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| For years, Hannah has always been one of the most affectionate children toward Jon. |
Wednesday, August 23, 2017
Police called during brutal custody exchange of Hannah
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| For years, Hannah has always been one of the most affectionate children toward Jon. |
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 600 of 834 Newer› Newest»Looks like I'm the only one who doesn't agree with what Jon did in this instance. IF it was Kate's week, being that Jon had had her for a week, I think he was in the wrong to encourage Hannah to fight. It exacerbated an already very volatile situation and I seriously doubt that the judge who granted the 50/50 temp custody would be pleased to hear that when it was Kate's turn, Jon encouraged Hannah not to go with her mother.
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You're not the only one. Other people have said Jon perhaps should have just turned the child over and sorted it out in court later.
I'm also unclear if it really was her time or not. Didn't the police admit the FLO was ambiguous?
We don't have a context for it really, exactly why Jon would tell her to hang on. Maybe she's going back to horrors, who knows. Maybe she's begged and pleaded with him to please support her in not wanting to go to Kate. Bottom line sounds like with or without any adult saying a thing Hannah was not going to let go of that car.
British true crime shows can be very intoxicating.
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LOVE the scenery and although the show is about crime (which seems to occur one at a time), I find myself wanting to visit and move there.
LOVE the scenery and although the show is about crime (which seems to occur one at a time), I find myself wanting to visit and move there.
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Me too. Sleepy little seaside town, sans murders and rape.
Where is it exactly?
I rambled on a bit in my Kate's Advice recap about how in fact Kate has NOT changed, and some of the stuff I said was pretty foreshadowing, especially the part about how pulling a kid's arm doesn't work when they're 13:
"I guess what I have to say about the whole premise of this episode is that I really don't see the evidence Kate has changed all that much since the start of this series. I think she lets her kids walk all over her a bit more rather than ordering them about, but that's just because it's easier to order around a toddler when if they don't comply you can just yank their arm into submission. Not so easy with a teen. But, there's still pretty much the same level of yelling and screaming going on all the time, as far as I can tell. Kids still seem frequently unhappy, and often cast aside. She still plays favorites--if anything that's even worse. Her justice is unfair and nonsensical. She's still extremely disconnected from people, certainly her fans, and at times her own children. Her level of apparent disconnect from Collin's ongoing separation from the family is disturbing.
She's still very rude to people just there to help. She's still not really game to try new things. I guess I don't think she gets quite as angry all the time, but she still gets there enough where I can't say that issue has been resolved.
This is the thing, her mental illness is not going to change, or is unlikely to. It's not like Kate has to "learn" to be a better person. Her mental illness prevents her from doing so. She would need intensive therapy, possibly even medication, to change, and even then there's no guarantees."
Where I REALLY want to live is in Doc Martin's town!
I love that whacky cast of characters.
Don't forget all those beautiful little villages in Midsomer Murders! Heavenly!
I'm binge watching Wentworth. I'm on season 4 and it's much better than OITNB. Next up for me will be Ozark.
If this was under normal circumstances then telling Hannah not to go would be wrong. Since I believe Hannah is either being abused or witnessing abuse idk how your suppose to handle that. It would be just so heartbreaking
Layla said... 172
Kate's failure to ever plan for the future is really biting her in the ass right now. She only thinks of what's going on right now, and doesn't understand that things can change completely without warning. She never built upon any of the opportunities that were thrown her way because if something didn't pay off right now, she'd just drop it. Her website, the coupon blog...if she had put some effort into those, she could be making a living off them by now.
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OMG opportunities. Kate had so many without using her children. I certainly wouldn't say she was the next Martha Stewart but at her celebrity height mothers identified with her and had she cashed in on that such as clothing for the children or crafts, cooking, a devotional for mothers or even her lying about cleaning she could have marketed several things and not used the kids. But I am sure she thought the general public would support watching the kids grow up, go to college or get married. What she didn't count on was that during the teen years children do show independence. I truly hope that Jon is able to obtain custody of all of his kids not just some of them.
Layla said... 8
Don't forget all those beautiful little villages in Midsomer Murders! Heavenly!
August 27, 2017 at 3:10 PM
NJGal51 said... 9
I'm binge watching Wentworth. I'm on season 4 and it's much better than OITNB. Next up for me will be Ozark.
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Midsomer- I love it there and would love to go-even with the crazy murders!
Wentworth is really good. I have to get back into the new season.
SaraMRN2010 (#11), yes, the possibilities for TFW to springboard to other ventures was endless. But instead she chose the path of least resistance (read: laziness), and just counted on the show going forever, along with the steady income from it. Talk about forgetting to PLAN AHEA...
I have held my breath several times before...just thinking that somehow Kate would be forced to put the welfare of her children first.
Maybe this is the time that her buoyancy will fail.
Hopefully, not too little too late for the kids.
SaraMRN2010 said... 11
OMG opportunities. Kate had so many without using her children. I certainly wouldn't say she was the next Martha Stewart but at her celebrity height mothers identified with her and had she cashed in on that such as clothing for the children or crafts, cooking, a devotional for mothers or even her lying about cleaning she could have marketed several things and not used the kids . . .
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At one point, she had a children's clothing line set to roll out with Healthtex, but it appears it got postponed, then never happened, at the time of the separation/when it became apparent in 2009 that all was not well with the Gosselins. There was also a lost deal with P & G? which Robert talked about in his book--the company decided they did not want to be associated with the Gosselins.
Ms. Kreider is probably still blaming Jon for those lost revenue streams, and others, to this day.
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I hope there's fire with all this smoke!!
Yep. She's squandered so much with her horrible personality and attitude. She lives near QVC, she could have gone and been a spokesperson on there, here there's a woman about KG age who does all kinds of commercials for local businesses-car dealerships, tire places, air condition companies! ---she could have even gone on the local news stations , like a special events person or something ! She blew it because she is rotten to the core.
At one point, she had a children's clothing line set to roll out with Healthtex, but it appears it got postponed, then never happened, at the time of the separation/when it became apparent in 2009 that all was not well with the Gosselins.
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It did show up briefly at Walmart.
You're not the only one. Other people have said Jon perhaps should have just turned the child over and sorted it out in court later.
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Then he would have been accused of abandoning her and once again Kate would have been in control, laughing at him because he could do nothing about it. The child would have felt that she couldn't depend on her father for anything. Sorting it out with the courts? I think Jon might have known how far that would have gotten him.
Blowing In The Wind said... 19
At one point, she had a children's clothing line set to roll out with Healthtex, but it appears it got postponed, then never happened, at the time of the separation/when it became apparent in 2009 that all was not well with the Gosselins.
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It did show up briefly at Walmart.
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Thanks for clarifying that--I was just googling around trying to find info cause I remembered something about a clothing line and the article I found didn't mention it had shown up in Walmart. After that, wasn't it dumped overseas?
Still, I'm sure Ms. Kreider blames Jon because if he had just accepted her terms/continued the marriage/not fought for her children, everything would be fine.
Jillygee said... 18
Yep. She's squandered so much with her horrible personality and attitude. She lives near QVC, she could have gone and been a spokesperson on there,
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I've thought about that, too. Great opportunity at QVC and with Kate's notoriety during the height of her fame, I think they would have worked with her.
From what I understand, tho, you have to be a real "go getter" to make it there.
That wouldn't have worked in the long run...Look at how Coupon Cabin got screwed because they gave Kate a chance.
She acted like she was doing them a favor and acted like a diva.
If Jon felt that Hannah was in emotional/physical danger with Kate, I think he was justified in encouraging her to stay with him
I remember when TFW was being interviewed by someone (E! ENtertainment Tonight) and she grabbed the mic and said to him "Someday I'll own this mic!" Yeah, how'd that work out for ya Kate!
NJGal51 said... 24
I remember when TFW was being interviewed by someone (E! ENtertainment Tonight) and she grabbed the mic and said to him "Someday I'll own this mic!" Yeah, how'd that work out for ya Kate!
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Yup, I can't remember what show (Entertainment Tonight?) gave Kate a commentator opportunity. Man, Kate had connections to some real star-making power.
Mary Hart-she's been a tv staple for decades.
Barbara Walters- a media heavyweight.
People would give their left eye for opportunities like that.
There were numerous lucrative opportunities that were offered to Kate or that she could have put some effort into--opportunities that could be providing her and the kids with a tidy income by now. But she was too lazy to work at anything. It took less effort to sell pictures of the kids for $20 a pop, so that's what she did. She really believes that since she gave birth to sextuplets, the world owes her life on a golden platter.
NJGal51 (#24), I think that was Kevin Frazier. And then she called the seats at The View's table "the chairs of my dreams." And wanted the chance to "hit it out of the park again." All 3 of those goals were achievable, if only she'd hustled for them. But grifters aren't generally known for their work ethic.
Jillygee said... 18
Yep. She's squandered so much with her horrible personality and attitude. She lives near QVC,
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Impossible. She has no "patter," she speaks in a droning monotone, and THAT's when she's talking about herself or her kids, the ONLY subjects on which she might ostensibly have a clue. Imagine her trying to sell anything to anyone. She is not articulate, um um um, and if she's not sitting on a couch, has no physical presence. She needs to get out of "show business" (lol) and find something she can really do. And it ain't day care.
Jon just responded to a question about Collin's whereabouts. He says neither Kate nor the courts have let him know where Collin is even though there was a court order that was ignored. He knows where he is through a witness. He also said Collin has never returned home.
Tucker's Mom said... 25
Yup, I can't remember what show (Entertainment Tonight?) gave Kate a commentator opportunity. Man, Kate had connections to some real star-making power.
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It was that one-season wonder, "Skating with the Stars," LOL. That's where she first met Bethenny Frankel (before that one's big breakthrough). It was kind of funny to watch Bethenny put her through her paces a couple of years later on B's talk show (which was after B's big Skinnygirl coup).
Yeah, Kate's had lots of opportunities, and you could sense there were a lot of people behind the scenes willing her to make it (since they'd have probably made bank if she had). Unfortunately, all of that was too much for Kate, who I believe is truly bone-lazy and expects everyone else to DO IT while she steps up to the mic in full hair and make-up to take the applause. Unless she finds some other poor sucker to write (and underwrite) her next book, "I Just Want You to Know Some More," I think she's about ready for the rubbish heap of history. Good-bye and God bless.
Then he would have been accused of abandoning her and once again Kate would have been in control, laughing at him because he could do nothing about it. The child would have felt that she couldn't depend on her father for anything. Sorting it out with the courts? I think Jon might have known how far that would have gotten him.
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This is a temporary order, so they're going to litigate the issue.
In any other circumstance I would say well he should probably turn the child over as ordered. But, they're about to litigate this and have an official order, so I'm going to reserve judgement on this one. He may very well have had safety reasons not to want her to go. It's temporary. This is very different than the over five years Kate has spent keeping these kids from him.
GG said... 29
Wow, there was a court order for him to be informed? And even the COURT didn't tell him? God help that kid. I hope that if Jon wants him, he'll be able to come home. Hopefully, he'll have at least one full-time sibling living with him at Jon's. Someone in the PA court system has lots of 'splainin' to do.
I hope whatever comments Jon is making at this point have been approved by his attorney. We've been down this road before.
kids come first said... 23
If Jon felt that Hannah was in emotional/physical danger with Kate, I think he was justified in encouraging her to stay with him
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It should be enough that HANNAH felt she could be in emotional/physical danger from Mommy. That should have settled the question right there. There was no need for a 3-hour harangue in a parking lot, where Hannah could watch as dear Mommy built a full head of steam.
What was it going to hurt if she spent an extra week with her dad? How many times has Kate disrupted the visitation schedule for filming purposes? Or because certain kids didn't finish their Kate-ordered chores? I bet even Jon doesn't have a complete count of those.
What was it going to hurt if she spent an extra week with her dad? How many times has Kate disrupted the visitation schedule for filming purposes? Or because certain kids didn't finish their Kate-ordered chores? I bet even Jon doesn't have a complete count of those.
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I consider it a MAKE UP VISIT for all the times she alienated and denied him his children.
"Yup, I can't remember what show (Entertainment Tonight?) gave Kate a commentator opportunity."
I remember when she was on ET because it was my favorite season of Dancing with the Stars when Jennifer Grey won. I remember thinking Kate's presence is not needed. She was in the DWTS audience with Mary Hart for one of the shows.
GG said... 29
Jon just responded to a question about Collin's whereabouts. He says neither Kate nor the courts have let him know where Collin is even though there was a court order that was ignored. He knows where he is through a witness. He also said Collin has never returned home.
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That raging bitch!
I'm sorry...I've known this in my head but to have it confirmed is so maddening.
Kate got rid of that kid, bottom line.
How can this happen in America? How can a mother essentially kidnap her kid away and the father has no legal recourse to find him?
Can someone link to Jon's post about Collin?
I hope Jon will not be accused of violating the court order by speaking out; even though he says the court order regarding Collin has been ignored. I can't imagine how Jon was not considered important enough to be informed of Collin's whereabouts and to know now only because he was told by a witness. It comes as no surprise to me though that Collin has not returned home.
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I had a feeling Collin never returned home and that no sibling has been allowed contact.
If any of the others knew where Collin was-and the kids would certainly talk about that- they'd tell Jon.
This is the length Kate will go to in order to continue filming.
Blowing in the wind said...
Then he would have been accused of abandoning her and once again Kate would have been in control, laughing at him because he could do nothing about it. The child would have felt that she couldn't depend on her father for anything. Sorting it out with the courts? I think Jon might have known how far that would have gotten him.
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Exactly. Other than wrestle Hannah away from Kate, or get into a physical altercation with Kate, what else would you have Jon do? At this point the police were on the way. Jon was encouraging Hannah to hang in there and he would get her help. Jon's hands were tied. I think he handled it the best he could. He made Hannah aware he couldn't physically help her, Hannah hung in there and did a great job. She's a tough cookie. Good for her.
So many people here complain that Jon doesn't seem to be doing anything to help his kids, now we have proof he is trying and he's still be criticized. Give the guy a break. It's obvious that Kate is fighting him tooth and nail and manipulating the kids in the process.
Her threat of Jon being arrested was so disgusting. And she said that IN FRONT of him. Imagine what she says behind his back.
Where's his attorney on this one...shouldn't she follow through on where Collin is
She was in the DWTS audience with Mary Hart for one of the shows.
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Ah yes, that was the infamous "dick" dress. Girlfriend forgot to wear her spanx.
Ah yes, that was the infamous "dick" dress. Girlfriend forgot to wear her spanx.
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LOL!
So C was shipped off somewhere, his father never informed of his whereabouts, and no contact with his siblings. Yep, TFW, that's just exactly like going away to college.
Isn't it about time for her karmic comeuppance?
Now we have some information and it is heartbreaking. Beyond understanding.
Poor Collin.
NJGal51 said... 43
She was in the DWTS audience with Mary Hart for one of the shows.
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Ah yes, that was the infamous "dick" dress. Girlfriend forgot to wear her spanx.
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I immediately thought of that too. Blast from the past:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/25/article-0-0C366206000005DC-550_468x411.jpg
Too bad Kate's "gift of gab" didn't work out so well for her.
I don't understand how KG is allowed to get away with all this. How can there be a court order to tell Jon where C is and it not be followed through? There must be legal recourse for this!
Dmasy (#46), it's chilling, isn't it? I think she is a sociopath.
Narcissism doesn't cover the depth of her personality disorder. She institutionalized an 11-year-old, without the courtesy of informing his alive-and-well father, and acts as if the child never existed.
JR said... 42
Where's his attorney on this one...shouldn't she follow through on where Collin is
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He found out through a friend, so he does know where he is, and unfortunately the issue is moot. Mootness is actually a real legal term, and we're not supposed to bark up mootness trees. Neither are we supposed to whine about things that haven't happened yet. (Ripeness) The law is funny that way, the harm has to actually be occurring in that moment to make a stink.
The question is who was the friend and is she among the recent missing of Kate's friends? I'm betting there's scorched earth around that person.
SaraMRN2010 said... 11
OMG opportunities. Kate had so many without using her children.
FlimsyFlamsy said... 13
the possibilities for TFW to springboard to other ventures was endless. But instead she chose the path of least resistance (read: laziness)...
FlimsyFlamsy said... 27
All 3 of those goals were achievable, if only she'd hustled for them.
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You are giving her waaay too much credit. Bottom line is she has no talent, no charisma, no charm, no real 'gift of gab', no star quality - absolutely nothing of value that would carry her beyond the initial opportunity into success. All she has going for her are children that keep her on the very edge of z-list celebrity. Pathetic.
Rainbirdie said... 52
You are giving her waaay too much credit. Bottom line is she has no talent, no charisma, no charm, no real 'gift of gab', no star quality - absolutely nothing of value that would carry her beyond the initial opportunity into success.
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Totally agree with you Rainbirdie. And no amount of coaching or training would help as she is unteachable.
Zoe said... 53
Totally agree with you Rainbirdie. And no amount of coaching or training would help as she is unteachable.
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Kate has always thought she was totally charming and appealing AS IS. That might have been true when viewers were first looking at this family back in 2007-8, but it wore thin pretty quickly. Once you started to hear her voice speaking over the cute half-dozen toddlers, and really paid attention to what she was saying, it was over. For whatever reason, she became elevated in a short time (a decade ago) to "super mom" status, with very little to back that up. One look at her sharing a stage with Maria Shriver made it very clear how little she deserved that moniker. And it just went down from there, as she abandoned her kids, time and time again, to the care of nannies while she went on her book-and-plastic-surgery tours across America. She was an invented phenomenon from the word go, and TLC (and all those who bankrolled her and the network) are to blame for that.
I would almost feel sorry for her, had she any real idea how ill she was used by ALL of these "helping hands." But she was a very willing accomplice in all of it---because it was always about her, and never about the kids.
Zoe said...53
Totally agree with you Rainbirdie. And no amount of coaching or training would help as she is unteachable.
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Remember when she and Saint Tony were in the practice room and she told him that HE needed to learn how to teach HER!!! Tony looked like he had been hit in the head with a 2x4. When he was coming back at her, she KNEW she was over her head and then she half stomped away and said, I'm tired or whatever she said.
I don't want to look it up. But then Tony grabbed his mike and pitched it on the floor and said, I quit! I quit! and walked out. Then she said, I just don't get it! She was so horrified she was going to have to leave.
Then I remember a poster posted that when Tony was sitting in the corner talking to himself about it and swaying back and forth trying to come to terms with it someone posted that he looked suicidal. I know he really wasn't going to kill himself and that was just satire, but he only had a small portion of what Jon and the kids have went through on a daily basis and now it is escalating!
I think she is a rare, deeply disturbed person that the mental health association would pay to study her. She has been doing this everyday for what now 3 decades?
Time to get evaluated and medicated.
Oh, I forgot to add.
When she told Tony that HE had to LEARN how to teach HER, he was saying as he was sitting and swaying that he teaches the pro dancers to dance. He is internationally known and a beloved dancer. And he has to take classes to learn how to teach HER?
A mentally ill haus frau from Ghettosville PA that is only famous for having 8 kids, twins, tups and has her mug on TLC.
Kate is a twit said... 98
I found the full print article that appeared in In Touch Weekly about Jon and Kate's confrontation over Hannah. It has the whole conversation between Jon, Kate and Hannah.
https://www.pressreader.com/usa/in-touch-usa/20170901/textview
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I just read the article. Wow - Kate was so determined to get her way that she fought a child for three hours. THREE HOURS! Outrageous. Very brave of Hannah to dig in & fight for what she wants - hopefully the fact that this is all on video will help Hannah in court.
I think Jon did the right thing, telling H she needs to fight for what she wants. It's a good message to send to all his kids: I'm gonna fight for you but you've got to fight for yourselves along with me as well. If Kate was a decent person I'd say Jon was egging on H, but knowing who she is and what she's been doing for years, no I don't see it that way.
So it's confirmed poor Collin hasnt been home in over a year. How horrible! Hoe will this child ever get past the abandonment? How will he piece himself together after all he's been through?
How the hell are there people out there still defending Kate?
Tucker's Mom,
This is copied and pasted from Facebook.
Has Collin ever come back home?
It's two "L"'s and no he hasn't.
Do you know where he is at??
Yes thru a witness, but Kate has never told me neither has the court and they were supposed to and I have an order and it was ignored
Jon saying Collin is spelled with two Ls is heartbreaking. Call me silly but I seriously was struck by that. That little detail. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but really it's all the small things added up that show Jon is the superior parent.
The question is who was the friend and is she among the recent missing of Kate's friends? I'm betting there's scorched earth around that person.
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Wouldn't it be funny if it was Deanna?
But, you're right, it has to be someone who was in Kate's inner circle- a whistle blower.
It's pure evil to send a boy away and not tell his father where he is, and not let him come home EVER.
What parents can get away with, doing to their children, is stunning.
Dogs have more protection.
You are giving her waaay too much credit. Bottom line is she has no talent, no charisma, no charm, no real 'gift of gab', no star quality - absolutely nothing of value that would carry her beyond the initial opportunity into success. All she has going for her are children that keep her on the very edge of z-list celebrity. Pathetic.
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Kate has cunning and a laser-beam focus on staying on tv.
That has served her well for a decade. It's unbelievable how long she's been able to make hay.
For whatever reason, she became elevated in a short time (a decade ago) to "super mom" status, with very little to back that up
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The back up was TLC's relentless Goebbel's campaign to sell Kate as a Super-Mother of 8, doing it all alone, single, working her French tips to the bone, piecing and patching, giving her kids a golden platter life, all in the face of dealing with a 9th child, douchebag, philandering, skirt-chasing ex-husband.
It was powerful stuff.
I would almost feel sorry for her, had she any real idea how ill she was used by ALL of these "helping hands." But she was a very willing accomplice in all of it---because it was always about her, and never about the kids.
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We should expect the "Kate Gosselin: Victim" tour at some point in the future.
So it's confirmed poor Collin hasnt been home in over a year. How horrible! Hoe will this child ever get past the abandonment? How will he piece himself together after all he's been through?
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He won't really.
Boys are far more sensitive and less adaptable than girls, jmo.
A boy will internalize that maternal rejection and abandonment and have many issues throughout life.
And for Colin to be gone-essentially banished-for this long, the bonds with his siblings will be damaged and difficult to repair.
As I said over a YEAR ago, Kate and the kids are now living in a post-Collin world.
GG said... 59
Tucker's Mom,
This is copied and pasted from Facebook.
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Thank you, GG!
I did go and find the post on FB last night.
It's so interesting that Jon is speaking out again. I hope it's not much ado about nothing. I hope he's getting traction on getting more custody time and decision-making responsibility.
Jon essentially went underground for almost several weeks. No social networking, no announcing DJ gigs. Something was brewing.
Now, I think we're putting the pieces together.
Realitytvkids.com ~ Administrator said... 51
He found out through a friend, so he does know where he is, and unfortunately the issue is moot.
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What's really appalling is that whatever "help" he's getting, it apparently does not include reconciling with his father. I do not understand what justification there could be for that, or what sort of therapeutic solution would not address this.
RoxyHelen said... 60
Jon saying Collin is spelled with two Ls is heartbreaking. Call me silly but I seriously was struck by that. That little detail. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but really it's all the small things added up that show Jon is the superior parent.
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It's emblematic of how Jon sees his children as individuals and speaks to each child's humanity.
Kate- "You like basketball? Who knew? Next."
I do not understand what justification there could be for that, or what sort of therapeutic solution would not address this.
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I'm doubtful that Collin is in a therapeutic setting. I can't imagine any professional supporting a plan to keep a boy from his own father, when that father is fighting tooth and nail to reconnect with his son.
I think Collin is in foster care or Kate has transferred custody to her friend or family in Wyoming.
Sadly, I doubt that Kate and the other kids have even visited C. We know he hasn't been home, and if there were visits, Kate would want credit for being such a good mommy that she takes time out of her busy, busy schedule to visit her own child.
No kid pics for about a month now. I wonder if she's having social media withdrawals. She used to use Twitter to make nasty digs at Jon or to paint a picture of herself as a perfect mom. You don't just post little one-liners on Instagram, and if she went back to Twitter--well, the truth is out and she will be called on it. And she can't swiffer Twitter. She doesn't have the clout to manipulate the morning shows into following her agenda. Not anymore. And there's most likely a pesky court order which shouldn't apply to her because she's just so darn special. What's a poor, overworked, put-upon mom to do?
I don't understand how Kate can know where Collin is, but not the other parent, Jon.Surely Jon is entitled to visit him- where can he be that does not allow contact during almost 2 years of childhood?
I too love Kate's silence and find it very telling. Clearly she has lost control of everything amd is scrambling trying to regain it while trying to keep what's left of her reputation. My, how the mighty have fallen :)
Regarding K reffering to J as "certain ones" she dis that when she kept the vacation destination a secret from all kids, sh le said it was so that "the media wouldn't be alerted by certain ones".
Layla said... 70
Sadly, I doubt that Kate and the other kids have even visited C. We know he hasn't been home, and if there were visits, Kate would want credit for being such a good mommy that she takes time out of her busy, busy schedule to visit her own child.
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I'm virtually certain that hasn't happened.
If any tup who sees Jon actually spoke with Collin, or visited him wherever he is, Jon would have found out where Collin was placed a LONG time ago.
By sheer fact that it was a "witness" tells me that no sibling actually knows where Collin is.
No way they'd keep that from Jon. No way. And I think that Jon would have said, "yeah, my kids see Collin and have told me where he's at".
He's never said that.
I think that's the lengths Kate has gone to in order to keep Collin from his father, and keep filming the show.
I actually had a thought that it was Deanna who told Jon.
I mean, she has spent a lot of time with these children, often with Kate not there. I'm assuming she's normal, not a narcissist, and she may actually be team kids when the rubber meets the road.
If we have a kid here as bonded as Hannah is to Jon at a certain point Deanna might wake up and realize this is about the kids and what's best for them.
She's made some nasty comments about Jon, but it was a long time ago and it's water under the bridge I'm sure for Jon. It's just very odd that even in the last "reunion" episode they brought nearly everybody back but Deanna, and that Kate suddenly stopped mentioning her.
Deanna got replaced by Ronny.
I don't understand how Kate can know where Collin is, but not the other parent, Jon.Surely Jon is entitled to visit him- where can he be that does not allow contact during almost 2 years of childhood?
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I'm trying to figure out how this all adds up, and foster care doesn't make sense because one parent would not usually know where the kid is but not the other. You are not entitled to know where your kid is when they are in foster care, because many placements are confidential. But since Kate knows, then it most likely can't be confidential.
I'm back to thinking Kate got him placed through the school district with school district money through his IEP, and just decided to leave Jon out of it including not telling him where he is.
Then, according to Jon, he asked the courts to order her to disclose his location, which they did order. Kate wouldn't, but he found out through a friend, and so now the issue of his location is moot.
Where visitation comes in during all of this is my next question for Jon, since now he does know where he is. It's not like he has to worry about a mother refusing to turn a kid over if he goes to his placement to see him.
Apparently Kate has quite a bit of money left because most of us 'mediocre' people wouldn't be able to get away with what she's gotten away with. By-passing a Dad that hasn't been court-ordered to stay away from his children should never happen. Foster care typically tries to keep a child within the family (grandparent, aunt) before going outside to strangers, but Kate's $$ could have helped in getting past that.
What if Collin is at a boarding school? Wouldn't that be the simplest explanation? He might have been at a treatment facility first and then when he was moved only two hours away from home, it was in fact at a boarding school where he may or may not have an aid or therapy or something and Kate has simply chosen to never tale him home? Would that be possible?
Jesus, can you imagine being 11 and your brother suddenly disappears and you've no idea where he is ans you never see him or speak to him evet again? How traumatized must those 7 kids be?
Wherever Collin is, would they have the right and power to deny Jon a visit?
Tucker's Mom said... 79
Wherever Collin is, would they have the right and power to deny Jon a visit?
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Exactly my question. if Jon has visitation rights now, why wouldn't that include wherever Collin is? A foster home would allow contact and why wouldn't his lawyer explain it and press the court to honor it? There's not many children who are 'unvisitable, ' even in juvie as far as I know.This poor child and I as a parent, would be in anguish if I was unable to see my child for two years.
RoxyHelen said... 78
Jesus, can you imagine being 11 and your brother suddenly disappears and you've no idea where he is ans you never see him or speak to him evet again? How traumatized must those 7 kids be?
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It really shakes me to my core to think about Collin-being sent away- and the rest of the tups (not so much the older twins) crapping their drawers thinking that any one of them could be next.
The whole People magazine spread, all clad in white with shiny smiles, be damned.
No kids should have to live under such duress.
What I'm finding out about custody courts in America is very disheartening.
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I think that's the lengths Kate has gone to in order to keep Collin from his father.
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Exactly. Especially since Jon prevented her from filming before. I think whatever Collin's issues are, are exacerbated by filming.And I think she was told that.So now he's not there to be filmed.And so, this is my guess as to why Jon didn't know where he was. Remember that last episode he was in, he was tomato staked to Kate and heavily sedated. I think he had enough and hit her at some point.
Tucker's Mom said... 79
Wherever Collin is, would they have the right and power to deny Jon a visit?
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What I don't understand is what role did Berks Co. CPS have in this? How could they let TFW ship off a child and keep his whereabouts from his father and siblings?
She was court ordered to tell Jon where he was and she refused. She should of been in contempt of court for not honoring a court order! Then Jon finds out and then it makes it moot. The you know what slid by again!
Thought she was a contract honorer. I really think it is Deanna. She finally had a aha moment and realized it was wrong, told Jon and then she got kicked to the curb and was replaced by Ronnie boy.
You would think Steve, with 2 boys, would of tried to steer the you know what to compromise with Jon about Collin, because it was actually insane to ship a young boy away from his family and father and not tell them where he was and the smug look on her face on GMA says it all.
How would Steve feel if Gina shipped off one of their sons like Collin was and he had no idea where he was at? For 2 years? I hope Jon's lawyer asks her questions about Steve's role in all of this. He is her Road Manager for Pete's sake.
I was on Facebook this morning and saw a post about a local 12 year old girl who is missing/ran away from a local group/therapy home last night. It said she had severe Reactive Attachment Disorder. I googled Mayo Clinic to find out what that was, could C be suffering some sort of spectrum of the disorder. Just a thought
There have to be more details we do not know.
If my son had been "placed and missing" for over a year, I would turn the earth upside down and shake it until the location was revealed.
Then I would take the fastest mode of transportation available to where he was living.
Nothing...nothing would seem too extreme for me to do!
She has a selfish, evil agenda and Jon needs to do everything he can to thwart her.
God help the kids caught in the middle.
My son is a grown adult living in Houston.
His street is still safe, but he and his lady are marooned in their home. Her downtown office is flooded to the second floor.
We are in touch several times a day just to check with each other.
Knowing that he is safe -- even at this age -- is essential to my mental health.
How can Kate? How can Jon? What are the remaining sibs thinking?
Beyond understanding.
RoxyHelen (#78), what an astounding mindf**k TFW is engaging her children in. Their beloved sibling gone, with no access to him for al.ost a year and a half, and they're supposed to just regroup and act as if he was never there? I pity his brothers the most. They might feel like they've lost a limb.
But there's Mom on TV, claiming our last 2 birthday parties, WITHOUT our
brother, were the BEST ones ever.
She is far, far sicker than I think any of us imagined. "Horrible" is now in the rear view mirror. She is evil.
I think he had enough and hit her at some point.
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I can see the poor kid playing right into Kate's hand and giving her the ammunition she needed to get him out of the house and out of the way of filming.
Kate was on a manic high for MONTHS after Collin was ejected.
How would Steve feel if Gina shipped off one of their sons like Collin was and he had no idea where he was at? For 2 years? I hope Jon's lawyer asks her questions about Steve's role in all of this. He is her Road Manager for Pete's sake.
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Great point!
Steve has always seemed slimy to me- from the very beginning.
He knew Kate was smitten.
Long time reader said... 85
I was on Facebook this morning and saw a post about a local 12 year old girl who is missing/ran away from a local group/therapy home last night. It said she had severe Reactive Attachment Disorder. I googled Mayo Clinic to find out what that was, could C be suffering some sort of spectrum of the disorder. Just a thought
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I wonder if Collin has Opposition Defiant Disorder and was refractory to Kate's aversive, monolithic method control.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/oppositional-defiant-disorder/basics/definition/con-20024559
Nothing...nothing would seem too extreme for me to do!
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I truly believe Jon would have done that a LONG time ago if he didn't have 4 children who want to see him.
It would not have ended well, and Jon knew that.
He had to resist any urge to go postal so that he didn't put his custody in jeopardy.
Dmasy, good to hear your son is doing ok!
She is far, far sicker than I think any of us imagined. "Horrible" is now in the rear view mirror. She is evil.
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Yup. Kate rounded the bend at horrible a long time ago.
Flimsy, calling her evil is too much of a lightweight word for her. She is beyond evil. I am struggling to find a word that actually fits her rare, kind of almost unprecedented behavior between a mother and her children.
She reminds me of Betty Broderick and Diane Downs.
I have always thought that TFW must of really been letting Collin have it verbally, screaming at him and he snapped and fought back. She got rid of him. Poor kid.
How can Berks Co. CPS allow her to get the funds from the school district and then ship him out of state to the mid west, if this happened?
Yes, lots of splaining to do!
Looks like Jerry Lewis was a horrible father.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/jerry-lewis-and-the-homeless-daughter-he-cruelly-ignored/ar-AAqL3sc?li=BBnb7Kz
OT--finished The Twelfth of Never, the book about Betty Broderick, very late last night. Fascinating & scary. I thought it was pretty well balanced in that it included some of Dan's behavior towards Betty, but Dan and Linda didn't deserve to have their lives snuffed out.
20+ years later, Betty still believes her actions were justified.
I am wondering if C is in a military school. Kate wanted a therapist to "fix" Jon when he didn't want to film, so maybe the thinks that military school and the structure and discipline it offers will "fix" any behavioral problems C has.
I was thinking about TLC's (and Kate's) comments when the last season ended. It's clear that something happened in court that prevented more filming for this season. That's why it was only 3 episodes. Maybe a judge is finally thinking about Hannah's emotional well-being and realizing that filming could be harmful to all the kids. So someone put a stop to it, if only temporarily, to assess the effect on the kids. The "schedules" TLC mentions would be the scheduled trial/hearing. Once that is out of the way, if Kate prevails, they will be right back to business as usual. The mention of being invested in this family means they have no intention of stopping filming if the are allowed. Where else will they find a mom so utterly unconcerned that she will allow them to film her kids to the point of exhaustion, without a set teacher or anyone else to safeguard those children? With Kate they can film 16 hours a day and crank out a cheap episode in 3 days. Feeling sick, Joel? Suck it up! Got a raging headache, Hannah? Get over it! It's just a "Hannah thing". Don't want cameras in your bedroom, Cara? Nobody cares! It is truly sickening.
Then there's Kate's statement--"Hope to see you soon!". She's hoping to get this stupid little court thing cleared up right away so she can get right back to filming the kids. The show must go on, right? If any of the kids don't like it, well, tough! They can deal with that when they're adults. Until then, she's in charge.
This is what those kids are living with.
Boys are far more sensitive and less adaptable than girls, jmo. A boy will internalize that maternal rejection and abandonment and have many issues throughout life.
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I have brought this up more than once here - the worst thing I ever saw on the show was Collin very carefully choosing a thoughtful & heartfelt gift for his mother & his mother reacting as if it was the most ridiculous thing she had ever seen. How does a child ever recover from that?
I'm thinking ODD too Tucker's mom. Treatment includes parental training. It's important for the parent to learn how to react (or not to react) to an oppositional kid. There's no way kate would be willing or able to do that
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Kate definitely has a pile of money stashed away somewhere. She survived almost 3 years of near-unemployment--who else can stay afloat that long with such enormous expenses? The only thing she understands on all this is money. She certainly doesn't understand Hannah's distress. She said to H that "We'll get you into therapy". Get Hannah into therapy, not Kate, and not the two of them (or even better, Hannah, Kate, and Jon). Kate, once again, thinks someone in her life needs to be "fixed", and now that person is Hannah.
The only thing Kate sees in all this is her bottom line. If this custody issue is the reason the last season was cut short, then those 5 lost episodes cost her more than $200K. And there will be legal fees on top of that. She doesn't feel distress over the kids' unhappiness. It's all about her bottom line. That is the only thing that hurts her. And that is the only reason she will fight to keep all the kids together. They are, to her, money in the bank.
I'm having a real problem getting my head around why Jon can't see Collin. He knows where Collin is, having been told so by a friend/witness. He has a court order which has been ignored. If he was my child I would camp on the doorstep of that "address", waving the court order in my hand until I was allowed to see him and know that he was safe and well. I would not be ignored.
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FlimsyFlamsy said... 88
I feel like the more I see of this woman, the worse I ideas I get. Now I wonder what she told the children about Collin. Did she turn them against him? Did she brainwash them into thinking C is evil/dangerous/a terrible sibling/not deserving of being in their family? Are they instructed to pretend he doesn't exist? Do they get punished if they mention his name? We suspected lots of things for years but to actually read that conversation between her and Hannah...I now think she's capable of anything.
Nick is still talking to people on the last IG photo. And his most recent post explains a lot, LOL.
hanan89999@nick_moy toxic masculinity and widespread, deeply ingrained misognysism is what fueling the resenmnet against Kate. She is demonstrating against all of societal stereotypes of what a woman, a mom, a wife should be. I come from a culture where mother is respected just after God Himself, and Kate is respected here.
nick_moy@hanan89999 and that's how it should be, I am fortunate my wife understands me and is behind me 1000% by understanding my need to stay at my 92 year old half blind and half deaf mom for the last 20 years, and knowing I am only 15 minutes away from home and come home 7 days a week for a few hours, bring home the groceries, take her to all her appointments etc.. Take her out for a nice meal a couple or three times a week so she does not need to bother to cook. Your mother should be the only person you love more than yourself..
Whether Collin is in a military school, boarding school, some kind of institution, how can any facility defy a court order? Something doesn't fit.
Sad But True (106)
In other words, nick_moy lives with "his" mother. That explains a lot!
Tucker's Mom said... 82
What I'm finding out about custody courts in America is very disheartening.
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I wouldn't lump the whole country in because of what's happening in Wyomissing. If there's a judge who's giving court orders that no one is following, that needs to be checked out. It seems to be that Kate doesn't follow court orders, some facility somewhere isn't, and Jon was encouraging Hannah to defy the judges ordered custody ruling.
Is one judge in charge of everything Gosselin? Maybe he should be evaluated re competency.
Even if Collin made some kind of request that he didn't want to see his father, hasn't Hannah done the same re her mother? A judge grants Collin's wish but not Hannah's. Did Jon do something bad to Collin but none of the other kids? How does that work? Something so bad that he's being kept from Collin, but allowed visitation of the others? But then there'd be no court order, which Jon has said there is.
I wouldn't lump the whole country in because of what's happening in Wyomissing. If there's a judge who's giving court orders that no one is following, that needs to be checked out. It seems to be that Kate doesn't follow court orders, some facility somewhere isn't, and Jon was encouraging Hannah to defy the judges ordered custody ruling.
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There is no doubt that family law court needs serious work. But I will say that in cases of extreme parental alienation, it is difficult for any court even a really good court to handle it. The thing with courts is that you assume that people will follow court orders and be cooperative as a baseline. Without that from a parental alienator then you've got one person playing the game by their rules and everybody else playing by the court's rules. It doesn't work. It is no surprise that some judges believe the only solution in such cases is to strip custody of the parental alienator and give custody to the parent being alienated.
Understandably, many judges feel that's not in the children's best interest, depending on the family.
Layla #108...this does explain a lot! Kate has some rather strange fans, lol. 20 years he's lived with his mommy but goes home a couple of times a week to keep the little wife happy. 20 years?! So I'm guessing his 5 million dollar home with 11 parking spaces is mommy's apt. building (or nursing home, assisted living ??) ha!
Is one judge in charge of everything Gosselin? Maybe he should be evaluated re competency.
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Yes. That's how it works. You don't get to bounce around the building with different judges unless a judge retires or moves to a different assignment.
The idea is you can't judge shop, and also that the judge gets to know the case and family well.
@Admin ,if it is Deanna that told Jon where he is then this is the big F you to Kate after she defended her on twitter only to be replace by Ronny.I honestly have no idea who the unknown person who told jon could be.Wasn't Ashley on the 13th episode?I would of thought she cares enough about the kids to tell Jon without Kate knowing.
So this Nick person lives with his mom, has lived with her for 20 years, and merely visits his wife? And she's fine with that? Explains a lot.
Ok, Norman Bates.
Your mother should be the only person you love more than yourself..
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That explains a lot. "Nick Moy" thinks those kids should love Kate and it's not important or necessary for a mother to love her kids more than herself.
I've never heard anything so ridiculous. You should love your children more than yourself! Any good parent feels that way.
It is no surprise that some judges believe the only solution in such cases is to strip custody of the parental alienator and give custody to the parent being alienated.
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That doesn't appear to be happening in the Gosselin case. Or perhaps the judge thinks Jon is the problem.
I still don't get how a facility of some sort can defy a court order, unless, of course, Collin isn't in any kind of facility, just living with someone else and everything Kate implied in the People interview was fabricated.
You have been insistent for months that he's in foster care and calling Jon a liar for claiming he doesn't know where the child is. Now your tune is changing because it's becoming even more obvious that you were wrong.
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Based on the facts we had at the time a foster placement made a lot of sense to me. Now that we have learned a lot more info this week, it doesn't make as much sense to me as it once did. I changed my mind in light of new and different information. What's the problem with that exactly? If I refused to change my mind you would call me stubborn and unreasonable. Sounds like I'm damned if I do or don't with you.
If he was my child I would camp on the doorstep of that "address", waving the court order in my hand until I was allowed to see him and know that he was safe and well. I would not be ignored.
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Waiving court order outside the doorstep? That doesn't mean you will get INSIDE to see him. Even if they don't "ignore" you that doesn't mean they will let you in.
Any advice for Jon on what exactly you would do next if they don't let you in?
Push past? Force your way in? Get arrested for trespassing? Maybe even assault if you have to push them out of your way? Then what? Spend the night in jail? Then what? How does that get Jon closer to seeing Collin?
That doesn't appear to be happening in the Gosselin case. Or perhaps the judge thinks Jon is the problem.
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Actually, it appears that's very much on the table when it comes to Hannah. The hearing hasn't happened yet.
But, only the most liberal progressive judges usually do this, as it's a new school of thought on how to handle it and it can take the bench decades to catch up with the latest research, trends, and psychological recommendations. It took a thousand years for judges to realize kids need their mothers, as usually fathers could easily get custody if they wanted it-- then after that shifted finally to the mothers, 50 more years to realize they need their fathers again, with some still not caught up.
Actually speaking of Deanna i looked up her twitter and it appears she's off private now and has deleted the tweets attacking Jon.She hasn't tweeted since August 16 in fact she rarely tweets,must be busy working and like Kate,twitter bored her.
Dmasy said... 86
If my son had been "placed and missing" for over a year, I would turn the earth upside down and shake it until the location was revealed.
Then I would take the fastest mode of transportation available to where he was living.
Nothing...nothing would seem too extreme for me to do!
She has a selfish, evil agenda and Jon needs to do everything he can to thwart her.
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Any suggestions?
Aside from turning the earth upside down and shaking Collin out of wherever he is being held, of course.
I've heard of cases where a parent denies the other parent custody for a long time, then when the parent finally gets around to the court, the alienator uses the argument that the child doesn't have a good bond with the parent and thus it's not in the child's best interest to see the dad. Could Kate had done that? Kept Collin away for years and when Jon finally got to demand to a judge that his visitation be respected, Kate used the time with no contact in her favour?
Susan 1956 I am interested in the story of Betty Broderick as well. I read through her wikipedia and read online about her case. Wow! that was something wasn't it? She has been through 3 times she could've made parole now but she refuses to admit she was wrong. I just want to tell her to let it go! admit you were wrong and try to show remorse. They are dead and she's the one locked up because she can't get over it.
I will have to get that book myself.
I am wondering if C is in a military school. Kate wanted a therapist to "fix" Jon when he didn't want to film, so maybe the thinks that military school and the structure and discipline it offers will "fix" any behavioral problems C has.
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IMO if it were something like this it would be more of a "boot camp" for "troubled boys" rather than a military school. In a military school he'd get to go home on vacations and holidays.
Maybe Hannah was so upset about going home with TFW because "We'll get you into therapy" is Katespeak for "I'll ship your ass out of here just like I did with Collin" and Hannah is smart enough to know it.
At this point I hope Jon does NOT read here. It must be hurtful for him to still read that he's obviously not doing all that he can to see Collin, or fight for custody of his kids.
He's called the cops on Kate. He got more custody or Hannah, even if it's just temporary. His attorney stated he's doing everything he legally can. He and his brother are using social media, have stated the family court is not being fair to Jon or his situation. Yet people are still implying that Jon isn't doing everything he can.
Attorney? Check!
Cops? Check!
Social Media? Check!
Family Court? Check!
If anyone has any other real suggestions I'm sure he would love to hear them.
nick_moy@hanan89999 and that's how it should be, I am fortunate my wife understands me and is behind me 1000% by understanding my need to stay at my 92 year old half blind and half deaf mom for the last 20 years, and knowing I am only 15 minutes away from home and come home 7 days a week for a few hours, bring home the groceries, take her to all her appointments etc.. Take her out for a nice meal a couple or three times a week so she does not need to bother to cook. Your mother should be the only person you love more than yourself..
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Is "he" living in the basement at his mom's house with Brad Pitt? LOL! The stories just get better and better!
CC (121) -- I really wish I had some excellent advice to give to Jon. If I knew him well enough, I would offer support and any ideas I had. (I did leave him a message on FB. Encouragement.)
I only know that I would not be able to sit by and allow days to accumulate without knowing how my son was doing. I would have to do something!
Those children have all my sympathy. They were born into a life of chaos and unreal circumstances. They needed stable parents with mature decision making skills. Seem as if the system, their parents and TLC have all failed to keep them safe.
I hope Jon is trying and finally has some power on his side.
Dmasy said... 127
CC (121) -- I really wish I had some excellent advice to give to Jon. If I knew him well enough, I would offer support and any ideas I had.
I only know that I would not be able to sit by and allow days to accumulate without knowing how my son was doing. I would have to do something!
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You did it again. LOL. I'm not picking on you, but it's very frustrating to read people stating they would "do something!" LIKE WHAT?!?!?!?!
You mention "any ideas I had." LIKE WHAT?!?!?
The hyperbole is very frustrating.
No offense. I think the "encouragement" is great, though.
I am fortunate my wife understands me and is behind me 1000% by understanding my need to stay at my 92 year old half blind and half deaf mom for the last 20 years
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If his real life persona is anything like his online persona, his wife is probably ecstatic that he is away so much. She isn't being "understanding", she's relieved he's not around so much.
IMO if it were something like this it would be more of a "boot camp" for "troubled boys" rather than a military school. In a military school he'd get to go home on vacations and holidays.
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I've seen some horror stories about those boot camps.
I hope that's not what happened, but, it would fit the scenario of being completely cut off from his family.
Maybe Collin was really dangerous and it was hidden from the public?
I don't know. I doubt it.
He seemed mostly very sweet.
We witnessed FAR more aggression from the girls.
CC -- I would have to know much more about Jon's circumstances to be able to offer SOUND advice. Maybe he has already tried, without success, some of the options I would suggest. Maybe we are only beginning to see the tip of his iceberg of actions.
I can speculate what I would do it I were in a similar situation.
I would raise the funds for my legal defense and legal options. I would beg, borrow, mortgage, and work multiple jobs. I would make sure I had a very competent attorney. Debt would not deter me. I would rally friends and relatives to mount a public campaign to get the details of an unfair situation broadcast. I would write letters to the editor and make friends with local TV personalities. I would enlist anyone I could to fight for my rights.
I would be a pain-in-the-ass-pest to and with anyone I thought would be able to promote my case. I would publicize the actions of a judge who was making "slanted" rulings. I think there is a saying to the effect, "Fear the man who has nothing to lose." (Jon has "celebrity" on his side. He should be using every scrap of that he can for attention.)
Short of strangling my ex or harming the other children, I would be relentless in my pursuit of my rights to see my son. I think if I happened to be in that desperate situation, I would be able to think of many more courses of action.
I don't think you are picking on me. I think you wanted hyperbole translated into solid suggestions. I tried.
I don't think C is at a boarding or military school - wouldn't he be home for Xmas/spring/summer breaks then? That doesn't seem to be the case. Unfortunately, it's probably an in-patient facility. That poor boy.
Also, the commenter on her instagram that states people don't like Kate due to toxic masculinity and misogyny, is so way off the mark it's funny. Toxic masculinity is the "bro" culture, in which males believe they are the superior sex. They, and misogynists, would most surely feel that children belong with the mother, as women should have more traditional roles. Dolt.
KIAT (#129) my question is, who takes care of Nick's half blind, half deaf mother when he trots off to the "Dominion" Republic to volunteer, and/or visit his son?
I don't believe a syllable of any of her posts.
GollyGee said... 95
Flimsy, calling her evil is too much of a lightweight word for her. She is beyond evil. I am struggling to find a word that actually fits her rare, kind of almost unprecedented behavior between a mother and her children.
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TFW is diabolical.
Dmasy, it's good to hear that your son and his girlfriend are hanging in there. I'm hoping and praying for the best for everyone affected by this terrible storm, including Kylie and any other 15 Minutes posters and/or their family and friends. The footage on television is just heartbreaking and makes me feel so helpless.
I know from personal experience that this organization does wonderful work and will be there on the ground with many volunteers helping out for many months to come:
https://www.samaritanspurse.org/disaster/hurricane-harvey/
(Admin I hope it's okay to post that link)
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GollyGee said... 95
Flimsy, calling her evil is too much of a lightweight word for her. She is beyond evil. I am struggling to find a word that actually fits her rare, kind of almost unprecedented behavior between a mother and her children.
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TFW is diabolical.
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Getting close!
Well, at least Jon's keeping the story alive. And good for him. K8's had it all her way in the press for far too long.
http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/08/28/jon-gosselin-deadbeat-dad-custody-battle-kate-kids/
Sad but True...thank you for that link.
Susan 1956 said...I'm still reading Until The Twelfth of Never, the book about the case of Dan and Betty Broderick. Just like Betty, Khate has now been "presented with her new reality" but it remains to be seen what she will do with it.
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Excellent book. Well-researched and well-written.
Putting aside for the moment that Jon reportedly has a recent court order allowing him to visit C but it's being ignored, I think the main problem goes all the way back to their initial divorce and custody settlement. WHY in the world did Jon and his attorney ever agree all those years ago to relinquish LEGAL custody to TFW?? And, how in the world did a judge ever think that was in the best interests of the children?
From what I've read, they have always shared physical custody, (even though the schedule hasn't ever been kept, (thanks to TFW), but TFW has had sole LEGAL custody from the very beginning. That's very unusual, as far as I know. There are cases where one parent has a criminal record, including drug use, but still has joint legal custody, i.e. the right to jointly make decisions concerning the children as far as their education, health, religious practices, etc.
I realize that TLC and their highly paid attorneys were involved back then and went to bat for TFW and that they wanted TFW to have sole legal custody so that she could make all decisions regarding filming the show. However, I still find it very unusual that Jon gave up joint legal custody back then, allowing TFW to make all decisions regarding the kids, and to even keep important information from him, leading all the way up to the issues with C and his being removed from the home.
In all their various legal disputes over the years, I wonder whether Jon ever sought to modify the legal custody to joint legal custody. I know he has sought more physical custody, but I think a change to the LEGAL custody is actually more important and long, long overdo.
I hope Jon's current legal action is seeking not just a change to the physical custody, but also an order that there is finally JOINT LEGAL CUSTODY. There is absolutely no reason at this point in time for Jon not to have at least joint legal custody. The days of TFW being "in charge" have to finally end whether she likes it or not. She's gotten away with this for far too long.
GollyGee said... 95
Flimsy, calling her evil is too much of a lightweight word for her. She is beyond evil. I am struggling to find a word that actually fits her rare, kind of almost unprecedented behavior between a mother and her children.
GollyGee said... 95
Flimsy, calling her evil is too much of a lightweight word for her. She is beyond evil. I am struggling to find a word that actually fits her rare, kind of almost unprecedented behavior between a mother and her children.
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She is definitely a callous person.
callous---make insensitive; deaden feelings or morals
A callous person is insensitive or emotionally hardened.
Putting aside for the moment that Jon reportedly has a recent court order allowing him to visit C but it's being ignored
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Jon didn't say he had a court order allowing him to visit Collin. He said he had an order that gave him the right to know where Collin was, and that is what was ignored. This is what was posted on his FB page. He was asked this question:
"Do you know where he is at??"
Then Jon replied:
"Yes thru a witness, but Kate has never told me neither has the court and they were supposed to and I have an order and it was ignored".
He only said that he had an order that he was to be informed of where Collin was and both the court and Kate ignored it.
He never mentioned visiting Collin or that he had an order to do so.
Former Lurker said... 140
Putting aside for the moment that Jon reportedly has a recent court order allowing him to visit C but it's being ignored, I think the main problem goes all the way back to their initial divorce and custody settlement. WHY in the world did Jon and his attorney ever agree all those years ago to relinquish LEGAL custody to TFW?? And, how in the world did a judge ever think that was in the best interests of the children?
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That right there is the $60M question.
I realize that TLC and their highly paid attorneys were involved back then and went to bat for TFW and that they wanted TFW to have sole legal custody so that she could make all decisions regarding filming the show. However, I still find it very unusual that Jon gave up joint legal custody back then, allowing TFW to make all decisions regarding the kids, and to even keep important information from him, leading all the way up to the issues with C and his being removed from the home.
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I've always assumed this was an unforced error on Jon's part.
Kate is a twit said... 142
......He only said that he had an order that he was to be informed of where Collin was and both the court and Kate ignored it.
He never mentioned visiting Collin or that he had an order to do so.
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Oops, sorry for that mistake. Thanks for the clarification. I think I read the comments here too quickly and was hopeful that Jon had an order allowing him to finally see his son. It's really unbelievable that they've been kept apart for this long.
I misunderstood as well. I thought the court order was to allow Jon to see Collin and that he was not able to have that enforced. I also thought that it was not being enforced because Collin was not located in the same jurisdiction in which the order was issued.
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From tha above article:
The couple’s latest custody troubles have involved Hannah, as she reportedly no longer wants to live with her mother anymore.
That's the first I've read that H doesn't want to live there at all...explicitly at least
Well, I don't know why Jon couldn't see Collin- what are the circumstances that keeping a parent away from a child is in C's best interest- I think Jon should press for visitation.
I haven't commented here for a long time, but I've been reading here from time to time. This whole situation with C and now with H is heartbreaking and worrisome. I think KIAT has the correct interpretation -- Jon has a court order which allows him to know where C is but not to visit him. What if -- the courts have ordered that all family contact with C be severed? What if TFMJG pushed him to his breaking point and he actually did injure someone or himself? Or what if she claimed she couldn't control him and she was afraid for her safety and for the other kids (sob, sob, dab, dab, eye poke)? Jon hadn't seen him for over a year at that point, so he couldn't refute her claims. I spent most of my career working in the field of eligibility for disability benefits. I reviewed many SSID claims involving these lost children, and I've seen family ties severed by the courts. Many times it was justified, but there were times when one or both parents flat out lied. Is this a possibility in C's case? Admin? As far as H is concerned, I'm just praying that she gets to live with her daddy. Or, barring that, gets to spend much more time with him and that, eventually, so will the other kids.
I'm getting frustrated. I'm on FB, but I can't find/view Mark's post. I've found several Mark Gosselins, but not the right one. The link posted here gets me "page doesn't exist". Can someone please post it here, or at least a clickable link? Thanks.
Those of you in Texas, stay safe. It really seems odd how this storm is situated. I have a good friend who lives just South of the Austin area. She says they've had a lot of rain -- for them -- but it's been a slow, steady soaking rain. Things are soggy but not flooding. Take care, everyone. Prayers are with you.
callous---make insensitive; deaden feelings or morals
A callous person is insensitive or emotionally hardened.
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Is that pretty much the same as cold-hearted biotch?
Readerlady. Hello to you. Thank you for your thoughtful words.
Readerlady, this is where I found him.
https://www.facebook.com/Mark06261980
callous---make insensitive; deaden feelings or morals
A callous person is insensitive or emotionally hardened.
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This definition fits TFW even better:
cal·lous
adjective
showing or having an insensitive and cruel disregard for others.
"his callous comments about the murder made me shiver"
synonyms: heartless, unfeeling, uncaring, cold, cold-hearted, hard, as hard as nails, hard-hearted, insensitive, lacking compassion, hard-bitten, hard-nosed, hard-edged, unsympathetic
"his callous disregard for other people's feelings"
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I would say that it's abundantly clear that TFW has an insensitive and cruel disregard for her and Jon's children.
Readerlady (#149), nice to see you posting. I think you had retreated under the veranda with Jolie Jacquelyn at some point, but I'm glad you stopped by.
Tucker's Mom a lot of kids are kidnapped and ignored by the courts because it's a parent that does it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/most-kidnapped-children-are-taken-by-a-parent-that-doesnt-mean-theyre-safe/2017/07/21/8340cefe-6bc9-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html?utm_term=.cae41c247e1a
Former Lurker said... 140
Putting aside for the moment that Jon reportedly has a recent court order allowing him to visit C but it's being ignored, I think the main problem goes all the way back to their initial divorce and custody settlement. WHY in the world did Jon and his attorney ever agree all those years ago to relinquish LEGAL custody to TFW?? And, how in the world did a judge ever think that was in the best interests of the children?
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I seem to recall seeing a video of Jon back at the time saying something like "If she wants legal custody, that's fine. As long as I get to see my kids." It seems like he was not getting quality legal advice.
I seem to recall seeing a video of Jon back at the time saying something like "If she wants legal custody, that's fine. As long as I get to see my kids." It seems like he was not getting quality legal advice.
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That would be unimaginably bad legal advice. I can't see any lawyer, even one who doesn't specialize in family law, not explaining the difference between physical custody and legal custody. It's very rare to lose or give up legal custody. Even alcoholics and drug addicts have been awarded joint LEGAL custody while not having physical custody.
Welp. Tomorrow's Tuesday
I'm sure Jon never thought kate would abuse legal custody the way she has. My ex and I co-parented fine until he got remarried and then his narcissist wife started interfering and i had to clarify our custody order to make it very specific because the wife kept pushing the envelope and engaging in parental alienation against me. But YES he needs to get shared legal custody.
WHY in the world did Jon and his attorney ever agree all those years ago to relinquish LEGAL custody to TFW?? And, how in the world did a judge ever think that was in the best interests of the children?
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Could it be that he was so anxious to get out of that mess and away from her that he agreed to anything? I would think that, after having lived with that shrew, he knew of what she was capable if he put up a fight and the kids would suffer her wrath. Ironically, that's exactly what transpired.
He likely gave her legal to try to calm her down extend an olive branch and try to stabilize her by being benevolent. At the time he was in agreement with theyre schooling and medical issues anyway so what was they're to bicker over unnecessarily? It didn't work out. I assume it was on his attorney's advice but maybe it was his idea. Family law attorneys don't have a crystal ball and can't offer guarantees. They can only give the best advice they know given what they know. They are human and sometimes call it wrong. No one predicted Kate would go this far so we can't have expected Jon and his team to have.
Readerlady - Mark Gosselin (Gozy)
At the time he was in agreement with theyre schooling and medical issues anyway so what was they're to bicker over unnecessarily?
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That's probably true, but the major red flag at that time was that TFW wanted to continue filming the kids no matter what. If I recall correctly, Jon wanted the show to end at that time, without the kids having to go through the divorce on national television. Then why in the world give her sole legal custody so she could do whatever she wanted and film the hell out of the kids, (which she sure did)?
Also, if his attorney knew that his main objective at the time was to protect the kids and keep them off television, then I would think he/she would strongly advise that he needed to maintain joint legal custody. That would be the only way to prevent TFW from unilaterally signing contracts with TLC and committing the kids to extensive filming, (and traveling and missing school time for it).
I'm not giving Jon a hard time at all. I'm just wondering why that biotch ever was given sole legal custody. And, even is that was done at the time, it's a shame that it hasn't been changed in all these years since. There's more than enough evidence that the kids' best interests were not served by TFW having sole legal custody. Hopefully that will end soon.
That's probably true, but the major red flag at that time was that TFW wanted to continue filming the kids no matter what. If I recall correctly, Jon wanted the show to end at that time, without the kids having to go through the divorce on national television. Then why in the world give her sole legal custody so she could do whatever she wanted and film the hell out of the kids, (which she sure did)?
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But she was still permitted to film even when Jon had legal custody, so what's the difference?
Remember, joint legal doesn't mean you get your way. It just means you have to sign off too, and if you can't agree, it's not that you have VETO power, but rather, a judge will decide. One could conceivably have joint legal custody while never actually getting anything they want out of the situation.
At the time he was in agreement with theyre schooling and medical issues anyway so what was they're to bicker over unnecessarily?
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With what medical issues was he fine?
That would be unimaginably bad legal advice. I can't see any lawyer, even one who doesn't specialize in family law, not explaining the difference between physical custody and legal custody. It's very rare to lose or give up legal custody. Even alcoholics and drug addicts have been awarded joint LEGAL custody while not having physical custody.
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There are rare situations where it makes sense to play that card. I think it's risky, but I can envision situations where a lawyer would consider this a good idea. Family law situations can be so complicated, and a lot of factors, many we probably don't even know about, go into advice.
With what medical issues was he fine?
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I'm just assuming he did not have a beef about their medical issues, as I'd never heard him complain around that time about taking issue with any of it.
I don't think Jon was really aware at the time of the divorce how much influence TLC was bringing to bear on Kate's side, and against him. He was probably diverted with the case they were bringing against him, and the show had stopped filming. It looked like he was going to have plenty of money-making opportunities and so wasn't too worried about the huge amount of support he got boxed into. He probably believed that with everything that had gone down, TLC would not be interested in bringing the show back in any format, so in his view the question of filming the kids was moot. Little did he know. I think he was well and truly set up by K8 and her enablers.
I think what people need to realize is the component of family court that makes it different than almost every other court except child abuse court is that the children are directly involved and will be directly affected by everything you decide. It's one thing to have a criminal case and put a person who happens to be a parent in jail. But when you're talking about a judge deciding how much time children will spend with a parent, how much money a parent will give the custodial parent to spend, what a child will be allowed to do or not do if the parents don't agree, and all this trying to take into account the wishes and best interest of children with underdeveloped emotions and intelligence, it gets so complicated. That's why I'm a big fan of minors' counsels to act as an advisor to a judge. Now you add into the mix a parent with mental health issues, and you've got a whole other component you're trying to figure out.
The problem is, even if a mother is violating a court order, any judge needs to think carefully about how to handle it. Throw her in jail and the children are devastated or blame their father. Fine her and maybe the children won't eat or will have to drop out of their private school. You have this added component of the children when trying to make sure your orders are effective, and Kate has figured this out and used it to her extreme and pathological advantage. She doesn't just exploit her kids, she's exploited the legal system too. Most people even knowing they could run the show if they WANTED to at family law court don't do so out of pure ethics, but Kate doesn't have ethics.
Absolutely, 100%, family court has problems and can be really corrupt and unfair. But not every case is handled unfairly. Some are handled very well and fairly actually. And some situations are so complex even the best judge in the world might not call the situation correctly or do the right thing. Hindsight is always 20-20.
In my view, if you are an attorney, judge, or GAL practicing with children and you're not sometimes scratching your head on difficult cases wringing your hands wondering what is the best thing to do, what is the best advice I can give given these facts, how do we give this family orders that are best for them? Then you're doing something wrong.
Hmm, looks like K8 has shut down the "visitor post" section of her personal FB page. I wonder if any of her kids had access. Many of the recent articles about custody ended up there, along with hundreds of comments, a large portion of which were negative.
"I think he was well and truly set up by K8 and her enablers."
At the time of the divorce, Kate's show was highly rated. There was no way TLC or Kate was going to stop the show. It came down to money, not children's feelings. Jon couldn't fight against a huge company like TLC. He couldn't have foreseen how vindictive and vengeful Kate would be. I know Jon has made mistakes, but for a long time, he was fighting a losing battle.
Finally home after spending most of the day with the grandbabies and trying to catch up on posts.
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Virginia M said... 123
Susan 1956 I am interested in the story of Betty Broderick as well. I read through her wikipedia and read online about her case. Wow! that was something wasn't it? She has been through 3 times she could've made parole now but she refuses to admit she was wrong. I just want to tell her to let it go! admit you were wrong and try to show remorse. They are dead and she's the one locked up because she can't get over it.
I will have to get that book myself.
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It was well worth the trouble to get it thru interlibrary loan. The author didn't try to make saints out of Dan and Linda, but SPOILER ALERT not sure I believe the two people who came forward at the time of the 2nd trial saying Dan had talked about hiring someone to kill Betty. I did find part of one of her parole hearings online. The kids were divided down the middle as to whether she should be granted parole--oldest girl and oldest boy said no, youngest girl and youngest boy said yes. Dan's brother and Linda's family member said no. I think she's there for the rest of her life.
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Pants on Fire said... 139
Susan 1956 said...I'm still reading Until The Twelfth of Never, the book about the case of Dan and Betty Broderick. Just like Betty, Khate has now been "presented with her new reality" but it remains to be seen what she will do with it.
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Excellent book. Well-researched and well-written.
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Pants on Fire . . . I totally agree. Now it's on to Hell Hath No Fury by Bryna Taubman
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Somewhere upthread--I can't find it--someone mentioned Khate told someone "hope to see you soon." Was that on IG or FB? Link?
TFW has a picture on her personal FB page and it is of all the kids and her on the beach. I believe this is about 2 years old. Collin is there. The kids all look much younger than they do now. She is such a gas lighter!
People think he is back at home now.
xxxxx Why don't you uncage your poor dog you nasty bitch.
xxxxx People like the both of you don't deserve Facebook. if you can't be nice and an ADULT about things, why even say anything?
Michelle, why does it matter if it was in the crate? Honestly I don't know what you're talking about or when it was in the crate. It could be bed time. I know people who leave their dogs in a crate when they go to bed.
You have no room to judge until you have 8 kids. Simple as that. I'm sure it's more hectic than what we just see on camera. It's gotta be CRAZY.
xxxxx You my dear are crazy. And whats beats that is u know it, If I was John I would take u to court and get my kids. U drove him away i watched the show from the beginning, He had it all together and little by little u tore him into pieces, I wish I had the money to pay for his lawyer, U make me sick.
xxxxx Why is ur dog in the crate when ur home? 😡 people like u don't deserve a dog.
xxxxx Just watched episode on vacay doing parasailing. You realize you act like bipolar individual. Drama queen . . cheer them give them snacks. It is a better image for you.
She posted a link of a Local mother of quintuplets recieved a new liver.
Kate wrote, This is such AMAZING (and relieving!) news!!!
Another gas lighting moment.
Jill and Derick Dillard (Duggar) are once again asking their fans to send them money for their "missionary" work. This time they are asking fans to donate $6500 dollars so he can attend a missionary school at his church. They solicited donations for the entire time they were in South America. This is just too much.
Sad but true said... 170
Hmm, looks like K8 has shut down the "visitor post" section of her personal FB page. I wonder if any of her kids had access. Many of the recent articles about custody ended up there, along with hundreds of comments, a large portion of which were negative.
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What page are you looking at? Can you provide a link? I looked at the verified Kate Gosselin page and the Irene Katie page and neither of them have hundreds of comments. The verified account only has a few comments.
These are the 2 pages I'm looking at:
https://www.facebook.com/kateplusmy8/
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100016116705662
Some people just keep on grifting. *This was not the original source that came across my FB feed.
https://10ztalk.com/2017/08/27/jill-duggar-and-derick-dillard-anger-fans-by-asking-for-donations/
Sad But True what is Kate's personal FB page? I've seen two verified (one the TLC page). Is it one of them.
Hello everyone. So sorry once again for the radio silence. I hit a couple of unforseen bumps in the road here BMC but that story can wait. More importantly, Dmasy, kylie and all else who might be experiencing the terrible impact of Harvey, I hope you will be safe and well. The news reports and videos of the devastion are frightening.
And again a genuine thank you to all who wrote me such caring thoughts. I am still so overwhelmed by your kindness and feeling very undeserving of them at this moment for not being able to get back here to answer each one of you.
So I just took the cook's tour of the goings-on here the past couple of weeks to find that TFW's house of cards is coming down now that everyone in the compound has surpassed her 12-year-old mentality. It was bound to happen and Hannah is only the beginning. I noticed TheLovingCaring network is taking the same route they took with mama June when when things started going south with that family. I wonder if they gave Kate the ole "don't call us we'll call you" line when they handed her her pink slip. Did she think they wouldn't?
(I THINK, at least I hope I'm home to stay now, so the doors are getting locked and I'm staying put to catch up this time.)
TFW has a picture on her personal FB page and it is of all the kids and her on the beach. I believe this is about 2 years old. Collin is there. The kids all look much younger than they do now. She is such a gas lighter!
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She knows half her fans can't recognize a pic as being two years old, so it's worth it to try to fool them.
TFW has a picture on her personal FB page and it is of all the kids and her on the beach. I believe this is about 2 years old.
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Actually, the picture is 3 years old. It's from when they went to Maine. That episode aired in Jan. 2015, so it was filmed the summer of 2014. I found the episode on Youtube, and they're wearing the same suits in the episode as they are in the picture.
AuntieAnn! There will be a collective sigh of relief once the regulars see that you've posted again and that you are ok... a big 'Welcome Back'!
http://hollywoodlife.com/2017/08/23/kate-gosselin-heart-rocked-custody-battle-jon-fight/
From a 'source close to the Gosselins' - “Kate feels floored now that Jon has finally created some stability in his life. And now, he feels he can come in and take over with shared custody. It is not fair to Kate and she feels it is not healthy for the children, who have a very regular routine with their mother. She has the children on a regular schedule, is the disciplinarian and has given the kids everything Jon hasn’t. If Jon thinks he can swoop in and take over after being so irregular for several years, well, Kate is not going to let that happen without a fight,” our source adds.
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Why does Kate feel "floored" by Jon having stability? Since when does shared custody mean Jon swooping in & taking over? How is sharing custody "not fair to Kate"? Why is Kate making custody a competition she will fight to win? Why does every damn thing have to be about Kate?
Lots of professions involve complex decision-making. It doesn't mean that there aren't people in those professions who are rendering poor decisions. Why can't you acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, a fellow attorney gave poor advice? You have no problem talking about bad judges, but heaven forbid anyone dares to question the decisions of an attorney.
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It may of been bad advice, I don't really know. People were asking why an attorney would advise anyone to do that, and I was explaining how it's possible they might. There must've been some reason for it, whether or not it was a good move in light of those reasons is a separate issue. Attorneys don't usually tell their clients to do things that are bad for their case. It's not good for your retention. I think more than likely, the attorney had no idea the extent of Kate's mental illness and was making a risky defuse move that might have worked wonders on someone other than Kate. But since no one realized how far she would take this at the time one can hardly blame them for that. At the end of the day we have no idea if Jon was even acting on advice.
KIAT, this is the page I was looking at:
https://www.facebook.com/kateplusmy8/posts_to_page/
Although this morning, the visitor post column seems to have returned. That's where all the comments are.
Auntie Ann...good to have you back! Sending good thoughts that you're now on a good path.
Followed the link above to the K+8 FB (first time ever visiting that page) and scrolled through the pictures. Two I've never seen before stuck out. One from when they were little, with H and C sitting next to each other and one just with H and C. Hope they'll get to sit like that by each other someday again, sooner rather than later.
https://www.facebook.com/KatePlusEight/photos/a.10150120159530678.279509.33660480677/10152640526815678/?type=3&theater
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https://www.facebook.com/KatePlusEight/photos/a.10150120159530678.279509.33660480677/10152174616545678/?type=3&theater
You're a poor example of a family lawyer if you think advising clients to give up parental rights and encouraging their children to obstruct justice is the 'right' attorney decision to make.
Stupid bitch.
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What is your evidence Jon's attorney gave advice to "encourage" Jon to support Hannah in not going with Kate? I missed that. And I never said anything about that being good or bad advice, so your outrage is misplaced. For the record it's always good advice to instruct a client to follow court orders and in fact you must, as anything else is unethical. If a client chooses to do their own thing, as you should realize they often do, that's up to them.
As for an attorney recommending one give up legal custody, you've obviously never represented someone battling a parental alienator where delusion and deflation of the other side is the priority. I have said all along it's a RISKY move, and that I don't know whether it was good or bad advice, but not necessarily has to be bad, but it depends on all the facts, which WE DON'T HAVE. Nothing is permanent in family law court anyway. You can always ask for a change in court order. If something you tried to fix the situation didn't work, you can go back again and ask for a modification, as Jon is doing here. In any case, what is your evidence an attorney recommended this anyway? You're fighting over something we have no proof even happened in the first place, lol.
Lots of professions involve complex decision-making. It doesn't mean that there aren't people in those professions who are rendering poor decisions. Why can't you acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, a fellow attorney gave poor advice?
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I said about three times it may or may not have been good advice, or whether such advice was even given out at all, so I don't know why you consider that not "acknowledging it."
Thank you, Kiat!
She thinks she is soooo smooth trying to fool the flock with older pictures.
She's rougher than a corn cob.
We know she de-ages, but the kids de-age too?
encouraging their children to obstruct justice
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Obstruct justice?!?!? What an ass.
Kate was the one obstructing justice. She tried to take Hannah when Jon had custody. After the police came Hannah went home with JON. Not Kate! That's justice.
Jon was encouraging Hannah to fight FOR justice. She didn't have to go with her abusive mother that time.
I guess Kate fans want the kids to just accept the abuse and not stick up for themselves. No wonder they support Kate getting rid of Collin. He most likely stood up to his mother's abuse, and the fans consider that "obstruction of justice."
encouraging their children to obstruct justice
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Obstruct justice?!?!? What an ass.
Kate was the one obstructing justice. She tried to take Hannah when Jon had custody. After the police came Hannah went home with JON. Not Kate! That's justice.
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Kate has been in violation of court orders for years by not ensuring all eight of the children on her custody time attended their custody time with their father when her custody time was over. Give me a break, the children were teeny tiny when this all started. The little ones were still in car seats!! Don't tell me she can't put them in the big blue bus and cart them over to the pick up/drop off location at the end of the driveway and be done with it.
But my god when a child is in agony not wanting to return to her mother to the point of being abused by her by having her arm yanked so hard she was hospitalized, it's "obstruction of justice."
Oh the hypocrisy.
Rainbirdie and Mel, thank you. It's good to be back :)It's starting to feel like deja vu all over again with this recent Gosselin schitztorm. None of it surprises me though. All a person has to do is go back and watch the clip of the kids in the BBB a few years ago when Jon dropped off the kids in the driveway. The tears and howling from the van was heartbreaking. Clearly this custody exchange has been an ongoing battle for years.
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encouraging their children to obstruct justice
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Obstruct justice?!?!? What an ass.
Kate was the one obstructing justice. She tried to take Hannah when Jon had custody. After the police came Hannah went home with JON. Not Kate! That's justice.
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Is this the incident that lasted 3 hours and the cop was there and there's video? I thought it had been established that it was Kate's week.
When they divorced, Jon wasn't up for any father of the year award and often wasn't in town. I don't find it odd that Kate got legal custody under those circumstances.
Circumstances have changed. Jon lives nearby and has settled down after his run for freedom. The children are older. I hope there is a change in the custody agreement. Kate probably won't abide by it, but I'd like to see Jon with some legal standing.
And ... who says I have my kids on a "schedule" past the age of 3? Is she still making them sit in their highchairs and take 2 hour naps every day? Egads! that woman ..
Hoosier Girl
"Stupid B*tch" - The sheep are HANGRY. Who was supposed to feed them today?
Hoosier Girl
Susan 1956 (172)
She tweeted it. After the statement from TLC came out, Milo was begging Kate for her "usual tease" about another season. Kate responded with "hope to see you again soon".
There was another tweet from during the last show (on the 24th) where someone asked her why the season was so short and if they would have a premiere in the fall and Kate responded "not sure and I hope!"
I was looking back at the sightings of Kate and the kids in NC in July and someone spotted Kate and 6 of the kids. Someone else (besides C) was not there. I definitely think Hannah was not there. I don't know how she/Jon was able to make that happen, but only 6 were seen and only 4 of the tups were shown in the picture Kate posted of them in the water. Do we dare hope that someone is finally listening to Hannah's wishes and taking action on her behalf (legally)? Was this trip meant to be filmed and TLC refused to film with another of the kids missing? It makes me hope that someone blocked H being filmed against her wishes, which may be why TLC brought the season to a halt after only 3 episodes. Let's hope this becomes permanent! H told Jon two years ago that she didn't want to film. Finally someone may be listening to her.
If it was Kate's week on the 15th, then it would have been Jon's week on the 22nd. That is, if they are alternating weeks (which it sounds like they are). So why was there an altercation about letting Jon take Hannah on the 22nd? Kate pitched a fit about taking H when it was her time, but then turned around and tried to keep her when it was Jon's time. You can't have it both ways. It was H who refused to go with Kate on the 15th. Jon drove to the drop-off point like he was supposed to, and he did not physically interfere with the hand-off. Also--even with alternating weeks (a lot more time with Jon), Hannah still doesn't want to be with Kate for Kate's custody weeks. She wants to stay with her dad.
Some things have definitely been changed. If J&K now have alternating weeks with Hannah, then that is a huge change from Jon only seeing her on Tuesdays and every other weekend. If it was Hannah who was not in NC with the rest of the family, that is a huge change, too. I'm sure that if H wanted to go on vacation with the rest of the kids Jon would have allowed her to go. That was back in early July, before the GAL was appointed for H.
Someone (judge?) is finally listening to Hannah and thinking of her wishes and her well-being. Finally.
Confused,
I don't know which incident was which, but I know Jon said on his FB that he called the cops because it was his custody time.
Where is Deanna? She didn't end up in Schmoop's black hole now too did she?
Confused,
I don't recall an incident where Jon tried to take Hannah when it was not his custody. Only one time when there was confusion as to the custody order, but Hannah still went home with Jon.
I think in the other incident Jon had custody also. At the dentist office.
I don't have the time to look into the articles today.
I think Jon has the kids EVERY Tuesday and every other weekend.
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