Oh, it was probably me that recommended Dr. Foster and I agree- it's good, not great, but watchable. I much prefer Suranne Jones in Scott & Bailey and Anzac Girls. She's a great actress.
I'm just thinking about Kate's note and I wonder how that kind of asinine behavior goes over when you have a child with severe emotional and behavioral problems. Can you imagine going up to you parent's bedroom door and seeing a sign that basically says "go away"?. I mean, the woman has no job! WTH?
@Tucker's Mom You know,looking at that comment Milo made about #Miss17,makes me wonder.Was Milo so excited about Kate's photo that she had to tell her daughter and show her how positive Kate is?What was so amazing about that photo that she had to tell her family?I doubt very much miss 17 would care really.But thats only if she has a daughter.
Jane said... 170 Pew Research shows that Secy Clinton received over 70% of the Jewish vote and trump 24%. Swastikas have appeared in nearby communities along with trump + white power spray painted. And that's my only political comment!
I've been watching BBC's Doctor Foster. Did someone here recommend it? It's okay, not great, but worth watching. ****** LOL! Just like when she flits about with Steve. As long as there's a nanny there to record everything the kids do, and every conversation they have with their Dad, Kate doesn't give a hoot.
Thanks, Deliverance and Tucker's, With only 5 episodes, Doctor Foster was a quick watch, not great but vaguely interesting. I do love all the recommendations we share here :)
NJGal51 said... 171 kateplusmy8 Thanks! Well done! Cooking magazines tend to tell the truth about foods and the various recipes they write about, so GREAT choice:) @anastasiaruby ======== Too bad the same can't be said of her cookbook.
Well there must be some truth to the latest things being printed about her or she'd be screaming "can we sue" at the top of her lungs **** You mean like using stock photos of food and pawning them off as your cooking? Like copying recipes and tweaking them a little and telling people you made them up? Like the flag cake? Money munch?
Sad but true said... 196 Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m2 minutes ago Next Tues. at 10pm on #TLC we celebrate 10yrs #LookingBack at #KatePlus8 Fun/beautiful memories! You survived Mom! @Kateplusmy8
I just noticed, by leaving out the comma after "survived," Milo is basically saying the kids survived having Kate as a mother! Surely not her intent. LOL! She almost never fails to put her foot in it somewhere. ****** Indeed. Really, the kids have survived Kate, not the other way around. Well, Colin, I certainly hope he survives her with the help he's receiving. He's been gone a looooooong time
OT recommendation- Netflix has comedian Kathy Madigan's concert, and it's hysterical in parts. She's sort of like the female Jeff Foxworthy. She comes from a big Irish family- 7 kids! Somehow, her parents managed to raise them all without a silver platter and exploitation!
So the comment on IG I noted above has indeed been swiffered. And this was left as a reply to that comment, as if it somehow makes Kate look better?
jason_beth_robbins @7813bellaprincess first of all I have been a residential counselor at a similar facility. And the ONLY shaming should be on the parents who poorly parent and dump their kids and not be part of their behavior plan!! These facilities are here to help!! And as a mom and wife NO one who doesn't have multiples or many kids will understand the demands WE PLACE ON OURSELVES to be the "best" at what we are doing! And when we struggle or lack support as moms or wives our significant others often take the brunt of it and our frustration makes us feel all kinds of not good enough! Leave her alone!! No one knows what her life was like with the cameras off! And no one knows how Collin felt during all these life altering changes! They were little! Let's encourage each other not Jude each other! It takes a lot for a parent to reach out for help! It's literally saying "I can't do this" when your kids think you are wonder women!
As far as any of us know, her second sentence is pretty much EXACTLY what Kate did. And no one who isn't a mom of multiples can understand? WTF is she talking about? Almost NONE of the rest of what she says really applies to Kate. She had help up the wazoo, plenty of extended family, and she still managed to f--- up her kids. And then she launches into what their life was like when the cameras were off? So she subscribes to the notion that cameras running do not equal reality? Or that when the cameras went off (as in, off the air, "life altering"?), Kate turned into a lunatic and took it out on her kids? This is one very confused apologist for Kate. When you want a job done right, leave it to Milo, obviously.
@Sad but true How many times are the fans going to say no one knows what goes on with the G8's lives and yet insist that they know Kate is doing the right thing because they watch her show?
Jamezvader1194 (#11), good point. TFW said it herself -- their show is their life and their life is their show, what you see is what you get, and it's the realest reality show. So why should we doubt that what's on the screen is the whole story?
@Sad but true How many times are the fans going to say no one knows what goes on with the G8's lives
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It does get old. No one knows what goes on in anyone's life, heck sometimes your own life! What a dumb argument. We make all kinds of decisions and form all kinds of opinions all the time without really knowing what is happening behind closed doors. That's just called life.
Sooo, Kate only wants her kids to give her news if it's good news? How is that good parenting? If one of the kids is being bullied, if they are worried about grades, if they got in a disagreement with someone--they can't come to their mother to discuss it. I can't imagine cutting off my kids and their concerns. They need that support at home. I suppose Kate thinks that note on her door is a way of showing her fans her "positive attitude", but in reality it is just bad parenting
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Gosh, the sad thing about her is that so much of what she brags about as good parenting is just so, so bad.
You're right, one of the most important roles a parent takes on is to be that person a child can turn to when things are tough. It's not "positivity" to restrict your interactions to only positive ones, it's *avoidance.*
One day, things really are going to get tough for a kid. Most parents want to have built up that trust where their child calls them FIRST. Kate will get the call last, or even, not at all.
Wise words: In the face of failure the wise person takes time for self examination and self reflection, takes responsibility for their own short comings, and makes adjustments to improve their approach and tactics. The foolish person takes time reflecting on others, placing blame on others, and seeking to point out the flaws of others in hopes of making themselves feel better about the failure.
And no one knows how Collin felt during all these life altering changes! They were little ******* We know plenty about Colin since his mother has made him film and work his entire life! They were little, yes, and needed privacy. My God, as a professional, she's an idiot. Any mother who sell their child's privacy for money puts them at risk!
Just watched a couple of minutes of Outdaughtered.
Jon and Kate 2.0!
Mr. Busby scored a FREE PROFESSIONAL PHOTO SHOOT at the photographer's home. TLC's camera was there filming the moment he told Mrs. Busby that he had ShORED a FREE PHOTO SHOOT!
They were sitting on a couch, Mr. B on the left and Mrs. B on the right. Just like...hmmm...
He was sitting there with the laptop wide open and said, I SCORED A FREE PHOTO SHOOT! WOO-HOO!! They high 5, grasp their hands and KISS!
The babies were screaming their heads off and Mrs. B's mother was running an hour and a half late and I thought it was awful that Mr. Busby said that her mother had screwed them over while holding a newborn baby.
Now, Mr. B has to go to work because Mrs. B told him that they have bills and 2 bills together are one million dollars. Now they are showing her with no help. There has to be volunteers coming in and helping her behind the scenes.
Gosh, the sad thing about her is that so much of what she brags about as good parenting is just so, so bad.
You're right, one of the most important roles a parent takes on is to be that person a child can turn to when things are tough. It's not "positivity" to restrict your interactions to only positive ones, it's *avoidance.* ***** Kate views herself more as CEO than mom. The kids are her business and she runs her family as such. Out to Lunch. Do Not Disturb.
@Sad but true Again i have to ask.If Jon used Hailey then why does she hang out with him?Same goes for Jon.I may not dislike Jon but i have to criticize why hes with the person who said that he'd used her for publicly?
Tucker's Mom said... 21 I wonder if Jon and Hailey are cooking up a new show together. Kate must be gnashing her teeth. _____
If she's not gnashing, she should be. Her IG post has been up for well over 6 hours, and her 94.6K followers have delivered only just over 5.1K hearts. (Hey Kate! WTF is everybody?) And some 230+ comments, though I'm sure that number would be quite a bit more if it weren't for her power to delete. The indifference speaks louder than the fawning fangirls.
SO happy Justin Ross Harris was found guilty of killing his precious little boy, Cooper.
What concerned me was that the jury asked the judge for clarification of malice. I was afraid they were one or more wanting to vote not guilty.
He was found with malice and felony murder, which is life in prison without parole. Hopefully, the judge can overrule it to the Death Penalty because GA has the DP.
Horrible that you cared more about getting a text from a minor girl with a picture of her chest than your own son dying in the heat in his car seat that was too small in the car.
So Milo even deletes her IG comments. Two are gone from yesterday's photo, unless that's Kate's handiwork. What could be wrong with these? She left the Miss17 one.
miloandjack2016 My DAD used to say..."Every flower has to grow thru dirt..." 😋 But a little sunshine aka good news sure speeds the process! W/all the weight on your shoulders daily, I would imagine positives from your kids....& your #FurBabies keep you going? @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 Is that supposed to be #MomManagement ? 😋 @kateplusmy8. Totally OK either way...LOL. #TiredEndOfTheDayMom.
So Milo even deletes her IG comments. Two are gone from yesterday's photo, unless that's Kate's handiwork. What could be wrong with these? She left the Miss17 one.
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That would be hilarious if Kate were deleting Milo. She can't really delete her on Twitter. I'm thinking Kate's loving this new platform. Way more control for the CEO.
Jamesvader1194 said... 22 @Sad but true Again i have to ask.If Jon used Hailey then why does she hang out with him?Same goes for Jon.I may not dislike Jon but i have to criticize why hes with the person who said that he'd used her for publicly? _____
I have no idea what Jon is doing anymore, and it's fruitless to speculate. Unfortunately, all reality TV seemed to do for him was lead him into this "one more big score" philosophy of life, like he's rolling the dice in Vegas. He really can't help his kids if he doesn't somehow stabilize his life. And Hailey Glassman is the polar opposite of stable.
Jamesvader1194 said... 22 @Sad but true Again i have to ask.If Jon used Hailey then why does she hang out with him?Same goes for Jon.I may not dislike Jon but i have to criticize why hes with the person who said that he'd used her for publicly? November 15, 2016 at 3:51 PM ****** And who called the paps to tip them off about their lunching outdoors?
I thought the exact same thing, but the story says it was today, November 15. Which actually doesn't make any sense, because it rained for much of the day in NYC and was on the chilly side, and no restaurant owner would have had diners out on the sidewalk in those conditions. Certainly unlikely this time of year. I think you're right, this is some made-up shit.
That photo wasn't taken today in NYC. It was cold and rainy, poured at times, until about 5 when it partly cleared. There were no outside tables today.
Jon is going to be on Entertainment Tonight, tomorrow, Wed 11/16. I just saw the tail end of tonite's show where they showed a clip for the interview. The voice-over was 'is there a custody battle in the future for J&K?' and then Jon was saying as soon as the interview is over, he's calling his attorney.
We've heard all of that before, so who knows when the interview took place, what prompted it, and whether Jon will follow through. Plus, it's more than a little suspect that all of this is coming out a week before the show starts up again. I am still holding out hope that something comes of this and that Jon is successful in getting custody of at least some of his kids. IMO, it's the only chance some of them have to live a healthy adolescence and adulthood.
Take a cold shower, Milo. You've been restrained so far, you didn't comment until a whole EIGHT (!) hours after she posted, and then you hashtag Kate's #HighHeels? (I guarantee you, Kate still wears the bigger cup size if that's what you're after.)
miloandjack2016 LOL. I see you wearing those #HighHeels! Otherwise #Cara is eye to eye w/you? Or barefooted the both of you is she taller? #TeenGrowthSpurt. @kateplusmy8. 😋
Take a cold shower, Milo. You've been restrained so far, you didn't comment until a whole EIGHT (!) hours after she posted, and then you hashtag Kate's #HighHeels? (I guarantee you, Kate still wears the bigger cup size if that's what you're after.)
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lol!! Milo is udderly ecstatic that Kate's cup runneth over.
Why is she so obsessed with heels and Kate's feet? It sounds like Gladys has a foot fetish. She needs to come out of the closet with it (literally). She always seems to stick her foot in her mouth in one way or another.
Question for people with IG accounts: Can people "heart" (favorite) a post more than once? Can you favorite your own post (once or more than once)? I have this image of Kate behind her locked bedroom door, wine glass in one hand, thumb of the other glued to the IG heart button. Even so, she's only managed to get to 5.9K, which pretty much fits my guess that her real followers number b/t 6K and 8K. Because if you really did choose to follow her, why wouldn't you favorite this post?
Milo wasn't quite done, but it's still 45 minutes to #LitesOut, so it's possible she'll be back.
miloandjack2016 Awww...whats a Mom to do? They ALL are just growing so fast! Seems like yesterday mine were toddlers. I guess you are starting to #Feel that #WhereDidTheTimeGo too? @kateplusmy8 ❤
I'm starting to think that Milo's use of the hashtag is to highlight key words for Kate, sort of like your reading comprehension lesson in the 4th grade. Words like #Feel. Cloying doesn't begin to describe the somehow sweaty sensation her words convey.
I watched Outdaughtered today, and I have to agree--that family is out for all they can get. But they do seem a lot more loving towards their kids and toward each other than we ever saw with the Gs. Bottom line, though--they are exploiting their kids. They keep talking about the expense. Yeah, I get it, there are a lot of kids and kids are expensive. But that does not excuse exploiting them.
I saw the first (only) K+8 promo! It was really boring! They have had several for each of their other shows, but only one for K+8. It was Kate making stupid faces, the kids grumbling, and an announcement about 10 years. That was it. The other promos all have a "hook". Something dramatic a viewer might want to tune in to see. For K+8 there was nothing of the sort. A few faces and some griping. That's it. Could it be that TLC is over the Gosselin train wreck? The 10pm time slot and the lack of promotion make me wonder.
I do hope Jon takes Kate to court for custody. He still sees 4 of the kids, and for sure he and Hannah ( and perhaps some of the others) talk about the incident last year when Hannah didn't want to go home. It should be clear who the kids want to live with, how they feel about their custody/visitation arrangements, and how they feel about filming. He needs to be a voice for them, since nobody else is taking their thoughts and feelings into consideration. To their mother and to TLC they are commodities.
Kelly @KellyJeanturner 35m35 minutes ago @MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 , Very excited to watch those little munchkins to grow up to sweet ,love able young adults!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@KellyJeanturner @Kateplusmy8 Yes indeed! She's done an amazing job so far. Bright, social good sense of humor kids! #LikeTheirMom :)
Uh, Collin and Mady represent 25% of her offspring, and I don't think "amazing" is how I'd describe her parenting of those two. If we count in Cara's sullenness and Hannah's apparent desire to escape, we're up to 50%. And the other four, frankly, we don't know very much about.
There is something so GROSS about Milo hashtagging high heels. Blech. Wtf.
___________________ I sometimes wonder what it's like to live in the little Utopian fantasy world that Milo has created for herself and for Kate. It's all about Kate. Always and forever. Is it lonely in there? Does she ever let anyone inside?
The psychology of it all is so intriguing. Sad, perhaps, but fascinating nonetheless.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2h2 hours ago @KellyJeanturner @Kateplusmy8 Yes indeed! She's done an amazing job so far. Bright, social good sense of humor kids! #LikeTheirMom :)
Holy crap, the current Duggar "season" ended last night, and they're bringing them back in January? Another courtship---19-yo Joy (what, no one wants to marry the boys? Oh that's right, they have choices)---and no doubt another quickie wedding. I wonder if these are the only circumstances under which TLC can justify so much filming of Jim Bob and the wife, when they said last year they wouldn't be on as much. Jim Bob is the very definition of famewhore. Too bad he's taken, he and Kate would be a match made in heaven.
Sad but true (#44), wow, another Duggar courtship? Talk about teflon -- I never would've expected that family to survive Josh's scandals. The gravy train is not only still chugging along, but with so many other daughters in the "bullpen," I bet Jim Bob spends his days looking for potential suitors for his kids.
I still say TFW will happily exploit her kids' future relationships if it gets her more episodes on TLC. New puppies aren't going to get her attention for long (and, yes, you can take that both ways...).
I thought the exact same thing, but the story says it was today, November 15. Which actually doesn't make any sense, because it rained for much of the day in NYC and was on the chilly side, and no restaurant owner would have had diners out on the sidewalk in those conditions. Certainly unlikely this time of year. I think you're right, this is some made-up shit.
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There's about four weeks out of the year you can comfortably eat outside in New York when it's not too cold, windy, snowy, rainy, hot or humid. And November ain't part of that.
Weather in NYC was a high of 56 partly sunny on Nov 15, 2016, if you look it up online. For New Yorkers that's considered balmy weather and a beautiful day in November. To someone from a warmer region that's too cold to eat outside. Not for New York City really. Maybe for some, but not all. They were wearing jackets in the pics.
Layla said...39 The 10pm time slot and the lack of promotion make me wonder. *************** Not to mention she'll be competing against the final hour of the DWTS finale, which always gets really good ratings.
I live 25 m north of the city. Yesterday's high temp was 55F, recorded at 12:50 a.m. It dropped the remainder of the day. And it rained, quite hard at times, from early morning until after noon. The photos in ROL were not taken yesterday.
New Yorker said... 48 Weather in NYC was a high of 56 partly sunny on Nov 15, 2016, if you look it up online. For New Yorkers that's considered balmy weather and a beautiful day in November. To someone from a warmer region that's too cold to eat outside. Not for New York City really. Maybe for some, but not all. They were wearing jackets in the pics.
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I live just outside of NYC, their weather is my weather, and have children who work there. Mon, Nov 14 was gorgeous. Eating outside was definitely possible. Tues, Nov 15 (yesterday) it poured and was cold and when speaking to my son last night, he mentioned how miserable it was getting to his office between the rain, which slows down everything, and the increased traffic and security around Trump Tower. Today, it's lovely. Blue skies, a bit cool but a gorgeous day.
@Layla The good thing,is that apart from the PEOPLE cover,i haven't herd of any media outlet inviting Kate for an interview about her upcoming show.The last time was when she went on the today show with Kathie lee which was a 3 minute interview about the date episode.It must piss her off that Jon's doing a ET interview since some of her fans seem upset by it.
I checked out the listings for TLC for next Tuesday, and Outdaughtered and LPBW are on there, but the 10pm time slot says "To Be Announced". So, if someone goes looking for K+8 at 10pm, it isn't there. There is no K+8 marathon leading up to the new season. Lack of promotion, late time slot, no listing, and showing Kate at her worst…is TLC getting sick of her again? Last time the show was canceled, the story circulated that she was impossible to work with. Maybe she has been back long enough for the "real Kate" to come out. I'm sure she was on her best behavior for awhile, but maybe she has become comfortable enough to start acting like..well..Kate again. From the footage we have seen, the "new, improved, mellow Kate" is long gone.
The other shows have something interesting to use as a hook for viewers. Duggar girls courting and having new babies, Amy and Matt's health and marital problems, chaos and babies for the Busbys, catfishing and marital drama for the Sister Wives. The Gosselins? Vacations, birthdays, looking back, and shopping. And it's not even "Plus 8" any more.
Yeah, I just looked up daily rainfall on another site, and almost a quarter inch fell in NYC yesterday. Since it didn't end until early afternoon, I have no clue what restaurant owner would have put out tables after 1 p.m. when the temp was 49F with overcast skies.
miloandjack2016 LOL. I see you wearing those #HighHeels! Otherwise #Cara is eye to eye w/you? Or barefooted the both of you is she taller? #TeenGrowthSpurt. @kateplusmy8
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This is pretty sick. Milo would LOVE that picture of C and TFW barefooted and measuring theirselves against each other. I would be very, very concerned about these tweets getting more creepier by the tweet.
I'm from New York. I've never known people to sit outside in the low 60s. Especially after a rain when everything has pools of water on it. We're a tough lot, but we're not interested in getting pneumonia either.
Just to get some perspective, I looked up Jessa (Duggar) Seewald's IG. She has 1.8mm followers, and her posts average 60-70K hearts. She is in a whole 'nother league from Kate.
This ET interview with Jon could be explosive for K8. According to Fox News Jon will be going to court to get a judge to force her to tell him where Collin is because he doesn't know for sure where he is. He claims the other children don't know where their brother is either. Jon says K8 doesn't answer any of his texts.
Tucker's Mom (#50), thanks for the shout out. I was actually trying to tap into my inner Auntie Ann, but she set the bar very high. I sure do miss her.
The photos in ROL were not taken yesterday. November 16, 2016 at 7:50 AM ****** My guess is that the photo was taken recently, and it makes me go "hmm". Haley and Jon being friends is great. They loved. They hated. They moved on and are apparently friends now. I think those two are quite a lot alike, and were probably catching up and networking, if not scheming ;-) Maybe they're plotting a new show- "Life After Kate; How We Survived The Hate".
Jon is going to be on Entertainment Tonight, tomorrow, Wed 11/16. I just saw the tail end of tonite's show where they showed a clip for the interview. The voice-over was 'is there a custody battle in the future for J&K?' and then Jon was saying as soon as the interview is over, he's calling his attorney.
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I've heard this so many times before, I don't believe it. Jon has been saying he'll sue for custody at least twice a year since 2009, nothing's happened so far I'm not holding my breath.
Tucker's Mom said... 67 The photos in ROL were not taken yesterday. November 16, 2016 at 7:50 AM ****** My guess is that the photo was taken recently, and it makes me go "hmm". Haley and Jon being friends is great. They loved. They hated. They moved on and are apparently friends now. . . . _____
So ironic though. Remember when Hailey came out with texts on her cell or something supporting Kate when she filed her suit against Jon and Robert? I think she is one seriously unstable person, and what she's had done to her face really ruined a reasonably pretty girl.
In my opinion, Jon is pathetic. Don't go on TV and announce to the world that you are going to court to find out where Collin is. He should have had his ass in court long before this. When he supposedly went to Court to file the emergency for Hannah, he should have gone for emergency custody of Collin as well. I guess the Radar article didn't go over to well with Colleen. Jon said never believe anything on Radar, never, ever. So only believe certain articles, hmm? Pathetic
Layla (#55), I can't believe TLC doesn't even have TFW officially in the line up for Tuesday. She was TLC's darling for years. How the mighty have fallen.
TFW cannot legally keep the whereabouts of Colin away from his father, Jon! Unbelievable that Jon has to go to court to get a judge to PRY OPEN HER MOUTH AND SPIT IT OUT where their precious son is!
Does she not realize how bad the publicity will be when this happens? OTOH, will she go the extra mile and be a martyr and not say where he is, be in contempt of court and go to jail?
Because she does it all ALONE! She's a milker, I tell ya!
I believe what Jon is saying. He's been consistent about not knowing what's happening w/the kids, that TFW doesn't answer his texts, that she keeps the kids in the dark about many details, etc. I can also believe that she hasn't told the whole truth about where Collin is and/or why. I hope it's true that he can get this in front of the judge and that something finally happens to change this narrative.
"I have an idea where he is but I don't really know where he is," Jon tells ET's Jennifer Peros. The former "Jon & Kate Plus 8" star goes on to say that while his ex-wife, Kate Gosselin, "says that Collin is in a special school for special needs kids with behavioral problems," Jon claims he has been told otherwise by law enforcement officials.
Thanks for the link. The write-up is short but interesting. Could she really not tell him where his own kid is? Would any court allow that? And not really a surprise if Collin's not actually in an institution for the reasons Kate said.
"In an exclusive sit-down with ET, Jon Gosselin says he's completely out of the loop when it comes to his 12-year-old son Collin's current whereabouts.
"I have an idea where he is but I don't really know where he is," Jon tells ET's Jennifer Peros. The former Jon & Kate Plus 8 star goes on to say that while his ex-wife, Kate Gosselin, "says that Collin is in a special school for special needs kids with behavioral problems,” Jon claims he has been told otherwise by law enforcement officials.
In August, Kate revealed that she enrolled Collin -- one of the divorced couple's eight children together -- in a program away from home to help him cope with "special needs." Collin is missing from the new Kate Plus Eight trailer that debuted late last month, and won't be appearing in the new season of the TLC reality show."
@Tucker's Mom (67) Wasn't Hailey's mom Lauren going to write a book about her daughter and Jon's relationship a year or 2 ago?I remember Lauren follows some of Kate's loyal fans like goody and milo.It was funny how goody said that if she wrote that book,it wouldn't be a "Book of lies" like Gosselin book.Even though Lauren changed her mind from what i herd,probably because she realize no one (except the loyal fans who hate jon) would care about a relationship that happen years ago.
So Milo didn't just post yesterday's platitude on Twitter, she posted it on her own IG, with this "dedication":
miloandjack2016 I post this to honor & celebrate @kateplusmy8 surviving and raising her 8 kids... This journey has been documented and shared over the last 10yrs via #TLC. TUES. Nov.22 at 10pm EST on #TLC begins the new series w/an Anniversary Special celebrating those last 10yrs! #HighFives to you... #MuchRespect. @kateplusmy8. ❤
Layla said... 55 I checked out the listings for TLC for next Tuesday, and Outdaughtered and LPBW are on there, but the 10pm time slot says "To Be Announced". So, if someone goes looking for K+8 at 10pm, it isn't there. There is no K+8 marathon leading up to the new season. Lack of promotion, late time slot, no listing, and showing Kate at her worst…is TLC getting sick of her again? ****** Very interesting that they wouldn't have Kate listed. I have this feeling that TLC is done with regular filming again. I don't know why. Maybe it's because she's been off the air for such a long time, and Colin, plus the child visitation disaster. I'm sure the show will have die-hard fans, but as far as gaining new eyeballs? I don't see that ever happening.
The other shows have something interesting to use as a hook for viewers. Duggar girls courting and having new babies, Amy and Matt's health and marital problems, ****** Aren't they divorced YET? ;-)
Anonymous said... 65 This ET interview with Jon could be explosive for K8. According to Fox News Jon will be going to court to get a judge to force her to tell him where Collin is because he doesn't know for sure where he is. He claims the other children don't know where their brother is either. Jon says K8 doesn't answer any of his texts.
Go Jon go!!!
bm ****** The plot thickens ;-) Now, I really don't get how Kate can keep the whereabouts of Colin from Jon. This is stranger than fiction!
FlimsyFlamsy said... 66 Tucker's Mom (#50), thanks for the shout out. I was actually trying to tap into my inner Auntie Ann, but she set the bar very high. I sure do miss her. ******* Auntie would have kept us laughing through this election! I hope she's ok.
Hey, I haven't been around here in while. I read a new interview with Jon that stated he didn't know where Colin was and hadn't seen him in over a year. How is this legally possible? He has joint custody. Why haven't the courts intervened?
"I mean, I ask but she doesn't tell me," he says about Collin's current whereabouts. "She doesn't answer any of my texts."
Jon claims that Collin's brothers and sisters are also not in touch with him, and also have "no idea" where Collin is. "They know that their mom told them that he has behavioral issues," he says. ****** This is explosive. How can TLC run Kate's show when, if this is true, she is literally hiding Colin somewhere, away from his father and away from his siblings. Just the fact that Jon doubts he's at a special school is very upsetting. It seems as though he's been in touch with law enforcement, so I guess they're in the loop. I still don't know why Jon can't compel Kate to produce his son!
Jon is going to be on Entertainment Tonight, tomorrow, Wed 11/16. I just saw the tail end of tonite's show where they showed a clip for the interview. The voice-over was 'is there a custody battle in the future for J&K?' and then Jon was saying as soon as the interview is over, he's calling his attorney.
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I've been generally supportive of Jon but this is really getting tedious. Every interview it's I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, followed by some shocking revelation like he doesn't see three of the kids or has no idea where his kids are--things that I KNOW should never happen if you would just get yourself down to family law court and get some simple orders on the book that every other father has. At this point, just do it, and leave the public out of it. There really is no benefit to these public interviews.
The ET interview gives me a lot of concern. Jon says he doesn't know where Colin is. Kate has told him and the kids that he is in a special school, but law enforcement officials have told him otherwise.
I hope I'm wrong, but the implication is Colin is either in the juvenile court system or has been placed in a mental hospital. Either all the kids are lying to Jon or something more serious has happened than just Kate getting rid of Colin to film.
In my opinion, Jon is pathetic. Don't go on TV and announce to the world that you are going to court to find out where Collin is. He should have had his ass in court long before this.
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I have to agree with this. Even in our very clogged family law courts here, it should only take a couple weeks to get a simple emergency order that would order the mother to disclose the location of her son to the father. Done.
What's even faster, is you call your attorney and explain mom won't disclose this. They then call mom's attorney, who will then call their client and say look do you want me to bill you for this 10 minute call or bill you for six hours to do a walk-on motion and appear in court to resolve this? You decide. Nine times out of ten that solves it, the attorneys exchange the requested information and dad's attorney passes it on to dad. Done.
Jon, seriously. Seriously. I know she's a parental alienator, and they are difficult for judges to handle. But they're not impossible and this is not something that cannot be solved just because it's Kate.
I believe what Jon is saying. He's been consistent about not knowing what's happening w/the kids, that TFW doesn't answer his texts, that she keeps the kids in the dark about many details, etc. I can also believe that she hasn't told the whole truth about where Collin is and/or why
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Another very easy problem to solve. There are several free communication tools courts use where you can only text/email the other parent directly, you can't delete the texts, and the courts can log in and view what was said if any dispute arise.
Therefore if I email dad through the app and say I've made our child available for your visit this Saturday, and he emails me back and says sorry I'm cancelling, or better yet ignores me, he can't turn around and claim he said anything else because I have proof.
They can see everything Kate says including whether she ignored him. Get on those f-ing apps and protect yourself. Courts use them all the time to prevent such garbage. Help yourself.
Jon, seriously. Seriously. I know she's a parental alienator, and they are difficult for judges to handle. But they're not impossible and this is not something that cannot be solved just because it's Kate. ******* We get frustrated when Kate is interviewed and no one calls out her b.s. This is the same thing. It makes zero sense that Jon has not seen his son, nor know where in the hell he is, UNLESS there's something we don't know that restricts him from availing himself of the modalities that Admin has discussed over and over again. Jon's been around the block 5000x with Kate. He's got to know his options by now. If Kate truly is hiding Colin from Jon, then she is even worse than I thought. I just don't know how any one woman/mother can hold this power.
Further, what bothers me a whole lot is Jon claiming that the other kids don't see Colin or even know where he is. At 12-years old, how can you not be mature enough to demand answers. That's what a 6-year old would do.
From the ET article: Jon claims that Collin's brothers and sisters are also not in touch with him, and also have "no idea" where Collin is. "They know that their mom told them that he has behavioral issues," he says. *** If true, and I tend to believe it is because kids have big mouths and would spill the beans to Jon, how very sad for all of them not to know where TFW has sent the brother that they love. She really has no heart to be able to go on with filming. Well Jon, it's time to shit or get off the pot. This situation is not any good for any of them.
I watched the ET trailer of Jon and Jon said, I think I know where he is at...Well, if you think you know where he is at, WHY didn't you drive there and see if you could get in to talk to someone in charge?
If they wouldn't let you in, get an attorney like Admin said, to call TFW's attorney and get her to SPIT IT OUT where Colin is.
You right, Admin, I SMH at WHY Jon hasn't called the police when all 8 kids didn't come down to the gate the first visitation and nipped this in the bud in the beginning. If she continued, the judge could order her in contempt of court and she would have to produce the kids at visitation.
WHY has this dragged on for 2 years?
I think it is wonderful that they have the apps to check on these texts/emails. The judges realize real quick who the parental alienators are and who are not.
Jon needs to put on his big boy pants and take action. Kate behaves the way she does (with regards to visitation/custody) because she can. He has always let her get away with her antics. Yes, we know it's expensive to fight custody battles, and she has money to fight as much as she wants, but a some point it has to become obvious that she is abusing the system and the law can step in and make things happen--and she can't buy her way out once that happens.
She has no respect for him because he lets her act this way. It's a sign of weakness in her mind, and she has nothing but contempt for him because of it. Get up and do something, Jon! Shaming her doesn't work. She loves the attention and she loves playing martyr and calling him a liar. And he has let her have her way every time. Instead of making her look like an alienator, it makes him look like a weakling.
The kids look so worn out, frazzled, stressed, emotionally wiped out with their mother on the trailer.
TFW screaming about the waffles? HAND ME THE WAFFLES! She is insane and not taking her meds!
I hope Jon can convince the judge to get a psych evaluation on TFW when they go to court when IF it is found out she was hiding him from Jon.
Tucker's, your right. I can't believe it either that she hasn't been arrested for doing what she does to those kids.
TLC has got to be kidding showing Kate Plus 8.
I hope these shows that are showing are going to add many ZERO'S to the 8 checks that are going to the kids after they sue their mother, Steve Neild and TLC/Discovery Channel/Circle 8 Productions.
Like I said before, TLC needs to set up a Gosselin SuperFund to pay these kids for robbing their childhood and enabling their mentally ill mother to film to make them millions upon millions of dollars. TLC has made at least 500 million dollars off these kids backs.
You would of thought she would of been smart enough to tell TLC that they would film if they bought the house out right and put it in Jon and Kate's name. This was when they had the highest ratings and TLC was making a killing.
They put permanent tv lights in the house. That would of been a major clue to have it in the contract that TLC had to pay the note off to film.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 72 Layla (#55), I can't believe TLC doesn't even have TFW officially in the line up for Tuesday. _____
Her show is up on their website now, sandwiched between episodes of Outdaughtered. It repeats at 12 a.m.
Re Collin, I gotta wonder if TLC has been fully apprised of what is going on there. If they haven't, that's a reason to drop her in a NY minute. It's hard to imagine they're just pretending this isn't an issue. I think Kate has either lied to them or left them out of the info loop altogether.
Layla said... 55 I checked out the listings for TLC for next Tuesday -------------- I checked a couple days ago and double checked today. It did and does show up on the TLC.com tv schedule at 10pm est.
If true, and I tend to believe it is because kids have big mouths and would spill the beans to Jon **** Unfortunately, I can believe that Kate would keep Colin's whereabouts from his siblings, lest they tell Jon. She is that controlling. A woman who listens in on every phone call they have with their dad would do this.
So, just before Kate's new season is about to air, Jon floats it out there that she is keeping him from Colin, and any word on Colin. Totally shutting Jon out. TLC has to be having a fit over this. This is not just a little controversy. This is a major, huge allegation and if true, it shows extreme abuse and malice on Kate's part. I honestly don't get it. The Gosselin situation went from sad, to sadder, to toxic. I've seen happier stories when one parent is an addict or in jail.
I don't like or agree with Kate but Jon allowed her to have full legal custody so he wouldn't have to pay child support. That was his undoing, he should have gone into court and request the huge amount of monthly child support be dropped in accordance with his earning. Instead I believe he took the easy way out and gave her legal custody so he could do what he wanted and not worry about bringing in enough to pay support. He has no legal saying in what she does or doesn't do with their kids.
Maybe it's time for Jon to have his lawyers go after TLC for enabling TFW by their continued filming and the harm that it has caused Collin and probably other kids. I'm sure the crew has seen things that TLC doesn't want talked about while under oath. Maybe that type of unwanted publicity will get their attention. It's time to hit them where it hurts and "hit 'em with the hein"!
Suzieq said... 103 I don't like or agree with Kate but Jon allowed her to have full legal custody so he wouldn't have to pay child support. That was his undoing, ******* Mind-boggling lapse in judgement. I don't know what the deal was between Jon and Kate, or how long Jon was forking over 20K a month to Kate, but whatever the circumstances, I'd fight like hell to keep legal custody and not have decisions out of my control.
NJGal51 said... 104 Maybe it's time for Jon to have his lawyers go after TLC for enabling TFW by their continued filming and the harm that it has caused Collin and probably other kids. I'm sure the crew has seen things that TLC doesn't want talked about while under oath. Maybe that type of unwanted publicity will get their attention. It's time to hit them where it hurts and "hit 'em with the hein"! ****** Interesting thought. I wonder if Jon could sue TLC for exploiting his son with disabilities.
Tucker's Mom said... 105 Suzieq said... 103 I don't like or agree with Kate but Jon allowed her to have full legal custody so he wouldn't have to pay child support. That was his undoing, ******* Mind-boggling lapse in judgement. I don't know what the deal was between Jon and Kate, or how long Jon was forking over 20K a month to Kate, but whatever the circumstances, I'd fight like hell to keep legal custody and not have decisions out of my control. _____
I'm sure it somewhere in the archives. IIRC, he was paying in excess of $20K for something like 22 months after the divorce was finalized. It was in April 2012 that we suddenly learned, from Kate's attorney, that he had been "relieved of his CS by Kate." Of course, as Admin pointed out, this made no sense because she's not allowed to reduce or reject CS on behalf of her kids. At that time, a quid pro quo (giving her full legal custody with Jon having visitation) was wildly speculated about, but never confirmed by Jon or Kate or anyone else who would have had access to the paperwork. At least that's how I remember it.
It's especially troubling that (according to Jon) she will not let the children visit with him if they haven't completed their chores. Knowing what we know about her, I can see her finding fault with how chores were done and, if not to her satisfaction, she keeps them from visiting their father.
If, as Jon says, "law enforcement officials" have told him "otherwise" (that Collin is not in a school for children with special needs) that suggests he could be in a detention facility. I truly hope that is not the case and in this matter she is being truthful; that he is in a place for children with special needs and is receiving the attention, therapy and guidance he deserves.
Interesting thought. I wonder if Jon could sue TLC for exploiting his son with disabilities.
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Anyone can sue anyone for anything. If it would make it to court it would be very interesting indeed. I would think that Jon and his attorney would have to prove that Collin has disabilities and that TLC had full knowledge of it, and that the filming exploited him and contributed to the problems he now has. Or, would the fault fall entirely on Kate's shoulders for knowing it, but insisting on filming him regardless, thus absolving TLC of any guilt in this whole thing?
" I don't like or agree with Kate but Jon allowed her to have full legal custody so he wouldn't have to pay child support."
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 8m8 minutes ago @poorbabi @Kateplusmy8 @luvk8andher8 Well...it's about time they start telling people about it!! Looking forward to seeing them all again..
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 7m7 minutes ago @kyle2688 @Kateplusmy8 Yep...been watching them grow up over the yrs. I was there when the 1st special aired!!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 7m7 minutes ago @LEIGHSHAHAN1 @Kateplusmy8 It's been a long wait for sure....everyone is excited to see them back again! :)
@Sad but true (111) For a second when Milo said she was there when it 1st air,i thought she meant she was physically there when they did the 1st special.Would be creepy if she really meant that.
From the interview -- "Collin has special needs," Kate said. "[There's] a fairly fluid diagnosis of what those needs are, but he needs to learn certain strategies to help him deal with things. This has been a struggle we've had for a very long time, and it's one I've dealt with on my own."
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Well, hell's bells, Kate. Good lord in heaven. Whose fault is that? Jon is not dead. Tell him what was and is going on with Collin. Let him know where his son is. You didn't have to deal with it all alone.
Wait. I get it. It's the martyr thing for Kate. Poor Kate. All alone.
She needs a full psych evaluation before she screws up another child's life, or is it too late for that? She makes me sick.
I bet Jon's TV appearance and pictures with Hayley were to make some extra cash to use when taking Kate to court. He's a normal working person, and it has to be difficult to come up with the cash to fight in court. Kate uses the media to make money, and so can he.
I went bcd and looked, and K+8 is now on the listings for TLC. It was not there when I looked yesterday--I wonder why. One thing for sure--she's not getting her usual K+8 marathon before the premiere. That's a first.
She needs a full psych evaluation before she screws up another child's life, or is it too late for that? She makes me sick.
_____________ Milo and Kate's enablers also make me sick. They all need mental health evaluations. Something is serious wrong with the whole bunch of them, gloating over a new series coming up, anxious to see the kids. What in heaven's name is wrong with them? In what alternate universe do they live where it's fine and dandy to exploit kids, and drool over Kate and her incredible parenting?
All This Is That said... 113 . . . She needs a full psych evaluation before she screws up another child's life, or is it too late for that? She makes me sick. _____
I think it's far too late for Mady. She already is who she's going to be, barring a massive intervention by professionals. So, as I noted above, 25% of the children are quite obviously in pretty serious distress. One other has tried (and failed) to get out of Kate's house and live with her father. I don't think anyone should be "celebrating" 10 years of Kate doing anything.
Interesting notion that Jon could perhaps sue TLC on behalf of Collin. I'm assuming nothing prevents that UNLESS he signed a release/waiver for their current employment. If he did, there's a lot more to this story that we don't know.
This has nothing to do with legal custody. You are still entitled to visitation with children and to know where your children are even without legal custody. But, I think there is something to be said that it may have emboldened Kate to think she can run the show.
I think Jon just gave her that in the hopes that it would help reduce the conflict between them, because he was fine with her educational decisions, fine with the school she picked, etc. Requiring him to always sign off on things he's fine with anyway and have constant interactions with him probably only antagonizes her. Hindsight is 20-20.
There is a scenario where a parent might not know where a child is. If a child is in a confidential placement because it's some kind of foster care placement and they don't disclose the physical address to the parents in order to protect all the children from unsafe, angry parents showing up at the location. Visits take place in a neutral location. I've always floated that idea as a possibility. Though, if that were the case, Jon would have been well informed of the case, given proper notice of it by the county, given court dates, a right to contest what the county wants to do with the child, and a visitation schedule. Once again, we're left with huge missing pieces of the puzzle.
Milo said, "Well…its about time they started telling people about it" and "It's been a long wait for sure". She realizes that TLC has not been promoting K+8 like they do their other shows, and it's been an abnormally long time between seasons. She loves to crow about the show and say, "Kate's back!", but she knows there's something going on.
Sherry Baby (#117), yes, Gladys and the other 5 fans sure are an odd lot. Waiting with breathless anticipation to watch someone else's kids go on vacations and play with puppies. And completely ignoring the fact that one of those children, whom they claim to care so much about watching grow up, was sent away from home.
Well, looking ahead to Monday and the likely round of tab show appearances, I wonder how you go about instructing your interviewers that you must ignore TWO elephants in the room. I suppose we'll be treated to some carefully rehearsed BS about Collin's "condition," and Jon will be completely ignored. How nice it would be if just no one was willing to let her on set unless she agreed to answer some real questions. But it won't happen.
"I think it's about money," Jon says. "I think it's about filming and money -- that if I get any right, I'm not going to sign for my kids to film, and I think that's her fear. Because then she'll have no income. It's like taking your job away."
This comment seems to suggest that he DOESN'T have any "rights" when it comes to having a say in what his kids do. But I don't think that would necessarily stop him from suing TLC on Collin's behalf. Kate told the story of "everything's great with ALL the kids" for years, until suddenly that got switched up in 2014 when she told everyone Collin was leaving LCDS. And now, less than 2 years later, he has "issues" that require him living outside of his home. There's no way, if he in fact has "issues," that TLC wasn't aware of them. And conversely, there's no way if he doesn't really have any issues besides Kate that they're not aware of that, either. Either way, they've been actively doing something that was very likely not in the best interests of this child, and they KNEW it.
I'd certainly look at this a lot more closely if these were my kids. For one thing, I'd subpoena copies of all raw footage from Figure 8.
In California news, California has come down hard again on courts allowing a child to decide whether they will visit. The case is In re Korbin Z. and it came out last month.
The Court of Appeal sounds annoyed. They went through the laundry list of cases that say again and again that visitation is up to the JUDGE, not the child: “In no case may a child be allowed to control whether visitation occurs.”
Admin, I'm confused as to why my whole comment wasn't posted, and no rules were broken.
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Hm, I see your comment there, and it does seem to end abruptly. I'm confused too. I'm not able to delete portions of comments, I can only post the entire thing or post none of it at all.
Are you sure it wasn't somehow accidentally deleted on your end? Some kind of copy/paste malfunction?
"I think it's about money," Jon says. "I think it's about filming and money -- that if I get any right, I'm not going to sign for my kids to film, and I think that's her fear. Because then she'll have no income. It's like taking your job away."
This comment seems to suggest that he DOESN'T have any "rights" when it comes to having a say in what his kids do ******* I don't think Jon has any say in filming, or Kate taking the kids out of school or out of state or even the country. It's like the days of kids working the fields. That came first and schools worked around it. Well, lots of luck to Jon if he is trying. I have little to no faith that he can stop Kate from filming her kids, or her remaining kids.
Either way, they've been actively doing something that was very likely not in the best interests of this child, and they KNEW it.
******* My guess is that Jon would have to prove a lot of things to prove harm to his children. Prior knowledge? Malice of forethought? Coercion? Collusion? I have no doubt that many people knew what was going on in that house, including the problems some of the kids were having for a long time now. TLC and Kate slapped lipstick on the kids' expulsion, and they knew it. TLC and Kate knew Colin was failing to thrive in school to the point that he had to leave, and now, be placed in an institution. All the while, things were covered up and then when finally made public, done so in the usual fashion of carefully-orchestrated PR spin. All so Kate and TLC can continue to make money off the kids.
I'd certainly look at this a lot more closely if these were my kids. For one thing, I'd subpoena copies of all raw footage from Figure 8.
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Absolutely! Yes, subpoena away, Jon! Wish Tuma was his attorney! Sue their freaking a's off!
Reading the 2nd article was very upsetting. To even think that precious child was possibly not send to a loving inpatient care facility and doing great to possibly a juvenile facility where they don't give a damn about him and treat him bad.
The latter I believe because this is how she rolls. The chore book is military style. I GASPED when Jon said that CHORES supersede every thing. That evil ***** refuses to hire people to do these things so her kids can have a normal childhood outside of filming!
CHORES supercede homework, and if you don't get your CHORES done, you can't go see Dad.
Even Kendra CRIED when she read the manual and saw how tough those kids had it. I hope Jon would consider calling Kendra to the stand to testify for the kids because she was a witness to the manual and how hard the kids had to work and they were not having any normal basic fun because of work.
Wanna bet Steve's sons don't have a chore manual like that? How can Steve sleep at night knowing all what we know and even what we don't know?
Jon sue for robbing their childhoods, not stopping filming of a child who has a crisis, raw footage of filming, Steve Neild, Figure 8, TLC, Discovery, Kate Gosselin.
Ask for a psych/eval on TFW.
Kate Gosselin Steve Neild TLC Discovery Figure 8 Productions
Tucker's Mom (#127), I think one of the sorriest moments of this decades-long saga was when TFW actually PROFITED from her son leaving home by doing a People photo shoot and interview. She is a horrible mother.
I keep thinking back to the remark that she made about Camp Barnabas, when she said that parents of special needs kids get a break when they send them to camp for a week. I don't think Kate ever thought she'd have a special needs child. Sometimes remarks like that come back to haunt us.
Reading the 2nd article was very upsetting. To even think that precious child was possibly not send to a loving inpatient care facility and doing great to possibly a juvenile facility where they don't give a damn about him and treat him bad.
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What second article? I haven't read all of the posts/articles about Jon and Collin, but where was it reported that Collin was sent to a juvenile facility rather than a treatment facility for kids with special needs?
Blowing (#130), and if TFW had tried to co-parent with her children's father, this overwhelming, I'm-all-alone issue she was struggling with would have been more manageable.
But TFW's solution was to continue to keep Jon out of his children's lives, so she could keep playing her tiny struggling-single-mom violin, and remove C from the house. Gotta love how she claimed he was taking her attention away from the other 7 kids, when that sign on her door clearly shows that household is still all about her. Always has been, always will be.
If I didn't know better, almost sounds like Colin is a missing person. I guess I watch and read too many crime novels.
WTH with Jon? Your kid is literally missing and your crazy ex-wife is the only person who says he's in a program somewhere. And his siblings don't know where he is either, which means they haven't seen him in months.
File a freakin' missing persons report and have law enforcement validate the child's welfare by having the police physically locate the child. Is Jon saying law enforcement did not report to him the physical location of Colin? Ridiculous. If you are concerned enough to go to law enforcement about your child's well-being, certainly you would be informed where the child is. None of this makes sense. Why would they not tell him? Is there some court order against him?
I listened to Jon's ET interview. He said "law enforcement has NOT CONFIRMED" Kate's story where Collin is. Now that I heard his interview, it sounds like he or his attorney have contacted law enforcement to find Collin.
Admin says..... I've been generally supportive of Jon but this is really getting tedious. Every interview it's I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, followed by some shocking revelation like he doesn't see three of the kids or has no idea where his kids are--things that I KNOW should never happen if you would just get yourself down to family law court and get some simple orders on the book that every other father has. At this point, just do it, and leave the public out of it. There really is no benefit to these public interviews. *****************
I agree with every part of this statement. I wonder if Jon knows he can't afford to support even half of his children full time, so that's why he's never gone for more custody than he has now. I'm assuming more custody of the kind he wants comes with more financial responsibility. Unless TFW make so much more money that they wouldn't make him come up with any additional support payments.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 133 Blowing (#130), and if TFW had tried to co-parent with her children's father, this overwhelming, I'm-all-alone issue she was struggling with would have been more manageable. _____
This issue NEVER existed. It is part of the persona she/TLC have developed to get people to empathize with her and thus make her more palatable to the average working mom. If the extent of her paid help---and time away from her kids---was known, no one would ever feel a drop of sympathy for her. She is quite literally made of lies.
I wonder if Jon knows he can't afford to support even half of his children full time, so that's why he's never gone for more custody than he has now. I'm assuming more custody of the kind he wants comes with more financial responsibility. Unless TFW make so much more money that they wouldn't make him come up with any additional support payments. __________________________________
You say that as if Kate supports the children now. Their schooling and expenses are paid by their trust funds. If Kate can use that money to raise them then Jon can too.
The reason Jon doesn't have to pay child support is because Kate isn't paying to support the children either. They support themselves.
However, I do think that Jon would prefer to use his own money to support the children, if he was able to.
Ugh. I'm so tired of people saying Jon allows his children to be filmed in exchange for not paying child support. That was an assumption made because Jon no longer had to pay child support, and people just keep repeating it like it's true.
In my comment yesterday (@109) I mentioned 'detention facility' because Jon said that 'law enforcement officials' told him Collin is not in a school for children with special needs. I suggested he might be in a juvenile facility for young offenders based on police apparently knowing exactly where he is. Although I can't imagine why Jon, as his father, would not be aware of the circumstances.
It really is getting tiresome listening to Jon give these sporadic interviews about what he is going to do - when nothing changes. For your children's sake man get yourself a lawyer who will help you rescue your children from this deeply disturbed woman and the Corporation behind her who are benefiting from their continued exploitation.
FlimsyFlamsy (121) When have any of Kate's fans shown they care about the kids?These were the same fans who were cheering when Mady and Cara announce the kind of toxic relationship they have with their father.Not one of them have ever tweeted to Kate telling her to help heal the relationship between her daughters and their father.They also didn't care when Kate put her kids on a boat a second time knowing they get seasick just to film another episode.I could go on with more examples but there are far to many.
As a parent, how can you SLEEP at night not knowing where your child is?? What they are doing? How they are feeling? They are BOTH so F****d I am at a loss for words.
Jon says the kids don't know where Collin is. Sadly, that means they haven't seen him since she shipped him off. If they have visited, they would know the name of the facility and how far from home it is. That would enable Jon to find Collin. It looks like Kate shipped him off when he became too much of a burden and never looked back.
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Not only did Kate do the People article to make money off Collin's situation, she also made that post (not sure if it was instagram or twitter) saying the show was "postponed, you'll soon see why!" Like it's big, exciting news. She loves to say, "You'll have to watch and see!" in interviews, and she used this tragic situation as her "bait". That's just disgusting. There are no lengths to which this woman will not go in order to squeeze every dime she can out of her kids. They are well aware of their responsibility to bring in money to support their lifestyle. Remember when the show was cancelled before, she said the first thing they asked was if they would be able to stay in their house and their school. The tups were 7 at the time. Sick.
Granny53 said... 132 I swear to God I am about at the point to open a "Go Fund Me" account for Jon for his legal fees to free these children November 17, 2016 at 6:35 AM ******* You've got a heart of gold, and God bless it! However, Jon's an almost 40-year old man who has made some poor decisions, and he and he alone needs to deal with this mess. I hope someone like Tuma can bring powerful legal resources to bear, and see if indeed there is something that can be done to ensure Jon sees ALL of his children on a regular basis. I can't get passed Jon constantly saying that he "gets who he gets". That's smelling like 3-day old fish at this point.
If Kate needs to be compelled by a court to tell Jon where Colin is, she's one really sick cookie. I've just never, ever seen or heard of anything like this.
Heather @Travelin_Family 15h15 hours ago @Kateplusmy8 my kiddos are looking forward to watching this season. ****** Aw, sweet. I hope ALL of your kiddos can watch MOST of Kate's kiddos.
I have no issue with kids doing chores, but homework takes priority. The fact that chores must be completed before visiting dad is appalling. Between the kids doing the work and her hired help, Kate is a lazy Queen Bee in that household. She hasn't changed a bit.
Remember the puppy ochore chart...all written in childish scrawl with times from morning to night. And Mady's bossy attitude leads me to believe she has plenty of power over her younger siblings. Not a recipe for close adult sibling relationships.
I watched the preview clip and it appears Kate does not only "de-age" but also is regressing in maturity. She is a foolish, foolish adult and why TLC believes this show has any entertainment value is puzzling. I hope those fans who always tune in get turned off by watching an adult behave like a 13 year old. Very unpleasant. It also speaks to her mental state. All Jon needs to do is have the judge watch the show. She is unfit to parent. I mean her own daughter says on national TV her mother is "crazy". In my opinion it's true, and none of the kids have respect for Kate or they would not air their grievances against their mother's behavior to the camera. What a screwed up family.
I've been thinking about the twins' reaction to their father speaking to the press again. I'll bet they will be suffering from mean spirited remarks from schoolmates today. Jon didn't score any marks with them by giving that interview.
File a freakin' missing persons report and have law enforcement validate the child's welfare by having the police physically locate the child.
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If his mother knows where Collin is, then the child isn't missing. No law enforcement agency would take any such report seriously. All law enforcement would need to do is make a phone call to the number she provides. That's about as far as it would go.
Reading the 2nd article was very upsetting. To even think that precious child was possibly not send to a loving inpatient care facility and doing great to possibly a juvenile facility where they don't give a damn about him and treat him bad. ======== GollyGee - Where are you getting this? I read the article and didn't see anything about Juvenile Corrections. I know that someone mentioned a "detention facility" yesterday and I told them that that was quite a jump. I doubt that he's done anything that would land him in juvie. BTW, my son works as a counselor in a juvenile detention facility and they do care about the kids, quite a lot in fact. Don't make judgments on things based on what you see on TV or on one bad story in the press. Please don't take this as my picking on you because I'm not.
They are both f-ing juvenile! Jon's quote about the twins, was "we're not speaking right now". That's not how a parent would say that - seems more like teen speak to me. I would think a parent would say, "Mady isn't speaking to me right now". I agree with Admin - this stupid interview schtick of saying you don't know anything, then saying you're going to see a lawyer is ridiculous. Both Kate and Jon are playing victim, while the real victims are the kids. They both can't see past their hate of each other to see how damaging it is to the kids.
Rainbow, totally agree but if all it takes is a phone call, how come Jon says he is still in the dark after all these months? How come law enforcement has not collaborated her public story about Collin and told Jon his location? There has to be more going on here. Here's the full interview:
I agree that Jon doing these tabloid interviews and making noises complaining about not seeing his kids is getting old. What parent can sleep at night not knowing where his child is? If Kate has lied to the press and to her fans that Collin is in a residential special needs program and it is revealed that instead the child is in some detention center, this is a big scandal for TLC. I never thought Collin needed to be sent away per his TV behavior but we only see what TLC and Kate wants us to see. I truly think he just would not obey her, had to be watched closely, and she needed him out of the way for filming. Whatever his issues, it seems it could have been dealt with at home unless it was something really awful and he was a threat to his family or to himself. Amazingly she can still film with just seven now so TLC has to be onboard with whatever is going on.
Barring a court order, if the custodial parent interferes with visitation and places the child out of the home and refuses to tell the ex where the child is could it be considered kidnapping? Just asking.
Just as an FYI, Shawn Tuma follows Jon on IG and "likes" some of his posts. I may be reaching, but this leads me to believe that they're still in touch so maybe Jon can go to (or has gone to) him for advice
I watched the ET segment with Jon and it seems pretty clear that for whatever reason, Kate is allowed to do whatever she wants with Colin, and bar access from Jon. He has no say and she doesn't seem to be obligated to tell him anything, let alone grant him access to his son. How this is legal, I have no idea.
I keep thinking back to the remark that she made about Camp Barnabas, when she said that parents of special needs kids get a break when they send them to camp for a week. I don't think Kate ever thought she'd have a special needs child. Sometimes remarks like that come back to haunt us.
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Hopefully Kate enjoyed her break from having to deal with her son, while he was placed outside the home.
I never thought Collin needed to be sent away per his TV behavior but we only see what TLC and Kate wants us to see. I truly think he just would not obey her, had to be watched closely, and she needed him out of the way for filming. Whatever his issues, it seems it could have been dealt with at home unless it was something really awful and he was a threat to his family or to himself.
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That's just the thing. We don't know what his issues are; how much a part behavior played in this whole thing; if Kate could have handled this by herself in their own home, or if a therapist advised her to place him where he would receive the best help necessary for him.
As such, all of this speculation is just that...speculation. We don't have all of the facts, we haven't been in that home, and all of the armchair psych analysis would do no good without having seen the whole picture, which we may never have, nor should we have. There more than likely is a huge part of this puzzle that is missing, and probably will never be put together...at least not for blogs, not for tabloids, not for television interviews.
If Kate has lied to the press and to her fans that Collin is in a residential special needs program and it is revealed that instead the child is in some detention center, this is a big scandal for TLC. ******* I think it's a huge scandal any way you slice it. Kate continues to film after divorce, acrimony, years of failing to co-parent, parent-child alienation, school expulsions, behavioral difficulties, emotional difficulties, social difficulties and even sending one kid into a treatment program and continuing on like it's the circus, and as if that's not enough... We have Jon saying over and over gain, on national tv, that Kate Gosselin is keeping his son from him. And, no one blinks? No one says, "Hey, this show should not go on like none of the above is happening. This is really F*cked up. What is really going on?" It's like living in bizarroworld. People just live with this cognitive dissonance and you want to slap them into reality. In what world do you sit down with your "kiddos" and watch the Gosselin family, like their lives aren't unbelievably screwed up?
Speaking about unbelievably screwed up, how about that bunch currently appearing on 90 Day Fiance. I stumbled, accidentally I might add, on that show last Sunday and couldn't believe people would actually submit themselves to this humiliation or that viewers see the show as entertainment.
@Tucker's mom And what's more disgusting and sad is Kate's not the only scandal TLC has had.How many sex scandals are they up to since the Willis family?All the duggars had to do was throw Josh under the bus and act as though he doesn't exist and the older daughters get their own show to this day despite alot people boycotting ads and a huge outcry,they still to this day have more episodes coming in January it seems.
That's my sense, too. But it doesn't explain how he was able to get an emergency custody order when Hannah refused to go back to Kate after visitation with Jon. It's all terribly muddled.
You are right, Midnight. It is speculation but that's what you get when you make your life public. In a normal family, a mother would not announce her son's troubles in People magazine and a father would not go on ET questioning where his son is. Actually, I do believe the whole story will come out because the kids have learned to seek attention and the way to do that is by being a public figure like mom or dad.
In my experience, for most types of behaviourial issues a child has, it is a 2 way street with the parent and child. How can she or Jon help him if they aren't "in" on the training. Most likely, he is getting Cognitive Behaviourial Therapy (with possibly medication), to help him cope. Again, I know its speculation, but unless he actually tried to harm himself or others, then a residential treatment facility is just cruel.
I just think he wouldn't fall in line to her demands, and the more she screamed, the less he would comply. We have all seen her meltdowns over the most minor of issues. And the thing is, he probably couldn't follow her demands due to whatever the issues are with his mental health. And medication is not a magic pill - it needs to go hand in hand with therapy. That poor, poor kid.
Nicky said... 164 In my experience, for most types of behaviourial issues a child has, it is a 2 way street with the parent and child. How can she or Jon help him if they aren't "in" on the training. _____
As harsh as it may sounds, he's no good to her if he is disrupting filming in any way. I'm sure Kate could even afford to have a professional available when they are filming (if TLC wouldn't pay for it), but somehow this is her preferred mode of dealing with her troubled son. The idea that she wouldn't allow his father to at least attempt to mitigate his "issues" is a disgrace.
Nicky said... 164 In my experience, for most types of behaviourial issues a child has, it is a 2 way street with the parent and child. How can she or Jon help him if they aren't "in" on the training. Most likely, he is getting Cognitive Behaviourial Therapy (with possibly medication), to help him cope. Again, I know its speculation, but unless he actually tried to harm himself or others, then a residential treatment facility is just cruel. ******* Excellent point. When a patient, especially a child, is in long(er)-term treatment, "rounding" with the family is done on a regular, interim basis, where the patent and family meet with the treatment team and discuss progress, goals and eventually, transition back to home and continued therapies and modalities. How Jon is not a part of this is beyond my comprehension.
I just think he wouldn't fall in line to her demands, and the more she screamed, the less he would comply **** Agree. Colin is a highly-intelligent child and maybe didn't submit and cope like the other siblings.
I heard this morning that Mark Burnett and Roma Downey are creating a family friendly, faith-based TV network. If only TFW had faked her churchgoing persona a little longer, she might've been able to score a gig. But once you've gotten your foot licked on TV during a drunken manhunt, I guess it's hard to unring that bell.
The fans seem to believe that Jon has no rights in regards to his kids, that he basically sold those rights. It is actually pretty common for one parent to get legal custody in a divorce. That part is totally separate from child support and visitation. My sister got a divorce in PA. She has legal custody of the kids. Her ex pays child support based on the PA formula using income, health insurance, etc. He gets copies of school communications, he is at IEP meetings, he has visitation. They do not get along terribly well but work it out. Jon still has rights. My sister still needs his signature to get passports for the kids. I'm unsure why Kate doesn't. If she did, she would have to talk to him.
However, it's been said here before. Neither of these parents seems to have the kids' best interest as the most important thing. Why does Jon never seem to assert his rights? I don't get it. Sure it costs money but I don't understand why you would let money get in the way of finding out where your son is. What did your lawyer say? I doubt he said go on tv and ask.
When I think about Collin I see him as the sweet little boy who took so much time choosing just the right gift for his mother. I believe that he chose a mamma bear with her cub but because he didn't go with the predetermined theme of what the other kids were getting (turtles?) TFW dismissed his gift and, IIRC, she even called his choice "strange" during the couch interview. I hope that wherever he is he is getting some much needed peace in his life.
Duggars pulled in their biggest numbers of the current season last night (Jinger's wedding) with 1.84mm. Which is not such a great number compared to previous seasons of this show. Interestingly, this did not translate into much of a boon for Outdaughtered, which premiered in the hour after the Duggars and lost 40+% of the audience, posting 1.075mm viewers. Doesn't look like they're going to be much of a lead-in for K8.
NJGal51 (#170), and it sounds like TFW was puzzled that there was only one cub, and not 8. As if the individual connection he felt to her was being disregarded, and she only saw him as one of a pack. And having witnessed several months of happy happy joy joy Puppypalooza at Gosselin Manor following C's departure, I think TFW has confirmed what little value he rated in that household.
Why doesn't anyone ask Gladys where Collin is, and why Kate isn't disclosing that information to Jon? As Chief Executive Ewe, Milo knows everything and loves to brag about how close they are and how much she knows as Kate's BFF.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 3m3 minutes ago People are foolish to judge you based on partial vague pieces of info! So much good we have yet to know! #MomDoingHerBest > @Kateplusmy8
Milo, you moron. Shut up and stop shooting yourself in the foot. YOU judge Kate based on partial information and what you see on television! Could it be that there are even more bad things yet to know?
Sad but true said... 171 Duggars pulled in their biggest numbers of the current season last night (Jinger's wedding) with 1.84mm. Which is not such a great number compared to previous seasons of this show. Interestingly, this did not translate into much of a boon for Outdaughtered, which premiered in the hour after the Duggars and lost 40+% of the audience, posting 1.075mm viewers. Doesn't look like they're going to be much of a lead-in for K8.
***** Thanks for the numbers! A Duggar wedding garners 1.8M? Not impressive, and even worse or OutDaughtered, losing so many eyeballs. Wow.
And having witnessed several months of happy happy joy joy Puppypalooza at Gosselin Manor following C's departure, I think TFW has confirmed what little value he rated in that household. ***** Hey, life goes on. Filming happens regardless of the body count.
Anybody have a clue what Doofus was trying to say here? "So much good we have yet to know"? Was she translating from the Pig Latin that seems to be spoken in her head? Has there been some huge misunderstanding about everything with Jon? Was Collin in fact never removed from home? Or was he blessed by angels, "cured" of all his "issues," and miraculously returned home to be filmed the crap out of this season? Will he be appearing as himself in all 8 episodes? Cuz really, that's about all I'm interested in knowing from Kate Gosselin at the moment. Her silence is deafening.
Well here's some good news.For those who've been following the whole Bullyville saga.Deric Lostutter(a Bullyville employee)pled guilty in federal court for computer hacking.For those who don't know who he is,apparently he was hired by bullyville to stalk and harass the Kate critics on twitter.He faces up to 6 years in prison. http://www.viaviewfiles.net/uncategorized/mcgibney-bullyville-employee-deric-lostutter-pleads-guilty-federal-court-computer-hacking/
Jamesvader1194 said... 178 Well here's some good news.For those who've been following the whole Bullyville saga.Deric Lostutter(a Bullyville employee)pled guilty in federal court for computer hacking.For those who don't know who he is,apparently he was hired by bullyville to stalk and harass the Kate critics on twitter.He faces up to 6 years in prison. http://www.viaviewfiles.net/uncategorized/mcgibney-bullyville-employee-deric-lostutter-pleads-guilty-federal-court-computer-hacking/ November 17, 2016 at 6:14 PM ****** And what does Kate get for colluding with him and telling them to go after her "haterz"? "Take them down", or something like that? I know that there's a trail of Kate telling people to shut down other sites and people. I remember when she'd just outright tell @TLC to take care of that so and so, on her Twitter.
Wow, TLC really promoted the heck out of Outdaughtered, and the premiere only bright in 1.075 million? Yikes. I wonder what will happen next week when K+8 comes on at 10. It's a late time slot, but so many people are out of work/school for Thanksgiving, and don't have to get up the next morning. Things will get interesting as the season goes on, with such a late show time and people back to work. I think this will be the season that drops below 1M average. It would have been last season, but there was that creative new way of calculating the ratings, which inflated the numbers for everything (not just K+8). Even then, the boost only lasted for about 3 weeks, and the ratings dropped back down again.
Oh, yes, the next two months will be interesting to watch.
Jamesvader1194, you are always the first with ratings around here, so we'l be counting on you to keep us all informed.
**Interesting factoid: The highest-rated show from last season scored 1.289M viewers, almost the same number of viewers as the lowest-rated show from the season before (1.244M). Wouldn't it be fun if that pattern continued?
I'm having thoughts that Colin isn't in an institution at all. We assumed when he was "sent away" that meant real help in an institution for special needs kids. He could be living with Henry the Farmer, or with Jamie, or with that family in Montana who supposedly took care of the kids, or at Steve's house with Gina. Or who knows? Poor kid.
I'm having thoughts that Colin isn't in an institution at all. We assumed when he was "sent away" that meant real help in an institution for special needs kids. He could be living with Henry the Farmer, or with Jamie, or with that family in Montana who supposedly took care of the kids, or at Steve's house with Gina. Or who knows? Poor kid.
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Like a Duggar situation? Where the "treatment" they sent him away too was really just a family friend who set him to work on construction. Could be.
Why is it that time and time again Kate proves that we absolutely cannot trust a word out of her mouth about what's going on with her children?
Wow, TLC really promoted the heck out of Outdaughtered, and the premiere only bright in 1.075 million? Yikes.
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OUCH. But, good. TV will only ruin them. I really don't know what TLC is thinking. There's nothing interesting left about multiples. It's so old and recycled. Trying to sell "multiples" to audiences is about as hard as trying to sell your iPhone 3 kicking around in the junk drawer.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 179 Like a Duggar situation? Where the "treatment" they sent him away too was really just a family friend who set him to work on construction. Could be. _____
If that's the case, she used the term "special needs" very misleadingly then. If his special need is that he can't live with her anymore, that doesn't really fall into what we typically put in that category. And she knows it.
Trying to sell "multiples" to audiences is about as hard as trying to sell your iPhone 3 kicking around in the junk drawer. ******* More like my old flip phone! LOL
"that family in Montana who supposedly took care of the kids" That's Andrea's family, Carla's brother. I thought he might have been sent there also. I don't think TFW ever actually said he was in a school or other facility.
Well here's some good news.For those who've been following the whole Bullyville saga.Deric Lostutter(a Bullyville employee)pled guilty in federal court for computer hacking.For those who don't know who he is,apparently he was hired by bullyville to stalk and harass the Kate critics on twitter.He faces up to 6 years in prison. http://www.viaviewfiles.net/uncategorized/mcgibney-bullyville-employee-deric-lostutter-pleads-guilty-federal-court-computer-hacking/
---------------- I have no idea who those people are. Whenever I checked that site, there was a new person popping up on there. I gave up trying to figure out the whole convoluted mess and who is suing whom and the role each person plays in the BV saga. One would need more than just a crash course or the Spark Notes version.
This reminds me of that case in Minnesota where the mom hid the kids from the divorced husband for years at a friend of a friend of a friend's house. She just got sent to jail for it.
Admin, Those of us who didn't understand the angry white male Trump vote stand corrected. It is all so clear now. The white man has been silently suffering "anti-white discrimination" for years at their local Starbucks. Coffee is the source of the outrage.
Yes. One weirdo with mental health issues is clearly representative of the motivations of 60 million voters (an overwhelming number of whom were women.) That explains it all, you're right. Really, I have never seen people be this petulant over a loss like this. It's unprecedented. A week later you're still going.
@Layla (180) I think you have me mistaken for someone else because i was never the first person to find out about the ratings and viewers for Kate's episodes.Correct me if im wrong but i believe KIAT is the 1st person to find out about the ratings.
It just popped into my mind that maybe the facility that Collin is receiving treatment has perhaps contacted Jon. I would think that in order for Collin to receive proper treatment that his father would be a part of that treatment. Don't you think his therapists would very much want to talk to Jon about Collin's past and his future. I sure hope so.
Admin., IF and I say IF Jon did give up legal custody, would that affect the facility contacting Jon or not. I mean he is Collin's biological father and the therapists must know that Jon is has always been in several of his kids' lives. Also the therapist must know how active Jon was with all his kids before the divorce.
This gives me hope. Maybe Collin being away and getting help will bring Jon and Collin back together. That would be fantastic.
I have not been reading this blog lately but after reading the above page, I feel very depressed over the Gosselins. They are so F***ked up. It is so sad.
Kate is horrible in all areas. But Jon giving E! an interview makes me mad and sad. Jon is not helping anything or anybody by giving these interviews. I do question if he is paid for it. Sorry but I do. And him texting Kate on camera was so immature it is frightening. It is proof he is trying to annoy her and his kids when they grow up will see that also. He is just making everything much worse with his interviews and it is giving sick, sick Kate more "proof" that she can show her kids to turn them against their father.
And something is really wrong on his end. He has gone to the media over the past few years saying he was going to court to do this and that and nothing has ever happened.
When the divorce was finalized in 2009 he had legal custody. It is very obvious he does not now. I am of the belief that he gave away his legal custody and exchange of him paying no child support. Hence, Kate can do whatever she wants with her kids...like film the hell out of them, etc. Yes, I believe he truly loves all of his kids and I believe he though he gave away legal custody he had and has every intent of being an involved father. I think that is why Jon does not know where Collin is. I think it has to do with him not having legal custody. Otherwise after months of Collin being away I can't believe that Jon still does not know.
I'm still trying to get my mind around the fact that C's siblings don't know where he is. It must be especially hard for his 2 brothers. Those boys were womb mates and room mates their whole lives. But since boys are second class citizens in that house, I guess they just have to grin and bear it.
And Tuesday the TLC side show will be open for business again. Hurry, hurry, step right up and watch the G 8! Er, I mean, 7! Why only 7? Never mind, nothing to see here. Oh, look -- PUPPIES!
Leslie (195) Jon texted Kate while he was on TV to prove a point. He told the reporter that she refuses to answer his texts, and she said something back--if you text her now she won't answer? And so he did. I don't think it was immature. He was proving to her and to the world that Kate refuses to tell him where Collin is. It is also proof for the kids, if they see it, that their father is trying to communicate and be more involved, and their mother is refusing to give him information. Do you think she is going to admit any of this to them? Of course not.
I don't agree with him going on TV to talk about the kids, and I agree it needs to all be worked out in court. Nobody but Jon and Kate know for sure whether he gave up legal rights in exchange for no child support. That has been a rumor for a long time, but never confirmed on either side. But even if he does not have legal custody right now, he has every right to go back to court and fight for equal rights to his children. And hopefully this time he will.
Jon is acting like a wimp and is being very immature. But he is also a father, and the mother of his children is a vicious parental alienator and abuser. She appears to take delight in tormenting him. Yes, it is wrong for him to make all of this as public as he has, but put yourself in his shoes. He has to be very worried about his children's well-being and very frustrated. I hope he shuts his mouth, takes her to court, gets equal legal custody, and makes a positive difference in the kids' lives. Whether he does that is up to him.
Sorry, I think there was another person posting with your name last season who seemed to beat us to the punch every time. IIRC, it was the same name, but spelled"Jamezvader". Anyway, KIAT has always been on the ball with ratings news so we can count n her to keep us all informed!
Upon reading that Jinger Duggar's wedding only brought in a rating of 1.8 million I looked up the ratings for Jill and Jessa. Jill's wedding: 4.4 million and Jessa's was 4.3. So that is a huge decline.
I just watched the episode on On Demand. It was only an hour. I think the other two weddings were 2 hours.
Anna was the matron of honor. There was no sign of Josh. All the family was sitting together and he was not there or was being hidden from the cameras. The parents were pretty heavily featured.
Joy is now in a courtship. She is 19. She has known this guy for 15 years. Get this. This guy was in an episode of "World's Strictest Parents". I guess his parents are very much like the Duggars.
. . . Nobody but Jon and Kate know for sure whether he gave up legal rights in exchange for no child support. . . . _____
The timing of this, if it happened, is so suspect, though. Kate's attorney's proclamation that he was no longer paying CS happened in late April 2012. (Not coincidentally, this was 26 months after the divorce was final, so the story about him paying in excess of $20K/mth for 22 months rings true.) He claimed to be dead broke. She had been off TV by that point for nearly 8 months. And besides the pretendy Marathon Mom thing and Coupon Cabin, there didn't look to be any TV or even a semi-decent gig on the horizon for her. Was some network leading her on, saying, we're interested but not unless you have the kids free and clear?
By that time, Jon was not in any position to pay CS---or not at that level---but she was hardly working. Whatever she was doing was surely nowhere near as lucrative as her TLC heights had been. It just seems a strange time for her to say (if this is what happened), okay you don't need to pay anymore. And the quid pro quo for that was, you can't stand in my way anymore? I am now the sole "owner" of these kids, and I will do with them whatever I please? Again, it just seems odd. Lots and lots of parents cannot pay CS---do all of them lose their parental rights? And are children's lives and futures even able to be negotiated away like that? And would Jon have really signed off on it, thinking he had no choice?
This is the one big Gordian knot in this story that confuses everything that came after. I wonder if we'll ever know the answer.
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I much prefer Suranne Jones in Scott & Bailey and Anzac Girls.
She's a great actress.
I'm just thinking about Kate's note and I wonder how that kind of asinine behavior goes over when you have a child with severe emotional and behavioral problems.
Can you imagine going up to you parent's bedroom door and seeing a sign that basically says "go away"?.
I mean, the woman has no job! WTH?
@Tucker's Mom You know,looking at that comment Milo made about #Miss17,makes me wonder.Was Milo so excited about Kate's photo that she had to tell her daughter and show her how positive Kate is?What was so amazing about that photo that she had to tell her family?I doubt very much miss 17 would care really.But thats only if she has a daughter.
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Pew Research shows that Secy Clinton received over 70% of the Jewish vote and trump 24%. Swastikas have appeared in nearby communities along with trump + white power spray painted. And that's my only political comment!
I've been watching BBC's Doctor Foster. Did someone here recommend it? It's okay, not great, but worth watching.
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Just like when she flits about with Steve. As long as there's a nanny there to record everything the kids do, and every conversation they have with their Dad, Kate doesn't give a hoot.
Thanks, Deliverance and Tucker's, With only 5 episodes, Doctor Foster was a quick watch, not great but vaguely interesting. I do love all the recommendations we share here :)
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kateplusmy8 Thanks! Well done! Cooking magazines tend to tell the truth about foods and the various recipes they write about, so GREAT choice:) @anastasiaruby
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Too bad the same can't be said of her cookbook.
Well there must be some truth to the latest things being printed about her or she'd be screaming "can we sue" at the top of her lungs
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You mean like using stock photos of food and pawning them off as your cooking? Like copying recipes and tweaking them a little and telling people you made them up?
Like the flag cake?
Money munch?
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Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2m2 minutes ago
Next Tues. at 10pm on #TLC we celebrate 10yrs #LookingBack at #KatePlus8 Fun/beautiful memories! You survived Mom! @Kateplusmy8
I just noticed, by leaving out the comma after "survived," Milo is basically saying the kids survived having Kate as a mother! Surely not her intent. LOL! She almost never fails to put her foot in it somewhere.
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Really, the kids have survived Kate, not the other way around.
Well, Colin, I certainly hope he survives her with the help he's receiving.
He's been gone a looooooong time
OT recommendation- Netflix has comedian Kathy Madigan's concert, and it's hysterical in parts. She's sort of like the female Jeff Foxworthy.
She comes from a big Irish family- 7 kids! Somehow, her parents managed to raise them all without a silver platter and exploitation!
So the comment on IG I noted above has indeed been swiffered. And this was left as a reply to that comment, as if it somehow makes Kate look better?
jason_beth_robbins @7813bellaprincess first of all I have been a residential counselor at a similar facility. And the ONLY shaming should be on the parents who poorly parent and dump their kids and not be part of their behavior plan!! These facilities are here to help!! And as a mom and wife NO one who doesn't have multiples or many kids will understand the demands WE PLACE ON OURSELVES to be the "best" at what we are doing! And when we struggle or lack support as moms or wives our significant others often take the brunt of it and our frustration makes us feel all kinds of not good enough! Leave her alone!! No one knows what her life was like with the cameras off! And no one knows how Collin felt during all these life altering changes! They were little! Let's encourage each other not Jude each other! It takes a lot for a parent to reach out for help! It's literally saying "I can't do this" when your kids think you are wonder women!
As far as any of us know, her second sentence is pretty much EXACTLY what Kate did. And no one who isn't a mom of multiples can understand? WTF is she talking about? Almost NONE of the rest of what she says really applies to Kate. She had help up the wazoo, plenty of extended family, and she still managed to f--- up her kids. And then she launches into what their life was like when the cameras were off? So she subscribes to the notion that cameras running do not equal reality? Or that when the cameras went off (as in, off the air, "life altering"?), Kate turned into a lunatic and took it out on her kids? This is one very confused apologist for Kate. When you want a job done right, leave it to Milo, obviously.
@Sad but true How many times are the fans going to say no one knows what goes on with the G8's lives and yet insist that they know Kate is doing the right thing because they watch her show?
Jamezvader1194 (#11), good point. TFW said it herself -- their show is their life and their life is their show, what you see is what you get, and it's the realest reality show. So why should we doubt that what's on the screen is the whole story?
@Sad but true How many times are the fans going to say no one knows what goes on with the G8's lives
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It does get old. No one knows what goes on in anyone's life, heck sometimes your own life! What a dumb argument. We make all kinds of decisions and form all kinds of opinions all the time without really knowing what is happening behind closed doors. That's just called life.
Sooo, Kate only wants her kids to give her news if it's good news? How is that good parenting? If one of the kids is being bullied, if they are worried about grades, if they got in a disagreement with someone--they can't come to their mother to discuss it. I can't imagine cutting off my kids and their concerns. They need that support at home. I suppose Kate thinks that note on her door is a way of showing her fans her "positive attitude", but in reality it is just bad parenting
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Gosh, the sad thing about her is that so much of what she brags about as good parenting is just so, so bad.
You're right, one of the most important roles a parent takes on is to be that person a child can turn to when things are tough. It's not "positivity" to restrict your interactions to only positive ones, it's *avoidance.*
One day, things really are going to get tough for a kid. Most parents want to have built up that trust where their child calls them FIRST. Kate will get the call last, or even, not at all.
Wise words: In the face of failure the wise person takes time for self examination and self reflection, takes responsibility for their own short comings, and makes adjustments to improve their approach and tactics. The foolish person takes time reflecting on others, placing blame on others, and seeking to point out the flaws of others in hopes of making themselves feel better about the failure.
And no one knows how Collin felt during all these life altering changes! They were little
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We know plenty about Colin since his mother has made him film and work his entire life! They were little, yes, and needed privacy.
My God, as a professional, she's an idiot. Any mother who sell their child's privacy for money puts them at risk!
Just watched a couple of minutes of Outdaughtered.
Jon and Kate 2.0!
Mr. Busby scored a FREE PROFESSIONAL PHOTO SHOOT at the photographer's home. TLC's camera was there filming the moment he told Mrs. Busby that he had ShORED a FREE PHOTO SHOOT!
They were sitting on a couch, Mr. B on the left and Mrs. B on the right. Just like...hmmm...
He was sitting there with the laptop wide open and said, I SCORED A FREE PHOTO SHOOT! WOO-HOO!! They high 5, grasp their hands and KISS!
The babies were screaming their heads off and Mrs. B's mother was running an hour and a half late and I thought it was awful that Mr. Busby said that her mother had screwed them over while holding a newborn baby.
Now, Mr. B has to go to work because Mrs. B told him that they have bills and 2 bills together are one million dollars. Now they are showing her with no help. There has to be volunteers coming in and helping her behind the scenes.
Oh lord not this again.
http://radaronline.com/photos/jon-gosselin-hailey-glassman-relationship-new-show/
Gosh, the sad thing about her is that so much of what she brags about as good parenting is just so, so bad.
You're right, one of the most important roles a parent takes on is to be that person a child can turn to when things are tough. It's not "positivity" to restrict your interactions to only positive ones, it's *avoidance.*
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Kate views herself more as CEO than mom. The kids are her business and she runs her family as such.
Out to Lunch.
Do Not Disturb.
He was sitting there with the laptop wide open and said, I SCORED A FREE PHOTO SHOOT! WOO-HOO!! They high 5, grasp their hands and KISS!
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The Child-Exploiting Grifters 2.0!
I wonder if Jon and Hailey are cooking up a new show together. Kate must be gnashing her teeth.
@Sad but true Again i have to ask.If Jon used Hailey then why does she hang out with him?Same goes for Jon.I may not dislike Jon but i have to criticize why hes with the person who said that he'd used her for publicly?
Tucker's Mom said... 21
I wonder if Jon and Hailey are cooking up a new show together. Kate must be gnashing her teeth.
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If she's not gnashing, she should be. Her IG post has been up for well over 6 hours, and her 94.6K followers have delivered only just over 5.1K hearts. (Hey Kate! WTF is everybody?) And some 230+ comments, though I'm sure that number would be quite a bit more if it weren't for her power to delete. The indifference speaks louder than the fawning fangirls.
SO happy Justin Ross Harris was found guilty of killing his precious little boy, Cooper.
What concerned me was that the jury asked the judge for clarification of malice. I was afraid they were one or more wanting to vote not guilty.
He was found with malice and felony murder, which is life in prison without parole. Hopefully, the judge can overrule it to the Death Penalty because GA has the DP.
Horrible that you cared more about getting a text from a minor girl with a picture of her chest than your own son dying in the heat in his car seat that was too small in the car.
So Milo even deletes her IG comments. Two are gone from yesterday's photo, unless that's Kate's handiwork. What could be wrong with these? She left the Miss17 one.
miloandjack2016 My DAD used to say..."Every flower has to grow thru dirt..." 😋 But a little sunshine aka good news sure speeds the process! W/all the weight on your shoulders daily, I would imagine positives from your kids....& your #FurBabies keep you going? @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 Is that supposed to be #MomManagement ? 😋 @kateplusmy8. Totally OK either way...LOL. #TiredEndOfTheDayMom.
If Jon wants to do a show with Hailey, I hope it is a real cooking show. That would grill TFW backside.
So Milo even deletes her IG comments. Two are gone from yesterday's photo, unless that's Kate's handiwork. What could be wrong with these? She left the Miss17 one.
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That would be hilarious if Kate were deleting Milo. She can't really delete her on Twitter. I'm thinking Kate's loving this new platform. Way more control for the CEO.
Jamesvader1194 said... 22
@Sad but true Again i have to ask.If Jon used Hailey then why does she hang out with him?Same goes for Jon.I may not dislike Jon but i have to criticize why hes with the person who said that he'd used her for publicly?
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I have no idea what Jon is doing anymore, and it's fruitless to speculate. Unfortunately, all reality TV seemed to do for him was lead him into this "one more big score" philosophy of life, like he's rolling the dice in Vegas. He really can't help his kids if he doesn't somehow stabilize his life. And Hailey Glassman is the polar opposite of stable.
Jamesvader1194 said... 22
@Sad but true Again i have to ask.If Jon used Hailey then why does she hang out with him?Same goes for Jon.I may not dislike Jon but i have to criticize why hes with the person who said that he'd used her for publicly?
November 15, 2016 at 3:51 PM
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And who called the paps to tip them off about their lunching outdoors?
Isn't that an old picture of Jon and Hailey? Maybe from a year or two ago when he mentioned they were friends?
Jane said... 30
I thought the exact same thing, but the story says it was today, November 15. Which actually doesn't make any sense, because it rained for much of the day in NYC and was on the chilly side, and no restaurant owner would have had diners out on the sidewalk in those conditions. Certainly unlikely this time of year. I think you're right, this is some made-up shit.
That photo wasn't taken today in NYC. It was cold and rainy, poured at times, until about 5 when it partly cleared. There were no outside tables today.
Jon is going to be on Entertainment Tonight, tomorrow, Wed 11/16. I just saw the tail end of tonite's show where they showed a clip for the interview. The voice-over was 'is there a custody battle in the future for J&K?' and then Jon was saying as soon as the interview is over, he's calling his attorney.
We've heard all of that before, so who knows when the interview took place, what prompted it, and whether Jon will follow through. Plus, it's more than a little suspect that all of this is coming out a week before the show starts up again. I am still holding out hope that something comes of this and that Jon is successful in getting custody of at least some of his kids. IMO, it's the only chance some of them have to live a healthy adolescence and adulthood.
I knew Jon was going to pop back up when he news of Kate's accusations came out
Take a cold shower, Milo. You've been restrained so far, you didn't comment until a whole EIGHT (!) hours after she posted, and then you hashtag Kate's #HighHeels? (I guarantee you, Kate still wears the bigger cup size if that's what you're after.)
miloandjack2016 LOL. I see you wearing those #HighHeels! Otherwise #Cara is eye to eye w/you? Or barefooted the both of you is she taller? #TeenGrowthSpurt. @kateplusmy8. 😋
I don't think that Kate ever wanted to *be* the mom of 8; she just wanted to be known *as* the mom of eight.
Take a cold shower, Milo. You've been restrained so far, you didn't comment until a whole EIGHT (!) hours after she posted, and then you hashtag Kate's #HighHeels? (I guarantee you, Kate still wears the bigger cup size if that's what you're after.)
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lol!! Milo is udderly ecstatic that Kate's cup runneth over.
Why is she so obsessed with heels and Kate's feet? It sounds like Gladys has a foot fetish. She needs to come out of the closet with it (literally). She always seems to stick her foot in her mouth in one way or another.
The woman (or man) is a creeper.
Question for people with IG accounts: Can people "heart" (favorite) a post more than once? Can you favorite your own post (once or more than once)? I have this image of Kate behind her locked bedroom door, wine glass in one hand, thumb of the other glued to the IG heart button. Even so, she's only managed to get to 5.9K, which pretty much fits my guess that her real followers number b/t 6K and 8K. Because if you really did choose to follow her, why wouldn't you favorite this post?
Milo wasn't quite done, but it's still 45 minutes to #LitesOut, so it's possible she'll be back.
miloandjack2016 Awww...whats a Mom to do? They ALL are just growing so fast! Seems like yesterday mine were toddlers. I guess you are starting to #Feel that #WhereDidTheTimeGo too? @kateplusmy8 ❤
I'm starting to think that Milo's use of the hashtag is to highlight key words for Kate, sort of like your reading comprehension lesson in the 4th grade. Words like #Feel. Cloying doesn't begin to describe the somehow sweaty sensation her words convey.
I watched Outdaughtered today, and I have to agree--that family is out for all they can get. But they do seem a lot more loving towards their kids and toward each other than we ever saw with the Gs. Bottom line, though--they are exploiting their kids. They keep talking about the expense. Yeah, I get it, there are a lot of kids and kids are expensive. But that does not excuse exploiting them.
I saw the first (only) K+8 promo! It was really boring! They have had several for each of their other shows, but only one for K+8. It was Kate making stupid faces, the kids grumbling, and an announcement about 10 years. That was it. The other promos all have a "hook". Something dramatic a viewer might want to tune in to see. For K+8 there was nothing of the sort. A few faces and some griping. That's it. Could it be that TLC is over the Gosselin train wreck? The 10pm time slot and the lack of promotion make me wonder.
I do hope Jon takes Kate to court for custody. He still sees 4 of the kids, and for sure he and Hannah ( and perhaps some of the others) talk about the incident last year when Hannah didn't want to go home. It should be clear who the kids want to live with, how they feel about their custody/visitation arrangements, and how they feel about filming. He needs to be a voice for them, since nobody else is taking their thoughts and feelings into consideration. To their mother and to TLC they are commodities.
Kelly @KellyJeanturner 35m35 minutes ago
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 , Very excited to watch those little munchkins to grow up to sweet ,love able young adults!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@KellyJeanturner @Kateplusmy8 Yes indeed! She's done an amazing job so far. Bright, social good sense of humor kids! #LikeTheirMom :)
Uh, Collin and Mady represent 25% of her offspring, and I don't think "amazing" is how I'd describe her parenting of those two. If we count in Cara's sullenness and Hannah's apparent desire to escape, we're up to 50%. And the other four, frankly, we don't know very much about.
There is something so GROSS about Milo hashtagging high heels. Blech. Wtf.
There is something so GROSS about Milo hashtagging high heels. Blech. Wtf.
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I sometimes wonder what it's like to live in the little Utopian fantasy world that Milo has created for herself and for Kate. It's all about Kate. Always and forever. Is it lonely in there? Does she ever let anyone inside?
The psychology of it all is so intriguing. Sad, perhaps, but fascinating nonetheless.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 2h2 hours ago
@KellyJeanturner @Kateplusmy8 Yes indeed! She's done an amazing job so far. Bright, social good sense of humor kids! #LikeTheirMom :)
You just know Gladys was angling for a Mom and C back-to-back barefoot picture to show their height comparison. Help me, Rhonda.
Holy crap, the current Duggar "season" ended last night, and they're bringing them back in January? Another courtship---19-yo Joy (what, no one wants to marry the boys? Oh that's right, they have choices)---and no doubt another quickie wedding. I wonder if these are the only circumstances under which TLC can justify so much filming of Jim Bob and the wife, when they said last year they wouldn't be on as much. Jim Bob is the very definition of famewhore. Too bad he's taken, he and Kate would be a match made in heaven.
Sad but true (#44), wow, another Duggar courtship? Talk about teflon -- I never would've expected that family to survive Josh's scandals. The gravy train is not only still chugging along, but with so many other daughters in the "bullpen," I bet Jim Bob spends his days looking for potential suitors for his kids.
I still say TFW will happily exploit her kids' future relationships if it gets her more episodes on TLC. New puppies aren't going to get her attention for long (and, yes, you can take that both ways...).
I thought the exact same thing, but the story says it was today, November 15. Which actually doesn't make any sense, because it rained for much of the day in NYC and was on the chilly side, and no restaurant owner would have had diners out on the sidewalk in those conditions. Certainly unlikely this time of year. I think you're right, this is some made-up shit.
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There's about four weeks out of the year you can comfortably eat outside in New York when it's not too cold, windy, snowy, rainy, hot or humid. And November ain't part of that.
Weather in NYC was a high of 56 partly sunny on Nov 15, 2016, if you look it up online. For New Yorkers that's considered balmy weather and a beautiful day in November. To someone from a warmer region that's too cold to eat outside. Not for New York City really. Maybe for some, but not all. They were wearing jackets in the pics.
Layla said...39
The 10pm time slot and the lack of promotion make me wonder.
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Not to mention she'll be competing against the final hour of the DWTS finale, which always gets really good ratings.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 46
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New Yorker said... 48
Weather in NYC was a high of 56 partly sunny on Nov 15, 2016, if you look it up online.
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I did, and this is not accurate. Go here to see.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/usa/new-york/historic
I live 25 m north of the city. Yesterday's high temp was 55F, recorded at 12:50 a.m. It dropped the remainder of the day. And it rained, quite hard at times, from early morning until after noon. The photos in ROL were not taken yesterday.
New Yorker said... 48
Weather in NYC was a high of 56 partly sunny on Nov 15, 2016, if you look it up online. For New Yorkers that's considered balmy weather and a beautiful day in November. To someone from a warmer region that's too cold to eat outside. Not for New York City really. Maybe for some, but not all. They were wearing jackets in the pics.
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I live just outside of NYC, their weather is my weather, and have children who work there. Mon, Nov 14 was gorgeous. Eating outside was definitely possible. Tues, Nov 15 (yesterday) it poured and was cold and when speaking to my son last night, he mentioned how miserable it was getting to his office between the rain, which slows down everything, and the increased traffic and security around Trump Tower. Today, it's lovely. Blue skies, a bit cool but a gorgeous day.
I live just outside of NYC, their weather is my weather, and have children who work there. Mon, Nov 14 was gorgeous.
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A logical explanation is the pic was taken on Nov 14, article posted on Nov 15. It certainly wouldn't be the first time a rag mag has made a mistake.
@Layla The good thing,is that apart from the PEOPLE cover,i haven't herd of any media outlet inviting Kate for an interview about her upcoming show.The last time was when she went on the today show with Kathie lee which was a 3 minute interview about the date episode.It must piss her off that Jon's doing a ET interview since some of her fans seem upset by it.
I checked out the listings for TLC for next Tuesday, and Outdaughtered and LPBW are on there, but the 10pm time slot says "To Be Announced". So, if someone goes looking for K+8 at 10pm, it isn't there. There is no K+8 marathon leading up to the new season. Lack of promotion, late time slot, no listing, and showing Kate at her worst…is TLC getting sick of her again? Last time the show was canceled, the story circulated that she was impossible to work with. Maybe she has been back long enough for the "real Kate" to come out. I'm sure she was on her best behavior for awhile, but maybe she has become comfortable enough to start acting like..well..Kate again. From the footage we have seen, the "new, improved, mellow Kate" is long gone.
The other shows have something interesting to use as a hook for viewers. Duggar girls courting and having new babies, Amy and Matt's health and marital problems, chaos and babies for the Busbys, catfishing and marital drama for the Sister Wives. The Gosselins? Vacations, birthdays, looking back, and shopping. And it's not even "Plus 8" any more.
Jane said... 52
Yeah, I just looked up daily rainfall on another site, and almost a quarter inch fell in NYC yesterday. Since it didn't end until early afternoon, I have no clue what restaurant owner would have put out tables after 1 p.m. when the temp was 49F with overcast skies.
Jon's twitter:
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@selena_ayers Colleen, don't believe anything ever from Radar, ever ever!
miloandjack2016 LOL. I see you wearing those #HighHeels! Otherwise #Cara is eye to eye w/you? Or barefooted the both of you is she taller? #TeenGrowthSpurt. @kateplusmy8
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This is pretty sick. Milo would LOVE that picture of C and TFW barefooted and measuring theirselves against each other. I would be very, very concerned about these tweets getting more creepier by the tweet.
You are right. I wasn't actually in the city yesterday so I can't give first hand experience. But at 1pm it was 50 degrees and no longer raining.
I don't know when the pics were actually taken but they don't look like old pics.
Source: https://www.wunderground.com/history/airport/KNYC/2016/11/15/DailyHistory.html?req_city=New%20York&req_state=NY&req_statename=&reqdb.zip=10022&reqdb.magic=1&reqdb.wmo=99999
These are the pics of Jon and Haily from a year ago, when they met for lunch in October 2015.
http://radaronline.com/photos/jon-gosselin-hailey-glassman-photos-kate-gosselin-ex-former-flame-nyc/
I'm from New York. I've never known people to sit outside in the low 60s. Especially after a rain when everything has pools of water on it. We're a tough lot, but we're not interested in getting pneumonia either.
Maybe Jon met Hailey when he did the ET interview being aired tonight.
Do we know when he was in the city for that? (If it was in the city. I have no idea.)
I don't know what's up with that pic. But Jon's not from NY so maybe he'd sit out in cooler weather for a pap photo op. ???
Just to get some perspective, I looked up Jessa (Duggar) Seewald's IG. She has 1.8mm followers, and her posts average 60-70K hearts. She is in a whole 'nother league from Kate.
This ET interview with Jon could be explosive for K8. According to Fox News Jon will be going to court to get a judge to force her to tell him where Collin is because he doesn't know for sure where he is. He claims the other children don't know where their brother is either. Jon says K8 doesn't answer any of his texts.
Go Jon go!!!
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Tucker's Mom (#50), thanks for the shout out. I was actually trying to tap into my inner Auntie Ann, but she set the bar very high. I sure do miss her.
The photos in ROL were not taken yesterday.
November 16, 2016 at 7:50 AM
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My guess is that the photo was taken recently, and it makes me go "hmm". Haley and Jon being friends is great. They loved. They hated. They moved on and are apparently friends now.
I think those two are quite a lot alike, and were probably catching up and networking, if not scheming ;-)
Maybe they're plotting a new show- "Life After Kate; How We Survived The Hate".
Sherri said... 33
Jon is going to be on Entertainment Tonight, tomorrow, Wed 11/16. I just saw the tail end of tonite's show where they showed a clip for the interview. The voice-over was 'is there a custody battle in the future for J&K?' and then Jon was saying as soon as the interview is over, he's calling his attorney.
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I've heard this so many times before, I don't believe it. Jon has been saying he'll sue for custody at least twice a year since 2009, nothing's happened so far I'm not holding my breath.
update on jon
http://www.etonline.com/news/202903_jon_gosselin_doesn_t_know_where_son_collin_is_claims_kate_won_t_tell_him/
Tucker's Mom said... 67
The photos in ROL were not taken yesterday.
November 16, 2016 at 7:50 AM
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My guess is that the photo was taken recently, and it makes me go "hmm". Haley and Jon being friends is great. They loved. They hated. They moved on and are apparently friends now. . . .
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So ironic though. Remember when Hailey came out with texts on her cell or something supporting Kate when she filed her suit against Jon and Robert? I think she is one seriously unstable person, and what she's had done to her face really ruined a reasonably pretty girl.
In my opinion, Jon is pathetic. Don't go on TV and announce to the world that you are going to court to find out where Collin is. He should have had his ass in court long before this. When he supposedly went to Court to file the emergency for Hannah, he should have gone for emergency custody of Collin as well. I guess the Radar article didn't go over to well with Colleen. Jon said never believe anything on Radar, never, ever. So only believe certain articles, hmm? Pathetic
Layla (#55), I can't believe TLC doesn't even have TFW officially in the line up for Tuesday. She was TLC's darling for years. How the mighty have fallen.
TFW cannot legally keep the whereabouts of Colin away from his father, Jon! Unbelievable that Jon has to go to court to get a judge to PRY OPEN HER MOUTH AND SPIT IT OUT where their precious son is!
Does she not realize how bad the publicity will be when this happens? OTOH, will she go the extra mile and be a martyr and not say where he is, be in contempt of court and go to jail?
Because she does it all ALONE! She's a milker, I tell ya!
GO JON GO!!!
http://www.etonline.com/news/202903_jon_gosselin_doesn_t_know_where_son_collin_is_claims_kate_won_t_tell_him/
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I believe what Jon is saying. He's been consistent about not knowing what's happening w/the kids, that TFW doesn't answer his texts, that she keeps the kids in the dark about many details, etc. I can also believe that she hasn't told the whole truth about where Collin is and/or why. I hope it's true that he can get this in front of the judge and that something finally happens to change this narrative.
WTH? Law enforcement has told him otherwise??
"I have an idea where he is but I don't really know where he is," Jon tells ET's Jennifer Peros. The former "Jon & Kate Plus 8" star goes on to say that while his ex-wife, Kate Gosselin, "says that Collin is in a special school for special needs kids with behavioral problems," Jon claims he has been told otherwise by law enforcement officials.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/11/16/jon-gosselin-claims-ex-wife-kate-wont-tell-him-where-their-12-year-old-son-collin-is.html
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Thanks for the link. The write-up is short but interesting. Could she really not tell him where his own kid is? Would any court allow that? And not really a surprise if Collin's not actually in an institution for the reasons Kate said.
"In an exclusive sit-down with ET, Jon Gosselin says he's completely out of the loop when it comes to his 12-year-old son Collin's current whereabouts.
"I have an idea where he is but I don't really know where he is," Jon tells ET's Jennifer Peros. The former Jon & Kate Plus 8 star goes on to say that while his ex-wife, Kate Gosselin, "says that Collin is in a special school for special needs kids with behavioral problems,” Jon claims he has been told otherwise by law enforcement officials.
In August, Kate revealed that she enrolled Collin -- one of the divorced couple's eight children together -- in a program away from home to help him cope with "special needs." Collin is missing from the new Kate Plus Eight trailer that debuted late last month, and won't be appearing in the new season of the TLC reality show."
@Tucker's Mom (67) Wasn't Hailey's mom Lauren going to write a book about her daughter and Jon's relationship a year or 2 ago?I remember Lauren follows some of Kate's loyal fans like goody and milo.It was funny how goody said that if she wrote that book,it wouldn't be a "Book of lies" like Gosselin book.Even though Lauren changed her mind from what i herd,probably because she realize no one (except the loyal fans who hate jon) would care about a relationship that happen years ago.
So Milo didn't just post yesterday's platitude on Twitter, she posted it on her own IG, with this "dedication":
miloandjack2016 I post this to honor & celebrate @kateplusmy8 surviving and raising her 8 kids...
This journey has been documented and shared over the last 10yrs via #TLC.
TUES. Nov.22 at 10pm EST on #TLC begins the new series w/an
Anniversary Special celebrating those last 10yrs!
#HighFives to you... #MuchRespect. @kateplusmy8. ❤
She is one twisted sister.
Layla said... 55
I checked out the listings for TLC for next Tuesday, and Outdaughtered and LPBW are on there, but the 10pm time slot says "To Be Announced". So, if someone goes looking for K+8 at 10pm, it isn't there. There is no K+8 marathon leading up to the new season. Lack of promotion, late time slot, no listing, and showing Kate at her worst…is TLC getting sick of her again?
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Very interesting that they wouldn't have Kate listed. I have this feeling that TLC is done with regular filming again. I don't know why. Maybe it's because she's been off the air for such a long time, and Colin, plus the child visitation disaster.
I'm sure the show will have die-hard fans, but as far as gaining new eyeballs? I don't see that ever happening.
The other shows have something interesting to use as a hook for viewers. Duggar girls courting and having new babies, Amy and Matt's health and marital problems,
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Aren't they divorced YET?
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Anonymous said... 65
This ET interview with Jon could be explosive for K8. According to Fox News Jon will be going to court to get a judge to force her to tell him where Collin is because he doesn't know for sure where he is. He claims the other children don't know where their brother is either. Jon says K8 doesn't answer any of his texts.
Go Jon go!!!
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The plot thickens ;-)
Now, I really don't get how Kate can keep the whereabouts of Colin from Jon. This is stranger than fiction!
FlimsyFlamsy said... 66
Tucker's Mom (#50), thanks for the shout out. I was actually trying to tap into my inner Auntie Ann, but she set the bar very high. I sure do miss her.
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Auntie would have kept us laughing through this election! I hope she's ok.
Hey, I haven't been around here in while. I read a new interview with Jon that stated he didn't know where Colin was and hadn't seen him in over a year. How is this legally possible? He has joint custody. Why haven't the courts intervened?
Michelle
"I mean, I ask but she doesn't tell me," he says about Collin's current whereabouts. "She doesn't answer any of my texts."
Jon claims that Collin's brothers and sisters are also not in touch with him, and also have "no idea" where Collin is. "They know that their mom told them that he has behavioral issues," he says.
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This is explosive. How can TLC run Kate's show when, if this is true, she is literally hiding Colin somewhere, away from his father and away from his siblings.
Just the fact that Jon doubts he's at a special school is very upsetting.
It seems as though he's been in touch with law enforcement, so I guess they're in the loop. I still don't know why Jon can't compel Kate to produce his son!
Jon is going to be on Entertainment Tonight, tomorrow, Wed 11/16. I just saw the tail end of tonite's show where they showed a clip for the interview. The voice-over was 'is there a custody battle in the future for J&K?' and then Jon was saying as soon as the interview is over, he's calling his attorney.
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I've been generally supportive of Jon but this is really getting tedious. Every interview it's I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, followed by some shocking revelation like he doesn't see three of the kids or has no idea where his kids are--things that I KNOW should never happen if you would just get yourself down to family law court and get some simple orders on the book that every other father has. At this point, just do it, and leave the public out of it. There really is no benefit to these public interviews.
The ET interview gives me a lot of concern. Jon says he doesn't know where Colin is. Kate has told him and the kids that he is in a special school, but law enforcement officials have told him otherwise.
I hope I'm wrong, but the implication is Colin is either in the juvenile court system or has been placed in a mental hospital. Either all the kids are lying to Jon or something more serious has happened than just Kate getting rid of Colin to film.
In my opinion, Jon is pathetic. Don't go on TV and announce to the world that you are going to court to find out where Collin is. He should have had his ass in court long before this.
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I have to agree with this. Even in our very clogged family law courts here, it should only take a couple weeks to get a simple emergency order that would order the mother to disclose the location of her son to the father. Done.
What's even faster, is you call your attorney and explain mom won't disclose this. They then call mom's attorney, who will then call their client and say look do you want me to bill you for this 10 minute call or bill you for six hours to do a walk-on motion and appear in court to resolve this? You decide. Nine times out of ten that solves it, the attorneys exchange the requested information and dad's attorney passes it on to dad. Done.
Jon, seriously. Seriously. I know she's a parental alienator, and they are difficult for judges to handle. But they're not impossible and this is not something that cannot be solved just because it's Kate.
WTH? Law enforcement has told him otherwise??
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What in the world? Well Jesus, why don't you ask law enforcement where he is. Since they seem to know. Good grief, Jon. You've lost me.
I believe what Jon is saying. He's been consistent about not knowing what's happening w/the kids, that TFW doesn't answer his texts, that she keeps the kids in the dark about many details, etc. I can also believe that she hasn't told the whole truth about where Collin is and/or why
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Another very easy problem to solve. There are several free communication tools courts use where you can only text/email the other parent directly, you can't delete the texts, and the courts can log in and view what was said if any dispute arise.
Therefore if I email dad through the app and say I've made our child available for your visit this Saturday, and he emails me back and says sorry I'm cancelling, or better yet ignores me, he can't turn around and claim he said anything else because I have proof.
They can see everything Kate says including whether she ignored him. Get on those f-ing apps and protect yourself. Courts use them all the time to prevent such garbage. Help yourself.
Jon, seriously. Seriously. I know she's a parental alienator, and they are difficult for judges to handle. But they're not impossible and this is not something that cannot be solved just because it's Kate.
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We get frustrated when Kate is interviewed and no one calls out her b.s. This is the same thing. It makes zero sense that Jon has not seen his son, nor know where in the hell he is, UNLESS there's something we don't know that restricts him from availing himself of the modalities that Admin has discussed over and over again.
Jon's been around the block 5000x with Kate. He's got to know his options by now.
If Kate truly is hiding Colin from Jon, then she is even worse than I thought. I just don't know how any one woman/mother can hold this power.
Further, what bothers me a whole lot is Jon claiming that the other kids don't see Colin or even know where he is. At 12-years old, how can you not be mature enough to demand answers.
That's what a 6-year old would do.
I don't know. If Kate's done everything Jon claims, I don't know how she still has custody, or hasn't been arrested.
From the ET article:
Jon claims that Collin's brothers and sisters are also not in touch with him, and also have "no idea" where Collin is. "They know that their mom told them that he has behavioral issues," he says.
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If true, and I tend to believe it is because kids have big mouths and would spill the beans to Jon, how very sad for all of them not to know where TFW has sent the brother that they love. She really has no heart to be able to go on with filming. Well Jon, it's time to shit or get off the pot. This situation is not any good for any of them.
I watched the ET trailer of Jon and Jon said, I think I know where he is at...Well, if you think you know where he is at, WHY didn't you drive there and see if you could get in to talk to someone in charge?
If they wouldn't let you in, get an attorney like Admin said, to call TFW's attorney and get her to SPIT IT OUT where Colin is.
You right, Admin, I SMH at WHY Jon hasn't called the police when all 8 kids didn't come down to the gate the first visitation and nipped this in the bud in the beginning. If she continued, the judge could order her in contempt of court and she would have to produce the kids at visitation.
WHY has this dragged on for 2 years?
I think it is wonderful that they have the apps to check on these texts/emails. The judges realize real quick who the parental alienators are and who are not.
Jon needs to put on his big boy pants and take action. Kate behaves the way she does (with regards to visitation/custody) because she can. He has always let her get away with her antics. Yes, we know it's expensive to fight custody battles, and she has money to fight as much as she wants, but a some point it has to become obvious that she is abusing the system and the law can step in and make things happen--and she can't buy her way out once that happens.
She has no respect for him because he lets her act this way. It's a sign of weakness in her mind, and she has nothing but contempt for him because of it. Get up and do something, Jon! Shaming her doesn't work. She loves the attention and she loves playing martyr and calling him a liar. And he has let her have her way every time.
Instead of making her look like an alienator, it makes him look like a weakling.
DAG GUM, THIS IS UPSETTING!
The kids look so worn out, frazzled, stressed, emotionally wiped out with their mother on the trailer.
TFW screaming about the waffles? HAND ME THE WAFFLES! She is insane and not taking her meds!
I hope Jon can convince the judge to get a psych evaluation on TFW when they go to court when IF it is found out she was hiding him from Jon.
Tucker's, your right. I can't believe it either that she hasn't been arrested for doing what she does to those kids.
TLC has got to be kidding showing Kate Plus 8.
I hope these shows that are showing are going to add many ZERO'S to the 8 checks that are going to the kids after they sue their mother, Steve Neild and TLC/Discovery Channel/Circle 8 Productions.
Like I said before, TLC needs to set up a Gosselin SuperFund to pay these kids for robbing their childhood and enabling their mentally ill mother to film to make them millions upon millions of dollars. TLC has made at least 500 million dollars off these kids backs.
You would of thought she would of been smart enough to tell TLC that they would film if they bought the house out right and put it in Jon and Kate's name. This was when they had the highest ratings and TLC was making a killing.
They put permanent tv lights in the house. That would of been a major clue to have it in the contract that TLC had to pay the note off to film.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 72
Layla (#55), I can't believe TLC doesn't even have TFW officially in the line up for Tuesday.
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Her show is up on their website now, sandwiched between episodes of Outdaughtered. It repeats at 12 a.m.
Re Collin, I gotta wonder if TLC has been fully apprised of what is going on there. If they haven't, that's a reason to drop her in a NY minute. It's hard to imagine they're just pretending this isn't an issue. I think Kate has either lied to them or left them out of the info loop altogether.
So Gladys admits, "This journey has been documented and shared over the last 10
years via TLC." Sure doesn't sound like
"small glimpses" to me.
how very sad for all of them not to know where TFW has sent the brother that they love.
Guess that means they're not going to visit Collin...
Layla said... 55
I checked out the listings for TLC for next Tuesday
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I checked a couple days ago and double checked today. It did and does show up on the TLC.com tv schedule at 10pm est.
If true, and I tend to believe it is because kids have big mouths and would spill the beans to Jon
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Unfortunately, I can believe that Kate would keep Colin's whereabouts from his siblings, lest they tell Jon. She is that controlling.
A woman who listens in on every phone call they have with their dad would do this.
So, just before Kate's new season is about to air, Jon floats it out there that she is keeping him from Colin, and any word on Colin. Totally shutting Jon out.
TLC has to be having a fit over this.
This is not just a little controversy. This is a major, huge allegation and if true, it shows extreme abuse and malice on Kate's part.
I honestly don't get it.
The Gosselin situation went from sad, to sadder, to toxic. I've seen happier stories when one parent is an addict or in jail.
I don't like or agree with Kate but Jon allowed her to have full legal custody so he wouldn't have to pay child support. That was his undoing, he should have gone into court and request the huge amount of monthly child support be dropped in accordance with his earning. Instead I believe he took the easy way out and gave her legal custody so he could do what he wanted and not worry about bringing in enough to pay support. He has no legal saying in what she does or doesn't do with their kids.
Maybe it's time for Jon to have his lawyers go after TLC for enabling TFW by their continued filming and the harm that it has caused Collin and probably other kids. I'm sure the crew has seen things that TLC doesn't want talked about while under oath. Maybe that type of unwanted publicity will get their attention. It's time to hit them where it hurts and "hit 'em with the hein"!
Suzieq said... 103
I don't like or agree with Kate but Jon allowed her to have full legal custody so he wouldn't have to pay child support. That was his undoing,
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Mind-boggling lapse in judgement. I don't know what the deal was between Jon and Kate, or how long Jon was forking over 20K a month to Kate, but whatever the circumstances, I'd fight like hell to keep legal custody and not have decisions out of my control.
NJGal51 said... 104
Maybe it's time for Jon to have his lawyers go after TLC for enabling TFW by their continued filming and the harm that it has caused Collin and probably other kids. I'm sure the crew has seen things that TLC doesn't want talked about while under oath. Maybe that type of unwanted publicity will get their attention. It's time to hit them where it hurts and "hit 'em with the hein"!
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Interesting thought. I wonder if Jon could sue TLC for exploiting his son with disabilities.
Tucker's Mom said... 105
Suzieq said... 103
I don't like or agree with Kate but Jon allowed her to have full legal custody so he wouldn't have to pay child support. That was his undoing,
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Mind-boggling lapse in judgement. I don't know what the deal was between Jon and Kate, or how long Jon was forking over 20K a month to Kate, but whatever the circumstances, I'd fight like hell to keep legal custody and not have decisions out of my control.
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I'm sure it somewhere in the archives. IIRC, he was paying in excess of $20K for something like 22 months after the divorce was finalized. It was in April 2012 that we suddenly learned, from Kate's attorney, that he had been "relieved of his CS by Kate." Of course, as Admin pointed out, this made no sense because she's not allowed to reduce or reject CS on behalf of her kids. At that time, a quid pro quo (giving her full legal custody with Jon having visitation) was wildly speculated about, but never confirmed by Jon or Kate or anyone else who would have had access to the paperwork. At least that's how I remember it.
I wonder if Jon will be talking about when Hannah didn't want to go home, and Kate's allegations.
It's especially troubling that (according to Jon) she will not let the children visit with him if they haven't completed their chores. Knowing what we know about her, I can see her finding fault with how chores were done and, if not to her satisfaction, she keeps them from visiting their father.
If, as Jon says, "law enforcement officials" have told him "otherwise" (that Collin is not in a school for children with special needs) that suggests he could be in a detention facility. I truly hope that is not the case and in this matter she is being truthful; that he is in a place for children with special needs and is receiving the attention, therapy and guidance he deserves.
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Interesting thought. I wonder if Jon could sue TLC for exploiting his son with disabilities.
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Anyone can sue anyone for anything. If it would make it to court it would be very interesting indeed. I would think that Jon and his attorney would have to prove that Collin has disabilities and that TLC had full knowledge of it, and that the filming exploited him and contributed to the problems he now has. Or, would the fault fall entirely on Kate's shoulders for knowing it, but insisting on filming him regardless, thus absolving TLC of any guilt in this whole thing?
" I don't like or agree with Kate but Jon allowed her to have full legal custody so he wouldn't have to pay child support."
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Nope. That's not true.
And Doofus just merrily babbles on.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 8m8 minutes ago
@poorbabi @Kateplusmy8 @luvk8andher8 Well...it's about time they start telling people about it!! Looking forward to seeing them all again..
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 7m7 minutes ago
@kyle2688 @Kateplusmy8 Yep...been watching them grow up over the yrs. I was there when the 1st special aired!!
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 7m7 minutes ago
@LEIGHSHAHAN1 @Kateplusmy8 It's been a long wait for sure....everyone is excited to see them back again! :)
@Sad but true (111) For a second when Milo said she was there when it 1st air,i thought she meant she was physically there when they did the 1st special.Would be creepy if she really meant that.
From the interview -- "Collin has special needs," Kate said. "[There's] a fairly fluid diagnosis of what those needs are, but he needs to learn certain strategies to help him deal with things. This has been a struggle we've had for a very long time, and it's one I've dealt with on my own."
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Well, hell's bells, Kate. Good lord in heaven. Whose fault is that? Jon is not dead. Tell him what was and is going on with Collin. Let him know where his son is. You didn't have to deal with it all alone.
Wait. I get it. It's the martyr thing for Kate. Poor Kate. All alone.
She needs a full psych evaluation before she screws up another child's life, or is it too late for that? She makes me sick.
I bet Jon's TV appearance and pictures with Hayley were to make some extra cash to use when taking Kate to court. He's a normal working person, and it has to be difficult to come up with the cash to fight in court. Kate uses the media to make money, and so can he.
I went bcd and looked, and K+8 is now on the listings for TLC. It was not there when I looked yesterday--I wonder why. One thing for sure--she's not getting her usual K+8 marathon before the premiere. That's a first.
...that suggests he could be in a detention facility...
That's quite a leap bm. I'd think medical facility before juvie.
She needs a full psych evaluation before she screws up another child's life, or is it too late for that? She makes me sick.
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Milo and Kate's enablers also make me sick. They all need mental health evaluations. Something is serious wrong with the whole bunch of them, gloating over a new series coming up, anxious to see the kids. What in heaven's name is wrong with them? In what alternate universe do they live where it's fine and dandy to exploit kids, and drool over Kate and her incredible parenting?
All This Is That said... 113
. . . She needs a full psych evaluation before she screws up another child's life, or is it too late for that? She makes me sick.
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I think it's far too late for Mady. She already is who she's going to be, barring a massive intervention by professionals. So, as I noted above, 25% of the children are quite obviously in pretty serious distress. One other has tried (and failed) to get out of Kate's house and live with her father. I don't think anyone should be "celebrating" 10 years of Kate doing anything.
Interesting notion that Jon could perhaps sue TLC on behalf of Collin. I'm assuming nothing prevents that UNLESS he signed a release/waiver for their current employment. If he did, there's a lot more to this story that we don't know.
This has nothing to do with legal custody. You are still entitled to visitation with children and to know where your children are even without legal custody. But, I think there is something to be said that it may have emboldened Kate to think she can run the show.
I think Jon just gave her that in the hopes that it would help reduce the conflict between them, because he was fine with her educational decisions, fine with the school she picked, etc. Requiring him to always sign off on things he's fine with anyway and have constant interactions with him probably only antagonizes her. Hindsight is 20-20.
There is a scenario where a parent might not know where a child is. If a child is in a confidential placement because it's some kind of foster care placement and they don't disclose the physical address to the parents in order to protect all the children from unsafe, angry parents showing up at the location. Visits take place in a neutral location. I've always floated that idea as a possibility. Though, if that were the case, Jon would have been well informed of the case, given proper notice of it by the county, given court dates, a right to contest what the county wants to do with the child, and a visitation schedule. Once again, we're left with huge missing pieces of the puzzle.
Milo said, "Well…its about time they started telling people about it" and "It's been a long wait for sure". She realizes that TLC has not been promoting K+8 like they do their other shows, and it's been an abnormally long time between seasons. She loves to crow about the show and say, "Kate's back!", but she knows there's something going on.
Sherry Baby (#117), yes, Gladys and the other 5 fans sure are an odd lot. Waiting with breathless anticipation to watch someone else's kids go on vacations and play with puppies. And completely ignoring the fact that one of those children, whom they claim to care so much about watching grow up, was sent away from home.
Well, looking ahead to Monday and the likely round of tab show appearances, I wonder how you go about instructing your interviewers that you must ignore TWO elephants in the room. I suppose we'll be treated to some carefully rehearsed BS about Collin's "condition," and Jon will be completely ignored. How nice it would be if just no one was willing to let her on set unless she agreed to answer some real questions. But it won't happen.
ET put a fuller interview online.
http://www.etonline.com/news/203026_jon_gosselin_fears_his_eight_children_lives_are_just_chores_at_home_with_ex_kate_gosselin/
"I think it's about money," Jon says. "I think it's about filming and money -- that if I get any right, I'm not going to sign for my kids to film, and I think that's her fear. Because then she'll have no income. It's like taking your job away."
This comment seems to suggest that he DOESN'T have any "rights" when it comes to having a say in what his kids do. But I don't think that would necessarily stop him from suing TLC on Collin's behalf. Kate told the story of "everything's great with ALL the kids" for years, until suddenly that got switched up in 2014 when she told everyone Collin was leaving LCDS. And now, less than 2 years later, he has "issues" that require him living outside of his home. There's no way, if he in fact has "issues," that TLC wasn't aware of them. And conversely, there's no way if he doesn't really have any issues besides Kate that they're not aware of that, either. Either way, they've been actively doing something that was very likely not in the best interests of this child, and they KNEW it.
I'd certainly look at this a lot more closely if these were my kids. For one thing, I'd subpoena copies of all raw footage from Figure 8.
In California news, California has come down hard again on courts allowing a child to decide whether they will visit. The case is In re Korbin Z. and it came out last month.
The Court of Appeal sounds annoyed. They went through the laundry list of cases that say again and again that visitation is up to the JUDGE, not the child: “In no case may a child be allowed to control whether visitation occurs.”
In no case.
Admin, I'm confused as to why my whole comment wasn't posted, and no rules were broken.
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Hm, I see your comment there, and it does seem to end abruptly. I'm confused too. I'm not able to delete portions of comments, I can only post the entire thing or post none of it at all.
Are you sure it wasn't somehow accidentally deleted on your end? Some kind of copy/paste malfunction?
"I think it's about money," Jon says. "I think it's about filming and money -- that if I get any right, I'm not going to sign for my kids to film, and I think that's her fear. Because then she'll have no income. It's like taking your job away."
This comment seems to suggest that he DOESN'T have any "rights" when it comes to having a say in what his kids do
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I don't think Jon has any say in filming, or Kate taking the kids out of school or out of state or even the country.
It's like the days of kids working the fields. That came first and schools worked around it.
Well, lots of luck to Jon if he is trying. I have little to no faith that he can stop Kate from filming her kids, or her remaining kids.
Either way, they've been actively doing something that was very likely not in the best interests of this child, and they KNEW it.
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My guess is that Jon would have to prove a lot of things to prove harm to his children. Prior knowledge? Malice of forethought? Coercion? Collusion?
I have no doubt that many people knew what was going on in that house, including the problems some of the kids were having for a long time now.
TLC and Kate slapped lipstick on the kids' expulsion, and they knew it. TLC and Kate knew Colin was failing to thrive in school to the point that he had to leave, and now, be placed in an institution.
All the while, things were covered up and then when finally made public, done so in the usual fashion of carefully-orchestrated PR spin.
All so Kate and TLC can continue to make money off the kids.
Sad but true said...123
I'd certainly look at this a lot more closely if these were my kids. For one thing, I'd subpoena copies of all raw footage from Figure 8.
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Absolutely! Yes, subpoena away, Jon! Wish Tuma was his attorney! Sue their freaking a's off!
Reading the 2nd article was very upsetting. To even think that precious child was possibly not send to a loving inpatient care facility and doing great to possibly a juvenile facility where they don't give a damn about him and treat him bad.
The latter I believe because this is how she rolls. The chore book is military style. I GASPED when Jon said that CHORES supersede every thing. That evil ***** refuses to hire people to do these things so her kids can have a normal childhood outside of filming!
CHORES supercede homework, and if you don't get your CHORES done, you can't go see Dad.
Even Kendra CRIED when she read the manual and saw how tough those kids had it. I hope Jon would consider calling Kendra to the stand to testify for the kids because she was a witness to the manual and how hard the kids had to work and they were not having any normal basic fun because of work.
Wanna bet Steve's sons don't have a chore manual like that? How can Steve sleep at night knowing all what we know and even what we don't know?
Jon sue for robbing their childhoods, not stopping filming of a child who has a crisis, raw footage of filming, Steve Neild, Figure 8, TLC, Discovery, Kate Gosselin.
Ask for a psych/eval on TFW.
Kate Gosselin
Steve Neild
TLC
Discovery
Figure 8 Productions
Tucker's Mom (#127), I think one of the sorriest moments of this decades-long saga was when TFW actually PROFITED from her son leaving home by doing a People photo shoot and interview. She is a horrible mother.
I keep thinking back to the remark that she made about Camp Barnabas, when she said that parents of special needs kids get a break when they send them to camp for a week. I don't think Kate ever thought she'd have a special needs child. Sometimes remarks like that come back to haunt us.
Reading the 2nd article was very upsetting. To even think that precious child was possibly not send to a loving inpatient care facility and doing great to possibly a juvenile facility where they don't give a damn about him and treat him bad.
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What second article? I haven't read all of the posts/articles about Jon and Collin, but where was it reported that Collin was sent to a juvenile facility rather than a treatment facility for kids with special needs?
I swear to God I am about at the point to open a
"Go Fund Me" account for Jon for his legal fees to free these children
Blowing (#130), and if TFW had tried to co-parent with her children's father, this overwhelming, I'm-all-alone issue she was struggling with would have been more manageable.
But TFW's solution was to continue to keep Jon out of his children's lives, so she could keep playing her tiny struggling-single-mom violin, and remove C from the house. Gotta love how she claimed he was taking her attention away from the other 7 kids, when that sign on her door clearly shows that household is still all about her. Always has been, always will be.
If I didn't know better, almost sounds like Colin is a missing person. I guess I watch and read too many crime novels.
WTH with Jon? Your kid is literally missing and your crazy ex-wife is the only person who says he's in a program somewhere. And his siblings don't know where he is either, which means they haven't seen him in months.
File a freakin' missing persons report and have law enforcement validate the child's welfare by having the police physically locate the child. Is Jon saying law enforcement did not report to him the physical location of Colin? Ridiculous. If you are concerned enough to go to law enforcement about your child's well-being, certainly you would be informed where the child is. None of this makes sense. Why would they not tell him? Is there some court order against him?
I listened to Jon's ET interview. He said "law enforcement has NOT CONFIRMED" Kate's story where Collin is. Now that I heard his interview, it sounds like he or his attorney have contacted law enforcement to find Collin.
Admin says.....
I've been generally supportive of Jon but this is really getting tedious. Every interview it's I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, followed by some shocking revelation like he doesn't see three of the kids or has no idea where his kids are--things that I KNOW should never happen if you would just get yourself down to family law court and get some simple orders on the book that every other father has. At this point, just do it, and leave the public out of it. There really is no benefit to these public interviews.
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I agree with every part of this statement.
I wonder if Jon knows he can't afford to support even half of his children full time, so that's why he's never gone for more custody than he has now. I'm assuming more custody of the kind he wants comes with more financial responsibility. Unless TFW make so much more money that they wouldn't make him come up with any additional support payments.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 133
Blowing (#130), and if TFW had tried to co-parent with her children's father, this overwhelming, I'm-all-alone issue she was struggling with would have been more manageable.
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This issue NEVER existed. It is part of the persona she/TLC have developed to get people to empathize with her and thus make her more palatable to the average working mom. If the extent of her paid help---and time away from her kids---was known, no one would ever feel a drop of sympathy for her. She is quite literally made of lies.
Upstater said... 136
I wonder if Jon knows he can't afford to support even half of his children full time, so that's why he's never gone for more custody than he has now. I'm assuming more custody of the kind he wants comes with more financial responsibility. Unless TFW make so much more money that they wouldn't make him come up with any additional support payments.
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You say that as if Kate supports the children now. Their schooling and expenses are paid by their trust funds. If Kate can use that money to raise them then Jon can too.
The reason Jon doesn't have to pay child support is because Kate isn't paying to support the children either. They support themselves.
However, I do think that Jon would prefer to use his own money to support the children, if he was able to.
PA Dutch Mom said... 110
" I don't like or agree with Kate but Jon allowed her to have full legal custody so he wouldn't have to pay child support."
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Thanks PA Dutch Mom.
Ugh. I'm so tired of people saying Jon allows his children to be filmed in exchange for not paying child support. That was an assumption made because Jon no longer had to pay child support, and people just keep repeating it like it's true.
In my comment yesterday (@109) I mentioned 'detention facility' because Jon said that 'law enforcement officials' told him Collin is not in a school for children with special needs. I suggested he might be in a juvenile facility for young offenders based on police apparently knowing exactly where he is. Although I can't imagine why Jon, as his father, would not be aware of the circumstances.
It really is getting tiresome listening to Jon give these sporadic interviews about what he is going to do - when nothing changes. For your children's sake man get yourself a lawyer who will help you rescue your children from this deeply disturbed woman and the Corporation behind her who are benefiting from their continued exploitation.
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FlimsyFlamsy (121) When have any of Kate's fans shown they care about the kids?These were the same fans who were cheering when Mady and Cara announce the kind of toxic relationship they have with their father.Not one of them have ever tweeted to Kate telling her to help heal the relationship between her daughters and their father.They also didn't care when Kate put her kids on a boat a second time knowing they get seasick just to film another episode.I could go on with more examples but there are far to many.
As a parent, how can you SLEEP at night not knowing where your child is?? What they are doing? How they are feeling? They are BOTH so F****d I am at a loss for words.
Jon says the kids don't know where Collin is. Sadly, that means they haven't seen him since she shipped him off. If they have visited, they would know the name of the facility and how far from home it is. That would enable Jon to find Collin. It looks like Kate shipped him off when he became too much of a burden and never looked back.
FlimsyFlamsy (129)
Not only did Kate do the People article to make money off Collin's situation, she also made that post (not sure if it was instagram or twitter) saying the show was "postponed, you'll soon see why!" Like it's big, exciting news. She loves to say, "You'll have to watch and see!" in interviews, and she used this tragic situation as her "bait". That's just disgusting. There are no lengths to which this woman will not go in order to squeeze every dime she can out of her kids. They are well aware of their responsibility to bring in money to support their lifestyle. Remember when the show was cancelled before, she said the first thing they asked was if they would be able to stay in their house and their school. The tups were 7 at the time. Sick.
Granny53 said... 132
I swear to God I am about at the point to open a
"Go Fund Me" account for Jon for his legal fees to free these children
November 17, 2016 at 6:35 AM
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You've got a heart of gold, and God bless it!
However, Jon's an almost 40-year old man who has made some poor decisions, and he and he alone needs to deal with this mess.
I hope someone like Tuma can bring powerful legal resources to bear, and see if indeed there is something that can be done to ensure Jon sees ALL of his children on a regular basis.
I can't get passed Jon constantly saying that he "gets who he gets".
That's smelling like 3-day old fish at this point.
If Kate needs to be compelled by a court to tell Jon where Colin is, she's one really sick cookie.
I've just never, ever seen or heard of anything like this.
Heather @Travelin_Family 15h15 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 my kiddos are looking forward to watching this season.
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Aw, sweet. I hope ALL of your kiddos can watch MOST of Kate's kiddos.
I have no issue with kids doing chores, but homework takes priority. The fact that chores must be completed before visiting dad is appalling. Between the kids doing the work and her hired help, Kate is a lazy Queen Bee in that household. She hasn't changed a bit.
Remember the puppy ochore chart...all written in childish scrawl with times from morning to night. And Mady's bossy attitude leads me to believe she has plenty of power over her younger siblings. Not a recipe for close adult sibling relationships.
I watched the preview clip and it appears Kate does not only "de-age" but also is regressing in maturity. She is a foolish, foolish adult and why TLC believes this show has any entertainment value is puzzling. I hope those fans who always tune in get turned off by watching an adult behave like a 13 year old. Very unpleasant. It also speaks to her mental state. All Jon needs to do is have the judge watch the show. She is unfit to parent. I mean her own daughter says on national TV her mother is "crazy". In my opinion it's true, and none of the kids have respect for Kate or they would not air their grievances against their mother's behavior to the camera. What a screwed up family.
I've been thinking about the twins' reaction to their father speaking to the press again. I'll bet they will be suffering from mean spirited remarks from schoolmates today. Jon didn't score any marks with them by giving that interview.
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File a freakin' missing persons report and have law enforcement validate the child's welfare by having the police physically locate the child.
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If his mother knows where Collin is, then the child isn't missing. No law enforcement agency would take any such report seriously. All law enforcement would need to do is make a phone call to the number she provides. That's about as far as it would go.
TFW didn't score a single on-camera interview after the big People spread. I wonder if she's got anything lined up for next week's new episode.
Reading the 2nd article was very upsetting. To even think that precious child was possibly not send to a loving inpatient care facility and doing great to possibly a juvenile facility where they don't give a damn about him and treat him bad.
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GollyGee - Where are you getting this? I read the article and didn't see anything about Juvenile Corrections. I know that someone mentioned a "detention facility" yesterday and I told them that that was quite a jump. I doubt that he's done anything that would land him in juvie. BTW, my son works as a counselor in a juvenile detention facility and they do care about the kids, quite a lot in fact. Don't make judgments on things based on what you see on TV or on one bad story in the press. Please don't take this as my picking on you because I'm not.
They are both f-ing juvenile! Jon's quote about the twins, was "we're not speaking right now". That's not how a parent would say that - seems more like teen speak to me. I would think a parent would say, "Mady isn't speaking to me right now".
I agree with Admin - this stupid interview schtick of saying you don't know anything, then saying you're going to see a lawyer is ridiculous.
Both Kate and Jon are playing victim, while the real victims are the kids. They both can't see past their hate of each other to see how damaging it is to the kids.
Rainbow, totally agree but if all it takes is a phone call, how come Jon says he is still in the dark after all these months? How come law enforcement has not collaborated her public story about Collin and told Jon his location? There has to be more going on here. Here's the full interview:
http://www.etonline.com/news/203026_jon_gosselin_fears_his_eight_children_lives_are_just_chores_at_home_with_ex_kate_gosselin/
I agree that Jon doing these tabloid interviews and making noises complaining about not seeing his kids is getting old. What parent can sleep at night not knowing where his child is? If Kate has lied to the press and to her fans that Collin is in a residential special needs program and it is revealed that instead the child is in some detention center, this is a big scandal for TLC. I never thought Collin needed to be sent away per his TV behavior but we only see what TLC and Kate wants us to see. I truly think he just would not obey her, had to be watched closely, and she needed him out of the way for filming. Whatever his issues, it seems it could have been dealt with at home unless it was something really awful and he was a threat to his family or to himself. Amazingly she can still film with just seven now so TLC has to be onboard with whatever is going on.
Barring a court order, if the custodial parent interferes with visitation and places the child out of the home and refuses to tell the ex where the child is could it be considered kidnapping? Just asking.
Just as an FYI, Shawn Tuma follows Jon on IG and "likes" some of his posts. I may be reaching, but this leads me to believe that they're still in touch so maybe Jon can go to (or has gone to) him for advice
I watched the ET segment with Jon and it seems pretty clear that for whatever reason, Kate is allowed to do whatever she wants with Colin, and bar access from Jon.
He has no say and she doesn't seem to be obligated to tell him anything, let alone grant him access to his son.
How this is legal, I have no idea.
I keep thinking back to the remark that she made about Camp Barnabas, when she said that parents of special needs kids get a break when they send them to camp for a week. I don't think Kate ever thought she'd have a special needs child. Sometimes remarks like that come back to haunt us.
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Hopefully Kate enjoyed her break from having to deal with her son, while he was placed outside the home.
Her son never gets a break.
I never thought Collin needed to be sent away per his TV behavior but we only see what TLC and Kate wants us to see. I truly think he just would not obey her, had to be watched closely, and she needed him out of the way for filming. Whatever his issues, it seems it could have been dealt with at home unless it was something really awful and he was a threat to his family or to himself.
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That's just the thing. We don't know what his issues are; how much a part behavior played in this whole thing; if Kate could have handled this by herself in their own home, or if a therapist advised her to place him where he would receive the best help necessary for him.
As such, all of this speculation is just that...speculation. We don't have all of the facts, we haven't been in that home, and all of the armchair psych analysis would do no good without having seen the whole picture, which we may never have, nor should we have. There more than likely is a huge part of this puzzle that is missing, and probably will never be put together...at least not for blogs, not for tabloids, not for television interviews.
If Kate has lied to the press and to her fans that Collin is in a residential special needs program and it is revealed that instead the child is in some detention center, this is a big scandal for TLC.
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I think it's a huge scandal any way you slice it. Kate continues to film after divorce, acrimony, years of failing to co-parent, parent-child alienation, school expulsions, behavioral difficulties, emotional difficulties, social difficulties and even sending one kid into a treatment program and continuing on like it's the circus, and as if that's not enough...
We have Jon saying over and over gain, on national tv, that Kate Gosselin is keeping his son from him. And, no one blinks? No one says, "Hey, this show should not go on like none of the above is happening. This is really F*cked up. What is really going on?"
It's like living in bizarroworld. People just live with this cognitive dissonance and you want to slap them into reality.
In what world do you sit down with your "kiddos" and watch the Gosselin family, like their lives aren't unbelievably screwed up?
Speaking about unbelievably screwed up, how about that bunch currently appearing on 90 Day Fiance. I stumbled, accidentally I might add, on that show last Sunday and couldn't believe people would actually submit themselves to this humiliation or that viewers see the show as entertainment.
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@Tucker's mom And what's more disgusting and sad is Kate's not the only scandal TLC has had.How many sex scandals are they up to since the Willis family?All the duggars had to do was throw Josh under the bus and act as though he doesn't exist and the older daughters get their own show to this day despite alot people boycotting ads and a huge outcry,they still to this day have more episodes coming in January it seems.
Tucker's Mom said... 156
That's my sense, too. But it doesn't explain how he was able to get an emergency custody order when Hannah refused to go back to Kate after visitation with Jon. It's all terribly muddled.
You are right, Midnight. It is speculation but that's what you get when you make your life public. In a normal family, a mother would not announce her son's troubles in People magazine and a father would not go on ET questioning where his son is. Actually, I do believe the whole story will come out because the kids have learned to seek attention and the way to do that is by being a public figure like mom or dad.
In my experience, for most types of behaviourial issues a child has, it is a 2 way street with the parent and child. How can she or Jon help him if they aren't "in" on the training. Most likely, he is getting Cognitive Behaviourial Therapy (with possibly medication), to help him cope. Again, I know its speculation, but unless he actually tried to harm himself or others, then a residential treatment facility is just cruel.
I just think he wouldn't fall in line to her demands, and the more she screamed, the less he would comply. We have all seen her meltdowns over the most minor of issues. And the thing is, he probably couldn't follow her demands due to whatever the issues are with his mental health. And medication is not a magic pill - it needs to go hand in hand with therapy. That poor, poor kid.
Nicky said... 164
In my experience, for most types of behaviourial issues a child has, it is a 2 way street with the parent and child. How can she or Jon help him if they aren't "in" on the training.
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As harsh as it may sounds, he's no good to her if he is disrupting filming in any way. I'm sure Kate could even afford to have a professional available when they are filming (if TLC wouldn't pay for it), but somehow this is her preferred mode of dealing with her troubled son. The idea that she wouldn't allow his father to at least attempt to mitigate his "issues" is a disgrace.
Nicky said... 164
In my experience, for most types of behaviourial issues a child has, it is a 2 way street with the parent and child. How can she or Jon help him if they aren't "in" on the training. Most likely, he is getting Cognitive Behaviourial Therapy (with possibly medication), to help him cope. Again, I know its speculation, but unless he actually tried to harm himself or others, then a residential treatment facility is just cruel.
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Excellent point. When a patient, especially a child, is in long(er)-term treatment, "rounding" with the family is done on a regular, interim basis, where the patent and family meet with the treatment team and discuss progress, goals and eventually, transition back to home and continued therapies and modalities.
How Jon is not a part of this is beyond my comprehension.
I just think he wouldn't fall in line to her demands, and the more she screamed, the less he would comply
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Agree. Colin is a highly-intelligent child and maybe didn't submit and cope like the other siblings.
I heard this morning that Mark Burnett and Roma Downey are creating a family friendly, faith-based TV network. If only TFW had faked her churchgoing persona a little longer, she might've been able to score
a gig. But once you've gotten your foot licked on TV during a drunken manhunt,
I guess it's hard to unring that bell.
The fans seem to believe that Jon has no rights in regards to his kids, that he basically sold those rights. It is actually pretty common for one parent to get legal custody in a divorce. That part is totally separate from child support and visitation. My sister got a divorce in PA. She has legal custody of the kids. Her ex pays child support based on the PA formula using income, health insurance, etc. He gets copies of school communications, he is at IEP meetings, he has visitation. They do not get along terribly well but work it out. Jon still has rights. My sister still needs his signature to get passports for the kids. I'm unsure why Kate doesn't. If she did, she would have to talk to him.
However, it's been said here before. Neither of these parents seems to have the kids' best interest as the most important thing. Why does Jon never seem to assert his rights? I don't get it. Sure it costs money but I don't understand why you would let money get in the way of finding out where your son is. What did your lawyer say? I doubt he said go on tv and ask.
When I think about Collin I see him as the sweet little boy who took so much time choosing just the right gift for his mother. I believe that he chose a mamma bear with her cub but because he didn't go with the predetermined theme of what the other kids were getting (turtles?) TFW dismissed his gift and, IIRC, she even called his choice "strange" during the couch interview. I hope that wherever he is he is getting some much needed peace in his life.
Duggars pulled in their biggest numbers of the current season last night (Jinger's wedding) with 1.84mm. Which is not such a great number compared to previous seasons of this show. Interestingly, this did not translate into much of a boon for Outdaughtered, which premiered in the hour after the Duggars and lost 40+% of the audience, posting 1.075mm viewers. Doesn't look like they're going to be much of a lead-in for K8.
NJGal51 (#170), and it sounds like TFW was puzzled that there was only one cub, and not 8. As if the individual connection he felt to her was being disregarded, and she only saw him as one of a pack. And having witnessed several months of happy happy
joy joy Puppypalooza at Gosselin Manor following C's departure, I think TFW has confirmed what little value he rated in that household.
Why doesn't anyone ask Gladys where Collin is, and why Kate isn't disclosing that information to Jon? As Chief Executive Ewe, Milo knows everything and loves to brag about how close they are and how much she knows as Kate's BFF.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 3m3 minutes ago
People are foolish to judge you based on partial vague pieces of info! So much good we have yet to know! #MomDoingHerBest > @Kateplusmy8
Milo, you moron. Shut up and stop shooting yourself in the foot. YOU judge Kate based on partial information and what you see on television! Could it be that there are even more bad things yet to know?
Sad but true said... 171
Duggars pulled in their biggest numbers of the current season last night (Jinger's wedding) with 1.84mm. Which is not such a great number compared to previous seasons of this show. Interestingly, this did not translate into much of a boon for Outdaughtered, which premiered in the hour after the Duggars and lost 40+% of the audience, posting 1.075mm viewers. Doesn't look like they're going to be much of a lead-in for K8.
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Thanks for the numbers!
A Duggar wedding garners 1.8M? Not impressive, and even worse or OutDaughtered, losing so many eyeballs.
Wow.
And having witnessed several months of happy happy
joy joy Puppypalooza at Gosselin Manor following C's departure, I think TFW has confirmed what little value he rated in that household.
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Hey, life goes on. Filming happens regardless of the body count.
Anybody have a clue what Doofus was trying to say here? "So much good we have yet to know"? Was she translating from the Pig Latin that seems to be spoken in her head? Has there been some huge misunderstanding about everything with Jon? Was Collin in fact never removed from home? Or was he blessed by angels, "cured" of all his "issues," and miraculously returned home to be filmed the crap out of this season? Will he be appearing as himself in all 8 episodes? Cuz really, that's about all I'm interested in knowing from Kate Gosselin at the moment. Her silence is deafening.
Well here's some good news.For those who've been following the whole Bullyville saga.Deric Lostutter(a Bullyville employee)pled guilty in federal court for computer hacking.For those who don't know who he is,apparently he was hired by bullyville to stalk and harass the Kate critics on twitter.He faces up to 6 years in prison. http://www.viaviewfiles.net/uncategorized/mcgibney-bullyville-employee-deric-lostutter-pleads-guilty-federal-court-computer-hacking/
Jamesvader1194 said... 178
Well here's some good news.For those who've been following the whole Bullyville saga.Deric Lostutter(a Bullyville employee)pled guilty in federal court for computer hacking.For those who don't know who he is,apparently he was hired by bullyville to stalk and harass the Kate critics on twitter.He faces up to 6 years in prison. http://www.viaviewfiles.net/uncategorized/mcgibney-bullyville-employee-deric-lostutter-pleads-guilty-federal-court-computer-hacking/
November 17, 2016 at 6:14 PM
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And what does Kate get for colluding with him and telling them to go after her "haterz"?
"Take them down", or something like that?
I know that there's a trail of Kate telling people to shut down other sites and people.
I remember when she'd just outright tell @TLC to take care of that so and so, on her Twitter.
Wow, TLC really promoted the heck out of Outdaughtered, and the premiere only bright in 1.075 million? Yikes. I wonder what will happen next week when K+8 comes on at 10. It's a late time slot, but so many people are out of work/school for Thanksgiving, and don't have to get up the next morning. Things will get interesting as the season goes on, with such a late show time and people back to work. I think this will be the season that drops below 1M average. It would have been last season, but there was that creative new way of calculating the ratings, which inflated the numbers for everything (not just K+8). Even then, the boost only lasted for about 3 weeks, and the ratings dropped back down again.
Oh, yes, the next two months will be interesting to watch.
Jamesvader1194, you are always the first with ratings around here, so we'l be counting on you to keep us all informed.
**Interesting factoid: The highest-rated show from last season scored 1.289M viewers, almost the same number of viewers as the lowest-rated show from the season before (1.244M). Wouldn't it be fun if that pattern continued?
Jamesvader1194 said... 178
Others might know him better as KYAnonymous on Twitter, of the Steubenville rape case.
I'm having thoughts that Colin isn't in an institution at all. We assumed when he was "sent away" that meant real help in an institution for special needs kids. He could be living with Henry the Farmer, or with Jamie, or with that family in Montana who supposedly took care of the kids, or at Steve's house with Gina. Or who knows? Poor kid.
I'm having thoughts that Colin isn't in an institution at all. We assumed when he was "sent away" that meant real help in an institution for special needs kids. He could be living with Henry the Farmer, or with Jamie, or with that family in Montana who supposedly took care of the kids, or at Steve's house with Gina. Or who knows? Poor kid.
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Like a Duggar situation? Where the "treatment" they sent him away too was really just a family friend who set him to work on construction. Could be.
Why is it that time and time again Kate proves that we absolutely cannot trust a word out of her mouth about what's going on with her children?
FlimsyFlamsy @172 - I agree 100%!
Wow, TLC really promoted the heck out of Outdaughtered, and the premiere only bright in 1.075 million? Yikes.
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OUCH. But, good. TV will only ruin them. I really don't know what TLC is thinking. There's nothing interesting left about multiples. It's so old and recycled. Trying to sell "multiples" to audiences is about as hard as trying to sell your iPhone 3 kicking around in the junk drawer.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 179
Like a Duggar situation? Where the "treatment" they sent him away too was really just a family friend who set him to work on construction. Could be.
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If that's the case, she used the term "special needs" very misleadingly then. If his special need is that he can't live with her anymore, that doesn't really fall into what we typically put in that category. And she knows it.
Trying to sell "multiples" to audiences is about as hard as trying to sell your iPhone 3 kicking around in the junk drawer.
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More like my old flip phone!
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"that family in Montana who supposedly took care of the kids"
That's Andrea's family, Carla's brother. I thought he might have been sent there also. I don't think TFW ever actually said he was in a school or other facility.
Well here's some good news.For those who've been following the whole Bullyville saga.Deric Lostutter(a Bullyville employee)pled guilty in federal court for computer hacking.For those who don't know who he is,apparently he was hired by bullyville to stalk and harass the Kate critics on twitter.He faces up to 6 years in prison. http://www.viaviewfiles.net/uncategorized/mcgibney-bullyville-employee-deric-lostutter-pleads-guilty-federal-court-computer-hacking/
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I have no idea who those people are. Whenever I checked that site, there was a new person popping up on there. I gave up trying to figure out the whole convoluted mess and who is suing whom and the role each person plays in the BV saga. One would need more than just a crash course or the Spark Notes version.
This reminds me of that case in Minnesota where the mom hid the kids from the divorced husband for years at a friend of a friend of a friend's house. She just got sent to jail for it.
Admin, Those of us who didn't understand the angry white male Trump vote stand corrected. It is all so clear now. The white man has been silently suffering "anti-white discrimination" for years at their local Starbucks. Coffee is the source of the outrage.
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/coral-gables/article115293593.html
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Yes. One weirdo with mental health issues is clearly representative of the motivations of 60 million voters (an overwhelming number of whom were women.) That explains it all, you're right. Really, I have never seen people be this petulant over a loss like this. It's unprecedented. A week later you're still going.
@Layla (180) I think you have me mistaken for someone else because i was never the first person to find out about the ratings and viewers for Kate's episodes.Correct me if im wrong but i believe KIAT is the 1st person to find out about the ratings.
It just popped into my mind that maybe the facility that Collin is receiving treatment has perhaps contacted Jon. I would think that in order for Collin to receive proper treatment that his father would be a part of that treatment. Don't you think his therapists would very much want to talk to Jon about Collin's past and his future. I sure hope so.
Admin., IF and I say IF Jon did give up legal custody, would that affect the facility contacting Jon or not. I mean he is Collin's biological father and the therapists must know that Jon is has always been in several of his kids' lives. Also the therapist must know how active Jon was with all his kids before the divorce.
This gives me hope. Maybe Collin being away and getting help will bring Jon and Collin back together. That would be fantastic.
I just made my previous comment about Collin without reading the above comments. Sorry
I have not been reading this blog lately but after reading the above page, I feel very depressed over the Gosselins. They are so F***ked up. It is so sad.
Kate is horrible in all areas. But Jon giving E! an interview makes me mad and sad. Jon is not helping anything or anybody by giving these interviews. I do question if he is paid for it. Sorry but I do. And him texting Kate on camera was so immature it is frightening. It is proof he is trying to annoy her and his kids when they grow up will see that also. He is just making everything much worse with his interviews and it is giving sick, sick Kate more "proof" that she can show her kids to turn them against their father.
And something is really wrong on his end. He has gone to the media over the past few years saying he was going to court to do this and that and nothing has ever happened.
When the divorce was finalized in 2009 he had legal custody. It is very obvious he does not now. I am of the belief that he gave away his legal custody and exchange of him paying no child support. Hence, Kate can do whatever she wants with her kids...like film the hell out of them, etc. Yes, I believe he truly loves all of his kids and I believe he though he gave away legal custody he had and has every intent of being an involved father. I think that is why Jon does not know where Collin is. I think it has to do with him not having legal custody. Otherwise after months of Collin being away I can't believe that Jon still does not know.
I'm still trying to get my mind around the fact that C's siblings don't know where he is. It must be especially hard for his 2 brothers. Those boys were womb mates and room mates their whole lives. But since boys are second class citizens in that house, I guess they just have to grin and bear it.
And Tuesday the TLC side show will be open for business again. Hurry, hurry, step right up and watch the G 8! Er, I mean, 7!
Why only 7? Never mind, nothing to see here. Oh, look -- PUPPIES!
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Jon texted Kate while he was on TV to prove a point. He told the reporter that she refuses to answer his texts, and she said something back--if you text her now she won't answer? And so he did. I don't think it was immature. He was proving to her and to the world that Kate refuses to tell him where Collin is. It is also proof for the kids, if they see it, that their father is trying to communicate and be more involved, and their mother is refusing to give him information. Do you think she is going to admit any of this to them? Of course not.
I don't agree with him going on TV to talk about the kids, and I agree it needs to all be worked out in court. Nobody but Jon and Kate know for sure whether he gave up legal rights in exchange for no child support. That has been a rumor for a long time, but never confirmed on either side. But even if he does not have legal custody right now, he has every right to go back to court and fight for equal rights to his children. And hopefully this time he will.
Jon is acting like a wimp and is being very immature. But he is also a father, and the mother of his children is a vicious parental alienator and abuser. She appears to take delight in tormenting him. Yes, it is wrong for him to make all of this as public as he has, but put yourself in his shoes. He has to be very worried about his children's well-being and very frustrated. I hope he shuts his mouth, takes her to court, gets equal legal custody, and makes a positive difference in the kids' lives. Whether he does that is up to him.
Jamesvader1194,
Sorry, I think there was another person posting with your name last season who seemed to beat us to the punch every time. IIRC, it was the same name, but spelled"Jamezvader". Anyway, KIAT has always been on the ball with ratings news so we can count n her to keep us all informed!
Upon reading that Jinger Duggar's wedding only brought in a rating of 1.8 million I looked up the ratings for Jill and Jessa. Jill's wedding: 4.4 million and Jessa's was 4.3. So that is a huge decline.
I just watched the episode on On Demand. It was only an hour. I think the other two weddings were 2 hours.
Anna was the matron of honor. There was no sign of Josh. All the family was sitting together and he was not there or was being hidden from the cameras. The parents were pretty heavily featured.
Joy is now in a courtship. She is 19. She has known this guy for 15 years. Get this. This guy was in an episode of "World's Strictest Parents". I guess his parents are very much like the Duggars.
Layla said... 197
. . . Nobody but Jon and Kate know for sure whether he gave up legal rights in exchange for no child support. . . .
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The timing of this, if it happened, is so suspect, though. Kate's attorney's proclamation that he was no longer paying CS happened in late April 2012. (Not coincidentally, this was 26 months after the divorce was final, so the story about him paying in excess of $20K/mth for 22 months rings true.) He claimed to be dead broke. She had been off TV by that point for nearly 8 months. And besides the pretendy Marathon Mom thing and Coupon Cabin, there didn't look to be any TV or even a semi-decent gig on the horizon for her. Was some network leading her on, saying, we're interested but not unless you have the kids free and clear?
By that time, Jon was not in any position to pay CS---or not at that level---but she was hardly working. Whatever she was doing was surely nowhere near as lucrative as her TLC heights had been. It just seems a strange time for her to say (if this is what happened), okay you don't need to pay anymore. And the quid pro quo for that was, you can't stand in my way anymore? I am now the sole "owner" of these kids, and I will do with them whatever I please? Again, it just seems odd. Lots and lots of parents cannot pay CS---do all of them lose their parental rights? And are children's lives and futures even able to be negotiated away like that? And would Jon have really signed off on it, thinking he had no choice?
This is the one big Gordian knot in this story that confuses everything that came after. I wonder if we'll ever know the answer.
Layla said... 198
Jamesvader1194,
Sorry, I think there was another person posting with your name last season who seemed to beat us to the punch every time. . . .
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I think you mean MikeB.
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