Saturday, April 15, 2017

Recap: Kate Plus 8 "Sweet 16": Mady turns 16. Cara picks lint.

Coming up on Kate Plus 8. Mady turns 16. Cara picks lint.

They show a lot of sweet photos and clips of the girls growing up, some I don't remember seeing before. You would almost be fooled into thinking this is a nice family with twins with no screaming and hollering going on. This is a time for Kate to reflect all about herself.  Ultimately Kate doesn't worry about the twins because she knows they will make good decisions. Kind of like their decision not to see their father?

Kate gives the girls Gator driving lessons. Wait, I swear the kids were driving the Gator a year ago when they first got this. Now they get lessons?

Like so many other teens I've encountered these days, oddly, Mady doesn't really care much about getting her license. Kind of a, I'll get it when I get it attitude. She doesn't go anywhere really except school and home. Sad.

My theory on this, and it's totally a theory, is that kids today are so much better connected with their peers than we were as kids, and therefore, don't feel that compelling drive (I can make dumb puns too just like Kate) to get behind the wheel and hit the road. We had to learn to drive, because there was no texting or iPhones, and when we called Ashley's house on the good ole fashioned telephone, we either got the answering machine, or were told by her slightly annoyed mother, sorry she can't talk now she's doing her homework/at scouts/at soccer/practicing the trumpet/being punished. I never met a teen in my class who wasn't gunning to drive. We had to get going behind the wheel to drive to each other or risk never connecting with each other again outside the hours of 7:30am to 2:30pm. A 2017 kid can text Ashley, FaceTime, instagram and snapchat her, and get instant feedback from Ashley, and therefore doesn't feel as compelled to get in the car and drive somewhere to meet up with Ashley. The need teens have is simply to connect to peers and exchange feedback. It's clear that connection doesn't have to be in person just so long as they're getting a lot of it and it's instant. I like my theory, personally.

What does "over-start" the gator mean? I don't understand over-start. This has to be fake, Mady driving into the plants. Or Mady is driving erratically purposely for attention.

Cara says the most she has said all season, in that she actually used to think she would like to get her license because she would like to be able to drive herself over to Lancaster (where their school is) for lacrosse and such, but then she found out that apparently, she is not going to ever be allowed to drive that far. Forbidden by Kate, presumably. And therein lies one of the stupidest reasons ever to send them to a private school so far away. It's too far. So many of us warned that this commute was going to be a beast, especially when they got older and had to get themselves to school more often and for longer days and establish a group of friends over on that side of town that they want to see outside of school or even sometimes have to see, for school projects and study groups. And there it is. And sadly, Cara is losing out on valuable practice time behind the wheel while she is still under an adult's supervision. Practice time that is crucial and can be the difference between a teen ending up in a horrific accident before they are 20, or getting through the most dangerous years on the road unscathed. A public school or even a private school five to ten miles away would be close enough to make most parents comfortable with their child driving that distance, while still giving them practice time on the road. A shame.

I really don't know how much value a driving lesson on a Gator is to driving a real car in real traffic. They'll be ready to whiz around their retirement neighborhood in Florida someday, but little else.

Moving on to planning the party, Kate and Mady fight endlessly over ideas they're looking at on their MacBooks. Looks like Pinterest. Mady hates all of Kate's ideas for the party. In this case, since we know Kate has no style or taste, I'm thinking we have nothing to lose leaving this to Mady. Kate keeps trying to micromanage this, while Mady obviously would prefer to make the calls and is proud to plan it herself. Mady is sixteen years old. At this age, couldn't her mother just give her a budget to spend, a couple hundred bucks or whatever, and let her do this on her own? Mady wants to, she gets enjoyment out of party planning, and it's good for a child this age to take on such a major responsibility. And if Mady slips up and forget something important like the forks, then so be it. That's part of learning how to plan things responsibly, a life skill.

Three days before the party they're meeting with a baker about the cake? That's cutting it awfully close. I don't buy that. This episode feels more staged than usual.

Cara is really resisting helping to plan, won't give an opinion on anything, and doesn't even really want a party. She sounds self-conscious and reserved, easily embarrassed, which is normal for many teens that age. It's funny, because some teens like Mady want nothing but attention, to be the star of the high school play. Others want just the opposite, and would be mortified to have to go on stage or anything of the like. That was me, and I remember that feeling where you were embarrassed even to say you preferred chocolate cake over vanilla. God knows where that comes from but thankfully most teens outgrow it. It seems like teens are usually one extreme or the other. What doesn't make any sense is why a reserved teen would want anything to do with filming. My hunch is, she sure as hell doesn't and is being forced to comply, so she resists in any way she can, including refusing to say much on the couch or cooperate with things like party planning.

Mady has bullied her way into holding the reins here, which is what you have to do when your mother is Kate. Heh, I like how much it bothers Kate to have no say in things. Like watching someone who can't reach an itch in the middle of their back.

Another shopping trip to some kind of craft store. Kate says something like Mady wants to control things for the sake of controlling them, whatever that means. And doesn't that really more aptly describe Kate? This conversation about how Mady and Kate disagree over how to decorate for the party feels like it's going on hours. I can't anymore.

Finally they take two full carts of booty to the checkout for the company credit card, plus some Junior Mints. I always get flashbacks to that classic show Supermarket Sweep when I watch Kate shop on the company card. She tossed those Junior Mints into the cart like they are the special bonus item of the day worth $150. You should always focus on going after the bonus items and make sure to grind the coffee and get the frozen yogurt first. Don't be a fool wasting time on the turkeys, that's for chumps. Such a good show.



The day of the birthday, Kate is running around the house in a total panic. She starts taking out salmon for 20-30 salmon burgers and laments about how it's supposed to be foggy and rainy and this will ruin everything. Well, you planned a birthday party for the outdoors in Pennsylvania in October. Odds are the weather will stink. Why on earth didn't you have a Plan B you could easily turn to, like, I don't know, move the party to inside the house if the weather is bad? She really is a helpless twelve-year-old.

I'm kind of speechless at this next part because it's just so nuts on every level. Kate calls up her "friends" Chrissy and Todd. Remember them? They own the beef jerky place they agreed to be promoted on the sextuplets' birthday episode. Kate knows they have some kind of party room at their store, whatever that means, calls them up, and asks them if they could have the twins'  party at their store due to the weather. I think that's such an incredible thing to ask of someone at the last minute that I'm embarrassed. And remember, she's not just asking them to have 20-30 people over, but also to bring in a whole film crew to their store and film there. Wha? Why not just have it at the Mcmansion, inside? What's the point in buying a mansion like this if you don't have room indoors for a simple party of 20-30 people? Plus, hauling all the party crap they bought to a different location is a huge chore. Shaking my head.

And what are the odds that Chrissy and Todd just happened to be available that very afternoon to have 20-30 people over last minute? Don't most normal families with kids usually have plans over the holiday weekend? Like I said, this episode feels staged. I think all along they were going to have it at Chrissy and Todd's if it rained.

Kate quickly realizes a location change is a logistical nightmare. Of course it is. The kids are upset at how stressed out she is, as they should be. Even Mady, who sometimes can bring the drama, is like, what is the big freaking deal? We have a location now, the food is being cooked as we speak, it doesn't matter. Why on earth didn't she make the salmon the day before? That easily could have been done yesterday, it'll keep. Or pick some other food you can make the day before. Or heaven forbid order a bunch of pizzas and make it easy on yourself. Kate does this purposely I'm convinced, intentionally makes things as difficult as possible on herself. It's a martyr complex, maybe.

Ha, when Kate goes on about how she can't just show up at the party in work clothes and no makeup, Mady says no one is going to care if she's not there. Uh, actually, that's true. This is a party for 16-year-old girls, not their mothers. Nobody will notice whose mother is where or when. You just don't care at that age. Kate randomly launches into a bizarre rant looking straight into the camera, globs of sweat dotting her forehead, about how she does not have a nanny or housekeeper or hired help. Number one, yes you do, and it's all on film. Number two, grow up, Kate. If you don't have a nanny or housekeeper at the moment, get one. You can afford it. That's not our fault you allegedly don't have help that day for whatever reason. And she doesn't even need to pay people to not be so overwhelmed with this party. If one had friends and family, one could ask their best friends, their sister and sister-in-laws, their mother, and so on, to come on over. Something tells me the likes of women she has discarded like Beth and Jodi would have been all too happy to come over and help out today. And what about Jon? It's her choice not to get along with him for one day and put on a party together for the children they made together when they were once in love. Lots of divorced couples do this for their children all the time. Unfortunate.

Mady has to point out to Kate that a party is supposed to be fun. Making salmon burgers, party planning, picking up flowers, is all supposed to be fun. You might be confused who is the adult and who is the child here, but Kate is supposed to be the adult. There's so much yelling and whining about the stupidest things, I cannot even imagine growing up in this house. You know what's interesting is that over and over Kate has emphasized how she just wants this to be perfect on this special day which is why she's having a meltdown, and over and over Mady and even Cara have told her that it's okay. Maybe the twins didn't articulate it quite clearly so doofus could understand it, but I'm not getting the impression at all the twins are demanding this be "perfect." They just want to have a good time and be with their friends. Kate doesn't listen or pay attention to what her children are saying or what they really need. If she did, she would understand that what's far more important to the twins and all her children is that this day is chill and happy. "Perfect" is not what anybody else is after but doofus here. In fact if she would breathe for a second, she would realize that sometimes the most imperfect things make the best memories. The laugh you had when the icing stuck to the lid of the cake box, how muddy everyone got splashing in puddles when the party got rained on, the way Auntie's car wouldn't start when it was time to leave and she had to spend the night and you stayed up late with popcorn and a Disney movie with her. The best memories are often made in life's little hiccups and imperfections, aren't they?

I don't think it's unfair to say that Kate has ruined so many special things for her children like birthdays with her insanity, and this 16th birthday is no exception.

By the way, the house is incredibly cluttered. Random papers, bins, gadgets sitting out, all kinds of miscellaneous stuff. You couldn't even sit at the dining room table if you wanted to. It's always like this, not just before parties. You know, it's not a capital offense to be cluttered, but sometimes, it can contribute to a stressful household, especially if there is already so much stress there already. Everyone might feel a lot better if she would just put stuff away.

Kate thinks that Mady being so parentified by comforting her lunatic mother is "adorable." Oh, brother.

Where's Colin? Just saying.

So, back to the beef jerky change-up, how are they going to make sure 20-30 people know about this sudden location change? Who worked up the permits for this so fast, and what are the odds that the jerky place just happened to be totally available today on a holiday weekend? This is more fake than ever, not that this show isn't fake to begin with.

Nothing happens during this next part except a dress got steamed for a child who doesn't appreciate what a pain that is, and the twins call Kate "Mother" again. I love when they do that.


Kate says the younger children can't come to the party because there is not enough space in the venue. I don't have a problem with that. No teenager wants their kid brothers and sisters at their party. They can do a more intimate family party later and include the sextuplets. What I find hilarious, though, is that Kate just went on a tirade letting us know that contrary to popular belief she does not have a nanny! So who the heck stayed with the younger kids last minute while Kate and the twins were gone? They're a little young to be left by themselves all afternoon. If only to make sure someone is after them to do their homework and that no one burns the house down making grilled cheese.

Kate sure has a sudden group of old friends from various places like lamaze class of all things. Who are all these seemingly nice, down-to-earth people and their pretty daughters and why doesn't Kate contact them when she's feeling so overwhelmed to help her out? Does she not understand this is what a good girlfriend would be happy to do, help out their overwhelmed friend? Is she afraid if she asks for help she'll be asked to return the favor at some point? Or are these people really not all that close friends perhaps? Does she just like the drama and martyrdom of doing it without help? She had no problem letting Jon do it all. So many questions in this episode, and no answers.

Another complaint about TLCgo. Halfway through this episode, about now, when they were showing more endless ads, their ad for Amazon prime froze the rest of the video. Thinking it a glitch, I refreshed it. Went through all the ads again, because they make you, and the Amazon prime froze the darn thing again! After giving it one more try to the same results, I switched over to a bootleg copy found on Youtube. TLCgo is a hot mess. Take it down and re-write the code because it's garbage.

Some marginally handsome dude named Ronnie shows up. Maybe in his late 20's. Kate identifies him as their hair stylist and dear friend from NYC. They have a lot of dear friends who don't actually live in their town, don't they? Both the twins absolutely adore him. Maybe it's me, but this lovey-dovey relationship seems a little odd. I'm all for kids having older mentors, but the hair stylist? I think I would feel better about it if I knew they also had people in their lives they ran to like that like a grandma, or an Aunt Jodi, or a special Sunday school teacher or scout leader. Their circle is just not rounded out with the normal people one would expect a child to really adore and look up to, and it's strange and unfortunate. This guy is not going to be there for these kids through thick and thin as they go through life, like a relative or other close friend would be. It's fun now because he's just starting his career and befriending celebrity families, but he'll settle in soon and realize he has no time for this latching on nonsense and move on.

Mady lets loose that Ronnie was the best surprise ever, except for her laptop. So, she got a laptop for her birthday? This family can finagle a hair stylist and a laptop for a birthday present but not basic day-to-day hired help? Huh.

Back at the ranch, Kate sends an ice cream food truck to pay the younger kids a visit because she felt guilty they couldn't be at the party. Is this for real? The cost of a private food truck visit is outrageous. The way this woman pisses away money then turns around and complains she lacks basic rich people things like a housekeeper, is bizarre. 

This next part has a huge back story to it that I'm only going to summarize ever so briefly, in part because I don't even remember all the details of it, but folks can feel free to elaborate on it in the comments. And that is guess who is watching the kids? A fan! A creepy one too! This is so f-ed up! She's known around these parts as Brownie. On this blog there is a wealth of information about her and her creepy antics that goes back, I'm not even joking, until at least 2011. I did a quick google search of the blog for her, and found some posts to highlight about her. One, from an old poster Red Sky at Night, was talking about how Brownie was incessantly tweeting Kate about meeting up, having coffee with her, seeing NYC with her, and that Kate would just ignore her. And then there were the posts and posts about the expired cereal incident, as explained by good ole poster No Regrets, who said Brownie was going on and on about how she only spent 95 cents a box instead of five bucks, and 21 boxes were for Kate. "Just reading that woman is exhausting," remarked No Regrets. LOL!

I guess crazy as she sounds on twitter, Brownie actually has a legitimate job in real life as an art teacher. (Allegedly. I mean, I could say I'm an art teacher, too. Doesn't make it so.) But how in the holy f--- did she end up not only on this show but watching the kids alone??? How do you go from, I'm a creepy pest on Twitter, to, and now I'm the babysitter left alone with the kids?! What a hot mess. John Lennon, Kate. Jodi Foster. Rebecca Schaeffer. Wake the F up.

Also, another big fat clue that this whole "rained out birthday party oh noooes!" was all staged? How did Kate so quickly set up an art teacher to come stay with the sextuplets and arrange for a food truck to swing by? Gimme an ever loving break. I also find it to be an absolutely glaring omission that Kate doesn't mention, oh by the way, Brownie is just a fan I met on twitter. She paints a rosy picture like this is some art teacher perhaps from school or they met at scouts, and that's just nonsense, a lie. If you're going to be so unbelievably stupid as to allow your fans to have unfettered access to your children like this, at least be honest about it. Also, who thinks Brownie has been angling for a role on this show for years? I betchya a whole lot of DM's were exchanged before this finally happened. This really takes the cake brownie!

Creepy Brownie fan is in the bathroom with Aaden, washing off paint from his face. Good Lord. At least she's a teacher, allegedly, so at least we know someone, somewhere, has done some kind of background check on her at some point, one hopes.


I think this was the episode that got decent ratings out of the rest of the dismal season, and I kind of see why now. It's actually a tiny bit interesting in that it's so....unbelievably.....insane.

The twins lament that the younger kids can say very mean and nasty things. The twins are just as nasty, so I don't really think they should talk.

I can't stand when adults totally exaggerate a child's accomplishments. Brownie calls the actually somewhat messy paint job the kids did on picture frames for the twins "phenomenal." No, it was mostly just mediocre, not even close to phenomenal. And, a lot of the kids were goofing off, messing around during the project, which is not good behavior when one is trying to focus and paint something nice for their sisters. I daresay some of them didn't even try, and Brownie isn't about to be hard on them lest she mess up this once in a lifetime gig. Even some of the kids admit they stink at painting. In any case, a "good job" is sufficient and doesn't give kids an inflated sense of their own crappy skills. Next thing you know you've got some delusional kid setting his sights on majoring in the arts when at best all he can throw together is an ugly finger painting.

Swish back to the Pinterest party. Salmon burgers, and, pesto spaghetti? That's interesting. I'm all for kids getting to pick what they would like to eat on their birthday, but out of courtesy to their many guests, they should have offered something else too almost everyone will eat and enjoy, like your standard marinated chicken strips, or a pizza. Their combo is too weird to appeal to many people, and it's rude to only offer that. At the end of the day Kate is still as rude and inconsiderate as ever, unable to think and realize that their menu is bizarre and not appealing to many.

Oh I just LOVE when Kate gets caught in the lie. Remember how she insisted for years that she really needed to sign up for filming so that their memories could be video taped? Well now she says she filmed almost every moment of the twins when they were babies herself. This was long before the show, remember. So, if it was no problem to film it all yourself, every moment of it, why does one need a camera crew in the first place? What a liar.

Kate herself, she claims at the request of the twins, put together a bunch of clips of the girls from when they were babies to show at the party. It ended up being half an hour. Mady and Cara say on the couch that they actually asked Kate to make a video montage for them only, not to show at the party to everyone, but Kate twisted their request all around. And they said the video was an hour. Yikes. Wouldn't a much better idea be to have this video playing on a loop in the background throughout the party? I've seen that at birthday parties, weddings, and anniversaries, and it works well. That way no one feels obligated to sit down and hush up through a big long montage of boring home videos, but people can still watch and enjoy them throughout the party on their own terms. The way Kate structured it, this film brought the party to an awkward, screeching halt.

The guests are extraordinarily polite, sitting there acting engaged and interested in this very long drawn out boring home video. Oh, there's her stupid "The Gosselin Twins" sign she tacked to the twins' stroller, the very first flicker we ever had of what her ambitions really were. She says that patriotic decorated stroller was part of a competition and she won. She took the competition very seriously, so much so that she blackened the windows of their garage so no one could see her working on the project. Yes Kate, other competitors are going to illegally sneak onto your property peer through garage windows and try to get a peek at your lame decorations and then steal the idea. That's not psycho thinking at all. But yet another fascinating glimpse into how she is wired and how she sees the world.

Kate seems embarrassed at how she looks in this videos. She looks a little dated, sure, with that stupid headband and the tucked in solid colored blouses, but it was 2001, what do you expect? (Hey, how crazy is it that how we all looked in 2001, the year of 9-11, seems so dated now?) Other than that I think she looks young, fresh, normal, and decidedly un-plastic, untouched by the downside of fame and fortune. In short, I think the woman looked good in 2001. Sad she doesn't see it.

I hate when Kate speaks for all mothers. No, not all mothers want their kids to go back to being babies. Some mothers actually enjoy the different stages of their children's lives as they happen, one to the next, and don't constantly long for them to be nine months old. Sheesh.

Kate is really putting huge emotional burdens on the twins about them turning 16. It's a big deal, sort of yes, but it's not that big of a deal. Graduation and going off to college are way worse, how on earth will she handle that?

As they light the candles on the cute cake, Kate proceeds to rattle off 16 things she loves about the twins, which she admits she didn't prepare. That's too many things not to prepare, what a lazy doofus. She ends up saying stupid stuff like I love that you didn't light yourself on fire lighting the candles. Dolt.

These guests are one in a million listening to all this so politely, but I can see a glimmer of impatience finally breaking their smiles. No doubt at some point, the 16-year-old guests would like to hang out and laugh and party with their 16-year-old friends and have this stop being all about Kate.

Thinking back to all the Sweet 16 parties I went to as a kid and I never remember the mothers being so front and center. I don't begrudge adults who have been in their lives wanting to be here for the party, but for goodness sake, have a separate area for the adults so the kids can have some space to enjoy the party just among themselves. As I recall for my 16th, I had a bunch of girlfriends spend the night undisturbed by the adults. Then later on that weekend I had a party for family--immediate family, grandparents from both sides, cousins local to the area, and close family friends. Separating it out like that gives a 16 year old a chance to really just be with their friends, which is so important at that age, while still making sure this event can be marked by family, too. There are so many quick and easy compromises like that Kate could take that she never does.

The party is finally over and Mady says now they're going to go make smores on the deck. Please tell me they will finally be able to do something without all the adults there. Wait, I thought it was raining and they couldn't do things outside?

The twins were very appreciative and sincere about creepy Brownie's art projects the younger kids made, so that was a relief. It's sad when every time someone in this family does something nice for someone else, I brace for impact waiting for the other person to say something rude or ungrateful or otherwise blow them off.

Mercifully, it looks like the girls are having their bonfire without any adults. What a massive relief, finally!

Kate claims the twins thanked her for days and days afterwards. And days. I don't find that representative of how truly grateful they are. Rather it's a red flag that children are fearful that their gratitude is not sinking in with their parent, or that they are otherwise on pins and needles with that parent, and so they do things like that over and over to ensure the parent is appeased. It's a sign of insecurity and dysfunction, Kate.

We close with some more old clips to fill up the rest of the time. Ha, the editors snuck in an old clip of Mady in an Em Tanner shirt. Hey-ya, Em!

Kate doesn't know if she really deserves to be their mother. Nope, she doesn't. See ya next time for the season finale.

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NJGal51 said...

Isn't it funny how her views on the latest video of #NookiePookie catching a ball have reached 19,941 but her likes are stuck at 2,995. You'd think that just some of those thousands watching the video would hit the little heart showing that they "liked" it. It's not that hard to do. Oh, wait, bots can only do what they've been paid/programmed to do. Does TFW not realize that everyone knows this and that she's only fooling herself and a handful of fans?! What a dope. I wonder if the Party City filming will take place this weekend as the prepare (film) the preparations for the upcoming 13th birthday gala.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Day to Day activities???

Oh, Mylanta!

Why not put a small GoPro strapped to their head, live stream it and then you can watch what each one does each day!


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In many ways the fans are spot on that normally a family's normal day to day circumstances are going to make for a much more interesting reality show then to continue to put them in "artificial" ones, like endless stressful vacations. But in this case, it's pretty obvious to me there's not a whole lot of depth to their day to day life, nor does anyone really have the strong personalities to be able to carry a show in which they're just hanging around the house and town interacting with each other.

Look at the show now, any time they just watch the family hang out and do nothing, like pack bags, the show grinds to a screeching halt. I think production knows it, they know there's not much there. So the only thing to do is keep sending them on cheap-ish vacation in the off season on a short time table and hope the stress of it sparks something mildly interesting to film. At the end of the day, it's kind of embarrassing to know your family can't carry a show just being yourselves.

The original Osbournes reality show was quite possibly the best reality show ever made of this genre, the "watch a family just live" genre. Everyone had unique and interesting personalities, and their interactions with the family and others was often funny and always interesting. (Who can forget their hilarious feud with their psycho neighbors who played music too loud, or the irony of it?! The rock star complaining about music too loud--too much) This family just doesn't even come close to the kind of layers that show had. It blew up for a reason, because of the strength of its cast.

As Tucker likes to say, with the Gosselins, there's no "there" there.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#3), I think the huge success of J&K + 8 can be attributed to 2 things: the dynamic between TFW and Jon, and the appeal of 8 very small, adorable children. But both of those elements are gone, and will never return. Sure, they've tried to set M up as a foil for TFW, but it only serves to make M seem like a brat, and TFW like a weak parent. And airing flashbacks every season, to remind viewers of how cuuuute those little kids were, is starting to feel desperate. Which it is.

Tucker's Mom said...

I take no pleasure in saying this, I am not trying to make Jon to be the devil but how can I believe there is nothing he can do when I see all these other parents manage? When Alexis came to visit him and she was full of blisters(or whatever) from that poison ivy that Kate had her pull out, when the children showed up at school with rotting lunches, when Hannah went to Jon and told him how Collin was being mistreated, how are you telling me Jon had no proof that his kids were suffering and therefore there was nothing he could do?
*****
It's mind boggling. We don't know all of what goes on and what Jon's done, but it seems Jon has never gotten the upper hand when it comes to seeing and parenting all of his children.
I really think Jon has given up on Mady ad Cara and will wait to see if they seek a relationship with him.
The younger ones-I don't think I'll ever be able to wrap my mind around it. It defies everything I know.

Formerly Duped said...

I agree. I liked the day-to-day episodes way back when J+K was new better than the expensive trips or special activities. But as Admin said, we've seen that already and the show is over now. We really shouldn't have been allowed to be watching children's daily lives, but it was out there, along with plenty of other reality family shows and even YouTube families who beg viewers to enter their lives.The family dynamics at the G home now are nasty and no one would want to watch that unless there is a catch, I guess, of something special.We already know the morning and evening routine, how they shop for school and groceries, how they do chores and homework, changes to the house like the deck and room swap and we've even seen them in the shower (yikes!)
Even the trips have been exhausted. Really, the show is OVER!

Tucker's Mom said...


The original Osbournes reality show was quite possibly the best reality show ever made of this genre, the "watch a family just live" genre.
*****
Even I often forget that The Osbournes was really the foundation of the genre as we know it today.
Their day to day lives were quite the crazy spectacle, including and mostly because they were people who were infinitely interesting and unique.
As messed up as they were, what with the sex, drug and rock-n-roll, that family LOVED and LIVED for one another.
Sharon was the crazy Brit, West-coast, L.A., rock-n-roll version of Beverly Goldberg (of The Goldbergs), and one of the staunchest matriarchs I've ever seen.
Knowing what I know NOW about bringing reality tv cameras into the homes of couples and families, I don't know if I would have been sooooooooooooooooo sucked into the show. But, omg, I was hooked!
But, look, the Osbournes walked away at the apogee of their show's fame. Their family was facing things that they KNEW money from filming would not ameliorate, so they walked away and each found a life...after being a reality tv star.
Imagine that.

Tucker's Mom said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 4
Admin (#3), I think the huge success of J&K + 8 can be attributed to 2 things: the dynamic between TFW and Jon, and the appeal of 8 very small, adorable children. But both of those elements are gone, and will never return.
*****
Bingo.
Then, the marital fighting, acrimony, fracture of the family and divorce ginned up a new storyline of Kate the Great Single Mom, but that was what? How many years ago?
I can't understand why TLC is still even bothering to film, other than like Admin said, do it with as little expenditure of resources possible, squeezed into short windows of time and use it as filler.
I think for now, this option outweighs the cost of developing a totally new series.

Confused said...

There aren't ANY family reality shows that can be compared to the Osbourne's. It was Ozzy Osbourne even if he was on the downside of his career. His name alone was a huge draw. Their show regularly brought in ratings in the 4 million range. Kate's no Ozzy Osbourne.

Blowing In The Wind said...

In other Kate Gosselin social media news, you can STILL pre-order her cookbook!
Yay!

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Will it be released in time for Mother's Day delivery?

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I certainly hope so. I need that recipe for the hummus. I have about four bottles of lemon juice I need to use before it expires.

jamesvader1194 said...

Reading the stuff that Border Collie did,i have to wonder what kind of mental health she has.If Nick is BC why is she pretending to be someone she isn't?Is she so ashamed of the person she is that she has to make up stuff about her life?We say this alot but Kate does Attract alot of the weirdos.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Blowing (#10), that comment cracked me up!

Food Network just gave Giada DeLaurentiis a new series, and renewed her other 2 shows. I'm telling you, they hand these shows out like candy. But nothing for poor Schmoopy.

Tucker's Mom said...


Will it be released in time for Mother's Day delivery?

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I certainly hope so. I need that recipe for the hummus. I have about four bottles of lemon juice I need to use before it expires.
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I have 5 cans of chili and beans that I need to use!

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

here aren't ANY family reality shows that can be compared to the Osbourne's. It was Ozzy Osbourne even if he was on the downside of his career. His name alone was a huge draw. Their show regularly brought in ratings in the 4 million range. Kate's no Ozzy Osbourne.

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As reality shows go that was an A plus. Point being, it's a good example of the kind of depth you need to have a successful reality show. There has to be some element of personality, charisma, depth, something. She had a little of it with her dynamic with Jon. That's gone now. No doubt producers have certainly talked about just doing a show about them living, much like what they do with the Little People show. But it's been scratched, there's not enough there.

GollyGee said...

Admin said...14

Their show regularly brought in ratings in the 4 million range. Kate's no Ozzy Osbourne.

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I wasn't a regular watcher of the O's show.

But I knew enough that Mrs. O ASKED her oldest daughter if she wanted to be on the show and she said, no. And the best thing about this is that they HONORED her request!

TFW has always said for years is that they sit all the kids down YEARLY and ASK them if they want to continue to film. If anyone doesn't want to, then so be it. They stop filming.

What a freaking joke she is! She got Collin out of her hair and how traumatizing for the kids to have Collin removed from the home and then she should of stopped filming. But she didn't! Filmed a freaking BD party without them. Said it was the bestest BD party evah!

And is continuing to film. What is sickening is that she does this to the fans and they actually believe it.

GollyGee said...

Hey, Blowing, I cracked up on the lemon juice!

5 chili beans! lol

Sounds like TFW's Mexican Lemony Sunshine Chili!

Tucker's Mom said...

Jacob Roloff exposes more TLC fakery:

"Jacob Roloff has made peace with his family after years of feuding, but the headstrong son refuses to stop speaking out about the clan’s “harmful” and “fake” reality series, Little People, Big World.

In a post on his new blog with girlfriend Izzy, Rock & Roloff, the retired TV star, 20, slammed the TLC show for bringing his beloved mother Amy to tears while she filmed a “staged” scene with estranged husband Matt about their painful separation.

“In the scene they were supposed to be discussing some serious matter…I remember though that the scene they were doing was inherently staged and fake. Whatever discussion they were acting out had already happened in real life, so this was at best a rehashing,” Jacob recalled. “When they came out though, I saw tears in my mom’s eyes and I suddenly realized that this staged ‘joke,’ ‘fake’ thing was effecting real life in a profound way.”

"Earlier in the new post, he called the “characterizations” on the series as “not only incomplete or untruthful” but “harmful.”

Despite the harsh criticism of LPBW, Jacob insisted he has moved on from the resentment he once held toward his loved ones for forcing him on the show at just 6 years old.

“I’ve come to let go of all bitterness in recent years towards both my parents and the production company,” he revealed."

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/little-people-big-world-family-feud-jacob-roloff-slams-reality-show-fake-harmful/

GollyGee said...

RoxyHelen said...196

Perhaps they should all lose custody of those four beautiful children. Is anyone who thinks a child molester should have 24/7 unsupervised access to children actually a good guardian or parent? I don't think so. If their mother is willing to expose those two little girls in particular to potential rape, I'm sorry but I'm not convinced she deserves them.

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RoxyHelen, you are right. Anna had and has a right to leave Josh and take the childen with her. She has a Biblical right to divorce him legally and morally. Jesus said, There are only 2 ways to divorce. Adultery and Abandonment. Josh did both.

But when you have your own parents and your in-laws telling you not to leave him, she caves. Then she gets pregnant, right away.

Even her own brother told her that he would help get her and the kids away from him.

But what it boils down to is that Anna chose her husband over her own kids, which is horrible. I pray that he keeps his hands off them. Because if he doesn't, no amount of another "carpenter rehab" for 6 months is going to make it all better.

This time he will go to jail for decades.

Tucker's Mom said...

From Jacob's blog:

"Here's something original: I was on camera almost every day for at least 13 years. Putting that in the background, I can now talk about old ideas I've found that have impacted me and which have that 'new' quality when put in the context of such an original thing as growing up on TV. For a comparison in time as well as attitude, Kylie Jenner and I have been on TV for about the same time. Obviously, her situation is on a bit of a larger scale, and she continues to take part. What's wild to me about kids growing up on TV is that it's a complete experiment. There's no precedent or research on the long term effects of such an experiment, yet we keep gambling."

"However, filming is the raw material, production is when they create a story. Obviously I was a brat sometimes, which would be abnormal if I wasn't, but Created Character Jacob from Little People Big World was a brat in totality. Not just simply acting bratty, like normal; production redefined his humanhood to Brat. They did the same tricks with my whole family. I posted once that, "the family that is filmed is not my family. They are the Roloff Characters.." People mistook that and said such outrageous things as, "So who is your real mom?!" Obviously what I meant was that the Characters everyone sees on TV are merely the product of a group of folks in LA editing raw footage into a story that sells."

"One of my least favorite things to do while filming was formal interviews. We sat down on a tiny uncomfortable chair, small enough to be hidden so as to not break the fourth wall; "Who set up that chair anyhow?" — this was Reality TV after all. Then the producers asked us silly repetitive questions that no right headed 6-10 year old would have a solid answer to; rather I should have been asking the questions to the adults!"

https://www.rockandroloff.com/writing/2017/2/9/life-happens

DO READ ALL OF JACOB'S BLOG POST!

I think all of us really "get it" and he writes about the sheeple who just don't. Don't get that reality tv is anything but, and production creates stories and characters out of real life filming of adults and children, which is very protracted in nature and winnowed down to a nice, tidy 24-minuted package, delivered to your tv every week, for your enjoyment.

Tucker's Mom said...

Wow, a comment on Jacob's blog post"

"Jacob, I honestly feel sad that you had a camera shoved in your face yet I sat and watched it. I am part of the problem. That's one of the reasons I stopped watching Kate plus 8 or whatever it's called and luckily that show got canned. Those kids deserve a childhood where they can experience real emotions and not be labeled 'brats'. I get why you chose to stop filming and don't label you a spoiled brat for you not appreciating the "fame". Vacations and fame don't equal happiness. I'm sure you'd trade quality time ALONE with your parents vs all the rewards brought by the show...."

Reading that, it feels like finally you hear someone shout back when you shout into the abyss!

Tucker's Mom said...

In the "life is stranger than fiction" category, we have Mama June doing a swimsuit photo shoot and media tour, following in Kate's post-Jon footsteps, "The New Me!" version.

http://www.eonline.com/news/848189/mama-june-is-down-to-137-lbs-so-she-s-celebrating-with-a-second-baywatch-themed-swimsuit-shoot

I give June about a 10% chance of keeping the weight off after the show and money go away. Her weight loss is inversely proportional to HBB's weight gain.
That is not a healthy household.
http://www.eonline.com/news/848189/mama-june-is-down-to-137-lbs-so-she-s-celebrating-with-a-second-baywatch-themed-swimsuit-shoot

Sheepless In Seattle said...

In the "life is stranger than fiction" category, we have Mama June doing a swimsuit photo shoot and media tour, following in Kate's post-Jon footsteps, "The New Me!" version.

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I looked at the new photos of her in the red swimsuit. This is more heavily brushed than the Kate pictures in Mexico (when they removed her belly button). All of June's excess skin had to go somewhere, so it appears to have been erased through the magic of editing.

Confused said...

All of June's excess skin had to go somewhere, so it appears to have been erased through the magic of editing.
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I saw some clip of an interview she did recently and she showed the scars on the upper, inside of her arms where skin had been removed. They were pretty big scars.

RoxyHelen said...

GollyGee said... 18

But when you have your own parents and your in-laws telling you not to leave him, she caves. Then she gets pregnant, right away.

Even her own brother told her that he would help get her and the kids away from him.

But what it boils down to is that Anna chose her husband over her own kids, which is horrible. I pray that he keeps his hands off them. Because if he doesn't, no amount of another "carpenter rehab" for 6 months is going to make it all better.

This time he will go to jail for decades.

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I do not say this lightly, I can sympathies with Anna, I feel bad for her because she has been raised to never leave her husband and put up with anything I'm sure but those children's safety has got to come first. Even if Anna herself is to some degree a victim.

TLC stinks said...

Not sure who made this original post:
"I take no pleasure in saying this, I am not trying to make Jon to be the devil but how can I believe there is nothing he can do when I see all these other parents manage? When Alexis came to visit him and she was full of blisters(or whatever) from that poison ivy that Kate had her pull out, when the children showed up at school with rotting lunches, when Hannah went to Jon and told him how Collin was being mistreated, how are you telling me Jon had no proof that his kids were suffering and therefore there was nothing he could do?"

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Anyone who defends Jon needs to open their eyes. He's as much a part of the problem as Kate. Absolutely this guy is as selfish as his ex. The excuse we don't know what he's been doing over the years in the courts doesn't fly at all. He may be a personable guy, but he's all about himself, his lifestyle, and allowing Kate to shoulder the monetary responsibility of raising those kids (and in a cruel way).

Tucker's Mom said...

June is heavily brushed in her "Bay Watch" photos. It's funny how she's following right behind Kate, with the makeovers, veneers, blonded, French-tipped, new clothes, new shoes, etc.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...


I do not say this lightly, I can sympathies with Anna, I feel bad for her because she has been raised to never leave her husband and put up with anything I'm sure but those children's safety has got to come first. Even if Anna herself is to some degree a victim.


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And this is where I don't believe that tolerance of all beliefs and religions is a good thing. Not when it puts others in harm's way. Their religion, a core tenant of which is to stand by your man, is putting children at risk. Her children are at risk, serious risk, of being molested. But because her religion says so, she has to work it out with their father, have another baby with him or more, and allow him unfettered access to children approaching the age of the children he molested. He does not discriminate when it comes to biology, he molested his own sisters. Nothing says he won't molest his own children. He is a pedophile and deviant who has not gotten good treatment, and her religion says she has to stay with him. That's not freedom of religion. That's WRONG.

She's going to lose her kids herself someday, mark my words.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

I think Jacob Roloff is a very credible, eloquent spokesman about the dangers of children on reality TV. He's saying to the world, straight up, that reality TV is fake, but the damage it can do is very real.

I've admitted that I thought Jacob seemed like a bit of a jerk during his teenage pothead rebellion phase. But after reading about his struggles...well, I might be a jerk, too, if my childhood had been manufactured and edited and put on display for the masses, so that my parents could pay their bills. I wish him luck with his future.

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

Jacob is probably one of the first kids in the modern era to truly grow up on TV. What he has to say should be taken very, very seriously.

I'm not talking about three or four season of a show. We're talking 12-15 YEARS of a show, of near constant filming throughout childhood. That's never been done before at this level, this is a new thing, they're one of the first. The Gosselins are right behind them.

His point about being a brat as a teen is well taken. Lots of kids will go through a bratty stage and end up being very normal and often quite successful adults. He makes a great point that a child needs freedom to go through that stage and have it handled by teachers and parents and other appropriate adults, not handled by the public, by strangers. Talk about dysfunctional.

And by the way, I never saw Jacob as "the brat." He seemed quiet and sweet to me, a baby face, and his mother's last prized pride and joy despite his struggles. I think every viewer of this show with any kind of heart felt that heart stop when he had a near deadly head injury on the farm (all filmed of course.) But if he feels that who was on TV wasn't really him then I trust his judgment on his own self.

Sad but true said...

It's heartbreaking to read what Jacob Roloff wrote about the staged scenes with his parents. Can you imagine the confusion that is sown when, as a child, you watch this stuff play out in real time and then have it recapitulated for the sake of the cameras? Anyone who thinks this is an "okay" way to raise children needs to have their head examined. I recall that doofus Nick saying that only a very small portion of the Gosselin kids' lives have been filmed. That may be true now, as the show's popularity wanes, but it certainly wasn't in the first 6 or 7 years of the show.

Kate's been quiet for a few days, which I assume means she's heavy into all the crap that will no doubt surround the "milestone" birthday. Princess Charlotte took this week's People cover, so I hope that means the birthday will only get a glancing mention in next week's rag.

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin (#29), you said you trust Jacob's judgment on his own self. That makes me think about TFW, and what's going to happen when -- no, not "if," but WHEN -- she is taken to task by at least a few of her children for what she did to their childhoods.

I believe any rebellious G child will receive the gaslight treatment. What do you mean
I violated your privacy? No, that didn't happen! Watch the shows and see how much fun you had! Look how people sent you gifts! Look how you got to have a stay-at-home mother, because the show paid our bills! It's all your FATHER'S fault, anyway -- go complain to him! She will NOT let them hold her accountable for anything negative. And if their feelings are voiced strongly enough, or if one or more write a book (a fear which should be keeping her up at night), she'll simply cut them out of her life. Look how easy it was for her to toss a 12-year-old out of her house. Once they're grown and not under her roof, and filming has long ended, she won't hesitate to let go of whoever doesn't serve her needs any longer. Remember, you're either with her or against her.

Sad but true said...

FlimsyFlamsy said... 31

I agree. She will stick hard by the story that there was NO other way to raise them, unless they wanted to live in a 2-bath house and go to bed hungry. She's got it all worked out, and she won't be deviating from the fiction she's painstakingly worked on at least since the divorce. It would be awesome if one of them asked her, down the line, to show them the spreadsheets of the finances over all the years of the show. What I wouldn't give for a look at the line items labeled Steve ("security") and K8 ("management"). That would open some eyes. But that will never happen.

Sad but true said...

Oh there is a recent post on the new FB page. She's posted a link to a missing child story.

Kate Gosselin shared Fox 35 WOFL's live video.
So scary! Hope she comes home safely and soon! :(

RoxyHelen said...


Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 27


I do not say this lightly, I can sympathies with Anna, I feel bad for her because she has been raised to never leave her husband and put up with anything I'm sure but those children's safety has got to come first. Even if Anna herself is to some degree a victim.


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And this is where I don't believe that tolerance of all beliefs and religions is a good thing. Not when it puts others in harm's way. Their religion, a core tenant of which is to stand by your man, is putting children at risk. Her children are at risk, serious risk, of being molested. But because her religion says so, she has to work it out with their father, have another baby with him or more, and allow him unfettered access to children approaching the age of the children he molested. He does not discriminate when it comes to biology, he molested his own sisters. Nothing says he won't molest his own children. He is a pedophile and deviant who has not gotten good treatment, and her religion says she has to stay with him. That's not freedom of religion. That's WRONG.

She's going to lose her kids herself someday, mark my words.


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I agree to a certain degree. I think the problem is how aspects of one's religion are interpreted and taken to an extreme or in some cases twisted to justify horrible acts. I feel like the best thing to do is to balance religion with reason. I do not share the Duggar's religion(what are they, again?) but someone above said Anna had religious grounds(so to speak) to leave Josh which I feel supports my theory. THeir religion says a marriage can end if adultery occurs yet Anna's family has twisted and reinterpreted things so that they now say "you can never leave your husband no matter what".

I have a raging headache and can't focus much but I hope I make sense. I think bottom line is: we shouldn't tolerate twisted interpretations of various religions and we shouldn't accept people's actions when they are justified by "religion".

RoxyHelen said...

Sad but true said... 30

I recall that doofus Nick saying that only a very small portion of the Gosselin kids' lives have been filmed. That may be true now, as the show's popularity wanes, but it certainly wasn't in the first 6 or 7 years of the show.

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What planet does this guy live on? Season 3 had over 40 episodes iirc. Filmed in less than a year. We saw the children being potty trained, taken to doctors appointments, taking naps, eating, vomiting, crying, fighting, hugging, traveling, having accidents, being disciplined, putting on shoes. The avid fans knew exactly what to send the children for Christmas, during that fake Christmas back when the kids were 3. Kate and Jon thought it was normal and ok how well strangers knew exactly what their children liked(I am almost quoting them here, they said they were amazed by how well the fans knew what each of their children liked). How delusional are these 5 remaining Kate fans?

PA Dutch Mom said...

Anyone who defends Jon needs to open their eyes. He's as much a part of the problem as Kate. Absolutely this guy is as selfish as his ex. The excuse we don't know what he's been doing over the years in the courts doesn't fly at all. He may be a personable guy, but he's all about himself, his lifestyle, and allowing Kate to shoulder the monetary responsibility of raising those kids (and in a cruel way).

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Anyone who DOESN'T know Jon needs to open their eyes. This guy is not perfect, not by a long shot, but he is absolutely not selfish. I won't, however, get into it. Biting my tongue here!

Confused said...

Here's the interview with WW where Mama June shows the scar under her arm from skin removal. It also gives a fairly good idea of what she looks like without the air brushing. I give her credit for the regimen she's stuck with. Rarely do you ever see a bathing suit photo that hasn't been airbrushed.

Scroll down:
http://www.eonline.com/news/843450/will-mama-june-maintain-her-300-pound-weight-loss-wendy-williams-delivers-her-honest-prediction

Layla said...

I think one of the problems with the current version of K+8 is the lack of interaction with others. In every other reality show, you have friends and extended family wandering in and out of the house, and they are as much of a draw as the main family. With the Gs, there is nobody else. No relatives, no friends, no neighbors. Kate banned them all. People enjoyed the interaction between Kate and Jon, and it could make for good TV to watch them interact as a divorced couple with joint custody--but Kate refuses. Viewers tune in to watch the Roloffs and their changing relationship. They would definitely tune in to watch the Gs. And friends--viewers love Jodi, Kevin, Beth, Ashley. But Kate banned them all. Now it's just Kate and the kids. That's it.

I'm sure "Nick" has conveniently forgotten all the filming from when the kids were little. That's all in the past, and the fans follow Kate's lead and Swiffer the past. Except when it pertains to Jon, of course. Besides, all the kids were doing for 40 episodes a year was running in and out of the frame, right? It's true because Kate said so! But whenever I think of that excuse, I am reminded of the episode where the kids got their crooked houses. They were all gathered in front of their play houses answering inane questions, and Kate called for them. The kids yelled back, "We're interviewing!". Interviewing. The tups were 4. Running in and out of the frame, my foot!

FYI said...

Remember the personal Kate Gosselin FB account that I found? The one that was opened Apr. 6 and had the same pictures as the verified Kate account?

Well,yesterday, the name on the personal account has now been changed from Kate Gosselin to Irene Katie, and the cover and profile pictures were also changed.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100016116705662

Was the name change done to avoid confusion with the verified account, or was it done to hide the fact that she has a personal account? I think it may be the latter, especially since the pictures were also changed.

Perhaps someone reading here notified her that her personal account was discovered. Especially, since it was changed just 2 days after I posted about it here.

Sad but true said...

Kate is a twit said... 39

I get "Link is missing or broken" when I click on that. Granted, I don't have a FB account, but unless it's private I can usually see something.

Over And Out said...

TLC Stinks...there are some locals here who actually know Jon and could have information on what he has done and what he is doing, as well as his interaction with his children and how much he has done for them. I believe that most likely those people know just a bit more than what's really going on than those who read the tabloids.

If they chose to defend Jon, that's up to them, and I don't think that they need to have their eyes opened, especially since they do know him. The fact that not everything, especially things involving Collin and the custody issue isn't being made public, isn't an 'excuse' for anything. It is what it is.

FYI said...

Sad but true said... 40
Kate is a twit said... 39

I get "Link is missing or broken" when I click on that. Granted, I don't have a FB account, but unless it's private I can usually see something.
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I guess you have to have a FB account to see it. When I'm logged in, the link works. If I'm logged out, I get the same message you did.

It probably has to do with how the privacy settings are set up. For example, my account is set to prevent outside search engines(i.e Google) from linking to my profile. If I try to access my account when I'm not signed in by using the link to my page, I get that message that the page is not available.

Sad but true said...

Kate is a twit said... 42

Thanks, that makes a few things clearer. :)

FlimsyFlamsy said...

Admin, would you consider doing a new post with Jacob Roloff's comments? It occurs to me some folks may be too busy to read here during the week, and might get a chance to catch up over the weekend. And I think Jacob's remarks are so relevant to our ongoing concerns for the G kids. Here's a young reality TV "lab rat" who has reached legal age, and is able to offer such a powerful account of the experiment he's lived through. His is a cautionary tale, and deserves to be heard and respected.

GollyGee said...

Why doesn't she just use the infamous Karen Kauffman on Facebook?

Only a few people know who that really is.

Karen, aka, TFW, ordered the ovarian stimulation shot from Canada to help overstimulate her ovaries so she could have a nursery full of babies for fame and fortune.

Robert found it in her trash along with the box and the receipt.

Original T said...

Here's something interesting: I was just reading a TMZ article about one of the Carradine brothers and it turns out when he was on celebrity wife swap he made $70,000. I wonder how much Miss Cate made?

PA Dutch Mom said...

I am going to stop biting my tongue for just a minute and say that Jon is quite possibly one of the least selfish people I have ever met.

Off to check on the wiener schnitzel! Late supper tonight. I made a lemon sponge pie. Maybe I'll skip the schnitzel and go right to the pie.

Jamesvader1194 said...

@Tucker's Mom (8)Im still on the devotion theory.I think TLC feels that they've film the Gossleins since birth and have to continue filming as much as they can.Same with the duggars.Im not sure i believe what Goody saids and that TLC will continue filming Kate when all the kids leave the house.MsGoody2Shoes21_‏ @MsGoody2Shoes33
Replying to @Gardendelightfu
Kate does work. Matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if TLC continues following her after the kids fly the coop.

NJGal51 said...

Agree with Flimsy about a new post with Jacob's comments.

Thanks PA Dutch Mom. You seem to know Jon and I believe what you say about him and would rather not dog pile on him.

GollyGee said...

Yes, Admin, Jacob would be a great choice.

Seeing Jacob hurt by the catapult swing was really awful and the camera, up right in his face!

I knew something was wrong when he was so little and laying on the couch, upset and again, the camera hovering over him getting every second of it.

RoxyHelen said...

Bringing over here this comment fragment posted on this blog in oct 2014, when Kate had a yard sale(I saw an article online and clicked over here to see if it was covered here).

Native Pa Lady said... 104

Hi. I read here but don't post often, maybe twice a year.

I was at the sell with my daughter and kids. Jon was there on the playground with 2 boys and 3 girls. I am not sure which boy was not in the group. There were other kids playing as well. Jon was running around playing maybe tag. They looked happy and at ease.

I did not see an adult with them other than Jon.

Native Pa Lady
October 25, 2014 at 1:03 PM

I really have to wonder if it was Collin, the boy that wasn't playing with Jon. If so, this is so puzzling. Even with Collin there, Jon still didn't play with him? At the end he presumably left with all 8 kids but isn't this whole thing strange? Something might have already been going on. I get the feeling that there was a lot more that we know about but because at the time we didn't know anything about Collin, we didn't pay close attention. I think maybe there could be a lot of public puzzle pieces and we just don't realise it.

RoxyHelen said...

Yep, looked into it and sure enough, during the yard sale episode they also celebrated Mady and Cara's b-day and Collin arrive at the party place separate from the other children, allegedly having spend the weekend(?) at some friends' house. There's this "scene" when he arrived and I think you hear him yell "Mady!", he seems overjoyed to see her and the two sibling hug. He is notoriously absent from a lot of scenes before that and he appears off in most couch interviews. I'm now convinced that something was going on from way back then if not further back. Dear God, for how many years did this woman film her son while he was going through tough things?? I am horrified.

Formerly Duped said...

Yes, I recall several episodes like that one where Collin was there for only bits and pieces, like the room reveal. Or he was at the table, then next shot, absent. I agree he was either under 'penalty of severeness' of some kind aka partial isolation, pulled out for filming, before he was sent off.Poor kid- he seems so kind and helpful

Sad but true said...

Young Paige has finally discovered K8's new "verified" FB page (not the private Irene Katie one). Will she get a reply, lol?

Paige Campbell Is this really you Kate!?

Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said...

New post about Jacob.

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