Coming up on Kate Plus 8. Well, this party looks reasonably cool, with camping, mani-pedi's for the girls, archery tag, and the return of some yesteryear characters in Ashley, Jamie and Steve.
The thing is, kids don't need fancy ski trips, lavish parties, private lessons in whatever, or to get on a plane and go somewhere where the humidity is 90% and it's off season so the Air B&B mansion is half off. Rather, kids just want to blow up an air mattress and sleep in their own back yard. I'm glad they finally get to experience something cost effective and normal on their special day.
Kate has dreaded age 13 since they were born, Kate says. Well, that's a rather negative outlook on a rather wonderful age. Need we say more, she asks?
Pretty please do not say more.
But, of course, we're not getting off that easy. She will say more. A lot more. Kate struggles with party ideas, and to top last year's birthday every year. Not only is this woman in a competition with everyone else, but for goodness sake she's even in competition with last year's Kate. Sheesh. Her kids can speak now, and have minds of their own. Why not ask them what they want to do for their birthday. That will take a lot of burden off you to think of something. You'd be surprised how much a teen knows exactly what they want for their birthday.
Between Aaden and Mady and Kate, and producers of course, they came up with the idea to do a camping birthday, with the boys camping and the girls "glamping."
Sounds like an excuse to do a huge shopping spree at REI to me!
Lol, why make something easy. Kate has to remove an entire giant swing set in order to have room for one of the tents. The kids are bummed about this. At least she's not just dumping it into the dumpster, she's going to give it to a friend. That's nice. I actually remember when we removed the swing set at our house when I was a teen and I did find it surprisingly sad, even though like these kids, I hadn't used it in years. I remember us kids protesting, and our parents calmly reasoning with us that we never use it, and it will make caring for the lawn easier and provide more room for things we do more of now, like kicking a soccer ball around. Every kid should grow up with a swing set, and then have to watch it go when they are a teen. It's a right of passage and actually, a life lesson.
No one consulted Mady about this, Mady protests. And that's another reason that seemingly little things like removing a swing set are good for kids to see. I guess these kids are an exception since they do pay their way, but, for most kids, it's a life lesson in that it wasn't really your swing set, it's your parents' set to decide what to do with it, and it's not really your lawn, you aren't paying the property taxes and mortgage or doing the lawn upkeep. In life, many things that don't really belong to you will be taken away by someone else it does belong to making the decision. And if you don't like that, you need to work hard to get your own property someday so you can make your own decisions about swing sets. And also, it's good to teach kids that it's okay to let something go that was special to you, move on and let other children enjoy it, and just have the memories. Kate is too busy actively trying to teach her children things to notice that she just did so without trying.
We go on some long unrelated tangent complete with flashbacks about which sibling is which's favorite. Weird, divisive question and who cares?
Some guys who apparently don't want their business associated with Kate (their shirts are blurred out) set up the tents. Heh.
Some intern had fun with the drone getting a nice high speed shot of the house from above. It really is a sprawling property, with impeccable landscaping. I would do so much more with the outdoor space though. All they've got is a "meh" pool, and that deck fit for preachers and gays alike. I'd do an expansive outdoor space with an outdoor TV for watching sports, built in grill area with a sink and fridge, a bar, and lots of kinds of plush seating to choose from. A ping-pong table, corn hole, and other outdoor games are a must, and these kids would have everybody over at their house all the time. Seeing it now from above, the deck doesn't really serve much of a purpose. You have plenty of room at ground level to house all the same furniture across a much bigger area, instead of crammed onto a small deck. I don't get the point of the deck at all. The only thing I remember Kate saying about it is that she was tired of carrying things from the kitchen upstairs, I guess, to the original patio area downstairs. Well, that's a poor layout of a house then, and something you should have thought of upon purchase. Also, that doesn't seem like a good enough reason to create a smaller outdoor area when you could use the huge area downstairs and make it up really nice.
Jamie's back again. They must have come to terms on her contract because she was gone for awhile prior to these past few episodes. The boys' tent is going to be deep in the woods, which is cool, but kind of strange how isolated they are back in the woods when the girls are right near the house. The kids are arranging a cool fire pit, which should have been done years ago, but better late than never.
It's kind of nice the girls come to help the boys set up their stuff, though they seem to only be doing it to have an opportunity to boss them around, and the boys don't really appreciate much of it. Aaden is in that stage of his voice changing where he mostly just sounds stuffed up. Heh.
Kate's already called it quits even though I haven't seen her helping with much anything, announcing exhaustedly this is the last big birthday party she's doing for them. Good, she should butt out for once and let them go off with their friends for their birthday or heaven forbid have Jon host the party one year.
The day of the party is here, and Kate has a million and a half excuses why she had to do everything last minute (i.e. why she intentionally creates drama for the cameras). Funny thing is as she says this she and Jamie are doing things that absolutely could have been done ahead of time, like putting a pillowcase on a pillow. It's really a good thing she is not someone's regular employee because she would be a pain in the neck.
Wow, we're getting a knock in at her parents and childhood early this episode. We're only 16 minutes in and this is the party Kate always wanted as a kid but never had. I'm really, really sorry to her parents they have to continue to hear spiteful comments like this from their daughter on such a public platform. I'm betting her parents did the best they could with what they had, did not value spending money as the only way to show a child love as Kate does, and I hope, hope they know that for the vast majority of adults, a good childhood does not mean an over-the-top, lavish, expensive birthday party. If all they threw for their children were modest birthday parties here and there over the years, they did nothing wrong. Many families can't afford to throw parties at all, other than just inviting family and a few friends over for cake and ice-cream. It's expensive to throw a big party with a bunch of kids every year. Kreiders, ya got dealt a nasty kid here who is in the minority, not the majority, when reflecting on what makes a great childhood, okay?
Kate and Jamie are assembling things. Kate argues with everyone, even the instructions, yelling at the instructions and Jamie that clockwise, counterclockwise, it doesn't matter.
Jamie is like, eh, it probably does matter. (It probably does!). But Jamie was never one to push her until absolutely necessary.
Steve is our "Head of Security" Kate says with a straight face as he shuttles her around the property and does shit for her more like a personal assistant would do than a bodyguard on the roof watching for snipers.
I just spit my orange juice. Head of security?! Lol. Like there's an entire secret service in place for these has-beens. And for head of security, he sure hasn't taught her well, as just the other day she was encouraging fans to approach her and talk to her in The Cheesecake Factory. Not very wise to invite such close access to total strangers.
More like Head of Dolts, chief head! Steve is usually behind the scenes, explains Kate. Ha, he sure is!
I guess this is part of the slow master plan to ease Steve into the picture. A long conversation about a compass and setting up a scavenger hunt for the party. There is something about how he is talking here that rubs me the wrong way. He's so matter-of-fact, direct, and rings rather arrogant. Nothing is thought through because he already instantly knows the answer. He seems like the kind of husband who never asks for directions, always decides what the plan will be for the family without caring what anybody else thinks, and never lets you touch the credit cards. In other words, an ass. I never liked anything about Steve, unlike friends like Ashley and Jamie, who seem okay to even really cool sometimes.
This also seems like something that could be mostly set up the day before. They're like an old dysfunctional married couple, with Steve making a-hole comments to Kate like she should go back to the house to be safe, and that she's disorganized. I don't like someone like this. I know it's Kate, and she's annoying as hell, but it doesn't mean you get a free pass to be an asshat to her.
Steve says, interestingly enough, that a lot of people don't tell her things, but he tells her the truth. If she's wrong, he tells her. I'm not at all surprised people don't want to offend Kate, because when you do, you usually get cut off from the children. Doesn't seem like Steve would care much if that ever happened. But again, Steve sounds like an ass. Yes, of course you should tell someone the truth about themselves. Prince William said years ago he can't stand lackey friends, and only surrounds himself with people who are willing to call him out. Otherwise he fears he'll go haywire. But, the way Steve says it, he makes it sound like he's always right and Kate's always wrong, and thank goodness he is around to save her from herself. I can't believe Kate puts up with this condescending crap. I'd fire this guy within a day if only for the terrible example he's setting for the kids.
Mady is working on the girls glamping area, and it's really nice, with lots of pinks and whites and comfortable seating. Cara is nowhere to be found. Maybe she is doing what normal kids do on the weekend, go play sports, hang with friends, off at a music lesson, upstairs doing homework.
The archery tag people arrive in an absolutely gigantic vehicle. Yeesh! This party is really starting to $$$$$$$$$$. Also this is a good excuse to kill time showing a bunch of flashbacks to archery tag. Aw, the kids are absolutely thrilled about this.
Boys vs. girls, Kate announces immediately. Good golly, enough already!!
The kids are conforming to the usual gender stereotypes, with the girls wanting a prissy glamping experience and the boys a more rugged, GI-Joe like party. They are this bound to their gender stereotypes because they are being raised by a mother who adheres to strict gender stereotypes. On the one hand, this rigid adherence to typical gender roles is beyond antiquated, and is the kind of thinking that eventually makes some children uncomfortable to be who they really are. I'm not implying gay necessarily, but just non-conformist or just not into things like nails and dressing up (perhaps, Alexis). On the other hand, there is a lot of pressure on parents lately to do away with gender roles and raise kids homogeneously or nearly so, and in my view, that is really crossing a line into parental rights that people have no right to interfere with. We say a lot about Kate's bad parenting here, but I think the only thing she should be legally forced to do is not abuse her children and get her kids off T.V. Otherwise, if a parent like Kate, possibly in large part due to religion, or for other reasons, wants to raise a boy or girl in a certain way based solely on their genitals, that is their right to do so and they should not feel pressured or shamed by social constructionists for doing so.
Ashley's back, wearing an awesome Johnny Cash shirt. Ashley is going to take on the drudgery of sticking with the boys for the party. Poor thing. It looks like for much of the party the girls and boys will be separated. Wouldn't a good mother want to help out with both parties? It's so sad she sticks Ashley on doing the bulk of the work with the boys, instead of switching off so she spends equal time at both parties. If she thinks her boys don't notice this, she's mistaken.
I don't see Kate doing much work herself, but she sure can delegate the work to everybody else. She is manipulative and everybody falls for it for some reason. Or maybe the only people who fall for it are the ones willing to stick around.
The party begins, with a few friends arriving. I don't think this is going to be a big blowout with dozens of kids, but it's okay, smaller parties are okay too. I've always wondered if the reason they never seem to have endless friends is because a lot of families won't agree to filming, and that would be sad.
Mady is being really great as she helps out with the girls party. I saw shades of Mady's kindness when she was a tyke, along with a flash of temper, too. But when she's regulating herself, she is a kind, cool big sister. She helps organize the mani pedis and the crafts and the girly girls love it.
Oh, their hair stylist hanger-on Ronnie and main beard is here, lugging around water like a regular cabana boy. He sure is their toy, isn't he?
Andrea is here now too. I think this is the same Andrea nanny, or is it? She seems to be incredibly close to Ashley. I'm so lost, are they sisters, BFFs? I had no idea there was a connection between Andrea and Ashley.
The boys and their three or four-odd friends start a scavenger hunt with the A's. They're so cute with the war paint and camouflage. If they cover them all in paint and never show the boys in the same frame, you'll never notice Collin is gone. Typical teen boy stuff, like daring each other to eat a worm. Aw, Collin would have loved this.
All the girls can do is complain that the boys are making noise. They're having fun! Geez! The girls are nothing if not obnoxious. Not only do they seem to do everything they can to ruin the boys' fun, but once the boys are actually having fun, they resent it. It's sad the animosity that has built up, mostly on their end. For the boys' part, they seem far less annoyed with their sisters, and were even pointing out earlier how cool Hannah is. Incidentally, Hannah is the one complaining the most about them. I wonder if she felt guilty afterward. Probably not.
Poor Alexis, she admits this is not her thing and she would rather be down with the boys. But her mother, as is her right, has decided her genitals dictate that she will have her toes painted for her birthday, so alas, here we are.
I'd rather be down with the boys too, they're having a blast on their scavenger hunt, using a compass and finding all the clues. "America!" Aaden shouts as he finds a clue. They're so funny. But he forgot, "F--- yeah!"
Kate can only discuss what she heard about the boys' party, as God forbid she would actually help with any of theirs. Kate was shocked to hear (she didn't actually witness it) Joel took the lead on the scavenger hunt, but, it's okay that he doesn't normally take the lead, as that's just a very normal boy thing, Kate remarks. To not take a leadership role? What in the world is she talking about? Okay, her gender stereotypes are out of control. Girls are bossy and boys are just blind dumb followers? Maybe in her family, because she made it so. She's insane. If anything, for many children it's the opposite, with boys easily falling into leadership roles without opposition, and girls having to be encouraged to take on roles of leadership in a society that has for many years discouraged it or at least made it harder to do so. She's lost her mind.
There's Kate over at the girls party of course, doing the only work I've seen her do this entire time, hand out lemonade. I hope the duchess takes a long rest after that, looked taxing.
Well I'll hand it to Steve, the scavenger hunt he allegedly set up is legit. One clue they have to cut out of a tree, another they have to wade into a creek to get it. Kiwis just intuitively know cool bushwhacking stuff to do like this I think.
They have a creek on their property? I never remember seeing this! What a lost opportunity to get a canoe or kayak and have hours and hours of fun every summer. An idyllic childhood is at their fingertips right in their own backyard, and mostly for free.
It's approaching time for food, and you can't take Kate out of Kate. She screams at the girls to come over and find their seats immediately. Why? Why can't they meander over and sit down like a normal party? She's so high strung and ridiculous, there's no way these kids are going to put up with much of her as adults. Naturally the boys are eating their meal totally separate out in the woods, and Aaden has learned what every growing child should learn, that food tastes so much better cooked over an open fire. Unfortunatly, this lesson wasn't thanks to his mom or dad, but his nanny.
The girls are probably doing glitter, the boys say, which is probably true. "You know what man glitter is? Sawdust!" one of their friends says. Heh! I love their friends, too!
Can Kate please stop hovering over the girls during their filet minot meal yammering on? They're 13 for gosh sakes, nobody wants Mommy there! I don't have any problem if she's there for the party, but hang back with your friends and watch, you're not just one of the girls. Sheesh.
I'm scratching my heads a little over the girls party. There are only five girlfriends there, which is less than two friends per girl, and they all fit easily around one table. But the tent is set up more for a party of 20, with several tables, chairs, and tablecloths. Did a bunch of people not show up? Weird. The demographic of their friends is interesting, too. Mostly nerds with glasses. I don't think these girls are all that popular--filming doesn't necessarily make you the toast of the school by any means. But as long as they are nice friends, that's what's important. I'd put money on these boys being far more popular, their friends are definitely the cool guys. And no surprise, as they are kind, easy going and funny, unlike the girls usually.
At least they finally come together for cake and ice cream, though separate cakes. The cake for the girls is double the size of the boys' little cake. Sheesh. The boys' cake is super cool though, in the shape of a campfire. The girls' cake is so pink I couldn't tell you what it's about.
Happy birthday to Collin? Who's Collin??? And what kind of facility doesn't allow a child to have a birthday visit and party? F that. Kate reads her PR statement, she is comforted that Collin is receiving exactly what he needs, and that hasn't changed. Yeah, not much is changing with Collin--he ain't coming home. She admits this is the second birthday without him, and for those not paying close attention, I think that knowledge is going to hit them like a ton of bricks. Second birthday without your son? Woman, get off the camera and get your priorities back out of whack. Outrageous.
It's "bittersweet." What is sweet about your child being gone for over a year? There is nothing sweet about this. They can't do anything without realizing Collin is missing. Eh, Kate seems to be getting along just fine without him, I don't get any sense any of this is painful for her. She only finally said something, and she should, because she opened the barn door and everyone got pissed she never closed the loop on it. Only, this was not the closure everyone was seeking here at all. If anything, her statement only raised more questions, and provided no indication of when the end will be in sight, as people naturally want to know. Dolt.
I'm glad they're coming together again for archery tag. Watch some kids you don't know play archery tag. You guessed it, nothing interesting happens. Why the holy F is Kate playing? God, go away!!! They are not toddlers where it's appropriate to get right in there and play with them. Leave them alone to have fun with their friends and go watch with your adult friends. I cannot remember a single parent my own or my friends ever butting into our parties like this, not at this age. It would be bizarre. I wonder what their friends think of her helicoptering, it has to be annoying.
Pool time, and all the girls can do is complain about the boys, who are doing nothing wrong. Kate says the boys were off the wall. Because they splashed each other a little? Please. The girls bail on the pool, to which I say good riddance. Kate says the most developmentally accurate statement I've ever heard her say, in that at this age they talk a big game about how boys and girls are gross, yet there's this little underpinning of curiosity there, like hmmm. Heh, yep that's thirteen all right.
Nighttime arrives, and Kate is still at their damn party like she's also turning 13. Go away.
Kate goes around to all the girls and hugs and kisses them goodnight. What about the boys, did they get all this fussing? And does this mean she's finally going to leave their party? Go already!
Meanwhile, the boys sneak into the girls tent with bull horns. Lol. Kate goes on about how she had just got them settled into bed and now they're going to be all crazy again. What's the big deal? Let them run around a bit while you go to bed. They're not toddlers, you can close your eyes and leave them be, with a few ground rules (no pool, stay in the tents area), and they'll be fine. She really is a classic helicopter parent, still thinking she has to tuck her toddlers in at night and keep a close eye on them all the time. It's obnoxious and strange. Kate makes some remark about all the girls taking showers and how long it took. I never remember taking a shower at somebody else's house for just a one-night sleepover, that's kind of odd.
Kate says, well, maybe she'll consider another party next year, if she's alive. I don't find that joke funny. Especially in light of the constant advertisement in the corner of this episode for Princess Diana: Tragedy or Treason?, which I guess must be TLC's contribution to the endless stream of documentaries out this summer as we approach the 20th anniversary of Diana's death. Her son Harry turned thirteen weeks after his mum died, and twenty years later is still crushed over losing her. The things Kate jokes about are not funny, and the things she finds no humor in are usually hilarious.
Where we you when Diana died? I vividly remember it was a Saturday night, and like normal kids Prince William's age, I had two or three girlfriends over and we were hanging out, giggling and doing whatever it is teen girls do. We had the T.V. on and watched as the news scrolled by at the bottom, then interrupted the program. I went to tell my mom something bad had happened to Princess Diana, and I remember it seemed like only a few minutes later Peter Jennings showed up to announce she was dead. Even at my age I clearly remember saying, "Oh my gosh the poor boys!"
Twenty years later, after they have broken their silence this year about how they really feel (still crushed) I'm still saying those poor boys. I wish them lots of help, whether it's therapy or some other outlet, so they can finally process so much of which they say now they never did. Their mum would have wanted them to find closure with this and be happy, and I think they know that.
Kate's still out with all the kids, freaking out over a snake they found. For the tenth time for goodness sake go away and leave the kids alone. The boys remark that Alexis was showing off about the snake, picking it up, and she never would have done so if it weren't for their friend Luke. Lol, nice. She need not fear though, for all the tomboys I've known growing up who are straight, me being one of them, they eventually end up in surprisingly stable and healthy relationships with men, and early on. I wonder if it's because while all the other girls were off with girls, we spent a lot of time getting to know boys without the baggage of a romance. Which means our social skills with boys got really good really fast, because we've had a lot of practice. So by the time we were teens we knew what boys are all about while they are still a mystery to other girls. It does not surprise me Lex is apparently one of the first to show an interest in a boy, and I think she will do well with the opposite sex like other tomboys I've known. I would love to see her have something to one-up the other girls for once, like the best boyfriend. Crossing my fingers.
The boys adored the party. That's sweet. It looks like the girls loved it too. All in all it was a great party despite the gender stereotypes and poor Lex really wanting to hang with the boys. I doubt Kate noticed that other than buying all the camping equipment and the archery tag, this was a very economical party--and the kids seemed to love it the best of all their past parties.
Kate takes the time to blah blah on and on about herself and how in five years she's not sure if she'll still be single. The kids are annoyed she is single. Judging by this party, probably because they want to see her off with a boyfriend and out of their damn hair. Sorry, was anyone asking about Kate and her love life? I thought this was about the children's birthday. Also, in five years? She'll still be single.
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"keeping her options open"...yes. Nailed it.
Sadly, we did call it.
See, that's the thing. According to InTouch, a "source" said the kids said that. We don't know who the "source" is so how can we know if the "source" is legit? Source has to be legit to be believed. MO of course. We can choose to believe the earth is flat.
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Exactly. Don't believe everything you read. "According to a source" immediately raises the red flags and question marks.
NJGal51 said... 187
Maybe TFW will finally get her shot at a cooking show (without the kids). I just want you to know I can't cook but I can teach you how to dump a bunch of crap together and call it dinner
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I think we'll see one or more of the Duggars on the Food Network making Big Casseroles You Can Make For Church Potlucks before we see Khate on any of the new networks.
Part of me thinks Khate is really done this time, but I can't figure out why TLC is so invested in the Duggars (at least the older kids sans JoshieBoy).
Susan1956 (#2), I think the Duggar appeal for TLC is simply the wealth of opportunities for weddings and babies.
Blast from the past re: IJWYTK Collin had abandonment issues and the *%$$(x# used it. Probably threats at first, as in if they don't do the show they will have to move in to a smaller house with one bathroom.
In her letter to son Aaden, she apologizes for taking away his dad. “I do not possess the skills to father you,” she writes. “But I will do everything I can to show you the way.” And she even apologizes for ruining her once perfect family. Writing to son Collin, Kate cruelly implies that the 6 -year-old has a fear of abandonment — and that her split with Jon has hit him the hardest. “I will never leave you,” she writes to him. “I know that all the recent events in our family structure have greatly upset you, maybe you most of all. When I leave for work, I will always come back.” On page after page, Kate recounts in vivid detail each child’s suffering because of the divorce. However, Kate doesn’t seem concerned about how her kids will react to the book. “She’s back in diva mode,” an insider confirms to Life & Style. “She’s not the sweet, humble woman she’s been pretending to be.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/07/kate-gosselins-tell-all-b_n_528491.html”
PA Dutch Mom said... 1
See, that's the thing. According to InTouch, a "source" said the kids said that. We don't know who the "source" is so how can we know if the "source" is legit? Source has to be legit to be believed. MO of course. We can choose to believe the earth is flat.
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Okay, with respect I say this. When anyone comes in here with a story about Jon, *most* of the time you say...'that isn't true' or "this isn't true" or "Trust me, the kids didn't do...." whatever and add that you have real and personal knowledge of whatever situation it is. Why are we supposed to believe you? Other than familiar handles,we are strangers, we are all just sources of information. No one expects you to reveal your real name because you say you know Jon Gosselin personally or you know some or all of the kids ...you are 'just a source' too And frankly as in the tabloids, I take your comments with a grain of salt too. MO of course.
"We don't know who the "source" is so how can we know if the "source" is legit? Source has to be legit to be believed."
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I agree. MO too.
I second NOIP's comments, both #6 and #7. I want to add, also respectfully that even if PA actually knows Jon and/or the kids unless she asked Collin "Did your mom zip tie your hands" and he told her "No" she can't know for sure this didn't happen either.
I'm not sure if I believe the ziptie story but PA mom askes if wd believe the story "just because Kate is a horrible mother". Speaking only for myself yes, i do find it more believable that a mother who, per her own words and what we've seen on camera has abused her son, would ziptie him. As admin said, most press stories about this family have turned out to be at least partially true so I don't see why this wouldn't be as well.
Kate cruelly implies that the 6 -year-old has a fear of abandonment — and that her split with Jon has hit him the hardest. “I will never leave you,” she writes to him.
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"Mommy and Daddy will be together forever".
I won't leave you, but I'll disappear you.
RoxyHelen said... 8
Speaking only for myself yes, i do find it more believable that a mother who, per her own words and what we've seen on camera has abused her son, would ziptie him. As admin said, most press stories about this family have turned out to be at least partially true so I don't see why this wouldn't be as well.
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Ditto. The ziptie comment is just such an odd detail to come out of thin air. If it did come from one of the kids, how would they even know what a ziptie is unless they'd seen one in action?
Whenever I try to give TFW the benefit the doubt, I picture her grabbing that sweet toddler by the HAIR, hurling him into his crib, and beating him to the point she feared serious harm. Her. Own. Words.
Discovery can't screw up Food Network any more than it already is. There hasn't been a decent cooking show on in at least five years. It's all cooking competitions and Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives, and exotic trips by Giada DeLaurentiis.
There are a few decent shows on Cooking Channel. When it launched they moved all the older educational shows with hosts like Alton Brown, Mario Batali, Emeril, etc. to that channel, but over the last couple of years they seem to be doing much more simple shows around a celebrity actor/actress who is telling entertaining stories much more than they are cooking.
Basically the Food Network has morphed into the Travel Channel.
What I don't believe about Kate and what I could believe are both the same impossibly negative thoughts.
MikeB said... 12
Basically the Food Network has morphed into the Travel Channel.
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According to info in Robert's book, Khate had a travel show with large families on her wishlist. I wonder if anyone at TLC will take her calls?
MikeB (#11), on Fridays, Food Network airs 12 hours of Diners, Drive-in and Dives -- almost consecutively, except for one episode of something like Bizarre Foods in between. Even Guy Fieri's own mother probably wouldn't want to see that much of the guy!
OT: Hatteras Island and Ocracoke Island will get their electric service back SOON! It was last Thursday am that the underground power lines got hit accidentally, everyone from the company that caused the problem (PCL Construction) to the NC Governor has worked together to get this done and get the area back open to visitors.
From the Cape Hatteras Electric Cooperative facebook page:
"WEDNESDAY MORNING UPDATE. One solution chosen:
Cape Hatteras Electric Cooperative and contract crews have simultaneously pursued two options for restoring permanent transmission service to Hatteras and Ocracoke Islands, waiting for one solution to emerge as the fastest, safest way to restore reliable transmission service. That determination has been reached.
Overhead Solution: Constructing a new overhead transmission line from its underground point at the south end of the Bonner Bridge to the point where it meets the cooperative’s existing overhead transmission line is the most expedient way to restore transmission service to the islands. CHEC reached this determination in consultation with specialty contract crews including Lee Electrical Construction, an organization that specializes in high-voltage transmission line construction, and New River Electrical, which specializes in the highly complex processes of splicing and transitioning lines from underground to overhead.
Overhead Progress: Crews began installing the three-phase line last night. Concurrently, the specialist team from New River Electrical is executing prep work for creating the transition from underground to overhead just before the site of the damage and creating connections to the existing overhead lines that run the length of Hatteras Island.
Underground Situation: Despite PCL Construction’s tireless excavation efforts and attempts to dewater the trench at the site of the damage, trench conditions proved to be too challenging for the underground solution to be viable. PCL Construction was able to reveal all three cables, but water continued to seep into the trench making the environment unsuitable for repairs.
Timeframe: The restoration timeframe from this point forward is 3-5 days. This includes the time required for testing after all construction is complete and before transmission service can begin. CHEC is also working with Dare County officials to coordinate the safe return of visitors as soon as possible.
Thank You: There are many people, partners and businesses we would like to thank. We are very appreciative of the support of our members, visitors, contract crews and PCL Construction for leading the excavation."
Discovery can't screw up Food Network any more than it already is. There hasn't been a decent cooking show on in at least five years. It's all cooking competitions and Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives, and exotic trips by Giada DeLaurentiis.
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I enjoy Chopped. I've figured out that my chicken pot pie needs more textural elements; my Schnitz Und Knepp wants more harmony infusion and apple reduction; my chow-chow lacks acidity and Grandma's meatloaf cries out for more depth of flavor.
It's really amazing that, despite these shortcomings, everyone asks for seconds.
Hannah and Leah admitted on the couch that they all hate each other. In the landscaping episode ,when Kate had all those stones engraved, the twins had a fit about what was written. Then Kate made some comment that they would have kids when day and see what she goes through. Then Cara said that none of us will have kids because we all hate each other.". So sad
I think these kids will have a warped view of families are supposed to look like. Without grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, family friends, their father, coming and going in their lives. Everyone is considered expendable. Their mom alienated everyone in their lives. There may come a time when the kids reach a certain age and alienate Kate and the rest of their siblings as well. This is what they've been taught.
My parents would tell me growing up that family is everything and we should always stick together during good times and bad. Make peace not war with one another. Say a kind word to one another, not words of anger and hate. Sadly this is a foreign in Kate's world and she is sadly passing it onto the kids.
Discovery can't screw up Food Network any more than it already is. There hasn't been a decent cooking show on in at least five years. It's all cooking competitions and Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives, and exotic trips by Giada DeLaurentiis.
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Their prime time offerings are reality shows for food.
Some of the shows are okay, but frankly, I really get bored with shows showing how you can mix peanut butter, pickled carrots and chicken pot pie and make something amazing.
I do miss the more tutorial-type shows.
For decent cooking shows, look to PBS.
Speaking only for myself yes, i do find it more believable that a mother who, per her own words and what we've seen on camera has abused her son, would ziptie him. As admin said, most press stories about this family have turned out to be at least partially true so I don't see why this wouldn't be as well.
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So you're saying that this story may be partially true. If so, which part?
I really get bored with shows showing how you can mix peanut butter, pickled carrots and chicken pot pie and make something amazing.
lol! That's probably what's wrong with my glazed salmon. I forgot to include the peanut butter!
Ditto. The ziptie comment is just such an odd detail to come out of thin air. If it did come from one of the kids, how would they even know what a ziptie is unless they'd seen one in action?
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My kids know what a ziptie is, and they've never seen one in action, thank goodness!
Whenever I try to give TFW the benefit the doubt, I picture her grabbing that sweet toddler by the HAIR, hurling him into his crib, and beating him to the point she feared serious harm. Her. Own. Words.
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I have no doubt that this happened because it's in her own words in Robert's book. I do question, however, the zip tying because I wonder if we can really trust anonymous outside sources. Kate also said that she sometimes finds it hard to love Collin (her words), but for actually hating him, I don't recall that she said that, not in a book or in her journal.
I sometimes wonder if the reason she has been so harsh with Collin is because he's the one who looks the most like Jon. Just a wild theory on my part.
Ditto. The ziptie comment is just such an odd detail to come out of thin air. If it did come from one of the kids, how would they even know what a ziptie is unless they'd seen one in action?
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I use zip ties around the house all the time. They're good for bundling cords, attaching bird netting to PVC piping over your garden, etc. I have never used it to zip tie anyone though......
Funny, because I think Joel looks like Jon the most! He has grown up to be a strapping adolescent, and is no longer the little boy who was the smallest tup , whose breathing annoyed Kate and who was banished to the laundry room for being vomitous. I think Collin does not look much like Jon. But we all have our own opinions on that. I don't see any of the girls looking like Kate or Jon, really. Maybe Hannah resembles her dad a bit.
Oh- forgot to mention re: the ski/spa episode that Joel said he would be teased at school for having a facial. This means that although the show is old news, the kids are harassed about what goes on the air, so people are still watching, even their peers. Wonder how much hassle they took over the years.
I don't think loving mothers would tell a child that sometimes they find it hard to love a child. They might say something along the lines of 'while I do love you, sometimes I find it hard to like you' because of how you have misbehaved.
bm
With regard to sources...I do believe what PA Dutch Mom posts here. She has been posting a long time and has always been consistent with what she posts. Even though I don't know her, I don't question what she says.
capecodmama said... 28
Including the "Flat earth" comment? I know, I know...couldn't resist. j/k
bm (#27), and not only did she tell her son such a negative thing, she shared her feelings with the world by putting them in that book. Her M.O. was quite clear -- she wanted sympathy for what she thought she'd endured. But in doing so, she revealed much more about herself.
capecodmama said... 28
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I agree. I like PA Dutch Mom's posts and it's good to get a more local perspective. There were a few more locals in recent years, as well.Must be hard to button their lips on some inside info if they have any! I respect their integrity.
In my honest opinion, I think it might be because Collin looks the most like Kate. None of the girls exactly resemble her and neither do the other two boys. I always thought Collin had Kate's eyes and nose.
-LA
capecodmama said... 28
With regard to sources...I do believe what PA Dutch Mom posts here. She has been posting a long time and has always been consistent with what she posts. Even though I don't know her, I don't question what she says.
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Agree. I'm a long time poster and have never questioned any of her comments on the Gosselins.
Thanks, Capecod, Duped and NJ. I haven't read all of the comments. Am I under fire for something? It wouldn't be the first time! I've had to secure my lip button quite often, as well as bite my tongue.
OT for locals. Billy in Philly on Sept. 9.
PA Dutch Mom - I'd just like to add my voice to what others have said. I have never doubted anything you have said; I admire and trust your discretion in what, for you particularly, is a sensitive subject.
bm
I recently read George H. Bush's biography, written by George W. Bush. Good read, especially about World War 2, the death of his daughter from cancer when she was a tot, and the things he has shared with his son about those traumas. In it W. talks lovingly of what a great dad his father is, and how he has modeled his own parenting of the twins after his dad. Much like the Obamas, by all account the Bushes are all great parents.
Bush Jr. made his fair share of mistakes as a young man, and he remembers his father sitting him down when they needed to talk about something he did wrong, and saying to him, son, I know how hard you are trying to get me not to love you, but that's never going to change. I love you as much as I always have and more, so quit trying. Bush Jr. says when his own twins made poor choices, he would tell them the same thing.
A difficult child can be difficult to parent, but they should not be difficult to LOVE.
Collin has the most resemblance to Jon, just MO!
I too have always believed PA Dutch Mom, but she still is an "anonymous source." I think that's all ththe person was pointing out.
I do question how she can know any more about the truth about the zip ties than any other anonymous source quoted though.
I always took PA Dutch Mom to be a local meaning someone local to Kate's area and possibly a friend of someone close to the gosselin circle, or possibly she has kids in the same school, but doesn't know Kate in a very personal manner. Such as not in Kate's inner circle.
I mean you really have to be more than just a "local" to know about the zip ties. You have to be in the thick of the Gosselin drama to know whether or not Kate used zip ties on someone inside her home.
I do question how she can know any more about the truth about the zip ties than any other anonymous source quoted though.
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No one really knows except the people who were actually there. Lord knows people have denied doing bad things to their children before. It's actually very common for neighbors, friends and family members to be shocked a parent is being accused of abuse, and take up for them, saying they've known them X number of years and that just never would have happened.
At the end of the day these kids will know what really did and did not happen to them, and it will be their story to share or not share.
Okay, Okay, Okay....one more thought from me and I promise to shut up about 'sources' and their credibility or lack thereof.
Below is a prime example of what I was saying about everyone here being strangers to each other and yet believing what they say vs tabloids, except, Dutch never says anything...she infers that she knows something.
".. It wouldn't be the first time! I've had to secure my lip button quite often, as well as bite my tongue."
I don't want to appear mean or augmentative, I just want to try to explain my feelings on 'sources' Dutch just happens to be a prime example at least to me. No need for the Cavalry to surround the wagons. I surrender.
P.S I'd make a good jurist, I think.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2017/08/01/they-trashed-their-wedding-photographer-over-a-125-fee-so-a-jury-told-them-to-pay-her-1-million/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.397b7d182e67
Here's a gal who was being defamed left and right, and decided to just quietly sue, showing emails as proof.
She won.
It's really not that hard to sue when the people doing the defaming are LYING. Go for it, Kate.
To Cats in the Cradle
Their child arrived just the other day
He came into the world in the unusual way
He was part of a group, part of a pack
Due to the master plan, cameras in his space
Had to quickly earn money at his mother's pace
But before he knew he was getting beat and as soon as he grew,
He'd say, I'm NOT going to be like Mom, Dad
You know I'm gonna be like you Dad
Going to be like you
And the dogs in the cradle with golden platters
Dad's little boy blue beat up to the moon
When you coming home Dad?
I don't know when
But we'll get together then
You know we'll have a good time then
Child turned 10 just the other day
He said, thanks for the birthday party, Mom
Come on, lets play
Can you teach me to throw, I said, Not today.
I got a lot of book tours with Steve, I can't find the time. He said that's ok.
As he walked away, but his smiled never dimmed
Said, I'm going to be like dad, yeah,
You know I'm gonna be like dad
Son came home from "college" the other day
So much like a man I just had to say
Son, I Just Want You To Know
Can you sit for a while
He shook his head and said with a smile
What I would really like Mom is to get the car keys
Paid for by me and my sibs, can I have them please?
And the dogs in the cradle and the golden platter
Dad's little boy blue beat up to the moon
When you coming home Dad?
I don't know when
But we'll get together then
You know we'll have a good time then
20 year TLC cancellation has passed
My son moved far and further away
Called him up just the other day
I'd like to see you if you don't mind
He said, Mom, I just can't find the time
You see my new mediocre job is a hassle and the kids have the flu
All in warm beds eating chicken stew
But it sure is talking to you Mom
Sure nice talking to you
As I slam down the pink iPhone
It occurred to me
He had grown up just like me
Yeah, he grew up just like me
Anonymous said... 27
I don't think loving mothers would tell a child that sometimes they find it hard to love a child. They might say something along the lines of 'while I do love you, sometimes I find it hard to like you' because of how you have misbehaved.
bm
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When I think back about my dear mother, one of the things that I so appreciate about her was her ability to hold her tongue.
Oh, she could have said so many things in the moment but she thought the better part of valor, and not being selfish, was to remain silent, many times, so that she could live with just a little less regret.
I KNOW I was hard to love sometimes, growing up, becoming a teen, mouthing off etc.
My mother never, ever said anything close to what Kate has said to and said about her kids.
Knowing I was loved and wanted was a constant in my life.
I NEVER was made to feel that I was a burden.
PA Dutch Mom said... 34
Thanks, Capecod, Duped and NJ. I haven't read all of the comments. Am I under fire for something? It wouldn't be the first time! I've had to secure my lip button quite often, as well as bite my tongue.
OT for locals. Billy in Philly on Sept. 9.
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100% support from this long, loooooong time poster!
Billy in Philly, huh?
Hmmm.....this is a possibility.
Bush Jr. made his fair share of mistakes as a young man, and he remembers his father sitting him down when they needed to talk about something he did wrong, and saying to him, son, I know how hard you are trying to get me not to love you, but that's never going to change. I love you as much as I always have and more, so quit trying.
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Like, love or hate our former Pres. Bush(es), I think their family is amazing. They are so close and have such love and humor.
The Obamas seem like great parents, too. Both families weathered the White House years with grace.
It's really not that hard to sue when the people doing the defaming are LYING. Go for it, Kate.
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Bridezilla!
I hope these losers put away enough money for their divorce lawyers, because I give them 2 years, max.
Oh, Kate is so going to get Cats in the Cradled.
Asking to go back to the dog pics. Sheesh.
miloandjack2016 Hey @kateplusmy8 ....it's been 3 wks since we last saw pic w/you & #Nanuq. All your puppydogs doing ok? ❤❤❤
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 39
At the end of the day these kids will know what really did and did not happen to them, and it will be their story to share or not share.
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I'm not sure they will. The process of "making memories" for them has been so manipulated. Will they be able to trust anything recalled that's not part of the TLC-approved version?
I don't remember...did TFW post her traditional (*snort*) back-to-school picture of the 7 kids last year?
Only 14 months until M and C are 18. Will one hang around, and the other run and never look back?
Talk about biting the hand that feeds. Dirty Jesus of Duggar fame tweeted this out yesterday:
Derick Dillard @derick4Him
Derick Dillard Retweeted TLC Network
What an oxymoron... a "reality" show which follows a non-reality. "Transgender" is a myth. Gender is not fluid; it's ordained by God.
He was RT'ing a TLC Twitter promo for I Am Jazz. I can't imagine the network appreciates this; I guess we'll have to wait and see if they have any official reaction.
Well, I guess TFW has been gone from IG for too long and Gladys is going into withdrawals....
miloandjack2016 Hey @kateplusmy8....it's be 3 wks since we last saw pic 2/you & #Nanuq. All your puppydogs doing ok?
TLC's FB page is blowing up with anti-Duggar outrage. Wonder if they will have an official response. Here's just one well-articulated example.
XXXXX to TLC
"As a senior national media marketing strategist I am aghast at the comments made by Derick Dillard of Counting On regarding Jazz. It is both abhorrent and deplorable that he would choose to "voice" what is clearly his stance on Jazz and her identity despite appearing in another TLC program. Jazz is a minor, a brave young lady who by virtue of sharing her journey has helped so many. She has now suffered bullying and contempt from Derick Dillard who clearly is voicing collectively as the Duggars do not acknowledge and in fact express that transgender = sick misfit with intent to harm (Michelle Duggar robocall). TLC it's time to re-evaluate, you are surreptitiously reintroducing The Duggars to Counting On and it has not gone unnoticed. How do you allow such bigotry and now bullying to continue. The Dillards are The Duggars, it's one and the same. This current attack on the validity of a minor, Jazz, is indicative of the recalcitrant and bigoted attitude of the Duggars and their respective associates. How do you allow this to go forward beyond today?"
Would love to see the self-righteous, hypocritical Duggars go down in flames over this. TLC is actually running an "anti-bullying" campaign/contest on their FB page at the moment, so the timing is especially noteworthy.
Sad but true (#51), wow, what a douchey tweet from Derick. Since he's interested in definitions, I'd like to ask him about the word "hypocrite." Which is a man with 2 kids and no job taking money from a TV network that supports values he directly opposes. Does he have the guts to keep that tweet up, or will Daddy Duggar make him take it down to save the family business?
This article seems to fairly accurately sum up the whole controversy:
http://www.inquisitr.com/4406849/duggar-family-news-derick-dillard-attacks-lgbt-community-in-a-new-tweet-says-transgender-is-a-myth/
Flimsy: I think she said the kids refused to pose but I may not remember correctly
Golly: That's sad but accurate. That song always brings tears to my eyes fro the many children who are in such situations. You hit the nail on the head with this re: Collin and siblings.
Wow, that tweet is going to cost the Duggars/Dillards. Jazz is a brave young lady and I have nothing but admiration and support for her and other TG youth.She is articulate, honest, funny and a role model. While I would not choose reality TV as her platform, her parents seem legitimately caring and supportive of her situation, for her, and to help other transgender young people.
Like, love or hate our former Pres. Bush(es), I think their family is amazing. They are so close and have such love and humor.
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Generation to generation, the family has been raised to put family first and to treat children like gold. Not a hair on anyone's head was ever harmed. Rather, they were given massive doses of love every time they screwed up.
Reading about Bush Sr.'s toddler daughter Robin, who died of cancer, which I knew about, but not the details, was tearjerking.
It was the 50's, and leukemia treatment was elementary, certainly in rural Texas. One doctor told them to just let her die. But, they flew her up to the best doctors in the Northeast, and got her treatment, and she lived for about a year. Bush Jr. describes how his parents never left her bedside. Sweet little Robin's dying words were to tell her dad how much she loved him. Life, all of it, was put on hold to try to save Robin. It was not a period of resentment for Bush Jr., but rather, of learning life lessons in what a family should do for one of its own.
And, the day they came home without Robin, they picked Bush Jr. up and school and told him the awful news. All he could remember was how crushed his parents looked.
He also talks about how his father was accused of never having been through anything difficult, and not identifying with the common man. Apparently Bush Sr. calmly replied, I've held my dying child in my arms. That was difficult.
You just never know what's inside someone's life story once you unpack it.
Formerly Duped (#56), ah, I think I remember that now. Truth is, unless People magazine is snapping the picture and paying up, TFW would rather not show her newly-configured family of 7 children.
"As a senior national media marketing strategist I am aghast at the comments made by Derick Dillard of Counting On regarding Jazz. It is both abhorrent and deplorable that he would choose to "voice" what is clearly his stance on Jazz and her identity despite appearing in another TLC program.
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What is his deal? She's a kid! I'm not asking him to support it, but it seems to me most people who want to label this group as just "confused" at least usually just feel sad for them, not pissed off.
Not to mention, how very unprofessional to go on some rant about your co-network star. You know what would be taking a real stand? Refuse to show your face on that network. He hates transgendered but for the right price, no problem.
It's really not that hard to sue when the people doing the defaming are LYING. Go for it, Kate.
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Very few celebrities sue, despite the fact that they are lied about constantly in the tabloid press. You must believe a whole lot of bullshit if you assume tablet stories are true if the person doesn't sue. Or does your insinuation that stories must be true if lawsuits aren't filed only applicable to Kate?
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It's not true that very few celebrities sue. A quick search of lexisnexus proves otherwise.
Many are settled.
miloandjack2016 Hey @kateplusmy8 ....it's been 3 wks since we last saw pic w/you & #Nanuq. All your puppydogs doing ok? ❤❤❤
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She really wants a pic of Kate, but she has to lure her in by pretending she wants a pic of the dogs.
Notice how she said pic of YOU and the dogs. Lol, she's so obvious.
He was RT'ing a TLC Twitter promo for I Am Jazz. I can't imagine the network appreciates this; I guess we'll have to wait and see if they have any official reaction.
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They're going to have to respond to this. HAVE TO.
One of the few good things TLC has done is stuck behind Jazz, been respectful of her and her story, and shared it in a meaningful way in the face of some opposition.
I don't think it's out of line to suggest that firing him is on the table. Fans of Jazz are going to call for it. Rubber meets the road on this one. When you say you're going to take a stand, that means going all the way, including cutting off idiots like that one.
When he says gender is ordained by God, does he see how that statement is not at all inconsistent with the transgendered community? Lol, idiot.
The Obamas seem like great parents, too. Both families weathered the White House years with grace.
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One other thing about their parenting techniques is that sometimes, Bush Sr. would not say anything when his son did something wrong. Junior would go up to his office expecting a tongue lashing. Senior would just look at him, then go back to his paper. Junior would have rather be horse whipped than endure that look.
Kate talks talks talks a LOT to her kids, lectures, gabbing, blahing. A good parent does not always need words to get the message across.
Is the Duggars for sure being renewed?
Something about this makes me wonder if something has gone down at TLC to make him go on some random rant about them. I wonder if they're not coming back anyway, so he's free to act pissed off.
Derick Dillard @derick4Him
Derick Dillard Retweeted TLC Network
What an oxymoron... a "reality" show which follows a non-reality. "Transgender" is a myth. Gender is not fluid; it's ordained by God.
He was RT'ing a TLC Twitter promo for I Am Jazz. I can't imagine the network appreciates this; I guess we'll have to wait and see if they have any official reaction.
^^^
I would love it if that bigoted fascist got his walking papers from TLC.
Is Derick the one who needs a shower? If he gets fired good maybe he'll finally find time to take one then.
I wonder if Derick ever directed any of that seething anger towards his heterosexual brother-in-law? You know, that straight guy who,forgive me, diddled Derick's wife when she was just a child?
The comments on Derick's tweet are scathing! There's a few fundies mixed in but most people are saying don't bite the hand that feeds you, not wise, and many tweeting TLC directly asking them to do something about this.
He's responding to a few comments, lol, dolt.
Ciera~ @cieraaquarius 11h11 hours ago
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Haha, just like the "reality" show about Godly people who molest their sisters & cheat on their wives. Oh wait....
I love the internet:
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your hateful rhetoric is ordained by god. If a baby is born deaf (ordained by god) and drs can restore hearing you would be against that?!
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Nikki @AYTYNikki 6h6 hours ago
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Exactly! Derick had jaw surgery recently. But wasn't his wonky jaw ordained by God? Why did he have to go get his God - given jaw fixed? 🤔🤔
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Clearly that jaw surgery must be the work of the devil since God wanted him to shut the hell up.
If Daddy Duggar forces Derick to apologize (c'mon, folks, there's money at stake here), it's still too late -- the toothpaste is out of the tube. Come and get yer popcorn!
Derick Dillard @derick4Him
Derick Dillard Retweeted TLC Network
What an oxymoron... a "reality" show which follows a non-reality. "Transgender" is a myth. Gender is not fluid; it's ordained by God.
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How about diddling your 5-year old sister? Is that ordained by God?
Hypocrite.
Gawd, I hope Dirty Jesus Duck Dynasties the whole Duggar clan.
I wonder if Derick ever directed any of that seething anger towards his heterosexual brother-in-law? You know, that straight guy who,forgive me, diddled Derick's wife when she was just a child?
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Some kid in south Florida who isn't hurting him or his family and just wants to be called "her" when that a-hole can only say "him" is very upsetting to him. But yeah, his own brother-in-law molesting Derick's wife? Meh.
I've always thought people who overreact to stuff like this are in the closet themselves.
“I want to be clear. I have nothing against him. I only have issues with the words and definitions being propagated here.”
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, Dirty Jesus. Hate the sin, not the sinner and all that. However, Jazz is female and transgender and you can't reel that back in, no matter how much TLC and Boob tell you that you must.
When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
We see you, DJ.
He also talks about how his father was accused of never having been through anything difficult, and not identifying with the common man. Apparently Bush Sr. calmly replied, I've held my dying child in my arms. That was difficult.
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The Bushes never forgot that little, precious girl. Their lives were affected and they have expressed their life-long sorrow over her loss.
Now, compare that to Kate.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 65
Is the Duggars for sure being renewed?
Something about this makes me wonder if something has gone down at TLC to make him go on some random rant about them. I wonder if they're not coming back anyway, so he's free to act pissed off.
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Admin, when I watched the Counting On finale, there was an announcement at the end that Counting On had been renewed for a 3rd season which was to start in September. Don't remember the exact date.
Will the steam coming out of Daddy Duggar's ears dissolve the hairspray and make his hair wilt?
Tucker's Mom (#75), I have a feeling ol' Missionary McGee is going to have his a** handed to him by his dear father-in-law by nightfall.
This is a huge misstep.
Well, I guess TFW has been gone from IG for too long and Gladys is going into withdrawals....
miloandjack2016 Hey @kateplusmy8....it's be 3 wks since we last saw pic 2/you & #Nanuq. All your puppydogs doing ok?
Something's up. She's been really quiet. Wonder what she has up her sleeve?
Poor Milo though. She thinks Kate is her BFF. But Kate clearly isn't communicating with her "in other ways" if she needs to post on IG to get her attention.
miloandjack2016 Hey @kateplusmy8 ....it's been 3 wks since we last saw pic w/you & #Nanuq. All your puppydogs doing ok? ❤❤❤
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She keeps track of this? Marks it on her calendar as to the day and time? I wonder if she has a little Advent type calendar in her bedroom and opens a window each time Kate posts a picture of herself.
Gladys loves windows!
Yowza.
http://thedailyheadline.news/2017/08/03/derick-dillard-slams-trans-tlc-star-transgender-is-a-myth/
FlimsyFlamsy said... 80
Tucker's Mom (#75), I have a feeling ol' Missionary McGee is going to have his a** handed to him by his dear father-in-law by nightfall.
This is a huge misstep.
******
Big mistake.
Huge.
Will the steam coming out of Daddy Duggar's ears dissolve the hairspray and make his hair wilt?
^^^^
DJ is gonna get Duggar whipped!
Would love to see the self-righteous, hypocritical Duggars go down in flames over this. TLC is actually running an "anti-bullying" campaign/contest on their FB page at the moment, so the timing is especially noteworthy.
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I wonder if TFW is dancing a jig right now anticipating that the Duggsrs will be cancelled and getting ready to tweet/post how much she supports the transgender community and how they, as a family, watch I Am Jazz all the time. She is an opportunist.
I heard on an entertainment mess show that Discovery is going to show their first dramatic mini series, about the hunt for the Unabomber. And saw it mentioned in some magazine that TLC is bringing Trading Spaces back with the original host. Maybe changes coming and it won't be umpteen kids and their unemployed parents anymore.
A&E canned Phil Robertson for doing exactly what Dillard did.
"“Duck Dynasty” star Phil Robertson has been placed on indefinite hiatus from the reality program following his controversial remarks in GQ magazine regarding homosexuality. While the cast member has not officially been fired, he will not be filming with the show moving forward.
A+E Networks, parent company of A&E, has released the following statement to Variety:
“We are extremely disappointed to have read Phil Robertson’s comments in GQ, which are based on his own personal beliefs and are not reflected in the series Duck Dynasty. His personal views in no way reflect those of A+E Networks, who have always been strong supporters and champions of the LGBT community.”
As noted in a previous Variety article, Robertson discusses in his GQ interview his religious beliefs and about sin, saying, “start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men.” Then, the GQ writer paraphrases Corinthians saying, “don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers — they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”
http://variety.com/2013/tv/news/duck-dynasty-ae-suspends-phil-robertson-following-gay-remarks-1200974473/
Below is a prime example of what I was saying about everyone here being strangers to each other and yet believing what they say vs tabloids, except, Dutch never says anything...she infers that she knows something.
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That's not true. She has said a few times that she has known Jon (I think since the twins were in first or second grade) and that Jon was always the one who took an active interest in their school events, accompanied them on trips, and so forth...among other things relating to the family that aren't personal, just to clarify things, such as calling Kate out on her exaggerations (like losing all of her trees in a storm).
I'd say that over the years PA Dutch has said quite a few things regarding this family without invading their privacy or spilling the beans about something that's best left unsaid. It certainly is preferable to spreading rumors put out as being facts without being confirmed as such.
I don't follow the Duggars on TV and am only familiar with the family from what I've read on this blog. However, I did read a couple of weeks ago an article (I can't remember where) that Derick and his wife were refused/rejected by a Mission Board when they applied to do missionary work because they did not have the necessary education/credentials.
What was even more interesting is that Derick has a degree in 'accounting' (of all things) and the couple were criticized for soliciting funds to finance their missionary work.
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What a fine Christian role model Derick is for his 2 young sons: choosing to bully a young girl who has already suffered immense psychological pain. Such a wonderful example of compassion, kindness and tolerance.
Better make that DONATE button on your website a bit bigger, Derick. Those TLC checks could disappear at the drop of a hat. Just ask your brother-in-law Josh.
Poor Milo though. She thinks Kate is her BFF. But Kate clearly isn't communicating with her "in other ways" if she needs to post on IG to get her attention.
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It's communicatin' in other ways, but I think somewhere Gladys found her "g's" (or g spot) and is proud of it!
And he'll have fun, fun, fun till his Daddy takes the Twitter away!
You'd think with a 2-year-old, a newborn, and a wife recuperating from a C-section, Derick would have better things to do with his time than pick a fight with a minor. I guess his sisters-in-law have been dispatched to take care of the household, leaving him plenty of time to pontificate.
Derick is the lead story on Radar. This is not going to go away.
What a fine Christian role model Derick is for his 2 young sons: choosing to bully a young girl who has already suffered immense psychological pain. Such a wonderful example of compassion, kindness and tolerance.
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That's the sick part about this is that even if you assume it's not a biological thing or whatever he's implying, can't he see the pain this child has been through? Where is his compassion?
Admin (84): "And he'll have fun, fun, fun till his Daddy takes the Twitter away!"
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LOL!! I think his "fun is all through now!" and he "shouldn't have tweeted now, he shouldn't have tweeted!"
Sad but true said... 48
Asking to go back to the dog pics. Sheesh.
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Well, you know that's a priority in Milo's life. Nothing matters as much as Kate and those puppydogs, and well, her inspirational inane platitudes.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 95
Derick is the lead story on Radar. This is not going to go away.
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Oh, it's everywhere now, I just read the pieces posted on E! and the Daily Mail, both of which are gathering hundreds of comments. Now let's go see whether People mag's got anything to say about it.
Although i find Derick's comments both hypocritical and ignorant,i am however sadden how people here can call Jazz "brave" and respect the parents when they are doing the exact same thing Kate is doing(using their child to be famous),even worse is how they're feeding into their child's mental disorder.Yes people gender dysphoria is classify as a mental disorder the same way body dysphoria is classified as a mental disorder.The problem with today's world,one is celebrated and is pushed to be accepted as normal whereas the other one gets treatment and the person is considered crazy.Apparently saying you want to cut off your finger is different then cutting off your penis.Even worse is how they're exploiting a disorder that has over 40% suicide rate and even higher for those who've attempted to.Also here's a comment by someone who has a brother who's a surgeon "My brother is a surgeon, he tells me all sex change surgeries are basically failures. It's not fucking possible, you get unfunctional pieces of skin, scars, and life long pain. They mold the skin to make a dick, which will never be a dick, they only inflate it with a pump, there's pain involved, and no sexual pleasure. There's no testicles, no sex drive. Likewise, a hole into your pelvis is just that, a hole, with scarred tissue around it, if you're lucky. It may never heal, most of the time. We live in strange times".Also if you want to see what a psychiatrist thinks of all this http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/johns-hopkins-psychiatrist-transgendered-men-dont-become-women-they-become
That's the sick part about this is that even if you assume it's not a biological thing or whatever he's implying, can't he see the pain this child has been through? Where is his compassion?
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They only have compassion for people that are like them. That's my biggest problem with extreme christians. They never see the hypocrisy of what they pontificate about that is "right" vs what they are opposed to.
Anonymous said... 90
I don't follow the Duggars on TV and am only familiar with the family from what I've read on this blog. However, I did read a couple of weeks ago an article (I can't remember where) that Derick and his wife were refused/rejected by a Mission Board when they applied to do missionary work because they did not have the necessary education/credentials.
What was even more interesting is that Derick has a degree in 'accounting' (of all things) and the couple were criticized for soliciting funds to finance their missionary work.
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Maybe on the site below? Wonder if he regrets resigning from his Walmart job in order to pursue the reality life now?
http://www.inquisitr.com/2473939/jill-duggar-and-derick-dillard-rejected-as-missionaries-by-southern-baptist-church/
FlimsyFlamsy said (95)
Derick is the lead story on Radar. This is not going to go away.
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I guess this means that he will be so busy trying to defend himself that he won't have time for a shower or a good scrub-down. He always looks dirty.
Here's the thing. No matter what he thinks about transgendering, he shouldn't have made any comments and kept his mouth shut. There was no reason for that, unless it was done for publicity purposes. You don't bite the hand that feeds you. It will be interesting to see if TLC looks the other way and hopes it goes away, or if they make a statement about this.
"I'd say that over the years PA Dutch has said quite a few things regarding this family without invading their privacy or spilling the beans about something that's best left unsaid. It certainly is preferable to spreading rumors put out as being facts without being confirmed as such."
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Absolutely, and Dutch Mom has also refused to "set the record straight," saying that it's Jon's business to do so if and when he chooses to address an issue. That speaks volumes.
Well, People seems to have decided to ignore the whole Dullard controversy. If it wasn't 100% clear before, it is now: They are in TLC's pocket.
Jon is being thorn to pieces by the sheeple on the latest photo of the two boys, on instagram. I know I have criticized him(and I stand by it) but the things they are saying are insane.
I also want to clarify that I don't think PA mom has lied, my point was that unless she was in the house with the kids there are things she can't know for sure any more than we can. For God's sake if Jon couldn't see his son for a year and a half and is kept in the dark about so many things, how would PA Dutch mom know better? It makes zero sense.
Jamesvader1194 said... 100
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You have some information that is not correct.Transgender surgery uses at least a large portion of original sensitive genital tissue. Why not try to improve quality of life for these people with TG 'mental illness?' I do think Jazz is brave for opening herself to criticism for her issues in trying to educate others, and help TG kids by dong this show. I do not agree with her having a reality show but she has done plenty of fundraisers and public speaking as well.Frankly your post was offensive
and erroneous.
NJGal51 said... 86
Would love to see the self-righteous, hypocritical Duggars go down in flames over this. TLC is actually running an "anti-bullying" campaign/contest on their FB page at the moment, so the timing is especially noteworthy.
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I wonder if TFW is dancing a jig right now anticipating that the Duggsrs will be cancelled and getting ready to tweet/post how much she supports the transgender community and how they, as a family, watch I Am Jazz all the time. She is an opportunist.
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She's been awfully quiet. I'm sure she danced her jig and is calling TLC to pitch the travel show she's always wanted. She's seen the European trips all the newlyweds have gotten and I'm sure she feels she deserves them more.
I'm amazed that Dirty Jesus' twit has not been deleted. Makes me wonder if JimBoob and TLC will try to ride out this latest scandal. Wasn't it JimBoob who said something to the effect of publicity just increases their ratings?
Could it be that TLC has either told JimBoob or JimBoob himself decided not to say anything about Derick's tweet since he and Babykins famously deleted pictures of kissing gay couples from their FB page?
I stand corrected. People finally posted a story at 2:36 p.m. EDT, many hours after other outlets. Still no comment from TLC. Cowards.
Formerly Duped, I don't think Jamesvader1194's post is erroneous at all. Are the studies that show suicide rate is unchanged in people who go through surgery vs those who don't wrong? Or the ones that show most kids regret having had the surgery? GID is just what the name says, a Disorder. They are killing themselves because they are mentally unwell. I don't think there is a cure and I think we should treat them same as everyone else but the sterilizing hormones given to kids need to stop. Yesterday. Especially since it seems part of these kids don't even have GID and outgrow their feelings.
What in the world did I do now? Am I in trouble? I never said that I know where Collin is, or that Jon knows where he is or that I know everything that goes on in the house. I remember saying something about it being possible that he may now know. Geez.
Maybe it's time I take a break, stock up on the Rumspringa and retreat to Joy's veranda for awhile.
NJGal51 said... 86
Would love to see the self-righteous, hypocritical Duggars go down in flames over this. TLC is actually running an "anti-bullying" campaign/contest on their FB page at the moment, so the timing is especially noteworthy.
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They survived a pedophilia scandal. They are still on air, still making money. Pretty sure they'll survive this, easily.
Sad but true said... 106
Well, People seems to have decided to ignore the whole Dullard controversy. If it wasn't 100% clear before, it is now: They are in TLC's pocket.
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The People-Duggar unholy alliance is strong.
Well, you know that's a priority in Milo's life. Nothing matters as much as Kate and those puppydogs, and well, her inspirational inane platitudes.
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The ones with the pink noses? Sorry, couldn't help it.
This whole Dirty Jesus/Jazz thing just underscores how provincial and uneducated the Duggars are.
TLC has sent them all over the world, and like Kate, they simply don't evolve at all. They just go back to their little yokel selves and seemingly willfully reject any education that travel and exposure can bring.
Wouldn't it be something if a Duggar other than Josh tanked their show with TLC?
"I think we should treat them same as everyone else but the sterilizing hormones given to kids need to stop."
Normally the kids are not given hormones until they are adults. The children get a hormone blocker which will delay puberty. This gives everyone time to figure out what path to take to keep the child safe. They have to go to a lot of counseling before they are given hormones.
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria
A good article, from the American Psychiatric Association
They survived a pedophilia scandal. They are still on air, still making money. Pretty sure they'll survive this, easily.
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They're like cock roaches!
But, I'm not so sure. DJ just attacked one of their biggest talent and based on history, people don't fare well after attacking the LGBTQ community.
Duck Dynasty was at it's zenith with millions and millions of viewer, practically printing money, and A&E dropped the show.
PA Dutch Mom said... 114
I was only referring to your statement that the ziptie incident did not happen. You stated it as fact and frankly, acted a bit as if we're morons for even considering this could be true. I'm sorry if you feel I'm attacking you, I am not. I am just responding to your statements. Fact is, unless you spoke to Collin or were in the room with him, you can't know anymore than we can whether it happened or not. That is all. As admin says, in the end only the kids will know for sure (not even Jon sadly) what did and didn't happen.
PA Dutch Mom said... 114
Look, it's really not a big deal. You stated quite firmly at the time that the zip-tying was being discussed that it was not true. I asked how you could know that; for me, the specificity of the allegation makes it more believable. You didn't really reply to that question. Some others subsequently followed it up. I don't think anyone's angry or offended.
I guess I remain where I started, unsure how you could be so certain that this is not true, or whether it is just your opinion that it is not true. But I don't need to know. It won't change my enjoyment of your participation here.
The ones with the pink noses? Sorry, couldn't help it.
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LOL! I just snorted coffee through my nose!
I believe there are a lot of factors that go into someone committing suicide. I don't believe in perpetuating the stereotype of being transgender makes someone more likely to succumb to that act. I'm not a doctor, but I would think that possibly years of having to be someone you're not, feeds into anxiety and depression.
Everyone's brain is different, and their reactions to life events will differ. That's what makes us all unique.
Jamesvader1194 said... 100
I have to respectfully disagree. Being transgender is not a mental illness (they used to say the same thing about being gay). And not all transgenders have surgery or use hormones - they simply live as the sex they identify with. Again, you are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. I just find it very distasteful that a grown man picks a fight with a teenager. Dirty Jesus (love that) is also entitled to his opinion but why blast that over the Internet and slam the company that is putting food on your table? It just doesn't make sense to me. And I don't think Kate and Jazz's parents are doing the same thing - Jazz's parents work for a living and do not rely on TLC for a paycheck.
People posted the Derick article on their FB page ONE hour ago, and it's already got close to 700 comments. One way or the other, TLC's gotta be liking those numbers.
You stated it as fact and frankly, acted a bit as if we're morons for even considering this could be true.
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PA has never acted, nor suggested, nor implied that anyone here was or is a moron, and I've been reading here for a long time, but I guess everyone is free to interpret posts any way they want.
Speaking of suicide. Very interesting sentence imposed on the gal who convinced her boyfriend to commit suicide. There was a bench trial, she was sentenced today to 2 1/2 years in prison, but the judge granted a stay because the appeals process will no doubt take longer than that. MA doesn't have a law against assisted suicide, and defense argued that it was a matter of free speech. She went home rather than off the jail.
People actually HAS picked up Derick's story!
http://people.com/tv/derick-dillard-under-fire-jazz-jennings-transphobia-tlc/
Some others subsequently followed it up. I don't think anyone's angry or offended.
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Um, yes, the poster (123) commented that I acted as if everyone was a moron. Oh, my gosh. I would never do that, and I humbly apologize if anyone felt that way. I am so very sorry.
I think that maybe it's time to take a step back because I don't want to offend anyone. I will, however, let you know if Kate's had her pink-nosed puppies re-inflated!
Carry on!
Did anyone else feel Kate was only mentioning C because someone reminded her that she needs to mention him?
Dirty Jesus (love that) is also entitled to his opinion but why blast that over the Internet and slam the company that is putting food on your table? It just doesn't make sense to me
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Dirty Jesus is and angry Jesus ;-)
These fundies get personally offended by so many things...LGBTQ people, Catholics...
Ruthie said... 132
Did anyone else feel Kate was only mentioning C because someone reminded her that she needs to mention him?
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No doubt in my mind. Kate has washed her hands of Collin, as she does everyone she's done with.
Um, yes, the poster (123) commented that I acted as if everyone was a moron. Oh, my gosh. I would never do that, and I humbly apologize if anyone felt that way. I am so very sorry.
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You've never come across as disrespectful, imo.
Why wouldn't Derick feel emboldened to tweet this? His countrie's President says stupider things every day. Recently he said those things about the transgendered population.
@Formly Duped Im sorry if my post offended you.Im not treating Jazz as less human as any person who doesn't have GID.But there was a study which did state that the suicide is even higher even after surgery.Yes there are some transgender who do regret the surgery,you can see a post here on a transgender sub reddit where they stated this http://i.imgur.com/Gui3Mdy.png There is even this one transsexual by the name of April Ashley that said this quoted:
“For me it was clear-cut. When the doctors in the loony bin told me, ‘Go away and be gay,’ I said, ‘I’m not a homosexual. I want to be a woman.’ But some people do get confused. I have known quite a few who committed suicide after the operation because they realized they’d made a terrible mistake."@RoxyHelen According to this one article over 75 to 95 percent of kids who are gender confused eventually accept their biological sex as they get older.See this article by a pediatrician http://dailysignal.com/2017/07/03/im-pediatrician-transgender-ideology-infiltrated-field-produced-large-scale-child-abuse/
http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/jill-duggars-husband-derick-dillard-slammed-for-transphobic-tweet-w495862
TLC tells Us Weekly, "Derick Dillard's personal statement does not represent the views of TLC."
PA Dutch: Take a breakif you feel the need, but please come back! We love you and your posts. You're one of the local posters who has stayed on this board a long time and put up with a lot of flack sometimes. Also as I said it must be hard to know certain things but not be able to share them.
I think that maybe it's time to take a step back because I don't want to offend anyone. I will, however, let you know if Kate's had her pink-nosed puppies re-inflated!
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Don't stake a step back because most of us enjoy your posts.
I'm trying to remember the name of the soap that my grandparents used. All I can think of is Lifebuoy. I think that Derick needs a good washing with that. Or was it Borax?
PA Dutch Mom...Don't be gone too long. Always love your posts.
I was at the drs. today and was reading the latest People magazine. There was a small blurb in there about the tips 13th bday party episode. They apparently didn't contact Kate directly for the article as they quoted her from "her recent Kate Plus 8 special".
TLC tells Us Weekly, "Derick Dillard's personal statement does not represent the views of TLC."
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That's it?
Ugh...
Rainbowsandunicorns said... 141
I'm trying to remember the name of the soap that my grandparents used. All I can think of is Lifebuoy. I think that Derick needs a good washing with that. Or was it Borax?
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Dirty Jesus needs a Silkwood shower
I'm trying to remember the name of the soap that my grandparents used. All I can think of is Lifebuoy. I think that Derick needs a good washing with that. Or was it Borax?
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Mind used gritty Lava. Do they still make that?
ncgirl said... 138
TLC tells Us Weekly, "Derick Dillard's personal statement does not represent the views of TLC."
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Your classic non-comment comment. Only slightly better than nothing. Again, cowards.
Long time reader and poster...I also will be taking a sabbatical. I'm not a fan of the comments or the direction these comments have been going lately. Adios
I'm guessing K8's not at home. Maybe off getting something lifted, maybe trying to talk someone into giving her some TV time. And I suspect the reason #Nunu hasn't appeared in color in any of her recent pics is that she's still visibly pink due to K8's ridiculous decision to dye her for that episode.
PA Dutch Mom - please reconsider that 'step back'. The blog wouldn't be the same without your thoughtful, restrained input.
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LOL. TLC posted this statement on their FB page hours ago:
"It’s important for us to let our viewers know that Derick Dillard’s personal statement does not represent the views of TLC."
I'm sure that took the entire day and probably dozens of people to produce. A**holes.
And Jazz finally said something.
http://people.com/tv/jazz-jennings-responds-derick-dillard-comments/?utm_campaign=peoplemag&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag
OT:Great news! The electric power to Hatteras Island and Ocracoke Island has been restored, thanks to a heroic effort from the electric co-op and partners. Amazing that this had been restored in one week. The repair involved putting up new poles and transmission lines and connecting to the transmission lines coming off the Bonner Bridge. And the company that caused the damage in the first place will have a procedure for residents and vacationers to file a loss claim form.
Now - hurricanes stay away!
TLC tells Us Weekly, "Derick Dillard's personal statement does not represent the views of TLC."
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When the G kids sue TLC, they will put out basically the same thing.
TLC tells US Weekly, Kate Gosselin's personal, abdominal behavior over the past decade filming Kate Plus 8 (including kicking son Collin to the curb 2 yrs. ago) does not represent the views of TLC.
JoyinVirginia - have you ever been onto Oak Island? I'm going to a wedding there in early October.
I don't think that Derick is the sharpest tool in the shed. If he were, he would have sat on his twitter fingers and thought about how his comments would be received. I hope he's not planning on doing any backpedaling. It's a little too late for that.
Fired Up 4 Kate @MiloandJack 6m6 minutes ago
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Something to remember...just going to leave this here. #LifeChallenges. @Kateplusmy8
Gladys is pulling out the platitudes. Read here much, Milo?
She (or he) is so predictable!
herry Baby said... 155
I don't think that Derick is the sharpest tool in the shed. If he were, he would have sat on his twitter fingers and thought about how his comments would be received. I hope he's not planning on doing any backpedaling. It's a little too late for that.
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I guess he was never taught to type it and delete it. It's a life lesson everyone should know.
PA Dutch Mom, I wish I could buy you a rumspringa or two.
It has to be so difficult to be so near and then to read all the speculation and not to share information that has no need to be broadcast.
You have been here a long time. I have never thought that you were flexing the muscles of exaggeration or pretending to be anything other than a local with some information unavailable to the rest of us.
Take a break if you wish -- but stay with us in spirit and pop back someday to let us know that you are OK.
TLC tells US Weekly, Kate Gosselin's personal, abdominal behavior over the past decade filming Kate Plus 8 (including kicking son Collin to the curb 2 yrs. ago) does not represent the views of TLC.
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Does she have gastrointestinal problems?
I heard on an entertainment mess show that Discovery is going to show their first dramatic mini series, about the hunt for the Unabomber.
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Hm, I'll keep an open mind on that one. I usually love true crime dramatizations.
TLC tells Us Weekly, "Derick Dillard's personal statement does not represent the views of TLC."
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Your classic non-comment comment. Only slightly better than nothing. Again, cowards.
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That not enough, TLC. Not enough at all. Of course it doesn't represent YOUR views, I should hope not, but the guy is on YOUR payroll and harassing somebody ELSE on your payroll, a child no less. What are you going to do about it?
mething.
http://people.com/tv/jazz-jennings-responds-derick-dillard-comments/?utm_campaign=peoplemag&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag
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She's calm, cool and level headed. She has more maturity than someone 12 years older than her. HER, Derick. Ass.
Not a hair on anyone's head was ever harmed
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How can you possibly know this?
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Because a primary source who lived in the family home said so. Good enough for me unless there's evidence to contradict that, which, there isn't.
t's not true that very few celebrities sue. A quick search of lexisnexus proves otherwise.
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Back up your claim. What percentage of celebrities sue?
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You were the one claiming celebs don't sue. YOU produce the stats. I'm not your personal research attorney unless you want to pay me the going rate. That's $350 an hour.
Tamara said... 136
Why wouldn't Derick feel emboldened to tweet this? His countrie's President says stupider things every day. Recently he said those things about the transgendered population.
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He never said any such thing even close. He is concerned about the high costs of health care for those in the military, because unlike many other politicians, he is willing to tell his constituents that money doesn't grow on trees for complicated medical treatment. Even transgenders themselves admit it is an extremely costly state to maintain. People go broke doing so. It's really sad how costly it is, and if we could bring the costs down, I for one would be happy to welcome them into the military, I think it's great as long as we can afford to do so. The costs will get there, I think, but it's not there today.
My coworker is quitting her job and going somewhere else because her health care premiums are skyrocketing under Obamacare and her firm can no longer pay for it. She was a huge supporter of Obamacare, today, she is frightened, crying, and struggling to understand how she will support herself and her daughter as a single mom. She looked at me and said what did I do??? I'm not sure what she meant, but I assume she meant her votes over the years and all her political posts on FB. We just hugged, there was nothing I could say. There are two sides to every story.
Dirty Jesus is and angry Jesus ;-)
These fundies get personally offended by so many things...LGBTQ people, Catholics...
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And child molesters. Unless it's someone in the family, then it's either okay or didn't happen like that.
est talent and based on history, people don't fare well after attacking the LGBTQ community.
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TLC is in a spot I'm not sure they can ignore. They spent the better part of the past two years convincing everyone that Jazz not only is just like anybody else, but deserving of respect and open mindedness just like everybody else. Derrick contradicted their message in at least two different ways. I'm not sure how they, with a straight face, can keep him on their payroll when their supposed goal is tolerance and acceptance. It's hypocritical at best, and makes them look really, really stupid.
Maybe I'm overreacting, but I don't see how they reconcile it.
I'm hoping that statement was their initial statement while they gather their thoughts to really drill down on this. It would be pretty nuts to let this one go.
Admin (#160), did we truly expect more from the network that still puts food on TFW's table? And that's gradually welcoming Ma and Pa Duggar back onto America's screens?
What a bunch of sissies. Afraid to defend the honor of a CHILD, because it might offend the Duggars' loyal fans and cost them some viewers. It's been clear for years: TLC has an allegiance to only one thing:
the almighty dollar. Despicable.
Admin (#160), did we truly expect more from the network that still puts food on TFW's table? And that's gradually welcoming Ma and Pa Duggar back onto America's screens?
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They wouldn't do it out of morality, but out of strategy. I don't REALLY think they personally love Jazz, I think they just love posturing her in a certain way that the times call for to make them money (i.e. tolerance, acceptance). The end result is a good one all along, but that doesn't make their motivations pure. Same goes for Kate really, they have no pure motives with her, puh-lease. That said, the end game here is strategy, and I think it makes good strategic sense for TLC to really get behind Jazz and against Derrick--I can't work out any other scenario where that's a bad idea. It's the right thing to do, but it's also the smart thing to do for the brand.
Maybe it's time for TLC to bring back the "I Am" campaign, with Derick saying "I Am
a judgmental douchebag who can't support my family without a TV show and a 'donate' button on my website, but please allow me to share what I think is wrong with YOU."
You'd think with a 2-year-old, a newborn, and a wife recuperating from a C-section, Derick would have better things to do with his time than pick a fight with a minor. I guess his sisters-in-law have been dispatched to take care of the household, leaving him plenty of time to pontificate.
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In the old days, Derick was your crazy Uncle Derick around the Thanksgiving table ranting about the transgendered and the gays. You discreetly roll your eyes then go home in a few hours not having to deal with him again until Christmas.
Now with Twitter....you can really hurt someone with your ranting. I hope Jazz doesn't give two shits about that dirty POS.
Jill, obviously a student of the Kate Gosselin School of Deflection, has just posted some photos of the new Dillard baby. She must be scared silly that her husband might have blown everything, and they might have to get actual jobs. Oh, the horror...
I just checked out Derick's twitter and web site to see if he's said anything after today's fiasco. Nothing. But interesting find, Derick is wearing CLEAR BRACES. Much more costly than regular braces.
I thought God gave him fucked up teeth. I say it's a myth that braces cure it. Once a snaggle tooth, always a snaggle tooth.
The Bushes never forgot that little, precious girl. Their lives were affected and they have expressed their life-long sorrow over her loss.
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W. says throughout dad's time in the White House, a photo of Robin was ALWAYS front and center on his desk.
I just don't think you ever move on from losing a child.
"Free speech is great, but where are those who question the validity of such defamatory accusations?"
I know a lot of gossip is false, but much of it turns out to be true. I've read celebrity gossip for years, and Josh Duggar's molestations, Bill Cosby's treatment of women, and Caitlyn Jenner's transgender lifestyle were rumors before they were proven true.
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Penn State. That was gossip for years.
I have noticed quite surprisingly that a lot of these big stories that start as rumors do indeed turn out to be true. More often than not. I think journalists know better now the importance of checking and triple checking, and the importance of multiple sources. They've also built up trust with anonymous sources, rarely or never revealing them unless given permission, making people more likely to come forward.
The credibility of the anonymous story is better these days, despite a general decline in journalism as a whole.
Here's the thing, absolutely people should be skeptical. But, you have to factor in that MOST journalists have already run it through their own skeptical machine or they wouldn't have published it. And, while it's always good to be skeptical, you have to balance it with being so skeptical that you never believe anything that you hear. You might be hearing many TRUE things, and disregarding them because your skeptical meter is on overdrive.
I think you run into dangerous territory when you are two skeptical. For example, Penn State. So many people were SO skeptical about that. That could never happen. They were dead wrong. And as a result, children were not given their justice in a timely manner.
I think bottom line for me is "keep an open mind". Don't jump to believe everything you hear, but don't dismiss it either. Find that balance.
Why wouldn't Derick feel emboldened to tweet this? His countrie's President says stupider things every day. Recently he said those things about the transgendered population.
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Oh, the Duggars were running their stupid little mouths all along. Nothing about this presidency has changed that, and there is no evidence anyone at all is "emboldened" by this presidency to say something stupid any more than people are emboldened by their wife encouraging them to say something stupid. Nonsense.
Don't forget, those nasty robocalls about transgenders occurred long before anyone even heard of Trump running. That was during Obama. Why not blame Obama for that?
Obviously, that's silly. It's silly to blame any politician for how this family behaves. They make their own choices and say what they want to say all on their own no matter if Obama, Trump, or a quacking duck is in office.
.But there was a study which did state that the suicide is even higher even after surgery.Yes there are some transgender who do regret the surgery,you can see a post here on a transgender sub reddit where they stated this
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All these issues SHOULD be discussed and debated. I'm fine with that. I think this is a very new endeavor, and that the research is new, and there aren't a lot of stats yet. The medical issues, costs, fine tuning are all VERY complicated. And people were saying, he is entitled to his opinion and even his concern. It's how he went about it that is the problem, going after her directly. That was uncalled for especially given that she is a child. Talk about the issue as a whole, fine, as long as you do so respectfully. But he went directly after her, and God forbid if something like that ever pushed her over the edge, he would be to blame. I don't even care if there is research to suggest it's a mental illness, that's not the point. It's not like that's a free pass to attack a child with depression or schizophrenia, this is no different.
"I'd say that over the years PA Dutch has said quite a few things regarding this family without invading their privacy or spilling the beans about something that's best left unsaid. It certainly is preferable to spreading rumors put out as being facts without being confirmed as such."
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Absolutely, and Dutch Mom has also refused to "set the record straight," saying that it's Jon's business to do so if and when he chooses to address an issue. That speaks volumes.
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I hope I'm not saying too much, but I know various posters on here have met discreetly off blog, in person, and PA Dutch Mom is who she says she is, a good egg and more. This is a wonderful community with some people even forming relationships offline, and that warms my heart. I have never met anyone here in person and I'm guessing I probably won't be doing that, but I feel quite tight with the blog staff and very trusting and appreciative of them after years of their help.
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Maybe it's time for TLC to bring back the "I Am" campaign, with Derick saying "I Am
a judgmental douchebag who can't support my family without a TV show and a 'donate' button on my website, but please allow me to share what I think is wrong with YOU."
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Excellent point! TLC's enormous PR campaign was all about acceptance, and here, their talent is not accepting whatsoever and went public.
Totally unprovoked.
Just vomited bigotry on his social media for no good reason at all.
He's a loose canon and TLC is going to be all over him like they were on Kate when she was apt to say stupid shit at any given minute.
Now with Twitter....you can really hurt someone with your ranting. I hope Jazz doesn't give two shits about that dirty POS.
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Jazz is like, "Yeah, I deal with these fools every day. What. Evs."
"have you ever been onto Oak Island? I'm going to a wedding there in early October."
NJGal, do you mean in North Carolina? I'm from NC and went to Oak Island for the first time in June. It has a lighthouse and beaches. There's a cute waterfront town nearby called Southport. It's close to Wilmington, a pretty big city. We went for the day.
Speaking of suicide. Very interesting sentence imposed on the gal who convinced her boyfriend to commit suicide. There was a bench trial, she was sentenced today to 2 1/2 years in prison, but the judge granted a stay because the appeals process will no doubt take longer than that.
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That is VERY interesting. Splitting the baby almost.
That says that he has NO idea what the court of appeal will do, so he's not about to make her serve time when he thinks he could very well be reversed.
I think he is spot on that this is a crapshoot, and it was a very creative idea to stay it. He is right that she is an awful, awful person, but it's a fine line how much you want to open the door into prosecuting people who encourage things from the sidelines. Where does it end?
I think she got the message after going through all this. I wouldn't be opposed to letting her go at this point.
I just don't think you ever move on from losing a child.
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I've never seen anyone move on like Kate.
It's reptilian.
I believe there are a lot of factors that go into someone committing suicide. I don't believe in perpetuating the stereotype of being transgender makes someone more likely to succumb to that act. I'm not a doctor, but I would think that possibly years of having to be someone you're not, feeds into anxiety and depression.
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I'm guessing IF there truly is a direct correlation between the surgery and suicide, it's like you said, due to a lot of factors.
The physical body may have changed, but I think people go in with unhealthy expectations like that that's all it will take to make things better. It's just one component in living like that. I imagine for most hospitals to approve it one must endure extensive counseling. Yes it may make you live more comfortably but surgery can't change so many other things, like the Derricks of the world, or even your own family and friends.
Also, the surgery and aftercare treatment is very demanding and costly, and that alone can depress someone. It's like if you had to take a bunch of pills all the time but they made you feel better. You still might end up depressed, because it sucks to have to always be so medicated and regimented and it sucks how much it hurts your wallet. You're grateful you feel better, but at what cost?
In other words, you can't assume that suicides are because "surgery just didn't work after all."
@Admin Don't get me wrong,im not defending Derick and he of all people shouldn't bit the hand the feeds him.Image if he went after Kate and called her a child abuser?When it comes to Jazz,it was stated somewhere that the surgery that she wants is a very serious procedure and IF it doesn't go well,he could end up with a permanently pre pubescent penis,i do some what worry about him. http://people.com/tv/jazz-jennings-transgender-bottom-surgery-complications/
"I think we should treat them same as everyone else but the sterilizing hormones given to kids need to stop."
Normally the kids are not given hormones until they are adults. The children get a hormone blocker which will delay puberty. This gives everyone time to figure out what path to take to keep the child safe. They have to go to a lot of counseling before they are given hormones.
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I want to say Frontline did a special on this, on PBS. It is very, very regimented. A good doctor does not just pump any ole kid full of hormones because he says he's a girl. It's very extensive. Yes, controversial, they absolutely know that-- but not as loosey goosey as some people imply.
.Image if he went after Kate and called her a child abuser?
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See, to me that's very different, because Kate's an adult. It's an adult to adult conversation, and she is an adult and can defend herself.
It's still rude to attack a "co-worker", but it's not wrong.
This was rude, and wrong, because it's a child.
All that said, I think you are right to worry about Jazz. But what's clear to me is she has amazing parents, and doctors, and she herself has a very good head on her shoulders. She will be okay; I worry about children who do not have the support she does.
@Admin Anyways i'll stop talking about this whole thing.Thank you for at least respecting my opinion on this.
Well, since Admin mentioned it...
I am one of the long time regulars here who has been fortunate enough to meet (in person) a few of the wonderful women who have posted here. And, some of the ladies I have spent time with have actually met a few other women from this blog. Additionally, several of us became Facebook and email friends.
Two of the ladies in our cheerful group live within short miles of Kate and have seen her in real life. One of them drives by Kate's home with regularity. Neither of them post here any longer, but they never shared any inside information on this blog. They displayed the same integrity that PA Dutch Mom has shown.
Everyone is exactly who she represented herself to be and more -- Funny and intelligent and family oriented. (I hope they would say the same of me.) We share each other's life experiences. These are sweet friendships that began with the bizarre connecting force of not understanding Kate Gosselin.
I know that does not mean that all anonymous posters are genuine. But, until proven otherwise, I tend to believe what others have to say. And, except for the angry troll who continues to slam Admin and ridicule what some of us have to say, this has been a consistent safe place to share lots of interesting off topics and Gosselin analysis.
I have been peeking in every day for many years now. I enjoy all of your personalities and opinions. Rumspringa cheers!
Thanks ncgirl, I do mean NC. They've rented houses on Oak Island for the out of towners. It should be a good time because it will be the first time that me and all of my brothers and sisters have been together in a long time.
Ha, Mall Cop 2 is on!
James, you're not attacking a child and you're discussing an important issue respectfully. Of course your opinion is welcome here.
There's plenty of evidence. You just choose to ignore it.
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There's no evidence, you just choose to ignore that there's no evidence..
Yes, Americans one day woke up and said Trump is president, now let's all be dumbasses. Lol, don't be daft.
No, people have always been dumbasses. It's the human condition.
A quick look at the hundreds of comments on Derick's post proves how far we have come. Jazz was stood up for time and time again, even by people who seemed to like and follow the Duggars. People took a stand. People used real names. People used real names and tweeted big accounts like TLC directly. Nobody was in the closet defending that girl, nobody held back, or acted worried or afraid to defend her. Little accounts, big accounts alike, were all there. My, how far we have come. Poo pooing from you can't change that.
PA Dutch mom: I am sorry for making you feel unwelcomed here, that was never my intention. I did misunderstand your tone in that comment and I apologize.
Also I skipped the word blockers in my comment about GID. It was supposed to be sterilizing hormone blockers. The hormones to transition are in fact given after the children grow up as others have said, I totally agree. It's still unhealthy to give a kid hormone blockers.
Another point I want to clarify: I never stated kids kill themselves BECAUSE of the surgery, I said the suicide rate is unchanged(according to some studies) whether they receive the surgery or not.
Duggar should have never made those comments, it was cruel and pointless and really ignorant. Insisting in using the pronoun "he" was pathetic. It's a matter of respect. If Jazz identifies as girl and wants to be referred to as "she" why shouldn't everyone respect that?
Many families can't afford to throw parties at all, other than just inviting family and a few friends over for cake and ice-cream. It's expensive to throw a big party with a bunch of kids every year. Kreiders, ya got dealt a nasty kid here who is in the minority, not the majority, when reflecting on what makes a great childhood, okay?
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I had a flashback to "The Farmer's Wife" when Juanita threw a birthday party for one of the girls and she said she spent $5.
$5 probably broke her at the time.
They set up games and did it all alone.
No crew or TLC shopping spree.
The kids had a ball.
All you need is a little imagination and the kids do the rest.
Kate is as much a dullard as she is an ingrate.
And, except for the angry troll who continues to slam Admin and ridicule what some of us have to say, this has been a consistent safe place to share lots of interesting off topics and Gosselin analysis.
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Such a rarity anymore. It's almost impossible to find a well-run board or blog that consistently is guided to ensure friendly conversation and has a hard-line policy on personal attacks.
It's a tribute to Admin and the pool men and women who have kept this blog running for years, when pretty much all the other Gosselin blogs are long, long gone.
Duggar should have never made those comments, it was cruel and pointless and really ignorant. Insisting in using the pronoun "he" was pathetic
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I agree...and Derick knew what that passive-aggressive swipe (referring to her as "he") at Jazz meant. His attack was personal, so his response that his Tweet was meant to address the general terminology and notion of gender fluidity, not Jazz, was b.s.
It was personal.
I look forward to finding out whether "Counting On" numbers take a hit.
Pro lgbtq rights and support tends to be polarizing. Some people will be done for good with all things Duggar.
What's hard to believe is that Derick couldn't manage to keep his mouth shut, after TLC brought them back from the Siberian exile which Josh put them in.
The Duggars-any Duggar- are lucky as all get out to have this second chance after the sex scandal.
Scandals, really.
So to put their show at risk was really stupid, especially when you're breeding like bunnies with no discernible job skills to fall back on.
Exactly. The fact that people who were ALWAYS like this now use Trump as an excuse to express what they've believed all along doesn't make it Trump's fault(and this comes from someone who really dislikes the man!). If not for Trump they would have used another excuse, I doubt anyone changed for the worse because Trump is now president. I'm sorry but I think this is the exact type of ignorant comment as the "muslims are terrorists" one.
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Exactly. And if you start playing that game you can virtually find anything to fit your scenario. What about all the racial tensions and disgusting anti police rhetoric during the Obama presidency? Ferguson, etc. If that happened now people would be blaming trump for causing racism. Why didn't you blame Obama for the same? It just starts to get really really silly. People should take responsibility for the things they say and do not blame politicians for it. Nobody made you do anything but yourself.
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I look forward to finding out whether "Counting On" numbers take a hit.
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I kind of doubt it. They are coming back in early September and likely with the next wedding (a Duggar male, glory be!) as the first episode. Looking at the comments in various places, it is clear their core supporters aren't going anywhere, not over this. TLC seems satisfied with their +/- 1.3m viewers for this show, and Jazz's show typically brings in 30-40% fewer eyeballs. So I don't think this incident will be the catalyst for taking the Duggars off TLC, unfortunately.
So I don't think this incident will be the catalyst for taking the Duggars off TLC, unfortunately.
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Sad but true...that is certainly sad, but true!
I think it comes down to the integrity of the network, and TLC has none whatsoever.
A&E apparently has some, since it lost an enormous amount of money taking a stand on what Phil Robertson said about the gay community.
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