Beach Time!
Kate and the kids explore the Alabama beach shores during summer vacation! Kayaking, parasailing and a family Segway tour are in the mix and of course, there is always chaos! Then the Gosselins' head back home to train their adorable puppies. 60 Min. |
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Does this sound like something Kate would say?
"Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don't know what to do. Love!"
December 31, 2016 at 11:11 AM
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She used to say that when the haters made her richer and more famous. Now, people nothing her.
The luggage the kids were carrying in to the house had airline tags on them. They picked their luggage up off the ground and were carrying them in front of them instead of using the wheels to wheel them in to the house. I think they stopped and bought food at a grocery store nearby, but then where would the drama be. I don't think for one minute that Kate was going to cook all that food. Must have been the not a cook or not a nanny that would do these things.
Kate does stunt cooking when filming. I think the food and everything arrives at their rental via assistants.
Like when she bbq's bulgogi. She didn't buy it or make it, but she stood over the grill and bitched up a storm.
And scoffed at poor Collin when he asked if he could help.
Ugh, just thinking about him being sent away, not even home for Christmas, makes my blood boil.
I wonder what's got "Marie" so livened up. Maybe she just got in from parasailing?
MARIE @MY_BORDERCOLLIE 22m22 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 HAPPY NEW YEAR KATE AND YOUR EIGHT BEAUTIFUL, SWEET AND LOVING CHILDREN! 👼👼👼👼👼👼👼👼👼
MARIE @MY_BORDERCOLLIE 10m10 minutes ago
@MiloandJack @Kateplusmy8 This is exactly why Kate is a "real parent" because her children always come first and foremost. Way to go Kate! 😘
She must be watching a different show.
May 2017 be peaceful, full of good health, happiness and luck to all of you and your loved ones.
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Question? said... 197
Does this sound like something Kate would say?
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Yes I could hear her saying it but I saw this quote in an article about Trump. He tweeted it .
http://www.news8000.com/news/politics/national-politics/trump-wishes-happy-new-year-to-my-many-enemies/239454894?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_WKBT_News8000
They were not luxury vacations.
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Huh? Just because everything was either comped by the vendor or paid for by TLC doesn't cancel out the luxury. It just means Kate is really good at grifting luxury vacations.
The kids seemed to be having the most fun playing on the "blow up little trampolini water I don't know what it's really called thing". Probably because their mother didn't follow them out there & suck all the joy out of it.
Happy and healthy New Year to all!!!
Drink 'em if you got 'em!
If you don't drink- the fact that 2016 has finally coming to an end
and we all made it out alive, is a great reason to through back a few!
Whew! 2016.... What a messed up year.
Happy New Year! Will there be a recap of TFW''s top ten worst moments again?
Jbranck1980
Happy New Year! Will there be a recap of TFW''s top ten worst moments again?
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Oh lord where to start?? I may have to take suggestions.
Happy New Year to everyone. I hope we all have a great 2017.
Blowing, the word is that Collin was not allowed to sleep with his brothers and for some reason, I cannot remember how I have this impression and maybe it's been exaggerated, it was a separate windowless room in the basement and he was locked in it at night? Can someone verify?
Oh lord where to start?? I may have to take suggestions.
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lol!! I suggest that you take a few glasses of wine first, and then peruse your list!
I wonder what's got "Marie" so livened up. Maybe she just got in from parasailing?
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She unlocked the basement door and let Brad into her heart and bedroom.
Rainbirdie (#9), the kids probably also enjoyed something that wasn't turned into a bloodsport by their mother. I'm sure the Family Game Night will prove to be another competitive nightmare. I mean, chaotic fun!
Hahaha! No pressureason Admin! Her neglected website is always on the list! Collins situaton is an obvious one. Any tweets or IG photo mishaps this year?
Jbranck1980
Happy New Year everyone. Hope 2017 turns out to be what you hope for.
Re braces: I had braces in the 70's. Wisdom teeth didn't come out until 2 1/2 years after the braces came off. My daughters went into braces at the same time in 1997. Oldest was 15, youngest was 13. The both had platial expanders when they were in around 3rd/4th grade. Oldest daughter was in braces for 2 years, youngest 3 years. We were fortunate that our insurance covered $2500 per child. Oldest was $2900 and youngest was $3100 so we were only out $1000. Neither one had their wisdom teeth removed prior. Oldest daughter is now 34 and still has her wisdom teeth. Never been a problem. Youngest daughter had hers removed at 20 as one of them became an issue so we had them all removed. I think it depends on the orthodontist.
The last day of 2016 and we lost a good one!
WILLIAM CHRISTOPHER, FATHER MULCAHY ON 'MASH,' DIES AT 84.
He was in 2 episodes of Andy Griffith. He played a doctor and a IRS agent.
Can you believe that in 11 days, David Bowie has been gone for a year?
@Sad But True Wasn't Marie another crazy fan who said she was good friends with Kate's sister?I know she said she met brad pitt and lived in her basement.Out of all Kate's fans,she's probably one the strangest ones i've seen IMO.Apart from milo who is more of a needy butt kisser.
#1 has to be splashing Collin's news on the front of people magazine, all with a shit-eating grin.
Followed by not telling his own father where his son was.
I'm not sure that sending Collin away in the first place shouldn't be on that list.
Jamezvader1194 (#21), and I think it was more than a year ago she tweeted that her days were numbered. If, heaven forbid, that was really the case, what a bizarre way to inform people that you're terminally ill.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 17
Rainbirdie (#9), the kids probably also enjoyed something that wasn't turned into a bloodsport by their mother. I'm sure the Family Game Night will prove to be another competitive nightmare. I mean, chaotic fun!
December 31, 2016 at 5:43 PM
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I saw a snippet and Kate looked like a maniac.
Can you believe that in 11 days, David Bowie has been gone for a year?
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I wasn't aware that he wasn't among the living. There are times when I have to stop and think...wait, is that person dead or alive.
I didn't watch the crapfest, but perhaps the kids enjoyed the trampoline because it was a spontaneous event that wasn't planned down to the micro-second by TLC? Maybe this is how the kids are when they aren't 'working'?
As far as Kate sending Collin away, it's never been proven SHE sent him away. Perhaps he was removed from the home by children's services. That would certainly explain why he wasn't home for the holiday nor did it appear she went to visit him.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 13m13 minutes ago
@Kateplusmy8 Making sure all our animals R inside..safe & in quiet areas away from noise of fireworks going on! Neighbors partying by lake!
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Funny how well Milo knows Kate.
No Insta pictures of the G8 -- um, I mean 7 -- having a fun-filled New Year's Eve at home with Mommy and their menagerie? Is she there alone with King Shoka, with whom she is now in love, even though she tossed him out of the house years ago? I hope the kids got to spend some time with their dad. And if the twins aren't with him, maybe they've got some fun plans with friends, that don't involve TLC cameras recording their every spoken syllable.
Followed by not telling his own father where his son was.
I'm not sure that sending Collin away in the first place shouldn't be on that list.
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Kind of playing devil's advocate here, but not really defending her. IF (a big IF), the boy was in the downstairs room and not allowed to sleep with his brothers, do you think there was a reason? We don't know why he was sent away, what his issues are, how critical they are (behavioral, violent tendencies), and I really don't want to know.
That said, what if his being away really is for the safety of others, including his siblings and own mother? According to reports, he had anger issues in Kindergarten. I know it's a horrible thought, but if she really did have no other choice but to get him treatment away from home, then that's what she did.
At that point, putting her idiotic grin on a magazine cover was unthinkable. Just pull the plug on filming, and don't have the best birthday part ever...without your son. She will stop to nothing to keep her mug out there, and that's despicable.
GollyGee said... 20
The last day of 2016 and we lost a good one!
WILLIAM CHRISTOPHER, FATHER MULCAHY ON 'MASH,' DIES AT 84.
He was in 2 episodes of Andy Griffith. He played a doctor and a IRS agent.
Can you believe that in 11 days, David Bowie has been gone for a year?
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Please... I'm still aching over David Bowie's passing.
Blackstar is one of my favorite songs/video.
Rest in peace William Christopher- I always loved his kind face.
Has anyone seen TCM's tribute video for 2016 yet?
I know it's a horrible thought, but if she really did have no other choice but to get him treatment away from home, then that's what she did.
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I somehow think Kate is in control because she managed to keep Jon in the dark. If Collin became violent and is in juvie, I can't imagine Jon not being told his son was in the criminal justice system.
Same goes for if Collin was being abused and taken away. Certainly the first choice would be to have Jon take him vs. a foster situation.
All I know is that it is beyond disturbing that that boy has for all intents and purposes, been disappeared.
I just read the ROL article.
WOW. What a horrible, horrible person she is.
She really is mentally ill.
Earlier, I came across a short clip of Bethany asking TFW about the money. Where did the money go? Wow. She had to really really keep it under control. When she was looking like she was going to explode is when Bethany asked the audience, Hey, does everybody want to know what happened to the money?
Audience is clapping. Then she opened her mouth and it was so awful, couldn't understand what she was even talking about, she was bouncing all over the place. Divorce is tough, blah, blah, blah.
Also, she told a HUMONGOUS LIE to Bethany. She said that she told the kids that she DOES NOT HINDER THEM OR STAND IN THE WAY OF THEM SEEING THEIR FATHER. I DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO FOSTER THAT!
OH MY LANTA!
The ROL papers completely contradict what she said on Bethany.
You could really see the demon in her face when she was in full death glare toward Bethany.
Happy New Year to everyone here and twitter
Rainbows, I'm sorry.
Kate's Fetid Soul, my favorite song and video is
Let's Dance by David Bowie.
William Christopher was so good on Andy Griffith. I went and checked his imdb and I didn't realize he was on 16 episodes of Gomer Pyle, USMC. He only has 38 credits but he has over 200 episodes on M*A*S*H.
Someone started a Gofundme for Betty White and it is for
Keeping Betty White Safe. I got a glimpse and so far over 2K. I figure she will donate it to the Humane Society.
Happy New Year, everyone!
Hope this coming year brings you joy, peace, and love.
At east 4 of he kids are with Jon tonight. He posted a picture on IG. the kids look relaxed and happy.
Hmm apart from the Shoka picture no Happy New Year from Kate on either twitter or Instagram.
Nevermind it seems the usual 4 were with Jon,sadly it seems Collin is not there https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtZnVjjJ0D/?taken-by=jongosselin1
Jon posted a photo of his New Years party, everyone looks like they are having fun.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOtZnVjjJ0D/?taken-by=jongosselin1
nanb
Happy New Year to all!
GollyGee (#32), it's funny the things TFW chooses to be so hands-off about. Toddlers whacking each other for hours without supervision? Let them work it out for themselves. Should the family continue filming their TV show? Let kids in diapers vote. Want to spend court-ordered time with Dad or not? Hey, she's fine either way -- sure don't want to pressure the little darlings.
What do those 3 scenarios have in common? They are complicated matters that require intelligent, sensitive parenting.
In other words, TFW couldn't be bothered.
But when it comes to nonsense, like what order to eat your lunch in, or what kind of backpack to carry, or how to open gifts, she is the gestapo. Control for control's sake. How confusing that must be for her kids.
Looks like Jon got to celebrate New Year's Eve with the usual 4. It's nice to see them with their dad. Jon looks genuinely happy.
Happy New Years to all
Wouldn't it be awesome that Collin was actually with Jon and either Collin didn't want to be in the picture, or Jon didn't or they made the decision together.
They look so relaxed and happy. Yea, she's on a vacation somewhere with Steve.
When TFW kissed whoever at midnight last night, I hope they had bad breath. Severe halitosis. lol
And she didn't know about the severe halitosis until it was toooooo
late! lol
When she's not on media she's either filming or getting a narc feed.
Jon said he hadn't seen Collin, in what, 2 years???
Wasn't Jon attending school events?
Was Jon unable to attend school programs? Meet the teacher, etc?
If Kate wasn't sending all the kids for visitation he would still see all the kids at school functions. Something doesn't add up.
barbgilmer1 Happy New Year @jongosselin1 and all the kiddos, 2017 is going to be AWSOME I just know it!
One of K8's biggest fans, commenting on the photo of Jon + 4 on NYE. Interesting. Wonder if K8 will shun her now.
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Turn out the lights said... 44
As near as we can figure, the end of LCDS for Collin was June 2014. I think he had not seen Jon for quite a few months before that. For the school year 2014-15, we all assumed Collin was being home-schooled, but no one knows that for a fact. As far as we know, he was not seeing Jon during this period. And then the boy was disappeared some time in spring 2016. I hope at the very least Jon has been able to visit him in the last few weeks.
Jon's IG photo shows genuine happiness all around, none of the professional smiles we see in most of the photos of K8 + kids. I'm happy for all of them, but I do wish Alexis had also been there. I'm betting the twins were with friends; does that mean Alexis got to stay home and mind Mommy? If so, how sad.
Turn out the lights,
Collin hasn't been in regular school in ages. He was "homeschooled." Before he was sent away that is.
WHY does he only get the SAME FOUR?????? Mady and Cara I can understand but NO ALEXIS??? And poor Collin? Still not home?
WTHalways putting blankets on those dogs!
Turn out the lights, I don't think Collin was enrolled at the school for a couple of years, therefore no seeing him at school events. She has had him home schooled and managed for years to keep it quiet that Collin was troubled. It became obvious over time he was heavily medicated during filming and likely too risky to have him participate in filming like the others. No telling what the Figure 8 crew witnessed.
Alexis is the next domino to fall. See a pattern? It's not a coincidence that she and Collin are the two who got in trouble years ago and now she is not seeing Jon just like Collin. Kate will do anything to keep filming.
Collin left LCDS in 2015. Hence why Kate made the announcement in 2015 during the 11th birthday special. I can't find it now but there was a tweet and a pic as proof that Collin still went to LCDS in 2014-2015 and he apparently ""yelled" at the teacher" (based on what the tweet said). The tweet was made back in May of 2015 from what I remember.
-LA
Someone please tell me WHY is TFW able to keep Alexis away from Jon, her father?
I thought she didn't hinder nor stand in their way to be with their father, I foster it.
What a bald faced liar!
Anonymous said... 51
Oops, you're right. Yes, he left LCDS end of 2014-15 school year (not June 2014). And from then on, what has happened to him is pretty much a mystery--to everyone except K8, of course.
TLC stinks said... 47
WHY does he only get the SAME FOUR?????? Mady and Cara I can understand but NO ALEXIS??? And poor Collin? Still not home?
January 1, 2017 at 7:56 AM
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I'm optimistic when I see the same 4 visiting their father. None has fallen off the relationship wagon for years now, no matter how much their mother has tried to alienate Jon entirely.
I'm betting the bond between these 4 is tight, because of the schism between their childhoods and that of their siblings who have been lost from their father for years now.
Very, very formative years.
Collin obviously has problems, perhaps emotional and with attachment, but Alexis was his partner in crime/expulsion, and she also doesn't see Jon.
The twins are headed toward probably decades of dysfunction, and that's pretty much baked in the cake at this point.
All children who have fractured relationships with a parent are at risk, and that's why I get so disgusted with Kate's behavior.
Oh, yeah, Mady's being soooooooo mature talking trash about her father.
Just wait.
TLC stinks said... 48
WTHalways putting blankets on those dogs!
January 1, 2017 at 8:01 AM
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Because a) she wants "likes" and "awwww, so cute!!!!!!!!!" and b) she's never bothered to learn spit about dogs.
No telling what the Figure 8 crew witnessed.
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No way the crew didn't realize what was going on.
It must feel very strange to participate in this sh*tshow, especially if any of them have kids themselves.
I'm very happy to know that at least 4 kids were with their dad last night. The tups will be teenagers in 4 months, and hopefully will continue their loving relationship with their father without their mother's interference and manipulation.
Yes, the twins probably had plans with friends, but was poor A stuck at home with her mother? You can't tell me she preferred that to spending the holiday with her father and siblings. In fact, if she said the words out loud, "I'd rather be home with Mom," I wouldn't believe them. I truly believe A is afraid she could be the next to go. Once the poor girl learned how to pronounce "alligator" correctly, it was all downhill.
TLC stinks said... 50
Alexis is the next domino to fall. See a pattern? It's not a coincidence that she and Collin are the two who got in trouble years ago and now she is not seeing Jon just like Collin. Kate will do anything to keep filming.
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I just posted the same thoughts.
Any child who has been successfully alienated from their father is at risk.
How has Alexis's behavior been on the shows? I can't tell who is who (girls) so I'm not sure if it was she who shoved Aaden when I watched the clip.
GollyGee said... 52
Someone please tell me WHY is TFW able to keep Alexis away from Jon, her father?
I thought she didn't hinder nor stand in their way to be with their father, I foster it.
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Maybe because she shares some of Collin's issues and is also medicated and controlled?
I feel that it didn't have to come to this with any of the kids. This cutting Jon out of their lives was fostered by Kate and should have been nipped in the bud.
It's astonishing that she gets away with the narrative that she's SO supportive when the mere fact that she is not proactive and complacent with enforcing visitation is horrible for any responsible parent.
Obviously, no judge or other has found Jon to be a danger to his kids. He's had visitation for years.
@GollyGee Not sure but the one thing that i don't understand is.How is it that Hannah and Leah can clearly see through Kate(as evidence on the show)and decide to go to Jon's.Yet Alexis some how became convince by her mom not to go?Don't her and Aaden have this buddy buddy relationship,i would assume like with hannah and Leah,they'd stick together.
@Sad but true Im probably going to get hated for saying this but,in Barb(and same can be said for) Denise)defense,they do seem like the more nicer Kate fans.Yes they're "airheads" but at least i haven't seen neither of the 2 be someone like msgoody and drop random F bombs to Jon or Robert.
It's easy to tell which girl is Alexis- the one the other two don't want to be with and they physically and emotionally alienate her from their twosome. They have called her an 'animal' and said she is "nuts" and don't want to be her partner. Alexis appears generally smiley, fond of the animals and a bit goofy, but polite in public and cooperative. Maybe a little immature for her age and less girly than the others. I have no ideas why she would not visit Jon. I'm sure it's Kate's doing somehow- probably a punishment. In the first episode of these latest ones, Kate asks in the BBB who is going to dinner with their dad and it's agreed 'the usual four." But then she asked Aaden if he was going too? Possibly Alexis goes on occasion?
To be expelled, Alexis must have a temper or some issues but hopefully they are gone or treated. I did think once she appeared a little 'doped' in an interview scene.
jamezvader1194 said... 61
@Sad but true Im probably going to get hated for saying this but,in Barb(and same can be said for) Denise)defense,they do seem like the more nicer Kate fans.Yes they're "airheads" but at least i haven't seen neither of the 2 be someone like msgoody and drop random F bombs to Jon or Robert.
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Some seem like nice women and nothing like Goody. Still, they're on the wrong side of history here.
There are not that many mature mothers left out there who can get still get behind Kate and her antics.
Tucker's Mom (#54), we posted similar comments at the same time about Jon and those 4 kids. Their steady relationship with him gives me great hope for their mental health. I would bet anything they're not only allowed to, but may even be encouraged to, share their feelings about their missing brother with their father.
I've said this many times, but I'm still convinced that even with the limited visitation time, Jon spends more hours INTERACTING with his kids than TFW does.
Jamezvader1194 (#61), I agree that Barb and some other fans don't have that snotty streak that some of them have. Like the sweet southern gal who professes to be spreading positivity, while tearing apart the father of TFW's children on a regular basis.
If Barb really did tweet that sweet comment to Jon, then my hat's off to her. Perhaps, unlike TFW, she likes the 8 kids more than she hates their father.
Sad but true said... 53
Anonymous said... 51
Oops, you're right. Yes, he left LCDS end of 2014-15 school year (not June 2014). And from then on, what has happened to him is pretty much a mystery--to everyone except K8, of course.
January 1, 2017 at 10:12
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If he left school in May '15, Jon should have seen him at that year's school events.
Is Jon prohibited from attending school functions? I wouldn't think so, but how far does Kate's sole custody extend? Can she remove him being allowed to attend functions? Pick the kids up from school?
If Kate couldn't keep him from school, Jon could have seen Collin at school (I'm sure this school allows parents to eat with their kids at lunch?)
Lots of comments on Jon's Facebook re his New Year's Eve picture with the four kids. A lot of people are happy to see they spent New Year's Eve with their father.
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Jon mentioned that he sees Alexis sometimes. She's not completely "alienated" from Jon.
-LA
Turn out the lights said... 66
Sad but true said... 53
Anonymous said... 51
Oops, you're right. Yes, he left LCDS end of 2014-15 school year (not June 2014). And from then on, what has happened to him is pretty much a mystery--to everyone except K8, of course.
January 1, 2017 at 10:12
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If he left school in May '15, Jon should have seen him at that year's school events.
Is Jon prohibited from attending school functions? I wouldn't think so, but how far does Kate's sole custody extend? Can she remove him being allowed to attend functions? Pick the kids up from school?
If Kate couldn't keep him from school, Jon could have seen Collin at school (I'm sure this school allows parents to eat with their kids at lunch?)
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I also wonder if Jon saw Collin at that Yard Sale that happened 2 years ago and was filmed for the show.
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Jon's FB photo of NYE with the kids has all positive comments. I think the general public is very supportive of him seeing his kids and being in their lives.
How could you not be??
Kate and her schtick are so old. Jon is like a breath of fresh air.
He's just real.
Turn out the lights said... 66
Sad but true said... 53
Anonymous said... 51
Oops, you're right. Yes, he left LCDS end of 2014-15 school year (not June 2014). And from then on, what has happened to him is pretty much a mystery--to everyone except K8, of course.
January 1, 2017 at 10:12
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If he left school in May '15, Jon should have seen him at that year's school events.
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It's entirely possible that Collin attended no "events" in his last year or two at the school. With his supposed behavioral issues, and his being medicated, maybe Mommy Dearest did not permit him to be seen in the general public. We just don't know. It might also be that Jon voluntarily stayed away from anything that K8 attended, and very possibly at the request of his kids. They're the ones who suffer from her residual anger at him.
Maybe it's Jon and Kate following some court order, but there is zero evidence that Collin was home for Christmas/New Years.
Nope, I don't need to know where Collin is or what happened, exactly. I just can't think of any GOOD scenario in which a 12-year old boy would not be allowed to visit home and see his family.
That is seriously terrible!
It's almost getting...sinister.
Tucker's Mom (#72), the poor kid wasn't home for his 12th birthday, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's...and yet his mother is choosing happiness. HOW?
Case in point,here she goes again with a random f bomb to both Jon and Robert. MsGoody2Shoes21_
@MsGoody2Shoes33
Happy new year @kateplusmy8 & to your 8 children. Wishing you a prosperous and healthy 2017.
BTW....
Fuck Jon Gosselin
Fuck Robert Hoffman
Tucker's Mom said... 72
That is seriously terrible!
It's almost getting...sinister.
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I agree, Tucker's. At the very least ALL of Collin's family should have been able to visit him, including grandparents, aunts and uncles, maybe in smaller groups. I can't imagine what happened. Collin was on that first episode, albeit conspicuously absent in some scenes and seeming very medicated.But he seems such a sweet helpful child, and he did appear to be fond of the other kids and participate and laugh in their games and jokes. How could he have been forced to lead a life of isolation and abuse? Why can't his own father see him or know his medical whereabouts and treatment? How can Hannah appear so fond of Mommy unless coerced, when she allegedly told Jon of bad abuse of Collin? And Mady, the mini-Kate, now eating meals leaning over the counter like TFW? The kids do not appear afraid of their mother and the boys said the girls backtalk to her a lot. ...this is indeed a sinister mystery.How can TFW get away with this and isn't the facility required to tell Jon about his son?
Jamezvader1194 (#74), and don't you bet TFW has a big chimpy grin on her face when she reads a tweet like that. The fans do the dirty work, and her hands are clean. Except they're not, because her silence is really a tacit approval of their behavior. Shame on her.
Time for another Twitter time out for Goody.
That didn't last long.
Did Kate actually pack food to take to Alabama?
WTH?
Did they drive there?
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No. They flew from somewhere (maybe they flew into New Orleans, rented the van and then drove to AL?) and rented a van - as similar to their own BBB as possible. Why the same van? Who knows or cares but IMO it was definitely intentional. The license plate on the van was from Oregon so it was either a rental or a production van.
Where they got all of the food that was packed in the 2+ big coolers is another question though. I'm assuming they stopped and bought the coolers/beach stuf/food somewhere along the way. I wonder how many times production has bought the same things for this family to use on their many beach vacations?
US magazine just posted the picture of Jon and the kids. I know a single mom in PA who's gonna need a lot more than a fire and
a dog bed to calm her down.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 73
Tucker's Mom (#72), the poor kid wasn't home for his 12th birthday, Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's...and yet his mother is choosing happiness. HOW?
January 1, 2017 at 12:47 PM
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It's like the longer Collin is away, with not a word said about him, the more I think the worst about what happened and any prospects of him coming home.
I almost want proof of life at this point!
This is just...bizarre.
No telling what the Figure 8 crew witnessed.
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No way the crew didn't realize what was going on.
It must feel very strange to participate in this sh*tshow, especially if any of them have kids themselves.
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There was a story going around a few years ago that one of the crew left the K+8 show and went to the Duggar show. I think the reason that was floating around at the time was something about not him not "approving" was going on between TFW and the kids.
How can TFW get away with this and isn't the facility required to tell Jon about his son?
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This is not how I expected the story to go after all the fanfare of Kate's happy, happy People cover. Sure, Collin needed help and he's getting it.
OK...
But, there has not been a WHIFF of this boy for 6-8 months.
Is it just me, or is it getting to be disturbing? This boy has been on people's televisions for a decade and then poof!
Gone.
Kate announcing she's known all along where he is give me more worry than assurance.
Tucker's Mom (#82), well, shucks, TFW did tell us C is plodding and plugging and chugging along. Which Gladys helpfully translated to, C is making slow but steady steps towards recovery, and that he has
the bestest mother ever. What a relief!
FlimsyFlamsy said... 83
Tucker's Mom (#82), well, shucks, TFW did tell us C is plodding and plugging and chugging along.
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Well, high encouragement, indeed!
Not.
I found Kate's responsive to be vague and forced.
Carole (81),
I remember reading an email from Kate to TLC, reminding them that they (she and Jon, presumably) prefer a crew with no opinions. I'd be surprised if only one crew member left.
Happy 2017, fellow BBBs! (Bitter, black hearted busybodies, of course). We need to have t-shirts made!
Layla (#85), instead of a T-shirt, may I get BBB printed on a muumuu?
In Jon's instagram photo, is that a cell phone in Hannah's hand? Everyone looks genuinely happy.
FlimsyFlamsy,
Of course you can have it printed on a muumuu, but... mine all have such loud prints that the lettering would get lost! I'm all about the neon hues and Hawaiian prints. What can I say, I'm a purist. Go loud or go home!
I wouldn't be surprised if TFW rounds up the kids the instant they return from their dad's, and takes a super-fun Happy New Year picture of them for Instagram. Take that,
Jon!
Seeing the kids so happy and content with their dad brings to mind the scene from "How The Grinch Stole Christmas" when the Grinch observes the Whos happily singing, and is absolutely baffled that Christmas had come even though he'd stolen all their gifts:
"It came without ribbons
It came without tags
It came without packages, boxes or bags!"
It must puzzle TFW's puzzler until it's sore, trying to understand how the children can find pleasure in just spending time with their father, without any of the golder-platter trappings she provides at the McMansion.
Carole said... 78
Did Kate actually pack food to take to Alabama?
WTH?
Did they drive there?
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No. They flew from somewhere (maybe they flew into New Orleans, rented the van and then drove to AL?) and rented a van - as similar to their own BBB as possible. Why the same van? Who knows or cares but IMO it was definitely intentional. The license plate on the van was from Oregon so it was either a rental or a production van.
Where they got all of the food that was packed in the 2+ big coolers is another question though. I'm assuming they stopped and bought the coolers/beach stuf/food somewhere along the way. I wonder how many times production has bought the same things for this family to use on their many beach vacations?
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Apparently they shopped at Whole Foods because those bags are the same ones that the Whole Foods I go to have.
Do I think H8 went with her 7 children and bought food while on the road? No, but I do believe that an intern bought the stuff on HER list and then placed it in the van so it appeared that H8 stopped and bought the food for their trip. OF course this is only my opinion and not fact.
It must puzzle TFW's puzzler until it's sore, trying to understand how the children can find pleasure in just spending time with their father, without any of the golder-platter trappings she provides at the McMansion.
January 1, 2017 at 3:19 PM
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I think she scoffs at Jon and his mediocre life. No mansion. No 6 trips a year. No salt-water pool.
How can anyone live that way?!
SaraMRN2010 (#90), I agree -- if it was part of the show, some production intern was sent off to buy the groceries, and paid with the production company's credit card. No way in heck TFW did that on her own time
or dime -- realest reality notwithstanding.
KL Ranch @KLRanch 3h3 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 please let me know if you have an air fryer if so what brand do you recommend
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Yes, and it slices the French Fries as it air cooks them! You have fries flying in all directions, but hey, the dogs and birds round up the pieces.
There was a story going around a few years ago that one of the crew left the K+8 show and went to the Duggar show. I think the reason that was floating around at the time was something about not him not "approving" was going on between TFW and the kids.
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Yes, I remember that, but unfortunately, it was never confirmed or verified, and unless it is, that's all it is...a story.
Case in point,here she goes again with a random f bomb to both Jon and Robert. MsGoody2Shoes21_
@MsGoody2Shoes33
Happy new year @kateplusmy8 & to your 8 children. Wishing you a prosperous and healthy 2017.
BTW....
Fuck Jon Gosselin
Fuck Robert Hoffman
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She's nuts, so you just have to ignore it, look the other way, knowing that there are serious mental issues going on there. She is what she is.
Fleecing The Sheeple (#93), and don't forget the fancy European plug. That's what keeps it from being mediocre.
Fleecing The Sheeple (#93), and don't forget the fancy European plug. That's what keeps it from being mediocre.
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The French outlet, or whatever it was? Yes, that's a must-have for an airfryer to fry French fries!
What does she use to make French toast?
I think she scoffs at Jon and his mediocre life. No mansion. No 6 trips a year. No salt-water pool.
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No LEATHER sofa and no Mr. Deckster for the safety, happiness and well-being of the kids. How could they possibly be happy with Jon?
SarahMRN2010 (90),
Kate loves to have others buy groceries from Whole Foods for her. Remember her list of demands for Essex House in NYC (it was in Robert's book)? Not only did she demand specific meals and room assignments, but also had a list of groceries they had to get from Whole Foods. They couldn't just go and get organic stuff on her list, it had to come from WF. How ridiculous! I wonder if she made them show a receipt or shopping bags to prove that they came from that store.
No LEATHER sofa and no Mr. Deckster for the safety, happiness and well-being of the kids. How could they possibly be happy with Jon?
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How can they be safe and well?
Gasp!
Layla (#99), that list of demands was hilarious. You'd think she was Elvis Presley come back from the dead with those requirements. This was a woman who'd displayed zero talents, accomplishments or skills, except for engineering multiple births. Or, and grifting.
How can they be safe and well?
Gasp!
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Especially with someone who is deceased!
Maybe Jon has a leather sofa and a gay and/or preacher deck. Problem solved. All is well.
Tucker's -- Alexis is the one with the really wide-set eyes; Hannah is the girl who looks most like Jon, and Leah looks like Leah, not like Kate, not like Jon!
OT, but it reminds me of the Sheep...
I was watching the Paula Zahn crime show, "On The Case." Talk about a doofus!
Question (in a Babykins voice): "What were your feelings when they found you daughter's dismembered body?" Duh!
"Tell me what you thought when the police showed up at your door with the news that your son had been found murdered." Duh!!
"What was your reaction when the case finally went to court?" Duh!!!
And so it goes.
These ASPCA commercials are really getting to me. I can't reach for the remote fast enough. They go on forever. I know when one comes on, I have time to get to the kitchen for some Rumspringa, or go to the bathroom, or take a shower. When I park myself in front of the television once again, those poor animals are still front and center. I just can't watch or listen to it. Kind of like Kate's show.
Fleecing, yes one of the original Figure 8 crew went to Duggars, but it was pure speculation why he left. And the girl who was the producer left for awhile but she had a baby and is back as executive producer. The crew appears to just film and keep their mouths shut to keep their jobs. However, the original crew is long gone so there is turnover. Kate says they are like family which implies the originals are still there. Not true.
Believe me, a production assistant shops for the groceries.
These ASPCA commercials are really getting to me. I can't reach for the remote fast enough
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I hug a dog and change the channel.
Can't do it.
TLC stinks (#105), the groceries are not only bought but paid for by production. It is part of the episode's budget. As I've said before, even if you see her whip out a stack of bills to pay for something, she was either given the money ahead of time, or will get it reimbursed later.
So TFW had a family trip for 8 planned by others, and paid for by others. AND she collected a paycheck. Nice work if you can get it. What about that reflects actual Mom Life?
TLC put this post on the Kateplus8 Facebook page:
"Who got puppies over the holidays, and who plans to get one this year?!"
And her stupid fans believe they got puppies for Xmas. They don't follow what is really going on. This is why there are still 600k watching this crap fest.
However, Kate announcing about Collin in People was read and people are still asking where he is and how horrible he's not home with the family. If she's hoping this fades away and she can continue like the child never existed, she is WRONG.
My fear is that when or most likely, IF he returns home, she and TLC will film the homecoming if the court continues her custody. That can be the ONLY explanation for TLC to renew her for 2017. If Jon allows that, then he is as bad as her.
Meanwhile, she is grooming Alexis to be alienated from Jon and she may disappear one day too if she does not cooperate.
Kate must be feeling extreme pressure these days with custody court battles and the twins home for only two more years.
@TLC stinks I think its because we believe TLC is not going to give a crap about how many people watch Kate,as long as she has at least 1 person watching we think TLC would keep her.I don't know why TLC would though when there are other shows they have that get better ratings and viewers.
TLC stinks (#108), what TFW doesn't understand is that rather than fading away, the issue seems much, much worse. The longer her son is away, the more she seems completely fine with the newly configured family of 8. And the more that acceptance is making her look like a horrible mother.
When TFW initially compared it to a kid going away to college, you knew she was trying to put a good spin on something absolutely traumatic to a family. She has mental health issues, and there's no way to sugar coat that. She needs help.
TLC stinks said...
My fear is that when or most likely, IF he returns home, she and TLC will film the homecoming if the court continues her custody. That can be the ONLY explanation for TLC to renew her for 2017. If Jon allows that, then he is as bad as her.
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If the court allows it Jon can't stop it. I don't think Jon should be blamed for Kate filming the children if he can't legally stop it. Kate and TLC are to blame.
I was just remembering that Old Daddy/New Daddy nonsense TFW was blathering about. Seems 4 of his children were perfectly happy ringing in the new year with New Daddy. There's only so much spin she can put on things when there is truth we can see with our own eyes.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 112
I was just remembering that Old Daddy/New Daddy nonsense TFW was blathering about. Seems 4 of his children were perfectly happy ringing in the new year with New Daddy. There's only so much spin she can put on things when there is truth we can see with our own eyes.
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I think that it's safe to say, every word that spills out of her mouth are
spun around and round to benefit Katie.
She missed her calling- she should have become a politician.
Kate's Fetid Soul (#113), and I love how TFW tried to make it like this was an idea that came from her kids. Yep, they were all gathered 'round the hearth having Super Fun Famiy Time, when the kids brought up that their dad used to be nice, and now he's a loser. Gimme a break. When M used the word "toxic" about her father in that interview, we knew exactly whom she was parroting.
Funny how TFW coaxed the girls to "Use your words!" when they clammed up on the Today show interview. What she really meant was, "Use MY words!"
FlimsyFlamsy said... 114
Kate's Fetid Soul (#113), and I love how TFW tried to make it like this was an idea that came from her kids. Yep, they were all gathered 'round the hearth having Super Fun Famiy Time, when the kids brought up that their dad used to be nice, and now he's a loser. Gimme a break. When M used the word "toxic" about her father in that interview, we knew exactly whom she was parroting.
Funny how TFW coaxed the girls to "Use your words!" when they clammed up on the Today show interview. What she really meant was, "Use MY words!"
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Uh-huh!
Kate's unnecessarily complicated. Really.
She just swirls in a quagmire of fear, drama, confusion, resentment, anger, bitterness, envy, competitiveness, and non-truths.
She SO exhausting-ish...
"Who got puppies over the holidays, and who plans to get one this year?!"
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Does it say Christmas holidays? This could be TLC speak, just like Kate speak. When did they get the puppies? There must have been some holidays in there...Fourth, Labor Day, Thanksgiving!!
Funny how TFW coaxed the girls to "Use your words!" when they clammed up on the Today show interview. What she really meant was, "Use MY words!"
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Seriously, who talks like that?
I have never heard anyone, especially a parent that is doing an interview tell their child, USE YOUR WORDS.
There she goes again, trying to cover her backside. She wants the public to think that Mady and Cara were speaking from their heart about their dad. But, i wonder how many hours they had to listen to that washed up reality star tell them over and over, Dad's bad. He's toxic.
I have a feeling when this comes to a real head, the judge in this case is going to get a huge outcry from letting TFW rule with her iron fist for a decade. Jon should of been able to stop her from taking them to Australia.
He went to court, but the court ok'd it. Thanks to TLC's legal eagles, I'm sure.
Gee, napping in the crate? Thought she had the run of the Queen's bedroom. Huh. Oh, and in case you missed it the first 20 times, #PolarBear #ItsTheMeaningOfHerName. Learn how to use a hashtag, you #DoIt.
kateplusmy8 Nanuq found a napping buddy who she can really identify with!:) (Don't worry, we don't leave the stuffed polar bear with her unattended!) #PolarBear #ItsTheMeaningOfHerName #Precious #NewYearNap
nick_moy Ha ha ha.. so cute.. I assume it for the safety of that vicious polar bear ??
kateplusmy8 Well, I mean look how 'vicious' they both look so it's debatable as to who would 'hurt' who if left unattended, lol 😉😉😉 @nick_moy
Yeah, you don't look vicious either. But we know that looks can be deceiving. 😉
FlimsyFlamsy said... 112
I was just remembering that Old Daddy/New Daddy nonsense TFW was blathering about. Seems 4 of his children were perfectly happy ringing in the new year with New Daddy. There's only so much spin she can put on things when there is truth we can see with our own eyes.
January 2, 2017 at 8:13 AM
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It's maddening to see Kate put words into her kids mouths, and thoughts into their heads, when it's so damn obvious she's pulling the strings.
"New Daddy', if that's even true, did NOT come out of a vacuum. Kate shouted to the world that Jon was abducted by aliens. Like someone flipped a switch and the Jon she knew was gone.
Utter shite!
I think Jon did change in some ways, but Kate was too busy flitting about with her side piece and really didn't give a flip. As long as no one was bleeding to death, Kate didn't want to hear about it when she was gone for weeks.
Kate's unnecessarily complicated. Really.
She just swirls in a quagmire of fear, drama, confusion, resentment, anger, bitterness, envy, competitiveness, and non-truths.
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She has been that way for most of her television life and never could quite figure out who or what she wants to be to the viewing audience. There was the affluent celebrity who wanted and had the best of everything -- the trips, spas, cars, POOL, extensive vacations, expensive million dollar home ("How will we explain the purchase of the property?"), elaborate hotel riders, speaking engagements, television appearances, and everything one would expect a person of importance to have.
Then there was the poor, struggling Kate, the piecing and patching, clipping coupons, not enough money, needy to the point of having to ask her internet buddies what to do with a back-up generator, how to repair appliances, struggling single mom who just can't afford gymnastics for her kids, or purchasing lunch at school.
Who or what exactly is Kate? TLC has tried the mean, loud, cruel, bossy approach, and then the softer Kate, contrite, wanting redemption.
What's next in their approach? Is there a middle road that they haven't yet tried?
I have a feeling when this comes to a real head, the judge in this case is going to get a huge outcry from letting TFW rule with her iron fist for a decade. Jon should of been able to stop her from taking them to Australia.
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If it's a custody hearing, how will TLC be involved and what's the connection between the network ruling Kate with an iron fist, and Kate having alienated the kids from their father to the point of violating visitation and not informing him about Collin's whereabouts? How could TLC be held responsible for Kate's actions in all of this?
Tucker's mom said...120
I think Jon did change in some ways, but Kate was too busy flitting about with her side piece and really didn't give a flip. As long as no one was bleeding to death, Kate didn't want to hear about it when she was gone for weeks.
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It is maddening. Even when the tup girl cut her head and needed to go to the ER to get stitches. She asked another nurse to come and look at it. Seriously? She just didn't want to take those kids to the dr. or ER for anything.
The list is wide and long like a criminal record rap sheet of how many times one of the kids was sick or hurt and she refused to take them to the dr.
I even count Aaden needing a pair of new glasses. She can afford them without TLC. But, noooooo. She just put duct tape on them and emphasized that it was cute duct tape to smooth over justifying waiting months till TLC filmed him going to the eye dr.
Just filler to fill up an episode so she can get the full 40K!
CC, I cannot believe Jon would be unable to stop Collin being filmed if his attorney produces evidence it would be deterimental to Collin's mental well being. Kate has to have known this, thus hiding Collin from from his dad as his behavior worsened. The judge is all about what is best for the child. She hid Collin to keep filming. That is the bottom line.
Funny how TFW coaxed the girls to "Use your words!" when they clammed up on the Today show interview. What she really meant was, "Use MY words!"
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Flimsy, you could see Kate mouth Mady's words once she got with the program and answered on of Savannah's questions.
Savannah- "Do you think people have the wrong impression about you and your family?" (paraphrasing)
Mady (and Kate mouthing)- "Well, I wouldn't say wrong..."
Tucker's Mom (#120), ah, yes, who could forget TFW's classic comment: "No news is good news." That was the extent of her concern about the 8 young children she was leaving behind. The tups were just toddlers when she started flitting off on these long trips. She was making money hand over fist, talking to audiences about her beautiful children. Beautiful children she left behind on the regular so that she could get rich and famous and be pampered on the road.
When some of the fans rave about what an amazing mother TFW is, always putting her kids' needs first, I want to yell, "What show have YOU been watching?"
TLC stinks said... 124
CC, I cannot believe Jon would be unable to stop Collin being filmed if his attorney produces evidence it would be deterimental to Collin's mental well being. Kate has to have known this, thus hiding Collin from from his dad as his behavior worsened. The judge is all about what is best for the child. She hid Collin to keep filming. That is the bottom line.
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My God- there are no words...
I was just thinking about all of TFW's time on the road, while Jon was home with the kids. He was basically a single dad during those periods. I bet he just kept calm and did what needed to be done, and didn't ask for a freaking parade to honor him. And that's the man Gladys referred to as a "wimpy boy."
Kate's Fetid Soul said... 127
TLC stinks said... 124
CC, I cannot believe Jon would be unable to stop Collin being filmed if his attorney produces evidence it would be deterimental to Collin's mental well being. Kate has to have known this, thus hiding Collin from from his dad as his behavior worsened. The judge is all about what is best for the child. She hid Collin to keep filming. That is the bottom line.
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My God- there are no words...
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TLC stinks, SPOT ON! She is a devious, malicious, mentally ill woman. If it is found out that the judge was corrupted by TFW and TLC, I hope they tie him to 4 posts out into the desert sand with zip tie anchors and pour honey on him/her.
It would not surprise me if the judge was a woman her age and childless (no maternal instincts) and a male judge older but smitten and blinded by her song and dance. She was on DWTS, don't cha know.
If TFW had decided to pull the plug on the series, take a break to handle her family crisis, and just do an occasional special,
she would've been a hero. And when those specials did air, she could've gotten big numbers. There's something to be said for letting people miss you. But how can we miss her if she never goes away?
Blowing In The Wind said... 121
She has been that way for most of her television life and never could quite figure out who or what she wants to be to the viewing audience. There was the affluent celebrity who wanted and had the best of everything -- the trips, spas, cars, POOL, extensive vacations, expensive million dollar home ("How will we explain the purchase of the property?"), elaborate hotel riders, speaking engagements, television appearances, and everything one would expect a person of importance to have.
Then there was the poor, struggling Kate, the piecing and patching, clipping coupons, not enough money, needy to the point of having to ask her internet buddies what to do with a back-up generator, how to repair appliances, struggling single mom who just can't afford gymnastics for her kids, or purchasing lunch at school.
Who or what exactly is Kate? TLC has tried the mean, loud, cruel, bossy approach, and then the softer Kate, contrite, wanting redemption.
What's next in their approach? Is there a middle road that they haven't yet tried?
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Thats so messed up.
Can you imagine?
TLC saw a blank slate in that woman, and still can't mold her into a new persona...
That is one difficult, unyielding, too structured, and closed off human being.
Plus, she takes no prisoners in her journey.
Everyone is chewed up/used up and spat out when she is done.
[shuddering]
Thanks, Barb, for reading here and asking the obvious question. And thank you, Doofus, for going along with Kate's pretense that that #PolarBear was NOT placed carefully by a human hand as opposed to a doggy mouth. You're a gem among sickophants.
And what's the big deal about having one or two dogs sleep in her room? Does she think this is something unusual or special, and that it conclusively PROVES she's an animal lover? Too bad it doesn't, any more than her constant protestations of how she "breathes" for her kids does away with the years of abuse they suffered as toddlers.
barbgilmer1@kateplusmy8 Did Nanuq go sleep in her kennel on her own?
kateplusmy8 She takes naps in her crate during the day only. She sleeps in my room at night always. Last night, I *almost* got both Nanuq AND Shoka to sleep in my room.. She's getting calmer so he tolerates her more now lol... It'll happen soon!:) @barbgilmer1
miloandjack2016 OMGosh!! How cute is this! You should crawl in there & do a triple selfie there? Isnt it funny how our pups have that cuddle instinct?? @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016 I'm impressed to hear you are close to getting both #Nanuq. & #Shoka to sleep peacefully in your room at nite? How did that happen? @kateplusmy8
barbgilmer1@kateplusmy8 That's AWSOME to hear! Now Rocky sleeps upstairs in Zachs room but in kennel when we are not here, he doesn't mind his kennel one bit! 🐶😊
kateplusmy8 Nanuq found a napping buddy who she can really identify with!:) (Don't worry, we don't leave the stuffed polar bear with her unattended!) #PolarBear #ItsTheMeaningOfHerName #Precious #NewYearNap
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Totally staged picture. You can tell by the pristine condition of the toy that it's never been in a dog's mouth. TFW is so transparent. My puppy never goes to sleep with a toy on top of him. Here's an idea for TFW, maybe if she got an appropriate stuffed dog toy she wouldn't have to put a disclaime on the picture. Even when a dog is being "supervised" they can get those glass eyes and plastic noses off in the blink of an eye.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 130
If TFW had decided to pull the plug on the series, take a break to handle her family crisis, and just do an occasional special,
she would've been a hero. And when those specials did air, she could've gotten big numbers. There's something to be said for letting people miss you. But how can we miss her if she never goes away?
January 2, 2017 at 1:00 PM
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I think Kate's biggest fear is that people will forget about her. She won't let go because she's clinging onto her 15-minutes of fame with a white-knuckled death grip.
It's not just that Kate is not "Kate Gosselin" without her kids. It's that the kids have made her "the" Kate Gosselin with whom her identity has now become wrapped up in.
I believe filming and the fame game is her life.
There is no plan B.
Oooh, burn! No new details on custody, but nonetheless. . . .
http://radaronline.com/photos/kate-jon-gosselin-kids-new-years-party-pics/
It's a good thing that a dog will seek out his kennel for a nap or happily go there when asked. Placing the stuffed animal there is about Kate's mental age ;-).
Kate should NOT push Shoka to be bff's with either of his progeny. Mature dogs and puppies are socially on 2 very different pages, and often don't get along well, and choose not to keep each other's company.
As long as Shoka is allowed to sleep in the house and has clean quarters, that's great. It was the accounts of him being left alone, outdoors, for God knows how long that concerned me.
miloandjack2016 OMGosh!! How cute is this! You should crawl in there & do a triple selfie there? Isnt it funny how our pups have that cuddle instinct?? @kateplusmy8
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Jeebus, enough with getting in crates and pens with dogs!
Poor Macky-Wacky is an icky boy, because he doesn't seem to be in on the bedroom puppy lovefest.
I love when Gladys includes a question in her slobbering response, in hopes of TFW replying. How did you get Shoka to sleep in your room at night? What she really was wondering was, what were you wearing at the time?
Even when a dog is being "supervised" they can get those glass eyes and plastic noses off in the blink of an eye.
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Yes, that is not a toy for a dog.
Tucker's Mom (#136), mature women and 16-year-olds are also socially on 2 very different pages, and often don't get along well, and choose not to keep each other's company. Unless you have a TV show, and your crazy mother offers you bribes to stick around for filming. Then you can be BFF's.
Jeebus, enough with getting in crates and pens with dogs!
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HA! I think what Gladys really wants is to confine Kate to one of those cages so she an crawl in there with her and Kate can't escape!
Is that really a picture of Milo on IG? I can't imagine that she would post it, even though it's 20-some years old. Did she pull it somewhere off the internet?
That is one difficult, unyielding, too structured, and closed off human being.
Plus, she takes no prisoners in her journey.
Everyone is chewed up/used up and spat out when she is done.
[shuddering]
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She's like a big, huge black hole, out in outer space, sucking up everything in sight and crushing them into the mediocre micro atoms they truly are.
Flimsy, so funny! Mak wondering what TFW was wearing!
Bwahahaha!
TFW is so stunted, age wise.
TLC stinks, SPOT ON! She is a devious, malicious, mentally ill woman. If it is found out that the judge was corrupted by TFW and TLC, I hope they tie him to 4 posts out into the desert sand with zip tie anchors and pour honey on him/her.
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Where is this coming from? Now we have a corrupt judge who is in bed with TLC? Sheesh! Was this suggested in an online tab story?
Thanks for posting this link:
http://radaronline.com/photos/kate-jon-gosselin-kids-new-years-party-pics/
The picture of the two cameramen in the kitchen and dining room is a sad picture. It's looks so uncomfortable for the kids sitting there at the table. Can you imagine your life where it's normal to have huge cameras, microphones and assistants running around staging the scene? This isn't real.
TLC stinks said...
TLC stinks has left a new comment on the post "Discussion Thread: Beach Time! 12/27/2016":
CC, I cannot believe Jon would be unable to stop Collin being filmed if his attorney produces evidence it would be deterimental to Collin's mental well being. Kate has to have known this, thus hiding Collin from from his dad as his behavior worsened. The judge is all about what is best for the child. She hid Collin to keep filming. That is the bottom line.
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I'm confused though. How is it Jon's fault if Kate still films the kids?
Even if an attorney has evidence it's bad for Collin the judge will still have to rule no filming. Jon can't do that. Only the judge can.
If a judge rules against filming then you're saying if Kate still films it's Jon's fault? He can't stop TLC from filming the kids when he doesn't have custody of them. He's not even there.
I think the judge would have to order TLC to stop filming. TLC would have attorneys and they would know their client has to obey the order.
I still don't see how it's Jon's fault if Kate continues filming the kids if Jon is doing everything if he legally can to stop it.
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Where is this coming from? Now we have a corrupt judge who is in bed with TLC? Sheesh! Was this suggested in an online tab story?
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I said that important word, if!
As another poster posted, it seems like the judge just laughs off Jon's requests because look how many times she has gotten to film the kids, kids not being able to see Jon, take them out of the country to film, forcing Mady to go to Alaska to film when she clearly did not want to go and she wanted to stay with her father.
I saw a clip of when TFW was going on her date with Vann.
She went into the living room? to hug the kids, she barely leaned in and she was patting their backs so stupidly. The side of Joel's face was buried into her with a big smile on his face. But on her part, it was not loving at all.
She made her way to Cara, who was standing at the foot of the stairs by the end of the banister. The look on her face was gut wrenching. That poor girl as someone has said is on her last thread. She had the look of severe dread and was looking at the side and wasn't even looking at her when her mother was walking toward her and when TFW reached in to hug her, Cara's eyes closed, like God HELP ME!
Then she looked at her because she said something to her.
So to the sweet 16, she looked a little better.
The game night episode coming on tomorrow night. Someone posted that she was acting like a maniac. I agree. She HOLLERED THATS WRONG! Collin was sitting on the end of the couch. Then a tup girl was in front of her and she HOLLERED, SAVE US!
She was also wearing the traditional pink fuzzy wig.
GET YER POPCORN!
HA! I think what Gladys really wants is to confine Kate to one of those cages so she an crawl in there with her and Kate can't escape!
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You know it!
I have to admit, I kind of curious about CA with Schwarzenager (sp?). Seems like it will be more fun with The Terminator.
Starts tonight at 8.
I said that important word, if!
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But why even put that idea out there regardless of the "if?" ? A corrupt judge? Just because a judge denied Jon's request doesn't make the judge corrupt. It could have been that she was under contract with TLC to film, and it was her decision (however unwise and unscrupulous) to trot the kids all the way to Australia.
It could have been that she was under contract with TLC to film, and it was her decision (however unwise and unscrupulous) to trot the kids all the way to Australia.
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Or, Kate cried about having no other way to support 8 kids. I can see how a judge could buy that argument back in circa 2009.
It is beyond obvious that the "system" in PA favors Kate over Jon. The mere fact she hasn't been arrested for not only failing to follow court-ordered visitation, but further, flaunts that fact, is pretty telling about what Jon's been facing.
Am I the only one who remembers that the reason Arnold is now CA host is because of the inflammatory remarks Trump made about Mexicans being rapists?
That's what gets me..."she" being under contract to TLC means the kids HAVE to travel to Australia/Alaska,etc. to be filmed over the objection of their father. Because their adult(?) mother signed them on for this show biz career, the kids are forced to entertain the public over the objection of their father.
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Tucker's Mom (#153), remember TFW bragging about how fiercely she protects her children's privacy? If that was the case, she NEVER would've shot that scene about who's going to Dad's, and the usual 4, and then specifying which kids. That was a direct violation of their privacy, and probably a violation of the confidential custody agreement, too.
The picture of the two cameramen in the kitchen and dining room is a sad picture. It's looks so uncomfortable for the kids sitting there at the table.
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Yes, it is, Kirkland! It doesn't bother her, she loves the camera. She holds on that camera like a crutch, a part of her and she ain't letting go. Shame on her, TLC, the camera crews, Figure 8, STEVE, Jamie, Deanna.
They will have to answer one day why they made 8 children stumble for money and if the answers are not right, oh, well.
It's all on them.
Yes, I don't understand how this alleged custody gag order works. I don't get how Kate can publicly undermine Jon's parenting with impunity.
But why even put that idea out there regardless of the "if?" ? A corrupt judge? Just because a judge denied Jon's request doesn't make the judge corrupt. It could have been that she was under contract with TLC to film, and it was her decision (however unwise and unscrupulous) to trot the kids all the way to Australia.
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I agree. While I acknowledge that judges often side with the mother in custody issues (PA is not the exception), to suggest that a judge might be corrupt and in cahoots with TLC and Kate just isn't cool.
We did have our state Attorney General scandal and she was sentenced to 10 to 23 months in prison for her conviction on charges of perjury and abuse of her office. What a mess that was.
Yes, I don't understand how this alleged custody gag order works. I don't get how Kate can publicly undermine Jon's parenting with impunity.
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I don't understand it either. Was there a gag order? If so, Kate seems to think that she's above the law, and just says what she wants to say without any consequences and nobody will call her on it.
I have been reading here and other blogs. I notice K hates the sites where people call her out on her bs. The idiot followers she has sticking up for her and saying vulgar comments to Jon and Robert Hoffman need to get a life. I hope they realize KG only cares about herself.
I have also been thinking of why she would completely leave Jon out of where their son was sent and why. I may be wrong, but If I were to guess, I'd bet her making them film reality television is behind the cause of it all. I bet some doctor or some professional said it wasn't healthy for him. No way would she give Jon or anyone the perfect excuse to stop her income. Jon said (in et online interview) that's why she doesn't want
Him having any control of the kids, because he wouldn't sign off and allow them to film. So now she looks like she's doing what's in her sons interest, yet keeps filming more episodes for HER own interest. All my opinion, of course.
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But why even put that idea out there regardless of the "if?" ? A corrupt judge? Just because a judge denied Jon's request doesn't make the judge corrupt. It could have been that she was under contract with TLC to film, and it was her decision (however unwise and unscrupulous) to trot the kids all the way to Australia.
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I agree. While I acknowledge that judges often side with the mother in custody issues (PA is not the exception), to suggest that a judge might be corrupt and in cahoots with TLC and Kate just isn't cool.
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I also agree that we don't need to go there. Although you did say "IF", when people read it their eyes my just skip over that two letter word because many of us skim read.
Im watching the new CA so far. It looks like a good group of celebs this year.
I agree. While I acknowledge that judges often side with the mother in custody issues (PA is not the exception), to suggest that a judge might be corrupt and in cahoots with TLC and Kate just isn't cool.
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I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be not cool. It is so frustrating that
Teflon Former Wife gets away with not being held accountable for her actions for a decade until possibly Collin. And now it looks like Alexis is in the bull pen and is up next.
I doubt that any court order will stop Kate from filming Collin if that's what she wants to do. She'll just do it and not inform anyone until they find out and it's too late. C is of no use to her if she can't make money off him.
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I agree and sadly think Kate hasn't told the other kids (at least the remaining tups) where Collin is, further, let them communicate with him in any way whereby they could find out his location and circumstances.
Lest they tell Jon, of course.
Yeah, I do believe that's Kate's ultimate motivation, too.
Film, baby, film.
Alexis being next? I can't imagine Kate doing that to one of the girls. Can't be 100% about that, tho.
Mady and Cara are solid safe. They are too old to give some bullsh*t explanation of their disappearance.
Funny how getting the twins alienated completely from Jon works out so well for Kate, isn't it?
Tucker's Mom (132),
Yes, Kate is horrified by the very idea of missing the chance to film. She has to know that her time to film the kids is limited. The twins will be adults in less than two years. She can't give consent for her adult daughters to film. They get to do that. They can refuse to film (Cara, most likely), and the girls can negotiate their own pay and contracts. That means they can ask for full salaries and Kate no longer gets to keep most of the cash, with just a small percentage to be split up among the kids. Life as she knows it will change very soon. "I'm in charge and that's never gonna change" won't cut it anymore.
And now it looks like Alexis is in the bull pen and is up next.
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I don't watch the shows. Why would Alexis be next? What has she done that would suggest that Kate will send her away?
GollyGee (163): "I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be not cool. It is so frustrating that
Teflon Former Wife gets away with not being held accountable for her actions for a decade until possibly Collin. And now it looks like Alexis is in the bull pen and is up next. "
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Why would Alexis be next? I must really be out of the loop, but I don't understand why it looks like she would be next to go.
Honestly, Alexis just appears to be lathargic and uninterested during the interview sessions. I'm not sure what she has done to make it seem like she's "next in line" to be sent away. Just because she and Collin share similar issues behaviorally doesn't mean she's gonna get sent away too. But I always wondered how she was the one that was able to adjust and Collin wasn't.
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Am I the only one who remembers that the reason Arnold is now CA host is because of the inflammatory remarks Trump made about Mexicans being rapists?
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Trump could not even run for President with his own tv show. So he gave up the show before running.
I think they are suggesting Alexis might be next because her circumstances are similar to Collin's. She was expelled the same time as Collin, and Kate has also kept her from seeing Jon when the other four go regularly... just like Collin.
It's also been suggested here by several people that Alexis seems medicated when she does the couch interviews.
We had no idea how bad it was with Collin, so I guess it's likely we don't know how bad it is with Alexis also. ????
The only thing Alexis has going for her differently is Kate treated Collin like dirt since he was a toddler.
Lynne, Alexis is odd man out with the girls. Her sisters have said demeaning things about her on air. She was expelled from school just like Collin years ago (anger issues). She appeared recently medicated in a couch interview just like Collin (acting half asleep). She does not see Jon just like Collin. The parallels are there. She's next.
Several posters have posted that Alexis maybe next.
She is not the group of four that visits Jon regularly.
She looks medicated on the interview couch. And what about her in the TLC promo shot, on their Facebook page with a mad look on her face, staring away from her mother, her arms crossed.
I hope she's not. I pray that Alexis and all of the kids are going to be ok and survive this highly unusual, unnecessary childhood experience of filming to keep their mother in the lap of luxury that she has become accustomed to, unscathed.
Layla (#167), don't forget another one of TFW's classic responses: "No never means no!" If only she'd applied some of that determination and drive towards making better choices for her children and their future. But she comes first. Always has, always will. She is a horrible mother.
CC, I cannot believe Jon would be unable to stop Collin being filmed if his attorney produces evidence it would be deterimental to Collin's mental well being. Kate has to have known this, thus hiding Collin from from his dad as his behavior worsened. The judge is all about what is best for the child. She hid Collin to keep filming. That is the bottom line.
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I don't believe this. Jon's attorney would not have any evidence that filming is bad for Collin. That evidence would have to come from Collin's doctor. Jon would have had to have taken Collin over a period of time to a child physiologist for that to be determined. And then a judge would have to review that evidence to stop Collin from filming. And I really don't think Jon would have done that to Collin.
Jon did not put Collin in that facility. It was Collin's doctors that did that. Even Kate could not have done that just because she wanted to. No facility is going to accept Collin unless they validate that he needs to be admitted. And the very fact that Collin has been in that facility for many, many months speaks to the fact that Collin needed to be admitted to it.
Collin being in that facility has nothing to do with Jon not wanting Collin to be filmed. Jon has not spent any or at most a tiny bit of time in the past several years with Collin to even determine that filming would be detrimental to his mental health. And when would Jon have time to send Collin to a have mental evaluations without Kate being aware of it?
Did anyone catch that biotch do a slapping motion (pretty aggressively I might add)at one of kids when they are getting instructiona for one of the activities? Like a 5 year old, getting all flustered, and she said something like "no!!would you just stop" And it was over NOTHING, truly nothing. Like a squabbling toddler. If she loses her sh*t over something so inconsequential, can't imagine something more serious. She really was going to slap whoever it was, or wanted to show who's boss. Grow the eff up woman
Why would Alexis be next? I must really be out of the loop, but I don't understand why it looks like she would be next to go.
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I think it's just because Alexis has a history similar to Collin, but it appears she's been able to stay back in school and not need home schooling.
I think it just goes to how Kate could send a child away, and just keep the filming, fun and "chaos" going like nothing happened.
I, for one, never thought that Kate was capable of doing what she's doing, so to me, there's not telling what she considers a deal breaker as far as filming.
Certainly, any SANE, caring mother would NEVER violate their children's privacy, sell their story, and risk their well being like Kate has shown she's capable of.
For me, all bets are off as far as trying to predict how far Kate will go.
Re: meds for kids: guys, love this blog, and have for years, but if any child is being medicated for behavioural issues, you wouldn't be able to "tell", just by looking at them on a couch. That speculation has to stop, as it perpetuates all the myths surrounding mental health issues.
I'm not an expert, just experience with my own kid the last 3 years.
I'm not sure what she has done to make it seem like she's "next in line" to be sent away.
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I don't think we saw Collin do anything that would suggest he would be sent away. We really have no idea what else is happening in that house. There are plenty of things we do know, but I'm sure there is plenty we don't. I imagine things in that house are even worse than we think.
It didn't surprise me at all that Kate sent Collin away. I do think though that if Kate knew it would put her in a negative light she wouldn't have done it. If it was for Collin's best interests, she still wouldn't have done it if it would impact her fame.
Tucker's Mom (#178), I feel the same about TFW. As low as my opinion of her was, I never could've predicted the C situation.
She takes every opportunity she can to let us know things are fun-fun-fun at home.
Hey, if there were only 6 kids, they could be divided into convenient groups: the twins, the 2 boys, and the 2 girl tups she's always liked. Much easier for family competitions. Let the chaotic fun begin. Okay, I'm being flip, but once TFW compared her son leaving home at the tender age of 12 to having a kid go off to college, it really hit home that her brain composition is not one I'm capable of understanding.
Is tonight the super-fun Sweet 16 episode? What golden platter extravaganza will TFW throw to show up her mediocre ex -- I mean, to celebrate her precious daughters?
Leslie said... 171
Am I the only one who remembers that the reason Arnold is now CA host is because of the inflammatory remarks Trump made about Mexicans being rapists?
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Trump could not even run for President with his own tv show. So he gave up the show before running.
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http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/nbc-donald-trump-immigrants-1201530568/
“Due to the recent derogatory statements by Donald Trump regarding immigrants, NBCUniversal is ending its business relationship with Mr. Trump,” NBC said in a statement. “At NBC, respect and dignity for all people are cornerstones of our values.”
I think it is insane that TFW can tell police that Jon is "inappropriate" with Hannah, and that he sells drugs. Granted, the police did not charge him with anything, and realized she was being spiteful. But we have no idea how much other crazy bull crap she has accused him of to be spiteful. I wonder if the Judge in the Family Court is aware of this.
Kate could smile & laugh like a damn fool, and continue having filmed trips with the rest of her kids- but it's not going to change that sadly, and unfortunately, her family is "broken".
No amount of trips is going to fix what's going on in their hearts.
Shame on Kate & TLC/Discovery for not allowing this family to heal, and live their private lives.
I can't imagine why people still watch her show. It's not cute to watch those kids being dragged from one place to another with a camera in their faces. It's pathetic.
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Did anyone catch that biotch do a slapping motion (pretty aggressively I might add)at one of kids when they are getting instructiona for one of the activities? Like a 5 year old, getting all flustered, and she said something like "no!!would you just stop" And it was over NOTHING, truly nothing. Like a squabbling toddler. If she loses her sh*t over something so inconsequential, can't imagine something more serious. She really was going to slap whoever it was, or wanted to show who's boss. Grow the eff up woman.
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Pure speculation, and I have only watched the clips, but TFW seems so out of wack in all of the clips. Yellowing, laughing, crying.... a real nut job. I wonder if her diagnosis on the Psych Eval was BiPolar, and she was prescribed meds for same, but stopped taking them for filming.
She is so erratic.
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I'm not sure what she has done to make it seem like she's "next in line" to be sent away.
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I don't think we saw Collin do anything that would suggest he would be sent away. We really have no idea what else is happening in that house. There are plenty of things we do know, but I'm sure there is plenty we don't. I imagine things in that house are even worse than we think.
It didn't surprise me at all that Kate sent Collin away. I do think though that if Kate knew it would put her in a negative light she wouldn't have done it. If it was for Collin's best interests, she still wouldn't have done it if it would impact her fame.
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That's the thing. We don't know. No one could've predicted Collin getting sent away to a facility. Who knows what could happen within the next year or so. Everything seems to be up in the air at this point
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I still think that TLC has many more reasons to cancel K8 at this point than to keep her "chugging along" on life support.
First and foremost is the clearly waning interest. You can't argue with the numbers. They've been truly bad all season, making the contrast with her lead-in shows all the more striking. People are actively tuning out K8, not rejecting the tiresome (and tired) format of staged reality shows.
Second is Collin. No one is interested in watching a Plus 8 program that is now clearly Plus 7, with or without the added cuteness factor of two puppies who are rapidly becoming just regular old dogs. What will viewers see in future episodes, the cams following the dogs' on their daily routine? No.
Third is storyline---what's left? People are clearly tired of watching K8 "romp on the beach" (which I personally have never seen her do) with her kids. Even the episodes showing them going somewhere educational are not particularly interesting, since instead of learning anything viewers are treated to K8 acting out and her kids being embarrassed. Might be funny the first couple of times; then it's just uncomfortable to watch. If they stay home, the oddity of how K8 has structured their household and their lives just becomes more apparent. We saw how the "making memories with garden stones" worked out---her teens could not have been more scathing. That carefully-engineered-to-be-heart-warming moment fell flat as a pancake. Of which there are many examples.
About the only thing I can think of that might bring another episode or two is Collin's return. But that would require K8 to be much more forthcoming about his "issues," and I don't think she's gonna go there (and not for the sake of his privacy either). I am among those who believe Collin will never live in that house again.
So what are we left with? Unless TLC is so hard up for new programs, I just don't see them continuing with this show. The twins are likely to be less and less available to film, which leaves K8 with 5. And those 5 look like they're over it, too.
The only person who still wants to do it is K8. So let Kate and Steve put on their thinking caps to come up with some scenario under which America might want to see K8 Gosselin on their TV screens on a regular basis---without the kids.
Jon did not put Collin in that facility. It was Collin's doctors that did that
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I'm not asking for specific information but you seem to know exactly where Collin is?
My sense is that we really don't know what the circumstances are, and if a doctor "ordered", in other words, committed Collin.
It wouldn't take several visits over a period of time to determine whether a child with severe behavioral problems should not be exposed by filming him for public consumption. That could be determined just by speaking to Collin once.
He's 12 and can speak for himself now.
A review of his history and talking with this intelligent child with good communication skills seems enough for me to base a recommendation of "no filming and no public life" for Collin.
The risk/benefit ratio for Collin is plainly NOT in his, nor any minor's favor.
Only in Kate's favor, of course.
Nicky (#179), thanks for your input about medication from your own experience. I haven't watched the show for years, so I don't know anything about the G kids' most recent behavior. I've just gone by what posters here have said, based on their own comparisons to the kids' previous demeanor and temperament. I don't think anyone is out to diagnose a particular issue -- just making observations.
Am I the only one who remembers that the reason Arnold is now CA host is because of the inflammatory remarks Trump made about Mexicans being rapists?
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I don't really care why The Donald is gone because I'm a CA junkie and will continue to watch with whomever is at the helm. I enjoyed it last night and especially liked that Arnold says "You're terminated".
But I always wondered how she was the one that was able to adjust and Collin wasn't.
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Maybe because they are two individuals with two different personalities, brain chemistries , different weaknesses and strengths, etc.
Here's the thing,if Collin truly was home,i can't imagine Kate respecting his privacy.I feel if he was home,she'd take a picture of the 6 tups together on Christmas.Instead nothing but her post that had 8 Christmas presents on it.Which proves nothing
The tongue thrusting that she did while para sailing seems to be new and Mady said she's always doing things with her mouth (or something like that). Here's an interesting read. Not a diagnosis nor an attempt to say she's on anything. Just an interesting read and you can take it for what it's worth.
http://www.everydayhealth.com/bipolar-disorder/bipolar-treatment-and-tardive-dyskinesia.aspx
Shame on Kate & TLC/Discovery for not allowing this family to heal, and live their private lives.
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The best thing that could have happened for the kids is if Jon was able to permanently stop filming.
I think then, Kate would have no choice but to work with Jon. As far as she's concerned, she didn't need him anymore. He was like some vestigial appendage that was nothing more than dead weight.
If Kate and Jon HAD to pull their resources together, I'm betting they would have been co-parenting a helluva lot better than they are.
With the money train still on the tracks, Kate can afford the paid help and can use the media to spin her narrative as she sees fit.
Jamesvader1194 (#193), I agree that TFW would share if C was home. His privacy means nothing to her.
Here's a random thought -- when C is finally released, TFW might just call Chris the Pap and have him show up at the facility when she picks him up. Just to get a little extra bonus money out of all this. Remember, it's been hard for C, but it's been hard for HER, too. Nothing is beneath her. Nothing.
Third is storyline---what's left?
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Sad but true- is it just me, or is TLC filming a TON of hours/stuff/activities to cram into each episode.
The amount of work and money being spent for 44 or so minutes of edited footage, or just one episode, is crazy.
It's like the storylines are cobbled together and made into this gobbledegook of scenes.
Plus, the kids seem sullen and unplugged much of the time.
Sue said... 194
Very interesting article. I had no idea those side effects were associated with those drugs.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 190
Nicky (#179), thanks for your input about medication from your own experience. I haven't watched the show for years, so I don't know anything about the G kids' most recent behavior. I've just gone by what posters here have said, based on their own comparisons to the kids' previous demeanor and temperament. I don't think anyone is out to diagnose a particular issue -- just making observations.
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Thanks Flimsy - I'm just trying to do my part and correct the assumption that kids that are on behavioural meds are zoned out and looked "drugged". In my experience, that certainly isn't the case. It's hard enough for parents to make the decision, as the prevailing narrative is that we've done it to make our lives easier, and to control our children. I wish it was that easy! LOL!
About the only thing I can think of that might bring another episode or two is Collin's return. But that would require K8 to be much more forthcoming about his "issues," and I don't think she's gonna go there (and not for the sake of his privacy either). I am among those who believe Collin will never live in that house again.
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If Kate can possibly publicize Collin's return, she will.
If she can film it, sell the photos, sell the story and play the Mom card for the masses, she will.
I think IF Collin comes home, the only way he will have privacy is if Kate is ordered to do provide that.
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The tongue thrusting that she did while para sailing seems to be new and Mady said she's always doing things with her mouth (or something like that). Here's an interesting read. Not a diagnosis nor an attempt to say she's on anything. Just an interesting read and you can take it for what it's worth.
http://www.everydayhealth.com/bipolar-disorder/bipolar-treatment-and-tardive-dyskinesia.aspx
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I have no clue what that tongue thrusting was all about. It's new and if I had to say if it was voluntary or involuntary, I'd say either is possible.
I don't think she could have hidden it for so long if it was chronic/habitual.
It was weird, tho!
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