Kate creates a scavenger hunt for the sextuplets' 12th Birthday! The boys and girls are split into teams and compete to find clues that will eventually to their big party!
Don't you wonder what the atmosphere is like in that house right now, if these psych evaluations are indeed pending? Can't you see her drilling it into their heads, "You LOVE filming! You LOVE filming!" It's kind of unfair that she gets so much advance warning. 8888 She can coach them all she wants but the truth usually comes out. These are professionals and are expert in asking the same question many different ways to get to the truth especially if all the kids are saying the same thing in the same manner using just about the exact same words.
Denise @Mydmaxx 21h21 hours ago @Kateplusmy8 @TLC so have you given any thought to the 13th Birthday party planning to top this one? 😝
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 21h21 hours ago @Mydmaxx @TLC YEP! The kids gave me the idea! It'll be outrageously fun! #KatePlus8
Well, she can always put it out on YouTube, I guess. But I doubt it will be "outrageously fun" without a TLC budget. In fact, I'm betting it won't happen at all.
"At least you have more so you won't be lonely"??? Some of these people are as crazy as K8 is. =====\ Not crazy, just wanted to bring to light what her actions and lack of emotions convey about the absence of one of her children. How that a child with such huge abandonment issues that it causes him to act out so bad that he is removed, yes I said removed, from his home and family, can find any peace and comfort in having him two hours away with only a few phone calls and one day a month visitation. That is such el toro poo poo it's not funny.
Oh my heart. What fear and abandonment that child must be feeling. His worst nightmare has come true. I speak from knowledge and experience. Unless you have gone through it you won't even come close to knowing what it's like to know with conviction in your little heart, true or not, that your mommy is going to forget you. There is nothing anybody can say to convince you differently. So many ideas, thoughts and questions go through your mind to no avail. Heck, even dad who once was your hero can't or doesn't want to help or he would have already done it.
Quick story and I'll be done. When I was 4 mom had a breakdown and I had to live with grandpa (german and scary) and his wife. There I was molested by 3 of her sons. When I told someone dad took me and would put me in nursery school while he worked. I remember standing at the door crying my eyes out as he walked away. My little mind just knew with an absolute assuredness that I would be ok at home by myself. He way later told me that that was one of the hardest things he has ever had to do, leaving me sobbing at the door. He thought it was hard on him? puffft! My little mind and heart just knew he wasn't coming back. day after day, after day. He did always come back but the abandonment feeling was stronger than the new truth. I still to this day have triggers, C being one, that will bring it all back to me without warning. It lurks beneath any help I have had to, what does Kate say, learn skills to be the best me I can be. EL TORO POO POO KATE!!! CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOU HAG! I'm going to push myself to the front when the book of life is opened for your accountability. I want to hear what you're going to say then. Remember the hurting the child, millstone and ocean scripture? What do you think He will be giving you? A crown of jewels or a fire extinguisher? Oh my, now I need to pray through. I will be judged out of that same book.
Ok, I'm finished. Except to say, "I wondered how long it would take to be posted here." hehe
Layla said... 152 Ratings in--860,000. I thought last night was her best chance to break a million, but that did 't happen. Good.
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I guess Gladys fell down on her PR job to hawk the show. On what are the sheeple blaming this dismal rating? It wasn't aired opposite DWTS this week.
I guess the only thing they can come up with is that it's too late for the teenybopper fans. I don't think that excuse will work, though. If they love Kate as much as they claim, they would have found a way to stay awake and watch The Best Mother On Planet Earth. After all, they admire her. She inspires them. They want her to adopt them, and they want recipes for popcorn that isn't burned.
I know nothing about psych evaluations (never had one, thank goodness, although at times my kids have thought I needed one), but can such an evaluation be faked, as in learning how to fool a polygraph?
While Collin may be treated better and helped with his issues wherever he is, home is home, and with his brothers, regardless of Kate's treatment. He loves his mother, evident in the gift he chose and how he stood up for her while every other child booed her. I feel sad for him but hope he is happy and healthy one day.
As for Alexis, the other tup who does not visit Jon, I wonder how she is doing. She had similar issues to Collin's back in Kindergarten and appears angry and alienated at times. And why did Kate specifically ask Aaden if he was going to Jon's if he was one of the 'usual?' Very messed up.
The twins seem to despise both Mommy and the tups.And the girls the boys. And L and H, Alexis. Wow.
Rainbowsandunicorns said... 5 I know nothing about psych evaluations (never had one, thank goodness, although at times my kids have thought I needed one), but can such an evaluation be faked, as in learning how to fool a polygraph?
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If you have ever even informally taken an MMPI, you know, that as stated above, they ask certain questions in different ways over and over. They are designed to catch people who are malingering, or otherwise trying to alter the results of the test. They are validity questions and I guess there is a validity score that it has to surpass.
If some of the other kids besides Collin are also on medication, then this suggests to me that they have issues that are a lot more serious than "behavior" problems.
Kate doesn't want to tell the truth because then she'll have to admit that SHE and her FAKE TV SHOW are the primary cause of those problems.
Tizzie said... 8 If some of the other kids besides Collin are also on medication, then this suggests to me that they have issues that are a lot more serious than "behavior" problems. _____
People who watched said Alexis seems dopey. Since she was the other one expelled from school, that would make some sense. I wonder if Kate decided to medicate rather than do therapy/special needs education. Had she started on the latter course six years ago, when this came up, perhaps all of this could have been avoided. Or maybe not, but then that would mean she's been lying all along about how her kids are doing in school, etc. No surprise there, I guess.
If some of the other kids besides Collin are also on medication, then this suggests to me that they have issues that are a lot more serious than "behavior" problems.
Kate doesn't want to tell the truth because then she'll have to admit that SHE and her FAKE TV SHOW are the primary cause of those problems.
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She wanted to do it all alone and be known as the struggling single mom. That kind of backfired on her. If she is the cause of her kids' behavior problems and possible other issues, then Kate, the martyr, has nobody to blame but herself.
, I doubt him looking back on his siblings happily celebrating their birthday on TV without him will be good for his mental health. That's what really bothers me!
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Sounds like a good fleecing is brewing. There have been a handful of watershed moments on this show where she lost a whole bunch of otherwise loyal fans. I'm glad for the fans that many of them are recognizing despite the benefit of the doubt that this just doesn't smell right. Good, it shouldn't.
I am about 99% convinced he has been "placed" against her will. It would explain why he would be there for so long, and why her visitation appears to be somewhat limited. The limited visits might very well be because it's in his best interest to not be constantly disrupted by her instability, the things she says to him, etc., and not because she won't go as often as a loving mother would. Often, I advocate for less frequent but longer-hour visits for a mentally unstable child when the parent's presence deregulates them to the point where it takes them days to get back on track. In the meantime, the parent does therapy to try to learn how to control themselves around their child. Most states have kids placed in six month spurts, with the courts reviewing the placement every six months and deciding whether the child should go home or continue the six months. Of course you can always bring it back to court if something significant changes in the meantime. Very few placements this intensive are going to go this long without a placement order. Unless the issues are truly very serious, and I just don't see it in this case.
Since the kids are self-supporting, I imagine the judge would order that a GAL be paid out of their own funds.
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Yes in family law court usually the parents have to pay for them if they can afford it. It doesn't matter if they oppose an attorney for their kids, they're on the hook. In child abuse court not necessarily. I am never paid by the parents, I'm paid by the state.
The more she coaches these kids the more obvious it will be. A good judge, therapist, or attorney will see right through it. There are tell tale signs and red flags of coaching that can be spotted. I've seen many of them in the Gosselin children. When you've seen dozens of coached kids it becomes second nature both to identify it and if necessary to encourage a child to tell the truth--their truth, not their mother's.
There's a new article on People.com: "Terri Irwin's 'Heart Aches' That Late Husband Steve Isn't Alive for Their Son's 13th Birthday." There's a real live single mom. And one who would give anything to see her children have a dad again.
Shame on you, Kate Gosselin, for keeping your children's loving father away from them. These milestones will never come again: birthdays, holidays, school events. YOU ARE A HORRIBLE MOTHER.
She wanted to do it all alone and be known as the struggling single mom. That kind of backfired on her. If she is the cause of her kids' behavior problems and possible other issues, then Kate, the martyr, has nobody to blame but herself. ____
She might not be the actual cause of all their problems, but I wonder if she insisted on keeping some of them in a school that was not really suited to their needs, due to her own vanity and the fact that she really couldn't be bothered trying to organize two different school schedules. Miss Organizer indeed. LCDS has a very generous vacation schedule, unlike public schools, and the breaks don't always coincide. Filming would only work if they were all on one schedule. I can definitely see her making this very selfish choice.
Adult words and phrases are a common red flag of coaching. Seen that in the twins. So is a child who is unable to explain why exactly they are so upset at their parent. Seen that in these kids too. Or, if they're mad about something a child normally wouldn't concern themselves with (daddy cheated, daddy was a day late with child support), that's a sign.
Another is a child who seems reluctant, torn, upset to say negative things, as if deep down they're realizing something is wrong about this. Saw that in Cara.
Sometimes, kids will just flat out admit their parent told them what to say, too young to understand why that's a problem.
If you have ever even informally taken an MMPI, you know, that as stated above, they ask certain questions in different ways over and over. They are designed to catch people who are malingering, or otherwise trying to alter the results of the test. They are validity questions and I guess there is a validity score that it has to surpass.
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Yes. There are many different tests out there and some doctors are better than others. But in general, assuming an excellent doctor, experienced in family law problems, who is current with all the best testing to give, I would say they are hard to fake. In fact, when people try to fake them, they will often come up on the test as quite literally, trying to fake it, guarded, etc. Which doesn't bode well.
I heard some fascinating testimony a couple months ago from someone who strictly does sex abuse evaluations to determine what their risk is of molesting kids, and there was extensive questioning on could it be faked. The end result was, yes and no. But mostly, no.
Ratings in--860,000. I thought last night was her best chance to break a million, but that did 't happen. Good.
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That's AWFUL! But, yea!!!
Big mistake to lead off the season with a clip show. Huge. I fear half the casual viewers didn't even quite catch on a real season was starting. I don't blame the late time, lots of shows do well at 10pm. It's run its course, and I also think there's a fair portion who don't want to watch this given the Collin situation.
According to the link I just posted they had a court date the day before thanksgiving and judge ordered Jon got to have kids for dinner. So that mannequin challenge was to make it look like she had all the kids November 30, 2016 at 10:58 AM ******** I'm overjoyed for Jon that he got 4 of his children to celebrate Thanksgiving, even if just for a few precious hours. If Kate really did tell Jon that he was ruining Thanksgiving, all I can say is that she'd better get used to it. She should have been sharing those kids on birthdays and holidays for 5 years now. Her stranglehold on custody needs to be done. It's time for the "realest reality" to set in.
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It looks like the mannequin challenge was filmed at night given the grainy video, and the kitchen and table didn't look like a huge thanksgiving feast had just happen, with leftovers and other things scattered about. Especially with how disorganized Kate is. And it looked like they were just digging into a couple desserts.
I hope that's true, they need to SHARE the holidays, FAIRLY. Jon's for dinner, then back later for dessert.
For many fans, I think Kate's behavior is *finally* putting a fine point on who she really is. The mothers out there can not even *imagine* celebrating without a child-a child who is still living! I think it's very hard to comprehend for those people who actually have a conscience, and are now realizing Kate does not.
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A lot of people just can't grasp things until it strikes too close to home. I imagine just like lots of parents out there, a lot of sheeple parents either have a child with special needs or are very close to a child with special needs, like a relative. Watching a mother who they thought was just like them handle this situation so differently than they could ever imagine may be the one thing they just can't get past. Finally.
Milo only took one stab at the old pinata today. I guess she couldn't find a suitable platitude for how to cope when faced with a court-ordered psych evaluation.
The episode last night was the first one without Collin, and I think the most shocking--the family ignoring his very existence while they celebrate the best birthday (also his birthday) ever. That is, I think, going to be the one thing that causes her to lose viewers. I was just so heartless and cold. Who can relate to a supposedly loving mother doing such a thing?
If the fans who claimed they won't watch after this episode actually tune out, then there will be a noticeable drop next week. If not, then they don't really care what she does to those kids. Sadly, I would not be surprised to see that they really don't care.
The episode last night was the first one without Collin, and I think the most shocking--the family ignoring his very existence while they celebrate the best birthday (also his birthday) ever. That is, I think, going to be the one thing that causes her to lose viewers. I was just so heartless and cold. Who can relate to a supposedly loving mother doing such a thing?
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I haven't watched yet but it sounds like they really threw a misfire here in that it came across really tone deaf.
They would have been so much better off doing a real benign episode and storyline for the first time we truly see Collin GONE. Mady sands and paints an antique, the boys bake stuffed shells, Kate gets her nails done. Doing something so special as a big birthday and acting like it's no big deal let's move on that he's missing out on all this is just not going to play well no matter how you slice it.
I' guessing Mrs. Busby was young, inexperienced and immature. That kind of bravado, acting like an ass, and yanking around hooks insecure young women. I'm betting he was her first real relationship.
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Their "in love" story is even more juvenile than Kate and Jon's.
Nothing in that story tells me what exactly she saw in him. They met working at Target. But she says nothing about him being a hard worker, or especially helpful to customers, or sensitive to a customer with special needs, or strong work ethic always on time, etc. It's just, we talked, and I wished on a star he would ask me out, and then he did! (And then, cancelled on her)
The attraction sounds mostly physical to me. There's no foundation there. You're right, they'll be done in, say, five years.
I'm really beginning to think that if you sign up for a reality show, there's a really good chance you're a grade A dolt.
Admin. can children who have been removed from the home and fostered out by cps allowed to contact family? If not then IMO 99.9 percent do I believe he was removed.
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Yes, YES, and YES. Of course! Contact with family especially parents is essential and I usually push for it with all my heart. But, due to Agency's resources, or the child's stabilization, visits may not be as frequent as they would be if grandma were watching the kids. For example, if 20 kids are placed in a treatment group home, they couldn't have 40 parents there every single day for 6 hours, they wouldn't have the resources to manage the constant influx of people. So it's more normal to be able to visit every week or twice a week.
Here, 2-3 times a week and sometimes even one time a week is normal for a child not placed with a friend or relative. This is a big reason I think he is placed against her will, because of the length of time and apparently, not seeing him that much.
For what it’s worth, I taught middle school, high school, and even alternative high school, the “last chance” school for students with behavior problems.
With this experience in mind, I must say I’ve been concerned about Collin since the start of the series. He struck me as a child whose aggression was outside the acceptable norm. When it was reported that Collin (along with Alexis) was expelled from kindergarten for aggression against classmates and teachers, it was not surprising.
Perhaps Collin was genetically predisposed to aggressive behavior - that’s the Nature aspect of his behavior. But the poor boy certainly lost the lottery when it came to the Nurture component of behavior: he was born to a mental ill narcissist who is incapable of nurturing anyone or anything but her own ego.
Kate for the most part overlooked Collin’s aggression. How often in the JK8 episodes do we see Collin shoving a sibling or bashing them over the head. Goodness, he even clobbered Kate, then ran off and did the same to Aaden. Kate’s underwhelming response was to ask, “Collin, are you being unkind?” as she made her exit past him and a sobbing Aaden.
How many times do we see Kate pawning Collin off on Jon. At Disney World, for instance, when Collin stubbornly wants to continue riding Dumbo, Kate transfers him to Jon, telling Collin roughly, “You’re with your father for the rest of the day.”
On the other hand, I recall instances of Jon appropriately disciplining Collin - crouching down to Collin’s level and talking through the incident, then perhaps assigning a consequence - only to have Kate intrude by telling Collin not to listen to Daddy, Daddy is mean.
This boy didn’t stand a chance with Kate and her mental illness ruling the roost.
Considering Collin’s history of aggression along with the fact that he has been away for so long, I can’t help but surmise that he is residing in some sort of juvenile detention facility, sent there not by Kate but by the authorities. He could have become a danger to himself and others - including his own siblings. I hate to think this, but I’ve seen similar scenarios play out in the lives of several of my troubled students.
This heartbreaking situation with Collin makes me loathe Kate all the more, it this is even possible.
Milo only took one stab at the old pinata today. I guess she couldn't find a suitable platitude for how to cope when faced with a court-ordered psych evaluation.
On a TV show message board, people are very sympathetic to Colin and can't understand Kate. Could this maybe be the beginning of the end of the show? Fingers crossed.
On a TV show message board, people are very sympathetic to Colin and can't understand Kate. Could this maybe be the beginning of the end of the show? Fingers crossed.
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Kate pushes her luck and always has. And it does come back to bite her.
I think she thinks she "wins" a lot, at least in her mind. So she gets cocky, and she pushes the envelope in so many ways. She's cocky enough to think she can say and do anything when it comes to Collin and she'll still come out on top. She believes her fans love her and that they're in it for the long haul and she's made it through so many other sticky spots like teflon. That just may not be the case this time. She is stubbornly refusing to factor in some real deal breakers. Eventually luck does tend to run out. For whatever reason if a fan identifies with this situation on any level, I think there's a real good chance that fan is done. That could really be a lot of fans at the end of the day.
NOT being political, but in many ways this reminds me of our recent election, where I think everyone pretty much agrees huge miscalculations on the temperature of the room were made, resulting in a history-making disaster. And, I do think cockiness played a major role, you bet it did when champagne was being popped before votes were even counted. Kate may have done the same, read the room wrong. Very wrong. And I think the ratings sure as hell reflect it. Kate was popping the champagne over this Collin situation before ever waiting for the ratings.
Admin (#32), I think TFW felt particularly emboldened (read: cocky) with the C situation in that C is 100% unable to defend himself to the public. Maligning Jon all these years was one thing -- he's made his attempts to fight back, which were met with a fraction of the attention her claims got.
But, in TFW's dark, controlling mind, she can say whatever she wants about C however it suits her because C has no voice. No side of the story. Nothing to claim in public. No way to defend himself. To me, that makes her even more despicable than I imagined she could be: taking advantage of her own CHILD's lack of a pulpit.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 16 There's a new article on People.com: "Terri Irwin's 'Heart Aches' That Late Husband Steve Isn't Alive for Their Son's 13th Birthday." There's a real live single mom. And one who would give anything to see her children have a dad again. ****** The utter waste of precious time that the children have with Jon is sinful. Nothing short of sinful, and so revealing about how Christian Kate really is. I think that's the biggest sign of Kate's madness. At this point, I really believe what Robert wrote about her years ago. I think Kate desperately needs professional help for her mental health. No mentally healthy person would cut virtually everyone out of the lives of children, especially their father.
Shame on you, Kate Gosselin, for keeping your children's loving father away from them. These milestones will never come again: birthdays, holidays, school events. YOU ARE A HORRIBLE MOTHER. ******** I've never seen such a lack of support for Kate. Filming without Colin and now YEARS of hating Jon more than Kate loves her children is finally make it dawn on people how greedy, vengeful and sick she really is.
She might not be the actual cause of all their problems, ******* I wonder if Kate's physical abuse and lack of emotional bonding had a profound effect on at least some of the tups' premie brains. I really do. To have the best shot in life, they all needed intensive contact, and Kate seemed to give up at the jump. Just too many. Can't do it.
Oh well...
I have never, ever seen Kate really connect in a physical or emotionally bonding way with any of her kids. I've never seen a spontaneous loving moment- a grab and smush, or sloppy kisses-lavished on anyone.
It's run its course, and I also think there's a fair portion who don't want to watch this given the Collin situation. ******* Reading through the FB comments (TLC and K + 8), the vast majority are negative and the majority of those are note "haterz". They are mostly women who are confused and disappointed, and not tuning in again. There's very little fun about watching K+8 anymore, and people come away feeling more sad, even angry, than anything else. Once again, comments about how awful the girls are-even people wondering about how awful they treat their own mother! The Colin situation is as clear as mud, and don't think people aren't picking up on the fact that there's no real explanation as to what's happened to that precious boy they've known and loved for years. Add to that the higher-thinking fans also recognize how detrimental Kate's acrimony towards Jon is, and there's little support left.
I hope that's true, they need to SHARE the holidays, FAIRLY. Jon's for dinner, then back later for dessert.
****** I think in Kate's head, she envisions every holiday with everyone at the compound. No exceptions. Not for visiting Jon or spending them with spouse's families etc. Kate provided that compound and her kids better show their thanks and allegiance for the rest of their lives. Kate's 78 weeks of bedrest must be repaid!
But I ask myself, was Collin's aggression any worse than Mady's? She was often physical with the younger kids and, heaven knows, a lot more vocal and nasty than we ever saw Collin being. As for Alexis, the "wild child," yes, we saw some hyper-ness. But outside of that strange sleeping-in-the-basement phase, which both parents just seemed to brush off (I am now convinced that Kate deliberately placed her there so she couldn't bother the others), I don't recall seeing her be mean or acting out towards her siblings.
This is where reality simply doesn't reflect what viewers have been led to believe about this family. So: Have they merely been actors (in their own lives) all along, just not PAID or acknowledged as actors? Either way, they have been shortchanged, and I hope, for the kids' sake, that someone finally stops it. I don't care what Kate does.
Yessss! That is a really great point. As far as the public is concerned, he has no voice. And whatever little we know about him, we've learned from someone who has, admittedly, always seen him as a problem.
Add to that the higher-thinking fans also recognize how detrimental Kate's acrimony towards Jon is, and there's little support left. _____
I think even those who like her and the show are beginning to recognize the fakeness. After YEARS of not mentioning Jon, suddenly there's a scene (in the clip show, to make it seem like it didn't happen last week for the first time?) where Kate AND the kids are discussing visitation. Ummm, you've been divorced for seven years, you've been filming the realest reality, and this has NEVER come up on cam before? It just doesn't wash.
I always thought Collin and Alexis should have just attended a good public school. All of the kids for that matter. I can understand Kate's reasonings for putting them in private school at the height of their fame though.
They were the two that had issues with aggression in kindergarten right? Were they also the two kids that supposedly weren't ready for kindergarten the 2009-2010 school year?
I'm wondering if a child psychologist also recommended that Colling not be filmed. Maybe in certain circumstances at least. They kept Collin out of the "escape room" episode.
I really wonder how Collin acts around people. He seems to be respectful and kind. I cant help but remember how adorable he was when they were doing the rope adventure. When he was with his "boys." He was so happy.
Not for anything, but you treat a kid like crap and that's what you're going to get out of him.
Collin has tried and tried with Kate. That adorable mother and cub bear he bought her was just too sweet. So much thought went into it. It's heartbreaking seeing Kate's reaction when he gave it to her. That, and when Collin said he wants to hug his mother but she won't let him, spoke volumes. It's still difficult to remember him saying that. I can't believe the Kate fans just dismissed that.
I really feel for that kid. I'm convinced it was Kate that "ruined" him. She herself said he was very laid-back as a baby. Most parents would laugh at his mischievous tendencies and redirect them to play, etc. Kate took it as a direct defiance of her authority. He was a toddler!
Njay, your story is tragic. I am so sorry that happened to you. I think almost all of us have felt "triggers" from watching Kate. I believe that is why we are here and still discussing her show and her behavior.
She says she would go to the ends of the earth for her children (where, perhaps, there is a McDonalds where she can seek employment).
Bold words. Martyr actions.
How about just giving a spontaneous hug to the closest child? That might be more potent than a trek to the frozen tundra.
Kate better get out her swiffer because there's a comment on her IG that's been there for 7 hours..."Rotten mother! YOU failed your son. He will despise you for separating him from the ones HE loves!!#bitchforamo
She's also got one that's been there for 22 hours...What is it like to be a complete douche?
Tucker's Mom (#36), thanks for mentioning that TFW claims to be a Christian. Hand out to churchgoers around the country -- some of whom had so much less than she -- who opened their hearts and wallets to her.
Then suddenly...it was too hard to get all the kids to church without Jon's help. Then it was too sad to go without him. Then it was some headaches that kept all 9 of them from going to church at Easter (funny she got to NYC for Jon's hairplug surgery while most of her kids with wiped out with the flu).
I am by NO means judging someone who doesn't go to church. Heck, she can live in a yurt and worship a picture of Donny Osmond. But she cashed in on what she claimed was her faith, and she surely does not walk the talk. I guess Christianity no longer knows how to help her.
Once again, comments about how awful the girls are-even people wondering about how awful they treat their own mother! The Colin situation is as clear as mud, and don't think people aren't picking up on the fact that there's no real explanation as to what's happened to that precious boy they've known and loved for years.
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Another thing she didn't factor in. A lot of viewers LIKE this "character" Collin. She thinks she can just swiffer him and everyone's okay with it, even the sheeple? It's not going to work that way.
Pants on Fire said... 30 ***** Thank you. I agree Colin's symptoms have been ignored and minimized for years by Kate. When your child gets kicked out of kindergarten for physically harming people, it's time to wake the f*&k up. I just think that Kate's decisions are always driven by saving her brand and continuing filming the kids. She's been able to get away with it for years.
But, in TFW's dark, controlling mind, she can say whatever she wants about C however it suits her because C has no voice. No side of the story. Nothing to claim in public. No way to defend himself. To me, that makes her even more despicable than I imagined she could be: taking advantage of her own CHILD's lack of a pulpit. **** Yes, just another layer to a narcissist's smear campaign. She's going to get HER version out before the "target" gets theirs out. She's carefully planting the seed the HE is and always was the "problem "and she's done everything "any mother " would do with such a problem child. She controls the narrative. Gaslighting and manipulation
Yes, just another layer to a narcissist's smear campaign. She's going to get HER version out before the "target" gets theirs out. She's carefully planting the seed the HE is and always was the "problem "and she's done everything "any mother " would do with such a problem child. She controls the narrative. Gaslighting and manipulation
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Absolutely. Can I add that she thinks she's got this under control? Like I said, she's cocky, and just like all the many other times she successfully controlled the narrative, it doesn't occur to her she won't this time too. Hence her brazen preemptive strike doing the mini-media tour and People article about this.
Only she doesn't have control. It's blowing up in her face. Her own sheeple aren't buying what she's selling. And her show is going down in the tubes for it. It's rather surreal to watch.
Winsomeone (#52), maybe their gift was not getting sent away by their mother.
Or maybe the real gift was turning 12, and knowing that in 6 short years, they will be out from under the thumb of the woman who says she's in charge, and that's never gonna change.
Admin (#54), remember that couch interview, when Jon said he was tired of being J&K+8 and wanted to just be Jon Gosselin again? TFW sat right beside him and said, with her stupid little pantomime gesture, that they needed to "iron things out." He had made his feelings crystal clear, and yet she was controlling the narrative. A grown man, her husband, her life partner, was not entitled to his feelings. She had to edit and translate them for him. Is it any wonder he had his crazy skirt-chasing frat boy stage when the marriage ended?
And what happened? TFW dumped Jon, and kept the show, and the gravy train continued to chug along (just like the 12-year-old son she sent away). So why would she think this time things will end any differently?
I am by NO means judging someone who doesn't go to church. Heck, she can live in a yurt and worship a picture of Donny Osmond. ******* LOL! Comment of the day. Bottom line- she's a hypocrite who used her faith to dupe Christians into giving her money.
Tucker's Mom (#58), sheesh, wasn't having organic food at their birthday party any 12-year-old's dream come true? What gift could top that?
So am I to understand there were no friends invited to this party? That clannish stuff may have flown for a 2-year-olds' party, but not a 12-year-olds'. If TFW had the slightest insight into the brain of a preteen, she'd know that friends are a huge part of their lives and their very identities.
Collin has tried and tried with Kate. That adorable mother and cub bear he bought her was just too sweet. So much thought went into it. It's heartbreaking seeing Kate's reaction when he gave it to her. =================
I also remember the episode where Kate publicly chastised him on camera for calling one of the girl's hair "ugly".
If she felt she needed to say something to him, she could have stopped the cameras and spoke to him privately. But no, she had to make sure it was filmed.
I can just imagine how Collin felt when they watched that episode.
All the fans who keep on waxing on about what great birthday parties Kate throws and how "creative" she is, should go to her website and see what they did for their birthday when they weren't filming on TLC's dime.
In 2012, a tea party for the girls and a Lego party for the boys, both held at home.
In 2013, they had a pizza party, again, held at home.
But when they film, the sky's the limit!! Kate's only "creative" ideas are how to milk it for all it's worth.
All the fans who keep on waxing on about what great birthday parties Kate throws and how "creative" she is, should go to her website and see what they did for their birthday when they weren't filming on TLC's dime.
In 2012, a tea party for the girls and a Lego party for the boys, both held at home.
In 2013, they had a pizza party, again, held at home.
But when they film, the sky's the limit!! Kate's only "creative" ideas are how to milk it for all it's worth. ***************************************
Yep. In a lot of ways, the show has always been about fulfilling Kate's bucket list/making up for the things she felt she didn't receive as a child. The multiples are just a means to the end/just a way to make it happen.
They each had a friend at their party. And oddly enough it seems Collin's "friend" was invited too. Without Collin there! Who else would the extra boy be?There were five boys and six girls I think.
She thinks this is a master mother move - I can't help my child, so I will pay someone who can. She has mentioned time and again, that this is the best place for him, and that he is getting what he needs - so wouldn't all parents agree with this?
The problem is, she is taking absolutely NO accountability in her role in C ending up this way. Yes, there are probably chemical imbalances that contribute to this. But the prevailing narrative, is that this is solely HIS problem to deal with. How can she say that this has brought the family closer, when they are in no way involved in his treatment. And more specifically her - where is her therapy to help her son deal with this??
No matter how much she hates Jon, wouldn't you want your son to be in a familiar environment, with someone that you know loves them? She really is still very bitter and angry about the divorce - no matter how many times she says she is over it. I think this is why so many of us have such a visceral reaction to this - we are all thinking about C, and how abandoned he must feel. No matter how she spun it to the child, (life skills my ass!), she seems to have no empathy for him at all in this situation.
Of all the top 10 lists over the years of her F-ups, this tops them all.
Do you really not comprehend that you know nothing about this child and his issues? You have seen small snippets of him on television. Nothing more. That does not give you a basis for judgment of this child's psychological health.
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The idea that you would classify over ten years of intimate filming of this child as mere "snippets" is interesting.
A lot can be observed about Collin. For instance, his good eye contact, his excellent verbal skills, good spacial reasoning, good communication skills, and good problem solving skills. We have also seen how he reacts emotionally to various events, and his ability to have good control of his emotions, expressing them when appropriate.
If you watch someone win a chess game on TV against a master, it's reasonable to conclude from that "snippet" they are probably fairly intelligent, and fairly good at chess. One need not get a psychological assessment to conclude as such.
I haven't the foggiest idea what a psychologist would say about him, of course. But it's perfectly reasonable for me to remark that given what we DO see, and it's been a lot, and given my experience with children who truly do have issues they require institutions I would be surprised if he had issues so intensive as to require a MANDATORY lock-up like this.
I have no ruled it out, I simply said I'd be surprised. If he is, he presents so high functioning as to be unlike any other child I have worked with who requires this level of care. Maybe he simply is that rare child who presents very well, I have no idea. But please don't scold me for a reasonable opinion.
Shit's gettin' real! Can't wait to find out what's happening.
Darren Kavinoky @DarrenKavinoky 23h23 hours ago I'll be on @TheInsider on @cbs at 7PM PST tonight talking about the Jon Gosselin and Kate Gosselin custody case. #TuneIn
Talk about a strange world. The guy who's pictured with Jon, I guess at a hearing or or something, is a legal analyst who actually works for Discovery! He is apparently the interviewer for this segment airing tonight.
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I also remember the episode where Kate publicly chastised him on camera for calling one of the girl's hair "ugly".
If she felt she needed to say something to him, she could have stopped the cameras and spoke to him privately. But no, she had to make sure it was filmed. ****** OMG, Kate made a mountain out of a mole hill. She ignores the girls hitting, spitting and shoving, but Colin said something any brother says to his sister out of normal teasing and she makes a Federal case. Jeez, my brother would have been sent away permanently with the names he called me.
So am I to understand there were no friends invited to this party?
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There were about 9-10 other kids at the birthday party (a total of about 15 if you include the tups). They all seemed to have a good time despite TFW's attempt to control almost every aspect of it.
Kim @AussieKimm 8h8 hours ago @Kateplusmy8 Loved your date with #Vann, he was incredibly nice & hope u go on another date soon. Let us know, has it happened yet ;) ****** You just have to feel sorry for some of these fans. I'm sure they are just oblivious to how production, and Kate, work. Vann seemingly escaped the creeping stench of associating with Kate Gosselin by running far, far away, and never looking back.
Yes, Collin appears to me to be the brightest and most creative of the tups, and also the most affectionate, verbally advanced and most willing to help. Yes, I have seen his compulsive tendencies and arguing with his siblings but he IS high functioning and unless there is something major we don't know, or he is in foster care, I don't know what he is doing in an institution. I think Kate could not control him as he got older- she said as much. Maybe he fought back one day- Hannah said he was abused, and this locked-in basement room would be grounds for removal I would think. Of course we don't know but we have been 'invited' into the hearth and home ( ahem) of this family for 10 years.
But please don't scold me for a reasonable opinion.
*********** Saying we've seen snippets is like saying Kate has a little addiction to fame. Uh, we've seen WAY more than snippets, not to mention, lest ye forget, we've read a good deal of Kate's diary. The one where she details physically abusing her children, which was SO bad, it has us questioning whether some of the kids sustained closed head injuries.
Sherri (#68), thanks for clearing that up about other kids being there. I didn't notice anyone commenting on it, so I assumed no non-G kids were invited. My bad.
Sad but true said... 66 Shit's gettin' real! Can't wait to find out what's happening.
Darren Kavinoky @DarrenKavinoky 23h23 hours ago I'll be on @TheInsider on @cbs at 7PM PST tonight talking about the Jon Gosselin and Kate Gosselin custody case. #TuneIn ***************************** If this guy is a legal analyst or Discovery, he must have permission to weigh in on the custody case, Kate not disclosing where Colin is placed, etc.
I have a feeling Katie Irene may be sporting tire tracks after this---Discovery is probably going to subtly start distancing themselves from her/her actions.
I agree with Admin.. he was removed from the home. My sense is Kate could no longer control him and he fought back physically. Her solution for quite a while was to isolate him, punish him by not seeing his father, forcing chores on him, and medicating him (who the hell is that Doctor?)
I hope Colin opens up more and more regarding his abuse. Many fans who have always supported Kate are now voicing their disgust that he was not at his filmed birthday party and that Jon has been denied knowledge of where his son is. Keeping Collin from Jon was her way of making sure he did not blab to Jon. Except for Hannah, the others were brainwashed to keep their mouths shut to dad. This is a horrible situation and a judge needs to step in NOW.
Also, there are many comments from fans disgusted with Mady, too. Who can support Kate's parenting style when her daughter is so disrespectful? The show is very uncomfortable watch.
I haven't the foggiest idea what a psychologist would say about him, of course. But it's perfectly reasonable for me to remark that given what we DO see, and it's been a lot, and given my experience with children who truly do have issues they require institutions I would be surprised if he had issues so intensive as to require a MANDATORY lock-up like this.
I have no ruled it out, I simply said I'd be surprised. If he is, he presents so high functioning as to be unlike any other child I have worked with who requires this level of care. Maybe he simply is that rare child who presents very well, I have no idea. But please don't scold me for a reasonable opinion. _________________________________________________________ I agree Admin. As I've mentioned before, one of my sons has behaviourial issues. I see the same things in C. While we don't know how he reacts in a school situation, obviously his previous expulsion, as well as Kate stating that he was at a different school last year than his siblings, it's reasonable to think that he experiences anxiety in stressful situations.
I've always said to my family - if it weren't for the issues we had at school with our son, we probably wouldn't have got him the help he needed as soon as we did. Yes, there were behaviourial issues at home, but we were learning how to manage them. School is a totally different beast.
Imagine C coming home from a stressful and frustrating day at school, to be barked and ordered to complete his chores, etc., and she's surprised he had meltdowns?
My son is almost the same age as C - he has had therapy for the last 4yrs, with medication for the last 2. We as parents, have had therapy and info sessions for the last 4 years as well. Our kid has come a long way - a lot of emotional regulation comes with maturity. And as parents, we have to help him along the way - you know, with his "life skills". Along with his doctor, the plan is to take him off medication at the end of the school year, and continue with therapy after that.
There are still issues (I just got a call from the school in the middle of writing this), but you deal with them as they occur. We are his parents - its our problem too.
Susan1956 said... 77 Sad but true said... 66 Shit's gettin' real! Can't wait to find out what's happening.
Darren Kavinoky @DarrenKavinoky 23h23 hours ago I'll be on @TheInsider on @cbs at 7PM PST tonight talking about the Jon Gosselin and Kate Gosselin custody case. #TuneIn ***************************** If this guy is a legal analyst or Discovery, he must have permission to weigh in on the custody case, Kate not disclosing where Colin is placed, etc.
I believe that TFW said that the boys got a 10 minute head start because they were one boy short (or something like that). She did not substitute another boy hoping that everyone would think it was Collin.
"Who the hell is that Doctor?", good question. Reminds me of things I've read about Judy Garland when she was a young star at MGM. She was 'treated' by studio Doctors for weight "problems" which resulted in her having sleep "problems" and eventually became addicted to the "medication" which caused her to become a long time adult addict.
I believe that Insider segment aired last night, since the tweet about it was made yesterday morning. What was shown in the link someone posted above was probably the whole discussion that aired about the custody situation.
E!News Live also had a discussion about the custody situation.
I think one of the woman really nailed it when the question came up whether the children could ever grow up to be normal, healthy adults, especially when she said this about Collin:
"And, of course, he's having these behavioral issues, reportedly, that both parents have been open about talking about.
But no matter what, he will eventually carry the scarlet letter, if you will for lack of a better phrase, of those behavioral problems, and the fact that it's all over the press, for the rest of his life. And I think it's getting too messy to still allow those kids to be the subject of such conversation."
Sad but true said... 66 Shit's gettin' real! Can't wait to find out what's happening.
Darren Kavinoky @DarrenKavinoky 23h23 hours ago I'll be on @TheInsider on @cbs at 7PM PST tonight talking about the Jon Gosselin and Kate Gosselin custody case. #TuneIn December 1, 2016 at 10:00 AM Sad but true said... 67 And here's a link to the story:
******* Shit gettin' real is right! I think it could finally be happening. Do this thing right. Start from scratch and level the G-D playing field. Everyone gets evaluated, and then, the kids and only the kids are the focus. Not filming, no Kate with her purse full of bills. The. Kids. Make Kate disclose every asset and bank account/holdings/investments to get her REAL total worth, and then decide if these kids really have to continue working to keep their home and school. Hopefully, BOTH parents get shared custody and PLEASE, I PRAY that Jon and Kate are ordered into counseling together so that they finally co-parent from her on out.
Good luck, Jon. I really, really hope this is finally happening for you and your kids' sakes.
Oh, first order of business, find Colin and become part of his care decision process and give him a REAL hug.
Keeping Collin from Jon was her way of making sure he did not blab to Jon. ******* I think the other kids have also been kept in the dark, haven't seen or spoken with Colin and don't openly discuss their feelings about it as a family, so Jon (and pretty much everyone except Steve) couldn't find out where Colin is. I think Kate wants full control of the narrative so she can try to make filming continue to work.
My son is almost the same age as C - he has had therapy for the last 4yrs, with medication for the last 2. We as parents, have had therapy and info sessions for the last 4 years as well. Our kid has come a long way - a lot of emotional regulation comes with maturity. And as parents, we have to help him along the way - you know, with his "life skills". Along with his doctor, the plan is to take him off medication at the end of the school year, and continue with therapy after that.
***** Your son is blessed to have his parents, Nicky. I'm sure you are both blessed to have him, too. I'm a bit teary because I know Colin has never had anything close to this kind of love, understanding and support.
http://www.eonline.com/videos/254920/kate-jon-gosselin-s-custody-battle-continues ***** Very spot-on observations and we are FINALLY seeing the notion of how messy and downright icky this is to watch, being discussed mainstream. People are finally appreciating how helpless these children are, caught between 2 feuding parents, all the while having their privacy shattered over and over and over again. People are finally choosing to give these kids their privacy and what's left of their childhoods back, instead of just ignoring what's really going to so that they have their Gosselin fix. It's about time people started to feel a bit guilty about being consumers of this travesty.
By the way, in the Insider clip, they showed part of Kate's interview that aired on Nightline. It included this quote from Kate, which wasn't shown in her GMA interview.
"Private information seems to make it's way to the tabloids and I need to put my children first".
She states it just before she says that she's known all along where Collin is, but the world doesn't know. So it was probably in reference to keeping Collin's location a secret.
But if she hadn't opened up to People about Collin's situation, and kept that information private and put her children first, there wouldn't be any tabloid stories in the first place.
I guess she doesn't consider it "private information" if she's the one that talks about it.
But if she hadn't opened up to People about Collin's situation, and kept that information private and put her children first, there wouldn't be any tabloid stories in the first place.
I guess she doesn't consider it "private information" if she's the one that talks about it.
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You're being way too logical for Kate.
It's the old barn door thing. She opens the barn door then gets mad when some horses run out? Of COURSE people are going to wonder where he is placed. That's human nature, human curiosity. I don't think anyone is requesting his address, but it's only natural people are curious about this.
If she never said a thing about this, no one would wonder. She takes no ownership of the fact that this goes directly back to her.
So Kate, being a nurse, most likely is a manipulator when it comes to symptoms, i.e. fertility, and perhaps she shared with Collin's doctor some made up shit and got medication prescribed and during filming she upped dosage. Same scenario with Alexis. I know it's an incredible thing to suggest, but I have, based upon what Robert disclosed and what has been aired by TLC and tweeted by Kate over the years, have no doubt that as a narcissist she manipulates people and the facts to suit her purpose. That People interview, IMO, was a pack of lies. It was deliberate because she knew questions would come up as to why Collin was not included in the upcoming season, so she preemptively set her narrative as a loving mom for her troubled son as the story for the public.
Bravo to you for doing what is needed to truly make your child the best he can be. My assumption with Kate (and granted, I don't deny that I'm somewhat biased against her) is that she took the path that was easiest for HER. The path that would enable her to continue her famewhore career. And I think that likely resulted in "Let's try the meds and see how we do" instead of getting Collin and any/all of the rest of them the necessary therapy, both individual and family, and special-needs education that they very likely needed. Instead we've seen her deny---for years---that any child of hers has a problem, and then, with very little warning, her proud announcement that she has sent him where he can learn "life skills" and that not even his father knows where that is.
Kate has earned her place as one of the most despicable people ever to run the gamut of easy fame and fortune by virtue of deception and collusion to deceive with a major network. I hope she becomes a cautionary tale for all of these people who can't wait to do something ridiculous for attention.
****** OMG, Kate made a mountain out of a mole hill. She ignores the girls hitting, spitting and shoving, but Colin said something any brother says to his sister out of normal teasing and she makes a Federal case. Jeez, my brother would have been sent away permanently with the names he called me. **** Yup, the scapegoat blacksheep
If this guy is a legal analyst or Discovery, he must have permission to weigh in on the custody case, Kate not disclosing where Colin is placed, etc.
I have a feeling Katie Irene may be sporting tire tracks after this---Discovery is probably going to subtly start distancing themselves from her/her actions.
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Now this is getting interesting. Could definitely be them angling themselves, making sure they're starting to take some kind of position on all this. What angle that would be I'm gonna guess gone are the 2009 days.
If she never said a thing about this, no one would wonder. She takes no ownership of the fact that this goes directly back to her. ******* The biggest problem is that Kate won't stop filming, no matter what. Her hand was forced with regards to revealing Colin's situation. She couldn't film without Colin and no one noticing. So, she chose to launch a PR campaign designed to introduce the bad news, while still maintaining all is well in Gosselinland. OK so far. But...when people saw reality in action-what it really means to just go on filming like nothing happened, well, it's like slapping clear windows on a sausage factory.
Tucker's Mom (#96), and I think it was one thing for all of us to be shocked by her nonchalant attitude as she blithely tweeted away about Puppypalooza while her young son was sent away. But it's another to watch her merrily hosting the BEST BIRTHDAY EVER (her caps), while one of her "six pack" is conspicuous in his absence.
You know what's chilling? She may be reading those viewer comments and thinking, I just don't get it. She doesn't show those sad, concerned feelings about C because she truly doesn't FEEL those sad, concerned feelings. Again, I have no doubt that she loves all her children. But do I think she misses C, and sincerely regrets what's happened, and misses his presence daily? No.
I know there's supposed to be another Gosselins Give Back episode. Wonder what Miss Tone Deaf will be forced to help with for a paycheck, and how she'll relate it back to her own oh-so-challenging life.
But do I think she misses C, and sincerely regrets what's happened, and misses his presence daily? No. ****** Kate is very much an "out of sight, out of mind" person. Husbands, kids, dogs. Doesn't matter. She doesn't experience separation like we do. The "giving back" episode is New Orleans, I think.
The "giving back" episode is New Orleans, I think. ___
Yes, TLC said they go to "help with the hurricane." Sure, just what you want in the middle of a natural disaster, K8 + 7 + Steve + nannies + camera crew. Moreover, IIRC, that storm hit the inside of LA a lot harder than New Orleans. I wonder if they ventured inland at all.
The Insider video is not an interview with Jon. It's just that guy taking about how Jon is taking Kate to court for custody. I saw it somewhere. If I find it I will post it.
Yes, TLC said they go to "help with the hurricane." Sure, just what you want in the middle of a natural disaster, K8 + 7 + Steve + nannies + camera crew. Moreover, IIRC, that storm hit the inside of LA a lot harder than New Orleans. I wonder if they ventured inland at all.
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Kate's not fooling anyone. New Orleans was on her bucket list. I'm thinking there's a little bit of helping, and a lot of begneits, creole food, boat rides, Bourbon St. etc...
Sad but true (#101), I hope those poor storm-ravaged folks enjoy their signed copies of TFW's books. And if they were really lucky, maybe she shared her own harrowing storm experience with #SuperFunSandy.
In 2012, a tea party for the girls and a Lego party for the boys, both held at home.
In 2013, they had a pizza party, again, held at home.
But when they film, the sky's the limit!! Kate's only "creative" ideas are how to milk it for all it's worth.
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The sad thing is I bet those simpler parties were better. But she didn't do them because that kind of simple thing is really what kids want and need. She did it because she's cheap, and doesn't even try when there is no filming.
The sad thing is I bet those simpler parties were better. But she didn't do them because that kind of simple thing is really what kids want and need. She did it because she's cheap, and doesn't even try when there is no filming.
******* The kids should be doing lower-key things by this age. Even separate things.
I'll bet she didn't need an overflowing cart full of party decorations for the 2012 and 2013 parties unlike the one she had for the 12th birthday party (courtesy of TLC of course).
Based on all the prior (filmed) b'days and the infinite trips to Party City, she should have had a shit-ton of decorations available to make things festive. I don't recall seeing that in her photos. Too much work, I guess, when you're not getting paid to do it.
Anonymous said... 109 I'll bet she didn't need an overflowing cart full of party decorations for the 2012 and 2013 parties unlike the one she had for the 12th birthday party (courtesy of TLC of course).
bm ****** Or $$$$$ custom cake(s) and all the crap she could stuff into a shopping cart.
Re this Kavinoky guy, if he knows what he's talking about, he says that the only interest the judge will have is what is in the best interests of the children. If that holds true, it is hard to imagine Jon will not at least get increased visitation---and maybe the kind that cannot be cancelled at Kate's whim.
He's a bit of a showboat, and there's really no new info, but it was a decent soundbite.
The preview for next week's episode shows Kate and the kids in a fancy restaurant setting and she is explaining that beignets (spelling?) are the French version of doughnuts.
And those of us parents that know - medication is NOT a magic pill. In our instance, it allowed our son to actually be open to therapy - he wasn't in the head space before to even take it in.
But I will say, a big misconception about medication for mental issues, is that it makes the kids zombies. If you have the right doctor, who believes in low and slow (start with low dose, and slowly increase over time), it allows to to see if it is actually working. For us - it was a long process to see if it was effective.
It is a lot of work - something that Kate really knows nothing about.
But I will say, a big misconception about medication for mental issues, is that it makes the kids zombies. If you have the right doctor, who believes in low and slow (start with low dose, and slowly increase over time), it allows to to see if it is actually working. _____
But here's the problem with that re K8: Having been a nurse, she has shown over and over that she thinks she knows better than the doctors (many many examples of this in Hoffman's book). And if she wanted her two (presumably) hyper kids to be "chill," I don't think she'd hesitate to make her own decisions about dosage. I wonder how closely her doctor has been supervising these meds. I hope the answer is, very closely.
If this guy is a legal analyst or Discovery, he must have permission to weigh in on the custody case, Kate not disclosing where Colin is placed, etc.
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I don't think he has to have anyone's permission to talk about the case. He comments and gives his opinion on legal issues all of the time on his own program as well as an analyst on HLN, CNN, etc.
I've never heard of "The Insider" before the info was posted above so I looked it up. It's on a local Fox station where I live and it airs at 4am. The show appears to be syndicated and the station and time it airs will vary if anyone else tries to find it.
In next weeks preview, the Gosselins are in the French restaurant and it looks upper, uber, elite, fancy. TFW is checking her phone and the maitre d' caught her and the camera shows the look on his face and he ain't happy, at all.
I hope he read her the riot act. I can't wait to see which restaurant it was because I want to find out the cell phone and electronic device policies there.
She was checking her phone and said something about putting it in her pocket after he said something to her with a mean look.
The preview for next week's episode shows Kate and the kids in a fancy restaurant setting and she is explaining that beignets (spelling?) are the French version of doughnuts.
"Giving back" my patootie. ****** I think your spelling is correct ;-) Yeah, this was another bucket list item TLC got to check off for Kate. It had to have cost a pretty penny to film this, yet TLC isn't promoting her hardly at all.
GollyGee said... 120 In next weeks preview, the Gosselins are in the French restaurant and it looks upper, uber, elite, fancy. TFW is checking her phone and the maitre d' caught her and the camera shows the look on his face and he ain't happy, at all. ***** Hmmm... is TLC RV'ing Kate again?
Do you really not comprehend that you know nothing about this child and his issues? You have seen small snippets of him on television. Nothing more. That does not give you a basis for judgment of this child's psychological health.
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I know you're not talking to me, but I would like to interject something here that is more than just speculation. I do know that this child was expelled from Kindergarten because of psychological/behavioral/social issues. There's no doubt about it.
The person who was called in to help him is absolutely top-notch in her field of education, therapy and counseling. I have known her for years and am quite familiar with her area of training, experience and expertise. If she couldn't help him, then the problem with this young child would have been great enough to get him help that was much more intensive than what could have been done in a private school setting.
I saw the previews for next week and they are getting etiquette lessons at the table and the "teacher" tells them that a cardinal sin while eating is cell phones at the table. I believe that it was Mady on hers that he was talking about but others may have been on theirs as well.
I saw the preview for next week about no phones at the table. It seems like Kate says something along the lines of "well when you have 8 kids you need your phone at the table." Not sure if that is what happened but her kids were at the table with her! Well, all except Collin, but she didn't say "well when you send your son away..."
NJGal51 said... 124 I saw the previews for next week and they are getting etiquette lessons at the table and the "teacher" tells them that a cardinal sin while eating is cell phones at the table. I believe that it was Mady on hers that he was talking about but others may have been on theirs as well.
****** And don't chew with your mouth open or spit your food out! Proper dining etiquette is something that I hope the kids pick up somewhere, cuz it ain't happening at home where they get food plopped onto their plates, prison style.
The person who was called in to help him is absolutely top-notch in her field of education, therapy and counseling. I have known her for years and am quite familiar with her area of training, experience and expertise. ____
Was this person treating him all through his years at LCDS (after he was allowed back)? And was she specially called in BY the school just for him?
michelle @mnmomof2inohio 12h12 hours ago @Kateplusmy8 the tabloids are being brutal as is the haters.I feel saddened that people are so mean.I will say a prayer for you today😞💔🙏🏻
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack @mnmomof2inohio @Kateplusmy8 Sad indeed! #Tabloids R the reading material of the gossip mongers & people who live 4negativity! #SewerLit101
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 55s55 seconds ago Real life issues, doctors & specialists, the time came to step up & make the hard choice! #WhatMomsDo @Kateplusmy8
Amelia Earhart: "The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity."
Sad but true said... 128 First salvo of the day. Truth hurts, eh Doofus?
michelle @mnmomof2inohio 12h12 hours ago @Kateplusmy8 the tabloids are being brutal as is the haters.I feel saddened that people are so mean.I will say a prayer for you today😞💔🙏🏻
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack @mnmomof2inohio @Kateplusmy8 Sad indeed! #Tabloids R the reading material of the gossip mongers & people who live 4negativity! #SewerLit101
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Well I guess we'll find out when it goes to trial, huh?
Well, look who's on IG again. Guess all the questions about Alexis prompted her to trot her out for the photo. Although clearly by Alexis's expression, she knows she's been posed.
miloandjack2016 Oh whst a #GoodPapaDawg he is! #Shoka calmly supporting & listening to Alexis! I bet she will sleep well. Does he sleep in her room sometimes? @kateplusmy8
CC said... 125 I saw the preview for next week about no phones at the table. It seems like Kate says something along the lines of "well when you have 8 kids you need your phone at the table." Not sure if that is what happened but her kids were at the table with her! Well, all except Collin, but she didn't say "well when you send your son away..."
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Exactly! If you have all your kids with you why do you need your phone at the table? When I was a kid in the 70s we had a rule that we didn't even answer the (wall-hung) phone during dinner. And that was before answering machines.
Also interesting on IG: She hit 100K followers on Tuesday night. Usually that number increases by a couple hundred a day (99.4K, 99.6K, etc.), almost like clockwork. Since it got to 100K, though, the number has not moved at all, not even 100 new followers in 48 hours. Something does not compute. Maybe they stop with the hundreds when they get to 100K?
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 55s55 seconds ago Real life issues, doctors & specialists, the time came to step up & make the hard choice! #WhatMomsDo @Kateplusmy8
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Milo is scouring the internet for platitudes. The heck with the kids. What kids? It's all about Kate, always and forever, world without end. Amen.
When is Gladys getting her psych evaluation? The two of them can walk hand in hand to the clinic, locked together in love and lust.
You know she's hanging by a thread when she feels compelled to answer a question from Milo.
kateplusmy8 No he's stationed by the front door these days. His choice:) And Mak has taken over the boys room... Talk about adorable!!:) And I guess we know where Nanuq sleeps...in my room... and she even allows me to sleep here too lol @miloandjack2016
It is so irritating to see the fans write, over and over, that you can't judge Kate because she has 8 kids. You'd be stressed too, you'd yell a lot too, walk a mile in her shoes etc. Obviously they never put themselves in the kids' shoes. How can they ever think it is okay for those kids to be screamed at constantly by their mother? Wouldn't that be stressful for the kids? Is that fair to the kids? The answer, of course, is no. It's not fair to them, and it is not okay for them to be subjected to Kate's tirades. They are humans too. They have feelings. Their treatment at the hands of their mother will shape the adults they end up being. If there are issues due to the way their mother treated them, how can that ever be excused? It's not their fault there rare 8 of them.
I guess the day's developments call for chatting up the fans.
ginazap18Our puppy (he's four) loves when my son reads and does homework. He is right next to him. So cute. 🐶🐶 @kateplusmy8 your puppies were so cute in the last episode. Made us want another one. Love watching your show!!
mamamiamarcie Are you going to breed and sell puppies? They are beautiful dogs. I'm sure people would line up and pay up for one of your pups. 😃
kateplusmy8 Aaden almost always does his homework sitting right next to Mak. For some reason the cuteness combination of my kids and my fur kids chokes me up often...probably partly bc I'm getting more sentimental by the day now, lol! :) @ginazap18
Awww, she's all choked up. But of course. And don't get her thinking about people lining up to pay for pups. She'll get $$$$ in her eyes.
You know it was only a few years ago that Kate was baking her own bread, doing it "all alone", and posting pic after pic of her perfect family to show how well-adjusted they were. And Milo was constantly tweeting about what a great mom she was! And how their family was happy and healthy and well-adjusted! And they worked together and learned so many valuable things from their perfect mother!
We knew it wasn't true, and now it's obvious. If C had such behavioral issues to be sent away you know that house was no haven of peace, love and tranquility.
There is a restaurant in Atlanta that has big, round wooden tables and chairs and they make the food and put it in the nice old fashioned McCoy, Fire King and nice dishes and bowls. About 8 people at a table and it is like at your grandmothers!
People sitting next to each other that have never met. The pass the dishes and bowls of food around and serve themselves. There is a line very deep to eat there for lunch. When it is time to replenish the bowls of food, a waitress brings a fresh bowl of collard greens, mac and cheese.
I could not imagine TFW and the kids at this place. She is too controlling.
It is so irritating to see the fans write, over and over, that you can't judge Kate because she has 8 kids. You'd be stressed too, you'd yell a lot too, walk a mile in her shoes etc. Obviously they never put themselves in the kids' shoes.
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I don't recall that being said before unless I missed it, but what an excellent comment. Why must we always put ourselves in Kate's shoes? Why can't we put ourselves in the children's shoes???
Walk a mile in the shoes of a child alienated from a loving father, who have completely lost any hope of private childhoods, who are being raised by a narcissist and a revolving door of nannies and camera crews. Who endured physical and emotional abuse on numerous occasions. Why does understanding of Kate take priority over thinking of them and what their lives look like under her reign?
Layla said... 140 It is so irritating to see the fans write, over and over, that you can't judge Kate because she has 8 kids. You'd be stressed too, you'd yell a lot too, walk a mile in her shoes etc. ____
But the thing that makes me craziest about this sort of argument is, it DENIES that ALL this was Kate's choice! Not my choice, not your choice, HER choice. I get not wanting the selective reduction for religious reasons (well, for as long as that schtick lasted). But since I really do believe she actively engineered this HOM event, she bloody well chose her own frickin' shoes, and I have no interest in walking in them or an iota of sympathy for her situation---although I do feel very sorry for her children.
People who already have two children they can barely afford have no business looking to get knocked up again, unless they EXPECT other people to help them out. The fans refuse to factor in her irresponsibility for the whole state of affairs. Jon's role, I believe, was not only incidental, it was probably not even conscious, in the sense that he had no idea this was her goal. That doesn't mean he's off the hook responsibility-wise, just that I think she pretty much rooked him from the get-go. And yes, that's HIS mistake and oh boy is he paying for it. So this whole line of argument, from my point of view, is the very height of absurdity.
@localyocul I remember a year ago when the fans would claim how all of Kate's kids look happy and healthy and how Kate claimed that they were all at the top of their classes.Obviously none of Kate's fans can say that anymore ever since the Collin situation.I really hope someone saved that tweet from milo where she straight up blamed Collin for his issues by saying something along the lines of"At least Kate has 1 kid who gives her problems out of 8."or something along those lines.
Sad but true said... 149 localyocul said... 143 You know it was only a few years ago that Kate was baking her own bread, doing it "all alone" . . . ___
I still laugh out loud when I think of her yoghurt-maker with the French "receptacle." :) Good times.
in reply to Fired Up 4 Kate Bullysh1tville @Bullyvile1 30m30 minutes ago @MiloandJack @mnmomof2inohio @Kateplusmy8 I agree Milo,remember when the tabs were spreading negative rumors bout jon being homeless?
LOL!! Remember when Milo was spreading negativity and rumors about Jon having a restraining order against him, and stealing food from Kate? She certainly has done her share of spreading rumors and innuendo. What a dope.
Sad, 147...Milo did have an off switch, but LOM has used it so often that it's broken and is no longer functional.
I still laugh about the bread maker that sliced the bread as it baked!
And don't chew with your mouth open or spit your food out! Proper dining etiquette is something that I hope the kids pick up somewhere, cuz it ain't happening at home where they get food plopped onto their plates, prison style.
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And Mom sits there with her arms and elbows on the table, slouched over, shoveling food into her mouth. Her table manners are appalling.
in reply to Fired Up 4 Kate Bullysh1tville @Bullyvile1 30m30 minutes ago @MiloandJack @mnmomof2inohio @Kateplusmy8 I agree Milo,remember when the tabs were spreading negative rumors bout jon being homeless?
LOL!! Remember when Milo was spreading negativity and rumors about Jon having a restraining order against him, and stealing food from Kate? She certainly has done her share of spreading rumors and innuendo. What a dope.
_____________ Milo is too dumb. She wouldn't get the irony in the tweet.
I am sure that if I had 8 kids I would not be like Kate. I would hug them and kiss them and tell them they are loved. Of course they would misbehave in the ways kids do but I would not beat them. I would be frustrated and exhausted. But 8 kids did not force Kate to be the way she is. That is her personality.
There's a lot we don't know about brains. We do know that being preemie can cause developmental issues (can not will). Early intervention is the most helpful but parents have to ask for help. Sometimes problems aren't noticed until school age. As any teacher can tell you, you don't get 8 identical children in your classroom. Yet these kids were forced to be identical. Hold some back, push others forward, only the middle ones do well. I don't even know if LCDS has the different special ed classrooms that a public school would have. I doubt it. In public school, C could have been in a class with an IEP, more individual attention, maybe an aide assigned to him. Instead Kate somehow forced LCDS to take him back. Eventually, he must have been completely out of sync with the others his age.
If there is a custody trial, it's not open to the public is it?
There is a restaurant in Atlanta that has big, round wooden tables and chairs and they make the food and put it in the nice old fashioned McCoy, Fire King and nice dishes and bowls. About 8 people at a table and it is like at your grandmothers!
People sitting next to each other that have never met. The pass the dishes and bowls of food around and serve themselves. There is a line very deep to eat there for lunch. When it is time to replenish the bowls of food, a waitress brings a fresh bowl of collard greens, mac and cheese.
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We have quite a few similar restaurants here, family-style restaurants. It's mostly the tourists who frequent them because to them, it's a rural, country type thing that they've never seen before.
The big bowls of real live mashed potatoes, swimming in butter, are to die for. No collard greens, though. Not healthy food on those tables, just down-home PA Dutch cooking, lots of it fried. I do remember having fresh-picked dandelion salad with hot bacon and egg dressing, there in the spring (Easter dinner).
jolie Jacquelyn said... 153 Reading TFW's instagram, it looks like the dogs are on guard duty. _____
Shoka has always slept by (or outside in front of) her front door, his bed's been pictured out there many times. As for Mak? I wonder if he's sleeping in the boys' room to prevent them from escaping.
LOL, I'm beginning to think that LOM must be very adept at deflection, you couldn't be with someone like this 30+ years and not be an expert at tuning out.
Ncgirl (#150), and it would've been infinitely more helpful if TLC had taken whatever it cost to do this episode (airfare, hotels, meals for TFW, the kids, Steve, and the crew) and just made a lump donation to the cause. Whatever "giving back" we see probably caused more trouble than it helped -- between getting permits, and the invasive camera crew, and the spectacle of TFW and the kids. Gimme a break.
Fleecing The Sheeple (#154), don't forget Ma Kettle reaching across the table to grab other people's food, like she did at that fancy restaurant with Jon. If he'd done the same with her food, she probably would've stabbed him with her fork.
I am not on Twitter. I do not have a Twitter account. I have never had a Twitter account, but I noticed that many times my comments on here end up on Kate's TL! ;)
What's new with the Church Basement Ladies? Has Boosh and/or Ted Cruise kilt anyone else? Do they still want the electrical college abolished? I get a big kick out of them. Their Malapropisms are priceless.
Maybe Mak has taken over the boys' room because he senses their loss, and wants to be their companion while their brother is away. Their mother seems to be blind to how that loss is effecting them.
And I don't believe for a moment that TFW gets choked up about anything. She's as sentimental as a jock strap (gosh, I miss AuntieAnn).
. I do remember having fresh-picked dandelion salad with hot bacon and egg dressing, there in the spring (Easter dinner). ***** OMG, warm bacon dressing wilting fresh spinach below, with hard boiled eggs and bits of crispy bacon... People don't know what they're missing!
FlimsyFlamsy said... 167 Maybe Mak has taken over the boys' room because he senses their loss, and wants to be their companion while their brother is away. Their mother seems to be blind to how that loss is effecting them.
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Or maybe Mak misses Collin and wants to be where his scent is.
Localyocul (#170), aw, that might be right, too. Are the kids allowed to talk about how they feel with their mom? We all know TFW considers their father public enemy #1. But is C an acceptable topic of conversation? I do hope all the kids, are receiving some sort of emotional support somehow, and a safe place to share their feelings. Because if TFW's tweets and the birthday episode is any clue, the loss of their brother at home is simply out of sight, out of mind.
Six months is an awfully long time. And I just realized -- now it's 6 girls (including TFW) against 2 boys in that house. They're doomed.
There was no hurricane in New Orleans. There was flooding from rain event. Geez.
Time to show Alexis on Instagram. Obviously, Kate reads here. So all is right with the world, Kate? No drugged up daughter? No banished son? Dogs are like your children? No Jon taking you to court? Ratings are A-OK and TLC will support you matter what?
Exactly! If you have all your kids with you why do you need your phone at the table? When I was a kid in the 70s we had a rule that we didn't even answer the (wall-hung) phone during dinner. And that was before answering machines.
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Yep! Not only were we not allowed to answer the phone during any family meal, but those who called over mealtimes were labeled "rude" by my mother. Lol.
It's a little different now, since it's so much easier to just send a text or leave a voice mail and the person can get back to you at their convenience, but there is something to be said for making sure that family meal times are free of distractions.
That said, I don't think it's appropriate for a waiter to sneer at someone on their phone. If they want to be uncouth that's their choice.
I think they were at a manners or etiquette class which was why the man was telling them to put their phones away, that it's considered bad manners and Kate thought she'd be cute by hiding it under her leg. You know, Ms. Rule Follower?
Sad but true said... 161 jolie Jacquelyn said... 153 Reading TFW's instagram, it looks like the dogs are on guard duty. _____
Shoka has always slept by (or outside in front of) her front door, his bed's been pictured out there many times. As for Mak? I wonder if he's sleeping in the boys' room to prevent them from escaping.
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I think it is wonderful that Mak is staying in the boys room at night. He knows Collin is missing. It has to be some comfort to A and J.
She is such a horrible mother. Even though what has come out so far, I am afraid much more is going to come out during the trial that is going to be so outrageous and unforgivable on TFW's watch.
I hope this doesn't happen.
Sad, but true, when you said, that Mak was there so the boys wouldn't escape, it reminded me of the AG episode of Barney's Bloodhound. Barney is being kept hostage in a cabin in the woods by a crook and Barney's dog, named Blue is watching him.
Barney raises up out of the chair and tries to step quietly to the door and Blue jumps up, barks and alerts the crook. The crook praises Blue and tells him to keep an eye on him. Reminds me of TFW, a controller, ruling with an iron fist.
FlimsyFlamsy #167 And I don't believe for a moment that TFW gets choked up about anything. She's as sentimental as a jock strap ************* *coffee thru nose* !! But yeah, she can't muster up a fake tear when explaining about Colin but cries at the site of her dogs...geez.
Kris (#174), when the etiquette guy was talking to her, TFW probably just heard "blah blah blah" -- like she admitted about the dog breeder. And who could forget her mocking that poor tour guide who was trying to share interesting stories on the train?
TFW has shown herself to be a very ill-mannered woman. How there are still fans who see her as a role model is beyond me.
That said, I don't think it's appropriate for a waiter to sneer at someone on their phone. If they want to be uncouth that's their choice. ======== It wasn't a waiter that said something about the phones. TFW said that they took an etiquette class and the comment of phones at the table was during the class.
My thoughts are that Maks was brought in to take the place of Collin. He's now in the boys' room. So I guess Nanuk is Nala's replacement? Unless Alexis is on her way out the door too...
Maybe Mak has taken over the boys' room because he senses their loss, and wants to be their companion while their brother is away.
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Or maybe Mak misses Collin and wants to be where his scent is. ------------- I'd just say that Kate wants to make sure someone will let the dog out or clean up after him during the night.
Why hasn't Gladys mentioned the 100K Insta followers? She's falling down on the job. Spending too much time scouring the internet for treacly platitudes. We've mentioned it here a few times -- I thought surely she'd carry the news over to TFW. #InstaSensation#PicturePerfectMom#CWho?
Oh yes, if you look at Facebook comments or the comments on articles about Kate, the fans always defend her by saying "you'd be stressed too if you had 8 kids", "you'd yell a lot if you had 8 kids", "don't judge unless you've walked in her shoes", etc. never a mention of walking in the kids' shoes. They are raised with a shrew who screams and freaks out about every little thing, and who excuses her behavior by blaming it on the fact that she has 8 kids. She's putting the blame on the kids--it is their fault that she yells so much. They are growing up with not just the dysfunction of all that screaming, but also the guilt for being the cause of it all.
Kate and her supporters use the classic abuser's reasoning--"it's your fault I treat you this way".
Was this person treating him all through his years at LCDS (after he was allowed back)? And was she specially called in BY the school just for him?
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I don't know. That's a confidential matter between the child, the school, and the therapist. I didn't know that she was called in until the communication (mentioning her name) was made public.
Is it possible to find out when the trial is? At the very least I hope he finds out where C is..that evil narcissistic bitch. ...sorry can't the cruelty anymore
I don't know. That's a confidential matter between the child, the school, and the therapist. I didn't know that she was called in until the communication (mentioning her name) was made public. ____
"Made public" as in the general public? Or only to people connected to the school?
One more question, I know you don't like to be specific, but in YOUR opinion, was Collin's removal from her home the only right course for him? Or do you feel she went to the extreme of the options available to her?
Layla (#183), and TFW has been on the record saying 2 absolutely horrific things. That finding out she was pregnant with the 6 (then it was 7) was the worst day of her life. And that if she had it to do all over again, she wouldn't.
I have a friend who had 2 much older siblings, and her mother often referred to her to other people as "her little mistake." She is now SIXTY years old, and has never quite gotten over that. Words hurt.
kris said... 174 I think they were at a manners or etiquette class which was why the man was telling them to put their phones away, that it's considered bad manners and Kate thought she'd be cute by hiding it under her leg. You know, Ms. Rule Follower?
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She is a Contract Honorer, just ask Dr. Lafair.
She does what she wants, when she wants and moves on, leaves people in the destruction, aftermath and DUST and was never held accountable.
Until now. I think that day is here now.
I would like to know if Collin is actually there sitting at the table with his brothers and sisters at the French restaurant.
From what has been released, Tuesday's episode looks like a total snooze fest. If they did any "giving back", it was the bare minimum they could get away with. And etiquette lessons? How laughable. This is a woman completely lacking anything resembling manners, and any one-time lesson will be lost on the kids, who are observing her on a daily basis. Who will they learn from, the one-time etiquette instructor or the mom who eats like a truck driver?
Sounds to me like they are completely out of ideas, and are trying to find ways of mixing up old stuff to make it seem new.
It looks like the birthday episode was the actual premiere and the 10-year thing was supposed to be a special. Last year, remember, the premiere was discussed on news programs for its low ratings. Last year's premiere got 955,000. This year it was 860,000. 95,000 lower. Moving in the right direction if you ask me!
jongosselin1VINYL!!! All new setup!!! It's taken 3 years!!! But thanks to very supportive family, friends and my lovely gf!!! I'm on my way to enjoying this craft!!! Thank you everyone! ^^^ Jon got dual vinyl turntables for DJing. Seems like he's busy and continuing to strive for improving his craft. I'm happy that he seems to be loving his new career, his gf, friends and family. That's my definition of success. Now, I hope he can get shared custody, REAL shared custody, and heal the deep wounds that have fractured his relationship with some of his children. It would be wonderful for Jon to have all 8 kids gathered in his home, feeling free to speak their minds and live, at least momentarily, as free, private human beings.
What does Jon's work schedule look like? Does he usually work nights & weekends? Won't that be a problem with the judge?
It sure was a problem in my divorce. I had never had a job in my life when my husband left me. So I found a job as a waitress (nights & weekends) & the judge then gave him custody of our children because of my hours. Catch 22.
Tucker's Mom (#190), thanks for posting that. Vinyl is having a huge resurgence, and this could make Jon much more marketable for potential gigs. Things are looking up for him, both personally and professionally.
And then there's TFW -- sending a child away from home because she couldn't figure out how to help him, and frantically tweeting strangers in hopes of staying relevant. Who's the mediocre one?
You have seen small snippets of him on television. Nothing more. That does not give you a basis for judgment of this child's psychological health. ======= Because of Kate we know a lot about Collin. Kate co-hosted Entertainment Tonight with Mary Hart and talk about Colin and Alexis being kicked out of kindergarten. Then Kate went back on TV and said the reason for the kick out was medical and both were on now meds. Kate wrote three books detailing her kids' lives. Kate filmed over 150 hours of her kids daily lives and asked the public to tune in. Kate has given NUMEROUS magazine interviews and TV interviews about her kids. Kate has put her kids on numerous magazine covers. Kate told People magazine in 2010 that her kids were in bad trouble and that a therapist was going to their home. Also we have read her own words in her diary that was made public when the kids were toddlers and they just started filming. Her own words detailed her actions and thoughts about Colin when he was a small boy. Kate looked at the camera on her show and told us over a year ago that Collin would not be attending the same school as the other kids due to his behavior. Kate gave People magazine a whole cover article about Colin being away. The cover of the magazine had the whole family EXCEPT Colin. How cruel is that.
Shame on Kate for making her precious children public fodder. Of course we are going to speculate. All of America is. Just wait until a few years when Colin realizes ALL that been said by HIS Mother concerning his behavioral problems. NONE of this should have been made public. Kate should have said no more filming when she realized a few years ago some of her kids were not doing well. But fame and fortune is more important to her.
Why does all of America need to know that a wonderful 12 year old is removed from the home. I despise her for that. But she HAD to do it because she knew the public would be questioning it because her reality show about her kids were ready to air and we all would wonder where is Colin. She should have told TLC no more filming. Then all of America would not need to know Colin has behavioral problems.
I've noticed something interesting about TFW's Twitter behavior. In the early days, she tried to at least pretend to care about the fans' lives, saying things like, "What's new with you guys?" And "I've missed U!" Now she doesn't seem to even both. They provide undying support and compliments, and she accepts it.
And about that possible 13th birthday party including the fans...I actually think TFW would do it, IF it was filmed and televised, and she got a paycheck for it. But doing anything just out of the goodness of her heart to show her appreciation to the fans? Ain't gonna happen.
Why does all of America need to know that a wonderful 12 year old is removed from the home. I despise her for that. But she HAD to do it because she knew the public would be questioning it because her reality show about her kids were ready to air and we all would wonder where is Colin. She should have told TLC no more filming. Then all of America would not need to know Colin has behavioral problems.
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She chose a DECK for the safety, health and wealth of happiness over telling TLC to stop filming the children!
So happy for Jon! He is humble. He thanked his supportive family, friends, his GF. Jon's gigs are not every night. I believe he can get joint custody without a problem.
I love that Jon said on the interview, WHEN I get custody, I am making 2 calls, I can't remember the first one, but the second one was, TLC. TO STOP FILMING!
Wow, she must of exploded when she got wind of that!
I think Jon's job as a DJ is actually pretty good for having kids. He works hours that his kids will be asleep. It gives him a lot of time to spend with them after school and before bed. And all week long during the summer.
As long as he has someone in the home there with them while he's working at night I don't see why it would be a problem.
She is so crazy. She wants it private, then she blasts it on tv for the world to see forever. Blasts it on the internet for the world to see forever.
These words came out of her mouth.
We are on tv and that makes it YOUR BUSINESS.
You can't have it both ways! She has to do this to keep the money train going. Getting paid for showing pictures of the kids during interviews. Filming the show. Doing appearances.
It obviously doesn't matter to her what it is.
Even filming the birthday party without a birthday boy.
GollyGee (#195), yep, the deck was of dire importance to the health and well being of her family, and she said that was no exaggeration. That was her desperate attempt to thwart any chatter about the expense -- especially when we know her income is based on exploiting her kids.
Won't it be eye opening if some professional is hired to review Jon's and TFW's monthly spending habits in relation to being suitable parents? TFW has things like her hair extensions, botox, french tips, spa visits, clothes, etc. But I can't imagine she's spent much on groceries lately -- probably snagged a 6 months' supply of everything at Costco when it was on TLC's dime. I have no idea what Jon spends, but I do know those new turntables he was so excited about are for his job, which will hopefully win him back some custody time.
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She can coach them all she wants but the truth usually comes out. These are professionals and are expert in asking the same question many different ways to get to the truth especially if all the kids are saying the same thing in the same manner using just about the exact same words.
Denise @Mydmaxx 21h21 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 @TLC so have you given any thought to the 13th Birthday party planning to top this one? 😝
Kate Gosselin @Kateplusmy8 21h21 hours ago
@Mydmaxx @TLC YEP! The kids gave me the idea! It'll be outrageously fun! #KatePlus8
Well, she can always put it out on YouTube, I guess. But I doubt it will be "outrageously fun" without a TLC budget. In fact, I'm betting it won't happen at all.
"At least you have more so you won't be lonely"??? Some of these people are as crazy as K8 is.
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Not crazy, just wanted to bring to light what her actions and lack of emotions convey about the absence of one of her children. How that a child with such huge abandonment issues that it causes him to act out so bad that he is removed, yes I said removed, from his home and family, can find any peace and comfort in having him two hours away with only a few phone calls and one day a month visitation. That is such el toro poo poo it's not funny.
Oh my heart. What fear and abandonment that child must be feeling. His worst nightmare has come true. I speak from knowledge and experience. Unless you have gone through it you won't even come close to knowing what it's like to know with conviction in your little heart, true or not, that your mommy is going to forget you. There is nothing anybody can say to convince you differently. So many ideas, thoughts and questions go through your mind to no avail. Heck, even dad who once was your hero can't or doesn't want to help or he would have already done it.
Quick story and I'll be done. When I was 4 mom had a breakdown and I had to live with grandpa (german and scary) and his wife. There I was molested by 3 of her sons. When I told someone dad took me and would put me in nursery school while he worked. I remember standing at the door crying my eyes out as he walked away. My little mind just knew with an absolute assuredness that I would be ok at home by myself. He way later told me that that was one of the hardest things he has ever had to do, leaving me sobbing at the door. He thought it was hard on him? puffft! My little mind and heart just knew he wasn't coming back. day after day, after day. He did always come back but the abandonment feeling was stronger than the new truth. I still to this day have triggers, C being one, that will bring it all back to me without warning. It lurks beneath any help I have had to, what does Kate say, learn skills to be the best me I can be. EL TORO POO POO KATE!!! CAN YOU HEAR ME? YOU HAG! I'm going to push myself to the front when the book of life is opened for your accountability. I want to hear what you're going to say then. Remember the hurting the child, millstone and ocean scripture? What do you think He will be giving you? A crown of jewels or a fire extinguisher? Oh my, now I need to pray through. I will be judged out of that same book.
Ok, I'm finished. Except to say, "I wondered how long it would take to be posted here." hehe
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I'm so sorry njay.
There are so many of us that have triggers pulled because of watching what Kate's done and still is doing.
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Ratings in--860,000. I thought last night was her best chance to break a million, but that did 't happen. Good.
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I guess Gladys fell down on her PR job to hawk the show. On what are the sheeple blaming this dismal rating? It wasn't aired opposite DWTS this week.
I guess the only thing they can come up with is that it's too late for the teenybopper fans. I don't think that excuse will work, though. If they love Kate as much as they claim, they would have found a way to stay awake and watch The Best Mother On Planet Earth. After all, they admire her. She inspires them. They want her to adopt them, and they want recipes for popcorn that isn't burned.
I know nothing about psych evaluations (never had one, thank goodness, although at times my kids have thought I needed one), but can such an evaluation be faked, as in learning how to fool a polygraph?
While Collin may be treated better and helped with his issues wherever he is, home is home, and with his brothers, regardless of Kate's treatment.
He loves his mother, evident in the gift he chose and how he stood up for her while every other child booed her. I feel sad for him but hope he is happy and healthy one day.
As for Alexis, the other tup who does not visit Jon, I wonder how she is doing. She had similar issues to Collin's back in Kindergarten and appears angry and alienated at times. And why did Kate specifically ask Aaden if he was going to Jon's if he was one of the 'usual?' Very messed up.
The twins seem to despise both Mommy and the tups.And the girls the boys. And L and H, Alexis. Wow.
Rainbowsandunicorns said... 5
I know nothing about psych evaluations (never had one, thank goodness, although at times my kids have thought I needed one), but can such an evaluation be faked, as in learning how to fool a polygraph?
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If you have ever even informally taken an MMPI, you know, that as stated above, they ask certain questions in different ways over and over. They are designed to catch people who are malingering, or otherwise trying to alter the results of the test. They are validity questions and I guess there is a validity score that it has to surpass.
Njay, I am so sorry that happened to you.
If some of the other kids besides Collin are also on medication, then this suggests to me that they have issues that are a lot more serious than "behavior" problems.
Kate doesn't want to tell the truth because then she'll have to admit that SHE and her FAKE TV SHOW are the primary cause of those problems.
IG post
"At least you have more so you won't be lonely"
15 post.
"I wondered how long it would take to be posted here." hehe
Sorry, I was talking about the IG post
Wow, this Willis case is going nowhere fast. Sounds like the guy might be attempting an incompetency for trial? Maybe that's what Kate should go for.
http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/cheatham/2016/11/30/toby-willis/94669534/
Maybe they should have another scavenger hunt for the 13th birthday, and have the kids try to find Mommy's heart.
Tizzie said... 8
If some of the other kids besides Collin are also on medication, then this suggests to me that they have issues that are a lot more serious than "behavior" problems.
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People who watched said Alexis seems dopey. Since she was the other one expelled from school, that would make some sense. I wonder if Kate decided to medicate rather than do therapy/special needs education. Had she started on the latter course six years ago, when this came up, perhaps all of this could have been avoided. Or maybe not, but then that would mean she's been lying all along about how her kids are doing in school, etc. No surprise there, I guess.
If some of the other kids besides Collin are also on medication, then this suggests to me that they have issues that are a lot more serious than "behavior" problems.
Kate doesn't want to tell the truth because then she'll have to admit that SHE and her FAKE TV SHOW are the primary cause of those problems.
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She wanted to do it all alone and be known as the struggling single mom. That kind of backfired on her. If she is the cause of her kids' behavior problems and possible other issues, then Kate, the martyr, has nobody to blame but herself.
, I doubt him looking back on his siblings happily celebrating their birthday on TV without him will be good for his mental health. That's what really bothers me!
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Sounds like a good fleecing is brewing. There have been a handful of watershed moments on this show where she lost a whole bunch of otherwise loyal fans. I'm glad for the fans that many of them are recognizing despite the benefit of the doubt that this just doesn't smell right. Good, it shouldn't.
I am about 99% convinced he has been "placed" against her will. It would explain why he would be there for so long, and why her visitation appears to be somewhat limited. The limited visits might very well be because it's in his best interest to not be constantly disrupted by her instability, the things she says to him, etc., and not because she won't go as often as a loving mother would. Often, I advocate for less frequent but longer-hour visits for a mentally unstable child when the parent's presence deregulates them to the point where it takes them days to get back on track. In the meantime, the parent does therapy to try to learn how to control themselves around their child. Most states have kids placed in six month spurts, with the courts reviewing the placement every six months and deciding whether the child should go home or continue the six months. Of course you can always bring it back to court if something significant changes in the meantime. Very few placements this intensive are going to go this long without a placement order. Unless the issues are truly very serious, and I just don't see it in this case.
Since the kids are self-supporting, I imagine the judge would order that a GAL be paid out of their own funds.
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Yes in family law court usually the parents have to pay for them if they can afford it. It doesn't matter if they oppose an attorney for their kids, they're on the hook. In child abuse court not necessarily. I am never paid by the parents, I'm paid by the state.
The more she coaches these kids the more obvious it will be. A good judge, therapist, or attorney will see right through it. There are tell tale signs and red flags of coaching that can be spotted. I've seen many of them in the Gosselin children. When you've seen dozens of coached kids it becomes second nature both to identify it and if necessary to encourage a child to tell the truth--their truth, not their mother's.
There's a new article on People.com: "Terri Irwin's 'Heart Aches' That Late Husband Steve Isn't Alive for Their Son's 13th Birthday." There's a real live single mom. And one who would give anything to see her children have a dad again.
Shame on you, Kate Gosselin, for keeping your children's loving father away from them. These milestones will never come again: birthdays, holidays, school events.
YOU ARE A HORRIBLE MOTHER.
Sheepless In Seattle said... 13
She wanted to do it all alone and be known as the struggling single mom. That kind of backfired on her. If she is the cause of her kids' behavior problems and possible other issues, then Kate, the martyr, has nobody to blame but herself.
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She might not be the actual cause of all their problems, but I wonder if she insisted on keeping some of them in a school that was not really suited to their needs, due to her own vanity and the fact that she really couldn't be bothered trying to organize two different school schedules. Miss Organizer indeed. LCDS has a very generous vacation schedule, unlike public schools, and the breaks don't always coincide. Filming would only work if they were all on one schedule. I can definitely see her making this very selfish choice.
Adult words and phrases are a common red flag of coaching. Seen that in the twins. So is a child who is unable to explain why exactly they are so upset at their parent. Seen that in these kids too. Or, if they're mad about something a child normally wouldn't concern themselves with (daddy cheated, daddy was a day late with child support), that's a sign.
Another is a child who seems reluctant, torn, upset to say negative things, as if deep down they're realizing something is wrong about this. Saw that in Cara.
Sometimes, kids will just flat out admit their parent told them what to say, too young to understand why that's a problem.
If you have ever even informally taken an MMPI, you know, that as stated above, they ask certain questions in different ways over and over. They are designed to catch people who are malingering, or otherwise trying to alter the results of the test. They are validity questions and I guess there is a validity score that it has to surpass.
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Yes. There are many different tests out there and some doctors are better than others. But in general, assuming an excellent doctor, experienced in family law problems, who is current with all the best testing to give, I would say they are hard to fake. In fact, when people try to fake them, they will often come up on the test as quite literally, trying to fake it, guarded, etc. Which doesn't bode well.
I heard some fascinating testimony a couple months ago from someone who strictly does sex abuse evaluations to determine what their risk is of molesting kids, and there was extensive questioning on could it be faked. The end result was, yes and no. But mostly, no.
Ratings in--860,000. I thought last night was her best chance to break a million, but that did 't happen. Good.
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That's AWFUL! But, yea!!!
Big mistake to lead off the season with a clip show. Huge. I fear half the casual viewers didn't even quite catch on a real season was starting. I don't blame the late time, lots of shows do well at 10pm. It's run its course, and I also think there's a fair portion who don't want to watch this given the Collin situation.
According to the link I just posted they had a court date the day before thanksgiving and judge ordered Jon got to have kids for dinner. So that mannequin challenge was to make it look like she had all the kids
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I'm overjoyed for Jon that he got 4 of his children to celebrate Thanksgiving, even if just for a few precious hours.
If Kate really did tell Jon that he was ruining Thanksgiving, all I can say is that she'd better get used to it. She should have been sharing those kids on birthdays and holidays for 5 years now.
Her stranglehold on custody needs to be done.
It's time for the "realest reality" to set in.
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It looks like the mannequin challenge was filmed at night given the grainy video, and the kitchen and table didn't look like a huge thanksgiving feast had just happen, with leftovers and other things scattered about. Especially with how disorganized Kate is. And it looked like they were just digging into a couple desserts.
I hope that's true, they need to SHARE the holidays, FAIRLY. Jon's for dinner, then back later for dessert.
For many fans, I think Kate's behavior is *finally* putting a fine point on who she really is.
The mothers out there can not even *imagine* celebrating without a child-a child who is still living!
I think it's very hard to comprehend for those people who actually have a conscience, and are now realizing Kate does not.
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A lot of people just can't grasp things until it strikes too close to home. I imagine just like lots of parents out there, a lot of sheeple parents either have a child with special needs or are very close to a child with special needs, like a relative. Watching a mother who they thought was just like them handle this situation so differently than they could ever imagine may be the one thing they just can't get past. Finally.
Milo only took one stab at the old pinata today. I guess she couldn't find a suitable platitude for how to cope when faced with a court-ordered psych evaluation.
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The episode last night was the first one without Collin, and I think the most shocking--the family ignoring his very existence while they celebrate the best birthday (also his birthday) ever. That is, I think, going to be the one thing that causes her to lose viewers. I was just so heartless and cold. Who can relate to a supposedly loving mother doing such a thing?
If the fans who claimed they won't watch after this episode actually tune out, then there will be a noticeable drop next week. If not, then they don't really care what she does to those kids. Sadly, I would not be surprised to see that they really don't care.
The episode last night was the first one without Collin, and I think the most shocking--the family ignoring his very existence while they celebrate the best birthday (also his birthday) ever. That is, I think, going to be the one thing that causes her to lose viewers. I was just so heartless and cold. Who can relate to a supposedly loving mother doing such a thing?
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I haven't watched yet but it sounds like they really threw a misfire here in that it came across really tone deaf.
They would have been so much better off doing a real benign episode and storyline for the first time we truly see Collin GONE. Mady sands and paints an antique, the boys bake stuffed shells, Kate gets her nails done. Doing something so special as a big birthday and acting like it's no big deal let's move on that he's missing out on all this is just not going to play well no matter how you slice it.
I' guessing Mrs. Busby was young, inexperienced and immature. That kind of bravado, acting like an ass, and yanking around hooks insecure young women.
I'm betting he was her first real relationship.
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Their "in love" story is even more juvenile than Kate and Jon's.
Nothing in that story tells me what exactly she saw in him. They met working at Target. But she says nothing about him being a hard worker, or especially helpful to customers, or sensitive to a customer with special needs, or strong work ethic always on time, etc. It's just, we talked, and I wished on a star he would ask me out, and then he did! (And then, cancelled on her)
The attraction sounds mostly physical to me. There's no foundation there. You're right, they'll be done in, say, five years.
I'm really beginning to think that if you sign up for a reality show, there's a really good chance you're a grade A dolt.
Does anyone know what the ratings were right before she was cancelled the first time?
Admin. can children who have been removed from the home and fostered out by cps allowed to contact family? If not then IMO 99.9 percent do I believe he was removed.
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Yes, YES, and YES. Of course! Contact with family especially parents is essential and I usually push for it with all my heart. But, due to Agency's resources, or the child's stabilization, visits may not be as frequent as they would be if grandma were watching the kids. For example, if 20 kids are placed in a treatment group home, they couldn't have 40 parents there every single day for 6 hours, they wouldn't have the resources to manage the constant influx of people. So it's more normal to be able to visit every week or twice a week.
Here, 2-3 times a week and sometimes even one time a week is normal for a child not placed with a friend or relative. This is a big reason I think he is placed against her will, because of the length of time and apparently, not seeing him that much.
They could have atleast all looked into the camera and wished Collin a happy birthday so he would know if he ever saw it.
For what it’s worth, I taught middle school, high school, and even alternative high school, the “last chance” school for students with behavior problems.
With this experience in mind, I must say I’ve been concerned about Collin since the start of the series. He struck me as a child whose aggression was outside the acceptable norm. When it was reported that Collin (along with Alexis) was expelled from kindergarten for aggression against classmates and teachers, it was not surprising.
Perhaps Collin was genetically predisposed to aggressive behavior - that’s the Nature aspect of his behavior. But the poor boy certainly lost the lottery when it came to the Nurture component of behavior: he was born to a mental ill narcissist who is incapable of nurturing anyone or anything but her own ego.
Kate for the most part overlooked Collin’s aggression. How often in the JK8 episodes do we see Collin shoving a sibling or bashing them over the head. Goodness, he even clobbered Kate, then ran off and did the same to Aaden. Kate’s underwhelming response was to ask, “Collin, are you being unkind?” as she made her exit past him and a sobbing Aaden.
How many times do we see Kate pawning Collin off on Jon. At Disney World, for instance, when Collin stubbornly wants to continue riding Dumbo, Kate transfers him to Jon, telling Collin roughly, “You’re with your father for the rest of the day.”
On the other hand, I recall instances of Jon appropriately disciplining Collin - crouching down to Collin’s level and talking through the incident, then perhaps assigning a consequence - only to have Kate intrude by telling Collin not to listen to Daddy, Daddy is mean.
This boy didn’t stand a chance with Kate and her mental illness ruling the roost.
Considering Collin’s history of aggression along with the fact that he has been away for so long, I can’t help but surmise that he is residing in some sort of juvenile detention facility, sent there not by Kate but by the authorities. He could have become a danger to himself and others - including his own siblings. I hate to think this, but I’ve seen similar scenarios play out in the lives of several of my troubled students.
This heartbreaking situation with Collin makes me loathe Kate all the more, it this is even possible.
Prayers for the G8 and Jon.
Milo only took one stab at the old pinata today. I guess she couldn't find a suitable platitude for how to cope when faced with a court-ordered psych evaluation.
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Is she having one done, too?
On a TV show message board, people are very sympathetic to Colin and can't understand Kate. Could this maybe be the beginning of the end of the show? Fingers crossed.
On a TV show message board, people are very sympathetic to Colin and can't understand Kate. Could this maybe be the beginning of the end of the show? Fingers crossed.
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Kate pushes her luck and always has. And it does come back to bite her.
I think she thinks she "wins" a lot, at least in her mind. So she gets cocky, and she pushes the envelope in so many ways. She's cocky enough to think she can say and do anything when it comes to Collin and she'll still come out on top. She believes her fans love her and that they're in it for the long haul and she's made it through so many other sticky spots like teflon. That just may not be the case this time. She is stubbornly refusing to factor in some real deal breakers. Eventually luck does tend to run out. For whatever reason if a fan identifies with this situation on any level, I think there's a real good chance that fan is done. That could really be a lot of fans at the end of the day.
NOT being political, but in many ways this reminds me of our recent election, where I think everyone pretty much agrees huge miscalculations on the temperature of the room were made, resulting in a history-making disaster. And, I do think cockiness played a major role, you bet it did when champagne was being popped before votes were even counted. Kate may have done the same, read the room wrong. Very wrong. And I think the ratings sure as hell reflect it. Kate was popping the champagne over this Collin situation before ever waiting for the ratings.
Admin (#32), I think TFW felt particularly emboldened (read: cocky) with the C situation in that C is 100% unable to defend himself to the public. Maligning Jon all these years was one thing -- he's made his attempts to fight back, which were met with a fraction of the attention her claims got.
But, in TFW's dark, controlling mind, she can say whatever she wants about C however it suits her because C has no voice. No side of the story. Nothing to claim in public. No way to defend himself. To me, that makes her even more despicable than I imagined she could be: taking advantage of her own CHILD's lack of a pulpit.
Pants on Fire (30), that was an excellent post and I agree with all you have said.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 16
There's a new article on People.com: "Terri Irwin's 'Heart Aches' That Late Husband Steve Isn't Alive for Their Son's 13th Birthday." There's a real live single mom. And one who would give anything to see her children have a dad again.
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The utter waste of precious time that the children have with Jon is sinful. Nothing short of sinful, and so revealing about how Christian Kate really is.
I think that's the biggest sign of Kate's madness. At this point, I really believe what Robert wrote about her years ago. I think Kate desperately needs professional help for her mental health.
No mentally healthy person would cut virtually everyone out of the lives of children, especially their father.
Shame on you, Kate Gosselin, for keeping your children's loving father away from them. These milestones will never come again: birthdays, holidays, school events.
YOU ARE A HORRIBLE MOTHER.
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I've never seen such a lack of support for Kate. Filming without Colin and now YEARS of hating Jon more than Kate loves her children is finally make it dawn on people how greedy, vengeful and sick she really is.
She might not be the actual cause of all their problems,
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I wonder if Kate's physical abuse and lack of emotional bonding had a profound effect on at least some of the tups' premie brains. I really do.
To have the best shot in life, they all needed intensive contact, and Kate seemed to give up at the jump. Just too many. Can't do it.
Oh well...
I have never, ever seen Kate really connect in a physical or emotionally bonding way with any of her kids. I've never seen a spontaneous loving moment- a grab and smush, or sloppy kisses-lavished on anyone.
It's run its course, and I also think there's a fair portion who don't want to watch this given the Collin situation.
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Reading through the FB comments (TLC and K + 8), the vast majority are negative and the majority of those are note "haterz". They are mostly women who are confused and disappointed, and not tuning in again.
There's very little fun about watching K+8 anymore, and people come away feeling more sad, even angry, than anything else.
Once again, comments about how awful the girls are-even people wondering about how awful they treat their own mother! The Colin situation is as clear as mud, and don't think people aren't picking up on the fact that there's no real explanation as to what's happened to that precious boy they've known and loved for years.
Add to that the higher-thinking fans also recognize how detrimental Kate's acrimony towards Jon is, and there's little support left.
I hope that's true, they need to SHARE the holidays, FAIRLY. Jon's for dinner, then back later for dessert.
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I think in Kate's head, she envisions every holiday with everyone at the compound. No exceptions. Not for visiting Jon or spending them with spouse's families etc.
Kate provided that compound and her kids better show their thanks and allegiance for the rest of their lives.
Kate's 78 weeks of bedrest must be repaid!
Pants on Fire said... 30
But I ask myself, was Collin's aggression any worse than Mady's? She was often physical with the younger kids and, heaven knows, a lot more vocal and nasty than we ever saw Collin being. As for Alexis, the "wild child," yes, we saw some hyper-ness. But outside of that strange sleeping-in-the-basement phase, which both parents just seemed to brush off (I am now convinced that Kate deliberately placed her there so she couldn't bother the others), I don't recall seeing her be mean or acting out towards her siblings.
This is where reality simply doesn't reflect what viewers have been led to believe about this family. So: Have they merely been actors (in their own lives) all along, just not PAID or acknowledged as actors? Either way, they have been shortchanged, and I hope, for the kids' sake, that someone finally stops it. I don't care what Kate does.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 34
Yessss! That is a really great point. As far as the public is concerned, he has no voice. And whatever little we know about him, we've learned from someone who has, admittedly, always seen him as a problem.
Tucker's Mom said... 39
Add to that the higher-thinking fans also recognize how detrimental Kate's acrimony towards Jon is, and there's little support left.
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I think even those who like her and the show are beginning to recognize the fakeness. After YEARS of not mentioning Jon, suddenly there's a scene (in the clip show, to make it seem like it didn't happen last week for the first time?) where Kate AND the kids are discussing visitation. Ummm, you've been divorced for seven years, you've been filming the realest reality, and this has NEVER come up on cam before? It just doesn't wash.
They met working at Target.
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Ah, a lot more makes sense now...
Sad but true (17)
I always thought Collin and Alexis should have just attended a good public school. All of the kids for that matter. I can understand Kate's reasonings for putting them in private school at the height of their fame though.
They were the two that had issues with aggression in kindergarten right? Were they also the two kids that supposedly weren't ready for kindergarten the 2009-2010 school year?
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I'm wondering if a child psychologist also recommended that Colling not be filmed. Maybe in certain circumstances at least. They kept Collin out of the "escape room" episode.
I really wonder how Collin acts around people. He seems to be respectful and kind. I cant help but remember how adorable he was when they were doing the rope adventure. When he was with his "boys." He was so happy.
Not for anything, but you treat a kid like crap and that's what you're going to get out of him.
Collin has tried and tried with Kate. That adorable mother and cub bear he bought her was just too sweet. So much thought went into it. It's heartbreaking seeing Kate's reaction when he gave it to her. That, and when Collin said he wants to hug his mother but she won't let him, spoke volumes. It's still difficult to remember him saying that. I can't believe the Kate fans just dismissed that.
I really feel for that kid. I'm convinced it was Kate that "ruined" him. She herself said he was very laid-back as a baby. Most parents would laugh at his mischievous tendencies and redirect them to play, etc.
Kate took it as a direct defiance of her authority. He was a toddler!
Njay, your story is tragic. I am so sorry that happened to you. I think almost all of us have felt "triggers" from watching Kate. I believe that is why we are here and still discussing her show and her behavior.
She says she would go to the ends of the earth for her children (where, perhaps, there is a McDonalds where she can seek employment).
Bold words. Martyr actions.
How about just giving a spontaneous hug to the closest child? That might be more potent than a trek to the frozen tundra.
Kate better get out her swiffer because there's a comment on her IG that's been there for 7 hours..."Rotten mother! YOU failed your son. He will despise you for separating him from the ones HE loves!!#bitchforamo
She's also got one that's been there for 22 hours...What is it like to be a complete douche?
There are also a lot of questions on Collin.
Tucker's Mom (#36), thanks for mentioning that TFW claims to be a Christian. Hand out to churchgoers around the country -- some of whom had so much less than she -- who opened their hearts and wallets to her.
Then suddenly...it was too hard to get all the kids to church without Jon's help. Then it was too sad to go without him. Then it was some headaches that kept all 9 of them from going to church at Easter (funny she got to NYC for Jon's hairplug surgery while most of her kids with wiped out with the flu).
I am by NO means judging someone who doesn't go to church. Heck, she can live in a yurt and worship a picture of Donny Osmond. But she cashed in on what she claimed was her faith, and she surely does not walk the talk. I guess Christianity no longer knows how to help her.
Once again, comments about how awful the girls are-even people wondering about how awful they treat their own mother! The Colin situation is as clear as mud, and don't think people aren't picking up on the fact that there's no real explanation as to what's happened to that precious boy they've known and loved for years.
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Another thing she didn't factor in. A lot of viewers LIKE this "character" Collin. She thinks she can just swiffer him and everyone's okay with it, even the sheeple? It's not going to work that way.
Pants on Fire said... 30
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Thank you. I agree Colin's symptoms have been ignored and minimized for years by Kate.
When your child gets kicked out of kindergarten for physically harming people, it's time to wake the f*&k up.
I just think that Kate's decisions are always driven by saving her brand and continuing filming the kids.
She's been able to get away with it for years.
What gift did the tups get? I must have missed it?
But, in TFW's dark, controlling mind, she can say whatever she wants about C however it suits her because C has no voice. No side of the story. Nothing to claim in public. No way to defend himself. To me, that makes her even more despicable than I imagined she could be: taking advantage of her own CHILD's lack of a pulpit.
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Yes, just another layer to a narcissist's smear campaign. She's going to get HER version out before the "target" gets theirs out. She's carefully planting the seed the HE is and always was the "problem "and she's done everything "any mother " would do with such a problem child. She controls the narrative. Gaslighting and manipulation
Yes, just another layer to a narcissist's smear campaign. She's going to get HER version out before the "target" gets theirs out. She's carefully planting the seed the HE is and always was the "problem "and she's done everything "any mother " would do with such a problem child. She controls the narrative. Gaslighting and manipulation
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Absolutely. Can I add that she thinks she's got this under control? Like I said, she's cocky, and just like all the many other times she successfully controlled the narrative, it doesn't occur to her she won't this time too. Hence her brazen preemptive strike doing the mini-media tour and People article about this.
Only she doesn't have control. It's blowing up in her face. Her own sheeple aren't buying what she's selling. And her show is going down in the tubes for it. It's rather surreal to watch.
Winsomeone (#52), maybe their gift was not getting sent away by their mother.
Or maybe the real gift was turning 12, and knowing that in 6 short years, they will be out from under the thumb of the woman who says she's in charge, and that's never gonna change.
Admin (#54), remember that couch interview, when Jon said he was tired of being J&K+8 and wanted to just be Jon Gosselin again? TFW sat right beside him and said, with her stupid little pantomime gesture, that they needed to "iron things out." He had made his feelings crystal clear, and yet she was controlling the narrative. A grown man, her husband, her life partner, was not entitled to his feelings. She had to edit and translate them for him. Is it any wonder he had his crazy skirt-chasing frat boy stage when the marriage ended?
And what happened? TFW dumped Jon, and kept the show, and the gravy train continued to chug along (just like the 12-year-old son she sent away). So why would she think this time things will end any differently?
I am by NO means judging someone who doesn't go to church. Heck, she can live in a yurt and worship a picture of Donny Osmond.
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LOL!
Comment of the day.
Bottom line- she's a hypocrite who used her faith to dupe Christians into giving her money.
Oh, right. Was there a John Deere waiting in the wings this birthday?
What idiot company did she get to donate?
Tucker's Mom (#58), sheesh, wasn't having organic food at their birthday party any 12-year-old's dream come true? What gift could top that?
So am I to understand there were no friends invited to this party? That clannish stuff may have flown for a 2-year-olds' party, but not a 12-year-olds'. If TFW had the slightest insight into the brain of a preteen, she'd know that friends are a huge part of their lives and their very identities.
Collin has tried and tried with Kate. That adorable mother and cub bear he bought her was just too sweet. So much thought went into it. It's heartbreaking seeing Kate's reaction when he gave it to her.
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I also remember the episode where Kate publicly chastised him on camera for calling one of the girl's hair "ugly".
If she felt she needed to say something to him, she could have stopped the cameras and spoke to him privately. But no, she had to make sure it was filmed.
I can just imagine how Collin felt when they watched that episode.
All the fans who keep on waxing on about what great birthday parties Kate throws and how "creative" she is, should go to her website and see what they did for their birthday when they weren't filming on TLC's dime.
In 2012, a tea party for the girls and a Lego party for the boys, both held at home.
In 2013, they had a pizza party, again, held at home.
But when they film, the sky's the limit!! Kate's only "creative" ideas are how to milk it for all it's worth.
Kate is a twit said... 61
All the fans who keep on waxing on about what great birthday parties Kate throws and how "creative" she is, should go to her website and see what they did for their birthday when they weren't filming on TLC's dime.
In 2012, a tea party for the girls and a Lego party for the boys, both held at home.
In 2013, they had a pizza party, again, held at home.
But when they film, the sky's the limit!! Kate's only "creative" ideas are how to milk it for all it's worth.
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Yep. In a lot of ways, the show has always been about fulfilling Kate's bucket list/making up for the things she felt she didn't receive as a child. The multiples are just a means to the end/just a way to make it happen.
They each had a friend at their party. And oddly enough it seems Collin's "friend" was invited too. Without Collin there! Who else would the extra boy be?There were five boys and six girls I think.
She thinks this is a master mother move - I can't help my child, so I will pay someone who can. She has mentioned time and again, that this is the best place for him, and that he is getting what he needs - so wouldn't all parents agree with this?
The problem is, she is taking absolutely NO accountability in her role in C ending up this way. Yes, there are probably chemical imbalances that contribute to this. But the prevailing narrative, is that this is solely HIS problem to deal with. How can she say that this has brought the family closer, when they are in no way involved in his treatment. And more specifically her - where is her therapy to help her son deal with this??
No matter how much she hates Jon, wouldn't you want your son to be in a familiar environment, with someone that you know loves them? She really is still very bitter and angry about the divorce - no matter how many times she says she is over it. I think this is why so many of us have such a visceral reaction to this - we are all thinking about C, and how abandoned he must feel. No matter how she spun it to the child, (life skills my ass!), she seems to have no empathy for him at all in this situation.
Of all the top 10 lists over the years of her F-ups, this tops them all.
Do you really not comprehend that you know nothing about this child and his issues? You have seen small snippets of him on television. Nothing more. That does not give you a basis for judgment of this child's psychological health.
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The idea that you would classify over ten years of intimate filming of this child as mere "snippets" is interesting.
A lot can be observed about Collin. For instance, his good eye contact, his excellent verbal skills, good spacial reasoning, good communication skills, and good problem solving skills. We have also seen how he reacts emotionally to various events, and his ability to have good control of his emotions, expressing them when appropriate.
If you watch someone win a chess game on TV against a master, it's reasonable to conclude from that "snippet" they are probably fairly intelligent, and fairly good at chess. One need not get a psychological assessment to conclude as such.
I haven't the foggiest idea what a psychologist would say about him, of course. But it's perfectly reasonable for me to remark that given what we DO see, and it's been a lot, and given my experience with children who truly do have issues they require institutions I would be surprised if he had issues so intensive as to require a MANDATORY lock-up like this.
I have no ruled it out, I simply said I'd be surprised. If he is, he presents so high functioning as to be unlike any other child I have worked with who requires this level of care. Maybe he simply is that rare child who presents very well, I have no idea. But please don't scold me for a reasonable opinion.
Shit's gettin' real! Can't wait to find out what's happening.
Darren Kavinoky @DarrenKavinoky 23h23 hours ago
I'll be on @TheInsider on @cbs at 7PM PST tonight talking about the Jon Gosselin and Kate Gosselin custody case. #TuneIn
And here's a link to the story:
https://theinsider.com/jon-gosselin-is-taking-ex-wife-kate-gosselin-back-to-court-d414d86c6c8e#.a0n9sl2s7
LOL, though it wasn't much of a story. Maybe after it airs there'll be a transcript.
Talk about a strange world. The guy who's pictured with Jon, I guess at a hearing or or something, is a legal analyst who actually works for Discovery! He is apparently the interviewer for this segment airing tonight.
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I also remember the episode where Kate publicly chastised him on camera for calling one of the girl's hair "ugly".
If she felt she needed to say something to him, she could have stopped the cameras and spoke to him privately. But no, she had to make sure it was filmed.
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OMG, Kate made a mountain out of a mole hill. She ignores the girls hitting, spitting and shoving, but Colin said something any brother says to his sister out of normal teasing and she makes a Federal case.
Jeez, my brother would have been sent away permanently with the names he called me.
So am I to understand there were no friends invited to this party?
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There were about 9-10 other kids at the birthday party (a total of about 15 if you include the tups). They all seemed to have a good time despite TFW's attempt to control almost every aspect of it.
Kim @AussieKimm 8h8 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 Loved your date with #Vann, he was incredibly nice & hope u go on another date soon. Let us know, has it happened yet ;)
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You just have to feel sorry for some of these fans. I'm sure they are just oblivious to how production, and Kate, work.
Vann seemingly escaped the creeping stench of associating with Kate Gosselin by running far, far away, and never looking back.
Yes, Collin appears to me to be the brightest and most creative of the tups, and also the most affectionate, verbally advanced and most willing to help. Yes, I have seen his compulsive tendencies and arguing with his siblings but he IS high functioning and unless there is something major we don't know, or he is in foster care, I don't know what he is doing in an institution. I think Kate could not control him as he got older- she said as much. Maybe he fought back one day- Hannah said he was abused, and this locked-in basement room would be grounds for removal I would think. Of course we don't know but we have been 'invited' into the hearth and home ( ahem) of this family for 10 years.
But please don't scold me for a reasonable opinion.
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Saying we've seen snippets is like saying Kate has a little addiction to fame. Uh, we've seen WAY more than snippets, not to mention, lest ye forget, we've read a good deal of Kate's diary.
The one where she details physically abusing her children, which was SO bad, it has us questioning whether some of the kids sustained closed head injuries.
Didn't they substitute some boy for Collin with the scavenger hunt? Was that explained?
Sherri (#68), thanks for clearing that up about other kids being there. I didn't notice anyone commenting on it, so I assumed no non-G kids were invited. My bad.
Sad but true said... 66
Shit's gettin' real! Can't wait to find out what's happening.
Darren Kavinoky @DarrenKavinoky 23h23 hours ago
I'll be on @TheInsider on @cbs at 7PM PST tonight talking about the Jon Gosselin and Kate Gosselin custody case. #TuneIn
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If this guy is a legal analyst or Discovery, he must have permission to weigh in on the custody case, Kate not disclosing where Colin is placed, etc.
I have a feeling Katie Irene may be sporting tire tracks after this---Discovery is probably going to subtly start distancing themselves from her/her actions.
I agree with Admin.. he was removed from the home. My sense is Kate could no longer control him and he fought back physically. Her solution for quite a while was to isolate him, punish him by not seeing his father, forcing chores on him, and medicating him (who the hell is that Doctor?)
I hope Colin opens up more and more regarding his abuse. Many fans who have always supported Kate are now voicing their disgust that he was not at his filmed birthday party and that Jon has been denied knowledge of where his son is. Keeping Collin from Jon was her way of making sure he did not blab to Jon. Except for Hannah, the others were brainwashed to keep their mouths shut to dad. This is a horrible situation and a judge needs to step in NOW.
Also, there are many comments from fans disgusted with Mady, too. Who can support Kate's parenting style when her daughter is so disrespectful? The show is very uncomfortable watch.
I haven't the foggiest idea what a psychologist would say about him, of course. But it's perfectly reasonable for me to remark that given what we DO see, and it's been a lot, and given my experience with children who truly do have issues they require institutions I would be surprised if he had issues so intensive as to require a MANDATORY lock-up like this.
I have no ruled it out, I simply said I'd be surprised. If he is, he presents so high functioning as to be unlike any other child I have worked with who requires this level of care. Maybe he simply is that rare child who presents very well, I have no idea. But please don't scold me for a reasonable opinion.
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I agree Admin. As I've mentioned before, one of my sons has behaviourial issues. I see the same things in C. While we don't know how he reacts in a school situation, obviously his previous expulsion, as well as Kate stating that he was at a different school last year than his siblings, it's reasonable to think that he experiences anxiety in stressful situations.
I've always said to my family - if it weren't for the issues we had at school with our son, we probably wouldn't have got him the help he needed as soon as we did. Yes, there were behaviourial issues at home, but we were learning how to manage them. School is a totally different beast.
Imagine C coming home from a stressful and frustrating day at school, to be barked and ordered to complete his chores, etc., and she's surprised he had meltdowns?
My son is almost the same age as C - he has had therapy for the last 4yrs, with medication for the last 2. We as parents, have had therapy and info sessions for the last 4 years as well. Our kid has come a long way - a lot of emotional regulation comes with maturity. And as parents, we have to help him along the way - you know, with his "life skills". Along with his doctor, the plan is to take him off medication at the end of the school year, and continue with therapy after that.
There are still issues (I just got a call from the school in the middle of writing this), but you deal with them as they occur. We are his parents - its our problem too.
Susan1956 said... 77
Sad but true said... 66
Shit's gettin' real! Can't wait to find out what's happening.
Darren Kavinoky @DarrenKavinoky 23h23 hours ago
I'll be on @TheInsider on @cbs at 7PM PST tonight talking about the Jon Gosselin and Kate Gosselin custody case. #TuneIn
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If this guy is a legal analyst or Discovery, he must have permission to weigh in on the custody case, Kate not disclosing where Colin is placed, etc.
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OMG I'm a fan of his! He's on Discover ID a lot
I believe that TFW said that the boys got a 10 minute head start because they were one boy short (or something like that). She did not substitute another boy hoping that everyone would think it was Collin.
"Who the hell is that Doctor?", good question. Reminds me of things I've read about Judy Garland when she was a young star at MGM. She was 'treated' by studio Doctors for weight "problems" which resulted in her having sleep "problems" and eventually became addicted to the "medication" which caused her to become a long time adult addict.
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She still hasn't vacuumed the negative comments on her IG, which isn't like her.
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I believe that Insider segment aired last night, since the tweet about it was made yesterday morning. What was shown in the link someone posted above was probably the whole discussion that aired about the custody situation.
E!News Live also had a discussion about the custody situation.
http://www.eonline.com/videos/254920/kate-jon-gosselin-s-custody-battle-continues
I think one of the woman really nailed it when the question came up whether the children could ever grow up to be normal, healthy adults, especially when she said this about Collin:
"And, of course, he's having these behavioral issues, reportedly, that both parents have been open about talking about.
But no matter what, he will eventually carry the scarlet letter, if you will for lack of a better phrase, of those behavioral problems, and the fact that it's all over the press, for the rest of his life. And I think it's getting too messy to still allow those kids to be the subject of such conversation."
Sad but true said... 66
Shit's gettin' real! Can't wait to find out what's happening.
Darren Kavinoky @DarrenKavinoky 23h23 hours ago
I'll be on @TheInsider on @cbs at 7PM PST tonight talking about the Jon Gosselin and Kate Gosselin custody case. #TuneIn
December 1, 2016 at 10:00 AM
Sad but true said... 67
And here's a link to the story:
https://theinsider.com/jon-gosselin-is-taking-ex-wife-kate-gosselin-back-to-court-d414d86c6c8e#.a0n9sl2s7
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Shit gettin' real is right! I think it could finally be happening.
Do this thing right. Start from scratch and level the G-D playing field.
Everyone gets evaluated, and then, the kids and only the kids are the focus. Not filming, no Kate with her purse full of bills.
The. Kids.
Make Kate disclose every asset and bank account/holdings/investments to get her REAL total worth, and then decide if these kids really have to continue working to keep their home and school.
Hopefully, BOTH parents get shared custody and PLEASE, I PRAY that Jon and Kate are ordered into counseling together so that they finally co-parent from her on out.
Good luck, Jon. I really, really hope this is finally happening for you and your kids' sakes.
Oh, first order of business, find Colin and become part of his care decision process and give him a REAL hug.
Keeping Collin from Jon was her way of making sure he did not blab to Jon.
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I think the other kids have also been kept in the dark, haven't seen or spoken with Colin and don't openly discuss their feelings about it as a family, so Jon (and pretty much everyone except Steve) couldn't find out where Colin is.
I think Kate wants full control of the narrative so she can try to make filming continue to work.
My son is almost the same age as C - he has had therapy for the last 4yrs, with medication for the last 2. We as parents, have had therapy and info sessions for the last 4 years as well. Our kid has come a long way - a lot of emotional regulation comes with maturity. And as parents, we have to help him along the way - you know, with his "life skills". Along with his doctor, the plan is to take him off medication at the end of the school year, and continue with therapy after that.
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Your son is blessed to have his parents, Nicky. I'm sure you are both blessed to have him, too.
I'm a bit teary because I know Colin has never had anything close to this kind of love, understanding and support.
Anonymous said... 83
She still hasn't vacuumed the negative comments on her IG, which isn't like her.
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In panic mode? Shit's gettin' real ;-)
http://www.eonline.com/videos/254920/kate-jon-gosselin-s-custody-battle-continues
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Very spot-on observations and we are FINALLY seeing the notion of how messy and downright icky this is to watch, being discussed mainstream.
People are finally appreciating how helpless these children are, caught between 2 feuding parents, all the while having their privacy shattered over and over and over again.
People are finally choosing to give these kids their privacy and what's left of their childhoods back, instead of just ignoring what's really going to so that they have their Gosselin fix.
It's about time people started to feel a bit guilty about being consumers of this travesty.
By the way, in the Insider clip, they showed part of Kate's interview that aired on Nightline. It included this quote from Kate, which wasn't shown in her GMA interview.
"Private information seems to make it's way to the tabloids and I need to put my children first".
She states it just before she says that she's known all along where Collin is, but the world doesn't know. So it was probably in reference to keeping Collin's location a secret.
But if she hadn't opened up to People about Collin's situation, and kept that information private and put her children first, there wouldn't be any tabloid stories in the first place.
I guess she doesn't consider it "private information" if she's the one that talks about it.
But if she hadn't opened up to People about Collin's situation, and kept that information private and put her children first, there wouldn't be any tabloid stories in the first place.
I guess she doesn't consider it "private information" if she's the one that talks about it.
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You're being way too logical for Kate.
It's the old barn door thing. She opens the barn door then gets mad when some horses run out? Of COURSE people are going to wonder where he is placed. That's human nature, human curiosity. I don't think anyone is requesting his address, but it's only natural people are curious about this.
If she never said a thing about this, no one would wonder. She takes no ownership of the fact that this goes directly back to her.
So Kate, being a nurse, most likely is a manipulator when it comes to symptoms, i.e. fertility, and perhaps she shared with Collin's doctor some made up shit and got medication prescribed and during filming she upped dosage. Same scenario with Alexis. I know it's an incredible thing to suggest, but I have, based upon what Robert disclosed and what has been aired by TLC and tweeted by Kate over the years, have no doubt that as a narcissist she manipulates people and the facts to suit her purpose. That People interview, IMO, was a pack of lies. It was deliberate because she knew questions would come up as to why Collin was not included in the upcoming season, so she preemptively set her narrative as a loving mom for her troubled son as the story for the public.
Nicky said... 79
Bravo to you for doing what is needed to truly make your child the best he can be. My assumption with Kate (and granted, I don't deny that I'm somewhat biased against her) is that she took the path that was easiest for HER. The path that would enable her to continue her famewhore career. And I think that likely resulted in "Let's try the meds and see how we do" instead of getting Collin and any/all of the rest of them the necessary therapy, both individual and family, and special-needs education that they very likely needed. Instead we've seen her deny---for years---that any child of hers has a problem, and then, with very little warning, her proud announcement that she has sent him where he can learn "life skills" and that not even his father knows where that is.
Kate has earned her place as one of the most despicable people ever to run the gamut of easy fame and fortune by virtue of deception and collusion to deceive with a major network. I hope she becomes a cautionary tale for all of these people who can't wait to do something ridiculous for attention.
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OMG, Kate made a mountain out of a mole hill. She ignores the girls hitting, spitting and shoving, but Colin said something any brother says to his sister out of normal teasing and she makes a Federal case.
Jeez, my brother would have been sent away permanently with the names he called me.
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Yup, the scapegoat blacksheep
If this guy is a legal analyst or Discovery, he must have permission to weigh in on the custody case, Kate not disclosing where Colin is placed, etc.
I have a feeling Katie Irene may be sporting tire tracks after this---Discovery is probably going to subtly start distancing themselves from her/her actions.
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Now this is getting interesting. Could definitely be them angling themselves, making sure they're starting to take some kind of position on all this. What angle that would be I'm gonna guess gone are the 2009 days.
If she never said a thing about this, no one would wonder. She takes no ownership of the fact that this goes directly back to her.
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The biggest problem is that Kate won't stop filming, no matter what. Her hand was forced with regards to revealing Colin's situation. She couldn't film without Colin and no one noticing.
So, she chose to launch a PR campaign designed to introduce the bad news, while still maintaining all is well in Gosselinland.
OK so far.
But...when people saw reality in action-what it really means to just go on filming like nothing happened, well, it's like slapping clear windows on a sausage factory.
I can't find that Insider interview anywhere. If anyone locates it, please post a link here? Thanks in advance.
Tucker's Mom (#96), and I think it was one thing for all of us to be shocked by her nonchalant attitude as she blithely tweeted away about Puppypalooza while her young son was sent away. But it's another to watch her merrily hosting the BEST BIRTHDAY EVER (her caps), while one of her "six pack" is conspicuous in his absence.
You know what's chilling? She may be reading those viewer comments and thinking, I just don't get it. She doesn't show those sad, concerned feelings about C because she truly doesn't FEEL those sad, concerned feelings. Again, I have no doubt that she loves all her children. But do I think she misses C, and sincerely regrets what's happened, and misses his presence daily? No.
I know there's supposed to be another Gosselins Give Back episode. Wonder what Miss Tone Deaf will be forced to help with for a paycheck, and how she'll relate it back to her own oh-so-challenging life.
But do I think she misses C, and sincerely regrets what's happened, and misses his presence daily? No.
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Kate is very much an "out of sight, out of mind" person. Husbands, kids, dogs. Doesn't matter. She doesn't experience separation like we do.
The "giving back" episode is New Orleans, I think.
Tucker's Mom said... 100
The "giving back" episode is New Orleans, I think.
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Yes, TLC said they go to "help with the hurricane." Sure, just what you want in the middle of a natural disaster, K8 + 7 + Steve + nannies + camera crew. Moreover, IIRC, that storm hit the inside of LA a lot harder than New Orleans. I wonder if they ventured inland at all.
The Insider video is not an interview with Jon. It's just that guy taking about how Jon is taking Kate to court for custody.
I saw it somewhere. If I find it I will post it.
https://theinsider.com/jon-gosselin-is-taking-ex-wife-kate-gosselin-back-to-court-d414d86c6c8e#.4zdx74yh4
Yes, TLC said they go to "help with the hurricane." Sure, just what you want in the middle of a natural disaster, K8 + 7 + Steve + nannies + camera crew. Moreover, IIRC, that storm hit the inside of LA a lot harder than New Orleans. I wonder if they ventured inland at all.
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Kate's not fooling anyone. New Orleans was on her bucket list. I'm thinking there's a little bit of helping, and a lot of begneits, creole food, boat rides, Bourbon St. etc...
Eonline video of them discussing the G kids' privacy:
http://m.eonline.com/videos/254920/kate-jon-gosselin-s-custody-battle-continues
Sad but true (#101), I hope those poor storm-ravaged folks enjoy their signed copies of TFW's books. And if they were really lucky, maybe she shared her own harrowing storm experience with #SuperFunSandy.
In 2012, a tea party for the girls and a Lego party for the boys, both held at home.
In 2013, they had a pizza party, again, held at home.
But when they film, the sky's the limit!! Kate's only "creative" ideas are how to milk it for all it's worth.
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The sad thing is I bet those simpler parties were better. But she didn't do them because that kind of simple thing is really what kids want and need. She did it because she's cheap, and doesn't even try when there is no filming.
The sad thing is I bet those simpler parties were better. But she didn't do them because that kind of simple thing is really what kids want and need. She did it because she's cheap, and doesn't even try when there is no filming.
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The kids should be doing lower-key things by this age. Even separate things.
I'll bet she didn't need an overflowing cart full of party decorations for the 2012 and 2013 parties unlike the one she had for the 12th birthday party (courtesy of TLC of course).
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TLC stinks said... 78
Also, there are many comments from fans disgusted with Mady, too. Who can support Kate's parenting style when her daughter is so disrespectful?
Do none of the people writing those comments see how disrespectful KATE is? The kids don't respect her because SHE DOESN'T RESPECT THEM EITHER!
Based on all the prior (filmed) b'days and the infinite trips to Party City, she should have had a shit-ton of decorations available to make things festive. I don't recall seeing that in her photos. Too much work, I guess, when you're not getting paid to do it.
Anonymous said... 109
I'll bet she didn't need an overflowing cart full of party decorations for the 2012 and 2013 parties unlike the one she had for the 12th birthday party (courtesy of TLC of course).
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Or $$$$$ custom cake(s) and all the crap she could stuff into a shopping cart.
CC, thanks for the link. I will check it out.
Re this Kavinoky guy, if he knows what he's talking about, he says that the only interest the judge will have is what is in the best interests of the children. If that holds true, it is hard to imagine Jon will not at least get increased visitation---and maybe the kind that cannot be cancelled at Kate's whim.
He's a bit of a showboat, and there's really no new info, but it was a decent soundbite.
https://theinsider.com/jon-gosselin-is-taking-ex-wife-kate-gosselin-back-to-court-d414d86c6c8e#.4zdx74yh4
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The preview for next week's episode shows Kate and the kids in a fancy restaurant setting and she is explaining that beignets (spelling?) are the French version of doughnuts.
"Giving back" my patootie.
And those of us parents that know - medication is NOT a magic pill. In our instance, it allowed our son to actually be open to therapy - he wasn't in the head space before to even take it in.
But I will say, a big misconception about medication for mental issues, is that it makes the kids zombies. If you have the right doctor, who believes in low and slow (start with low dose, and slowly increase over time), it allows to to see if it is actually working. For us - it was a long process to see if it was effective.
It is a lot of work - something that Kate really knows nothing about.
Nicky said... 116
But I will say, a big misconception about medication for mental issues, is that it makes the kids zombies. If you have the right doctor, who believes in low and slow (start with low dose, and slowly increase over time), it allows to to see if it is actually working.
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But here's the problem with that re K8: Having been a nurse, she has shown over and over that she thinks she knows better than the doctors (many many examples of this in Hoffman's book). And if she wanted her two (presumably) hyper kids to be "chill," I don't think she'd hesitate to make her own decisions about dosage. I wonder how closely her doctor has been supervising these meds. I hope the answer is, very closely.
If this guy is a legal analyst or Discovery, he must have permission to weigh in on the custody case, Kate not disclosing where Colin is placed, etc.
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I don't think he has to have anyone's permission to talk about the case. He comments and gives his opinion on legal issues all of the time on his own program as well as an analyst on HLN, CNN, etc.
I've never heard of "The Insider" before the info was posted above so I looked it up. It's on a local Fox station where I live and it airs at 4am. The show appears to be syndicated and the station and time it airs will vary if anyone else tries to find it.
In next weeks preview, the Gosselins are in the French restaurant and it looks upper, uber, elite, fancy. TFW is checking her phone and the maitre d' caught her and the camera shows the look on his face and he ain't happy, at all.
I hope he read her the riot act. I can't wait to see which restaurant it was because I want to find out the cell phone and electronic device policies there.
She was checking her phone and said something about putting it in her pocket after he said something to her with a mean look.
The preview for next week's episode shows Kate and the kids in a fancy restaurant setting and she is explaining that beignets (spelling?) are the French version of doughnuts.
"Giving back" my patootie.
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I think your spelling is correct ;-)
Yeah, this was another bucket list item TLC got to check off for Kate.
It had to have cost a pretty penny to film this, yet TLC isn't promoting her hardly at all.
GollyGee said... 120
In next weeks preview, the Gosselins are in the French restaurant and it looks upper, uber, elite, fancy. TFW is checking her phone and the maitre d' caught her and the camera shows the look on his face and he ain't happy, at all.
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Hmmm... is TLC RV'ing Kate again?
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Do you really not comprehend that you know nothing about this child and his issues? You have seen small snippets of him on television. Nothing more. That does not give you a basis for judgment of this child's psychological health.
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I know you're not talking to me, but I would like to interject something here that is more than just speculation. I do know that this child was expelled from Kindergarten because of psychological/behavioral/social issues. There's no doubt about it.
The person who was called in to help him is absolutely top-notch in her field of education, therapy and counseling. I have known her for years and am quite familiar with her area of training, experience and expertise. If she couldn't help him, then the problem with this young child would have been great enough to get him help that was much more intensive than what could have been done in a private school setting.
I saw the previews for next week and they are getting etiquette lessons at the table and the "teacher" tells them that a cardinal sin while eating is cell phones at the table. I believe that it was Mady on hers that he was talking about but others may have been on theirs as well.
I saw the preview for next week about no phones at the table. It seems like Kate says something along the lines of "well when you have 8 kids you need your phone at the table." Not sure if that is what happened but her kids were at the table with her! Well, all except Collin, but she didn't say "well when you send your son away..."
NJGal51 said... 124
I saw the previews for next week and they are getting etiquette lessons at the table and the "teacher" tells them that a cardinal sin while eating is cell phones at the table. I believe that it was Mady on hers that he was talking about but others may have been on theirs as well.
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And don't chew with your mouth open or spit your food out!
Proper dining etiquette is something that I hope the kids pick up somewhere, cuz it ain't happening at home where they get food plopped onto their plates, prison style.
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The person who was called in to help him is absolutely top-notch in her field of education, therapy and counseling. I have known her for years and am quite familiar with her area of training, experience and expertise.
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Was this person treating him all through his years at LCDS (after he was allowed back)? And was she specially called in BY the school just for him?
First salvo of the day. Truth hurts, eh Doofus?
michelle @mnmomof2inohio 12h12 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 the tabloids are being brutal as is the haters.I feel saddened that people are so mean.I will say a prayer for you today😞💔🙏🏻
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@mnmomof2inohio @Kateplusmy8 Sad indeed! #Tabloids R the reading material of the gossip mongers & people who live 4negativity! #SewerLit101
She knows no bounds nor truth.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 55s55 seconds ago
Real life issues, doctors & specialists, the time came to step up & make the hard choice! #WhatMomsDo @Kateplusmy8
Amelia Earhart: "The most difficult thing is the decision to act, the rest is merely tenacity."
Etiquette lessons? Are they going to learn how to serve themselves at the table?
Sad but true said... 128
First salvo of the day. Truth hurts, eh Doofus?
michelle @mnmomof2inohio 12h12 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 the tabloids are being brutal as is the haters.I feel saddened that people are so mean.I will say a prayer for you today😞💔🙏🏻
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack
@mnmomof2inohio @Kateplusmy8 Sad indeed! #Tabloids R the reading material of the gossip mongers & people who live 4negativity! #SewerLit101
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Well I guess we'll find out when it goes to trial, huh?
Well, look who's on IG again. Guess all the questions about Alexis prompted her to trot her out for the photo. Although clearly by Alexis's expression, she knows she's been posed.
kateplusmy8 Bedtime stories...❤️📖🐶 #Alexis #Shoka
Like day follows night.
miloandjack2016 Oh whst a #GoodPapaDawg he is! #Shoka calmly supporting & listening to Alexis! I bet she will sleep well. Does he sleep in her room sometimes? @kateplusmy8
CC said... 125
I saw the preview for next week about no phones at the table. It seems like Kate says something along the lines of "well when you have 8 kids you need your phone at the table." Not sure if that is what happened but her kids were at the table with her! Well, all except Collin, but she didn't say "well when you send your son away..."
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Exactly! If you have all your kids with you why do you need your phone at the table? When I was a kid in the 70s we had a rule that we didn't even answer the (wall-hung) phone during dinner. And that was before answering machines.
On IG, you can buy "likes" (those hearts) as well as followers, right? Cuz I don't believe 735 likes in 15 minutes.
Also interesting on IG: She hit 100K followers on Tuesday night. Usually that number increases by a couple hundred a day (99.4K, 99.6K, etc.), almost like clockwork. Since it got to 100K, though, the number has not moved at all, not even 100 new followers in 48 hours. Something does not compute. Maybe they stop with the hundreds when they get to 100K?
She knows no bounds nor truth.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 55s55 seconds ago
Real life issues, doctors & specialists, the time came to step up & make the hard choice! #WhatMomsDo @Kateplusmy8
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Milo is scouring the internet for platitudes. The heck with the kids. What kids? It's all about Kate, always and forever, world without end. Amen.
When is Gladys getting her psych evaluation? The two of them can walk hand in hand to the clinic, locked together in love and lust.
You know she's hanging by a thread when she feels compelled to answer a question from Milo.
kateplusmy8 No he's stationed by the front door these days. His choice:) And Mak has taken over the boys room... Talk about adorable!!:) And I guess we know where Nanuq sleeps...in my room... and she even allows me to sleep here too lol @miloandjack2016
@Sad but true Im surprise Milo isn't trying to deflect and congratulate Kate on getting 100k followers.I guess the media atm is keeping her busy.
It is so irritating to see the fans write, over and over, that you can't judge Kate because she has 8 kids. You'd be stressed too, you'd yell a lot too, walk a mile in her shoes etc. Obviously they never put themselves in the kids' shoes. How can they ever think it is okay for those kids to be screamed at constantly by their mother? Wouldn't that be stressful for the kids? Is that fair to the kids? The answer, of course, is no. It's not fair to them, and it is not okay for them to be subjected to Kate's tirades. They are humans too. They have feelings. Their treatment at the hands of their mother will shape the adults they end up being. If there are issues due to the way their mother treated them, how can that ever be excused? It's not their fault there rare 8 of them.
Milo has no proof this was really Kate's "choice". In fact all signs suggest it was a placement order made by others.
I guess the day's developments call for chatting up the fans.
ginazap18Our puppy (he's four) loves when my son reads and does homework. He is right next to him. So cute. 🐶🐶 @kateplusmy8 your puppies were so cute in the last episode. Made us want another one. Love watching your show!!
mamamiamarcie Are you going to breed and sell puppies? They are beautiful dogs. I'm sure people would line up and pay up for one of your pups. 😃
kateplusmy8 Aaden almost always does his homework sitting right next to Mak. For some reason the cuteness combination of my kids and my fur kids chokes me up often...probably partly bc I'm getting more sentimental by the day now, lol! :) @ginazap18
Awww, she's all choked up. But of course. And don't get her thinking about people lining up to pay for pups. She'll get $$$$ in her eyes.
You know it was only a few years ago that Kate was baking her own bread, doing it "all alone", and posting pic after pic of her perfect family to show how well-adjusted they were. And Milo was constantly tweeting about what a great mom she was! And how their family was happy and healthy and well-adjusted! And they worked together and learned so many valuable things from their perfect mother!
We knew it wasn't true, and now it's obvious. If C had such behavioral issues to be sent away you know that house was no haven of peace, love and tranquility.
There is a restaurant in Atlanta that has big, round wooden tables and chairs and they make the food and put it in the nice old fashioned McCoy, Fire King and nice dishes and bowls. About 8 people at a table and it is like at your grandmothers!
People sitting next to each other that have never met. The pass the dishes and bowls of food around and serve themselves. There is a line very deep to eat there for lunch. When it is time to replenish the bowls of food, a waitress brings a fresh bowl of collard greens, mac and cheese.
I could not imagine TFW and the kids at this place. She is too controlling.
It is so irritating to see the fans write, over and over, that you can't judge Kate because she has 8 kids. You'd be stressed too, you'd yell a lot too, walk a mile in her shoes etc. Obviously they never put themselves in the kids' shoes.
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I don't recall that being said before unless I missed it, but what an excellent comment. Why must we always put ourselves in Kate's shoes? Why can't we put ourselves in the children's shoes???
Walk a mile in the shoes of a child alienated from a loving father, who have completely lost any hope of private childhoods, who are being raised by a narcissist and a revolving door of nannies and camera crews. Who endured physical and emotional abuse on numerous occasions. Why does understanding of Kate take priority over thinking of them and what their lives look like under her reign?
Layla said... 140
It is so irritating to see the fans write, over and over, that you can't judge Kate because she has 8 kids. You'd be stressed too, you'd yell a lot too, walk a mile in her shoes etc.
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But the thing that makes me craziest about this sort of argument is, it DENIES that ALL this was Kate's choice! Not my choice, not your choice, HER choice. I get not wanting the selective reduction for religious reasons (well, for as long as that schtick lasted). But since I really do believe she actively engineered this HOM event, she bloody well chose her own frickin' shoes, and I have no interest in walking in them or an iota of sympathy for her situation---although I do feel very sorry for her children.
People who already have two children they can barely afford have no business looking to get knocked up again, unless they EXPECT other people to help them out. The fans refuse to factor in her irresponsibility for the whole state of affairs. Jon's role, I believe, was not only incidental, it was probably not even conscious, in the sense that he had no idea this was her goal. That doesn't mean he's off the hook responsibility-wise, just that I think she pretty much rooked him from the get-go. And yes, that's HIS mistake and oh boy is he paying for it. So this whole line of argument, from my point of view, is the very height of absurdity.
So creepy. Does she have an off switch?
miloandjack2016No surprise #PricesdNanuq is taking over your room! LOL. #Shoka...well of course...#ManOfTheHouse guarding the front door! @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 LOL. I just noticed Alexis has a #PuttyCat on her nite shirt??? @
miloandjack2016 Geez...my spelling is atrocious! Ignore my numerous typos above! LOL Wonder if getting up so early does this?? 😋 @kateplusmy8
@localyocul I remember a year ago when the fans would claim how all of Kate's kids look happy and healthy and how Kate claimed that they were all at the top of their classes.Obviously none of Kate's fans can say that anymore ever since the Collin situation.I really hope someone saved that tweet from milo where she straight up blamed Collin for his issues by saying something along the lines of"At least Kate has 1 kid who gives her problems out of 8."or something along those lines.
localyocul said... 143
You know it was only a few years ago that Kate was baking her own bread, doing it "all alone" . . .
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I still laugh out loud when I think of her yoghurt-maker with the French "receptacle." :) Good times.
"Yes, TLC said they go to "help with the hurricane."
Does anyone besides Milo believe this? It just happens to be near a tourist destination, and Kate is feeling generous. Give me a break.
Sad but true said... 149
localyocul said... 143
You know it was only a few years ago that Kate was baking her own bread, doing it "all alone" . . .
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I still laugh out loud when I think of her yoghurt-maker with the French "receptacle." :) Good times.
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LOL I forgot about that!
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Bullysh1tville @Bullyvile1 30m30 minutes ago
@MiloandJack @mnmomof2inohio @Kateplusmy8 I agree Milo,remember when the tabs were spreading negative rumors bout jon being homeless?
LOL!! Remember when Milo was spreading negativity and rumors about Jon having a restraining order against him, and stealing food from Kate? She certainly has done her share of spreading rumors and innuendo. What a dope.
Sad, 147...Milo did have an off switch, but LOM has used it so often that it's broken and is no longer functional.
I still laugh about the bread maker that sliced the bread as it baked!
Reading TFW's instagram, it looks like the dogs are on guard duty. Wonder if she's had a scare or two.
And don't chew with your mouth open or spit your food out!
Proper dining etiquette is something that I hope the kids pick up somewhere, cuz it ain't happening at home where they get food plopped onto their plates, prison style.
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And Mom sits there with her arms and elbows on the table, slouched over, shoveling food into her mouth. Her table manners are appalling.
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Bullysh1tville @Bullyvile1 30m30 minutes ago
@MiloandJack @mnmomof2inohio @Kateplusmy8 I agree Milo,remember when the tabs were spreading negative rumors bout jon being homeless?
LOL!! Remember when Milo was spreading negativity and rumors about Jon having a restraining order against him, and stealing food from Kate? She certainly has done her share of spreading rumors and innuendo. What a dope.
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Milo is too dumb. She wouldn't get the irony in the tweet.
jolie Jacquelyn said... 153
Reading TFW's instagram, it looks like the dogs are on guard duty. Wonder if she's had a scare or two.
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Well, now she WAS in "full protection mode" from Jon back in May don't forget.
What hurricane? I thought the only hurricane of any substance This year turned out to be a big ole bust.
I am sure that if I had 8 kids I would not be like Kate. I would hug them and kiss them and tell them they are loved. Of course they would misbehave in the ways kids do but I would not beat them. I would be frustrated and exhausted. But 8 kids did not force Kate to be the way she is. That is her personality.
There's a lot we don't know about brains. We do know that being preemie can cause developmental issues (can not will). Early intervention is the most helpful but parents have to ask for help. Sometimes problems aren't noticed until school age. As any teacher can tell you, you don't get 8 identical children in your classroom. Yet these kids were forced to be identical. Hold some back, push others forward, only the middle ones do well. I don't even know if LCDS has the different special ed classrooms that a public school would have. I doubt it. In public school, C could have been in a class with an IEP, more individual attention, maybe an aide assigned to him. Instead Kate somehow forced LCDS to take him back. Eventually, he must have been completely out of sync with the others his age.
If there is a custody trial, it's not open to the public is it?
There is a restaurant in Atlanta that has big, round wooden tables and chairs and they make the food and put it in the nice old fashioned McCoy, Fire King and nice dishes and bowls. About 8 people at a table and it is like at your grandmothers!
People sitting next to each other that have never met. The pass the dishes and bowls of food around and serve themselves. There is a line very deep to eat there for lunch. When it is time to replenish the bowls of food, a waitress brings a fresh bowl of collard greens, mac and cheese.
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We have quite a few similar restaurants here, family-style restaurants. It's mostly the tourists who frequent them because to them, it's a rural, country type thing that they've never seen before.
The big bowls of real live mashed potatoes, swimming in butter, are to die for. No collard greens, though. Not healthy food on those tables, just down-home PA Dutch cooking, lots of it fried. I do remember having fresh-picked dandelion salad with hot bacon and egg dressing, there in the spring (Easter dinner).
Does anyone know when the court hearing is scheduled? Will TFMJG call the paps? She shouldn't since there is the gag order.
jolie Jacquelyn said... 153
Reading TFW's instagram, it looks like the dogs are on guard duty.
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Shoka has always slept by (or outside in front of) her front door, his bed's been pictured out there many times. As for Mak? I wonder if he's sleeping in the boys' room to prevent them from escaping.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 157
It might not have been classified as a hurricane, but the terrible rain/flooding in August in Lousiana Here's a link:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/18/us/louisiana-flooding/
My guess is they were nowhere near this, they probably packed some backpacks or visited a Red Cross shelter far from the front line.
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 152
LOL, I'm beginning to think that LOM must be very adept at deflection, you couldn't be with someone like this 30+ years and not be an expert at tuning out.
Ncgirl (#150), and it would've been infinitely more helpful if TLC had taken whatever it cost to do this episode (airfare, hotels, meals for TFW, the kids, Steve, and the crew) and just made a lump donation to the cause.
Whatever "giving back" we see probably caused more trouble than it helped -- between getting permits, and the invasive camera crew, and the spectacle of TFW
and the kids. Gimme a break.
Fleecing The Sheeple (#154), don't forget Ma Kettle reaching across the table to grab other people's food, like she did at that fancy restaurant with Jon. If he'd done the same with her food, she probably would've stabbed him with her fork.
I am not on Twitter. I do not have a Twitter account. I have never had a Twitter account, but I noticed that many times my comments on here end up on Kate's TL! ;)
What's new with the Church Basement Ladies? Has Boosh and/or Ted Cruise kilt anyone else? Do they still want the electrical college abolished? I get a big kick out of them. Their Malapropisms are priceless.
Maybe Mak has taken over the boys' room because he senses their loss, and wants to be their companion while their brother is away. Their mother seems to be blind to how that loss is effecting them.
And I don't believe for a moment that TFW gets choked up about anything. She's as sentimental as a jock strap (gosh, I miss
AuntieAnn).
If there is a custody trial, it's not open to the public is it?
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I believe it is.my ex demanded a custody trial and they didn't lock the doors or anything
. I do remember having fresh-picked dandelion salad with hot bacon and egg dressing, there in the spring (Easter dinner).
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OMG, warm bacon dressing wilting fresh spinach below, with hard boiled eggs and bits of crispy bacon...
People don't know what they're missing!
FlimsyFlamsy said... 167
Maybe Mak has taken over the boys' room because he senses their loss, and wants to be their companion while their brother is away. Their mother seems to be blind to how that loss is effecting them.
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Or maybe Mak misses Collin and wants to be where his scent is.
Localyocul (#170), aw, that might be right, too. Are the kids allowed to talk about how they feel with their mom? We all know TFW considers their father public enemy #1. But is C an acceptable topic of conversation?
I do hope all the kids, are receiving some sort of emotional support somehow, and a safe place to share their feelings. Because if TFW's tweets and the birthday episode is any clue, the loss of their brother at home is simply out of sight, out of mind.
Six months is an awfully long time. And I just realized -- now it's 6 girls (including TFW) against 2 boys in that house. They're doomed.
There was no hurricane in New Orleans. There was flooding from rain event. Geez.
Time to show Alexis on Instagram. Obviously, Kate reads here. So all is right with the world, Kate? No drugged up daughter? No banished son? Dogs are like your children? No Jon taking you to court? Ratings are A-OK and TLC will support you matter what?
Exactly! If you have all your kids with you why do you need your phone at the table? When I was a kid in the 70s we had a rule that we didn't even answer the (wall-hung) phone during dinner. And that was before answering machines.
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Yep! Not only were we not allowed to answer the phone during any family meal, but those who called over mealtimes were labeled "rude" by my mother. Lol.
It's a little different now, since it's so much easier to just send a text or leave a voice mail and the person can get back to you at their convenience, but there is something to be said for making sure that family meal times are free of distractions.
That said, I don't think it's appropriate for a waiter to sneer at someone on their phone. If they want to be uncouth that's their choice.
I think they were at a manners or etiquette class which was why the man was telling them to put their phones away, that it's considered bad manners and Kate thought she'd be cute by hiding it under her leg. You know, Ms. Rule Follower?
Sad but true said... 161
jolie Jacquelyn said... 153
Reading TFW's instagram, it looks like the dogs are on guard duty.
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Shoka has always slept by (or outside in front of) her front door, his bed's been pictured out there many times. As for Mak? I wonder if he's sleeping in the boys' room to prevent them from escaping.
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I think it is wonderful that Mak is staying in the boys room at night. He knows Collin is missing. It has to be some comfort to A and J.
She is such a horrible mother. Even though what has come out so far, I am afraid much more is going to come out during the trial that is going to be so outrageous and unforgivable on TFW's watch.
I hope this doesn't happen.
Sad, but true, when you said, that Mak was there so the boys wouldn't escape, it reminded me of the AG episode of Barney's Bloodhound. Barney is being kept hostage in a cabin in the woods by a crook and Barney's dog, named Blue is watching him.
Barney raises up out of the chair and tries to step quietly to the door and Blue jumps up, barks and alerts the crook. The crook praises Blue and tells him to keep an eye on him. Reminds me of TFW, a controller, ruling with an iron fist.
FlimsyFlamsy #167
And I don't believe for a moment that TFW gets choked up about anything. She's as sentimental as a jock strap
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*coffee thru nose* !! But yeah, she can't muster up a fake tear when explaining about Colin but cries at the site of her dogs...geez.
Kris (#174), when the etiquette guy was talking to her, TFW probably just heard "blah blah blah" -- like she admitted about the dog breeder. And who could forget her mocking that poor tour guide who was trying to share interesting stories on the train?
TFW has shown herself to be a very ill-mannered woman. How there are still fans who see her as a role model is beyond me.
That said, I don't think it's appropriate for a waiter to sneer at someone on their phone. If they want to be uncouth that's their choice.
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It wasn't a waiter that said something about the phones. TFW said that they took an etiquette class and the comment of phones at the table was during the class.
My thoughts are that Maks was brought in to take the place of Collin. He's now in the boys' room. So I guess Nanuk is Nala's replacement? Unless Alexis is on her way out the door too...
Maybe Mak has taken over the boys' room because he senses their loss, and wants to be their companion while their brother is away.
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Or maybe Mak misses Collin and wants to be where his scent is.
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I'd just say that Kate wants to make sure someone will let the dog out or clean up after him during the night.
Why hasn't Gladys mentioned the 100K Insta followers? She's falling down on the job. Spending too much time scouring the internet for treacly platitudes. We've mentioned it here a few times -- I thought surely she'd carry the news over to TFW.
#InstaSensation#PicturePerfectMom#CWho?
Okay, so my question about IG followers answered itself. After 100K, they no longer count hundreds. She's now got 101K.
Admin (145),
Oh yes, if you look at Facebook comments or the comments on articles about Kate, the fans always defend her by saying "you'd be stressed too if you had 8 kids", "you'd yell a lot if you had 8 kids", "don't judge unless you've walked in her shoes", etc. never a mention of walking in the kids' shoes. They are raised with a shrew who screams and freaks out about every little thing, and who excuses her behavior by blaming it on the fact that she has 8 kids. She's putting the blame on the kids--it is their fault that she yells so much. They are growing up with not just the dysfunction of all that screaming, but also the guilt for being the cause of it all.
Kate and her supporters use the classic abuser's reasoning--"it's your fault I treat you this way".
Was this person treating him all through his years at LCDS (after he was allowed back)? And was she specially called in BY the school just for him?
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I don't know. That's a confidential matter between the child, the school, and the therapist. I didn't know that she was called in until the communication (mentioning her name) was made public.
Is it possible to find out when the trial is? At the very least I hope he finds out where C is..that evil narcissistic bitch. ...sorry can't the cruelty anymore
PA Dutch Mom said... 184
I don't know. That's a confidential matter between the child, the school, and the therapist. I didn't know that she was called in until the communication (mentioning her name) was made public.
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"Made public" as in the general public? Or only to people connected to the school?
One more question, I know you don't like to be specific, but in YOUR opinion, was Collin's removal from her home the only right course for him? Or do you feel she went to the extreme of the options available to her?
Layla (#183), and TFW has been on the record saying 2 absolutely horrific things.
That finding out she was pregnant with the 6 (then it was 7) was the worst day of her life.
And that if she had it to do all over again, she wouldn't.
I have a friend who had 2 much older siblings, and her mother often referred to
her to other people as "her little mistake." She is now SIXTY years old, and has never quite gotten over that. Words hurt.
kris said... 174
I think they were at a manners or etiquette class which was why the man was telling them to put their phones away, that it's considered bad manners and Kate thought she'd be cute by hiding it under her leg. You know, Ms. Rule Follower?
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She is a Contract Honorer, just ask Dr. Lafair.
She does what she wants, when she wants and moves on, leaves people in the destruction, aftermath and DUST and was never held accountable.
Until now. I think that day is here now.
I would like to know if Collin is actually there sitting at the table with his brothers and sisters at the French restaurant.
From what has been released, Tuesday's episode looks like a total snooze fest. If they did any "giving back", it was the bare minimum they could get away with. And etiquette lessons? How laughable. This is a woman completely lacking anything resembling manners, and any one-time lesson will be lost on the kids, who are observing her on a daily basis. Who will they learn from, the one-time etiquette instructor or the mom who eats like a truck driver?
Sounds to me like they are completely out of ideas, and are trying to find ways of mixing up old stuff to make it seem new.
It looks like the birthday episode was the actual premiere and the 10-year thing was supposed to be a special. Last year, remember, the premiere was discussed on news programs for its low ratings. Last year's premiere got 955,000. This year it was 860,000. 95,000 lower. Moving in the right direction if you ask me!
jongosselin1VINYL!!! All new setup!!! It's taken 3 years!!! But thanks to very supportive family, friends and my lovely gf!!! I'm on my way to enjoying this craft!!! Thank you everyone!
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Jon got dual vinyl turntables for DJing. Seems like he's busy and continuing to strive for improving his craft.
I'm happy that he seems to be loving his new career, his gf, friends and family.
That's my definition of success.
Now, I hope he can get shared custody, REAL shared custody, and heal the deep wounds that have fractured his relationship with some of his children.
It would be wonderful for Jon to have all 8 kids gathered in his home, feeling free to speak their minds and live, at least momentarily, as free, private human beings.
What does Jon's work schedule look like? Does he usually work nights & weekends? Won't that be a problem with the judge?
It sure was a problem in my divorce. I had never had a job in my life when my husband left me. So I found a job as a waitress (nights & weekends) & the judge then gave him custody of our children because of my hours.
Catch 22.
Tucker's Mom (#190), thanks for posting that. Vinyl is having a huge resurgence, and this could make Jon much more marketable for potential gigs. Things are looking up for him, both personally and professionally.
And then there's TFW -- sending a child away from home because she couldn't figure out how to help him, and frantically tweeting strangers in hopes of staying relevant.
Who's the mediocre one?
You have seen small snippets of him on television. Nothing more. That does not give you a basis for judgment of this child's psychological health.
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Because of Kate we know a lot about Collin. Kate co-hosted Entertainment Tonight with Mary Hart and talk about Colin and Alexis being kicked out of kindergarten. Then Kate went back on TV and said the reason for the kick out was medical and both were on now meds. Kate wrote three books detailing her kids' lives. Kate filmed over 150 hours of her kids daily lives and asked the public to tune in. Kate has given NUMEROUS magazine interviews and TV interviews about her kids. Kate has put her kids on numerous magazine covers. Kate told People magazine in 2010 that her kids were in bad trouble and that a therapist was going to their home. Also we have read her own words in her diary that was made public when the kids were toddlers and they just started filming. Her own words detailed her actions and thoughts about Colin when he was a small boy. Kate looked at the camera on her show and told us over a year ago that Collin would not be attending the same school as the other kids due to his behavior. Kate gave People magazine a whole cover article about Colin being away. The cover of the magazine had the whole family EXCEPT Colin. How cruel is that.
Shame on Kate for making her precious children public fodder. Of course we are going to speculate. All of America is. Just wait until a few years when Colin realizes ALL that been said by HIS Mother concerning his behavioral problems. NONE of this should have been made public. Kate should have said no more filming when she realized a few years ago some of her kids were not doing well. But fame and fortune is more important to her.
Why does all of America need to know that a wonderful 12 year old is removed from the home. I despise her for that. But she HAD to do it because she knew the public would be questioning it because her reality show about her kids were ready to air and we all would wonder where is Colin. She should have told TLC no more filming. Then all of America would not need to know Colin has behavioral problems.
I've noticed something interesting about TFW's Twitter behavior. In the early days, she tried to at least pretend to care about the fans' lives, saying things like, "What's new with you guys?" And "I've missed U!"
Now she doesn't seem to even both. They provide undying support and compliments, and she accepts it.
And about that possible 13th birthday party including the fans...I actually think TFW would do it, IF it was filmed and televised, and she got a paycheck for it. But doing anything just out of the goodness of her
heart to show her appreciation to the fans? Ain't gonna happen.
Why does all of America need to know that a wonderful 12 year old is removed from the home. I despise her for that. But she HAD to do it because she knew the public would be questioning it because her reality show about her kids were ready to air and we all would wonder where is Colin. She should have told TLC no more filming. Then all of America would not need to know Colin has behavioral problems.
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She chose a DECK for the safety, health and wealth of happiness over telling TLC to stop filming the children!
The Compound Tower of Cards is crumbling!
So happy for Jon! He is humble. He thanked his supportive family, friends, his GF. Jon's gigs are not every night. I believe he can get joint custody without a problem.
I love that Jon said on the interview, WHEN I get custody, I am making 2 calls, I can't remember the first one, but the second one was, TLC. TO STOP FILMING!
Wow, she must of exploded when she got wind of that!
I think Jon's job as a DJ is actually pretty good for having kids. He works hours that his kids will be asleep. It gives him a lot of time to spend with them after school and before bed. And all week long during the summer.
As long as he has someone in the home there with them while he's working at night I don't see why it would be a problem.
Leslie said...193
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She is so crazy. She wants it private, then she blasts it on tv for the world to see forever. Blasts it on the internet for the world to see forever.
These words came out of her mouth.
We are on tv and that makes it YOUR BUSINESS.
You can't have it both ways! She has to do this to keep the money train going. Getting paid for showing pictures of the kids during interviews. Filming the show. Doing appearances.
It obviously doesn't matter to her what it is.
Even filming the birthday party without a birthday boy.
She has no soul.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 141
Milo has no proof this was really Kate's "choice". In fact all signs suggest it was a placement order made by others.
Admin - any chance that she is even unaware of where Collin is? As in, removed from the home and being kept safe from TFW?
GollyGee (#195), yep, the deck was of dire importance to the health and well being of her family, and she said that was no exaggeration. That was her desperate attempt to thwart any chatter about the expense -- especially when we know her income is based on exploiting her kids.
Won't it be eye opening if some professional is hired to review Jon's and TFW's monthly spending habits in relation to being suitable parents? TFW has things like her hair extensions, botox, french tips, spa visits, clothes, etc. But I can't imagine she's spent much on groceries lately -- probably snagged a 6 months' supply of everything at Costco when it was on TLC's dime. I have no idea what Jon spends, but I do know those new turntables he was so excited about are for his job, which will hopefully
win him back some custody time.
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