her worst when she can't control the other person. Jeff has nothing to lose and she has no leverage on him. She can't do anything about this little diarrhea of the mouth and it's hysterical.
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Wouldn't it be delicious if someone started on twitter, Sitting Next to Jeff the Millionaire!
Bwahahaha!
A new article says that DCFS is investigating Brad Pitt, not LAPD. This is going to be a very, very ugly divorce.
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When you file and in your next breath call up DCFS, yeah, it's ugly. And manipulative. Don't double dip and forum shop like that. Not a fan. Halle Berry did that, shopping around the various child abuse and family courts trying to find a judge who would let her move to France. She came here too, and was sent packing.
@FlimsyFlamsy (192) I think he did that because he was getting paid by her.Remember,he also said that jon was a deadbeat dad.The thing i love the most is the cherry picking by Kate fans because they can't say he is lying about Kate using him but then agree with him when he said Jon's a deadbeat dad and saying Kate was a great mom.
I have begun listening to the podcast. I think we are asking questions that are just as relevant as the professional investigators asked.
This puzzles me -- if the Ramsey parents were calculating a coverup, why write a 3-page ransom note to set up a kidnapping and then not remove her body from the house?
That makes no sense. Intruder or coverup -- why not take the body elsewhere and keep the kidnap theory in play much longer?
That makes no sense. Intruder or coverup -- why not take the body elsewhere and keep the kidnap theory in play much longer?
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I know - it is just baffling. I also liked the point they made about the 911 call - most people in that situation would stay on the line, because they are reaching out for help, and usually hang on to every word. They don't just hang up. Really looking forward to subsequent episodes to hear the deep dive.
Well the latest I read about Brangelina, it has now been transferred to the FBI, as the "incident" happened in the air (this was from TMZ).
So, the only person would could have reported the incident would have been on the plane.
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