Sunday, February 26, 2017

Recap: Kate Plus 8 "Beach Time!": Shoulda let her strings go, Ike

Coming up on Kate Plus 8, another baller vacation, this time in Alabama, where they pretty must do every expensive excursion you could possibly do at the ocean.  This is their "yearly" trip to the ocean, says Kate, and by yearly she means if they are filming she will finagle a trip to the ocean. They also finally train their almost six-month-old puppies, who should have been trained four months ago. Don't try to figure it out, one has absolutely nothing to do with the other. You know, why does one get puppies over the summer anyway if you know you're going to be out of town so much? Part of the reason they're so poorly behaved is because their owners are not providing them any consistency.

Kate again emphasizes they came in late last night. We were all shaking our heads to realize they filmed the space camp footage and traveled a six hour drive to the beach house all in the same day. What reason would she have to lie about that? Wouldn't she lie and say the opposite, that they filmed it over several days, so as not to give the appearance of over-working the kids? We had a discussion on the blog about this show's budget, and all signs are suggesting it's been slashed dramatically. From having to film everything in just a day or two, to hauling in their own food from grocery stores instead of eating out, to now, vacationing in the deep South in the dead of summer, when prices tend to hit rock bottom because it's so hot and muggy. God bless Alabama, but it's not so comfortable in August.

There's an aerial shot of the beach house, and it's huge. It's a mansion, with a big dock right along a beautiful inlet. In the background, you can see the city just a hop, skip and a jump away. And this after Kate claimed the house was in the middle of nowhere so they had to bring all their own food in. No they're not.

They're about to go parasailing, and Kate demands they all finish up lunch quickly or she "might ask the man to let the strings go." I'm all for having a sense of humor with your kids, but why is Kate constantly teasing about things that could either kill or cause great bodily harm to her children? It's truly creepy, no joke.

Those "girls" of Kate's, oy! Put them away, especially in the kitchen. Is this a brothel or summer vacation?

The parasailing instructor Ike introduces his crew but gets bored when Kate tries to introduce herself and instead he just keeps giving directions, cutting her off. Heh, I have a funny feeling he really doesn't care who she is or what this filming is all about, this is just another customer to keep safe and provide a good experience to and on to the next one. He will soon go the way to the river raft man, I feel this one coming.

Oddly, there is no discussion of seasickness this time. We have to have the conversation on every other boat ride, what gives? The three youngest girls whoosh up first, and love it. Everyone is shocked how high they go up when parasailing, including me. 450 feet?! Yowser. Okay, I'll give Kate a pass here on not liking this. This is way too much like skydiving, only even worse, there's no instructor with you and the harnesses look really flimsy. The boys and the twins take a crack at it, too. You guessed it, this was fun.

A long discussion from Kate about how she didn't want to be pressured into doing this. What dramatics. I didn't see anyone pressuring her. It's no skin off Ike's back whether she goes or not and the kids don't care. In fact most kids wouldn't care what mom does or doesn't do. It's all about them at this age. The kids were enjoying their own fun on this ride, and telling her all about it, and if she wants to do it fine, if she doesn't, it's not their problem. This actually is part of her narcissism, that she thinks anyone gives a damn what she wants to do with herself. Nobody does. Heh, I like the flashback to the New Zealand bungie jumping, where Brad pushes her off the ledge. One of the few flashbacks they should just keep playing over and over. Ike is finally like well are you going or not, decide now. That's right, it's really freaking annoying when someone is holding up the group with their indecisiveness. Oh good Lord, she's crying now. Ike is like, okay, nope abort. Seriously! I love that he's not putting up with her shenanigans. Either jump in the deep end or not, but if not, get off the damn diving board so everyone else can carry on with their fun.



Of course Kate refuses to abort because at the end of the day she knows good and damn well she will do this, that this is all for maximum show and attention and making sure this is all about her. She demands Ike only send her up a few feet.  Once again in an effort to make herself feel better, she's made the ride more precarious. Common sense suggests that's terribly unsafe. You wouldn't get as much wind in the sail that way, and if anything goes wrong, there's absolutely no room to correct it before you slam face first into the back of the boat. Idiot. Nope, that's not how it works, is essentially Ike's response.

Kate eventually gets on the ride, with the obligatory screaming and screeching and parentified Aaden and Cara going up with her to comfort her. Kate remarks once again that it was not being able to swim that was one of the things bothering her. Good God, then get some swimming lessons for the love of holy heck and then that fear will be solved. Holy moly. And by the way, from that height, not being able to swim is not going to be the problem if anything does malfunction. I mean, you're dead from 450 feet if it failed. Is she dumb, or just stupid? By the way, in some brief googling about parasailing accidents, I found that the Federal Aviation Administration has regulated parasailing to 400 feet maximum. So, was Ike exaggerating when he said they would go up 450, or breaking the law? Hm.

Let me be clear here, there's nothing wrong with not liking parasailing. I'll admit it, I would never do this and do not feel unfulfilled for not doing so. About on average one death every 1-2 years doing this is enough for me to say no thanks. But to cause all this drama is uncalled for.

You know, the kids were having fun. A blast. They loved seeing the sites from up high and no one was fighting or bickering, or feeling sick to their stomach, or upset. Doofus ruined a rare pleasant outing. And I think a huge part of her disturbing psychology is that she can't help but ruin it. One, because she's petrified it won't be good footage because calmness in her mind is boring to viewers. And two, she can't help but want the attention all on her. Quite the opposite, I enjoyed seeing the kids relaxed like this, it was good to see them have a moment where everything was working out. It only got obnoxious when the plot turned to her freak out.

Kate does a weird nervous slithering snake thing with her tongue on the ride. The twins make fun of it. It's almost like a tick, which may be just a tiny clue into the chemistry of her brain. That's something a six-year-old would do when they are stressed, not a mature adult woman who has control of herself. If you don't believe something is very wrong with her upstairs, I don't know what to tell you.

Heh, they do a private interview with Ike once back on shore, who calls Kate a basket case. He should have let her strings go, eh?! I expect about five years from now Kate will be trashing him just like she did the rafting instructor from five years ago, because that's how this woman rolls.

The next "day" (I'm keeping track of the days now, it's got my attention), they go on a segway tour.  Joel's segway won't go fast, to which Cara calls him "stupid." Um, no, he's not stupid. His segway wouldn't go fast because it was on "beginner" mode. It had nothing to do with Joel. These kids always jump to the most cutting, nasty remarks about each other, and often it's completely unjustified. One of the instructors fixes it for him and he starts going at normal speeds, no big deal and no cause for cutting him down, Cara.

They were "naturing along" on the segways and it started to rain. Naturing??



It's a little hard to tell what's going on next amid all the whining, but it certainly appears that Mady and Kate are ready to make the whole group call it quits because of the sprinkle that's messing up their hair. Many of the other kids are very distraught at the idea of cutting this short, as they should be. What the hell? It's not pouring nor do I see any lightning which would make this unsafe, and once again, it's hella rude to quit a group activity when so many other people would like to continue, not to mention the instructors who made great efforts to set this up nice for you. And probably, are doing so with the understanding built into this that filming will include some free promotion. Therefore, quitting early is even more not cool in this scenario. Same as what they did on the horseback ride in the Poconos! Just quit!



I'm well aware Mady is just a child, but she is extremely selfish and spoiled, and I have never once heard Kate tell her she is being selfish and spoiled, to knock it off, get back on her segway, and suck it the F up, as she should as the parent. In fact in this case, Kate backed her up! What?! The instructor wants to know if these kids always complain this much. I'll answer: yes. Kate doesn't seem at all embarrassed a perfect stranger has within minutes pegged her kids as massive bellyachers. She should be mortified they are behaving this way in public, or at all.

Kate gets mad when Lex stops in the middle of the path, and blames Lex for almost making her crash. No, Doofus, you need to pay attention to what's in front of you and be ready to stop if you need to. I wonder how many cars she's rear-ended in her lifetime. I'm guessing a lot. And it was their fault too they stopped you told the cops, right?

Kate refuses to turn the speed up on her machine, yet is complaining (after that guy just told them they complain too much) that kids are darting in front of her on the road. Cara explains that the reason everyone is darting in front of her is indeed because she's going too darn slow. Well, that makes sense.

"I'm so tired of getting picked on about everything I do, just leave me be!" says 12-year-old doofus here.

Sigh. You weren't being "picked on," Kate. You were being called out, correctly so, for being obnoxious on a fun activity. Same with the parasailing; if you can't keep up, sit it out. But don't insist on doing something you really aren't mentally prepared for, and then spoil everyone else's fun. It's refreshing to see the kids call her out now that they're older, yet at the same time, I'm really sorry that their lives have to involve calling out their raging lunatic of a mother so much. It looks stressful.

It's their last day. So, I clocked the beach portion of the trip at three full days, plus their one full day at space camp, for a grand total of four full days on the trip to make two episodes, not counting flying days. Wow. What is the point to travel this far for less than a week?! These kids must be absolutely beat.

Kate makes half full coffee cups of oatmeal with a few drops of liquid brown sugar, and a third of a small cup of orange juice, which is not nearly enough food for kids this age, period, especially those about to do a very physical activity. We watch her pour the oatmeal into the pot and can see how little she puts in for eight people. Thankfully there are a few big croissants floating around, but it's unclear how much they each got to eat of each of them. An airy croissant is not going to fill a kid up either unless they eat a lot of them. I never hear the kids complain they're hungry, I wonder if they've just accepted the dainty portion sizes. So many of them seem irritable all the time, one really has to wonder if it's because they're getting hungry within a few hours of eating. Once conditioned to under eat for so long, they might not recognize and connect their irritability to their hunger. I think I was one of the bloggers here in the past to ere on the side of concerns about their food intake are probably overblown, but I've been rethinking it lately. The undersized portions are much more noticeable now and much more concerning now that they are older and need to eat more. Almost all the kids are thin, and I daresay a lot of them have a dull look to their skin (or bad skin in general) and hair which can be a strong indication they're not filling up on all those yummy calories a 12-year-old craves or drinking enough. Another thing to note is that everyone got the same exact portions. With eight kids, there's going to be some kids who are eating more than others. It's unlikely they all need exactly the same amount. For instance, at this age the boys and the twins should be starting to have appetites that pull away from the younger sisters. In some cases, a 12-year-old boy will want to eat nearly double what the girls are eating. In any case, nothing starts a day off terribly than not getting enough to eat and drink.

The kids take over this big floating trampoline thing in the middle of the water. Huh, is that theirs to use? And who is lifeguarding this when Kate can't swim? Incredibly dangerous. Oh, and by the way, once again she won't let them dish up the amount of oatmeal and brown sugar they would like. She has to portion it out for them like they're in a nursing home. It would have been nice to just stay at a hotel with a breakfast buffet and let them fill up their own trays, full of as much waffles, yogurt, eggs and biscuits 'n' sausage gravy they want. And a tall glass of juice.

This is getting tedious. Next they go kayaking, where this instructor has to tell the group to relax and calm down, and that they're here to have fun. Again, isn't it embarrassing that a perfect stranger has to tell your family to relax and calm down? Is anyone in this family feeling chagrinned at all, or are they so used to making a scene it doesn't phase them anymore? Ha, I'm liking Alabamians. This instructor, Chris, flat out tells them, eh, I'm not gonna remember any of your names but whatever, sure, you're Kate. Lol. She must just hate this blasé attitude by the locals. No one seems at all impressed by them or seems to know who they even are.

At some point Mady loses phone privileges because she pushed Kate's kayak away. Huh, what? Kate has an absolute meltdown over who even knows what. Kate is convinced this was an intermediate kayaking trip. Not in the slightest! It was a flat little inlet. Baby to beginner at best. What is she even talking about? Not really relaxing though, right under a freeway overpass. Heh, drowns Kate out though.

The instructor finally gives up and tethers his kayak to Kate, towing her back. What a dolt.

Heh, the instructor jokes that they have four miles left. Well, he'll go the way of Brad and river man in short order.

The way Kate angrily grits her teeth and says "Hannah, stop paddling!" was flipping scary. It's the tone of voice nasty parents use right before they yank their child's ear two feet up. In all seriousness, there are a lot of red flags present that this woman still harbors a very, very serious anger management problem. If she can't even keep it together while on camera, it is frightening to imagine what her limits are off camera. (Here are some of the tell-tale signs of an anger issue and Kate pretty much displays all of them just in this one episode: Criticizing, belittling, putting down, lack of patience, irritability and short temper, blaming everyone and everything else, people avoid you, people feel like they're walking on eggshells around you, and so on.)

Well this is sad. The instructor in his private interview said he had intended to take the group out to collect some trash and do a mini environmental clean-up, but he had to scratch that plan. Good job ruining everything, Kate. Again.

The vacation comes to an abrupt end and now we start the completely unrelated storyline of training the puppies. Naturally they get private one-on-one training with professional dog trainers, which is exorbitantly expensive. Kate spends a long time explaining how much of a crazy dog lady Kate is, with little to no clips to really back that up. I mostly get the impression the dogs to her are, depending on the day, a mild inconvenience to up to a total nuisance. Meanwhile when the dog trainer lady comes in, I know instantly she's a sincere dog lover without her just talking about it, as she greets the dogs down at their level in that baby voice true dog lovers use to speak to their dogs: "Who's a booo-tiful girl, yes yoo are!"

Kate? That's a crazy dog lady. Not you.

The dog lady is using clicker training? That's going to be way too complicated for this family. You guessed it, right out of the gate Kate is arguing with the trainers. What a pest she is.

Cara's picking lint again as Mady is explaining what is at the end of the day pretty boring.

I do like the trainer's firm emphasis on positive training. She believes in never punishing the dog at all, which is what I believe, too, mostly because I believe it is the most humane, but also because it just works better. Kate desperately needs this kind of training in parenting teens, I'm serious. She would really benefit from some one-on-one parenting training, I really think it would make everyone all around happier if she used some other technique, any other technique, other than being such an obnoxious nag yelling at them all the time. Click, Kate. Click click!

Kate says she has to say "come" 500 times. That's what she said.

The kids are having fun during all this, wrestling a bit, and there's Kate yelling and hollering at them again and making snide, unfunny remarks. She doesn't see the irony in all this emphasis on positive reinforcement, as she's being nothing but negative to the kids.

She thinks her joke about how the kids need children training is so funny she says it twice to the trainer and yet another time on the couch. I get a kick out of it when she gets so proud of herself for coming up with the most minimally clever dumb lines. Heh. In any case, no, Kate. The children are fine. They are children. You are the one who needs intensive, one-on-one parenting instruction. It's you. 

Oh stop the presses, at age six months, someone is actually teaching these dogs how to walk on a leash. My God. Hint, put your dog on a leash and get them used to it the moment you bring them home and you won't have such an issue with a dog who looks nearly full grown looking at a leash like a confused child stumped by a math problem. That's pretty damning evidence these dogs have never been walked before in their lives. Another huge reason they are poorly behaved. It is not enough to just let a dog run around a big yard, they must be actually walked by an owner, on a leash. There are numerous articles all over the internet explaining why if you're interested in knowing more about that.

Next up, Sweet 16 for the twins. I kind of question whether a kid who picks lint on the couch the whole time during these episodes really wants her birthday party filmed. Sixteen, whew. Digest that for a second, the twins are sixteen and still being filmed. For the record, we first met them when they looked like this. That's them in between their parents:


Sixteen candles, Kate remarks. Heh, a poor man's Molly Ringwald.



See you next time.

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Sad but true said...

K8's TLC FB page has just issued a Happy Birthday K8 post and invited others to join in. I just noticed that someone is actively deleting negative comments to this post, for a change. LOL!

NJGal51 said...

Hmmmmmm, it's almost 5:30 back East and TFW still hasn't posted a picture of the most fabulous dinner that the kids prepared for her birthday because she's the most wonderful mom in the world and they love her so much. Wait for it because it's coming.

Tucker's Mom said...

NJGal51 said... 4
Hmmmmmm, it's almost 5:30 back East and TFW still hasn't posted a picture of the most fabulous dinner that the kids prepared for her birthday because she's the most wonderful mom in the world and they love her so much. Wait for it because it's coming.
March 28, 2017 at 2:21 PM
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Hmm...how to post about the kids wishing Happy Birthday the bestest Mommy in the world when Kate isn't Plus 8?

Sandi said...

FlimsyFlamsy said #5 Gladys is a DORC...agree lol
We have OCRD and DORC, lets add OCR-Obsessive Celebrity Relationship~

Source~Wikipedia
Evidence indicates that poor mental health is correlated with celebrity worship.
Intense-Personal~
This is an intermediate level of obsession that is associated with neuroticism as well as behaviors linked to psychoticism. An example of an intense-personal attitude toward a celebrity would include claims as "I consider my favorite celebrity to be my soulmate."



ncgirl said...

"When I envision Jon stripping I think of Phoebe on Friends yelling, "My eyes! My eyes!"

This reminds me of the episode where Danny Devito was a stripper. I'd just as soon see him as Magic Jon.

ncgirl said...

Jon is not just a random person. His actions have consequences. The kids have been through enough. He's as bad as Kate pursuing fame and money through any means. Kate's fans say we never say anything bad about Jon. Well, we're complaining about him now.

Sad but true said...

kateplusmy8 Hannah told me to 'do whatever I wanted to do today' since it's my birthday... so... I did... I slept in, kids made me breakfast in bed (before school!!) and I lounged with my dogs... #SimpleBirthdayPleasures
#ImBlessed #IHaveTheBestKidsAndDogsEver

Breakfast in bed at 6:30 a.m.? There's just nothing believable about this story line. Maybe TLC will have the film to confirm it.

SaraMRN2010 said...

http://renewcanceltv.com/tlc-2017-18-renewals-little-couple-little-people-big-world-kate-plus-8-outdaughtered/

Looks like she got renewed. Will her 15 minutes ever be up!

Tucker's Mom said...

Looks like she got renewed. Will her 15 minutes ever be up!
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Amazing with Kate's crappy ratings.

Over And Out said...

Someone on Twitter has commented about "Heidi." Forgive my ignorance, but who or want is Heidi?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Sad but true (#9), that was my same thought. If this breakfast really happened,
it was for the cameras. No way 7 kids were bustling around in the kitchen on a school morning.

So the woman who likes to sleep in and go to bed early opted for "lounging" as her birthday activity? There was no friend to grab a cup of coffee with? No one to treat her to lunch? No excursion to a museum or library or the movies or something out of the ordinary? Who knows -- maybe she went to the spa, but doesn't want to share that, because it gets in the way of her poor single mom shtick. But I have to say, that post makes her life sound so very mediocre.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kate's bedroom always looks like a pigsty. I couldn't sleep with such a mess!

Even as a dog lover-dog crazy person-she's got to change the subject matter once in awhile!

NJGal51 said...

JMO but I think she was willing to do anything to be renewed and maybe even took a pay cut because her ratings were so miserable. She is addicted to the fame and will whore herself and her kids out to continue her 15 minutes. So more bestest ever birthday parties, more vacations, more freak outs by TFW, more lint picking by Cara and maybe even a mention of Collin just to keeps viewers interested. Will he be home for this year's party and will TFW and TLC whore him out for ratings. Nothing is beyond her.

NJGal51 said...

Over and Out - It's been speculated that Milo's real name is Heidi.

To add to my previous post, TFW will probably be nothing more than a filler show. I think her days of being the prime time diva are over and she'll have the same sort of time slot that she's had for the past few years.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

The whole house is always so cluttered, I feel bad for the kids not being able to have a tidy environment to grow up in. It doesn't have to be perfect, but I don't understand why every foot of a dining room table needs to be cluttered with crap. How does a kid sit at it, do homework, play a board game, spread out an art project? What a shame.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Looks like she got renewed. Will her 15 minutes ever be up!

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I believe the sightings that she is filming, they are almost always right. But I don't see that that site has any source on the renewal. I think they're a content farm with "fake news" and just take educated guesses on what will happen. They would have to cite someone--a source at TLC, a TLC press release, something. They don't.

Even the whole article sounds computer generated. I'm not sure a human even wrote it.

Anonymous said...

I noticed that in her birthday greeting to TFW, "Paige" included (in past tense) "I remember when this day felt like my birthday I was so obsessed." About time Paige grew up - she must be in her middle 20's by now.

bm

FlimsyFlamsy said...

bm (#19), I thought Paige and Gladys' birthday greetings presented an interesting celebrity worship comparison. First you had young woman laughing off her childish obsession with a famous person. She was
a kid with a girl crush on her favorite star -- no harm, no foul. She's moved on. And then you had Dr. Gladys Seuss with her unctuous Ode to a Shrew -- as in love with her object of desire as she was the day she dubbed herself Fired Up 4 Kate.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Jon is not just a random person. His actions have consequences. The kids have been through enough. He's as bad as Kate pursuing fame and money through any means. Kate's fans say we never say anything bad about Jon. Well, we're complaining about him now.

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That's right.

I'm not sure Jon is grasping that he's not just Jon Gosselin. I know that's what he wants, but what lead up to this moment is permanent and irreversible. The reality is he's notorious, and you can't make decisions when you're notorious the same way you would if you were just anybody. He also has eight kids in the public eye to think about. It's not like his kids are anonymous.

I still think this could be just a dumb April's Fools joke, though that only mitigates this slightly.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

NJGal51 (#16), yeah, I think poor little sidepiece TFW will continue to remain on TLC's periphery until they have a space to fill. Sitting on the bench. Ridin' the ol' pine. Thinking, "Put me in, coach, I'm ready to play." Maybe we'll see her 42nd birthday episode around Christmas?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

bm (#19), I thought Paige and Gladys' birthday greetings presented an interesting celebrity worship comparison. First you had young woman laughing off her childish obsession with a famous person. She was
a kid with a girl crush on her favorite star -- no harm, no foul. She's moved on. And then you had Dr. Gladys Seuss with her unctuous Ode to a Shrew -- as in love with her object of desire as she was the day she dubbed herself Fired Up 4 Kate.


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yes! One is within the spectrum of normal childhood development, although maybe at the outer bounds of it.

The other is not normal by any stretch of the imagination, strange, creepy, even dangerous. A mental case.

Turn out the lights said...

Who knows What his reasons are. Maybe the money is just too good to pass up.
Last time I looked it wasn't illegal to strip.
Maybe it's just a joke.

Kate forces the kids to support her, what's wrong with what Jon is doing? He isn't making the kids work, nor selling tickets to watch he and the kids frolicking on the beach.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think stripping is morally wrong and mortifies your family. It may be legal in some venues. Lots of things are legal. You don't need to strip to support your family. He can DJ, do IT, put solar panels on roofs. He knows how to do lots of things that make an honest living without embarrassing yourself or others.

Sad but true said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 18

You should check out the link. It's an actual press release from TLC dated today. So yeah, it's true. But there's a lot of miles to go from package to plate, so to speak, and I for one am not ready to accept this as a foregone conclusion. That press release is chock-full of double-speak, and I would love for TLC to actually prove some of the claims they make about their network's recent performance. It's just like the economic performance data---it's all how you slice and dice it, and it's never done the same way twice.

As for the b'day photo, it was clearly not taken today, or at least not this morning b/t 6 and 7 a.m. It's been overcast and raining in her neck of the woods for days, and it is nowhere near that light at 7 a.m. now that we're back on DST. There are no kids and no sign of breakfast in the photo. Just #Nookie on the bed and Shoka on the floor; he's still wearing his green scarf from the last groomer (boarding) visit, so my guess is this was taken last week some time. Mak is of course nowhere to be seen. I wonder if he's under penalty of severeness now that The Little Princess has laid claim to K8's inner sanctum.

For someone who claims 267K Twitter followers, b'day wishes there were well under 100 over the course of the day. On her IG post, still under 4K hearts but somehow 180 HBs to you? (That's the most comments she's gotten on ANY IG post ever.) From a purported 125K followers? Yeah, bot alert. She's supposedly got over a million FB followers on her TLC-run page, and the b'day greetings there are slowly, after 7 hours, creeping up to 300. So let's see: Even assuming no overlap among all groups (which of course cannot be assumed), somehow well under 1K people (worldwide, that is) actually pay attention and/or give a shit that it's Kate Gosselin's b'day. When a Duggar b'day comes around, the numbers for a single post run upwards of 50K. And they're only pulling in a mil or so per episode these days.

I think K8's "popularity" is a figment of her and TLC's collective imaginations, and I don't see that changing any time soon. TLC's probable strategy for this next season will be similar to what they've been doing with the Duggars: Fill as much time as possible with the footage they've already paid for and keep the costs of new production as low as possible. K8 won't have a "season" ready until probably same time as last year---the holiday doldrums. And I wouldn't count on 7 episodes (which, BTW, is how they packaged the last run; that 8th "look-back" episode is not included), I think 4-6 is more likely.

She is coming to the end of the line, but of course she's not going down with dignity. Because that is just not who she is. I must say, I look forward to how they will handle the whole Collin issue. My bet is they ignore it completely except for K8's "heartfelt" (tissues at the ready) couch moments. Now that's where the REAL work will come in.

Turn out the lights said...

But again, stripping, within legal guidelines, is legal.
You can't expect everyone's morals to be the same as yours.
Desperate people do desperate things for quick money.

Who knows if the kids are embarrassed. If anything, they're used to it living with that banshee of a mother.

Sheepless In Seattle said...

The other is not normal by any stretch of the imagination, strange, creepy, even dangerous. A mental case.

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Do the other sheep see this and comment on it, or just basically ignore her? She's mental and really needs help, but her condition just seems to be deteriorating. Where does something like this end?

Sheepless In Seattle said...

Over and Out - It's been speculated that Milo's real name is Heidi.

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Really? Heidi? Nothing wrong with the name, but it doesn't seem to "fit" Milo. The name conjures up blond pigtails and a dirndl. Milo yodeling on a mountain top? Too funny!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think stripping is degrading to both men and women and encourages sexual deviance and is a gateway to illegal behavior like prostitution. I'm not judging simply because my poor puritan eyes are offended. I actually think the routines themselves can be good. I enjoyed Magic Mike. In a vacuum there's nothing wrong with it but we don't live in a vacuum.

That's very different than "judging", say, a garbage collector. Most jobs shouldn't be judged. But some cross a line. This really has more to do with mortifying his public children than anything else.

Exploiting your kids is legal too but you bet I'm gonna judge parents who put their kids to work.

Sad but true said...

This is the longer version of the TLC press release that was included in that link posted above (SaraMRN2010 said... 10).

https://press.discovery.com/us/tlc/programs/tlc-upfront-2017-18/

Sad but true said...

I just realized, in that link I just posted, there is NO mention of the Duggars or Counting On. We know TLC has no plans to pull this show. However could they have completely left it out of a major programming announcement? Very odd.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I don't see the press release link in that article at all! Am I blind??

I do see it from the direct link. Thanks.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I think TLC assumes the Duggars are just a given, like snow in Pennsylvania in the winter, or your morning farts.

Sad but true said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 33

The article leads with the press release, I can see how you might not have noticed the quote marks. It's the paler gray type.

NIOP said...

Sheepless in Seattle. Milo was born in Germany to a German mother and American father.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Ah now I see it. Yes for some reason the light type blended in with the ads to me. Lol.

Tucker's Mom said...

Turn out the lights said... 27
But again, stripping, within legal guidelines, is legal.
You can't expect everyone's morals to be the same as yours.
Desperate people do desperate things for quick money.
*******
It does smell a bit, doesn't it?
Hey, maybe this is Jon's audition tape for DWTS??

I remember going to a Chippendale-type show with a bunch of gal pals, many moons ago. I don't think any of us were into the guys and their sweaty packages bouncing in our faces, but it was more of a group giggle from embarrassment!
Plus, booze ;-)

Gigi Be said...

kateplusmy8 Hannah told me to 'do whatever I wanted to do today' since it's my birthday... so... I did... I slept in, kids made me breakfast in bed (before school!!) and I lounged with my dog.

Doesn't she lounge around in bed everyday once the kids go back to school anyways? I never met anyone who likes to be served as much as she does.

Anonymous said...

I think we shouldn't knock other people's life choices. You never know why some people go into stripping. Maybe, just maybe, some people really like the profession. And that is perfectly fine. If people are comfortable enough with themselves or sexually liberated to do as such, who am I to judge?

-LA

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I think we shouldn't knock other people's life choices. You never know why some people go into stripping. Maybe, just maybe, some people really like the profession. And that is perfectly fine. If people are comfortable enough with themselves or sexually liberated to do as such, who am I to judge?

-LA

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I think if you have to ask yourself would it I want my 12-year-old daughter to take up this profession one day and would she be safe? Then the answer is this is not a wise choice in so many ways.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Gigi Be (#39), I said the same thing last night!
She sleeps late and goes to bed early -- how is lounging a rare treat?!

Anonymous said...

What with her birthday breakfast in bed, sleeping in and lounging with her dogs, who drove the kids to the bus stop? I too think that picture was taken before the birthday event and what a messy bedroom. What is that 'stuff' on the floor? I've never thought she was 'miss neat and tidy' but she does like to push herself as 'miss hygiene'.

bm

Formerly Duped said...

Ugh, 'rare treat' is one of TFW's catchphrases. She said it right from the first episode I think. 'Who was she to say no?" lol

TLC stinks said...

Wanna bet Jon's stripping ties in with some reality show?

Original T said...

What is that on the floor next to her bed? Her room is always filled with junk. Also, why are 90% of her photos taking place in either her bedroom or her kitchen? She has such a large house, why is only in a couple of parts of it?

GollyGee said...

Original T said... 46
What is that on the floor next to her bed? Her room is always filled with junk. Also, why are 90% of her photos taking place in either her bedroom or her kitchen? She has such a large house, why is only in a couple of parts of it?

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Maybe she keeps it just the kitchen and her inner sanctum only because the other rooms are messy, especially the basement. She doesn't want people to think that since she is in bed till noon and in bed at 6 (snark) that she is too lazy to clean it up.

She was so lazy that she waited till Jamie came to stay when she did and asked her to clean the stove hood over her stove. Couldn't believe that Jamie actually did it and stood on the counter, barefooted.

I wonder if the hired help wouldn't or couldn't.

Formerly Duped said...

I think TFW mentioned they 'live' in the kitchen and their bedrooms. Probably the 'good' rooms are not used. Her bedroom doesn't look that bad to me...are those gift boxes by her bed?I wouldn't take a photo of mine, however, before the bed is made. Or does she not even make hers! The time she posted the kids with gifts from fans in her room and her dresser was full of junk and a bottle-o-wine I would call messy! And I recall the kids' rooms in the old E-town epis sometimes had the beds in quite a state of disarray.So I didn't find this photo all that messy for her standards.

Kelsey O. said...

The fact that Jon had to "clear it with his kids first" shows maybe it wasn't the smartest decision. This will probably push the twins even farther away. Can't imagine any high school that would not be embarrassed by their parent working at an adult entertainment club. Poor kids, a mother who screams and makes a scene on national tv, and a father who is a stripper.

Tucker's Mom said...

Kelsey O. said... 49
The fact that Jon had to "clear it with his kids first" shows maybe it wasn't the smartest decision. This will probably push the twins even farther away
*****
Not that Jon should be beholden to Mady, but you're right: this ain't gonna help that child with the attitude adjustment she so richly needs and deserves.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

GollyGee (#47), TFW also recruited Jamie
and Andrea to assist with her holiday baking extravaganza. Not a big deal -- friendships are about give and take. But am I the only one who suspects TFW's friendships are light on the giving, and heavy on the taking? She made her priorities very clear when she casually described her estrangement from her parents: "They didn't know how to help us." And judging by the other relationships piled up on the curb, they weren't the only ones.

Unknown said...

I don't think we should knock others professions either but if you put yourself out there we should be able comment. I sort of have given Jon a pass for most dumb stuff because.... well he is dumb. But this makes me not like him at all and would never be able to take him seriously as a functioning adult possible friend. To chase after the attention, popping up when you think maybe he is settled down and doing the right stuff and stay focused on his children to show them the "high road" since their mother never will. Looks like he lost too. It is so sad these kids have such dysfunctional parents. If any of them turn out normal it will be God's Blessings that will have to do it. John gets an "F- fail" in parenting this year and it is only March.

jamesvader1194 said...

@Sad but true (26) I dont know what TLC thinks in regards to Kate's popularity but i remember for a fact that when TLC brought back the duggar girls for a special and it got decent ratings like over 1 million.TLC deluded themselves into thinking that this was proof that the majority of America still cared about the duggars.Nevermind all the people who were protesting them.With Kate,they've cancelled her before on their own because of low ratings.So i have no idea about whats holding them back from doing this now.I truly think TLC has this strange devotion to Kate where they have to continue filming their lives since they've done that since they were born.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Did TFW thank the fans for their birthday wishes? Maybe she did, but I don't think anyone posted about it here. I know one year she didn't say boo -- maybe when she was away doing Celebrity Apprentice?

Tucker's Mom said...

Rae Barnes said... 52
I don't think we should knock others professions either but if you put yourself out there we should be able comment. I sort of have given Jon a pass for most dumb stuff because.... well he is dumb
...John gets an "F- fail" in parenting this year and it is only March.
^^^
Thanks for the LOL, Rae!

I can say that I'm interested to read comments about Jon's "Magic Mike" moment ;-)
Oh, to be a fly on the wall.

Tucker's Mom said...

.So i have no idea about whats holding them back from doing this now.I truly think TLC has this strange devotion to Kate where they have to continue filming their lives since they've done that since they were born.
******
It seems to me, given the craptastic ratings, that Kate and Steve just might have locked in X seasons when they penned her last contract.
Kate is never going to hit it out of the park ever again, with the tired, thread-bare, formulaic, repetitive and reductive show that is Kate Plus 8.

Tucker's Mom said...

I wonder if Deanna played the obsequious side kick to Kate on her birthday this year, given it didn't involve a lux vacay to a beach resort.
If Deanna's still hanging around, she's very much under the radar.

Sad but true said...

Nope. No thank-yous for fans. "I did it for them"? Yeah, sure ya did. I wonder if ALL the kids were present.

kateplusmy8 Yesterday. I turned the BIG 4-2. This is what it looks like! Took the kids out to dinner and they made sure I got a HUGE firework placed upon my brownie dessert! I did it for them...😳 Seriously tho, I'm so happy to have my kids, health and pets. Life is good...even at my age lol! 🎈🎉🎂

JustMissy said...

Ha ha! Someone on her "I did it all for them" Instagram post about taking her kids out to dinner for her birthday wrote "You probably yelled at the wait staff and demanded free food". What about her lazing away in bed all day? I guess she managed to crawl out of bed.

Dmasy said...

OT -- I am reading "A Mother's Reckoning" by Sue Klebold. She is the mother of Dylan Klebold one of the Columbine High School shooters. Unbelievably, that tragedy was 18 years ago.

I have to catch my breath and re-read some of her sentences. It is a book of sadness and insight.

She shares her grief in hopes that we can all learn something.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Talking about a new season makes me wonder about how producer (oy) TFW approaches her "job." I can just see her scribbling an annual bucket list, disguised
as loglines for the episodes. Like:
-It's pandemonium overseas when the Gosselins spend a month in Europe!!!
-It's pandemonium in Cancun when Kate decides to get a bedroom makeover, and has to take her brood out of town while it's getting completed!!!
-It's pandemonium at home when TFW leaves town for _________ (fill in any additional dream spot) to _________ (fill in any phony speaking engagement) and lets the kids run the house!!!
-It's pandemonium at Deanna's house when Kate gets head-to-toe plastic surgery -- um,
I mean, an emergency appendectomy -- and leaves her brood with her BFF!!!

Jane said...

jgosselin10. Huge video announcement Saturday night at 11pm after the show go to… instagram.com/p/BSPJq2UDRHZ/

Rainbowsandunicorns said...

Sheepless in Seattle. Milo was born in Germany to a German mother and American father.

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She actually tweeted something that personal about herself? How did the tweeters, or tweetlets or twits on Kate's TL figure out her name is Heidi?

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Jane (#62), oh, dear, I have a bad feeling about this...

NJGal51 said...

Jon posted that he'll have a big announcement on his FB page Saturday after the show. I know I'm in the minority here but I'm reserving judgment on Jon until we know what he's actually doing in the show. I really don't think he'll be stripping but will admit it if I'm wrong.

As far as TFW's "this is how I look", yeah, with full makeup and recent Botox and other work. I'll reserve judgement on her also until I see her sans makeup in her natural habitat screaming at the kids.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Dmasy (#60), that book sounds riveting and heartbreaking. It's amazing what the human spirit can endure. I'm sure that woman lived through unspeakable pain, but has somehow found a way to go on.

jamesvader1194 said...

Yes Kate,how darn you not take the time out of your day to pay attention to milo's IG post.Doesn't she know Milo is her Bestie? miloandjack2016 Well no comment?..or dig at me? for my pathetic poetic #OdeToFortyTwo I sent YOU on #IG yesterday? I was expecting some snark from you...😋 @kateplusmy8

FlimsyFlamsy said...

NJGal51 (#65), I do hope you are right! Maybe it's an elaborate April Fool's joke,
to be followed by a reveal about some new and interesting career direction.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Jamesvader1194 (#67), whoa, that's pretty disturbing, even for Gladys. She's not gonna be ignored, Dan!

Unknown said...

Rainbowsandunicorns. Yes she did and more. Her brother (deceased now I think) was born in the US. Her father was an American soldier. She is 55years old this summer. She spoke freely in the days before the Gosselin wars
She lies a lot, not as much as Kate but she spreads it on thick to the other fools she tweets to like Carlene & CJ who profess to be teachers. Nearest they've been to teaching is picking up & dropping off their kids at school. The nutty thing is the stories they tell on their blogs 'out' themselves as liars.
That poor dog of Heidi's still has some traction, she said she's had him since 8 weeks old or something, if so, that would make him 18 years old..never heard of a lab living that long. I have a tweet of hers talking about him being 12 years old in 2011. No wonder they admire Kate, they're all a bunch of lying wacko's.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I think Gladys' distress at not having gotten
a response to her birthday poem pretty
much confirms what most of us have always believed: that they do not have private ways of communicating. Gladys takes whatever bones TFW throws her way on Twitter or
Insta -- maybe one response to every 25 comments -- and that's the extent of their relationship. Ever since TFW gave her that shout-out on TV, Gladys has been "chasing the dragon," but she'll never have that high again.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Rae Barnes, you said what I'm trying to say! Only much better. There is so much about Jon I haven't judged and will never judge. But this crossed the line for me. I hope he proves us wrong.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Kelsey O. said... 49
The fact that Jon had to "clear it with his kids first" shows maybe it wasn't the smartest decision. This will probably push the twins even farther away

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GREAT POINT. If you have to consult with your kids about something in the first place that's probably a red flag you shouldn't do it. Most things in life you should just know are good or not good for your children. I have no problem with you hearing your child's opinions on things and making sure you understand their feelings and desires, but don't make them feel like they have veto power! They're not old enough to make decisions like this for you, it puts too much pressure on them.

Kate and Jon, could you please not burden your children with important life decisions like you parents repeatedly have? They are CHILDREN. They shouldn't have to sit here and ponder such adult problems and feel the emotional burden of their parent laying such things on them.

Sherry Baby said...


I have no problem with you hearing your child's opinions on things and making sure you understand their feelings and desires, but don't make them feel like they have veto power!

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I haven't been following this. Is that what he did? Did he say that if they didn't approve then he wouldn't do it, or did he just explain to them what he was doing and ask their opinion? If they objected, would he have decided against doing it?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Jon says he "cleared it" with the kids. That to me suggests a very inappropriate burden on his children. He didn't say we discussed it or I listened to how they felt, implying they were a part of the discussion but not the actual approval. He flat out said it was cleared by them. It's just so dysfunctional.

Sherry Baby said...

She lies a lot, not as much as Kate but she spreads it on thick to the other fools she tweets to like Carlene & CJ who profess to be teachers. Nearest they've been to teaching is picking up & dropping off their kids at school.

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Not sure about Defective, but I remember someone looking up Carlene's credentials. There was an article written about her when her daughter went off to school; she was googled, and while I'm not sure she was an actual teacher, she was inside the classroom as an assistant in a computer lab. Her last name was easily found, if I recall, and she was listed at the school where she claimed she "taught."

Sherry Baby said...

He didn't say we discussed it or I listened to how they felt, implying they were a part of the discussion

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But he didn't say that he didn't discuss it with them, did he? I'm confused. Maybe he just didn't want to get into all of that and just commented on what he thought needed to be said. Do we really know if or how much the children were involved in this decision?

I'm not defending him nor dissing him because I'm not making any judgment call. I don't know exactly what he is doing and what is involved.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


But he didn't say that he didn't discuss it with them, did he? I'm confused. Maybe he just didn't want to get into all of that and just commented on what he thought needed to be said. Do we really know if or how much the children were involved in this decision?

$$$

Fair enough, but I think we're really giving him a lot of outs when he was pretty clear about their approval of this. Whatever was said the fact that he even has to have a conversation with these kids about this in the first place I personally find troubling.

Anonymous said...

I think his decision to discuss this change in his occupation/career with the children is highly dysfunctional and suggest he himself knew it was beyond the pale. He has had many different jobs over the years, did he feel the need to get their permission each time he made a change? Probably not. But this time, he knew himself he was very likely crossing the line. Huge red flag. He is supposed to be the adult here, they are the children and as such should not have even been consulted. I'm very disappointed in Jon for putting his children in this disturbing position. God knows they have enough on their emotional plates dealing with their mother.

bm

GollyGee said...

Maybe Jon told the kids that he normally sees and they told their mother and for a first, rare time, she allowed them to call and tell him that they, the kids said it was ok, cleared by them.

The word cleared sounds like it came from TFW's vocabulary.

She loves that he is possibly stripping! In her little mind, she thinks that it will make herself look better than him. What she always wanted.

Rainbirdie said...

Jon is going to be part of a male revue on April Fools Day with a big announcement afterward. Meh. Not exactly like he's working the pole every night & sidelining as a gigolo. Obviously a marketing ploy to get attention & it's worked beautifully. But here's my opinion - I will never ever forget seeing Colin carefully choosing a heartfelt loving gift for his mother and that mother dismissing the gift with ridicule. That scene - that I saw with my own eyes on television - will forever be the reason Regular Kate bothers me way more than Stripper Jon ever could.

NJGal51 said...

Well said Rainbirdie. That's how I feel. Maybe when he said he "cleared" it with his kids he meant that he just let them know what was going on. He's said that he's been working on a scripted show and this may be the tie in.

Tucker's Mom said...

But here's my opinion - I will never ever forget seeing Colin carefully choosing a heartfelt loving gift for his mother and that mother dismissing the gift with ridicule. That scene - that I saw with my own eyes on television - will forever be the reason Regular Kate bothers me way more than Stripper Jon ever could.

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Amen!
OK, since Jon's announcement to wait post-show on Sat., I'll reserve judgement on whether the headlines of him stripping were worth it.
Color me skeptical, but who knows.
Between Jon and Kate, IMO, Jon's the one with an outside chance of "hitting it out of the ballpark" again.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

- I will never ever forget seeing Colin carefully choosing a heartfelt loving gift for his mother and that mother dismissing the gift with ridicule. That scene - that I saw with my own eyes on television - will forever be the reason Regular Kate bothers me way more than Stripper Jon ever could.


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Well I agree with that, the things Kate has done bother me far more than Jon stripping. It doesn't mean I'm going to agree with it though. I still don't like it. What Kate has or hasn't done worse isn't really relevant to me no more than what Jon does has any bearing on how I feel about Kate.

Rainbirdie said...

Well I agree with that, the things Kate has done bother me far more than Jon stripping.
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I think it’s fair to mention that Jon hasn’t actually stripped. At this point it’s just a successful marketing ploy to get people talking about the event.

Jamesvader1194 said...

@Tucker's Mom (83)Even if this was an April fools joke and Jon was kidding about being a stripper.Sadly the damage is still done since most comments about this are negative.I don't know if any of the twins classmates look up their parents names but i wouldnt be shocked if there was that one kid who did and will now tease them for what Jon said he was doing but wasnt really.

Blowing In The Wind said...

Whatever was said the fact that he even has to have a conversation with these kids about this in the first place I personally find troubling.


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But isn't this a case of being damned if he does, damned if he doesn't? If the kids were kept in the dark about this, there would be all kinds of criticism saying that they had no idea what was going on.

Rainbirdie said...

Sadly the damage is still done since most comments about this are negative.I don't know if any of the twins classmates look up their parents names...
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In other words, just another day in the life of a Gosselin kid.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


But isn't this a case of being damned if he does, damned if he doesn't? If the kids were kept in the dark about this, there would be all kinds of criticism saying that they had no idea what was going on.

$$$

Well he's not really damned if he does or doesn't. He could have passed on getting involved in a strip joint in the first place. Then he wouldn't find himself in a damned situation in the first place.

Over In TFW's County said...

Well he's not really damned if he does or doesn't. He could have passed on getting involved in a strip joint in the first place.

++++++++++++++++

I don't know if you were ever at Caesar's in AC, but it's not a strip joint as one would think of as a strip joint! That term conjures up a shady "gentlemen's club" in the seedy part of town!

Sad but true said...

miloandjack2016 This pic & your expression here @kateplusmy8 is so ALEXIS!! One child you can never disclaim! 😋

Good of you to remind everyone, Doofus, that there IS a child she can---and did---disclaim.

Jillygee said...

I'll bet ya a bag of $11 salt Jon is NOT stripping. Lol. This is all hype. And it worked. Kudos.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I'll bet ya a bag of $11 salt Jon is NOT stripping. Lol. This is all hype. And it worked. Kudos.

$$$

Come and get your popcorn. Odds are 60-40 this is all just one big dumb joke. How hair brained.

Sandi said...

Hollywoodlife.com Has pics of mama June preparing for surgery. Here are three comments LOL.
LACY-
Oh my GAWD!!! First glance I thought it was Kate Gosselin! Were they separated at birth? WOW like 2 peas in a pod!
EMMA-
LOL Kate Gosselin should look so good!!
BRIT-
Just who is this Kate Gosselin. Is she married to Ryan Gosselin?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


What a smug little b**** you are. What have you done that you think you can sit in judgement of others? And do you ever sit in judgement!!! Getting some mediocre government paper pushing job ain't that great. At least Jon isn't making his money off his kids or sucking the government teat.

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Yes you're right, how dare Jon be judged for stripping, a very potentially mortifying exercise for his public children not to mention degrading to men and women, and an activity that encourages even more concerning and dangerous endeavors like prostitution. We have gone way too far.

Did this hit too close to home or something? I don't care if you strip. I assume your kids aren't in the public eye.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin, are there any more recaps coming? I think maybe there was only one last episode you didn't cover -- the game show. When TLC used scheduling hocus-pocus
to pretend a missing child was back, and the gullible fans bought it hook, line and sinker.
Things would get really meta next season if they do a game show episode about the game show episode.

Only speaking for myself, I can't tell you how many times as a kid we filmed family game shows in our living room, complete with elaborate props paid for by a TV network, and then aired for the masses. Realest reality, right, TFW?

Anonymous said...

With Collin "missing" for close to a year, highly insensitive of Milo to mention "disclaim" when referring to any of the remaining seven.

bm

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Yes I'll finish out the recaps for this season.

Lanc Native said...

What a smug little b**** you are.

)))))))))))))

New Moon. People get testy during this time of the month.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

STEPHANIE!!!!!

Setting the Record Straight said...

"He’s set to appear at the Untamed Male Revue at the Dusk nightclub inside the Caesars Hotel and Casino in Atlantic City, NJ where he will be stripping down to his underwear, TMZ reported. Jon has been practicing and preparing for his big debut for weeks, and he even started a new workout regimen to help get him in shape.
“It is R-rated, not X-rated,” Caesars owner Eric Millstein explained to People. “Jon has been rehearsing every every week.”
His upcoming debut is a one-night-only event, and a former Las Vegas showgirl is helping Jon perfect his moves and his costumes — and his ex-wife Kate Gosselin has yet to comment on his new career move."

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/jon-gosselin-stripper-128628

Tucker's Mom said...

Jamesvader1194 said... 86
@Tucker's Mom (83)Even if this was an April fools joke and Jon was kidding about being a stripper.Sadly the damage is still done since most comments about this are negative.I don't know if any of the twins classmates look up their parents names but i wouldnt be shocked if there was that one kid who did and will now tease them for what Jon said he was doing but wasnt really.
*******
I didn't even look up Jon or his Twitter. The news of him 'confirming' that he's now a stripper was splashed on my Yahoo home page. This is how anyone and everyone not Gosselin can come across this most NOT auspicious news.

Tucker's Mom said...

Anonymous said... 97
With Collin "missing" for close to a year, highly insensitive of Milo to mention "disclaim" when referring to any of the remaining seven.

bm
******
Milo is VERY passive aggressive. She uses that aw-gee-shucks-hand-wringing-toe-kicking-Uriah-Heep obsequiousness to convey her little barbs.
With little smiley-winky emoticons, of course ;-)

Tucker's Mom said...

Lanc Native said... 99
What a smug little b**** you are.

)))))))))))))

New Moon. People get testy during this time of the month.
******
Seems it's always that time of the month for our dear troll.

Tucker's Mom said...

and his ex-wife Kate Gosselin has yet to comment on his new career move."
******
Oh, believe me, Kate will have some holier-than-thou retort in the barrel for her upcoming People interview.
She's "take the high ground" in her own, special, smug way.

And why not? Jon's handing this one to her on a golden platter.

#dolt

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I didn't even look up Jon or his Twitter. The news of him 'confirming' that he's now a stripper was splashed on my Yahoo home page. This is how anyone and everyone not Gosselin can come across this most NOT auspicious news.

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And let's be honest, the average person that comes across this headline is just going to do that, look at the headline. Most people are not going to delve into whether this is a suave gentleman's club your grandmother would be proud to know you went to, or something seedier. A strip club is a strip club is a strip club, and it matters very little to me or I guarantee lots of people whether it's allegedly "classy." Let's get real, he's stripping down to his underwear. I really don't think it much matters whether he did so at the darn local Methodist church or anywhere else. The venue is barely the point.

Tucker's Mom said...

And let's be honest, the average person that comes across this headline is just going to do that, look at the headline. Most people are not going to delve into whether this is a suave gentleman's club your grandmother would be proud to know you went to, or something seedier. A strip club is a strip club is a strip club
*****
That's a really good point. The headlines are far from nuanced. Jon can parse the details, but that's what leads.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#105), after Jon's big debut, maybe TFW will say something like this:
"I took the kids to church Sunday morning, as usual, and then we did our monthly soup kitchen commitment at the homeless shelter, and delivered 2,423 Easter baskets to underprivileged children, and came home
to 1,000 interview requests about my children's disgusting, wimpy, immature, mediocre, lazy, shiftless, stupid, idiotic,
skirt-chasing, loud-breathing father. But since I am a high-road taker, I have no comment."

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#106), "the venue is BARELY the point." Okay, I'll go sit in the naughty spot...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


Admin (#106), "the venue is BARELY the point." Okay, I'll go sit in the naughty spot...

$$

I'm just saying when you strip down in your underwear in public it really doesn't matter to me where you do so. Just my opinion. The venue seems to matter a lot to other people.

The naughty square has ball and chain, whips and handcuffs for your pleasure.

Nicky said...

I'm listening to "Reality Life with Kate Casey" (podcast). She interviewed him this week. Here's the summary:

- original name for show was "Multiple Mayhem". Jon was the one who suggested Jon and Kate plus 8.
- note : he was clearly at the playground. Specifically said the boys has phones, and that all they do is snap chat everything (all the kids).
- talked about season 4, and that they had separate crews for each of them, since they were separated at the time
- doesn't really talk to the crew anymore
- still talks to the "paps" he made friends with. But he says they were professional photographers that were contracted by the mags.
- it was the paps from NY that would take pics of Kate shopping etc.
- thought he could just walk away, and go back to regular life. He was naive.
- she asked if he thought being on a reality show effected them, and he said he wouldn't know until they were adults, when they could speak freely out of "her" way.
- says they are hesitant to speak about it with him. Figures once they are older and realize they have financial freedom, and a safe space to speak their own mind.
Jon's focus is finding his son, speaking with and reconnecting with him 😧
- Kate has estranged jon from C and the twins , and Alexis as he only sees her once in awhile.
- he spends most time with the other 4
Con't....

Tucker's Mom said...

But since I am a high-road taker, I have no comment."
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LOL!
Kate is the QUEEN of non-comment comments!

CC said...

I'm still holding out hope that it's an April Fools gag.

I hope he just discussed with his kids that he's pulling a prank and it's a marketing ploy, and that he just wanted them to know. Maybe they laughed, and laughed, and laughed. Ha.

Wasn't Magic Mike a comedy? I didn't see it.

Sorry, but 25 lbs lost or not, I can't see Jon as a stripper, unless it's meant to be somewhat funny.

Personally, if it's a joke I don't care that he does it. Although I'm not seeing it as anything hilarious. I think it will be more humiliating if the joke falls flat. More so than him actually stripping. LOL.

If it's real, then well, I don't know what to say. I don't think it's a smart choice. I think the whole stripping thing is degrading to women, whether or not they feel "empowered" by it. And for men, well, it's just weird. I could never take that whole Chippendale's thing seriously. I don't find it funny either. Just uncomfortable to watch. Please let this be an April Fool's prank.

Tucker's Mom said...

Jon's focus is finding his son, speaking with and reconnecting with him 😧
^^^^
Wait, WHAT??

Thanks so much for the recap. Very interesting.

CC said...

By the way, I just bought a brand new iPhone SE to have as a spare number. I hate giving out my real number for things that aren't important. (My main phone is the 6S and my husband has the 6S Plus.)

Anyway, it was only $400. That's $16 a month, and then you own it outright after two years. Also, you can get a 6S for $550, so I think using the $700 price for an iPhone isn't exactly fair. That's on the higher end.

Sorry, but I think the average HARD WORKING American should be able to afford health care AND a $16 a month phone.

And now back to our regularly scheduled program....

Unknown said...

To add to what I wrote earlier…. It is not like Jon is in college trying to be creative to pay the rent (and later in life saying … oh my Gosh did I do that????)
He is a grown man with 8 minor kids and a witch called the ex-wife. He is nothing special to look at and having to lose weight to do it is at least one brain cell in his head tried to say hope I look good, instead of what a fool I looked like. It just also proves he doesn’t take his responsibilities seriously and he thinks people just look over his mistakes and the fact that he knows in advance it is a mistake and going to do it anyway. Even if he doesn’t strip and it was all for publicity he still is a jerk for playing that game and not an excuse for having all the buzz going on about it. Let his kids try to have some respect for their parents not hang their head in shame for what their parents do. And the witch should not have any comment she is no longer married to him so her opinion of him doesn’t matter (or I mean publicly displayed opinion) she needs to keep it to herself and let Jon sink his own boat. And also don’t play another game of …guess what I am going to do now?? We don’t care! Both of them need to go underground and live the low life so maybe the kids have a chance to breath! Without having to tell about it on the couch interview. They need to be sitting on the phycologist’s couch hopefully letting them help sort through their messed up life. All of us will just have to hope and wonder I sure hope they turned out ok! Well I said enough. I hope the hateful person that keeps popping in here would have a heart change and move on somewhere else if they can’t just be happy! Then stay away!

Nicky said...

Con't....
- says he focuses on the kids that are with him, and on the back burner focus on the others, but he has to go thru the court system.
- says it's disgusting what he has to go thru just to see C, who was shipped off to "somewhere" and he doesn't know where. Says he has a good idea, but is not 100%
- ha! Says while others don't consider DJing a normal job, he has a house,car, can provide for his kids by not being on reality tv, and doesn't make money off his kids.
- says the kids are not his employees, obviously insinuating they are Kate's
- asked if he thinks Penn. courts are pro- mother, and he said not exactly, but it leans that way. Said judge is just enforcing the law. Talked about process of getting a court date, lawyer, filing motions, contempts of court, and that there really is no penalty in civil court.
- said specifically "she can take my custody away, then I have to file in contempt, but how long is that going to take. What's the penalty?"
- still under a gag order for the last 8 years. Originally put in place to protect kids (so gag order issued by judge?). He asked "who does it protect now - they've been on tv for 10 years.
- going back to tech, has interviews coming up, but it's hard for the job market based on where he lives. Will probably have to go to Philly or King of Prussia. Will still DJ on the side.
- moving into the promotion side, and she asked if he saw what was on TMZ, and he said he sent it to them.
- she asked him again to explain about the gag order, and he said even talking about it is a violation. Said gag was for both of them not to talk about the kids in the press, custody, etc.
- said Kate talks about it all the time
- asked if he wants to get married again, says he likes marriage, and has been with Colleen for 3 years. Easy to find a normal person if you are not on tv.

CC said...

Wait. Jon STILL hasn't found Collin??? What the hell???

What was his "It's all good" tweet about then? That he was going to look into it, and assumed he'd get answers right away?

How is this happening?

Okay, I'm pissed. Poor Collin.

Nicky said...

The "stripping" thing - as he states in the podcast, he is moving into promotions, and that this is part of it. She pressed him about the dancing part, and he says you have to wait and see.

Tucker's Mom said...

Wasn't Magic Mike a comedy? I didn't see it.
*******
Most un-magical movie ever. The whole lot those characters couldn't raise an IQ above room temperature.

Tucker's Mom said...

Rae Barnes said... 116
To add to what I wrote earlier…. It is not like Jon is in college trying to be creative to pay the rent (and later in life saying … oh my Gosh did I do that????)
******
I saw an article on Yahoo this morning about Vanna White and her regretting doing lingerie photos when she was younger and needed the money.
Hugh Heffner bought those photos after she became famous on Wheel of Fortune and put her bare bottom on the cover.

"I didn't do it for Playboy," she continued. "I did not want them on there, but it happened. I was very thankful that I had such support behind me. I remember going on [The Tonight Show With] Johnny Carson and saying, 'I'm so sorry, this is what happened.’ And this is a lesson that applies today: Never do anything that you don't want to do. Listen to your instincts and follow it.”

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/vanna-white-im-embarrassed-by-my-playboy-cover-w474278

It's understandable when a 20-something does this for money. A 40-year old man who's made millions in reality tv owes it to the very children he used to make that money in the first place, a life without him embarrassing them and setting a very poor example.

What does a father say to a daughter who wants to do this? No?

That's not going to fly.

Jane said...

CC - I'm in need of a new iPhone. The 6 I have doesn't have enough memory to handle photos, apps etc. and I'd like to get the 64 or 128 model. it looks like Apple is give rebates when you turn in your old phone but I'm not sure if I should get a 7 or upgraded 6s. Have you seen any deals out there?

Tucker's Mom said...

Both of them need to go underground and live the low life so maybe the kids have a chance to breath!
*****
That brings up the sad reality that those kids have never known a childhood without their parents making salacious headlines as tabloid fodder.
How sad is that?

Nicky said...

Also from the podcast - jon states that if he was a plumber, electrician, etc. He would still be famous. Doesn't really matter what he does. Kind of strikes me as a guy who is "piecing and patching" an income in real life. I think he does get it, and is trying to do the best he can with how his life turned out. I don't know - we obviously don't know the whole situation, so I guess we just wait and see.

Formerly Duped said...

says it's disgusting what he has to go thru just to see C, who was shipped off to "somewhere" and he doesn't know where. Says he has a good idea, but is not 100%
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Nicky,

Thanks for the summary. I can't believe this!! Jon, DO something no matter how ling or how much work it takes!!! Wonder if he is still friendly with Robert Hoffman, who was particularly fond of Collin?

Tucker's Mom said...

- says it's disgusting what he has to go thru just to see C, who was shipped off to "somewhere" and he doesn't know where. Says he has a good idea, but is not 100%
****
Again, WHAT??
Oh
My
God!
How is this legal in America? What did Jon sign when he divorced Kate?
This is criminal.
Actually, Kate should be publicly excoriated for this. This is an outrage.
All I can hope for is that when Kate does her usual PR for the next season of her show, she's forced to address Colin and get pointed questions about why her son has been away for a year (probably never coming back, let's face it) and why she won't allow his own father to see him.

She is a wicked, evil person.

Anyone and everyone who supports and enables her is complicit in this tragedy.

What judge would deny Jon seeing Colin? Why can he have unsupervised visits with 4 of his kids, and be barred from seeing Collin?

Tucker's Mom said...

- ha! Says while others don't consider DJing a normal job, he has a house,car, can provide for his kids by not being on reality tv, and doesn't make money off his kids.
***
I have much respect and kudos for Jon's new career as a DJ. The stripping, not so much.

Tucker's Mom said...

- said specifically "she can take my custody away, then I have to file in contempt, but how long is that going to take. What's the penalty?"
***
The penalty will be on Jon when his kids become angry with him for not fighting on every level possible.
I do support him speaking out like this from time to time. People have to realize that Kate Gosselin hates him more than she loves her kids.

Tucker's Mom said...

Okay, I'm pissed. Poor Collin.
*****
Yup. Royally pissed.
So know we know he's still not home and Kate is still filming the now ironic Kate Plus Not 8 Anymore.

Tucker's Mom said...

Jane said... 122
CC - I'm in need of a new iPhone. The 6 I have doesn't have enough memory to handle photos, apps etc. and I'd like to get the 64 or 128 model. it looks like Apple is give rebates when you turn in your old phone but I'm not sure if I should get a 7 or upgraded 6s. Have you seen any deals out there?
*****
The rebates depend on your provider and how old your trade-in phone is. There aren't any deals out there otherwise.
I got a $25 Costco card when I went through them to get my new 7S. My phone-a Samsung S4- was too old to trade in.
You can always wipe the memory, remove your SIM card and sell it, or donate it to a good cause and take the tax write off.

Tucker's Mom said...

Nicky,

Thanks for the summary. I can't believe this!! Jon, DO something no matter how ling or how much work it takes!!! Wonder if he is still friendly with Robert Hoffman, who was particularly fond of Collin?
******
I bet dollars to donuts that Robert could find out where Collin is, if he hasn't already.
I'd hire a private detective.
I wouldn't be able to function if I didn't know where one of my sons was, under these circumstances.

Sad but true said...

Nicky, thanks so much for that informative update. So K8 technically has been violating the gag order just about forever. The People cover last August certainly qualifies, if the order was in effect then. As does all that followed, with K8 giving kudos to Mady when she publicly dissed her father. How does she continue to get away with it?

I also find it pretty unbelievable that Jon still doesn't know where his son is. I would almost wager that he's out west with that "like family" family that they've been out to visit multiple times. Overall, Jon sounds somewhat less dim than his recent stripper coverage would suggest. And that's a good thing.

Jane said...

Tucker's- I hear Target is offering gift cards. And it looks like I can get $160 for my current iPhone. It only has 16 gb (remember when that was a lot?!).

Nicky said...

What I got from the podcast, was his utter frustration in the court process. Absolutely everything has to go through the court, and his point was that when Kate was in contempt of certain orders or agreements, there is no penalty. Basically the judge says do t do that. That's where jon's frustration lies. He basically said if there are no consequences for her actions, why wouldn't she keep doing what she was doing.

CC said...

Jane,
I'm sorry, I don't know of any iPhone promos. When we got the 6s we got the more gb for price of less gb. We got 128gb for price of 64gb. The guy was slick though. He tried to give us the 64gb without the free upgrade acting like he didn't realize we meant we wanted the 64gb price with the 128gb storage, even though I was specific. I almost walked out, but it wasn't worth my time to go elsewhere.

I only got the 16gb in the SE because I don't plan to use it for anything else but a spare phone number. Everything in me was against getting such low gb, just because my original iPhone was low storage and I hated it, but I can always upgrade down the road if necessary.

Jane said...

Thanks, CC :)

Formerly Duped said...

I agree Jon must be frustrated with the court, but what judge would allow a perfectly decent parent not to know the whereabouts of one child and not be allowed his rightful visitation with others? Can he file appeals or above this court's jurisdiction? This sounds criminal in itself. But Jon must keep fighting. The 'back burner' remark sounds a little cavalier IMO but I know Jon must be hurting.He should( or maybe has) hire a PD!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I don't know I'm still going back to the idea this child may have been detained from them. It's actually not uncommon at all to have children placed in confidential placements. As a rule they don't disclose addresses to parents even appropriate ones on the off chance the childen's safety is jeopardized. Visitation still occurs of course but it's off site. It's one of the only explanations for why a parent is not entitled to know the location of their child as a matter of LAW.

Tucker's Mom said...

Jane said... 133
Tucker's- I hear Target is offering gift cards. And it looks like I can get $160 for my current iPhone. It only has 16 gb (remember when that was a lot?!).

*****
That's a good deal! I know, 16 gigs, ha!! I think my iPhone has 164. It's just amazing.
The camera is great, too. I was taking photos and a little bit of video at a concert, in dim light, and was quite impressed.
The only thing was I couldn't transfer my apps, so now it's a PITA to reload them on the new phone.
All I can get for my Galaxy S4 is about 40 bucks! I think I'll just donate it.

Tucker's Mom said...

Nicky said... 134
What I got from the podcast, was his utter frustration in the court process. Absolutely everything has to go through the court, and his point was that when Kate was in contempt of certain orders or agreements, there is no penalty. Basically the judge says do t do that. That's where jon's frustration lies. He basically said if there are no consequences for her actions, why wouldn't she keep doing what she was doing.
*****
I can totally understand how frustrating it's been for Jon, but I don't get the part about not being able to do anything about seeing all of his kids. Well, 7 of them anyway.
Call the damn cops!

Formerly Duped said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 138
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I know there's a gag order but it sounds like Jon doesn't get to visit Collin off-site either??? Who knows but it sure seems sad and unnecessary.I can see why Collin might be taken from Kate ( what about the other kids in the same home?) but what has Jon done? He hasn't seen Collin even before he was sent away.

Tucker's Mom said...

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 138
I don't know I'm still going back to the idea this child may have been detained from them. It's actually not uncommon at all to have children placed in confidential placements
******
I think this too. It's becoming more and more suspicious and the fact that Kate just keeps filming like this horrible situation doesn't exist is mind boggling.
Who wants to watch another tup birthday full of glee and happiness when Collin is who knows where? Is he having a fun day, or is he crying and full of pain and sorrow?
I'd be paralyzed with grief if I were Jon.

Nicky said...

To put the back burner comment in perspective- she asked him how he dealt with it. He said he has to focus on the kids who want a relationship with him, but that he is still fighting to have a relationship with the other kids. It sounded sincere, not cavalier. If you listen, you can really hear the frustration in his voice.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Sad but true (#132), I find it sickening that TFW violated that gag order to tell the world -- through a PAID People magazine photo shoot and article -- that her young son had special needs. She is a horrible mother.

Tucker's Mom said...

Who knows but it sure seems sad and unnecessary.I can see why Collin might be taken from Kate ( what about the other kids in the same home?) but what has Jon done? He hasn't seen Collin even before he was sent away.
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What makes me extremely skeptical that Collin is thriving in a good healthcare facility is that any mental health professional would have the goal of reuniting Collin with his father.
You don't have to be a licensed professional to know the increased risk factor for dysfunction of the child needs to be mitigated. You also can see prima facie that Kate is a parental alienator of the highest order.
Any professional would not only work to affect healing between a child and both parents, but would report Kate for intentionally damaging Collin.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#142), I wonder if TFW will score another People cover for the 13th birthday -- "Tups Turn To Teens!" But of course she'd have to get her mug in there, too.

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 146
Tucker's Mom (#142), I wonder if TFW will score another People cover for the 13th birthday -- "Tups Turn To Teens!" But of course she'd have to get her mug in there, too.
****
I'd bet money on it.
Kate will fake cry for Kate Coyne, and dab away at her tearless cheeks. She'll yammer on about herself and surviving and probably give Collin a passing mention.

Tucker's Mom said...

jongosselin1Huge video announcement Saturday night at 11pm after the show go to https://m.facebook.com/therealjongosselin/

If I am up, I'll watch.
I'm very intrigued. I'd feel more than a little schadenfreude if Jon announces a show of his own.

Sad but true said...

Tucker's Mom said... 147

And, don't forget, they'll be doing it over a bottle of wine.

Tucker's Mom said...

Sad but true said... 149
Tucker's Mom said... 147

And, don't forget, they'll be doing it over a bottle of wine.
*****
Well, a box anyway...
lol!

Tucker's Mom said...

I imagine Jon's slathering on the baby oil like a Tongan olympian right about now ;-)

Jane said...

jgosselin10 Call this b*tch and let her know how you feel!!! Assholes!!! Worst company ever!!! By far!!!

He has a photo of Andrea Simpson's info at American Media with a RadarOnline email.

Tucker's Mom said...

Jon Gosselin‏Verified account @jgosselin10 54m54 minutes ago
More
Radar online sending emails to people asking for info about me, GFYourself. And good luck assholes! Come ask me yourself
^^^^
Uh, that's their job? You can't cling to your fame and not expect this. If Robert going through and collecting Kate's trash is in bounds, so is getting "sources" to give dirt.
Radar should be doing this with Kate and getting to the bottom of what happened to Collin.

Sherry Baby said...

New Moon. People get testy during this time of the month.
******
Seems it's always that time of the month for our dear troll.

___________
I think that many of us have a darn good idea as to the identity of that dear little troll. My question is why does she keep stirring the pot here, why the hatred directed toward admin, and why not get help with all of those anger issues? It must be sad to have to vent like that and spew so much venom at someone who is expressing opinions. I wonder what that person is like when not hiding behind the internet. On second thought, maybe I really don't want to know. Life is too short for all of that hostility.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Now he's just being unreasonable. You can't pull a publicity stunt as big as this then get upset when Radar gets curious and starts knocking on doors to find out more. They are not doing anything wrong by just asking, and if he wants to be sure his friends don't talk to them, he can be an adult and politely ask his friends to refrain.

GollyGee said...

I am just in tears.

Hire a private detective, Jon!

Like Tucker's said, I also would be paralyzed in fear about this!

24/7!

All This Is That said...

Instead of masking anger, dear troll is actually using this blog for therapeutic reasons. Admin, you should charge therapy fees!

ncgirl said...

Nicky, thanks for the recap. So the kids don't want to talk to Jon about the show? I suppose when they're with him, they want an escape. And Kate has probably brainwashed them into not talking about it. Colin's situation seems to be complicated.

Over In TFW's County said...


Hire a private detective, Jon!

+++++++++++

Perhaps he has done that. I would imagine that there are many things going on behind the scenes that we just don't know about, nor should we.

Anonymous said...

Perhaps he has done that.
***************

Come on. It would not take a private detective a year to locate a child. Hell, it shouldn't take Jon a year to locate his child!

Jon gets no more excuses from me.

I CAN'T POST A NAME. This is amy!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

I'm kind of with Amy. This really isn't that complicated. He's his father. He's entitled to know the location of his son and you can go to court to request it if the mother is being nuts. You don't need a lawyer for this or to ask for contempt. You just ask for a simple OSC, not a big thing.

Or, the child has been detained in a confidential placement, so why not just say so and be done with it. There's no shame in letting the child welfare system handle a child you can't. They have access to intensive services and funding a parent may struggle to implement on their home.

Roxyhelen said...

I'm sorry but Jon has always been a pushover, even on the show, you could see it. He never stepped in to stop Kate, never put his foot down to help the kids and that was when he lived with them. If Kate said the kids can't eat their cupcakes at the cupcake place, Jon tried to pacify the kids rather than get Kate to let them eat the damn things. If Kate yelled that the kids got dirty, Jon would roll his eyes but never intervened to get her to knock it off or weakly attempted and gave up. Then they split and he let her make the law. He had lived with her so he knew what she was like and what she was capable of yet he gave up his legal custody and essentially any legally fast way to help his children in case of something. I'm sure he did it because it was the easiest thing for HIM. Kate was probably bitching all the time and that's how he got her off his back. When Kate stopped sending all the kids to the gate, he went with the flow because it was easiest for him. He went along with not seing his litte boy for 2 years because it was too much of a hassle to deal with Kate I'm sure. Now he's complaining about how things are and I'm not sure I even believe him when he says he is fighting things oh so hard. I find it hard to believe because all I've seen Jon do for years was what was easiest for him. He complained on a magazine that Alexis was covered in hives from the chores Kate had her do but did he do anything to actually prevent Alexis from going through that? Probably not. He could have ruined Kate after she implied he was essentially molesting his daughter but did he? Nope. I'm sorry I used to give Jon a pass but now I'm pretty sure he is as much at fault for how things are as Kate is. I get that Kate had the better lawyers in the divorce but as others(including Admin who is legally competent) have said, some things wouldn't have required lawyers and money. I've been leaning this way for quite a while but now I'm truly done making excuses for Jon. What kind of father just shruggs off that he hasn't seen a child in 2 years and only truly wakes up when the kid has been send away? All Jon did about not seing his son was give an interview whining that he hasn't seen his son. Ponder that. My heart breaks for those poor kids.

Roxyhelen said...

I wanted to add: I am sure Jon loves his kids but love just isn't enough.

Gigi Be said...

Says while others don't consider DJing a normal job, he has a house,car, can provide for his kids by not being on reality tv, and doesn't make money off his kids.

Filming a reality show isn't a "normal" job either. Yet Kate is always given a pass on this by her rabid fans. They say she is doing what she needs to do to support herself and the kids. Jon is basically doing the same thing, but his job isn't "good enough"

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Gigi Be (#64), and somehow TFW manages
to label her part of the show "work," yet when her minor children participate, it's just playing in and out of camera range.

Formerly Duped said...

Roxyhelen said... 162
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Good post. I have to agree with you on all counts except to factor in details that are unknown to the public. If Jon were in a normal family with a decent partner he would be fine. He was a good dad on his own in his treatment of the kids when he and TFW were together, but he was all about doing the show with her and did stand by when she was rotten to them. After the split I also agree he could have tried harder and kept trying to see all 8. Who knows what effect a stronger father might have had on Collin, on all the kids.It's a sad, sad saga with no winners.

Roxyhelen said...

Formerly Duped said... 166

Roxyhelen said... 162
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Good post. I have to agree with you on all counts except to factor in details that are unknown to the public. If Jon were in a normal family with a decent partner he would be fine. He was a good dad on his own in his treatment of the kids when he and TFW were together, but he was all about doing the show with her and did stand by when she was rotten to them. After the split I also agree he could have tried harder and kept trying to see all 8. Who knows what effect a stronger father might have had on Collin, on all the kids.It's a sad, sad saga with no winners.

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I couldn't agree more. The saddest part? All 10 of them could have been winners, even after the divorce, but Kate just couldn't let that happen. She wanted to be the only winner.

Tucker's Mom said...

She wanted to be the only winner.
****
That's Kate's zero-sum game. She gets all the balls and you get none. Any balls that you have are balls she doesn't.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Tucker's Mom (#168), look how giddy TFW has been over the past year. She's still in the spotlight, and making money for taking vacations, and alienating as many kids as she can from their dad. So what if her young son is gone -- at least her ex doesn't know where he is. It's all good. She wins.

That boy we came to care about through watching him grow up on TV hasn't been living with his family for almost a year. He wasn't a character. He wasn't "playing" a sweet child who was desperate to please
his mom, and help her any way he could,
but seemed to be her whipping boy. That's who he was, and is, in real life. And his absence from the home seems to have ZERO emotional impact on his mother.
She has a heart of stone.

Leslie said...

Thank goodness Jon's strippergate is only for one night. What I don't get is the man is overweight, not tall or handsome. Certainly after all the years he has been off of tv can't be that big of a draw. The vast America have moved on from the Gosselins many years ago. I think the million or less or hardcore fans that are leftovers. Even in his underwear he is not stripper material in the least. I don't get it (Snark!) No, really I don't.

I have believed and now more so than ever that Jon did give up legal custody of his kids in exchange for child support. Kate did not need he dimes...she needed Jon not to fight her over filming. I think that is why Jon is having trouble finding Collin. And perhaps that is why he can't call the cops when he comes to pick up all the kids and only four show up.

What I don't get is apparently FOUR of the kids enjoy spending weekly time with Jon. So why don't the others? I mean you would think the four that go come back and say (not in front of Kate of course) what they did and how they enjoyed it that would encourage the others to go. I especially don't understand why Collin and Alexis stopped going.

Sad but true said...

Once again, Doofus hoists K8 on her own petard.

Fired Up 4 Kate‏ @MiloandJack 51m51 minutes ago
@NoraSaysNo @Kateplusmy8
I agree! Kate used to visit w/her friends here daily! She kept twitter a positive, fun & inspiring place to be! I miss #SparingWithHer! 😋

Fired Up 4 Kate‏ @MiloandJack 44m44 minutes ago
Congrats! Heard you were invited by #TheDonald 2head up the #MomsSurveillanceWireTappingCommittee @ the White House! 😜@kateplusmy8 April1st

Fired Up 4 Kate‏ @MiloandJack 43m43 minutes ago
We know you have the experience for the position... keeping track of electronic devices for 8 teens makes you well qualified! @Kateplusmy8 :)

This goes right along with the rumor that K8 pats 'em down for illicit phones to monitor any unapproved contact with Daddy. You're really burnishing her image there, Milo, keep up the good work!

GollyGee said...

From Pickles Facebook Duggar Page.

The Crown of Beauty Magazine article has been released. It has that sad interview with the Duggar girls where Jana is quoted talking about serving her family and waiting for prince charming in exchange of her living her God-given life. The youngest Duggar in the tin mansion is seven years old. They can all serve their own darn selves now. Let Jana go!
I know Jill was asked for funny moments but to just talk about your broken electrical appliances in a country where many have nothing is arrogant and obnoxious. When will these two actually begin to help others instead of embarrassing us Americans? I really wish Central America would deport them. A soup kitchen or Habitat for Humanity in Arkansas is calling their name.

https://www.joomag.com/magazine/crown-of-beauty-magazine-the-brave-issue/0787134001488209231

What is so funny about your husband getting shocked? He could of died and she would of been a single mom. I wonder if Gothard allows widows to marry.

Formerly Duped said...

I think, and it's JMO, TFW had some way of preventing Alexis and Collin from going, and of course, brainwashed the twins. Who knows how low and cruel she would stoop to in stopping those two kids from visiting their dad?

jamesvader1194 said...

@Leslie I've felt the same when it came to Mady and Cara not visiting Jon.What im saying is that if Jon was such a "toxic" bad guy,then why don't Mady and Cara encourage the other siblings who do go to not go to Jon?I'd think if Jon was so bad as both the twins and her fans say,they'd convince the 4 that go to not go because their dad is "toxic"or doesn't care about them.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

If there is another People shoot coming up for the 13th birthday, maybe TFW will bust herself like last year. Remember when she tweeted about how exhausted she was, and her feet hurt, and her kids were pampering her? Who was pampering them after that long day?

I'm telling you, at least one of those kids will marry the first man/woman who treats them kindly. Who acknowledges their needs and wants, and values them as something beyond a means to a career. It'll be a shock to their systems.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Sad but true (#171), and Gladys slipped up with the number of kids TFW has to wrangle. It's 7, now, Gladys. SEVEN.

She said she missed "#SparingWithHer."
I think she meant "sparring." Although
when I read either of these women's posts,
I do sometimes think, "Oh, spare me..."

Leslie said...

In regards to Alexis and Collin not visiting Jon, the only thing they have in common is they both take meds for their "problems" and were both kicked out of school years ago. Somehow I think maybe there is a link between that and the no visiting. But I cannot put it all together beyond that why they have not visited Jon in years.

I highly doubt Jon refused to give them their meds while on his time. And I doubt seriously being around Jon and his girlfriend made their behavioral problems worse. I mean these kids live in a very chaotic atmosphere when at home with Kate and all eight kids.

And it does not surprise me in the least that Kate's show was renewed. Her ratings were not terrible for TLC's standards.TLC has very little to offer their viewing audience. Sometimes I look at their nightly line-up and it is pathetic. And TLC does not care about Collin being gone. They have seven other kids and Kate. Apparently the public backlash was not strong enough about Collin being missing from the filming.

I strongly think Collin is in a school (not hospital) for behavioral kids that has some sort of treatment on the side. He may be there for years. Maybe the place where he is doesn't care about incorporating Jon into the treatment plan for the following reasons: 1) Collin has not visited with his father for years and maybe Collin has told them he does not plan on ever visiting him. 2) Jon gave up legal custody and does not support his kids with support payments 3) And the legal and primary parent is VERY adamant about Jon knowing his whereabouts or visiting him. Also we know Kate probably fed lies to the school about Jon.

GollyGee said...

I just can't believe all this is happening.

Jon's event tonight, Collin, MIA, TFW laughing her ass off getting told don't do this and don't do that under a gag order and there is no penalty! What honorable judge would do this for years?

Mady and Cara think Jon is toxic and don't visit, Alexis doesn't visit.

It is like TFW is fiddling while Rome burns!

Midnight Madness said...

Jon's event tonight, Collin, MIA, TFW laughing her ass off getting told don't do this and don't do that under a gag order and there is no penalty! What honorable judge would do this for years?

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I am far behind in reading comments. Where has it been confirmed that Kate is under a court-ordered gag order, and for what?

Midnight Madness said...

In regards to Alexis and Collin not visiting Jon, the only thing they have in common is they both take meds for their "problems" and were both kicked out of school years ago.

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How is it known that Alexis and Collin are taking medication? Did Kate and/or Jon mention this?

Fleecing The Sheeple said...


It is like TFW is fiddling while Rome burns!

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And Gladys is still fiddling with Kate, or she wishes!

Sad but true said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 175

I'm telling you, at least one of those kids will marry the first man/woman who treats them kindly. Who acknowledges their needs and wants, and values them as something beyond a means to a career. It'll be a shock to their systems.
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Given their notoriety, though, how will they ever be able to trust that someone DOES want them for who they really are? Mommy will be overshadowing every emotional transaction for the rest of their lives, unfortunately. And will anyone ever be good enough, from Mommy's perspective, for her little money machines? I think there's a boatload of reality coming for these kids, and it's not of the TV kind.

Leslie said...

You know I will get blasted for this but here goes. I doubt any of the kids will complain about filming immediately upon leaving college. They really all seem to enjoy filming. They enjoy doing things they would never be able to do otherwise. And of course Kate has convinced them none of the trips would be possible without the filming. I remember the last goodbye episode when we foolish though in 2011 that TLC was cutting the show Madie said without the filming they would be staring at the walls at home. So they are swallowing Kate's bullshit. Also I am sure that Kate never takes them on any vacations without filming so that only verifies it.

Now will the kids complain about Jon and Kate when they get older. Only time will tell. Of course the twins already did complain to People and we know that Kate took them on The Today Show to complain about their father but they froze like Popsicle. (Only to defrost on The View the next day)!

Perhaps as the kids marry and have their own kids they may then complain about filming. I say that because by then they will probably know it does not take TLC's millions to have raised eight kids like Kate brainwashed them. And also that would have been plenty of time for them to come to the very painfully realization that their own Mother used them for her own fame and love of millions. Right own they don't know these facts. And I think it may be a good many, many years until they (or their wives) can come to this conclusion.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


You know I will get blasted for this but here goes. I doubt any of the kids will complain about filming immediately upon leaving college. They really all seem to enjoy filming. They enjoy doing things they would never be able to do otherwise. And of course Kate has convinced them none of the trips would be possible without the filming. I remember the last goodbye episode when we foolish though in 2011 that TLC was cutting the show Madie said without the filming they would be staring at the walls at home. So they are swallowing Kate's bullshit. Also I am sure that Kate never takes them on any vacations without filming so that only verifies it.


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I think it's very likely that it will take some of them a long, long time to understand and accept the detrimental effects of filming. I think you're right. I think they WILL have various issues as they enter young adulthood, and eventually recognize they have issues, but they won't necessarily connect it to "filming." Add to that issues independent of filming, like your parents being doofi in their own right, and it's going to be a long road ahead.

And yes some of them will fall for the first person who says I love you.

Sad but true said...

And it's back to work for K8-ie! Plugging away on IG, how DOES a poor single mom of (8-1) manage it? So, stick in front of door---who's to say what it really means? Maybe Mady left it there.

kateplusmy8 I love having a dog who brings me a present to the front door every time he's outside playing! It's just a 'Mak thing'. Quite a collection of sticks, chewed up toys etc are piling up! All dogs have their own unique 'things' I am learning....I look forward to these 'things' .. they make me smile😄🐶 #Mak #StickDelivery #dogsofinstagram

Is she actually SAVING these chewed-up dog things? Unlike her children's keepsakes from their grandpa? My, she certainly is growing as a person, isn't she?

Leslie said...

Guess who is back! Mama June, honey boo boo's mother, with a big-time weight loss and several plastic surgeries and veneers. She has gastric sleeve bypass surgery. She claims the red dress you will see in the first link is a size 4. I highly doubt it. Note she has no double chin at all in this photo. Look how small her waist is too in this photo.

Now look at this link:
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/entertainment/tv/celebrity/mama-june-reveals-size-4-transformation-on-from-not-to-hot-see-her-amazing-makeover/ar-BBz8Qa4

In the peach dress photos (the four photos together) she has a reasonable size double chin left. (And I saw a clip of this photo shoot and she definitely has a double chin left.) I say left because she had plastic surgery on her chin to tighten the loose skin (she really needed it after her weight loss) along with upper arm skin tightening, tummy tuck, and breast enlargements. In fact her surgeon said she had a face lift. I saw the last episode of her new show on WE and her face scars from her chin surgery went along the same lines as a full facelift too.

I am making the point about STILL having a double chin because I am wondering why the plastic surgeon didn't lipo the remaining fat out. She lost most of her HUGE double chin with the weight loss but still had a double chin after the loss. There was no need for the surgeon to worry about the skin being loose after the lipo because he knew he was going to tighten it. I would be pissed at the surgeon for leaving me with this double chin. Also note in the red dress first link she has NO double chin.

Also make sure to click on the video in the second clip where she shows up in the same red dress to Sugar Bear's wedding. She is not nearly as thin as in the People photo. It proves how much she was air-brushed in that photo. Do ya'll think she is a size 4 in the second clip?

I congratulations Junefor losing all the weight. But I guarantee you she will gain most of it back in a few years. She did it for the wrong reasons. Her manager said she going to make a comeback. And June made the comment that people will now love her again. Neither will happen and she will go back to eating. Her two kids still have the same horrible eating habits and her home is full of junk food.

Her manager and June both don't get it. June and her kids are still major low-class disgusting slobs. And this weight loss will not make people love her. I don't think people ever loved (or liked) her to begin with. And it will not give her a comeback. A comeback to what? The only reason people tuned-in to her show on TLC was to see the horror of this ill-mannered this family. And the little house on the train tracks along with Sugar Bear added to the show. Also if you remember June slept with a man who was a convicted child molested. And a molester no less who molested her other daughter who is not on this new WE show. It seems the two never reconciled.

By the way, the family has moved to a very nice neighborhood in a beautiful brick two-story home. But the house is not decorated at all. And the paint colors are horrible. Her bedroom is this hideous bright royal blue. The den has trash furniture that does not match with zero wall decorations. And of course Sugar Bear is gone too. So even if June gets another reality show on WE I doubt many people will tune into it. Her shipped has passed.

Leslie said...

How is it known that Alexis and Collin are taking medication? Did Kate and/or Jon mention this?
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I distinctly remember in 2010/2011 Kate stating in an interview (not her show) that both kids were back in school and doing great. She mentioned they had medical issues that led to their behavioral problems. I really can't remember if she specifically said they were taking meds or not. But I absolutely came away from her interview thinking the kids were diagnosed as ADD or ADHD. And we all know that is treated with meds. Also I can't remember the attractive young babysitter's name (who was a fan) who said that they were taking pills. And we saw how sleepy Alexis was on the couch being interviewed. Several times she literally put her head down times. And we saw Collin looking spaced out on their last episode when they were playing the family game. So I think given all of the above I say they are on meds. It stands to reason. Plus don't you think it makes sense for Kate to medicate their behavior to calm and quiet them. Not to mention to prevent them from being kicked out of school again.

ncgirl said...

"I am far behind in reading comments. Where has it been confirmed that Kate is under a court-ordered gag order, and for what?"

Jon said this in a podcast:

"still under a gag order for the last 8 years. Originally put in place to protect kids (so gag order issued by judge?). He asked "who does it protect now - they've been on tv for 10 years."

Leslie said...

#188 Anonymous wrote: In other words, you made an assumption and stated it as fact.
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No, I did not. Here is what I wrote, " I really can't remember if she specifically said they were taking meds or not." Is that a fact to you?

Leslie said...

Sorry folks, I forgot to post the People link that I talked about in the above post #186.

http://people.com/tv/mama-june-shannon-final-weight-loss-reveal/

localyocul said...

Leslie said... 186

Do ya'll think she is a size 4 in the second clip?

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Nope. I'm a size 4 and she is quite a bit thicker than me.

Over And Out said...

Leslie, 189: "No, I did not. Here is what I wrote, " I really can't remember if she specifically said they were taking meds or not." Is that a fact to you?"

However, in a previous post, #177, you wrote, "In regards to Alexis and Collin not visiting Jon, the only thing they have in common is they both take meds for their "problems" and were both kicked out of school years ago. "

That sounds like a fact to me, but perhaps I am misunderstanding your comment.

Anonymous said...

I feel like there's an elephant on the blog! We're concerning ourlseves with gossip vs fact, meanwhile JON GOSSELIN is stripping!!

my word, if kate did this people would be outraged.

Can't Sign In - Aninnymouse

Jane said...

jgosselin10 And here it is. we.tl/BJJMzmhy8a

Jon's pretty savvy!

NJGal51 said...

Well I feel vindicated for reserving judgment on Jon's "stripping". Way to go Jon and happy birthday!

Sheepless In Seattle said...

I feel like there's an elephant on the blog! We're concerning ourlseves with gossip vs fact, meanwhile JON GOSSELIN is stripping!!

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We should be concerned with gossip versus fact. Credibility goes out the window if we base our opinion on gossip.

Sheepless In Seattle said...

Well I feel vindicated for reserving judgment on Jon's "stripping". Way to go Jon and happy birthday!

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Ditto!

ncgirl said...

http://www.eonline.com/news/840604/sorry-ladies-jon-gosselin-didn-t-actually-take-his-clothes-off-at-his-strip-show

I'm glad Jon didn't lose his mind.

Fleecing The Sheeple said...

I feel like there's an elephant on the blog!

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Calf or adult? Male or female? Species...Asian, African Bush or African Forest? I like to know these things!

Anonymous said...

I can't get the link to open. What is it??

JGA

CC said...

Ha. Jon really went all out with that video production. Well, maybe not all out. Lol. I figured it was all a marketing ploy. I wonder if it had the effect he hoped for. At least he enjoyed his birthday. It's nice that his family was there too.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

So he danced at a strip club but didn't strip. So it was, like, half a joke.

And he absolutely said he was going to strip down to his underwear so I don't know why he's denying that.

What a downright doofus.

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