It's the twins sweet 16! Kate allows Mady and Cara to plan their own party and tensions run high. Kate finds the moment bittersweet, while the twins are just happy to be with their friends.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 198 Sad but true (#191), isn't it interesting that the parent who claims to be the only one concerned about their privacy served her daughters up on a golden platter at a fan event, and now the dude is commenting on their bodies?
I'll say it again -- TFW wouldn't hesitate for a second to put the twins' dating life on film, if that's what it takes to extend the life of the show. She will not go out without a fight. No still never means no to her. ____ Fortunately, I don't see that happening. Cara would likely take vows and enter a nunnery before she let K8 film her on a date. And Mady's not likely to ever get a date if she doesn't learn how to curb her mouth.
kateplusmy8 She does this at highest steps .. We make a wall to cash her tho if she should slip.. For real. But yeah now I am worried.. More so! @miloandjack2016
Jamesvader1194 When she put the word out about Polly Pockets, she asked for sets she could buy. At least pretending she wasn't trying to grift. But she loves to drop hints about things she wants, then praise fans for gifts. She actually posted that she didn't want people to send her stuff today, but I am not fooled. She was either ordered by someone to stop begging or realized that she's not fooling anyone. She probably expects that some will still send her stuff, and they probably will. The kids are old enough to be embarrassed by her grafting now. But I still believe she was pushing for free stuff. What other reason would there be to post the Amazon listing?
I don't understand why Milo doesn't do her "communicatin' in other ways" thing with K8, she's up to 6 comments on this IG post alone. And what would K8 know about "quality time" with her kids? You mean when she's crying and screaming and running around like a headless chicken?
miloandjack2016 Dont overthink it! LOL. If you ate taking those precations she seems really well balanced. Smart puppy there! @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016@kateplusmy8 Im happy to see you are taking the time...making the effort to play w/your dogs! So important...like quality time w/your kids!! ❤
miloandjack2016 Has #Nanuq fully recovered from that surgery on her neck? So young to already have a growth...I worried about that! @kateplusmy8
kateplusmy8 She does this at highest steps .. We make a wall to cash her tho if she should slip.. For real. But yeah now I am worried.. More so! @miloandjack2016 ======== Yup, TFW could really cash in on it if Nookie Pookie slipped or crashed into them while jumping for the ball and the walls of Gosselin came tumbling down.
xxxxxxxxxxx @Kateplusmy8 is STILL beating those kids. She sent Collin to a mental institution because he wanted her to stop beating him ..he broke down.
Where is this coming from? What am I missing in this Collin situation? Do these non-fans just make up things as they go along, or is there truth to this?
Absolutely. My sister-in-law calls herself a vegetarian, not a pescatarian, and she eats fish.
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I'm guessing too since more people know what a vegetarian is, it's just easier to say that's what you are and avoid a bunch of confusion or questions, rather than go into all the nitty gritty details of what you do and don't eat and exactly what scientific name there is for what you are. In any case, fish is a very common "exception" to a no animal diet.
it's just easier to say that's what you are and avoid a bunch of confusion or questions, rather than go into all the nitty gritty details of what you do and don't eat and exactly what scientific name there is for what you are. In any case, fish is a very common "exception" to a no animal diet.
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Does a vegetarian eat Escargots à la Bourguignonne?
I'm guessing too since more people know what a vegetarian is, it's just easier to say that's what you are and avoid a bunch of confusion or questions, rather than go into all the nitty gritty details of what you do and don't eat and exactly what scientific name there is for what you are. In any case, fish is a very common "exception" to a no animal diet.
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I was confused when Miley said she was pansexual. I didn't know if she were enamored with a cast-iron skillet.
I don't understand why Milo doesn't do her "communicatin' in other ways" thing with K8, she's up to 6 comments on this IG post alone.
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She wants Kate to respond in a public forum. If she does her communicatin' in other ways, nobody will know how close and intimate they are! There's a method to her madness. She needs to keep her name out there.
I'm a Vegetarian Nothing that Has to Be Killed to be Consumed Please
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Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 8
Absolutely. My sister-in-law calls herself a vegetarian, not a pescatarian, and she eats fish.
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I'm guessing too since more people know what a vegetarian is, it's just easier to say that's what you are and avoid a bunch of confusion or questions, rather than go into all the nitty gritty details of what you do and don't eat and exactly what scientific name there is for what you are. In any case, fish is a very common "exception" to a no animal diet. **************** You're not avoiding confusion by using the wrong term, you're adding to it. As an actual vegetarian, if you served me a piece of salmon it would no different than serving me a steak. I would politely avoid eating either. I don't want to be served something with fish content in a restaurant because people who eat fish decided to co-opt the vegetarian label and make people believe that vegetarians eat fish. We don't.
There are now people who eat chicken and call themselves pollo-vegetarians. Um, no. Eat chicken to your heart's content, but don't call yourself a vegetarian. It's misleading and confusing.
Maybe TFW is being Chatty Cathy to keep in touch with the fans ahead of Tuesday night's last show. Any day we should be hearing that the new episode is the #Best1Ever!
"xxxxxxxxxxx @Kateplusmy8 is STILL beating those kids. She sent Collin to a mental institution because he wanted her to stop beating him ..he broke down.
Where is this coming from? What am I missing in this Collin situation? Do these non-fans just make up things as they go along, or is there truth to this?"
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I think there is truth to him being in a mental hospital but there is no proof or evidence of why he was sent there. Non-fans always seem to make stuff up with no proof whatsoever.
The vegetarian conversation is pretty funny. No offense, but It's interesting what some people get riled up about.
Sorry, but some people don't consider fish meat. It's even in a separate section in the supermarket. There's the meat section and the seafood section. You have a butcher shop for meat, and a seafood market or fish market for fish.
Catholics don't eat meat for lent, but they eat fish.
It's very common for people who eat seafood but not "meat" to call themselves vegetarians. It's been commonplace for DECADES.
So basically it depends on the definition of meat to some people. Even the dictionary lists it as flesh of a mammal. Or flesh of a domesticated animal.
When you say "meat and potatoes" you don't mean to include fish.
Personally, I think if you're a vegetarian you shouldn't eat fish, but some vegetarians feel differently.
Speaking of supermarkets sections, why are eggs in the dairy section? Birds aren't mammals.
Sheepless In Seattle said... 3 kateplusmy8 She does this at highest steps .. We make a wall to cash her tho if she should slip.. For real. But yeah now I am worried.. More so! @miloandjack2016
Who is cashing whom? January 5, 2017 at 8:01 PM ****** They make a wall to catch the puppy if she slips and falls because they are playing catching on stairs? Am I right? And Kate is wondering if she really shouldn't be doing that?
Well, I have to say this about Milo, she cleans up Kate's messes in a flattering way in which it seems Kate listens to her.
Yup, TFW could really cash in on it if Nookie Pookie slipped or crashed into them while jumping for the ball and the walls of Gosselin came tumbling down. _____ I don't know if you meant it this way, but now I'm wondering if K8's got her pooches insured since they're now featured players on her show. Stranger things have happened.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 15 Maybe TFW is being Chatty Cathy to keep in touch with the fans ahead of Tuesday night's last show. Any day we should be hearing that the new episode is the #Best1Ever! ****** Could be Kate's trying to keep the momentum from the ratings the twins brought this week.
I know she said Alexis was the one asking for Vegemite but I can't help but wonder if it wasn't Steve. New Zealanders and Australians are famous for their love of Marmite/Vegemite and I suppose she likes to keep some on hand for him.
She has 23 acres for the dogs to run and play and catch balls, toys and frisbees!
So what does she and the kids do? They let the dogs catch the ball while on the stairs while they make a wall to stop the dog from crashing and getting hurt?
You're not avoiding confusion by using the wrong term, you're adding to it. As an actual vegetarian, if you served me a piece of salmon it would no different than serving me a steak.
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Oh for pete sake. I'm adding to nothing because I would never serve you a piece of fish or actually, any food, without checking with you first to ensure it meets all your specifications because I'm not a rude host no matter how rude and picky my guests are and like most people I understand that there are a dozen variations on the theme of vegetarianism and I'm not going to sit here and try to guess what someone's mantra is.
It's your lot who have bastardized vegetarianism, not all the meat eaters who bend over backwards on a daily basis to accommodate mostly self-righteous diets. I was raised to eat what is in front of me when I am a guest in someone's home, I was also raised to accommodate someone's dietary needs who comes into my home no matter how rude and self-important they are being.
Why don't you go complain to your crowd, lecture them on what words to use. I'm sure it will go over real well.
Vegemite tastes like a bouillon cube. I gag. Most Americans hate it. When I was in Australia, I didn't really get the impression they liked it as much as they enjoyed serving it to their American friends, pretending it's like jam or nutella, not telling us to just use a THIN layer on our toast, so we glob it on like a typical piggy American, take a bite, and then, our faces!
Oh for pete sake. I'm adding to nothing because I would never serve you a piece of fish or actually, any food, without checking with you first to ensure it meets all your specifications because I'm not a rude host no matter how rude and picky my guests are and like most people I understand that there are a dozen variations on the theme of vegetarianism and I'm not going to sit here and try to guess what someone's mantra is. ***** Salmon is rather polarizing, like brussel sprouts. I would never just serve anything to guests without checking to see if they have any restrictions. That's de rigueur nowadays when feeding people you whose dietary regime you are not familiar with.
At any rate, whomever this troll is was just trying to throw shade on me by choosing to nit pick my referring to one or both of the twins being "vegetarian". Anyway, it goes back to Kate referencing making meatless meals for Cara, and the twins making meatless lasagna (which had cheese). I don't care what you call it. Salmon burgers is an odd choice to me when it comes to feeding a lot of people. In the end, the salmon was just a plot device for the show.
Anonymous said... 27 Radar has a new post - "Does Kate Know? Son's Facility License Revoked After Patients Put In Danger". _____ I wonder what makes them so sure this is where he is. I hope Jon has seen him.
Does Kate Know? Son’s Facility License Revoked After Patients Put In Danger Collin Gosselin was placed in inpatient treatment for his special needs.
Is Collin in danger?
After Kate Gosselin confessed that her son was receiving treatment away from home, she assured fans that her troubled preteen was in good hands.
But RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned that the 12-year-old’s Philadelphia-based facility has had its license revoked after a slew of violations and repeated incompetency!
The inpatient treatment center — which Radar has chosen not to name for privacy reasons — broke so many rules this summer, the Pennsylvania Department of Human Services revoked their one-year compliance license and reissued a six-month provisional certificate.
According to official government documents, medications were given to patients without permission and in some cases, after prescriptions were discontinued.
At least two staff members failed to complete proper training within 90 days of hire.
Employees also made many administration errors, including neglecting to update patients’ treatment plans and failing obtain their signed consent to release sensitive information.
In one scary incident, a patient cut him or herself in the shower with broken glass, but a doctor neglected to show up to the unit.
Another patient made homicidal threats, but a suicidal/homicidal risk evaluation was not completed. Instead, a doctor had simply signed a blank form.
Reports indicate that the center will only be licensed until late February.
As Radar previously reported, the facility has been sued in the past for allowing patients to escape and others to get into vicious fights.
According to sources, Collin has suffered from extreme anger issues for many years, prompting Kate, 41, to send him to treatment.
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this poor kid. I have worked as staff in place like that and I would never let a child of mine end up like that. All those dsyfunctional children feed off each other and I have never seen a positive out come from warehouseing children in institutions. His mother dumped him and has isolated him from his father...what child wouldn't be angry? He would have been much better off if he was living with his dad.
Dear Lord, in Heaven! I hope Collin is not involved in any of the instances there! That poor baby! It makes me so angry that ROL is saying that SHE SENT HIM THERE! I believe he was taken by CPS/drs. because of the way she treats him!!! Because she would never send him because she wouldn't get paid for him not being on the show.
I would hate to know I had to be accountable for this on THE DAY of accountability that is coming up soon!
If you type the name of the facility we were pretty sure he is at, in this search, the license comes up as provisional. I can't find the report online, however. And the most recent correspondence shown is the cover letter and license from June. They must have done an inspection in August and placed them on provisional. But where did Radar get the details? I'd love to read the actual inspection report.
bm (#22), ah, good guess about the vegemite being for Steve, and not the kids. Are the kids allowed to handle the jar with bare hands, or do they need to use foil?
If TLC cancels her, maybe she can do an Australian series: 7 Plus Kite Plus Vegemite.
I too hope Jon has seen Collin and can arrange to either have him released into his care or placed somewhere more appropriate to deal with his issues. My heart aches for this sweet little fellow and can't help but wonder if she placed him in this particular institution for insurance purposes rather than paying out of her own pocket for a more suitable environment for such a young child. I can't get over how she mocked his mama bear/baby bear gift. His little heart must be broken.
I'm wondering how TFW stays apprised of C's progress in this facility. Or does her "no news is good news" policy also work for when your child is away from home?
So some of Kate's fans mock the Kate haters for saying they don't know anything for a fact about Kate visiting or not visiting Collin.Well how do they know Kate visits him?In fact,Kate has never said she's visited him.The only thing she said was that BS interview where she said"Oh hes just chugging along".Which that to me just sound like she doesn't give a crap about how he is.While i understand privacy things,telling people you'd visited him is not exposing his privacy.
As Radar previously reported, the facility has been sued in the past for allowing patients to escape and others to get into vicious fights.
According to sources, Collin has suffered from extreme anger issues for many years, prompting Kate, 41, to send him to treatment.
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this poor kid. I have worked as staff in place like that and I would never let a child of mine end up like that. All those dsyfunctional children feed off each other and I have never seen a positive out come from warehouseing children in institutions. His mother dumped him and has isolated him from his father...what child wouldn't be angry? He would have been much better off if he was living with his dad. ******* Boy Interrupted.
locaylyocul said... 31 If you type the name of the facility we were pretty sure he is at, in this search, the license comes up as provisional. I can't find the report online, however. And the most recent correspondence shown is the cover letter and license from June. They must have done an inspection in August and placed them on provisional. But where did Radar get the details? I'd love to read the actual inspection report. January 6, 2017 at 6:53 AM ****** Radar seems pretty bold in printing things about this facility, so I tend to believe they've got solid confirmation that Collin is there. If this is the case, what parent wouldn't pull their child out of there asap?
FlimsyFlamsy said... 35 I'm wondering how TFW stays apprised of C's progress in this facility. Or does her "no news is good news" policy also work for when your child is away from home? January 6, 2017 at 7:23 AM ***** From the Collin-less shows and Kate's IG, that boy is out of sight, out of mind. Kate was LOSING IT just thinking about her twins turning 16 and giving them the bestest party ever. Whenever she talks about Collin, her eyes are as dead as a shark's. Moreover, eh, it's no biggie. You know, like sending a kid off to college. I think Kate is relieved to get Collin out of her hair and clear the path to further unfettered filming. Just like Jon.
Sad but true said... 193 Aw look, K8 went back after 80 comments to say she wasn't grifting after all. Anyone believe her? Show of hands . . . And another BEST trip ever! Nothing's ever mediocre in K8World.
kateplusmy8 Thank you ...ALL of my Australian friends for all of your offers to send us our favorite Australian foods! Awww true to form, each and every one of you: kind, giving and truly 'no worries'! I wasn't asking you to send us stuff.. But truly, just seeing your offers reminded me of yet another reason why I love the land down under! The AMAZING people!! XO friends! We talk nearly daily about visiting again .. It was the BEST trip ever! (Ps: this applies to New Zealand as well:) @joanne_ciseau @brookereynolds21 @loveisfluid
When Kate says, "we talk nearly daily about visiting again", is she referring to the voices in her head? Because kids move on. They don't sit and pine about past vacations daily.
Tucker's Mom (#39), yeah, poor C was just an obstacle to her. A liability. She's relieved he's out of the way. Have we heard one sincere syllable of remorse or sorrow from her to prove otherwise? Sounds like she showed more emotion about her hairdresser making it to the girls' Sweet 16 than she has about missing her son.
Think about the few times she's praised her boys with her silly hashtags. It was always about something they'd done for her. Never just for, well, being her boys. Their value to her is based on some sort of merit system. And, sadly, I guess C never did hold up his end in her eyes.
@Tucker's Mom Honestly,it'd be pretty dumb of radar to be making this stuff up.Unless you're a Kate fan who believes in Kate's conspiracy that because she's a celebrity that people will go after her.There's no reason for Radar to tell this info if they didn't have proof.Im not sure if Kate could sue for dissemination of intimate information since Radar didn't say the name of the place he was at.
Jamesvader1194 said... 36 So some of Kate's fans mock the Kate haters for saying they don't know anything for a fact about Kate visiting or not visiting Collin.Well how do they know Kate visits him?In fact,Kate has never said she's visited him ***** Think about it. Why would you leave that out? Your son is gone for 6 months when you do your press junket, and you're asked about a 12-year old child you sent to live at a facility. Why on earth would Kate not mention that she's seen him? She says she knows where he is, but NOTHING about seeing him, visiting, interacting, talking on the phone. It makes no sense other than to presume Kate has had very little interaction with Collin, and he's not doing all that great, what with his chugging and plugging along.
While i understand privacy things,telling people you'd visited him is not exposing his privacy. 8**** Bingo. Kate has to know how bad it looks to go for half a year without mentioning that you've visited your child!
When Kate says, "we talk nearly daily about visiting again", is she referring to the voices in her head? Because kids move on. They don't sit and pine about past vacations daily.
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She's not gabbing with the kids daily about visiting AU/NZ! lol
Tucker's Mom, on one of the shows that Kate was on she was asked if she visited Collin, and she said absolutely. A child of mine is in an out patient treatment program for anxiety and panic disorder, these programs are family orientated. I wouldn't be giving out additional information if I was Kate. Kate is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.
Jamesvader1194 said... 44 @Tucker's Mom Honestly,it'd be pretty dumb of radar to be making this stuff up.Unless you're a Kate fan who believes in Kate's conspiracy that because she's a celebrity that people will go after her ****** Agree- I think Radar has solid intel on Collin's whereabouts. Or, at least that he was there at one time. Otherwise, Kate would 'can we sue' them.
Philly 4 for 4 said... 47 Tucker's Mom, on one of the shows that Kate was on she was asked if she visited Collin, and she said absolutely. A child of mine is in an out patient treatment program for anxiety and panic disorder, these programs are family orientated. I wouldn't be giving out additional information if I was Kate. Kate is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't. ****** I didn't realize she said she sees Collin. I'm glad your child is able to be help on an outpatient basis.
That said, Kate is damned because she splashed Collin's news in the tabloids and got paid to do so. She's damned because she continues to make her kids film and gets paid to do so. She's damned because she's seemingly having the most gleeful, wonderful times of her life while Collin is wherever, and one day (if he hasn't already), he'll see how manically happy his mother was with her puppies! and vacations! and the cherry on top- Collin's birthday party. The best EVER. She's not erring on the side of privacy for that child.
There's a lot of speculation as to why the twins don't want to drive. I see it differently. I wonder if they are so enmeshed with their sick mother and HER desires to even know what they really want. If Kate wanted them to drive, it would happen whether the girls cared to do so or not. I suspect that she wishes to keep those kids as isolated as possible, being the abusive, self-centered, control-freak that she is. If the twins had the ability to leave the house and enjoy themselves, what's in it for her? What if they discover that life is better outside of her grasp? What if they tell others what kind of a person she really is? I think keeping those girls isolated benefits Kate, so that's why it's happening.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 43 . . . And, sadly, I guess C never did hold up his end in her eyes. ____ And isn't that just bizarre? When in almost every episode he seemed to be the one trying his hardest to please her? Again, based on what has been shown in the show, it is just hard to believe that this child has/had issues so severe that he had to be removed from the home. Either there's a lot of terrible footage that lies in an archive somewhere, or there's a lot more to this story than just K8's vague blathering about "special needs."
Philly 4 for 4 said... 47 Tucker's Mom, on one of the shows that Kate was on she was asked if she visited Collin, and she said absolutely. _____ Do you have a link? Cuz I think I looked at most every one, and do not recall her saying this.
She is evil said... 51 There's a lot of speculation as to why the twins don't want to drive. I see it differently. I wonder if they are so enmeshed with their sick mother and HER desires to even know what they really want. ***** No doubt some of the kids have and will be putting taking care of Kate before themselves. Kate's bff's the twins-Mady especially-and she has their loyalty. It will be hard for them to make (good) selfish decisions without the guilt of their mother on their minds.
It will be interesting to see if Kate gets very proactive about college and college choices. Without filming it, that is.
Sad but true said... 52 FlimsyFlamsy said... 43 . . . And, sadly, I guess C never did hold up his end in her eyes. ____ And isn't that just bizarre? When in almost every episode he seemed to be the one trying his hardest to please her? ****** OMG yes!
TFW also responded "Yep!" when a fan asked if she was still friends with former BFF, and her kids admitted "second mommy," Beth. Beth refuted that, and described the ugly end to their friendship. So things coming out of TFW's mouth or Twitter fingers don't mean jack to me.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 58 TFW also responded "Yep!" when a fan asked if she was still friends with former BFF, and her kids admitted "second mommy," Beth. Beth refuted that, and described the ugly end to their friendship. So things coming out of TFW's mouth or Twitter fingers don't mean jack to me. ***** That's the bottom line for me. Kate's a lying liar who lies. Beth came out of hiding, very briefly, to let it be known what happened with the book SHE WROTE, and that she and Kate indeed do not talk. Kate destroyed that relationship with two of the most generous people I've ever seen. Kate didn't want to be friends with Beth. She wanted what Beth had.
Philly 4 for 4 said... 48 Tucker's Mom, on one of the shows that Kate was on she was asked if she visited Collin, and she said absolutely. ---------------------
On GMA, when discussing Collin, Kate was asked "is there any contact", not if she visited him. She replied "Oh, yeah. Definitely, but it's not the same as being at home".
This convo takes place at approx. 1:18 in the video.
"Contact" doesn't mean she visits him. Contact could mean speaking by phone or just speaking with place where he is located.
I find it odd that the interviewer asked "if there was any contact" rather than "do you see him often". Perhaps, that was a pre-arranged question, so Kate could give the impression she sees him, without really saying whether she does or not.
I'm another one who hasn't heard or read Kate saying absolutely she sees Collin. I haven't seen it discussed here. If she has. great.
Regarding the twins driving, in the last episode Cara said she thought it would be great to be able to drive to her Lacrosse games, however they're an hour away and she wouldn't be allowed to drive that far.
Tucker's Mom (#59), notice how TFW thanked her Australian "friends" for offering to send her vegemite. It's like I've said before -- to her, a friend is someone who does sh*t for you. But once you don't know how to help her, you're out. Just look at the bodies strewn about by the curb -- including the father of her 8 kids.
So according to this one fan,Radar is making stuff up because they're not telling Jon where collin is/was? Drunkin Hines @DrunkinHines @radar_online Jon doesn't even know where his kid is and yet Radar does and doesn't tell him? Yeah, ok. Your writer sucks and make shit up.
I watched the 16th Bday episode last night and noticed a few things I haven't seen mentioned.
The gator the girls were pretending to be taking a "driving lesson" in looked brand new, like it hadn't been out of the garage since it was last used for an episode. The tires looked like they'd never seen dirt or mud and rarely even pavement, the seats didn't have a spot or smudge of dirt on them, the payload deck was clean except for a few tiny twigs. Heck, it didn't even have any dust on it. I don't think the darned thing is ever used - unless it's needed for a show - and then it gets very light duty.
The clapboard the 3 girls used at the beginning of the show was dated 11/13/16. Previous episodes were dated 11/12 which was a Saturday, the 13th was Sunday. It looks like the kids don't have to give up just one day of their weekends, but both.
And, TFW's salmon patties... Did you notice she was wearing the loose fitting semi-clear thin plastic gloves you see food employees wear? Maybe I'm the odd-one-out, but I don't know anyone personally who wears them in their own kitchens for food prep.
The party? TFW said the girls had been talking and planning it for a year yet Cara said she didn't want a party at all (and appeared to be totally uninterested @ the details) and Mady strongly said it was TFW who wanted them to have one. Is anyone surprised about this? LOL I'm sure TFW had been planning this for an episode idea for 10 years at least!
The craft project that Brownlow supervised seemed chaotic to me and she even told Aeden to knock off his goofing around. The space they used for this looked tiny and I wondered where they were. The space had heavy fabric looking walls. Later in the episode they showed a larger shot of the basement and low and behold, there was the big bundle of drapes/canvas gathered together, hanging from the ceiling. Did TFW insist on these temporary "walls" so her basement didn't get dirty? They've shown the basement before, so I don't think they'd go to the trouble and expense of putting this up to hide the rest of the room from view. But why would it be necessary to protect a room this way with almost 13 year olds?
I really have a problem watching the kids always taking care of TFW (parentification), worrying about how she's going to react to something and not being able to express their own emotions nor ever really feeling protected by her. I think the 4 who see Jon know he's a safe person they can go to and express themselves and be vulnerable, but with TFW, that's never going to happen. Gawd, those kids need an intervention and to experience some intensive healthy parenting and appropriate role modeling. I can't imagine them navigating adult relationships.
TFW also responded "Yep!" when a fan asked if she was still friends with former BFF, and her kids admitted "second mommy," Beth. Beth refuted that, and described the ugly end to their friendship. So things coming out of TFW's mouth or Twitter fingers don't mean jack to me. ***** That's the bottom line for me. Kate's a lying liar who lies. Beth came out of hiding, very briefly, to let it be known what happened with the book SHE WROTE, and that she and Kate indeed do not talk. Kate destroyed that relationship with two of the most generous people I've ever seen. Kate didn't want to be friends with Beth. She wanted what Beth had.
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Yep, that's TFW. When asked if she's still friends with someone, of course she says, yep, but fails to add the facts that she refuses to see them, refuses to talk to them, ie: has cut them out of her life, but suuure... they're still friends.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 58 TFW also responded "Yep!" when a fan asked if she was still friends with former BFF, and her kids admitted "second mommy," Beth. Beth refuted that, and described the ugly end to their friendship. So things coming out of TFW's mouth or Twitter fingers don't mean jack to me.
---- Didn't Beth mention in the article that she sees TFW in stores and they don't speak? Why is she lying and bringing the kids into this? Piece of work.
I watched the show on the link posted above, and IMO there is a lot of dissension in that house. The girl tups like Aaden, and not Joel; Alexis smacking Aaden in the house, Cara spoke in the clip but barely; Collin gone, Kate having HUGE meltdowns and clinging to Mady. Can you imagine what it is like when they aren't filming? What a nightmare!
I watched the show on the link posted above, and IMO there is a lot of dissension in that house. The girl tups like Aaden, and not Joel; Alexis smacking Aaden in the house, Cara spoke in the clip but barely; Collin gone, Kate having HUGE meltdowns and clinging to Mady. Can you imagine what it is like when they aren't filming? What a nightmare!
"Contact" doesn't mean she visits him. Contact could mean speaking by phone or just speaking with place where he is located.
I find it odd that the interviewer asked "if there was any contact" rather than "do you see him often". Perhaps, that was a pre-arranged question, so Kate could give the impression she sees him, without really saying whether she does or not.
*** Thanks, KIAT. "Contact" is a very odd word when speaking about a 12-year old child.
The clapboard the 3 girls used at the beginning of the show was dated 11/13/16. Previous episodes were dated 11/12 which was a Saturday, the 13th was Sunday. It looks like the kids don't have to give up just one day of their weekends, but both.
And, TFW's salmon patties... Did you notice she was wearing the loose fitting semi-clear thin plastic gloves you see food employees wear? Maybe I'm the odd-one-out, but I don't know anyone personally who wears them in their own kitchens for food prep. ***** Sounds like TLC decided to wrap up getting these episodes in the can and packed a weekend with couch interviews. Nice to make the kids work their weekend away. I wear gloves occasionally for handling food in my kitchen. I buy large boxes from Costco. It's VERY handy when dealing with raw meat and garlic. With Kate's nails, I'd be happy she covered her hands if she was prepping my food!
Kate has sugarcoated this situation with Collin. He lives in a locked down facility, not a boarding school. It's more than a "disability". January 6, 2017 at 11:02 AM ***** There are terrible stories and rating on this health system if you Google it. I really think the sheep have this notion of Collin being in this wonderful, homey facility where he's getting the best of everything, surrounded by friends and ponies. I can't believe that anyone could enjoy Kate and her show when they have no clue what Collin's life is like. It seems so cold.
The girl tups like Aaden, and not Joel; Alexis smacking Aaden in the house, Cara spoke in the clip but barely; Collin gone, Kate having HUGE meltdowns and clinging to Mady. Can you imagine what it is like when they aren't filming? What a nightmare!
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One can only hope things are better and not worse, and all of that dissension is drama for the purpose of filming.
She is simply the worst. The Arrnots Tim Tams are indeed available in the US. As is vegemite. Even if they weren't, what is the point of her screenshotting her purchase. ? Attention whoring at its finest. I've sent my dd at college TimTams from Amazon. Wtf is the big deal? So bizarre. She is so gross.
KIAT (#60), good point about that "contact" question being approved ahead of time. If in fact TFW had seen her son, and her other kids had seen him, I can't imagine there'd be a reason to not say something like, "Oh, we've all seen him. And look forward to him being home with us." But to just agree with, yeah, I have contact with him? Like he was her accountant?
Jillygee said... 78 She is simply the worst. The Arrnots Tim Tams are indeed available in the US. As is vegemite. Even if they weren't, what is the point of her screenshotting her purchase. ? Attention whoring at its finest. I've sent my dd at college TimTams from Amazon. Wtf is the big deal? So bizarre. She is so gross.******
Both things are not hard to get and really, not THAT expensive for a treat. And b.s. on Australia being brought up every other day in that house, unless Kate is whining about wanting another trip there with Steve. I'm sure that was a lovely couple of weeks for them.
You'd eat her food? You're a glutton for punishment! ***** I felt for Katie Couric when she had to eat Kate's pizza. Hoped she got hazard pay. Seriously, Kate's food has never looked inviting.
I wouldn't recommend baggy food handling gloved, just fyi. They are clumsy and not good for safety if you're doing knife work. I like the form-fitting disposables and the more I use them, the more I use them.
Did Kate actually say she visits Collin? I thought she was asked if there is "contact" and she said yes or absolutely.
But "sources" said neither she nor the kids have seen Collin.
I don't believe Kate anyway. She's a liar. I also think she possibly isn't allowed to see him because she's been abusive to him and it won't help him to see her.
I'm not getting the food preparation thing wearing gloves. I totally understand it when working in a restaurant and/or fast food place, but cooking at home? Why?
FlimsyFlamsy said... 81 KIAT (#60), good point about that "contact" question being approved ahead of time. If in fact TFW had seen her son, and her other kids had seen him, I can't imagine there'd be a reason to not say something like, "Oh, we've all seen him. And look forward to him being home with us." But to just agree with, yeah, I have contact with him? Like he was her accountant?
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Sad that Collin couldn't pull a Andy Dupree. Collin laundering all the cash from the church tours, cash that came in the mail, cash out of the love offerings. Dig his way out of the compound on a dark, rainy stormy night!
God love that poor baby! Dear Lord in Heaven, please don't let him be involved with the bad things that go on there!
I believe her mental illness numbs her so bad from her from feeling any sympathy or remorse for what she has done to Collin and all of the children.
SAD to see her more concerned about the hairdresser FINALLY showing up over her own son in a place that is dangerous.
I wonder if the salmon was trashed when the party was moved.
She should of been made to eat it the next day and if she didn't, she should of been offered again and who cares about old and bacteria? She has to eat it regardless.
Just like her kids used to until a judge made her stop.
I don't believe Kate anyway. She's a liar. I also think she possibly isn't allowed to see him because she's been abusive to him and it won't help him to see her.
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We're not sure where he is, nor what the facility's visitation policies are, nor the prescribed treatment by the therapists/professionals, nor exactly why he is there, so we really can't say with any kind of certainty that she isn't allowed to visit him because of alleged abuse on her part. We can speculate until the cows come home, but I wonder if we'll ever really know the full story and the truth. Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that information?
Deliverance said... 87 I'm not getting the food preparation thing wearing gloves. I totally understand it when working in a restaurant and/or fast food place, but cooking at home? Why?
Deliverance said... 87 I'm not getting the food preparation thing wearing gloves. I totally understand it when working in a restaurant and/or fast food place, but cooking at home? Why? January 6, 2017 at 1:52 PM &&&&&&&& Kate was prepping salmon which can leave a smell on your hands, and she was prepping for a group of people. I like using gloves for handling raw meat. It's just less worry about cross contamination. Toss them and go. Also, I have nails, not long, but long enough and I don't like to get gunk under them. Also, I wonder if someone suggested that Kate wear gloves on camera after the bird flew into the cake!
Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that information?
****** I have a feeling we'll find out from Collin or one of his siblings. We will never get the truth from Kate, but I have a feeling the kids will want to tell their stories.
Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that information? January 6, 2017 at 2:11 PM ****** It's a good question and a unique one when it comes to Kate and what she's done already. On the one hand, we have a 12-year old child whose mother has announced to the world that because of emotional/behavioral, what have you, problems, he's been sent away for professionals to deal with. On the other hand, we have a 12-year old boy who has been gone for a painfully long time, with no word on his condition, his progress (plugging is not progress), his prognosis, his general well being even or even any hint of when and IF he'll ever return home. I would argue that I hope there are powers that be that know where this child is and if he's being helped, served, and given care and quality of life.
As a parent, wouldn't you try every single last ditch effort to help your child before you sent him away?
I don't know what Kate did try, but I do know what she didn't. She didn't try sending Collin to live with his father.
I've always known she hates Jon more than she loves her kids, but you would think her fans and admirers would have picked up on that fact when she sent Collin away.
As a parent, wouldn't you try every single last ditch effort to help your child before you sent him away?
I don't know what Kate did try, but I do know what she didn't. She didn't try sending Collin to live with his father.
I've always known she hates Jon more than she loves her kids, but you would think her fans and admirers would have picked up on that fact when she sent Collin away.
Hoosier Girl ***** It's disturbing that there are so many sheep out there who not only don't question a mother who refused to prevail upon the father of her son for help (even though he has publicly BEGGED to see his son) with his his son's issues, but praise her for institutionalizing him without even trying everything at her disposal.
If that's not hating your ex more than you love your kid, I don't know what is.
Moreover, the sheep just move along and forget the poor boy like he's just gone to college.
I'm sure wherever Collin's at, it is certainly not like college.
I don't know what Kate did try, but I do know what she didn't. She didn't try sending Collin to live with his father.
I've always known she hates Jon more than she loves her kids, but you would think her fans and admirers would have picked up on that fact when she sent Collin away.
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Does anyone know that she "sent Collin away?" What if the advice given her was that he needed to go a treatment facility, and that going to Jon was not an option and was not the answer to whatever his issues are? We can do armchair psych diagnosis, but neither we, nor the fans, really know the details of the Collin situation.
That is, none of us except Milo. I'm sure that Kate kept her up to date, day by day, as to what was going on, where he is, his prognosis, etc.
"Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that information?"
He deserves his privacy, but the public got attached to him through the show and are concerned for his well being. Kate is such a bad mother you wonder if the best is being done for him. One of many reasons children shouldn't be on reality TV. The public will want to know about his troubles whether it's right or not.
nc girl (#99), well put. Like TFW said, she made her life our business. Many of us could rattle off a list of times we saw her treat that boy unkindly on camera, as well as her own journal description of beating him to the point she thought she was going to seriously hurt him. And how about that letter to him in the book, which was basically, I love ya, but, boy, raising you has been a nightmare. Armed with that kind of information, is it any wonder some of us are feeling genuine concern for C's well being? And a lot of doubt as to just how hard his mother tried to help before things got to this point?
Kate is such a bad mother you wonder if the best is being done for him. ***** Another thing which affects Collin's situation in particular is that we know what Kate is capable of through her journals. This woman severely punished her little toddlers for pooping or spilling beans. Kate has a very bad temper and a penchant for using implements to strike her children. She also has a history of ignoring problems in her children for long periods of time. So yes, many are a bit dubious about how forthcoming Kate has been about Collin and fear for him. Were this a woman who we didn't think had severe mental problems, I would probably be taking her at her word.
I wear gloves if I'm working with jalapeños and when prepping things like meatloaf, etc. I wear the form fitting kind because they're easier to work in when chopping things.
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I don't believe Kate anyway. She's a liar. I also think she possibly isn't allowed to see him because she's been abusive to him and it won't help him to see her.
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We're not sure where he is, nor what the facility's visitation policies are, nor the prescribed treatment by the therapists/professionals, nor exactly why he is there, so we really can't say with any kind of certainty that she isn't allowed to visit him because of alleged abuse on her part. We can speculate until the cows come home, but I wonder if we'll ever really know the full story and the truth. Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that information?
We're not sure where he is, nor what the facility's visitation policies are, nor the prescribed treatment by the therapists/professionals, nor exactly why he is there, so we really can't say with any kind of certainty that she isn't allowed to visit him because of alleged abuse on her part. We can speculate until the cows come home, but I wonder if we'll ever really know the full story and the truth. Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that information?
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I said POSSIBLY.
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Yes, you did, and if you took my comment as criticism, or an attack, or as argumentative, I am sorry. That was not my intention, and I apologize. My comment was to point out that we really don't know why he is there, what his treatment is, if it had anything to do with alleged abuse, and to ask the question is anyone, other than his family and mental health care professionals, really entitled to know.
Meals: Kate said the room service menu selection for breakfast would be fine. She specified the following exact menu items for lunches for two days, and dinners for two or possibly three days.
Wednesday dinner: Kobe beef tips cooked medium to medium well; steamed broccoli; mashed potatoes; French fries; organic blueberries; and vanilla ice cream.
Kate asked that a mixed green/ grilled chicken salad option be provided for the adults. She listed these ingredients to be used in the salad: grilled chicken, cucumber, tomato, sliced strawberries or pears, feta cheese crumbles, pecans.
Wednesday dinner: Kobe beef tips cooked medium to medium well; steamed broccoli; mashed potatoes; French fries; organic blueberries; and vanilla ice cream. Kate asked that a mixed green/ grilled chicken salad option be provided for the adults. She listed these ingredients to be used in the salad: grilled chicken, cucumber, tomato, sliced strawberries or pears, feta cheese crumbles, pecans.
French fries; onion rings; dill pickles and steamed seasoned green beans on the side; and vanilla cake with vanilla icing (with a mixed green/ grilled chicken salad option for the adults).
Friday lunch: Peanut butter and grape jelly on wheat bread (Kate specified whole grain bread with no “obvious” grain in it); potato chips; fruit salad with blueberries, bananas, apple, grapes, strawberries, kiwi, and pineapple; Monterey Jack cheese cubes; and oatmeal raisin cookies.
(With a substitute for the adults of ham and cheese sandwiches on wheat with lettuce, tomato and onion and horseradish spread; and a mixed green/ grilled chicken salad.)
Friday dinner (if they were still there): Pizza - cheese, pepperoni, onion and green peppers in different configurations; French fries; steamed broccoli; and chocolate brownies (with a mixed green/ grilled chicken salad
Option for the adults). Kate requested these additional specific items from Whole Foods in the main suite only:
packaged cookies; 2 packages of individually packaged peanut butter crackers and/ or cheese crackers. Kate then thanked Wendy and told her that having these things would alleviate some of the stress of traveling! She then very graciously told Wendy that, as always, “we really appreciate you!!!!! :)”.
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What's funny here is, she wouldn't feed her kids this much food at home. It is feast or famine with her.
Midnight Madness said... 105 My comment was to point out that we really don't know why he is there, what his treatment is, if it had anything to do with alleged abuse, and to ask the question is anyone, other than his family and mental health care professionals, really entitled to know.
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Well put, and that is the question, isn't it? In my opinion, no we are not entitled to know. Who are we to that child other than a group of strangers who have spent an inordinate amount of time discussing his family? Because we care about him, is that considered a ticket to know his most personal history?
Sorry, Midnight. I forgot to say that rider was from Robert's book when Snowflake FW would stay at the Essex House when doing show appearances with the kids.
Don't you know they couldn't wait till she checked out of there?
GollyGee (#110), notice when it was on someone else's dime, TFW got organic juice for her kids. But at home, she served the Juicy Juice they'd gotten for free -- with the bottle faced out for the camera to see.
That reminds me of a funny "King Of Queens" episode. Doug is needed as an expert witness at a deposition with the law firm Carrie works for. They order in lunch, and she's mortified when he orders jambalaya. But he couldn't resist -- it was free!
GollyGee said... 110 Sorry, Midnight. I forgot to say that rider was from Robert's book when Snowflake FW would stay at the Essex House when doing show appearances with the kids.
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When I've copied and pasted from Robert's book the identifying info has always been automatically included at the bottom without me doing anything. It may be different on different devices though.
Please everyone. try to remember to use quotes around what you C&P in your comments whether from Robert's book or from another website. Their work is copyrighted and we may be violating that if we don't give the proper credit, as well as it just being the polite thing to do. ;-)
(not lecturing, but just giving a reminder because Admin, and the poster could get into trouble especially if it's more than just a brief sentence or two)
We're not sure where he is, nor what the facility's visitation policies are, nor the prescribed treatment by the therapists/professionals, nor exactly why he is there, so we really can't say with any kind of certainty that she isn't allowed to visit him because of alleged abuse on her part. We can speculate until the cows come home, but I wonder if we'll ever really know the full story and the truth. Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that ******* If she has abused Collin, yes the public is entitled to know. If the rumors of him having his wrists tied, of him being locked in his room, of him being ostracized at dinner, of him being locked out of the house etc etc are true, then the public and society are most definitely entitled and obligated to know. If she denies these atrocities, if she uses her platform to try and defend herself, to justify herself, to manipulate us and society into feeling sorry for her, then yes we are entitled. Silence is sweeping it under the rug. She gets to set the scenario, set the narrative, say whatever she wants to gaslight societ...Colin's truth (THE truth)should be spoken.
OT: greetings from the heart of the latest Snowpocalypse! It's still coming down in central virginia. Plus Jim Cantore came all the way to Hampton / Norfolk to report! We drove to and from Nags Head lady night, had to check on house there, and it was really pleasant driving back at midnight. The mess had not started and the roads were EMPTY. HOORAY, get to stay home today!
Well said, and I agree. From so many other things, we have learned she's a fraud. If what is shown on TV is her "real" life, as she likes to say, then to the extent that she tries to sell a false image, the public has a right to know. And if what we see on cam is not her real life, then K8 AND TLC should be held to account for telling everyone this is the "realest reality," when in fact it is not. She and TLC are both responsible for propagating this deception. There are innocent lives involved in this, and in my mind that makes the deception particularly despicable.
On June 26, 2008, Kate received an email from a gentleman named Michael expressing how excited he and his wife were when they spotted some toys they had sent to the Gosselin children in the background of an episode of Jon & Kate Plus Ei8ht. Michael said they were thrilled to see that the kids had received them and seemed to enjoy them. He then told Kate that he and his wife were celebrating the recent birth of their 3rd child “… same name as one of yours- Aaden.”
He gave Kate their phone number and said that if she ever had a spare moment, his wife would love to chat and introduce herself. It is understandable that Kate should be extremely careful when dealing with strangers, but that certainly didn’t stop her from accepting their gifts.
Her greatest annoyance was that the gift-givers spelled their child’s name the same way as one of Kate’s boys. Kate complained, “These are the people that sent us the christian toys..... notice they used our spelling of Aaden... how annoying... fans naming their kids our kids names!”
Apparently, Kate thinks the names she chose for her children should have been retired, never to be used for another child again.
When I read this I thought, I think I remember reading that TFW NAMED some of the kids AFTER the McCaughey babies! I read that she was obsessed with Bobbi and the babies and all of the free stuff that people were giving them. But the difference in the parents is that many things that they did not need or use was given away. They are responsible stewards.
The McCaughly's have done a SUPERB JOB raising these kids! They are confident, strong, humble and just down right amazing!
After appearing on TODAY when they were only four days old, the seven children of Bobbi and Kenny McCaughey returned on Wednesday to show just how far they have come since making history. Kenny Jr., Alexis, Natalie, Kelsey, Nathan, Brandon and Joel, all now 17 years old, have made their parents wonder where all the time went as they begin their senior year of high school.
SEE? SHE DID! What a HYPOCRITE!
She named 2 of the babies the same name of the McCaughey babies!
Hoffman, Robert. KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD - THE RISE AND FALL OF A REALITY TV QUEEN (p. 62). . Kindle Edition.
Vanessa (#114), and it's maddening to me that TFW not only never seems to suffer any particularly negative consequences for her bad behavior, but has been rewarded with episode after episode, trip after trip, perk after perk.
TFW's preteen son was placed in a facility for very serious issues (if he's been in there for 7 months, I'd say that's a reasonable assumption). Did she take half a second to regroup and weigh her family's options? Attempt to respect the child's privacy and keep quiet about it? Put filming on hold until the whole family could be together again? Heavens, no. People interview, happy family photo shoot, big paycheck. Landing butter side up once again.
@Vanessa This reminds me of the duggar situation with Josh.When it became public knowledge about what Josh did to his sisters,the duggar fans kept complaining about how this information should of never been made public.Uh yeah the public should know because not only did they lie to everyone but also one of the kids is a sexual predator who the duggars family tried to hide that fact from the public.If the public never knew about the whole Josh thing then the 19 kids and counting show would still be on the air and people would act as though nothing is wrong with this family.Its like these fans would rather live in their fantasy world of what they see on T.V is real rather then the truth.i wouldn't be surprised IF the Kate fans would use the same argument the duggar fans used.
Jamesvader1194 (#120), you made a great point saying the fans would rather live in their fantasy world. Gladys has constructed a fantasy of TFW in her mind that no amount of facts can destroy. In her imagination, TFW is loving, hardworking, patient, kind determined, courageous, and on and on. And that fantasy must bring her some sort of pleasure or comfort, because she will not let go of it. Supporting TFW has become her raison d'etre, so she will never see or hear anything that sheds a negative light on her.
I always thought it was interesting that Kate named her oldest tup girl Alexis and her youngest tup boy Joel which is essentially the same as the Mcaughey septuplets.
JoyinVirginia said... 115 OT: greetings from the heart of the latest Snowpocalypse! It's still coming down in central virginia. Plus Jim Cantore came all the way to Hampton / Norfolk to report! ***** That's like getting the Pope's blessing! You are officially having a bonafide snow when Mr. Cantore shows up. I hope you're safe and enjoy the rare big dump of snow.
I almost wonder if the lack of contact is Collin''s decision. If HE told the facility he didn't want to see/speak to TFW. After all the abuse and being sent away, I wouldn't be surprised. Of course, TFW would also keep the kids away perhaps so they couldnt be questioned about things or involved in therapy so more things come out. Speculation of course but I wouldn't be shocked or blame him at all if this was the case.
We get a few chuckles out of the sheeples' cooking questions, the freezing of cookies, bread slicers, etc. I was looking at a slow cooker recipe that popped up on one of the food sites, and took a look, thinking that it would be a soggy mess in the morning.
Some of the questions/comments there made the Kate fans look semi-intelligent, such as "if the recipe makes 6 servings and you want to make it for 3 people, how do you do it? Do you make half the recipe, but do you use half an egg?" And, "when it's done, do you spoon it out?" to which someone replied, "No. You use chopsticks."
Gladys has constructed a fantasy of TFW in her mind that no amount of facts can destroy. In her imagination, TFW is loving, hardworking, patient, kind determined, courageous, and on and on.
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I haven't yet figured out who or what Gladys is. Does she have the SWF complex, does she want to be Kate's lover, or does she want to mommy Kate, advising her, protecting her from the evils of the world, sheltering her and fending off Kate's enemies? Or is it all three?
Anonymous said... 126 I almost wonder if the lack of contact is Collin''s decision. If HE told the facility he didn't want to see/speak to TFW ****** Good point, as is Kate requiring supervised visits/calls with Collin.
That's like getting the Pope's blessing! You are officially having a bonafide snow when Mr. Cantore shows up. I hope you're safe and enjoy the rare big dump of snow.
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Tucker's, did you get dumped on? We got a dusting; roads are clear and sidewalks can be broom-swept. I don't know how much Kate got in her area. Is she snowed in? Did she lose the trees in her driveway? I saw Milo's comment that the mega-storm fizzled out in her neck of the woods. The Atlanta area had been bracing for five inches or more. Milo says she's from the Deep South. Is that where she is?
She named 2 of the babies the same name of the McCaughey babies!
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Alexis was a very popular name back then. Maybe Kate just liked the name. Two of my friends named their babies Alexis and they weren't named after the McCaughey kids. The same was true for "Aaden," with various spellings. Hannah and Leah were also popular names. I'm not sure about "Joel," though, and how Kate came up with that one. Maybe the "JO" part had something to do with Jon's name. The boys' middle names are all family names.
Tuckers Mom, we are enjoying the snow! It's still falling! It's a light fluffy snow and not that heavy wet stuff that weighs down power lines, thank goodness! I have VCU basketball on TV vs U.Mass today, (their team traveled here Wednesday in advance of snowpocalypse). There is a pot roast in the crock pot (I learned so much about crock pot cooking from folks here! ) I'm packing up last of the Christmas decorations. We got the outdoor decorations put away last Sunday when it was 60 degrees and sunny, what a change! Thinking about birthday parties when my kids turned 16, we usually had family get together in afternoon and friend party in evening. The Kids loved snacks like chips and salsa and dip, bagel bites, nothing fancy, cake, ice cream. Clean the house, make a shopping list, get the food and put it out. Party prep does not have to be tense or hard.
Blowing (127)...lol! This is from an article (Accuweather) on how to survive a power outage in the winter:
"If the power goes out in a winter weather event, temperatures can drop significantly. Make sure to keep all doors to the outside shut. Use towels to block drafts coming in from window and door cracks."
I don't know about any of you, but in a power outage I always open all of the doors and windows and enjoy a blast of frigid air. Duh.
The public was made aware of Kate's treatment of Collin and some of the other children through RH's book. Not many seemed to care or want to kno ***** So it should not be pursued, re-exposed? How is justice served this way? How does someone face the consequences of their crimes? It's not dirty laundry, it's abuse and should be exposed and dissected...it's not PRIVATE. the is betting on that
@FlimsyFlamsy In all honesty,im one of those who are unsure as to whether Kate responds to Milo's DMs or any loyal fans for that matter.I sometimes wonder if Kate does reply to any of the DMs they've admitted to of sent Kate.I wonder what it is that have to send to Kate privately without anyone knowing?Would Kate even care?I can't image its anything unless its Kate that sends them private info about Collin,jon or any other private info.
Tucker's, did you get dumped on? We got a dusting; roads are clear and sidewalks can be broom-swept. I don't know how much Kate got in her area. ^^^^ We're north of the heavy bands, but it sure is purdy! Ironically, we're taking our Christmas decorations down while it's like a Holiday postcard outside ;-(
I have VCU basketball on TV vs U.Mass today, (their team traveled here Wednesday in advance of snowpocalypse). There is a pot roast in the crock pot (I learned so much about crock pot cooking from folks here! ) I'm packing up last of the Christmas decorations. We got the outdoor decorations put away last Sunday when it was 60 degrees and sunny, what a change! ****** We're channel surfing. Today's NFL games hold zero interest for me. We also got the outdoor stuff down last weekend-it was t-shirt weather! The white stuff should hang around a couple days with the chill. Not used to this! My face was hurting this morning when walking the dogs. I need to find my balaklava!
Lanc Native said... 134 Blowing (127)...lol! This is from an article (Accuweather) on how to survive a power outage in the winter:
"If the power goes out in a winter weather event, temperatures can drop significantly. Make sure to keep all doors to the outside shut. Use towels to block drafts coming in from window and door cracks."
I don't know about any of you, but in a power outage I always open all of the doors and windows and enjoy a blast of frigid air. Duh. ****** Well yeah...duh! Then, I pull in my generator and CRANK IT UP!!!
Clean the house, make a shopping list, get the food and put it out. Party prep does not have to be tense or hard. ***** It ain't a party if you're not losing your mind, Joy!
So it should not be pursued, re-exposed? How is justice served this way? How does someone face the consequences of their crimes? It's not dirty laundry, it's abuse and should be exposed and dissected...it's not PRIVATE. the is betting on that ____________
Exposed, re-exposed by whom? The general public?
The law/courts mete out justice, not the public. It's my understanding that there is to be a hearing before a judge. It's up to the parties involved to know what's going on. They're the ones who make the difference, not the public, not people on blogs.
Has exposing Kate's behavior on this blog made a difference in the lives of her children? It certainly doesn't appear to have made one.
There's a difference between "needing" to know and "wanting to know." Do we need to know the outcome of the court hearing or do we want to know? Will our knowing improve the lives of the G8. change custody arrangements?
No new IG post yet today, so Milo went back to the video of #NookiePookie and issued a gentle PR nudge:
miloandjack2016 Looks like you msy be getting some snow today? Time to get some pics of your pups in the snow? Especially #Nanuq...if you can find her in the white stuff? 😋 @kateplusmy8
"Especially #Nanuq"? Like K8 needs more encouragement to single out one pup over the other?
miloandjack2016 Looks like you msy be getting some snow today? Time to get some pics of your pups in the snow? Especially #Nanuq...if you can find her in the white stuff? 😋 @kateplusmy8 *** OK, now I agree with Admin- Milo might be a man. If she/shim thinks Nunu is white, she/shim's color blind. I couldn't lose my Bichon in the snow.
I think I found the salmon burger recipe Kate used. Someone should tweet it out to her fans.
In the episode, she couldn't find a recipe and she later found it under her cutting board. Someone here mentioned that it looked like one of the recipe cards that you get from Blue Apron.
So I googled Blue Apron salmon burgers, and sure enough, they have a recipe where you cook the salmon first!! Apparently adding eggs to the cooked salmon mixture helps to keep them moist.
Her greatest annoyance was that the gift-givers spelled their child’s name the same way as one of Kate’s boys. Kate complained, “These are the people that sent us the christian toys..... notice they used our spelling of Aaden... how annoying... fans naming their kids our kids names!”
Apparently, Kate thinks the names she chose for her children should have been retired, never to be used for another child again.
I remember when Brownie asked Kate if she could use one of her sayings? And Kate wrote back, "no you can't". As if it is copyrighted the moment Kate says it, does it, cooks it etc...
What's the great advantage of having both IG and twitter? Milo gets to be annoying twice as much.
From twitter:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 3h3 hours ago @Kateplusmy8 If you get some good snow...time to get pics of your #FluffyWhiteNanuq out there? #Mak will love it too! #PupsGottaHaveFun 😜
From IG:
miloandjack2016Looks like you msy be getting some snow today? Time to get some pics of your pups in the snow? Especially #Nanuq...if you can find her in the white stuff? 😋 @kateplusmy8
Jana 🌲 ⛄️ ❄️ @JanaSutter 1h1 hour ago Hey @Kateplusmy8 - are u going to share your recipe for salmon burgers u made in Mary and Cara's party episode?
Jana 🌲 ⛄️ ❄️ @JanaSutter @Kateplusmy8 I was excited to check if it was in your cookbook that I bought a few weeks ago and was sad to see it wasn't in there 😢
How was she able to purchase it? I thought it was only available for pre-order!
FlimsyFlamsy said... 119 Vanessa (#114), and it's maddening to me that TFW not only never seems to suffer any particularly negative consequences for her bad behavior, but has been rewarded with episode after episode, trip after trip, perk after perk.
TFW's preteen son was placed in a facility for very serious issues (if he's been in there for 7 months, I'd say that's a reasonable assumption). Did she take half a second to regroup and weigh her family's options? Attempt to respect the child's privacy and keep quiet about it? Put filming on hold until the whole family could be together again? Heavens, no. People interview, happy family photo shoot, big paycheck. Landing butter side up once again.
Believe it (or not), Karma is already screwing with Kate.
I saw a picture of her from last week's episode, and you can tell from her face, that she is a tortured soul. Her children are troubled, she's not happy, and she will never will be happy.
Folks like Kate are NEVER satisfied.
Sometimes, it's best to walk away and allow Karma to take care of things...
Tucker's Mom said... 97 As a parent, wouldn't you try every single last ditch effort to help your child before you sent him away?
I don't know what Kate did try, but I do know what she didn't. She didn't try sending Collin to live with his father.
I've always known she hates Jon more than she loves her kids, but you would think her fans and admirers would have picked up on that fact when she sent Collin away.
Hoosier Girl ***** It's disturbing that there are so many sheep out there who not only don't question a mother who refused to prevail upon the father of her son for help (even though he has publicly BEGGED to see his son) with his his son's issues, but praise her for institutionalizing him without even trying everything at her disposal.
If that's not hating your ex more than you love your kid, I don't know what is.
Moreover, the sheep just move along and forget the poor boy like he's just gone to college.
I'm sure wherever Collin's at, it is certainly not like college.
Methinks Gladys' fantasy of frolicking pups in the snow ain't gonna happen. I don't think #CrazyDogLady would be too happy with wet, muddy dogs coming in the house. She complained about her sons' room smelling "like boy." Can't imagine wet dog smell being one of her favorites either.
If we do get pictures of dogs in the snow, we'll know how truly desperate TFW is right now.
Sometimes, it's best to walk away and allow Karma to take care of things...
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Yes, but will TLC walk away? I doesn't appear so, and as long as she can grift, put her face out there, enjoy perks and vacations, hasn't that been her plan all along?
KIAT (#48), whoa, great detective work with the Blue Apron recipe. Which reminds me...didn't TFW say long ago that real cooks don't use recipes? Maybe that's why her cookbook flopped so badly -- it wasn't written by a real cook.
I'm with Deliverence on this one. The public doesn't need to know. The one who should decide what the public ever knows about this is Collin when he turns 18 and no one else.
There's a difference between "needing" to know and "wanting to know." Do we need to know the outcome of the court hearing or do we want to know? Will our knowing improve the lives of the G8. change custody arrangements? --------------
I understand what you're saying. I don't think we "need" to know anything about what is going on in court, it should be handled privately.
However, with that said, Kate put the whole situation out there in the first place. She didn't keep it private--she blasted the news out to the world, thus creating the whole "want"/"need" to know scenario, not only among her "haters" but also among her fans.
Kate made it everyone's business just by bringing something so personal to the table and continuing to feed the curiousity, all the while controlling the menu. She whetted the appetites of both fans and haters alike.
I have no "need" to know the details, however, I think most people here are concerned about what is going on with Collin, and "want" to know that he is okay, not just take his mother's word that he's "plugging, trucking, plodding,etc." along.
I'm with Deliverence on this one. The public doesn't need to know. The one who should decide what the public ever knows about this is Collin when he turns 18 and no one else.
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Ditto. Kate made it public, but that doesn't mean that we have a right to know everything about this. Of course we care about him, but speculating, guessing about all of this (what kind of facility, where is it, what are his issues) just seems to make the public appear to be intruding on what Kate should have been kept private, for Collin's sake. Some have called it a psych hospital, a mental health facility, a juvenile detention center, along other things. If Collin wants this information released when he reaches consenting age, then that's up to him.
Kate is a twit said... 160 There's a difference between "needing" to know and "wanting to know." Do we need to know the outcome of the court hearing or do we want to know? Will our knowing improve the lives of the G8. change custody arrangements? --------------
I understand what you're saying. I don't think we "need" to know anything about what is going on in court, it should be handled privately.
However, with that said, Kate put the whole situation out there in the first place. She didn't keep it private--she blasted the news out to the world, thus creating the whole "want"/"need" to know scenario, not only among her "haters" but also among her fans.
Kate made it everyone's business just by bringing something so personal to the table and continuing to feed the curiousity, all the while controlling the menu. She whetted the appetites of both fans and haters alike.
I have no "need" to know the details, however, I think most people here are concerned about what is going on with Collin, and "want" to know that he is okay, not just take his mother's word that he's "plugging, trucking, plodding,etc." along. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I agree!
The thing is, Hoffman's book really didn't get the press it needed. Not enough people read Radar Online. The general viewing audience of Kate Plus 8 are still in the dark about her abuse.
A few fans of the show (not the regular fanatical ones on Twitter) were very upset she went public in People about Collin's situation, that she discussed it publicly, and that she's still continuing filming all the fun family outings and parties without him.
If the general fans were really aware of the abuse she has leashed upon her children, Collin in particular, I think there would be a lot more public outrage against Kate and TLC.
Unfortunately, this blog and non-fan tweets, etc are only reaching a small percentage of her viewing audience.
If there was real PROOF or real sources to his abuse, that witnessed it themselves, etc I think the backlash against her could ruin her.
What large enough media outlet would be needed for this? I'm not sure.
So while I think Collin's situation SHOULD be private, I do not think Kate's part in it should be. If there is abuse involved, I feel that the public should know, since they are the ones supporting her and enabling her to continue the abuse and exploitation of the public.
I hope the outrage and support that Collin would get would be something positive in this situation. He seems to be going through it alone. How many people that really care about that boy are there to support him right now? I don't know...
Talking about adults. Besides his loving father, Jon, I think a great person to help Collin recover would be Aunt Jodi. Aunt Jodi is a sweet, kind loving soul, without a mean bone in her body.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if she could visit him, talk to him and comfort him? What if he asked for her?
"Wouldn't it be wonderful if she could visit him, talk to him and comfort him? What if he asked for her? "
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Not if it's recommended that he shouldn't have contact with any of his family, including Jodi, Kevin, father, siblings, aunts and uncles, grandparents.
I certainly hope that those treating him know what's best for him at this point, regardless of whom he wants to have comfort him.
So while I think Collin's situation SHOULD be private, I do not think Kate's part in it should be. If there is abuse involved, I feel that the public should know, since they are the ones supporting her and enabling her to continue the abuse and exploitation of the public. ***** Well put. It's beyond reasonable for TLC and Kate to continue filming on and on and on without Collin and without any notion of what's happened to him. By all means, keep Collin's diagnosis and treatment quiet, but also stop filming along like nothing's wrong. Like Collin doesn't even exist. Like he doesn't matter. Like he isn't missed. Like this doesn't profoundly affect his siblings. I don't know how people can suspend their disbelief episode after episode. This is a heinous charade that involves real ids. No way in hell they aren't experiences intense emotional turmoil. No way in hell this isn't going on behind the scenes. Kate comes across as a woman with ice running through her veins, and the children are being portrayed as though the haven't developed a conscience.
I hope the outrage and support that Collin would get would be something positive in this situation. He seems to be going through it alone. ****** THAT is what makes me feel the saddest. That this 12-year old boy has been sent away from his home, and I believe he is left hung out to dry, pretty much alone.
Not if it's recommended that he shouldn't have contact with any of his family, including Jodi, Kevin, father, siblings, aunts and uncles, grandparents.
I certainly hope that those treating him know what's best for him at this point, regardless of whom he wants to have comfort him.
***** I wonder if Collin's undergoing treatment, or just being warehoused somewhere.
So while I think Collin's situation SHOULD be private, I do not think Kate's part in it should be. If there is abuse involved, I feel that the public should know, since they are the ones supporting her and enabling her to continue the abuse and exploitation of the public.
I hope the outrage and support that Collin would get would be something positive in this situation. He seems to be going through it alone. How many people that really care about that boy are there to support him right now? I don't know.. ================
I thoroughly agree, and I think that's what people here really "want" to know. Not about the private issues with Collin, but exactly how complicit Kate is in this whole scenario.
I've seen posts on FB saying "yay, Collin is back!" for the next episode, but they don't seem to realize that it was filmed months before Collin actually left.
I will be curious to see how Kate plays this episode, only because she made Collin's disappearance her whole agenda for this season and now all of a sudden he's back.
The "tweet party" for this episode will really be interesting.
Whether it's for 7 kids or 8, you can bet TFW is already planning something for the tups' 13th birthday in 4 months. And praying it'll be on TLC's dime. If the show doesn't get picked up, she can probably at least swing a People birthday photo shoot to pick up the tab for whatever nonsense she plans.
Tuesday night's tweets should be interesting. I'm sure fans will think Collin is back home and will be telling her how happy they are to see him again. Her responses (if she does respond) will be especially interesting. If she doesn't, that will be telling.
I share Tucker's Mom's concern @167 wondering if Collin may just be 'warehoused' rather than receiving necessary treatment. I can only hope and pray this dear little child is getting the personal attention he needs after his mother has broadcast what a problem he has been for HER.
part in it should be. If there is abuse involved, I feel that the public should know, since they are the ones supporting her and enabling her to continue the abuse and exploitation of the public.
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bm (#172), your comment just reminded me about TFW's People interview. She said something like, C's situation was taking too much time away from her handling her other kids. Maybe that's why life is superfun at G Manor now -- without that little attention suck there.
Please excuse my snarky tone. I'm just feeling so badly for that poor child, who again and again tried to please his mother. Her "helper boy." Who most likely hasn't slept in his own bed in 7 months. Sigh.
So while I think Collin's situation SHOULD be private, I do not think Kate's part in it should be. If there is abuse involved, I feel that the public should know, since they are the ones supporting her and enabling her to continue the abuse and exploitation of the public. ____________
How should the public be informed? ROL is putting stuff out there. Who reads ROL other than celeb junkies? Kate's fans are for the most part young kids and a handful of moms. I don't think the LA Times or the Washington Post is going to do a feature article, nor will 20/20 or Dateline. The larger world, adults, don't even know who she is or that's she's still around...barely.
Kate is big news in her mind and on a couple of blogs, pro/con devoted to her. And to quote Kate, "That's never gonna change."
Just wanted to say I appreciate the courtesy with which everyone is responding to each other. There seems to be a difference of opinion about some things regarding C, but people are being kind and respectful.
Kate is big news in her mind and on a couple of blogs, pro/con devoted to her. And to quote Kate, "That's never gonna change." January 7, 2017 at 5:52 PM ****** You're right. I think Kate's D-list status keeps Collin's story-which I think is quite big and disturbing-out of the mainstream media. I do believe that one day, the whole tapestry will come to light and people will look upon these famewhore parents who sell their children for public consumption to be repulsive and scum.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 177 Just wanted to say I appreciate the courtesy with which everyone is responding to each other. There seems to be a difference of opinion about some things regarding C, but people are being kind and respectful. **** The respect and feeling of being heard here is quite refreshing.
msy said... 177 Just wanted to say I appreciate the courtesy with which everyone is responding to each other. There seems to be a difference of opinion about some things regarding C, but people are being kind and respectful. _____________
I agree. Eons ago I tweeted, when there was more humor--birds with no arms kinds of things. It was back when Walt was funny. I remember once he said Kate is so frustrating she could make a priest kick in a stained glass window.
Then the humor disappeared, sadly. I left when the Twitter haters started becoming vile.
Has exposing Kate's behavior on this blog made a difference in the lives of her children? It certainly doesn't appear to have made one.
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W don't know yet what difference public exposure of Kate's misdeeds will or won't do for the children, but what it comes down to is you either believe public figures should be criticized and exposed where warranted, or you don't. If you don't, that's fine, but it goes against the very spirit of free speech in this country, especially when one is selling themselves to the public as a public figure. To suggest any of this is hurtful to the kids is pure speculation, but I can't fathom a civilized discussion of these issues coupled with a great deal of genuine concern would bother any child so much as the initial disclosure to the public by his own mother. The kids aren't stupid. They know who put their private lives on TV. In this case, you really do have to shoot the messenger.
You're right. I think Kate's D-list status keeps Collin's story-which I think is quite big and disturbing-out of the mainstream media. I do believe that one day, the whole tapestry will come to light and people will look upon these famewhore parents who sell their children for public consumption to be repulsive and scum. _____________
I think that's very possible. However, I think it's a long way down the road. People aren't quite through with "reality" TV yet.
I'm a big advocate of streaming -- Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, PBS. I've seen such superb shows, many from other countries. Once people realize the myriad choices, things will change. People really don't like change. I've touted the advantages of streaming to many friends and they seem interested, but just aren't ready to check it out for some reason.
I have no "need" to know the details, however, I think most people here are concerned about what is going on with Collin, and "want" to know that he is okay, not just take his mother's word that he's "plugging, trucking, plodding,etc." along.
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That's where I'm at. I need no details. I don't care where he's at, though I do care if the facility is not up to par. But we have an abused and exploited child here. Let's keep talking about it. If just one parent makes a different choice after thinking over what Kate has done, that's a good thing.
Nothing was ever solved when it comes to abused and exploited children by saying well, let's keep this private, let's not talk about it. Exhibit A: PENN STATE.
I think that's very possible. However, I think it's a long way down the road. People aren't quite through with "reality" TV yet.
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Reality is mostly tanking actually. Apparently Celebrity Apprentice bombed, though I watched it and thought it was pretty decent. There are only a few reality shows left, and they almost all get low ratings. 1-2 million or lower. Remember, it used to be most of the prime time line up was reality shows. Not so anymore. I don't count shows like Shark Tank or game shows as reality, I'm talking about shows following around people in their "real" lives.
I think traditional reality shows have become just another niche area like tiny house shows or sci-fi. By no means makes up most of our TV offerings, but will always have a little spot on the lineup. Scripted TV, much of it streamed, dominates now. Much of it is VERY good, and the public knows it.
Alexis was a very popular name back then. Maybe Kate just liked the name. Two of my friends named their babies Alexis and they weren't named after the McCaughey kids.
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Nah, too much of a coincidence. Of all the names out there even the popular ones, to have TWO kids with the same name as the other septuplets---I don't think so. What a coinky-dink! Sorry, just wanted to say that. :)
Also, it was widely reported she was obsessed with that family. She paid attention to them. It wasn't like she just read the headline and then moved on like all the normal people did. She knew all those kids' names and she watched all the freebies they got.
So I googled Blue Apron salmon burgers, and sure enough, they have a recipe where you cook the salmon first!! Apparently adding eggs to the cooked salmon mixture helps to keep them moist.
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Oh, Blue Apron. I would argue if you add eggs to it that makes them salmon CAKES, not burgers.
Pet peeve, when people use the wrong name for food.
Speaking of salmon cakes, I really LOVE this recipe, made it several times:
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 182Nothing was ever solved when it comes to abused and exploited children by saying well, let's keep this private, let's not talk about it. Exhibit A: PENN STATE. ____________
Apples and oranges. Penn State got national exposure, millions more watched Penn State games than watch Kate. LOL Kate just doesn't rate the exposure necessary to be brought down.
Putting these goofy, egocentric celeb's lives under a microscope, fine. I, personally, draw the line when it comes to their children.
Admin (#183), not only are people watching the scripted shows they're crazy about, they are re-watching them. And chatting and tweeting about them afterwards. That's taking up more time and attention in their lives, leaving less room for shows like the wacky hijinks of a family of multiples.
Interesting that all the episodes of her show this season can be watched on demand (TLC) within 24 hours after it's aired. All the shows are listed except the last one with the twins birthday. Hmmmmm....
Admin (#185), whatever it was called, it was only a stunt dinner, probably enjoyed by the crew daddies and/or the dogs when the director yelled "cut" and it was time to leave for the real party. Heck, the salmon scene may have even been filmed after the real party. Because realest reality.
NOIP said: " Jon's father made a significant deposit on their first house with generous monthly donations. The second house came with Beth & Bobs generous financial help. TLC opened their wallet to put a fabulous deposit & closing costs + first month taxes. The $300,000 that came from second home sale was used to pay for the 23 acres. " --------- This all seems very specific. How do you know all of this? The only thing that seems reasonable and was reported on in the press is how Jon's father helped Jon and Kate. All of the other stuff I have never heard of.
I cannot imagine any long-term treatment for Collin where Jon, the father, is not a part of it. I would think it would be very important for both parents to have an integral part in his therapy. Collin is only 12 so he has many years ahead as a minor and under the care of his parents.
And you would think that the therapists would request joint counseling sessions with both parents. They need to be on the same page in parenting Collin. And the therapists need to explore why Collin is refusing to see his father. I think this is a must. To hell with Kate and what she wants or fears. Collin's needs are much more important than what she dictates to the therapists. The therapists must have picked up by now that Kate is alienating Collin from his father.
I was just curious about the actual numbers and saw the top rated shows from 2015-2016. You have to get to #12 before you get your first reality show, and that's The Voice, which I would argue is more of a musical/variety show than a "reality" show. No one is followed around in their real lives, no one has to be overly personal. Dancing With the Stars ranks and so does American Idol, but not until you get to a whopping number SIXTY-FOUR on the list does a "real" reality show rank, Teen Mom. Following that are just a sprinkling of other reality shows like Real Housewives and Amazing Race, the rest are scripted.
The fact that the highest a reality show that is following people around can rank is 64, says a LOT. Folks, the other 60 shows are mostly scripted television, with a few news or sports mixed in.
Reality shows are not only on their way out, they are already DONE. What's that saying? Don't put all your eggs in one basket, Kate. Diversify.
For those curious, the top five shows, excluding football, all of which are good scripted TV, are Walking Dead, Empire, Big Bang Theory, Game of Thrones, and X-files.
CC (#1), to answer your question, no. There is nowhere within a decent biking distance that the kids would want to go. It's pretty far for a bike ride , also hilly and curvy and narrow roads, the way Kate goes to the mall for the bus stop. Alternatively, they could bike down to business 422, I guess you could ride but not safest, they could get to a shopping center with Redners and Wendy's. I'm not sure how far, 2-3 miles from the house (shorter as the crow flies but not the roads). Closest is Phoebe, a retirement community where I guess they could get jobs serving in the dining room. Their house really isn't convenient for biking anywhere.
Apples and oranges. Penn State got national exposure, millions more watched Penn State games than watch Kate. LOL Kate just doesn't rate the exposure necessary to be brought down.
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Not really apples and oranges at all. The point is that when people remain silent when kids are getting hurt, it's wrong. It doesn't matter if it's one kid, 20 kids; it doesn't matter if it's a giant institution doing it or just one mother, not ONE child should ever be exploited, abused or hurt.
This is the logical fallacy argument that because there are bigger, badder things out there in the world, we should just move on from Kate. But no matter what cause you're interested in, you can ALWAYS find something worse, so that's pretty circular logic that with a sweeping brush discounts just about everybody.
It MATTERS that Kate is being called out for the child exploiter she is, even if it only matters for eight kids, one kid, or no kid at all. It's important to a lot of people to point out all the ways this is wrong, regardless of the outcome, although I think everyone is hoping for a better one that what has happened so far. Please don't scold people for taking an interest in one sweet, abused child's outcome. It's a manifestation of all the warnings and predictions we made all this time. There's an unfortunate "I told you so" component to this that one can only dare hope other parents who may be considering exploiting their kids notice.
Nothing was ever solved when it comes to abused and exploited children by saying well, let's keep this private, let's not talk about it. Exhibit A: PENN STATE.
That analogy doesn't work for me. In that case there were facts as one by one of the victims came forward with the same story. With Collin, we don't have the facts. We don't know if he was sent away, if he was removed from that home and Kate protested, we don't know if his issues involved violence (either to an adult or siblings), or if his behavior was such that he tried to harm himself.
"It was back when Walt was funny. I remember once he said Kate is so frustrating she could make a priest kick in a stained glass window."
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Wasn't Walt the Kelly guy here, the flip flopper who bounced back and forth from blogs to Twitter, bashing the previous place he had been? Am I confusing him with someone else?
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Sad but true (#191), isn't it interesting that the parent who claims to be the only one concerned about their privacy served her daughters up on a golden platter at a fan event, and now the dude is commenting on their bodies?
I'll say it again -- TFW wouldn't hesitate for a second to put the twins' dating life on film, if that's what it takes to extend the life of the show. She will not go out without a fight. No still never means no to her.
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Fortunately, I don't see that happening. Cara would likely take vows and enter a nunnery before she let K8 film her on a date. And Mady's not likely to ever get a date if she doesn't learn how to curb her mouth.
kateplusmy8 She does this at highest steps .. We make a wall to cash her tho if she should slip.. For real. But yeah now I am worried.. More so! @miloandjack2016
Who is cashing whom?
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When she put the word out about Polly Pockets, she asked for sets she could buy. At least pretending she wasn't trying to grift. But she loves to drop hints about things she wants, then praise fans for gifts. She actually posted that she didn't want people to send her stuff today, but I am not fooled. She was either ordered by someone to stop begging or realized that she's not fooling anyone. She probably expects that some will still send her stuff, and they probably will. The kids are old enough to be embarrassed by her grafting now. But I still believe she was pushing for free stuff. What other reason would there be to post the Amazon listing?
I don't understand why Milo doesn't do her "communicatin' in other ways" thing with K8, she's up to 6 comments on this IG post alone. And what would K8 know about "quality time" with her kids? You mean when she's crying and screaming and running around like a headless chicken?
miloandjack2016 Dont overthink it! LOL. If you ate taking those precations she seems really well balanced. Smart puppy there! @kateplusmy8
miloandjack2016@kateplusmy8 Im happy to see you are taking the time...making the effort to play w/your dogs! So important...like quality time w/your kids!! ❤
miloandjack2016 Has #Nanuq fully recovered from that surgery on her neck? So young to already have a growth...I worried about that! @kateplusmy8
kateplusmy8 She does this at highest steps .. We make a wall to cash her tho if she should slip.. For real. But yeah now I am worried.. More so! @miloandjack2016
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Yup, TFW could really cash in on it if Nookie Pookie slipped or crashed into them while jumping for the ball and the walls of Gosselin came tumbling down.
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@Kateplusmy8 is STILL beating those kids. She sent Collin to a mental institution because he wanted her to stop beating him ..he broke down.
Where is this coming from? What am I missing in this Collin situation? Do these non-fans just make up things as they go along, or is there truth to this?
Absolutely. My sister-in-law calls herself a vegetarian, not a pescatarian, and she eats fish.
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I'm guessing too since more people know what a vegetarian is, it's just easier to say that's what you are and avoid a bunch of confusion or questions, rather than go into all the nitty gritty details of what you do and don't eat and exactly what scientific name there is for what you are. In any case, fish is a very common "exception" to a no animal diet.
Is a member of the Univeral church, who is fish-eating vegetarian, called a pescatarian Unitarian?
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And will Mr. Deck man build them a deck?
And will Mr. Deck man build them a deck?
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Only if the person is a pescatarian Episcopalian.
it's just easier to say that's what you are and avoid a bunch of confusion or questions, rather than go into all the nitty gritty details of what you do and don't eat and exactly what scientific name there is for what you are. In any case, fish is a very common "exception" to a no animal diet.
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Does a vegetarian eat Escargots à la Bourguignonne?
I'm guessing too since more people know what a vegetarian is, it's just easier to say that's what you are and avoid a bunch of confusion or questions, rather than go into all the nitty gritty details of what you do and don't eat and exactly what scientific name there is for what you are. In any case, fish is a very common "exception" to a no animal diet.
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I was confused when Miley said she was pansexual. I didn't know if she were enamored with a cast-iron skillet.
I don't understand why Milo doesn't do her "communicatin' in other ways" thing with K8, she's up to 6 comments on this IG post alone.
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She wants Kate to respond in a public forum. If she does her communicatin' in other ways, nobody will know how close and intimate they are! There's a method to her madness. She needs to keep her name out there.
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Absolutely. My sister-in-law calls herself a vegetarian, not a pescatarian, and she eats fish.
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I'm guessing too since more people know what a vegetarian is, it's just easier to say that's what you are and avoid a bunch of confusion or questions, rather than go into all the nitty gritty details of what you do and don't eat and exactly what scientific name there is for what you are. In any case, fish is a very common "exception" to a no animal diet.
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You're not avoiding confusion by using the wrong term, you're adding to it. As an actual vegetarian, if you served me a piece of salmon it would no different than serving me a steak. I would politely avoid eating either. I don't want to be served something with fish content in a restaurant because people who eat fish decided to co-opt the vegetarian label and make people believe that vegetarians eat fish. We don't.
There are now people who eat chicken and call themselves pollo-vegetarians. Um, no. Eat chicken to your heart's content, but don't call yourself a vegetarian. It's misleading and confusing.
Maybe TFW is being Chatty Cathy to keep in touch with the fans ahead of Tuesday night's last show. Any day we should be hearing that the new episode is the #Best1Ever!
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@Kateplusmy8 is STILL beating those kids. She sent Collin to a mental institution because he wanted her to stop beating him ..he broke down.
Where is this coming from? What am I missing in this Collin situation? Do these non-fans just make up things as they go along, or is there truth to this?"
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I think there is truth to him being in a mental hospital but there is no proof or evidence of why he was sent there. Non-fans always seem to make stuff up with no proof whatsoever.
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The vegetarian conversation is pretty funny. No offense, but It's interesting what some people get riled up about.
Sorry, but some people don't consider fish meat. It's even in a separate section in the supermarket. There's the meat section and the seafood section. You have a butcher shop for meat, and a seafood market or fish market for fish.
Catholics don't eat meat for lent, but they eat fish.
It's very common for people who eat seafood but not "meat" to call themselves vegetarians. It's been commonplace for DECADES.
So basically it depends on the definition of meat to some people. Even the dictionary lists it as flesh of a mammal. Or flesh of a domesticated animal.
When you say "meat and potatoes" you don't mean to include fish.
Personally, I think if you're a vegetarian you shouldn't eat fish, but some vegetarians feel differently.
Speaking of supermarkets sections, why are eggs in the dairy section? Birds aren't mammals.
Sheepless In Seattle said... 3
kateplusmy8 She does this at highest steps .. We make a wall to cash her tho if she should slip.. For real. But yeah now I am worried.. More so! @miloandjack2016
Who is cashing whom?
January 5, 2017 at 8:01 PM
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They make a wall to catch the puppy if she slips and falls because they are playing catching on stairs?
Am I right?
And Kate is wondering if she really shouldn't be doing that?
Well, I have to say this about Milo, she cleans up Kate's messes in a flattering way in which it seems Kate listens to her.
Does a vegetarian eat Escargots à la Bourguignonne?
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Hmm...do snails have eyeballs?
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Me? I eat nothing that casts a shadow ;-)
NJGal51 said... 6
Yup, TFW could really cash in on it if Nookie Pookie slipped or crashed into them while jumping for the ball and the walls of Gosselin came tumbling down.
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I don't know if you meant it this way, but now I'm wondering if K8's got her pooches insured since they're now featured players on her show. Stranger things have happened.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 15
Maybe TFW is being Chatty Cathy to keep in touch with the fans ahead of Tuesday night's last show. Any day we should be hearing that the new episode is the #Best1Ever!
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Could be Kate's trying to keep the momentum from the ratings the twins brought this week.
I know she said Alexis was the one asking for Vegemite but I can't help but wonder if it wasn't Steve. New Zealanders and Australians are famous for their love of Marmite/Vegemite and I suppose she likes to keep some on hand for him.
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She has 23 acres for the dogs to run and play and catch balls, toys and frisbees!
So what does she and the kids do? They let the dogs catch the ball while on the stairs while they make a wall to stop the dog from crashing and getting hurt?
23 acres.
Of course, she has them insured.
You're not avoiding confusion by using the wrong term, you're adding to it. As an actual vegetarian, if you served me a piece of salmon it would no different than serving me a steak.
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Oh for pete sake. I'm adding to nothing because I would never serve you a piece of fish or actually, any food, without checking with you first to ensure it meets all your specifications because I'm not a rude host no matter how rude and picky my guests are and like most people I understand that there are a dozen variations on the theme of vegetarianism and I'm not going to sit here and try to guess what someone's mantra is.
It's your lot who have bastardized vegetarianism, not all the meat eaters who bend over backwards on a daily basis to accommodate mostly self-righteous diets. I was raised to eat what is in front of me when I am a guest in someone's home, I was also raised to accommodate someone's dietary needs who comes into my home no matter how rude and self-important they are being.
Why don't you go complain to your crowd, lecture them on what words to use. I'm sure it will go over real well.
She bought Steve his favorite sake, so vegemite for HIM makes sense.
Vegemite tastes like a bouillon cube. I gag. Most Americans hate it. When I was in Australia, I didn't really get the impression they liked it as much as they enjoyed serving it to their American friends, pretending it's like jam or nutella, not telling us to just use a THIN layer on our toast, so we glob it on like a typical piggy American, take a bite, and then, our faces!
Those Australians, they're hilarious.
Radar has a new post - "Does Kate Know? Son's Facility License Revoked After Patients Put In Danger".
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Oh for pete sake. I'm adding to nothing because I would never serve you a piece of fish or actually, any food, without checking with you first to ensure it meets all your specifications because I'm not a rude host no matter how rude and picky my guests are and like most people I understand that there are a dozen variations on the theme of vegetarianism and I'm not going to sit here and try to guess what someone's mantra is.
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Salmon is rather polarizing, like brussel sprouts. I would never just serve anything to guests without checking to see if they have any restrictions.
That's de rigueur nowadays when feeding people you whose dietary regime you are not familiar with.
At any rate, whomever this troll is was just trying to throw shade on me by choosing to nit pick my referring to one or both of the twins being "vegetarian".
Anyway, it goes back to Kate referencing making meatless meals for Cara, and the twins making meatless lasagna (which had cheese).
I don't care what you call it. Salmon burgers is an odd choice to me when it comes to feeding a lot of people.
In the end, the salmon was just a plot device for the show.
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Radar has a new post - "Does Kate Know? Son's Facility License Revoked After Patients Put In Danger".
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I wonder what makes them so sure this is where he is. I hope Jon has seen him.
Does Kate Know? Son’s Facility License Revoked After Patients Put In Danger
Collin Gosselin was placed in inpatient treatment for his special needs.
Is Collin in danger?
After Kate Gosselin confessed that her son was receiving treatment away from home, she assured fans that her troubled preteen was in good hands.
But RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned that the 12-year-old’s Philadelphia-based facility has had its license revoked after a slew of violations and repeated incompetency!
The inpatient treatment center — which Radar has chosen not to name for privacy reasons — broke so many rules this summer, the Pennsylvania Department of Human Services revoked their one-year compliance license and reissued a six-month provisional certificate.
According to official government documents, medications were given to patients without permission and in some cases, after prescriptions were discontinued.
At least two staff members failed to complete proper training within 90 days of hire.
Employees also made many administration errors, including neglecting to update patients’ treatment plans and failing obtain their signed consent to release sensitive information.
In one scary incident, a patient cut him or herself in the shower with broken glass, but a doctor neglected to show up to the unit.
Another patient made homicidal threats, but a suicidal/homicidal risk evaluation was not completed. Instead, a doctor had simply signed a blank form.
Reports indicate that the center will only be licensed until late February.
As Radar previously reported, the facility has been sued in the past for allowing patients to escape and others to get into vicious fights.
According to sources, Collin has suffered from extreme anger issues for many years, prompting Kate, 41, to send him to treatment.
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this poor kid. I have worked as staff in place like that and I would never let a child of mine end up like that. All those dsyfunctional children feed off each other and I have never seen a positive out come from warehouseing children in institutions. His mother dumped him and has isolated him from his father...what child wouldn't be angry? He would have been much better off if he was living with his dad.
Dear Lord, in Heaven! I hope Collin is not involved in any of the instances there! That poor baby! It makes me so angry that ROL is saying that SHE SENT HIM THERE! I believe he was taken by CPS/drs. because of the way she treats him!!! Because she would never send him because she wouldn't get paid for him not being on the show.
I would hate to know I had to be accountable for this on THE DAY of accountability that is coming up soon!
It is all on HER. That poor kid!
If you type the name of the facility we were pretty sure he is at, in this search, the license comes up as provisional. I can't find the report online, however. And the most recent correspondence shown is the cover letter and license from June. They must have done an inspection in August and placed them on provisional. But where did Radar get the details? I'd love to read the actual inspection report.
bm (#22), ah, good guess about the vegemite being for Steve, and not the kids. Are the kids allowed to handle the jar with bare hands, or do they need to use foil?
If TLC cancels her, maybe she can do an Australian series: 7 Plus Kite Plus Vegemite.
I too hope Jon has seen Collin and can arrange to either have him released into his care or placed somewhere more appropriate to deal with his issues. My heart aches for this sweet little fellow and can't help but wonder if she placed him in this particular institution for insurance purposes rather than paying out of her own pocket for a more suitable environment for such a young child. I can't get over how she mocked his mama bear/baby bear gift. His little heart must be broken.
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Sorry, here is the facility search link
http://dhs.pa.gov/citizens/searchforprovider/humanservicesproviderdirectory/index.htm
I'm wondering how TFW stays apprised of C's progress in this facility. Or does her "no news
is good news" policy also work for when your child is away from home?
So some of Kate's fans mock the Kate haters for saying they don't know anything for a fact about Kate visiting or not visiting Collin.Well how do they know Kate visits him?In fact,Kate has never said she's visited him.The only thing she said was that BS interview where she said"Oh hes just chugging along".Which that to me just sound like she doesn't give a crap about how he is.While i understand privacy things,telling people you'd visited him is not exposing his privacy.
As Radar previously reported, the facility has been sued in the past for allowing patients to escape and others to get into vicious fights.
According to sources, Collin has suffered from extreme anger issues for many years, prompting Kate, 41, to send him to treatment.
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this poor kid. I have worked as staff in place like that and I would never let a child of mine end up like that. All those dsyfunctional children feed off each other and I have never seen a positive out come from warehouseing children in institutions. His mother dumped him and has isolated him from his father...what child wouldn't be angry? He would have been much better off if he was living with his dad.
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Boy Interrupted.
locaylyocul said... 31
If you type the name of the facility we were pretty sure he is at, in this search, the license comes up as provisional. I can't find the report online, however. And the most recent correspondence shown is the cover letter and license from June. They must have done an inspection in August and placed them on provisional. But where did Radar get the details? I'd love to read the actual inspection report.
January 6, 2017 at 6:53 AM
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Radar seems pretty bold in printing things about this facility, so I tend to believe they've got solid confirmation that Collin is there.
If this is the case, what parent wouldn't pull their child out of there asap?
FlimsyFlamsy said... 35
I'm wondering how TFW stays apprised of C's progress in this facility. Or does her "no news
is good news" policy also work for when your child is away from home?
January 6, 2017 at 7:23 AM
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From the Collin-less shows and Kate's IG, that boy is out of sight, out of mind.
Kate was LOSING IT just thinking about her twins turning 16 and giving them the bestest party ever. Whenever she talks about Collin, her eyes are as dead as a shark's.
Moreover, eh, it's no biggie. You know, like sending a kid off to college.
I think Kate is relieved to get Collin out of her hair and clear the path to further unfettered filming.
Just like Jon.
The FAQ on the website for that treatment center says the average length of stay is two weeks. WTH
FlimsyFlamsy said... 199
What's with all the chitchat from TFW? New meds? Box o' wine?
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Maybe someone whispered in her ear that she needs to engage her fans for her "show" stay afloat?...
Sad but true said... 193
Aw look, K8 went back after 80 comments to say she wasn't grifting after all. Anyone believe her? Show of hands . . . And another BEST trip ever! Nothing's ever mediocre in K8World.
kateplusmy8 Thank you ...ALL of my Australian friends for all of your offers to send us our favorite Australian foods! Awww true to form, each and every one of you: kind, giving and truly 'no worries'! I wasn't asking you to send us stuff.. But truly, just seeing your offers reminded me of yet another reason why I love the land down under! The AMAZING people!! XO friends! We talk nearly daily about visiting again .. It was the BEST trip ever! (Ps: this applies to New Zealand as well:) @joanne_ciseau @brookereynolds21 @loveisfluid
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That's hysterical!
When Kate says, "we talk nearly daily about visiting again", is she referring to the voices in her head? Because kids move on. They don't sit and pine about past vacations daily.
Tucker's Mom (#39), yeah, poor C was just an obstacle to her. A liability. She's relieved he's out of the way. Have we heard one sincere syllable of remorse or sorrow from her to prove otherwise? Sounds like she showed more emotion about her hairdresser making it to the girls' Sweet 16 than she has about missing her son.
Think about the few times she's praised her boys with her silly hashtags. It was always about something they'd done for her. Never just for, well, being her boys. Their value to her is based on some sort of merit system. And, sadly, I guess C never did hold up his end in her eyes.
@Tucker's Mom Honestly,it'd be pretty dumb of radar to be making this stuff up.Unless you're a Kate fan who believes in Kate's conspiracy that because she's a celebrity that people will go after her.There's no reason for Radar to tell this info if they didn't have proof.Im not sure if Kate could sue for dissemination of intimate information since Radar didn't say the name of the place he was at.
Jamesvader1194 said... 36
So some of Kate's fans mock the Kate haters for saying they don't know anything for a fact about Kate visiting or not visiting Collin.Well how do they know Kate visits him?In fact,Kate has never said she's visited him
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Think about it. Why would you leave that out? Your son is gone for 6 months when you do your press junket, and you're asked about a 12-year old child you sent to live at a facility.
Why on earth would Kate not mention that she's seen him? She says she knows where he is, but NOTHING about seeing him, visiting, interacting, talking on the phone.
It makes no sense other than to presume Kate has had very little interaction with Collin, and he's not doing all that great, what with his chugging and plugging along.
While i understand privacy things,telling people you'd visited him is not exposing his privacy.
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Bingo.
Kate has to know how bad it looks to go for half a year without mentioning that you've visited your child!
When Kate says, "we talk nearly daily about visiting again", is she referring to the voices in her head? Because kids move on. They don't sit and pine about past vacations daily.
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She's not gabbing with the kids daily about visiting AU/NZ! lol
SHE IS WITH STEVE! and Gina is not invited!
Tucker's Mom, on one of the shows that Kate was on she was asked if she visited Collin, and she said absolutely. A child of mine is in an out patient treatment program for anxiety and panic disorder, these programs are family orientated. I wouldn't be giving out additional information if I was Kate. Kate is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.
Jamesvader1194 said... 44
@Tucker's Mom Honestly,it'd be pretty dumb of radar to be making this stuff up.Unless you're a Kate fan who believes in Kate's conspiracy that because she's a celebrity that people will go after her
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Agree- I think Radar has solid intel on Collin's whereabouts. Or, at least that he was there at one time.
Otherwise, Kate would 'can we sue' them.
Philly 4 for 4 said... 47
Tucker's Mom, on one of the shows that Kate was on she was asked if she visited Collin, and she said absolutely. A child of mine is in an out patient treatment program for anxiety and panic disorder, these programs are family orientated. I wouldn't be giving out additional information if I was Kate. Kate is damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.
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I didn't realize she said she sees Collin.
I'm glad your child is able to be help on an outpatient basis.
That said, Kate is damned because she splashed Collin's news in the tabloids and got paid to do so.
She's damned because she continues to make her kids film and gets paid to do so.
She's damned because she's seemingly having the most gleeful, wonderful times of her life while Collin is wherever, and one day (if he hasn't already), he'll see how manically happy his mother was with her puppies! and vacations! and the cherry on top- Collin's birthday party.
The best EVER.
She's not erring on the side of privacy for that child.
There's a lot of speculation as to why the twins don't want to drive. I see it differently. I wonder if they are so enmeshed with their sick mother and HER desires to even know what they really want. If Kate wanted them to drive, it would happen whether the girls cared to do so or not. I suspect that she wishes to keep those kids as isolated as possible, being the abusive, self-centered, control-freak that she is. If the twins had the ability to leave the house and enjoy themselves, what's in it for her? What if they discover that life is better outside of her grasp? What if they tell others what kind of a person she really is? I think keeping those girls isolated benefits Kate, so that's why it's happening.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 43
. . . And, sadly, I guess C never did hold up his end in her eyes.
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And isn't that just bizarre? When in almost every episode he seemed to be the one trying his hardest to please her? Again, based on what has been shown in the show, it is just hard to believe that this child has/had issues so severe that he had to be removed from the home. Either there's a lot of terrible footage that lies in an archive somewhere, or there's a lot more to this story than just K8's vague blathering about "special needs."
Philly 4 for 4 said... 47
Tucker's Mom, on one of the shows that Kate was on she was asked if she visited Collin, and she said absolutely.
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Do you have a link? Cuz I think I looked at most every one, and do not recall her saying this.
She is evil said... 51
There's a lot of speculation as to why the twins don't want to drive. I see it differently. I wonder if they are so enmeshed with their sick mother and HER desires to even know what they really want.
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No doubt some of the kids have and will be putting taking care of Kate before themselves.
Kate's bff's the twins-Mady especially-and she has their loyalty.
It will be hard for them to make (good) selfish decisions without the guilt of their mother on their minds.
It will be interesting to see if Kate gets very proactive about college and college choices.
Without filming it, that is.
Isn't a Kiwi a New Zealander like Stevie, and not an Australian?
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Yep. New Zealanders are known as the Kiwis and the Australians are Aussies. Unless you're TFW.
Sad but true said... 52
FlimsyFlamsy said... 43
. . . And, sadly, I guess C never did hold up his end in her eyes.
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And isn't that just bizarre? When in almost every episode he seemed to be the one trying his hardest to please her?
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OMG yes!
RIP Tilikum.
May you finally find peace and unfettered freedom at the Rainbow Bridge.
TFW also responded "Yep!" when a fan asked if she was still friends with former BFF, and her kids admitted "second mommy," Beth. Beth refuted that, and described the ugly end to their friendship. So things coming out of TFW's mouth or Twitter fingers don't mean jack to me.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 58
TFW also responded "Yep!" when a fan asked if she was still friends with former BFF, and her kids admitted "second mommy," Beth. Beth refuted that, and described the ugly end to their friendship. So things coming out of TFW's mouth or Twitter fingers don't mean jack to me.
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That's the bottom line for me. Kate's a lying liar who lies.
Beth came out of hiding, very briefly, to let it be known what happened with the book SHE WROTE, and that she and Kate indeed do not talk.
Kate destroyed that relationship with two of the most generous people I've ever seen.
Kate didn't want to be friends with Beth. She wanted what Beth had.
Philly 4 for 4 said... 48
Tucker's Mom, on one of the shows that Kate was on she was asked if she visited Collin, and she said absolutely.
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On GMA, when discussing Collin, Kate was asked "is there any contact", not if she visited him. She replied "Oh, yeah. Definitely, but it's not the same as being at home".
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/kate-gosselin-opens-son-collin-defends-parenting-style/story?id=43680543
This convo takes place at approx. 1:18 in the video.
"Contact" doesn't mean she visits him. Contact could mean speaking by phone or just speaking with place where he is located.
I find it odd that the interviewer asked "if there was any contact" rather than "do you see him often". Perhaps, that was a pre-arranged question, so Kate could give the impression she sees him, without really saying whether she does or not.
I'm another one who hasn't heard or read Kate saying absolutely she sees Collin. I haven't seen it discussed here. If she has. great.
Regarding the twins driving, in the last episode Cara said she thought it would be great to be able to drive to her Lacrosse games, however they're an hour away and she wouldn't be allowed to drive that far.
Tucker's Mom (#59), notice how TFW thanked her Australian "friends" for offering to send her vegemite. It's like I've said before -- to her, a friend is someone who does sh*t for you. But once you don't know how to help her, you're out. Just look at the bodies strewn about by the curb -- including the father of her 8 kids.
Tucker's Mom (#59), the one thing Beth had that all the money in the world won't buy TFW: CLASS.
So according to this one fan,Radar is making stuff up because they're not telling Jon where collin is/was? Drunkin Hines @DrunkinHines
@radar_online Jon doesn't even know where his kid is and yet Radar does and doesn't tell him? Yeah, ok. Your writer sucks and make shit up.
I watched the 16th Bday episode last night and noticed a few things I haven't seen mentioned.
The gator the girls were pretending to be taking a "driving lesson" in looked brand new, like it hadn't been out of the garage since it was last used for an episode. The tires looked like they'd never seen dirt or mud and rarely even pavement, the seats didn't have a spot or smudge of dirt on them, the payload deck was clean except for a few tiny twigs. Heck, it didn't even have any dust on it. I don't think the darned thing is ever used - unless it's needed for a show - and then it gets very light duty.
The clapboard the 3 girls used at the beginning of the show was dated 11/13/16. Previous episodes were dated 11/12 which was a Saturday, the 13th was Sunday. It looks like the kids don't have to give up just one day of their weekends, but both.
And, TFW's salmon patties... Did you notice she was wearing the loose fitting semi-clear thin plastic gloves you see food employees wear? Maybe I'm the odd-one-out, but I don't know anyone personally who wears them in their own kitchens for food prep.
The party? TFW said the girls had been talking and planning it for a year yet Cara said she didn't want a party at all (and appeared to be totally uninterested @ the details) and Mady strongly said it was TFW who wanted them to have one. Is anyone surprised about this? LOL I'm sure TFW had been planning this for an episode idea for 10 years at least!
The craft project that Brownlow supervised seemed chaotic to me and she even told Aeden to knock off his goofing around. The space they used for this looked tiny and I wondered where they were. The space had heavy fabric looking walls. Later in the episode they showed a larger shot of the basement and low and behold, there was the big bundle of drapes/canvas gathered together, hanging from the ceiling.
Did TFW insist on these temporary "walls" so her basement didn't get dirty? They've shown the basement before, so I don't think they'd go to the trouble and expense of putting this up to hide the rest of the room from view. But why would it be necessary to protect a room this way with almost 13 year olds?
I really have a problem watching the kids always taking care of TFW (parentification), worrying about how she's going to react to something and not being able to express their own emotions nor ever really feeling protected by her. I think the 4 who see Jon know he's a safe person they can go to and express themselves and be vulnerable, but with TFW, that's never going to happen. Gawd, those kids need an intervention and to experience some intensive healthy parenting and appropriate role modeling. I can't imagine them navigating adult relationships.
TFW also responded "Yep!" when a fan asked if she was still friends with former BFF, and her kids admitted "second mommy," Beth. Beth refuted that, and described the ugly end to their friendship. So things coming out of TFW's mouth or Twitter fingers don't mean jack to me.
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That's the bottom line for me. Kate's a lying liar who lies.
Beth came out of hiding, very briefly, to let it be known what happened with the book SHE WROTE, and that she and Kate indeed do not talk.
Kate destroyed that relationship with two of the most generous people I've ever seen.
Kate didn't want to be friends with Beth. She wanted what Beth had.
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Yep, that's TFW. When asked if she's still friends with someone, of course she says, yep, but fails to add the facts that she refuses to see them, refuses to talk to them, ie: has cut them out of her life, but suuure... they're still friends.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 58
TFW also responded "Yep!" when a fan asked if she was still friends with former BFF, and her kids admitted "second mommy," Beth. Beth refuted that, and described the ugly end to their friendship. So things coming out of TFW's mouth or Twitter fingers don't mean jack to me.
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Didn't Beth mention in the article that she sees TFW in stores and they don't speak? Why is she lying and bringing the kids into this? Piece of work.
If Radar's breadcrumbs are correct, the facility is easy to find. I found it with a simple Google search.
http://pennrecord.com/stories/510551358-mental-health-patient-who-injured-himself-during-escape-sues-facility
Kate has sugarcoated this situation with Collin. He lives in a locked down facility, not a boarding school. It's more than a "disability".
I watched the show on the link posted above, and IMO there is a lot of dissension in that house. The girl tups like Aaden, and not Joel; Alexis smacking Aaden in the house, Cara spoke in the clip but barely; Collin gone, Kate having HUGE meltdowns and clinging to Mady. Can you imagine what it is like when they aren't filming?
What a nightmare!
I watched the show on the link posted above, and IMO there is a lot of dissension in that house. The girl tups like Aaden, and not Joel; Alexis smacking Aaden in the house, Cara spoke in the clip but barely; Collin gone, Kate having HUGE meltdowns and clinging to Mady. Can you imagine what it is like when they aren't filming?
What a nightmare!
OT- Shooting at Fort Lauderdale airport. Initially in baggage claim. Reports are 5 dead, 9 injured.
More activity in a parking garage right now.
"Contact" doesn't mean she visits him. Contact could mean speaking by phone or just speaking with place where he is located.
I find it odd that the interviewer asked "if there was any contact" rather than "do you see him often". Perhaps, that was a pre-arranged question, so Kate could give the impression she sees him, without really saying whether she does or not.
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Thanks, KIAT.
"Contact" is a very odd word when speaking about a 12-year old child.
The clapboard the 3 girls used at the beginning of the show was dated 11/13/16. Previous episodes were dated 11/12 which was a Saturday, the 13th was Sunday. It looks like the kids don't have to give up just one day of their weekends, but both.
And, TFW's salmon patties... Did you notice she was wearing the loose fitting semi-clear thin plastic gloves you see food employees wear? Maybe I'm the odd-one-out, but I don't know anyone personally who wears them in their own kitchens for food prep.
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Sounds like TLC decided to wrap up getting these episodes in the can and packed a weekend with couch interviews.
Nice to make the kids work their weekend away.
I wear gloves occasionally for handling food in my kitchen. I buy large boxes from Costco. It's VERY handy when dealing with raw meat and garlic.
With Kate's nails, I'd be happy she covered her hands if she was prepping my food!
TLC stinks said... 68
If Radar's breadcrumbs are correct, the facility is easy to find. I found it with a simple Google search.
http://pennrecord.com/stories/510551358-mental-health-patient-who-injured-himself-during-escape-sues-facility
Kate has sugarcoated this situation with Collin. He lives in a locked down facility, not a boarding school. It's more than a "disability".
January 6, 2017 at 11:02 AM
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There are terrible stories and rating on this health system if you Google it.
I really think the sheep have this notion of Collin being in this wonderful, homey facility where he's getting the best of everything, surrounded by friends and ponies.
I can't believe that anyone could enjoy Kate and her show when they have no clue what Collin's life is like.
It seems so cold.
If TFW wants the Tim Toms (?) and Vegemite so badly why doesn't she ask Steve to have his family send her a care package?
The girl tups like Aaden, and not Joel; Alexis smacking Aaden in the house, Cara spoke in the clip but barely; Collin gone, Kate having HUGE meltdowns and clinging to Mady. Can you imagine what it is like when they aren't filming?
What a nightmare!
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One can only hope things are better and not worse, and all of that dissension is drama for the purpose of filming.
Yep. New Zealanders are known as the Kiwis and the Australians are Aussies. Unless you're TFW.
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I thought Kiwis were the birds without arms, but what do I know? ;)
She is simply the worst. The Arrnots Tim Tams are indeed available in the US. As is vegemite. Even if they weren't, what is the point of her screenshotting her purchase. ? Attention whoring at its finest. I've sent my dd at college TimTams from Amazon. Wtf is the big deal? So bizarre. She is so gross.
Oh and plastic gloves are the easiest way to rip up a rotisserie chicken lol. But no ones thought of but TFW. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
With Kate's nails, I'd be happy she covered her hands if she was prepping my food!
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You'd eat her food? You're a glutton for punishment!
KIAT (#60), good point about that "contact" question being approved ahead of time. If in fact TFW had seen her son, and her other kids had seen him, I can't imagine there'd be a reason to not say something like, "Oh, we've all seen him. And look forward to him being home with us." But to just agree with, yeah, I have contact with him? Like he was her accountant?
Jillygee said... 78
She is simply the worst. The Arrnots Tim Tams are indeed available in the US. As is vegemite. Even if they weren't, what is the point of her screenshotting her purchase. ? Attention whoring at its finest. I've sent my dd at college TimTams from Amazon. Wtf is the big deal? So bizarre. She is so gross.******
Both things are not hard to get and really, not THAT expensive for a treat.
And b.s. on Australia being brought up every other day in that house, unless Kate is whining about wanting another trip there with Steve.
I'm sure that was a lovely couple of weeks for them.
You'd eat her food? You're a glutton for punishment!
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I felt for Katie Couric when she had to eat Kate's pizza. Hoped she got hazard pay.
Seriously, Kate's food has never looked inviting.
I wouldn't recommend baggy food handling gloved, just fyi. They are clumsy and not good for safety if you're doing knife work.
I like the form-fitting disposables and the more I use them, the more I use them.
Did Kate actually say she visits Collin? I thought she was asked if there is "contact" and she said yes or absolutely.
But "sources" said neither she nor the kids have seen Collin.
I don't believe Kate anyway. She's a liar. I also think she possibly isn't allowed to see him because she's been abusive to him and it won't help him to see her.
If TFW had to wear something while cooking her stunt salmon, I wish it had been a hair net. No one wants extensions in their burgers.
I'm not getting the food preparation thing wearing gloves. I totally understand it when working in a restaurant and/or fast food place, but cooking at home? Why?
FlimsyFlamsy said... 81
KIAT (#60), good point about that "contact" question being approved ahead of time. If in fact TFW had seen her son, and her other kids had seen him, I can't imagine there'd be a reason to not say something like, "Oh, we've all seen him. And look forward to him being home with us." But to just agree with, yeah, I have contact with him? Like he was her accountant?
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Sad that Collin couldn't pull a Andy Dupree. Collin laundering all the cash from the church tours, cash that came in the mail, cash out of the love offerings. Dig his way out of the compound on a dark, rainy stormy night!
God love that poor baby! Dear Lord in Heaven, please don't let him be involved with the bad things that go on there!
I believe her mental illness numbs her so bad from her from feeling any sympathy or remorse for what she has done to Collin and all of the children.
The sweet 16 was a train wreck.
SAD to see her more concerned about the hairdresser FINALLY showing up over her own son in a place that is dangerous.
I wonder if the salmon was trashed when the party was moved.
She should of been made to eat it the next day and if she didn't, she should of been offered again and who cares about old and bacteria? She has to eat it regardless.
Just like her kids used to until a judge made her stop.
I don't believe Kate anyway. She's a liar. I also think she possibly isn't allowed to see him because she's been abusive to him and it won't help him to see her.
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We're not sure where he is, nor what the facility's visitation policies are, nor the prescribed treatment by the therapists/professionals, nor exactly why he is there, so we really can't say with any kind of certainty that she isn't allowed to visit him because of alleged abuse on her part. We can speculate until the cows come home, but I wonder if we'll ever really know the full story and the truth. Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that information?
Deliverance said... 87
I'm not getting the food preparation thing wearing gloves. I totally understand it when working in a restaurant and/or fast food place, but cooking at home? Why?
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Because it looks good on film?
Deliverance said... 87
I'm not getting the food preparation thing wearing gloves. I totally understand it when working in a restaurant and/or fast food place, but cooking at home? Why?
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Kate was prepping salmon which can leave a smell on your hands, and she was prepping for a group of people.
I like using gloves for handling raw meat. It's just less worry about cross contamination. Toss them and go.
Also, I have nails, not long, but long enough and I don't like to get gunk under them.
Also, I wonder if someone suggested that Kate wear gloves on camera after the bird flew into the cake!
testing...none of my comments have gone through for a while...
Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that information?
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I have a feeling we'll find out from Collin or one of his siblings. We will never get the truth from Kate, but I have a feeling the kids will want to tell their stories.
Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that information?
January 6, 2017 at 2:11 PM
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It's a good question and a unique one when it comes to Kate and what she's done already.
On the one hand, we have a 12-year old child whose mother has announced to the world that because of emotional/behavioral, what have you, problems, he's been sent away for professionals to deal with.
On the other hand, we have a 12-year old boy who has been gone for a painfully long time, with no word on his condition, his progress (plugging is not progress), his prognosis, his general well being even or even any hint of when and IF he'll ever return home.
I would argue that I hope there are powers that be that know where this child is and if he's being helped, served, and given care and quality of life.
As a parent, wouldn't you try every single last ditch effort to help your child before you sent him away?
I don't know what Kate did try, but I do know what she didn't. She didn't try sending Collin to live with his father.
I've always known she hates Jon more than she loves her kids, but you would think her fans and admirers would have picked up on that fact when she sent Collin away.
Hoosier Girl
As a parent, wouldn't you try every single last ditch effort to help your child before you sent him away?
I don't know what Kate did try, but I do know what she didn't. She didn't try sending Collin to live with his father.
I've always known she hates Jon more than she loves her kids, but you would think her fans and admirers would have picked up on that fact when she sent Collin away.
Hoosier Girl
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It's disturbing that there are so many sheep out there who not only don't question a mother who refused to prevail upon the father of her son for help (even though he has publicly BEGGED to see his son) with his his son's issues, but praise her for institutionalizing him without even trying everything at her disposal.
If that's not hating your ex more than you love your kid, I don't know what is.
Moreover, the sheep just move along and forget the poor boy like he's just gone to college.
I'm sure wherever Collin's at, it is certainly not like college.
I don't know what Kate did try, but I do know what she didn't. She didn't try sending Collin to live with his father.
I've always known she hates Jon more than she loves her kids, but you would think her fans and admirers would have picked up on that fact when she sent Collin away.
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Does anyone know that she "sent Collin away?" What if the advice given her was that he needed to go a treatment facility, and that going to Jon was not an option and was not the answer to whatever his issues are? We can do armchair psych diagnosis, but neither we, nor the fans, really know the details of the Collin situation.
That is, none of us except Milo. I'm sure that Kate kept her up to date, day by day, as to what was going on, where he is, his prognosis, etc.
"Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that information?"
He deserves his privacy, but the public got attached to him through the show and are concerned for his well being. Kate is such a bad mother you wonder if the best is being done for him. One of many reasons children shouldn't be on reality TV. The public will want to know about his troubles whether it's right or not.
nc girl (#99), well put. Like TFW said, she made her life our business. Many of us
could rattle off a list of times we saw her treat that boy unkindly on camera, as well as her own journal description of beating him to the point she thought she was going to seriously hurt him. And how about that letter to him in the book, which was basically, I love ya, but, boy, raising you has been a nightmare. Armed with that kind of information, is it any wonder some of us are feeling genuine concern for C's well being? And a lot of doubt as to just how hard his mother tried to help before things got to this point?
Kate is such a bad mother you wonder if the best is being done for him.
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Another thing which affects Collin's situation in particular is that we know what Kate is capable of through her journals. This woman severely punished her little toddlers for pooping or spilling beans. Kate has a very bad temper and a penchant for using implements to strike her children. She also has a history of ignoring problems in her children for long periods of time.
So yes, many are a bit dubious about how forthcoming Kate has been about Collin and fear for him.
Were this a woman who we didn't think had severe mental problems, I would probably be taking her at her word.
I wear gloves if I'm working with jalapeños and when prepping things like meatloaf, etc. I wear the form fitting kind because they're easier to work in when chopping things.
Oh, DEFINITELY wear gloves with hot peppers!
You can wash your hands 5x and touch your face or eye hours later and YOWZA!
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I don't believe Kate anyway. She's a liar. I also think she possibly isn't allowed to see him because she's been abusive to him and it won't help him to see her.
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We're not sure where he is, nor what the facility's visitation policies are, nor the prescribed treatment by the therapists/professionals, nor exactly why he is there, so we really can't say with any kind of certainty that she isn't allowed to visit him because of alleged abuse on her part. We can speculate until the cows come home, but I wonder if we'll ever really know the full story and the truth. Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that information?
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I said POSSIBLY.
We're not sure where he is, nor what the facility's visitation policies are, nor the prescribed treatment by the therapists/professionals, nor exactly why he is there, so we really can't say with any kind of certainty that she isn't allowed to visit him because of alleged abuse on her part. We can speculate until the cows come home, but I wonder if we'll ever really know the full story and the truth. Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that information?
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I said POSSIBLY.
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Yes, you did, and if you took my comment as criticism, or an attack, or as argumentative, I am sorry. That was not my intention, and I apologize. My comment was to point out that we really don't know why he is there, what his treatment is, if it had anything to do with alleged abuse, and to ask the question is anyone, other than his family and mental health care professionals, really entitled to know.
It was just a question.
Concierge Room Service List for Kate Gosselin:
Meals: Kate said the room service menu selection for breakfast would be fine. She specified the following exact menu items for lunches for two days, and
dinners for two or possibly three days.
Wednesday dinner: Kobe beef tips cooked medium to medium well; steamed broccoli; mashed potatoes; French fries; organic blueberries; and vanilla ice cream.
Kate asked that a mixed green/ grilled chicken salad option be provided for the adults. She listed these ingredients to be used in the salad: grilled chicken, cucumber, tomato, sliced strawberries or pears, feta cheese crumbles, pecans.
Wednesday dinner: Kobe beef tips cooked medium to medium well; steamed broccoli; mashed potatoes; French fries; organic blueberries; and vanilla ice cream. Kate asked that a mixed green/ grilled chicken salad option be provided for the adults. She listed these ingredients to be used in the salad: grilled chicken, cucumber, tomato, sliced strawberries or pears, feta cheese crumbles, pecans.
French fries; onion rings; dill pickles and steamed seasoned green beans on the side; and vanilla cake with vanilla icing (with a mixed green/ grilled chicken salad option for the adults).
Friday lunch: Peanut butter and grape jelly on wheat bread (Kate specified whole grain bread with no “obvious” grain in it); potato chips; fruit salad with blueberries, bananas, apple, grapes, strawberries, kiwi, and pineapple; Monterey Jack cheese cubes; and oatmeal raisin cookies.
(With a substitute for the adults of ham and cheese sandwiches on wheat with lettuce, tomato and onion and horseradish spread; and a mixed green/ grilled chicken salad.)
Friday dinner (if they were still there): Pizza - cheese, pepperoni, onion and green peppers in different configurations; French fries; steamed broccoli; and chocolate brownies (with a mixed green/ grilled chicken salad
Option for the adults). Kate requested these additional specific items from Whole Foods in the main suite only:
10 Organic bananas; 4 boxes organic blueberries; 4 packages organic cheese sticks; 2 boxes organic “Ritz” crackers; 2 six packs Yo Kids (Stonyfield Farms) organic yogurt; 1 pack organic peanutbutter cookies; 3 bottles organic lemonade; 1 gallon organic pulp-free orange juice; 2 gallons spring water; 2 packages of individually
packaged cookies; 2 packages of individually packaged peanut butter crackers and/ or cheese crackers. Kate then thanked Wendy and told her that having these things would alleviate some of the stress of traveling! She then very graciously told Wendy that, as always, “we really appreciate you!!!!! :)”.
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What's funny here is, she wouldn't feed her kids this much food at home. It is feast or famine with her.
TLC Filming: Feast
At Home with Mom: Famine
Golly (106)...
Is this a new rider?
Midnight Madness,
No problem. I wasn't sure if you missed the word possibly. Lol.
Midnight Madness said... 105
My comment was to point out that we really don't know why he is there, what his treatment is, if it had anything to do with alleged abuse, and to ask the question is anyone, other than his family and mental health care professionals, really entitled to know.
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Well put, and that is the question, isn't it? In my opinion, no we are not entitled to know. Who are we to that child other than a group of strangers who have spent an inordinate amount of time discussing his family? Because we care about him, is that considered a ticket to know his most personal history?
Sorry, Midnight. I forgot to say that rider was from Robert's book when Snowflake FW would stay at the Essex House when doing show appearances with the kids.
Don't you know they couldn't wait till she checked out of there?
SFFW: Snow Flake Former Wife
GollyGee (#110), notice when it was on someone else's dime, TFW got organic juice for her kids. But at home, she served the Juicy Juice they'd gotten for free -- with the bottle faced out for the camera to see.
That reminds me of a funny "King Of Queens" episode. Doug is needed as an expert witness at a deposition with the law firm Carrie works for. They order in lunch, and she's mortified when he orders jambalaya. But he couldn't resist -- it
was free!
GollyGee said... 110
Sorry, Midnight. I forgot to say that rider was from Robert's book when Snowflake FW would stay at the Essex House when doing show appearances with the kids.
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When I've copied and pasted from Robert's book the identifying info has always been automatically included at the bottom without me doing anything. It may be different on different devices though.
Please everyone. try to remember to use quotes around what you C&P in your comments whether from Robert's book or from another website. Their work is copyrighted and we may be violating that if we don't give the proper credit, as well as it just being the polite thing to do. ;-)
(not lecturing, but just giving a reminder because Admin, and the poster could get into trouble especially if it's more than just a brief sentence or two)
We're not sure where he is, nor what the facility's visitation policies are, nor the prescribed treatment by the therapists/professionals, nor exactly why he is there, so we really can't say with any kind of certainty that she isn't allowed to visit him because of alleged abuse on her part. We can speculate until the cows come home, but I wonder if we'll ever really know the full story and the truth. Moreover, should we know it? Is the public entitled to that
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If she has abused Collin, yes the public is entitled to know. If the rumors of him having his wrists tied, of him being locked in his room, of him being ostracized at dinner, of him being locked out of the house etc etc are true, then the public and society are most definitely entitled and obligated to know. If she denies these atrocities, if she uses her platform to try and defend herself, to justify herself, to manipulate us and society into feeling sorry for her, then yes we are entitled. Silence is sweeping it under the rug. She gets to set the scenario, set the narrative, say whatever she wants to gaslight societ...Colin's truth (THE truth)should be spoken.
OT: greetings from the heart of the latest Snowpocalypse! It's still coming down in central virginia. Plus Jim Cantore came all the way to Hampton / Norfolk to report! We drove to and from Nags Head lady night, had to check on house there, and it was really pleasant driving back at midnight. The mess had not started and the roads were EMPTY. HOORAY, get to stay home today!
Vanessa said... 114
Well said, and I agree. From so many other things, we have learned she's a fraud. If what is shown on TV is her "real" life, as she likes to say, then to the extent that she tries to sell a false image, the public has a right to know. And if what we see on cam is not her real life, then K8 AND TLC should be held to account for telling everyone this is the "realest reality," when in fact it is not. She and TLC are both responsible for propagating this deception. There are innocent lives involved in this, and in my mind that makes the deception particularly despicable.
Vanessa, I agree. If she abused Collin, the public needs to know.
On June 26, 2008, Kate received an email from a gentleman named Michael expressing how excited he and his wife were when they spotted some toys they had sent to the Gosselin children in the background of an episode of Jon & Kate Plus Ei8ht. Michael said they were thrilled to see that the kids had received them and seemed to enjoy them. He then told Kate that he and his wife were celebrating the recent birth of their 3rd child “… same name as one of yours- Aaden.”
He gave Kate their phone number and said that if she ever had a spare moment, his wife would love to chat and introduce herself. It is understandable that Kate should be extremely careful when dealing with strangers, but that certainly didn’t stop her from accepting their gifts.
Her greatest annoyance was that the gift-givers spelled their child’s name the same way as one of Kate’s boys. Kate complained, “These are the people that sent us the christian toys..... notice they used our spelling of Aaden... how annoying... fans naming their kids our kids names!”
Apparently, Kate thinks the names she chose for her children should have been retired, never to be used for another child again.
When I read this I thought, I think I remember reading that TFW NAMED some of the kids AFTER the McCaughey babies! I read that she was obsessed with Bobbi and the babies and all of the free stuff that people were giving them. But the difference in the parents is that many things that they did not need or use was given away. They are responsible stewards.
The McCaughly's have done a SUPERB JOB raising these kids! They are confident, strong, humble and just down right amazing!
After appearing on TODAY when they were only four days old, the seven children of Bobbi and Kenny McCaughey returned on Wednesday to show just how far they have come since making history. Kenny Jr., Alexis, Natalie, Kelsey, Nathan, Brandon and Joel, all now 17 years old, have made their parents wonder where all the time went as they begin their senior year of high school.
SEE? SHE DID! What a HYPOCRITE!
She named 2 of the babies the same name of the McCaughey babies!
Hoffman, Robert. KATE GOSSELIN: HOW SHE FOOLED THE WORLD - THE RISE AND FALL OF A REALITY TV QUEEN (p. 62). . Kindle Edition.
Vanessa (#114), and it's maddening to me that TFW not only never seems to suffer any particularly negative consequences for her bad behavior, but has been rewarded with episode after episode, trip after trip, perk after perk.
TFW's preteen son was placed in a facility for very serious issues (if he's been
in there for 7 months, I'd say that's a reasonable assumption). Did she take half a second to regroup and weigh her family's options? Attempt to respect the child's privacy and keep quiet about it? Put filming on hold until the whole family could be together again? Heavens, no. People interview, happy family photo shoot, big paycheck. Landing butter side up once again.
@Vanessa This reminds me of the duggar situation with Josh.When it became public knowledge about what Josh did to his sisters,the duggar fans kept complaining about how this information should of never been made public.Uh yeah the public should know because not only did they lie to everyone but also one of the kids is a sexual predator who the duggars family tried to hide that fact from the public.If the public never knew about the whole Josh thing then the 19 kids and counting show would still be on the air and people would act as though nothing is wrong with this family.Its like these fans would rather live in their fantasy world of what they see on T.V is real rather then the truth.i wouldn't be surprised IF the Kate fans would use the same argument the duggar fans used.
TLC stinks said... 117
Vanessa, I agree. If she abused Collin, the public needs to know.
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The public was made aware of Kate's treatment of Collin and some of the other children through RH's book. Not many seemed to care or want to know.
Jamesvader1194 (#120), you made a great point saying the fans would rather live in their fantasy world. Gladys has constructed
a fantasy of TFW in her mind that no amount of facts can destroy. In her imagination, TFW is loving, hardworking, patient, kind determined, courageous, and on and on.
And that fantasy must bring her some sort of pleasure or comfort, because she will not let go of it. Supporting TFW has become her raison d'etre, so she will never see or hear anything that sheds a negative light on her.
GollyGee,
I always thought it was interesting that Kate named her oldest tup girl Alexis and her youngest tup boy Joel which is essentially the same as the Mcaughey septuplets.
-LA
JoyinVirginia said... 115
OT: greetings from the heart of the latest Snowpocalypse! It's still coming down in central virginia. Plus Jim Cantore came all the way to Hampton / Norfolk to report!
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That's like getting the Pope's blessing! You are officially having a bonafide snow when Mr. Cantore shows up.
I hope you're safe and enjoy the rare big dump of snow.
Vanessa, it's different now. Investigation and Collin in psych hospital. Kate will not get away with it this time. Collin spoke out.
I almost wonder if the lack of contact is Collin''s decision. If HE told the facility he didn't want to see/speak to TFW. After all the abuse and being sent away, I wouldn't be surprised. Of course, TFW would also keep the kids away perhaps so they couldnt be questioned about things or involved in therapy so more things come out. Speculation of course but I wouldn't be shocked or blame him at all if this was the case.
Jbranck1980
OT, sort of...
We get a few chuckles out of the sheeples' cooking questions, the freezing of cookies, bread slicers, etc. I was looking at a slow cooker recipe that popped up on one of the food sites, and took a look, thinking that it would be a soggy mess in the morning.
Some of the questions/comments there made the Kate fans look semi-intelligent, such as "if the recipe makes 6 servings and you want to make it for 3 people, how do you do it? Do you make half the recipe, but do you use half an egg?" And, "when it's done, do you spoon it out?" to which someone replied, "No. You use chopsticks."
Some really funny stuff there.
Gladys has constructed
a fantasy of TFW in her mind that no amount of facts can destroy. In her imagination, TFW is loving, hardworking, patient, kind determined, courageous, and on and on.
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I haven't yet figured out who or what Gladys is. Does she have the SWF complex, does she want to be Kate's lover, or does she want to mommy Kate, advising her, protecting her from the evils of the world, sheltering her and fending off Kate's enemies? Or is it all three?
Oh, geez...
Laura Eady @leady7 2h2 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 @TLC where can I find this backsplash design in your kitchen from S5 E6? #kateplus8
You go to the place that is doing your kitchen renovation and you tell them that this is the tile you want and this is the pattern.
Are these people really this dumb?
Anonymous said... 126
I almost wonder if the lack of contact is Collin''s decision. If HE told the facility he didn't want to see/speak to TFW
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Good point, as is Kate requiring supervised visits/calls with Collin.
That's like getting the Pope's blessing! You are officially having a bonafide snow when Mr. Cantore shows up.
I hope you're safe and enjoy the rare big dump of snow.
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Tucker's, did you get dumped on? We got a dusting; roads are clear and sidewalks can be broom-swept. I don't know how much Kate got in her area. Is she snowed in? Did she lose the trees in her driveway? I saw Milo's comment that the mega-storm fizzled out in her neck of the woods. The Atlanta area had been bracing for five inches or more. Milo says she's from the Deep South. Is that where she is?
SEE? SHE DID! What a HYPOCRITE!
She named 2 of the babies the same name of the McCaughey babies!
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Alexis was a very popular name back then. Maybe Kate just liked the name. Two of my friends named their babies Alexis and they weren't named after the McCaughey kids. The same was true for "Aaden," with various spellings. Hannah and Leah were also popular names. I'm not sure about "Joel," though, and how Kate came up with that one. Maybe the "JO" part had something to do with Jon's name. The boys' middle names are all family names.
Tuckers Mom, we are enjoying the snow! It's still falling! It's a light fluffy snow and not that heavy wet stuff that weighs down power lines, thank goodness!
I have VCU basketball on TV vs U.Mass today, (their team traveled here Wednesday in advance of snowpocalypse). There is a pot roast in the crock pot (I learned so much about crock pot cooking from folks here! ) I'm packing up last of the Christmas decorations. We got the outdoor decorations put away last Sunday when it was 60 degrees and sunny, what a change!
Thinking about birthday parties when my kids turned 16, we usually had family get together in afternoon and friend party in evening. The Kids loved snacks like chips and salsa and dip, bagel bites, nothing fancy, cake, ice cream. Clean the house, make a shopping list, get the food and put it out. Party prep does not have to be tense or hard.
Blowing (127)...lol! This is from an article (Accuweather) on how to survive a power outage in the winter:
"If the power goes out in a winter weather event, temperatures can drop significantly. Make sure to keep all doors to the outside shut. Use towels to block drafts coming in from window and door cracks."
I don't know about any of you, but in a power outage I always open all of the doors and windows and enjoy a blast of frigid air. Duh.
The public was made aware of Kate's treatment of Collin and some of the other children through RH's book. Not many seemed to care or want to kno
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So it should not be pursued, re-exposed? How is justice served this way? How does someone face the consequences of their crimes? It's not dirty laundry, it's abuse and should be exposed and dissected...it's not PRIVATE. the is betting on that
Totally agree with you, Vanessa. She has made everything public, and as such, is held accountable.
@FlimsyFlamsy In all honesty,im one of those who are unsure as to whether Kate responds to Milo's DMs or any loyal fans for that matter.I sometimes wonder if Kate does reply to any of the DMs they've admitted to of sent Kate.I wonder what it is that have to send to Kate privately without anyone knowing?Would Kate even care?I can't image its anything unless its Kate that sends them private info about Collin,jon or any other private info.
That should read "tfw" is betting on that
Tucker's, did you get dumped on? We got a dusting; roads are clear and sidewalks can be broom-swept. I don't know how much Kate got in her area.
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We're north of the heavy bands, but it sure is purdy!
Ironically, we're taking our Christmas decorations down while it's like a Holiday postcard outside ;-(
I have VCU basketball on TV vs U.Mass today, (their team traveled here Wednesday in advance of snowpocalypse). There is a pot roast in the crock pot (I learned so much about crock pot cooking from folks here! ) I'm packing up last of the Christmas decorations. We got the outdoor decorations put away last Sunday when it was 60 degrees and sunny, what a change!
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We're channel surfing. Today's NFL games hold zero interest for me.
We also got the outdoor stuff down last weekend-it was t-shirt weather!
The white stuff should hang around a couple days with the chill.
Not used to this! My face was hurting this morning when walking the dogs.
I need to find my balaklava!
Lanc Native said... 134
Blowing (127)...lol! This is from an article (Accuweather) on how to survive a power outage in the winter:
"If the power goes out in a winter weather event, temperatures can drop significantly. Make sure to keep all doors to the outside shut. Use towels to block drafts coming in from window and door cracks."
I don't know about any of you, but in a power outage I always open all of the doors and windows and enjoy a blast of frigid air. Duh.
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Well yeah...duh! Then, I pull in my generator and CRANK IT UP!!!
That's ok, right?????
Clean the house, make a shopping list, get the food and put it out. Party prep does not have to be tense or hard.
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It ain't a party if you're not losing your mind, Joy!
So it should not be pursued, re-exposed? How is justice served this way? How does someone face the consequences of their crimes? It's not dirty laundry, it's abuse and should be exposed and dissected...it's not PRIVATE. the is betting on that
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Exposed, re-exposed by whom? The general public?
The law/courts mete out justice, not the public. It's my understanding that there is to be a hearing before a judge. It's up to the parties involved to know what's going on. They're the ones who make the difference, not the public, not people on blogs.
Has exposing Kate's behavior on this blog made a difference in the lives of her children? It certainly doesn't appear to have made one.
There's a difference between "needing" to know and "wanting to know." Do we need to know the outcome of the court hearing or do we want to know? Will our knowing improve the lives of the G8. change custody arrangements?
No new IG post yet today, so Milo went back to the video of #NookiePookie and issued a gentle PR nudge:
miloandjack2016 Looks like you msy be getting some snow today? Time to get some pics of your pups in the snow? Especially #Nanuq...if you can find her in the white stuff? 😋 @kateplusmy8
"Especially #Nanuq"? Like K8 needs more encouragement to single out one pup over the other?
Not used to this! My face was hurting this morning when walking the dogs.
I need to find my balaklava!
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Back up to the 50s again mid-week! This is crazy.
TLC stinks said... 125
Vanessa, it's different now. Investigation and Collin in psych hospital. Kate will not get away with it this time. Collin spoke out.
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Her psych evaluation better be done by someone who understands Narcissistic Abuse/Abusers
miloandjack2016 Looks like you msy be getting some snow today? Time to get some pics of your pups in the snow? Especially #Nanuq...if you can find her in the white stuff? 😋 @kateplusmy8
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OK, now I agree with Admin- Milo might be a man.
If she/shim thinks Nunu is white, she/shim's color blind.
I couldn't lose my Bichon in the snow.
I think I found the salmon burger recipe Kate used. Someone should tweet it out to her fans.
In the episode, she couldn't find a recipe and she later found it under her cutting board. Someone here mentioned that it looked like one of the recipe cards that you get from Blue Apron.
So I googled Blue Apron salmon burgers, and sure enough, they have a recipe where you cook the salmon first!! Apparently adding eggs to the cooked salmon mixture helps to keep them moist.
https://www.blueapron.com/recipes/lemon-dill-salmon-burgers-with-buttered-corn-on-the-cob
I would say this is most likely the recipe Kate used, especially since she was also shown cutting a lemon.
So why can't she just tweet this out or post it on her IG? I'm sure Blue Apron would send her a complimentary package if she did.
GollyGee said...
Her greatest annoyance was that the gift-givers spelled their child’s name the same way as one of Kate’s boys. Kate complained, “These are the people that sent us the christian toys..... notice they used our spelling of Aaden... how annoying... fans naming their kids our kids names!”
Apparently, Kate thinks the names she chose for her children should have been retired, never to be used for another child again.
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She's stunted in every way.
I remember when Brownie asked Kate if she could use one of her sayings? And Kate wrote back, "no you can't". As if it is copyrighted the moment Kate says it, does it, cooks it etc...
What's the great advantage of having both IG and twitter? Milo gets to be annoying twice as much.
From twitter:
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 3h3 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 If you get some good snow...time to get pics of your #FluffyWhiteNanuq out there? #Mak will love it too! #PupsGottaHaveFun 😜
From IG:
miloandjack2016Looks like you msy be getting some snow today? Time to get some pics of your pups in the snow? Especially #Nanuq...if you can find her in the white stuff? 😋 @kateplusmy8
Denise @Mydmaxx 6h6 hours ago
@Kateplusmy8 Are you by the fireplace staying warm today with it snowing? Stay warm & safe. ❤️
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No, Denise. She has her doors and windows open, and the generator plugged into her French outlets in the kitchen.
Jana 🌲 ⛄️ ❄️ @JanaSutter 1h1 hour ago
Hey @Kateplusmy8 - are u going to share your recipe for salmon burgers u made in Mary and Cara's party episode?
Jana 🌲 ⛄️ ❄️
@JanaSutter
@Kateplusmy8 I was excited to check if it was in your cookbook that I bought a few weeks ago and was sad to see it wasn't in there 😢
How was she able to purchase it? I thought it was only available for pre-order!
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Vanessa (#114), and it's maddening to me that TFW not only never seems to suffer any particularly negative consequences for her bad behavior, but has been rewarded with episode after episode, trip after trip, perk after perk.
TFW's preteen son was placed in a facility for very serious issues (if he's been
in there for 7 months, I'd say that's a reasonable assumption). Did she take half a second to regroup and weigh her family's options? Attempt to respect the child's privacy and keep quiet about it? Put filming on hold until the whole family could be together again? Heavens, no. People interview, happy family photo shoot, big paycheck. Landing butter side up once again.
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Believe it (or not), Karma is already screwing with Kate.
I saw a picture of her from last week's episode, and you can tell from her face, that she is a tortured soul. Her children are troubled, she's not happy, and she will never will be happy.
Folks like Kate are NEVER satisfied.
Sometimes, it's best to walk away and allow Karma to take care of things...
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As a parent, wouldn't you try every single last ditch effort to help your child before you sent him away?
I don't know what Kate did try, but I do know what she didn't. She didn't try sending Collin to live with his father.
I've always known she hates Jon more than she loves her kids, but you would think her fans and admirers would have picked up on that fact when she sent Collin away.
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It's disturbing that there are so many sheep out there who not only don't question a mother who refused to prevail upon the father of her son for help (even though he has publicly BEGGED to see his son) with his his son's issues, but praise her for institutionalizing him without even trying everything at her disposal.
If that's not hating your ex more than you love your kid, I don't know what is.
Moreover, the sheep just move along and forget the poor boy like he's just gone to college.
I'm sure wherever Collin's at, it is certainly not like college.
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Kate is ill equipped- she can barely keep her whizz together doing the simplest of things.
I'm afraid that for as sad & scary that it is that C----- is in a mental health center, he is in much better care than he would be at home.
Living in the Gosselin house is not conducive for good mental/emotional healing. And it appears that Kate has a lot to do with that.
Methinks Gladys' fantasy of frolicking pups in the snow ain't gonna happen. I don't think #CrazyDogLady would be too happy with wet, muddy dogs coming in the house. She complained about her sons' room smelling "like boy." Can't imagine wet dog smell being one of her favorites either.
If we do get pictures of dogs in the snow, we'll know how truly desperate TFW is
right now.
Sometimes, it's best to walk away and allow Karma to take care of things...
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Yes, but will TLC walk away? I doesn't appear so, and as long as she can grift, put her face out there, enjoy perks and vacations, hasn't that been her plan all along?
KIAT (#48), whoa, great detective work with the Blue Apron recipe. Which reminds me...didn't TFW say long ago that real cooks don't use recipes? Maybe that's why her cookbook flopped so badly -- it wasn't written by a real cook.
So why can't she just tweet this out or post it on her IG? I'm sure Blue Apron would send her a complimentary package if she did.
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Because then it won't look like it is HER recipe, her invention!
I'm with Deliverence on this one. The public doesn't need to know. The one who should decide what the public ever knows about this is Collin when he turns 18 and no one else.
There's a difference between "needing" to know and "wanting to know." Do we need to know the outcome of the court hearing or do we want to know? Will our knowing improve the lives of the G8. change custody arrangements?
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I understand what you're saying. I don't think we "need" to know anything about what is going on in court, it should be handled privately.
However, with that said, Kate put the whole situation out there in the first place. She didn't keep it private--she blasted the news out to the world, thus creating the whole "want"/"need" to know scenario, not only among her "haters" but also among her fans.
Kate made it everyone's business just by bringing something so personal to the table and continuing to feed the curiousity, all the while controlling the menu.
She whetted the appetites of both fans and haters alike.
I have no "need" to know the details, however, I think most people here are concerned about what is going on with Collin, and "want" to know that he is okay, not just take his mother's word that he's "plugging, trucking, plodding,etc." along.
I'm with Deliverence on this one. The public doesn't need to know. The one who should decide what the public ever knows about this is Collin when he turns 18 and no one else.
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Ditto. Kate made it public, but that doesn't mean that we have a right to know everything about this. Of course we care about him, but speculating, guessing about all of this (what kind of facility, where is it, what are his issues) just seems to make the public appear to be intruding on what Kate should have been kept private, for Collin's sake. Some have called it a psych hospital, a mental health facility, a juvenile detention center, along other things. If Collin wants this information released when he reaches consenting age, then that's up to him.
Kate is a twit said... 160
There's a difference between "needing" to know and "wanting to know." Do we need to know the outcome of the court hearing or do we want to know? Will our knowing improve the lives of the G8. change custody arrangements?
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I understand what you're saying. I don't think we "need" to know anything about what is going on in court, it should be handled privately.
However, with that said, Kate put the whole situation out there in the first place. She didn't keep it private--she blasted the news out to the world, thus creating the whole "want"/"need" to know scenario, not only among her "haters" but also among her fans.
Kate made it everyone's business just by bringing something so personal to the table and continuing to feed the curiousity, all the while controlling the menu.
She whetted the appetites of both fans and haters alike.
I have no "need" to know the details, however, I think most people here are concerned about what is going on with Collin, and "want" to know that he is okay, not just take his mother's word that he's "plugging, trucking, plodding,etc." along.
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I agree!
The thing is, Hoffman's book really didn't get the press it needed. Not enough people read Radar Online. The general viewing audience of Kate Plus 8 are still in the dark about her abuse.
A few fans of the show (not the regular fanatical ones on Twitter) were very upset she went public in People about Collin's situation, that she discussed it publicly, and that she's still continuing filming all the fun family outings and parties without him.
If the general fans were really aware of the abuse she has leashed upon her children, Collin in particular, I think there would be a lot more public outrage against Kate and TLC.
Unfortunately, this blog and non-fan tweets, etc are only reaching a small percentage of her viewing audience.
If there was real PROOF or real sources to his abuse, that witnessed it themselves, etc I think the backlash against her could ruin her.
What large enough media outlet would be needed for this? I'm not sure.
So while I think Collin's situation SHOULD be private, I do not think Kate's part in it should be. If there is abuse involved, I feel that the public should know, since they are the ones supporting her and enabling her to continue the abuse and exploitation of the public.
I hope the outrage and support that Collin would get would be something positive in this situation. He seems to be going through it alone. How many people that really care about that boy are there to support him right now? I don't know...
Talking about adults. Besides his loving father, Jon, I think a great person to help Collin recover would be Aunt Jodi. Aunt Jodi is a sweet, kind loving soul, without a mean bone in her body.
Wouldn't it be wonderful if she could visit him, talk to him and comfort him? What if he asked for her?
Just speculating. I want the best for Collin.
GollyGee (163):
"Wouldn't it be wonderful if she could visit him, talk to him and comfort him? What if he asked for her? "
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Not if it's recommended that he shouldn't have contact with any of his family, including Jodi, Kevin, father, siblings, aunts and uncles, grandparents.
I certainly hope that those treating him know what's best for him at this point, regardless of whom he wants to have comfort him.
So while I think Collin's situation SHOULD be private, I do not think Kate's part in it should be. If there is abuse involved, I feel that the public should know, since they are the ones supporting her and enabling her to continue the abuse and exploitation of the public.
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Well put.
It's beyond reasonable for TLC and Kate to continue filming on and on and on without Collin and without any notion of what's happened to him.
By all means, keep Collin's diagnosis and treatment quiet, but also stop filming along like nothing's wrong. Like Collin doesn't even exist. Like he doesn't matter. Like he isn't missed. Like this doesn't profoundly affect his siblings.
I don't know how people can suspend their disbelief episode after episode.
This is a heinous charade that involves real ids.
No way in hell they aren't experiences intense emotional turmoil. No way in hell this isn't going on behind the scenes.
Kate comes across as a woman with ice running through her veins, and the children are being portrayed as though the haven't developed a conscience.
I hope the outrage and support that Collin would get would be something positive in this situation. He seems to be going through it alone.
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THAT is what makes me feel the saddest. That this 12-year old boy has been sent away from his home, and I believe he is left hung out to dry, pretty much alone.
Not if it's recommended that he shouldn't have contact with any of his family, including Jodi, Kevin, father, siblings, aunts and uncles, grandparents.
I certainly hope that those treating him know what's best for him at this point, regardless of whom he wants to have comfort him.
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I wonder if Collin's undergoing treatment, or just being warehoused somewhere.
Collin isn't keeping quiet. He reported her.
So while I think Collin's situation SHOULD be private, I do not think Kate's part in it should be. If there is abuse involved, I feel that the public should know, since they are the ones supporting her and enabling her to continue the abuse and exploitation of the public.
I hope the outrage and support that Collin would get would be something positive in this situation. He seems to be going through it alone. How many people that really care about that boy are there to support him right now? I don't know..
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I thoroughly agree, and I think that's what people here really "want" to know. Not about the private issues with Collin, but exactly how complicit Kate is in this whole scenario.
I've seen posts on FB saying "yay, Collin is back!" for the next episode, but they don't seem to realize that it was filmed months before Collin actually left.
I will be curious to see how Kate plays this episode, only because she made Collin's disappearance her whole agenda for this season and now all of a sudden he's back.
The "tweet party" for this episode will really be interesting.
Collin isn't keeping quiet. He reported her.
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Fact, rumor or speculation?
Whether it's for 7 kids or 8, you can bet TFW is already planning something for the tups' 13th birthday in 4 months. And praying it'll be on TLC's dime. If the show doesn't get picked up, she can probably at least swing a People birthday photo shoot to pick up the tab for whatever nonsense she plans.
Tuesday night's tweets should be interesting. I'm sure fans will think Collin is back home and will be telling her how happy they are to see him again. Her responses (if she does respond) will be especially interesting. If she doesn't, that will be telling.
I share Tucker's Mom's concern @167 wondering if Collin may just be 'warehoused' rather than receiving necessary treatment. I can only hope and pray this dear little child is getting the personal attention he needs after his mother has broadcast what a problem he has been for HER.
bm
bm
Can you imagine another birthday party for the tups without Collin?
part in it should be. If there is abuse involved, I feel that the public should know, since they are the ones supporting her and enabling her to continue the abuse and exploitation of the public.
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I'll go along with that, but how would we ever know? Kate certainly won't admit it; TLC isn't going to admit it...they will wash their hands of the whole thing, and if confronted, will claim no involvement. Who will come out and expose Kate's part in all of this? Jamie? Deanna?
I know! Milo and the Mini-Sheep!
bm (#172), your comment just reminded me about TFW's People interview. She said something like, C's situation was taking too much time away from her handling her other kids. Maybe that's why life is superfun at G Manor now -- without that little attention suck there.
Please excuse my snarky tone. I'm just feeling so badly for that poor child, who again and again tried to please his mother. Her "helper boy." Who most likely hasn't slept in his own bed in 7 months. Sigh.
So while I think Collin's situation SHOULD be private, I do not think Kate's part in it should be. If there is abuse involved, I feel that the public should know, since they are the ones supporting her and enabling her to continue the abuse and exploitation of the public.
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How should the public be informed? ROL is putting stuff out there. Who reads ROL other than celeb junkies? Kate's fans are for the most part young kids and a handful of moms. I don't think the LA Times or the Washington Post is going to do a feature article, nor will 20/20 or Dateline. The larger world, adults, don't even know who she is or that's she's still around...barely.
Kate is big news in her mind and on a couple of blogs, pro/con devoted to her. And to quote Kate, "That's never gonna change."
Just wanted to say I appreciate the courtesy with which everyone is responding to each other. There seems to be a difference of opinion about some things regarding C,
but people are being kind and respectful.
Kate is big news in her mind and on a couple of blogs, pro/con devoted to her. And to quote Kate, "That's never gonna change."
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You're right. I think Kate's D-list status keeps Collin's story-which I think is quite big and disturbing-out of the mainstream media.
I do believe that one day, the whole tapestry will come to light and people will look upon these famewhore parents who sell their children for public consumption to be repulsive and scum.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 177
Just wanted to say I appreciate the courtesy with which everyone is responding to each other. There seems to be a difference of opinion about some things regarding C,
but people are being kind and respectful.
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The respect and feeling of being heard here is quite refreshing.
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Just wanted to say I appreciate the courtesy with which everyone is responding to each other. There seems to be a difference of opinion about some things regarding C,
but people are being kind and respectful.
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I agree. Eons ago I tweeted, when there was more humor--birds with no arms kinds of things. It was back when Walt was funny. I remember once he said Kate is so frustrating she could make a priest kick in a stained glass window.
Then the humor disappeared, sadly. I left when the Twitter haters started becoming vile.
Has exposing Kate's behavior on this blog made a difference in the lives of her children? It certainly doesn't appear to have made one.
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W don't know yet what difference public exposure of Kate's misdeeds will or won't do for the children, but what it comes down to is you either believe public figures should be criticized and exposed where warranted, or you don't. If you don't, that's fine, but it goes against the very spirit of free speech in this country, especially when one is selling themselves to the public as a public figure. To suggest any of this is hurtful to the kids is pure speculation, but I can't fathom a civilized discussion of these issues coupled with a great deal of genuine concern would bother any child so much as the initial disclosure to the public by his own mother. The kids aren't stupid. They know who put their private lives on TV. In this case, you really do have to shoot the messenger.
You're right. I think Kate's D-list status keeps Collin's story-which I think is quite big and disturbing-out of the mainstream media.
I do believe that one day, the whole tapestry will come to light and people will look upon these famewhore parents who sell their children for public consumption to be repulsive and scum.
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I think that's very possible. However, I think it's a long way down the road. People aren't quite through with "reality" TV yet.
I'm a big advocate of streaming -- Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, PBS. I've seen such superb shows, many from other countries. Once people realize the myriad choices, things will change. People really don't like change. I've touted the advantages of streaming to many friends and they seem interested, but just aren't ready to check it out for some reason.
I really just want to hear that Collin is living with his dad. I feel so bad for him
I have no "need" to know the details, however, I think most people here are concerned about what is going on with Collin, and "want" to know that he is okay, not just take his mother's word that he's "plugging, trucking, plodding,etc." along.
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That's where I'm at. I need no details. I don't care where he's at, though I do care if the facility is not up to par. But we have an abused and exploited child here. Let's keep talking about it. If just one parent makes a different choice after thinking over what Kate has done, that's a good thing.
Nothing was ever solved when it comes to abused and exploited children by saying well, let's keep this private, let's not talk about it. Exhibit A: PENN STATE.
I think that's very possible. However, I think it's a long way down the road. People aren't quite through with "reality" TV yet.
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Reality is mostly tanking actually. Apparently Celebrity Apprentice bombed, though I watched it and thought it was pretty decent. There are only a few reality shows left, and they almost all get low ratings. 1-2 million or lower. Remember, it used to be most of the prime time line up was reality shows. Not so anymore. I don't count shows like Shark Tank or game shows as reality, I'm talking about shows following around people in their "real" lives.
I think traditional reality shows have become just another niche area like tiny house shows or sci-fi. By no means makes up most of our TV offerings, but will always have a little spot on the lineup. Scripted TV, much of it streamed, dominates now. Much of it is VERY good, and the public knows it.
Alexis was a very popular name back then. Maybe Kate just liked the name. Two of my friends named their babies Alexis and they weren't named after the McCaughey kids.
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Nah, too much of a coincidence. Of all the names out there even the popular ones, to have TWO kids with the same name as the other septuplets---I don't think so. What a coinky-dink! Sorry, just wanted to say that. :)
Also, it was widely reported she was obsessed with that family. She paid attention to them. It wasn't like she just read the headline and then moved on like all the normal people did. She knew all those kids' names and she watched all the freebies they got.
So I googled Blue Apron salmon burgers, and sure enough, they have a recipe where you cook the salmon first!! Apparently adding eggs to the cooked salmon mixture helps to keep them moist.
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Oh, Blue Apron. I would argue if you add eggs to it that makes them salmon CAKES, not burgers.
Pet peeve, when people use the wrong name for food.
Speaking of salmon cakes, I really LOVE this recipe, made it several times:
http://www.realsimple.com/food-recipes/browse-all-recipes/dijon-salmon-cakes-couscous
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 182Nothing was ever solved when it comes to abused and exploited children by saying well, let's keep this private, let's not talk about it. Exhibit A: PENN STATE.
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Apples and oranges. Penn State got national exposure, millions more watched Penn State games than watch Kate. LOL Kate just doesn't rate the exposure necessary to be brought down.
Putting these goofy, egocentric celeb's lives under a microscope, fine. I, personally, draw the line when it comes to their children.
Admin (#183), not only are people watching the scripted shows they're crazy about, they are re-watching them. And chatting and tweeting about them afterwards. That's taking up more time and attention in their lives, leaving less room for shows like the wacky hijinks of a family of multiples.
Interesting that all the episodes of her show this season can be watched on demand (TLC) within 24 hours after it's aired. All the shows are listed except the last one with the twins birthday. Hmmmmm....
Admin (#185), whatever it was called, it was only a stunt dinner, probably enjoyed by the crew daddies and/or the dogs when the director yelled "cut" and it was time to leave for the real party. Heck, the salmon scene may have even been filmed after the real party. Because realest reality.
NOIP said: " Jon's father made a significant deposit on their first house with generous monthly donations. The second house came with Beth & Bobs generous financial help. TLC opened their wallet to put a fabulous deposit & closing costs + first month taxes. The $300,000 that came from second home sale was used to pay for the 23 acres. "
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This all seems very specific. How do you know all of this? The only thing that seems reasonable and was reported on in the press is how Jon's father helped Jon and Kate. All of the other stuff I have never heard of.
I cannot imagine any long-term treatment for Collin where Jon, the father, is not a part of it. I would think it would be very important for both parents to have an integral part in his therapy. Collin is only 12 so he has many years ahead as a minor and under the care of his parents.
And you would think that the therapists would request joint counseling sessions with both parents. They need to be on the same page in parenting Collin. And the therapists need to explore why Collin is refusing to see his father. I think this is a must. To hell with Kate and what she wants or fears. Collin's needs are much more important than what she dictates to the therapists. The therapists must have picked up by now that Kate is alienating Collin from his father.
I was just curious about the actual numbers and saw the top rated shows from 2015-2016. You have to get to #12 before you get your first reality show, and that's The Voice, which I would argue is more of a musical/variety show than a "reality" show. No one is followed around in their real lives, no one has to be overly personal. Dancing With the Stars ranks and so does American Idol, but not until you get to a whopping number SIXTY-FOUR on the list does a "real" reality show rank, Teen Mom. Following that are just a sprinkling of other reality shows like Real Housewives and Amazing Race, the rest are scripted.
The fact that the highest a reality show that is following people around can rank is 64, says a LOT. Folks, the other 60 shows are mostly scripted television, with a few news or sports mixed in.
Reality shows are not only on their way out, they are already DONE. What's that saying? Don't put all your eggs in one basket, Kate. Diversify.
For those curious, the top five shows, excluding football, all of which are good scripted TV, are Walking Dead, Empire, Big Bang Theory, Game of Thrones, and X-files.
http://www.indiewire.com/2016/05/most-watched-tv-show-2015-2016-season-game-of-thrones-the-walking-dead-football-1201682396/
CC (#1), to answer your question, no. There is nowhere within a decent biking distance that the kids would want to go. It's pretty far for a bike ride , also hilly and curvy and narrow roads, the way Kate goes to the mall for the bus stop. Alternatively, they could bike down to business 422, I guess you could ride but not safest, they could get to a shopping center with Redners and Wendy's. I'm not sure how far, 2-3 miles from the house (shorter as the crow flies but not the roads). Closest is Phoebe, a retirement community where I guess they could get jobs serving in the dining room. Their house really isn't convenient for biking anywhere.
Apples and oranges. Penn State got national exposure, millions more watched Penn State games than watch Kate. LOL Kate just doesn't rate the exposure necessary to be brought down.
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Not really apples and oranges at all. The point is that when people remain silent when kids are getting hurt, it's wrong. It doesn't matter if it's one kid, 20 kids; it doesn't matter if it's a giant institution doing it or just one mother, not ONE child should ever be exploited, abused or hurt.
This is the logical fallacy argument that because there are bigger, badder things out there in the world, we should just move on from Kate. But no matter what cause you're interested in, you can ALWAYS find something worse, so that's pretty circular logic that with a sweeping brush discounts just about everybody.
It MATTERS that Kate is being called out for the child exploiter she is, even if it only matters for eight kids, one kid, or no kid at all. It's important to a lot of people to point out all the ways this is wrong, regardless of the outcome, although I think everyone is hoping for a better one that what has happened so far. Please don't scold people for taking an interest in one sweet, abused child's outcome. It's a manifestation of all the warnings and predictions we made all this time. There's an unfortunate "I told you so" component to this that one can only dare hope other parents who may be considering exploiting their kids notice.
Oh, Blue Apron. I would argue if you add eggs to it that makes them salmon CAKES, not burgers.
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But if you put them on buns (rolls), don't they then become burgers, or are they still salmon cakes on rolls?
Does this sound like a sheeple food question?
Nothing was ever solved when it comes to abused and exploited children by saying well, let's keep this private, let's not talk about it. Exhibit A: PENN STATE.
That analogy doesn't work for me. In that case there were facts as one by one of the victims came forward with the same story. With Collin, we don't have the facts. We don't know if he was sent away, if he was removed from that home and Kate protested, we don't know if his issues involved violence (either to an adult or siblings), or if his behavior was such that he tried to harm himself.
"It was back when Walt was funny. I remember once he said Kate is so frustrating she could make a priest kick in a stained glass window."
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Wasn't Walt the Kelly guy here, the flip flopper who bounced back and forth from blogs to Twitter, bashing the previous place he had been? Am I confusing him with someone else?
Child abusers count on you never having enough facts to really call them out. That's why they keep it so hidden and so shameful.
Leslie.... It's all in Roberts book. Members of Kate's family & Jodi's. Might be worth another read if you have it.
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