Kate creates a scavenger hunt for the sextuplets' 12th Birthday! The boys and girls are split into teams and compete to find clues that will eventually to their big party!
I also see no problem with Jon's job. Kate has (and probably continues to) spent a great deal of time traveling, away from the kids, when they were in her custody. Her house had a revolving door there for awhile. Robert reported that Kate and Steve would leave for days and weeks, only to return, unpack, do laundry, do spa/mani/pedi/tan, and then repack and hit the road again. Leaving the kids waving goodbye in the driveway to their mom in the limousine.
"G'bye kids -- I just sued Daddy because you're not safe with him. See ya in a month! Don't call me, and I won't call you!" ****** How can that be??? Kate sits at home, beside the phone, waiting to hear what child wants to come back home from Jon's!
The really astonishing thing about Kate's disgusting verbal vomit on Live, was that she was jetting off to Los Cabos with Steve. Off to a 5-star resort for a lux photo shoot and other hedonistic pleasures, while her kids were back at the compound with their nanny sitter. When you realize just how bad Colin's situation was, as it was unfolding at that point in time, it's even more exasperating.
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I'm hoping all of you are right.. She's been Teflon so long that I'm still not getting my hopes up until she gets a psych eval.
BTW.. My husband's mother was my sitter & that still wasn't good enough for the judge. But my (then) husband didn't really want custody & sent them packing back to me within the first year. He wanted his freedom & is now a lonely old man after 4 marriages.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 2 Tucker's Mom (#1), and most notably, TFW left town right after filing that law suit against TFW, saying he was a danger to his children. _____
I think it's right around this time, too, that she started playing fast and loose with the terms of their visitation schedule. Before this, she seemed okay (not nice or accommodating, but "okay") with the terms they mutually decided when they divorced. Even though she wasn't filming at the time, you can be sure she was pestering TLC for a return (and she did, right after she finished filming CA). So in that six-month period, between her cookbook road show and CA, we know she was away from her kids for at least 7-8 weeks, maybe more. And there was only one visit, that we know of, the kids going to NYC for a day during CA.
Before this, I think Jon was still getting his kids (all of the tups if not the twins) on their alternating schedule of holidays, etc. After SHE decided he was a "danger" to them, that's when I think it all turned to crap. And once TLC was back in the picture, Daddy was at the bottom of her list.
Nice that the judge dismissed that case against Jon, WITH prejudice. Yet another thing the present judge should take a very close look at---I hope Jon's lawyer pulls out all her quotes in the tabs about how the lawsuit is for her children's "safety." McGiblets did her a real good turn with that debacle.
Ashton Kutcher on his newborn son and 2 yo daughter:
"We'd like to allow our kids to make their own choices on whether to have a life in the public eye or not," Kutcher told A Plus over the phone. "We don't want to make the choice for them."
BTW.. My husband's mother was my sitter & that still wasn't good enough for the judge. But my (then) husband didn't really want custody & sent them packing back to me within the first year. He wanted his freedom & is now a lonely old man after 4 marriages.
****** It sounds like you had a really rough time of it with your divorce and custody. I'm glad you got your kids back where they were loved and wanted ;-)
But these kids don't really need a sitter much these days. Jon should be able to drive them to/from the bus as needed, which is what makes his work better than a 9-5. It sounds like his GF is supportive as well, which would really make things run smoothly. We've seen a couple photos of her with the "usual four," and they looked quite comfortable, even HAPPY, with her. The twins are unlikely to be around much one way or the other. It would be nice if they start making some time to see their dad, but I don't expect them (and I'm sure Jon doesn't) to do overnights with him. So really, the only "new" in this proposal is Alexis and Collin, IF Collin comes home. AND enforcing a regular schedule, that would be new, too. I think that's really what he wants. No more filming on his time, if he got that I think he'd be happy.
1) If they come up with a custody schedule where Jon has more time, and holidays are split, and she is made to comply with it.
2) If he gets shared legal custody and can veto some of her decisions. Personally, I think her actions in refusing to communicate with him and cooperate are grounds to switch sole legal custody to him.
TFW has shown herself to be a very ill-mannered woman. How there are still fans who see her as a role model is beyond me. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
My thoughts on this is that if these fans are watching the first 2 seasons and the very first specials, Kate did seem likable during this time. And I also think she has a lot of very young followers. I watched the first two seasons and on one episode which I think was the IKEA episode TFW made the comment about nobody vacuuming behind something and I thought, Hey, wait a minute. She says she does it all without help who is she referring to? Then I googled J&K8 and came across some blogs and at that point decided the realist reality show was not real at all. The current adult followers she has are either blind or they just do not care. I had two children that I raised 50% of the time by myself. My husband works as a firefighter and would work 24 hr shifts and then be home for 48 hrs. And although that seems like more time at home he would often work overtime or swap with someone else and if a nature disaster struck he would be gone weeks at a time. When hurricane Katrina hit he was gone for 3 1/2 weeks. And guess what. I managed to survive on my own without help around. She is just a lazy POS that needs to be brought down a few notches. I for one am sick of her Teflon self. My hope is that one day the 8 children will have the opportunity to read for themselves how people did try to go to bat for them and that people did care enough to boycott the show and write to try and get it off the air. I know I am rambling but I am very emotional today. A young mother of 3 small children passed away at the age of 25 on Tuesday from cervical cancer. She lived not far from where I live so it has been big news. Anyway, I just find it so unfair that she would do anything to be here to see her children grow upand wasn't given the opportunity but TFW (and no I do not wish death on her) just goes about her day sending her child away as if nothing is wrong. And for the record, when this mother was diagnosed and a friend set up a GOfundme acct, people actually wanted her to prove she had cancer! Google her if you like her name was Megan Zipperer.
2) If he gets shared legal custody and can veto some of her decisions. Personally, I think her actions in refusing to communicate with him and cooperate are grounds to switch sole legal custody to him. December 2, 2016 at 1:14 PM ***** I wonder, strategically speaking, if Jon will go for full custody, based on Kate's past behavior. If he wins more custody time with the kids, great. But, what's to stop Kate from pulling the same shit over and over again? I wonder if Jon will go for full custody, with Kate getting supervised visitation, because she simply can not be trusted.
Then I googled J&K8 and came across some blogs and at that point decided the realist reality show was not real at all. ***** Sara- I also Google *very* early on because I came across the show and it caught my attention. I was particularly intrigued because I was picking up that Jon and Kate were from the Philly surrounds-maybe NJ- and I wanted to see where they lived.
WELL!! What I came across in addition to that information was quite eye opening. Even back then!
My husband works as a firefighter and would work 24 hr shifts and then be home for 48 hrs. And although that seems like more time at home he would often work overtime or swap with someone else and if a nature disaster struck he would be gone weeks at a time. When hurricane Katrina hit he was gone for 3 1/2 weeks. And guess what. I managed to survive on my own without help around. ***** Much respect for spouses of public servants whose duty comes first, and whose job involves bodily danger. You have Herculean strength, truly.
SaraMRN2010 (#11), so sorry to hear about that young woman. What a tragic situation. Yes, it certainly does make you want to shake your fist at the unfairness of things. And thanks for sharing your own story about managing your household under challenging conditions. It seems like if both parents are on board with having the children's best interests at heart, almost anything can be worked out. But that's where the G kids have gotten screwed -- their mother's only concern is her own best interests.
I for one am sick of her Teflon self ====\ AAAhhh...they are getting rid of teflon. They have found that it chips away and is TOXIC. What a metaphor, aye?
I know zip about the law, but here's what I'm wondering. We know TFW will fight to avoid any kind of investigation or court dates or evaluations. Won't it be funny if she uses filming as an excuse to continue postponing court dates, and some judge or other official says, uh, lady, these are KIDS -- why are they working? Get yourselves in here, period. She'd practically be making Jon's case for him.
"Made public" as in the general public? Or only to people connected to the school?
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If I recall, the name of the local therapist helping Collin was mentioned somewhere online, in a letter from the school, so it was put out there for public consumption. I remember reading it.
Would anything about their um, relationship, be allowed as evidence...evidence of what? How would that pertain to custody? She is legally divorced. _____
I imagine if she objects to Jon's living situation (shacking up with GF, the horror!) it would be within Jon's rights to rebut with the abundant evidence of Steve. If she and Steve are screaming at each other enough that Hannah wants to live with dad, then he must be there an awful lot of the time. Since that doesn't appear to matter as far as visitation is concerned, I don't think she'd get very far with this if she tried.
If the show isn't already dead from TLC's perspective, the one thing that would kill it is if Jon were to get custody of Collin and be able to take him home with him to live. If there's any rumble from his doctors that she is the cause of his "issues," I think that's the ballgame.
Sad but true (#25), and it might matter that Steve is married. Miss Contract Honorer might look kinda tacky dating someone who has a wife -- one she claimed to be her dear family friend.
That said, I'm still in the minority who doesn't believe TFW and Steve are intimate. Perhaps they were at some point, but I just don't see it. I think he is an extremely well paid babysitter, and has probably extended her shelf life in the entertainment business many years by steering her away from trouble.
Sad but true said... 26 If the show isn't already dead from TLC's perspective, the one thing that would kill it is if Jon were to get custody of Collin and be able to take him home with him to live. If there's any rumble from his doctors that she is the cause of his "issues," I think that's the ballgame.
****** I think it's the ball game if Kate is forced to keep to the schedule, and not cancel willy nilly so she can film. That would really restrict filming time. But yes, if Colin goes to Jon, that's the end of the "Plus 8".
That said, I'm still in the minority who doesn't believe TFW and Steve are intimate. ****** It doesn't appear that Steve had any designs on leaving his wife and kids for Kate, but I'll never believe that they never crossed the line. I think that happened pretty quickly.
I believe that something happened between TFW and Steve at some point and that she may have crossed the line before Jon did. If true, that's what I'd like to come out since Jon was the one vilified s an adulterer. Now? He's latched on to the gravy train and won't get off until it is derailed. If the writing is on the wall, he may just be her Svengali and will help her out with a YouTube channel or whatever else she things she can do. Anything to get the gravy train back on track.
Also Kate said on GMA that Colin's Drs. TOLD her he had to be removed from the home. I don't remember her exact wording but the bottom line was it was NOT Kate's decision for Colin to go away. But of course Kate could be lying through her teeth.
Im surprised milo isn't crying to Deanna on twitter about the stuff that's going on regarding the court issue.I still can't get over how she tried to act as an authority figure and that any negative thing about Kate was a lie.I wasn't here when sister Kendra spoke out but i remember going to the kendra post where you guys were posting tweets by her where she was claiming how the article lied and that Kate actually missed Kendra.Nothing came out of that though and it appears she hasn't been on twitter for a long time since that whole crazy tweet war.
Sorry if mentioned already. I just noticed that the birthday scavenger hunt was filmed when Kate has her driveway lined with flags, so it was around the 4th of July? How timely. Not. She came out of the house with a huge pitcher of water. Huh? If it's so hot out, fill a cooler with ice and water bottles.
just wondering said... 30 That said, I'm still in the minority who doesn't believe TFW and Steve are intimate. =========== I'm with you. He is her handler. ____
If that's really the case, that a 41-yo woman requires a wrangler to get her through life, yet another reason why TLC has to be out of their damned minds to be filming this family. I mean, really---are all her girls going to be looking for "Steve" for the rest of their lives? Will they be as helpless as Mommy?
I am not convinced that filming will be an issue where custody is concerned. I definitely feel that TLC has had enough of Kate. I suspect that the 10pm slot is due to advertising. It has long been said that there are issues with advertisers not wanting their ads to run during her show. Why would TLC give up a prime time slot (8 or 9pm) to a show that doesn't make maximum advertising dollars? They have to put her on at a time when they don't expect to make a lot of ad revenue. The show, however, costs a lot to produce. You can't tell me the Busbys are making $40K an episode yet, even though they may be worth a lot more as far as ad revenue is concerned. The shows that demand the high salaries are the longer-running shows that make TLC a lot of money. When you combine low revenue with high expenses, it is a losing situation for the network. Take her high salary, plus the kids salaries, money for trips for all those people, handlers, Steve, etc, and it can't be worth the trouble for them.
I think that Collin's absence might be the deal-breaker. The show is Kate Plus 8, not Kate Plus 7. We saw the contracts in Robert's book. All the kids had to be there for filming, even when they were sick. Collin was there for some of the filming, then he was gone. Did TLC know he was leaving? Or did they sign contracts, start filming, and suddenly Kate springs the news on the, that Collin won't be there, knowing that they will have to finish the season (or go through the expense of going to court). I believe that is what happened. She wanted filming to continue, even if it meant defrauding TLC. And she went for it. No never means no to her, remember? She did whatever it took to get what she wanted. TLC doesn't promote the show because they are done with her. The show belongs to them--they don't have to promote if they don't want to. And then they can cancel for low ratings. Too easy. At least, that's what I think is going on.
Leslie (32) If Collin's doctors told Kate that C had to be removed from the house, then those doctors believed that C's home environment was detrimental to his well-being. Not surprising, but still so sad for all the kids. Alexis seems medicated, the twins seem so angry...I saw the clip of the family yoga, and Mady was saying that she has issues with touching other people's hands. That is not normal.
Isn't it interesting that the kids who appear to be the most emotionally healthy are the ones who spend time with Jon?
Tucker's Mom said... 34 Sorry if mentioned already. I just noticed that the birthday scavenger hunt was filmed when Kate has her driveway lined with flags, so it was around the 4th of July? How timely. Not. She came out of the house with a huge pitcher of water. Huh? If it's so hot out, fill a cooler with ice and water bottles.
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Maybe it was Memorial Day? She claimed H broke her arm in gym the last day of school, and their birthday is in May isn't it
. . . The shows that demand the high salaries are the longer-running shows that make TLC a lot of money. When you combine low revenue with high expenses, it is a losing situation for the network. ____
The BIG exception to this is the Duggars' Counting On. They lost well over 1,000 advertisers who are showing no signs of coming back. TLC is reduced to running ads for its own shows plus low-revenue local ads whenever it's on. And I'm sure it costs quite a lot of money to produce. The sheer volume of "cast members" alone must make it extremely unwieldy.
Yeah, I do think if Collin's not coming back, she's done. They may give her a special or two for "milestones," or even a "where are they now" interview-type hour a la the McCaugheys, but I don't think she's coming back on the regular after this.
Tucker's Mom said... 34 . . . She came out of the house with a huge pitcher of water. Huh? If it's so hot out, fill a cooler with ice and water bottles. ____
This is probably her version of frugal. Ya know, if she was still writing a coupon blog, she could froth up 1,000 words to tell us how she saves money on bottled water by taking it from her tap.
You know craft services would have been fully stocked with cold bottled drinks. Again, all for show, no reality involved.
Layla said... 38 I saw the clip of the family yoga, and Mady was saying that she has issues with touching other people's hands. That is not normal. _____
I see a pretty direct line between that sentiment and Steve's pizza. Her non-OCD mother has turned her into a germaphobe.
Steve is her handler and I believe longtime lover or at the very least the reason for her filing divorce. Some men never marry their mistresses. Boo hoo, Kate.
Kate's job could be more of a problem than Jon's for the courts. It's unpredictable, and there's a fair argument harmful to the children who have to participate for her to be able to work. For that reason alone it's unstable--at any time they could suddenly refuse to film and then she's really in a jam. Her income has likely jumped up and down up and down for years now, which doesn't look good.
There will always be weddings and bat mitzvahs, and the schedule makes him easily available for anything the kids need during the day.
Also Kate said on GMA that Colin's Drs. TOLD her he had to be removed from the home. I don't remember her exact wording but the bottom line was it was NOT Kate's decision for Colin to go away. But of course Kate could be lying through her teeth.
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If the doctors told her she had to place him, they would have had to do it through proper legal channels. Doctors have no authority to detain your kid. Only social services and the courts can do that. Therefore, I do believe in fact she had no choice in the matter and in fact they did go through legal channels.
There was a big ole lawsuit right here in LA over a pediatrician who detained a child without court permission. Huge. She got in a boatload of trouble for it.
I just find it hard to believe that they are not divorced.
For a husband to be with his female client that many days and over nights, and weeks at a time FOR ALL THESE YEARS, oh, you bet your sweet bippie, we would be divorced!
I noticed on the look back show that Collin's name isn't listed on the schedule for computer use. Really? Just what is he allowed to do? There were moments during the igloo building segment that he was alone and furthest away from the group (on the wide shot of the group). He looked so sad and withdrawn. It seemed to me he wasn't allowed to speak, especially when Kate was nearby. My heart cries for him.
Steve is her handler and I believe longtime lover or at the very least the reason for her filing divorce. Some men never marry their mistresses. Boo hoo, Kate.
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She filed for divorce because he made it clear that he wanted the kids off television, to live normal childhoods without an invasion of privacy for the entertainment of the public. That didn't fit into her Master Plan.
I just find it hard to believe that they are not divorced.
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I find it hard to believe that no tabloids, no internet sleuths, no persistent inquiring minds have thus far found any docs or evidence of a divorce, even if records are sealed and one would have been obtained in NZ.
People talk, and info like that certainly would have found its way to the USA and into the lap of the gossip tabs.
Here is the exact quote from Kate's interview with GMA:
"It was not even really a choice — it was on the advice of his doctors. He's plodding along and we are too, but it was definitely necessary, and I'll go to the ends of the Earth for the best for each one of them. This is the best thing I can do for him right now." ============ Admin, you said, "If the doctors told her she had to place him, they would have had to do it through proper legal channels."
My question is if Kate agreed with the doctors without protest would they still have to go through legal channels. I think Colin had to have done something that was beyond his normal behavior. It must have been something pretty bad to another person or to an animal for his Drs. to say he MUST go to this other facility/school to get help. Remember it was stated in 2010 Collin was hitting adults/schoolmates in kindergarten so we know he is a hitter. We have witnessed this many times with our own eyes.
Sad but true (#44), that reminds me of one of my favorite "realest reality" moments from J&K+8: when TFW came out with a tray of cups of Juicy Juice, plus an unopened bottle of the stuff, label faced to the camera. As TFW so eloquently put it, our life is our show, and our show is our life.
Kate said this about Colin in her book. He was six years old at the time she wrote this: “sweet, kind and helpful” and praised his math skills, but revealed that he had a tendency to act out. “As you have grown, however, I must say you have also challenged my authority greatly…. At two and a half, you began testing and trying my parenting at every chance. I called Daddy at work many days crying because you would not obey. I had to ask you every day, ‘Who’s in charge here: you or me?’ You would reluctantly answer, ‘You are.’ As you have grown, this has not changed. You continue to be determined to do what you want to do, and I continue to try to rein you in.”
OMG, what is wrong with this woman. Again why does the whole world need to know this about her precious six year old son. It is cruel and totally unnecessary. Was it written so readers would have sympathy for her? It is documented in black and white bound in a book FOREVER. Of course, she wrote this only for MONEY!!
Any why was she asking a very small child who was in charge everyday? The child was probably at least 3 and no older than 5 when she was asking him this stupid question. This was when they were living and filming in their other home filming J&K Plus 8.
This was shown on Nightline on ABC. It is an eight-minute piece on the Gosselin family MESS. So now a whole new audience will get the full scope of what is happening with this family. I was curious what kind of ratings this show received. I found that in 2015 they had about 1.3 million viewers.
What I never noticed before was during Kate's GMA interview she was asked about Jon seeing the kids and if it was a possibility of Jon having an relationship with all the kids. She said she would love that BUT she did not know if it was possible. WOW! She is admitting that some of her kids will probably NOT have a relationship with him. Most are only 12 years old. It like she already knows it is not going to happen. Why? Because in the background she is alienating & orchestrating her children from him. Secretly she does not want the kids to have a relationship with him.
I hope this court hearing will result in a full-blown investigation of Kate and the way she is alienating her kids from their father. Something has to change.
I wonder what would happen if Colin's doctors told Kate and TLC that filming is detrimental for Colin. Would Kate care? Would TLC care? Would they just film without him? His doctors must know that all the filming for the past decade is NOT helping this young boy. Filming and talking about Colin' issues on TV and in magazines is SICK!
Admin., could the court forbid Kate to stop all filming if it is determined it is detrimental? They could look at the millions she has and determine that filming is NOT needed for her to raise these children. We know they already have college funds set-up. Wouldn't that be wonderful!
I encourage everybody to see this interview. Admittedly there is no new revelations but when you see all eight minutes of the dysfunction of this family it is shocking. It really does a great job of capturing the whole picture of what is going on.
I just found this interview from The Today Show with Meredith Vieira where Kate is talking about Colin and Alexis being expelled in 2010. It is crazy to see Kate lie, lie, lie. And look at her hair with no extensions. It is thin. She says what Colin and Alexis went through is totally NORMAL. She makes a point to say "NORMAL" at two different times in the interview. We know from the school letter that was sent to both Jon and Kate their behaviors were NOT normal at all. That is why they were expelled because the school could not handle Colin and Alexis. The school even gave them a special three week intensive program to help their behaviors to no avail.
She states that is has forgiven Jon and holds no anger toward him. Yes, she says that. And here we are six years later with tons of proof of the anger she holds toward him. And how she has transferred her anger toward Jon to her kids. So much so that half of them do not want to have a relationship with him.
Just stopping by said... 52 I noticed on the look back show that Collin's name isn't listed on the schedule for computer use. Really? Just what is he allowed to do? There were moments during the igloo building segment that he was alone and furthest away from the group (on the wide shot of the group). He looked so sad and withdrawn. It seemed to me he wasn't allowed to speak, especially when Kate was nearby. My heart cries for him.
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Witch, seriously? Collin is not allowed to get on the computer?
TLC, filming him further away from the group.
Oh, my. I am in tears. That poor little boy.
All this is on one person and that person is Kate Gosselin. She began hitting and beating them and verbally abusing them when they were babies and continues till today. C and A learned this from their mother.
She filed for divorce because he made it clear that he wanted the kids off television, to live normal childhoods without an invasion of privacy for the entertainment of the public. That didn't fit into her Master Plan. ---------------------
"I'm in charge, and that is NEVER gonna change." It was eerie how she made a motion over Jon's face, saying we have some "ironing out to do," when Jon said he no longer wanted to film. At that point, she knew Jon was no longer part of her plan. The show MUST go on for her sake, not the sake of her marriage and children. People in TFW's life are disposable, and she will move on as if nothing has changed. These kids are her accessories.
And why don't the 2 boys have access to their own computers? The girls use them at night, and the boys have to get up at 5am to do their homework. Those boys more than earned their own computers. The boys are always second class citizens. And it is sickening to me how she degrades them. She has "male issues" and really needs to see a psychiatrist. Ranting done.
IMO, Collin will never be back on the show, therefore it is no longer about the "8", and the show is toast. From what I've read, the show is one big yawn. If Kate thinks she can continue to MANIPULATE the family's dynamic by filming, she is mistaken. None of what is filmed or what she tweets is real. I wised up years ago because as the seasons aired, the story lines were more and more contrived with the desperation of putting the family in different situations. Now it's just plan ridiculous what is filmed ad nauseam and the kids are bundles of hot mess with now one child sent away and others with psychological problems. One thing TLC has not learned is that her show has reached an expiration date, although let's hope with the ratings plunge they must be just about there. She must have one hell of a contract to keep this gravy train rolling along for so many years or TLC feels she still brings in advertiser dollars. The show is a disgrace and an injustice to those children! What a slug of a mother that woman is.
Somehow I'm imagining TFW going from doctor to doctor, and finding out from all of them that filming is a terrible idea for C, and TFW leaving each office in a huff. Who knows how many professionals she consulted before she found one who she could convince to get C out of the house?
I'm dead serious -- I would put nothing past her. My opinion of her has never been lower. She is a horrible mother.
One thing TLC has not learned is that her show has reached an expiration date, although let's hope with the ratings plunge they must be just about there. She must have one hell of a contract to keep this gravy train rolling along for so many years or TLC feels she still brings in advertiser dollars. _____
I don't think her contract is in any way structured to favor her over TLC. I think she was desperate to come back, and I'm sure TLC was able pretty much to set their own terms. They've only filmed 22 or so episodes in 2.5 years---you know if Kate had any say, it would have been a lot more than that. They've given her a new title in the last dozen or so episodes ("producer," lol), but that's no skin off their nose. Maybe it brings her a nominal additional salary, no idea. Sent her to Mexico once, but otherwise all Stateside trips (you know she was holding out for Europe or Asia).
TLC is visibly struggling as a network. Most of their shows are losers or just strain the bonds of credulity/ decency to an extent that people just turn away. Which is why LPBW also came back after being cancelled, and why they found a way to re-tool/re-brand (not very successfully) the Duggar show. As a known quantity, Kate was a safe bet for a time, but the last thing they want from her right now is controversy, and here they are, smack dab in the middle of one. Not as big and bad as what engulfed the Duggars last year, but certainly high-profile and bad enough. And to the extent that they can be shown to have colluded in the viewer deception (not to mention the parental alienation), perhaps they will also have some liability problems in the not-too-distant future.
Contract or no---and I'm sure there isn't one that guarantees her any set number of episodes, she's a "day player" for them---I think they'll cut her loose again without a backwards glance.
TLC stinks said... 65 IMO, Collin will never be back on the show, therefore it is no longer about the "8", and the show is toast ****** Can you imagine the scrutiny? It's bad enough Kate splashed his condition on the front of People magazine and continued to film, but to put him back in front of the camera will be unconscionable. I'm hoping and thinking positively that professionals and judge will never allow that to happen again.
. At two and a half, you began testing and trying my parenting at every chance. I called Daddy at work many days crying because you would not obey. I had to ask you every day, ‘Who’s in charge here: you or me?’ You would reluctantly answer, ‘You are.’ As you have grown, this has not changed. You continue to be determined to do what you want to do, and I continue to try to rein you in.” ****** It couldn't be that Kate needed to adapt to Colin, could it? Of course not! Colin had to adapt (submit) to Kate. After so many years, wouldn't you think that maybe it's YOU, not the child?
Sad but true (#67), you make some great points. Isn't it interesting that TFW has had a decade-plus-long relationship with TLC, and they really don't seem to have 2 hoots to give about her? You'd think they would've been hyping that anniversary show like mad. Join us to look back at America's Favorite Family! The gang you love is back! See how those adorable toddlers have grown! Nope -- it was just business as usual. I think that thank you tweet from TFW to TLC was her desperate attempt to engender some good will. But TLC is in charge, and that's never gonna change.
ny why was she asking a very small child who was in charge everyday? ***** Because Kate never explained and reasoned with the kids like Jon did. It was just all punishment for non-compliance.
‘You are.’ As you have grown, this has not changed. You continue to be determined to do what you want to do, and I continue to try to rein you in.”
OMG, what is wrong with this woman. Again why does the whole world need to know this about her precious six year old son. It is cruel and totally unnecessary. ******************** Again, they are appliances to her. When one doesn't "work" the way she expects, she figuratively (and literally) bangs them over the head. Unfortunately the words are what hurt and continue to hurt him the most. Also, her putting it in writing to be devoured by the masses shows how "off" she is from normal emotions and feelings. For her to feel that she'd be understood, be pitied, be held up as this kind of parentalauthority shows the gap from reality. She is nuts
Heaven plus 7? Evin plus 7? ******************** The Ravin' seven? Seven plus Cloven? Unforgiven Seven? Seven Deadly Sins? Seven Woven Lies? This ain't Heaven? Seven Treated Uneven?
So she's been named "producer" of the show? Does anyone know if ANY of the kids' are listed? HGTV lists the kids on their parents' shows as producers..for instance Moving the McGillvarys. The youngest is maybe 2
Or did they sign contracts, start filming, and suddenly Kate springs the news on the, that Collin won't be there, knowing that they will have to finish the season (or go through the expense of going to court). I believe that is what happened. She wanted filming to continue, even if it meant defrauding TLC. And she went for it. No never means no to her, remember? She did whatever it took to get what she wanted. TLC doesn't promote the show because they are done with her. The show belongs to them--they don't have to promote if they don't want to. ********************** Good point
Will they be as helpless as Mommy? ****************************** There's the contradiction and hypocrisy. She claims to be so self sufficient, a high achiever, a strong independent woman...and then there's that slime ball at her side, in her ear. He serves some kind of selfish purpose, he's still useful to her, that's why he's still around. he'd be at the curb as well if there was no use for him.
Vanessa (#73), and wouldn't it have been wonderful if TFW EMBRACED C's strong will? Saw it as an asset in his life that he has determination? And not just something he did to p**s her off?
Here's my title attempt: "8 Minus 1 = Chaotic Fun!"
No, no kids listed---are you crazy, that might entitle them to an additional paycheck! And there are no less than EIGHT (the irony, lol) people with producer titles of some sort. Clearly, it takes a village. So Kate as producer is risible.
I read once, "you have to parent the child you have, not the child you think you have." You cannot parent a strong-willed child the same way you parent an easy going one. In fact, a large part of treatment for ODD includes parent training with techniques to react to certain behaviors. I am sure she was offered this training but refused to follow it. Even if he doens't have ODD these tips are helpful for strong-willed children.
******************** Again, they are appliances to her. When one doesn't "work" the way she expects, she figuratively (and literally) bangs them over the head. Unfortunately the words are what hurt and continue to hurt him the most. ******* Wow, such an amazing analogy. You nailed it.
Tucker's Mom (#82), remember when TFW was thumbing through the bed catalogue while poor C was writhing in pain? She looked at one of the pictures and said something like, "Why don't you come in white?" It was a window into her general sense of entitlement -- why isn't everything the way she wants it, when she wants it, 24/7?
1. Why the kids have to share one laptop:I think it's because it's easiest for Kate to control what they have access to online. They are probably forbidden to go on certain websites/google certain things/email Jon and so on and she is making them share the one computer because she has raised them to be against each other.One child will tattle on another immediately because she has praised the behaviour. Also one computer is easier to control than 6 or 8(M and C have smartphones but since she poisoned them agains Jon, I doubt she's concerned they'd try to contact him).
2.I have found the two episodes online but cannot bring myself to watch them, especially the episode with Collin. I guess I'll give it a shot when I have a spare hour to skim through them.
It must have been something pretty bad to another person or to an animal for his Drs. to say he MUST go to this other facility/school to get help.
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Did the doctor or doctors say that he MUST go? I'm reading the quote from Kate, and she says it was on the doctor's advice that he was sent away for treatment. Has it been said anywhere that this was an order from a physician, therapist, or anyone else?
FlimsyFlamsy said... 88 Blowing (#87), and as someone said upthread, even if TFW said it was ordered by a doctor, who on earth would believe her? Her credibility is shot. ____
Her credibility with this particular child is nonexistent.
In re-reading TFW's horrible letter to C, I can't help but remember that this sweet child started his life in NICU. It's a miracle that he was able to come home and thrive and live a relatively normal life.
So what a staggering lack of gratitude on TFW's part to write a laundry list of this child's faults, for all the world to see (but, worst of all, for him). Has she ever given a moment's thought to the mothers who have severely disabled children? Who are still feeding, dressing, and, yes, changing the diapers of their children way past toddler age? Mothers who have to put any chance of a career aside for the constant needs of their children? Not to mention mothers who've lost their children -- either through a miscarriage, SIDS, or any number of horrible circumstances. I know people who have commented here who have lived through the death of a child, and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. And I'd certainly never even wish it on TFW.
She has lived nothing short of a charm life, with more blessings and perks and second chances than anyone could hope for. And it's still not enough, and will never be enough. I don't envy her for a second.
I saw the episode with Collin and it seemd to me maybe he was not in a public school but was home-schooled,thus he could use the computer during the day. Kate said she 'gets him settled in school' Wouldn't you say- "I then drive Collin to school" or the bus picks him up or whatever? He was at the breakfast table in regular clothes so he must start his day early too.And she wouldn't leave such a "troubled" child alone, would she? I think the tutor was there.It just seemd that she would have complained about having to drive him and her word choice of 'settled' made me think this. He seemd fine, although subdued and the shoulder jerks were evident , but in the couch interviews he was laughing and joking with his brothers.
@SunsetBlvd Speaking of Jodie and Kevin,do we know if Jon's still in touch with them?Maybe they could help out with the recent custody thing and all the people who've witness what Kate has done to the kids.Even if Jon somehow didn't have proof,there was the many witnesses who saw what Kate did.
Blowing (#87), and as someone said upthread, even if TFW said it was ordered by a doctor, who on earth would believe her? Her credibility is shot.
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Nobody would believe her. I asked if she or any of the tabs came out with the "ordered" by a doctor, and my question was in response to the poster here who said, "It must have been something pretty bad to another person or to an animal for his Drs. to say he MUST go to this other facility/school to get help."
I thought perhaps an "insider" released this info to the tabs because I hadn't seen it anywhere that this was an order, the "MUST GO" thing.
I'm so confused. The holidays do that to me! Now where did I hide that keg?
I've been reading some of the comments on the Kate plus 8 FB and a lot of them are negative regarding Collin not being at the tups birthday party.
This one comment stood out regarding this episode and I think it reflects many of the other comments:
"Oh dear I have a problem, I forgot to plant the second clue. Really ?..... Really?.... No Kate, that's not a problem, YOU forgetting to pick up Colin & bringing him to HIS birthday party, NOW THAT'S A PROBLEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
@mnmomof2inohio @Kateplusmy8 Sad indeed! #Tabloids R the reading material of the gossip mongers & people who live 4negativity! #SewerLit101 =============
Yet, Milo believed every single tabloid story about Jon. A few examples:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 19 Jul 2014 What on earth...RH was living 4months N Jon's NY apartment? Why was he not w/wife & kids? Check it out > http://www.thesagewayexpress.blogspot.com #Obsessed
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 15 Oct 2014 Jon Gosselin Evicted From His Home http://eonli.ne/1DdbJhn via @eonline
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 27 Dec 2013 Jon Gosselin in the Wilderness | Articles: http://www.phillymag.com/articles/jon-gosselin-wilderness/#.Ur4m8JWWZho.twitter … Saint Jon embarrassing his kids again...I feel bad 4Kate as well! :(
She'll believe all the negative "tabloid" articles about Jon, but a negative "tabloid" article about Kate is "gossip mongering".
I've been reading some of the comments on the Kate plus 8 FB and a lot of them are negative regarding Collin not being at the tups birthday party.
This one comment stood out regarding this episode and I think it reflects many of the other comments:
"Oh dear I have a problem, I forgot to plant the second clue. Really ?..... Really?.... No Kate, that's not a problem, YOU forgetting to pick up Colin & bringing him to HIS birthday party, NOW THAT'S A PROBLEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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That's a good one. Seems the problem wasn't only forgetting to pick him up for his birthday party...it was forgetting about Collin PERIOD.
@SunsetBlvd Speaking of Jodie and Kevin,do we know if Jon's still in touch with them?Maybe they could help out with the recent custody thing and all the people who've witness what Kate has done to the kids.Even if Jon somehow didn't have proof,there was the many witnesses who saw what Kate did.
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I would bet my bottom dollar that there are others who are helping out with the custody issue, including his aunt and uncle. None of that, however, is being made public, nor should it be.
In re-reading TFW's horrible letter to C, I can't help but remember that this sweet child started his life in NICU. It's a miracle that he was able to come home and thrive and live a relatively normal life.
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Right. And finding the causation of this sort of thing is tricky. But it could very well be directly related to being a preemie. These issues can be a direct result of that.
He is not being "trying", when she says stuff like that she implies he really has control over this. He likely doesn't. Services can help him understand and cope with his impulses, but they're organic to him and she needs to cut him a break for that. One can make the argument his prematurity was her fault, for taking such a high risk of multiples which almost always is going to result in premature births, and problems.
So apparently Kate used delay tactics to insure that the girls could not win the scavenger hunt and to give the boys a head start. Does anyone really believe that she freaked out because "height" was spelled wrong? And that she had to run get her label maker to correct it?
It's just so obvious how this episode was planned to create division between the boys and the girls.
Kate seems to be going overboard trying to help the boys "win", but in the same note, she is continuing to create divisiveness between both the boys and the girls.
I find it interesting that TLC showed this clip. Perhaps, they wanted to show how imbalanced she really is.
I also find it interesting that in the couch interviews, the girls' claim that the boys "cheated" because of Andrea helping them, but none of them claim that Mommy cheated.
Kate is a twit said... 97 So apparently Kate used delay tactics to insure that the girls could not win the scavenger hunt and to give the boys a head start. Does anyone really believe that she freaked out because "height" was spelled wrong? And that she had to run get her label maker to correct it?
She tells the girls, "I love the boys, I love your brothers, but, the truth is, we could probably sit here for an hour and you'd still win."
Talk about divisive!
That was very difficult to watch. I didn't watch the others. I'm lacking the words to describe how she makes me feel--angry, disgusted, frustrated, incredulous. Is she pretending to be dull-witted or is it real?
Kate is a twit said... 97 So apparently Kate used delay tactics to insure that the girls could not win the scavenger hunt and to give the boys a head start
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And yet, she "has a problem who let their kids airquote win airquote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs6CLnjljZs
Guess that only applies when the competition is against her.
Just saw the clip about her brilliant delay tactics (ugh). I don't think this was in the show (although I can't remember too much from the show because it was bloody awful). One of the biggest problems (among many) is that you see what she does and then she prattles on endlessly about what she has done. There is no insight or growth or meaning - there is just see me do this, and now I will talk about what I have just done. A sane person would find this tedious and boring. She relishes it because she can go on and on about how brilliant she is (or thinks she is). Very disturbing. That show would be 15 minutes long if she didn't narrate and embellish every step she makes. Filler, in more ways than one.
Kate is a twit said... 97 So apparently Kate used delay tactics to insure that the girls could not win the scavenger hunt and to give the boys a head start
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Pure Kate, conniving and manipulating as usual to get the results SHE wants.
It's just so obvious how this episode was planned to create division between the boys and the girls.
Kate seems to be going overboard trying to help the boys "win", but in the same note, she is continuing to create divisiveness between both the boys and the girls.
I find it interesting that TLC showed this clip. Perhaps, they wanted to show how imbalanced she really is.
****** Here's a thought. Since there were more girls than boys, combine EVERYONE and divide by 2. Kate always pits the girls against the boys, and while I think the boys are always chill about it, the girls get nasty and personal.
Here's a thought. Since there were more girls than boys, combine EVERYONE and divide by 2.
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Exactly what I was thinking! Geez! It's a win-win. The teams would be fair, and the boys and girls would have a good opportunity to work together for once.
Heaven forbid they actually have some experiences in life where they work WITH their brothers, not against them. When she divides them, she needs to make a point to mix it up as often as possible so they all get a chance to work with each other. There is no disadvantage to this. Wait, there is a disadvantage. She does not WANT them to all learn to work together and get along because then they might actually get a clue and band together against her. And I'll believe that until my dying day.
I watched a little of the show snippet with Kate stalling the girls' van and jeez louise, she did it again! Why the subterfuge of making this drama? Kate sets up a situation whereby she's holding the girls back from starting the treasure hunt, and it's the perfect foil for Kate to make herself the center of attention and camera time. First it's the misspelled signage in the van. The, Kate has the EXACT SAME LABEL MAKER, so she can make a new label. Girls, girls!!! Watch me affix the new label? (f*cking fascinating) Girls! Should I put the old label on my forehead? Yes? Look at me!!!!!!!
And yeah, what Kate said about the boys getting a big head start was nasty. She really thinks males are dim bulbs.
I loved how she went on and on about misspelled words. I would bet you anything that they put that label in the van so that TFW would have something to prattle on about and then fix with the exact same label maker. Riveting television.
NJGal51 said... 113 I loved how she went on and on about misspelled words. I would bet you anything that they put that label in the van so that TFW would have something to prattle on about and then fix with the exact same label maker. Riveting television. ****** It was painfully obvious. Because, you know, when it comes to not shearing off the top of a rental van in a parking garage, the signage should be a tiny, misspelled label that a 2-year old could peel off.
Didn't sound like a scavenger hunt to me. The scavenger hunts I have done or heard about have a list of items you have to find. She could have done one at her own home with a list of things found around the house and outside.
She had to have a rented BBB? Wouldn't her SUV be big enough? (oh yeah it had to fit camera men in there)
Ingrid (#115), I assumed the same thing about the scavenger hunt. You mean they actually left the property? Lordy bee!
And yes, nothing spells Typical American Family like traveling with a TLC entourage for a freaking birthday party. Not even a "big" birthday, either. If she's still under contract at TLC for #13, heaven knows what horrifying extravaganza she'll come up with (on their dime).
I thought the money booth was an interesting choice for a birthday party. Looks like she used real money - wouldn't monopoly money have worked just as well? Wonder if she counted before everyone left to make sure no one slipped off with a buck or two. In any case, all the kids seem to really enjoy it.
KIAT (#96), great detective work with those tweets from Gladys! She is ready to grab at any anti-Jon gossip with both hands. But anything against her true love is a LIE!
OT- Anyone following the Sherri Papini case? She's the woman who was allegedly abducted by hispanic women, perhaps for the sex trade? Anyway, something's been hinky from the jump, for me. Her husband is creepy and can fake crying about as good as Kate. Crocodile tears, Go Fund Me account and doing a media tour that Kate would envy. Because, they're a very private couple...
Re the second BBB - I think she gave Jon the old BBB when she bought the new one. I wonder if she borrowed it from Jon so that Andrea could drive the boys. Probably not, according to Jon they don't communicate...but then again she has never been shy about 'soliciting'.
Anonymous said... 122 Re the second BBB - I think she gave Jon the old BBB when she bought the new one. I wonder if she borrowed it from Jon so that Andrea could drive the boys ***** No way! The old BBB got cooties after she let Jon drive it!
Tucker's Mom, the Goggleworks are not in the old VF outlets. They are over the bridge in the city. I haven't actually been there but I've heard it's nice.
Anonymous said... 122 Re the second BBB - I think she gave Jon the old BBB when she bought the new one. I wonder if she borrowed it from Jon so that Andrea could drive the boys
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She has/had 3 cars, the extra large van for driving all the kids, a second van, which didn't use as much gas (for errands, etc.) and her little sports car.
Did she get rid of the mid-sized van? In that ghastly clip she said the van she was driving was a rental.
Blowing (#94), I hope you don't think I was being argumentative -- sorry if my comment came off that way! I didn't realize you were addressing someone else's comment. I just meant, if TFW's lips are moving, she's lying.
I don't drink, but if you find a keg of virgin rumspringa, pour me a tall one!
So, it was planned that the boys were the ones who were suppose to win? All the childish stalling was for them to win?
Here is my conspiracy theory.
I think TFW planned it so the boys would win so Collin would find out about it and hurt him even more. Can you imagine being far away from home and you can't be with your brothers, your dogs, your sisters, your school, your everything.
And then find out that your mom went ahead and filmed the 12th birthday party without him and what was so awful was when it got time to sing the traditional HB song the way they have done since birth, OH! We don't have TIME!
She did not want them to get upset that Collin wasn't there. And America upset.
Man, she is such a liar!
She has got in for that little boy!
She just thinks that people accept anything that comes out of her mouth. Thank God for archived video taped interviews. There are so many AVTI's out there of her telling lie after lie after lie, deflecting about what is going on at the moment in the world of Gosselin Land.
Tucker's Mom said... 121 OT- Anyone following the Sherri Papini case? ---- I do believe that something happened to her, but after watching the 20/20 special I agree with you that something about the husband is 'off'.
I am following the Papini case. I joined a bit late. Political news had all my attention. I missed the beginning of her story. 20/20 last night was confusing and interesting.
The sheriff seemed to choose his words quite cautiously.
Later, I read that the references to branding might mean a tattoo.
Somebody mentioned that Colin's name was not on the computer list. I think it must have been either he was away already OR more likely because he was being home-schooled at that time and he probably worked on his teacher's computer. Perhaps he had no homework like the other kids. He probably completed it all before he/she left for the day.
As much as I despise Kate, I don't think she would forbide him to use the home computer IF he NEEDED to do his homework on it. Otherwise his teacher would ask why is he not doing his homework and then he would tell his teacher my Mother does not let me use the home computer. Kate is not stupid enough to risk that. Also all his seven siblings would speak up about Colin not being able night after night to use the home computer. Shit would fly big time. No, I think they was a very legitimate reason Colin name was not on the schedule and it had nothing to do with Kate.
I believe the court can forbid Kate from filming because Jon objects to it and therefore the court has to decide. If Jon didn't object I'm not sure the court has any power to stop her. Although I've seen judges reluctant to step in on similar issues (for example, whether a child would be allowed to play a certain sport when a parent objects) reluctant to overstep their bounds and unsure where the thin line is between a parent's right to parent and the court's right to intervene.
I think TFW planned it so the boys would win so Collin would find out about it and hurt him even more. ==== I sure hope Collin doesn't read this later. Can you imagine if that never crossed his mind and now the seed is planted? Please be careful with opinions. They can hurt just as much as the truth. If not more because he would have no way to question how that information came to light and the motive to which it was said.
I think TFW planned it so the boys would win so Collin would find out about it and hurt him even more. ======= I also disagree with this statement and it is a stretch.
#140 You think if Kate denied Colin use of the one laptop night after night, week after week, etc, that the teacher would continue to believe that Colin was lying that Kate would not let him use the computer. Also I don't think all seven of his siblings would stand by either without serious questioning Kate, telling their teacher, it or letting it continue.
Also, Kate has proven she values great education for her kids. That is why she is shelling out big bucks for their school. Otherwise she would put them in public school. So she is not going to deny Colin use of the family laptop to do his homework.
I just watched the episode of Sherry Papini on OnDemand. I liked the husband too and did not think he was involved at all. Why the GoFund Me account? What money did the family lose during this time. I am sure the searches did not cost the family anything.
I think TFW planned it so the boys would win so Collin would find out about it and hurt him even more. ======== That's just too far out there for me to believe. We do a lot of speculating here but that is really stretching it.
Layla said, "If Collin's doctors told Kate that C had to be removed from the house, then those doctors believed that C's home environment was detrimental to his well-being." =========== I really don't see it that way. I think Colin must have done something that was not within the range of his "normal" behavior. Because we have witnessed numerous times over numerous years him hitting others and because he was expelled from school for hitting adults and others, I assume it must have involved that. Except this time the hitting or whatever was taken to the extreme. When his Drs. heard about this, I think they thought it was very serious and Colin had taken a turn for the worse.
I think as Kate said she could no longer help him and the Drs. agreed. And probably the Drs. did think that her home was not the best environment for him. It is chaotic with seven siblings, three dogs, a bird, and a screaming, self-absorbed mother. But I don't think the primary reason for him being sent away was because his mother's home was detrimental to his well-being.
And I think Kate did agree with the Drs. to sent him away. She probably participate willingly with his Drs in this process. Whatever he did no doubt alarmed Kate and scared her. She knew it was very serious. And also I agree Kate on some level she was relived he is gone and out of her hair.
Of course nobody knows the real reason of what took place but the above is my guess. I just really wonder if and when he is coming home. And also how often he gets to see his family.
Sorry said Also, Kate has proven she values great education for her kids. That is why she is shelling out big bucks for their school. Otherwise she would put them in public school. So she is not going to deny Colin use of the family laptop to do his homework.
------- Are you saying one can't get a great education at public school? You're wrong.
Can someone explain to me about the custody situation? I thought Jon already had joint physical custody (alternating weekends/days during the week)--that's putting aside whether Kate actually is in compliance with the order for all of the kids. So what is he going to court for now, joint legal? Or to force Kate to comply with the existing order?
Sorry said... 144 . . . Also, Kate has proven she values great education for her kids. _____ I think there's are additional motives for the private school. Not to take anything away from the school, but first, the history here is that Kate was either able to get her twins in there for free (or was it that her friends the Carsons paid?) and/or heavily discounted for the first year or two (I don't recall exactly, the details are in Hoffman's book). Second, the generous vacation time in this school means there can be more filming. And third, it's a more tightly controlled environment than public school would have been. When the school's website inadvertently posted some photos of a holiday concert that included her kids a few years back, she was able to get it taken down pretty quick. Less red tape than there would have been in a public school.
So I think there are other things influencing her choice of school besides whatever value she places on a good education. Let's not forget, she has had no problem taking her kids out of school when she needs them for filming (for example, the Australia/NZ trip).
About the laptop...aren't the kids allowed any recreational time online? With safeguards in place, it seems perfectly fine for a 12-year-old to have half an hour on the computer just for fun. Especially kids wIth a busy life of school, homework, chores -- oh, and a TV career they never asked for.
I know a lot of kids who play on Scratch -- a website developed by MIT. They learn to program their own games, stories and cartoons, and share them with other kids. That kind of thing might be wonderful for C to try -- fun and educational, and it builds self esteem.
Also, Kate has proven she values great education for her kids.
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I have no idea why Kate has those kids in that school. For all we know, it could be for the prestige, not for the education. What's more, you can't be suggesting someone who has their kids in public school, either because they cannot afford private or they have done their research and determined public school is a perfectly good option for their child, does not value education.
I could also make the argument that a child who clearly needed special ed services and an IEP from day one has NO business in a private school, and then any parent who keeps them there, and away from a good IEP in place at a public school, is selfish.
I could also make the argument that a child who clearly needed special ed services and an IEP from day one has NO business in a private school, and then any parent who keeps them there, and away from a good IEP in place at a public school, is selfish. ____
This, too. I think the school probably bent over backward to try to help the children with issues, but I don't think they are equipped for this. And they should have told her long ago that he/they would be better off elsewhere.
The Papinis either were going to or already did employ private investigators, beyond the government police officers. That's what the GoFundMe account was for.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 150 About the laptop...aren't the kids allowed any recreational time online? With safeguards in place, it seems perfectly fine for a 12-year-old to have half an hour on the computer just for fun. _____
I wonder if Kate has paid a consultant to ensure that her kids cannot go online anywhere except she wants them to go. I do not believe she is trying to do this herself, I frankly don't think she's capable of it. She'd never be able to block all the holes.
As I understand it (and I could be wrong), the details of visitation were worked out in arbitration and then blessed by the judge in the final divorce decree. There was a schedule of alternating weekends and holidays. And it seems that that was honored, for a time. I think this all started to break down in 2013, when McGibney was able to convince Kate that Jon had conspired to damage her by colluding with Hoffman (which, BTW, I have never believed). By 08/2013, when she sued him, I think that's when his regular visitation schedule started to go awry. I remember Xmas one year (2014 maybe?) where Kate proudly announced on Twitter that ALL the kids wanted to spend the holiday with her that year. Which means, most likely, that it was Jon's year to have them.
We don't have many more details than that about the schedule and how/when/why it's changed over the years.
This, too. I think the school probably bent over backward to try to help the children with issues, but I don't think they are equipped for this. And they should have told her long ago that he/they would be better off elsewhere.
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Yes and maybe they did. They may have and should have told her he needs an IEP and special ed services and that they can only do so much. They're not required to or equipped to provide all the services a child may need. Keeping him there is selfish.
Agree Keith Papini should have kept the kids names, and faces actually, private. No reason to expose them. If there really is some terrible drug lord or trafficking ring going on up there in little ole Shasta county, everyone there needs to be especially vigilant about their children.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 120 KIAT (#96), great detective work with those tweets from Gladys! She is ready to grab at any anti-Jon gossip with both hands. But anything against her true love is a LIE! *********** How is that ANY different than what the people here do, with the parties reversed?
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I don't think this is fair. Folks here have shown an incredible amount of skepticism for several gossip stories here, many of us dismissing some of them outright as ridiculous. I've never seen Milo even consider that something negative said about Jon might not be true.
Admin (#60), for myself, I will readily admit that I am more likely to believe a bad story about TFW. Because she is still exploiting her children for money, and Jon is not. So she has lost the benefit of the doubt from me.
UM OK. My kid graduated with kids who are now at Harvard, Penn, MIT...but whatever.
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College admissions don't care so much what school you are at as much as they care you have stellar grades, a difficult class schedule, and extracirculars. I also went to just the local public school. Not a bad school, but nothing special. And my classmates got into all sorts of prestigious schools, as I recall Cornell and MIT.
It's one of those Freakeconomics things. Is it really the school? Or is it because kids at private schools tend to be well rounded anyway and have parents who make sure that they are so they can get into good schools? You can find those same exact kids at public schools, it's just the less motivated kids and families are mixed in with them too, lowering the stats.
In other words, a kid who gets into Harvard because they went to Lancaster, could very well have gotten into Harvard anyway if they went to the local public school, or ANY public school. It's the kid, not the school.
According to Malcolm Gladwell, who is awesome, private schools are incredibly overrated. Parents spend a lot of money on something they may not need to spend after all. Gladwell takes it a step further and says you actually don't need to go to Harvard either to have an incredibly successful life experience.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 161 I do think the Papinis are enjoying the attention a bit, but that doesn't mean any of this was faked.
I can't rule it out, it's very odd, still. December 4, 2016 at 6:15 AM ****** The husband is hinky and creepy. Their wedding photos seem inspired by Tim Burton. For all of Sherri' horrific injuries, she was released from the hospital after a few hours?
I kind of get the feeling the police spokesman(persons) are shining them on as to keep them thinking their story is kosher.
I could be wrong, but something is off. I don't buy whole story and find it very strange that this husband, whose wife and mother of his 2 small children was missing for 3 weeks, finds it appropriate to flit hither, tither and yon, doing press--trying to be way too convincing.
I read the article in InTouch in the grocery store; if this information has already been posted and discussed, I apologize but I don't think it has been. There is a bit more information than what was posted online: -- a source says there is info that TFW used plastic zip ties to bind C's hands for some reason -- he was originally in a facility 7 hours away but she moved him to a place 2 hours away for insurance reasons and not to be closer to the family -- neither she nor the kids have visited him since he has been gone ( the kids have told Jon this) -- TFW claims C has these problems because Jon abused him -- there is still one open investigation against TFW despite what she has said recently
I kind of get the feeling the police spokesman(persons) are shining them on as to keep them thinking their story is kosher.
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YESSS. The police aren't about to go on a wild goose chase for the wives of the Mexican cartel in Shasta county if this was just some kind of mental breakdown. I noticed some of their statements are phrased very open-ended, leaving the door open sort of like, well there is no evidence to suggest this was a hoax. Instead of, we are confident this was not a hoax.
They'll do a full investigation and that will take time, and I haven't heard but I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI gets involved. I still don't think the husband had anything to do with it. If it was a hoax, she did so on her own.
@Admin (160) I've admitted that there are some negative stories about Kate that im skeptical of.As for the Jon stories,i don't know but like some here,i've never said Jon was a saint because there are some things that he does that i don't agree with.I to have never seen milo ever thought about whether negative stories about jon weren't true or maybe think that negative stories about Kate had some truth to them.Heck,even Msgoody has shown that there are some negative Jon stories she's doubted.
Yes and maybe they did. They may have and should have told her he needs an IEP and special ed services and that they can only do so much. They're not required to or equipped to provide all the services a child may need. Keeping him there is selfish. $$$$$ Uh, she didn't keep him there. While it is true that private school children do not get the full range of special ed services that children in public school do, private school children are entitled to some services through their public school district. He may have been receiving services and when the level of service was not sufficient, he was removed from the school. We don't know, nor should we know, because it is none of our business. You do not have enough information to judge the appropriateness of his school setting.
My DIL reports that TLC has been showing ads for LPBW (Amy has a pool party) followed by Outdaughtered (Danielle and the babies are sick) but nothing for K+8, which follows those shows. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy to hear that.
While standing in the checkout line yesterday, I noticed a blurb on the cover of one of the magazines about Jon and Kate going to court over custody. Kate just said in an interview that she pays no attention to Jon saying he will take her to court. I wonder how that's working for her now.
Wow... If any of that information is true, then I feel sorry for Collin and it really makes me wonder if he will ever return home at this point. What exactly would cause Kate to zip tie his hands together?
JM said... 166 I read the article in InTouch in the grocery store; if this information has already been posted and discussed, I apologize but I don't think it has been. There is a bit more information than what was posted online: -- a source says there is info that TFW used plastic zip ties to bind C's hands for some reason -- he was originally in a facility 7 hours away but she moved him to a place 2 hours away for insurance reasons and not to be closer to the family -- neither she nor the kids have visited him since he has been gone ( the kids have told Jon this) -- TFW claims C has these problems because Jon abused him -- there is still one open investigation against TFW despite what she has said recently
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WHAT?? Is this the current issue of In Touch? Zip ties!! OMG all that is awful if true. AWFUL.
I don't think H would run to J because of the way TFW treats C if it were JON who was abusive.
Dear Lord in Heaven, please don't let this be true!
She wrote in her journal that she beat Joel or Collin into their crib after she threw him in it and beat him into his crib. She wrote that if she was going to severely injure anyone it would of been that day. If true, she is a raging sociopath.
To blame Jon for abusing him? All you have to do is watch them when they were babies. It is documented on film.
Jon fixing them breakfast, bathing them after, getting them dressed and getting Mady and Cara ready for school and on the bus, while she slumbered and finally was able to make TFW's coffee and brought it to her then he he was allowed to get himself ready to go to work over an hour away.
Then she wrote about Collin, I would call your daddy crying about you everyday at work. If Jon was abusing Collin as TFW claims, why would she call him screaming and crying for Jon to leave work now! to come home to deal with Collin.
I am in tears. Again. That poor child! And the others who have to deal with her!
If Jon was abusing Collin as TFW claims, why would she call him screaming and crying for Jon to leave work now! to come home to deal with Collin.
___________________ When and where was it reported that Jon was abusing Collin? I know that recently she accused him of an inappropriate relationship with Hannah, but how was he abusing Collin? Was this recently or when he was a toddler?
My DIL reports that TLC has been showing ads for LPBW (Amy has a pool party) followed by Outdaughtered (Danielle and the babies are sick) but nothing for K+8, which follows those shows. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy to hear that.
While standing in the checkout line yesterday, I noticed a blurb on the cover of one of the magazines about Jon and Kate going to court over custody. Kate just said in an interview that she pays no attention to Jon saying he will take her to court. I wonder how that's working for her now. ****************************** Kate just said in an interview that she pays no attention to Jon saying he will take her to court. I wonder how that's working for her now. ***** I think he's finally got her attention with the help of his current attorney because isn't this about the time she starts posting about the chaos!! involved in shopping and wrapping presents for 8, uh 7, children and the decorating of the house? Seems all she now are the puppies.
If Jon/his attorney has asked for an expedited hearing, couldn't they be back in court right before Christmas?
Uh she certainly did, for a very long while anyway. I distinctly remember when he first stopped wearing the uniform and it was ages after he started at that school.
I could be wrong, but something is off. I don't buy whole story and find it very strange that this husband, whose wife and mother of his 2 small children was missing for 3 weeks, finds it appropriate to flit hither, tither and yon, doing press--trying to be way too convincing.
________________ Yep, Tucker's, I agree. There's something off about the whole thing. Unless important parts of the puzzle are missing, this whole thing smells fishy, and I'm not one for conspiracy theories.
When and where was it reported that Jon was abusing Collin? I know that recently she accused him of an inappropriate relationship with Hannah, but how was he abusing Collin? Was this recently or when he was a toddler? _____________________
JM at post #166 above posted it.
The allegations are supposedly in In Touch Magazine from "a source."
They're so horrific I tend to NOT believe them at this point.
Malcolm Gladwell is not an educator so I'm not sure why anyone should value his opinion so highly. (And not everyone worships at the altar of Malcolm Gladwell.)
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His degree is in history which is a very common degree for educators. He has devoted an incredible amount of time and brain power to studying the educational system. His opinions are backed up by boatloads of data. One need not be an educator to understand and explain some of the misconceptions out there about the educational system. Naturally teachers hate him, probably because he points out that the data bears out over and over again the biggiest influence on most children is their parents, not the school or even the teachers. That hurts some people's egos I guess. There were always be anecdotal stories of teachers who made a difference and he's not discounting that, merely pointing out that big picture your home life matters the most in your success. All the more reason to be concerned about Kate.
Tying up Colin's hands? pfft- I most certainly believe she did that to him. Every single abuse "rumor" has been proven to be true. From her journals to the moldy sandwhiches. All true. Didn't Hoffman say he knows she locked him out of the house because he kept leaving the door open? With all these viral videos of nannies, teachers, mothers, etc showing abuse, why is this so hard to believe that tfw is not one of the same? From day one something hasn't sat right with a lot of us. Child abuse happens in all facets of life, high income to low income. Private schools to public schools. North America, South America. Colin finally had enough courage, confidence and OPPORTUNITY to tell someone of the abuse. Someone who maybe NOW will intervene. I believe she did this 100%
I guess with this latest negative story we can expect to see TFW posting pictures of the 7 in Christmas decorating heaven (because the 8 aren't doing great). Nothing to see here folks because we have PUPPIES and she will see them next Tuesday for a live Twitter party!
The very idea that she could accuse JON of abusing him is just so out-of-this-world ridiculous. And if these allegations ARE proven to be true, she DOES belong in jail.
So funny, the narcissist projection-textbook. She's accused of abuse, nope-it's JON who abused Colin.
I hope that with all this time away from his mother, Colin is letting it all out. I hope his stress levels have diminished. I hope his therapy is giving him an outlet, a healthy and safe one. I hope he's not having to stuff his feelings down his throat anymore.
She is desperate. She has to keep defending her life, her behavior, her web of lies...she's vicious. She'll keep the lies going and and keep lying to cover up the last one, and so on and so on...even if it's absurd, as in this latest doozie...that JON is the abuser. Yes, he's the one who grabbed a toddler by the hair and whipped him into his crib. He's the one who punished a 2 year old with swats because he didn't go potty after 2 days of training. He's the one who you effing CALLED to CONFESS YOUR ABUSE AND TO COME HOME TO PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN FROM YOURSELF!!
She claims Jon abused C, but the one investigated for abuse (apparently because of C opening up to staff at his facility) is Kate. If Jon were the one abusing C, then he would be the one under investigation. But he's not.
Jon left home in 2009. He probably hasn't had access to C alone since then. He always had the kids in groups. So when would he have abused him? Wouldn't the other kids have seen it? And if Jon abused C, then why did Hannah go to Jon out of concern for C being abused by Kate?
Kate is used to everyone taking her at her word. There is never any follow-up, no scrutiny. She's not going to be able to get away with that game this time. At least, I hope she won't. TLC isn't going to clean up this mess for her, or fight her battle for her. Welcome to the real world, Kate.
Holy cow! I wrote a very specific point that I don't think Kate is denying Collin use of the family laptop when all the other kids get to use it. And I used as an example that Kate is shelling out big bucks for their education by sending them to a private school. Therefore I don't think she would bother to send Collin to this expensive school and then purposely single him out of the eight and say to him you cannot use the computer ever for your homework. The school or his private tutor would not tolerate this. It makes no sense.
I said NOTHING in the above that was insulting. Many are claiming that I think public school is better than private. I wrote no such thing. Again, I only wrote a VERY SPECIFIC FACT that Kate for WHATEVER reason (does not matter) Kate would not spend all that money on her kids' education and then deny Collin the excess to get his homework done.
Nobody was commented on whether they agree or disagree that Kate is denying Colin use of the computer because his name on not on the list. I was simply responding to somebody's comment that they think Kate is singly out Collin by refusing him access of the family computer because his name was not on the schedule. I think that is not true that all. She could never get away with that. Collin's teacher would question him why is homework is never done and Collin would tell the teacher my mother would not let me use the family computer. The shit would hit the fan.
Again, my comments had NOTHING to do with me claiming private schools or better than public schools.
Deliverance said... They're so horrific I tend to NOT believe them at this point. ------------- Really? After reading Hoffman's book with Kate's emails, and his personal observations, AND Kate's own words in her COPYRIGHTED journal I don't know why you would think this couldn't be true. Kate is abusive. And remember she didn't sue Hoffman for defamation or libel. She sued him for copyright. So everything in his book was true.
Zip ties on Collin? Sounds horrific, but doesn't sound to me like anything Kate would not do to him. I'm sure she had a "very good reason" in her mind. She will say something Collin did justifies it. Nothing Collin did would justify that. I will say that Kate feeling Collin needed to be zip tied goes right along with Kate's belief of his "needing" to be sent away and in a facility away from his family. If Kate felt the need to zip tie him I'm sure she felt the need to send him away.
Whether or not Kate sent him away or he was taken away, I don't know, but I believe he is now being KEPT away from her because she is abusive. It will not be up to her whether or not he goes home.
I'm not sure I'm getting you? My own comment responding to yours was calling into question your statement that Kate seems to place a high value on education. And I pointed to several other reasons she might have wanted this private school for her kids besides her highly valuing it for its own sake. As for the rest, there are great public schools and great private schools in the U.S., and I for one am not arguing that point.
Kate is used to everyone taking her at her word. There is never any follow-up, no scrutiny. ____
If she doesn't immediately file a lawsuit against In Touch, I think the answer will be clear. And I don't think she'd even want to do another "set the record straight" tour, assuming anyone even wanted her on their soundstage again. This may finally be it.
Layla, I agree with you OR as I posted yesterday, either Collin was gone when the list was shown, because things did seem out of sequence, or he had a private tutor and thus did work during the daytime on the computer when the other kids were at school. Thus Collin did not need to have a listed computer slot.. I don't see any reason for people to take exception to your comment.
It's possible Kate zip locked Collin's wrists together. It's possible she water boarded him. It's possible she kept him in a dark room with only bread and water.
However, I don't believe everything that's printed in the gossip rags. They always quote "a source." We know those sources aren't always right or always telling the truth.
I believe what's in Kate's journals.
I don't generally believe "a source" until there is additional proof or backup information.
If the zip tie story is true, TFW would justify it by saying he was going to harm himself or someone else with his anger, so this would keep him safe. She's got an answer for everything.
I watched the 20/20 episode about Sherry Papini and I've read a few articles about the case.
According to her husband, the women who abducted her had their faces covered. He goes on to say that if it were "two big dudes" who asked for help, she wouldn't have approached them and it would make more sense to him that she would have approached women who asked for help.
Two questions==if they're faces were covered, how did she know they were women? And why would you approach someone whose faces were covered?
Why would she ever have had zip-ties in her home in the first place? Bedroom games with Skeve? Sorry for the "ewww" moment there, but think about it. Zip ties? Ones large enough to be handcuffs? That's not what you'd call a common household item.
Yeah, I don't believe it all, necessarily, but In Touch has been very careful about how they go about releasing info (e.g., the whole Josh Duggar molestation thing), and I doubt if they would put something like this out there without documentary proof. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem likely. If they were sold a bill of goods by someone, well then, sue them, Kate. You've sued everybody else.
If the zip tie thing is true, then how messed up is Collin to the point where she would do that? And even if he were self harming, why would she do that to him? Something is not right.
As for the computer thing, it's more than likely Collin has access to the computer at home during the day since he was being homeschooled at the time. He did not leave the home until the end of this past school year from what I'm assuming.
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Kate has (and probably continues to) spent a great deal of time traveling, away from the kids, when they were in her custody.
Her house had a revolving door there for awhile.
Robert reported that Kate and Steve would leave for days and weeks, only to return, unpack, do laundry, do spa/mani/pedi/tan, and then repack and hit the road again.
Leaving the kids waving goodbye in the driveway to their mom in the limousine.
Tucker's Mom (#1), and most notably, TFW left town right after filing that law suit against TFW, saying he was a danger to his children.
"G'bye kids -- I just sued Daddy because you're not safe with him. See ya in a month!
Don't call me, and I won't call you!"
"G'bye kids -- I just sued Daddy because you're not safe with him. See ya in a month!
Don't call me, and I won't call you!"
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How can that be??? Kate sits at home, beside the phone, waiting to hear what child wants to come back home from Jon's!
The really astonishing thing about Kate's disgusting verbal vomit on Live, was that she was jetting off to Los Cabos with Steve.
Off to a 5-star resort for a lux photo shoot and other hedonistic pleasures, while her kids were back at the compound with their nanny sitter.
When you realize just how bad Colin's situation was, as it was unfolding at that point in time, it's even more exasperating.
I also see no problem with Jon's job.
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I'm hoping all of you are right.. She's been Teflon so long that I'm still not getting my hopes up until she gets a psych eval.
BTW.. My husband's mother was my sitter & that still wasn't good enough for the judge. But my (then) husband didn't really want custody & sent them packing back to me within the first year. He wanted his freedom & is now a lonely old man after 4 marriages.
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Tucker's Mom (#1), and most notably, TFW left town right after filing that law suit against TFW, saying he was a danger to his children.
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I think it's right around this time, too, that she started playing fast and loose with the terms of their visitation schedule. Before this, she seemed okay (not nice or accommodating, but "okay") with the terms they mutually decided when they divorced. Even though she wasn't filming at the time, you can be sure she was pestering TLC for a return (and she did, right after she finished filming CA). So in that six-month period, between her cookbook road show and CA, we know she was away from her kids for at least 7-8 weeks, maybe more. And there was only one visit, that we know of, the kids going to NYC for a day during CA.
Before this, I think Jon was still getting his kids (all of the tups if not the twins) on their alternating schedule of holidays, etc. After SHE decided he was a "danger" to them, that's when I think it all turned to crap. And once TLC was back in the picture, Daddy was at the bottom of her list.
Nice that the judge dismissed that case against Jon, WITH prejudice. Yet another thing the present judge should take a very close look at---I hope Jon's lawyer pulls out all her quotes in the tabs about how the lawsuit is for her children's "safety." McGiblets did her a real good turn with that debacle.
Ashton Kutcher on his newborn son and 2 yo daughter:
"We'd like to allow our kids to make their own choices on whether to have a life in the public eye or not," Kutcher told A Plus over the phone. "We don't want to make the choice for them."
Wow. What a concept.
I wonder if the truth about Steve and TFW will come out during a custody trial.
BTW.. My husband's mother was my sitter & that still wasn't good enough for the judge. But my (then) husband didn't really want custody & sent them packing back to me within the first year. He wanted his freedom & is now a lonely old man after 4 marriages.
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It sounds like you had a really rough time of it with your divorce and custody. I'm glad you got your kids back where they were loved and wanted ;-)
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But these kids don't really need a sitter much these days. Jon should be able to drive them to/from the bus as needed, which is what makes his work better than a 9-5. It sounds like his GF is supportive as well, which would really make things run smoothly. We've seen a couple photos of her with the "usual four," and they looked quite comfortable, even HAPPY, with her. The twins are unlikely to be around much one way or the other. It would be nice if they start making some time to see their dad, but I don't expect them (and I'm sure Jon doesn't) to do overnights with him. So really, the only "new" in this proposal is Alexis and Collin, IF Collin comes home. AND enforcing a regular schedule, that would be new, too. I think that's really what he wants. No more filming on his time, if he got that I think he'd be happy.
I think the big things are:
1) If they come up with a custody schedule where Jon has more time, and holidays are split, and she is made to comply with it.
2) If he gets shared legal custody and can veto some of her decisions. Personally, I think her actions in refusing to communicate with him and cooperate are grounds to switch sole legal custody to him.
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TFW has shown herself to be a very ill-mannered woman. How there are still fans who see her as a role model is beyond me.
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My thoughts on this is that if these fans are watching the first 2 seasons and the very first specials, Kate did seem likable during this time. And I also think she has a lot of very young followers. I watched the first two seasons and on one episode which I think was the IKEA episode TFW made the comment about nobody vacuuming behind something and I thought, Hey, wait a minute. She says she does it all without help who is she referring to? Then I googled J&K8 and came across some blogs and at that point decided the realist reality show was not real at all.
The current adult followers she has are either blind or they just do not care. I had two children that I raised 50% of the time by myself. My husband works as a firefighter and would work 24 hr shifts and then be home for 48 hrs. And although that seems like more time at home he would often work overtime or swap with someone else and if a nature disaster struck he would be gone weeks at a time. When hurricane Katrina hit he was gone for 3 1/2 weeks. And guess what. I managed to survive on my own without help around. She is just a lazy POS that needs to be brought down a few notches. I for one am sick of her Teflon self.
My hope is that one day the 8 children will have the opportunity to read for themselves how people did try to go to bat for them and that people did care enough to boycott the show and write to try and get it off the air.
I know I am rambling but I am very emotional today. A young mother of 3 small children passed away at the age of 25 on Tuesday from cervical cancer. She lived not far from where I live so it has been big news. Anyway, I just find it so unfair that she would do anything to be here to see her children grow upand wasn't given the opportunity but TFW (and no I do not wish death on her) just goes about her day sending her child away as if nothing is wrong. And for the record, when this mother was diagnosed and a friend set up a GOfundme acct, people actually wanted her to prove she had cancer! Google her if you like her name was Megan Zipperer.
Oh, Sara MRN, I am in tears!
That poor thing, her babies and her husband and family.
It is horrible people demanded to know if she really had cancer. The people that are con artists ruin it for the real people that really have cancer.
2) If he gets shared legal custody and can veto some of her decisions. Personally, I think her actions in refusing to communicate with him and cooperate are grounds to switch sole legal custody to him.
December 2, 2016 at 1:14 PM
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I wonder, strategically speaking, if Jon will go for full custody, based on Kate's past behavior. If he wins more custody time with the kids, great. But, what's to stop Kate from pulling the same shit over and over again?
I wonder if Jon will go for full custody, with Kate getting supervised visitation, because she simply can not be trusted.
Then I googled J&K8 and came across some blogs and at that point decided the realist reality show was not real at all.
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Sara- I also Google *very* early on because I came across the show and it caught my attention. I was particularly intrigued because I was picking up that Jon and Kate were from the Philly surrounds-maybe NJ- and I wanted to see where they lived.
WELL!! What I came across in addition to that information was quite eye opening. Even back then!
SaraMRN2010 said... 11
How tragic. Kate really has no idea what "difficult" means. I hope that she is finally put in her place.
My husband works as a firefighter and would work 24 hr shifts and then be home for 48 hrs. And although that seems like more time at home he would often work overtime or swap with someone else and if a nature disaster struck he would be gone weeks at a time. When hurricane Katrina hit he was gone for 3 1/2 weeks. And guess what. I managed to survive on my own without help around.
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Much respect for spouses of public servants whose duty comes first, and whose job involves bodily danger. You have Herculean strength, truly.
Also, besides being a ill-mannered woman, TFW is tickled pink when any woman loses her babies that were going to have HOM's.
What a cruel, jagged, black heart she has.
SaraMRN2010 (#11), so sorry to hear about that young woman. What a tragic situation.
Yes, it certainly does make you want to shake your fist at the unfairness of things. And thanks for sharing your own story about managing your household under challenging conditions. It seems like if both parents are on board with having the children's best interests at heart, almost anything can be worked out. But that's where the G kids have gotten screwed -- their mother's only concern is her own best interests.
I wonder if the truth about Steve and TFW will come out during a custody trial.
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Would anything about their um, relationship, be allowed as evidence...evidence of what? How would that pertain to custody? She is legally divorced.
I for one am sick of her Teflon self
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AAAhhh...they are getting rid of teflon. They have found that it chips away and is TOXIC. What a metaphor, aye?
I know zip about the law, but here's what I'm wondering. We know TFW will fight to avoid any kind of investigation or court dates or evaluations. Won't it be funny if she uses filming as an excuse to continue postponing court dates, and some judge or other official says, uh, lady, these are KIDS -- why are they working? Get yourselves in here, period. She'd practically be making Jon's case for him.
Just a thought. In the preview for the new season, H was crying to Kate that her thumb hurt but nobody cared. Could this be the reason for the cast?
I believe he can get joint custody without a problem.
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Nothing is ever a done deal. It's not cast in stone. It ain't over 'til it's over.
"Made public" as in the general public? Or only to people connected to the school?
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If I recall, the name of the local therapist helping Collin was mentioned somewhere online, in a letter from the school, so it was put out there for public consumption. I remember reading it.
Blowing In The Wind said... 19
Would anything about their um, relationship, be allowed as evidence...evidence of what? How would that pertain to custody? She is legally divorced.
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I imagine if she objects to Jon's living situation (shacking up with GF, the horror!) it would be within Jon's rights to rebut with the abundant evidence of Steve. If she and Steve are screaming at each other enough that Hannah wants to live with dad, then he must be there an awful lot of the time. Since that doesn't appear to matter as far as visitation is concerned, I don't think she'd get very far with this if she tried.
If the show isn't already dead from TLC's perspective, the one thing that would kill it is if Jon were to get custody of Collin and be able to take him home with him to live. If there's any rumble from his doctors that she is the cause of his "issues," I think that's the ballgame.
Sad but true (#25), and it might matter that Steve is married. Miss Contract Honorer might look kinda tacky dating someone who has a wife -- one she claimed to be her dear family friend.
That said, I'm still in the minority who doesn't believe TFW and Steve are intimate. Perhaps they were at some point, but I just don't see it. I think he is an extremely well paid babysitter, and has probably extended her shelf life in the entertainment business many years by steering her away from trouble.
Sad but true said... 26
If the show isn't already dead from TLC's perspective, the one thing that would kill it is if Jon were to get custody of Collin and be able to take him home with him to live. If there's any rumble from his doctors that she is the cause of his "issues," I think that's the ballgame.
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I think it's the ball game if Kate is forced to keep to the schedule, and not cancel willy nilly so she can film.
That would really restrict filming time.
But yes, if Colin goes to Jon, that's the end of the "Plus 8".
That said, I'm still in the minority who doesn't believe TFW and Steve are intimate.
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It doesn't appear that Steve had any designs on leaving his wife and kids for Kate, but I'll never believe that they never crossed the line. I think that happened pretty quickly.
That said, I'm still in the minority who doesn't believe TFW and Steve are intimate.
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I'm with you. He is her handler.
I believe that something happened between TFW and Steve at some point and that she may have crossed the line before Jon did. If true, that's what I'd like to come out since Jon was the one vilified s an adulterer. Now? He's latched on to the gravy train and won't get off until it is derailed. If the writing is on the wall, he may just be her Svengali and will help her out with a YouTube channel or whatever else she things she can do. Anything to get the gravy train back on track.
Also Kate said on GMA that Colin's Drs. TOLD her he had to be removed from the home. I don't remember her exact wording but the bottom line was it was NOT Kate's decision for Colin to go away. But of course Kate could be lying through her teeth.
Im surprised milo isn't crying to Deanna on twitter about the stuff that's going on regarding the court issue.I still can't get over how she tried to act as an authority figure and that any negative thing about Kate was a lie.I wasn't here when sister Kendra spoke out but i remember going to the kendra post where you guys were posting tweets by her where she was claiming how the article lied and that Kate actually missed Kendra.Nothing came out of that though and it appears she hasn't been on twitter for a long time since that whole crazy tweet war.
Sorry if mentioned already. I just noticed that the birthday scavenger hunt was filmed when Kate has her driveway lined with flags, so it was around the 4th of July?
How timely. Not.
She came out of the house with a huge pitcher of water. Huh?
If it's so hot out, fill a cooler with ice and water bottles.
just wondering said... 30
That said, I'm still in the minority who doesn't believe TFW and Steve are intimate.
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I'm with you. He is her handler.
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If that's really the case, that a 41-yo woman requires a wrangler to get her through life, yet another reason why TLC has to be out of their damned minds to be filming this family. I mean, really---are all her girls going to be looking for "Steve" for the rest of their lives? Will they be as helpless as Mommy?
I believe TFW and Steve have been very intimate for a very long time.
A decade.
Remember the trip to NZ years ago just Steve and Gina by themselves?
I think they went on that trip to get divorced.
I am not convinced that filming will be an issue where custody is concerned. I definitely feel that TLC has had enough of Kate. I suspect that the 10pm slot is due to advertising. It has long been said that there are issues with advertisers not wanting their ads to run during her show. Why would TLC give up a prime time slot (8 or 9pm) to a show that doesn't make maximum advertising dollars? They have to put her on at a time when they don't expect to make a lot of ad revenue. The show, however, costs a lot to produce. You can't tell me the Busbys are making $40K an episode yet, even though they may be worth a lot more as far as ad revenue is concerned. The shows that demand the high salaries are the longer-running shows that make TLC a lot of money. When you combine low revenue with high expenses, it is a losing situation for the network. Take her high salary, plus the kids salaries, money for trips for all those people, handlers, Steve, etc, and it can't be worth the trouble for them.
I think that Collin's absence might be the deal-breaker. The show is Kate Plus 8, not Kate Plus 7. We saw the contracts in Robert's book. All the kids had to be there for filming, even when they were sick. Collin was there for some of the filming, then he was gone. Did TLC know he was leaving? Or did they sign contracts, start filming, and suddenly Kate springs the news on the, that Collin won't be there, knowing that they will have to finish the season (or go through the expense of going to court). I believe that is what happened. She wanted filming to continue, even if it meant defrauding TLC. And she went for it. No never means no to her, remember? She did whatever it took to get what she wanted. TLC doesn't promote the show because they are done with her. The show belongs to them--they don't have to promote if they don't want to. And then they can cancel for low ratings. Too easy. At least, that's what I think is going on.
Leslie (32)
If Collin's doctors told Kate that C had to be removed from the house, then those doctors believed that C's home environment was detrimental to his well-being. Not surprising, but still so sad for all the kids. Alexis seems medicated, the twins seem so angry...I saw the clip of the family yoga, and Mady was saying that she has issues with touching other people's hands. That is not normal.
Isn't it interesting that the kids who appear to be the most emotionally healthy are the ones who spend time with Jon?
Tucker's Mom said... 34
Sorry if mentioned already. I just noticed that the birthday scavenger hunt was filmed when Kate has her driveway lined with flags, so it was around the 4th of July?
How timely. Not.
She came out of the house with a huge pitcher of water. Huh?
If it's so hot out, fill a cooler with ice and water bottles.
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Maybe it was Memorial Day? She claimed H broke her arm in gym the last day of school, and their birthday is in May isn't it
I didn't notice the flags; good catch
I mean, really---are all her girls going to be looking for "Steve" for the rest of their lives? Will they be as helpless as Mommy?
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According to some reports, Steve did advise her on what size her new girls should be!
Im surprised milo isn't crying to Deanna on twitter about the stuff that's going on regarding the court issue.I
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They are best friends, and as such they could be messaging one another in private.
Layla said... 37
. . . The shows that demand the high salaries are the longer-running shows that make TLC a lot of money. When you combine low revenue with high expenses, it is a losing situation for the network.
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The BIG exception to this is the Duggars' Counting On. They lost well over 1,000 advertisers who are showing no signs of coming back. TLC is reduced to running ads for its own shows plus low-revenue local ads whenever it's on. And I'm sure it costs quite a lot of money to produce. The sheer volume of "cast members" alone must make it extremely unwieldy.
Yeah, I do think if Collin's not coming back, she's done. They may give her a special or two for "milestones," or even a "where are they now" interview-type hour a la the McCaugheys, but I don't think she's coming back on the regular after this.
Fleecing The Sheeple said... 40
LOL, I noticed that just as I was hitting the post button.
Tucker's Mom said... 34
. . . She came out of the house with a huge pitcher of water. Huh?
If it's so hot out, fill a cooler with ice and water bottles.
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This is probably her version of frugal. Ya know, if she was still writing a coupon blog, she could froth up 1,000 words to tell us how she saves money on bottled water by taking it from her tap.
You know craft services would have been fully stocked with cold bottled drinks. Again, all for show, no reality involved.
Layla said... 38
I saw the clip of the family yoga, and Mady was saying that she has issues with touching other people's hands. That is not normal.
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I see a pretty direct line between that sentiment and Steve's pizza. Her non-OCD mother has turned her into a germaphobe.
They are not divorced. Their house in MD is in both names. Public knowledge.
Steve is her handler and I believe longtime lover or at the very least the reason for her filing divorce. Some men never marry their mistresses. Boo hoo, Kate.
Kate's job could be more of a problem than Jon's for the courts. It's unpredictable, and there's a fair argument harmful to the children who have to participate for her to be able to work. For that reason alone it's unstable--at any time they could suddenly refuse to film and then she's really in a jam. Her income has likely jumped up and down up and down for years now, which doesn't look good.
There will always be weddings and bat mitzvahs, and the schedule makes him easily available for anything the kids need during the day.
Also Kate said on GMA that Colin's Drs. TOLD her he had to be removed from the home. I don't remember her exact wording but the bottom line was it was NOT Kate's decision for Colin to go away. But of course Kate could be lying through her teeth.
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If the doctors told her she had to place him, they would have had to do it through proper legal channels. Doctors have no authority to detain your kid. Only social services and the courts can do that. Therefore, I do believe in fact she had no choice in the matter and in fact they did go through legal channels.
There was a big ole lawsuit right here in LA over a pediatrician who detained a child without court permission. Huge. She got in a boatload of trouble for it.
I just find it hard to believe that they are not divorced.
For a husband to be with his female client that many days and over nights, and weeks at a time FOR ALL THESE YEARS, oh, you bet your sweet bippie, we would be divorced!
But yes, if Colin goes to Jon, that's the end of the "Plus 8".
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Ah, don't worry! I'm sure Kate's thinking of changing her name!
Does Heaven + 7 sound catchy?
LOL
I noticed on the look back show that Collin's name isn't listed on the schedule for computer use. Really? Just what is he allowed to do? There were moments during the igloo building segment that he was alone and furthest away from the group (on the wide shot of the group). He looked so sad and withdrawn. It seemed to me he wasn't allowed to speak, especially when Kate was nearby. My heart cries for him.
But yes, if Colin goes to Jon, that's the end of the "Plus 8".
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Don't worry, Kate's already working on it.
She's thinking of changing her first name. It needs to rhyme with 7...
Heaven plus 7?
Evin plus 7?
LOL
Steve is her handler and I believe longtime lover or at the very least the reason for her filing divorce. Some men never marry their mistresses. Boo hoo, Kate.
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She filed for divorce because he made it clear that he wanted the kids off television, to live normal childhoods without an invasion of privacy for the entertainment of the public. That didn't fit into her Master Plan.
I just find it hard to believe that they are not divorced.
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I find it hard to believe that no tabloids, no internet sleuths, no persistent inquiring minds have thus far found any docs or evidence of a divorce, even if records are sealed and one would have been obtained in NZ.
People talk, and info like that certainly would have found its way to the USA and into the lap of the gossip tabs.
Here is the exact quote from Kate's interview with GMA:
"It was not even really a choice — it was on the advice of his doctors. He's plodding along and we are too, but it was definitely necessary, and I'll go to the ends of the Earth for the best for each one of them. This is the best thing I can do for him right now."
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Admin, you said, "If the doctors told her she had to place him, they would have had to do it through proper legal channels."
My question is if Kate agreed with the doctors without protest would they still have to go through legal channels. I think Colin had to have done something that was beyond his normal behavior. It must have been something pretty bad to another person or to an animal for his Drs. to say he MUST go to this other facility/school to get help. Remember it was stated in 2010 Collin was hitting adults/schoolmates in kindergarten so we know he is a hitter. We have witnessed this many times with our own eyes.
Sad but true (#44), that reminds me of one of my favorite "realest reality" moments from J&K+8: when TFW came out with a tray of cups of Juicy Juice, plus an unopened bottle of the stuff, label faced to the camera. As TFW so eloquently put it, our life is our show, and our show is our life.
Kate said this about Colin in her book. He was six years old at the time she wrote this: “sweet, kind and helpful” and praised his math skills, but revealed that he had a tendency to act out. “As you have grown, however, I must say you have also challenged my authority greatly…. At two and a half, you began testing and trying my parenting at every chance. I called Daddy at work many days crying because you would not obey. I had to ask you every day, ‘Who’s in charge here: you or me?’ You would reluctantly answer, ‘You are.’ As you have grown, this has not changed. You continue to be determined to do what you want to do, and I continue to try to rein you in.”
OMG, what is wrong with this woman. Again why does the whole world need to know this about her precious six year old son. It is cruel and totally unnecessary. Was it written so readers would have sympathy for her? It is documented in black and white bound in a book FOREVER. Of course, she wrote this only for MONEY!!
Any why was she asking a very small child who was in charge everyday? The child was probably at least 3 and no older than 5 when she was asking him this stupid question. This was when they were living and filming in their other home filming J&K Plus 8.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/kate-gosselin-opens-son-collin-defends-parenting-style/story?id=43680543
This was shown on Nightline on ABC. It is an eight-minute piece on the Gosselin family MESS. So now a whole new audience will get the full scope of what is happening with this family. I was curious what kind of ratings this show received. I found that in 2015 they had about 1.3 million viewers.
What I never noticed before was during Kate's GMA interview she was asked about Jon seeing the kids and if it was a possibility of Jon having an relationship with all the kids. She said she would love that BUT she did not know if it was possible. WOW! She is admitting that some of her kids will probably NOT have a relationship with him. Most are only 12 years old. It like she already knows it is not going to happen. Why? Because in the background she is alienating & orchestrating her children from him. Secretly she does not want the kids to have a relationship with him.
I hope this court hearing will result in a full-blown investigation of Kate and the way she is alienating her kids from their father. Something has to change.
I wonder what would happen if Colin's doctors told Kate and TLC that filming is detrimental for Colin. Would Kate care? Would TLC care? Would they just film without him? His doctors must know that all the filming for the past decade is NOT helping this young boy. Filming and talking about Colin' issues on TV and in magazines is SICK!
Admin., could the court forbid Kate to stop all filming if it is determined it is detrimental? They could look at the millions she has and determine that filming is NOT needed for her to raise these children. We know they already have college funds set-up. Wouldn't that be wonderful!
I encourage everybody to see this interview. Admittedly there is no new revelations but when you see all eight minutes of the dysfunction of this family it is shocking. It really does a great job of capturing the whole picture of what is going on.
http://okmagazine.com/uncategorized/video-kate-gosselin-admits-collin-alexis-have-anger-issues/
I just found this interview from The Today Show with Meredith Vieira where Kate is talking about Colin and Alexis being expelled in 2010. It is crazy to see Kate lie, lie, lie. And look at her hair with no extensions. It is thin. She says what Colin and Alexis went through is totally NORMAL. She makes a point to say "NORMAL" at two different times in the interview. We know from the school letter that was sent to both Jon and Kate their behaviors were NOT normal at all. That is why they were expelled because the school could not handle Colin and Alexis. The school even gave them a special three week intensive program to help their behaviors to no avail.
She states that is has forgiven Jon and holds no anger toward him. Yes, she says that. And here we are six years later with tons of proof of the anger she holds toward him. And how she has transferred her anger toward Jon to her kids. So much so that half of them do not want to have a relationship with him.
Just stopping by said... 52
I noticed on the look back show that Collin's name isn't listed on the schedule for computer use. Really? Just what is he allowed to do? There were moments during the igloo building segment that he was alone and furthest away from the group (on the wide shot of the group). He looked so sad and withdrawn. It seemed to me he wasn't allowed to speak, especially when Kate was nearby. My heart cries for him.
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Witch, seriously? Collin is not allowed to get on the computer?
TLC, filming him further away from the group.
Oh, my. I am in tears. That poor little boy.
All this is on one person and that person is Kate Gosselin. She began hitting and beating them and verbally abusing them when they were babies and continues till today. C and A learned this from their mother.
It is learned behavior. This is all they know.
And they learned it from her.
As TFW so eloquently put it, our life is our show, and our show is our life.
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And therein lies the problem.
The show must go on, no matter what happens. It is and always has been all about TFW.
She filed for divorce because he made it clear that he wanted the kids off television, to live normal childhoods without an invasion of privacy for the entertainment of the public. That didn't fit into her Master Plan.
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"I'm in charge, and that is NEVER gonna change." It was eerie how she made a motion over Jon's face, saying we have some "ironing out to do," when Jon said he no longer wanted to film. At that point, she knew Jon was no longer part of her plan. The show MUST go on for her sake, not the sake of her marriage and children. People in TFW's life are disposable, and she will move on as if nothing has changed. These kids are her accessories.
And why don't the 2 boys have access to their own computers? The girls use them at night, and the boys have to get up at 5am to do their homework. Those boys more than earned their own computers. The boys are always second class citizens. And it is sickening to me how she degrades them. She has "male issues" and really needs to see a psychiatrist. Ranting done.
IMO, Collin will never be back on the show, therefore it is no longer about the "8", and the show is toast. From what I've read, the show is one big yawn. If Kate thinks she can continue to MANIPULATE the family's dynamic by filming, she is mistaken. None of what is filmed or what she tweets is real. I wised up years ago because as the seasons aired, the story lines were more and more contrived with the desperation of putting the family in different situations. Now it's just plan ridiculous what is filmed ad nauseam and the kids are bundles of hot mess with now one child sent away and others with psychological problems. One thing TLC has not learned is that her show has reached an expiration date, although let's hope with the ratings plunge they must be just about there. She must have one hell of a contract to keep this gravy train rolling along for so many years or TLC feels she still brings in advertiser dollars. The show is a disgrace and an injustice to those children! What a slug of a mother that woman is.
Somehow I'm imagining TFW going from doctor to doctor, and finding out from all of them that filming is a terrible idea for C, and TFW leaving each office in a huff. Who knows how many professionals she consulted before she found one who she could convince to get C out of the house?
I'm dead serious -- I would put nothing past her. My opinion of her has never been lower. She is a horrible mother.
TLC stinks said... 65
One thing TLC has not learned is that her show has reached an expiration date, although let's hope with the ratings plunge they must be just about there. She must have one hell of a contract to keep this gravy train rolling along for so many years or TLC feels she still brings in advertiser dollars.
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I don't think her contract is in any way structured to favor her over TLC. I think she was desperate to come back, and I'm sure TLC was able pretty much to set their own terms. They've only filmed 22 or so episodes in 2.5 years---you know if Kate had any say, it would have been a lot more than that. They've given her a new title in the last dozen or so episodes ("producer," lol), but that's no skin off their nose. Maybe it brings her a nominal additional salary, no idea. Sent her to Mexico once, but otherwise all Stateside trips (you know she was holding out for Europe or Asia).
TLC is visibly struggling as a network. Most of their shows are losers or just strain the bonds of credulity/ decency to an extent that people just turn away. Which is why LPBW also came back after being cancelled, and why they found a way to re-tool/re-brand (not very successfully) the Duggar show. As a known quantity, Kate was a safe bet for a time, but the last thing they want from her right now is controversy, and here they are, smack dab in the middle of one. Not as big and bad as what engulfed the Duggars last year, but certainly high-profile and bad enough. And to the extent that they can be shown to have colluded in the viewer deception (not to mention the parental alienation), perhaps they will also have some liability problems in the not-too-distant future.
Contract or no---and I'm sure there isn't one that guarantees her any set number of episodes, she's a "day player" for them---I think they'll cut her loose again without a backwards glance.
TLC stinks said... 65
IMO, Collin will never be back on the show, therefore it is no longer about the "8", and the show is toast
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Can you imagine the scrutiny?
It's bad enough Kate splashed his condition on the front of People magazine and continued to film, but to put him back in front of the camera will be unconscionable.
I'm hoping and thinking positively that professionals and judge will never allow that to happen again.
Even if it is Colin's "normal". Blech.
. At two and a half, you began testing and trying my parenting at every chance. I called Daddy at work many days crying because you would not obey. I had to ask you every day, ‘Who’s in charge here: you or me?’ You would reluctantly answer, ‘You are.’ As you have grown, this has not changed. You continue to be determined to do what you want to do, and I continue to try to rein you in.”
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It couldn't be that Kate needed to adapt to Colin, could it?
Of course not! Colin had to adapt (submit) to Kate.
After so many years, wouldn't you think that maybe it's YOU, not the child?
Sad but true (#67), you make some great points. Isn't it interesting that TFW has had a decade-plus-long relationship with TLC, and they really don't seem to have 2 hoots to give about her? You'd think they would've been hyping that anniversary show like mad. Join us to look back at America's Favorite Family! The gang you love is back! See how those adorable toddlers have grown! Nope -- it was just business as usual. I think that thank you tweet from TFW to TLC was her desperate attempt to engender some good will. But TLC is in charge, and that's never gonna change.
ny why was she asking a very small child who was in charge everyday?
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Because Kate never explained and reasoned with the kids like Jon did. It was just all punishment for non-compliance.
http://okmagazine.com/uncategorized/video-kate-gosselin-admits-collin-alexis-have-anger-issues/
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Sweet Jesus, what a flood of lies! From beginning to end.
‘You are.’ As you have grown, this has not changed. You continue to be determined to do what you want to do, and I continue to try to rein you in.”
OMG, what is wrong with this woman. Again why does the whole world need to know this about her precious six year old son. It is cruel and totally unnecessary.
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Again, they are appliances to her. When one doesn't "work" the way she expects, she figuratively (and literally) bangs them over the head. Unfortunately the words are what hurt and continue to hurt him the most.
Also, her putting it in writing to be devoured by the masses shows how "off" she is from normal emotions and feelings. For her to feel that she'd be understood, be pitied, be held up as this kind of parentalauthority shows the gap from reality. She is nuts
Heaven plus 7?
Evin plus 7?
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The Ravin' seven?
Seven plus Cloven?
Unforgiven Seven?
Seven Deadly Sins?
Seven Woven Lies?
This ain't Heaven?
Seven Treated Uneven?
So she's been named "producer" of the show?
Does anyone know if ANY of the kids' are listed?
HGTV lists the kids on their parents' shows as producers..for instance Moving the McGillvarys. The youngest is maybe 2
Or did they sign contracts, start filming, and suddenly Kate springs the news on the, that Collin won't be there, knowing that they will have to finish the season (or go through the expense of going to court). I believe that is what happened. She wanted filming to continue, even if it meant defrauding TLC. And she went for it. No never means no to her, remember? She did whatever it took to get what she wanted. TLC doesn't promote the show because they are done with her. The show belongs to them--they don't have to promote if they don't want to.
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Good point
Will they be as helpless as Mommy?
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There's the contradiction and hypocrisy. She claims to be so self sufficient, a high achiever, a strong independent woman...and then there's that slime ball at her side, in her ear. He serves some kind of selfish purpose, he's still useful to her, that's why he's still around. he'd be at the curb as well if there was no use for him.
Vanessa said... 74
Seven Plus Cloven---OMG, dying here.
Vanessa (#73), and wouldn't it have been wonderful if TFW EMBRACED C's strong will? Saw it as an asset in his life that he has determination? And not just something he did to p**s her off?
Here's my title attempt:
"8 Minus 1 = Chaotic Fun!"
Vanessa said... 75
No, no kids listed---are you crazy, that might entitle them to an additional paycheck! And there are no less than EIGHT (the irony, lol) people with producer titles of some sort. Clearly, it takes a village. So Kate as producer is risible.
I read once, "you have to parent the child you have, not the child you think you have." You cannot parent a strong-willed child the same way you parent an easy going one. In fact, a large part of treatment for ODD includes parent training with techniques to react to certain behaviors. I am sure she was offered this training but refused to follow it. Even if he doens't have ODD these tips are helpful for strong-willed children.
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Again, they are appliances to her. When one doesn't "work" the way she expects, she figuratively (and literally) bangs them over the head. Unfortunately the words are what hurt and continue to hurt him the most.
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Wow, such an amazing analogy. You nailed it.
Final show: Aunt Jodie and Uncle Kevin Save the 7
Tucker's Mom (#82), remember when TFW was thumbing through the bed catalogue while poor C was writhing in pain? She looked at one of the pictures and said something like, "Why don't you come in white?" It was a window into her general sense of entitlement -- why isn't everything the way she wants it, when she wants it, 24/7?
Two things:
1. Why the kids have to share one laptop:I think it's because it's easiest for Kate to control what they have access to online. They are probably forbidden to go on certain websites/google certain things/email Jon and so on and she is making them share the one computer because she has raised them to be against each other.One child will tattle on another immediately because she has praised the behaviour. Also one computer is easier to control than 6 or 8(M and C have smartphones but since she poisoned them agains Jon, I doubt she's concerned they'd try to contact him).
2.I have found the two episodes online but cannot bring myself to watch them, especially the episode with Collin. I guess I'll give it a shot when I have a spare hour to skim through them.
Wow, such an amazing analogy. You nailed it****
I can't take credit for that one, read it years ago somewhere. I agree, it is a great analogy.
It must have been something pretty bad to another person or to an animal for his Drs. to say he MUST go to this other facility/school to get help.
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Did the doctor or doctors say that he MUST go? I'm reading the quote from Kate, and she says it was on the doctor's advice that he was sent away for treatment. Has it been said anywhere that this was an order from a physician, therapist, or anyone else?
Blowing (#87), and as someone said upthread, even if TFW said it was ordered by a doctor, who on earth would believe her? Her credibility is shot.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 88
Blowing (#87), and as someone said upthread, even
if TFW said it was ordered by a doctor, who on earth would believe her? Her credibility is shot.
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Her credibility with this particular child is nonexistent.
In re-reading TFW's horrible letter to C, I can't help but remember that this sweet child started his life in NICU. It's a miracle that he was able to come home and thrive and live a relatively normal life.
So what a staggering lack of gratitude on TFW's part to write a laundry list of this child's faults, for all the world to see (but, worst of all, for him). Has she ever given a moment's thought to the mothers who have severely disabled children? Who are still feeding, dressing, and, yes, changing the diapers of their children way past toddler age? Mothers who have to put any chance of a career aside for the constant needs of their children? Not to mention mothers who've lost their children -- either through a miscarriage, SIDS, or any number of horrible circumstances. I know people who have commented here who have lived through the death of a child, and I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. And I'd certainly never even wish it on TFW.
She has lived nothing short of a charm life, with more blessings and perks and second chances than anyone could hope for. And it's still not enough, and will never be enough.
I don't envy her for a second.
SunsetBlvd said... 83
Final show: Aunt Jodie and Uncle Kevin Save the 7
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Final show: The Magnificent 7 Escape The Gosselin Compound
I saw the episode with Collin and it seemd to me maybe he was not in a public school but was home-schooled,thus he could use the computer during the day. Kate said she 'gets him settled in school' Wouldn't you say- "I then drive Collin to school" or the bus picks him up or whatever? He was at the breakfast table in regular clothes so he must start his day early too.And she wouldn't leave such a "troubled" child alone, would she? I think the tutor was there.It just seemd that she would have complained about having to drive him and her word choice of 'settled' made me think this. He seemd fine, although subdued and the shoulder jerks were evident , but in the couch interviews he was laughing and joking with his brothers.
@SunsetBlvd Speaking of Jodie and Kevin,do we know if Jon's still in touch with them?Maybe they could help out with the recent custody thing and all the people who've witness what Kate has done to the kids.Even if Jon somehow didn't have proof,there was the many witnesses who saw what Kate did.
Blowing (#87), and as someone said upthread, even if TFW said it was ordered by a doctor, who on earth would believe her? Her credibility is shot.
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Nobody would believe her. I asked if she or any of the tabs came out with the "ordered" by a doctor, and my question was in response to the poster here who said, "It must have been something pretty bad to another person or to an animal for his Drs. to say he MUST go to this other facility/school to get help."
I thought perhaps an "insider" released this info to the tabs because I hadn't seen it anywhere that this was an order, the "MUST GO" thing.
I'm so confused. The holidays do that to me! Now where did I hide that keg?
I've been reading some of the comments on the Kate plus 8 FB and a lot of them are negative regarding Collin not being at the tups birthday party.
This one comment stood out regarding this episode and I think it reflects many of the other comments:
"Oh dear I have a problem, I forgot to plant the second clue. Really ?..... Really?.... No Kate, that's not a problem, YOU forgetting to pick up Colin & bringing him to HIS birthday party, NOW THAT'S A PROBLEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · Dec 1
@mnmomof2inohio @Kateplusmy8 Sad indeed! #Tabloids R the reading material of the gossip mongers & people who live 4negativity! #SewerLit101
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Yet, Milo believed every single tabloid story about Jon. A few examples:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 19 Jul 2014
What on earth...RH was living 4months N Jon's NY apartment? Why was he not w/wife & kids? Check it out > http://www.thesagewayexpress.blogspot.com #Obsessed
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 15 Oct 2014
Jon Gosselin Evicted From His Home http://eonli.ne/1DdbJhn via @eonline
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack · 27 Dec 2013
Jon Gosselin in the Wilderness | Articles: http://www.phillymag.com/articles/jon-gosselin-wilderness/#.Ur4m8JWWZho.twitter … Saint Jon embarrassing his kids again...I feel bad 4Kate as well! :(
She'll believe all the negative "tabloid" articles about Jon, but a negative "tabloid" article about Kate is "gossip mongering".
I've been reading some of the comments on the Kate plus 8 FB and a lot of them are negative regarding Collin not being at the tups birthday party.
This one comment stood out regarding this episode and I think it reflects many of the other comments:
"Oh dear I have a problem, I forgot to plant the second clue. Really ?..... Really?.... No Kate, that's not a problem, YOU forgetting to pick up Colin & bringing him to HIS birthday party, NOW THAT'S A PROBLEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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That's a good one. Seems the problem wasn't only forgetting to pick him up for his birthday party...it was forgetting about Collin PERIOD.
@SunsetBlvd Speaking of Jodie and Kevin,do we know if Jon's still in touch with them?Maybe they could help out with the recent custody thing and all the people who've witness what Kate has done to the kids.Even if Jon somehow didn't have proof,there was the many witnesses who saw what Kate did.
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I would bet my bottom dollar that there are others who are helping out with the custody issue, including his aunt and uncle. None of that, however, is being made public, nor should it be.
In re-reading TFW's horrible letter to C, I can't help but remember that this sweet child started his life in NICU. It's a miracle that he was able to come home and thrive and live a relatively normal life.
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Right. And finding the causation of this sort of thing is tricky. But it could very well be directly related to being a preemie. These issues can be a direct result of that.
He is not being "trying", when she says stuff like that she implies he really has control over this. He likely doesn't. Services can help him understand and cope with his impulses, but they're organic to him and she needs to cut him a break for that. One can make the argument his prematurity was her fault, for taking such a high risk of multiples which almost always is going to result in premature births, and problems.
So apparently Kate used delay tactics to insure that the girls could not win the scavenger hunt and to give the boys a head start. Does anyone really believe that she freaked out because "height" was spelled wrong? And that she had to run get her label maker to correct it?
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/kate-plus-8/videos/stall-tactics/
It's just so obvious how this episode was planned to create division between the boys and the girls.
Kate seems to be going overboard trying to help the boys "win", but in the same note, she is continuing to create divisiveness between both the boys and the girls.
I find it interesting that TLC showed this clip. Perhaps, they wanted to show how imbalanced she really is.
I also find it interesting that in the couch interviews, the girls' claim that the boys "cheated" because of Andrea helping them, but none of them claim that Mommy cheated.
Someone on twitter made a great point. The four who see Jon regularly seem to be the best adjusted of the eight.
Someone on twitter made a great point. The four who see Jon regularly seem to be the best adjusted of the eight.
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Yeah.....noticed that.
I read once, "you have to parent the child you have, not the child you think you have."
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Nice. Or in Kate's case, the child she WANTS to have.
Kate is a twit said... 97
So apparently Kate used delay tactics to insure that the girls could not win the scavenger hunt and to give the boys a head start. Does anyone really believe that she freaked out because "height" was spelled wrong? And that she had to run get her label maker to correct it?
http://www.tlc.com/tv-shows/kate-plus-8/videos/stall-tactics/
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She tells the girls, "I love the boys, I love your brothers, but, the truth is, we could probably sit here for an hour and you'd still win."
Talk about divisive!
That was very difficult to watch. I didn't watch the others. I'm lacking the words to describe how she makes me feel--angry, disgusted, frustrated, incredulous. Is she pretending to be dull-witted or is it real?
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 100
I read once, "you have to parent the child you have, not the child you think you have."
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Nice. Or in Kate's case, the child she WANTS to have
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Actually that's what I meant to say LOL .."not the child you wish you had"
Kate is a twit said... 97
So apparently Kate used delay tactics to insure that the girls could not win the scavenger hunt and to give the boys a head start
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And yet, she "has a problem who let their kids airquote win airquote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs6CLnjljZs
Guess that only applies when the competition is against her.
Just saw the clip about her brilliant delay tactics (ugh). I don't think this was in the show (although I can't remember too much from the show because it was bloody awful). One of the biggest problems (among many) is that you see what she does and then she prattles on endlessly about what she has done. There is no insight or growth or meaning - there is just see me do this, and now I will talk about what I have just done. A sane person would find this tedious and boring. She relishes it because she can go on and on about how brilliant she is (or thinks she is). Very disturbing. That show would be 15 minutes long if she didn't narrate and embellish every step she makes. Filler, in more ways than one.
She tells the girls, "I love the boys, I love your brothers, but, the truth is, we could probably sit here for an hour and you'd still win."
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"I love you but" does not excuse a mean, and completely unnecessary comment.
Nasty woman. They do exist.
Kate is a twit said... 97
So apparently Kate used delay tactics to insure that the girls could not win the scavenger hunt and to give the boys a head start
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Pure Kate, conniving and manipulating as usual to get the results SHE wants.
It's just so obvious how this episode was planned to create division between the boys and the girls.
Kate seems to be going overboard trying to help the boys "win", but in the same note, she is continuing to create divisiveness between both the boys and the girls.
I find it interesting that TLC showed this clip. Perhaps, they wanted to show how imbalanced she really is.
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Here's a thought. Since there were more girls than boys, combine EVERYONE and divide by 2.
Kate always pits the girls against the boys, and while I think the boys are always chill about it, the girls get nasty and personal.
Here's a thought. Since there were more girls than boys, combine EVERYONE and divide by 2.
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Exactly what I was thinking! Geez! It's a win-win. The teams would be fair, and the boys and girls would have a good opportunity to work together for once.
Heaven forbid they actually have some experiences in life where they work WITH their brothers, not against them. When she divides them, she needs to make a point to mix it up as often as possible so they all get a chance to work with each other. There is no disadvantage to this. Wait, there is a disadvantage. She does not WANT them to all learn to work together and get along because then they might actually get a clue and band together against her. And I'll believe that until my dying day.
I watched a little of the show snippet with Kate stalling the girls' van and jeez louise, she did it again!
Why the subterfuge of making this drama? Kate sets up a situation whereby she's holding the girls back from starting the treasure hunt, and it's the perfect foil for Kate to make herself the center of attention and camera time.
First it's the misspelled signage in the van. The, Kate has the EXACT SAME LABEL MAKER, so she can make a new label.
Girls, girls!!! Watch me affix the new label?
(f*cking fascinating)
Girls! Should I put the old label on my forehead? Yes?
Look at me!!!!!!!
And yeah, what Kate said about the boys getting a big head start was nasty. She really thinks males are dim bulbs.
I loved how she went on and on about misspelled words. I would bet you anything that they put that label in the van so that TFW would have something to prattle on about and then fix with the exact same label maker. Riveting television.
NJGal51 said... 113
I loved how she went on and on about misspelled words. I would bet you anything that they put that label in the van so that TFW would have something to prattle on about and then fix with the exact same label maker. Riveting television.
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It was painfully obvious.
Because, you know, when it comes to not shearing off the top of a rental van in a parking garage, the signage should be a tiny, misspelled label that a 2-year old could peel off.
Didn't sound like a scavenger hunt to me. The scavenger hunts I have done or heard about have a list of items you have to find. She could have done one at her own home with a list of things found around the house and outside.
She had to have a rented BBB? Wouldn't her SUV be big enough? (oh yeah it had to fit camera men in there)
Is the Goggle Works the old Vanity Fair outlets??
Ingrid (#115), I assumed the same thing about the scavenger hunt. You mean they actually left the property? Lordy bee!
And yes, nothing spells Typical American Family like traveling with a TLC entourage
for a freaking birthday party. Not even a "big" birthday, either. If she's still under contract at TLC for #13, heaven knows what horrifying extravaganza she'll come up with
(on their dime).
I thought the money booth was an interesting choice for a birthday party. Looks like she used real money - wouldn't monopoly money have worked just as well? Wonder if she counted before everyone left to make sure no one slipped off with a buck or two. In any case, all the kids seem to really enjoy it.
For those of you who watched the birthday episode, on a scale of 1-10, how hard would it be to put together the festivities?
KIAT (#96), great detective work with those tweets from Gladys! She is ready to grab at any anti-Jon gossip with both hands. But anything against her true love is a LIE!
OT- Anyone following the Sherri Papini case? She's the woman who was allegedly abducted by hispanic women, perhaps for the sex trade?
Anyway, something's been hinky from the jump, for me. Her husband is creepy and can fake crying about as good as Kate.
Crocodile tears, Go Fund Me account and doing a media tour that Kate would envy.
Because, they're a very private couple...
Re the second BBB - I think she gave Jon the old BBB when she bought the new one. I wonder if she borrowed it from Jon so that Andrea could drive the boys. Probably not, according to Jon they don't communicate...but then again she has never been shy about 'soliciting'.
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Anonymous said... 122
Re the second BBB - I think she gave Jon the old BBB when she bought the new one. I wonder if she borrowed it from Jon so that Andrea could drive the boys
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No way! The old BBB got cooties after she let Jon drive it!
Anonymous said... 122
C'mon, you KNOW Figure 8 rented another one for her. Get the old one from Jon? Not in a million. And one.
Tucker's Mom, the Goggleworks are not in the old VF outlets. They are over the bridge in the city. I haven't actually been there but I've heard it's nice.
Admin, are you working on a recap for the anniversary special? No pressure -- just hoping!
On the short clip she said "rented" BBB.
Anonymous said... 122
Re the second BBB - I think she gave Jon the old BBB when she bought the new one. I wonder if she borrowed it from Jon so that Andrea could drive the boys
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She has/had 3 cars, the extra large van for driving all the kids, a second van, which didn't use as much gas (for errands, etc.) and her little sports car.
Did she get rid of the mid-sized van? In that ghastly clip she said the van she was driving was a rental.
Blowing (#94), I hope you don't think I was being argumentative -- sorry if my comment came off that way! I didn't realize you were addressing someone else's comment. I just meant, if TFW's lips are moving, she's lying.
I don't drink, but if you find a keg of virgin rumspringa, pour me a tall one!
So, it was planned that the boys were the ones who were suppose to win? All the childish stalling was for them to win?
Here is my conspiracy theory.
I think TFW planned it so the boys would win so Collin would find out about it and hurt him even more. Can you imagine being far away from home and you can't be with your brothers, your dogs, your sisters, your school, your everything.
And then find out that your mom went ahead and filmed the 12th birthday party without him and what was so awful was when it got time to sing the traditional HB song the way they have done since birth, OH! We don't have TIME!
She did not want them to get upset that Collin wasn't there. And America upset.
Man, she is such a liar!
She has got in for that little boy!
She just thinks that people accept anything that comes out of her mouth. Thank God for archived video taped interviews. There are so many AVTI's out there of her telling lie after lie after lie, deflecting about what is going on at the moment in the world of Gosselin Land.
Tucker's Mom said... 121
OT- Anyone following the Sherri Papini case?
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I do believe that something happened to her, but after watching the 20/20 special I agree with you that something about the husband is 'off'.
The Papini case is as odd as the Jonbenet Ramsey case. I'm watching it play out.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 132
The Papini case is as odd as the Jonbenet Ramsey case. I'm watching it play out.
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I missed 20/20 last night but yes! Very odd!
I am following the Papini case. I joined a bit late. Political news had all my attention. I missed the beginning of her story. 20/20 last night was confusing and interesting.
The sheriff seemed to choose his words quite cautiously.
Later, I read that the references to branding might mean a tattoo.
Somebody mentioned that Colin's name was not on the computer list. I think it must have been either he was away already OR more likely because he was being home-schooled at that time and he probably worked on his teacher's computer. Perhaps he had no homework like the other kids. He probably completed it all before he/she left for the day.
As much as I despise Kate, I don't think she would forbide him to use the home computer IF he NEEDED to do his homework on it. Otherwise his teacher would ask why is he not doing his homework and then he would tell his teacher my Mother does not let me use the home computer. Kate is not stupid enough to risk that. Also all his seven siblings would speak up about Colin not being able night after night to use the home computer. Shit would fly big time. No, I think they was a very legitimate reason Colin name was not on the schedule and it had nothing to do with Kate.
I believe the court can forbid Kate from filming because Jon objects to it and therefore the court has to decide. If Jon didn't object I'm not sure the court has any power to stop her. Although I've seen judges reluctant to step in on similar issues (for example, whether a child would be allowed to play a certain sport when a parent objects) reluctant to overstep their bounds and unsure where the thin line is between a parent's right to parent and the court's right to intervene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h22BCV7bPcQ
Here's the Sherry Papini episode. I haven't watched yet but you bet I'm going.
I think TFW planned it so the boys would win so Collin would find out about it and hurt him even more.
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I sure hope Collin doesn't read this later. Can you imagine if that never crossed his mind and now the seed is planted? Please be careful with opinions. They can hurt just as much as the truth. If not more because he would have no way to question how that information came to light and the motive to which it was said.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 137
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h22BCV7bPcQ
Here's the Sherry Papini episode. I haven't watched yet but you bet I'm going.
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Thanks!!
Kate is not stupid enough to risk that.
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Yeah, .she is. She would just tell the teacher that Collin is telling a big fib and not to believe him.
I think TFW planned it so the boys would win so Collin would find out about it and hurt him even more.
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As much as I dislike Kate, that seems to be really stretching it.
I'm watching Sherry Papini. The husband seems nice actually.
I think TFW planned it so the boys would win so Collin would find out about it and hurt him even more.
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I also disagree with this statement and it is a stretch.
#140 You think if Kate denied Colin use of the one laptop night after night, week after week, etc, that the teacher would continue to believe that Colin was lying that Kate would not let him use the computer. Also I don't think
all seven of his siblings would stand by either without serious questioning Kate, telling their teacher, it or letting it continue.
Also, Kate has proven she values great education for her kids. That is why she is shelling out big bucks for their school. Otherwise she would put them in public school. So she is not going to deny Colin use of the family laptop to do his homework.
Sorry (Ha) that post by Sorry was Me.
I just watched the episode of Sherry Papini on OnDemand. I liked the husband too and did not think he was involved at all. Why the GoFund Me account? What money did the family lose during this time. I am sure the searches did not cost the family anything.
I'm watching Sherry Papini. The husband seems nice actually.
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He kept saying "my daughter Vxxxxx" - I wish he had kept the kids' names private.
I think TFW planned it so the boys would win so Collin would find out about it and hurt him even more.
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That's just too far out there for me to believe. We do a lot of speculating here but that is really stretching it.
Layla said, "If Collin's doctors told Kate that C had to be removed from the house, then those doctors believed that C's home environment was detrimental to his well-being."
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I really don't see it that way. I think Colin must have done something that was not within the range of his "normal" behavior. Because we have witnessed numerous times over numerous years him hitting others and because he was expelled from school for hitting adults and others, I assume it must have involved that. Except this time the hitting or whatever was taken to the extreme. When his Drs. heard about this, I think they thought it was very serious and Colin had taken a turn for the worse.
I think as Kate said she could no longer help him and the Drs. agreed. And probably the Drs. did think that her home was not the best environment for him. It is chaotic with seven siblings, three dogs, a bird, and a screaming, self-absorbed mother. But I don't think the primary reason for him being sent away was because his mother's home was detrimental to his well-being.
And I think Kate did agree with the Drs. to sent him away. She probably participate willingly with his Drs in this process. Whatever he did no doubt alarmed Kate and scared her. She knew it was very serious. And also I agree Kate on some level she was relived he is gone and out of her hair.
Of course nobody knows the real reason of what took place but the above is my guess. I just really wonder if and when he is coming home. And also how often he gets to see his family.
Sorry said
Also, Kate has proven she values great education for her kids. That is why she is shelling out big bucks for their school. Otherwise she would put them in public school. So she is not going to deny Colin use of the family laptop to do his homework.
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Are you saying one can't get a great education at public school? You're wrong.
Can someone explain to me about the custody situation? I thought Jon already had joint physical custody (alternating weekends/days during the week)--that's putting aside whether Kate actually is in compliance with the order for all of the kids. So what is he going to court for now, joint legal? Or to force Kate to comply with the existing order?
Sorry said... 144
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Also, Kate has proven she values great education for her kids.
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I think there's are additional motives for the private school. Not to take anything away from the school, but first, the history here is that Kate was either able to get her twins in there for free (or was it that her friends the Carsons paid?) and/or heavily discounted for the first year or two (I don't recall exactly, the details are in Hoffman's book). Second, the generous vacation time in this school means there can be more filming. And third, it's a more tightly controlled environment than public school would have been. When the school's website inadvertently posted some photos of a holiday concert that included her kids a few years back, she was able to get it taken down pretty quick. Less red tape than there would have been in a public school.
So I think there are other things influencing her choice of school besides whatever value she places on a good education. Let's not forget, she has had no problem taking her kids out of school when she needs them for filming (for example, the Australia/NZ trip).
About the laptop...aren't the kids allowed any recreational time online? With safeguards in place, it seems perfectly fine for a 12-year-old to have half an hour on the computer just for fun. Especially kids wIth a busy life of school, homework, chores -- oh, and a TV career they never asked for.
I know a lot of kids who play on Scratch -- a website developed by MIT. They learn to program their own games, stories and cartoons, and share them with other kids. That kind of thing might be wonderful for C to try -- fun and educational, and it builds self esteem.
Also, Kate has proven she values great education for her kids.
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I have no idea why Kate has those kids in that school. For all we know, it could be for the prestige, not for the education. What's more, you can't be suggesting someone who has their kids in public school, either because they cannot afford private or they have done their research and determined public school is a perfectly good option for their child, does not value education.
I could also make the argument that a child who clearly needed special ed services and an IEP from day one has NO business in a private school, and then any parent who keeps them there, and away from a good IEP in place at a public school, is selfish.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 151
I could also make the argument that a child who clearly needed special ed services and an IEP from day one has NO business in a private school, and then any parent who keeps them there, and away from a good IEP in place at a public school, is selfish.
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This, too. I think the school probably bent over backward to try to help the children with issues, but I don't think they are equipped for this. And they should have told her long ago that he/they would be better off elsewhere.
The Papinis either were going to or already did employ private investigators, beyond the government police officers. That's what the GoFundMe account was for.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 150
About the laptop...aren't the kids allowed any recreational time online? With safeguards in place, it seems perfectly fine for a 12-year-old to have half an hour on the computer just for fun.
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I wonder if Kate has paid a consultant to ensure that her kids cannot go online anywhere except she wants them to go. I do not believe she is trying to do this herself, I frankly don't think she's capable of it. She'd never be able to block all the holes.
Jen said... 151
As I understand it (and I could be wrong), the details of visitation were worked out in arbitration and then blessed by the judge in the final divorce decree. There was a schedule of alternating weekends and holidays. And it seems that that was honored, for a time. I think this all started to break down in 2013, when McGibney was able to convince Kate that Jon had conspired to damage her by colluding with Hoffman (which, BTW, I have never believed). By 08/2013, when she sued him, I think that's when his regular visitation schedule started to go awry. I remember Xmas one year (2014 maybe?) where Kate proudly announced on Twitter that ALL the kids wanted to spend the holiday with her that year. Which means, most likely, that it was Jon's year to have them.
We don't have many more details than that about the schedule and how/when/why it's changed over the years.
This, too. I think the school probably bent over backward to try to help the children with issues, but I don't think they are equipped for this. And they should have told her long ago that he/they would be better off elsewhere.
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Yes and maybe they did. They may have and should have told her he needs an IEP and special ed services and that they can only do so much. They're not required to or equipped to provide all the services a child may need. Keeping him there is selfish.
Agree Keith Papini should have kept the kids names, and faces actually, private. No reason to expose them. If there really is some terrible drug lord or trafficking ring going on up there in little ole Shasta county, everyone there needs to be especially vigilant about their children.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 120
KIAT (#96), great detective work with those tweets from Gladys! She is ready to grab at any anti-Jon gossip with both hands. But anything against her true love is a LIE!
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How is that ANY different than what the people here do, with the parties reversed?
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I don't think this is fair. Folks here have shown an incredible amount of skepticism for several gossip stories here, many of us dismissing some of them outright as ridiculous. I've never seen Milo even consider that something negative said about Jon might not be true.
I do think the Papinis are enjoying the attention a bit, but that doesn't mean any of this was faked.
I can't rule it out, it's very odd, still.
Admin (#60), for myself, I will readily admit that I am more likely to believe a bad story about TFW. Because she is still exploiting her children for money, and Jon is not. So she has lost the benefit of the doubt from me.
Sorry said... 144
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Also, Kate has proven she values great education for her kids.
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UM OK. My kid graduated with kids who are now at Harvard, Penn, MIT...but whatever.
UM OK. My kid graduated with kids who are now at Harvard, Penn, MIT...but whatever.
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College admissions don't care so much what school you are at as much as they care you have stellar grades, a difficult class schedule, and extracirculars. I also went to just the local public school. Not a bad school, but nothing special. And my classmates got into all sorts of prestigious schools, as I recall Cornell and MIT.
It's one of those Freakeconomics things. Is it really the school? Or is it because kids at private schools tend to be well rounded anyway and have parents who make sure that they are so they can get into good schools? You can find those same exact kids at public schools, it's just the less motivated kids and families are mixed in with them too, lowering the stats.
In other words, a kid who gets into Harvard because they went to Lancaster, could very well have gotten into Harvard anyway if they went to the local public school, or ANY public school. It's the kid, not the school.
According to Malcolm Gladwell, who is awesome, private schools are incredibly overrated. Parents spend a lot of money on something they may not need to spend after all. Gladwell takes it a step further and says you actually don't need to go to Harvard either to have an incredibly successful life experience.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 161
I do think the Papinis are enjoying the attention a bit, but that doesn't mean any of this was faked.
I can't rule it out, it's very odd, still.
December 4, 2016 at 6:15 AM
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The husband is hinky and creepy.
Their wedding photos seem inspired by Tim Burton.
For all of Sherri' horrific injuries, she was released from the hospital after a few hours?
I kind of get the feeling the police spokesman(persons) are shining them on as to keep them thinking their story is kosher.
I could be wrong, but something is off. I don't buy whole story and find it very strange that this husband, whose wife and mother of his 2 small children was missing for 3 weeks, finds it appropriate to flit hither, tither and yon, doing press--trying to be way too convincing.
I read the article in InTouch in the grocery store; if this information has already been posted and discussed, I apologize but I don't think it has been.
There is a bit more information than what was posted online:
-- a source says there is info that TFW used plastic zip ties to bind C's hands for some reason
-- he was originally in a facility 7 hours away but she moved him to a place 2 hours away for insurance reasons and not to be closer to the family
-- neither she nor the kids have visited him since he has been gone ( the kids have told Jon this)
-- TFW claims C has these problems because Jon abused him
-- there is still one open investigation against TFW despite what she has said recently
I kind of get the feeling the police spokesman(persons) are shining them on as to keep them thinking their story is kosher.
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YESSS. The police aren't about to go on a wild goose chase for the wives of the Mexican cartel in Shasta county if this was just some kind of mental breakdown. I noticed some of their statements are phrased very open-ended, leaving the door open sort of like, well there is no evidence to suggest this was a hoax. Instead of, we are confident this was not a hoax.
They'll do a full investigation and that will take time, and I haven't heard but I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI gets involved. I still don't think the husband had anything to do with it. If it was a hoax, she did so on her own.
@Admin (160) I've admitted that there are some negative stories about Kate that im skeptical of.As for the Jon stories,i don't know but like some here,i've never said Jon was a saint because there are some things that he does that i don't agree with.I to have never seen milo ever thought about whether negative stories about jon weren't true or maybe think that negative stories about Kate had some truth to them.Heck,even Msgoody has shown that there are some negative Jon stories she's doubted.
Yes and maybe they did. They may have and should have told her he needs an IEP and special ed services and that they can only do so much. They're not required to or equipped to provide all the services a child may need. Keeping him there is selfish.
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Uh, she didn't keep him there. While it is true that private school children do not get the full range of special ed services that children in public school do, private school children are entitled to some services through their public school district. He may have been receiving services and when the level of service was not sufficient, he was removed from the school. We don't know, nor should we know, because it is none of our business. You do not have enough information to judge the appropriateness of his school setting.
My DIL reports that TLC has been showing ads for LPBW (Amy has a pool party) followed by Outdaughtered (Danielle and the babies are sick) but nothing for K+8, which follows those shows. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy to hear that.
While standing in the checkout line yesterday, I noticed a blurb on the cover of one of the magazines about Jon and Kate going to court over custody. Kate just said in an interview that she pays no attention to Jon saying he will take her to court. I wonder how that's working for her now.
JM (166),
Wow... If any of that information is true, then I feel sorry for Collin and it really makes me wonder if he will ever return home at this point. What exactly would cause Kate to zip tie his hands together?
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JM said... 166
I read the article in InTouch in the grocery store; if this information has already been posted and discussed, I apologize but I don't think it has been.
There is a bit more information than what was posted online:
-- a source says there is info that TFW used plastic zip ties to bind C's hands for some reason
-- he was originally in a facility 7 hours away but she moved him to a place 2 hours away for insurance reasons and not to be closer to the family
-- neither she nor the kids have visited him since he has been gone ( the kids have told Jon this)
-- TFW claims C has these problems because Jon abused him
-- there is still one open investigation against TFW despite what she has said recently
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WHAT?? Is this the current issue of In Touch? Zip ties!!
OMG all that is awful if true. AWFUL.
I don't think H would run to J because of the way TFW treats C if it were JON who was abusive.
Zip ties!?!? I'm speechless.
Oh. My. Lord. Jesus. NO!
Dear Lord in Heaven, please don't let this be true!
She wrote in her journal that she beat Joel or Collin into their crib after she threw him in it and beat him into his crib. She wrote that if she was going to severely injure anyone it would of been that day. If true, she is a raging sociopath.
To blame Jon for abusing him? All you have to do is watch them when they were babies. It is documented on film.
Jon fixing them breakfast, bathing them after, getting them dressed and getting Mady and Cara ready for school and on the bus, while she slumbered and finally was able to make TFW's coffee and brought it to her then he he was allowed to get himself ready to go to work over an hour away.
Then she wrote about Collin, I would call your daddy crying about you everyday at work. If Jon was abusing Collin as TFW claims, why would she call him screaming and crying for Jon to leave work now! to come home to deal with Collin.
I am in tears. Again. That poor child! And the others who have to deal with her!
Yes it's the current issue .....only some of the article was posted online.
If Jon was abusing Collin as TFW claims, why would she call him screaming and crying for Jon to leave work now! to come home to deal with Collin.
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When and where was it reported that Jon was abusing Collin? I know that recently she accused him of an inappropriate relationship with Hannah, but how was he abusing Collin? Was this recently or when he was a toddler?
Layla said... 170
My DIL reports that TLC has been showing ads for LPBW (Amy has a pool party) followed by Outdaughtered (Danielle and the babies are sick) but nothing for K+8, which follows those shows. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy to hear that.
While standing in the checkout line yesterday, I noticed a blurb on the cover of one of the magazines about Jon and Kate going to court over custody. Kate just said in an interview that she pays no attention to Jon saying he will take her to court. I wonder how that's working for her now.
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Kate just said in an interview that she pays no attention to Jon saying he will take her to court. I wonder how that's working for her now.
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I think he's finally got her attention with the help of his current attorney because isn't this about the time she starts posting about the chaos!! involved in shopping and wrapping presents for 8, uh 7, children and the decorating of the house? Seems all she now are the puppies.
If Jon/his attorney has asked for an expedited hearing, couldn't they be back in court right before Christmas?
Uh, she didn't keep him there.
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Uh she certainly did, for a very long while anyway. I distinctly remember when he first stopped wearing the uniform and it was ages after he started at that school.
I could be wrong, but something is off. I don't buy whole story and find it very strange that this husband, whose wife and mother of his 2 small children was missing for 3 weeks, finds it appropriate to flit hither, tither and yon, doing press--trying to be way too convincing.
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Yep, Tucker's, I agree. There's something off about the whole thing. Unless important parts of the puzzle are missing, this whole thing smells fishy, and I'm not one for conspiracy theories.
Dr Casey Jordan on Fb has some interesting observations about the Papini case.
When and where was it reported that Jon was abusing Collin? I know that recently she accused him of an inappropriate relationship with Hannah, but how was he abusing Collin? Was this recently or when he was a toddler?
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JM at post #166 above posted it.
The allegations are supposedly in In Touch Magazine from "a source."
They're so horrific I tend to NOT believe them at this point.
Malcolm Gladwell is not an educator so I'm not sure why anyone should value his opinion so highly. (And not everyone worships at the altar of Malcolm Gladwell.)
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His degree is in history which is a very common degree for educators. He has devoted an incredible amount of time and brain power to studying the educational system. His opinions are backed up by boatloads of data. One need not be an educator to understand and explain some of the misconceptions out there about the educational system. Naturally teachers hate him, probably because he points out that the data bears out over and over again the biggiest influence on most children is their parents, not the school or even the teachers. That hurts some people's egos I guess. There were always be anecdotal stories of teachers who made a difference and he's not discounting that, merely pointing out that big picture your home life matters the most in your success. All the more reason to be concerned about Kate.
Tying up Colin's hands? pfft- I most certainly believe she did that to him. Every single abuse "rumor" has been proven to be true. From her journals to the moldy sandwhiches. All true. Didn't Hoffman say he knows she locked him out of the house because he kept leaving the door open? With all these viral videos of nannies, teachers, mothers, etc showing abuse, why is this so hard to believe that tfw is not one of the same? From day one something hasn't sat right with a lot of us. Child abuse happens in all facets of life, high income to low income. Private schools to public schools. North America, South America. Colin finally had enough courage, confidence and OPPORTUNITY to tell someone of the abuse. Someone who maybe NOW will intervene. I believe she did this 100%
look at Colin and Alexis' faces
http://www.realitytvkids.com/2016/11/discussion-thread-sextuplets-turn-12.html?commentPage=3
JM said... 166
All I can say is, Oh. My. God.
Her goose is finally cooked.
I guess with this latest negative story we can expect to see TFW posting pictures of the 7 in Christmas decorating heaven (because the 8 aren't doing great). Nothing to see here folks because we have PUPPIES and she will see them next Tuesday for a live Twitter party!
The very idea that she could accuse JON of abusing him is just so out-of-this-world ridiculous. And if these allegations ARE proven to be true, she DOES belong in jail.
So funny, the narcissist projection-textbook. She's accused of abuse, nope-it's JON who abused Colin.
I hope that with all this time away from his mother, Colin is letting it all out. I hope his stress levels have diminished. I hope his therapy is giving him an outlet, a healthy and safe one. I hope he's not having to stuff his feelings down his throat anymore.
She is desperate. She has to keep defending her life, her behavior, her web of lies...she's vicious. She'll keep the lies going and and keep lying to cover up the last one, and so on and so on...even if it's absurd, as in this latest doozie...that JON is the abuser.
Yes, he's the one who grabbed a toddler by the hair and whipped him into his crib. He's the one who punished a 2 year old with swats because he didn't go potty after 2 days of training. He's the one who you effing CALLED to CONFESS YOUR ABUSE AND TO COME HOME TO PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN FROM YOURSELF!!
She claims Jon abused C, but the one investigated for abuse (apparently because of C opening up to staff at his facility) is Kate. If Jon were the one abusing C, then he would be the one under investigation. But he's not.
Jon left home in 2009. He probably hasn't had access to C alone since then. He always had the kids in groups. So when would he have abused him? Wouldn't the other kids have seen it? And if Jon abused C, then why did Hannah go to Jon out of concern for C being abused by Kate?
Kate is used to everyone taking her at her word. There is never any follow-up, no scrutiny. She's not going to be able to get away with that game this time. At least, I hope she won't. TLC isn't going to clean up this mess for her, or fight her battle for her. Welcome to the real world, Kate.
Holy cow! I wrote a very specific point that I don't think Kate is denying Collin use of the family laptop when all the other kids get to use it. And I used as an example that Kate is shelling out big bucks for their education by sending them to a private school. Therefore I don't think she would bother to send Collin to this expensive school and then purposely single him out of the eight and say to him you cannot use the computer ever for your homework. The school or his private tutor would not tolerate this. It makes no sense.
I said NOTHING in the above that was insulting. Many are claiming that I think public school is better than private. I wrote no such thing. Again, I only wrote a VERY SPECIFIC FACT that Kate for WHATEVER reason (does not matter) Kate would not spend all that money on her kids' education and then deny Collin the excess to get his homework done.
Nobody was commented on whether they agree or disagree that Kate is denying Colin use of the computer because his name on not on the list. I was simply responding to somebody's comment that they think Kate is singly out Collin by refusing him access of the family computer because his name was not on the schedule. I think that is not true that all. She could never get away with that. Collin's teacher would question him why is homework is never done and Collin would tell the teacher my mother would not let me use the family computer. The shit would hit the fan.
Again, my comments had NOTHING to do with me claiming private schools or better than public schools.
Deliverance said...
They're so horrific I tend to NOT believe them at this point.
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Really? After reading Hoffman's book with Kate's emails, and his personal observations, AND Kate's own words in her COPYRIGHTED journal I don't know why you would think this couldn't be true. Kate is abusive. And remember she didn't sue Hoffman for defamation or libel. She sued him for copyright. So everything in his book was true.
Zip ties on Collin? Sounds horrific, but doesn't sound to me like anything Kate would not do to him. I'm sure she had a "very good reason" in her mind. She will say something Collin did justifies it. Nothing Collin did would justify that.
I will say that Kate feeling Collin needed to be zip tied goes right along with Kate's belief of his "needing" to be sent away and in a facility away from his family. If Kate felt the need to zip tie him I'm sure she felt the need to send him away.
Whether or not Kate sent him away or he was taken away, I don't know, but I believe he is now being KEPT away from her because she is abusive. It will not be up to her whether or not he goes home.
Leslie said... 191
I'm not sure I'm getting you? My own comment responding to yours was calling into question your statement that Kate seems to place a high value on education. And I pointed to several other reasons she might have wanted this private school for her kids besides her highly valuing it for its own sake. As for the rest, there are great public schools and great private schools in the U.S., and I for one am not arguing that point.
Leslie said... 191
Kate is used to everyone taking her at her word. There is never any follow-up, no scrutiny.
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If she doesn't immediately file a lawsuit against In Touch, I think the answer will be clear. And I don't think she'd even want to do another "set the record straight" tour, assuming anyone even wanted her on their soundstage again. This may finally be it.
Layla, I agree with you OR as I posted yesterday, either Collin was gone when the list was shown, because things did seem out of sequence, or he had a private tutor and thus did work during the daytime on the computer when the other kids were at school. Thus Collin did not need to have a listed computer slot.. I don't see any reason for people to take exception to your comment.
CC said... 192
It's possible Kate zip locked Collin's wrists together. It's possible she water boarded him. It's possible she kept him in a dark room with only bread and water.
However, I don't believe everything that's printed in the gossip rags. They always quote "a source." We know those sources aren't always right or always telling the truth.
I believe what's in Kate's journals.
I don't generally believe "a source" until there is additional proof or backup information.
If the zip tie story is true, TFW would justify it by saying he was going to harm himself or someone else with his anger, so this would keep him safe. She's got an answer for everything.
I watched the 20/20 episode about Sherry Papini and I've read a few articles about the case.
According to her husband, the women who abducted her had their faces covered. He goes on to say that if it were "two big dudes" who asked for help, she wouldn't have approached them and it would make more sense to him that she would have approached women who asked for help.
Two questions==if they're faces were covered, how did she know they were women? And why would you approach someone whose faces were covered?
A lot of this story doesn't make sense.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 197
Why would she ever have had zip-ties in her home in the first place? Bedroom games with Skeve? Sorry for the "ewww" moment there, but think about it. Zip ties? Ones large enough to be handcuffs? That's not what you'd call a common household item.
Yeah, I don't believe it all, necessarily, but In Touch has been very careful about how they go about releasing info (e.g., the whole Josh Duggar molestation thing), and I doubt if they would put something like this out there without documentary proof. I could be wrong, but it doesn't seem likely. If they were sold a bill of goods by someone, well then, sue them, Kate. You've sued everybody else.
If the zip tie thing is true, then how messed up is Collin to the point where she would do that? And even if he were self harming, why would she do that to him? Something is not right.
As for the computer thing, it's more than likely Collin has access to the computer at home during the day since he was being homeschooled at the time. He did not leave the home until the end of this past school year from what I'm assuming.
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